ideas-feedback-discussion

[fresh ore]

apparently the size of all wikipedia articles is 21 GB excluding media which is not a whole lot considering there's like 10 million articles

but that's off topic

generally if they can't put the text in their servers they've got a problem lmao

ye all feedback here is ignored anyways

[clear stump]

I don't think they'd want to just dump text files on players of which monsters were alive, how much hp and stam, how many relics used and how many charges etc

[fresh ore]

it'd be like an info thing you could tap on or something and it'd say final stats or whatever

ive gotta have also proposed like a million different things for this multiplayer replay thing by now this would be like the absolute last resort lmao

[magic coral]

We can already see the enemy's skillsets, stats and runes. Just adding a picture in gray to know if they died isn't any big difference. Stamina remained is just a number

[wanton orbit]

@grizzled creek joke suggestions are the entire reason they don't really pay much attention to this channel

[raw swan]

I think they are being serious

[wanton orbit]

If it is serious then idk

[brittle briar]

😂

[tired fossil]

[marble ether]

he speaks facts, give 1/10th the gems you currently do

then decrease all costs to 1/100th

[wanton orbit]

That, I'd like

[vocal notch]

And then release yet another beta that "temporarily and permanently at the same time" decrease gems yet again

[marble ether]

remember titan dungeons? yea me neither

[vocal notch]

Atp it doesnt matter what we put in these channels

[vocal notch]

What

[wanton orbit]

Might have remembered them if everyone had them

[marble ether]

they made an announcement about a beta for the titan dungeons, which was very surprising. But anyways select people got a free ancestral relic. then it just disappeared without a word into the abyss lol

[wanton orbit]

True sadly

[marble ether]

(you just reminded me about it on the topic of "betas". I thought we'd get them after the initial round but nope its just gone)

[raw swan]

Hm, I can’t even tell tbh

[wanton orbit]

If it is serious, then they either think this is a different server, have tasks confused with ml, or I have no remaining faith in humanity

[raw swan]

Probably the last one

[marble ether]

unless they p2w and dump money like nothing they are definitely joking

[clear stump]

I do delete obvious joke suggestions.

Not surr when adventure map items were removed, but I'm sure it was pre 2021. When the user first sent a message.

[grizzled creek]

I’m being serious

[signal lance]

Sometimes my faith in this playerbase is put to the test

[thick thunder]

😭

[brittle briar]

😂

Cap

[spice breach]

@grizzled creek I love the new idea you posted, but the game is p2w enough, so the entire thing should be doable f2p

[grizzled creek]

There’s always gonna be advantages for every new feature for p2w players. At least this would benefit both players and providing everything to everyone and not gatekeepinf some items from the f2p community

[marble ether]

its fine, the devs don't pay attention to these channels anyways so no ones opinion matters

[brittle briar]

Where’s my feedback

[clear stump]

i eated it

[slim magnet]

Ate*?🤓

[normal tiger]

🤓 ☝️

[scarlet vector]

@raw swan You can still get it but you'll probably have to wait until next next era to get it out of a chest lol

[raw swan]

Yeah I know, but I mean the people who’ll get it now especially since they’ll have a big advantage

[signal lance]

Is this the schoolbug bug?

[sacred plover]

@fresh ore I think it is a beta 💀

[fresh ore]

i know that it is lol

[sacred plover]

Also i would love deterministic ways to get tickets but I don't think everyone is sick of gambling. I just think there should be more oppurtunities to get gems so it's easier to get a sufficient amount. I personally think gambling is kinda thrilling yknow

Just my opinion

[fresh ore]

I think gambling in a game with a large playerbase of kids is not very moral personally

I don't think gambling should be the only way to play either though

imo tickets should be obtainable by actually playing the game rewards are lackluster in every event now so tickets would fill it really really well

[clear stump]

I feel like 15 tickets per set is too low to even be worth looking at.

[fresh ore]

i don't know the entire works of it

my friend said 2nd set is 25

assuming it stays like that every time

that's 1900 golden tickets per month

with still having good sleep and plenty of time for other stuff

this is even better if they made tickets in every event like I've been suggesting

[dapper oyster]

@dense sundial the L12 rune was only in the pass for birthday month passes

[dense sundial]

noooo

[raw swan]

Those 2 12’s should’ve been permanent tbh, not too huge of a change, but would’ve increased glp sales I bet

[dapper oyster]

GLP is like the best value purchase in the game, even after they made it half as valuable, and then half as valuable again

what level the runes are doesn't really matter

[raw swan]

Well it does help in getting a reliable source of good runes, especially for gambling, the level definitely does matter to most

[dapper oyster]

it doesn't matter to the value of the pass

[grizzled creek]

They should make a life size zyla the faithful pillow

[fresh ore]

we need the cell converter already... but that's never happening (it would require sp to add a good feature)

[fresh ore]

it probably still is one of the best value offers but i can confirm im still never buying it with the main reason being that the value has been watered down badly, it needs everything it can get

i can buy several really good games for the price of a glp, i think it should have a lot more for its price

[thick thunder]

😭 🙏

[raw swan]

Oh lord I can only imagine what that’ll be used for 😭

[dapper oyster]

indie games with no overlords

[fresh ore]

fr

[grizzled creek]

I think you already know

[raw swan]

…

[thick thunder]

💀

[fresh ore]

faction books giving runes would be 💯

there's little incentive to collect non mythics and this would be so good for that

[grizzled creek]

@slim magnet where’d you see the news

[slim magnet]

Which news?

[tired fossil]

he meant "new" ig

[dapper oyster]

there is a news article for the monsterloot though

[slim magnet]

It's beta too I think

[dapper oyster]

yea

[clear stump]

@slim magnet the message about monsterwood should go in #general-feedback , there's no idea there.

Thanks :)

[slim magnet]

Make it everyday + make it no-beta

But yeah you are right

Ty tho

[fresh ore]

glitch read my mind again

[dapper oyster]

@cinder hearth he's literally called schoolbug

[clear stump]

The people who get to keep him are happy
The people who didn't get him are unhappy
Honestly I'm sort of surprised they aren't taking achoolbug back and issuing compensatory gems

[dapper oyster]

schoolbug was available to purchase for £30

[clear stump]

But demanding compensation for those who didn't get him that's... no

[clear stump]

That's probably why they're not taking it back lol

[dapper oyster]

yea

[raw swan]

So did you get him?

[clear stump]

Yep

[raw swan]

Well that’s why you’re happy

[dapper oyster]

I bought mine and exchanged my tokens early

[clear stump]

You had to go out of your way to do something in order to get him, due to SP error making him available, putting the players who got him at an advantage
Just because you didn't do the thing when it was doable doesnt mean you should then receive compensation. You remain unaffected in a sense
The only way SP could get out of this is either give the players who got him gems and take the monster back, or the route they're currently taking. They aren't going to give the entire player base 1300 cells

Its not the first time a momster has been available when it shouldn't be, looking at velvet Tom, xiron the great, wm zahra and probably more historical examples. They just left it be

[dapper oyster]

or that event board that gave everyone tier 4 ancestor relics

on repeat

[raw swan]

Alright, forgive me for saying this, but if you also didn’t get him, you would understand more, another thing is, this was an exploit, it’s not a nice word but that is the definition of the situation

I get that you had to go out of your way to go to shop and spend tokens, but that doesn’t make it any less annoying

[dapper oyster]

it's not an exploit

people didn't go out of their way to break the game in order to get it to work

[raw swan]

An exploit is taking advantage of something for one’s own personal gain

That is what it was

[dapper oyster]

make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand

it wasn't underhand

[raw swan]

Not saying anybody shouldn’t have taken advantage of it, but I am saying that it is quite literally the definition of an exploit

[raw swan]

There are a few ways to word it I suppose

[dapper oyster]

exploits in gaming are always from something underhand, otherwise it's just a bug

[clear stump]

I don't know if I'd go so far to call it an exploit given it was rectified and finite

Also I don't really care about the overall situation. My schoolbug has been sat in crafting pod since Friday so I'm not going to say I'm unbiased, but it's not like I can't see both sides

[livid cave]

I'm happy with sp letting players keep it if they got it from the bug. Any kind act to any players is a step in the right direction imo

[raw swan]

I’m not saying it was a situation where people intentionally looked to use something for themselves, I’m just saying that this is a situation in which the definition matches, it’s not anything bad necessarily but it is just the definition of the word

[clear stump]

I just can't picture how any form of compensation to players who didn't willingly abuse and gain from a bug would be justified

[raw swan]

You just stated an exploit…

[clear stump]

Fairs I guess

But don't let semantics distract from the actual point at hand

[dapper oyster]

exploits in gaming aren't the same as the general definition of the word

[raw swan]

Listen, this situation is more annoying than bad, it’s just an exploit that happened and people used it, that’s all

[brittle briar]

Huh

[clear stump]

I always see an exploit in gaming as something repeatable or infinite

[raw swan]

I wouldn’t say that

[clear stump]

Read up

[brittle briar]

I did

[raw swan]

Most are eventually patched like this one

[clear stump]

Then what's the huh

[brittle briar]

You think people who didn’t get it should just get nothing ?

