ideas-feedback-discussion

[rain wharf]

and

Give me an example how a seasonal rotation can mess up the beta test

[dark iris]

Exactly, they won't get scattered data if they can gather it all at once

[rain wharf]

So ur saying the data is gonna be different if it changes ?

[dark iris]

If we already know fixing bugs is a slow process, how fast do you think they check about changes?

[dark iris]

Not different, just a larger quantity

[rain wharf]

What 💀

[dark iris]

What is 💀?

[rain wharf]

I’m assuming English isn’t ur first language

Or I’m just dumb

[dark iris]

Why not, I speak 3 different languages
But emoji isn't one of them

Use your words instead

[rain wharf]

Don’t understand the sentence “how fast do you think they check about changes”

[rain wharf]

It’s basically slang for I’m dead

like xd

[dark iris]

Is about the amount of time they take to read and analyze the data, do you know an estimate time?

[rain wharf]

no I don’t know an estimate time

[dark iris]

Last time I checked how fast questions were still valid.
Are you an engrish speaker?

The thing is SP changes the game on a very slow basis.
There's not enough personal to keep it up and running efficiently. The larger the game gets the more we will see bugs and glitches

That's why we aren't getting 2 new monsters per week anymore, that's why beta testing is a thing now.
Sooner or later SP will just say: enough and will be game over

[rain wharf]

ok

So what do I do about my idea

@dark iris

[dark iris]

It's not bad but makes things slower than they already are.
I hope they could make smaller changes instead but those usually wouldn't require testing 😞

[hollow nova]

does this MKW person do anything other than react to #general-feedback with ‘ 🤣 ’

lol

[dark iris]

search results: 0

Negative, it literally doesn't do anything else

[tribal ravine]

Lol

Probably is a Ceo-bot idk

[dark iris]

??

[tribal ravine]

Wait, the Testsubject is a Furry bot or normal person? (i know a furry isn't normal but, you understand me, right?)

[kind cape]

[tribal ravine]

Is funny because el solo usa esa reacción y don't do anything else, da yo.

[dark iris]

[tribal ravine]

You can hablar tres idiomas, right?

I mean, español es un idioma que you need to know

[dark iris]

I'm skipping the cringe part and go directly to block you
I don't have time for this tonight

[tribal ravine]

Can I count this as a speedrun?

[clear stump]

[lean kelp]

Bruh when was the slowmode set to 6 hours

I can't write multiple essays in a row now

[clear stump]

@lean kelp out of curiosity how did you format your message like that?

[lean kelp]

With the bullet points

?

[clear stump]

Yeye

[lean kelp]

Using - before a paragraph

[clear stump]

Gotcha. That's useful big-time

Ty

does this work

Oh it DOES lmao

[slim sedge]

zamn

[hollow nova]

how to big text

[lean kelp]

Using # before message

like this

[clear stump]

No more.

[charred pagoda]

Didn’t work when I tried

[slim sedge]

let's see

ah

still, if isa says no more then no more

[slim sedge]

@jolly oxide that's your third time trying to do something isa said no more of

[clear stump]

🤦‍♀️

[grave urchin]

yesterday i had rusd today i have caverns

damn stamina cost on caverns

smart choice

not only it takes way more time now to finish the resource gathering in general, it requires stamina too smh

[lime ice]

@halcyon hollow. You laugh a lot but never post anything

[mighty dagger]

whats more is that MKW never send a message here

like really theres not a single message from them

[lime ice]

Thats what i mean 🤣

[mighty dagger]

I thought you meant like response to this channel and feedback

[clear stump]

@stiff bison why?

Also wait for ML Anniversary, less than a month away

[gilded eagle]

fr why 💀

[mighty dagger]

@stiff bison Bruh

Ah yes players should get 100 just because they played long enough

Whats next we get free ancestors because we quitted the game after 2 years

[gilded eagle]

😹

[lime ice]

Wt....is @stiff bison

[karmic fable]

100 gems after 5 years is so much worth😂

[clear stump]

I'm gonna get me some ez 90 gems next month.

[karmic fable]

90 gems ? Too much

[stiff bison]

Why my message has been deleted

[karmic fable]

Cause it was a good idea

[stiff bison]

😂😂

I didn't elreceive it😂

I thought they will give it in.the new update cause it was a good ideoa😎

[heady ivy]

Hold up

What happened to the feedback bot?

[lean kelp]

it died ages ago

thats why noone uses the command and just sends feedback themselves

[mighty dagger]

I like how this already became a controversial and hated feature

[lean kelp]

it was hated before it was even officially announced

[clear stump]

@karmic fable wheres the idea

[karmic fable]

I forgot to say that they should buff rewards for pvp or for the chests

Thanks for reminding

Done idk if I forgot something so uy

[kind cape]

Honestly not like it'll matter, sp will just ignore us like they usually do

[karmic fable]

Fr like idk some people fr think this era is good

It's the worst era

[lean kelp]

@warped hazel everyone now has the 14 day passes

[clear stump]

@jaunty rampart remove the swearing from your feedback please or you will be muted. #general-feedback

[clear stump]

@jaunty rampart contact me when the swearing is gone thanks.

[karmic fable]

XD

Let me guess it was about the runes

[warped hazel]

One of my players wrote, in the team chat, that he did not have the 14 day pass. I assumed I was part of the test group.

[lean kelp]

Oh

He must've read wrong or hasn't updated

[warped hazel]

Possible. Thanks for the clarification.

[dark iris]

There's no beta testing in ML
Just arbitrary groups with different features because game support must be hella bored all day

[solid mason]

Nnemesis feedback is spot on. Sorry to say.

[kind cape]

Believe me i have so much more to say, it's just not worth my time cuz nobody does anything with the feedback at sp HQ

And i could've gone way more into detail on some things

[stiff bison]

Single player race

Vote

[signal lance]

This isn't dragon city @stiff bison

[dark iris]

It's like copy pasting stuff from a different game
Just play both

[gilded eagle]

who let bro cook

[karmic fable]

Devs not even play the game I think too so yy and admins 100% don't check the submit ideas and general feedbacks they give 0 repsect

Respect*

[wooden thunder]

true!!!!

then again CM dosen't do anything most of the time lol!!!

[karmic fable]

Do they even exist XD

I think they are for the news only

News about the game

[karmic fable]

No

[cobalt horizon]

Grand duels always start 1 week after a new era begins

@sour schooner

[sour schooner]

Well, then there should be a news about that 🙃

Sorry, just can't trust SP anymore with their stupid tests

[karmic fable]

@sour schooner is right after so many years of trying to get x runes especially for f2p players

Now xiv runes

What kind of joke is that we are not gods

I don't even have 10 x runes

[sour schooner]

The thing is... I was just about to get an SX rune after equipping all my meta monsters with X runes and voila! All my effort goes to waste

[karmic fable]

The bad thing you know what is

That only mods read the feedbacks

Devs,admins and CV idk how's that called they don't even care

[sour schooner]

I literally just got enough "spare" X runes to get an SX . But what is the benefit if people with XI or above are gonna be having stronger monsters than SX rune wielders?

[sour schooner]

Yep. They don't

[karmic fable]

Like I said the didn't even make a change on rune difficulties or chances

[karmic fable]

Maybe I will send that to sp too so maybe a person can read it

Like that's rediculo

[sour schooner]

💯

[karmic fable]

The idea of the person that got it was good

I ahte the difficulty

No buff books

Buff rune books I mean

No better chances for runes

No better pvp rewards

They have to pay a bit respect on us not only us to them

Prince what's your whole opinion

About that

[sour schooner]

Hmm.... Well, I do favour equality but the thing is... some books contain exclusive monsters and so, there rewards need to be "slightly" higher than the other books.

Now, again, "slightly" is the keyword there. No ridiculously unfair distribution of rewards please.

[karmic fable]

Yy like give us x-xi runes

[grave urchin]

Kali bro what u smoking

[karmic fable]

Better that xi-xig runes

Xiv*

[clear stump]

@idle reef I have to ask, have you accounted for the Rune Experience discount? It's very unlikely someone goes through that crafting method but even then you can chop it down surely.

[karmic fable]

@kind cape what's your feedback gonna be about now?

Runes again?

[kind cape]

Nah, the p2w aspect of ml in general

Not really detailed

I think

Just gotta wait 1 hour and 40 mins

[karmic fable]

Cool let's see then

[idle reef]

That is not accounting for discounts, taking the mutant path efficiency, or getting other runes along the way. It's meant to show the impossible scale of the absolute time cost (>300yrs w/o sleep for 1x lvl 14). Chests definitely help, yes, as does being lucky on the rolls.

[lean kelp]

@ripe bone the 2nd pass is 10$

[ripe bone]

I had assumed that but my message from support definitely says "two different passes will be released in week 3 and 4". Maybe it's a typo 🤷‍♀️

[tender zinc]

@kind cape When did they officially say there in a decline I’d like to read this announcement or article maybe they finally get the memo? Sorry for ping

[kind cape]

Could you specify what you mean? cuz idk what you're referring to

[tender zinc]

What’s in the picture didn’t you say sp said players are quitting?

