ideas-feedback-discussion

[slim magnet]

Oh fr

Maybe top 1-2 get 7 stam, top 2-5 (or smth) get 5 stam, the rest get 3 stam?🤔

[void wigeon]

Then they’ll camp and do one attack

[slim magnet]

And another guy will do 1 attack too😂

[void wigeon]

Yeah so we will support people that don’t flip and just attack once you do all the flipping

[slim magnet]

In any way, adding 5 stam will makes pack more worth, and also I still think that lobby can be a little more flipped

[clear stump]

@wary cedar did you see the feedback above yours? :)

[rich ingot]

He was seeing things and the prior feedback wasn't one of them

[slim magnet]

@void wigeon i changed the idea, is it better now?

[void wigeon]

Yes that is much better bro 🙌

[slim magnet]

Ty

[void wigeon]

@dapper oyster why did you put the 🤡 youre just jealous bud

[dapper oyster]

because clowns wear make-up and your post was made up

[void wigeon]

Dad jokes by pyro 💀✌️

Alright fair enough

[brittle briar]

@slim magnet not giving any stam at all doesn’t really work tho like if you join a lobby and the fugi is already alive and i kill it in 3 then its not really my fault i didnt spend 5

[slim magnet]

Its very rare, and if you kill 3 stam by joining then you are atleast you spent only 3 stam for 50 gems

[dapper oyster]

maybe make it 5 stamina or x points

but i guess that doesn't fix sniping

[slim magnet]

Yeah

[dapper oyster]

SC traits are still traits

[rich ingot]

But can you trait disable them, though?

[dapper oyster]

If you trait disable someone before their first turn, the sc doesn’t trigger

[dapper oyster]

@void wigeon but gambling is fun

[void wigeon]

No

I hate cave

This is not fun at all

Got to 25 multiple times but not a single time tickets 🔥

And my last run to 55 I only got tickets in 50 and 40 💀

Cave is stupid

Again nothing in 20 and nothing in 15 either

🤦‍♂️

And nothing in 25

Ok

This game sucks

🙌

Trap on 29

[dapper oyster]

true dat, I said to my wife yesterday "I spend all my fun money on a game I don't even like"

[wanton orbit]

Relatable

[brittle briar]

ong

[lilac mauve]

thats $29,405,882 and some change before tax HAHA

[thick thunder]

rocks reacted to it lol

[wanton orbit]

Omg

That's fantastic

[livid cave]

YEEEAAAHHH

WE LOVE DEVELOPERS LOOKING AT FEEDBACK

[rich ingot]

the one who wrote the feedback is the messiah

[lilac mauve]

oh yea it an absolute cash grab. and a joke of one too like just spend 20 on the battle pass and get over 1k for 20 bucks this is just down right disrespectful lol

[lilac mauve]

wait seriously!

[thick thunder]

yea

[lilac mauve]

thats so awesome

[thick thunder]

indeed

[lilac mauve]

well hopefully they consider some of it because i put alot of effort into that 😭🤣

[loud raptor]

Please for the love of God do NOT change the traits of lineaus and saberus

Giving them megataunt will be way too broken

They literely have way over 4x the life of king atum one of the best if not the best tank in the game

Don't me wrong I want another trait megataunt monster but not an ancestor

[rich ingot]

anything to get the players spending

[dapper oyster]

Life total doesn’t matter when you have tortures and % damage

[loud raptor]

Still good percentage damage is rare and tortures only kick in when they get a turn in

So their 2 other monsters still are gonna have free turns for while

[dapper oyster]

He is a lot faster than atum

[loud raptor]

And with your logic any mega taunt mon would be just as viable as the other so are you saying santarion is just as good as atum?

[vocal notch]

Tortures will do great on him considering his up to date speed stat

Hes getting a turn in a lot quicker

[dapper oyster]

No, because he dies to relics

[void wigeon]

@meager stag your feedback worked 😂

[loud raptor]

With my current team I use evaris and diabolus and my diabolus gets full counterd by atum after that I get a hit in with evaris and OKO atum that way my diabolus can deny the other monsters again but if this happens my evaris won't OKO my diabolus is shut down for bunch more turns and I need to endure way more attacks than I usually do

This isn't just a hyper specific example either bc the mon is just gonna be harder to kill

Trying to say a megataunt tanks life stat doesn't matter is just flat out idiotic

[lean kelp]

just use a different team

adapt and overcome

🧠

[loud raptor]

Like I said this isn't a hyper specific example this was just too show that life most definitly matters

I could make hundreds of teams and this would most likely still be broken against pretty much any of them

[vocal notch]

Doesnt evaris have a cold blood skill so u dont even bother with atum?

[loud raptor]

Yeah I use that skill but one functioning mon still sucks and if nanovirus or positive effect block gets aplied before evaris gets a turn it still doesn't work

[sacred plover]

No

Tortures will kill the ever-loving hell outta him

• Taunt disable is leaked to drop soon and it'll likely be in a new ancestor, just hope that's good

[loud raptor]

Also you guys are the ones complaining about ancestor dominated meta while the one thing that keeps mythicals viable is traits and this rendering almost every tank mythic compleetly useless except maybe the very few best of the best regular taunt monsters

[sacred plover]

I agree I'd like if a new mythic got a megataunt trait but frankly I like this change to linnaeus & saberus too

[livid cave]

Honestly I'm chill with the saberus change. SOMEONE needed megataunt that didn't die in one hit. Meta has been toxic as of late with effect spam, actual defenses like permanent megataunt were sorely needed

[loud raptor]

Yeah like I said I want a mega taunt mythic but I just do not want it on a ancestral

[livid cave]

Dude I'll take any megataunt at this point

[slim magnet]

Soon will do a new feedback for ancestors

[livid cave]

I do not care if it's a mythic or not

[loud raptor]

Also if speed matters that much I did some calculations you can just run him underleved his life to speed ratio is a decent amount higher than atum

[void wigeon]

@fresh ore look at the whales putting the „🤡“ 😂

[vocal notch]

2 of them arent even spenders lol

[clear stump]

Sorry but I agree with Horyan

This could've been completely averted by not having made the SC change

And to lock MT trait for the first mon to have it in over two years, one with exceptionally high stats, behind Rank 5 which is known for being difficult to obtain without high gem count??

They should've just dropped a new MT trait mythic and called it a day

Nice to know SP still knows when their mons need adjusting I guess but come on.

[rich ingot]

1 step forward, 10 steps back

[vocal notch]

More like 3 instead of 10, the drawbacks aint that terrible

[dapper oyster]

High gem count? Ancestors are the cheapest rank 5

[clear stump]

Are they?

[dapper oyster]

Yes

[clear stump]

Would've thought they're still a couple hundred quid to max out

[dapper oyster]

You are acting like they still cost 25k gems

[clear stump]

Thought they were still like 10k lol

[dapper oyster]

10k tickets, not gems

[clear stump]

Shows how out of touch I am then 🙃😂

[vocal notch]

1k to 1.5k gems usually to max them out

[clear stump]

Oh wow

Guess I need to suck up and do a big task

[dapper oyster]

And the saga gives 200 cells if you complete it in the month it is released

[clear stump]

Good shout

[dapper oyster]

I still have enough tickets for the next 2 ancestors lol

I barely do cave, they keep putting monsters in that I already have r5

[clear stump]

Doesn't help that they're almost always like 4 or 5 eras behind

[tired fossil]

@fresh ore why are you complaining lol

[fresh ore]

its something they could have easily put at r0 and now it's all the way at r5

if you don't have tasks or surveys you are cooked rn

[tired fossil]

not really

[fresh ore]

kinda

[tired fossil]

🤷‍♂️

[fresh ore]

your not gonna do very well in bh if you have no gems to begin with

you at least need some sentium from caves and monsters like jj etc to help climb up

I think it's a very good change other than it being put at r5 though

[tired fossil]

era sagas

[fresh ore]

they're not super reliable

I completed a saga last week and got 8 gems total from it

and once they're done, they're done

[rich ingot]

It kinda surprises me that they haven't cut the gems from saga in half.. yet

[fresh ore]

they kinda did back in corrupted era at least for the roulettes

it's probably a matter of time until they change it for pvp stamina or something

[tired fossil]

technically they cut

[rich ingot]

they did a very bad job considering how they nuked other gems sources

For a so called "community server" or "company server" or whatever it's called. There's a clear lack of communication between the devs and the players

[dapper oyster]

all things come with time

[dapper oyster]

they made most of them time limited

[fresh ore]

just a couple months to get the new ancestor r5 and just hope they don't release any other really strong ancestor or anything which weakens him fr

[dapper oyster]

or don't take months

[fresh ore]

fr be luckier

[dapper oyster]

and skillier

[fresh ore]

I'll try to level down for better bh lobbies 👍

you can still get fine gems from bh as f2p even at 150 tbh

but all your sentium must go to fks and you can't spend gems on anything other than cave if you want the new ancestors, especially at r5

[dapper oyster]

we have people that are f2p and above the good lobby level for BH and race with us

and do 6/6 war attacks

[fresh ore]

you can still compete without tasks or surveys as f2p but it can be tricky

locking the new best monster behind an 1k+ gems didn't help

[dapper oyster]

doesn't have to be 1k gems

@livid cave anky was free from pvp a couple of months ago, them and the ancestor can do it easy

