ideas-feedback-discussion

[lean kelp]

Rip

Guess I cant make any more rant walls

[twin rune]

Hi there! General reminder: please don't spam/repost your message as it is if it is deleted.

[karmic fable]

Just start playing again to write rant walls again

[lean kelp]

Oh damn 🧠

[hollow nova]

how is this meant to be enforced

you can’t exactly track whether or not people play

[clear stump]

Plus for those who say they just quit, does their feedback get deleted too even if it is following all other rules and explains why they're quitting.

Would love to hear a CM response on it.

[lyric coral]

I don’t understand why can’t you feedback if you quit. Shouldn’t SP be interested on the why to avoid it in the future?

[lean kelp]

SP just isnt interested in feedback full stop 💀

[hollow nova]

that 'rule' serves hardly any purpose imo, and is too hard to enforce consistently. players could quit without saying anything, and write feedbacks and be okay. or, players who have announced their departure could rejoin the game without saying anything, and have their feedback deleted unfairly, regardless of its content

maybe not the best analogy, but it's like saying 'if you have the good/normal pass, you can't write feedback on the bad/new pass since you don't have it'

[lean kelp]

Fairly sure you dont have to play the game to know that the new Gacha system is a joke, or that the RUSD is still terrible, or that the lack of communication is still persistent

[lyric coral]

I also find deleting feedback absurd. Feedback is so important many companies pay a lot of money for surveys to get feedback. And SP be like; oh ! Sarcasm- no that feedback has to be deleted. Instead of thinking wow these negative reactions are what we are causing we really have to change something.

[lean kelp]

Exactly

Unless its violating the overall server rules, no reason it should be deleted

[clear stump]

Imo sarcasm isn't helpful

Especially when tone and intent can't necessarily be read over the internet

Only serves to muddle things and who knows it might backfire

[brazen anvil]

That rule doesnt make any sense at all

[clear stump]

That's probably a rule given you're giving feedback on smth that doesn't apply to you and they wanna hear from people who actually suffer with it

[hollow nova]

why should we not be allowed to give feedback on stuff that doesn’t apply to us

i have the normal pass and think the new pass isn’t good, i should still be allowed to give feedback on that among other things

[brazen anvil]

If u've already played the game then you'll know what a new feature feels like

[rain spire]

There goes Dead Chat’s feedbacks

sounds like restricting those who are completely aware of the game’s currents cons making feedbacks

Even if they quit the game but keeps the connection with ml outside of playing

[hollow nova]

Mando posting another sarcastic feedback

which hasn’t been deleted, i might add

[rain spire]

often think that feedback with more downvotes should be deleted for being dislikable while others with good details did got deleted

starting to think that the mods can handle feedbacks very poorly to delete and keep, specifically sarcastic or bad feedbacks or the most downvoted being kept while does are considered “lashing” (thanks Meowtwo) are deleted. Even pointing it out wouldn’t help them.

[clear stump]

Feedback being downloaded doesn't constitute removal, it's not a poll
Users can agree or disagree, doesn't mean users decide whether it stays or no

And I've got a strong feeling that CMs are taking a more hands on approach to feedback

[gaunt vortex]

any results tho?

still that bad legend pass is available for some players while it was given in feedback when they started it

and thanks to this diference pass, the old/regular pass has its last reward in legend pass which can give a single bronze relic too

[hot tangle]

If you stopped playing the game then you know why you stopped playing the game and can give a feedback based on that. So the rule doesn't make any sense

[clear stump]

If its someone who's long stopped then I understand
But someone who just stopped then what's the point

[hot tangle]

Someone who just stopped knows why he stopped and can express that through a feedback

[clear stump]

Yes agreed but someone who's been a long time gone... 🤷‍♀️

What's the point

[grand haven]

I mean, like Existence said, you don't need to play the game to sometimes know what changes are awful and what are not

One could accumulate community reactions and make a point from there

[hot tangle]

Well I don't really know rn but I don't think someone that quit a long time ago actually wrote a feedback and I also don't think someone like that would even write a feedback

[clear stump]

There's a couple who quit not so recently who still write feedbacks

[sleek root]

No

[gilded eagle]

[foggy summit]

maybe other holidays in general like eid and hanukkah

[signal lance]

In reality basing monsters solely on religion is a bad idea in the sense that if done incorrectly many will be angry. And before you say "But we have angels and demons in the game" you have to understand that angels and demons have been actual rpg enemies for years now and essentially considered to be a norm in most rpg games that focus on magical stuff

[lean kelp]

We do have Christmas in the game

Which tbh has lost its Christian meaning over time and has moved to more marketable fantasy ideas rather than what it actually is about

I agree with Undead tho, adding monsters based on religions would lead to an upset with people wanting to be included/not wanting to be included, etc

[hot tangle]

Even though I am religious myself, I agree. I think religion is rather a personal thing and should not be added in some games or stuff like that

[foggy summit]

thats true

religion is just risky

[versed walrus]

Christmas has truly lost most of it's religious value and it celebrated by many non christians

Hanukkah is only celebrated by Jewish people though

[lyric coral]

Also American holidays like thanksgiving or 4th of July.

We had monsters related to religion and it upset people a lot like Gakora had to be renamed I think before it was Ganesha which is an Indian god figure

[versed walrus]

Yes, Ganesha an elephant god in Hinduism does look very similar to Gakora

[karmic fable]

TFW your feedback gets deleted 💀

We movin to clash of clans 😎

[hollow nova]

so @versed walrus you’re also having war crashes too

[versed walrus]

Have you been having them?

[hollow nova]

yeah

twice in the last week

[versed walrus]

My game keeps crashing during all@my war attacks recently

[hollow nova]

do you do all your attacks in 4x speed? i'm thinking of switching to 2x in future battles to see if that does anything

[modest dove]

@versed walrus why will the game be banned in europe???

[versed walrus]

Bc of the conjuring event

Games with stuff like that aren’t allowed last time I heard

[clear stump]

I think it was an EU proposal but never got anywhere.

Belgium also banned loot boxes or smth a few years back as part of their thing on gambling.

[slim sedge]

shame

[clear stump]

But as Socialpoint is a Spanish company. Do you not think they would have just... not implemented it?

Spain is in EU after all

[dark iris]

Also they can't promote it as a free mobile game if they include in-game purchases.
Another way to protect minors in Europe

[versed walrus]

They promote is as a free to play mobile game

[karmic fable]

It has to be promoted as a good game

But it isn't

[dark iris]

Imagine if america had standards

[clear lagoon]

wait if there's only one ancestor monster currently, how are people able to use more then one ancestor 🤔

[dark iris]

In the next seasons

[clear lagoon]

well they did put "PWEASEEEE" in all caps implying that they did encounter more then one though

[clear stump]

Maybe they freshly woke up from a nightmare about jt.

[karmic fable]

@gilded eagle
Regarding galactic and abyssals
If you want to chose them for rank up
You can chose their books
However, for some reason they chose to put their books way far into the right
Galactic has been there from the beginning to the far right and then abyssal era book was added recently to the far end of the right

[gilded eagle]

o i see ty, i just assumed it was to the left next to the others

[karmic fable]

I don't blame you
I also was assuming the same

But for some reason, they put them there

[rain spire]

its so infuriating that they placed the Galactic and Abyssal section all the way to the right

[karmic fable]

Totally agree

[rain spire]

@lyric coral could’ve mentioned that Zoomorphs, Elementals, and Wielders still have no usage besides free rewards and monsters with a lack of generic books and has those 3 would barely appear in a war restriction.

[lyric coral]

Most monsters are in books which aren’t usable. Even twd monsters some have 1 book and their element. But cost 300$

[lime ice]

You know Christmas as is celebrated by western world is an adaptation by Christian religion, the tree for example has nothing to do with Christianity

Holidays and memorial days are all used by most games so players spend extra on a game, nothing new there

[lean kelp]

[lime ice]

But it was not Christian to begin with
Not tree anyway 🙃

[lyric coral]

I think the game goes for events based on the majorities players real life events. Like 4th of July or thanksgiving is celebrated by a lot of players even it’s not a spanish or European holiday.

I was surprised there was nothing related to the World Cup but I guess it just didn’t fit in the winter theme and Christmas.

[foggy summit]

that’s true but we also didnt get any olympic monsters either

[lyric coral]

Unrelated but I love the lights around your profile pic 🤓

[foggy summit]

[clear stump]

The legendary PVP idea was suggested many times.

