ideas-feedback-discussion

[clear stump]

200

Maths is mathing

[cobalt horizon]

I've r5 on all ancestors, my luck has averaged out. Some has been good, some bad.

[runic tartan]

I also did 16k tickets on cliffbreaker and got cells far below adverage, like 13% or some

[clear stump]

Either way, you need to be doing a lot more in order for it to even out properly to the posted odds

[runic tartan]

and did 6k in lamp of choice and got 8 lamp of choice cells and 1 lamp of choice egg

[cobalt horizon]

Again, rng. Would you rather there be a fixed cost?

[runic tartan]

Wym fixed cost

[cobalt horizon]

x tickets gives y cells

[runic tartan]

yep

[hallow flame]

As long as it was fair and not just a rip off, I think everyone would prefer that lol

But since it’s ML, it would definitely be a rip off

[rich ingot]

or they could just bring back guarantee egg after 50 pulls lol

they made a solution but then ditched it immediately after 1 update

[clear stump]

I'd much prefer a fixed Egg per 50/70/100 summons lol

[hollow vortex]

A exteam mate got 4k kirk cells and not a single egg

[runic tartan]

for me it was after 75 summons and thats how I got xandrite, it took 75 summons until it finally gave me xandrite egg 😭

[clear stump]

@past moat , which mons were on 2 day paths? I've looked at all calendars from this year and I can't see any Historia mons in the two-day mazes this year to date, unless I've missed one?

Seems they're all Alpine so far

Also worth noting the Historia mons are available in events such as BH, time-limited Lineages, general breeding events, wouldn't surprise me if their cells have been offered in MW.

[honest oriole]

To add on to that, mythics are definitely still getting used even in Olympus teams. Most teams have charm, red eye Roger, x-mess, lumoona to name a few. Historia monsters are still very useful and relevant

[cobalt horizon]

@opaque stump what's the feedback?

[opaque stump]

there's leagues up to Olympus, right? well, why not above it? makes the game more fun, if you can introduce a new league yk

[cobalt horizon]

But why more? And you need to included the reason(s) in feedback post. How would more leagues make it more fun?

It's feedback channel, not a suggestions channel.

[clear stump]

@normal prawn , it's more than likely dealt with on a case-by-case basis, but I've had my name amended on the grounds of removing my surname from my IGN. This is going back to 2021, but I would think if you plea that it's personal, identifying, sensitive data (ie context of GDPR) then they're less likely to refuse? Just my two pence

[leaden gate]

@amber hatch also add for the tickets stayed as much as now pls

[rich ingot]

Can't have the best thing of both worlds

[lean kelp]

Bruh you can't even post images in feedback anymore

Censorship smh

Or here

Wow

Inb4 SP take my feedback and lower the gacha drops down to 25 so that the 25 cell reward now becomes "useful" and not useless in every way

[clear stump]

I thought Historia was 10th era? Feral 11, Conspiracy 12?

That's my only gripe 🙃😂

[cobalt horizon]

No, it's 13th

[clear stump]

Wait what

I can't count

[hallow flame]

Why do y’all come here to argue about semantics of every feedback when you know full well what people are complaining or giving feedback about

[clear stump]

Why does that make you unhappu

[lean kelp]

you must be leaving out OG

either that or forgetting one of the middle irrelevant ones like Alpine

[clear stump]

Abyssal

[visual ledge]

@lofty night think the amount of gems you gotta spend to reach floor 30 in ticket cave not just the amount of ticket

[lofty night]

well for me in ticket caves that ugly sewer looking thing dont even appear as much as in ticket caves

i have successful runs with only 2 or 7 gems, multiple times

never pass 50, unless im super close to the end

[visual ledge]

your just lucky

old cave is easier and cheaper way to get ticket

[lofty night]

and generally if you do get luck on end pot you get way more ticket i think around 4k without gold chest, to me way better than r3

[lofty night]

yea difference preference for everyone, so its just better for people to pick

[visual ledge]

yeah

[hallow flame]

@lean kelp they listened to you and gave us 25 alpine rank up resource 💀🙏

[cobalt horizon]

@past moat please check DMs

[thick thunder]

☠️

[normal prawn]

[hollow vortex]

Pierce

[opaque stump]

hmm, okay

[clever yacht]

Stop complaining about the cave, change to a new cave, you complain, give it back and you complain again, what do you want in the end?

[leaden gate]

Players dont like new cave but Players also dont like that they made cave luck even worse

[clever yacht]

Still same as b4, And if it does decrease, it's still the mechanism you guy want

The ticket only cave gives you a solid amount of tickets on the upper floors and the 30th floor, but you don't like it either

[leaden gate]

Recently too much of empty bonus room way more than before, anyway we need those bonus room a guarantee tickets

[clever yacht]

Oke then halve the ticket amount

[rich ingot]

delete the cave

if no one has it then there will be no complaints

[clever yacht]

Then ancestor become p2w stuff again

[weak bridge]

it would be awesome if the devs decided to introduce a new creative team to come up w new ways to innovate the game

get rid of a gambling feature in a kids game yk

[livid cave]

This is so real

The game feels so stale with so little experimentation

Give new things a shot without betas, so feedback can be fast, and things can shift and move again. The game isn't gonna get any bigger of a playerbase if it does the same thing over and over. It'll just slowly bleed them out

[visual ledge]

they're called ancestor for a reason so they should be competing against each other instead of getting powercreep. Thats just so braindead

old ancestors are literally almost useless because of this powercreeping mechanic

more different ancestors in pvp instead of b2b same ancestors

having to face b2b same ancestor is so lame and boring which cause multiplayer becoming dead and forgotten

[rich ingot]

i can't even tell if you're agreeing with them or not

[clear stump]

i still think a good way to mitigate powercreep is bring back Buffed Island, make it relevant to current era only mons who get strongest boost, then previous era gets slightly lower boost, to the point there shouldn't be a totally massive difference between 5 eras ago and this without the temp buff

[livid cave]

I feel like ancestors as a whole need their stats to at least kinda match

Like griffania is way weaker now as a brute force attacker, so what's the point of going for her over say astrum?

Ancestors should probably be an exception in terms of stat boosts and should be adjusted to match the current era imo. It seems strange to me that a regular mythic now has better stats than a majority of ancestors.

i personally believe in skills > stats for all monsters mythics included, but i understand that can be unreasonable.

Like If Griff had the same stats as Astrum, youd have to weigh if anti from astrum is better than griffania's evasion and pierce.

If theton had the same stats as akira, you'd have to weigh if you want damage or more controls/healing on your team, or how that might be affected by Saberus or Adaled

Should you run enkidu for general td, or stina for only taunt disable

Diabolus for torture spam? Or Sibidu for a bit less but an easier ult

I feel like the meta would be a bit more interesting at the very least

[runic tartan]

@lean kelp I gave like 20M food to count vlad so he is winning 🙂 (I hope)

[visual ledge]

Old ancestor stats should be atleast 1-2 eras ago

r2 akira is faster than r5 jj💀

[weak bridge]

the thing that genuinely confuses me is that we have these channels as a voice and hardly do they get implemented when they see the game is declining

[round torrent]

how to open monsterwood

tasks

[visual ledge]

@brittle briar its not a bug but a percentage

yeah its kinda frustrating not having ticket in bonus rooms

[weak bridge]

bonus rooms should have 50, then 100 200 400 800

but idk why they arent doing thay

[visual ledge]

50 on room 5 and 100 in 10 aren't that necessary tbh

ticket starting in room 15 is fair

[clear stump]

That last "feedback" is just Titan Invasion again 😂

[brittle briar]

yeah but it’s dumb

and pointless so it must be a bug right!

[runic tartan]

I get tickets on bonus rooms like 33% of the time

kinda weird how when entering the cave it shows like 12 gems 400 tickets a r3 egg recources and some else, but like 2 or 3 times I made up to room 30 and there was no tickets on any bonus rooms and only abt 100 tickets of 25 tickets on normal rooms, so the 400 tickets on the entering cave ui is a complete lie

[broken sail]

Yeah I spent like 450 gems and only got 1200 tickets because of that

[leaden gate]

@karmic fable lmao

[sleek root]

"you will get more players and pursaches"...yall so out of hope they started to give financial advice to SP

[visual ledge]

@karmic fable having versatile monster pick is better than b2b same monster picks

[karmic fable]

i mean ig but at tha tpoint why not just go versatile completely

multiple eras in a live duel

[visual ledge]

thats what im saying

[karmic fable]

mb

thought you were saying multiple eras separately

[visual ledge]

nah i was saying all eras at once

[lean kelp]

All eras at once is just a stat war

Old eras are useless, only thing keeping some alive rn is talents which aren't available in duels

[livid cave]

The original mythic when the primal mythic with 10x its stats appears:

[visual ledge]

did you read my feedback correctly or what?