[livid cave]

Doesn't change the fact the book is horribly designed in comparison to other factions

Not to mention saberus is incredibly rng based to obtain, getting him is never guaranteed, and it's WAY too much hassle for a saga. Plus, his skills are still bad, and 98% of people won't have him r5

[fresh ore]

just like that it can be more

[clever yacht]

This month saga isnt that hard

Able to complete with r3 Ancestor and r0 anky, X runes

[dapper oyster]

robur node is the only slightly tricky one

don't do it on auto because anky will heal with reverse healing on lol

[clever yacht]

U cant auto any of last 3 node with low lvl team

[dapper oyster]

I only used 3 runes, but not low level

[hollow vortex]

@void wigeon why not

[void wigeon]

Takes away a lot of skill

And I’m not tryna fight only mt bases

[hollow vortex]

Fair

[slim magnet]

Only 4 mt monsters in game lol

[void wigeon]

Yeah 😂

[sleek root]

New elements sound exciting ngl

[signal lance]

Until you realize it messes up the type chart

[dapper oyster]

just like metal did

also, could be an element like special

[signal lance]

True but at that point, why not just run Special

[dapper oyster]

could start a new elemental cycle

3 new elements that rock paper scissors each other but normal damage against the other 10

[signal lance]

Sounds interesting and I'd be lying if the Type Chart hasn't gotten stale over the years

[dapper oyster]

that's what I did in my game

we had the usual elements water fire earth etc, and then introduced miasma crystal and something

[sleek root]

Honestly its not gonna be so bad

[dapper oyster]

but elements in my game came with styles for every pet

[signal lance]

You have my interest. Is the game like an RPG type of stuff?

[dapper oyster]

virtual pet, with a battle arena

[signal lance]

...Steam?

[dapper oyster]

haven't done anything to it in 10 years or so

web

[signal lance]

Ah

[sleek root]

Whats the game name

I wanna check it out

@dapper oyster

[dapper oyster]

i disabled registration in 2015 when GDPR came in

[sleek root]

Oh

Ok then

[sacred plover]

Not really

[fresh ore]

me when the new element restriction shows up in war and there's only 2 monsters which you both had to pay for

[slim magnet]

🤣

Real

No old monster with a new one

Until they add to old monsters who has 1 element

[fresh ore]

that could be a cool idea

[karmic fable]

We have Earth, Water, Fire elements So Air elements would be nice, agree?

[rich ingot]

Dragon city already did that

[wanton orbit]

A new element would probably be in wars even though it'd only have like 2 monsters

And then what would you do about the winged monsters

[clear stump]

I assume not every Winged mon is capable of flight ie Vixsun, Doni Bobes, Joanter Beanhunter? Go for the ones are are specifically airborne or angelic

[loud raptor]

Well I mean not every water monster can swim nowadays it is just mostly based on what element kinda fits the vibe of a mon and in that aspect I feel like air might have a feel that is a little to similar to light

[dapper oyster]

to be fair, water can't swim

[sacred plover]

That would be sea book

for a fair comparison

[cobalt horizon]

Air was suggested 6 yrs ago

[clear stump]

😂

[cobalt horizon]

And wind, void, space,...

[clear stump]

Sound?

[cobalt horizon]

Don't recall that.

[karmic fable]

Ok, Im gonna delete the message as if it's already suggested

[vocal notch]

the Tryout Monster feature is/was already (kinda) a thing

most recently you used to be able to try out Geneza when she first came out

idk why they stopped doing that

[dapper oyster]

because it was perfect rank runes relics and you didn't get to choose the enemy nor the companions

[sacred plover]

@obsidian merlin

[obsidian merlin]

Why tho

Is it already suggested it is it like a definite no? And if a definite no then why?

[thick thunder]

its been suggested alot

[sacred plover]

and there are no signs of it ever happening ngl

[obsidian merlin]

Danm, it should be added tho, if there's a breeding one I feel like there should be a hatching one at least

[dapper oyster]

being bottlenecked by hatching is what you spend gems on

[obsidian merlin]

not my gems xD

[dapper oyster]

then your time instead

[karmic fable]

I like the tryout feature

Because you can see which monster you should go for, try the skills of the monster etc.

[weak bridge]

your the same spencer from royal racers a few years ago werent u

[dapper oyster]

@weary plover ironically less variety

[weary plover]

fr wdym?

[dapper oyster]

so before all 3 slots could be element or book, now slot 1 can only be half the books, slot 2 can only be half the elements, and slot 3 can only be the other half of the elements or the other half of the books

more books have been added to the list, but duplication has been removed, and the number of actual combinations has drastically decreased

[weary plover]

i see thats right, where does it say half tho i didnt see that?

[dapper oyster]

it lists what can be in each slot now

[weary plover]

where are the lists?

curious to see them

[dapper oyster]

on the announcement you screenshotted

[sacred plover]

literally right below the part zephyr screenshot

[dapper oyster]

425 combinations now vs 5832 before if it's what they said it was

[sacred plover]

Although now that means we won't get stupid stuff like double undead

[dapper oyster]

yes

[sacred plover]

It's a directly less quantity but I think its better

[weary plover]

i see where ur coming from however slot 1 is basically what all the books we currently have is lol

i think in reality it will feel more varied

even if the math doesnt check out

[dapper oyster]

adventurers has been swapped with female

[weary plover]

ye it would have been nice to see a few more changed

[dapper oyster]

adventurers is in slot 3

[weary plover]

ye ik

would have been nice to have swapped smthn like sea and good legions and wielders and underworld

but ill take what we can get

[dapper oyster]

wait, didn't we get sea book before? what did I use kirk in?

[weary plover]

mechanical

dont even ask me why hes there

[dapper oyster]

ah ok

[sacred plover]

space suit?

[dapper oyster]

which allows him to breath underwater

[lean kelp]

Zoomorphs robbery

SP forgor the furry book existed

[sacred plover]

crazy

They really said nuh uh to zoomorphs

[sacred plover]

@minor escarp thats lowk very hard to read

[dapper oyster]

@cold condor especially when they gave it to me and then it went away again 30 minutes later

[minor escarp]

zoom in

they are just examples

[cold condor]

Damn that really sucks

[minor escarp]

idk seems fine for me tho

[sacred plover]

fine as long as the devs can see it

[minor escarp]

im going to be giving a few more ideas later too

adding more tasks is what i recommended before too

because we needed a bounty hunt task

[minor escarp]

and i added a reward where u get 1 ancestor every 6 months and if u pay $6.99 u get 500 cells

since ml likes money

[sacred plover]

crazy

[minor escarp]

yep u wont be getting more than 1 unless u wait half a year or do cave

gotta make that task a bit grindy

like hatching some mythical eggs or sum

50 might not be to hard 🤔would take a while like few months

2 for speedsters

[flint stone]

Simple I got stuck in your tiny print ideas. 😱

As I enlarged the print, then wanted to leave and had to find the X marks the spot to leave. 🥴

[minor escarp]

🤣 ye thats the mobile bug

when u click channel info its impossible to return there too

[minor escarp]

there was to much to talk abt didn't wanna cut the whole thing ill do it next time

[boreal vault]

wielder?? elementals??

bruh

well actually idk whos in there

[dapper oyster]

everyone with a sword is in wielders

[boreal vault]

oh yh just checked

sibidu in there

[dapper oyster]

@boreal vault they'd have to lower the amount of laps needed for tokens too

[boreal vault]

ah yes

[slim magnet]

@boreal vault Add for hatchery less time for big skip to cost less gems cause they are rn too costly

[boreal vault]

sure

[slim magnet]

Also for those who do more than 65 laps need extra rewards

Like sentium, up to 200 laps

[boreal vault]

good idea

better ig

[slim magnet]

Like after 65 laps, each 5 laps is 100 sentium up to 200 laps

[boreal vault]

woah

so 200 laps is 13.500 senitnum

i mean

[slim magnet]

200 laps = 2700 sentium

[boreal vault]

ah i see

[slim magnet]

Oh i meant each 5 laps🤣

[boreal vault]

ah alright make sense

[slim magnet]

[obsidian merlin]

i might be, why you asking?

[weak bridge]

i was the leader and still am and i had a feeling you were the same person 😅

what team are you on now?

[obsidian merlin]

Winter Arcc

had to take a break from the game for a long time, each time i take a break i have to find a new team xD

[weak bridge]

ahh i see, well if anything happens and ur tryna find a new time lmk lmao

[weak bridge]

we all took a break around that time lol

i just had to go under a name change thats why im not Dr1Pzy.127 anymore

[obsidian merlin]

lol yeah, ill be honest your discord name isnt exactly ringing any bells, was i... and i just now see your message about your name change, now i remember lol

[weak bridge]

yeaa fr

im pretty sure i sent u a video ab the last war we had together

[obsidian merlin]

i forget, was i a team lead back then? ive been in so many teams at this point, some i was a c-lead in and others i wasnt, i cant remember if i was or not back in the team with you

[weak bridge]

i feel like were gonna get flagged by mods for off topic but oh well

[weak bridge]

i thibk at one point i did give you co lead but you asked me to remove it and give it to someone else😭

[obsidian merlin]

oh yeah i remmeber, i got pretty busy

you wanna message directly?