[clear stump]

I mean what do you think there should be? They didn't take advantage of a bug

[dapper oyster]

yes

[brittle briar]

Didn’t take advantage of it? I was asleep, not my fault I have the worst time zone for this game 😂

[dapper oyster]

move countries

[clear stump]

They could've just nerfed the monster to oblivion and then that way everyone's happy except the people who paid cash for it

[dapper oyster]

change sleep schedule

[raw swan]

Then SP should take responsibility for it and either compensate or remove the monster, two options they could’ve done

[brittle briar]

Yeah and that isn’t good for the people who bought it

[dapper oyster]

can't remove it from people who paid cash

[clear stump]

OK?

[clear stump]

What I said yeah

[raw swan]

I suppose, but there is always refunds, especially considering they’ll just buy it again later

[brittle briar]

Nah they can’t do that

[dapper oyster]

I wouldn't buy it again later

[raw swan]

Why’s that?

[dapper oyster]

I bought it because it was a week early

[clear stump]

But what compensation should there be
They won't give 1300 cells to the player base as its unfair on those who paid cash

[livid cave]

I think something to keep in mind is that ppl who log onto the game early were the ones who got schoolbug, meaning it was committed players who check on Friday early who got it (I was eepy and didn't care so I didn't get him)

[brittle briar]

But they did give 1300 cells to the player base

[clear stump]

I got him just because I was on the bus to work and was already invame lol

[brittle briar]

[raw swan]

Even the egg is fine, or some amount of cells, not saying anything crazy, just something fair

[brittle briar]

That means nothing

[clear stump]

No they didn't
I'm talking a compensation popup. Not a bug you have to go and do something for

[brittle briar]

Committed players means players who live in Europe

😂

So committed for checking the game at noon

[raw swan]

The committed? So it’s my fault and problem that I couldn’t wake up at sunrise to play a game?

[clear stump]

SP have acknowledged it wasn't intentional

[brittle briar]

Fr

Not even sunrise for me

[raw swan]

Exactly

[clear stump]

Unfortunate

[brittle briar]

No

[raw swan]

You can say you see both sides, but you do have some bias that can’t be removed, so sorry if that’s harsh

[dapper oyster]

all this conversation here is why they couldn't do anything about it

[brittle briar]

Yeah clearly can’t see both sides

[clear stump]

I acknowledged I am not unbiased lol

[clear stump]

Precisely

[raw swan]

I’m saying in general

[clear stump]

Nobody's happy if they take any sort of proper remedial action

[livid cave]

Man I'm trying make this a positive thing. If people complain when sp does us a favor, you think the same courtesy will be shown again?

[raw swan]

What does this conversation have anything to do with the devs who don’t even view it?

[brittle briar]

People who have the monster now lose absolutely nothing if everyone gets it except an unfair advantage they shouldn’t have in the first place

🤷‍♂️

[clear stump]

This isn't the first time people have gotten a monster when they shouldn't have and have been allowed to keep it

[dapper oyster]

because what we are discussing is what they had to discuss amongst themselves

[brittle briar]

Do you have Schoolbug

[clear stump]

This is just the standard way of doing things on sp's terms

[raw swan]

A favor for those who got it

[livid cave]

Nope

[brittle briar]

So what favor did they do for you? 😂

[raw swan]

Clearly there’s was a short conversation

[dapper oyster]

how do you know

[clear stump]

They couldn't really take the monster away either, it will have been used in pvp, war, gems will have been spent to get it crafted and hatched and ranked, counted towards monstagram and books etc

[livid cave]

None. But I do find them being kind to the player base something to be rewarded with positive feedback

Some Positive feedback when it can be found can do a lot more than just nonstop scalding critique

[brittle briar]

What part of this is kind to the player base

Kind to half the player base is better

[livid cave]

I hope this is a stepping stone to being nice to players all around

[clear stump]

I don't see your point tbh

[brittle briar]

Well obviously it isn’t if this has happened previously

[raw swan]

Well, they chose between going down the path that was harder (taking all cells) vs. the easy path which is doing nothing

[clear stump]

This is literally just their normal procedure for monsters being obtainable abnormally

[dapper oyster]

how do they take cells away from people that crafted or ranked with them

[raw swan]

They take the monster then

[dapper oyster]

I have 0 schoolbug cells, and I bought the monster

how do they revert mine?

[raw swan]

I understand that, you’ve said it quite a lot, but refunds are something that exist

[clear stump]

Like I got Jestin r0 from floor 30 in Cave twice
They didn't take that away from me, they just changed it to the intended monster and let me keep my takings

[dapper oyster]

they don't refund

[clear stump]

This isn't the first time nor the last time this will happen, and SP will just do the same thing next time

[dapper oyster]

you have to go through apple/google to refund

[brittle briar]

Bruh all they gotta do is give everyone the cells

Or the egg at least

[raw swan]

The egg by the least

Or make tales slightly easier on Friday or something

[clear stump]

Which they won't as it means people have no reason to do tales, and completely frustrates those who paid money to access it early as its not fair on them

[brittle briar]

Bro too bad

🤣

[clear stump]

Make tales easier would be funny, at least for the egg

[dapper oyster]

will be difficult to calculate the new cost if they change how much is needed to be collected

[livid cave]

If we just keep blasting hate after hate with no attempt to reward any degree of kindness I find it hard to believe they'll be nice again, if being nice results in the playerbase getting angry anyway. If they see it as a lose lose, they won't extend this kindness anywhere else, such as betas and gems, thinking the playerbase will hate it anyway. If they fear changing things, the same loop will continue forever

[dapper oyster]

they should swap the 100 cells to an egg to be honest

[brittle briar]

They won’t be nice anyway

No reason to be nice

To them

[raw swan]

I mean, people saw this, they knew it was a mistake and still bought it, so if they removed it, that’s kind of on them, and they would be the ones with the hate, sorry

[raw swan]

$15? $20? There

[brittle briar]

They didn’t say they’ll let you keep it because they’re feeling nice, it’s because they don’t want people who bought it complaining

😂😂😂

[dapper oyster]

no I mean how many hours to spend on each node to get it cheaper

[clear stump]

I still don't see what your point is
There's multiple examples of SP errors allowing players to get wrong monsters/get monsters when they shouldn't, and they don't do take backs. There's no favour being done here nor any kindness. It's just standard SP modus operandi

[raw swan]

I see your point, but you have to realize that this company has been given positive feedback yet have not tried to fix things

[dapper oyster]

I did not think schoolbug showing up for cash was a bug, i thought they had decided to move it earlier because getting it a week early is a lot better timing than having to wait for craft and hatch during tales

just like they changed bounty hunt stamina to the saturday for a few months

that really helped getting to L8

[clear stump]

That was strange and I'm glad they changed it back

[raw swan]

I suppose I see that, but it is still something that should’ve been thought about for a bit ig

[raw swan]

Definitely have to disagree there

[dapper oyster]

I have no impulse control

[raw swan]

Yeah that’s fair, most of us have that too probably

[clear stump]

I prefer having stam to spend in L8 than stam to get up to L8 with tbh

[livid cave]

Ik but the principle is that this is something that benefitted some players. I personally feel positive feedback will have more effect. Especially when they made it seem they were considering the alternative of removing the gained cells and/or banning people who used it. I don't want them to have more justification for punishing the playerbase

[dapper oyster]

L7 is a slog

[clear stump]