[signal lance]

And each time they just don't work well at all. What you will essentially have is the same teams running around which is Thalassa, Rag, and Santa or WildNeoVira

[foggy summit]

maybe legendary gmd is a better option, but with the same restrictions as og legendary gd (no wms, no wyrmlad, etc)

[clear stump]

@spare pine we have a channel for Monster ideas, please use that instead

[gilded eagle]

devs r not obligated to give gifts, so just at least appreciate them for givin somethin

[clear stump]

I don't get "increase breeding chance"

[foggy summit]

They probably mean an increase in breeding a specific monster but you can’t really do that

its only possible if there’s like a menu asking what monster you want to breed

[clear stump]

@delicate pebble how do you feel ROFL should be "balanced"
Remember he was balanced at the time of release and it became very apparent after a while that stronger monsters needed to be released to keep the meta evolving and the game alive

[gilded eagle]

monster cell week happens like monthly tho

idk why gotta be on new years

[gilded eagle]

prob more frequent than that idk

and self upvote momen 🤓

[delicate pebble]

So

He gets one shot by mythics and has too much cooldown on strong skills

I suggest to add better skills and lower CD

Also "Amaze Effects" is too weak, compared to other mythic monster's all target skills. buff amaze effects

Amaze effects should have moderate damage

[rain spire]

what.

So you’re saying buff up the skills

on LEGENDARY monsters

[delicate pebble]

To atleast compete with the meta

[rain spire]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-gif-20569409

[delicate pebble]

Ohh

It also applies a broken negative debuff on enemies

That one shots

[rain spire]

So.

To compete with the meta for legendaries

Instead of saying like buffing Legendary stats or lowering all the mythic stats to grow potential usage for Legendaries

Your solution is to give Legendaries better skills

[delicate pebble]

Yes?

[rain spire]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-bruh-smiling-drive-gif-15005835

bruh

[signal lance]

Skills are one thing but Stats and Relics are a whole different story

Just having those buffed skills isn't gonna make him compete with Mythics and this has been proven multiple times now from monsters like Korruptus and Wildbird who are insane in their own right being completely useless in the META

Like I kind understand what you mean but your logic of buffing old monsters are just not landing right and it would honestly be better to just make a new ROFL all together

[delicate pebble]

There are no ideas for a new R.O.F.L. tho

[signal lance]

Yes and that's because there isn't a theme that ROFL can realistically fit

Many monsters have a certain theme and ROFL doesn't have a theme that can fit an Era since ROFL's main theme is literally just a bunch of memes

[delicate pebble]

Meme Era

[foggy summit]

if we have a tech/cyber era maybe

but rofl should stay as he is 👍

[mystic kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-wall-talk-gif-5290288

https://tenor.com/view/again-and-again-and-again-arun-maini-mrwhosetheboss-over-and-over-again-repetitive-gif-20022275

^^^

These 2 gifs perfectly encapsulate #general-feedback

As it stands for the past 3 months

[signal lance]

Honestly I can see that happening but I swear if that thing has the ice age baby meme I am selling him

[foggy summit]

same

[rain spire]

would be worse with current memes

[slender fog]

Lmao imagine it's ultimate is Andrew tate running monsters over with his Bugatti

[rain spire]

or the ohio memes

[dark iris]

@bronze flicker
The game doesn't allow you to craft any myth monster you already have.
Their cells don't even show up in the list if you have the egg in the hatchery or storage

[modest dove]

That only goes for mythics tho.

[dark iris]

I know
It used to be the same case for legendary but it changed because ....reasons?

Maybe when ancestrals obliterate myths on a daily basis we could unlock copies for myths too?

[bronze flicker]

Yes, but it’s the endless list of legendary that becomes very time consuming to search through and see which ones we already have before crafting

[flint stone]

Please. Feedback. Read the channel description.

[dapper oyster]

@humble zephyr but it doesn’t even have artifact hater for the L8 fugitive it has mechanical hater

[humble zephyr]

Fixed it maybe

[signal lance]

@carmine sundial

[carmine sundial]

So then add it ??

[signal lance]

Legendary PvP will be the exact thing SP has tried to get rid of multiple times and has so many problems with it being dominated by 3 teams
Thalassa, Ragnarok, Santa
NeoWilVira
And the occasional Madam fusion team

[signal lance]

Multiple suggestions does not equal addition to the game. It's like how many could request a gem mine that gives you 50 gems a week can be requested many times and not get added back in

[carmine sundial]

Alr

That makes sense

[mystic kernel]

Bro thinks that SP even listens to that channel at all 💀

All staff have that on muted and hidden

Clearly

[slim sedge]

the community managers are the ones who look at the feedback and ideas channels

but it's not up to them whether sp adds something, even if loads of people are suggesting it

[rain spire]

@valid trail Galactics appear in discounts during a late season or next era in abyssal

[clear stump]

I don't think non-team chats ingame are a good idea

Especially when global worked so badly

[dapper oyster]

yea - have you ever had any chat with anyone on the internet

[echo verge]

how long will the voltaik cells be in monsterwood

[signal lance]

You can literally check by the timer on monster wood

[flint stone]

@golden mica Surely that is for Bugs reporting, or contacting in game support.

It’s not like you wrote any feedback.

Please place it in bugs.

[golden mica]

It’s on #bugs-reporting now

[flint stone]

Thank you.

[golden mica]

Just realise I messaged you last bounty about this problem

[echo verge]

Which of these 3 is better for attacking?

[cobalt horizon]

@echo verge wrong channel

[echo verge]

what is the channel?

[slim sedge]

not the one titled 'ideas and feedback discussion' which is about discussing ideas and feedback posted in #general-feedback and #submit-ideas

#ml-general-discussion is your best bet with any questions really

[gilded eagle]

very brain

@rustic pike #find-a-team-old #find-a-team these channels exist for a reason

[echo verge]

Until when will the griffania event be?

[slim sedge]

read the names of the channels

also I already said to ask in #ml-general-discussion

[clear stump]

@echo verge can you please read the channel name, this is #ideas-feedback-discussion, this is not a questions hub regarding game events and progress.

[dapper oyster]

The dodge area fugitive would be just as bad - we don't want a challenge, we want a fun event

[deep gyro]

Not really

Da fugi is easy

Make Ken not use his ult

[dapper oyster]

he has NER right?

or PER

something that ruins it

[deep gyro]

Just use don and you’re fine

Kenecro don George kills it easy

[dapper oyster]

what does george do

I only got him yesterday

meh, it's 4am i should sleep - got work today

[deep gyro]

Freeze hater + mega freeze

[flint stone]

Removed. Please add actual feedback.

The channel description explains. Thank you.

[idle reef]

I'm curious why the downvotes on idea: Pierce no longer bypasses damage mirror.
We all agree pierce is a problem right now. i think this is a small and subtle change that would help bring it back to a reasonable place.
@ancient skiff @foggy summit @rain spire

[rain spire]

bruh

bypass damage mirror

[gilded eagle]

🫥

[foggy summit]

i mean thats the entire point of pierce

[rain spire]

Is that the best thing you can come up with to “balance”

[idle reef]

the point of pierce is to bypass taunts

[gilded eagle]

🤡

cold blood exist bozo

[foggy summit]

id rather have pierce not bypass taunt/megataunt

[rain spire]

thats cold blood

[foggy summit]

makes it useless

[idle reef]

cold blood is a temp buff, where most pierces are attributes

[foggy summit]

damage mirror doesnt really change the problem of pierce

[gilded eagle]

???

[rain spire]

for me, not bypassing damage or elemental protections

[gilded eagle]

what is that even implying

[rain spire]

what

[foggy summit]

yeah i agree

[dapper oyster]

I wish coldblood did evasion

[foggy summit]

i wish cold blood did dodge area as well

[gilded eagle]

[dapper oyster]

yea, just taunt/mt/evasion/da

[rain spire]

i wish cb bypass daze immune as well

[idle reef]

so you guys would rather it not bypass taunts? I guess I'd be good with that alternative as well

[gilded eagle]

bro who is this clown

[dapper oyster]

pierce sounds like it should go through shield and armour

but it doesn't go through armour

cold blood sounds like your veins need a jacket

[foggy summit]

i would too

unfortunately nerfs arent common in general

[dapper oyster]

just bugs that introduce nerfs

did the curse bug ever get fixed

[foggy summit]

which one

the one where evasion prevents curse?