[kind cape]

Players count has been reducing since mythics were released, I'm seeing a lot of people around me quitting and from others i hear the same as well

With unwanted and unnecessary changes like this it'll make more people want to quit since we basically have a full reset with runes just like we had when mythics came out

[tender zinc]

Oh… I thought sp officially said something about how player count is dropping to much
I was thinking maybe they finally noticed we may not be liking there recent changes

[kind cape]

No but there's certain app and sites which show a decrease in active players, this can also be seen in the amount of elite teams there are left atm. There used to be a lot more during cosmic era and now we only have 4-5 left

[tender zinc]

Aight

[lean kelp]

Since the last team wars campaign 8 top 100 teams disbanded

[kind cape]

Ye, sad to see

[karmic fable]

@kind cape bro sorry to interrupt with little words what exactly did you said

About the p2w and how many players are quiting right nowM

?*

Oh you were talking about all generations

I think you are right I haven't played all generations so idk but I think the beginning eras and legendary era those one's were the best

Guys if you read my feedback let me know

[karmic fable]

@wispy spear your idea is ok but 2x the rewards this never gonna happen☠️

[wispy spear]

i know

[karmic fable]

They don't want us get r5 monsters easy

[wispy spear]

but i pray for it to happen

[karmic fable]

Same

[fresh ore]

Very unfunny how they made 6hr cooldown on feedback channel

I have time I suppose

[dark iris]

It has been like that for ages

[lean kelp]

It used to be 10 minutes

[karmic fable]

@fresh ore I have to agree really much for the things that you said especially for devs

They don't speak with the community they do nothing I thing too they only things I have heard them says make sure you have the latest update

They don't read feedback like (lol)

[dark iris]

They extended it because the massive backslash?
Are they trying to make us wait and maybe forget?

[karmic fable]

That's hard to forget to give feedback about xiv runes lol

[hybrid rivet]

What’s the point in giving feedback when they don’t even read or listen to its players, are they purposely trying to kill their game.., is it because so many people are leaving they are putting their prices up, maybe SP just don’t care

[karmic fable]

Idk to be honest

[fresh ore]

STILL not done so see you in 6hrs

[karmic fable]

You want to write a book on how bad this game is?

[fresh ore]

A book wouldn't be able to cover half of it

[kind cape]

Make a movie about it

[cerulean shard]

Why do people disagree with @timber vortex? on the rusd change?

[clear stump]

"Old rusd" could mean Galactic + Unified Mythic rusd which could be a lot worse now as no abyssal or alpine rankup

[cerulean shard]

Oh right I forgot about that one

[solid mason]

They wont do it, dont you fret. Whats that animal that cant go backwards? Oh yeah, sp.

[grave urchin]

hence they should add those 2 and not have changed the other rusds

i mean its not terrible coa but like ranking rly does restrict my resource income and lets not start on the stamina...

[karmic fable]

Why do you complain there's no pnt

SP doesn't care for us lol

So no worth writing whole letters

They added coa with bad rewards cause the rewards are the only problem we can manage a bit about stamina

And after and even worse they added xi+ runes

[heady ivy]

I thought the bot was broken

[foggy summit]

everyone just stopped using it that’s all

[grave urchin]

idek how to use it

all i want is x runes to be unable to downgrade and if they cant give us that then they should make runes match the new XIV runes so marathon race rune ancient chest shouldnt give X rune but XIV and change the runes in team shop

[dark iris]

It wasn't, people just don't know the command changed long ago

[dark iris]

Check pins 📌

[grave urchin]

couldnt find it but i wont use it anyway

[solid mason]

When feedback discussion is dying... because all has been said millions of time and only the wind listens. Sad. SP and CM, where are you.

[karmic fable]

Sleeping maybe

[slim sedge]

doesn't matter where the community managers are cause they have no power at SP

[rain wharf]

Community managers exist?

[slim sedge]

they post the things in #announcements

[rain wharf]

Oh so just slaves of the devs

Got it

They don’t actually manage any community

[slim sedge]

no their whole purpose is to deal with the community

[gilded eagle]

when have they ever

[flint stone]

Suggest you end this style chat now.

[karmic fable]

I agree a lot with kobs feedback

[solid mason]

MrSheikh is not bad either

[karmic fable]

Haven't read that

[solid mason]

You should. I enjoyed both tbh

[karmic fable]

Let me read that:)

He's right

I like he's feedback

[lime ice]

No they are not slaves of the devs
Nor the devs nor the cm's are in charge
Shareholders are

[rain wharf]

That’s what I’m sayin

[rain wharf]

Figured as much but who’s actually investing in a dying company like sp in the first place

[gilded eagle]

😹

[cobalt horizon]

@karmic fable see #bugs-reporting

[karmic fable]

I did, thanks

[vernal prairie]

race monsters started to be useless since after blossom, everything afterwards seemed like something equal to a free pass monster..

[kind cape]

@sour schooner they've added elementals and the other books to war restrictions recently so

[sour schooner]

Still, the main ones being used are the ones we add before

[kind cape]

I get your point but the feedback is kinda useless since all books except faction books are in wars now

[lime ice]

When i was still mod on forum 6 years back, people said ml/sp was dying
Its still here

[dark iris]

It's still dying, just slower

[rain wharf]

It’s dying way faster now

[grave urchin]

still here dying...

few more updates like the 14 runes and CoA and see where the game ends

[lime ice]

You're funny

[grave urchin]

[karmic fable]

[karmic fable]

I think the game is not dying just the grinding and everything is dying

[rain wharf]

So basically the game is dying

[karmic fable]

Idk but to be honest think so

I stopped doing coa too

I don't do that much

What's the pnt of it

[rain wharf]

it’s obvious the devs are tryna squeeze out as much money as they can before it dies fully

[rain wharf]

I stopped doing everything

[karmic fable]

Devs don't work too I think lol

[rain wharf]

All I’m doing is collecting gold and upgrading

[karmic fable]

That's good to be honest

[karmic fable]

Great nj

[rain wharf]

That’s why the only updates ppl are getting are low effort ways to make the game 10x harder

Progressing was 5x easier just 3 months ago

[karmic fable]

I really wanna get this answer

Why sp doesn't buff rune rewards

And chances from chests

Like do they play the game

The idea was good for xi-xiv

[rain wharf]

The only reason they added new runes is so ppl get a reason to get on and grind more

But it’s working the complete opposite

[karmic fable]

But with no buffs and chances more it's absolutely bad

Idk we will see when xiv offers will come out

[rain wharf]

XIV runes put the last nail in the coffin for me

with caverns and everything else goin on progressing was already hard as it is

Then they added more runes and bh nerf

[karmic fable]

Caverns idk I don't like them either hate them

[rain wharf]

• the mod to a forum of a game collecting monsters

[karmic fable]

The only think that maybe I will grind is colo

[rain wharf]

not even

[karmic fable]

It's a bit fun

[rain wharf]

There’s no more reason for me to get new monsters since I won’t rank them up anyway

It’s repetitive

[karmic fable]

True

Idk to be honest

[rain wharf]

it’s simple rly

[karmic fable]

Let's see how the update will go in the future

[rain wharf]

Collo nerf for sure

[karmic fable]

For now it goes bad

[rain wharf]

nah fr

[karmic fable]

No💀 pls

[rain wharf]

collo is hella op

[karmic fable]

They nerfed bh not that too pls

[rain wharf]

And it’s the only fun thing rn

They gotta cut that out

[karmic fable]

True

[rain wharf]

Mari writing a essay

[karmic fable]

I grind and after my grind idc💀

[rain wharf]

[karmic fable]

Lol

[rain wharf]

My Timbers Shivered

[karmic fable]

Lol

[rain wharf]

This one will get em real good!

[lime ice]

Before discord there waa a forum
I was asked to moderate there by the former CM
I also was mod here for a long time and enjoyed it very much

[karmic fable]

Does cm do something lol

[rain wharf]

[rain wharf]

Yea but they don’t manage the community

Apparently they just post on #announcements

[karmic fable]

Sadly

Chill leaks lol

💀

[rain wharf]

💀

If they rebuff bh and that’s a hard if ima get back to the game

[karmic fable]

They will not

[rain wharf]

No point then

The only reason I was even playing was to upgrade my bh team but now there’s no point

[karmic fable]

True 50 gems on fugi kill

😂

[rain wharf]

Nasty

And 25 each find

[karmic fable]

Lollllll

Too many gems

[slim magnet]

Also fugitive are worse and worse

[vernal prairie]

To all those complaining that sp didn't change live duel reward, take a look again they removed keys

[slim sedge]

[kind cape]

Well they specifically said improve but i don't see the improvement tbh

[vernal prairie]

Ah wait my bad this I grand duel

But it's the same reward as before..

[kind cape]

The fact that we're getting blossom chests still after 2 eras is disappointing

[cobalt horizon]

Mechanical hater does affect Hidden Project.

[slim sedge]

does it?

[kind cape]

No, fugitives aren't in any books so the hater would not work, same was for matarragon. In both the artifact bounty hunts kenecro and the fugitive killer did pretty similar damage implying that only the fugitive hater was giving a boost

Only reason meleenaut and mouserk could do more was because of the elemental advantage

[cobalt horizon]

It does affect it, the fugitives are included.

The hater works against books + fugitive and the numbers agree.

You need to use a proper damage calculator; comparing against what other do doesn't prove anything.