[lean kelp]

I didn't read your feedback at all

Hope this helps

[livid cave]

Doomsday to Galactic don't have a ghost of a chance abyssal afterwards

Unless the eras are like locked together so doomsday only fights doomsday this might be an issue

[visual ledge]

then why did u talk about "all eras at once" when we're talking about my feedback

[livid cave]

Live duels just needs the warm up to return so it's not a speed fight

[lean kelp]

If you standardize stats it then just leads to old eras dominating since recent eras suck

[visual ledge]

who cares

[lean kelp]

If you don't then new eras dominate since they're all just balls of stats

[visual ledge]

more choices to pick

[lean kelp]

And 90% of them suck

[livid cave]

The big issue with era v era is that is depends a lot on luck beforehand and not skill

I personally consider the old legendary live duels ages ago to be the just about the gold standard of how live duels should be operated

[lean kelp]

The legendary ones were funky

[visual ledge]

why not make both

[livid cave]

Warm up my beloved (a control couldn't just immediately control chain your entire team)

[lean kelp]

Since nobody plays duels

They removed them for a reason

[visual ledge]

💀

[livid cave]

Maybe if the reward wasn't 1k food I'd consider doing it 😔

[lean kelp]

The rewards were mid outside the weekend grandmaster duels and they were whale exclusive

[livid cave]

Didn't old duels have vault keys

One of the older iterations did iirc

[visual ledge]

tbh i don't really care about the rewards what i care is about fun

[livid cave]

The fun grindset 🗣️ 🔥

But uhh yeah I think it'd be most fun if it were one live duel per era (ex. Only og vs og, or only cosmic vs comsic, etc), and then add back warmups

Maybe juice up the rewards a bit

And that's how I'd personally handle it

[lean kelp]

If there's like

11 live duels ongoing at once

How do they expect to get ppl to play

[livid cave]

Idk that's what juicing up the rewards is for

Then you just pick your meta preference depending on era

[lean kelp]

They wouldn't do that

This IS sp

[livid cave]

They wouldn't but that's theoretically how you'd handle it I think

[cloud geyser]

i think separately would also be a cool option, i say have both

it'd be like in pokemon showdown

[cloud geyser]

I find the game most fun whenever either bounty hunt or live duels are on. I get to play on equal footing with other people with a bit of gambling involved, not to mention I don't have to wait three hours to play another match like some other battle modes, ahem, multiplayer.

[dusk elbow]

so many people be saying to swithc from beta caves

why hasnt anyone said anything about having the option to opt in to a beta

feel like that would be better than just randomly assigning and forcing players to use the beta whether its good or bad

can also give them a reward for testing it out and to give feedback as the beta goes on

[karmic fable]

nah

[clear stump]

@mint knot wrong channel, and Xandrite is one

[mint knot]

YO MB

but nah xan doesnt count

[loud raptor]

@echo sapphire hot take but the area dodge change was amazing. For the very simple reason that it adds strategy to a game that really lacks it a lot. Now when your in a fight it gives you something extra to think about and stratgize around. And you can go cry that one of your favorite traits got slightly weaker but atleast for me it has become way more fun to both go up against and fight with it bc it pushes the game to incoparate more strategy instead of only what mon is more powerfull wins.

[dusk elbow]

idk how i feel about the da change

havent played ml competitively in a fat minute but i remember da was incredibly broken, especially pre corrupted era due to being little to no pierce attackers

but i think ever since then it had been alright. still good but wasnt too broken if that makes sense

not sure if da was a problem after metro era since i quit in the beginning of metro

[loud raptor]

I don't think there really was an issue before but I still think the way better than it used to be

It always used to be just bit annoying and now it has become a genuinly fun trait

And I have never heard a hood argument why the previous version makes for better gameplay

[rich ingot]

they just made it harder to use da trait for absolutely no reason by killing off 90% of monsters that have the trait. Not mentioning the sc change that came with it

having less variety to work with isn't fun. forcing changes which people strongly opposed like these isn't fun either

[loud raptor]

When the change happend I barely noticed a drop in da mon usage and even now da is still really meta so I do not uderstand how we have "less variety" now

I just took a look at the top olympus and literaly almost everyone in top 20 uses 1 or more ad mons

I think the trait is doing just fine

[clear stump]

this is just tallulight superheroes all over again lol

[wraith mountain]

Yeah, tbh Tallulight was decent back when superheroes were a thing and SCs TRIGGERS AT THE START OF A FIGHT

[weary flicker]

@lucid widget surveys, tasks, dailies, monsterwood, era sagas, adventure map

its too easy to get ancestors fr

[lucid tulip]

And they even rarely appear in the era shop for £25 or your countries currency price for them.

[weary flicker]

yes but there are cheaper ways without buying them directly

[dusk elbow]

live laugh love caves

[karmic fable]

Idea of gifting a pass is cool

have the option for someone to choose to accept or not

but it would be dumb for them to keep the first-time discount, no?

I'd assume that's what they're referring to

It feels like it could be exploited someway

not sure how tho

[honest oriole]

Relics exist

And there’s still a lot of ppl who aren’t done making their islands

[spring ether]

@dusk sedge team wars

[dusk sedge]

@spring ether team wars but actually usefull

[spring ether]

team wars get you a 8-11 rune every one or two weeks

[dusk sedge]

But i think it can be better

[mint knot]

This new cave is absurd

How do you think it's ok for there to be 20 tickets in the bonus room? I'm a F2P player and I was able to get 9 rank 5 ancestors, now I'm completely barred from any future good monsters for PvP because of this change. You guys are killing your F2P playerbase with 0 communication, and the P2P players aren't gonna spend money on gems if they're getting 20 tickets per cave run.

This change legitimately benefits no one, not even Social Point's bottom line, this is beyond shortsighted.

[flint stone]

@mint knot @keen hearth please add to your feedback. See the description of the channel.

[clear stump]

@worn patio, you can hold the feed button down and it will continually feed. No spamclick required

[flint stone]

@thick thunder please read what you are meant to place in feedback channel.

Thanks.

@broken sparrow not enough info.

Please add to your feedback.

[vestal pelican]

That seems like pretty general feedback to me

[clear stump]

@cloud shell for which chests?

[cloud shell]

Pvp chests

[clear stump]

It already exists. If you purchase the Premium Battle Pass, you get it straight away.

Can't send a picture.

[cloud shell]

I did but its not working for me

I thought i have read it wrong at first but then it didnt work at all

[clear stump]

And you've bought the Premium Pass?

[cloud shell]

Yes both of them

[clear stump]

You only need Premium Battle Pass tbf

Send some pictures of what you're seeing to #ml-general-discussion , someone might be able to advise

[cloud shell]

Oh nvm i figured it out i had to put the chests on queue manually i thought it would go automaticlly lol my bad

[clear stump]

Lol all good

[worn patio]

Oh damn thanks thats helpful

[cloud geyser]

with the strict moderation here, you would expect the devs to actually be reading these

[rich ingot]

they actually do, surprisingly

and they also choose to ignore them most of the time unsurprisingly

[clear stump]

I wonder how many people know Avaritia is actually a monster

In the golden days they'd say I'm 15% more powerful

[grand haven]

Crazy how it could be an ancestral activation requirement now

[clear stump]

🤣

[clear stump]

@feral thicket an Ancestor per 2 weeks?

