ideas-feedback-discussion

[scarlet vector]

just apply the 3 dots and another 2 with volcanyx trap

and keep denying phusis

and torture kill miniminos

And wait til u see the maxed out jj dealing 684k damage per turn. Just apply torture immunity and keep healing

[normal shadow]

How

I’m stuck on that one as well

[normal shadow]

@past moat

Red tickets are not in there all the time

It littersly alternates

[past moat]

i know but like 90% of the time they are

last brown tickets were like a week ago for me

[normal shadow]

Nah I seen em multiple times

For me it felt the other way around

Cause I still need tickets to finish ranking up my diaboloys

Also the other ancesterals have caves n stuff

[signal jay]

My guy it literally alternates every day

Yesterday it had the same monster as today, I forgot his name but it was the brown and black tickets

Today it was red

[signal jay]

“Alternate” literally means back and forth

[clear stump]

Red and Brown were both available Sunday
Red was Monday
Have to see what today is

Today is also Red
Probably be Brown Wednesday and Thursday, or a mix

[signal jay]

On that you’re gonna want to mega posses phusis so she doesn’t one shot you, if you keep using mamon it’ll eventually kill minimos and you’ll be applying fear to phusis, after that use azeal to shoot phusis down, I personally didn’t go first and they all each got a hit on me before I eventually got them

Using all speed I don’t think that’s possible to an extent

[signal jay]

Yesterday was brown my guy

For me it was

[clear stump]

For me, Red
Can't see it here oops

[signal jay]

Bro it’s so hard to awaken when 2 of them have torture immunity

I can’t survive long enough to apply mammon to shieldbolt 5 times

That’s literally 25 turns

☠️

[past moat]

ig is random for all bcs ive had 4 days of red tickets in a row

[scarlet vector]

apply the tortures to shieldbolt, let him die of dots and keep denying jj

[signal lance]

Honestly I am surprised we only got the ML webstore now considering DC has had it for a while

[signal jay]

I tried that, didn’t work for me

[torn apex]

can they make plushies...

idc at this point since the game is already burnt but we should get plushies

[charred pagoda]

I nominate uru

[clear stump]

@gilded forge this is the channel for responding to messages you see in #submit-ideas , don't use #general-feedback for that please lol

[gilded forge]

What is general feedback used for ?

[clear stump]

For leaving your constructive opinion on the game for the developers to read.

[karmic fable]

I feel as though a buff to the Team War campaign rewards would help to bring some competition back to team wars. At the top competitive level there is 0 competition for the current LL team. I feel this is largely due to a few things.

1. Level 14 runes are too hard and far too expensive to obtain.
2. The rewards obtained from the Campaign just isnt worth it. From a months worth of wars you obtain less resources than you do in a single weeks race.
   If the campaign rewards were buffed we could see competition at the top level return.

[raw swan]

@runic jay I like the idea, but I do think it should be limited to maybe 80-100, and the cost should be more, cause that’s easy to max and fine to speed up since it would be 96 gems a day

[runic jay]

kk Oh yea

[spice breach]

Nah, that’s going to be great for the f2p players, keep it as is

[runic jay]

Whats the max level cap rn

Prob keep it at 90

[raw swan]

Max level cap is level 100 for the new island, I’d say there is fine, 96 gems a day would be heavenly, but sadly would probably be reduced if it was added

[runic jay]

How much gold would you get a day from like monsters in general and like what level u are

[raw swan]

I’m 102, a day I probably get under a 100 mil, not exactly sure

[runic jay]

Oh then I must change it 💀

[raw swan]

At least 50 million

Mama (mod) I know gets like 144 mil an hour, but he just got 1 T gold lol

[runic jay]

Lol, wait how much xp would be 1 level for you rn, Ima put the xp reward to like half of the xp

[raw swan]

To be honest, I don’t even want to level up now due to bounty hunt, but let me check

[runic jay]

oh ok

[raw swan]

716,042,995

[runic jay]

oh thats alot

[raw swan]

Yeah

[signal lance]

I don't think you all understand how broken a Gem mind would be in ML

For context, you get 96 gems a day at max... We use to only get around 100 gems, maybe less or maybe slightly more, a week when we had our good gem dungeons

[raw swan]

It would be insane, that’s what I mean, we do understand the power of it, what I think though, is you don’t understand that these are simply ideas that are fun things to think about

[signal lance]

And you are in the channel meant to discuss about said ideas and why they are good, bad, etc

[raw swan]

Which is what I am doing?

[signal lance]

So did I

[charred pagoda]

I’d make it more like how other games with premium currency generators handle it

Basically massive gaps in time

But consistent gem generation

[signal lance]

The question now lies, how big is the gap?

[charred pagoda]

MSM had like once or twice a day or so with their mines

[signal lance]

That doesn't sound bad, though the amount needs to still be in the middle

[charred pagoda]

Yea

Prolly 1-3 a day

Getting 3 would be rare

2 would be uncommon and 1 is the expected amount

[signal lance]

That doesn't sound that bad

Its basically another Daily completion award which isn't much but can come in clutch

[gilded forge]

The gem mine idea is good

( I think it's from coc)

[clear stump]

@livid cave you're forgetting the purchasable packs.

20 for the paid Battle Pass, 20 for the paid Premium Legends Pass

[livid cave]

Aaahhh

Got it

[scarlet vector]

@runic jay 10b gold to upgrade it is too much

[clear stump]

1billion xp is a giggle

[gilded forge]

What do you think it's a gem mine lol otherwise people can get gems easily. If you level it up to max level it gives 4 gems per hour so in one day you get 96 gems

[scarlet vector]

at high lvls its barely even a lvl

[scarlet vector]

but the amount is so ridiculous that sp wouldnt think of adding it

[clear stump]

I wouldn't even know tbh I have been level 150 for a few years

[scarlet vector]

its a little bit more than 1 at like lvl 120 so

[wanton orbit]

Maybe like... 2 a day without being upgraded would be more balanced

[gilded forge]

That's only 14 a week

[wanton orbit]

Exactly

[gilded forge]

And 60 a month

Nah that's way too low

[wanton orbit]

It's still passive gem generation, but it's not too overpowered

And then like 5 per 2 days upgraded once
3 per day upgraded twice
4 per day upgraded 3 times
Or something like that

[hollow gorge]

I think just upping the time to something like
Level 0:1 every 5 hours max 4
1 : 1 every 4 hours max 6
2 : 1 every 2 hours max 8
3: 1 every 1 hours max 10
So u can still need to be on .
And if they want to make it more punishing make it use a builder for it to generate gems

[wanton orbit]

But later in the game you don't even need to use builders

[ebon lake]

How about 1 gem every 24 hours but every builder you set to work in the mine would add 1 gem…so 5 builders = 5 gems a day, or 35 a week.
This way it would also incentivize players to buy worker huts, cause right now there is really no need

[gilded forge]

Finally balanced

[gilded forge]

But honestly you could just give 4 builders their and build with 1 builder

[cobalt horizon]

I have 6 builders with nothing to do.

[signal lance]

Finally, my Builders who haven't worked on anything for like 3-4 years finally have a job again

[cobalt horizon]

Mine did build +9 habitats for the new Island. But job done now.

[signal lance]

With some simple math, Mamamonster would get 49 gems a week

I'm not too sure if that's a lot so I'll leave that on the table

[runic jay]

Its suppose to be expensive cus 100 gems a day is crazy

[signal lance]

Except that gold should never be a problem

Gold will only be an issue early game, late game we can max that thing out basically instantly since we are sitting on Billions if not Trillions of gold that have like 2-3 uses depending on the player

[runic jay]

kk

[hollow nova]

which doesn’t even make up for the weekly challenge gem rewards

(pls sp change it back to how it was)

[karmic fable]

Buff war and war LL rewards

[slim magnet]

@hollow gorge no, era saga shouldn't be easy in contrary i want them very more harder for we can try to make strat to beat smth hard also need more rewards because its not enough

[scarlet vector]

tbh thats rlly a skill issue

[digital shell]

Nah cos I completed it and even I found it fairly tedious 💀 harder would be fun but it wasn't hard team wise, just high lvls

[scarlet vector]

it just took strategy so not rlly difficult if u have the ancestor

[digital shell]

Not even strategy ngl since my auto did it

[clear stump]

The "Challenge mode" of Era Sagas too hard? Ouch

[spice breach]

Womp Womp

[charred pagoda]

Project moon tier difficulty

[mighty dagger]

@hollow gorge skill issue and a you-problem lmao

just get better monsters and level them up to their highest with high-leveled runes and good relics

[thick thunder]

fr

[charred pagoda]

Skill issue at its finest

[clear stump]

@vague hornet when was a warmaster available in a breeding event? The entire gimmick of WMs is that they're only available through their dungeons, where you cam get them up to rank 5

[vague hornet]

Zahra

Warmaster Zahra

lemme see the breeding list rq to maybe show proof

[clear stump]

Are you thinking Queen Zahra

[vague hornet]

Nah the regular warmaster zahra

[clear stump]

Very strange if true

[thick thunder]

yea warmaster zahra was once in

[vague hornet]

Got it

I found it

she was breedable 3 months ago or something

[clear stump]

Show?

