ideas-feedback-discussion

[clear stump]

@loud raptor anything related to monsters themselves should go to #monster-ideas , and worth mentioning adding x to book x is widely overlysuggested

[loud raptor]

Yeah thats axactly why I made an entire spreadsheet of every single faictionless mon

[clear stump]

if every monster was added to every book they should be in, there wouldn't be much point in having books especially for wars

[loud raptor]

This about faction in the past 3 era every monster has had a faction so I think ml wants every mon to be in a faction

[clear stump]

yeah they probably do, hence why they do add more factions

but still, needs to go to #monster-ideas

[loud raptor]

Isn't that supposed to be for brand new ideas for monsters that don't exsist, not for a rework in what monster has a book?

[clear stump]

it's for anything related to the monsters themselves

especially adding x to book x lol

[loud raptor]

Than I am not the first one to do it wrong bc I have never seen something like that in monster ideas but just a few days ago multiple in the channel it is in now

[clear stump]

that doens't make it right, that just means i'm slacking lol

especially the multiple "something with cells after r5"

[loud raptor]

Just to check are you a moderator?

[clear stump]

i'm ideas department :)

i look after these channels and delete dupe ideas

you can see #submit-ideas pinned, although i need to slim them down

[loud raptor]

Okay so here is thing I have spend 3 and half hours on this which I know is probably waste of time but eventhough themathically it doesn't make any and this has never been a problem before, out of all the people that have done this you force me to move it

In the summit ideas channel it is most likely gonna do hence why want to keep it there besides just a matter of principal

I fail to see why can't just keep it there

[loud raptor]

Besides if you count this as monster related wouldn't pretty much 75% of the game be "monster related"

[clear stump]

If you see the pinned, it's been stated for a long time that adding x to book x is oversuggested, just because you condense it into a spreadsheet doesn't change much

monster related means the playable characters, the channel is more for game features

[loud raptor]

So writing the defenition of a single woord makes writing a dictionairy unessecery?

I offer the developers a tool bc you can't do much with a single request to add a mon to a book but with the spreadsheet it becomes accesible for devs to make a proper change instead scrambeling more than 180 sepperate suggestions together

[clear stump]

you could be uploading a malicious files for all they know lol

if they wanted to add a mon to a book, they would've

i would think that's something they take into account when putting a mon in a game? not every mon needs to be in every book

[loud raptor]

So is the problem the file bc I never heard you about that before

[loud raptor]

So when the community asked for more mons in the saurians book they didn't go ahead and add a bunch more mons to the saurians book?

If they wanted to add those mons in the first place they would have just done so right when they released the saurians but bc the cummunity let them know they wanted a change they did something about it

[clear stump]

the saurians thing was an evident oversight, they buffed linnaeus on the same measure, thats called hindsight, that was less of a community saying add x to book x but more book saurians is way underdeveloped. even the era saga was borderline impossible as a result

you wanna check spelling there

[loud raptor]

First I am most likely dyslexic and english is not my first language

Always a weak move to bring up spelling and grammar in discussion

[clear stump]

it's not a weak move when you've put a rude word in your word by accident lol

more saying it to be on safe side of rules?

[loud raptor]

Secondly your telling me that saying in flavor text a monster is part of a sertained faction but not adding it into it is not a oversight?

[clear stump]

flavour text is different

something something thalassa being a woman but not in females or whatever

not every monster thats known to be aquatic is in Sea

so and so forth

[loud raptor]

No but what I poster was specificly about factions

And not things like sea and female book

And like I said before for many eras now has ml made clear they want every monster to have a faction

[clear stump]

factions are still books

and adding x to book x is still book x

[loud raptor]

Yeah but it is really quite diffrent than "not every aquatic monster is in sea book" though

[clear stump]

and a monster idea is still a monster idea :D

[loud raptor]

Yeah but it is not an idea for a monster more so a suggestion to fix parts of the lore

[clear stump]

youre still suggesting changes to monsters lol

[loud raptor]

Yet it still seems kinda weird to me that I have never seen a change to a monster requested in the monster ideas channel but tons in the summit ideas channel and even though it had never been a problem now it is suddenly worth all this effort to tell me otherwise

[clear stump]

people who want anything in terms of monsters, including effects and the like, gets redirected to #monster-ideas

it's been pinned for years about the book things too

[loud raptor]

Do they bc I never see that happening

[clear stump]

^^

notable example

[loud raptor]

Again I get that if I where to just asked to add a single mon to book that would be redunded but this is actually useable

[loud raptor]

So you only say something about once every like 12 times it happens?

[clear stump]

i say something if it gets discussed here

i don't ping for every single thing i intend to delete lol

[loud raptor]

Okay so you let anything slide aslong as it just doesn't get mentiond here?

[clear stump]

?

not what i said but go off i guess lol

if something is a repeat, or is something mentioned in the pins, i delete it when i can

and if its actively being discussed hre it usually gets a mention about being a repeat

[loud raptor]

So if the point is about it being repeat I think that this is really more a matter of opinion if it can actually be called a repeat seeing how it adds significant value compared to suggestions you call similar than a matter that goes against rules

And I am gonna sleep now so if you wish to continue this discussion I will be here again at around 11 am CET

[clear stump]

yeah not a problem i guess good night

and if you think it's useful, send it to the monster ideas channel :)

@snow geode the second bit is probably feedback, but why would you deserve rewards for not completing the objective of killing the fugitive? If you're getting points, that's rewarded by completing attacks, 25 coins per attack + cells

[dapper oyster]

Xlsx file extension is macro disabled, though excel would prompt before running macros on a file from the internet anyway

[snow geode]

I meant you should still move onto the leauge, and i would get that if it was automatic and we knew where the boss was from the start but no, if you go the whole game without finding it you can proceed to the next round however if you find it in the last couple of minutes you are dead

[dapper oyster]

And they can always unzip it first if they want to check anything

[snow geode]

It’s impossible to beat unless you have extremely good units

[dapper oyster]

And you want to move up a league to an even harder fugitive

Smart

[snow geode]

Or just not fight it at all, its also a smart life style eating McDonald’s 24/7

[vocal notch]

mcdonalds 24/7 is anything BUT a smart life style

[snow geode]

Lol

[clear stump]

If you're not fighting it, you're not even attempting to complete the objective, so you shouldn't be allowed to progress

[snow geode]

I understand but the first bit is understandable to say the least

[clear stump]

if you cant find a fugi in 24h is not the game's fault

[snow geode]

My goal isnt to find fugi its to avoid it 😹🫵

[vocal notch]

??

[snow geode]

When did I say the issue was to find him

[vocal notch]

ur goal is to literally find it and kill it

[snow geode]

You can progress without killing him

[vocal notch]

yes

[snow geode]

So long as you have the requirments

[vocal notch]

but someones gotta kill him

and if u cant/wont or anyone else then what will u do

[dapper oyster]

Bro wants to play hide and seek

[vocal notch]

bro wants to hide in the tiles and have the fugi find him instead

[dapper oyster]

Can I go up in trophies when I lose PvP fights as well as win them please, I need a participation medal

[snow geode]

Thats not at all what I said, I said I want certain rewards I dont want to find fugi so I can progress

[snow geode]

I usually get paired up with ppl even worse than me so thats going to be an issue

[vocal notch]

and then when u progress to an even more difficult boss youll repeat the exact same process again

can barely damage it

[clear stump]

the leaving thing isn't good either, everyone would leave until they find someone they know they can co op with

[vocal notch]

chances are youll still end up with people that cant kill it

[vocal notch]

^^^^

[clear stump]

which then puts casual players at a massive disadvantage

especially if they dont discord or fb messenger

[vocal notch]

everyone would be hopping all over the place since a lot of people now just camp and wait for fugi kill

[snow geode]

Make passes to leave you start with 3 passes and obtain one a day

And it caps at 5

[clear stump]

still, nah

you're still at the mercy of matchmaking

[snow geode]

Still yea, idc if your one of the only ppl that disagrees with the idea, the world doesn’t revolve around you

[clear stump]

if you use a "pass" and then get put into the same lobby?

lol ok buddy

people are allowed to disagree

[snow geode]

Its still a decent idea

[vocal notch]

brody we're just trynna explain to u why it wouldnt be a good idea

[clear stump]

to you

[vocal notch]

and realistically a lot of people would disagree with that

for the reasons explained up above

[clear stump]

all you're doing is making the issue of bad matchmaking worse

[snow geode]

Welp thats not up to us its monster legends because if in some different time line they go with it you cant do anything about it 😭🫵

[vocal notch]

okay?

