ideas-feedback-discussion

[mighty dagger]

it always been this way

went from creative ideas to be featured in the game like new dungeon ideas or something for monsters to increase this, decrease that

make the game less p2w

not like they know #general-feedback exists and surprise surprise its also very useless cus its like ranting to thin air

[wanton orbit]

I intend to keep my new years resolution, that being to be more optimistic

[raw swan]

At least there is still some every once in a while

[chrome cloak]

Bro??

What made you so toxic??

I'm sorry that NOWHERE in the game does it say I can collect gold at 30 habitats

[raw swan]

Toxic? I’ve done nothing to you, I’ve tried to help you before, you are the one who calls everything mid, and when I question you, you get so defensive and say that I’m in the wrong and have no life, I’m not toxic, I’ve tried to help, but it’s not easy when you act like this, and it’s not just you who does it

[cobalt horizon]

@tired tide please read channel description for #general-feedback

[chrome cloak]

You just said "I love when people rant in submit ideas like it'll do anything, it's honestly hilarious" obviously talking about me

[mighty dagger]

he meant people in #submit-ideas in general

[raw swan]

Yes, I was, including the others who do that, cause ranting will do nothing, only makes you stay just as mad

It’s not all about you

[chrome cloak]

I wasn't ranting?? I didn't know that there was a collect gold button

Sorry that nowhere in game

How was I suppose to know?

[raw swan]

Not that🤦‍♂️, it’s the luck thing, people complain about it daily and it’s annoying as hell, it’s RNG, luck! It’s literally random, you can’t really get too mad at it

[mighty dagger]

dont even feel like ideas

[raw swan]

Like suggestions or kind of demands

[mighty dagger]

exactly

[chrome cloak]

A Suggestion is the same as an idea

[raw swan]

Like the gold one is more sensible, but it isn’t even really a suggestion

[chrome cloak]

Pretty much

[raw swan]

I didn’t say it wasn’t

It’s the suggestions they give, the ideas they give, they’re like demands

[chrome cloak]

Zephyr's idea was actually good

You can't be talking about that

[raw swan]

Did I say it wasn’t

You’re saying stuff I’m not even saying

[mighty dagger]

isnt the point of #submit-ideas to make something fresh to the table like a new dungeon or button for something

not like

increase or decrease price

[chrome cloak]

Mhm, and tell me again how I was suppose to know their was already a collect all gold button? How about, you worry about yourself, because all you do is sit on discord and criticize other peoples ideas

[raw swan]

This is another thing, trying to stuff words in my mouth and make me out to be the bad guy, and like Sentri is saying

[chrome cloak]

literally what I was asking for

[mighty dagger]

yeah but thats for the auto collect gold button to be unlocked early on

i said something fresh to bring something new

[raw swan]

No, I’m sick right now I don’t have much to do, also I never ONCE said anything about that, so how about you stop stuffing my mouth with words that I’ve never said, and I’m not criticizing, I try to help, I try to be nice, I try to understand and help others understand, you have been the opposite

[mighty dagger]

not “buff” the feature that already exists

[wanton orbit]

can we not argue?

[raw swan]

Tell that to the boy who calls everything “mid”, and tries to say that dedication is no life

[wanton orbit]

but yea, I think the increase/decrease/buff/nerf ideas should go in #general-feedback , but i can see why people would put them in #submit-ideas

[wanton orbit]

telling it to all yall

[raw swan]

It should be more thoroughly moderated

[raw swan]

I don’t do that stuff

That’s why this discord is a mess, it needs more than two people

Not that they aren’t good, but it’s thousands of people, they need more to sort it out

[wanton orbit]

i dont like targeting specific people

[wanton orbit]

which is why the keeper and monster master roles exist

[raw swan]

Me neither, but when someone comes at me, I have a right to defend myself, it isn’t arguing since I’m not the one who started it

[raw swan]

How did you get that role, is there some application?

[mighty dagger]

fr

guess people still think increase/decrease suggestions are “ideas”

[wanton orbit]

i think there was a long time ago, but now its just given to certain people (plz dont ask for the role)

[mighty dagger]

well more like demands

[raw swan]

I’m not dumb, not going to ask, this server needs to be more moderated is all, there should be stricter rules, especially on fighting and arguments

[wanton orbit]

its difficult to moderate arguments imo, as there is no fine line in the sand for when someone needs to step in

[raw swan]

It’s like “buff this monster” “remove this” “decrease luck based things” it’s not even ideas at that point…

[raw swan]

Once someone starts insulting, or swearing heavily, is when you step in, for example, the end of this message

People have no idea what others are going through or go through on a daily basis, most insults shouldn’t even be allowed because of this

[wanton orbit]

alright, thanks. but i dont wanna flood this chat. can we go to dms or something?

[raw swan]

Sure

[signal lance]

Cave RNG is like the one thing keeping caves actually balanced

Like, asuming they want caves to be set in stone, It would be supremely easy for someone to map it out completely

I don't know the math but I am 90% sure no one would make individual cave seeds because of how insane that amount is because every change in a floor from rewards and the location of the trap would be considered as a different cave seed meaning it might be impossible to not make caves RNG without having someone break it down and map it out

[raw swan]

It has been done

In other games I mean, with more complicated things

[signal lance]

Which I don't think would suffice in the dudes eyes

He would most likely chalk it up to more RNG

[coral raven]

Huh

This exists???

Like the collect all one

[cobalt horizon]

Already been discussed. They have less than 30 habitats, so were unaware of it.
Good idea.

Collect all didn't used to exist.

[charred pagoda]

Huge QoL update

[stable crow]

Is the infinite gauntlet or bosses each week just like in corrupted era a bad idea ?,it would be fun and a great way to gain resourses.

[wooden thunder]

ehhh you going need to make it has tons of things so its worth it

they have to make it gain alot

[stable crow]

Well I hope SP bring back those events

[wooden thunder]

highly Doubt it knowing they don't look in feedbacks

[cobalt horizon]

@clear lagoon fugitive hater doesn't appear on the sheets, if you check old ones.

[brittle briar]

How do we know if it’s area or single then?

[cobalt horizon]

You don't yet

[brittle briar]

And it did appear on old sheets if I remember correctly

[cobalt horizon]

Yes, old ones did. The first time it was missing I asked about it.

[brittle briar]

Hm

[upbeat lava]

I didn’t get my 20 gems from being top 5K for the food event

I had 30 million food fed and was top 2000 K

[cobalt horizon]

Reload game

But I don't think they are out yet.

Yes, I just got mine.

[signal lance]

@scarlet vector if its not a good idea why bother adding it?

[raw swan]

@thick thunder Even Galante and Violet, this happened like a month ago for me, so idk why it didn’t for you

[brittle briar]

Beta probably

[raw swan]

Seems so small to make a beta for, this is getting out of hand

[brittle briar]

idk a lot od small things are betas

[raw swan]

Champion token beta annoys me, people getting same rewards as us for much cheaper??

[brittle briar]

fr

[spice breach]

@thick thunder I love this idea but it would be incredibly difficult to moderate and will probably suffer the same fate as global chat

[spice breach]

@fiery dagger it already exists

[fiery dagger]

where 🗿

[spice breach]

#rules-information

There’s a link

[fiery dagger]

ofc it's called rules

that's very vague tbh

[wanton orbit]

Hence "information"

It contains the rules and information for the server

[wispy spear]

@thick thunder off-topic but why are you using bluestacks when there is monster legends in microsoft store?

[raw swan]

It typically runs far better and has monsterwood

[sleek root]

@scarlet vector legendary and mythic tasks fill up nearly %30+ of race tasks if you gonna remove that you should get another idea to replace it

[scarlet vector]

maybe like uncommon metal or smth like that

[sleek root]

Race cant be too easy yk

[scarlet vector]

dang i was hoping then more teams could get the monster

cause right now 75 percent of teams dont actually get the monster

[sleek root]

%75 the teams dont have communication between team members and management

[scarlet vector]

maybe races could be different for bronze league teams?

[sleek root]

İts their problem at this point

[scarlet vector]

yeah i agree

they just suck

[sleek root]

@scarlet vector troll suggestion?