[slim sedge]

is there even a ml damage calculator

[cobalt horizon]

Yes

[slim sedge]

where

[cobalt horizon]

I'll see if any are still on websites. I've my own one, during infinite gauntlet days was essential.

[lean kelp]

Are you sure you're not using Artifact Hater

[cobalt horizon]

Yes, completely sure

[charred pagoda]

Are the book haters based off of the monster they’re basing their appearance off of

[slim sedge]

apparently fugitives have no books

but according to mama they do?

[cobalt horizon]

They aren't in books you see, because you can't collect them. But are included for the appropriate hater, and as I said the damage obtain supports this.

[charred pagoda]

Weird

[dark iris]

Is it only for the fugitive hater when BH is active? Or can you use monsters from past BH again?
(In case fugitives return)

[slim sedge]

only for the current bh

[lean kelp]

Must've been added recently then, because it never worked for Matarragon's Dragon Hater or Mouserk's Mech Hater

[charred pagoda]

Weird

[idle reef]

re: female hater buff
I mean, they do have their own book, so it only makes sense to have a female hater buff. Especially when a disproportionate ratio of the broken monsters are female.🧐

[kind cape]

Must've been a recent change cuz i don't remember people with meleenaut doing more without using ignecia

[signal lance]

You know there is a reason why SP has never done this

[lime ice]

Yeah female hater cant be acceptable

[karmic fable]

Why not

[signal lance]

It's the possible stigma that comes from adding it

[lime ice]

How old are you to ask that question?

Its political incorrect

[karmic fable]

17,5

[signal lance]

If you are really curious as to why it's because of how touchy the subject can be to people and how it has impacted the political party. By adding a female hater it could imply that SP hates women and can really be a negative impact to not only the game but the entire company

This isn't the same as Mechanical hater or Abomination Hater as it's fair to imply that it means the monster just adamantly hates these things and wants to destroy them, whether for nefarious reasons or not, but when it comes to female hater the idea becomes nothing but negative as there is no way to justify why a mon hates female mons in the first place

[karmic fable]

I am not curious I am just chilling and chatting

But imma read it now

[heady ivy]

A female hater can be acceptable if a male hater exists
That way it wouldn't seem like the company is biased towards a gender

[lean kelp]

Why do either need to exist

[heady ivy]

Perhaps for the sake of gameplay variety

Or perhaps because the idea is just funny

[karmic fable]

True true

[karmic fable]

[karmic fable]

Female hater would be sp begging to be cancelled

But that raises the question

Which monster would be the sexist enough to have that effect

Or another solution

Add a “forces to be feared” book and throw every meta monster there

And add a hater for that book

ez

[karmic fable]

Xiv runes are being begging to be removed haven't seen any update

[cobalt horizon]

@teal tree please post only proper ideas.

[signal lance]

@dense sundial SP has no control over the task that comes from monsterwood

[solid mason]

Well, they do have a contract with their supplier of ads/tasks, so saying they have no control is a stretch. Whether they care about what ads or tasks come through is another question. But they can and should check and negotiate contracts that match what they want their users experience to be. Not saying they dont. Just pointing out.

[cobalt horizon]

@uncut talon please post your own feedback, if you wish to. Comments on feedback belong in this channel.

[uncut talon]

@cobalt horizon it was my own feedback. Apparently I can't have a similar opinion as others? Pretty sad that so many people criticize the same topics that my feedback doesn't even count anymore.

[cobalt horizon]

You reply to another post saying 'this'.

[uncut talon]

I agreed with then and added my own feedback too.

It can't be original if it's all the same problems which don't get fixed.

[cobalt horizon]

You didn't actually write what any problem was.

[uncut talon]

The f2p experience as a whole is terrible.

If you want me to go into every detail I might aswell write a novel.

Like I said, feedback can only be so diverse if it's always the same problems.

[cobalt horizon]

How much you post is up to you, but some detail is needed.

[uncut talon]

Biggest issue I mentioned is and always has been the devs not caring, and you should, as Samo suggested, take feedback into account instead of deleting it.

With that said, screw this game, not worth my time anymore.

[cobalt horizon]

Feedback is only removed if it beaks the rules.

It was responding to another post saying they agreed, not posting their own feedback.

They need to write their own post. Not reply to another and say 'this'

They broke a rule, informed them so they could repost. That is not silencing opinions.

That makes no sense.

Still makes no sense.. I suggest you read the channel description

Yes

[karmic fable]

@sleek root that´s called torture immunity

[sleek root]

pain

[sour schooner]

@jade marsh Hahah thanks! 😛 I've done nothing to be proud of but sometimes I like to tease SP a lil bit

[cobalt horizon]

Please edit it.

[jade marsh]

🤣

[jade marsh]

i got that quote in my clipboard

dw it wont be in vain

thats my new motto

[sour schooner]

🤪

[solid mason]

@sacred walrus It was a good feedback. I had complaints from paying team members about this. They complained in the past for other stuff, wont anymore, someone replying it is a test or rebalancing the game, and happy gaming! They are fed up. I am not sure what is happening all around. Thanks for your feedback though.

[lime ice]

I love that text 😇😂

[jolly oxide]

@fathom sleet they can’t because then people could get infinite tokens

[jolly oxide]

@karmic fable they are not random they are good because I don’t do tails and are hard to get monsters therefore

[mighty dagger]

@karmic fable Poor idea to buff bh shop if im being honest

if it contains bad monsters, well you just deal with it for what you’re getting over expectations of the bh shop being full of really good monsters

also books and era sagas in case they’re needed for a saga dungeon

[karmic fable]

yeah you're right actually my bad

[solid mason]

Hi guys, something weird in feedback channel. For me anyway. How to call a mod? I reported it and blocked it.

[karmic fable]

Wierd new Feedback

"""""""Feedback""""""""

[solid mason]

😅

[slim sedge]

@flint stone werted feedback

[cobalt horizon]

You can ping moderators for such things.

Helen is busy.

I was pinged in another channel, all sorted.

[solid mason]

I dont know their names, tried mod, didnt work lol. Glad you came in

[cobalt horizon]

It's @ Moderators

[solid mason]

Oups, thx

And thx for fixing it

[mighty dagger]

scam link?

[karmic fable]

It was NSFW and prob scam aswell

[slim sedge]

yeah

[karmic fable]

would it be a good feature to be able to convert mythic cells for f2p players since rusd got nerfed? for example 2 Corallia = 1 NorthBerry, 3 Astronite = 1 NorthBerry, 2 Ambrosia = 1 Nectar etc

[fathom sleet]

That’s not a bad thing if they increased the needed tokens

To get the rewards from the tokens I mean

[shy minnow]

This is a very small thing I recommend, but u know that “…” u see when people are typing, I think they should add that to team chat

[heady ivy]

Stop the double standards in the game and make it even for all players. The only thing it's testing is the patience of some of the players.

Message #general-feedback

Care to explain why you think so?

[grave urchin]

no more stamina requirement in CoA, about time

[dark iris]

@karmic dagger PvP works on thropies quantity, not monsters levels

[karmic dagger]

Ik, but it's still awful

[cobalt horizon]

@cold condor use this channel to discuss feedback, thank you.

[cold condor]

Ok..? Did I do something wrong?

Sorry if i did

[cobalt horizon]

No, you were just asking a question about a feedback post, but was using feedback channel.

[lean kelp]

Why are people downvoting Kyrem's feedback 💀

[slim sedge]

'people' you mean @karmic dagger and @queen seal

[queen seal]

Because I am him

[karmic dagger]

Because I can't read apparently

[lime ice]

I see feedback is getting a reaction channel again, people cant read a discription i guess

[grave urchin]

people are just showing if they agree/disagree

[dark iris]

@karmic dagger you are asking for something we already have
All breedable monsters have a couple of hearts on the corner

If you don't see them that means they are not breedable

[grave urchin]

^

[karmic dagger]

I meant like on this menu, for example, when you open the breeding combination. Like being able to see if the monster in the combo are breedable from here.

[dark iris]

That's redundant, monstagram already have all the details

[jolly oxide]

Some people that are good at bounty hunt could complete it in a day while others don’t get a single one

[buoyant basin]

I see you are still here 😅😅

[lime ice]

Ml will always be important to me 💚

[buoyant basin]

No I mean in this channel 😅😅(sorry for off topic chat)

[lime ice]

😂

I do that a lot myself these days, still waiting forcthat first mute

[cobalt horizon]

@karmic fable you need to contact task provider, this isn't feedback for ML.

[karmic fable]

Okay

But where can I contact a task provider

[cobalt horizon]

There will be an option to do so within the task section.

[mighty dagger]

that idea is just dumb

[slim magnet]

Which one?

[mighty dagger]

the vc idea

[slim magnet]

Oh lol

[karmic fable]

The VC would end up way worse than global

[lime ice]

@solid sparrow you are lucky i no longer mod here

[slim sedge]

[teal tree]

@sleek prawn you do know gem dungeons are available 4 days out of the week, right>

and selling runes for gems when u get them from chests is stupidly OP

[cobalt horizon]

@sleek prawn please read pinned messages in #submit-ideas and edit appropriately, thank you.