[vague hornet]

yeah lemme take a picture

[clear stump]

Ty

Ping or dm when you find it please

[vague hornet]

ok dawg

something wrong with uploading images

[clear stump]

No idea what a jfif is

[clear stump]

Ah did a search and looks like a blunder where Talika was the intended result

I got Xiron the Great from a similar issue, I know some got Velvet Tom too

[cobalt horizon]

It was a bug

And was corrected.

[cobalt horizon]

Yep, that was it.

Good book rewards for getting warmasters. But for those who have all r5, would be nice for something to use orbs on.

[vague hornet]

I would not be surprised even if it was done on purpose because every warmaster is forgotten and probubly more useless compared to what we are getting right now, espacially with the current era stats... Easily reaching 1 Million life and 20k speed max rank I think.

[cobalt horizon]

Wasn't on purpose, and was changed as soon as reported.

There are collectors in the game. Stats aren't everything.

[clear stump]

It definitely wasn't done on purpose, it was remedied by giving out Talika cells instead. All WMs have only ever been available through heroic dungeons exclusively

Although I still haven't got Zahra 😂 my next focus is r5 Sher

[vague hornet]

If there was a NEW use for heroic orbs would you still collect all r5 warmasters?

[cobalt horizon]

I would have.

[clear stump]

Debatable
Sher and Rag are needed for Exclusive Book Page 10 (X runes reward), Thal is needed for colosseum, the rest are all not so much needed now
Edit I already have Thal and Rag r5 anyways, the rest will just look pretty in Vault
If they provided a new use for them and made them available in decent amounts then sure. But now there's not exactly any reliable source for them.

They could/should be in Bronze Colosseum and Treasure Cave imo

[torn apex]

the orbs???

sure

[charred pagoda]

Yea I got one myself

[urban dagger]

WHATTTT

[cobalt horizon]

@half wraith might want to correct your typo in #submit-ideas

[half wraith]

I fixed it I think, lmk if there is another one

[vague hornet]

Do y'all think equippable passives would be a good addition to the game?

for an example a passive that makes a trait more effective or a passive that's either a trait or a status caster added to any monster's evolving traits if equipped

Example by more effective: a passive that can be equipped on monsters with dodge area trait. Doubles the uses of dodging area attacks/perm uses of dodge area attacks. Example by the second part: a status caster: area positive/negative effect can be equipped on any monster (adds a status caster to its evolving traits)

[vocal notch]

Relics v2 essentially

Idk how to feel about that

[vague hornet]

what's different is you can add a trait to any monster

assuming it's a really really good trait passive

you can equip it on a monster with a garbage trait to make it a little better

[vocal notch]

And equip it on an op monster to turn it into a gamebreaking monster

[vague hornet]

Enkidu might need it to be more broken but It's still broken without a good trait because he won't be weak against his own trait disable

If it's an artifact trait or a torture immunity? Yeah that makes op monsters gamebreaking

[vague hornet]

But the more effective example for sure will be decent

even Status casters examples are not that bad

In this era they're basically talents for current era monsters

[vocal notch]

Gonna run triple speed life mutated ancestors with mt sc on

[vague hornet]

or maybe a passive that instantly awakens the ancestral at the start of the battle but protection virtues don't apply... Seems fair and that'll 100% revive Robur if it actually got released in game

yeah a megataunt that cannot be disabled

so cool!

[wanton orbit]

As a robur user, I can safely say, he is not terrible, just not good enough

And adding traits defeats the purpose of trying to find certain combos and trying to get certain monsters. It takes away a part of the grind of the game

Like giving jj pierce sc, then he'd be even more broken

[signal lance]

And there in lines a key issue

What traits will be available

May I remind you many mons are either
A. Lacking only 1 trait to start dominating
B. A specific trait to be unstopable

[signal lance]

So 3 Speed JJ + 6 Team Speed team with that new effect is the new META

Correction, any war restriction with light as a restriction boils down to that

[vague hornet]

I mean that's some peak balancing anyway!

(The awakening part is joke ofc I'm aware of this and that would've kill the game)

[signal lance]

lol

But back on topic, the ability to give mons traits is way too busted

[vague hornet]

But making traits more effective seems decent

yk

[signal lance]

Until you look at the bigger picture

What traits are available?

[vague hornet]

I'm just aiming at the dodge area example where a passive could prolly increase the uses of dodging aoe attacks

[signal lance]

That sounds great

But again, what different traits are available in the pool?

I hope Pierce and Spirit are not in there

[vague hornet]

you mean the passive that adds a trait to monster's evolving traits?

[signal lance]

Thats what I'm getting from the discussion above

[vague hornet]

Depends on SP's choice... 100% not Spirit nor artifact because artifact on geneza doesn't make any sense. They could add traits like Immunity to control, torture immunity, ressurection block and other good traits. But thinking about it made me realise if equipped on the right monster, the entire meta changes.

[signal lance]

But there lay the issue

Many mons are just 1 trait away from either being good or way too over bearing

Robur for example literally only needs Taunt, Perma MT to start seeing use

Theton becomes an absolute monster with Pierce or Cold Blood
Gen is utterly unstopable now with Pierce or Cold Blood
In fact many mons are utterly busted with Pierce or Cold Blood and those that either can't fit them or have allies that already do them just patch up their glaring weakness for free essentially

[vague hornet]

Yeah I see

Wierd current meta yk

cuz I forgot that deniers can be having pierce and coldblood

[cobalt horizon]

@heady cloud everyone has same pvp and tokens board

[heady cloud]

Okay well the blocking of colosseum my point still stands …. Wish they would just stop with this beta nonsense :/

[cobalt horizon]

I don't have colosseum.

[thick thunder]

i do

[scarlet vector]

some people do

[cobalt horizon]

Yes, I know.

[scarlet vector]

that's why it aint fair

[queen seal]

I don’t mind it :)))

[brittle briar]

Do u have Colo

[mighty dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/clover-city-roblox-agree-gif-15635873360863866266

it gets better for more reactions from the playerbase towards sp’s terrible decision-making :neobukiapproves:

[half wraith]

na some people get other rewards in tokens, eg 800 tickets at 140 ISH and 2nd egg at 110 ish while I get them at 180 and 135 respectively

[cobalt horizon]

No, they don't. That was last season.

[queen seal]

Yes

[brittle briar]

🤣

[scarlet vector]

@ebon lake why?

[ebon lake]

Why what??

[scarlet vector]

the downvote on the price of the legends pas

[ebon lake]

Because the legends pass is already wayyyy too cheap

Should be $100

[scarlet vector]

no it aint

[thick thunder]

😭 🙏

[digital shell]

Praying this is satire

[vocal notch]

It is satire

[cobalt horizon]

Cost of products is really for feedback, not ideas channel.

[raw swan]

@obsidian karma If it helps, I can almost guarantee that they are hacking

[obsidian karma]

Maybe, I kinda assumed not because it seems to be a long standing account and usually hackers just use commons and stuff not 150 mythics. But definitely possible, I wouldn't rule it out

Even if it is still crazy an account that's played that long can get away with it

[signal lance]

iirc the match making is based on how good your account is

Also, I wouldn't call that a cheater as they do have the mons and it seems the new multiplayer system favors them more

[cobalt horizon]

They were already in the beta pvp, last pvp season means nothing.

[neon crown]

New PVP is boring now, can't play it long now

[signal lance]

I think SP is trying to make PvP attacks more "Strategic" in the sense that you can save an attack for when you need to catch the oposition off guard instead of the old "Who can keep playing the longest"

[scarlet vector]

its not the game just gives them easy ahh opponents

[obsidian karma]

Fair enough, esp cuz it's integrating in all players now. Other point still stands

[signal lance]

I feel like being able to choose a possesed mons skills would be a massive pain to code

[clear stump]

Thats how it used to be yk

Possession used to be just a "reverse direction of skills" effect
But now its actually rng chooses a skill too

[signal lance]

I know but I don't think thats what 100beep meant. I think they meant that if you posses an enemy, you get to choose what skill that enemy uses

[clear stump]

I missed the word enemy lul

That'd be beyond strong

[vocal notch]

Would it even matter what they chose? Most of the time the skills would harm your team anyway

[clear stump]

Nah, it'd be good for chain denies or using a good supports skill

[signal lance]

The issue with being able to choose what a possessed enemy can do is that you can make that enemy use skills that will be of a bigger benefit than what the AI may choose

Example being a Possessed JJ using an ET and getting out of Possession but you instead just make it use its AOE to basically melt its own team mates without relying on RNG

[wary cedar]

How this blud got metropolitan style 💀

[cobalt horizon]

Visiting...

[charred pagoda]

Plus people could just run garbage skills to throw away

[cobalt horizon]

@sinful jackal the stamina is credited when the chest is opened. Others have already given feedback that this is unclear.