[weak bridge]

sure just so we dont get killed by mods😅

[slim magnet]

I was in so many team before too (almost all of them coleader/leader) so many team and persons that can be very confused lmao

[weak bridge]

look at it all three of us were on the same team at one point and were leading alongside eachother :D.

[slim magnet]

🐐

[dapper oyster]

@karmic fable 4x damage was already added as a status effect reading for someone to have it as a virtue

They ended up changing it before release

[karmic fable]

Bruh...

[sacred plover]

everyone with a held weapon, actually

[tired fossil]

why would you need a quadruple dmg effect

🤦‍♂️

[dapper oyster]

every held weapon is a sword if you're brave enough

[sacred plover]

I know 😏

[vocal notch]

The pvp rewards (for l1 at least) are perfectly fine, basically free 2x 8 to 10 every week. Idk what u were expecting, 12s or smth?

[vestal pelican]

it was Alby's triple dmg skill, before umbrella hater was added instead

[dapper oyster]

Ah ok, thought it was baba’s virtue or something, I remember it being really specific

[dapper oyster]

wasn't it locked behind alby's ult?

[signal lance]

Looking back, Alby never had 4x damage

And I'm looking at the leaks before Alby was even released

[dapper oyster]

it was a new status effect added and then it never got attached to anything, pretty sure it was leaked as a virtue

[signal lance]

I guess they releaized it would be too much at the time?

[dapper oyster]

probably

Skill Update: Junkjowl
BEFORE
Junk Meal: Deals heavy Earth damage to one enemy. Removes Artifact from all enemies. Applies 4X Damage to all allies if an Artifact was removed. Requires cooldown.

AFTER
Junk Meal: Deals heavy Earth damage and applies Artifact Hater to all allies. Requires cooldown.

it was junkjowl, that's why i remember it being super specific, it required artifact removal

then i questioned if anticipation removal worked on fugitives, to see if artifact removal would

[signal lance]

Whats funnier is that if Arti removal actually worked, we wouldn't even use Junkjowl. We would just use 2 Infi ET attackers or just run Ferrus + Steamwrath to always get a win... in like 2 hours

[dapper oyster]

steamwrath doesn't use the extra turn skills on auto

[lean kelp]

Not from what I remember, the only time 4x DMG was mentioned was on Junkjowl, originally his Artifact Hater skills gave 4x DMG to all allies if he dealt DMG to Artifact monsters

Nvm

Didn't read further

💀

He was already mentioned

[vestal pelican]

Was too lazy to read back, at least I was close

[sacred plover]

Would that even remove anticipation though?

[dapper oyster]

no

[slim magnet]

@civic spade I think those are the hackers

Need to report them

[civic spade]

Ive reported multiple and nothing has happened

And nobody gets attacked by them

[civic spade]

For example ive reported this guy and nothing has happened. Hes still top 15 olympus.

Also i dont think anybody is cheating on an account with 500-1000 monsters. I think the matchmaking just sucks.

[rich ingot]

The matchmaking sucks

[clear stump]

Wrong channel? #general-feedback

[vocal notch]

^ lmaoo

i think u meant to put this on the other channel

[errant hatch]

Omg bro

Wait this is ideas

[errant hatch]

So i did put it in the right one

Just deleted it for nothing 😔

[vocal notch]

LOL

[clear stump]

if you want to submit an idea or leave a piece of feedback, this isn't the channel for it

to submit ideas you go to #submit-ideas , and for feedback you go to #general-feedback

this is just the channel to discuss the content posted those two channels lol

[rich ingot]

Skill based matchmaking in ml sounds ridiculous tbh. Being skilled in ml boils down to how much you spend and how lucky you can get with its crappy gacha system

[wind willow]

Yeah, I guess skill = how much low life’s are willing to pay on this game. I just thought a system that calculates who you get matched up with based on level, monster power, winning streaks, monster ranks etc. would be better than complete randomness. It’s weird when people in silver who are level 50 with 3k monster power get matched up with a full team of level 14 run rank 5 ancestors

[fresh ore]

skill based matchmaking doesn't really make sense with the pvp system

both players with the best monsters and the worst monsters would be in the highest league

and there is some kind of odd matchmaking rn anyways because that's what's happening

[void wigeon]

Not showing damaging xmess makes no sense

Such a stupid Feedback

And what’s with pierce monsters and cold blood ? Not showing too or would it again?

Makes no sense

If you’re having trouble reading traits then that’s a problem you gotta figure out for yourself 😭🙏

[wanton orbit]

Very true

[clear stump]

It kind of goes both ways

If an attack isn't going to hit a DA mon or Baby'd mon, it doesn't show a damage value

So why would it show a damage value for an attack that's going to get absorbed by MT?

On the other hand it's not hard to spot an MT trait mon and you should plan for it

For DA if you do a single targeting attack it will show the damage, if its AOE it won't show the damage

[dapper oyster]

random positive effects giving MT to a monster that usually doesn't get it is not easy to spot

[clear stump]

Fairs, still only 4 MT trait mons though

[sacred plover]

???
I think it makes sense because there's a MT on the field. Also, if a move doesn't deal damage due to Evasion or DA, that's reflected visually so why not have the same for MT?

I see no reason to call it a "stupid feedback."

[void wigeon]

Yes it is

[void wigeon]

It’s a status caster

[sacred plover]

what?

[void wigeon]

Evasion overall is just smt completely different

They took action in some feedback we shouldn’t throw it away with stupid requests about things that’s been in the game for ages and ages and no one ever complained about and no wonder it’s not smt to complain about

[sacred plover]

My point is the damage values should accurately reflect the damage that will be dealt

[vestal pelican]

its meh feedback because its needed for monsters that apply pierce to themselves, attack, and remove pierce from themselves

[clear stump]

I wish they gave us more Ricky avatar chests for Christmas lol
There's like 5 avatars and we only got 2? chests

[dapper oyster]

@karmic fable converting all damage to healing is too OP, would be better if it worked like absorbing specific elemental damage like in RPGs

[signal lance]

Its basically Space Time but better

[karmic fable]

Hm, maybe tortures still deals normal damage

[karmic fable]

Elemental damage reversal would also be nice ngl

[dapper oyster]

like in FF8 where if you have fire resistance over 100% fire damage starts healing you

[karmic fable]

Yeah, that's ok, just lessen the op ness

I edited the message

[void wigeon]

Why skull emoji on the avatar

It’s free

That’s awesome

[wanton orbit]

Suggestion for the suggesters, be kind

[mint knot]

I understand what you mean but no one is being unkind, everyone is just frustrated with the lack of care for the game

Just like someone said, "the lack of care and sympathy towards the community from the devs is utterly atrocious", and it is

0 care has been put into Feral era outside of the monster designs

The events are the same they've been for multiple eras now, they haven't fixed any of the features people have been begging for (PvP, Status Casters, lackluster rewards for playing, bad repetitive events, etc), and don't give any insight as to what they actually plan to do. Instead they just make "weird micro-changes no one asked for" like changing daily goals or the MW wheel.

These devs need to wake up because the game is bleeding players, I've seen multiple long time spenders grow more and more frustrated and disincentivized to keep spending, imagine what it's like for the F2P players who make up the vast majority

You gotta be stern sometimes, keep it respectful but also keep it real. A game doesn't die when people are pissed at the devs, a game dies when people stop caring enough to even complain.

[errant hatch]

REMOVE MATER RIGHT NOW

[wind willow]

Glad to see my message rant about PvP reached some people. I made that message mad about an insane loss streak (I’m level 81 and I have monsters ranked between 1-3, and was facing full team r5 ancestors 10 matches in a row) and decided to let it all out. While I was kinda rude and not nice about it, my message still stands. Never have I ever played a game, mobile or console, with such disregard for community input. I don’t really know how else to say what needs to be said without hurting the fragile egos of the SP devs lmao

[mint knot]

You weren't rude at all, you are completely right to call out the lack of care for this game

And I also have never played a game with Devs who have plugged their ears harder than the ones in SP

[wind willow]

I wonder what it is about this game that is letting the devs get away with this. With every single other game with anything close to this amount of lack of care, the game died within weeks, if not days. Is it because of its addictive tentacles, or the fact that if you don’t play it EVERY day you’ll fall insanely behind, or that it’s “just a mobile game” and so it doesn’t deserve the effort and time. Who knows

[mint knot]

There is no other way to say it, they don't listen. We need the community's dissatisfaction to be turned into unified demonstrable outrage, because it's getting ridiculous

[mint knot]

Mobile Gaming is huge, the market for it is huge, they can get away with a lot, and SP always did get away with a lot. But they have continually stretched that line more and more to the point we're at today, where no one is happy about the state of the game. Probably not even as profitable as it was either, since their deals aren't worth all that much anymore.

[wind willow]

Who knows. I wish there would just be SOME change soon. The only reason I still play this game is out of boredome and there are some small shining lights (events aren’t half bad, wars, and caverns of ascension) but at some point I might have to call it quits. If it gets to a point where I’d rather do nothing and be bored than open up the game, then I know it’ll be time to quit

[mint knot]

Events are not rewarding aside from BH, War restrictions have been a mess and CoA giving taking a month and a half for an old rank 5 monster is ridiculous, especially considering you need 3 Rank 4s to get that much anyway. This game doesn't reward you at all

[wind willow]

I know but still. It’s something to do, and I feel responsible cause when I redownloaded it my gf got it too and it’s something for us to do together. I just wish it had SOMETHING positive about it.