[candid fractal]

Just wanna chase that dollar it’s sad but that’s all this game is about now

[mint knot]

And they're not even good at it, these deals suck, this new cave sucks so much no one's gonna wanna spend on it

They're not even good at being greedy, they're just really shortsighted

They'd make more money just putting more thought into it, I genuinely don't understand how most of this gets passed through several people and not one of them say "Wait guys this might not be the best decision", do any of the devs play their own game? Even as a whale this feels like your money has gotten less and less valuable over time

[rich ingot]

none of them play their own game because they know it sucks

[low gazelle]

And they make other people playtest it and gives them total hell for the entire time duration. And after all of this feedback, they really do not change anything. What's was the point of giving back feedback when they dont implement anything

[rich ingot]

i sometimes wonder what their thought process was

release beta to gather feedback
get feedback/criticism
beta is now launch for everyone with zero changes
players get mad and they wondered why

[karmic fable]

As much as I dislike SP, I respect that they're trying to at least decrease the level of powercreep

even despite the massive stat increase

what's holding these monsters back is crazily broken skills like what the Legendaries had

it's exactly what allows old mythics to still be somewhat viable

like Lumoona

[spring ether]

It's not really play testing if you're releasing this crappy cave conviently for the whole season of the new op ancestor

For almost everyone

[mint knot]

@normal scroll I'm not sure a single person wants to play against Kiridar's horn Adaled, Unrelenting Assault Maximus, Demonic Pact diabolus, or anything like that...

The reason we got Ancestors and Ancestral relics is because talents got way out of hand

[clear stump]

The health increase happens every era, that person isn't special

[visual ledge]

oh sorry didn't know that

[spring ether]

• releases crappy cave "beta" (lasts at least a month, conviently starting just before an op ancestor releases)
• doesn't listen to feedback
• players hate you
• "why do players hate us?"

[mint knot]

People keep saying this and I'm confused, SP said something?

About being hated?

[spring ether]

No

But we all know it

[mint knot]

I think they know they're hated and don't care

[rich ingot]

they're probably in the office wiping their tears with your money

[spring ether]

Not mine

Mine is in my kinder box

[rich ingot]

that's the most concerning part, they never said anything. the communication between devs and the community is nonexistent

[candid fractal]

Games can really thrive from community feedback but they don’t really listen haha

[candid fractal]

Also funny that a 2 week long pass costs $20

[leaden gate]

@wraith mountain you can just say it was 4b per l8 fugitive and now 6b per l8 fugitive

[wraith mountain]

I didn’t notice that

I can’t read that many zeroes with no commas

[visual ledge]

@wraith mountain

[spring ether]

What?

[young marsh]

Has anyone been having issues loading the game in the last 1hr30m/2hrs.
I updated and it’s not loading the game now. I missed the end of bounty hunt and runes challenge 😭😤 I tried on Apple and android devices with no luck! Can someone help?

[spring ether]

50 a day is literally nothing... You'd need to play for a week for 50 cells, and almost two months for an egg, then half a year for a rank 5... We need more ways to get tickets but 50 a day is more painful than none at all

[fresh roost]

@uneven spade pretty sure ml don't control your tasks, it's based off device and location

[uneven spade]

fr?

[fresh roost]

Ye

[tame coral]

ML Wiki

[fresh roost]

Ml wiki outdated

[clear stump]

The relics or the monsters? Lol

The only upside to allowing roleless access to the server is you get these strange indecipherable feedbacks

[grand haven]

pretty sure many people quit when ancestors got added, including me

[lean kelp]

Ancestors weren't the main reason tho tbh, it was all the crappy other stuff Abyssal added

Like gutting mazes, removing multiple F2P monster sources, gutting BH, double the number of passes, halving the number of sagas, gutting weekly challenges and dungeons, gutting RUSDs

[rich ingot]

if it ain't broke, break it!

[honest oriole]

2 hour cooldown, 15 cells, every weekend/a whole week?? Way too op and you can get a mythic in a day

[clear stump]

Also worth saying there already is a cell donation event

[tame coral]

doesnt it like unlock the newest era cells? or is that an old thing havent played in a while

[spring ether]

❌ Please do not suggest the following, it will be immediately removed!

@robust bolt @strange pond Rune Slots/Rune Removal for Gold.

its unfortunate but it seems its clear they're not doing this

[strange pond]

Ah my bad, forgot that was in the pinned msg

[scarlet vector]

whoever downvoted my idea is narrow-minded, imagine the possibilities of the new rarity!

[flint stone]

Press on it to see. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[scarlet vector]

wdym

[flint stone]

The reaction.

[scarlet vector]

what about the reaction

[spring ether]

Linnaeus 👍

[clear stump]

I like this one, it makes it feel like there's a whole horde of MT mons who are released regularly and all have the one common "issue"

[clear stump]

Fire earth

[spring ether]

Oh yeah

I only think of him as a fire monster ngl

Yeah we need some more creative MT than just "bulky"

[clear stump]

OP isn't wrong but I feel like it's such a non issue
5 MT mons ever, 4 of them being the same element in over 5 years isn't a crime. And to release MT mons for all elements, idk about that especially on the basis of wars

[wanton orbit]

Idk I kinda like having elements fill specific roles

Earth types are generally tanks, nature types are generally healers, fire types are generally attackers, water types are generally controllers/deniers, etc

[clear stump]

i'm thinking more of a war perspective - if you ignore the fact they pushed two r5 MT trait mons in one era, then the general release cadence could be influenced (heavily) by the stat difference. older MT mons like Atum would be unusable past a turn or two, but i'm not exactly wanting to watch who is the best tank based on assigned skills and elemental meta

[clear stump]

i'd also be sorta interested to see how Duels would perform as a per-season Event, who participates as a strategist, and who just throws stuff at the wall and hope it sticks

evidently interest waned generally, but my thoughts on that would be fixing that one desync issue by enforcing a loss or smth

[coral prairie]

This. This not only exists in so many games, but it also just makes sense logically. Not sure why this is an issue.

[wanton orbit]

I feel like it might be part of why the light element is so powerful: light doesn't have a specific role

[strange pond]

Just to play devil's advocate here, many games have these sorts of roles because their elemental systems aren't symmetric (In pokemon for example, rock and steel have more resistances comparatively so they work as better "tank types").
Monster legends has a completely symmetric system, so theoretically every element should be equally viable for a role.
I don't mind certain elements dominating certain roles, but it would be interesting to see more variety, we have the means for it so why not?

[wraith mountain]

Doomed Era all the way to Galactic era, Elvira, Uriel, Cupid and Galvanus dominated the meta

[wanton orbit]

Ye

[visual ledge]

1/4 is fair number your just unlucky

[karmic fable]

I understand they're too op, but i want them back,that's why i ask for nerf

[scarlet vector]

caseoh!

[spring ether]

What element is ginger

[scarlet vector]

nature

[spring ether]

👍

Next YouTuber monster

[scarlet vector]

theyre too broke to do sponsors and collabs there hasnt been one since coryxkenshin

[spring ether]

Maybe if they listened to the players they would have more money 👍

[fresh roost]

We mustn't forget dhar camermann 🙇

[cobalt horizon]

@spring ether there are existing skins, so removing it would mean those that earnt or bought them would lose content.

[cobalt horizon]

@raw swan @cinder hearth have you read announcements regarding friendly battles?

[cinder hearth]

I have not seen one

[cobalt horizon]

Posted yesterday.

[cinder hearth]

Oh yeah just saw

My apologies

[raw swan]

Ah I see

Well, even without the friendly battles being mentioned it’s still valid, good to clear that up though

[spring ether]

I genuinely didn't think any monsters had skins cos how the heck do I get them 😭

[strange pond]

Those were event specific if i remember correctly

[wicked apex]

Make it so that you can see which clan members are online

[scarlet vector]

good

they are useless

[spring ether]

@pale gate read #submit-ideas pins, they won't do that

[wicked apex]

.

[clear stump]

?

[sudden bison]

they could just put a toggle button for specifically the monsters that have a skin, the button could be located just above their level or something like that. doesnt necessarily need a tab of its own

[somber edge]

The monkey's paw curls and now it costs 3.4k gems to get 5250 tickets

[clear stump]

It's also worth mentioning the monsters in mazes are re-release of a previous era monster. So there's no point spending for those, just wait until its breedable or on BH shop

[cobalt horizon]

@pine sentinel please check DMs

[sudden bison]

im suprised someone complained about requiring relics to upgrade something rather than the food cost, the idea of using relics to upgrade makes sense but its weird that we gotta feed the relics to upgrade them

[strange pond]

Relics be hungy

[silk roost]

really like this, sad that it will probably never be an in-game feature

[strange pond]

It's a really cool idea but i think 100 stages per day is excessive, especially since if it has stationary scaling the starting few levels with the low level monsters will be very tedious to go through, the dungeons already feel sloggish at only 10 levels.