[snow geode]

Ppl will still like it realistically so they dont get paired up with extremely bad ppl

I can invision ppl using it

[vocal notch]

people would use it

[clear stump]

you will still be subject to the exact same matchmaking that you would both before and using your "pass"

[snow geode]

Why wouldn’t i its the same idea

[clear stump]

so you will still be at the exact same risk of being paired with a level 93 2kmp person who got lucky to be paired with you

[vocal notch]

clown emote me all you want, ur talking like they'd look at your idea and implement it when far better ideas and suggestions have gone under the radar completely

[clear stump]

someone cannot take a disagreement

[vocal notch]

lol

[clear stump]

"🫵 😭 "

[dapper oyster]

Wait until they dm you random nonsense

[snow geode]

Its a couple of ppl telling me this like they have the voice of everyone 😭🫵

[clear stump]

been there done that

[snow geode]

Nah that was just you tbh

[dapper oyster]

Aww do you have a crush on me

[vocal notch]

i can speak for a lot of people in this regard since most of us have the same opinions about stuff like this

[snow geode]

Not in a million years

[clear stump]

did anyone here say that? no
you're the one saying "people will use it" so and so forth

this is a discussion channel, people can and will discuss things they see to point out the positives and negatives

[snow geode]

And your using statistics like you have interviewed a large sum of ppl, so as far as I know your the only ones saying this

[clear stump]

wdym im using statistics

i'm using basic logical thinking lol

matchmaking needs changing first and foremost

[snow geode]

.

[vocal notch]

its true

[snow geode]

That wouldnt happen due to the “passes”

[snow geode]

I dont care maybe they can implement the idea and make it better

[vocal notch]

theres no making this better

[clear stump]

i mean the idea isn't there anymore so

[wind willow]

[clear stump]

also that's not stats that's basic logical thinking

[wind willow]

I feel like everytime I open this server there’s some new argument happening in this channel specifically lmao

[dapper oyster]

We have to be very vocal about what we specifically do not want

[vocal notch]

^^

[wind willow]

I feel that. Wanna give me a quick summary about what happened just now? I don’t have time to go up and read all that

[vocal notch]

guy suggests not so good idea
we calmly and respectfully explain to him why its not a good idea
he starts getting mad

[dapper oyster]

Someone is failing bh leagues so wants a way to progress to harder leagues or abandon their current one

[vocal notch]

hes a newgen im sure he'll understand later on when he makes some progress

[wind willow]

Wait so there’s saying they should automatically go to a higher league because he’s failing his current one?

That’s the most backwards logic ever😭 like I understand wanting to go back down to a previous league if you ended up in a way higher BH league than he should’ve but being promoted?

[dapper oyster]

Hopefully they learn how to talk to people first, or there will be no help

[vocal notch]

good point

[signal lance]

Pretty much

I still remember that one idea someone had to make a Pierce Talent and to turn CDA into a status effect

[dapper oyster]

Didn’t they just want a visual indication of being CDAd

[clear stump]

it's always the personal attacks

so funny

[dapper oyster]

Check dms

[signal lance]

Iirc no, the guys straight up wanted CDA to be an effect like other controls

[clear stump]

2nd funniest thing i've seen all week

[clear stump]

Erx discovers the Trophy Boost mechanic

[torn berry]

Make bounty hunt easy for high lv player

[bold isle]

Delete bh

[clear stump]

@clear terrace are you looking at Fandom? That's an unofficial website and probably not a good reference to use for feedback

Also not sure what the point of it was

[clear terrace]

Ye that is why I did specify I’m not sure if it’s the actual traits

[clear terrace]

Idk I just thought they might change it

Like they did with the lion ancestor

[dapper oyster]

check in game

[clear terrace]

Ye I did after sending the pic

That’s why I didn’t remove

But someone else has removed my msg which I’m guessing was Isabelle

[clear stump]

I don't delete feedbacks

Because I can't

If you want to make a point, better to state the point outright rather than just "if so..." and using an unofficial source to back you up, use the actual ingame info or the announced spreadsheet

[clear terrace]

Alr I understand abt the sources
But I think the “if so…” conveys what I’m tryna say. It’s kinda a no brainer.

So can I send my msg again using game sources?

[dapper oyster]

what are you suggesting they change it to? what don't you like about it?

[clear stump]

No, it really doesn't, it could br saying "this monster is too OP and needs nerfing"

You should say what you want to say rather than beat around the bush

[clear stump]

This too. Are you saying replace with Magnetised Immune or something like Control Immune?

Otherwise there's no point leaving any feedback bc it isn't even feedback at that point, I don't think devs are mibdreaders

[clear terrace]

Well that’s up to the sp on the replacement trait but
Trait protection on the monster is just dumb cuz the traits are team blind protect and hardened

[clear stump]

It would be dumb if it was protecting Status Casters and nothing else

Hardened is still a pretty neat trait to have

And an aoe trait. Even if its just blind immune. Don't count it out

[dapper oyster]

yup, blind is so annoying in battle

[clear terrace]

Not really it’s the worst status protection trait

And the chances are pretty low

[dapper oyster]

trait protecting area blind immune is very worth it to me

[clear stump]

And then when you need to hit a control to win the fight you miss because of it

[clear terrace]

I mean ur correct abt that but this is the newest ancestral so in MOST cases it should be faster then other monsters especially monsters that are currently being used rn with trait disable

[dapper oyster]

why does that matter?

[clear stump]

Why would it need to be faster than a trait disable mon if it has trait protection

[clear terrace]

No sorry I meant to write more I accidentally sent it

[clear stump]

The trait disable mon can't do the thing

[dapper oyster]

TD monster with speed runes will be faster than whatsherface with team speed

can put more strength runes on your attacker in wars because they can't be blinded

[clear terrace]

What your saying is true but for most cases it’s usually not that helpful
Rn like mater is meta and she has a lot of blind skills but shes apparently slowly loosing her meta place. Also from my experience monsters that can do blind are easily rendered useless by mega taunt monsters like king autumn and the new lion ancestor

Sorry for slow msgs I’m typing on my phone

[dapper oyster]

not when they aren't in the war restrictions they aren't

[clear stump]

Bottom line is if you think it's useless you should state that directly in the feedback

[clear terrace]

Well ye but wars are one thing

[cobalt horizon]

They are part of the game.

And I actually thought your original post may have meant it was too much, not the you thought it was useless.

Feedback needs to actually include what you mean.

[clear terrace]

Ye but I think majority of the community when they see an ancestor would expect it to be good all around especially the new generations of ancestors. I am not saying this ancestor isn’t good for ml cuz from the seems of it her skills are pretty neat but her traits are mainly useful in specific scenarios which aren’t that common

[clear terrace]

Alr I understand mb

[dapper oyster]

Matt Stina

[livid cave]

I have just been informed stina's awakened is a megalobot reskin instead. The smoke fumes are the exact same

[vocal notch]

megalobot an axolmech reskin*

mega is corrupted axolmech is og/cosmic

[clear stump]

Cosmic

It's a total stinker how some of these designs are genuinely really cool but they're recycled content to an extent

I sort of get its easier so and so forth but come on. It shouldn't be done for the biggest selling points. Do it for something like Battle Pass/PVP mons or bring back Quest/Frat breeding if you need to recycle content lol

[dapper oyster]

Wasn’t Matt stonie sponsored?