I hope its a troll

[scarlet vector]

which one

[sleek root]

You deleted it bro

@scarlet vector

[scarlet vector]

i didnt

Ive posted it like 3 times

[sleek root]

Whats this dude

[scarlet vector]

An idea

[sleek root]

This is not an idea

Straight up trolling

[scarlet vector]

a suggestion

[sleek root]

Not a suggestion either

[wanton orbit]

I want the treasure cave removed, but I don't like that wording

[sleek root]

Weird way to express opinions

[scarlet vector]

yeah its just too easy

[wanton orbit]

My brain just died for a moment

If it's removed, it'd make a lot of players quit tho

It has to be slowly nerfed to the ground first

[scarlet vector]

yeah maybe that

[sleek root]

İdk if you are expressing your suggestion but do it properly atleast

[scarlet vector]

ok

[cobalt horizon]

@brittle briar what's the feedback? You need to add more to your post, not just remove something. #general-feedback

[sleek root]

@scarlet vector 7 days is crazy

Maybe like 3 months

Just like CoC

[scarlet vector]

no

3 months is too much

[wanton orbit]

7 days is manageable, but maybe 2 weeks because life happens?

[cobalt horizon]

I can already happen, but not sure the conditions. I've seen leads and co-leads automatically demoted in the past.

[thin dew]

fr

Imagine losing your ml team bc you can’t play fighting cancer

[runic thunder]

why chests are instantly opening now? it usually comes with a delay and make things unbearable

[brittle briar]

It’s been like that for a while now

[runic thunder]

and its still nonsense

[raw swan]

@scarlet vector Don’t react with those emojis

[scarlet vector]

why

[flint stone]

Because some aren’t nice.

I removed one.

Please don’t repeat.

[sleek root]

Why you gotta be this mad at my idea dude

[raw swan]

Ignore him, he's someone you would call a "troll"

He's not worth it

[scarlet vector]

how am i a troll? just expressing that its a bad idea

[sleek root]

Going with 4 different emojis is crazy

Just use downvote thing

[scarlet vector]

proves my point

[runic thunder]

omg as we cant scroll down and see what you wrote

actually i understand at some point

[wanton orbit]

Please remove the swear

[runic thunder]

theres no swear

[scarlet vector]

and it wasnt much better than his 💀

[wanton orbit]

Yep

[runic thunder]

uu i see

[wanton orbit]

The 5th word

[runic thunder]

it must be harmful for kiddos isnt it

Please remove the swear

[wanton orbit]

Yes. Please delete it

Thanks

And this

I highly doubt that's ok

[scarlet vector]

he is a kind of mod

[wanton orbit]

I am a helper

[scarlet vector]

not a mod

[runic thunder]

then help me to keep my swear

[wanton orbit]

Correct

[scarlet vector]

so why do you care

[wanton orbit]

I help to keep the rules

[runic thunder]

for what sake

[wanton orbit]

What do you mean?

I do have the ability to mute people if that's what you are asking

Please stop swearing

[scarlet vector]

its not a swear if there no i

[wanton orbit]

It is always used as a swear

Last warning, please remove the swear @scarlet vector

[scarlet vector]

bossy

[wanton orbit]

I don't make the rules, I just enforce them

[runic thunder]

how the hell you could think im asking for that

[mighty dagger]

whats going on?

Are you trying to earn a darwin award in mute

[scarlet vector]

no

[mighty dagger]

then why you and aliemre continue to try to keep the swearing in

[flint stone]

Abbreviated still counts.

You know all this.

You aren’t new here.

[flint stone]

We don’t. And you can see what you wrote is just avoiding it. I have removed. Do not repeat. Thank you.

[runic thunder]

i think i already edited it

is poo illegal nowadays

[scarlet vector]

is that allowed

[cobalt horizon]

That is disrespectful, remove @scarlet vector

[echo tide]

I believe that multiplayer monsters haven’t been good since their cells were available as rewards in all multiplayer chests

[brittle briar]

they were still bad

[echo tide]

Gartox was OP

[echo tide]

Atleast for me he was back then

Multiplayer monsters were beneficial for free to play

[analog cove]

How come people still have will to play this game even after they nerfed everything to its roots,literally everything and making the game more money reliable thingy?

Like why would i throw money at this game when once i stop you'll be considered weak if you miss some monsters

Where are the days where we used to get 100+ gems per dungeon/week?Oh i forgot it was a feature or rather i should say "BUG" that ML got rid of it since thats too much for thr players ye?

No hard feelings just wanted to share some opinions

[wanton orbit]

I'm still here just cuz of the community

[analog cove]

[cobalt horizon]

There is a revenge option

You just can't revenge a revenge attack.

[scarlet vector]

Ive never attacked the guy though.

[cobalt horizon]

Must be some other reason then, or was an attack you don't remember. But revenge attacks are there, just not for all lost attacks.

[brittle briar]

@scarlet vector I said team ner

[scarlet vector]

oh

[torn apex]

isn't that all of us now??? 🤔

[wanton orbit]

@elfin acorn @upbeat lava #monster-ideas

[crystal idol]

Then i have some recommendations -

1. Sent Gift option should be in ml with better features.

2. New modes and new features should be released monthly to make game better unless it will become booring.

3. ( Optional but Really effective ) there should be trade feature for players to sell or buy in game items in cheaper , i know SP need money but i am not saying to trade everything just some things.

4. A monthly event in which players can burn their in game items which are useless or not worthy for newer tokens or tickets, or to spin in new royales ( you should create monster royale event ) .

[lean kelp]

Trading will never and should never be added

[scarlet vector]

sorry but it should.

[wanton orbit]

Let's look at upsides and downsides of trading, yes?
Upsides: some people will enjoy it, it could let people progress faster
Downsides: it loses a lot of money for the game, it takes the fun out of the grind, it would help people progress too quickly, and many players would quit because of it

I'd say the downsides outweigh the upsides, sorry

[mighty dagger]

defeat the purpose of progress to get more items and monsters

especially for players who played for years to get a ton of gems, gold, monsters and runes only to see that beginners can just trade to get stuff

[scarlet vector]

makes it easier. Great way

[mighty dagger]

Its quick and lazy

you’re supposed to work for it

[scarlet vector]

who cares abt that its easier to get op stuff

[mighty dagger]

so you’re saying you care less about the point of progress over the cheapest option just because its easy to get “op stuff”

[scarlet vector]

especially when the treasure cave has been ass for like 3 weeks

[scarlet vector]

ye

[mighty dagger]

[wanton orbit]

Ok so I have a little problem right now. People these days can get really good in the game, and not ever know what coa is. This, to me, is infuriating, and its only gonna get worse if they add trading

[mighty dagger]

Sometimes i can’t tell if they’re just struggling to make good process in the game or just completely lazy and say to add trading to get the stuff they want without making any progress

and thats how i picture nadhcone’s claim

laziness over process even with the current state of getting “op stuff” gets easier

if its struggle then deal with it

[magic coral]

Younglings need more instant gratification or they lose interest

[signal lance]

^^

[wanton orbit]

I hate that because it's true

[signal lance]

Trading is utter garbage and I will never stand with it

I love the gratification of grinding my way to get a mon and losing that makes the game even more unfun

[sharp wing]

Agreed

[mighty dagger]

hm.

[mighty dagger]

yeah i get that feeling for gratification to get a mons or anything else you want in ml or games in general

but not with trading

[signal lance]

100%

Trading is impossible to balance in RPG games

[wooden thunder]

without there being very reason obv why it won't work

[scarlet vector]

i mean its not like you could trade everything it could be limited

[signal lance]

Then whats the limitation? Whats the limit to where the trading feature would actually be a good addition to the game without ruining it?

[scarlet vector]

any monster to r3 galactic.

[signal lance]

That limitation is way too low

You are saying I can just get an R3 Galactic mon for free?

Or an R5 mon for free?

[scarlet vector]

makes sense like the treasure cave.

[signal lance]

That is busted

That completely derails War to such a deegree its not even funny

[signal lance]

Treasure cave ain't even the same

To R5 a mon via Treasure cave you need good RNG and an INSANE amount of gems

[scarlet vector]

no its only r3.

[signal lance]

So much so that you could end up passing on Ancestral tokens via Race, Tales, AND BH

[signal lance]

Still an insane amount of gems and RNG

This isn't something you should be getting for free

[scarlet vector]

Gems: from 5 gems to 100 gems, Gold: from 5k gold to 1m gold. Food from 5k food to 2.5m food.

[signal lance]

Holy god. This is so unbalanced

Congrats on ruining the entire Gem economy

[scarlet vector]

its not free its trading.

[signal lance]

Buddy, 100 gems for what?

[scarlet vector]

75 gems??

[signal lance]

25 gem profit

[scarlet vector]

or maybe like 10m gold or smth

[signal lance]

The gem economy is screwed

[signal lance]

I make 100M gold a day

[scarlet vector]

me too!

