hunt-general

[raven totem]

Hollo-

[whole furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/orihime-inoue-bleach-leak-spin-leak-ichigo-gif-17437258

[raven totem]

Or bring back explosive crossbow as it's own weapon again

[empty eagle]

okay what if we remove all special ammo off repeaters and gave it back to only single shots (within reason) and then lowered the number of special ammo to a handful so you couldnt spam em and then

nerfed ammo boxes and then

removed all weapons except the lance

[raven totem]

Then just run modin

Simple as

[empty eagle]

what if we make running mosin dolch illegal

[raven totem]

Kraig officer

The list goes on quite a bit

[late walrus]

literally any long ammo rifle + literally any spammable weapon/2 slot shotgun

you cannot escape cryteks bullshit

[raven totem]

Ope wife's out of doctors. Time to drive 30 miles

[uneven flax]

what if we just remove bounty hunt and add a new TDM game mode

[sinful zodiac]

https://media.tenor.com/IpUVHEARJw8AAAAM/how-about-no-mike-myers.gif

[empty eagle]

isnt that

clash

[late walrus]

alpa

[late walrus]

tdm is typically 2 large teams fighting with infinite respawns

[empty eagle]

what is the death

[late walrus]

and you win by either hitting the max kills

[empty eagle]

deathless match

[late walrus]

or having more kills once timer ends

[empty eagle]

supernatural deaths

meaningless

old solo necro deaths

[whole furnace]

6 v 6 game mode, spread between two compounds.
But like something in the middle to grab or contest.

[empty eagle]

let me cleave my enemy in twain and bury them in two holes 200 miles apart so they may never return to harry me again

pact death match

death pact vs infernal

[late walrus]

just make like a king of the hill at that point

[empty eagle]

when do i get rot mask DA

[whole furnace]

Yeah, make it a low/no cost thing and just for the fun of it.
Honestly think the biggest pitfall of Clash is that it a money sink.

They should really make a casual mode

[empty eagle]

i think hunt needs more players before another mode

[whole furnace]

For fun fighting

[whole furnace]

Remove clash

Make clash 2.0

[late walrus]

clash biggest fall is that shotguns exist

and free hunters

[whole furnace]

Well, that is in conjunction of there is a risk

No risk, more encouragment to not worry about meta loadouts

[late walrus]

honestly i feel like a mode where just two teams fight in one compound for a few rounds until like first to 3 wins would be fun

[empty eagle]

so custom shooting range

[late walrus]

basically

but i could get like

money for it

[empty eagle]

no

hunt says you must be poor

[uneven flax]

always spawn fight when i bring meta loadout what is this

istg theres like an algo for it

[empty eagle]

the game knows

[whole furnace]

Dunno, give it like its own money system, so no money looted in-match but every X victory payout Y hunt dollars.

[proud sand]

auto-5 and dolch precision

time to farm kd

road to 1.4

[left orbit]

2010 meme

you’re old

so am i

[whole furnace]

don't even think 2010 can cut it

2006-2007

[late walrus]

67

[whole furnace]

...

That's it

the depths for you!

[late walrus]

six sevennnn

[late walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1040430876263186572/1112235871903678554/Screenshot_20230213-083826_YouTube.gif

[pine rose]

made this thingy. curious what yall would think of more ways to interact with the doused effect besides inconsistently spawned water bottles and the occasional river

[left orbit]

yeah probably. i’ve lost track. basically i was in high school

[gray aurora]

When you take expensive weapons you face expensive weapons

Good balance

[whole furnace]

Mariner seems very swingy in balance, insanely powerful on Stillwater, near useless on Gulch.
Rest seem fine.

[whole furnace]

Not true lol
I run Marathon and LeMat pistol and I get Mosin Sptizer + Dolch P

[opal dawn]

I don't think that's actually the case, but it feels like it is :

[left orbit]

god i can’t stand the noise of the hellhounds

i have a hurge to finish them

[pine rose]

I was trying to factor that in with the duration being nonrefreshable. Maybe a cooldown would be a better balancing mechanic

[left orbit]

to send them to oblivion

[uneven flax]

what this mean

[whole furnace]

I mean, not that important as you generally don't wanna be in water.
So people just gonna drop in and out anyways.