[clear stump]

Yes, its a YouTube mon

[dapper oyster]

And they reused his skin

Doesn’t seem legal

They can do that but not let me rank up maggie

[clear stump]

I mean SP probably retains design rights and stuff, as part of their agreement
TWD on the other hand is a full fledged trademarked and cppyrighted thing, although I'd assume Matt Stonie etc is so I don't understand why they're treated different
On the other hand i think with these it's more reusing the Spine model with different assets pasted on? Not just simple resting like Mishka -> Undead Mr Beast

[lean kelp]

Matt Stonie was a monster originally designed and made by them and then offered to be named after him in a sponsorship

collab monsters with contracts and agreements are completely different

[clear stump]

Like the designs are distinct and individual, until you look st the animations and "skeleton"

[clear stump]

Yeah Dielab -> Morgz style

[lean kelp]

and Schildon -> Hacksmith

[clear stump]

TWD I assume SP had to request permission to use the IP, rather than offer to use

[lean kelp]

yep

all of their descriptions have copyright tags and AMC's name on them, unlike all of the youtuber monsters

[wind willow]

@raw swan Only downside to your idea is that with the gem discounts, people would just wait and buy the gem discount for $13 instead of the pass for $20. That’s -$7 out of SP pockets for everyone who decides to do that instead, so I doubt SP would implement your idea. Although, maybe SP could add a material that you could get and spend on the legend pass besides gems

[signal lance]

Another thing to note is how Tast and Surveys would affect it. Some players would literally never have to buy the pass for like 12+ seasons after doing 1 task

[wind willow]

Yeah there’s a task that will give you 2k gems if you donate $20 to a charity

[signal lance]

Thats basically 6 LP's for 20$

[fresh ore]

the treasure rooms 15 and above all do have a chance of giving you tickets though

unless you want to replace the free monster and xii rune

[vocal notch]

hes implying for them to be more likely to show up

since theyre not guaranteed

and sometimes for some people caves can be absolute dogwater and not have tickets in bonus rooms

[fresh ore]

id just prefer them to be guaranteed at that point

[vocal notch]

idk if this is just placebo or if there was an actual change done but back in alpine/multiverse days, tickets felt like they were in bonus rooms a lot more often than nowadays

[vocal notch]

imo ideally they should have higher chances of showing up but make it to where at least one bonus room per cave instance has guaranteed tickets

the amount of cave runs with not a single ticket in any bonus room is honestly a lot higher than it should be

[clear stump]

Possibly changed when Baba dropped due to Conjuring rates being buffed, and Eggs becoming uncraftable?

[vocal notch]

im assuming it was the same for alpine too (not sure since i came back to the game in multiverse) but in multiverse it definetly felt like tickets were showing up more often

[weak bridge]

@lucid tulip thats why its called general feedback, im not stating its a fact is something i think should be added.

[raw swan]

Kind of the hope, would make glp’s cheaper and more accessible, not everyone can freely spend as they please

Also even if it’s like 500 gems or so, cause you also get 150 gems back from the pass

[clear stump]

@lilac mauve one idea per message would be a massive benefit, so people can upvote/downvote what they think is a good idea

if you want to send a few per hours to avoid him, go for it, but 25 in one message isn't going to get much reaction

[wind willow]

I agree, but gems wouldn’t be the right resource for buying it. If SP made a separate resource that players can grind for, and save up to buy the glp it would be better. I like that idea, it would just be too easy if it was with gems.

[dapper oyster]

also a repost

posted it 9th december

[clear stump]

A few of them might be. I've given sufficient "warning" atp

[lilac mauve]

many ideas are reposted 👍

[dapper oyster]

Against the rules of the channel

[cobalt horizon]

@harsh plume bug reporting is more appropriate

[harsh plume]

I excluded from the feedback channel

[void wigeon]

Everyone had a bad day bro 😭 try again some other time

[karmic fable]

Oh, my bad. Wasn’t thinking

[signal lance]

I wanna give an example of how busted Double Speed is.

For the longest time, Haste, an effect that boost speed by an additional 50%, has no mon that applies it reliably yet any time it gets applied to a mon via random positive effects it is the bane of existence for both players 9/10 as the sudden change in speed messes up turn order calculations in the game, as in skipping over 2-3 mons turns, causing so many players to genuinly despise this effect

[wind willow]

If there was a double speed thing, so many different effects and monsters would be ruined, since Extra Turn skills would become useless since the double speed would essentially provide extra turns permanently x10.

[void wigeon]

We have double stamina and double speed is a bad idea and way too overpowered

💀😭

[signal lance]

The fact Haste is already hated really shows it

[dapper oyster]

is haste still broken?

it used to give the fastest monster an extra turn at the start of battle, regardless of who it's on

does it still do that

[signal lance]

Yup

And it still skips turns... for some god reason

[slim magnet]

@boreal vault Dont forget to précise that only teamtes can see it lol

[wanton orbit]

I think Master goldfield has double stamina too

[vocal notch]

doomed goldfield my beloved

he was underrated

[dapper oyster]

froma had double stamina, was great for the quest dungeon

[clear stump]

I really need to comb through the ideas

[vocal notch]

@long juniper theyre reworking duels. itll be back eventually, we dont know when

[long juniper]

Oh okay, thanks

[signal lance]

Oh yeah, that thing has been underworks for like 3 months now

[clear stump]

No guarantee they'll return.

This is why I say I gotta go through that channel.

[rich ingot]

They're giving live duels the exotic land treatment

[dapper oyster]

so they'll be back in 2 years?

[rich ingot]

Assuming they didn't forget about it like titan dungeons.. very likely

[dapper oyster]

who said they forgot about titan dungeons? we had 2 very different betas for those

[rich ingot]

it's been 5 months since they announced the thing. Pretty safe to assume they scrapped the idea

[vocal notch]

2 betas, they announce it like its a full feature coming out and then just straight up gets forgotten

[dapper oyster]

scrapped and forgotten are two very different things

[vocal notch]

Which one is it

Which one did they do

[dapper oyster]

didn't have to do either, could just be assessing it before it comes back

[vocal notch]

Whats the point in them making an entire announcement for it if theyre just gonna pull it back to refine it

[dapper oyster]

well the first time it was bugged

[vocal notch]

U dont really announce stuff unless its final

[dapper oyster]

people complain when they announce stuff and complain when they don't

can't win

[vocal notch]

A large portion of the people dont even know what they want

They should just try doing the right thing

[clear stump]

I wish they would bring it back, would certainly give something to do during the more passive events like tales and maze.

[dapper oyster]

loading one dungeon and pressing auto for 3 minutes gives you something to do?

[clear stump]

One for relics, one for runes, one for gems?

[dapper oyster]

all 3 were for different rarity relics weren't they?

[clear stump]

Yeah

[dapper oyster]

still 9 minutes if you do all 3

that's something to do during one poo, what about all the others

[clear stump]

Not all of us are privileged enough to hit auto on the top one 🤣

[dapper oyster]

first time it came back it wasn't difficult because it didn't have immune to control

it was meant to, but didn't

second time it came back it was a bit more difficult because that was fixed but there were auto teams for it

I think I ended up doing it manually but it was that goat race monster for CDA, someone for stamina regeneration, and primerion for using restore cooldowns

repeat that 15 times

[rich ingot]

Oh come on that's peak gameplay right there. Letting the game plays itself for you for 3 minutes

[dapper oyster]

I mean, if the dungeon was repeatable then it would be, making speed teams for dungeons is very fun in raid

[rich ingot]

Raid shadow legends?

[dapper oyster]

yea

[rich ingot]

that's just blatant plagiarism. Sp should sue them fr fr

[dapper oyster]

if you say so

[mint knot]

Still no Live Duels?

When BH and Race aren't happening, this game has no "game" to play

Adventure Map doesn't get updated too often, Dungeons are repetitive and unrewarding, PvP stamina takes over 3 hours to get 1 battle in, and nothing else to do

I basically log on to collect food, check lab and hatchery and log off, there's nothing to do here

Even with Live Duels there isn't much but atleast it's something

In a time where everyone got bored of how repetitive Historia was, we looked to Feral for a new wave of fresh content and more effort into the game, but what we get is the same thing but worse, they're even reskinning ancestors now. The lack of effort is showing

[dapper oyster]

they said they might not even come back

[mint knot]

Baffling 😂

[dapper oyster]

repetitive dungeons can be a good thing

allow us to run a relic dungeon on repeat with a slim chance to get obsidian or ancestral relics

[mint knot]

Thats a good idea

[dapper oyster]

same loot as raid

have to keep rerunning it to get something half decent

[mint knot]

I'm more for making an "extreme" dificulty dungeon that's more rewarding

They already have easy medium and hard

[dapper oyster]

meh

[mint knot]

Make them Survival Dungeons with random restrictions

[dapper oyster]

anything rewarding would have to be one time only

[mint knot]

Why

[dapper oyster]

because it's rewarding

[mint knot]

And the game should reward you

For a challenge

[dapper oyster]

not often

[mint knot]

Says who?