I haven't made it to L8 at all in the past 6 months. 😂

[raw swan]

Don’t even understand why they don’t do multiple MW stamina events tbh during bh

[clear stump]

Same? Sort of

[dapper oyster]

MW stamina on saturday saves me 700 gems lol

[raw swan]

I guess that explains it

[dapper oyster]

I don't even watch the wednesday one

[raw swan]

More stamina from MW = more loss of money from people buying gems for stamina

[dapper oyster]

they put the wrong pvp monster in this last one, so I didn't need a single thing from it, just used it to make gems instead

[clear stump]

Taking schoolbug back and refunding any gems spent to do so isn't a punishment when you know the monster shouldn't have been there in the first place, and they would not ban people who got it as there was no third party at play - all blame lies on sp with this

[dapper oyster]

it was a "first x people to do this" promotion they accidentally ran

[clear stump]

P much

[livid cave]

They did make a mistake in releasing schoolbug like this that may be harmful. But I feel if no gratitude is given, they might next time not give any compensation to those who got the monster, or something to that effect. Especially with the announcement before that they were considering what to do, leads me to believe something entirely different could have occurred, and it felt like the players who got schoolbug early would face some form of reprimand. I admit it isn't fair, but I'd rather this than having the ones who got schoolbug early punished and maybe not given compensation. I fear poking the bear here might lead to a different approach in future scenarios

[dapper oyster]

ah so you are being fake in order to be self-serving in future

[clear stump]

Nobody would face reprimand as SP pushed their product with the error
Taking schoolbug back was what I expected but to see they danced their usual dance, I don't have any feelings about it
I don't think they deserve praise for responding the same way they always do in this situation

[dapper oyster]

They deserve to not be complained at

[clear stump]

They're not doing anyone a favour

[livid cave]

I'm being "fake" so they don't think their player base is ungrateful

[livid cave]

A common courtesy of holding a door is expected, but you'd still say thank you

[dapper oyster]

that would be someone going out of their way to hold the door open

[clear stump]

The holding of a door is a wilful action to aid someone else. This schoolbug issue isn't LOL

All sounds a load of nonsense to me

[livid cave]

I'm just concerned the status quo for scenarios like these could change. The game has been changing a lot of fundamentals recently, like resource dungeons and pvp, so imo a change in how they deal with situations like these is a possibility.

[cinder hearth]

Well it’s a bad decision they ,ade

[dapper oyster]

they should join my team

[cinder hearth]

People who didn’t exploit the bug got punished, sounds stupid to me

[dapper oyster]

you didn't get punished

[cinder hearth]

Fine, penalized

[dapper oyster]

didn't get penalized either

[cinder hearth]

Yes we do

[dapper oyster]

nothing happened

[livid cave]

I mean, schoolbug isn't a gamebreaker here either. He's got one useful skill, max, that he might not get to use because of his trait

[cinder hearth]

To you, you whaled anyways diesn’t change anything for you

[cinder hearth]

He will be in colo

[dapper oyster]

you had nothing happen to you, nothing good, nothing bad

[cinder hearth]

Thats not the point. Others had something good happening to them because they exploited a bug

[dapper oyster]

correct

you missed out on an opportunity

SP has not punished you for it

[cinder hearth]

An opportunity that wasn’t intended

[dapper oyster]

doesn't matter

[cinder hearth]

That bug cost nothing to people, so costs nothing to remove

And to be fair with everyone

[dapper oyster]

too difficult to reverse

[cinder hearth]

That had the things called “morals” to not exploit a bug in the game

[dapper oyster]

just so they could whinge about it 3 days later

[cinder hearth]

Whats whinge…

[dapper oyster]

whine, complain

[cinder hearth]

They could do it

[dapper oyster]

absolutely, but doing it surgically would cost them too much in wages

it's not worth it

[livid cave]

Maybe it shows and I'm biased because of it because I spend most of my time relating to ml in chinchilla, but we thought something VERY different would happen

[cinder hearth]

Well thats not supoosed to be the player’s problems anyways

[dapper oyster]

nobody sensible thought people would be banned

[dapper oyster]

correct, and it isn't

[cinder hearth]

Then players shouldn’t be gaining an ingame advantage over me because thy exploited a bug

[dapper oyster]

what advantage

[cinder hearth]

Of getting a monster for free that usually take a lot of ressource to get/rank up?

[dapper oyster]

that isn't an advantage over you

[cinder hearth]

Wdym itks not

[dapper oyster]

someone else having schoolbug doesn't have any bearing on your gameplay

[cinder hearth]

Thats not what i said💀

[cinder hearth]

Yeah, it doesn’t bear on my gameplay but they have an advantge

[dapper oyster]

no, they have schoolbug

you can get schoolbug on friday

[livid cave]

I will say, I don't think schoolbug is gonna be very relevant. The only thing he has going for him is that aoe ner, which I have a feeling might come back on an ancestor now that the door is opened. Otherwise, he's unremarkable, and easily beaten by basically any ancestor this era

[cinder hearth]

That wasn’t supposed to be unlocked like this at all high rank for free

[dapper oyster]

123 is not high rank

[cinder hearth]

In colo he’ll be used

[livid cave]

The colo that's disabled?

[dapper oyster]

it only runs 2 weeks now

[cinder hearth]

Next week it won’t?

[dapper oyster]

so you have to spend 300 gems crafting hatching ranking, on top of tales cost, to get the monster in time to use in colo

[cinder hearth]

Ew

[dapper oyster]

yea

I've had the past 2 tales r5 and not used them in colo, no point

you can complete it for the runes and tokens without them

[livid cave]

What

I don't

What's going on with Colo I will admit I haven't cared about it

Last I heard it got summary executed

[dapper oyster]

it's been in beta for 2 months

titanium only, 5 nodes, get a bunch of runes and tokens

and you get 9999 stamina, at least we did for the beta

could all change next week

[brittle briar]

That’s you

[livid cave]

Hmmmm

[cinder hearth]

And that’s rly gonna be how it looks like?

[dapper oyster]

yes, that's why i said "I've"

[dapper oyster]

that's how it's been for 2 months, may be different now that it's out of beta

[fresh ore]

schoolbug has the colo champion thing what does that even do

[dapper oyster]

same as fugitive hater

does triple damage this season

[cinder hearth]

It’smlike faction bonus

[fresh ore]

ah

[cinder hearth]

*gives triple damage no

[dapper oyster]

triple points

[cinder hearth]

Okok

[brittle briar]

I thought it’s triple dmg cause it’s a hater

[cinder hearth]

It’s the same thing anyways

[dapper oyster]

only if it's area

[brittle briar]

Oh is it not

[dapper oyster]

no idea

as i said i haven't used them

[brittle briar]

Yeah it is

[dapper oyster]

coloseum ends before i finish ranking

[brittle briar]

Area

[rich ingot]

If you actually have "morals", you shouldn't be playing games like monster legends lmao

[dapper oyster]

thanks Krem

[rich ingot]

The man is back

[cinder hearth]

Ig but thats kinda not the point💀

[rich ingot]

Sp is known for breaking stuff that ain't broken and spitting in their playerbase. For a game that is a husk of what it once was, there's no reason for them to give you any compensation for not getting on time to exploit the bug

[marble ether]

its not that they should have given compensation to those who didn't, they sohuld have done something about those who did like just removing schoolbug from their account and compensating the gems/tokens

it is dumb that people have to spend hundreds of gems for what people who just happened to be online got instead

[sacred plover]

Bruh i travelled internationally one day before the bug dropped

I'm screwed this colo 💀

Just because i wasn't online means i can't have a free r2 historia colosseum champ 💀

[dapper oyster]

only hates the current season's colo

[sacred plover]

Star sailors haters too would bang this colo

[dapper oyster]

so do tales?