[dapper oyster]

where it would randomly not apply the next level at the end of the turn if the monster had a trait like hardened

even if it was trait disabled

[foggy summit]

ah

i think that was fixed

thats never happened to me

[dapper oyster]

it was noticable back in the gauntlet days

[foggy summit]

ah

yeah i didnt notice it because i didnt play for much of cosmic

[lime ice]

@hybrid egret
Emulators never have been supported as official devices and there is a good reason for that, so if you dont want to play on tablet or phone you can choose for windows but I think that doesn't have monsterwood

[clear stump]

@ornate mountain how do you propose the Ancestor should be obtained if not through just summons in conjuring
Incredibly vague idea

[ornate mountain]

i think it is just so weird that the only way you can obtain the strongest monster in the game is by luck

also the othe rmonsters that you can only get through conjuring. like in the other seasons i would only miss the 50 pass monster and the boounty hunt exclusive. now i miss so many monsters just because of luck. i think if sp wanted to they could easily come up with a way to get the monster without completely depending on luck. for example. Every 10 rolls give 20 ancestor cells for sure. or make the ancestor the tales monster, which is probably the hardest event. There are players that play a lot that dont have the monster and a player that is very lucky, and just starting the game can get the monster. it just doesnt make any sense

[rain spire]

Removing the luck factor makes no sense

thats the point of a gacha to get an ancestor

[ornate mountain]

okay, then sure, do it for the ancestor, but why also for 2 other mythics?!

and im completely fine with putting a monster behind a luck barrier, just put a random mythic monster there or something. not the monster that completely changes the game.

[rain spire]

what

also thats not even an idea

[ornate mountain]

yeah idk sorry, im just angry

usually i could get better by playing the game, now i cannot rank up any abyssals and not even get them all so there is just no progress

[clear stump]

Imo I'd take no gacha over the state its currently in
It's so bad that we have to rely on a very finite amount of chances especially when they're so low
No rusd is horrible and these glp tests are sickening

[ornate mountain]

i agree. the state of the game feels like they are gonna abandon the game and just trying to squeeze out the most money. i only got 25 rolls or something and the only way to get more is by paying (and even if you pay you have no clue if you are going to actually get something). The rusd made it feel rewarding to play the game everyday and be active, and at the moment it just doesnt really matter that much if you play or dont because you dont really get higher

[clear stump]

If it was a case of "these free mons were available this era get them now" I'd love it or "these player-favourites from last era are available with boosted odds", that's a great way to show off who uses what and give people a chance to learn what's meta maybe
Hell I even got Grynde this season who I sorely missed bc I don't lay
I didn't get 25 rolls I don't think on the Griffania conjuring and partly bc I don't play the game much now, there's no incentive for me personally and I'm happy to admit it
I got 20 cells of griffania and that's literally it
No rusd is just a kick to the teeth for everyone who plays

Sorry for all the edits and stuff but once again executed poorly

[ornate mountain]

its so sad to see that you dont play that much, as do a lot of players i think. I'm glad to see that i am not the only one so thank you for this. I hope they will make some positive changes and listen to the community.

[clear stump]

I log in once or twice daily lol

[clear stump]

Watchtower_guy best way to do that is just make a discord server

[karmic fable]

It is a good idea make rarity rules in team wars? If they do this, the legendary monsters would have again a small utility, or even the epic monsters. If you unlock a nemesis monster or a warmaster, at least it can be used for something

[clear stump]

No, it is not a good idea
You are asking for wars to be turn transfer based, back to speed meta otherwise you lose a coin instantly

Furthermore not every player has legendaries or below that they can use

[rain spire]

@karmic fable #monster-ideas

Have fun making your mythic Rag there

[idle reef]

Re: breeding/hatching/raking time
I'm about 3 months into this game and my crafting queue is at 107, and my rank-up queue is at 30.
Both are continuing to grow at a steady pace, even with occassional gem speed-up and slot rentals.

I'm all for some sort of solution to help with that.

[hot tangle]

wrong channel tho ig

[rain spire]

@long sky deleting other rarities from the game won’t allow beginners to start with the first 2 commons and play longer to get their first mythic 🗿

Srsly why would even come up with that to remove other rarities because everyone is using mythics

[clear stump]

The only mythic a level 10 player will be getting will be the Youtuber Breeding event monster

[dapper oyster]

perhaps they've been playing for 50 months

[slim sedge]

[long sky]

that was an exaggeration

[rain spire]

what

@long sky Can you explain your point on why even considering removing other mythics

because thats the hollowed point of creativity i’ve seen

[long sky]

thats not what i meant and it wasnt serious

i just feel like all the other monsters n stuff are just a thing of the past because everybody even new players just use mythics now

[weary plank]

then if it was just a joke, it's against the rules of the channel

read the channel description of #general-feedback

[weary plank]

Because Mythics are the meta right now

[slim sedge]

well duh why would anyone use legendaries over mythics most of the time

[long sky]

ok whatever

all i said was mythics were super easy to get for new players which doesnt make much sense tbh

[ancient skiff]

Ppl wouldn't start the game if it was hard to get them cos it'd be too grindy

[slim sedge]

tbh ml is grindy enough as is

[foggy summit]

^^

[deep gyro]

^^

[deep gyro]

Trading isn’t a good idea

[rain spire]

@flat garnet read pins

Plus i don’t think anyone won’t like a trading system besides you and any other player who is choosing to take a cheap path of getting monsters for free by trading

[flat garnet]

So you can get a egg you want for a egg they want

[rain spire]

yeah thats getting mythics easily compared to conjuring

Do you suffer that much skill issue from not getting more and / or good monsters that you deciding on an oversuggested and “easy” way for it is trading?

I don’t see how trading would be good other than taking a jab towards events and paying gems or money for a monster

[foggy summit]

only way i see trading working is with legendaries and below

[buoyant basin]

You were able to gift eggs to friends tho

Only thing is it was C rarity

[foggy summit]

[signal lance]

The new feedback just confuses me. It's literally impossible to make a character immune to being outdated. A new character is released and they have to do something new because if not they won't be used at all

[slim sedge]

thing is you can't make everything meta and you can't make one specific monster be the meta/best mon in a certain thing

[lean kelp]

They didn't nerf the race monster 💀

They fixed a typo in his skills

He never had the AoE Freeze

[solid mason]

Which means, whats the point with pushing in race
Or maze
Ot anything
Monsters are not good. You cant rank them up. Theres a pay wall or gamble wall on most stuff. Experienced ppl are leaving. Being leading a team is a pain. Cant motivate guys, cause theres nothing to do or to look forward to.
Feedback is being provided, all changes go the other way.
Im lost for words.
My feedback on feedback is, yeah, valid points all around, not listened to.

[lean kelp]

Not much we can really do to change

I assume CMs are relaying feedback to SP, but SP will only change what they want to change

Even if what they want to change is causing the active player base to plummet by the season

[lime ice]

They can also read for themselves in feedback

[rain spire]

@crimson lynx late player momen + read pins

[river ginkgo]

Who's the best breedable mythic

[clear stump]

This isn't a gameplay questions channel, please don't use it for that.

[river ginkgo]

I typed here on accident sorry. Honestly I was so confused cause I knew I typed, but couldn't find it anywhere

[clear stump]

Haha, happens

[crimson lynx]

?

[rain spire]

Your idea was already removed

[clear stump]

Hatching Guardian is a massively oversuggested idea that's been wanted for years.

[crimson lynx]

Oh

[crimson lynx]

Im not late took a break for 5 years during legend era

Returned when it was late galactic

[rain spire]

ahh

[buoyant basin]

If RUSD exists we rank current era monsters and prev era monsters are unuseable and blame SP that prev era monsters are no more usable in current era
If RUSD is unavailable we still blame SP that we can't rank current era monster and say we don't wanna use prev era monsters

Typical ML players

(And yes I like RUSD too)

[slim sedge]

doomed monsters are still in the top meta we need previous eras to become bad at this point

but instead sp is just releasing mid eras with bad monsters

[solid mason]

Well they cant become bad, as rusd and urusd are so limited, and new generations are bad to average monsters, based on dollars or gaming, with no rank up options. I cant count the number of griffanias I killed in war, and once LORD VALGAR got her. Lol. But I see your point and give you thumbs up. You make so much sense.

[clear stump]

Lord Valgar?

[karmic fable]

Probably meant Sir Valgar

[clear stump]

Was gonna say, did he get a galactic era promotion 🤣

[dark iris]

Unconfirmed leaks?!