[dapper oyster]

common sense

[mint knot]

Common sense says that players should be motivated to play the game, and proficiency should be rewarded

You get rewarded once a month in this game when BH rolls around

[dapper oyster]

more often you get rewarded, the more the rewards become worthless

[mint knot]

Disagree wholeheartedly but ok

[dapper oyster]

supply and demand

[mint knot]

The demand for gems in this game, is much higher than what the game supply the game offers. You get 30 gems a week from dungeons yet it costs 25 to get a single Level 10 removed.

[dapper oyster]

exactly, so the more they supply, the less gems are worth

[mint knot]

Getting more gems in a harder dungeon doesn't make gems less valuable, it supplies the game's bloated economy

[dapper oyster]

they've bloated the economy on purpose

[mint knot]

Doesn't make it a good decision

[dapper oyster]

certainly doesn't make it a bad one

[mint knot]

It is on purpose, and it's a dumb idea

If this game had less of those maybe it wouldn't be bleeding players

[dapper oyster]

bleeding players that aren't buying the gems they made more valuable

[mint knot]

Nah, I'm talking about people who pay. Events now are so easy to get into the top, because the players who'd spent copious ammounts of resources to get there are fewer in number now.

[dapper oyster]

citation needed

[mint knot]

Every event I can get into the top 2k without even trying, completely F2P. That used to be impossible because there were more than 2 thousand whales who had spent absurd amounts of resources to get their numbers up

[dapper oyster]

huh

growth spurt?

[mint knot]

That's for every single event, I shouldn't be in the top 2k in gold collection with my unoptimized gold setup, nore should I be in the top 2k for getting two level 10 Runes

15M is the requirement for the 10 gems, and usually 20M is enough for top 2k

[dapper oyster]

people have been doing top 5k for 2 level 10 runes for years

growth spurt isn't worth the effort

[mint knot]

None of them are

The game isn't worth the effort

[dapper oyster]

so why do you think people have left rather than just not trying?

[mint knot]

Not even the devs think so

[dapper oyster]

citation needed

[dapper oyster]

don't play it then

[mint knot]

Play the game

[dapper oyster]

I do

[mint knot]

You realize how that's not how criticism works right?

[dapper oyster]

why criticise

[mint knot]

The game isn't gonna die when people like me are complaining about it all the time, it dies when people who are passionate stop caring enough to complain, and leave

[dapper oyster]

and it hasn't died

[mint knot]

It's when the discord becomes dry, and content ceases to be made on the game

[mint knot]

It's heading down that path

[dapper oyster]

the game has a higher facebook following than discord following

[dapper oyster]

every game is heading to its inevitible death

just like every human

[mint knot]

Yeah guess I'll just stop eating then

Eating too much would make food less rewarding

[dapper oyster]

you do you

false equivalence

[mint knot]

Bro you are a caricature

I'm done with this lol

[dapper oyster]

cool

people giving away food for free would make the value of that food drop

[mint knot]

"Value of the food" bro it's food 😭😭 people need to eat

[dapper oyster]

and to get it you have to pay

[mint knot]

Oh my lord

Surprisingly descriptive commentary on how you view the world

Kinda messed up

[dapper oyster]

if a supermarket gives a free apple to every customer, that customer is going to buy one less apple

it's just logic

[mint knot]

I believe the customer getting one more apple is more important than the supermarket losing one apple

[dapper oyster]

absolutely, but they still need to sell apples

[mint knot]

Sell a bundle with 10 apples and a sandwich

But give them their apple

[dapper oyster]

like buying mater and 50 gems for $25?

[mint knot]

25$? That's wild

Not worth it

[dapper oyster]

exactly

[mint knot]

Yeah

Make the bundle better and you can have better F2P rewards

Maybe a Rank 3 Mater and 50 gems for 25$

[dapper oyster]

when everyone that spends already has r5 mater

exactly

[mint knot]

Maybe with an offer like that, someone breaks their F2P streak

[dapper oyster]

someone broke their 6 year f2p streak to buy the r0 mater deal

[mint knot]

Yeah

[dapper oyster]

morely likely at take two

[mint knot]

Cool, imagine if it was a better deal

[dapper oyster]

no idea why they didn't buy the r5 for 100 deal

that comes with runes and a relic or something

[mint knot]

Because 100$ on a mobile game is crazy work

[dapper oyster]

depends how much $100 means to you

I could have bought a car with how much I spent on raid

[mint knot]

Especially for a monster you can get to R5 F2P, 3 mediocre runes and 850 of a resource you need 9k of for it to be good

[mint knot]

Yeah man most people don't do that.

[dapper oyster]

but you need the people that do to keep the game alive

[mint knot]

Sure, but those people aren't the only income source. You make a game for whales, it has a shorter lifespan, that's just how it is

Glad you're enjoying the whale gameplay, the other 99% of players are not

[dapper oyster]

afk arena is for whales, raid is for whales, neither of them have died

all the city builders are for whales, they have to keep making new servers so people can whale multiple times

I'm just happy playing this game like pokémon, trying to get everything r5, and enjoying racing with my team

a few hundred a month is fine for me

[mint knot]

Good for you man

[dapper oyster]

good for the game too

[mint knot]

Sure

[rich ingot]

It's designed to be a cash grab but the problem is.. how is this game getting new players? I doubt any person with a functional brain would recommend this game to anyone.. ever. Even if they did, the sloppy and repetitive contents would surely kill off their interest in 2 weeks of playtime

[dapper oyster]

probably show an ad with a completely different game on it

[rich ingot]

it could work but what will keep them staying for long term? I cannot figure out what this game's selling point is to keep them newcomers engaging ngl

[mint knot]

It used to have selling points

The gameplay loop was fun in the older Eras

The game felt rewarding for F2P and P2W

[dapper oyster]

people join, have no idea what is going on, buy stupid offers and then get bored

[dapper oyster]

what's different to the gameplay loop now?

nemesis survival dungeon was rewarding and good, quest survival dungeon is the equivalent of the era saga, quest days dungeon was very low reward but also decent

[mint knot]

Maze and Free Pass gave good monsters which opened up era sagas and cool talents. Events felt meaningful. It was cool as a F2P player to log on everyday to get a new monster, and know it can compete.

[dapper oyster]

the bad thing about that is that they cost 8900 resources to get to r5

the card flip monsters are irritating all the paying players because they have to waste resources on them to get the book rewards

what good maze and free pass monsters were there?

[mint knot]

Since runes weren't as absurd, you could have them at Rank 3 and still have them be viable.

[vocal notch]

i only remember shadowyna from maze

[dapper oyster]

spekthra too

[dapper oyster]

MLCW only ranked monsters at r5 for a reason

r3 is 1/4 of a monster

[mint knot]

Speaking just from Corrupted, you had Kenrei, Pure Pandalf, Stalkiller, Spekthra, Anwrikah, Wangzhou, Pangoliath

Just off the top of my head

[dapper oyster]

no, no, meh, yes, no, no, yes

[mint knot]

?

[dapper oyster]

in terms of how good they were

[mint knot]

😐

[dapper oyster]

i might upgrade pure pandalf to meh actually

[mint knot]

😐

[rich ingot]

The gameplay can't be that bad

I used to think if you play to collect stuff just for the sake of collecting stuff then it's no big deal but then I learned that they lock most of the new stuff behind the conjuring

[dapper oyster]

1 monster is locked behind conjuring

[rich ingot]

the average joe won't like that

[dapper oyster]

and we've swapped from having 13 monsters a month to like 8

[rich ingot]

is that a good thing?

[dapper oyster]

kinda

swings and roundabouts

[rich ingot]

right into the game's abdomen

[dapper oyster]

they got rid of the free bounty hunt monster, maze, quest, free pass

but then made the paid bounty hunt monster f2p

all all the free monsters from before were a right pain to rank up

so you missed out on all the runes

they've made it extremely lucrative for anyone willing to buy all 3 passes and complete the event board

[rich ingot]

that's like 70 dabloons every month

[dapper oyster]

60 plus a lot of gems

[wind willow]

@grizzled creek once again with an absolute HORRENDOUS take 💔

[signal lance]

I'm waiting for the guy to make the "Monster Speed Dating" idea

[clear stump]

@long juniper if you're wanting them to remove the activity hub and revert it to the old battle menu, that's not an idea, that's feedback

[long juniper]

Oh, then mb

[grizzled creek]

It’s not bad tho

😔

[wind willow]

I’m sorry bro but it is💔

[grizzled creek]

It’d make the game so much better though 💔

[thick thunder]

dont listen to them diesel they dont understand how good your ideas are

[wanton orbit]

-# don't encourage them

[clear stump]

Ideas that are vague will get deleted

[lilac mauve]

what was your idea?