[sacred plover]

I aint spending gems bruh

Its like lot of gem 💀

[dapper oyster]

its a lot of rewards

[sacred plover]

even 100ish would be acceptable for me

[dapper oyster]

130 gems for r0

[sacred plover]

It's a mythic i'm never using outside of this season's colo

[dapper oyster]

no need to use it just to complete the colo

[sacred plover]

true

[dapper oyster]

and if you aren't prepared to whale you probably aren't going to get a good position anyway

[sacred plover]

Eh

[raw swan]

That x3 is the difference between 50 and 150 billion

[dapper oyster]

sure and how much do whales get

[raw swan]

Well tbh I’m not sure, but I do now that x3 is easily the decision between top 1 and top 10

[marble ether]

we'll see how it is but the number of people who have 14s and actually care is a small %

could say having 14s is whale territory but anyways

[dapper oyster]

probably - I got 102nd in beta without trying, but obviously there was only a subset of people

and I didn't use the tales monster

[raw swan]

Clearly a majority will be since a lot of people got it with the exploit, guess we’ll see how much harder top 10 or even top 100 is now

[marble ether]

I got top 50 never spent ever and only 14s on jj

prob drop to top 100 once everyone actually has it lol

ah, tales was in your beta

no wonder

[dapper oyster]

I don't plan on using it

and if they've lowered the rewards because its out of beta I probably won't do it at all

[marble ether]

I just want the monster for war. barely any ners around

[dapper oyster]

not sure how much play it will see in wars

[brittle briar]

Which one

[dapper oyster]

schoolbug

[brittle briar]

Useless for wars tbh

Only good for Colo

[marble ether]

I don't have anyone else to use for death count, tho if you have rapu setup with runes I would never slot them instead of her

[dapper oyster]

just dies to toxins, better using tito

[marble ether]

ah right those dumb traps/amulet, one day I'll get them

it does have essence at least

[dapper oyster]

yea

[fresh ore]

its not only the top 100 super competitive players who got schoolbug

it really really is as simple as it is not fair and you cannot say that it isnt

[dapper oyster]

I really can

[fresh ore]

people have something which others don't, its inequality

it requires hundreds of gems and prim to get what some did

[dapper oyster]

you can get it friday

[fresh ore]

yup, for 200 gems, and 1200 prim

[dapper oyster]

1150 prim

[fresh ore]

oh fr

[dapper oyster]

you have your 50 tokens you can use

[fresh ore]

that's fair then

[dapper oyster]

yup, anyone that used their 50 still has to use gems to unlock the keys so they can spend all the other "free" tokens they get from MW today and thursday

[fresh ore]

your not forced to spend all your tokens

[dapper oyster]

but that's unfair then because some people did spend their tokens

[fresh ore]

huh

[brittle briar]

Don’t bother

[thick thunder]

@livid cave that only happens with wolpendinger, cause that move gives him a 2-turn evasion

[livid cave]

oh thank God

Close one

[signal lance]

What happened?

[livid cave]

I thought for a second there evasion was getting nuked

[thick thunder]

that wouldve sucked

[livid cave]

Thought evasion was getting the da treatment

[signal lance]

Ah

[livid cave]

Evaris does NOT deserve any more nerfs

The first effect balance felt targeted at him

Might edit and post that feedback anyway since it's just a general critique of the combat system rn

[vocal notch]

Just dont click the sell button. Aint hard

[marble ether]

it does ask for confirmation so I dont think its a problem, but it would be nice to have a confirmation on all gem purchases instead of just 20+

[clear stump]

When I was younger I did sell Discobolus when I got his egg purely by accident. He had just been released and I knew I wasn't getting it back for a long time. Thankfully support took pity LOL

[sacred plover]

I misread discobolous as diabolus and almost has an aneurysm

[clear stump]

Nah man, this was like 9 years ago LOL

[dapper oyster]

@past moat it’s not more expensive

[past moat]

is it

well im sorry yet juts cant find the inage

even on the server

maybe im dunb do u know wich one i should use

for the 25 tokens

i REALLY need the sword

and also i hate beign exigent but

[dapper oyster]

Costs about 800 gems

[past moat]

naybw the equipment challenge sheet aswell

[dapper oyster]

Ask in the MLG server

[past moat]

since i cant seem to find the right inage

hopefully i get replied

already did

just thisbis super stressing

[dapper oyster]

@livid cave with the era tickets lasting all era now, they probably won't do that

[livid cave]

Probably, but it's just my suggestion. I feel like just tokens to the top 100, and not even a lot, isn't a very good reward

Even if it's less tickets than before, like 100 for top 10,000 and 100-200 more for each reward category up, I feel like it'd be balanced and people would care more about it. When you could get like 200-400 tickets a day in the cave if you try and sacrifice a few gems, I feel like the colosseum should similarly reward players

[dapper oyster]

i've had beta for 2 months and i've not bothered with the tokens

other than the free 10, but all they did was get me the first repeatable chest

[livid cave]

Also not having good competitive rewards kind of completely renders the colosseum trait some monsters will apparently have kinda useless since doing major damage isn't usually as good as a well composed team, and so there's no reason to go out of your way to use a Mediocre monster for a trait that gives useless points

[dapper oyster]

yea, they're trying to recreate BH income in colo, but the rewards are no where near the same

[brittle briar]

What

[dapper oyster]

not everyone likes the frame

[brittle briar]

Oh

[sacred plover]

@dusk sedge That's actually an amazing idea, fight other players for gems

[dusk sedge]

Thanks

But, now i started to think

The problem would be same than the other pvps : players who buy gems

It would be a cassino but luck only exists on the opponents selection

[marble ether]

it sounds nice at first since its even a new way to get gems but it would completely deny a lot of people even hving access to pvp and it'll turn even sweatier and more p2w to actually participate lol

[dapper oyster]

and people would just fund their team mates

[sacred plover]

No i think is supposed to be a separate form of pvp?

[dapper oyster]

it would have to be live battles

[azure nebula]

can we get a fair bit of match making sometime? im sick of instant activating r5 ancestrals

didnt get a single turn

[vocal notch]

technically theres nothing wrong with it, ur queueing with players in ur own league. the thing is that a lot of people got shoved down to the lower leagues when the update came out cause they probably didnt play beforehand so 🤷‍♂️

there are a bunch of people with maxed ancestrals all the way down at bronze and silver slowly ranking up

[azure nebula]

maybe put all the ppl that pay stupid money on the game in a high league and all f2p in a lower league or 2 seperate pvp systems, one for f2p and one for p2w

[fresh ore]

f2p can get there they just need to be lucky

I agree this new pvp system sucks though

[dapper oyster]

Lol

[azure nebula]

my rng is nonexistent bro ive got traps in cave at every single floor before 10 without fail

[fresh ore]

same bro it's just all luck in this game now

[thick thunder]

fr

[clear stump]

@vocal notch use this channel to respond to messages you see in #submit-ideas please.

@quiet granite did you claim the Decennial Island? Monster Vault is also always a good shout.

[quiet granite]

i have every single island, and 122 spots in vault, im gaining monster more than im gaining places to place em

[clear stump]

Ensure you do the Key Challenges, can get quite a few vault spits for relatively very cheap.

[quiet granite]

i am doing the challenges, but it aint quick enough, also the vault spots costs 100+ gems now which is way to expensive

[vocal notch]

i really hope u havent been thinking of buying them with gems

u most likely missed it but for future reference, grandmaster duels are an easy way of getting vault keys. if u do have any keys atm then save them for a little longer for the next vault happy hour

[clear stump]

This is why I say do the key challenges. Get the vault spaces at a fraction of the cost.

Vault happy hour also gives you a 40% discount on keys spent per space

[dapper oyster]

even if you do the vault challenge wrong, it still only works out at like 23 gems per slot, no reason to ever spend 100 gems on a vault slot.

also getting the ancestor every month gets you 3 slots (and an extra slot every 3rd month)

[quiet granite]

I have all the ancestors, I'm gaining like 20 new monsters a week, I haven't spent a single gem to get more space in the vault

[dapper oyster]

The book that gives keys only lasts for the season that they come out in

[cobalt horizon]

The Tier 5 obsidian relic returned for this progressive.

[tired fossil]

yes i have seen, ty

[raw swan]

@scarlet vector I said that cause that was the battle pass monster, not just a regular mythic, I get the other locked slots, but if I pay physical money for something, I should get all three, and for f2p players, they’re not spending the actual money, I get that it’s frustrating, but I was specifying for monsters that were paid for, not ones gotten for free

[marble ether]

the uncraftable obsidian chest comes every other challenge when it doesn't have the ancestor relics.

but yea they should have it on both lol

[fresh ore]

thanks for that, I didn't know lol

[raw swan]

Oh, that makes more sense

That’s good to know

[clear stump]

@dawn oxide , are you using the Automatic Maze Coin Collector?