[lime ice]

Lol i just read some of the feedback

Im surprised most isnt removed

Demanding stuff isnt feedback and is useless 😂

[hot tangle]

true

also begging and asking isnt really feedback

well maybe but still useless

[lime ice]

Nope agreed

[hot tangle]

bc no one listens

[lime ice]

The feedback is read
And they know how players feel about rusd

That doesn't mean sp sees the need to "fix" (its not broken) rusd

Like INU that doesnt mean dont understand the complaints about it

[hot tangle]

no matter if we type "fix" or not

nothing helped yet

[lime ice]

As long as SP dont see the need to reverse or to change the current rusd it wont happen

[hot tangle]

sp will start doing it once it realizes that they have just hundred players that are still playing

[lime ice]

But the opposite is true, the game is growing global

[hot tangle]

hmm, makes no sense to me but i can live with it i guess

its not that my whole life depends on a game, i can stop and play ml whenever i want and so will do many players, even the good ones, they will just quit and thats it

[lime ice]

As long as the game is on social media, players said the game will certainly die now (after big changes most) ml is one of the oldest mobile games out there

[hot tangle]

true

but now it seems to really die, adding changes that make no sense

just considering the fact that even top teams had to merge because they were lacking on players

[lime ice]

That all has been said before
And someday it will happen as all things end but for now it looks like it doesnt

[hot tangle]

i mean sp also tries to make us keep playing

by announcing new events or making a cell converter poll

but they kinda bring it over to us that we get so hyped and in the end it is some event that is not great

[lime ice]

No you make yourself keep on playing .
those above things are important to players that play for a longer time, for others newer players its not

[hot tangle]

thats some mind games they do

they send a poll about cell converter

of course we get hyped

but this is just a way to make us keep playing and wait for it

[lime ice]

If you think its a trick you are the one falling for it

Ive been around for a long time and I really dont think its a trick they pull bit thats my opinion

[hot tangle]

nope im not falling for it, the only reason i still play is because of friends

they made me come back

and i dont believe we will have the cell converter

at least not in near future

[lime ice]

Im sure they work on some kind of solution wheather its a converter or something else, problem is that it isnt that simple, it will create a bigger gap between groups of players

My status on discord says it all 🙃

[hot tangle]

🤷‍♂️

we will see how things go i guess

[buoyant basin]

[lime ice]

As always yes we will see

[lime ice]

Hi 🍀

[buoyant basin]

Hi 👋

[buoyant basin]

True

Oh I shouldn't be here have exam in few hours 😅😂

[lime ice]

Go concentrate 🍀

[buoyant basin]

Yep on it 😊

[lime ice]

Good 💚

[rain spire]

@hushed pebble Why are you posting that video in #submit-ideas out of all places

[rain spire]

Have you ever read the definition of an “idea”

[hushed pebble]

“This channel is to submit ideas and suggestions”

Are you saying it isn’t a suggestion?

[rain spire]

you posted a question regarding a name bug where it resets

[hushed pebble]

That’s not a bug, the naming menu is just badly done

[rain spire]

And i suppose that was part of your recent idea before that video was on there (then deleted)

[hushed pebble]

What I’m saying is, a monster can be named something longer than the character limit, but you yourself can’t type that name because of said character limit

[rain spire]

hm

[dapper oyster]

how?

ah you mean the default name

[lime ice]

And this is the problem you want to get fixed? Out of all other things🧐

[clear stump]

I mean I'm not conplaining
Something different t complain about at least haha

[lime ice]

Well its a change from rusd to that, but i somehow think most players still want rusd to be "fixed"

Also see sarcasm is a hit in feedback 🙃

[clear stump]

I wonder why you think that

[lime ice]

I thought my write-up was gone but it isnt 🤣

[hollow nova]

does mando just not care about the no sarcastic feedback

[flint stone]

Obviously not.

[lime ice]

Or he hasn't read the discription of the channel 😇

[flint stone]

@karmic fable What is this in feedback for?

[karmic fable]

I want to know how good he is

[flint stone]

Well, you don’t ask in feedback…..

🤔

Ask in appropriate channel please.

[rain spire]

Thats not how #general-feedback is used

[karmic fable]

What channel would I ask

[flint stone]

How about #monster-discussion

Or just the #ml-general-discussion

[karmic fable]

Ok

[hushed pebble]

Honestly, yeah

[lime ice]

Well good luck and as said by isa its refreshing i guess

[signal lance]

So Slumpty actually does have an interesting point. Why do we have 2 Breeding temples but only 1 Hatchery. Well this is an issue itself with it contributing to the already insane spacing issue but this also brings the question of how expensive would its upgrading be and how would this effect the GLP. One can argue that having 9 hatching spots is amazing but realistically unless you are heavily participating in breeding events or are in an insanely active race team you don't need 9 hatching spots and 10 is over kill and this also brings the question of how expensive would it be since the hatchery is definitely gonna cost gems like the Ultra tree and is gonna cost gems to upgrade and the current one already cost 340 to max out so you could be spending 600+ gems on 4 other hatchery spots that will only see usage in high tier racing and breeding events are an entirely different problem with you spending hundreds if not thousands of gems just to get nothing and your 600+ hatchery now just sits there clogged

[clear stump]

@frosty cobalt could you specify what you think should happen to the unwanted cells please. It's not uncommon to have unwanted cells but being vague isn't great.

[frosty cobalt]

for example exchange them for other resources

ex: 100 mythic cells -> 1 gem

or something similar

[clear stump]

Then include this in #submit-ideas

[frosty cobalt]

ok

[dapper oyster]

@sour schooner dragging things around requires the app to be full screen

[sour schooner]

Hmm... I'll see if that makes a difference and I'll let you know 🙂 . Thanks!

[dapper oyster]

that's not windows app specific - if you split screen android the same happens

[sour schooner]

Still the same

😅

Let me try another mouse

Nope

Still the same

[dapper oyster]

shouldn't be - the only issue with dragging stuff around is that it takes the mouse position from where it is on the screen, not where it is in the window

[sour schooner]

Hmm.. IDK then, i'll start in full screen and see if it makes a difference

Alright so that checks one issue off the screen. @dapper oyster I noticed that once you get out of full screen, you can't drag anymore

[dapper oyster]

should be fine while it's full screen even if you go back to it

[sour schooner]

Yeah but once you get out of full-screen as in windowed mode, it starts disturbing movement.

Wait a sec

I guess my game glitched at that time

It seems to be working this time around

[clear stump]

@pearl moon island designs change every era, and habitat designs were renewed prob 4 years ago

I think habitat designs are fine as they are rn

[solid mason]

Unless we can make islands bigger lol. Just wishful thinking. Design as such, I have no issue.

[pearl moon]

Ok

[lime ice]

@clear lagoon thats more of an idea than its feedback imo

[clear stump]

Yes agreed

There's no feedback there as to what's wrong, just changes

[lime ice]

I mean i totally understand the problem of having the cells beyond a r5 mythic but the "feedback" just start directly with a solution and this problem already was there before the summoning event and adressed by many players, sure a solution of exchanging against tickets is tailored on this event but a converter is what is wanted by most I believe

[clear stump]

@karmic fable submit your monster ideas in #monster-ideas please

[karmic fable]

Oh ok

[lime ice]

@untold trellis I dont see thats as feedback
If you feel disrespected, you should draw your conclusions

[clear stump]

Mari try not to be mod challenge (impossible) 😱🤣

[untold trellis]

nahh I think I will leave it there cause 11 ppl liked it lol

[lime ice]

Well what you want its not feedback tho

[lime ice]

Cant help myself feedback was a bit of my baby

[clear stump]

🤣:isahearts:

Huh did my emoji die

Oh ig no global emoji here

[lime ice]

Or your nitro 🤣

[grand haven]

That's it, you're losing your nitro privileges

[clear stump]

My nitro still exists

[untold trellis]

Well yeah it looks like it lol

[lime ice]

🍀

[buoyant basin]

That's something won't be possible ever

[buoyant basin]

I have a feeling soon #general-feedback will be a busy channel 😌

[slim sedge]

don't just assume

[buoyant basin]

[flint stone]

😮

[buoyant basin]

All I see about race ideas are common which are being asked for years now

[clear stump]

Yep

Wonder if it'll ever even happen

[slim sedge]

we can only hope

[clear stump]

Certainly more important than "Quest Completed!" imo

[slim sedge]

that got removed btw

if only they would revert other changes that quickly

[clear stump]

By choice or because it was bugged 🤷‍♀️

[slim sedge]

was it bugged?

all I remember is it existing, people complaining then it getting removed

[lime ice]

So here am again in mod mode
But it really is sad to see Feedback becomes a reaction/discussion channel

[clear stump]

Agreed

@vestal helm when responding to feedback please use this channel, #general-feedback isn't to be used for discussion or response

[dapper oyster]

it popped up every time you logged on

[hollow nova]

how was there a paywall on skydkold

[dapper oyster]

the amount of gems used to get a high rank cost somebody money

even if you did a task for the gems that's just someone else paying for it

[hollow nova]

you can get r5 tales without money tho

[dapper oyster]

if you save up for like 3 months

or watch monsterwood for tokens, which is other people's money again

[lime ice]

Isnt that how a business works, money has to be made, paychecks has to payed?