[rich ingot]

Ml is only fun when you're not playing it

[vocal notch]

Not entirely true

[wanton orbit]

You are absolutely correct but change comes from kindness, not demands

But yea the state of the game is garbage

[mint knot]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Change does come from demands, it always has. The community needs to put it's foot down.

We have been kindly asking for changes for years and nothing has changed, 2025 is a breaking point for the game, it will die if we don't hold the devs accountable for their complacency

[mint knot]

Also kindness and respect are two different things. We need to keep it respectful, no personal insults or threats because that's weirdo behavior. Be stern but don't be belligerent.

[dapper oyster]

lots of things have changed

[mint knot]

Not for the better, not the important things

[dapper oyster]

in your opinion

[mint knot]

One or two good micro adjustments sure

[mint knot]

The community has been almost universally complaining about pvp

This isn't just me

SP makes horrible decisions, people complain, and they don't do anything about it

[dapper oyster]

pvp complaints, yes, but it's only been a couple of months since stamina was introduced

[dapper oyster]

event board beta went at the first opportunity it could

[mint knot]

And that's not enough time to atleast acknowledge the community outrage?

Put out a community note?

The answer is no

[dapper oyster]

why do they need to do that?

[mint knot]

Is that a serious question?

[dapper oyster]

yes

[mint knot]

0 developer communication, 0 developer insight, I have to explain why that's an issue?

[dapper oyster]

what do you mean by insight

I'm asking why you think you're entitled to it

[mint knot]

I have to explain why going radio silent about changes until they happen and not listening to your community who is universally calling out bad changes is a bad thing?

[dapper oyster]

they didn't go radio silent

[mint knot]

We're* entitled to it. Developer communication is VITAL for the life of a live service game

[dapper oyster]

it isn't

[mint knot]

It has been for yeard

[mint knot]

?????

[dapper oyster]

it's not vital

[mint knot]

...

Idk what to say to you man, you're just replying "Yeah no" to objective truths, patterns of game development people have seen for years. The amount of content creators and regular players dropping the game isn't a sign to you? We have had the same unrewarding events and dungeons for years. What's the gameplay loop like these days? What event has had the community excited apart from BH since it's the only event that rewards you with anything meaningful? For christ sake they opened Feral Era with a reskinned ancestor. The only department at social point which has been fulfilling it's end of the bargain is the artists, the rest of the game is a crumbling mess where FOMO has become the main retention point

[dapper oyster]

dev communication is not vital

them not telling us anything makes things more expensive

them switching up events would leave us without guides for them at this point

[wanton orbit]

Who is actually able to control the changes? Genuine question

[dapper oyster]

and BH doesn't excite me lol

[mint knot]

So switch them up and tell us about it

[dapper oyster]

that's not how it works

[mint knot]

That's irrelevant. I'm talking about community sentiment

[dapper oyster]

people enjoy different things

[mint knot]

Community sentiment, the overall general feeling of a community towards something, enjoys bounty hunt

[dapper oyster]

they enjoy earning free gems

[mint knot]

Exactly, they enjoy being rewarded

Because no other event rewards you

[dapper oyster]

with gems

[mint knot]

And if they do, you get rewarded for only after spending obscene amounts of gems for mediocre rewards

[wanton orbit]

I remember hearing that the devs hands are tied for the big things

[dapper oyster]

"obscene"

feels like you're not enjoying the game, perhaps you should stop playing

[mint knot]

I don't know what department of Social Point makes the changes, but you USUALLY have people who will listen and relay changes, kind of like the people in the reporting bugs chat. They relay this information to the people in charge of the decisions and change is made

[mint knot]

Social Point's strongest soldier 🙏

[dapper oyster]

bug fixes would be handled by devs, game changing decisions would need an OK from the people in charge

[mint knot]

You don't seem to understand how discussion around a game works

[mint knot]

And the people in charge have no viable line of communication with the community, neither input nor output

[dapper oyster]

people in charge don't care

[mint knot]

And that's a good thing?

[dapper oyster]

nope

[mint knot]

And that's healthy for the longevity of the game?

[dapper oyster]

yes

[mint knot]

It's healthy for the longevity of the game that the people who would make changes don't care about the people who play their game?

[dapper oyster]

yup, money keeps the servers running

[mint knot]

You know what also does? Players.

[dapper oyster]

lol no they don't

[mint knot]

Changing the game ≠ make everything free

No one is asking for a 1k gems to be injected into their account when they complete an adventure map node

People are asking for quality of life

Why would I a couple hundred bucks 4,5k Sentium

That's not even enough for a rank 5 monster

[mint knot]

😐

Nah man you've lost the plot

[dapper oyster]

players are literally the opposite of keeping the servers running

[mint knot]

Players give the game money, through both in-game purchases and ad deals. Without players, you have no money, so you don't keep the servers up.

[dapper oyster]

yes, as i said, money keeps the servers running

[mint knot]

You have to be ragebaiting

This is crazy

[dapper oyster]

nope

[mint knot]

Player play game -> player buy thing in game -> money go to sp -> sp use money to keep server up

That's how it works

[dapper oyster]

and how much of the playerbase do you think spends money?

[wanton orbit]

I think the devs aren't allowed to change the things we want changed

Brings in money and therefore must stay as is

[mint knot]

A small portion of whales spend religiously, a decent portion spend from time to time, and the majority is F2P. That F2P playerbase also gets you money, through things like monsterwood.

[dapper oyster]

MW won't keep the game afloat by itself

[mint knot]

Is that what I said?

[dapper oyster]

you need the people that don't care about the game to make decisions on the financials, not giving in to the emotions of the playerbase, because the F2Pers can't keep the game alive by themselves

[mint knot]

There is a tipping point in that equation. Walmart can't charge a hundred bucks on a bag of milk and expect profits to rise. If you make the game too greedy, people stop playing, which means less people spend money on it.

[dapper oyster]

the majority of the playerbase are a drain on resources

[dapper oyster]

the non-spenders quit first

[mint knot]

I understand the sentiment but up to a point. Emotions of the playerbase can lead to people quitting, and therefore less money comes in at the end of the month.

[dapper oyster]

but also less resources consumed

turnover vs profit

[wanton orbit]

Yes, but that tipping point has, evidently, not yet been reached

[mint knot]

You have games like Raid who make tons of cash while being F2P friendly, way bigger game than ML, way more profitable, enough to sign deals with celebrities and triple A games. You can have a game be consumer friendly and be profitable, they aren't mutually exclusive

[mint knot]

But it's on it's way.

[dapper oyster]

lol, RSL is way less communicative than ML

[wanton orbit]

True. But if it profits, it stays until it does not profit

[dapper oyster]

RSL is literally the worst game you could have mentioned too, it was literally designed by a company that makes slot machines to be addictive to mobile gamers

[mint knot]

Ok, cool, so you can have multiple ways of improving the game. You can improve it even if the devs still want to remain radio silent 🙂

[mint knot]

Yeah, crazy how a game made by THAT company is more consumer friendly than ML

[dapper oyster]

devs can't say things without permission

[wanton orbit]

Idk I just wanna know how much the devs actually can do

[dapper oyster]

because billionaires drop 4k per weekend on it

[mint knot]

Cool, make ML worth dropping 4k per weekend

[wanton orbit]

All of my experience with devs communicating was with kerbal space program 2, and... well... you can google how well that went

[dapper oyster]

no thank you

[mint knot]

So the game shouldn't appease F2P players, but also not have good enough deals to make more people spend?

[dapper oyster]

the game shouldn't have enough deals that spending 200k a year is an option

you'd have to spend that much to compete

[mint knot]

So what's your pitch?

Have you seen the drop in views?

[dapper oyster]

views?

[mint knot]

Youtube

Content on this game isn't worth making

[dapper oyster]

who on earth needs to watch youtube for this game

[mint knot]

A game producing content is profitable

[dapper oyster]

so devs should make better offers and talk more so some youtubers can make money?

what a load of rubbish

[wanton orbit]

The people who watch YouTube for this game are the kind of people who don't want to play the game

[wanton orbit]

It doesn't help that all of the content is incredibly spammy

[mint knot]

No, they should make better offers while also making the F2P experience actually rewarding

[dapper oyster]

how is the f2p experience in RSL rewarding?

[wanton orbit]

I agree that they need to make the offers more enticing

[mint knot]

It's spammy because the game has become repetitive. During the eras where that wasn't the case, it was actually exciting

[dapper oyster]

RSL is even more spammy and repetitive than ML

[mint knot]

You can get max ranked champs in a week of playtime, dungeons are actually worth playing, PvP and Clans have much better relative rewards. Playing the game rewards you

[wanton orbit]

Just take a look at #ml-youtube .... that level of spammy isn't the fault of the devs

[mint knot]

It is to a certain degree.

[wanton orbit]

Youtubers can at least try to be creative and try new pvp teams in videos instead of just "look I hatched a monster"

[dapper oyster]

you can get them max rank in a week yes, but good luck actually getting them in the first place. Dungeons keep giving rewards because it takes years to actually get any decent equipment.