[dawn oxide]

No

I am stuck at like 30 something coins

Been trying to collect during lunch

Was about to collect this morning like about 6 hours ago I believe

But at break nothing, and at lunch nothing, but in general I feel like the coins should just pop so we aren’t worried if we collected or not too, or getting partials and having to do math when feeding like 8+2+9+11+10 is crazy annoying when I just want the coins

Yeah still not working, not sure if attack one popped

I’ll check

[sacred plover]

💀

[dawn oxide]

Attack did not work

[sacred plover]

real

[dawn oxide]

Still not getting any maze coins

I’ve spent my first break, lunch, and second break trying to get maze coins with getting 0

Hatching worked but breeding gave me nothing, and tried all the other 5 again as well

[marble ether]

you've restarted your game right

also you do this every 4 hours

[dawn oxide]

Yes and I know every 4 hours

6 am worked, then 10 for my break, then I tried again at 12 since it didn’t work during break, then at 2:30 still didn’t work, I’ve cleared safari cache cuz that’s been reccomended for problems before, restarted game, turned phone on and off

Coins finally worked, but this means I still missed my 10 and 2:30 cycle, which I usually do so I can get at 6:30 and 10:30, so I can get 4 cycles

I still think they should come from a first collection, cuz the way they work now sucks

[fresh ore]

all of the changes at this point just feel insulting theyre just going backwards

[rich ingot]

it's going nowhere honestly

[signal lance]

Didn't we already have a discussion on why defense replays are near impossible to add? The amount of space that many replays take is insane

[rich ingot]

but regardless, i hope the direction they're taking will lead to this game's own grave

[vocal notch]

the game already has one foot in the grave

[mighty dagger]

each bad monster added, each bad update added and each removal / nerf digs another layer to the game’s grave

give it a few more years of them doing the same thing over and over again and then it will leave ml’s grave to the center of the earth

which is probably exciting for them

[vocal notch]

i have no idea how can it be exciting for them cause theyre not gaining anything by killing the game like this

thats the confusing part

theyre shooting themselves in the foot by doing this

[rich ingot]

they're 100% aware of that lol

[vocal notch]

so why do it then

[rich ingot]

that's the strange thing. Everything they did, they did it with the intention to piss off the players

and they're still playing it like wow

we would still watching ads, keep doing caves, keep doing tasks, keep buying passes and yea.. it works for them

[fresh ore]

less money for them

[mighty dagger]

because they probably know that these decisions are bad for the game but do it anyway

and i think they made resources hard to get so people would spend money to get those resources but thats prob not it

also that stupid walking dead offers where theres no way to get all of them for free unlesss you spend money on them

[dapper oyster]

that's a wonderful sentence

[sacred plover]

@fresh ore never cook again but for sp

[fresh ore]

they don't cook they burn down the kitchen

[rich ingot]

no they vaporised it

[clear stump]

You could, just .1% chance breeding. Lol

[thick thunder]

if only dungeon raider wasnt a beta

[fresh ore]

why is this beta istg

[clear stump]

To test it works?

This is one of those that makes sense to have as beta given its a new feature lol

[dapper oyster]

It can be a beta and given to everyone

It’s the making people miss out on things that’s the issue, not that it’s in a beta state

[fresh ore]

the fact that it's in beta state is also total nonsense

they just don't know how to do betas right

if they did I'd be happier to let them do betas

currently I think it's just play testing for bugs because they can't be bothered to do it themselves

[brittle briar]

It’s useless anyway

[fresh ore]

id still take it over nothing if it was free

but I don't see anyone paying specifically for it in its current state

[dapper oyster]

Releasing to thousands of people will always find more things than in house testers will

KPIs for testers are generally that you only miss x%

Like where I work I’m allowed 0 critical bugs, 5% returns that are major bugs, 20% that are minor bugs

[clear stump]

Beta test is only 4 days this time so I can only imagine they'll drop it with next pass if they're satisfied

I think the implication is that they'll put it in paid pass which is such a nuisance, bad enough that it's limited to only Resource Dungeons I suppose

[vocal notch]

they wont be making anything from the battle passes if they leave it to only resource and ancestor dungeons

[fresh ore]

yeah

but imagine it's broken and it has a big negative impact on somebody

betas should at least be a choice

I don't see why they shouldnt

if it works and it is good you are excluding a random portion of your playerbase

if it doesn't work and it's bad/replaces something, it will be really bad for the players who have it

[lean kelp]

Giving someone a bad beta that sets them back compared to not having the beta is the same scenario as excluding players from a good beta that sets them back compared to the players who were lucky enough to get the extra features/rewards

Just like when they introduced the 14 day pass system, ppl asked to not be a part of it cuz it was worse than the normal 28 day pass

Just giving everyone the same features and betas solves both while also allows more testers and feedback, but SP just refuse to stop with them for no real reason

[clear stump]

@meager stag probably be a good idea to remove the swearing from your feedback please before it gets deleted 🍀

[raw swan]

I just realized that this probably will be a paid feature (not because of leaks) but because the menu shown when you click the icon is very similar to those that are from the glp or bp

[fresh ore]

yeah most likely

[dapper oyster]

it says it's a perk in the announcement

[rich ingot]

With how useless the announcement is 99% of the time, I'd be surprised if anyone read them

[raw swan]

A perk typically means that it’s a paid feature as well

[dapper oyster]

yes, that you get from the pass

[raw swan]

Yeah, that’s what I said

[mighty dagger]

the beauty of ignorance

the moment when the dev team or whoever makes these betas and features announces that they were reading the feedback and said they would fix, revert or remove something

they skipped other features that needed to be fixed, added and remove that were mentioned in feedbacks

nor explained why they wont remove, add and fix

but theres no good reason for doing that from them they just continued like nothing happened

[fresh ore]

better yet just stop making gambling the integral part of the game

[sacred plover]

just let it be a side part 😭

[dapper oyster]

@dense sundial conjuring odds are 100% what does improve mean

[spice breach]

They probably want a buff for the odds to get ancestors

[dense sundial]

Was 25% decreased to 20% when other players still have a 25% chance to get the cells. It's unfair.

Also the egg probability dropped from 3% to 2.5%

[digital shell]

Basically, remove the beta 💯

[fresh ore]

fr idk why it's still here

I would write a feedback but there is actually no point

there's 0 reason for this to even be a beta

literally 0

but they just don't care

[sacred plover]

@dense sundial screw you I thought it actually got reverted and got hyped 😭

[rich ingot]

Colo was fine and that's why they need to break it. That's what they do, break anything that is perfectly fine

[vocal notch]

well then ig we just gotta use reverse psychology to them and say that everything in the game is fine

[rich ingot]

Can't have nice things in ml. Ban

[dapper oyster]

they do play the game, but they don't have to spend money to get everything

[rich ingot]

they got everything but that doesn't explain their need to "yea, screw our players"

[dapper oyster]

SP have overlords that demand profit

[rich ingot]

that guy must have the brain size of an amoeba then. How are you gonna profit when all you've done only ended up driving users away

[dapper oyster]

most of the players being driven away are f2p

[signal lance]

Its what happens when the devs don't have a say in anything the CEO's says

[dapper oyster]

they have an entire company overruling them

[rich ingot]

I call 3 years until this game finally shut down for good

[signal lance]

I give it 2

[dapper oyster]

that'll be cheaper for me

[rich ingot]

If they're gonna treat it like a cash cow then let them

[dapper oyster]

this is by no means their cash cow

[rich ingot]

Can't spell monster legends without cash cow

[dapper oyster]

i'm not sure you know what cash cow means

[rich ingot]

a product that provides income?