[buoyant basin]

Doing task is indirectly paying SP

That's how Business cycle works

[clear stump]

Comes at no financial cost to the user at least

If you don't want SP to benefit then never do tasks, surveys, ads, just £0.99 gem purchase and keep playing without ever "paying"

[buoyant basin]

^^

[clear stump]

Or better yet don't play I guess

[buoyant basin]

That's the only hard thing in ML

[wooden thunder]

thats just so easy smh

[buoyant basin]

[lime ice]

Hey @subtle pollen 🍀

Tho I totally understand your feedback about Legendary cells and Mythic cells, its a problem for OG like us and not for newer players

That naturally doesnt mean its not a problem, because it is. Hopefully the converter will show up or rewards should be based on monstagram, like at least no Legendary cells if you have x out of all Legendary in Monstagram 🍀

[lime ice]

You should be asleep 🤣

[buoyant basin]

Gotta study today exam

[lime ice]

Go study 🍀

[buoyant basin]

Yep Was making coffee so checked discord 😅

[dapper oyster]

sure, perhaps we should be paying $100 per bigmac because mcdonalds has to make money

[lime ice]

Look if you want to pay 100 dollar for a product thats up to you, no guns to your head so dont make it into something it isnt

[dapper oyster]

just proving that "the business has to make money" is baseless

[clear stump]

Well it's not a non-profit charity lol

[lime ice]

No its not a business has to make money
They have employees that have families, houses, bills to pay

A mobile game is a business and the players choose how much they want to pay for a product and how they want to pay

[dapper oyster]

lol

the players don't get to choose how much they pay - they pay the set price or they don't

and the set price is a joke

[lime ice]

The decide if they are f2p and invest their time or pay for the wanted item

[hollow nova]

the thing about Stalker’s feedback is that you can’t have everything you roll in a gacha game/event be useful

that’s like a part of it

[clear stump]

I mean you sort of can

25 cells of old legendary is not useful to me

And given the amount of tickets we can get per month its arguably too low

[slim sedge]

it is

especially compared to other gachas

I've played 3 other gacha games and all of them have been way more generous with their equivalent of tickets

[clear stump]

Maybe I'll get back into FEH to see how they treat their players, I hear its very P2W with a lot of power creep too 🤣😬

[slim sedge]

[lime ice]

Well i can imagine that the rewards are beneficial to a part of the players group else why would players keep on playing now gotcha seems the only way to get monsters besides maybe bh

[lean kelp]

Breeding events

Chests

[subtle pollen]

it's beyond frustrating, 4/5 legendary cells and 1/5 some old monster cells ...second month, still no ancestor, not even cells for useful Mythics to replace the loss from RUSD ....it's annoying AF :P, nice to see you back tho' 😄 missed ya 😄

[subtle pollen]

so i guess it's just me being very unlucky to get legendary cells and getting annoyed by it when the ancestors are "supposed" to be ranked with their own cells which supposedly be gotten from the friggin gatcha ...well...i don't even have an egg..not cells to rank it lol...but fine...it's just me , y'all enjoy your ancestors and the saga that comes with it , i'll be in the corner enjoying my wyrmlad cells 😉

[hollow nova]

i think people are missing my point but whatever

also my luck is as bad as yours

at one point i had wyrm cells from like 4 out of 6 5x rolls

[subtle pollen]

i don't want everything to be useful, i do understand the concept, however...the pool needs an improvement and the odds , i'm happy for the lucky peeps that got something out of it but this is my experience with it and my feedback 🤷‍♀️

[ancient forum]

Pls ik i alr put it in monster ideas but i rlly want to see a monster of mine in the game

[lime ice]

I think the concept should change depending on where you are in game

It has totally no use to frustrate og players with useless rewards

[rain spire]

#monster-ideas Isnt a submission channel to be in ml

Also why is it in #submit-ideas

[ancient forum]

Oops

[signal lance]

SP isn't gonna make it

[clear stump]

Also no need to post it 5 times

[ancient forum]

Bro sorry at least im trying hard

[clear stump]

Work smarter not harder

@thick pendant iirc they mentioned that more monsters were going to have multiple elements at start of Blossom Era as they wanted them to have greater influence in play, which is when they changed the elemental advantage damage multiplier thingy

Unfortunately the forum post is inaccessible and they didn't make that lost post available on the helpshift section ingame either.

[thick pendant]

Ah, ok. Thanks for the info :)

[lime ice]

@golden pollen so why dm why not describe what you mean

Also and I hope this very obvious advertising and fixing bugs are two different disciplines and arent handled by same people in any company

The bh crash was a server that gone down and was fixed in an hour, things like that happen and when it happens it wont be fixed by the one that does advertising

[dapper oyster]

they mean bh fights crashing when using zenfira

this is the third BH it's been present in

[lime ice]

Still not handled by the one thay does advertising

[dapper oyster]

yea, but it hasn't been fixed in 2 months

[lime ice]

Well i guess its a difficult problem

[dapper oyster]

@echo oxide you can login to facebook on windows

and it's already up to date with the mobile versions

[dapper oyster]

@sour schooner clearing cache would make that worse - it's downloading all the game data that it needs, clearing cache gets rid of all the game data it already downloaded

[sour schooner]

Idk but it worked for me yesterday. But it's still very frustrating, especially for a leader.

[dapper oyster]

it's files downloading from amazon cloud, not really much they can do about it, it's your connection

[golden pollen]

Its a video that showed that you can breed a mythic with 2 commons and said it was “so strong” but its corrupted

[lime ice]

So cant you breed it?

[slim sedge]

[grand haven]

Truly one of the ads of all time

[dark iris]

Wasn't Oliphantic one of the quest monsters back in 2021?
You know, those you could get using pandakens or greenasaurs?

Maybe the examples used in an example are wrong but the mechanics are always the same

[foggy summit]

Quest monsters are only bteedable with legendaries or mythics

YouTubers are breedable with pandaken and greenasaur i think

[dark iris]

OK
Is Oliphantic a YTer monster?

[foggy summit]

Nope

Could be considered false advertising but it’s also like that in the App Store/Google Play

[dark iris]

Maybe a misleading ad but because it doesn't cost money to play I don't think anyone could sue them for false advertising

[foggy summit]

Yeah it’s just a little misleading

[buoyant basin]

[lime ice]

I have to say most games are not as advertised, like that fish game i cant remember the name they advertise with all those cool puzzles but you hardly ever get one

Same as an angry birds game i played

Its not an excuse but its done by many

[dark iris]

Seriously, like 87.5% of the games announced in MW are literally puzzle games but they are advertised as something completely different

[lime ice]

We all get different ads

I mean region but also based on your age

[dark iris]

I know
That's why I only mentioned games

[lime ice]

The games are also based on that

[dark iris]

If you say so

[lime ice]

For instance its based on age
No promotion for games that have age restrictions if you are below that age

[dark iris]

Yeah but I'm not restricted

[lime ice]

Lol im not saying that
I say games as well as ads for other stuff is based on different things
Like age and country you are in

[dark iris]

I know
You aren't really saying anything we don't already know

[buoyant basin]

Mari | Mod when

[lime ice]

Lol

[slim sedge]

Misitors Of Doom

[lime ice]

What's a Misitor? And yes I would be the doom of some 🤣

[grand haven]

Ministry of doom

[slim sedge]

a Visitor but M

[modest dove]

Misery of doom

[buoyant basin]

[lime ice]

Ooh definetly would cause misery to some 🥰

[ancient forum]

Ayo can i post monster ideas here for FEEDBACK cuz this is the FEEDBACK channel?

Sorry for insisting

[rain spire]

You’re that one guy who only wants attention over a simple monster idea

[ancient forum]

5 ideas

Cuz im perseveiring

I rlly hope sp to see my ideas! I wont give up, even if i need to go to spain

[rain spire]

Its not a bloody submission channel

[ancient forum]

Ok sorry

[cobalt horizon]

Read the channel rules.

[ancient forum]

Yes ok sorry my bad

[slim sedge]

you'll to work for them for that

[signal lance]

Yeah SP will never take monster ideas from us unless they host a community monster design contest.