[karmic fable]

An option to view which players, currently in your team are online. Would be very beneficial to all team events.

[obsidian karma]

And as (co)leaders being able to send announcements that pop up when people start their game

[sinful jackal]

Thanks for the info

[clear stump]

@/trappinbows there's no CoAs to put, they said they're replacing them with era sagas

[thick thunder]

ngl 14s never shouldve been added

they shouldve kept it at 10

[slim magnet]

Fr

It's just a big waste of my gems

[marble ether]

almost as if thats the point of most of the events and stuff

[signal lance]

That and lvl 14 runes completely took away stratefy

[slim magnet]

Fr

[clear stump]

@ebon lake why?

[signal lance]

I think its because of how powerful Trait Disable is that even 1 turn versions from Enki can be game changing

[cobalt horizon]

A little more information in feedback would be useful. Anyone posting should actually explain why they want a change.

[clear stump]

This is why I ask, the feedback has no detail

[cobalt horizon]

Exactly, yes. And that's not the only post like it.

[signal lance]

Isa and Mama about to get the 10% stat boost from removing bad or confusing ideas/feedback

[cobalt horizon]

We don't remove 'bad' ideas/feedback. Just ones that break the rules.

[signal lance]

True

Though tbf a lot of those ideas that break the rules tend to be bad ideas

[grand haven]

is that still going these days

[ebon lake]

Because ganeza essence will often TD Res block monster before activating it’s revive effect and it is very annoying lol

[thick thunder]

skill issue

[spice breach]

Womp Womp

[cobalt horizon]

So what is the actual feedback?

[magic coral]

As far as I understand TD shouldn't be in the random effects pool

[cobalt horizon]

They need to write why in their post.

I understand what they posted.

Currently it is a suggestion, without actual feedback.

[ebon lake]

My feedback is that it makes no sense putting trait disable with the other negative effects. If TD gets to be in the potential NE pool, than so should torture and control effects

[signal lance]

The issue is, SP is actually specific with these things

Also you have make an argument for why Tortures and Control should be in the pool as, from what I am seeing, SP is very specific with these things and classifies all the debuffs into 3 categories.

1. Does this debuff do damage passively? It's a Torture.
2. Does it stop the mon from attacking normally? It's a Control.
3. Does it just serve to annoy the targets? It's just a debuff

[clear stump]

Aren't torture and control effects in the NE pool though?

[signal lance]

They are not

[ebon lake]

I see what you’re saying, but why do skills with NER remove ALL negative status effects when they should really just be removing the misc effects (blind daze etc)?

It made sense before, but now that there are moves that specify torture or control removal, the whole system has become kind of inconsistant

TD was always unique cause it was blue, whereas all other negative effects were red. I think it deserves it’s own category

It would be nice if they would rename “random negative status effect” so it isn’t so confusing. That way they could also make a 4th group which could actually be all negative effects

[ebon lake]

I think they were back in like 2015 or something…

[signal lance]

I mean it goes all the way back. NER removed all negatives since what else where you gonna do? We didn't have any form of DOT or Control removal until literally Abyssal Era

[signal lance]

The issue is, what would it be named?

Negative effects is a very broad term yet SP seems to make the distinction and the proof is rather easy to find. Gen doesn't get charges from DOT or Control applications so there is a distinction between them all

[signal lance]

Going by just a simple design isn't a good enough indication. Trait disable still fills the role of "annoying but doesn't stop or damage you" as such it fits the current understanding of what a debuff is

[ebon lake]

I’m not sure if it was just some random glitch or not but another distinction was that TD would never miss, even with total blind. To me that kind of implies that it is designed differently than all the other effects…plus the blue thing…

[ebon lake]

I don’t know…it shouldn’t be that complicated “torture” was kind of out of pocket

[signal lance]

Glitch 100%. Trait disable can miss when the user is blinded

There is a multitude of issues if we include Tortures and Control as negative effects instead of their distinct clarifications as well. What happens to debuff explosion? Or Geneza now getting 9 charges with 1 move rather than 6. These issues are things now that the clarification help solve as without it we are seeing interactions that shouldn't be a thing

[ebon lake]

That is why they would make a new category for the nuisance effects

There is also something to be said about freeze. It acts as a bad torture and a control, yet is exclusively a control

[signal lance]

So that also means they would have to change every mon that applies random negatives then

[signal lance]

Every Control needs a distinction from each other. Freeze is no different

Another thing to note is how not a single player wants to be randomly controlled because the RNG gods decided that Mega Stun would land

[ebon lake]

I understand

[charred pagoda]

Except for legion

He has a move which applies either a random negative or a random control

But on the wiki the regular random negative effect icon is used

[signal lance]

That new rune swap idea doesn't sound balanced

The argument that you "still need to remove the runes to upgrade them" isn't a strong argument since a player could, you know, just save a ton of runes and upgrade those for the free swap

[clear stump]

Incredible
They used to be some years ago

[marble ether]

so what your saying is they'd have to upgrade separate runes to use. which I mentioned (but I guess I'll try to edit it to be clearer). they either have to remove theirs to upgrade it or start on new ones

I'm honestly really confused about your logic to begin with. lets say you have lvl 12 runes on your monster, and you want to swap up to 14. by your logic "just save a bunch of 12+ runes and upgrade those for a free swap". in the end they'd still get people to spend plenty of gems on rune speedups otherwise it'd take months to do anyways

besides lets be honest here. the way it is right now is just to make money anyways theres not much to do about balancing. originally it didn't even cost gems

[cobalt horizon]

I actually made same suggestion 5 years ago. Not free, but reduced cost.

[gilded forge]

I think egg just watched MG's video

[cobalt horizon]

Egg?

[slim magnet]

The one person named egg in #submit-ideas

[clear stump]

The bring titan invasion back guy? Totally original idea. Lol

[queen seal]

Werid move by @brittle briar

[brittle briar]

Why

It looks great

😁

[raw swan]

I agree (can’t tell if you’re joking or not though)

[brittle briar]

I’m not

[thick thunder]

i dont like it ngl

old one was better

😭

[wind python]

Can someone send a screenshot of the new font? It can’t be that bad, right?

[cobalt horizon]

I find the numbers clearer

[charred pagoda]

I don’t mind

[clear stump]

A comparison

First is old second is new

I find the old font easier to read, there's less "dead space" on each letter, they're thicker.
New font feels less unique and cosy.

[vocal notch]

Its similar to the old one just the characters are more slim

Itll grow into everyones hearts

[wind python]

Sweet mother of Christ what is that 😟

It looks so uncanny

[flint stone]

Prefer, left hand no. 3.

[mighty dagger]

honestly

i have no thought about it

like it doesnt look too different for me to like or hate it

[vocal notch]

Its not bad

[clear stump]

@mighty drift edit your message to have more detail please
Add what specifically you want to see buffed, maybe the why it should be buffed and how it would benefit you/sp

Not sure if you know but your lead can choose who participates in War and who doesn't by Swapping people in and out when Preparation Day starts
The auto assignment goes off of how much Hp the randomly assigned base has I thought, I could be wrong

[clear stump]

@marble ether

[marble ether]

oh I'll tell them 🤔 still not a great system but I guess I'll remove the feedback then since leader can pick

you might be right about HP, would make sense why people have so many HP runes at the start of prep. thats ridiculous if thats the judge tho lol

I thought it was rune level and monster level or something, they already sort best mons by era

funny how it always lined up with mp to from the times I checked

[marble ether]

theres no point in trying to explain it here, need to edit your msg in submit ideas.

but to be blunt I doubt they'll do it, having new eras constantly outshine the old means people constantly get new monsters and spend money to build em

[mighty drift]

I tought i had sent the message here

[queen seal]

@brittle briar

They only extended you by 2 weeks?

[brittle briar]

Wdym

[clear stump]

Thanks for the ping

[thick thunder]

lol

[brittle briar]

Why did my feeeback get deleted

[flint stone]

Maybe place more info.

[fresh ore]

i don't even have the colosseums and god is that awful

the infinite stamina is nice...

but otherwise why use a "beta" which won't get listened to, give 800k food to someone with full 150 everything and remove other arenas? no longer worth it to invest incolo...

[scarlet vector]

they dont want to face reality

[fresh ore]

sp hasn't faced reality in a while

[wanton orbit]

@scarlet vector I feel the need to explain why I downvoted your feedback in #general-feedback . I agree that they should move away from negative effect spam monsters, but fully implementing that idea would likely be more negative than positive. They'd have to remove or change a large number of effects, monsters, relics, and traits to fully make that happen. Before the negative effect spam meta, pvp was fun. Some rng is fun, but this is definitely too much rng

[marble ether]

I always found attack missing RNG one of the annoying things about turn based. with stuff like bulwark its certainly a pain, even ignoring the effects being random.

since "random control" etc will still do a control. random torture will still do damage.

theres certainly times when you roll something better, like if mater can get a trait disable. but you at least already know what category to expect

[clear stump]

New Colosseum is a total travesty.

Having each arena allowed you to pick and choose what you did.