[dapper oyster]

a product that is so good it provides the majority of the income

neither of those things are true for ML

[rich ingot]

I've never been more glad to hear

and how is this game still thriving baffles me

[dapper oyster]

what do you mean by thriving

[signal lance]

I think you miss spelled Dying

[rich ingot]

it's still not dead

[dapper oyster]

all of my team play the game to be with friends

most of us pay money every month

the game doesn't particularly interest us, it's just a fun thing to do together

[rich ingot]

I sure love a fun and active community just for half of them to instantly quit after the devs announced a new change/era

[dapper oyster]

guess they weren't having fun with you

[rich ingot]

If only they could say that to my face instead of the game. It didn't do anything wrong

[dapper oyster]

it was totally the game that pushed them over the edge

[rich ingot]

eh they aren't wasting their time in this hellhole anymore so it's a win win

[dapper oyster]

yea

i've quit spending a bunch of times, just ends up more expensive later

quit the game a bunch of times, never make it past the next race

it's friends having fun together, some drinking involved, working together to reach an end goal

[rich ingot]

it's not an addiction. You're just very passionate about the game

which i'm very sorry to hear

[dapper oyster]

couldn't care less about the game

[rich ingot]

The game is still garbage but I can't deny that it gave me the opportunity to meet a lot of amazing people

[dapper oyster]

true that, but also a lot of... i can't say that here

a lot more of those than nice people to be honest

[rich ingot]

That's just humans. They act like a douche, you block them and move on with your life just for them to comeback with an alt with your ip address as their username

[dapper oyster]

good luck with that one

[rich ingot]

Who needs luck when you live 20000 yards away from them

[dapper oyster]

I meant mine

[rich ingot]

you will figure it out. I believe ya

[dapper oyster]

i'll figure out my own ip address?

[rich ingot]

if that's what you need then sure, go ahead

[torn apex]

give it 1 more year...

then we are good

[clear stump]

@azure nebula youre just asking for sc shock on the enemy side? I think best solution is to just not use skills or Talents with ET capability

Talents like for example Gravity Boots?

[raw swan]

Yeah but it’d be nice to have tbh, some moves do have random ET’s that would be useful, some I can’t say

[clear stump]

In BH it totally doesn't help, as the Fugitive has Anticipation, would feel useless

[raw swan]

In bh, there are certain things that would be better off without ET’s, like I said I can’t say said things, but it would be far more convenient

[clear stump]

Then at what point does it become feedback/ideas on unconfirmed info?

[raw swan]

I don’t believe I said it was that, since there are other moves, it’s more of a luxury is all I’m saying

[dapper oyster]

I enjoy being able to put extra turn skills on monsters so it forces them to use the other 3

[raw swan]

Yeah that is nice, but sometimes it may not be the best, but overall it does really help

[marble ether]

I mean, I can only speak for the few months I've been back to the game but its yet to be wrong lol

its also not very surprising at this point for them to make an fk with ET despite it ruining runs in bh

[vocal notch]

genuinely curious to see how theyre gonna pull this one off

[thick thunder]

shivakarah was an et fk and i think she was good in bh

[dapper oyster]

grakshak has an ET skill too

[clear stump]

Does she? I never used it lol

[dapper oyster]

pretty sure

apply dodge area and et?

[clear stump]

No? DA and Spirit Hater or DA and Double Dmg

[dapper oyster]

i don't remember, maybe i'm wrong

she doesn't

[worn zealot]

ancestor that can team ner when ?

[vocal notch]

Never

[dapper oyster]

What’s the difference between a special element torture and bleed?

[vocal notch]

Idk

[clear stump]

Very vague idea, should specify what you want it to do

Sure special element Torture but what % life, how many turns, what's the side effect if any?

[last solstice]

@fluid crest dungeon raider didnt work on era sagas

[signal lance]

Every DOT does something unqiue with Burn and Ignite actually doing the highest raw %. So what would a Special DOT even do that would make it unqiue compared to the threats such as Toxins, Curse, and Bane

[vocal notch]

I just thought itd be cool to have a special element torture to complete every element

[signal lance]

I guess? Special has never really been special, it just so happened that the mons with the special element ended up being broken for their time

[fluid crest]

point still stands g

[cobalt horizon]

Sarcasm doesn't work in feedback.

[last solstice]

? it was very obviously sarcasm lmao

me saying it didnt work on era sagas has nothing to do with the sarcasm in question lol

even if he was being genuine its still incorrect.

[last solstice]

ig the only thing unique about special is that it has no weaknesses

[cobalt horizon]

'Constructive and not sarcastic'

[last solstice]

right so let James know then

[ebon lake]

@elfin acorn there is a confirmation after you click sell. It would be almost impossible to accidentally sell a monster

[clear stump]

I've accidentally sold a monster before now even with the confirmation :)

Support were lenient

[rich ingot]

we need a confirmation to the confirmation

[fluid crest]

whats the point of being constructive if they never implement any changes?

[wraith mountain]

That is true, constructive feedback is needed but if devs don’t take them seriously what’s the point?

We’ve been asking for PvP to be reverted or even no more betas

But it’s just Beta after Beta

The colosseum? Not much ppl asked for a change, and there was like no community consulting

We all wanted the AI on BH to be smarter (meaning, they don’t cast the buffs on themselves)

With the COA bad change, ppl were basically holding their pitchforks out

We tried to be reasonable, polite or even constructive

[sacred plover]

@grizzled creek idk if that was sarcastic but

"Ah yes these old era monsters are unusable in pvp why not just ban them in the only place they have a chance to ever be used even though they're being powercrept there too already"

[fresh ore]

it's hilarious to me how they ask for feedback to ignore it completely

like they're intentionally trying to waste time out of our life

[vocal notch]

That was the only way we got them to revert the change. I thought it'd work on the status caster nerf too but it didnt

[wraith mountain]

And we’re asked to be constructive and polite

[fresh ore]

they just don't care at all

what a company

[clear stump]

@slim magnet "revert this change" isn't an idea

[slim magnet]

Oh yeah i forget to put in feedback instead lol

[sacred plover]

@hollow vortex that's actually kinda genius

[hollow vortex]

No downvotes for the moment... Thought somebody would disagree

[dapper oyster]

I still think they should just revert SC MT, tanks shouldn't have to be fast to take hits

[brittle briar]

I will downvote

👊🏽

That’s dumb

After you hit jj ur whole team get sunburn and light weakness

💀

[sacred plover]

Better than as soon as the battle starts everyone has sunburn + light weakness 💀

[clear stump]

Tbh I'd take it as a compromise

[sacred plover]

Hit elvira suffer EMVASEON

AND TROOTURE

[hollow vortex]

This change would make some tanks meta again (maybe)

[sacred plover]

Diabolus uses mephistopheles then immediate megataunt

[dapper oyster]

hit her with nanovirus

[sacred plover]

rip

[clear stump]

@potent ivy these are already a thing in game
Go into the ingame settings, and if youre on android, the Google link should be there
If you want to log into a different account use the Change Player button

Apple doesn't have the Google play backup, instead it has an apple backup
Both platforms have fb

[potent ivy]

@clear stump it doesn't work

[clear stump]

Explain please

Which feature and how doesn't it work

[potent ivy]

All of it, its like the accounts connected by device. I tried switching google play account, didkt work, Facebook didnt work and when i tried to log into the acc thru the original Facebook and gp, it'd js link to the new acc

I can't rlly show proof bc the phone i have my acc on is broken

[clear stump]

Are you logged in on the respective apps? Ie downloaded fb app and logged in on it

I've never had an issue with it and I do it fairly often during Races

Account switching I mean

[potent ivy]

Yeah

I'm trying something rn

Maybe I was doing something wrong, I was able to log in

I still can't have more than one account though unfortunately

[clear stump]

Does a fresh reinstall not log you out?

If you do clear cache, clear data and log out of the fb account you use to back it up (if you use that)

I think I made my alt using Parallel Space and then my other alt with a different device

[potent ivy]

Reinstalling should prolly do that, I didn't try it. I js thought you could switch it w/o leaving the game

I can try later, thanks for the help. I've dead ass been tweaking over it when it was so easy to set up

[clear stump]

Lol its OK!

@civic spade I think this is already being/has been beta trialled, 70 summons gives guaranteed egg

[last solstice]

thats correct

it already exists

[dapper oyster]

@dense sundial 200 cells in one go is a lot faster than 5 cells a day

[clear stump]

The 200 in one go is only one time, no?

The 5 a day from Coa resets daily for the foreseeable

I'd take that over the one time 200

[dapper oyster]

i wouldn't do CoA 40 times over saga once

ancestor outdated by the time you get the cells

[clear stump]

Trueee

They do need to add a COA for new ones regardless

Maybe make it 3 times a week 15 cells a day?