[pine rose]

fair point

[uneven flax]

nice spawns bro

guess which team fought with 5 minutes left in the fucking game

[whole furnace]

Think it just need to be an event trait as it have always been

[opal dawn]

Jump shots used to be as accurate as ADS

So you could jump ads and shoot someone with 100% accuracy provided you had the aim skills

[whole furnace]

Wild that with hidden extract Crytek still commits hard to have backdoor extracts

Literally just make them not spawn at the same compound

[opal dawn]

Then they changes this so it's always rng when you jump

[frigid ibex]

Only while going up

[opal dawn]

Dizz

[frigid ibex]

Grug

[opal dawn]

That's cuz u have skill issues

[frigid ibex]

I wanna make sure you dont

Youre already spreading misinformation

😔

[opal dawn]

You hate to see it

[uneven flax]

so basically the gun fires at the center dot while hipfiring while jumping?

[opal dawn]

While aiming

I should've been clearer

[uneven flax]

i dont get it

[frigid ibex]

You basically aim like normal and the bullet goes where you aim

Its nerfed

[uneven flax]

when you jump and ADS the bullet isnt accurate?

[frigid ibex]

Now it's like hipfire in ads

[opal dawn]

Now it isn't

But back then it was

[uneven flax]

dang really

[frigid ibex]

This is typically what most games do

Cause people jump shoot abuse a lot

It is fun though

[uneven flax]

weird. if thats the case they should re-add bloom in ADS if the fire is RNG when jumping

[frigid ibex]

No bloom

[uneven flax]

why not add sway on jump instead of making ADS RNG?

[frigid ibex]

Grug take potato speak permission

Cause it's abusable if not rng

[opal dawn]

[uneven flax]

you jump, the sway gets crazy

[opal dawn]

Yeah, but if you got the skills that sway doesn't matter that much

[frigid ibex]

Rng is rng for everyone

[opal dawn]

So they nerfed it so it's the same for everyone

[uneven flax]

yeah but if you can handle the jump sway then you deserve it no

[frigid ibex]

No

[uneven flax]

really... hmmm

[frigid ibex]

They are the ones that the nerfs are for lol

[late walrus]

wrong

[uneven flax]

weird to me that there's jump ADS rng

[late walrus]

rng for me is rng

[uneven flax]

but then again i wouldnt notice

[late walrus]

rng for my enemies is consistent 40m conversion dualie one taps

[uneven flax]

id think i just miss anyway

[opal dawn]

That's a matter of game design choices tbh, if you think that should be the case then you think so

[uneven flax]

regardless if it was rng or not

[frigid ibex]

Nuhuh

[uneven flax]

lmao

[opal dawn]

I personally liked the jump shooting

[uneven flax]

there's already a certain level of skill needed for jump shooting anyway. idk why u gotta nerf "skill"

id say sway is much better than making bullets random lol

they can also just turn off ADS when you jump

makes the game simpler kek

[frigid ibex]

Same but I see why it's nerfed

[uneven flax]

nerfing jump shooting for rifles just make it strong for shotguns

[frigid ibex]

People said this about everything prior, it's really cheap excuse really

[uneven flax]

id honestly prefer Hunt didnt have jump

[frigid ibex]

Like quickswap

It was absurdly broken

And not actually skillful

[opal dawn]

Quickswap I was very happy they nerfed

[frigid ibex]

Grug

[opal dawn]

Dizz

[frigid ibex]

Ok thats better

[opal dawn]

I brained wrong

Sparks bornheim was a meta loadout for a time

[frigid ibex]

Uppercut

It had no pistol fall off

That was added after

[whole furnace]

Hit any body part + hit any body part within the span of 1s, truly skillful play

[frigid ibex]

They added levering after that so

They introduced more spam replacing spam quickswap

[whole furnace]

But that was RNG spam :V

[uneven flax]

there really needs to be balancing factor for spam

[frigid ibex]

Levering had crouch accuracy bonus

[uneven flax]

maybe add a chance for spam guns to jam

[frigid ibex]

Tarkov is that way

Im pointing at a direction irl

Hope you can see it

[uneven flax]

NERF SPAM

[frigid ibex]

@late walrus do you like narmy

[opal dawn]