[signal lance]

Congrats, Now this game is some how more inflated in its economy than the entire US

Trading is just plain impossible to balance

I could be drowining in gems with this trading system. It just proves you never gave it thought in the balancing department

[brittle briar]

Yeah trading is stupid

[mighty dagger]

i like how he’s constantly trying to get slayer to agree on trading

he’s that dedicated to wanting a trading feature

[wanton orbit]

Resources like gems should never be tradeable

[brittle briar]

Cause he’s ass and doesn’t want to actually have to grind to be less ass

[wanton orbit]

And we already have "gem trading" in the best way possible, that being "sending the person you want to send gems to a gift card to buy gems"

[mighty dagger]

The Deadly Sin of Sloth in a nutshell

[brittle briar]

Real

[charred pagoda]

He’s a peccatulum pigritiae waiting to distort

[signal lance]

@raw swan The issue with your idea is that, Those relics become over centralizing

If they instantly trigger SC's or don't stop DA from running out of charges, It instantly makes those relics at the very top of the list, basically meaning, those two relics genuinly are a must for mons now. Any mon that can't hold those relics are in a sever disadvantage, so much so we might genuinly have more useless mons that what many already see

[raw swan]

I understand that, which is why, what if they took an important relic slot, like a sword or essence? Or if only one could be gotten

It would definitely be overpowered, but it also would be the closest to getting the old PVP back

Or if it’s some sort of relic that could go into any relic slot?

I don’t know, something I thought of, obviously would have to be balanced in some way

[signal lance]

Its just impossible to really work with it

The only one with contention would be Trap and Amulet because of Adder Trap and Gaf's Amulet but the other relic slots are just fair game

[raw swan]

I suppose

If they didn’t do this we wouldn’t have this problem, but I guess it’s nothing we can do

Wait, what if it was a talent? Making it limited to galactic and below, could make a bunch like Maggie useful again

[signal lance]

Sword? We don't have many good swords, EP and Obscure come to mind but if the mons SC's are good then you would just run the relic that activate it.
Essence? Theton and Gorruptor are starting to seem more and more viable so that is basically an open slot now.
Staff? We have had multiple Staff users not even run Stam regen on it

[signal lance]

That would literally invalidate every other talent then

[raw swan]

Yeah but, most are beginning to be less and less useful anyways

[signal lance]

Elvira DS would absolutely run that over DP or AC and the same is said for Uriel

[raw swan]

I don’t know

[signal lance]

Its just impossible

[raw swan]

Maybe single one

[raw swan]

Sad

[sleek root]

Thanks moderator Helen for deleting my feedback for literally no reason and without an explaination

[hollow nova]

"You "Mods" can keep removing comments in this channel but that won't change the fact that you ruined your own game with this update."
Mods don't have anything to do with this

[mighty dagger]

@karmic fable mods dont even work on the game

[scarlet vector]

no but helens deleting most of the feedback mesages

[mighty dagger]

what does that have to do with ruining the game

its not like shes a sp worker by removing feedback comments

[cobalt horizon]

The only posts that get removed are those that break the rules.

[vocal notch]

To be fair, looking at the rules stated in the channels description, its a little tough trying to be polite and not be sarcastic and/or repeat the same thing when you're never listened to. There are a whole lot of great ideas and suggestions posted by the community that completely go under the radar. We dont even know if the devs see any of them or acknowledge any of them since there is no transparency and communication between the two parties. Also, having the audacity to release these horrid changes and state that they decided on these changes "based on the community's feedback" when not a single person asked about these in any channels or any other place, does not help the situtation whatsoever.

Im starting to believe that a flood of negative feedback is the only way to make them really understand that they screwed up so badly with something that its got to the point where said change needs to be reverted back to its original state. Perfect example is when they removed the Caverns of Ascension.

[mighty dagger]

then why did you say this

im questioning why mention mods ruining their game by deleting feedbacks when its more of the devs

or whoever is making these ideas to make these updates

[scarlet vector]

hes not talking abt the dang game bro

[mighty dagger]

ok

[scarlet vector]

your really the techers pet arent you

[signal lance]

I'm reading what was posted

The way it was worded literally had no way to indicate it was for the devs

[scarlet vector]

standing up for the dang mods mate

[signal lance]

The "Mods" was the big point of misconception as it could have been a jab at taking the mods into question

[signal lance]

I'm not. I'm standing up for Sentri where a misconception could have brewed

[mighty dagger]

i mean i dont like the mods at all but theres always the moment i want to nickpit some parts of a feedback

[signal lance]

Or misunderstanding

[scarlet vector]

yea right.

[signal lance]

Belive what you want Nadhcone

[signal lance]

I forgot you do that sometimes

[mighty dagger]

like what does shotkiller means by mods ruining their game by deleting feedback

[scarlet vector]

making the devs not be able to see whats actual fax

[vocal notch]

Mods and sp devs are 2 completely different sets of individuals. He meant sp devs and instead typed out mods. Learn to read

[signal lance]

^^

[vocal notch]

If i were to guess he probably meant that the mods are ruining the game by silencing the community's voice and deleting their feedbacks therefore it makes the devs think that the feedback was less negative than what it originally was

[signal lance]

I feel like the misunderstanding came from that one issue and Nadhcone just doesn't want to understand that formatting a sentence correctly, with correct grammer, can affect how we view a certain string of text

Ah, thats what you meant. The way it was worded kinda sounded like a jab at the mods

I'm not? I genuinly don't even know who the mods are is the funny thing

[vocal notch]

I do agree with that in the sense that when the devs do eventually check out the feedback(if they do) and see that the negativity isnt so bad and decide to keep going with those changes

[signal lance]

I agree with that, Sometimes a negative comment is a good thing and can help the devs be better... though a few people tend to take that... how do I say this... very, VERY far

[vocal notch]

In my post in the channel earlier up above i mentioned how when devs tried replacing coa with the new pvp chests, the feedback was so bad that they reverted it which makes me believe that they do care if enough negative feedback exists

[signal lance]

Oh 100%

[scarlet vector]

no he didnt he said "what did the mods do? " Not the devs.

[vocal notch]

And mods deleting feedback comments prevents that from happening

[mighty dagger]

nice

[signal lance]

Enough negative feedback has gotten certian things removes such as the stamin requirement for COA/RUSD

Its just a matter of time, but for now enjoy the show

I got popcorn and Dip-n-Dots

[vocal notch]

I got college to take care of so no show for me ig

Maybe the changes were a good thing after all?

[mighty dagger]

waiting on the student to pick me up for school

[signal lance]

Rezblock change was good, DA needs a higher charge with it not counting SC's and Relics. SC's need to be reverted

1/3 points

[vocal notch]

Theres already a whole lot of negative feedback. If the mods dont start deleting more we might just have a chance

[mighty dagger]

if thats the case then theres still a ton of problems they havent fixed even with honest comments

[vocal notch]

I aimed that message at myself as a way of saying these changes will make me stop playing and focus more on irl

[vocal notch]

Res block should definetly stay. And as for dodge area, the fact they have to do this kind of bullcrap with a certain trait makes zero sense. DA is a trait just like every other. If they wanna nerf it they should either nerf the monsters that have da or stop releasing as many monsters with da. Best thing would be both since theyre already handing DA out to monsters like its candy

[flint stone]

If all give constructive feedback, it can stay. When people over step, then we have to remove.

Rude comments are just that. Think before you place.

Feedback is a good way to communicate with the company, being rude isn’t.

[vocal notch]

Good to know that only the rude comments are removed

[flint stone]

Remove it please.

[hallow knot]

its everyones business if its public

i just like being a little rabblerouser... a little silly if you will

it is part of your public profile so it certainly is my business c;

and your public profile is here in this server :3

breaks server rules : D so i tell Helen because it's funny

yes :3 read the rules

;P

@flint stone

[mighty dagger]

if you want swears then why consider going against a server that doesnt allow swears

[flint stone]

Whilst I sort this out.

[hallow knot]

okay !! ^^

uhhh uhh so my thoughts are
Meta is kinda R.I.P. now

old mons? expired

[mighty dagger]

Heres my thoughts

Keep up the good work SP

in declining and mad the fanbase furthermore

[flint stone]

Sorted.

[mighty dagger]

but its sp

they make updates out of nowhere without warming before it comes

[hallow knot]

the new pvp looks soooo good and the treasure cave is AWESOMESAUCE now but... ;_;

[mighty dagger]

saw shotkiller’s teacher’s pet comments getting deleted

wait did he got banned

oh look nadhcone banned too

[flint stone]

They overstepped and so were banned.