I feel something like 100 for 5 days and instead of the enemies being from just one era, they get more options. But other than that i do really like it.

[loud raptor]

It probably wouldn't work that well as replacement for treasure cave bc it would make it way harder to get beter at the game. Maxed out players can easily get al the good stuff while new players struggle

[somber edge]

this would just mean that players with weaker monsters can't get stronger monsters and people with already strong monsters get extra things they don't even need

[clear stump]

@keen hearth

[mint knot]

@cyan valley this is just the same thing as Hatching guardian, which to be fair is a shoe-in for an idea but SP are both lazy and negligent

[cyan valley]

But it's not tho ☝️🤓 so they can't get rid of it

It's for those who know

[cyan valley]

But yea

[strange pond]

Alternatively they could make hatch-time tokens like they have for breeding and chest opening and make that purchasable with gold.

[mint knot]

Genius

[mint knot]

Alternatively they could do anything.

Literally just do SOMETHING

They'd be pretty great too 👍

[cyan valley]

Lmao

[sudden bison]

this would prob be the least likely, too instantaneous to be with gold, they would prob just chuck it in the gold pass of they did

[cyan valley]

Peak idea

They are selling this game

[strange pond]

The monkeys paw activates, avaritia now kicks you in the teeth every time you hit a trap in the cave

[cyan valley]

Lmao

[mint knot]

Honestly that'd be better since it'd make stop spending on it

[cyan valley]

How many more wishes left ...

[strange pond]

Monkeys paw has 5 fingers so 4 more i guess

[cyan valley]

I saw you type the message the other day had to make sure

[strange pond]

which message

[mint knot]

I spent close to 200 gems on retries (rarely ever went for 2nd skip, never did third skip) just for 1 good cave run to get the last cells I needed for florian

[cyan valley]

It was a while ago...

[cyan valley]

Dam

[mint knot]

That's close to 40 attempts and like I think I didnt get caught before room 10 in like 5 of them

[cyan valley]

I miss the old tc

[mint knot]

I wish real people developed this game

[cyan valley]

It just was better then ts

[strange pond]

What sort of attitude is that, this is gambling legends, we're here for the gambling specifically regardless of consequences or rewards

[cyan valley]

Lwk tho

[strange pond]

A man can dream

[mint knot]

Tragic but true

Gambling without financial ruin

Win win honestly

[mint knot]

Assuming you don't spend to gamble on this game

[strange pond]

Lol i was gonna say that

[mint knot]

Why would you be a whale for this game anymore

They don't even reward you for it

I mean they do but so much less so

[strange pond]

Sunk cost fallacy + Nostalgia + too much money

The last one is for rich kids

[mint knot]

Nah but if you're gonna have too much money

[cyan valley]

Yo guys I a got question

[strange pond]

I like your pfp btw quinego

[mint knot]

Idk go get iced out

[mint knot]

Thanks

[cyan valley]

If I started wars with the mods for not doing jack

What would happen

Banned

Or fitted?

Mutted

[mint knot]

The mods don't do anything except police the chat and tell you to not swear

[strange pond]

wdym mods, like the server mods?

[mint knot]

They aren't affiliated with SP

[cyan valley]

Yea

[strange pond]

You leave mamamonster alone

[mint knot]

They aren't responsible for SP's awful decisions

They don't work for them either

[strange pond]

How do you even go to war with dc mods bro

[cyan valley]

Even if they were i wouldn't be surprised...

[mint knot]

I got a DM from a mod for calling Florian Malsang a funny name

[cyan valley]

💀

[cyan valley]

Uh

[strange pond]

why tho, i don't the mod team ever did anything to promote their bad decisions, they just prevent you from swearing and spamming

[cyan valley]

Idk

[strange pond]

Noice

[mint knot]

.

[mint knot]

Start a war on SP

Get a boycott going

[strange pond]

sorry i don't speak morse code

[mint knot]

Im agreeing with you

[cyan valley]

I get that but like I don't really think swearing is a issue

[strange pond]

ahh okay, sometimes ppl use the full stop passive-agrresively so i didn't know what to say

[cyan valley]

That should be focused ofn

[worldly narwhal]

this is a company server

so the company decides the rules not the mods

mama is a ML player just like us

im sure they also dont agree with the bad changes

they are literally part of a top team

[cyan valley]

What about the dev in the server

[strange pond]

See the game's intended audience is 12 year olds. Which means if their pure untainted ears get touched by a bad word they will spontaneously combust

[mint knot]

It is weird that swearing is an issue when I get ads for gooner games for 20 maze coins though

[cyan valley]

Cooked

[cyan valley]

LWK

[strange pond]

They be chilling

[cyan valley]

And the pop up ads

Sometimes I can't even play thr game in school

[worldly narwhal]

I never get those

could be something to do with age and location

[cyan valley]

...

[mint knot]

Part of me thinks he's an AI

[strange pond]

i watched so many ads for that man 😭 . I just want the funny rabbit

[mint knot]

Not ACTUALLY gooner games but gooner-adjacent

[cyan valley]

Maybe who knows

[mint knot]

Like clearly goonbait

[cyan valley]

I got the ai chat thing

[strange pond]

Yeah ik what you mean i used to get a ton of those for this one game, brick mania i think

[cyan valley]

Idk what it was

But like all you see is like women

[worldly narwhal]

I get gambling ads and those ripoff mobile game ads

[cyan valley]

That's chill

[mint knot]

I haven't seen mamamonster much but some of the other ones can get annoying about filtering the feedback chats for some very stupid reasons

[strange pond]

I get those lil 3x3 jigsaw puzzles

[cyan valley]

Wait

[worldly narwhal]

mama always has to say something about us being off topic in ml general

[cyan valley]

So if I genuinely wanted to submit an idea to ml where would I go cus this server is goofy ahh

[mint knot]

How can you be off topic in general

[strange pond]

Every topic is an ml topic if you can change the definition of ml enough.

[worldly narwhal]

ML general

[worldly narwhal]

thats true

[strange pond]

Technically we're not using this channel for it's intended purpose either

But don't tell the mods that

[mint knot]

Divine intervention or actual military-grade psychological conditioning. Everthing below that will just fall upon deaf ears with the Devs

[strange pond]

Or throw a fat stack of cash at them

[mint knot]

Not even that, Ive seen multiple ideas in these chats that would make them good money

This new cave just loses them money since it makes people spend LESS gems

[strange pond]

No like they can't fathom long term profits, you gotta show them money up front

[cyan valley]

Lwk getting rid of ads
Listening to the community
The "not hatchery thing"

[mint knot]

It's crazy how they're greedy, but they're really bad at it, so they tank their profits while also tanking player satisfaction

[cyan valley]

Would.help them grow in money too

[mint knot]

10$ right now or 10k every 30 days and they WILL choose option A.

[strange pond]

what does lwk mean, i googled it and it says love with kisses

[cyan valley]

Lowkey

[strange pond]

Ah i see

[clear stump]

@lost stirrup

[strange pond]

Sadly they don't even show the roles in the monstagram or library 😭

Let alone sort by it

[clear stump]

Also worth saying some mons are used outside of their regular roles

[lost stirrup]

Ohhhhhh

My bad lol

[strange pond]

Social point is allergic to good ui

[strange pond]

True i've seen supports that can act as really good attackers. And some of the roles aren't defined well i feel, like cursers

[leaden gate]

@wild trout @full cosmos it already has recruiting channels (all of them available roleless), you just didn't look at the right category, maybe you can't find cause you need to "follow category" of "team-hall" (to add you need to go to "channels and roles" then "channels" then follow the category "team-hall" and others too if you want)

[cyan valley]

10 out of 10 idea i would spend all my 0 dollars thst I have on that this superb idea is mind boggling

[wild trout]

yeah i realized. Thanks

[pale gate]

banger

[worldly narwhal]

it would be too easy

part of the bh strategy is picking moves so that your monsters do what you want them to do

if you you pick your attacks there would just be sm one shots

[strange pond]

Also in bh high level players will be making hundreds of attacks on the fugitive. Without ai it would take waaaaay too long to get it done

[worldly narwhal]

not really you would just be repeating the same moves over and over

it would take maybe like 10-15s more

[strange pond]

Multiply over hundreds of matches

it would get tedious for sure

[worldly narwhal]

right but you would also need 100s of less battles because you do so much more damage with every attack

[strange pond]

Huh, would picking your own attacks make that big of a difference? I mean for me at least the ai makes bad choices but i feel like it's only like 50% more effecient if i was doing it

[worldly narwhal]

yes it would make a huge difference

you would gain accesses to so many more single target buffs since those are not usually viable

[strange pond]

Hmm, fair enough i spose

[wraith mountain]

Yeah, the AI is stupid when it comes to attacks

Like I want the support to buff the attacker but then they buff themselves which is ridiculous

[worldly narwhal]

use AOE buffers

[wraith mountain]

I already do but some of them do like a single then an AOE, like Triple dmg to one ally and a hater to all allies

[strange pond]

Yeah, i sure love having extra attack users designed to do like 3 attacks in a turn and the ai just picks exclusively non-et moves. Very fun

[worldly narwhal]

which monster is this?