[grizzled creek]

Monster dating

[vocal notch]

[grizzled creek]

Okay I’ll make it less vague !!!

[dapper oyster]

you put a lot of effort into trolling

[grizzled creek]

Wym

[dapper oyster]

@past moat yes it does

[past moat]

despite needing a full team in the description if only the other useless ancestral relics could use their full team perks

its so bad

[dapper oyster]

all of the relics work the same way

they only check alive allies

even sticking with adventurer essence, if dumbane is in the team but dead, then torture immunity won't trigger

righteous court sword will start giving griffania evasion when she is the only one alive, because the righteous court requirements are met

[rich ingot]

very good game design

[past moat]

bit like ok lets say this from one ocation

[past moat]

evaris genza and king atum

essence triggers after defeating evaris last
??????

i understood when dumbane did it it made sense just the essence has been bugged since it released

[dapper oyster]

yup, all 0 alive are adventurers

[past moat]

OH

SORRY I DIDNT READ PROPERLY

thats awesome

and funny

and lovely

good game

[dapper oyster]

every car in an empty car park is a porsche

[rich ingot]

they should've just scrapped the "adventures" condition off because their attempt at making the game complicated is just laziness

[dapper oyster]

it won't trigger if a non-adventurer is alive at the time of it triggering

it was fun to navigate around while it was meta

[noble helm]

yap sech

[noble helm]

@errant hatch why not all 3?

[errant hatch]

They do blossom for weekends and galactic on week days, so i guess they could do 3 🤷🏾‍♂️

[noble helm]

rotations every week

[dapper oyster]

@wind willow they'd make them take up a treasure room, meaning you'd have fewer chances at gold keys and tickets

[wind willow]

That would be the only downside. Ideally, the runes and relics would be pots mixed in with the bonus rooms, but that wouldn’t be as likely

[dapper oyster]

Yea, monkey paw wishes

[wind willow]

Still, I wouldn’t mind sacrificing a room or 2 for some high level runes and relics

[dapper oyster]

ticket prices would shoot up

[wind willow]

That too. They could also put the caves on a rotation, where like 2/7 are runes and relics cave, with the same tickets on the bonus rooms, and then the rest of the days are the regular caves

[raw swan]

@errant hatch Honestly they should add winter and keep wielders, also, no more immune to effects traits for him, sc is good or itt

[errant hatch]

They have a big consistency thing with the 4 book limit for ancestors, including their era book and faction

It's stupid but it's the same reason tideborn isn't in sea and a ton of other wielders aren't in weilders

[raw swan]

Oh damn

Would like him in both tbh cause him in wielders is a major help, but so would winter

[errant hatch]

Maybe weilders and winter instead of good legions?

The good legions is pretty helpful for his plot though

[raw swan]

Yeah

All are good :/

[halcyon wing]

Good idea, make all ancestors go over their respective book limits, theres only so few ancestors

[wind willow]

It would also allow for some of the lesser used ancestors to be more viable in wars

[signal lance]

Debatable

[dapper oyster]

@lucid tulip you think most players have all warmasters at r5?

[thorny cobalt]

that's what I'm sayin

I feel like the orb's should be removed entirely to make it easier for newer players to get warmasters if they wanna

[dapper oyster]

As soon as they release dungeon raider to everyone, I'll be buying the remaining orbs I need

[vocal notch]

Counteroffer: more sources and bigger numbers of heroic orbs

[dapper oyster]

yea bring back the nemesis survival dungeon

[vocal notch]

Everything is in place for warmasters we just need bigger sources of orbs

[clear stump]

Please yes lmao
Bump up the rewards to make it match where we are now ie obsidian chest rewards, but I'd love to see stuff like NSD return

[dapper oyster]

I'd be happy with the 40 gems and the diamond relic if it gave the 800 heroic orbs

quest days dungeon for bronze relics, some quest monster cells and 20 gems

[lucid tulip]

Ok, not all players have them but a good majority of players

[rich ingot]

I doubt even a fraction of them have a single wm r5

[vocal notch]

have a single warmaster*

let alone a ranked one

[errant hatch]

Next to the battle request on a friends list maybe there could be trade request

And you need lvl 75 to unlock trading or smth

[dapper oyster]

you use to be able to gift stuff to fb friends, but it didn't take anything away from you, and was something pointless

[errant hatch]

I remember some sort of "ask for stamina" thing

Is that still around?

[dapper oyster]

don't know

when the adventure map first increased from 440 nodes, the 3 end of island bosses they added were giftable

you couldn't hatch them, they were just stuck in your storage

[clear stump]

@neon lance lol remember when

talos, warthak?

[dapper oyster]

two warthaks i think

there were 3 of them right?

[neon lance]

lmaoo lemme try to find the pics.

[clear stump]

I have this lol

Throwback to old font

[karmic fable]

Lmao

[clear stump]

We tried it way back when, the eggs got removed subsequently but still funny

[neon lance]

i think the game just crashed if you tried to claim/open the lab lol.

i remember it acted funny in some way.

[clear stump]

there was this, i don't know if you could Craft

[clear stump]

Reading DMs from that time is wild

I think I have Draco/Mujahid added somewhere still

I saw an SS of me using Koralle Marquis Elvira and I realised I don't remember their individual skills anymore

[neon lance]

thats so nostalgic.

[clear stump]

I would say "Take me back" but that's all Covid days so... 🥴 rose tinted glasses

[errant hatch]

Crazy throwbacks

[clear stump]

fr

[dapper oyster]

yea it did a forced reload

[rich ingot]

i think resource dungeons should have a single node instead of multiple ones. It has gotten to the point where sitting through them is probably the hardest part.. all for a pitiful 5 gems

[dapper oyster]

coa also

they should mkae the dungeons 3 nodes though so that it lines up with the daily goal

and make the daily goal to just do 3 nodes, not to use 3 stamina

[clear stump]

@runic tartan, please use this channel #ideas-feedback-discussion to respond to the submitted ideas. Helps keep the submitting channel clean.

The old music idea has also been previously submitted, Red Barry

[rich ingot]

Game balancing and monsters legends don't go well together

But powercreep does

[clear stump]

i do think they could bring back Buffed Island on an era-by-era basis

[livid cave]

It really is a shame monster viability is more based on stats than skills nowadays. If you compared the skills of an ancestor today with a Mediocre monster from doomsday or Galactic era, id predict the old gen mythic would have better skills. I understand its done to "simplify" the game, but then where's the strategy in general

Viability is based more on traits and relics for newer monsters which makes skills kinda unnecessary

Case in point: saberus

[dapper oyster]

if every monster released is well designed, then the only thing they have for them is stats

[rich ingot]

whatever boosts sales

[clear stump]

@karmic fable that's feedback, and you could probably specify which cutscene is confusing and why

[clear stump]

@runic tartan, this is the channel you use for responding to something you see in #general-feedback :)

[cobalt horizon]

Please feel free to place your own feedback. Responses to other's feedback should be here.

[dapper oyster]

@runic tartan only thing with increasing the number of farms you can have is that farms are bigger than ancestor habitats, so it's just a spot for an ancestor rather than a farm

[runic tartan]

but if they were to add more islands there would be more space for farms and habitats

[dapper oyster]

they should give us an island that you can only place the breeders, hatchery and vault on, and have the premium extra hatch slot attach to it, and give us another island that you can only place farms on

[runic tartan]

I honestly dont understand why they dont just add more islands, surely they have to add more islands eventually because if we reach say 4,000 monsters in the game and monst vault only hold 3,000 then surely they would need to add more islands for more room or else players wouldnt be able to collect all the monsters, or just expand the vault but I think adding islands would be the best option

[dapper oyster]

they increase the amount of vault slots periodically

mama's just maxed out her vault, so will probably be soon

I say just, it was a month ago now

I've only got 2462 slots

and it's only half full

including my race prep for way too many laps

so no need for new islands yet, if just for space

just getting the ancestor every month gives you 3.333 vault slots

they do really need to take the annoyance out of placing buildings you need for breeding and hatching in such a place that you don't get taken on a journey around the world and back just trying to place an egg in the vault

and there needs to be a dedicated space for farms so that people aren't incentivised to replace them with ancestor habitats

I'm down to 9 farms at the moment

[clear stump]

Please yes lol

[dapper oyster]

@raw swan not the same during frat when frat bonuses are limited

also it says long term discount, not permanent

[clear stump]

Also which law are we looking at and based where?