[signal lance]

I feel like Nadhcone should also note that RNG is common in every game, in fact just having Crit and Crit Damage in a game is already RNG so, going by hist logic, doesn't that mean every game is a Gambling Game?

[scarlet vector]

it aint im talking abt debuffs

[signal lance]

Yes, but so do alot of other games having debuff resist as a passive ability so does that count as gambling?

[scarlet vector]

what abt the treasure cave? I wasnt specific but what abt that

[signal lance]

Thats a whole new can of worms

[scarlet vector]

its still gambling bro

[signal lance]

I never said it wasn't

[scarlet vector]

Oh

[wraith mountain]

It’s more so Avarita fest… that loser shows up before room 5 so damn often

[scarlet vector]

@native jay what do u mean by that

[wanton orbit]

I like rng in small amounts, but mater's random negative effect spam is just too much

[signal lance]

Yes, but wouldn't that just be grounds for Mater being the issue?

[wanton orbit]

Absolutely

[cobalt horizon]

#general-feedback is for feedback posts.
This channel to discuss.

[scarlet vector]

if everytime u get caught by avarita u would have the ability to fight him

then u would always win @hollow walrus

even if it gets harder itll still be an uneven battle even with a lvl 1000 avarita. Avaritas a legendary most new gen monsters would be able to beat him

[slender pebble]

They can just make 2 waves lol

Avaritia being the only one weak of the 6 monsters you'll be fighting

Like lets say first trap makes you fight 2 wave, 2nd trap 3 waves, 3rd trap 4 waves. But it increases by 2 from 4th trap

But there has to be an option to be able to choose between skipping with gems instead of battling beforehand

And if you lose, you just lose. No option to skip after you choose an option

[vague hornet]

How much do level 14 single and team speedrunes increase?

[cobalt horizon]

L5-14
Team Speed primary:
7,8,9,10,11,12,14,18,24,32
Speed primary;
20,24,28,31,34,35,38,42,48,55

[cobalt horizon]

Here, speeds %

And for Mutant secondary stat
Team Speed:
1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 4.5, 6, 7, 8, 9,
Speed:
2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 13, 14, 15, 16

[brittle briar]

@void wigeon wdym

[void wigeon]

What,

?

[brittle briar]

Ur feedback

They changed the chances?

Mine is still 3 and 25

[hollow vortex]

he means the cojuring of choice

[brittle briar]

What’s that

[void wigeon]

The one for mater khal jj evaris Theton griff

Robur

Tyr

[brittle briar]

But that one is 25 and 3 as well

[void wigeon]

No

Lemme show you

[void wigeon]

Yeah

[brittle briar]

Oh what the heck

Mine is still the same

[void wigeon]

Wow how fair

Thanks sp

200 cells from 2400 which is 6 pulls is crazy

[vocal notch]

Do u have pity system @void wigeon

[void wigeon]

What’s that

[vocal notch]

If ur unlucky with pulls ur guaranteed the egg after x amount of pulls

[void wigeon]

Yeah I have it but that’s literally useless

Like I war cells not the egg and one egg after 70 doesn’t fix that

Want*

[vocal notch]

I think the people with pity systems have decreased egg and cell chances

[void wigeon]

How stupid

🤦‍♂️

So with my chances and luck (200 cells in 2400 tickets) and you need 1900 almost 10 times the cells for a maxed ancestor it now takes 24000 tickets ? Great man love it

[vocal notch]

Theorietically yeah

[vague hornet]

another beta

?

[vague hornet]

higher chance of getting more worthless mythics

[void wigeon]

🔥🙏 love it

[vague hornet]

it's beta too

[scarlet vector]

so avarita with 2 mythics? This seems like smth sp would never add

[slender pebble]

Who said anything about mythics

We going ancestors for the avaritia wave

Otherwise every trap would just get sweeped by r5 ancestors lol

[scarlet vector]

exactly what i was saying

[marble ether]

I mean, considering you have to spend a premium currency to do it I think its fine if the first couple times were easy until he scaled lol.

but obviously they would have just made a special version like adventure map, why would it just be that legendary straight up

I still think its a completely unrealistic idea, not only are you asking them to make less money thats literally guaranteed clears simply by having certain things since theres rarely actual challenge or skill involved in this game.

[slender pebble]

Yeah ik was kinda just procrastinating by adding to the idea

[raw swan]

Unless you have to use an Arvarita Killer (AK) in a bh like format or something

[spice breach]

Lazarbeam would go crazy

[slender pebble]

Or maybe an only legendaries allowed battle :0

[scarlet vector]

@void wigeon what is the current chance

[void wigeon]

In lamp of choice it’s 2,5% for an egg and 20% for cells

[vague hornet]

1k cells and still have got an ancestral yet

if only you can just use them to rank any other ancestral just like the other ranking resources

[vague hornet]

guess I'll just rewatch monsterwood over and over since gems in here are the only resource I can get from

[scarlet vector]

there aint that much of a difference

[void wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-speechless-blank-face-confused-no-words-gif-7298121

2400 Tickets 200 cells

[vocal notch]

3% to 2.5 is quite the difference

[slim magnet]

You need in total of around 33 pull to get a egg with 3% but with 2.5% you need average 40 pull to get an egg, thats like ×1.2 more pull to do, seems not much but when we do lot of pulls example if you want 10 egg you need average 400 pull instead of 333 (67 less pull) and so it makes us more costly, and i still didn't talked about cells % nerf thats make it lot very costly too

[jade bay]

they should add the mercy system to the lamp of choice conjuring too

[tulip elm]

never spend 24k on a maxed one, and i have them all lol

[tired fossil]

It's a matter of luck

[marble ether]

Meanwhile you got them before nerf.

And obviously he was exaggerating, he referenced his bad luck

But yea that's 100% possible, that's why it's called rng

[clear stump]

Edit the swearing out please. Not permitted here

[wraith mountain]

@hollow walrus how will the fight difficulty spike?

[hollow walrus]

@wraith mountain The levels of the monsters get higher

[wraith mountain]

How will it spike? Like it’ll be epic mon slowly moving up to ancestors only?

[cobalt horizon]

@slender pebble you can get promoted/demoted each week

[clear stump]

I was just about to say that lol

[slender pebble]

Ah I see... my bad for being misinformed 😅
I'll edit that part

[brittle briar]

Why does everyone want bh to be controlled by the player

Then it’s just colosseum 😂

[wanton orbit]

Because I doubt they're gonna fix the ai ever

[marble ether]

people want work arounds for the trash AI

[brittle briar]

It’s not something that needs to be fixed

[marble ether]

seriously how hard is it for a support monster to buff the monster with the highest attack

[marble ether]

I'm honestly curious why you think this tho. how does it make sense for ion to buff himself when he has 0 attacks etc.

[brittle briar]

because its part of the rng

[wanton orbit]

I don't see the fun in the rng, it's just infuriating

[brittle briar]

i dont see the fun in using the same team every bh and notneeding to strat at all

[marble ether]

I mean the entire point is to just sell their fk lol

how is being able to do 1/10th the dmg cuz of RNG fun

also its not even just some actual chance thing like whether you were able to proc a status on someone with bulwark

the AI is just bad so it does dumb things. how is having incompetent AI "just part of the rng"

[ripe glade]

I agree with sachin if the support boosts highest attack the fugitive is getting one shot every time 🙏🙏

Rng prevents that and even if it’s frustrating it’s needed

[marble ether]

so your saying thanks to the AI being dumb you can't always one shot. which gives the chance for someone else to snipe instead

and thats needed so its important to leave

theres still RNG in which haters you get isn't there

[wanton orbit]

Thoughts on maybe a league 9 and 10?

Probably wouldn't be able to one-shot those any which way

[ripe glade]

Fugi was NOT designed to be one shot every time

League 9 or 10 is an interesting idea tbh

But tbh I can’t imagine a bounty hunt without rng. Controlling the moves makes it coliseum. Just play colo if that’s your thing.

I play both 🤷‍♂️🗣️

[wanton orbit]

Colo has very different rewards and the enemies don't have billions of health, and there's the era restrictions

[ripe glade]

Good point big

Tbf *

[wanton orbit]

But yeah bh would be very different if that rng wasn't present

[ripe glade]

Yeah I agree

Like a whole different event lol

[marble ether]

theres still rng, AI fix just would get rid of idiocy. a monster without any attack moves shouldn't be buffing themselves

[wanton orbit]

Or recharging on the first turn, when full of stamina lol

[marble ether]

oh yea my jj was awakened but instead of using its move it recharged. ion just decided to recharge on its first turn a couple times to. its always a fun time

[wanton orbit]

Works perfectly! (This is a joke)

[ripe glade]

I meant without rng of the moves and targets haters are always rng ofc but it’s still possible to get one shots without all haters so they will be way too common. This season’s bounty hunt is one shot frenzy I think they mighta improved the ai or smtn

[marble ether]

the fk has 2 haters innately, they did not improve the AI lol

last bh rapunstina only had 1 hater until it procced light hater

dunno if the fugitive was light? but that was also the only metal move so wouldn't element bonus at the same time as hater like current one does

[ripe glade]

But fugi is immune to control so one of its haters kinda replaces freeze hater from queen so idk

Last fugi wasn’t light but with ion you get metal weakness so kinda ig

[signal lance]

Ngl, if Global was already a massive mess, I doubt a BH chat would be any better

[slim magnet]

Fr

[slim magnet]

"Guys pls dont snipe me"

"Ok ok" impostor

[tired fossil]

😂

[signal lance]

We do a moderate amount of trolling

[slender pebble]

I would just wanna let anybody sniping me know that I will find them

[scarlet vector]

What is the new pvp update

i havent been playing much because of the ass updates

[marble ether]

they added the stamina and I think it taking 99 years to tier

[scarlet vector]

?