[dapper oyster]

meh - just do caves

[sacred plover]

Although the fact is expires in 1 month is 💀

And challenge mode is hard as hell so you need to rank your ancestor nicely before going there

[dapper oyster]

don't need ranked ancestor to do most of them

i've struggled in 1 with a ranked ancestor, and another without, the rest have been easy

[sacred plover]

Gotta admit true

like look at #era-sagas (the channel is so inactive i bet my message is still latest or smth lmao)

[dapper oyster]

1 of them i had to use infinite chaining steamwrath

that took hours

[sacred plover]

I beat diabolus with just r2, shame it wasn't within the month of his release

ofc r3 diabolus finished it all

[dapper oyster]

prime against elvaris double artifact or something

[sacred plover]

My friend ya know what I did?

I've completed primerion's easy mode saga all the way except the very last node with prime and a lacroc 💀

Last one is 2 artifacts so it tough

[dapper oyster]

this was 3 from the end on challenge mode

the rest of the nodes were easy

[sacred plover]

They must be evaris' mates bookie and enforc

[dapper oyster]

yes

[sacred plover]

I assume primerion can't solo it then

[dapper oyster]

i used twins plus steamwrath with healing relics on steam

[dapper oyster]

no damage and can't death cd

[sacred plover]

I will say tho primerion can deal damage with skill mirror but enforc just deals even more dmg lol

[dapper oyster]

and book just heals

[sacred plover]

yh

[fresh ore]

coas need a rework and overall the obtention of ancestors, but I still think having the coas up would be nice as I'd have give or take 600 extra diabolus cells for 0 gems by now, and that's just one ancestor. with suggested changes, my diabolus would be maxed

[dapper oyster]

595 if you got him hatched day one of release

actually, 590 because it hasn't reset yet

[fresh ore]

ye, I said give or take lol

[dapper oyster]

You also said gemless which wouldn’t be the case if you got him day one and hatched

[fresh ore]

that's true, which I didn't. I got him a week or so after? so maybe would've been 550/1100

[clear stump]

@gilded forge ideas like "make the game better" aren't ideas and do get deleted

[gilded forge]

Okay 👍

[sacred plover]

@void wigeon We certainly need a mommy emoji. Thank you.

[void wigeon]

No

[sacred plover]

Doesn't matter it already got 7 upvotes

[void wigeon]

There is no mommy

[sacred plover]

I see my mommy 😄

[clear stump]

We need more sonnor emote

Server mascot

[wanton orbit]

Ye

I don't care too much about the emote (also why is it called "rocks")

[slim magnet]

1. Robur
2. Khal
3. Baba

They look fire 🔥 tbh lol

[clear stump]

I made it years ago Rocks wanted a fusion of uru hackster and voltaic and that was all I could do lol

And rocks is one of the coding devs iirc so

Some years ago I did fan requested sprite fusions of monsters and Sonnor, Rocks were both requests from those people

also me

I need to make more

[dapper oyster]

@civic spade why do you even need those eggs in storage?

[civic spade]

I dont but at the same time i dont want to sell them

[dapper oyster]

Why did you buy them

Storage -> common -> hatch is the same speed as shop->common-> buy

And you don’t run the risk of accidentally hatching anything else

[civic spade]

I like going to storage

Might buy one of those 35 gems monsters

in the shop

[dapper oyster]

Not if you have warning on

[civic spade]

I should probably turn that on

anyway im just used to going in storage for the eggs

[raw swan]

@grizzled creek You also would want positive effect protection added to yourself and Rez block!

[wanton orbit]

And evasion as a trait!

And trait protection (obviously)!

[spice breach]

Also pierce

And of course mega taunt

[wanton orbit]

Nah, just cold blood so that it can't hurt itself

[normal tiger]

This @grizzled creek guy got some fire ideas

[grizzled creek]

Fr? Ppl have been dming me to leave the server and to quit the game

It was lowk getting to me

[dapper oyster]

turn off dms

[grizzled creek]

Ok

[civic spade]

fatherless activities. Ignore them

[vocal notch]

imho i wouldnt make them breedable or remove the way theyre obtained, if they only made heroic orbs more accessible and gave more of it then it'd be perfect. i kinda like the way you obtain them

[karmic fable]

Removing the orbs and replacing the dungeons with a way harder one would work too as I said. But if they keep it the way it is, we need to get way more than 12 orbs per rune event

[rich ingot]

Honestly I'd rather they leave it be so I can feel special about my r3 Raggy

[fresh ore]

I'm on slow mode but new caves entry cost for this weekend is very bad

they say it's a special event like it should be something for the community to enjoy, but they just have to pay more to get an extra 100 tickets if you get lucky. im sick of gambling honestly

[raw swan]

@civic spade The 15 gem entry is only this weekend, should be swapped back Monday

[civic spade]

wait why is it 15 gems for 3 days

[vocal notch]

cause theyre making a "special" cave this time around

where u get tickets from the silver and gold chests instead

[cobalt horizon]

#announcements

[fresh ore]

i picked the literal worst time to go on feedback cooldowns lmao

[signal lance]

I've always made the argument that Ancestors should have been a 1 per team only thing. Early on it was understandable in PvP and in some wars since we didn't really have a large selection of good ancestors but now, we have a ton to pick from and being able to make 2 or 3 Ancestor teams really kills the diversity

[fresh ore]

fr

ancestors are gonna rule no matter which one is picked with the current state of things

ancestors look like they're meant to be supported by other mythics, but the fact that you can just use insane ancestors instead of underpowered mythics makes the meta pretty much just ancestors

[dapper oyster]

not really much choice outside of ancestors now though, like when baba came out I was using griffin k9 fleimguard on attack, dumbane baba uriel on defence, but now they ruined fleimguard there's not really anyone that fits in that team, atum just dies. And baba and revives being gutted makes the other team worthless too

[signal lance]

In PvP it's worse imo. Literally the only Mythic used are the ones with MT as a trait (Pango and King Atum) or have Rez block

[fresh ore]

pvp is absolutely cooked

[dapper oyster]

and without something akin to kiridar's horn, even monsters like schoolbug are useless

[fresh ore]

i don't touch that mode with a 10 foot pole

mythics have nothing over ancestors at all

[dapper oyster]

mythics have nothing over tortures

[signal lance]

Honestly the SC changs in combination with the insane Ancestors have really killed this games fun

[fresh ore]

yeah

every war, every pvp I fight the same monsters with the same monsters

it gets boring

[dapper oyster]

i don't mind most of the SC changes, it stops people using elvira defences. but MT specifically shouldn't be start of turn, tanks shouldn't have to be fast to be protective

[fresh ore]

i do mind sc changes as it entirely ends mythics and any meta diversity

[signal lance]

I agree with the Tank bit. So many good SC MT tanks are killed before they even release

[signal lance]

There are some that are good. Elvira DS is basically an MT tank without any downside because of its SC area Evasion

[slim magnet]

@kyrem13 the idea is very good except the Last part tbh

[fresh ore]

I suppose, but elvira wouldn't be a problem if they actually released more mythics with per, ner skills and stuff

old mythic skills and traits are so good, new ones are generally really bad

there's a few exceptions, some recent monsters are pretty nice

[vocal notch]

yeah, for whatever reason they left per and ner back in the older eras

[weary plover]

when was the last time sp actually listened to any feedback 😭

[fresh ore]

but mostly I wish newer monsters actually had anything interesting

[dapper oyster]

fairly recently

[fresh ore]

like today

[weary plover]

oh fair enough what was it?

[fresh ore]

war vote

[signal lance]

Since they changed SC's they never really found a reason to include PER anymore

[dapper oyster]

they reverted war restrictions after literally everyone complained

can't think of a more recent example, but i'm sure there have been some

[fresh ore]

idk if they'll fully revert war restrictions

[weary plover]

i thought this is only a 1 time thing tho?