[mighty dagger]

@sleek prawn what the hell is that list of “ideas”

[sleek prawn]

Oh sorry guys

Are you guys mods or

[dark iris]

You will need support from the community if you want to be heard

[signal lance]

And your ideas still need to be realistic and beneficial for the community and the company

[signal lance]

@slim magnet are you joking or being dead serios

[slim magnet]

Serious💀

[hollow nova]

Breaking news: monsters get hurt bad by tortures that are strong to them.

every monster should have itt to avoid this :trol:

bro actually reacted to his own message to reach limit so he wouldn’t cop any reactions on it

[karmic fable]

Yeah what a surprise monsters can get killed by torture WhAt A ShAMe

[karmic fable]

@teal tree writing in wrong channel 💀

[teal tree]

i know, i had to say it there coz its cringe as

[mighty dagger]

@wise tide that idea is straight up stupid

[wise tide]

Why is it your problem?

[mighty dagger]

first of all global chat

what the hell

mrbeast has been sponsored twice, we don’t need a third one and it wouldnt be as affective to bring more players in

[lucid magnet]

Thrice actually
Mr. Beast
Undead Mr. Beast
& Mr. Beast Eco

[mighty dagger]

I dont know Beast even sponsored the undead version

[lucid magnet]

I don’t exactly know as well. But knowing SP, probably so

[wise tide]

Trust it would work

[signal lance]

It wouldn't

Global Chat is something that has plagued this game for years and was removed for good reason

[slim magnet]

[lime ice]

Global chat was removed because it was toxic and totally unsafe

[buoyant basin]

We meet again

[buoyant basin]

Tbh sometimes you would come across good drama on GC 😅

[lime ice]

Well you can find good drama everywhere 😂

[buoyant basin]

Ye

[lime ice]

I love how fix your game is considered feedback 😂

[lime ice]

Love is sarcastic

[hallow knot]

@idle reef
Lgbt isn't new to the game, apparently the first confirmed lgbt characters were last year with the valentines saga but I know personally sexuality has been in the game for a LONG time, Lilysha is "sexy from hell" to say the least, as well as many married couples in the game (I can't think of any married lgbt couples)
Something like the pride saga harms only the people who are truly fearful of it, given its entirely optional and you don't miss out on any big rewards by missing out on it
That's just my perspective as a recently returned player

[lean kelp]

Couldn't have said it any better myself

[idle reef]

@hallow knot They could have left it ambiguous with a prismatic themed monster and left the politics out like they did with their 'covid' monster. They made the intentional decision to be specific here. The consequence is that I'm disbanding my team, so I'll not be helping new players any more, and abandoning the account, which means they're losing at least two PAYING customers (my son as well). I have zero tolerance for anyone pushing politics into a game that has nothing to do with it. On to something else I guess. Not telling anyone else what to do - that's just me.

Equating not wanting politics in a game to being 'fearful' of a worldview is a bit of a leap in reasoning.

[idle reef]

In a collection game, missing a time-limited exclusive reward is more meaningful than a game that's not primarily focused on collection.

[dark iris]

Since when are flags political??

[hearty badger]

Fr. Im missing the understanding here. Or better yet the actual reasoning as it has nothing to do with political agenda.

Also i don’t think they care if they lose 2 paying customers, they have a ton more. Just being transparent here

[idle reef]

Since the flags in question represent one of the most divisive political topics of this era. Another company just lost 25% of its value (over $25B) by unnecessarily introducing this exact topic to a business it's not relevant to. If SP was public, the shareholders would have grounds to sue over this action of maliciousness to the bottom line.

[dark iris]

What the heck are y'all talking about?
Where did you find these things? And how is economics related to politics?
Why do you even call it political?

I don't know how politician work in your country but most people have no issues about these flags in civilized regions. SP is international and most players don't even care about all this

[hearty badger]

honest i don’t even know why you care sm about a community. it’s not even political nor a big deal bruv. it’s really not that deep.

[hearty badger]

agreed

[dark iris]

[jolly oxide]

You do realise they don’t care about just two customers that pay a bit. They only care about whales

[idle reef]

I can't tell if your head is in the sand, or just trolling. Saying it's not political or divisive is provably false. SCOTUS has had at least 2 cases on it in the last few years. Companies are losing billions because of it. Legislation is at record pace for it. People's lives can be ruined or ended over it. It's a hot topic. Bringing that into a game is irresponsible and ruins the suspension of disbelief necessary to the enjoyment of a game.

Outing myself, but I was a whale. There's no other way to get to the 'real competition' in L1 within your first few months otherwise.

[hallow knot]

Who was the covid monster?
Good on you for making the choices you want to make in respectful way, I applaud it.
I say fearful as nobody has an issue with monsters being called sexy in the game, nor an issue with married couples and sons and daughters being in the game, or even characters like Owu Wu going by neutral pronouns. It's only when nontraditional relationships are highlighted people choose to run, otherwise most people have had no problem for what looks like a year and a half until they're reminded of it. 🥺😆

Also this time limited reward provides 0 loss if you miss it. Its a decoration no gems or anything.

If you're talking about Budweiser-Annheuser collaboration with Dylan Mulvaney, that's a completely different case and I don't see how or why anyone would be able to sue

I also find it almost bizarre that you call it politics as if the existence of gay people is something you can erase by voting to outlaw it etc

[lime ice]

To be who you are is not political

The ones that oppose the rights of people to be who they are make it political

I applaud all that let others see there is more in this world, to me thats not political it is showing that people should be free to choose what they want to be 🍀

To explain that can be anything straight, bi, gay
Christian, Islamic, Hindu Atheist

As long as you dont hurt others I dont care what you are

[idle reef]

Saying something is true does not make it so. Not wanting it to be divisive and political does not escape it from being so. Ya'll are assuming A LOT because I said I don't want divisive politics in a game. It's telling. All I'm saying is stuff that is political and divisive in nature shouldn't be pushed, one way or another.

[hallow knot]

Nobody's "pushing" it on you - you can choose to ignore it, you do not need to participate in the era saga nor do you have to collect/use the characters confirmed to be non heterosexual
Forcing would be giving you a rainbow frame when you login to the game that not even support could take away

(I heard that happened a few years back, point of reference)

[lime ice]

Same goes for you
Saying its political doesnt make it political

[idle reef]

Above:
"SCOTUS has had at least 2 cases on it in the last few years. Companies are losing billions because of it. Legislation is at record pace for it. People's lives can be ruined or ended over it..."
People's careers are based off of arguing for or against it. Nonprofit advocacies for and against it get hundreds of millions to try and sway people.

It's political. To say otherwise is disingenuine.

[hallow knot]

It's a shame that it does get considered a political subject given everything else that goes on
Poverty, war, etc but unfortunately some people consider it a higher priority

It's also only divisive to those who let it be, otherwise it can be quite unifying, it's only the people who take offense from it or would rather have it excluded for any reason that make it divisive

[idle reef]

Both sides can say the same. It's a base level disagreement on worldview.

[lime ice]

Your point has no value, loses of companies in US or where ever does not make your point

Being who someone is and celebrating that is not political

[hallow knot]

I will say though, full respect for not losing your mind over it or anything
I've seen worse reactions from people who choose to still play, and not for the point of "I don't want politics in the game"

[lime ice]

Im stopping this discussion because it has no use

[idle reef]

Debating politics in a game is a waste of time. We're here to play, not argue about the world, and it's unlikely anyone changes their mind because we don't know each other personally. I don't want to get anyone hot and bothered.

[lime ice]

Im not hot and bothered
Also still not having a political discussion 😂

[hallow knot]

It's just a discussion of opinion

[dark iris]

All you are saying are mere opinions.
The world doesn't work like you want just because you have a narrow perspective.
Nobody thinks is divisive except the divisive people, quite the opposite, the game is aiming for an inclusive strategy

[dark iris]

@sour schooner about point #4
It has been proposed many times before, players point out "why always easter? Why Halloween and Christmas but not Kwanzaa?"
The reasoning about not having jew events or any other region celebration is because popularity==profit

[sour schooner]

💯

This is exactly the definition of discrimination though, favouring certain events over others

[dark iris]

I haven't played the saga because I still don't get the monster but I don't expect much lore about any monsters

[lime ice]

thats not discrimation
The game is made in Europe in a Catholic country so the background is Cristian

Take two is an American company so it has its American influences

Like 4th of July, we in Europe dont celebrate that

Was the game originated in an other culture the game would have gotten the festivities from that culture

Im from the Netherlands and I dont complain they dint have things from my culture in the game

[sour schooner]

I get it but that also means that they don't necessarily have to include events that may divide the community. That's what I'm pointing at. But I get what you're tryna say

[lime ice]

Celibrating love and being proud of what you are is universal imo

[sour schooner]

Please elaborate 😅

I'd rather not respond based on a single message. If you could pass me the context, I'd be happy to answer

[lime ice]

Also you want to get gold from something you dont support isnt that a bit hypocrite?