[raw swan]

If this deal is everywhere then it doesn’t matter specifically where we look

[raw swan]

Hm, it doesn’t have a timer in game, maybe I’m wrong but it is pretty suspicious

[clear stump]

Very true I suppose, until SP implements something to determine user's region and hides the "Deal" promotion for those players

[dapper oyster]

news says long term discounts

and that is the price that it would have been set to undiscounted

[raw swan]

They can say that, without posting an end time

It’s all a little odd, since usually there would be a timer, and if it’s long term, why not say the time it’ll be up for? I mean they had a deal that went on for a few months, and said that then

I’m down to remove that part from the post anytime, but I would like to understand it first

[clear stump]

If you tap the Crocark offer, it does say 59 days left out of however long it was. There's no timer in ingame news or the shop for the gems in contrast. In other news, the news says "all packs have long-term discounts now" which isnt true, the 25 gem pack doesnt lol

[clear stump]

@broken hollow already requested :')

[broken hollow]

oh cool, thanks!

[clear stump]

P sure i already asked support about it and they said no plans

[void wigeon]

@past moat u get your point bc people snipe too much but bh is not luck based

[clear stump]

Depends on your ai and whether you roll the right Elemental haters or not, I'd call that luck

[void wigeon]

Ai is the same for everyone

And yeah ig element haters but that’s also the same for everyone if don’t get it that one time you get it another time when other didn’t

[cobalt horizon]

Random elemental haters are due to the team you chose. There are always options that don't have this.

[clear stump]

Fairs lol

I mean I don't have Henrich Solerioth :')

[dapper oyster]

he's available from conjuring

[clear stump]

Send me some tickets and I'll have a crack 👍

[dapper oyster]

wish i could

[clear stump]

I'm still gem broke, hopefully now I'm not hitting with a wet paper towel I'll get smth going

[void wigeon]

Yeah exactly bh is not luck based but I like the start

[clear stump]

New #submit-ideas pinned to come in the next few days 👀

[dapper oyster]

why in a few days?

what do you know about the next season that we are going to be upset about

[hollow walrus]

Can we get an easier way to get seasonal tickets

Not just the cave

[dapper oyster]

they are available for money, and they are era tickets now, they were already made 6 times easier

[hollow walrus]

Please socialpoint

But its so pay to win

I wish we could get a better way to get era tickets

[dapper oyster]

pay to keep the servers alive

[hollow walrus]

I wish there was a way to get them without having to pay

[dapper oyster]

there is, cave

and the event board

[hollow walrus]

Like maybe a dungeon or something

[dapper oyster]

dungeon would give what? 100 tickets a day for 20 nodes?

make the current era COA give 5 tickets per node

still got to find 7300 tickets from somewhere else, if you manage to complete it every day

ah that's 125 tickets per day, still 6600 tickets to find per month

[clear stump]

https://tenor.com/view/shade-tea-sip-gif-14398127

Nothing

I'm just busy but! It's an objective of mine now lol

[dapper oyster]

following on from @fresh ore:
if an egg every 70 pulls is too much, just make it so that it only happens the one time if you don't get an egg before it

[errant hatch]

How did avartia go from stealing gems to souls 💀

[near current]

that cup empty 🔥 no need to slurp

[near current]

its still a good feature its nice to bring that back bc it was so hard

[dapper oyster]

@void wigeon but if they are used it's because people already have them at a high rank, putting monsters in that everyone already has would make for a worse shop experience

[void wigeon]

They put every monster multiple times so they clearly don’t do it based off that

Superfume been there many times too

[dapper oyster]

we had 2 duplicated shops when they changed the pvp pattern to 3 months instead of 1 month

I'm saying about the "you guys know the use rates" part

if they are used, people already have them

and even if you go off how often they are used just by people that have them, you're likely disincentivising whales with the shops (not that they aren't doing that now), how does it make them money?

[lean kelp]

@loud raptor Jestin is also single element

[cobalt horizon]

Jestin is double light

[dapper oyster]

still only fits in one restriction I think the point is

[cobalt horizon]

Yes, but I liked double gold boost.

[dapper oyster]

yea

[dapper oyster]

@raw swan you can't wait 1 week?

[raw swan]

When a new ancestor comes out after bh, and a new season starts with all new monsters, it’s more ideal to have it after bh, I can wait a week but it’s makes more sense to have it after bh (imo)

[dapper oyster]

Those monsters all have a hatch time

If you are skipping the hatch time you don’t need the rune discount that early, if you aren’t then you can wait a few days

[raw swan]

Why wouldn’t you need it if you skip the hatch time?

It’s also a simple idea, not gonna hurt anyone lol

[dapper oyster]

Because you can offline trick the rune slots

[raw swan]

The point is for removing runes, slot fest is just the name of that, not really interested in discounted slots

[dapper oyster]

then I don't get what the new monsters have to do with anything?

discounted rune removal is in the same event as discounted rune slot unlocking, it's better to be a week later from the new monsters so you don't have to rush their hatch

don't know why you'd want to bring it forward a week for runes on 3 monsters, and you're probably only removing the runes on 1 of them

[clear stump]

Waiting on the new ancestor design comparisons... surprised there hasn't been a dramatic feedback yet lol

[dapper oyster]

it's just gardelion with a throne

@livid cave have you compared it to garden?

[livid cave]

Here lemme see

[dapper oyster]

the sillhouette from the MG was very garden

[livid cave]

Yeah these don't line up very well

[dapper oyster]

ok

[livid cave]

I'm happy with at least one form being original

I would like both being unique like back in historia and before that but we take what we can get

Always sucks for me when it's a reskin because cool ideas like adaled sitting on a sentient (i think its alive) throne can't be done via reskins

[dapper oyster]

i'm picturing some monster that looks similar to garden, I thought it was Azte but it's not them

[livid cave]

Yeah we checked mountezuma. Close, but still quite off, as well as mountezuma being older which to my knowledge makes it harder to reskin him. Also, any similarity is probably because of the base idea that they're both sitting on a throne

Yeah idle animation is also very off

[clear stump]

What about Khalorc and Gardenion on the Awakened?

[livid cave]

Awakened is 100% atum

[raw swan]

For example, removing 14’s from fk and other allies, so then I can move them to the new monsters if needed

[raw swan]

Like 10 monsters but whatever you say, and it’s a separate one day thing, I really don’t understand what could possibly be bad about it lol

[dapper oyster]

just have 3 spares and wait a week?

[dapper oyster]

you use 10 monsters for BH?

[raw swan]

No it’s for other monsters too

[raw swan]

No sane person has 3 spares

Only one is necessary

[dapper oyster]

I have 25 spares

https://tenor.com/view/you-better-step-up-yo-game-gif-7905583

[raw swan]

😭

[runic tartan]

the idle look very similar wym

[clear stump]

What's the cave animation change?

[errant hatch]

It gives a delay when you click a pot

They might've fixed it

[dapper oyster]

I assumed that was just server lag from everyone doing conjuring

[livid cave]

Notice Adaled's chair moves left and right, as well as he himself. Montezuma merely goes up and down. Furthermore, for their Ranged attack, mountezuma blows a bubble, while Adaled wildly slams the floor while on his chair

[errant hatch]

Further proof they're not reskinned

[thick thunder]

@snow geode 🔥

[snow geode]

Fr

[clear stump]

Monster ideas go to #monster-ideas

[rich ingot]

sp can't be fumbling this badly. Cave is the only thing keeping this game on life support :(

[clear stump]

Public outcry frfr

[rich ingot]

getting trapped on first floor is absolutely diabolical

[clear stump]

One singular ticket!!

https://tenor.com/view/chester-stone-gif-8851317497252424631

[rich ingot]

that's way too generous even for them !!