The other person has rejoined.

All good.

[glass crest]

What is this new PVP? Is there a restyle or something? Saw something in feedback about this as well

[hallow knot]

yea they have had a beta pvp for a couple szns !! you get put into groups of 50 and fight to reach top 10 for a promotion each the week xD
first they decided to remove the caverns of ascension if you had beta... but they reverse that

you cant see who are going to fight and you cant revenge either : P

[scarlet vector]

its not and why are you acting like your 7?

[hallow knot]

You're*
What is life, without a little fun and whimsy? Must we all remain cynical and stoic, lest a jester we will never meet criticises us? I refuse to deign any formalities.

also treasure cave when its not corrupted mons only is very good :3

[scarlet vector]

your 🤓

[hallow knot]

wrong ;p google it

[raw swan]

It is actually you’re

Since you’re is just you are, so you are saying, “acting like you are” or “you’re” “7”

[scarlet vector]

your life is wrong.

[hallow knot]

you have not mastered the art of whimsy

[sleek root]

Ye your right

[flint stone]

The one liners, as they have no feedback to them.

And that player that wouldn’t alter their rude comment.

So, yes…. I have deleted 5.

[mighty dagger]

I like how they really choose to bring back the stamina mechanic in pvp

[shy lotus]

Wait, bring back? This used to be a thing?

[vocal notch]

apparently it was a thing back in legendary era

[mighty dagger]

ml pvp was different back then

it had 3 stamina uses + gold iirc

you also get to see 3 opponent teams and choose one of to fight instead of the game randomly choosing the team to fight

[charred pagoda]

yea

[brittle briar]

@scarlet vector how is stop using 14s a solution…

[scarlet vector]

if you dont use them you wont have to spend gems to remove them.

[brittle briar]

So the solution is just to not use the best runes in the game?

[scarlet vector]

just use them wisely and not use them on useless monsters just to show off to a discord server.

[brittle briar]

Huh

Maybe I have more monsters than runes to put on them?

😂

[hallow knot]

@torn apex what do you mean "dont do anything" but also not say what change you want XD

work well no? cant hit attacks

[torn apex]

its just useless if thats what all i can do

like lets say im total blind and because i can do anything well unlike pos I can just use spoort move LOL

[brittle briar]

What?

😂

[torn apex]

i just saying that blind kinda sucks???

as denying option lol

so they can make it more useful???

[brittle briar]

How does it suck

[mighty dagger]

how?

[torn apex]

because its kinda works like possession except you can just nullified with one support move (blind doesn't make you miss with ur support move so you can just use that or you have to recharge)

possession sure you can just recharge but you may get the chance to randomly use a move

I think thats how i feel tbh

[brittle briar]

But it can force a recharge

Is that not the point of things like roots, stun, freeze

Just they get skipped instead of recharging

[mighty dagger]

isnt the point of blinding is to risk their luck of hitting their enemy and miss and/or force them to recharge because they doubt their attacks would land

its not a control either because possession force them to hit or recharge

[signal lance]

Blind isn't a control at all

By all definitions, its a debuff thus grouping it with stuff like Daze or 3 turn death countdown

[signal lance]

Thats like a highly specific senario and you didn't even adress that more mons are immune to Control/Possession than those immune to blind and in multiple occasions Blind is more threatning that a denial by the sheer threat of turning all attacking moves a 50/50

[torn apex]

that didsn't stop people thinking its kinda bad???

[signal lance]

People don't think its bad, Bad players think its bad

Good players hate nothing more than Blind because you can't make a plan for it

You can make a plan for controls but blind is basically just pray and hope

[torn apex]

or it lands on my support and i use my support move :3

or a boost move to bypass

(total blind)

[signal lance]

Guess what, Blind is almost always given to AOE skills

So your support, while boosting, still doesn't make it palatable, its still a 50/50 on the attacker

Like with denials, I can plan for that, I can bring Citizen armor to counter it or maybe try and bring an immune to control mon.
With blind? I'm basically done for and I'm basically playing Russian Rullet with half the load full

[torn apex]

okay but what if i can just connivingly have a AOE support move that HAS NER (i'm not saying that all supports have it but like)

[signal lance]

That is like the most highly specific sneario that its not even fair

[torn apex]

back then NER was pretty common tho

[signal lance]

Thats back then

This is now

Like that hypothetical scenario isn't a cath 22, its you digging into a barell under a pile of barrels to get an example that proves your piont when the other barells already show the oposite

[torn apex]

oh well we can't go back to the same meta noe the the changes are in

not like the devs will hear us out so... 🤷‍♂️

[signal lance]

@compact anvil Why buff Enki?

Enki is already beyond busted

[mighty dagger]

and no one else talks about the majority of mythics with poorly made skills

dont know why buff ancestor out of all things

[signal lance]

Because they think Enki "sucks"

[compact anvil]

Idk, I just feel like he needs something else. Right now he just has TD and a few tortures. If he doesn’t have PER or any controls he should at least have a better trait like control immunity or torture immunity

And he has double healing for some reason…it would have been cool if they went somewhere with that. I think some support healing moves would have really completed his design

It bothers me seeing monsters with interesting designs go to waste like Robur Tyr and Khalorc

[signal lance]

My brother in Uriel, Enkidu enabled the first ever PvP team that is ran on Auto

Like seriously Enkidu is absolutely busted in the fact NOTHING walls his Trait Disable meaning everything from Theton, Uwu wu, basically every denier is now able to frey deny you and your team from even playing the game and you can't do a thing about it.

[signal lance]

Not only that, We DON'T want a mon doing everything, thats how we get busted mons beyond our comprehention, Enki is designed to Trait Disable and spread DOT's and that is what he does, Changing that, IE giving him denial, is enough to completely break him. He is already beyond busted with a denier like Theton, if he can already do the denying, what is stoping him? If he can PER, number 1 what is he going to PER and number 2 that would already push him over the edge and make him a centralizing threat

[mighty dagger]

Do you not utilize him well enough

I dont see a good reason from your explanation why he should be buffed

[signal lance]

^^

As someone who has a 150 Enki, let me tell you. I have, in my entire time playing this game, never had a team win from Start to Finish while in full Auto against actually built threats such as 150 Mater Geneza, Baba Basheer, AND Dumbane who are all running the best build with full on lvl 14 runes

[charred pagoda]

Screams skill issue

[torn apex]

thats insane

how about we get a better mythic mon to idk have ancestor hater????

[signal lance]

@vague hornet So kill an already dying archetype and make it so only the newer era mons are usable DA mons...

[vague hornet]

Not as like sp will actually revert Dodge area without any exchanges

[signal lance]

Even then that exchange is severe even by SP standards

You basically killed an Archetype that has lasted longer than even Pierce and made it so only the newest DA mons are usable

[vague hornet]

Archetype?

[signal lance]

A build of a team generally classified by common factors

Taunt + Double Dodge area (TDA for short) would be an Archetype

Denier + Trait Disable mon would be an Archetype

[vague hornet]

I bet the reason sp made these changes to get rid of a dying TDA team

instead of focusing on JJ and mater geneza

[signal lance]

TDA wasn't even oppressive its was Jestin Justice

This current DA change just needs some simple fine tuning such as changing the amount of charges from 2 to 5 and making it so Relics don't count towards the charges

[vague hornet]

with ofc a recharge so you can reactivate it

rn you can't reactivate it

[signal lance]

Most likely a bug

But back on topic, your idea just doesn't change what happened to DA

DA mons relied on Taunt because they where designed to be on the squishy side so despite having DA, without Taunt they are open to TD, denials, and high damage attacks that Taunt would have absorbed.

[vague hornet]

imma change then

forgot about Enkidu having TD extra turns

[signal lance]

@vague hornet I'm 90% sure SC area Evasion was the one thing SP was trying to kill

[vague hornet]

then SP killed all status casters

instead of only killing evasion SCs

[signal lance]

Thats because Protection SC is a VERY wide term

[vague hornet]

what about Immunity SCs?

Immune to control SC, Torture immunity SC

[signal lance]

Those fall under Protection SC

[vague hornet]

so only Taunt/Megataunt scs

Pretty sure they want those monster have their Megataunt activated at the start of the battle

[vocal notch]

How about just revert da and the status casters to how they were instead of all this fiddling with charges and all this bs. Both were perfectly fine, there was ZERO reason to change them.