[mint knot]

The meta is so dominant and restrictive that you're not going to waste the stamina you get every couple of hours on trying some bad monster

[mint knot]

And what equipment do we get in ML dungeons?

One random Ancestral chest?

[dapper oyster]

thankfully none

[mint knot]

30 gems a week when removing one rune costs more than that?

100k gold a week in the dungeon?

Level 5 rune chests?

25k food?

Legendaries and epics?

[dapper oyster]

i'd take not having to do a dungeon over having to run it 1000s of times a day just to find 1 decent piece

[mint knot]

I've never seen a game's beginner tip be "Don't level up too much".

[mint knot]

How about not taking either and making the game more rewarding?

[dapper oyster]

how do you make it more rewarding?

[mint knot]

Make dungeons harder, make them actually scale with your account in a meaningful way to where you have to think about the battles to win. Dungeons are filled with outdated monsters so you just mindlessly click AoEs with monsters who have 10x the stats. They should be hard like Ancestor dungeons, restricted and with tough monsters. In compensation, give me genuine rewards for playing them. Maybe instead of 25k food which is nothing, give us 5M. 100k gold you make in a minute of playtime, give us gold in the Millions or billions. 30 gems should be for 1 dungeon, not the weekly supply

That's ONLY talking about dungeons

PvP, Events, Caverns of Ascension, those two can be made far more rewarding with just a little bit of thought put into it

[dapper oyster]

increasing the difficulty of the dungeon increases the amount of time you have to spend doing them

nobody wants that

[mint knot]

Ok? Player retention

[mint knot]

They don't want to do that because they aren't rewarded for it

And it's not fun

If the battles had thought put into them, they'd be fun

[dapper oyster]

ancestor sagas are fun because they are only once a month

and to be honest I don't really enjoy them

[mint knot]

"Lets release 1 fun thing to do per month"

[dapper oyster]

nobody wants to have to find hours per day just to do a dungeon that is necessary for account progression

games are meant to be fun not a chore

[mint knot]

Ancestor sagas are fun because they are MEANINGFUL and challenging, you get rewarded for your effort.

[mint knot]

It's already a chore right now

[dapper oyster]

i don't find that at all

[bold isle]

I miss dungeon raider

[dapper oyster]

there's nothing to do, so no it isn't

[mint knot]

If playing the game feels like a chore maybe it's just a bad game

[dapper oyster]

RSL needs RSL helper to not be a chore

[mint knot]

If adding "More game" to play is a bad idea

Then what is a good one

Like what do you want from this game?

[dapper oyster]

I like it as it is, but would like QoL improvements to speed up interactions

breeding filters, lab filters

[mint knot]

Do you spend?

[dapper oyster]

yup

[mint knot]

How much?

[dapper oyster]

none of your business

[mint knot]

What deals do you think are worth it?

[mint knot]

More than you should if you're that sensitive about it ig

[dapper oyster]

ways to gamble runes so that you can have level 1s and another level filtered at the same time

[dapper oyster]

nope, it's just none of your business

[dapper oyster]

passes, fk, smuggler's cave

[wanton orbit]

Allow me to introduce myself

I'd be willing to sacrifice a rank in the name of content

[dapper oyster]

pvp rank doesn't matter

this new system is terrible

but they listened to feedback when they swapped the eggs and changed the battle pass to give a r4 instead of a r2

[wanton orbit]

Exactly

Sorry the internet here is terrible so I see one message, send a message, and then the other 5 messages load

[dapper oyster]

the 2nd pass monster used to be fraternity only, and they listened to feedback on that

[mint knot]

So clearly only a couple of the deals are to your liking

[mint knot]

Agreed

[mint knot]

A R4 Mediocre mythic in a world of ancestors isn't really a great selling point

[mint knot]

Because most of them are bad

Most deals are bad and the F2P rewards aren't good enough. That's the main issue

Couple that with an overcentralized Meta and a bad multiplayer system

And you get a game the community is growing more annoyed at

[dapper oyster]

I don’t only collect monsters that are good, I don’t care about the meta

[dapper oyster]

You need bad deals to make the good ones look good

[dapper oyster]

All of historia they were, I don’t see that anger with the recently released monsters

[mint knot]

It's not a problem with the recently released ones per se, it's more about how meaningless a lot of them feel.

[rich ingot]

The game meta would be wayyy too complicated if all of them have a purpose and are actually decent in the slightest

Which is something sp has been trying to avoid

[mint knot]

I agree that not everything needs to be viable, it would indeed be too complicated. But atleast release more monsters with a fighting chance, maybe restrict ancestor usage or add more synergies, make the synergies stronger or something. It's been the same couple of monsters for more than a year now.

I'm saying this as someone with multiple max ranked ancestors, it's boring how much they centralize the meta.

Why use any attacker when you can use JJ? Any controller when Primerion exists? Any tank when Linnaeus exists?

They don't give niches to monsters

[wind willow]

Yeah man this ain’t worth it lmao. The devs and higher ups are out of touch, and we’re nothing but numbers and money to them lmao. If I had seen these messages earlier I would have told you that trying to argue with a discord mod to begin with was a mistake, and not worth it

[mint knot]

Yeah, it's wild. They deleted my suggestion too 😂😂

SP's strongest soldier on his way to defend the rich execs who are ruining the game

[wind willow]

Yeah man I just feel like the community is divided. There’s long term and newer free to play players who are upset with the obvious money grab gacha system that forces money spending, and then the wales who have gotten used to the spending tendencies, and have forgotten what the mass majority of players actively go through, and can’t really see what people are saying because they themselves are the problem. I get that SP needs money to keep the servers running but it’s honestly excessive. At this point, make the game 5$ and see how much money you make from that instead

[mint knot]

Wholeheartedly agree with everything said

Except for the 5$ part, just make the current business model more accessible

But you're spot on.

[clear stump]

Your post in #submit-ideas was literally just another "here's a suggestion, listen to the community" which gets "suggested" constantly, isn't an original comment and if anything just clogs up the channel.

[sacred plover]

Hello there what are we on about on this jolly christmas morning?

[rich ingot]

Coal for you that's for sure

[sacred plover]

Why me? 😢

[mint knot]

Maybe there's a reason it's not original

[rich ingot]

Look on the bright side. The game is so goddamn boring that it's a blessing for people with insomnia like me

[mint knot]

LMAO

[wind willow]

It’s a whole jolly argument if you wanna scroll up and look through it. Long story short, one of the mods got mad at someone for being vocal about some issues and a huge debate started

[dapper oyster]

This game is more like a football sticker book you can have fun with, you get to waste money on having the collection. Not every monster is Messi, and every year we get to see some repeats

[vocal notch]

imagine giving this much attention and effort to constantly talk about how bad the game is

[wind willow]

Does that person talk about how bad the game is alot?

[vocal notch]

alot is an understatement

[wind willow]

Damn that kinda sucks. It does get annoying when the hate is THAT repetitive but hey, some people REALLY care about this game

[wanton orbit]

Search "from: krem8907"

[vocal notch]

they in particular dont even care, they dont even play

theyve complained more than the rest of us combined

[wind willow]

Damn that’s kinda insane

[wanton orbit]

Thats a small exaggeration

[wind willow]

I can see why some of the mods/devs get upset about people complaining if it’s that repetitive

[wanton orbit]

Just so you know, Isa is a helper, not a mod

[wind willow]

Who’s Isa?

[wanton orbit]

Isabelle

[wind willow]

I still don’t know who that is. Is she like a helper in this server?

[wind willow]

Ohhhhhhh gotcha

I see

I was confused lmao

[wanton orbit]

I think they help manage the ideas channels

[wind willow]

Yeah that’s what their role says

[wanton orbit]

Ye

[clear stump]

Yeah I was wondering what you meant by mod

Like, I didn't even start the above discussion lol

Nor did Helen or Mama

[rich ingot]

because that's all there is to talk so i don't see your point

[dapper oyster]

you are so far removed from the game, your input is pointless

[rich ingot]

Just pointing out the obvious

[vocal notch]

as if everyone and their grandma doesnt already know that by now

[wind willow]

Yeah I’m aware I wasn’t really talking about you, you were just doing your job. I was more so saying that the Mods of the server can be understandably upset when people complain so repetitively

Don’t get me wrong, this game isn’t in the greatest state but if it was SO bad then I’d just quit. If you don’t even play, don’t bother speaking on behalf of others who still do yk?

[mint knot]

Pointless criticism just to dogpile on the game isn´t constructive, there´s a fine line between that and being frustrated with the game´s state.

[wanton orbit]

It's just pessimism

Pessimists are gonna be pessimistic

I like optimistic nihilism but that's ur choice

[signal lance]

I just exist and talk about ideas that I feel where made with uninformed opinions

[wind willow]

That’s true. I mean, that’s kinda what the sub if for. People give ideas, people debate those ideas, and in the end it really doesn’t matter that much. The chances of the devs seeing a message and changing the whole game based off it are slim to none but still, some action feels better than inaction

[signal lance]

100% agree, though I do still despise how the SC and DA change where most likely done because of new players

[dapper oyster]

I am still of the opinion that the SC change was overall more beneficial than it was detrimental

older monsters should go out of the meta over time

but T and MT monsters got done over by it

it doesn't make sense that they should have to be fast to be protective

[mint knot]

DA sure but SCs were overall a horrible decision. Atleast keep the positive ones.