[worldly narwhal]

they dont do ET moves in bh

all fugis has anticipation

[strange pond]

where was this information

[worldly narwhal]

click on the fugitive

you can see all their traits

[strange pond]

Well i'm going to be hitting my head on a wall if you need me

[wraith mountain]

ION V2

This guy buffs himself EVERY TIME

[somber edge]

@radiant imp you need a role to post images in any channel

[strange pond]

Sadly SP has stated they will not be adding one of these because..... who knows why

The game has a lot of little stuff like this if improved make the quality of life soooo much better, but nope they would rather die than implement this stuff

[clear stump]

If you're referring to #submit-ideas pinned messages, that's not official SP refusal
Stuff like that is just asked for way too much for it to be worthwhile posting in that channel, and it's one of those that have been requesting for years. Otherwise I might have missed something from SP saying they won't add a hatch guardian 🤔

[strange pond]

I feel like if they wanted to add a hatching guardian they would have done it by now, no reason to delay a relatively core feature for this long unless you’re just not adding it

[rich ingot]

Dragon city has a tower that can reduce hatching time so there is no reason ml can't make one similiar to that.. unless they chose not adding it just to spite its players

[clear stump]

I mean there is a hatch time boost in ML, just for GLP users only. How would you balance a Hatch Guardian, if the boost is big then Race cost drops by quite a bit I would've thought

[worldly narwhal]

thats probably the reason why they would never add a hatching guardian because it would lower the value of glp during race

[rich ingot]

oh so they already added a hatching boost. Just locked behind a paywall

p2w get even more advantage while casuals get a nice qol. For balancing, instead of reducing overall hatching time, it skips 6-12 hours of the eggs on the hatchery

[cobalt horizon]

Hatching boost from glp during race doesn't really make much difference.

[worldly narwhal]

nothing in this game is worth it and needs to be cheaper ☹️

[somber edge]

Wait a minute, so the most requested things, and by extension the things players want the most aren't allowed to be suggested?

That doesn't really make sense to me but you do you 🫠

[clear stump]

they're asked for a lot and are clearly some of the things players want the most - but there has been no response or implementations with regards those listed requests, for years in most cases, and people will still ask for them even now rather than suggesting new and original changes. doesn't make sense to flood the channel with "hatch guardian" a thousand times when it's been asked for for years. used to even have a voting channel for these ideas, for player most requested, but that was done away with

[worn patio]

Why doesn’t sp communicate w the playerbase?

[grand haven]

that's something you're gonna have to ask sp

[honest oriole]

i don't have them and i refreshed the game @worldly narwhal

[worldly narwhal]

@honest oriole

[honest oriole]

maybe its just a issue for me and my friend

[strange pond]

did you update the game? I didn't friendly battles till i updated

[honest oriole]

thanks i didn't know there was a update

mb guys

[strange pond]

Happens to the best of us

[weary flicker]

@last solar dude it's so easy to get literally anything I n this game, it just takes time.

[mint knot]

@toxic ibex I agree with you but it's not a problem specific to this ancestor and their synergy

Even number ancestors for some reason only have paid synergies

Graciel, Xandrite and Diabolus all had their partners behind the golden pass

Hounen will have his synergies in event pass, but the ancestor after him won't

[worldly narwhal]

@wraith mountain I agree with pvp changes but books?

what do you mean books dont make any sense at all

how do you reckon we make war restrictions then

and they literally give free 9-10 runes for collecting monsters

what harm do they bring?

[wraith mountain]

Florian Malsang not in villains

He's literally the Ancestor of Villains

But he's not in the book of villains

[wraith mountain]

Does it make sense??

Also, less villain book wars?

Like outright some books are OUTDATED

[worldly narwhal]

ok that has nothing to do with books and how social point chooses to give books

books are a good thing for the game

agreed some monsters need to be in different books but it doesnt change that

[wraith mountain]

Its because they dont listen AT ALL

Also their AI is equvilant to a Roblox player's IQ level, ZERO

[clear stump]

Unwarranted stray

Just because a monster qualifies for a book doesn't mean it has to be in that book

[wraith mountain]

IT DOES

[clear stump]

It really does not

[wraith mountain]

I think its more specfic with Florian

[clear stump]

Not every female mon has to be in female book etc
If you strictly follow that "if it qualifies for X Book it must go in that book" you'd have monsters who appear in way too many books, and some books with way too many monsters in. Would lead to lack of variety for wars and the like

[wraith mountain]

Villains and Winter book are some of the WORST ONES

[clear stump]

Better to keep it to give a monster 3 books that pertain to it the most

OK and?

Winter used to be terrible I remember that much

[wraith mountain]

They are refusing to increase our options, like they probably know it and refuse to improve

[clear stump]

I don't think a monster needs to be in 5 or 6 books just because it relates to for 5 or 6 books

3 is fine

[wraith mountain]

Villains was decent back in doomed, but it sucks now

[clear stump]

Dang

[wraith mountain]

Warmaster Ragnarok fits in A WHOPPING SIX BOOKS

[clear stump]

Counterpoint, Special element is not an available restriction in War
So him, Cakelius the Tenth and The Great Cthulhu all double special could/should imo have more books. But outside of that they don't need silly amounts of books

[cedar crypt]

Winter is nothing compared to villains book wars

It’s either shadowbolt, dr bloom or raris with demonic pact that’s all we get😭

[wraith mountain]

And Rebel frosilka I guess

[strange pond]

@pastel furnace HAVE MY MONEY

[somber edge]

I wonder how people think of these things but I'm not complaining

[pastel furnace]

Nooo keep the money so you'll have enough to buy the doujinshi that will come with the new ML update

[strange pond]

You need to get paid so you keep pumping out these ideas

You may be what this game needs

[pastel furnace]

Of course, look at all the wasted potential. Just today i hatched Alvira Demonslayer, beatiful woman, like America. We like Alvira Demonslayer, she's a strong, independant, badass woman, just like America!

And then i have my heart shattered when i hear the usual voice lines (where's the deep but a bit lovely voice she should have?) and no cutscene of her killing demons there and there like Doom Slayer would do. That's not cool SP, you won't have my money this way

[rich ingot]

what a day to be literate

[cobalt horizon]

Neither allowed here, thank you.

[pastel furnace]

Daaamn, sorry 😭

[last solar]

Remove ticket cave and bring back the old cave

[mint knot]

Given the context of us fighting wars with horrible monsters, yes it does actually

[mint knot]

Do we really need another mechanical ancestor when we´re so lacking for villains though?

[strange pond]

@charred eagle What events did you have in mind? I wanna hear your ideas. I personally feel the cycle of the events is good enough as they're all pretty different (Though stuff like tales could do with a bit more excitement but that's just my opinion)

[leaden gate]

@karmic fable I totally agree with you💯

[mint knot]

They finally removed that horrible cave beta, way earlier than scheduled do to massive community outcry. I think this should prove that censoring repeated ideas like a hatching guardian or rune slot changes is a bad idea. Almost all the suggestions in feedback have been about the cave changes for the past 2-3 weeks, and it changed. I see no reason to curate the channel like the mods are trying to do.