If you want a balanced trait maybe dont release an abundance of monsters with said trait

Giving them these ideas to keep using this garbage "uses" system isnt good

The fact that they have to nerf a trait as an attempt to balance the meta because so many good/meta monsters have that trait is insanity

[wraith mountain]

@slim magnet how did they nerf DA now…

[slim magnet]

First they nerfed DA by having 2 uses then after 2 turn it comes back for 2 uses again, and now it only has 2 uses and it doesn't come back

[wraith mountain]

what the heck is wrong with them...

[vague hornet]

they probubly do that instead of reverting all changes expect for ressurection block

did sp revert something once?

I don't think so

[vocal notch]

They did once before

[vague hornet]

what did they do?

[vocal notch]

They removed caverns of ascension one time and tried replacing it with pvp chests. With enough negative feedback they brought it back, i dont remember how long after the change tho

[vague hornet]

the pvp chests thing took them a year to add that

[wispy spear]

@normal linden imagine monster legends sponsoring caseoh tho💀 imagine it had mega taunt trait and 100mil base life

[mighty dagger]

imagine wings of redemption or nikocado avacado

[vocal notch]

Wings of redemption the og

[mighty dagger]

the Caseoh before Caseoh

the opposite version of him

[vocal notch]

Its an evolution

First we had wings, then nick and now its caseoh

Caseoh is the ipad kids' wings of redemption

[thick thunder]

😭

[wispy spear]

and trait protection💀

[sleek root]

Why dont we write our feedbacks on google play store rating comments

I mean its much more useful because you give the rating and it gets lowered

Also Sp probably cannot ignore rating on google play store, so they most likely to read our feedbacks

[flint stone]

SP employees do read the feedback channel here.

We might have suggestions, but we can’t know what the future may hold, so can’t expect everything we send feedback on to be taken and actioned.

If you think so.

[sleek root]

There is not even a single proof

Even if they do I think its once in 5 years I think

[mighty dagger]

The only time they do read it is when one of them stopped watching paint dry and forgot to check the feedbacks and went “oh no i have to fix this” and do a little fix and goes back to watching paint dry

[flint stone]

No need to be rude.

[hollow gorge]

Remove the "are you still here" screen I have no clue if it's the new update but it's getting ridiculous now I sometimes get around 5-10 in a row that I have to individually do

[signal lance]

Its there for a reason

[cobalt horizon]

The repeated instances will be fixed soon

[scarlet vector]

it appears too much though

[thick thunder]

@karmic fable if people were able to craft ancestreals they would be way too easy to get

[scarlet vector]

literally everyone would be able to get one

[thick thunder]

yea

[slim magnet]

@obsidian karma the enkidu saga doesn't have cause its like fusioned with the new saga that is only 2 dungeon

[obsidian karma]

I said the enkidu coa

Tbf it did auto correct to cao so I understand confusion

[sleek root]

@signal lance i think its there to block autoclickers or autofarm exploits etc.

[signal lance]

I know?

[thick thunder]

thats against tos tho i think

[sleek root]

You know? Dam bro

[karmic fable]

Maybe change the percentage every time you summon
For example, now it's 3% for a egg, next one 4% and it keeps going
I got 1100 cells and I'm still trying to get Evaris, it's frustrating at this point

[lucid tulip]

Maybe we could utilise our extra monster cells for maxed out monsters. Maybe use them to boost a monsters stats a bit depending on how many cells for said monster you have left over. It would give older mythic monsters a chance to shine. Plus it would be cheap too since level 14 runes cost a fortune to craft.

Examples include: Pangoliath, king atum, K911, lumoona iwa, Skydkold ETC...

[charred pagoda]

Neat idea but that’d make many issues

[raw swan]

@hollow gorge I’m confused, you want to make JJ harder to awaken?

[hollow gorge]

No

He’s been made harder to awaken very recently and now becomes more anticipation bait because of it

[raw swan]

But it only requires one turn?

[hollow gorge]

U can’t receive the awakening conditions from boosting ally’s anymore

[raw swan]

WHATTTTT

Nah

SP actually is actually going insane

No

They’re already insane

[hollow gorge]

I do a double boost to all ally’s does 4

It’s cause of some guy in the reporting bug channel

[signal lance]

Fun fact, that's still a bug

JJ is supose to ONLY get charges from damage boosts applied to him NOT allies

Basically if you use an AOE double damage boosting buff, JJ is ONLY suppose to get 2 charges but a bug causes him to get 4, and previously 6

@scarlet vector so here is something to know. DA makes no sense but Anti makes even less sense, if you can disable Anti with just an ET spammer, you have won

[scarlet vector]

who cares. that gonna nerf mater

[signal lance]

Who cares? Literally every Anticipation mon would now be unviable because of a single ET attacker or even an ET support

[raw swan]

Thing is, same thing happened to DA and Evaris so it could balance things, but I do see how it would be devastating

[signal lance]

DA is not an equal comparison to Anti. Anti provides a guaranteed safety net against ET spammers who would dominate should they not be checked and making Anti a charge effect would basically make Enki + Krish + Atum an actual team that is near impossible to beat

DA needs a fix, but Anti is one thing you can't touch without having to consider every old ET spammer and every new ET spammer

[raw swan]

Just saying, taunt and 2 DA was almost impossible to beat without pierce

[signal lance]

Impossible? Far from it

You literally just bring Pierce or a TD mon and that team is now way too open to being attacked by hard hitters or memed on my ET spammers

[raw swan]

Well you get a Uriel with countdown and dumbane and mater, Dumbane easily takes those attacks, and aoe does nothing, Mater easily gives damage reduction and TDR, along with a ton of tortures (I’m saying before nerf)

[signal lance]

Except that team sucks

[raw swan]

Now it is

[raw swan]

Well, maybe not mater, but some form of evasion or attacker

[signal lance]

Even back then, Baba + Evaris + Dumbane wasn't a solid team, it was weak to Mater's RNG and could get their tank Brute forced by an Evaris

For ET spammers, you literally only have 3 options with one of them being questionable.

1. Anti
2. Relics that deal recoiled damage and apply a DOT.
3. Stam drain

[raw swan]

But you do have to acknowledge DA literally prevented all AOE attacks, which is what anti does with et moves, so how different are they? Sure anti can’t be pierced, but still

[signal lance]

Who cares? You are running at most 2 AOE's so you literally have 2 strong single target attacks that can break through their tank and many teams can't afford to run life on their tank other wise they get out speed and are open to more RNG shenanigans

[raw swan]

Stop saying who cares, it’s rude and it’s stupid to say in the first place, just makes you seem too immature to accept anything even with good points

[hallow knot]

anti doesnt prevent et attacks... thats shock XD

[signal lance]

You fundamentally can't compare DA to Anti because they do way too different things and check different mons with Anti checking the most dangerous mons, ET spammers. Remember TDA comps hate nothing more than fighting an ET spammer who can come in and spam their ET's and break through their tank and keep going to break through their squishy DA mons

[raw swan]

Anti makes it much easier to put up with, almost stopping them

[hallow knot]

and still you do the damage, da big different than anti ://

[signal lance]

^^

[hallow knot]

jestin would be awesomesauce if his final skill wasnt op :3

[signal lance]

People underestimate ET spammers but if you know what Volt, Charmless, or Rekka did during the legendary Era you would be begging for Anti

[hallow knot]

XD marquis be like

[raw swan]

I don’t actually? Don’t know why you would say that, as a beginner I would be decimated by them, but at this point, with 2-3 turns of anti, it’s usually enough to get them off the battle anyways

[signal lance]

2-3 isn't enough

[raw swan]

Tell DA that

[signal lance]

But for context, Voltiak single handedly brought Anti to existence

[raw swan]

Voltaik is so damn slow anyways, so if anything he’ll be knocked out before he can get a move off

[signal lance]

2-3 turns isn't enough to stop an ET assault, many ET comps require Anti getting 5-9 turns to actually stop them

[signal lance]

Until you remember the META Volt was in

[raw swan]

Ah we’re screaming now, okay, and no I didn’t partake in that META

[signal lance]

Volt had no counters. SP had to make Anticipation to counter Volt and even then, Volt was seeing use because that's how powerful ET mons are. You need Anticipation when an ET mon is available because that is the ONLY reliable way to stop them

[signal lance]

Not screaming? META is an acronym so if you count that as screaming you have some other problems

[hallow knot]

then pierce , later trample ... ;_;

[signal lance]

But in general the DA nerf was already a show, the last thing you need is to touch the very thing that keeps ET in check

[raw swan]

Since when? And don’t say I have problems, clearly you need to be nicer

Meta has never been called an acronym from the time I’ve played, so why not say that?