[dapper oyster]

elvira should not still be viable

[signal lance]

Honestly I agree

I'm still on the boat that SC MT should still start at the beggining of the battle and that DA needs 3 charges

[dapper oyster]

with 3 to recharge?

[signal lance]

Nah, like 3 uses before it goes on a 2 turn recharge period

[dapper oyster]

not sure i like that

2 has been working fine for me

both offensively and defensively

[torn apex]

I mean it is at times no???

So are we just saying if your a dev you can just not communicate with anyone at all for your game got it

[dapper oyster]

correct

[mint knot]

Don't try to argue with him, he makes no sense.

[dapper oyster]

Lol

You used the word vital

The game will survive without communication

[mint knot]

.

[wind willow]

The game will survive but not for as long as it would if there was a more consistent form is communication. That’s like saying “your arms and legs aren’t vital cause even if you don’t have them you can still survive”. Besides, that’s a low bar. Devs should want their game to be able to do more than just “survive”

If I was developing a game, I’d want feedback and input. Cause just because my game might “survive” without it, doesn’t make it less vital to a game being successful. The most successful games allow open and fluid communication between player bases and devs

That all being said, we as a playerbase should try being nicer when it comes to feedback. We don’t need to be white knights but we should at least keep it professional when there is the rare chance that our feedback is taken into account. Devs don’t really have the time to get sucked into endless debates. They also are human too, and words carry power and meaning. We have valid arguments and feedback but we can be nicer about it

[dapper oyster]

not quite a good analogy, if you could fully amputate your arms and legs without bleeding out from main arteries then you'd still need a way to be able to provide sustinance to yourself

[dapper oyster]

absolutely, nobody is saying the devs don't want feedback, nor that they don't want to communicate. But if you're bought out by a massive company like take two, you have to answer to them, you can't go rushing into communications that go against the higher ups wishes

better to stay silent than say something wrong

[wind willow]

I agree. Sometimes it’s better to just stay silent than to say something wrong, but that doesn’t mean they we can’t be at least acknowledged. Sometimes it’s nice to be reminded that the player base voice IS being heard, even if they devs don’t outright say what changes will and won’t be made. I think I can speak for a lot of the player base when I say that the reassurance that our input is being taken into account would go a long way. I get it though that the devs are really just the middle man, suck between the higher ups and the playerbase. They don’t wanna get stuck playing messenger, cause they’ll be the ones who take the heat from both ends

[dapper oyster]

Rocks recently said this channel is read, and reacted with an emoji

[wind willow]

Thats good to know. If you don’t mind me asking, what role do you serve in the game? I’m aware that you’re a mod, but do you work for SP in any specific way, or is it just for fun?

[dapper oyster]

i'm not a mod

just a player

[wind willow]

Ohhhhh gotcha

I got confused

I thought you were a mod for the server

[dapper oyster]

no, those have orange, yellow or black names

[wind willow]

I see

[void wigeon]

3k sentium is much better than just 4.5 sentium 😪

Why we wanna change that

[torn apex]

That’s like 2 months ago though???

[vocal notch]

@hollow crow Temporary unofficial solution to your idea. Use MuMu Player if u wanna play on pc

[clear stump]

that was just over two weeks ago DDMMYYYY

and doesnt matter how recent it was tbh, whether it was 2 weeks or 2 months rocks is good and honest

[torn apex]

Oh

[wind willow]

@wanton orbit I covered what your asking for in more detail in a previous submit ideas post. It said…

“There should be more opportunities to get era summon tickets.

The games at a point where there are enough ancestors that there should be more ways to get the summon ticket at required to get said ancestors than just the treasure cave. The runs can be costly for those who are ftp and can’t drop money on gem packs, and so I believe there should be a way to EARN the tickets, not just buy them. Even just one of these ideas would be enough!

1. Era ticket game mode
   Game mode that you play to try and earn era tickets as a reward, like a PvP rework where if you win the battle, you can get between 25-50 tickets.

2. Add tickets to roulette spins
   Some of the roulette spins that come naturally in the game have outdated crap that isn’t even useful to the most beginner of players. Maybe add the era tickets to Monsterwood roulette spins, or era saga roulette spins

3. Caverns of ascension
   Make a new caverns of ascension that allows players to use ancestors to get era summon tickets. It would work just like every other cavern would with you getting 25 for the first floor, gradually going up to 400 for the last depending on rank, and you can do this daily. I personally like this idea, and another cavern for gems would also be cool lol

4. Purchasable in the team shop
   I like the mechanic of spending war coins to get high level runes and cells, it would be cool if you could also get era summon tickets out of a chest in the shop, it could be like 1k coins for 200 tickets and 1.8K for 400

5. Maybe just make the price cheaper
   $10 for 450 is expensive for people trying to play ftp and who aren’t wales. I mean if someone wanted a r5 ancestor which usually requires 10k tickets, that’s like $220. Even just like half the price would be so much better lol

These are just some ideas, and if SP can’t even do 1 of these, then at least increase the amount in treasure cave. Not everyone’s pay to win.”

Lots of people liked some of the ideas and I hope SP takes a look at possibly implementing 1 or 2 of them

[dapper oyster]

the thing about having one post with 5 suggestions in is that you can't vote on them individually

and you have to remember that everything that gets implemented from here has monkey paw wish treatment

"CoA takes too long" comes followed by an announcement that they are removing the older eras

[wanton orbit]

Oops sorry I have bad memory sometimes

[sacred plover]

😭

[sacred plover]

Point 5 is spot-on. The amount of tickets you get for X dollars should reflect the expected amount of tickets you'd earn if you bought X dollars of gems and spent them all on cave. Right now if you bought $100 worth of gems and spent on cave, you'd make a lot more then (I forgot, was it 5k or 10k?) tickets.

the rest of the points also sound really good, it'd be nice to have stuff like the team shop actually touched for the first time in forever

[wind willow]

Thanks. I feel like implementing any of the 5 ideas would be a huge step in the right direction, and I’m glad the community feels the same

[wind willow]

You’re all good, I wasn’t trying to say you shouldn’t have submitted your idea. It’s a good idea

[clear stump]

@dense sequoia use this channel to respond to the things you see in #submit-ideas please :)

@obsidian merlin probably best suited to #general-feedback ? Given its your feelings upon something you see in the game.

I don't think I agree with it, to an extent

[signal lance]

I do want to bring up how balancing the mons to be roughly equal to newer mons stats is basically impossible

[clear stump]

The old Buffed Island mechanic would be very useful in this aspect

Big buff for current era, small buff for previous era, smaller buff for era before that?

[obsidian merlin]

I'm not saying make all monsters the same speed, but having a monster at rank 0, have 5 thousand more speed than a rank 2 monster of the same rarity is stupid and way too big of a stat gap of two monsters in the same rarity

[clear stump]

Can you name the monsters?

[signal lance]

That kinda just defeats the entire point of it then since the newer mons just have the better stats

[clear stump]

Temporarily, being the point

So the actual stat inflation isn't as great, and older monsters are closer together in real stat terms

[signal lance]

This game sorts its mons not just by rarity, which lets be real is barely coohesive, but also by era's which favors the newer ones by a massive degree

[obsidian merlin]

My monster was fayemalice, and his monster was Anky

[clear stump]

So you're putting a 3+ year old monster vs a just-about new one?

[signal lance]

Its not even a just about, it literally is a new one

[clear stump]

Corrupted Era has been powercrept for a long time now, it's a very old monster, if you're putting a monster that old vs something new and actually expecting to win at all, do you expect SP to live without money? lol

[signal lance]

Honestly, after hearing what they used, I am dumbfounded

[clear stump]

Honestly I think they've defeated their own point 😂

[signal lance]

I agree

If it was maybe 1 or 2 eras ago, I could see their point but one liek 4+ is just no

[clear stump]

It's been not far off 4 years since Fayemalice was released. I'm sorry, but come on

[dense sequoia]

oh right

[clear stump]

:D

[dense sequoia]

yeah fayemelice is really old and ranking her up would also be incredibly easy because of the obtainability of old monsters

[obsidian merlin]

Has it really been that long since that monster came out? I've been away from the game a lot longer than I thought

[dense sequoia]

yeah you would’ve been

[clear stump]

Yes, it has been

Roughly Feb 2021

[dense sequoia]

and also the game does sort stats by eras

[signal lance]

Yeah, the Rarity is secondary, its the era that matters the most

[obsidian merlin]

Huh

[dense sequoia]

it uses more powerful monsters more and more every time to maintain popularity bc if there was all same stats then old monsters that had really overpowered stuff with new items or such and such will just stay as the meta and it will get boring

it’s so everyone has something to actually do

that’s like using king atum in todays meta

if he had the same stats he would be unstoppable

[obsidian merlin]

So basically I was really strong back then, but since I was gone for a few years I'm pretty weak compared to the newer eras... And I should prioritize getting the newer era monsters instead of just collecting any mythic monster, gotcha. I didn't realize different eras had a stat gap, looking at what you said tho I do understand why they do that

[dense sequoia]

yeah

i assume you just got back into the game

[obsidian merlin]

Recently within the past month yeah

Back when I played alot, the fire monk was my main monster I used, how old is he now?