Well, can't really remove spam weapons in a game where spam weapons existed in the same time frame

[uneven flax]

why am i grinding to get this ugly ass leon

[late walrus]

used to love it, now i only use it every now and then

would rather bring lemat or uppercut

[uneven flax]

for me there's no reason to get narmy when officer brawler exists

[left orbit]

sometimes you gotta thank the solo that you killed earlier for not burning your skin afer it gets you later in the match

fair game

[royal sparrow]

Because you can. (And he looks like one of the old T2 skins that disappeared since 1896)

[uneven flax]

he looks like the professor who used to abuse my class

always have this fuckin long ass blanket on his neck under 30C heat

and always flirting with the handsome students

then occassionally texting us and cancelling classes for no reason

[royal sparrow]

Sounds kinda creepy tbh

[uneven flax]

there's a lot of creepy professors where i used to study

some would have their "friend" senior students to teach us on their behalf

i fucking hated that guy

he would vape in class and not give a fuck

[frigid ibex]

lemat abuser

[late walrus]

you know what fuck you

i cant do shit with you around

[uneven flax]

report!

ban

[frigid ibex]

anything is abuse if its against me

[uneven flax]

suspend

[late walrus]

i cant say

[neon glacier]

no idea whats his plan

[late walrus]

THIS SERVER SUCKS

EVERYTIME I WANT TO CALL SOMEONE SOMETHING I HAVE TO SAY IMBECILE

GOD!!!

[frigid ibex]

just say sonion

[late walrus]

youre a mod you saw what i said

good enough

the only way i could please you is if i ran fucking winfield subsonic + nagant for the rest of my days

traitless

[frigid ibex]

rysko you can run whatever you want, everything being op is part of the sarcasm of this server

[gusty onyx]

Winfield subsonic op btw

[frigid ibex]

winfield abuser

[left orbit]

you mean the silenced winfield?

also... subsonic... OP?

i’ve played with it on maynard silenced, winfield silenced, and carbine silenced, i’d never say it’s OP

[royal sparrow]

Winnie Marks w/ h. Velo is OP

[left orbit]

just take a centi sniper at that point

[royal sparrow]

Ha! I do terrorize with that.

[quick kestrel]

Is there a person I can ask to unban a “buddy” from the server? He joined with edgy crap on his profile and was banned. He loves hunt and wants to be part of the server

[left orbit]

with the centi you mean? yeah. add HV to it and you can snipe from 300m it’s ridic XD

[frigid ibex]

my bad though, sarcasm doesn't transfer well over text. My real opinion about lemat is that i'm glad it finally has some use. It has good velocity for a compact pistol and the shotgun is good in a pinch and if you whiff you're good as dead. balanced as it gets.

[left orbit]

send to @lilac swan

and maybe... maybe idk

i’m no mod

@frigid ibex our discord mod (pretends to say it’s not mod) may say more

[late walrus]

im not actually mad

[frigid ibex]

modmail is the right way

[royal sparrow]

Yeah if I'm using a sniper solo then it's Centi. Sparks if trios.

[late walrus]

i do know youre joking

[frigid ibex]

prove it

[random nimbus]

[late walrus]

BUT its fun yelling at you

[frigid ibex]

bro baited me

[late walrus]

get cooked bozo

[random nimbus]

Dizz, I was looking through some old clips and I keep seeing the one of us dying in duos with the frag

[frigid ibex]

I was so convinced he was inside so i stood completely still being the easiet target too

[random nimbus]

I also found the double dolch DE kill at Scupper

Was absolutely criminal how fast I killed those two

[frigid ibex]

was it when DE was new

[random nimbus]

Yeah

[late walrus]

dizz

both spooky and munster have bombed me at burning convoy now

in the same spot

[hollow rapids]

EU Down?

[late walrus]

infront of the fucking restoration

they pull a nade to grab card

and throw it at the fire

i hate them

[frigid ibex]

is spooky waiting for people to walk to the burned convoy

i hate explosives so that'd get me

[late walrus]

no dizz hes fucking stupid

he was on my team

and wanted to free a slot to grab chariot

and threw his nade

directly into the flames

RIGHT NEXT TO US

[frigid ibex]

oh lol

rip

[random nimbus]

@frigid ibex I hate this gun so much, it's so busted lol

[late walrus]

oh and ban @open flax for bullying me

i regret ever finding him in randoms

[opal dawn]

I agree, gotta get banned

[hollow rapids]

over one year this bug... never get fixed?