[strange pond]

Agreed, on top of this i think they should actually communicate their reasons for making changes instead of just blindly throwing betas at us

[mint knot]

Yup

[cobalt horizon]

Feedback and ideas channel are two different things.

And feedback obtained from multiple sources, not just here.

[mint knot]

Where are the other sources of feedback which seem to matter a lot more than these discords then?

[cobalt horizon]

You can give feedback in-game, for starters. Many players would even be on Discord.

[karmic fable]

i love the attention on this

[cobalt horizon]

@scarlet vector where? In the lab the filters for newer generations are found further along. Them being mixed in wrong order is known.

Same in storage.

[scarlet vector]

i think in the pvp modes

[tame coral]

because you dont have any monsters past that era in that book

[fresh roost]

They're all the way to the right

[scarlet vector]

i do 💀

[tame coral]

the newer eras are on the right side

[scarlet vector]

they should be in order

[fresh roost]

Mama already said its known

[clear stump]

@pallid seal if you have more than 5 BH Stamina when a Lobby ends, you still keep the extra Stamina, unless they changed that? 🤔

If you have only 1 Stamina left when a lobby ends, and you go into a new lobby, you then get restored to the full 5 stamina
But if you end a lobby with example 10 stamina remaining, you go into a new lobby with that same 10 stamina

[worldly narwhal]

they havent changed it from what I know

[clear stump]

Would've received a lot of backlash if it had

[grand haven]

I thought they stopped the ancestral dungeons because they want people to solely focus on the gacha for ancestor cells

[grand haven]

@scarlet vector personally akira and florian isn't too overpowered that they need nerfing, especially since I've witnessed more overpowered mechanics/monsters they've released in the past that they don't nerf at all.

[scarlet vector]

florian gets his awakening like 5 times in a battle and akira one shots everyone paired with a td they need a minor nerf

[grand haven]

they're both dead from demonic pact after one awakening cycle, anticipation stops akira, double anticipation + taunt/MT stops Florian, ITT/Artifact monsters stop florian's awakening, essentially they can still get countered. I've seen monsters not getting countered at all and they haven't been nerfed, they were just left forgotten as monsters with bigger stats show up

[scarlet vector]

diabolous..

and what if enemy doesnt use demonic pact.

you can always counter that as well

[grand haven]

then see the other cases I mentioned

[scarlet vector]

florian has trait disable and anticipation disable and cold blood, disabling the mega taunt and other immunity traits

[grand haven]

double anticipation + MT, then he can only disable one anticipation and not the other

[scarlet vector]

you can let of the anticipations get a turn and then on your next turn you'll be able to use the aoe trait disable skill

for example mater wont really be able to do anything

[grand haven]

yea but what about relics, that TD skill trigger damaging relics, specifically armor on MTs and burning hurts a lot on Florian

[scarlet vector]

once you awaken him you gain torture immunity

[grand haven]

but if the burn is enough then volcanyx's trap won't activate anymore, and chances are he would need to end his ET cycle to awaken

[scarlet vector]

the trap activates after his turn

[grand haven]

not if his life is below 50%

[scarlet vector]

thats why he takes in the first turn and he uses the non-damaging anti disable first

[grand haven]

yea and then the other anticipation, either maximus, anwir or anyone, can damage him in that timeframe

[scarlet vector]

what are they going to do

[grand haven]

anwir total blinds and death countdown, maximus gets ITT and brute force him to death, monsters like Lumoona or Galvanus cleanses the entire team

[scarlet vector]

hes got bulwark

[grand haven]

then anwir can just drain his stamina with his SC and relics, and if florian runs a stamina recovering trap then he'd have one less trap to apply tortures on, stalling his awakening

[scarlet vector]

you only need 1 volcanyx trap and 1 slumster trap

[grand haven]

so volcanyx trap triggers twice, but if florian wants to use his ult he'd need to use an extra ET turn, once again triggering anticipation

[scarlet vector]

his status caster

[grand haven]

alright that's a good point there I forgot about that, but 2 turn anticipation is still enough to stop him

plus his ult can also miss

[scarlet vector]

how tho

[grand haven]

bulwark, blind, daze, umbrella traits

trust me I've seen it miss quite a few times now

[scarlet vector]

doesnt really matter if he misses it he'll get his awakening back instantly

[grand haven]

yea after his turn ends, so in the timeframe between missing his ult and him getting a turn, you can kill him

[scarlet vector]

with what

[grand haven]

maximus, reapplied tortures, other monsters' awakenings

[scarlet vector]

what monsters?

[grand haven]

his ult is prime awakening conditions for both MTs

[scarlet vector]

by the time hes dead he'll already have done his thing

trait disable everyone for an attacker like akira or maximus

plus a control like stina or diabolous

[grand haven]

but by that time you could've also lost another monster, or your monsters have also been effectively denied by the anticipation

I'm not saying he's not broken, but there are always cases that counters him

especially ones that involve maximus and another anticipation monster to be honest

also not to mention the upcoming monster and relic seem to hard counter him

bottom line is he won't be nerfed, SP will just invent a lot of monsters that counter him in the specific way he fights

[scarlet vector]

we might as well ask

[tame coral]

Because he cant do extra turn skills

[worldly narwhal]

@red magnet why are you using bookkeeperion in bh?

use a proper team and you will get consistent damage

[weary flicker]

Always these idiots complaining bro 💀 🙏

Type of people who put full strength on kuromako kaori @torn pewter

[night garnet]

isn't she supposed to run full speed 💀

[weary flicker]

Yes but someone was running 3 xi strength

[night garnet]

[strange pond]

@hardy kayak Live duels you mean?

[fresh roost]

It lasted 2 days

[tame coral]

there is skins just for old monsters, like elvira, this is liek a 2018/2019 thing

[tame coral]

Me too I get it after like 3 rolls but I thought it would be a good system for others.

[fresh roost]

Alot get it after enough cells yo R5 lol, not just 1 person

[strange pond]

Stina can stay

[true elk]

@crude field Please remove that message from Feedback channel.

Please read what the channel requires.

Thank you.

[somber edge]

stina can be excused

[red magnet]

Metal based attack with a mega stun on a fugitive that's not immune to stun. I don't have much mythics to work with anyways so what's your point???

[red magnet]

All the Warmasters have skins so yeah

[worldly narwhal]

you cant use bad monsters and expect good results

[red magnet]

Your opinion on what monsters are bad are up to you but Bookeeperion is fairly decent. Still don't see your point after I told you my current cast isn't vast.

[worldly narwhal]

no hes not

that's just wrong

you cant use a monster not made for bh and expect good results

also you have to use a proper moveset if you want a monster to do what you want them to do

[red magnet]

Your username speaks for itself because I don't see anyone else have a problem with him unless its the fugitive event when the role should be attack yet the attacks aren't in our control. I just told you I don't have many monsters to work with yet you insult how I need to play the game

Plus I just gave an opinion so why does it matter lol

[scarlet vector]

why the hell would you use bookeperion for bounty hunt. hes right bud. you're in the wrong here if you dont have many monsters to work with then dont argue back when they say you're using a bad monster. dont expect to do good with the worst

[scarlet vector]

you're arguing back when you're being rightfully corrected

[scarlet vector]

he deals no damage and he doesnt boost damage. why would you even say he's decent, the only monsters you should be using are high hit damage dealers or supports that give haters and buff damage

[red magnet]

Wow, you really say all this when Bookeeperion has legitimate damage dealing attacks that force mega stun and total blind. Are you a tailgater for others or something because I'm laughing at this bad criticism

[scarlet vector]

megastun and blind doesnt matter if your doing no damage

[red magnet]

I didn't even say or consider Bookeeperion was anywhere near goated. He's just decent. That is all.

[scarlet vector]

bounty hunt is about damage, hes terrrible in bounty hunt

[red magnet]

His moves deal damage as far as the game shows

[scarlet vector]

if you cant do good damage, dont even bother attacking the fugitive

[red magnet]

Your opinion but okay

[scarlet vector]

still isnt enough to defeat even the league 1 fugitive

[red magnet]

Did you even read how the amount of mythic monsters I have in insanely low? Lol

[worldly narwhal]

saying bookkeeperion is bad for bh isnt an opinion lol

[scarlet vector]

so dont attack the fugi

whats the point of attacking if you deal nothing

[red magnet]

Oh so I can't play the event because even when I play the game I shouldn't try?