[signal lance]

META stands for Most Effective Tactic Available

[hollow gorge]

I just find it silly to change something that has been the exact same for months with so many ppl investing time gems and sometimes actual money for it to just be changed because o look we forgot to check how we wrote something and some has called it out

[hallow knot]

i thought it just meant metagame

[signal lance]

That as well

[hallow knot]

welcome to socialpoint ! :>

[signal lance]

But META is generally made to mean its the most effective tactic in the game currently available

[raw swan]

Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever heard meta used like that in any game I’ve ever played

[hallow knot]

but hacker run rampant always

[raw swan]

Anyways, this argument is pointless since SP could do whatever they want, so yeah, bye

[signal lance]

That aside, nerfing Anti is dumb in general, DA didn't need a change but could use more charges but Anti can't change without having to heavily nerf ET attackers

[raw swan]

Exactly DA didn’t need a change, no one likes it, who’s to say SP won’t mess with anti, we can’t control it anyways

[hollow gorge]

It annoys me because of the amount of teams that I run into with demonic pact that just kill me because they have millions of health that I can’t get through without pierce and o look here comes adventures essences to revive a whole team

[hallow knot]

it gave old monster better chance and longevity ... arggg make it a status caster rank 3

[hallow knot]

rez block buff remember :3

[signal lance]

You would be surprised to know, SP actually does read feedback so uninformed players making suggestions could ruin certain things

[raw swan]

And how would you know that?

[hollow gorge]

Yep but I don’t have anyone who has it with enough speed yet for me to use them

[raw swan]

Like no offense, but almost no one knows for sure

[signal lance]

Remember the relic fix yeah that was from us, more specifically tons of players sending them the bug directly

[raw swan]

Relic fix?

[hallow knot]

samesies ... uriel has it ye ? ^^'

[hollow gorge]

Also the amount of backlash for days about da changes and status casters did nothing

[signal lance]

Of you weren't here for that, basically Ancestors where bugged and got extra charges from relics
EX - Baba only needed to purge 3 buffs to awaken because Amulet would give him the other 3 charges

[raw swan]

Oh that, the instant awakens? You ruined my instant JJ? Wow

That’s just sad😭

He was so good🫠

[hallow knot]

insta jj so boringgggg

[signal lance]

Not me, the entire player base absolutely hated that bug for how it made Wars a complete gamble

[raw swan]

Deal with it, a lot of things are boring

[hollow gorge]

It was one of the ways to counter dumbane uriel countdown teams

[signal lance]

Well now hypocrite isn't that rude

[raw swan]

Like the meta right now is boring

[raw swan]

Huh?

[signal lance]

It wasn't

[hallow knot]

many things boring insta jj one of them

[raw swan]

Yeah, but it was a way for many to actually advance in this game

[signal lance]

If you think this META is bad, look at the META when Baba was released

[hollow gorge]

It could insta awaken jj and get directly through to stop kill everything twice after revival just to barley survive

[hallow knot]

but i dont think making jj insta win button is good... turn 1 pierce all trait disable positive effect removal megastun ?? no way jose

[signal lance]

Baba invalidated every mon and Team comp that applies 3 buffs to even one mon

[raw swan]

Cool

[signal lance]

That doesn't mean it's good

[raw swan]

Don’t spam

I can tell mods if you want

[hallow knot]

socialpoint captain hindsight
uriel was op and so kill da to kill him off

[signal lance]

Spam what?

[raw swan]

What the

Nah, there was like 4 of your messages

[hallow knot]

just you XD

[raw swan]

I know

Anyways

[vocal notch]

Imho the ideas channel should be restricted to only people that know what theyre talking about.

[raw swan]

Bye

[vocal notch]

Nerf anti? Yeah da got nerfed lets start nerfing the rest of the traits too

[signal lance]

Some times I agree, you genuinely need a good understanding of the game to know what needs changed and what needs to remain the same

[hallow knot]

nerfing da not the answer never was
making da an sc only thing not trait unless vry gimmick monster.. yes :v

of course go back change all trait ? to sc

no more problem

[vocal notch]

Some people should not be let to cook, simple as that

[signal lance]

A good example of this would be the nerf to SC which I am 90% sure came from new players complaining about Elvira + lvl 4 MT being "OP" and because of that change Enki + Denier is now unstoppable

[hallow knot]

elvira neobuki champion of world always

[vocal notch]

People were actually unironically complaining about elvira lvl 4 mt cheese?

[signal lance]

Yup

[vocal notch]

Bro...

[signal lance]

People genuinely couldn't fathom bring a single PER or Evasion removal mon

[vocal notch]

As if there arent tons of monsters out there with access to per to shut that strat down

[signal lance]

Welcome to new player world

Actually I'm 90% sure the SC and DA nerf came from New players

[vocal notch]

Ofc theyd listen to the new players

Cause they totally have any game sense

[hallow knot]

have been since 2018 XD

[vocal notch]

Well yeah but complaining about it nowadays is beyond stupid

Cause theres so many ways to counter that

Easily

But they dont wanna use their brains and instead cry to the devs

[signal lance]

The SC nerf specifically ruined MT which was designed to counter deniers

[hallow knot]

king atum king again :v

[signal lance]

Anyways, good chat and reasoning with you all, though I hope to God we don't have to watch Anti get nerfed and deal with ET spam

[vocal notch]

Anti or anything else for that matter

Have a good one

[hollow gorge]

He has such low health compared to everything new 😦

[charred pagoda]

All he needs to do is soak up scs and damage for a little bit

[signal lance]

^^

[charred pagoda]

If he survives then that’s a nice little bonus

[slim magnet]

@scarlet vector delete your feedback of #general-feedback

@hollow gorge we don't want to get a nerf of jj or mater, if you can't face that then it's just a skills issues

[spice breach]

Fr

[slim magnet]

Nadhcone surely have already 39563 missed call from sp, they will poach him for sure (if you read his last idea in #general-feedback)

[spice breach]

Hopefully he can save the game

[slim magnet]

Nah, look after what he write he can't, also the worse idea is the reason why sp want to poach him bruh lol

[signal lance]

JJ didn't even get nerfed. He is just getting fixed

His awaken is suppose to only count damage buffs applied to himself NOT damage buffs applied to allies so realistically Alby and Koari are suppose to only be able to give JJ 2 charges

[slim magnet]

Ik but I meant we don't want that one fix

[signal lance]

The Anti fix?

[charred pagoda]

yea

[signal lance]

Yeah, that idea is just plain dumb

[queen seal]

How come no one likes my feedback?

[brittle briar]

Because you put ur ego in it

[mighty dagger]

take my upvote that feedback is very intelligent and dumb

[queen seal]

Wdym am I not tho

[signal lance]

@slender pebble That JJ nerf isn't going to be limited to PvP and Wars, its everywhere

[slender pebble]

Ik... which is why I asked for it to be revised lol

[signal lance]

I don't really see why though

Also how to you even revise a change such as fixing the awaken bug? Answer: You can't. You can't just say increase JJ's awaken to 7 or 8 because that now ruins him in PvP and Wars while Colo and Bounty see no difference and considering that PvP and Wars are the most common area SP seems to focus a lot into, they are going to opt for the JJ fix because it just makes sense. 5 of the perfect number as it leaves a lot of holes in teams that need patching up but can be amazing when triggered... just not bug triggered

[brittle briar]

Also it’s literally better in bh when he doesn’t get the ult

The single target skill does more dmg lol

[urban dagger]

True

[raw swan]

@dense hatch I 100% agree, but it should also be hidden

[dense hatch]

Hey venom it’s me king from adyn’s monster killers

[lime ice]

@tired fossil asking for a ban of a player shouldn't be in feedback
If you have proof of someone hacking send it to support

[tired fossil]

hmm ok understood

[lime ice]

🍀

[tired fossil]

They've sent it several times to #bugs-reporting but still nothing, I don't even know if they do it on purpose or if they don't see the messages

[lime ice]

Bug reporting is not the same as support

[slim magnet]

@hollow gorge the odds of getting a egg from a summon is still same, its just called luck, and why are you complaining about 3% of get the egg, 3% is already too high (especially if we compare how we were getting the ancestors when it was griff-baba)

[vocal notch]

Skill issue frfr

[slim magnet]

@gilded forge 30-80 gems would be too much💀

[gilded forge]

Nah they are ancestor eggs after all

You only get one after like 2000

[vocal notch]

Why would u be spending tickets in the first place if u already have maxed ancestors

[gilded forge]

So what do you do lol just leave them so they turn into general ones ?