Copyright is a frightening thing to deal with and no company whether big or small wants that on their plate for even a second

[slim sedge]

tbh there should be an actual channel for submitting monster ideas and the description is something like "everything posted here is fair use for anyone to use and cannot be copyright claimed"

I know it'd never happen though

[lean kelp]

Just post them in #monster-ideas and SP can take them for inspiration

Don't think they have ever or will ever take an entire monster idea for the game unless they hold another drawing/skillset creation contest

[ancient forum]

I alr posted in the channel but btw thanks

[signal lance]

They have at one point but the creator did some stuff and now the monster that they made and took inspiration from is now gone

Oh wait nvm I miss read

[lime ice]

There was one in the past, but it gave a lot of trouble with the creator and some others

[signal lance]

Yeah. It was the inspiration for Ragnarok iirc

[lime ice]

It was more complicated

[buoyant basin]

No recent feedbacks

[clear stump]

https://tenor.com/view/palla-deserto-desert-hot-gif-6014273

[clear stump]

@golden mica you say monster wiki, which wiki? The wikis aren't managed by socialpoint

[buoyant basin]

@ancient forum ^^

[clear stump]

@ancient forum please use this channel to respond to messages in #submit-ideas and #general-feedback , keeps thise channels clear of clutter and keeps everything there relevant

[buoyant basin]

@vestal helm congratulations your feedback is heard and they will provide 100 cells now

[golden mica]

I meant this 😂

Monster gram and breeding element selection

[buoyant basin]

Ah

[clear stump]

Ohhh 🤣

I think it's just the order they were implemented years ago

[rain spire]

yeah

[slim sedge]

it was

[rain spire]

metal was the last element added

[slim sedge]

new element when

[rain spire]

i see air as a potential

but its better off with no new elements

[slim sedge]

do a dragon city and make like 6 new elements that don't interact with the ones we already have at all

instead they're only strong/weak to each other

[golden mica]

It’s always bothered me 🤣

[clear stump]

Lol fair

[vestal helm]

woo

[clear stump]

Ngl OmegaVoidz is wrong when they say "we didn't want this change"

Obviously it's not top priority on the playerbase wishlist but I haven't heard a single person say put it back to 60 cells

[tired inlet]

It’s useless even for the beginner players tbh. Nowadays it’s extremely easy to get mythical monster, so getting one more(absolutely garbage) mythic by logging in for a month does literally nothing

The better change would be scaling bonuses

It’s laughable how they give you like 50k food for logging in, when you already have millions

The same thing for gold, cells runes and etc

That 100 cell change would work only if there was a new monster in this calendar

Then even if it’s trash(like most of the new ones), collectors like me would still have motivation to log in everyday

[clear stump]

To be fair it is good for collection given it offers monsters who haven't been openly available for a while, and now it offers mythics it's helpful for gold too
But within 5 months between starting and getting the proper calendar I don't think the gpm matters much if the new player is smart

[dark iris]

"SP acknowledges doing repetitive actions is annoying"
Yay! We'll finally buy cells in batches!
We get random tasks to mess with an easy routine to get points

Is this what they think we wanted after weeks of asking for fixing the legend pass?
Or is it deliberated to ruin each and every aspect of the game?

[karmic fable]

This game is so bad i feel like i am just wasting time playing it, there is no place for free to play players to be good it's a pay to win centered game that takes no skills it's just a competition between who is willing to spend more money, there is tons of bugs pvp matchmaking is the worst ever i lose every game and when i win my game crashes its impossible to rank up and this game been like this but no one cares to fix it bc as long as you guys are making money you're happy and its so annoying bc the community just going to get smaller n smaller over time the top players will always be the same one and there is no diversity, people come on this discord to complain everyday and there is still no change its kinda sad tbh 🚶‍♂️

[clear stump]

Regarding feedback from ICF-Soft, the Scrolls were used to win battles for Bronze Relic Chests from the get go, with a roulette containing Quest Mon cells and an extra scroll. I have no issue with the scrolls being exchanged for Bronze relics, I have an issue with the exchange rate which is largely disappointing. 1:1 when the dungeon was something like 12:75, or approx 1:6

[wooden thunder]

but why?

[solid mason]

I do agree. What is one bronze relic nowadays. They are only food for other relics anyway. I dont think many ppl will actually swap them, no point. Just like bronze relic in ancestral chests, who would just make the effort? When were bronze relics even something we would cheer for. 1:6 would have been a fair deal. We want something exciting about the game and are just banging our heads on walls.

[lime ice]

The designer however talented he was, also had a very difficult character

[clear stump]

I remember them being banned lol

[wooden thunder]

oh

[lime ice]

He was a friend at one time but lets say his ego was bigger than he valued the friendship

[wooden thunder]

this is how SP is now lol

they perfer ego over community

[karmic fable]

true

[wooden thunder]

so true should see that one math game for kids wth most of the thing being money locked

[lime ice]

He wasnt from sp he was a player

[wooden thunder]

oh

[signal lance]

@karmic fable Anticipation immune is broken

Put that on an ET spammer and watch him go ham

[karmic fable]

Some monsters are just too fast for anticipation monsters tho, it's realistic

[signal lance]

Realistic doesn't mean anything in a game play standpoint

[karmic fable]

I believe in reality, so I usually make monsters realistic.

[signal lance]

Just because Volt can move faster than light doesn't mean he gets to invalidate his one reliable counter

[karmic fable]

you need a reality check. He's faster than light, so it makes sense he's immune to anticipation. I like making monsters more realistic but you do you ig

[signal lance]

Dude we are looking at this in a game play standpoint and I am here explaining why it wouldn't be balanced in the game

Sure you like making mons realistic good you do you but that still doesn't make it good to create something that makes an entire class of mons broken

[karmic fable]

Why wouldn't it be balanced?

[signal lance]

Because it invalidates the only reliable counter to ET

[karmic fable]

stamina drain, evasion exists

other ways to counter ET

[signal lance]

Stamina drain - Relics
Evasion - Teams pack a crap tone of PER

[karmic fable]

anticipation - Shadowyna

[signal lance]

Name the other ways to counter ET and I can bet that the teams ET mons are used in have a counter

[karmic fable]

you have anticipation, so what? Monsters are gonna trait disable

[signal lance]

Not against a King Atum + Galv which is used in the high leagues

[karmic fable]

phantom, baby reversion

[signal lance]

Phantom - only Grimhild has it
Baby reversion - No one has it reliably

You have to land a random control just to get a chance at baby reversion and even then you will still have to go through the protection that the ET mon will have

MT/Taunt? Guess what ET's destroy that.
Damage Mirror? Tanks absorb the damage
Shields? PER

[karmic fable]

another counter: Deny/kill the ET

[signal lance]

Deny - No one uses deniers
Kill the ET - Goodluck trying

[karmic fable]

just wait until the ET runs out of stamina

[signal lance]

When mons have health stats over 600k you have to start thinking on how to kill them

[signal lance]

You will be dead before then

No mon is tanky enough to survive an ET assault

[karmic fable]

Lots of people have serpentex, so killing DV isn't an issue

[signal lance]

DV is not who I am talking about

[karmic fable]

Another counter: Pierce attackers

[signal lance]

We are talking about Redeemed Volt the newest one. The one who is well known to solo unprepared teams

[karmic fable]

ah ok

[signal lance]

Again good luck out speeding Redeemed Volt

[karmic fable]

shadowyna + pierce attacker

[signal lance]

Anticipation

[karmic fable]

tortures

can kill the et

[signal lance]

The META DV team is literally K9/Fropsi/Skydold, RV, Lumoona

[signal lance]

NER

[karmic fable]

seven sins

volcanyx's trap

[slim sedge]

I use k9 shadow lv and it works great

[signal lance]

No one uses 7 sins in todays META or Volk trap

[slim sedge]

shadow can even waste usages of damaging relics with her ets

and she can resurrect herself with essence

[karmic fable]

now that I think about if they added reverse healing they should add reverse stamina (if you try to regen stamina it will take away stamina)

[signal lance]

Good luck applying that to RV

[karmic fable]

what about shock + NEP

or shock if they cant ner fast enough

[signal lance]

2 mons have NEP and none have Shock

Not only that they would still have to out speed Lumoona

[karmic fable]

thunder beast exists

[signal lance]

Lumoona and Kiridars Horn exist

You know Lumoona and Kiridars horn right? You know the way to make sure not even NEP can stop a Volt

[tired inlet]

Daily challenge for legendary pass that requires you to make 3 rare monsters in lab is absolutely ridiculous

I basically have monster there 24/7

How am i supposed to do this quest

[signal lance]

I don't have a problem with it

[karmic fable]

skill issue

[karmic fable]

Urchinion exists, he has cold blood AND can deny

[signal lance]

No one uses Urchion

Not only that you would have to give Urchion 2 Turns since his Cold blood is a setup move and DV has Evasion

[rain spire]

@covert geyser do rusd to rank

[lean kelp]

That moment when no Abyssal RUSD

[rain spire]

along with not saying anything close with abyssals

[buoyant basin]

[covert geyser]

I do it's not enough cuase by the time u rank em up there out of meta or are slowly creeping out

[foggy summit]

we dont need anti immune

we’re already fine with per and td

[signal lance]

Not to mention how broken that would be on an ET spammer

[clear stump]

I think dumb rock forgets DC exists

[clear stump]

I dont get that latest feedback tbh

They dis't put quest mons in mw did they? Only the current pass mon and previous months pass mon, as well as yt event mon

If titanbolt is in mw wouldn't that be bc he's previous era lol

[ancient skiff]

He was in mw at some point I swear?