[signal lance]

There was also the Ancestor Relic fix after so many of us complained to underworld and back

[weary plover]

but ye point still stands that they did something which is good although its not much

[fresh ore]

yeah but this trend started in the abyssal era lol

[dapper oyster]

both things I advocated against lol

[signal lance]

I still despise that bug with a passion

[dapper oyster]

didn't despise it for the 6 months of Theton needing it to be any good

only baba

[signal lance]

That disgrace of an ape deserved its nerf

[dapper oyster]

Yea but 6 positive effects is ridiculous, it should be 4

The biggest issue with baba still hasn’t been fixed, he can still use his ult after reviving

[azure nebula]

@frosty drum w idea, 1000% back that ive noticed it all and the games got stale cus of it

[azure nebula]

u sure its just him? ive had it happen with geneza, diabolus, khalorc, evaris and jestin

oh and xandrite obviously

[dapper oyster]

no it's not just him

[pastel jasper]

Bruh now I'm legit mad at social point

I don't ever get any reply from the support team in game

I'm 18 yrs old but I'm not able to do any task as it says I'm not of appropriate age to give online consent

They don't even have tickets in discord to discuss with the staff

What am I supposed to do??

Some mod or staff pls help on how can I get offers back

[vocal notch]

contact support from ingame, settings top right -> support -> open a conversation/ticket, pick your issue

[pastel jasper]

Ok trying that thanks

[pastel jasper]

How long does it usually take to receive a reply ??

[vocal notch]

couple minutes to a couple hours

[dapper oyster]

when have you ever had a reply in a couple of minutes

[vocal notch]

i personally havent, im just assuming that it can take a few minutes

[dapper oyster]

it's never been that fast for me

[slim magnet]

Mega status caster is a bad idea to me

[signal lance]

Thats because it is

[rich ingot]

That's every idea coming out of that guy

[grizzled creek]

Why

[torn apex]

not healthy

like it can be useless

but if it gets a good effect yeah no

[slim magnet]

Many reasons

[torn apex]

i legit know one

its be to luck based to

[slim magnet]

I am lazy to say all reason but one of reason is that as it would be new it's probably only new monsters can get it and so old/not new monster can be even more cooked

[torn apex]

TRUE

[slim magnet]

Revert sc would be the best idea

[torn apex]

or revert taunt and mega taunt ngl

[grizzled creek]

They won’t do that cus they want mythic to be worse than ancestors in every way

[grizzled creek]

Or start giving it as a trait🤷‍♀️

[torn apex]

😭

[slim magnet]

Those are sc too

[slim magnet]

No

[grizzled creek]

Why not

King atum wasnt that op

[torn apex]

you already know why

[slim magnet]

Imagine all allies evasion trait🤣

[torn apex]

i want to make a joke but i can't

[slim magnet]

Lol

[wanton orbit]

FACT

[slim magnet]

Imagine not upvote your idea lol

[torn apex]

so true

[wanton orbit]

I don't like upvoting my own ideas

[grizzled creek]

That would be so cool

[slim magnet]

You didn't?

[grizzled creek]

They should make that

[wanton orbit]

Nope

Flashbang

[signal lance]

In the context of the PvP Meta. But he was genuinely a busted mon in Wars because of how much healing and the surprising insanity of his reflect damage

Making more perma MT mons just over shadow more mons in War scenarios and perma MT mons still struggle in PvP because of Enki + Dia/Prime just deciding to ignore them

[raw swan]

If Atum isn’t dead or controlled, he can easily heal back to full usually right?

[signal lance]

Yup

Iirc he has a self 100% heal

Or maybe it was a self 25% per enemy hit

[raw swan]

Yes, increases life by 50% and heals by 100%, then the other you were talking about applies sandstorm and heals 20% every time the enemies takes dmaage

[dapper oyster]

believe in yourself

[wanton orbit]

The up vote from me is very much so implied, cuz why else would I put the suggestion there

[dapper oyster]

everyone else just sees a count, they may not know to imply it

[wanton orbit]

Fair enough

[sacred plover]

Probably not possible as there are hundreds if not thousands of tickets all being replied to

It's like a reaaaly long line

[sacred plover]

@grizzled creek no we love gambling

[ornate cobalt]

real

[azure nebula]

@grizzled creek no, we dont want gambling removed, we are irresponsible children throwing our money at a game designed to increase the amount of offers sent to you after each purchase

[vocal notch]

I love gambling, please dont take it away from me :(

[dapper oyster]

what beta are you upset about

[flint stone]

Placing here as asked them to read the instructions for the channel in dms and change the message.

[unreal cargo]

i know this probably won't happen, but since runes experience is here and the rune unequipping and rune unlocking are 50% less cheap, why not just make it permanent, pretty sure no one wants to pay 35 gems just to unlock all of the monster's rune slots, especially since you have a low chance of unlocking all of the slots whenever you hatch. just make runes experience permanent, it'll be way easier for people to unlock the rune slots for their monsters.

[dapper oyster]

because having to wait 3 weeks for the discount to come around does make people pay the 35

or 45 to hatch the FK with 3 slots

some people will do that with the tales monster too now so they can use them in colo

[sacred plover]

I unironically love gambling 💀

[azure nebula]

lel

[slim magnet]

@hollow nova I am totally agreed always annoying to swipe that much lot of times

[wraith mountain]

I have to agreed with @grave oasis it’s 90% avarita for me, the luck should not be THAT BAD

[grizzled creek]

It’s your fault get better at choosing 🤷‍♀️

[slim magnet]

Choose a pot doesnt matter

[mighty dagger]

just dont pick the wrong pot

[vocal notch]

its really that simple

but people just wanna click pot 3 all the time and then complain

[dapper oyster]

It’s a 75% chance to not be pot 3 though

[slim magnet]

I am lazy to explain but the traps are determinated

[dapper oyster]

I know, still 75% not to be pot 3 if you pick pot 3 though

[slim magnet]

Ikr I talked to them not to you

[vocal notch]

the stats say so despite it not being the case at all

[dapper oyster]

Lies

[vocal notch]

not at all

look at the actual cases instead of the numbers

[grizzled creek]

Social point is really nice they wouldn’t rig it

[sacred plover]

Just don't get unlucky smh

[grizzled creek]

Exactly

[clear stump]

That's just perception bias
If the stats say 25% even though the examples are not, that's bias from the examples
Do 100 cave runs through floor 30 see how many times you get trapped, where and what pot?

[clear stump]

@peak rain monster ideas go to #monster-ideas please

[dapper oyster]

@shell trellis your reward is having completely useless era resources

[shell trellis]

No .

[dapper oyster]

See north berries

[dapper oyster]

Yes

How did you know

[sacred plover]

@slim magnet immunity to control trait on him?

Also btw I say just give us an ITT relic for robur

[slim magnet]

Sorry Ieant itt

Meant

[slim magnet]

1. Trait and effect are different things
2. Prim's sc wouldn't let robur get that itt effect

[sacred plover]

true

[dapper oyster]

@hollow walrus that's only 280 tickets a season, you can't even do a 5 pull

[fresh ore]

if robur had itt that would be so cool 🔥

[slim magnet]

Yes🔥

[wanton orbit]

And a little overpowered ngl

Tortures are the only reason why he isn't meta, it'd make him have few counters

Jj? Damage mirror. Mater? Torture immunity and shield slam (ignores 0 damage effects)

Nanovirus is the main thing that stops him from being op

[signal lance]

No... there are a plethora of other reasons

1. JJ, despite damage mirror, will awaken in around... 2 turns and will completely ignore damage mirror.
2. Gen, while yes has her Nano blocked, still has her PER and random effect spam to either land Positive effect blocked or a death Countdown.
3. Prime would absolutely devour any Robur team thanks to essentially being a free awakening.
4. Dia, while yes he would have his DOT's blocked, would murder Roburs allies and then perma deny Robur himself.
5. Enki exist

[wanton orbit]

Right I forgot about td and per

[dapper oyster]

And about how bad Robur is

[signal lance]

Yeah, on paper Robur looks good. Tanky with high damage via shield slam. In Practice the amount of things going against him is massive and he has no counters to them

[wanton orbit]

Fair, but still, he's an abyssal monster tho so idk if they'd do it if they saw it

Kinda like the da nerf

They didn't do anything to specific monsters

[clear stump]

When was the last time specifically changed monsters and announced it? Anything since joint Griff buff Theton nerf?

[sacred plover]

New pvp changes! Tortures don't exist anymore!

Idk man it hurt all torture users but it felt kind of targeted towards diabolus

[signal lance]

The Robur buff

[dapper oyster]

tortures are only this good because of the elemental strength and weaknesses change

if they put it back down to 1.5x instead of 2.5x then it might be a bit more balanced

[dapper oyster]

@civic spade i don't understand what you suggested