[sour schooner]

I never said that but I was just talking about the rewards. It's not even remotely related to LGBTQ

[lime ice]

Pride is about celebrating love in many forms and also proud of who you are, that is universal

I get that is not a value in all cultures and religions and I understand but if that's not your cup of tea ignore it or choose another game
Simple 🍀

[sour schooner]

Dear Mari, that's why I included the disclaimer. Look, I'm a very open-minded guy despite my religion and faith providing me clear instructions. I'm NOT against pride, but I don't openly support it either. I do respect people doing their own things and sticking to their agreed-upon thoughts, ideas and beliefs but at the same time, I don't see the need of so much hype over something that is NOT universal. The sole requirement of Universality is that more or less the whole world agrees upon it, which is clear NOT the case here. We have those who choose to neglect it, those who choose to ignore it, those who oppose it, those who support it and those who embrace it. That's no universality. As for biologically, don't get me wrong but I have my major as Biology so, there are ONLY two genders. The rest are mere illusions created by people who want a change. Nothing can and will change "MY" opinion on it. Of course, if you want to embrace that illusion, go on. I am NOT stopping you. But what is the truth, is the truth. This is universality.

[hollow nova]

🥱

this saga has led to such a mess

[lime ice]

Lol i said love is universal

[sour schooner]

Which is true, yes. Love is universal. Pride is not. Simple as that 🤷‍♂️

But love for certain thing is not universal

"I love regicide". People would slap me on the face for saying this

[lime ice]

Again pride stands for love
Love of others and love for yourself

[sour schooner]

I don't know where you got that from but I genuinely chuckled at this.

Love for yourself is called Self-Respect

[lime ice]

You can chuckle all you want but that is the simple meaning of pride

There is no discrimination here and there is no politics here

Nobody forces ideas om you, you dont want
Again ignore or move on

[sour schooner]

Well. It's totally upto you; The way you see things changes everything. As for the "no politics here" part, that's too controversial to discuss here. I'd rather not stir a conversation that lengthy and waste either of our time. But regarding the "nobody forces ideas on you", Umm... no. The environment does. Again, this is very controversial so I say we just stop at this before things get all mixed up, creating different and unintended meanings. And I don't want to circumlocute stuff here. I'm down-to-Earth. I say what I say; no hidden meanings.

[lime ice]

I think you should remove that
Im no longer mod here
But as i said earlier the loss of US beer companies and now you talking about an experiment that has taken place or maybe made up by someone, has nothing to do with ml or this game ir even with pride

[sour schooner]

Remove what? Please specify?

[lime ice]

The experiment part
What has that to do with playing ml or with pride

[idle reef]

1. We may want the rest of the world to have the same opinions as us so that there's no quarreling, but that isn't always possible. (Any side of any issue)
2. I established above that the issue is controversial beyond reasonable doubt. It will be who knows how long. The discussion here shows it even more.
3. ML usually has popular cultural events, not divisive ones, as @dark iris said.
4. Since this is a polarizing event, it shouldn't have been included. It should have remained an ambiguous chromatic-themed monster, not specifically naming a political issue.

[sour schooner]

This

🤌

[lime ice]

Like MC im getting bored
Get over yourselves or move on

[idle reef]

I moved on. I was giving ML the courtesy of saying why I moved on.

[hallow knot]

Separate the meaning of biological sex and gender in your head
Sex is your chromosomes and what you were born with
Gender is nowadays a social construct

I will also say regarding "I don't see the need of so much hype over something is NOT universal" this feels irrelevant
For example Discord isn't universal. ML isn't universal. I feel like it's a personal point rather than something to contribute

[lime ice]

I said love is universal ✌

He @sour schooner arent you celebrating im no longer mod 🤣

[sour schooner]

No. You taught me a ton of things before, and I'll forever be in your debt for that. But this for one, is not something I would like to learn.

[lime ice]

Is ok Prince 🍀

[sour schooner]

Thanks for understanding, Mari. Also, the main point in the feedback was how "Leaving your home" gives you freedom but I guess that's a story for another day 😜

[lime ice]

And maybe one for off topic 🙃

[sour schooner]

Possibly, yes 😏

[sour schooner]

Oh C'mon. Sex and Gender are pretty much the same thing. If they aren't, I identify as a Cucumber.

[hallow knot]

Congrats on coming out 💙🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

[sour schooner]

Eww no

That's not LGBT

[hallow knot]

The argument of going from male to female and vice versa vs going from human to a random inanimate object is a complete other world, but you do you bestie !!

Keep using that as your best argument vs lgbt 💙

[sour schooner]

I did impose conditional there. Doesn't necessarily mean that i AM a cucumber 😐

[hallow knot]

Are you a cucumber, are you human, or are you taking the piss? Hehehe

[mighty dagger]

i identify as a crappy radio

[sour schooner]

At this point, I am overjoyed by the smell of victory 🤣. Provide me a scientific fact besides, maybe, Dopamine overproduction due to self-identification.

[sour schooner]

I'll listen to you, my fren

[sour schooner]

I've 44 autosomes and an XY chromosomal pair. So, definitely a Human 🤷‍♂️

[hallow knot]

There's been a few psychological experiments conducted before now including iirc John Money in the 60s, in which one male child who had a failed procedure was brought up as a girl and the psychological effects were studied, not to mention a following experiment that noted a specific part of the brain was larger in transgender people than those who weren't

The vagueness comes from me being unable to remember the details 🙂

Otherwise specify what you mean by scientific fact

[sour schooner]

Oh wow! That's so latest. Definitely not related to Mutation 😲

[hallow knot]

Random biology buzzword there but congrats

[lime ice]

I think this really gets offtopic

[hallow knot]

Reminder intersex people do exist

[sour schooner]

They do. I saw a couple of them irl. Mutation and/or (I'm getting @ed after this i know for sure) rather intricate inheritance.

[hallow knot]

Biology and Psychology do go hand in hand, I encourage you study both instead of just arguing one or the other

Sincerely, one who studied both

[sour schooner]

Klinefelter's, Jacob's, and Turner's syndrome are meiotic disjunction errors

Sincerely, someone who studied about Genes and variations

[sour schooner]

And 2 out of those 3 are literally Intersex if that's what you're trying to implement here.

For further discussion, DM or #offtopic

[toxic otter]

Prince I like your feedback comment, the only thing I would add is pride month has zero to do with Christianity. There is no malice in my comment.

[signal lance]

I gotta start setting a reminder that every year when Pride month comes theres always players that feel it is political for some reason

[dark iris]

The funny part is that the whole convo is about how political or non political the event is.
But there was no political discussion about it

[jolly oxide]

Then identify as that

It’s 2023 after all

[sour schooner]

Of course it doesn't, Roy. Christianity is a religion. Pride is an idea, something people stick to. I know the game is based in Europe (and partially America) so naturally it features Christian events. But at the same time, instead of introducing such political event, they should've introduced some other religion's events too. Even ONE event could do. 🤷‍♂️

[sour schooner]

No u 🙂

[toxic otter]

👍

[karmic fable]

Haven´t they made an elephant that was representing jewish religion and they got massive hate for that?

I remember something like that

it was a legendary

[signal lance]

Gakora

And I belive so

I believe it was because of Gakora being a white elephant which is considered sacred in Hindu and I believe Jewish religions

[karmic fable]

Real fault is sp ruining the game rip

Saga was a cover up

😤

[lean kelp]

Oh wow a war happened here by the looks of it

[dark iris]

This is the most respectful and civil war I've read, if you can call it a war tho

[lime ice]

A good discussion is never war

When I was young (ages ago) I had good discussions with mutual respect

There is no need to go to war over different opinions

[sour schooner]

Exactly. I actually quite liked this little conversation. No getting angry, just imparting knowledge 😅

[flint stone]

Enough with all this.

Surely it can come to a close now.

[deep geode]

We need infinite attack for dungeons

[jolly oxide]

@midnight flower No that is too op

[midnight flower]

Yes. Also players with enough money will be a problem

[jolly oxide]

Why did you suggest it then if you already saw its flaws

[lean kelp]

So many people have suggested that and it's such a flawed idea

[midnight flower]

I didn't considered that when I was writing it

[slim sedge]

[hollow nova]

is coa stam really still not removed for everyone?

what is sp doing

[foggy summit]

a beta test

[tribal ravine]

@sour schooner You're right I'm with you. (Feedback channel)

[earnest wasp]

@plush basin you can buy them for less than 200 Gems in the cell shop during monster week

[fiery bloom]

@plush basin lp isn't a beta test, we're all suffering the same pain

[tribal ravine]

@plush basin I think the half season pass isn't a beta test

[fiery bloom]

@plush basin Cell shop does exist, however as the era moves on, the bh shop will only feature monsters that are 2 eras behind, in this case, we're in alpine, meaning we're getting 2 monsters from abyssal, galactic and blossom respectively, nothing below that

We don't know what monsters Bounty Hunt will offer us either they give us something good or something bad, there's really no way to tell

[mighty dagger]

@plush basin Imagine asking for better monsters in bh shop instead of waiting for cell shop discounts

[slim magnet]

@plush basin don canine cant be in bh shop now cause its old generation/era

[sacred walrus]

@sour schooner were you being serious about the visual update to BH? It took me 3 mins to actually find the fugitive that was already found because I can't see crap on this new board..