[red magnet]

He deals damage, how blind are you

[scarlet vector]

focus on getting the jackpots as a beginner that is the thing you should be focusing on

[scarlet vector]

the most he deals is 500k with one hit.. whats even the point in attacking the fugitive with him.

[worldly narwhal]

bag hunt dont attack fugi

[scarlet vector]

its a waste of stamina when you can be getting mythic cells from jackpots

[red magnet]

Because its a game. You gonna tell someone with legendaries they can't try?

[scarlet vector]

yes

[red magnet]

💀 💀 💀

[worldly narwhal]

yes

[scarlet vector]

because the honest truth is there isnt a point in using a bad monster if tou dont do any damage

[red magnet]

As someone who's seen you give really bad feedback in the feedback channel and only has 300 monsters for a role, you're just getting ignored at this point lol

[red magnet]

Some people have fun with the game anyways. Can't take that freedom away.

[scarlet vector]

you have an epic role

[worldly narwhal]

have fun then but dont complain

[scarlet vector]

as far as ive seen people with 2k mp with an epic role

[red magnet]

And?

[worldly narwhal]

you cant say oh im just playing for fun then complain when your ai isnt good because you are using the wrong monsters and skills

[scarlet vector]

An epic role is nothing, i used to have that as well

[scarlet vector]

so roles arent relevant.

[red magnet]

It's not good AI. Others are obviously agreeing from feedback.

[red magnet]

Alright then, continue to be blind.

[worldly narwhal]

im gonna let you in on a secret. they all suck as well

[scarlet vector]

yeah but the problem is you are using bookeeprion

[scarlet vector]

who's blind you dealing 200k damage per stamina in bounty hunt and still thinking that its somewhat decent

good damage is about 200m you're nowhere close just focus on the jackpots as a beginner to get more mythics

[somber edge]

200m is not good damage

I'd say 2B+

[scarlet vector]

@keen patrol you're not allowed to ping a dev

[mint knot]

@scarlet vector I think most players who have high level runes would be more than happy to have a use for the billions of gold they stockpile that go into nothing more than farms, guardians and moving relics around

It gets to a point in the game where your gold doesn't go down anymore

If you optimize your islands for space and have only mythic habitats, you get obscene amounts of gold

I'd happily spend 1B every now and then for changing out a level 12 rune

But maybe atleast have the option, gold or gems

[true elk]

@ 1zv_xy please remove your message in feedback channel. Take a look at the rules of the company server. No pinging an employee of Social Point. Thank you.

@keen patrol

[worldly narwhal]

@proud falcon its not

[jagged warren]

Yeah nah, cuz like, the loadings screens had a good charm to it, specially the ones with new artwork for the featured monsters, really enhanced the spotlight to em while having more variety 🙏
I miss those so much

[somber edge]

the copy-pasted look just helps add to the repetitive, mechanical, and tedious gameplay

[livid cave]

I just miss the epic art we used to get 😔

The game feels like it's on repeat where nothing ever changes and like the loading screens being the same cycle for the past like two years kinda cements that

[red magnet]

That's why I saved so many loading banners from the past because they were super unique and memorable to the game's fun history. We need new appealing artwork to freshen up the game's vibe.

[strange pond]

I get what you mean but this is a feature not a bug, daily tasks are supposed to be things that you would do regularly anyway

Although i suppose having a few tasks that rotate in and out of cycle to spice things up would be interesting

For most ppl (including myself) daily tasks are just a checklist to get gems so complicating them is kinda annoying

[clear stump]

If only

Funny that while writing my feedback complaining about pings

[scarlet vector]

me messing up the reactions on purpose

[clear stump]

I get another ping

[clear stump]

https://tenor.com/view/clever-jim-carrey-thumbs-up-gif-6263748941103246808

[scarlet vector]

this doesnt show up

[clear stump]

I know

@cobalt horizon Can we get image and embed permissions in this channel please 🙏

@karmic fable delete those reactions from my message or you will be muted 🙃

[karmic fable]

bruh

[clear stump]

And from your own message

[night garnet]

crazy

[cobalt horizon]

Surveys are not part of the game. Feedback for them should be directed towards the survey provider.

[clear stump]

@vapid coral "Make the game better" is not an idea

[vapid coral]

It is

[clear stump]

elaborate

[scarlet vector]

@feral thicket they get money for being a tapjoy partner they won't remove tasks

[clear stump]

@karmic fable

[worldly narwhal]

@karmic fable Ancestors are already easy to get

High ranked mythics are harder to get than R5 ancestors

[wraith mountain]

Nah theyre not as easy as you think, first you have to beg that avarita leaves you alone in treasure cave (I’m one of those guys that get caught very often)
Then you have to hope the cave has tickets, you have to make it out of the cave without getting caught, then you have to hope Pandalf does his job and ACTUALLY gets you the ancestor

[worldly narwhal]

its average 1k per R5

do a bh or some tasks

[wraith mountain]

Not everyone is fortunate enough to get good tasks and BH is a once per month event with many instabilites

[worldly narwhal]

if you are below level 110 then you can easily get more than 1k gems per bh

[wraith mountain]

I'm at max level

[worldly narwhal]

you can still get 1k gems per bh

[wraith mountain]

No I dont

The AI is as smart as an average roblox player

[worldly narwhal]

I did 1.1k and this bh was pretty mid

[scarlet vector]

hey, that's not fair im lvl 111..

[worldly narwhal]

im just giving a rough guess lol

realistically anyone can do 1k gems

if you can you either arent really playing that much

then you cant complain

or you are new to the game

[somber edge]

People will literally upvote anything

[scarlet vector]

people will literally downvote anything

[somber edge]

There is literally no reason for them to stop taunt monsters with self sustain skills. Firstly, if a tank isn't gonna self sustain, then what the hell else is it gonna do? Deal damage? With life and speed runes? Secondly, this is a pierce, cold blood, trait disable, and extra turn meta, and tanks are literally the least threatening monsters, there's no reason to nerf/have less of them. If you have trouble beating them then that's your skill issue and problem and this is why SP never takes feedback seriously, because of stupid people like you making pointlessly bad suggestions and stupid people upvoting it like idiots

[scarlet vector]

theres already ironguard, onibull, skydkold, flemiguard, jellymer, turtle murtle, snailorion, dumbane, sentinella... do we really need anymore. use your brain. i never said i have trouble beating them. theyre too weak and repetitive

[worldly narwhal]

I think the problem is they are releasing like 2 a month rn

[scarlet vector]

theres no reason to have more if theyre weak.

pack it up vro 🥀

[somber edge]

Only two of those are from the past 3 months, but they're too repetitive 🤔

[scarlet vector]

they are...

[somber edge]

And yeah I don't see the problem with more, there's always more war restrictions and different niches for each

[scarlet vector]

nonsense, theres literally no reason for them to release more they just cant think of better ideas

[worldly narwhal]

Ironguard, Onibull, Stalwart, Osamarosa, Fishiegami

[somber edge]

? They've released like over a dozen monsters that aren't tanks and 2 that are

[scarlet vector]

no one downvoted it except for you, you might be in the wrong here.. theres too many of them taunt monsters will self sustainability skills

[scarlet vector]

yeah those ones i couldnt think of more but there are way more that it needs to be

[somber edge]

Yes the part under 150 has more people so they must be correct on everything

[worldly narwhal]

💔

[scarlet vector]

that isnt related but idk why you think its a good idea that they are doing this

[somber edge]

They've been releasing all kinds of monsters and they always do it

I'm not sure why releasing taunt monsters is such a big deal when we could be talking about a virtually unbeatable ancestor

[somber edge]

Ad populum fallacy

[scarlet vector]

so dont disagree with the feedback then🥀

[somber edge]

I disagree with it

[scarlet vector]

dont add to mines

[somber edge]

There's no reason I see for them to not release every kind of monster

[scarlet vector]

if you think you can be talking about sonething else. honestly what are you on about

[scarlet vector]

its repetitive and boring..

[somber edge]

Next you're gonna say that they've been releasing too many mythic controllers

[scarlet vector]

they have tho..

[somber edge]

and you're gonna ask them to stop releasing mythics because they're too repetitive and boring

and it'll just be ancestors then

what's the point?