[livid cave]

Feel like I walked into nuclear fallout what did sp do to the cave dear god

Like 15 messages just today all flaming the new system is wild

Frankly 1 ticket per much more dangerous floor is a disgustingly low total. If that beta becomes standard I frankly would not bother playing anymore

[desert canopy]

And sometimes you don’t even get to 1 ticket

[rich ingot]

ml killed by corporate greed? Who could have seen that coming

[vocal notch]

beta so good its fire 🧌

[mint cape]

Ew why he move like that

[errant hatch]

Cuz he freaky

[mint cape]

hi

[errant hatch]

Can i see your profile

[mint cape]

That’s scary

[errant hatch]

Profile please

[mint cape]

?

[errant hatch]

Bro stole my team but i'll ignore it

[errant hatch]

Charchars team? 😭

[mint cape]

😭what ?

[mint cape]

Charchar team?

[mint cape]

Bro took my idea

[errant hatch]

Your jj is r4

Therefore suck

[errant hatch]

My team is better

[mint cape]

No

We’re better together

[errant hatch]

I'm not talking about you and char

[mint cape]

Huh?

No one mention char, I said me and you are better together if u didn’t know

[runic tartan]

@errant hatch hes lying 🤫

[errant hatch]

How do u have 500+ collected

[runic tartan]

I know how 😏

[clear stump]

the account he applied with is a different account to the one he just showed

ooooh, moderators!!"

[runic tartan]

lol yep

@mint cape should I tell them or u gonna tell them?

[mint cape]

By collecting monsters?😭

@cinder hearth what do ur teammates have against me😭

[mint cape]

no not my alt

[mint cape]

Wait what are you referring to?

[karmic fable]

A glance at this chat made me lose even more braincells

[cinder hearth]

What

[errant hatch]

Oooo i'm telling the modss

[slim magnet]

@errant hatch jealous?

Nah joking😂

[clear stump]

The pokemon ML comparison. And the crowd went mild 🗣️ ❓

[mint cape]

make a ninja low taper fade monster

[errant hatch]

Yes

[slim magnet]

Me too

[dapper oyster]

@void wigeon smugglers cave probably released to everyone soon, just buy that instead

[noble helm]

@runic tartan if ruined costed gold than all u would need is 9 14s and all u will see is 14s in war

2 many people spent thousands of gems getting 14s

Not happening

[dapper oyster]

it should cost gold a lot higher than L3s though, now that the levels were increased from 10 to 14

gold up to level 7s or 8s or something

[noble helm]

I agree

[dapper oyster]

real wars are fought with 9+ so keep those as gems

[clear stump]

Thought it was about time I get to rewriting that one message, it's been a while since "The Rules" were updated and with the server channel overhaul it's perfect timing 💅

Some messages still there dating back to 2018 lol

[clear stump]

@noble helm politely give it a rest

obsessive frfr

[runic tartan]

it could be a couple billion gold to remove 14’s so its very hard to do, even for top players, and you would need atleast 18 for a pvp attack and defence team

[noble helm]

u only need 9

[clear stump]

@runic tartan , have you tried rhe Vault Key Progressive island? They're p good at being a cost effective way to get lots of keys cheap

[runic tartan]

yes but ive never been able to get more then 5 keys without spending dozens of gems

[dapper oyster]

dozens!

[errant hatch]

Why will anything trade related be removed?

[clear stump]

Oversuggested

Monster trading used to be constantly requested years ago

[hallow flame]

If SP actually talked here, imagine how great that would be. Is this just to argue among ourselves whose idea is best?

[clear stump]

Better than doing it in #submit-ideas

[dapper oyster]

what a lot of words to say nothing at all

@opal mango

[clear stump]

What actually was the point of that feedback? It doesn't make a comment on a specific feature at all

[hallow flame]

Feedback about the whole game, all the features

[void wigeon]

@hollow vortex

Since when does mutating runes take gem

Do you mean the time ?

[hollow vortex]

Like skipping the time ye

[clear stump]

You should specify that, had me thinking they actually have a gem cost to initiate the process

[hollow vortex]

Done

[mint knot]

Based

[rich ingot]

i'm going to lie. everything they said is quite the equivalent of a nothing burger

[clear stump]

Worst. Feedback. Ever.

[flint stone]

@oblique lintel please read the channel description and try again with your feedback.

[ashen ridge]

its honest and accurate feedback realistically speaking

[clear stump]

And it helps nobody

What do you want a dev to do w that?

[ashen ridge]

the devs got plenty of other feedback that they could use but they wont

[flint stone]

@arctic grove you need to write to in game Support and explain.

[arctic grove]

i did but they said "we can do absolutely nothing about it" i was like hat/

[flint stone]

Oh well. Weekly challenges then.

[arctic grove]

man this sucks

[torn berry]

Most of monster missing applied torture and control effect

[errant hatch]

That seems like valid feedback to me

[dapper oyster]

It’s true but not helpful

[flint stone]

If you read the channel description, need valuable, quality feedback. About you and your game.

[stable grove]

I can’t keep loosing all my money and gems. Some people have the new cave some don’t. I would rather the old treasure cave that wasn’t a scam.

[torn berry]

Cave remove in game and add something new way of getting seasonal tickets like dungeons type

[honest oriole]

@weak bridge That's a good idea but lamp of choice is OP for 25%. I think making it 5 random ancestor cells for 25% could be a good tradeoff.

[weak bridge]

fair enough but i also talked to the devs about exchanging extra a cells and they said theyd take it into "consideration"

ill be shocked to see if they ever change something with the way rank up resources work

[torn berry]

Nothing odd working I try 8 400tickets summon and got only 3 cells of choice lamp

[clever yacht]

New cave isnt too bad, I tried 8 runs with a limit of 22 gems each time (3 traps), which is 1 free run per day, and reached floor 30 3 times, 176 gems for over 8k tickets

[honest oriole]

That's just really unlucky

[tired fossil]

that is called luck.

[clever yacht]

Just try it

[raw swan]

Still just luck

[clever yacht]

Just try it again

[torn berry]

Stop making every month new ancestors

[clear stump]

This isn't the channel to submit feedback in

You should also say why they should slow down the release of Ancestors, in #general-feedback

[vocal notch]

@radiant kite just pick all three

[livid cave]

https://monster-legends-competitive.fandom.com/wiki/Rockssandra
https://monster-legends-competitive.fandom.com/wiki/Akanoni
https://monster-legends-competitive.fandom.com/wiki/Satyrus

If you can only pick one uhhhh read these to figure out which fits best in ur team

Satyrus is probably the best tho imo

[clear stump]

What's the actual "idea" in here?

@slim magnet

[slim magnet]

fix bh lobbies and + listen/fix game

[clear stump]

"Fix game" isn't an idea

And fix bh lobbies is constantly suggested, ita actually in the message above yours

[flint stone]

@craggy blade that isn’t for feedback channel.

[clever yacht]

Both of my ideas are about cavern of ancestor for ancestor in each era, but need to differentiate a little bit. For the cavern of the latest era, the reward is era ticket. For the older eras, it is lamp of choice with a small number of cells to support players to focus on developing their favorite ancestor instead of distributing it to all ancestors

[median dagger]

Make knuckles nicky have guard down hater r0 and guard down sc r3 and remove immune to guard down from the fugitives in bounty hunt

[cobalt horizon]

@wet epoch feedback, not an idea.

[wet epoch]

Wdym

[wet epoch]

Oh ok sorry

remove that point thing where u need have 6 points to battle in multiplayer and the fact that after 30 mins u only get 1 point like make it 6 dude i dont wanna wait 2.5 hours just for a single match everything exept multiplayer pvp is not boring like make it like 6 points per 15 mins or smt like 30 mins for 1 point is absolutely insane

[deft tinsel]

Please make fugitive killer AI better, otherwise it’s just a scam, put out like 140 bucks for this bh just for sp to change things last minute. It makes people not wanting to buy things and is just a bad idea overall.

[torn berry]

Here no one listening your problem about fugitive ai and it's traits

[deft tinsel]

Yeah, I guess that's sp in a nutshell

[noble helm]

Why are these UA kids tryna grt attention?