[sour schooner]

Sarcasm 😬

[dark iris]

That's not helping
Specially because sarcasm can't work on text

[sour schooner]

Mb. Fixed

[fiery bloom]

@idle reef

1. Tortures wouldn't really exist then. If tortures are based on strength, the tortures literally tickle many monsters. to give you context, let's use this season's fugitive killer, Bandolero as an example. He has 16280 strength stat at r0, are you saying that his tortures will only deal 16280 damage per turn? That is literally non existent. If you can't handle tortures just use monsters with ITT
2. The 25% increase in stamina doesn't change much actually. If the et spammer has a relic slot where they have a stamina regen relic there's really no noticeable difference. Anticipation exists if you wanna deal with these things

3. Have you ever heard of ITC? It's an effect where the monster who has it cannot be affected by controls/denials sure it can be cleansed but there's really no point of reiventing the wheel here

[idle reef]

I didn't give the constant scaler. It would be diff for each torture, of course. ex) curse on turn 1=600%, turn 2=1200%, etc.

[fiery bloom]

Then what would be the base?

Give me a number to work with

[idle reef]

Cleansable IC is the problem because most monsters galactic and before have it on almost everything for free.

[fiery bloom]

And your suggestion basically puts that itc on every monster, denial is already pretty dead in the meta so why reinvent the wheel?

[idle reef]

That example is roughly based on keeping it almost the same as now, so 10% turn 1 of say 1M health with attacker 15k str, comes out to ~100k damage

[fiery bloom]

10k damage... That's literally non existent, crist just use Immune to torture monsters, it's not that hard

[idle reef]

fixed

[fiery bloom]

10k fixed? That's even worse

[idle reef]

no i typoed. it's 100k

[fiery bloom]

That causes another problem, if tortures dealt 100k damage fixed, that would mean that all monsters pretty much have only 2 rune slots

Since one of them have to be a life rune

[idle reef]

NOT fixed. I said fixed because i fixed/edited the post

[fiery bloom]

Oh ok then what would be 100k?

damage every turn?

[idle reef]

example: curse
turn 1: 600% str
turn 2: 1200% str
...

Assuming attacker 15k str, defender 1M health (to base what str scaling should be), turn 1 does 90k damage, turn 2 does 180k damage

Assuming attacker 1k str,
turn 1 does 6k damage, turn 2 12k

[hollow nova]

what's your problem with tortures that makes you want balances/changes

am confused
(this is not in response to that explanation, just an addition to my message)

[fiery bloom]

same idk what they're refering to

[fiery bloom]

I'm confused, are you buffing tortures or nerfing them?

[fiery bloom]

Even if this was implemented 180k would only be 18% of their life, and you can just heal that back with regen

since 20% of 1 mil is 200k

non existent damage

[idle reef]

Depends.
It makes life as a stat come into play. Right now life literally plays no role in survival for tortures.

[idle reef]

look at curse rn...

[fiery bloom]

Evasion literally cancels the next application of curse, so it's only gonna deal 10% anyway

[jolly oxide]

It does 70% life

[jolly oxide]

So?

[idle reef]

those examples can be tweaked, just giving easy figures for napkin math

[fiery bloom]

Just use a monster with Immune To Torture god damn it

There's so many to choose from

[jolly oxide]

Ik

[idle reef]

You've missed the point

[fiery bloom]

I don't care what your point is at this point, my point is if you can't deal with tortures and suggesting to nerf them just use itt

[jolly oxide]

Or remove tortures, cleanse/per, status caster torture immune; area status caster torture immunity

[lean kelp]

those %s seems way too overtuned

[fiery bloom]

^

[lean kelp]

that would make ignite and burn from an attacker do like 2mil damage

which is enough to one-shot anything without a life rune

[idle reef]

You set the scaling constant so that it hits the same for a target baseline, different for each torture, as it hits now

[fiery bloom]

Again, for the last time, use immune to torture, case closed

[lean kelp]

i like the idea tbh

just the %s you provided were a bit overtuned

[fiery bloom]

I'm just still skeptical about the torture one, the other 2 ideas were simply interesting

[lean kelp]

strength based torture sounds fine tbh, its a thing many other games do

[fiery bloom]

Just use itt at that point

itt was already meta

is there really nessessity to change how tortures work if their counter is already meta?

that's why I'm really skeptical about this idea

[idle reef]

Let me frame the problem:
When you can apply 7 tortures in a single turn, and each one varies from 10-20%, that's a 1-shot, no matter your life, because it's % based. That doesn't require setting up damage buffs before-hand, and applies every turn, hands off, even with all speed runes on first turn.

The goal is to have life play a role, and nudge toward balancing stats of attacker.

[lean kelp]

saying "just use ITT" doesnt really solve the problem that tortures are very overtuned

[fiery bloom]

some of them are, some of them not, i can see that

[fiery bloom]

you can still stack tortures and deal loads of damage even at 10-20%

[idle reef]

YES, but the over time of ramping up damage is missing because we can apply all number of tortures instantly on the first turn.

[fiery bloom]

and your suggestion changes what

?

[idle reef]

Life stat plays a role in survivability
You don't hit as hard if you neglect str. Balance the speed of application with how hard it hits.

[fiery bloom]

At that point just use triple strength to compensate

[idle reef]

side benefit i guess: tortures aren't as weak against fugitive

[slim magnet]

If this happen so that mean that I can have 30k corralia from last bh💀

[lean kelp]

Direct 1:1 conversion is too crazy

1:5 like how it usually is, or 1:10 if that's too broken

[signal lance]

No they still would be

The fugi trait straight up nullifies DOTs

[idle reef]

I haven't looked too much as to why, but assumed it's because dots were based on life before scaling it up for fugitive levels, so legendary base life is low, and % of low is still low.

Is there a trait on them I'm missing? Can't read while in battle.

If my assumption were true, and dots changed to scale w/ str instead of % life, then dots would do normal damage to fugitive.

[signal lance]

So looking through your ideas.

1. DOT damage being based out of strength makes certain mons down right impossible to take down before dying as certain mons have a high enough strength Stat to easily do over 100k in damage via DOT' (Tyr Storm Bringer, Mouserk, and even Learnatta) but now the issue is this. Supports and cursers are now in a dilemma as they now can't threaten the other enemy with DOTs as it just deals pitiful damage to the enemy and these guys especially cursers rely a lot of DOTs for their damage output otherwise they are choked if their other gimmicks are not great enough

2. Stamina increase in ET spammers mean nothing. Nothing can survive an ET assault event with this change as ET attackers will always have multiple ways to regain stamina while you are pigeon held

3. Denial is already as dead as it is and all you did was essentially make it so every mon has immune to control which isn't a good thing considering many deniers rely on their ability to chain deny reliably and now you are forcing mons like Theton and even Lord Hayman and Raris into a strange position where now they are forced to use a set deny rather than something else

[idle reef]

Cursers have more variety of dots they can overlap, generally, than attackers, so the pressure would still be there. 2x dot vs more str. I think the scaler can be set appropriately to keep the same pressure. This isn't meant to lower curser damage, just make life part of the survivability equation.

[signal lance]

I also have a question. When it comes to DOT's how does this affect relics and talents that apply DOT's

[idle reef]

Re: 3
Do you not believe infinite chain control is an issue? With a hard counter, or not high enough speed, an enemy team could never have even 1 turn.

[signal lance]

This could have been done in a much better way with the scaling. Considering the fact that many mons would just run a certain build and laugh off certain strats used to counter them. Niah for example would now laugh off Toxin damage with a life runes and a few mutants

[signal lance]

Considering how easy it is to slap an Anti mon on a team no

Looking at the current META you would be hard pressed to use a tank in today's day in age without that tank having some form of usability. Great full Ted for example can Hold Horn.

There are a lot of viable strategies used that downright advice against using tanks as certain team strats require the full 3 mon team to fuction

Even the teams that have a tank don't require you to use one and they can easily be swapped for another mon on the team like an Elvira Demon Slayer for Evasion or even a Uriel

[idle reef]

I agree, esp in higher. But the variety higher up is lacking both in types of strat and diversity in monsters.

[signal lance]

You would be surprised but certain teams are broken for a far different reason

Lum, TGC, Sky team is really good because of TGC's Denial, Lums NER spam in combination with Random Positive Spam and her Anti, Sky is amazing because he is a tank that hits like a truck

[fiery bloom]

that's what I'm saying

[fiery bloom]

@idle reef you still haven't explained this scenario

Just spam triple strength and boom extra damage

[idle reef]

Yes, that team in particular, is strongly represented. Speed stacking for control and dots faster than can be cleansed? Check. Pierce/cb? Check. Shadownya's essence x2? Check. Removals just because? Check.

[fiery bloom]

I get that you're trying to promote life rune usage but clearly you want triple strength on all monsters who have dots

[idle reef]

Then you're controled and killed first. And?

[fiery bloom]

denial is dead...

the only one that has some useage is cda

[idle reef]

No, balance, man, balance.

[fiery bloom]

You want life runes used more, but in this case strength runes would be more used to increase dot damage

[idle reef]

You can go to extremes, but that'd be easily dealt with.

[fiery bloom]

with what

[idle reef]

Life runes play zero part in survivability right now. They don't need to be strongest rune, just part of the equation.

[fiery bloom]

Bro, then what stops the useage of triple strength

[signal lance]

This isn't how you make balanced

[fiery bloom]

This idea is very flawed

[idle reef]

Someone faster than you with 1 control?
Cleanse?