[vocal notch]

Why get them then

[digital shell]

The logical answer is to of course hoard extra robur cells and eggs

[hollow nova]

@scarlet vector i'm pretty sure bots technically do attack the fugi; or at least the fugi does lose a bit of health over time

but it'll never lose enough to 'steal' milestones

[scarlet vector]

it doesnt really seem like it

[hollow nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal notch]

@thick thunder giving a portion back of the materials used to rank it up sounds fair

[scarlet vector]

@wanton thicket they dont??

[thick thunder]

ye

[scarlet vector]

but what if u didnt use rank up resource? what if u used cells

for example if ur a bh grinder u can get like free glitcherine

[vocal notch]

What does bh grinding have to do with this? Were talking about selling the monster

[scarlet vector]

u can rank up for example octomancer. then youll get free glitcherend

if u sell that

[vocal notch]

a portion

[scarlet vector]

its still free

[vocal notch]

You spend glitcherine to rank him up
You sell him
You get a fraction of the resources u spent

Ur gaining nothing here

[scarlet vector]

u get octomancer cells through bh.

[vocal notch]

Itd be free resources yes, and it can be balanced by applying a small refund to it so it doesnt get too out of hand. Creates a way to get more resources considering how limited they currently are

[clear stump]

@gilded forge "upgrading" an idea doesn't guarantee its addition to the game
Higher-ups in SP decide what goes on, could be many factors ad to why something does or doesn't happen, such as Hatching guardian, people have been begging for it for years

[scarlet vector]

why cant hatching guardian exist??

[clear stump]

No clue

My biggest thought would be how it affects races and race tasks, making higher laps much cheaper by removing a big gem cost, could reduce sp profits?
On the other hand in 2022 they reduced the breeding and hatching times for almost everything non mythic

[mighty dagger]

many years later and people still want it

[scarlet vector]

who cares abt sp profits

[clear stump]

No profits, no company, no game

[scarlet vector]

they already earn enough

[clear stump]

If you stopped a company's revenue right now it would fold nearly instantly. From server hosting to paying the artists wages to hosting events internally, sp is a company that needs money and profits allow it to grow. If its breaking even that's not great and if its in the red then bye bye ML and maybe SP

[scarlet vector]

then why would a hatching guardian stop sp revenue

????

[clear stump]

"Could reduce" - less people buying gems to afford hatch skips for tasks like Hatch UC or Breed Ms, and less people putting money into offer wall partners etc

Also passively people participating in breeding events will have reduced hatch costs, same again less people sinking money in

[scarlet vector]

gems are free and it wouldnt be that much because they reduced breeding times.

[clear stump]

There are people who buy gems
And there are people who race to 85 laps or more, if you've ever raced that far you will know hatching unwanted mons is a cost that racks up fast

[scarlet vector]

oh

[clear stump]

SP reducing breeding and hatch times across the board is an insane QoL change that I am still happy about now

But if you allow hatchery now to be sped up by 80% that takes an epic from 33 hours originally to 1 hour 12min, or mythic from 50 hours to 9 hours... its an exaggeration but if it helps get the point

[scarlet vector]

an epic is not 33hrs btw

[clear stump]

It was before the breeding time reduction

Now legendary is 33 hours and epic is 6

[signal lance]

For context, a Senior developer is paid around 120k a year...

[clear stump]

Let me watch 100 videos for a free XIV rune that would be pog

[clear stump]

So not cheap LOL

[signal lance]

Yup, You can't expect a company to run comfortablt in whatevery Nadhcone was thinking without going under

@delicate pebble heads up, you are single handedly making lvl 14 runes an easy resource... which is not good

[vocal notch]

@delicate pebble Maybe not 1:1 scale with ur rune building but yeah, wouldnt be bad to get something better than a lvl 2

[signal lance]

Yeah, 1:1 scale is basically the same as "Give everyone 100 lvl 14 runes"

[delicate pebble]

[signal lance]

Dang, another Bring back Global idea

Thankfully that's one in SP's never add book

[mighty dagger]

@compact anvil for gods sake you’re in a discord server where #players-chat exists

srsly why do people still want that feature back

if you want to talk to randoms and then use players chat

or #recruit-members if you’re wanting people to join teams

there were other issues that made global chat infamous and a better decision to remove it

[slim magnet]

It was very toxic

[mighty dagger]

yeah and like other chatting systems probably edating as well

and i really doubt someone would be reported for being toxic in global chat because

well

its global chat

people gonna be sending messages 24/7

[slim magnet]

Discord chat better to me

[mighty dagger]

def

[signal lance]

I think the funniest part is that games that do keep Global have it so moderated and restricted that other players genuinely say "Just use discord, it will be easier"

[charred pagoda]

In dx2 we’ve found ways to circumvent the filter

Discord is basically a better team chat

[slim magnet]

@gilded forge it's not allowed to write same idea severals times

[charred pagoda]

@buoyant tangle it most likely is but you gotta remember that it might not be cuz of nautilus-1

[thick thunder]

whats nautilus

[mighty dagger]

him

[thick thunder]

oh

[charred pagoda]

He has an AoE metal weakness + extra turn skill

That works the same as dia’s skill

[signal lance]

Actually they have fixed every other one

Mephisto and Korruptus had this exact same issue and they fixed. I guess they kept Naut because its an Epic

[hollow nova]

chad nautilus

[scarlet vector]

@delicate pebble thats their problem because tickets shouldnt come for free

[delicate pebble]

[clear stump]

Instead of using #general-feedback to respond to messages there, you should be using this channel to respond👀

[digital shell]

U don't need to hit a treasure room for the tickets. I got to floor 3 earlier and got them

[urban dagger]

The league champ

[slender pebble]

Its better than no tickets like it used to be ya know

[wanton orbit]

I would like to hear the reasoning behind my suggestion being downvoted

Yes, it would be really annoying to the people who worked to get the ancestors, but I feel like it would be good in the long run

[scarlet vector]

idk people just dont like solutions that could balance the game

[clear stump]

Would devalue Ancestors after people have sunk time, gems, money into it and make those that have already been powercrept (think theton) much less valuable in the long run, especially those who rely on other Ancestors (again think theton) to maximise their proper potential

[wanton orbit]

I see

I just really don't like that mythics aren't that usable anymore

[signal lance]

That and it basically is useless since it affects such a small amount of mons

Attacker comps never ran double Ancestor and the only one that did run Double Ancestor to my memory is literally Gen + Baba/Evaris

[torn apex]

really???

[signal lance]

Yup

[torn apex]

I though jenjust did run double attackers

[signal lance]

Double or even Tripple Ancestor comps in PvP barely worked since a lot of Ancestors don't work together. You where not running Griffy + Theton and expecting to win because Griffy + K9 absolutely demolished that comp

[torn apex]

real

but anyways yeah

[signal lance]

In wars, it can work but many teams don't really like double Ancestors for the same reason, many just don't work together and can lead to very open ways to be beaten

[torn apex]

I don't know why i though oh Ancestor comps have double attackers

since ong OP!!!

well since thats out of the window when the next contest anyways @signal lance

or the fusion comps or make ur monster to get in game is it no longer a thing???

[signal lance]

No longer I think

[torn apex]

why???

[signal lance]

Idk, I'm just not really interested anymore

[torn apex]

don't they do this every year???

[signal lance]

I think they just stopped

[torn apex]

thats a shame...

[signal lance]

Maybe one day but I think after a lot of backlash and... well... the way things are going, they don't feel its a great idea to start another Design a Mon challenge

[torn apex]

okay so they don't listen to old people (the og or the players who know the game to well) feedback got it

[clear stump]

Last one was Learnatta during what, Alpine, then Nyla the Revenant, we are probably due one soon for birthday celebration

[signal lance]

I forgot that Learn was a Design a Mon

Side note: We gotta make an abriviation for Design a mon

[torn apex]

(imagine if the design a mon was good)

[torn apex]

I mean we'll see

[clear stump]

Can't remember who came between Tetsuman and Moonhaze if anyone

Both were designed by Karlo Teodorovich I'm sure

[charred pagoda]

Yea

I think the original winner in tetsu’s case had cheated or smth

[charred pagoda]

Dark er

[clear stump]

Thanks

[uneven tide]

We had to decide the skills of valgar irrc

[bold gorge]

terrible idea ngl just make it one ticket type bruh

can't even use em for what I want what sorta bull is this bro

[clear stump]

I don't think 6 Ancestors per era was a good idea to begin with tbh

[thick thunder]

yea

[hollow nova]

i don't think 6 ancestors per era was a good idea to begin with tbh

ftfy

[clear stump]

True..