[wanton orbit]

@scarlet vector I think it's because everyone having one name makes it easier to find, track, and stop people who cheat

[scarlet vector]

they could add a formerly known as thingy.

And multiple people have the same name so..

[clear stump]

Not to mention those who join a team just to harass or be abusive.

[signal lance]

Pretty sure SP looks at the ID of the player but they prefer the name to make it easier

Plus, almost every game that has a name change feature have a hard limit to the amount

[marble ether]

they either don't have an option at all or usually make it paid

[signal lance]

Even those that make it paid have a hard limit to the amount of times iirc

[charred pagoda]

I think ion’s ai is messed up by the team haters on his ally dmg boost skills

I’m 50% sure when monsters use team moves they’re “targeting” themselves

[signal lance]

Not entirely true as Algata can sometimes target herself with her single target damage boosts

I'm 90% sure that the AI doesn't have a "Search for" Kind of feature where rather than specifically searching for the ally with the highest attack, they just buff who ever at random

[marble ether]

there might be something about "buff the monster who goes after me" but honestly it just seems like they didn't add any logic to it besides "use move at random" lol

[signal lance]

Which is even stranger when you consider Shadowyna

Shadowyna's AI is smart as it knows how to Infi cycle and who to TT to so her AI is definetly different

[marble ether]

sometimes I wonder if even SP knows how their AI works

[signal lance]

Most likely not

[charred pagoda]

Hm

[vague hornet]

@marble ether others take time to awaken

but trust me

others are easier to awaken than diabolous

(Edited the suggestion message to replace the ult ofc)

You prolly didn't realize but awakened diabolous is even smaller than the normal one

[marble ether]

anyways. if you actually want to suggest an idea you have to suggest something. you can't just say "rework, I want to awaken"

the game bugs out with all ancestor forms for me I can't even see em lol.

I did notice that depending on the artwork the arm the tentacles are on swaps

[vague hornet]

Expect the game to be

yk

full of bugs

You see the advanturer and barbarians essences are supposed to work on monsters from barbarians book or advanturers book

the last survivor was supposed to be an adventurer/Barbarian

[marble ether]

yea game is full of bugs and a lot just get ignored even if reported

[wanton orbit]

@lean kelp I think it makes sense for most of the ancestors to be old, given the name, but I do fully agree in that they should try to make more different designs

I also wanna see some good not humanoid monsters

[marble ether]

the current ancestor isn't even an ancestor

it implies uriel is the ancestor lol

[lean kelp]

Old and bearded is fine, Baba pulls off both while still being very unique and interesting. It's just getting a little repetitive, Jestin and Graciel look almost like they'd be the same monster just from different factions 💀 and others like Theton and Tyr just look starved of creativity, Khalorc, Enkidu and Robur are a little unique but they still fit into the "human-like + beard + old man" box I made for the others

[wanton orbit]

Yeah lol

[signal lance]

Isn't the Uriel we have just a spirit of the actual thing?

[raw swan]

I thought Uriel chose Graciel?

[marble ether]

yes, so uriel was there before then and graciel is recruit

[raw swan]

Hm, yeah this does go off track of the Ancestor part

[clear stump]

@thick thunder elaborate the quick attacks thing please?

[thick thunder]

a quick attack is when you challenge the fugitve, then exit the bounty hunt, and re-enter than bounty hunt so that it skips the battle but it still counts your damage

and they made it so you can't do that anymore

[cobalt horizon]

So an exploit? Not appropriate to discuss.

[clear stump]

So sounds like an unintended "feature"? Lol

[hollow nova]

is that why doing a battle loads different now

[wanton thicket]

yup

to counter it

[ripe glade]

It’s not really an exploit. It’s a feature social point have been aware of for a long time and suddenly mid bounty hunt they decide they didn’t like it

Same thing can be done by reloading the game with speedy WiFi lol

That’s what people with good WiFi will do now 🥲

[clear stump]

@jade bay BH can't be played without newest version

[jade bay]

I played it fine without updating on iOS

[clear stump]

Are you on 17.2.8?

[cobalt horizon]

And not feedback.

This channel to comment on posts.

[vocal notch]

Did ur ml auto update maybe?

[jade bay]

i don't think so, when I open the game it still asks "A new version is available!" and I pressed "No"

[vocal notch]

Lol

[clear stump]

@wary cedar you need to tell what the event should be, otherwise its too vague

[wary cedar]

Okay

[scarlet vector]

feel like sp is just asking for people to quit w these ass updates

[spice breach]

Fr

[thick thunder]

fr 😭

[wanton orbit]

Fr

[zenith nova]

Fr

[hollow vortex]

Fr

[vocal notch]

For realsies

[marble ether]

hey now its called a beta not an update like the beta to announce the next ancestor and not have colo and have nerfed choice rates and smugglers den etc etc. clearly not any updates

[normal tiger]

@strange acorn out here speaking facts 🔥

[strange acorn]

put me on the dev team ‼️ ‼️

[strange acorn]

appreciate u

[vocal notch]

Tell em oldman

[tired fossil]

@marble ether unfortunately they already ruined next bh 😭🙏

[marble ether]

yea I sent that half as a joke. they never read it and wouldn't change it anyways. but one can hope

[tired fossil]

yeah, unfortunately they won't do anything and it will be a horrible bh

[marble ether]

mp ain't a great gauge for power levels

but I guess I'd get noobs who can't kill the boss before me so good idea ig

[wanton orbit]

I'd prefer more like "lower than level 40" and "higher than level 40" groups instead... separate the new players from the slightly more experienced players (probably closer to like level 70 but still)

[marble ether]

yea in general theres just needs to be less steps. since the game ain't active enough anymore to have this number of grouping brackets

[marble ether]

@harsh plume SP knows its a problem so they sell a extra hatchery slot and 30% decreased hatch time via the golden pass every 2 weeks. I highly doubt they're going to do anything that will take away from those payments.

would certainly be nice to see tho 🙏

also that should be in #submit-ideas not feedback

[harsh plume]

Thank you

I'm going to send in this channel

Are there any problems with leaving it in feedback channel?

[grim bear]

@thick thunder you have to be more clear than bring back old pvp
What old pvp exactly, there has been so much change over the years
Bring back old pvp doesn't explain anything

I remember the change before this and exactly the same comments were made "bring back old pvp"

[cobalt horizon]

A L13 rune can't drop to 1, it can drop to 12 and which point you you choose whether to gamble the 12.

[marble ether]

the point was you can fail all the way there, not that it goes in 1 step.

the games I've played with this kind of upgrade systems at least had a mid point. you can start from 0 in here

[cobalt horizon]

I understand your suggestion, but it isn't what you wrote.

[marble ether]

fair, I edited it. as if they'd actually do something to make less money on it even if they read these channels...

[raw swan]

@signal lance Could you explain why the sword may not work, wanna figure out how it could be balanced (please don’t just say too op)

[signal lance]

Its not even that its OP, in fact with how common Rez block is there is a genuin argument for Rez relics to be downright detrimental, its just that I don't see any good reason for it. And in terms of balancing, its literally just 3 options for the requirement with only 1 really working.

1. Lets say the revive only works if the holder is on a team with a specific mon. It becomes completely unreliable and completely dependant that the mon required is available and that the enemy doesn't have Rez block.

2. Lets say the revive only works if on a team with a certain amount of mons from a book. That revive may as well be a 20% heal because that would be easier to get than the revive.

3. When killed, revive holder. This is the only one that works, the issue here though is that it competes with other swords so you either have to have an insane revive health or do something else in which case the revive becomes secondary.

I just don't really see the appeal of a Revive Sword. Even this new Armor is debatable in its usability with how it competes with 3 of the best Armors in the game

[brittle briar]

Just add a stam regen sword fr

[raw swan]

I see that, thanks for the explanation, now one question, would you say revive relics are a nessecity in PVP, or it would be more beneficial to have them removed outright (just trying to understand the stance on them)

[signal lance]

Its a mix bag imo but the fact that made SP change Rez Block kinda says how potent they are

[raw swan]

That’s true, they do change the tide of battles way too easily, I’ll say that

[marble ether]

tru, stamina regen is so important with how many sources remove it.

[signal lance]

Stam Regen sword would give so many mons viability

[raw swan]

Can I ask who?