[clear stump]

Maybe it was
I never noticed

[dark iris]

I think it was very short, just a day (I couldn't get enough cells)
Unlike VR or other mons with multiple days

[wooden thunder]

dude cupid teams can go hands on light volt

and i still don't understand why volt needed to win this year monster award when serp and uriel are better then volt in most ways🤦‍♂️

[signal lance]

Shadow, Cupid, K9 sure but Shadow + Cupid is a no go with the amount of PER Lum gives

And if needed Horn or even Aura's cape can take care of the DOT's

[wooden thunder]

point still stands

[karmic fable]

BURN!!!!!! ARGUMENT LOST

nice going @wooden thunder

[signal lance]

[inland meadow]

he was in mw during his breeding event

it was only a day long and I only reaped 80 of his cells from it

[gilded eagle]

ah yes, submitting bug in feedback instead of a bug channel

🧠

[clear stump]

What dies it mean by viable again
It's gotta be viable it's just unused lol

[slim sedge]

I'll be honest I have no clue what you're on about

[clear stump]

Latest idea

[slim sedge]

oh you said 'what dies it mean' and I didn't see that as a typo

[clear stump]

Lol

[clear stump]

@karmic fable @tulip fern use this channel for responding to #general-feedback messages please.

[karmic fable]

ah

[lime ice]

@vestal helm you really should read the description of feedback, asking questions is not feedback

And if you dont want to buy just dont buy

Sorry @clear stump I couldent help myself but I will learn 😇

[clear stump]

💥🔨 bonk

I do agree it's a silly offer tho

[lime ice]

It is naturally, who would buy it but thats like so many offers in ML or anywhere else
People always should use their head when spending money

[buoyant basin]

Told ya you can never stop her

[clear stump]

🤣

[buoyant basin]

Isa role in danger @lime ice

[lime ice]

Isa is my protector from falling into mod trap

[buoyant basin]

Nah he just wants to save her role 😂

But its almost impossible to keep you away 😅

[lime ice]

Its an addiction i fall back some times

[buoyant basin]

ML related addictions are hardest to leave

[lime ice]

They sure are, I just love ML 💚

[buoyant basin]

I can't say the same But I love ML people 😅

[vestal helm]

rhetorical questions

[lime ice]

Doesn't matter still a question
Its like sarcasm avoid it
Its easy to formulate feedback without using (rhetorical) questions or sarcasm etc

If you want to waste time on a silly deal

You could have said that in your opinion the elem deal is a waste of time and effort and nobody in their right mind would even consider to buy it

Very critical feedback and following the rules

[buoyant basin]

Ngl there would be someone who might just buy to rank all L r5

Matter of chances

[clear stump]

300 won't get you to even r3

And buying that same deal 3 times if you gave glp will get you what, just below r4 for one mon

[lime ice]

Ok say you want a r5 leg would this be the best way to do as isa points out very expensive to do for a leg

[buoyant basin]

I mean someone somewhere would do

I have seen many types of crazy people in ML 😅

[lime ice]

Well I guess you are right it takes all kind 🤣

[clear stump]

I haven't taken a Legendary to r5 in a year 🙃

[cobalt horizon]

I have, several.

But there are a lot of different people playing, which is why feedback should be personal. Not everyone feels the same.

[buoyant basin]

Yep
Mama likes hoarding and I like opening we all got different opinions

[lime ice]

I love different opinions

[karmic fable]

I love unpopular opinions

[clear stump]

@golden mica use this channel to respond to messages you see on #submit-ideas please.

[sudden bison]

positive feedbacks? those dont happen often

[karmic fable]

nah bro, those never happen

[clear stump]

@lime ice I'm going to minimod you now
Use this channel for responding to messages you see in #submit-ideas

🤣

[lime ice]

Lol i know already deleted 😜

[clear stump]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-you-i-see-what-you-did-there-i-see-you-i-see-watching-you-gif-20270568

[lime ice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/805418712286232606.gif?v=1

[clear stump]

🤣

[gilded eagle]

bruh this is a turned based game, not timed

[signal lance]

I tried telling him that and he wouldn't listen

[karmic fable]

it'll be cool tho

[signal lance]

Cool does not mean practical

[slim sedge]

in this case, cool doesn't even mean cool

[foggy summit]

imagine it on 4x

[clear stump]

They take up a lot of room to be giving that passive gym badge higher level wild pokemon will obey you effect

That made me giggle

[karmic fable]

that's so cool, they should add it 100%

[signal lance]

Shadow I really have no clue as to why you refuse to understand the explanation on why it won't make sense

[karmic fable]

It would make sense wdym

and it's cool

[lean kelp]

It doesn't make sense at all

[karmic fable]

why

[lean kelp]

Why is it time-based

Why is it both a positive and negative effect

How does the "Enemies lose 20% a second" even work

Timing-based effects just don't work in this turn-based game

[karmic fable]

basically every second that lapses in this game, they will lose 20% stamina.

[lean kelp]

So if I use the effect, and I sit there for 5 seconds, all the enemies now have 0 stamina?

[karmic fable]

yes

[lean kelp]

Why does the effect last 15 seconds then

[karmic fable]

Canonly, Made in Heaven can accelerate time forever. But that would too op

so 15 seconds

when the enemy recharges, they will still be losing 20% stamina

[lean kelp]

So basically it's incredibly unbalanced

Since it removes CDs on your allies, couldn't you just spam the effect and not let the enemies even attack

[karmic fable]

Ok I didn't think about that, maybe I need to nerf the effect a bit

[signal lance]

Also wouldn't it be more practical to literally just use 100% stamina drain moves

[foggy summit]

we already have stamina leak

unless u can turn ur effect from timebased unto turnbased its basically broken

[karmic fable]

alr alr

[clear stump]

@regal needle please don't post the same thing in both ideas channel and feedback channel

[regal needle]

Sorry

[clear stump]

Love seeing more and more repeats of race log idea

[clear stump]

@small sable why? It helps for Breed Legendary tasks. Guaranteed L/M when you need it rather than getting epics from permacombo

[small sable]

because i have no hatcher spots free cause i want the breeding event monsters

so i cant do any quest

[signal lance]

That is not a reason at all

[clear stump]

That's your problem not the games
Learn to not clog your hatchery slots during race

[ancient skiff]

Breeding event during race is so useful oml don't put bad thoughts into sp heads

[clear stump]

Personally I think a dedicated legendary-only event would be great, running alongside a legendary+mythic event simultaneously
L only event could feature some mons people want ie Lazarbeam. Zenfira. And more
M and L could be favourites from older eras like pure pandalf, uv fusion

[clear stump]

@grave bane use this channel to respond to messages you see in #submit-ideas please

[grave bane]

oh ok

[clear stump]

Thanks

Keeps the channel on the topic of ideas

[clear stump]

The new feedback from Darth Pokemon is just venting

[lean kelp]

[buoyant basin]

@lime ice where are you

[lime ice]

What did I miss 🤣

[buoyant basin]

Me 😅

[lime ice]

I added mine 🙃

I provided the explanation 🤣

[buoyant basin]

Ranking is okaish considering we have to craft diamond relics now which is so waste of resources

[lime ice]

I get that crafting relics is also not a good quest but ranking is costing so much food on top of relics its like a 2 quests in 1

[buoyant basin]

Yep relics task is just waste of resources for all the players

[lime ice]

Yup

There were at least 2 diamond quests before lap 10
This means you exclude lower to mid level teams to get the race monster and this also makes teams not to except lower level players because they cant help in race, many teams out there are open to lower level players, to help them learn the game. Its a very social part of the game imo

[buoyant basin]

Yep Instead of Diamond relics they could've added some other tasks that can be done in game like I mentioned in the feedback

[lime ice]

Agreed, as said i understand its fun to have different quests but there other ways to go about it than ranking or crafting (diamond) relics and your suggestions sounds great 🍀

Also a r0 race monster should be doable for any player in a team else the social part of the game dies

[clear stump]

That's why I hate skips pre-10 laps

[buoyant basin]

Yea I mostly skipped all the dyps that said to craft diamond but not all are able to skip do they tend to use resources to craft a diamond

[lime ice]

Well i would love to hear opinions on this subject from all sort of players from low to high and from f2p to p2p
Race seems to be one of the only events you can get a ranked monster with effort but with this kind of tasks it seems only skips are added and now also below lap 10

As this is the first Race monster in a while that seems to be worth to be high ranked = doing 85 laps or more

With these kind of tasks added (extra skips), were is the effort in doing quests together as a team?
Its just more and more a skip party

[karmic fable]

When the only message a mod sends into feedback is complaining about the feedback everyone’s sending

💀

[clear stump]

???