[signal lance]

You can't make balanced teams in this game. Its impossible to account for every possibility in a balance team

[fiery bloom]

name a control other than cda that's meta

[signal lance]

The entire point of a denier is to go first and open the way up for the team. Take that away and they are useless

[signal lance]

You can't

Because CDA is the ONLY one that is META

[fiery bloom]

In addition, most deniers do not have per or td, making tanks a difficult matchup against deniers

[signal lance]

Fear comes a close second

[fiery bloom]

next is roots

[signal lance]

Nah

No one runs Roots skills

Its just CDA and Fear because of TGC and Theton

[fiery bloom]

yep

[fiery bloom]

Run into even a tank with SC: taunt and your ENTIRE strategy is done

[hallow knot]

Buckybadger I thought you quit?

[signal lance]

But to go back to idea #1 it is literally impossible to make a balanced team in ML. There are way too many variables that need to be taken into acount to even come close to getting balanced to work correctly. This isn't a game like Pokemon where you have 6 mons that differ from everyone and cover for everyones weaknesses. ML is a game where you bring 3 mons and those fight at the same time

[idle reef]

Yes. Already broke team up, just giving parting thoughts I've been thinking about.

[fiery bloom]

However, there are some comps that have little to no counterplay at all such as the skydkold, lumoona iwa and galvanus team

[fiery bloom]

Even if they do cleanse the dots, history can just repeat itself and on the next turn the dot spammer will spam yet again

Not many monsters have a 0cd ner

[signal lance]

No that team is Easy

If you want Lack of Counter play you look at Niah teams

[fiery bloom]

Whats the counter?

[signal lance]

A lot actually

[fiery bloom]

ok we dont have to go that far

[fiery bloom]

don't tell me it's pierce or cold blood

[signal lance]

Mouserk would shred the team to bits as well as some of the other popular strats such as Forge labs + Serp

The entire team is literally designed to make ET attackers a non factor

[signal lance]

The fact that to this day we still don't have a reliable comp against team speaks volumes

[sacred walrus]

@lean kelp this company seems to like doing the exact opposite of what is needed for the game. The "tests" would be more bearable if only the "select few" are a part of it. But they give "tests" to almost everyone and exclude "select few", which is the exact opposite of what a test should be and making the game completely unfair to those 2 or 3 excluded from each team.

[dark iris]

It's almost like they are trying to speedrun the game into oblivion

[lime ice]

ML still excists almost 10 years old or counting the beta time and fb time it is over 10 years old. It is as old as the remarks that the game is dying according to some

If you keep on predicting its end at some time you will be right, just enjoy and if you aren't move on 🍀

[fiery bloom]

@mighty tundra YT monsters were designed to be "beginner" friendly, they will be good early on, but sooner or later you will replace them as the game goes on

[lean kelp]

^

[slim magnet]

@mighty tundra the most op yt monster is lazarbeam then dhar man

[fiery bloom]

Forge Labs be crying in his lab

[mighty dagger]

Vanoss2099

[fiery bloom]

The doo

[slim magnet]

Lol

[karmic fable]

How do I link my account with another facebook/Google play that I already have linked to that account

Hey guys is it alright if I ping devs for a response

[signal lance]

no

Never ping a dev

[signal lance]

What do you mean by this? Like do you want to link your current account to a new Google Play account and have it replace the ML account in there?

[karmic fable]

Yes

[signal lance]

You are gonna need to talk to CS about that then

[karmic fable]

Cs?

[warm depot]

Can i switch accounts from iOS to android?

[flint stone]

Never ever. Please read the rules of the Company server.

[hallow knot]

Azerty what's the feedback to monster legends ×_× that's just a message you're quitting

@karmic fable

Sorry not sorry for ping :3

[karmic fable]

It's fine

[karmic fable]

I don't see anywhere else I could talk about that

[hallow knot]

#ml-general-discussion I guess LOL,

[karmic fable]

It seemed more suitable to talk about in feedbacks for me

[hallow knot]

But whats the feedback to the developer

Like what should they take away from you quitting you just said "bye" ://

[karmic fable]

The feedback channel isn't even read by the devs apparently, that message wasn't for them, it was mainly for the players

[hallow knot]

but that's not a player announcement broadcast channel thing lol

it's messages for the devs
ive heard a thousand times it doesn't get read, and maybe they do maybe they don't idk

[lean kelp]

[hallow knot]

ill just use it to announce how many slots I get on the gay !! ❤️🏳️‍🌈👍

[karmic fable]

[hallow knot]

I hope my point was conveyed

[karmic fable]

Not really

[hallow knot]

what should devs learn, what did they do good or bad

bc "bye" that's meh

[karmic fable]

Just forget it

[hallow knot]

yeet it

[hallow knot]

Update; 2 slots

[dark iris]

The CM are the ones reading that channel and relay actual feedback to SP.
Which is not a warranty they will listen to you at all

[hollow nova]

@harsh marsh can you not post non-feedback stuff in #general-feedback pls

[harsh marsh]

Mhm

[hollow nova]

also to answer your question i’d choose the 2 monsters over tickets

[harsh marsh]

Okidoki

[hallow knot]

I get those notifications idk what that feedback is on about ://

[sour schooner]

Well... much better anyways (response to my feedback stating "Cured")

[hallow knot]

@fathom harness you do know so has been under taketwo since 2017 ://

[karmic fable]

@slow totem you kinda know that this is what makes this the SPECIAL element

[signal lance]

@timid shuttle that would actually be a bad idea

[timid shuttle]

???

How so

[signal lance]

By being able to delete messages sent to team chat there is a possibility that important information that could lead to a players account being suspended/banned could be loss

Some players join Teams to harass others and CS will need an SS of some of the things they have said. By being able to delete those messages you essentially brick wall certain teams that couldn't delete in time

[timid shuttle]

Ohhh didn’t exactly explain it right what I meant was only leads or co-leads have the power to delete messages other member’s send

But yea I do get what your saying

[lime ice]

@karmic fable so you are against sp adressing autoclickers or macro's

Weird

[karmic fable]

not that way...

[lime ice]

So explain

[timid shuttle]

Yea kid explain

[mighty dagger]

@slow totem Why do we even need Special to have a strength and weakness, its meant to serve the same purpose as Physical

What ‘Strong Against’ and ‘Weak Against’ would Special even have

[timid shuttle]

Water type

[mighty tundra]

Physical

[fiery bloom]

@mighty tundra I mean ahma niah isnt dying anytime soon and there are monsters like azajinn that are pretty usefull

[lean kelp]

some of the most meta monsters are magic element

Mouserk, Lumoona, Ahma Niah, Theton and then some other really good monsters like Nereida, Talika, Sygrid Spirit, Sorcerice and ig Azajinn

[karmic fable]

Lumoona>>>K911>>>>Galvanus???

[kind cape]

The most used monster in pvp is lumoona iwa so idk about magic mons being forgotten

[karmic fable]

Man I need an answer which is the best support to buy?
Lumoona/k911/galvanus/others?

[cobalt horizon]

#monster-discussion ?

[mighty dagger]

@mighty tundra How long you have been playing ML since you made that idea

[hallow knot]

old legendary monsters with bad skills forgotten about? No way :-0

[mighty tundra]

General Shannara

[mighty dagger]

ok

[mighty tundra]

I've been playing since the metro era. And i took a break until the doomed/blossom era. And then i quit. I missed an entire era or the Abyssal era.

[mighty dagger]

but whats the idea of making magic monsters “relevant” again

[lean kelp]

everything below Doomed era is pretty much forgotten about, so idk what make Magic legendaries specifically so important to not be forgotten

[mighty tundra]

buff Shannara. She's taking up my vault space

[mighty dagger]

what the hell is he on

[mighty tundra]

pain

im not that good at the game ok

[mighty tundra]

he's out of line but he's right

[mighty dagger]

what do you favor her so much you’re “asking” SP to buff her just to make her “relevant” again

[mighty tundra]

oh god no

[mighty dagger]

bloody remove her or literally anyone else who’s taking up space

[cobalt horizon]

Remove

[hallow knot]

Imagine coping so hard that you have to post a picture of a message that got blocked bruh xD

[kind cape]

Bruh she's an 6-7 year legendary, ofc people forgot about her 💀

[mighty dagger]

even if people remembered her, she’s just old and outdated

[lean kelp]

Essayxistence is back :CatPeriodt:

[fiery bloom]

@timid shuttle as if we didn't have enough of faction books as war restricts

[hallow knot]

@dire nova just start farming xD

Organise your islands for good gold :3 ezpz

[dire nova]

I do farm, it's just that I don't want to constantly check ml just for that little bit of food. 5m gold for 100k food is not nearly enough.