[vocal notch]

back in the older eras the stat jumps were alright but last year or two there was a big gap that happened so now its a lot worse

[signal lance]

A massive example I want to give is Spekthra. Spekthra with modern stats would probably be the best Mythic in the game with a possibility of competting with Ancestors with acess to Unrellenting Assault

[vocal notch]

like 2 and a half years old i think

[vocal notch]

infinite et reallllllllll

[dense sequoia]

what’s the monster name i can’t think of that

[vocal notch]

monk flamorg from doomsday

[signal lance]

Monk Flameorg

[dense sequoia]

you know what else is massive

[vocal notch]

and doomsday was like early 2022 iirc

[dense sequoia]

monk flamorg is maybe 2-3 years old

[vocal notch]

💀

[dense sequoia]

that’s when i quit too

[dense sequoia]

💀

[obsidian merlin]

Danm, I didn't realize I was gone from this game for that long lol

[dense sequoia]

same lol

i had the same mindset when i got back too

[obsidian merlin]

Thanks for letting me know why there was such a big stat difference

[dense sequoia]

your welcome

icl back then monk flamorg and dark voltaik were so op

they were unstoppable

nobody could beat me

except lucky clint

i hated that guy

[livid cave]

Abyssal era spontaneously doubling the stats and dumbing down the skills heavily:

(I did not like the abyssal era)

[dense sequoia]

neither

i hated when stats were doubled when i got back

[livid cave]

I will give props to primal tho it's been ramping up skills so mythics are usable again in comparison to ancestors

[vocal notch]

yeah feral era has been good when it comes to mythics

little bit of balance, better mythics and worse ancestors

[dense sequoia]

fr

although the new ancestor r5 is just unstoppable

[signal lance]

Tbf, theres always at least 1 of these guys every era

Griffy, Baba (Pre bug fix), JJ, Prime, and now Sabe

[dense sequoia]

but sabe is genuinely unstoppable

megataunt with all that health

[signal lance]

Same could be said for a lot of them with the context of their release

[dense sequoia]

1.77m hp no runes

[dense sequoia]

that’s true

[signal lance]

Sabe is just another one who, in context with his release, really only has Anwir as its viable counter

[dense sequoia]

or a trait disable monster

am i cooked

wc

[signal lance]

Take it to #ml-general-discussion for this

[dense sequoia]

i did wrong chat

[sacred plover]

💀

[sacred plover]

YOOO ITS HAWK TUAH GIRL

[dense sequoia]

indeed

[dense sequoia]

i eradicated them btw bc of rapunstina light hater

did 2m dmg to everyone

[sacred plover]

real

[sacred plover]

I disagree

just use nanovirus + baby rev from prime

[dense sequoia]

ik trait disable cooks him

[sacred plover]

He doesn't even have ITC as a trait anymore

[dense sequoia]

what’s itc again?

[sacred plover]

Immune to control

[dense sequoia]

ohr

[sacred plover]

As long as you don't control another one of his allies you're good to go with primerion

just use CDA instead

Its limiting but not unstoppable

[hollow crow]

Thanks

[sacred plover]

@karmic fable manually controlling the monsters doesn't really work

[karmic fable]

😔

[wind willow]

@karmic fable even if manually controlling wouldn’t work it would be nice for the AI to be smart enough to know not to support the wrong monster. It’s annoying when the supports choose to support ONLY eachother and leave poor JJ out to barely tickle the monster while the supports use that 200% damage increase to use yet again another attack that does a wopping 0 damage. I know partly it’s a skill issue and you should know which skill sets would be most viable, but a large part of it is dumb luck

[karmic fable]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[wind willow]

[signal lance]

Dang, we seeing a lot of "Put x mon in y book" again

[dapper oyster]

yea, wielders is lacking

it only has literally everything

[signal lance]

I had a look at the book and it basically has everything

Like at this point, a mon not being in wielders would be a miracle

[dapper oyster]

they should add all the marathon monsters to the race book and then make that a restriction

[signal lance]

Pure chaos at its finest

[dapper oyster]

how's it any different to league of hunters

[dapper oyster]

@mint knot you can filter monsters by relic slot in the reliquary equip tab

[mint knot]

Ooh, didn't know that. Thanks

[wind willow]

I wonder how fun it would be if for one of the war restrictions, it was no restriction. Like, 2/3 are books, but one is just use whatever monster. It would be crazy and chaotic but also crazy fun

[dapper oyster]

@orchid wyvern if you go to breed something using the button in the monstagram, commons are at the top

[sacred plover]

micspence really been dropping bangers

[wind willow]

Thanks! 😊

[karmic fable]

what if 3/3 no restriction 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[wind willow]

[vocal notch]

@lucid tulip you can check each individual nodes leaderboard for monsters

[wind willow]

@wanton orbit I agree with the exit out of PvP thing. That would be a nice quality of life change

[wanton orbit]

@snow geode how would that work? Legendary stats are so bad, but they have good moves
The only thing that mythics have over legendaries are stats so I think it'd be very game breaking

If they have similar stats and similar moves, it'd be an unnecessary division between the two

In my eyes, legendaries are to mythics as epics are to legendaries

[snow geode]

Yes i agree but my point is that mythics are
Supposed to be rare
I remember the feel you get when first unlocking my first legendary long ago, now ppl dont feel that way

There are way to many mythics now adays that they surpass legendarys, its gotten so bad that

Even in bronze you see ppl with them much more than with legendarys

It’s overall ruining the power system

[wanton orbit]

That's the powercreep

If SP were to do that, they'd probably make mythics barely obtainable/pay only, and then make ancestors like $100 more than mythics

[snow geode]

Maybe they should buff legendarys and make mythics much harder to obtain

[snow geode]

Not true at all, you can get a mythic through treasure trove, card flips, dungeons and even the daily login chests

Even in the battle pass

Which isnt hard to obtain

[wanton orbit]

Buffing legendaries would be great

[snow geode]

Buff legendarys, buff mythics a little and make them much much harder to obtain

And then temporarily stop making mythics for a couple months

[wanton orbit]

"Way too many mythics nowadays" sounds like you think mythics should be rarer, thus removing those sources except for the $20 (or 1200 gems) paywalls

[snow geode]

They should

Ppl think of legendarys as just a better version of the uncommon monsters

Mythics are supposed to be rarer is just a thing that happens

[wanton orbit]

1. stop making good monsters
2. give us worse monsters
3. start slowly giving us ok monsters
   Isn't this partially why the state of the game is bad? They stopped giving us good mythics and started slowly giving us ancestors

[snow geode]

But its as common as a piece of papers

[snow geode]

They will do the same with ancestors, and make more of them than mythicss

[snow geode]

Clearly you feel butthurt that im suggesting this but most of the ppl that played back then would agree

The state of the game is bad because they make it to easy

[wanton orbit]

It was an abrupt swap from legendaries to mythics. What they are doing with ancestors is completely different
If they started giving us more and more ancestors, that's fine, it's just higher stats and better moves (more power creep, nothing normal)
What I have a problem with is making new monsters objectively and completely worse than old monsters. No progress, no fun, no profits, no game.

[snow geode]

Legendarys are stereotypically supposed to be at around the 2-3% chance to obtain mark.

And mythics are stereotypically considered to be at around 0.3-1%

And ancestors are even less of a chance at a whopping 0.01%

[wanton orbit]

I'm assuming you are referring to conjuring?

[snow geode]

I understand but if they focus less on the money and more on the enjoyment they should be able to fix it in around a year

[snow geode]

I have no idea what that is

[wanton orbit]

Because that is how most games do conjuring style things. 90% chance to get garbage to sell, 9% chance to get something ok that you might use once or twice, 1% chance to get something actually ok

[wanton orbit]

No money no game

[snow geode]

I thought you meant conjuring was a video game and im using the percentage based off that

[wanton orbit]

Rng. Chance to get a legendary, mythic, or ancestor

[snow geode]

No money no game? They have racked up millions on millions from monster legenda alone not including their other projects they are just getting greedy and want even more money

They have so much money that they can stop giving deals out and stop anyone from buying anything in monster legends for 7 years and still have enough money to support the game

Its just greed my friend

[wanton orbit]

The devs don't actually have the power to make choices, Socialpoint must bend to the will of TakeTwo, which cares about nothing but profits. They have to keep making money or they get shut down

They literally just shut down a company 5 months ago because it didn't have enough profits

[snow geode]

I understand the devs dont have the power to actually do anything to change the game besides following orders but one thing

You have mistaken is forgetting they are higher ups and can send messages to social point

[snow geode]

They did it as a threat to the community

A quick google and chatgpt search says social point off monster legends alone made 85 million dollars

I wonder where that money went

And thats from this past decade

[wanton orbit]

They shut it down and sold it. You can google "private division"

[wanton orbit]

To TakeTwo

[snow geode]

They bought it in 2017💀

[wanton orbit]

Social point is at the will of TakeTwo. Please the people who own you, or get fired

[snow geode]

Yes, which take two bought from them in 2017

But social point still has a large sum of equity in the company

[wanton orbit]

Sorry I meant intercept games

[snow geode]

Im going to have to trust you on this because nowhere does it say intercept games bought-monster legends

[wanton orbit]

That's not what I mean

TakeTwo (the greedy ones) shut down intercept games because it didn't profit. If Socialpoint does not profit, it will also get shut down

Socialpoint isn't the greedy one. It's taketwo. Taketwo does not care about any of us. It only cares about the profits generated by the companies it owns

[snow geode]

Well then im not sure what else to say about that, but monster legends can still buff up legenderys making ppl want them but make it balances in some way making ppl make teams of legendarys and mythics

[wanton orbit]

Srry gtg for a bit

[vocal notch]

the time for legendaries is long over

[wanton orbit]

Ok so the profits depend on the power creep. The power creep is necessary for this game staying alive. What you are suggesting (if I'm reading it right) is to remove the powercreep (and thus the profits) for however long is needed.