[signal lance]

Basically any ET that holds Sword would absolutely run it

[raw swan]

Oh true, but anti is a problem

[marble ether]

it'd still be a problem without the relic.

wouldn't chopork want it? he had 2 sword relics 0 way to combat all the stamina drain

[signal lance]

That as well

Also another to note is the dreaded Sword + Amulet combo now allowing for Gaf amulet over a Stam regen one

[clear stump]

Quick question @raw swan, is your idea based upon leaks (unconfirmed info)?

[raw swan]

Based on? No, I came up with the idea of a sword cause I was thinking of other games/stories

[clear stump]

Please tell me which armor allows the user to revive, the armor currently obtainable ingame please. Or the one confirmed to do that.
@raw swan

[raw swan]

Hasn’t it been announced? Or no? I guess I could remove that tiny piece of info

[clear stump]

#announcements is your guide for it.

If it hasn't been announced I heavily suggest you reword your idea or remove entirely

[raw swan]

Well I thought it was announced, guess not

[raw swan]

I removed it, not like I had a choice unfortunately

[clear stump]

Leaks =/= announced info.

Rules are rules

Unconfirmed info is unconfirmed info

[slim magnet]

@normal tiger thats actually a very good idea

[normal tiger]

preciate it

[slim magnet]

@fresh ore i didnt read allat (only 1st line) but made a lol

[fresh ore]

lol thanks

i will try and make it shorter next time

[scarlet vector]

@sacred plover the problem with your suggestion is that this game is strategy based not skill based

[sacred plover]

Hmmm elaborate?

[scarlet vector]

this games not abt skill

[tired fossil]

fr

[sacred plover]

Yes but what's the real difference between strategy and skill?

[scarlet vector]

u use your brain

[tired fossil]

it's about rng and gambling

[sacred plover]

What I'm trying to say is make minigames such that good players whould be able to consistently claim the monsters

[scarlet vector]

like what?

[sacred plover]

Like uhhh idk but uhhhhhhhhhh

like think about team race its about who races best not about saving stuff up every 4 hours and spending on the last hour but actively doing tasks

[scarlet vector]

wdym by who races best

[sacred plover]

team go vrom vrom

[scarlet vector]

so a spamming competition

[sacred plover]

i mean ahhhh

like uh what if some sort of pvp mode where monster collect weekly

[scarlet vector]

just tell them to rework the pvp mode

its absolutely terrible

[sacred plover]

True

but imo the minigames suck too, like they call it a "maze" but its really just a log in every 4 hours task

[scarlet vector]

the maze is also p2w

[marble ether]

name an event that isn't

besides card flip 🤔

[scarlet vector]

Rework tales and rework the maze

[sacred plover]

It can be done f2p but only if u log in every 4 hours

[scarlet vector]

bh

[scarlet vector]

no it cant lol you need like 23k coins

tbh bh is

[marble ether]

when bh first came out the fk was paid only. they let you get it for free via a beta once alpine started before we got the current system.

But thats in the past yea its basically the only and best f2p event as long as your already all set up with runes and junk + have gems for speed up + prim

[scarlet vector]

remember they care abt money and not players experience

[marble ether]

curious now tho, card flip and bh are there any others

[scarlet vector]

monster of the year event

lol

[marble ether]

🤔 don't think I've been around to see that one

I assume it just gives it for free or omething

[scarlet vector]

there was one this year but for some reason uv forge won

[scarlet vector]

AHA. SP WOULD NEVER DO THAT

[marble ether]

do you get the monster that wins or something

[scarlet vector]

get baited

😭

they never give anything good for free

always p2w

[clear stump]

No, its just an opinion poll. A large poll gets sent out towards the end of the year then a short time later, the finalists are voted on in game. Anyone who voted last time got some General Summon tickets iirc.

Again just an opinion poll

[marble ether]

ah, so they were just joking

[clear stump]

I mean this was and wasnt. Its not p2w as anyone can vote. But some of the monsters available like UV Forge were paywall locked on release.

[signal lance]

Strategy - Able to plan for the opossition, usually with what you have, and near guarantee a win.

Skill - The ability to addapt to random changes in the fight and still guarantee a win (This is more common in fighting or shooter games)

In games like ML there is no such thing as skill, there is only strategy

[misty oriole]

Disagree, that's strategy vs. tactics you're describing. (Generally, strategy is large-scale, tactical is small-scale.) Skill just describes how good you are at the particular combination present in a given task.

[signal lance]

Ah, noted. But my point still stands, there genuinly is no skill in playing ML, itys just how good you are at planning

[marble ether]

that is indeed turn based games

[clear stump]

@marble ether Can't you hit the "back"/"return" button on your device?

Or go in and hit X on library.

[marble ether]

back button still opens the library. and yes you can x out once in the library. but why am I forced to go there?

[clear stump]

Valid point, thanks for the answer.

@brittle briar , #submit-ideas isn't for chatting in, any time you want to respond to a message you see there it should be done here.

[sacred plover]

@slender pebble this aint fortnite or som so i dont think we should basically change graciel himself but i think yeah relics should count

[fresh ore]

reintroducing talents would be so fun

perfect feedback from monster

[slender pebble]

Mm yeah I was just listing out possibilities that I thought could make graciel more useful in the meta, either change is fine to me

[marble ether]

not like SP not giving a tank a taunt is abnormal :^)
do people even have graciel awaken I did like once in the survival dungeon

[vocal notch]

If only he had something that would make him awaken cough cough taunt

[signal lance]

Gracial fits more of an attacker role than a tank role

[vocal notch]

Attacker? Im prolly missing smth here

[signal lance]

Finally I can nerd out

[vocal notch]

Unleash it 🤓

[signal lance]

The class Tank doesn't actually mean that a mon needs to have a form of Taunt, the class, specifically in ML, means that a mon has a high HP stat and has skills that can help sustain (Which is why mons like Phyreas is indeed a tank going by ML's rule book). Now Gracial with his Ancestor stats and his massive Life % removals is one of the VERY few attackers in the game that doesn't really care about streangth runes and as such can afford running more speed runes to guarantee certain speed benchmarks and allow for either a fast Team Evasion or a fast AOE that chunks anything for a massive amount of HP

Grac is basically a support/bulky attacker is what I am saying. The dude is HARD to kill and makes his allies much harder to kill but he isn't offensively inept like King Atum and can actually chunk mons for a ton of HP without having to sacrifice his runes

[wanton orbit]

I see

[naive cove]

Bring back monthly passes thanks x

[marble ether]

@bronze stratus

#recruit-beginners #recruit-members #recruit-experienced

there are channels for it lol, if your a co-lead or lead you can post a pic and request a role in the #role-request

[clear stump]

They have Epic role, they can post in #recruit-members, and they have done since

[signal lance]

I know its late and all but I do wanna discuss about the Gracial idea

While buffing him in making Relic damage count, you cannot do it without increasing the required amount by a TON unless you want him to constrict team building in wars

[fresh ore]

@scarlet vector good idea but I think maybe 80+ attacks in the last few wars or something because overachievers would be a 2 flame team if it was last 5 wars won

[wanton orbit]

@buoyant tangle what about a 24 hour cooldown between leaving and joining a team (increasing in duration the more often a player leaves teams)? Only being able to join 1 team in your entirety of playing seems incredibly harsh, but I agree in that team hopping should be discouraged.

[brittle briar]

Nah keep it as is

[buoyant tangle]

Your team doesn’t have to deal with this, what about the other teams that do? Taco I agree with your idea that some sort of time period needs to be in place before trying to join another team. Would alleviate some of the team hopping that ruins the race.

[wanton orbit]

another option would be to just kick team hoppers. If they don't help others get the reward then they dont deserve the reward themselves

[buoyant tangle]

That’s what’s happening now but takes so much time and becomes frustrating when you’re trying to advance in the race

[wanton orbit]

fair

[wanton orbit]

by "increasing duration," i mean like 24 hrs, then 72hrs, then a week

[buoyant tangle]

👍🏻

[cobalt horizon]

That could easily backfire. You have inactives in team during race, surely that would make it harder to replace them.

[raw swan]

Also, never being able to rejoin the same team? That’s a bit much, like what if you’re doing a team switch, or you’re in a coalition, or just taking a break?

[wanton orbit]

That's true, yes

[buoyant tangle]

The 24 hr cooldown would be before being able to join another team. Something though needs to happen to deter constant team hopping and not participating in the team. Team leads and co-leads are spending too much time dealing with these team hoppers. Just kicking them out is not the answer, especially when they continue to return throughout race.

[clear stump]

The best way to combat that imo is to have a Private team. They can't rejoin without permission.

[brittle briar]

Yeah true tbh

[gaunt geyser]

Very humorous indeed 😭

[thick thunder]

@tired fossil scroll to the right dawg 😭

[clear stump]

I don't think putting craftable relics back into the pool was a good move tho

[thick thunder]

oh

[tired fossil]

In the last equipment challenge there were only uncraftable relics, In this equipment challenge there are craftable and uncraftable relics

That's what I'm saying

[thick thunder]

i didnt know it was only uncraftables before

my bad

[tired fossil]

np

spend 80 gems for probably get useless relics is crazy

[cobalt horizon]

There are 2 different types of equipment challenges. This one has a new exclusive Ancestral, last one was only chests.