[mighty dagger]

you-problem momen

just farm gold we dont need easier food access

or adventure map

[jolly oxide]

@sour schooner but it may be an incentive for them to add more monsters to those books

[sour schooner]

Maybe but the books are underdeveloped yet. Only 1 or 2 "moderately" good monsters in each faction book. Sucks the fun out of wars

[jolly oxide]

Hmmm

[slim magnet]

While It will have new one that will soon come

[hallow knot]

@hybrid egret people use autoclicker on buying cells in bounty hunt shop, crafting low lvl runes in race and apparently someone got banned for using it in breeding season timed challenge to come first xD what a tube

[hybrid egret]

bounty hunt really need to be able to buy in quantity, but damn i tired to pay for cheaters, its very upsettings, can be up to 5-6 times in a single fight, its horrible, they really need to find a way to leave honest players alone and punish the few responsible instead of all of us

[hallow knot]

Its always the few that ruin it for the many ;n; I suppose there's ppl that autoclick that sp hasn't detected and they wanna weed them out and so this happens? But idk

[hybrid egret]

it risk to weed out other players too... but hey no control over anythings there

[hallow knot]

If you're not autoclick and afking for extended periods you should be fine xD

[mighty dagger]

@iron zodiac Your feedback should be a reason why the feedback channel shouldn’t be available for everyone

theres no way you’ll +13 because thats something a 5yr old would say

[torn apex]

....

[torn apex]

and like lets not forget that some of the old monster became mythic doesn't just make their forms pointless also?

oh and obsidian relics to....

[mighty dagger]

yeah

[torn apex]

there no way they would even pull the rug Even if its SP they would never do that in that context

because it just ruin EVERYTHING one way or another

[signal lance]

^^^

It would literally be impossible to roll back now. They would have to buff and rework hundreds of monsters and hundreds of relics ro even remotely function correctly

[teal tree]

@sour schooner Traumatizing??

[hallow knot]

Pulled out the thesaurus, searched for synonyms of sad and put his favourites in his feedback xD

[teal tree]

ikr cringe as

[lean kelp]

Its better than just "Remove the Auto clicker thingy"

[fiery bloom]

@teal tree Don't they have that already?

[teal tree]

no they have autofill but thats it

if its for example craft a gold, ill rather spend 4 gold then a truck ton of bronze

[fiery bloom]

oh mb, read your suggestion wrong

[sour schooner]

Nah. I searched for "words rhyming with zing" and then went through 100+ words to look for the right fits here. I'd pick my clumsiness over your detesting gaze any day . Period.

[teal tree]

but you said the auto clicker thing is traumatizing bruh

[sour schooner]

It is, indeed. It's a waste of time 🤷‍♂️

[teal tree]

do u know what traumatizing means?

[sour schooner]

I do, yes. I've been speaking English for 5 years now

[teal tree]

well u should probably relearn the definition ngl

[sour schooner]

Oh, and if you don't remember... It's my feedback. Which means I have the control over it. Thank you, Mr. Know It All 🤣

[teal tree]

i mean i wasnt trying to be mr know it all, i was telling u calling it traumatizing is over the top

[sour schooner]

I don't abhor you but you can't just cast an eye of contempt over just a mere word 🤷‍♂️

[teal tree]

bru i was just saying lol

[sour schooner]

And I was just reasoning, no worries. Are we good now? 🤪

[teal tree]

never said we weren't lol, i just said traumatizing is over the top

[sour schooner]

Now that I think of it, I guess it doesn't apply to every one but to me, it's still a hindrance in race progression. But I get what you're trying to convey here.

[hollow nova]

put the thesaurus away lol

[sour schooner]

OK OPmc

[karmic fable]

Everyone complains about the stupid pop-up and I have NEVER gotten it since introduction

[fiery bloom]

you are the chosen one

[sour schooner]

^

[karmic fable]

Bro is listening to one of my favourite songs

[sour schooner]

See. We're both cool 🤍

[karmic fable]

I love that song from my heart and I like all versions of it

[sour schooner]

I also like "In the Middle Of Night" but each song hits differently

Anyways, we can continue in DMs. This is offtopic 😅

[hallow knot]

You say my gaze is detesting xD there was no hate involved. Just speculation and light hearted humour. I know text doesn't always convey tone of voice well but best to ask rather than assume malice :3

Just my two cents ;p

[sour schooner]

Uhhh... pretty sure I didn't ping/target "you" in any way but OK

[hallow knot]

What does the yellow mean

[fiery bloom]

Ping

[normal tiger]

a ping

[torn apex]

please tell me your joking not know what it means to get pinged

[lean kelp]

[slim magnet]

Look at the number of ping that he have

So i wonder that he dont know

[hallow knot]

So pretty sure you did ping ne Prince.

:3

[lime ice]

@sour schooner

So do you have another solution against the unfair advantages of autoclick and macro's, since both cant be detected on a game?

Or do you just agree they should not be discouraged

[sour schooner]

Well, Social Point is a renowned company. And since it's owned by Take Two, I am pretty sure they can install a macro detector system in the game. But for the time being, this doesn't just make up for it. It's very very annoying when it appears again and again.

[lime ice]

Im not It but if that was possible they would have done that ages ago

Maybe it is with some heavy investments idk

I guess you dont mind the game getting even more "heavy" and expensive because some want to use unfair methods

Everthing costs and besides the costs everything added to game thats not used for playing the game itself (security, checking) makes it bigger, ML already has big issues with that

[sour schooner]

It's a one-time investment though . It's not even going to need maintainance once it's implemented. And besides, if your argument here is that they'd not implement just because "some" use unfair method, then why would they punish those who don't? They banned lots of macro users a month back. This should've stopped there if they weren't going to introduce a system. This mechanism over here is something that I personally haven't seen in ANY other game I've played so far. So, to sum it up, this is horrendous. While sliding it to the controller to get rid of the popup, I feel like a kid playing those column-match games lmao. They need to get over this cheap system. Periodt

[lime ice]

As far as I know they werent banned, maybe temporary
If that was the case it wouldn't be needed

A one time investment if it can be done is still an invesment

And the other problem the game getting unplayable because of constant checks isnt an issue?

In every issue even in real life, the good suffer because of bad behavior from others, its how things work

[sour schooner]

1. Yes they were banned temporarily. But a ban is a ban. Detention is basically a smaller degree of suspension and may lead to it eventually.

2. It's an investment, yes but being one-time, it's still better than things that need maintainance. If I knew programming, I could literally code a program to tackle THIS (current) system. No biggie.

3. It is an issue though. Have it this way: You're in school and taking a class and every now and then your friend whispers into your ears "Are you there?". At first, you might giggle but it gets tiresome eventually.

4. Real life issues are hard to resolve as they normally involve more than one parties or causative agents. However, something that can be programmed to one's own will is definitely not subjective to impossible-to-recover argument.

[jolly oxide]

Who cares about autoclickers tho

This is not a game where autoclickers are very useful

[lime ice]

1
I see a temp ban asnot a real ban
2 big investments has impact always even if it's a one time, also still not adressing the issue ML already is a big game

And I guess if you can solve this without any programming skills, you must be really talented, most have to study for it
3 i get its annoying so are people using macro's and autoclickers everytime you look at a challenge and wondering if no 1 isnt using it
4 I can give a xxx examples of this
But lets keep it simple
Driving and using alcohol
Police do random checks of every car to check if you consumed alcohol. The good suffer for the bad, they get stopped too

[jolly oxide]

We lost Johnny/paques to autoclickers

[lime ice]

Thats his choice

[hallow knot]

You must be playing a different game

[teal tree]

how much MP did paques have? i swear it was a truck ton

[hallow knot]

An amount to the point where he was stupid to autoclick :3

and 1000% should've known better. So bro is feasting on Ls

[kind cape]

My guess is that the servers simply can't handle a program like that, the game is already quite unstable as of now so ye it'd be quite obvious what would happen

[lime ice]

Sort of what I said (game already is bigger than most mobile games) it will definitely make the game slower and prob more unstable
Besides I wonder if such a program really can check this, it has to check all actions made by all players and have to check it against some baseline either of behavior of players or the use of autoclick or macro's
Now I can Imagine autoclick can be noticed like that but with macro's its impossible imo

[torn apex]

"ML already is a big game"
I don't think so any more

after what social point makes all bad choices I don't think its big

as it use to be

[lime ice]

Big in the way of using storage and memory

[karmic fable]

it takes 2 GB for me playing since beginning OG era

probably even more for others

[mighty dagger]

i mean it wasnt as big from the start

[torn apex]

I mean

imagine how much ram for data

[mighty dagger]

oh

[signal lance]

@timid shuttle I don't think adding more relic types is a good idea. Also self up vote moment

[timid shuttle]

[timid shuttle]

Also why not

???

[signal lance]

You look at the current mons and you will start to see why that is a bad idea. Then comes the question of what will those relics even do, Sword focuses on damage, Banner support, Amulet Healing, Banner stamina etc

Then comes another issue on how does this affect current mons, does Theton lose staff slot for Trident? Then his trap is essentially locked fo Slums Trap

Adding new relics will cause issues with current game structure as many mons will be affected. Would Sword be better than Bow or vice versa

[timid shuttle]

Addressing your first issue yea I can’t rlly deny the first reason.

For your second issue it rlly should affect current monsters as this change should only be added too new monster yes if the “new” relics are good (I highly doubt it) it’ll be unfair but I feel like we need more options and need new changes (relic wise) if not that then at least add more relics in obsidian and maybe diamond.

[mighty dagger]

@modest sky what the hell is that idea

just place get more habitats and monsters you never go broke

plus thats not even a feedback

[karmic fable]

@sour schooner I had a stroke reading all that and had to read it 4 times to understand everything

[kind cape]

Was bored so decided to write something again