[hollow gorge]

Why last week did we have doomsday monsters in the cave but now you've degraded back to a worse era that being metro

[vocal notch]

Is that a problem?

Last time we went from alpines to corrupteds

[scarlet vector]

💀

[vocal notch]

Also we havent had metros in cave yet

[urban dagger]

Hm hmm 🤔🤔🤔

[clear stump]

@tired fossil have they not fixed the Diabolus issue today?

[clear stump]

@vocal notch use this channel to respond to messages you see in #submit-ideas please

[wanton orbit]

@gilded forge I agree that 6 ancestors per era is way too many, but I think that 1 is way too few. I think the best would be 2 or 3, like they did before

[vocal notch]

They were doing just fine idk why they felt like punping out ancestors like this

This creates the possibility for the next ancestors to be rushed garbage monsters

Diabolus doesnt even get his own ancestral token challenge

And neither will the others that come every 2 months

[clear stump]

Yes he does lol
There is a separate conjuring with separate tickets

If you mean Ancestral Champions Challenge then yes that's not good

[spice breach]

As a f2p player I have that idea

[mighty dagger]

2 ancestors per era

[slender pebble]

As an f2p player I'm fine with having 6 ancestors in this era, but atleast they should still get ancestor dungeons and coa's lol at this point the 3 ancestor per era sounds better

It was more profitable in terms of gems aswell

[scarlet vector]

@karmic fable#monster-ideas ?

[vocal notch]

Yes thats what i meant. I just realized my poor wording about it

[tulip elm]

Most people will only get a few tokens anyways. This way people don't have to rush tokens to get the rewards. But still get new ancestors

[signal lance]

Dang, The Legendary And Epic League being dominated by a few mons doesn't sound fun

Epic would just be "Nautilus, The Game"

[clear stump]

Same goes for Legendary tbh
Half the leaderboards in Bronze colo are just Zen Thal Lazar

And infinite stamina points isn't good either when it's limited like that

It becomes less of skill and more who has the most time to devote to the game

@/g3tsi The issue with total pricing parity like that is it can totally eliminate some countries from being able to spend on the game due to economic situations, I wouldn't want to be in a country with a comparably "weaker" currency to USD or GBP but still be forced to pay the exact equal to those, when their prices could be my monthly income
Alternatively you can't have individual region pricing as not only will people abuse it but it has been abused in the past, ML has fallen victim to it and Pokémon GO was another recent example of a game where regional pricing was removed due to bad eggs
Not a nice conundrum is it

Speaking of I wonder what the prices are in those countries

[signal lance]

You didn't @ them

[clear stump]

Intentionally

[mighty dagger]

not surprised that the constant bad updates didnt make the others quit

whats the point of saying “last straw” or “i will quit” if sp does another bad update if they’re going to do it anyway?

[tulip elm]

People who actually quit are like 0.1% rest just says it. But they will keep playing and spending.

[lime ice]

Yup ML is filled with players that say they are quitting and never do 😅

[clear stump]

I don't like people who do this "day 1 of asking for" stuff, they don't do something just because you repeatedly ask for it every day

[cobalt horizon]

I they move to day 2, it will be deleted.

[clear stump]

@rain charm use this channel to respond to messages you see in #submit-ideas please

[rain charm]

Understandable. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.

[cobalt horizon]

General summons for gold would be very broken.

[signal lance]

100%, We make like 50-60M every what, 6 hours? Maybe more

[cobalt horizon]

I make 116m/hr, which would be the highest. So must be many around that level.

[signal lance]

We would be drowining in monster cells

[cobalt horizon]

@ebon lake this is known and will be fixed with an update.

Would have be more suited for #bugs-reporting

[scarlet vector]

friendly battles dont work with some accs too.

[cobalt horizon]

They posted about removing friends from your list.

It might be connected.

[scarlet vector]

@thick thunder theres no really any point of that

theres like 3 mythics that are special

[thick thunder]

for colo

[scarlet vector]

only colo. not really usable anywhere else

[clear stump]

Superfume, Exothermic, Shieldbolt, Cakelius, Cthulhu, who else.

[digital shell]

Wave

[hollow vortex]

pandatone

[clear stump]

And that's all of them

I suppose it would be cool if Special wasn't on every single Legendary and on very few Mythics

[signal lance]

Thats kinda the issue. The targets it hits are either so squishy they die to anything or aren't used at all

[scarlet vector]

yep, itll be nearly useless in battle is what i was saying in the first place

[charred pagoda]

Special protection would be better

[scarlet vector]

@queen seal the game isnt just abt you. think abt other ppl 💀

[vocal notch]

Cant u see hes trolling?

[scarlet vector]

in case he damn isnt

[misty oriole]

@wintry dock there are still ancestor caverns of ascension?

[wintry dock]

Not for the historic era

Which just pisses me off

[misty oriole]

oh, yeah, that makes sense

[queen seal]

Shut up I need to spend tons of money.

Why did my thing get deleted?

[scarlet vector]

because its dumb as hell

[queen seal]

If your broke just say that

[raw swan]

you’re*

[scarlet vector]

no if u only care abt urself just say that

[thick thunder]

what did it say?

[scarlet vector]

make fks money because patrick wants to spend more money. in other cases he wants to make f2ps suffer

[vocal notch]

I mean he can just buy the fk already

Idk why he felt like making the suggestion

U can buy the fk with money and bh coins

[cobalt horizon]

Repeating because you have already posted the same feedback previously.

[scarlet vector]

yes but what he said was to make it so that its only obtainable by money

[tulip elm]

@misty oriole I would pay for an auto dungeon option unill you die! Takes so much time lol

[scarlet vector]

@normal tiger u being sarcastic?

[torn apex]

I can't wait for @signal lance to that one thats for sure...

look yeah I know you want social point to hear us out but its not happening until its to late so errm!!!

[signal lance]

Wdym?

I agree with Micah, Communication is 100% needed in any game as being able to get player feedback and their POV can often be the fine line

[torn apex]

yeah and I really really doubt sp will look at that

its kinda sad ngl

they keep blowing their chance to try to make the game better???

[signal lance]

It 100% is and I understand there are somethings that you can't take player feedback on but a lot of issues I have found in ML can literally be dated to not listening

[torn apex]

IKR

like the only thing they will listen to is the newer people and even then that a slim chance

[signal lance]

This goes back to how I am 90% sure the changes to DA and SC's is from newer players

[torn apex]

yeah

the higher ups at sp needs to like do something about this last time I told the devs about this they said they talk with the team

but like they make bad choices???

[signal lance]

Issue is, its not even SP

Its Take-Two as they own SP so they need to see good profit

[torn apex]

so like the devs can't do anything???

even with our protest???

I talk to sam the dev about it

[signal lance]

Unless Take-Two agrees, sadly yes

[torn apex]

yeah this game is doomed to die

@signal lance found it

so like no matter the feedback the ones who work on this game can't do anything???

like I ask the dev before hand and how the team will work on it for future updates yet the changes are bad choices

idk what to do anymore IF take two is the upper team or if said team has some rule to do or not do yeah we are cooked

[signal lance]

I'm not an SP Dev so I can't say anything for certain but knowing some companies like Microsoft, I won't be surprised if SP showed a bunch of good ideas but Take-Two picked the ones that would get them more money

[tulip elm]

Feedback doesn't mean they will change things just because you want them to 😅

[clear stump]

@gilded forge use this channel to respond to messages you see in #submit-ideas please

[gilded forge]

Okay 👌

[cobalt horizon]

@silk roost that is more like feedback, not an idea, but would need an actual explanation as to why you think this.

[rain charm]

@karmic fable daily missions already gives out 4 gems so don't know where you got 1 gem bit from..

[signal lance]

Thats on you then

If you can't even spare 5 minutes to complete a daily then you only have youself to blame for having 1 gem

[vocal notch]

@normal shadow thats something u gotta ask bluestacks for. Sp has nothing to do with emulators

[scarlet vector]

@wintry dock can you say which monsters ur having a problem with

i soloed it with a r2 diabolous. Its really ez

and that doesnt really belong in submit ideas.

[wintry dock]

Nerfing request do belong in it

Really depends but nerf can help a lot of people