[gilded eagle]

???

[flint stone]

Mods give feedback directly to SP. That’s why.

[rain spire]

what

[karmic fable]

💀 so are you guys like not reporting the mass comments about all of the poor changes SP has made making the game more and more P2W? Or do they just ignore the feedback you send lmao

[karmic fable]

Stuff like this lmao

[flint stone]

That is because not all are following the channel description. Don’t know why you placed it here.

[karmic fable]

Because this is feedback discussion and you posted it in feedback?

[flint stone]

SP do read feedback channel. They have always said that.

[karmic fable]

So they just don’t care about what the community has to say then yeah? lmao

[flint stone]

Not at all.

We are small part of the Community.

[clear stump]

Just because CMs and devs read it doesn't mean it will be put into effect
There could be a million different reasons as to why a feedback isn't "listened to"

[karmic fable]

💀 have you done the math on how expensive it is to try to collect all of the newly released monsters?

[karmic fable]

I mean it’s killing the community 🤷‍♂️ they won’t have that cash cow to milk if they kill off the community by using us as a wallet

[flint stone]

Like I said, I discuss my views directly.

[gilded eagle]

bro they aint a dev, what can they do about it u 🤡

[clear stump]

Be nice

[karmic fable]

Lmao please read what was posted a few messages above yours

[clear stump]

I'm fully aware of the state of the community
I hear of global growth, I don't doubt its true but for experienced players the pool grows more shallow daily

[karmic fable]

Exactly my point lol

[clear stump]

Recruitment getting harder
Events getting more difficult
Things for f2p becoming less worthwhile

[karmic fable]

Then it just looks like mods kick sand in your face lmao

The Game used to be fun don’t get me wrong

[flint stone]

I live by the sea, I never kick the sand.

[karmic fable]

But collecting all of the new monsters each season will rack you up a nice few hundred dollars worth of micro purchases

Monthly

[clear stump]

Mods ask for you to give feedback in a specific way so it's easy to present to sp
And so sp can read it and actually see the concern
If you just moan about its not fun anymore, I don't like it, sp bad company but don't say what the issue is, why it's an issue and how to improve then whats the point

[flint stone]

Why don’t you play within your means then?

[karmic fable]

There’s tons in there of people breaking down exactly what the issues are lol

[clear stump]

Its just emotional venting

[clear stump]

You don't see the deleted ones

[karmic fable]

Because I played to collect them? Lmao

[flint stone]

So did I, but I adjust now.

[karmic fable]

Even so, there’s plenty of non deleted ones

[clear stump]

Collect what you can and call it a day
I have sucked up not being able to collect everything 7 years ago

If not longer

[karmic fable]

“Yeah keep playing this game that you can’t play the same way you used to”

[karmic fable]

But how does this justify the pricing

[flint stone]

You can leave feedback, this is for discussion on that.

[karmic fable]

I have left feedback lol i was just discussing your post in feedback

[flint stone]

Yes, and as I explained, if you look, I place it as and when needed.

As lots of members don’t realise there is a channel description.

[clear stump]

Sp is a company and has to make money
A lot of countries are in a cost of living crisis where costs go up, expenses go up, and wages have to rise accordingly
Compounded with things like apple charging more, equipment costing more etc
Just a general capitalism thing

Some price rises I agree left me dumbfounded like double the r0 price for BH fugitive killer

And now there's no free mon too

[karmic fable]

This is my point exactly

The F2P aspects are dwindling

[clear stump]

Yes agreed

[karmic fable]

It’s already so P2W that F2P isn’t a viable option especially if you enjoy pvp

[clear stump]

I spoke w some friends earlier today and free pass, conjuring are big issues too

If you remember Forsaken then 🤷‍♀️

[karmic fable]

Yeah lmao but it’s still a poor business practice and can only hurt SP in the long run 🤷‍♂️

[clear stump]

Well like I said earlier

I've heard of global growth in ml

So more players

[karmic fable]

But how many of those people can commit a few hundred monthly? Last I checked there’s still not even a RUSD for the current era lmao

[clear stump]

There's old players who knew what the game was like and leaving/stopping spending, and new players enamored by the glamorous YT mons and buying stuff to get them

[karmic fable]

The competitive scene on ML is fueled by how big your pocketbook is

[clear stump]

If they have more little spenders than very few big spenders I'm sure they're happy

Also correct no Abyssal RUSD which I still find outrageous

Needs addressing asap

[karmic fable]

There would be plenty of small spenders though if they didn’t charge as much for things that aren’t useful at all to you

Hell I’d probably still spend money if it was economically viable 💀 but it fr would cost more than my car payments to keep up with this game

[clear stump]

I couldn't see myself engaging in microtransactions to become competitive

Only for collection and even then they're few and far between - never for ML

[karmic fable]

I mean that’s how it should be

[clear stump]

Of course but for ML and the kind of game model it has its needed

[karmic fable]

To the extent it is now though? Just seems like a lot more harm is done than good

[clear stump]

Well without a wide range of microtransactions available, with people given the choice to purchase what they want, what would you propose?

[wooden thunder]

sp can read it and actually see the concern" If you just moan about its not fun anymore, I don't like it, sp bad company but don't say what the issue is, why it's an issue and how to improve then whats the point" okay but lets say i post my concern and tell them how to fix it they still won't read it

[clear stump]

Did you read the discussion above in full

[slim sedge]

sp doesn't read feedbacks the comnunity managers do

[clear stump]

They are sp reps

[wooden thunder]

yeah but it almost like they don't even fix it

like they say the issues guess what they make the issues even worse when we told them thing that can be easily fixed

if you look in #general-feedback you will see how people are aware its so bad

[lime ice]

Thats first text is the rules for posting feedback, i made that

Mods are there to help players and enforce rules that is their task

They give their own feedback as players to sp

They dont need to forward the feedback from other players as SP knows what that feedback is already

[karmic fable]

No one does 💀

[clear stump]

No seems not lol

Cherrypick a message that was already addressed.

[karmic fable]

🤷‍♂️ it be like that

[lime ice]

He seems to read what he wants to read

[clear stump]

Lol

[karmic fable]

Did you see the mod say that they send feedback to devs? Lmao

[lime ice]

Lol yeah abd U know she does, because I was mod ones

[karmic fable]

I don’t care if they do or not lmao it doesn’t matter if nothing changes

[clear stump]

Which isn't down to the mods

[karmic fable]

Well yes lol but I never accused the mods of making the game more P2W

[lime ice]

There are more players most of them arent here and cant be because they dont speak English or Spanish
They have their ideas and feedback shared in support

Feedback from hear will always be considered but that doesnt mean it will be as you and others want it to be

[karmic fable]

💀 okay? These complaints aren’t just on discord and definitely not just on this server lmao

[lime ice]

So you work for sp and know all i guess

[karmic fable]

Lmao you’re grasping at straws

[lime ice]

No im not

[karmic fable]

I Just said Ive seen a large amount of people complaining, not just on this server and not just on discord. It’s on every social media platform

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know how to read

[lime ice]

Large as in how large and where?

Numbers and facts please

[wooden thunder]

i mean not as bad as sp making the exact same mistake over and over

[lean kelp]

Their Instagram, Facebook and Twitter comments on every post are all full of people complaining about the same issues, like RUSD, Abyssal changes, the GLP change when it happened, etc

[lime ice]

And yet they are still around and one of the oldest mobile games

[wooden thunder]

and not listening to feedback

[wooden thunder]

and pretty much money hungry are they not?

[lime ice]

Numbers please

[wooden thunder]

probo like 100000000000 people

[lime ice]

Arent we all

[karmic fable]

Dog what

[flint stone]

My feedback. Yes. Don’t think otherwise.

[lime ice]

You call me a dog?

[flint stone]

I also said to SP. Please be factual.

[wooden thunder]

if putting someone bad for 9.99 or 10 dollar when you can just not get it in general says alot still

[karmic fable]

…

Bruh

[karmic fable]

Lol that’s very nit-picky but okay

[flint stone]

No. It’s what I wrote.

[wooden thunder]

like its nit pick for me yeah but this says alot

[karmic fable]

These mods make me wanna smack my head against a wall

[lime ice]

Im not English so if thats an abbreviation please explain

[foggy summit]

only good abyssal so far is roareth and skydkold

[foggy summit]

they mean dawg

[karmic fable]

It’s a figure of speech lol

[foggy summit]

equivalent of calling someone bro basically 👍

[lean kelp]

I call copyright on my message

[lime ice]

Large is not a number

[karmic fable]

Lmao my bad let me go count every single comment