[scarlet vector]

if they cant think of any other ideas then idk why you are defending them.

[somber edge]

The hell do you mean ideas? It's been like this since the start of the game, there are 4 primary classes of monsters, attacker, support, tank, and controller. They release monsters as one of them, and all of a sudden it's repetitive for some reason

[scarlet vector]

they havent released a support with ner in ages. whats your point

[somber edge]

A support with ner is pointless at this point unless it's in good books

it's a damage meta

[scarlet vector]

demonic pact 🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

use your brain brotha..

[somber edge]

charm and hounen finish everything in less than 3 turns 🤷‍♀️

[scarlet vector]

they dont

[somber edge]

yes they do?

[worldly narwhal]

true

[scarlet vector]

this guys like one of the best players. he's right

[somber edge]

I can't downvote that because I'm blocked or I would

[worldly narwhal]

also true

[somber edge]

And Boosak, another top player, downvoted that 😁

You're gonna say he's wrong because he's alone because you're stupid

[scarlet vector]

they havent been releasing ner monsters. theyve released a swarm of taunt monsters. who's the stupid one here.. you literally dont have a point here on them not releasing repetitive monsters

[scarlet vector]

thats like a 1 to 10...

[somber edge]

If you're complaining about a lack of NER, then complain about that, not that there is too much of something you don't want

[scarlet vector]

yes

[somber edge]

Ad populum fallacy

[scarlet vector]

then dont deny the facts that they are being too repetitive

[somber edge]

They are not being repetitive though

It's just a few taunt monsters in dozens of other monsters

[scarlet vector]

they are. like a third of the monsters are taunts

released in the last 2 eras

[somber edge]

wow I guess like 4 monsters is a third of all the new monsters

[scarlet vector]

theres way more than that

[somber edge]

you're not real 😂

[worldly narwhal]

its 25% of this eras monsters

[somber edge]

source?

[scarlet vector]

the monstagram..

[worldly narwhal]

20 new monsters 5 are taunt monsters with hardened

[somber edge]

If it's not from a reputable journal I'm not accepting it

[worldly narwhal]

sigma

[night garnet]

okay forgive me but wth is NER

[somber edge]

that's 20% not 25% 🤦‍♀️

[worldly narwhal]

negative effect removal

[night garnet]

ah

[scarlet vector]

reputable journal in a mobile game 🥀

[worldly narwhal]

good ragebait bro 😭😭

[night garnet]

girl...

[scarlet vector]

"phd student"🥀

[worldly narwhal]

honestly couldnt tell if you were ragebaiting or not till you said that

[somber edge]

Yeah and you wish you could be like me

[strange pond]

5/20 is 25% are you smoking

[scarlet vector]

ive known how to do percentages ever since i was 7 vro pack it up🥀

[somber edge]

I'm smoking hot yeah

[worldly narwhal]

you are falling for her ragebait twin 💔

[somber edge]

so 20% of monsters this era are taunts

that's not a big deal

[worldly narwhal]

the bits over bro pack it up now twin

[scarlet vector]

not what the majority thinks cmon dude at least say that you're an alien

[strange pond]

i tend to assume ignorance rather than malice. In her case i shd have assumed malice tho

[scarlet vector]

ragebait in the big 25 🥀

[strange pond]

she's a baiter of the master level

[somber edge]

The majority is usually wrong

[worldly narwhal]

you falling for it bro you keep responding 💔

[worldly narwhal]

yea im long

[scarlet vector]

my bad

[scarlet vector]

proof? if its not from a reputable journal im not accepting it🤓

[somber edge]

Google "Asch conformity experiments"

People will do things just because other people did it

[worldly narwhal]

i ragebait because you ragebait ❤️

[somber edge]

🤝

[strange pond]

we live in a society

bottom text

[scarlet vector]

whats the problem with that when its right

the gaslighting isnt working

[somber edge]

It isn't though

[scarlet vector]

prove it

[somber edge]

If I made a movement insisting that akira is bad I'd accrue a good following fairly quickly, even though I'm wrong

[wraith mountain]

@cerulean sierra I agree with your point because I get caught twice VERY OFTEN before room 15, the rates should be investigated since there's WAY TOO many players saying they get caught TOO OFTEN

I think there should be a pity run where u have 2 free continues

[somber edge]

If you only do your first skip after 10 the odds you get caught twice between 11-15 is about 10%, assuming that the rate of getting caught is 25%. It's a lot higher if you do your first skip before ten, though.

[wraith mountain]

I get caught in room 3 90% of the time

[wraith mountain]

@pale juniper I tested 3 runs and only got away on room 3 ONCE

[somber edge]

...that isn't that improbable though?

[honest oriole]

Why

[vapid coral]

It would be like more people engage and help

[cobalt horizon]

Has been suggested several times already.

[somber edge]

Some ancestors are naturally bad, just let them be? 💀

[cedar crypt]

This

Not every ancestor has to be amazing

Although I don’t think anwir is bad at all he’s a super easy win condition for wars he just had a lot of drawbacks like being insanely weak to tortures, dodge area and having tricky awakening conditions

[somber edge]

and yeah he's not bad

he's good for undead wars

[cedar crypt]

Totally

A faster anwir usually wins against an enemy anwir

Also was the only effective charm + megataunt counter for quite a while until Florian came out

[karmic fable]

who's dis guys

😭

pay the sp workers

[clear stump]

that's khan cesko

https://tenor.com/view/guitar-monster-legends-gif-9361734013797377873

[karmic fable]

ik i am the one who screenshot the thing @clear stump

[clear stump]

so like

what's the question

[karmic fable]

he looks like simpsons for some reason

[karmic fable]

does this guy even know what he is saying??

[strange pond]

An ice type could work, but monster legends has a pure cyclic system so each type can only have one strength and one weakness

[somber edge]

I think that's a kid

[strange pond]

Why do you think so

I mean majority of ppl here are kids technically speaking

[somber edge]

That's a pretty immature idea 😂

[wanton orbit]

New elements would be severely underdeveloped for wars

[strange pond]

Unrealistic yes (in the it's far too late for it to be added now sense), but i wouldn't call it immature. There's a lot of monsters that are made of ice so i can see their thought process

[somber edge]

There's also a winter book

[strange pond]

There is, yes

[cobalt horizon]

@ivory sand you want #submit-ideas not feedback channel

[wraith mountain]

@remote sinew the gold tickets ofc

[somber edge]

top 500 when there are like 500 active players in the entire game

he'll literally be only half as useful next season, they'll release an even more OP ancestor that directly counters him

[rich ingot]

ah yes, the "if everything is op then nothing is op" balance

[livid cave]

Get ready for the new Ultimate Rarity, with the complementary massive stat boost and terrible skillsets whenever the meta gets too complex!

[scarlet vector]

what if they dont huh have you ever thought about that🤦🏼‍♂️

[fresh roost]

It's what they've done so far over 2 years of ancestors

[scarlet vector]

how are you supposed to counter hounen..

[worldly narwhal]

@strange pond

how do you suppose we get the monsters for breeding events then?

[strange pond]

My complaint isn't that Rockantium is being used for the breeding event, i am 100% fine and happy with that.

My complaint is that rockantium is also one of the RESULTS of the various breedings that can happen in this event

Go to the breeding event and scroll to the right

far right, there is rockantium

[worldly narwhal]

yea I know

which makes sense

so people can get him

to use for the breeding event

[strange pond]

That's redundant when there's already an easy way to get him

I can excuse Talos and galgui, they're pretty far into the lineage. But rockantium is literally the first legend in his lineage

[worldly narwhal]

you get there is a maze coin bonus right

like as a possibility

you can get extra maze coins from breeding through the event

[strange pond]

I'm just saying, the whole point of this event is to gain access to mons you wouldn't have any other way. Like charm. Having 3 of the 4 potential legendary results be ones you can get through breeding feels.... dumb as hell if i have to be blunt

[worldly narwhal]

well what do you want them to make it then

it only makes sense that by breeding 2 legendaries that you would get another legendary thats used in the breeding event

if you breed rockantium and pixel lion you should get a zenfira 😭

[worn patio]

ragnarok

[strange pond]

ANY of the non-breedable legends Worker Hulk, Roastie, Blockheart, Yamato etc

there's so many damn options

[worldly narwhal]

ok but why what purpose does that serve