Alternatively, they'd boost new legendaries above current mythics, and then boost new mythics above those legendaries. That is exactly what is happening with ancestors and mythics now

If you don't like the power creep, you can play a different game or just accept there's nothing you can do about it

By buffing old legendaries, they help returning players who refuse to pay to catch up, at the expense of losing many of their current paying players

And they'd choose the current paying players over the old f2p players

Also how would they use the lore to explain legendaries being stronger than mythics?

Mythics are mostly legendaries on steroids, in terms of story

[wanton orbit]

In my opinion, the real problem is that it's easier to r5 an ancestor than it is to r5 a mythic

Ancestors are much easier to get as well, due to cave

[sacred plover]

@snow geode the legendary era is over for a reason. The legendaries were simply far too busted.

Not to say that ancestors are balanced, but neither would a return of old legendaries to the meta be.

I see no point in trying to bring them back

it's just a label

[rich ingot]

the problem with having over 1k monsters is trying to balance them so it's much easier for them to break it down and then re do everything from scratch every 5 months just to keep this game on life support

they've done it like what? 50 times now? It's a miracle that the cow is still alive

[sacred plover]

You're wrong. There's no problem with over 1k monsters- it's just a cycle of deprecation

The 1k monsters you see are just remains of old times

New monsters come, and they leave- everyone has had their spot to shine, some less, some more. That's the way this game works and I don't necessarily see a problem with that.

[rich ingot]

you just perfectly describe how power creep works

[sacred plover]

The legendaries had their time to shine, back in the legendary era.

I think now we should scatter their ashes to the heartless sea.

[rich ingot]

I wish. Now they just take up slots in my vault and I can't even sell them either because that would be such a waste of resources

[sacred plover]

krem is typing

[rich ingot]

screwdriver

[rich ingot]

Tbh, at that point i feel like the game is playing itself for you by the way it's forcing you to adapt or quit multiplayer altogether

Power creep isn't a bad thing on its own. It helps keeping things fresh for us players. But if you keep doing the same thing every era by adding 50+ new monsters with only 10 are usable and 7 of which are locked behind a paywall. It quickly becomes a repetitive sloppy mess of a game after the 5th reset

[sacred plover]

bro really took 40 minutes for that

[rich ingot]

grab a bag a screws and shove it down your throat

[sacred plover]

I believe that currently the power creep is not the problem- the problem is obtainability
Like tales is now unobtainable without spending 100+ gems unlike before and glp is paywalled

If everything is obtainable then everyone has it and it's not really a problem

[sacred plover]

• Cipher, 1975

[rich ingot]

It's more about usability than that. The game quite literally makes it harder for you to play and progress

[sacred plover]

I disagree. It's absolutely sustainable to grab the ancestor r5 every month f2p without tasks or surveys while growing your relic/rune collection at a steady rate.

[rich ingot]

Bounty hunt?

[sacred plover]

yep

You'll be slower than p2p players but it doesn't "keep getting harder"

[rich ingot]

people who said that already have the tools, knowledge and gems needed to actually profit from the event

[sacred plover]

the tools and knowledge are f2p
and no you don't need gems to get a solid profit from bh

[rich ingot]

please drop a wisdom bomb on my head on how are you going to make a decent profit from bh if i were to start the game 4 weeks ago

[sacred plover]

Wait for bh, farm bags, get monsters (the shop has previous FKs and damage boosters), save gems for cell weeks and get monsters, then when you're ready cook

As I said already, it will take time

[rich ingot]

That sounds like a 6 months worth of grinding before i can finally have fun

[sacred plover]

no it should take like a month

[rich ingot]

i'm not even complaining. That's just sad

[sacred plover]

It didn't take me longer than a month to get ready to cook in bh

it's really not that hard 🙏

[rich ingot]

that's a really solid tip. But you didn't account for
1.The time it takes for stams to recharge
2. Counting on bags for coins is a good way but it's insanely slow and also inconsistent with how little you get at L1-5.
3. Shop varies every season. If you're lucky enough to get a reliable attacker/buffer that time, you're good for the next hunt but if they put trash in there then it's going to be bag hunting all over again
4. Gems is sacred and hard to obtain. Getting a monster.. a reliable bh attacker to be exact for every season, 2 buffers and then also ranking them so they don't bottleneck your attacker because of stats gap

you can disregard of everything i said if you have enough patience for the game and given how engaging ml is, I doubt anyone with 90 hours in would have enough of it

[torn berry]

I started new account before 3 months ago and gems grinding very hard

[sacred plover]

1. just log in every 2 and a half hours
2. that's true but it's the best a beginner can do and they can easily obtain multiple r0 supports/attackers from previous gens and a previous fk
3. I agree, it does depends on your luck. If someone joined 2 months ago with chopork in the shop they got luckier than those with joanter in the shop. But eventually it won't matter as most previous FKs are just slightly better for some fugis in L1-L7. I remember having only JJ to attack in BH and I was fine. Also, point 4
4. You don't need a "reliable bh attacker to be exact for every season" because that is literally in the BH shop and it is called the "fugitive killer."

BHs where a previous FK like chopork is actually useful in L8 are fairly rare

[rich ingot]

When i say reliable bh attacker. I meant those that can actually hold their own against if not all but most fugitives.
For example, Ken has perma anti hater so he's gonna have an edge over most "fk". Chop has two haters, one of which is guaranteed and easy to setup and a triple damage move. Bonus point if the fugitive is a dark type. Jj whilst not having any hater for himself, he can give everyone light weakness, giving himself the upper hand.
Most fks nowadays have a very specific hater for a very specific fugitive that you might not even get. It's great if you get a fugitive that is built to get decimated by that certain "fk"but aside from that, they're nothing more than a situational beatstick. Hell, even Lazarbeam, a legendary can outdamage them which is ridiculous

[sacred plover]

• For example, Ken has perma anti hater so he's gonna have an edge over most "fk".

This is literally bull and idk how out of touch you are. the fks have a fugitive hater trait and additional haters suited to the fugitive.

• Chop has two haters, one of which is guaranteed and easy to setup and a triple damage move. Bonus point if the fugitive is a dark type.

Except dark hater is literally useless if the fugitive isn't dark, and as for bleed hater that's simply equivalent to the fugitive hater trait.

• Jj whilst not having any hater for himself, he can give everyone light weakness, giving himself the upper hand.

Is that a problem? JJ is one of the easiest monsters to get for beginners, no joke.

• Most fks nowadays have a very specific hater for a very specific fugitive that you might not even get. It's great if you get a fugitive that is built to get decimated by that certain "fk"but aside from that, they're nothing more than a situational beatstick. Hell, even Lazarbeam, a legendary can outdamage them which is ridiculous

Ok I don't even understand half of what you mean by this but every BH you can easily get the FK suited to the l8 fugitive within 2 days. It simply is not as bad as you make it sound.

Also, JJ has a 2.5x buff via light weakness and stronger stats. He can easily deal with almost every fugitive from l1-l7

[vocal notch]

krem still lives in pre abyssal

[sacred plover]

this guy istg 🙏

[rich ingot]

I have my own observations and you have yours. It's more fun when we bash each other doing this

[sacred plover]

fair

[rich ingot]

Wait are we still talking about the fk released in that season or them but no longer have fugitive hater trait?

[sacred plover]

the fk released in that season

[rich ingot]

Ohh

I was talking about the ones after that

But still, the cost efficiency to get them in their prime is laughable for a beginner that is only hunting bags

[clear stump]

Kenecro is still a pretty mint go-to if you don't have anything else tbh

The Anti Hater does a nice buff, if you have nothing else

[rich ingot]

My bad. I should've worded it better tbh.
It's a necessity to have a set of decent damage dealers every season to handle lower league fugitives so you can actually get that season's fk on time to start profiting from the hunt. Trying to get them from farming bags is slow and tedious. Even if you somehow get enough coins for them. The hunt is probably 2 hours away from ending and that said fk is now your average joe attacker like most fks released prior to them

Yea that's what I'm trying to say. I was really confused on why did you advise newbies to get old fk

Fair. Having some is better than none

[slim magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

I will read when i wake up maybe lol

[vocal notch]

read it when ur about to go to bed

helps with sleeping faster

[slim magnet]

😂

[rich ingot]

Can confirm. I got a full 8 hours of sleep in the span of just 3 hours

[loud raptor]

Atleast my suggestion is helping people

Good sleep is important