[errant wharf]

wrong chat

[noble helm]

Nope it’s the right one

Feedback on your feedback

[errant wharf]

feet on my back

[leaden needle]

💀

[cobalt horizon]

@weak bridge

[weak bridge]

mb i didnt know that ill edit it out

[cobalt horizon]

Why not 5 tiles? 10 in a lobby, 50 tiles need to be flipped before fugitive appears.

[noble helm]

People want to keep one to damage/kill fugi

[cobalt horizon]

Please remember to include feedback in #general-feedback and not just post ideas and suggestions

[tired fossil]

15 gems for kill? @torn berry

one of the worst ideas I've ever seen

[torn berry]

Only the way snipe killing.

It could be never possible

[tired fossil]

and? there is no need to further reduce the gems for kill

before it was 75, now 50, and your idea is to reduce it even further to 15

[torn berry]

See my full idea

[tired fossil]

doesn't matter

[leaden needle]

never suggest smth again

[torn berry]

Ohh this idea gives problem sniper I forgot

[clear stump]

yes seriously

[cobalt horizon]

@patent wave see bugs channel

[cobalt horizon]

The event board would have already ended after bh ended.

Actually, not for this one, but at end of next BH.

[cobalt horizon]

@weak bridge it's for first time pass buyers.

[lost crater]

Is it a bug if i encounter many teams of lv150 monsters in easy era saga?

[runic tartan]

@raw swan I also have a redesign of the speed up tokens for breeding and pvp chests opening, tbh I liked the old ones better, this seems so pointless asweel why dont they just make a actual update?

[clear stump]

I liked the old ones more, but the new ones make it much more obvious what the Tokens are for with the pvp icon and breeding icon in the corner

[vocal notch]

@timid frigate Best thing u can do is uninstall the game

[near current]

we getting sniped

[clever yacht]

@feral hatch No, this only facilitates buying and selling accounts, which is against TOS

[cobalt horizon]

@spring ether that is an idea not feedback, and please read pinned in #submit-ideas

For all, please remember ideas and suggestions posted in #general-feedback must start with feedback.

[spring ether]

Oh

I just saw upvotes and downvotes there

[loud raptor]

@near current 100 gems might be a bit op
If I get 200 gems from the gold keys I often get multiple eggs
Anyone that kinda knows what their doing could with a bit of luck at start could force an infinit loop
especial seeing how you can also get 200 gems from hold keys because of that I have already chained three gold chests in a row let alone if I also got 100 gems for every egg

[near current]

then do u think an ancestor is worth less?

what if u spend 200 gems+

plus im saying if it were gonna convert to cells

for example if u alr have everything maybe and lets not count the seasonal ancestors

it would be a great source of gem income instead of bounty hunt

if you are lucky then u are lucky

stop p2w 🔥

[loud raptor]

No, but your gems will not just break even but if you do it right you will rapidly gaan gems so by just holding out for a little bit you'll have enough to not have to pick 100 gems and keep going

[loud raptor]

If you know what your doing like I said very big chance you get multiple eggs from 200

[near current]

then 50 gems idk

[near current]

its luck

3%

[loud raptor]

Yeah but there also a lot of strategy involved to maximize your luck

[near current]

its random

25% every floor to pass

so get 3 eggs and have 150 gems

hm

it would make profit bc if u alr have some good ones and def need some replace

ill say

if u have all ancestors

u use those to just gamble it out all on gems

ending up with idk 500 gems bc u had 10 egg lamps

it will just be average experience to take those gems to get summoning tickets and get the seasonal monster

but its not rlly guaranteed to get the egg 100%

🧐so den he wasted 10 eggs for what

it will be still be stupid

if u need gems just sell those lamps and use them somewhere else 😭

no need to think abt it that much

[loud raptor]

What is not random is deciding when you spend gems to give you a extra life, how much gems you reserved so you don't accidently run out, when you buy treasureroom pots and much more.
I could honestly write an entire guide on tc

But 50 gems is already a lot more balanced

[near current]

well its just being lucky ig by trying to be lucky we do spend quite alot and for the balance it to fast but for bh idk u gotta be experienced unless u just invest into the pork team for an opportunity someday again

plus the devs don't do 100% of the content

they probably gonna think abt a solution if it can get thru

like the daily goal tasks we have rn was my idea but they havent added rarity goals in and better achievements so they dont do 100% of the content i did tell them to add pass exp pointe in so that even late returners can catch up to some rewards i think they even buffed the pointe on weekly pass tasks theres so many of the 100 ones and a good amount in daily goals which gives more than the daily in the pass

[clear stump]

@toxic carbon , did you join the team after they completed that lap?

[hazy flax]

Introduce new tokens to reduce hatching time

Lower the gold cost for food

Make it that one habitat can house four monsters

Sorry it should be five

[cobalt horizon]

Yes, they hold 4. For me, that's more than enough.

[hazy flax]

It makes much difference on four levels

And it can boost gold production by many times

[cobalt horizon]

Don't really need higher gold production.

Could give 25% more gold, excluding A habitats, if you had enough to fill. Max production would be almost 4b a day.

[hazy flax]

Hmm

[visual ledge]

are they gonna revert everyones cave when new era drop?

[vocal notch]

no one knows if they even will revert it let alone when

[flint stone]

@errant hatch

You need to expand your feedback.

[errant hatch]

Can i edit it

Dont delete it because i cant type for another 6 hours

[flint stone]

Not talking 10 lines, but need to know the info behind it.

You can edit.

[runic tartan]

@errant hatch I also dislike how there used to be 3 floors in the era sagas with gems not there is only 2 floors and I think it now might be less gems per completed era saga then it used to be.

Also less relic chests now

[ebon lake]

@compact meadow If you could get promoted more quickly everyone will just drop leagues for easy race pvp nodes. The new system helps prevent that

[cobalt horizon]

You can't drop below champion 3, but that would still be true.

[compact meadow]

Honestly I’m still not used to the new pvp system. I just came back from like original era mythics and the ranks take forever to go up in

I’m sure there’s a reason for it I’m just frustrated that I have to wait so long to get into a league that’s around what I should be in

[fresh roost]

I agree simply cos it's not fair to new players having to face R5 ppl just coming back and needing to climb

[compact meadow]

I just p2w like a shill so my defense is way overpowered compared to the average player in bronze 😭

[clear stump]

@atomic laurel Apple is the one preventing tasks from being good iirc, not SP or tapjoy

@spiral shuttle , you need to send that to #monster-ideas :)

[vocal notch]

@spiral shuttle Enkidu The Untombed

[atomic laurel]

ahhhh okay i see thank you

[spiral shuttle]

K i did

[loud raptor]

@spiral shuttle enkidu literally gets his awakening by trait disabling

Just use him if you want an A that can trait disable

[cobalt horizon]

@tacothang49 It's only a change in how the books are displayed, and is same for every unfinished book. It still says 2/8 at top, just doesn't have empty slots showing.

[sinful ice]

Are you talking to casper

[cobalt horizon]

Taco left again, but I felt it still needed a response for anyone else reading, since it negates the point made.

[clear stump]

@runic tartan , what's the idea in that? 25% chance doesn't mean guaranteed every 4 pulls contains 1 x 50 cell result, that's just the general odds. Unless you're doing a lot of summons (ie 1000), I wouldn't expect it to align the way you're thinking

[hallow flame]

0.296% chance to get 14/100 when the odds are 25%

[clear stump]

So still a possibility

[hallow flame]

Yeah I guess it’s also possible to get 0/100 so you shouldn’t complain

[runic tartan]

wha?

[clear stump]

Just because you haven't strictly gotten 25 x 50 cells out of 100 summons, doesn't mean the posted odds are wrong. More than likely means you're unlucky 🤔

[cobalt horizon]

P(X>14) is 99.458%, you're just unlucky for the cells. Egg number seems pretty normal.

[runic tartan]

Ive never gotton cells at a 25% rate, my rate for getting cells is about 15% it has never been at a 25% rate so either I am just extremely extremely extremely unlucky or the 25% chance is false.

[cobalt horizon]

But what is the idea? Since that's the channel.

I have got better than 25%

[runic tartan]

the idea is to fix it?

[clear stump]

☝️ this, mama - "Fix my luck" isn't an idea

[runic tartan]

fix the odds if its not acqurate?

[clear stump]

When you've done only 100 summons what makes you think it's inaccurate?

[runic tartan]

Ive done far more then 100 . . .

[clear stump]

8000 tickets, 100 summons no?