[tired fossil]

oh ok

[cobalt horizon]

We will have to wait until next one to see if the tier 5 chest will be in it. But would assume that is the reason.

[tired fossil]

ok ty

[clear stump]

Remember to use this channel for responding to messages in #submit-ideas please:)
@scarlet vector

[vocal notch]

I agree with the exception of that last part

[thick thunder]

lol

[clear stump]

@rich ingot show me vortux and dommeath please?

Nice to know we had the same thought about skins 😂

[rich ingot]

[rich ingot]

In a sec

[clear stump]

Oh my god what is Vortux brah

They caseoh'd him

And they completely removed the ghost aspect of the design

That's just a dude now

Dommeath is alright though can't complain there

[raw swan]

I honestly like both Vortux 😭

[rich ingot]

I liked old Vortux because he gives me that dark soul vibe. Actual menacing and cool to collect just for his design alone. Now he seems to consume 40 big macs on a daily basis.. this is sad man

oh wait i just realised they gave him pants because they didn't want to animate his flames

[clear stump]

The way these designs are accentuated just gives them a hyper energetic feel compared to monsters that actually matter tbh

[rich ingot]

they just feel very sluggish to me yuck

[mighty dagger]

what the hell happened to vortux

https://tenor.com/view/sad-probpem-frustasi-brokenhearted-coffee-gif-15105227

BRO

he’s so ugly now

[scarlet vector]

My team which y'all should join

[clear stump]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-9393756

[mighty dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-moment-gif-23616422

[scarlet vector]

Search up the team vortux

[mighty dagger]

blocked

[scarlet vector]

blocked you back

[livid cave]

Still there, just only visible in the ult

Imo I like it better than the og since it's like a small soul in an excessively large suit of armor but that's just me

[signal lance]

Dommeth looks cool.
Vortex looks like CaseOh from another dimension

[torn apex]

VORTUX GOT FAT 😭

[torn apex]

i don't like how small and then the armor makes them fat

[mighty dagger]

@fresh ore wonder how many times people tell sp to listen to the community or lose people and sp still doesn’t care

[fresh ore]

ik, which is why I didn't bother putting more feedback in there

i don't have the energy for it anymore there's no point

the thing is the game is really low player rn compared to how it's ever been from what I see

[rich ingot]

the only reason why this game is still alive is because of whales on top teams keep feeding them cash

[mighty dagger]

they really dont have anything better to do with their money

[vocal notch]

They literally have an entire section of the game unused for years which they can make money from aka skins but they'd rather ruin the game

[wanton orbit]

Honestly at this point it almost feels on purpose... why go out of their way to make betas that no one likes?

[mighty dagger]

its like their way to test people’s patience

bring out every bad idea in their minds and spit it on the fanbase

[wanton orbit]

A psychological experiment to see how much people can put up with when they are addicted to something

[torn apex]

good thing it doesn't affect me now

[cobalt horizon]

@karmic fable please read #general-feedback description. Include some feedback, not just a question.

[clear stump]

@verbal tree was that chest from the free lane of Legends Pass?

If so you can view what's inside most chests before you claim. Bronze relic is standard.

[verbal tree]

Damn

[clear stump]

Probably wanna delete the feedback or edit to state it should be a little more obvious in the name that you can get non-ancestral relics

[marble ether]

yea that chest sucks its a miracle to get a obsidian or ancestral from it. I normally just get bronze. one time I got gold!

[clear stump]

The tier 5 Ancestral Relic Chests in Champion challenge is called "Guaranteed Tier 5 Ancestral Relic" or something along those lines

[slim magnet]

@raw swan sp DONT WANT old monsters to be meta that's the problem

[raw swan]

I know 😭

[signal lance]

Even then, just ancestor relics wouldn't be enough

Their low stats hinder their PvP performance but at least some like Monk have a nich in Wars

[brittle briar]

what does monk do

[raw swan]

Rez block

[brittle briar]

oh

[signal lance]

Goes to show how powerful Rez Block is that some mons entire viability is wars is dependant on it

Though that is not taking into count the possible talents that Monk can run

[slim magnet]

Monk would be lot of used in war but diabolus is fire and there's often theton war lol

[signal lance]

True which sucks but I'm happy Monk still has a nich

[slim magnet]

I still use him smt

Used him against oa lol

[vocal notch]

Monk 🔥

[slim magnet]

Frrrr

[clever musk]

How did. You win the last battle

[slim magnet]

Because primorium theton and khal are sooo bad monsters💀😭

Jk

[marble ether]

death count

[sacred plover]

@thick thunder ppl are gonna use that for bad purposes aren't they?

[thick thunder]

yea but thats why theres a report button now

[signal lance]

Thats not exactly worth the trouble

[fresh ore]

factions were bad on war because they didn't have good monsters

books and elements is good to me

[marble ether]

books would be great, if this was a different game. you can't target farm monsters. If you don't have something you simply don't have it. (I'm not going to count spending 200+ gems for them and even if I did that doesn't cover everything)

sure if its the more generic books you'll have at least some monster, but again in a different game. This one has insane powercreep over the eras. even if you have something in the book whose to say how old it is. while there are a select few that remain viable its a very small % compared to how many old monsters there are

also idk about you but I don't want to have to unlock slots on a bunch of random monsters just to match books I still don't think its a good idea but I'd be more on board if monsters couldn't just all hatch with 1 slot.

thats not even considering the rune craft/removal costs. wars are definitely bland, but this game is not set up well to do something like that

[fresh ore]

you can just spend 30 gems and request the rest it's not hard honestly

it was more fun

I didn't have the best monsters for it either but I enjoyed it

can't say the same for war now

makes me wanna quit honestly

[signal lance]

Honestly, that was my main issue with the faction wars. It was genuinly common to see teams insta lose becausd they don't have many built mons for that restriction. I also do want to add that those factions could also have some insanely horendous mons (Barbarian literally only has Gobzirkir, Goblezard, and Khal as good ones) or have extremely outdated mons as the best options

[fresh ore]

yeah i don't honestly trust sp to do factions in war properly

[vocal notch]

Doesnt sound hard but u wont always have teammates to donate for you

Also entirely depends if they have any cells to spare for those monsters and if theyre willing to donate

[fresh ore]

i assume most top teams are pretty active in donations, if book restrictions were only champion+ or something I think that'd make it so that it's mostly prepared players who go in these restrictions

monsterwood gives monsters from abyssal-multiversal too

i agree that unfortunately not all monsters are available very easily

[marble ether]

assuming your monster pops up in the cell shop and you have 19 days to wait + get fully donated each day. yea that can happen

[fresh ore]

this would rely on restrictions being only high leagues so generally only prepared players get there in teams which donate like it was before

ive also stated in feedback several id love for new monsters to also be good so that you didn't have to spend all your gems backtracking four eras for useful monsters, and I think that would help a lot with war

[marble ether]

maybe for legend 1 teams, but legend 2 and below? its not hard to get 9-10 runes. but building up your roster of monsters can take quite a while. lets not even mention that with cell crafting its 4 days per monster

someone lucky will have 14s and able to do element wars cuz of ancestors, but with books end up waiting forever to build up their roster

[fresh ore]

i agree ranking them up and getting them takes a long time now. I think it's in a really bad state in every sense pretty much. it's long and hard to get era resources without colo (or good rusd but that's gone for good), new mythics are consistently awful and ancestors and luck based garbage dominates the game. I believe that all of that should be fixed alongside war of course. but its not as fun for me or anyone else anymore. it was interesting for a week but now it's all the exact same monsters every single time and I don't enjoy it as much, to me there is nearly no point to be competitive in war, I can't imagine how awful it is up there.

[marble ether]

ah right forgot about ranking. ranking mythics can be pretty annoying

thats another reason ancestors are so good, its easy to do them in comparison lol

anyways, just meant to say while books would make things interesting this game is set up bad so it wouldn't be great in practice

[clear stump]

Issue with books is some get incredibly neglected
Between like 2021 and 2023 ish the last addition to Superheroes book was Tallulight for not far off two years. Unless they restrict it to only high leagues, only recently updated books or books with Ancestors in its gonna be annoying

[fresh ore]

i agree that I hate some books too

getting outdated books vs a book with diabolus or something would suck

[clear stump]

Same goes for factions is some of them have corrupted era and previous as their main options I think still. Lol

[fresh ore]

the factions aren't fleshed out enough yet for them to be in war

and new mythics aren't good enough for them to flesh out the factions with good monsters

they'd probably have to do balancing with the books and actually reorganising them to make it work now

[clear stump]

@raw swan no way that would happen - ads engagement would go down as people would be putting their devices down to afk instead of actively "watching" them

[fresh ore]

my ads engagement was never that high I fear

[raw swan]

Honestly, I don’t think anyone engages with ads anyways, my phone is always off to the side, and it would still give SP their money

[cobalt horizon]

Ad providers would have their own data on how effective the method is.

[sacred plover]

But that wouldn't really give the advertisers their money's worth would it now?
At least there's a chance you're watching the ads when you're actively doing it.

[sacred plover]

@brittle briar L whale

survey whale 💀

[brittle briar]

What

[fresh ore]

I agree, it used to be 450 cells in each era I don't know how we got here

[slim magnet]

Wasnt it 600 cells + 60 ressource?

[fresh ore]

oh it was a bit different from what I said

it would be roughly 600 cells including the resource iirc

it's been so long since I had good rusd

[lean kelp]

550 cells + 60 resources

There's no reason the OG->the era before Abyssal I forgot should be giving 200 when none of them are used anywhere

[clear stump]

Galactic ^

[fresh ore]

another beta is disgusting

[clear stump]

Which one now?

[fresh ore]

titan dungeons

[clear stump]

Oooo

Aw hell yeah I've got it

[fresh ore]

I haven't as usual

[clear stump]

@wraith wadi big food here

[wraith wadi]

Hooray lemme do that

Oh wait sp made it a beta

Haha

So I don’t have it ahaha

Good Job

👏

[clear stump]

This one's harder because can't be controlled, Blinded, CDA'd

So I'm praying that atum urirl and another big healer works

[wraith wadi]

I thought I seen a video of someone using Gugul to time stop it

@clear stump

[lean kelp]

Ain't no way 😭

[wraith wadi]

Why’s it even a beta

That’s so annoying

[clear stump]

Oh each titan has different traits

First one is uncontrollable unfortunately no blind no cda and it has pierce

[wraith wadi]

Oh

[clear stump]

Second is Artifact and super attuned

[raw swan]

Where is it?

[clear stump]

Seasonal Dungeons

[raw swan]

Ofc I don’t have it 😭

[clear stump]

https://tenor.com/view/catshakira-cat-dance-catdance-catdancing-gif-22503034

[brittle briar]

But it does nothing

So it’s easy to beat

[clear stump]

Oops I swore wrong server LOL

[brittle briar]

Blud

[clear stump]

Pierce nanovirus toxins I think vuln

[brittle briar]

Ye but like it does no dmg really

So just use a ner monster and like tideborn

🌞

[clear stump]

Can't control first one

ITC ITT Blind Immun CDA immun

[brittle briar]

Yeah tideborn just for heal

[clear stump]

@dawn oxide if you're on android I would sign up to Google Play Points. That way you can eventually get rid of ads for "free".

[clear stump]

I do wonder which was the last full-scale "Beta", was it team battlegrounds?

[wispy spear]

@vast patrol this gimmick already is used by tayni

[raw swan]

While Tayni does have it, he’s so outdated that it’s not going to be useful in the current meta

[vast patrol]

what

[dawn oxide]

@clear stump sorry I didn’t notice you pinged me, unfortunately I am on android trying to do fetch play points to earn a gift card to get rid of the ads

[signal lance]

@vast patrolTayni, the 1st gen Mythic, has a skill that applies MT to an enemy and is used to combo with a powerful AOE. This skill was never used since it was a massive gimmick

[wispy spear]

newgen

[scarlet vector]

@normal tiger Good idea, social point would definitely add that wouldnt they

It seems fair enough that some teams have an unfair advantage over other teams

[vocal notch]

Just quit the game already brody

[normal tiger]

I appreciate the feedback man 😁

[clear stump]

Please send any monsters ideas to #monster-ideas, they don't go to the #submit-ideas channel. @zenith nova @vast patrol

@normal tiger that would kill race tbh, makes it impossible to get high laps without outright paying

[lean kelp]

@normal tiger LOVE your idea 😍

It's very in line with the values of SP

[marble ether]

you basically already need to sounds like something SP would add tbh

[lean kelp]

Race has been dead since they added relics and boosted the number of legendary/mythic nodes tbf

[marble ether]

it was funny seeing people claim you don't even need to spend gems with an active team, meanwhile breed 6 legend ofa stares you in the face already at 6.4 kek

doesn't seem like they ever plan on having a way to speed up hatching outside of buying legend pass

[lean kelp]

Waiting for them to add craft level 11-13 runes to race

[fresh ore]

race still pretty easy legendary and mythics have easy breeds it just looks different now, pretty much a visual change lol

also they're definitely going to add that idea anyways

[marble ether]

its more you have 4 hatchery slots and 2 breeding spaces but need to do 6+

they obviously are trying to force you to spend gems. theres no way you aren't going to spend hundreds trying to get higher

and thats already starting before even getting to 10, needs thousands for like 35+ I presume but I didn't exactly ask everyone how much they spent :P

[fresh ore]

yup unfortunately always been like that though and I don't think it'll change

just like tales

[normal tiger]

Thanks! I just want what's best for the community. 😍

[lean kelp]

dont you just go to 10 laps

the price for race has gone up over the last 2 years and it also forces you to waste valuable relic xp thats not possible to farm

[fresh ore]

yeah there's no point going past 10 laps anymore though

[marble ether]

ancestral tokens

[fresh ore]

which are so op

[marble ether]

some of the milestones are notable rewards, and you need a decent amount from race in order to get the 2nd monster

well unless you spend during the progression island things anyways or buy pass

[fresh ore]

it's true that the relics suck I agree they should've never added that to race, but you can get a bunch from the era saga which releases when race comes out anyways

[slim magnet]

@normal tiger so you mean like those stamina are for skip a ofa/dyp/je without geming?🤔

Also 15 stamina per members?

Tbh make it beta would not be good💀

Just like the members will join another team just because of the stamina beta💀😂

[normal tiger]

No like if you want to do ofa you first have to spend the 5 stamina and then complete the task

This will make it so some people won't steal all the points

[cobalt horizon]

In a race team, it's not about pts but racing as a team. I would be happy if tasks gave pts relative to difficulty.

[vocal notch]

or just have a coordinated team instead of spending money to complete a race task 💀

[normal tiger]

I see your point but like anyone having this many points is unhealthy for the game

[lean kelp]

Becuz of the cost and task changes

[slim magnet]

@normal tiger i tbh dont like the idea

[normal tiger]

I understand and respect your opinion pro

[slim magnet]

it can be good for somes case but it can makes looot team lot of harder to race

Ppl dont like race, by doing that ppl will hate race more i think lol

[marble ether]

I mean, yes but. thats not purely ofas is it? people generally end up with that many points since they are carrying

and in that case I'd just say thanks

[rich ingot]

That idea was chef's kiss. Anything for sp's downfall, Micah

[clear stump]

Me when troll idea (I have the power to delete them)

[rich ingot]

Unnecessary change, useless feature, breaking something that is perfectly fine... This one has it all and I can see sp executives are taking notes right now

[marble ether]

the wild part is it seems they were serious so far

[lean kelp]

accidentally posted my feedback early and now have to wait 6 hours before i can repost

😍

[normal tiger]

Ty man

[slim magnet]

Lol😂

[slim magnet]

There 2 channels

[vast patrol]

I misread the name 💀

[fresh ore]

yup, and because the rewards are just ass now lol

it's only worth if your in a team where you enjoy the race imo

[vocal notch]

about the feedback from @ dumbrock, it seems that everyone overlooked the historia era announcement article where they specified that they were gonna stop ancestor dungeons and ancestor coa with the new era saga

[fresh ore]

i agree that there should be an ancestor coa for the new ones which gives more than 5 cells too

[zenith nova]

Ok

[signal lance]

The idea of PvP defense replays always gets suggested yet it always has the same answer. Its kinda impossible to save that many replays, especially with how expensive the storage would be

[fresh ore]

you could maybe save a log of the skills used instead or something, I don't know how within the realm of possibility it would be just to not save a video, save the skills they use and repeat that for replays. and maybe only for higher league players and for last 3 defenses or whatever

[magic coral]

Can't we have at least a screenshot of the amount of life and stamina the winner had left?
Just like team wars results where we can see which monsters survived

[signal lance]

Could be possible but with how many PvP battles happen each day there may be a lot of mistakes

[magic coral]

Why?

[signal lance]

Imagine having to lode 10-15 PvP result screens depicting the right Monster, HP, and Stam Value. Now do that over thousands of accounts

[magic coral]

Isn't it the same with thousands of team wars?

[signal lance]

WIth them, it gets deleted almost instantly

[magic coral]

Space is not an excuse since we can check the war logs in multiple teams for multiple users

[signal lance]

Its gonna be a gamble really

The sheer amount of PvP battles probably eclipse War's enough but I can't guarantee that

[gaunt geyser]

It most likely does

[fresh ore]

that can be just text lol that's not a lot of storage

[gaunt geyser]

The point still stands

[fresh ore]

it's literally bytes for text

that's nothing

[gaunt geyser]

Yeah I know, wikipedia is a prime example

But SP isn’t going to want to have their devs develop the software if they don’t want to do even basic improvements