[late walrus]

bad things need to happen to him

[frigid ibex]

I haven't played with spooky in a good while, he liked giving my enemy a free avto back when it was way better

so i refused to play with spooky if he brought a nitro or avto

[late walrus]

LMAO

[frigid ibex]

cause i always died to spooky's weapon (enemy stole it)

[opal dawn]

I haven't played with dizz in a good while, he liked giving my enemy a free 1865 carbine back when it was way better

[frigid ibex]

i'll give them away again

just you wait

[frigid ibex]

I remember this

lol

it took me 20 seconds to get spider from 20% health to 0

yikes

[random nimbus]

Tbf, you were probably trying to be ready for them to approach because I sounded the alarm

[frigid ibex]

I think I was convinced nobody would show up cause it was fog + scupper

[random nimbus]

Only for the dolch spam to clear them up before they could do anything

[frigid ibex]

i've ran dolch deadeye thinking it's meme and then I end up getting all the kills with it

It just feels so memey and yet it isn't

[random nimbus]

And it's even better now because of the DE movement speed buff

[jolly parcel]

dolch deadeye > dolch

plus steady aim = peak

[uneven flax]

BRO

my luck is downhill from here

[random nimbus]

Off to extraction lol

[uneven flax]

i actually did to make it feel special

[jolly parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

both you disgust me

[frigid ibex]

nice, you can't end it there though. You'll get 500x2 from the next hunter body loot

[jolly parcel]

you obviously try to lobby wipe with that

[random nimbus]

I just posted a clip of me using a dolch DE. You should have no faith in me XD

[young panther]

normal dolch works best for me, i even like it more than dolchP because of the fast secondary weapon swap

[random nimbus]

I also found another of me crack peeking my ass off

[opal dawn]

We need dolch hv

[jolly parcel]

dolch spitzer

[pine rose]

Please stub your toe

[jolly parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/toenails-toe-nail-ouch-painful-gif-13243353

[pine rose]

Somehow this clip is more painful to look at because of the dogshit frame interpolation

[random nimbus]

And why does squidward have a toenail?

[uneven flax]

Guy posted in r/gamingsuggestions for "Game with stealing". I responded with Hunt, going in solo and running serpent. I described the entire gameplay loop of Hunt to him in my reply and how he can do a "thief" playstyle like he wants.

Bro replied 2 months later 17 minutes ago haha

Guess I birthed a new rat in this game

[neon glacier]

i hope you meet him in games

more rats for potato

[neon glacier]

i tried this playstyle and it works like 10% of time

[uneven flax]

Pretty sure @left orbit plays like that half the time

and 100% of the time when he got the milly badge

[left orbit]

what playstyle?

[neon glacier]

i dont think kalima plays ratty

[uneven flax]

taking bounties and looting and avoiding players

[left orbit]

hmmm

so

to precise my playstyle

[uneven flax]

omg the bullet points

[left orbit]

it’s either i loot the map, and avoid players all the time

but i rarely get bounty then

OR

i go HEAD FIRST into problems

like BIG PROBLEMS

so yes

50% loot the map

50% big noisy dirty trouble

[paper anvil]

Banishing bounty and all other teams show up

[left orbit]

if single bounty, yes, if double bounty it can be 30% chance you’ll never see anyone

[uneven flax]

@left orbit you see this

[left orbit]

yes me potato :3

[random nimbus]

On double bounty, you're probably just gonna get hit by Chariot

[left orbit]

this ☝️

[uneven flax]

youve been hit by youve been struck by

[random nimbus]

A damn chariot

[uneven flax]

kalima you're french? how was your pride when expedition 33 got all the awards

[left orbit]

i was actually crying because the team was crying on camera

i’m very sensitive

someone cries, i cry too

[uneven flax]

https://tenor.com/view/ffs-baby-really-oh-god-just-stop-gif-1639610178022128587

[frigid ibex]

good game

[left orbit]

also it was really good game

at first i wasn’t sure i would like it

but i had a blast

it was really fun

sometimes a bit cringy

[uneven flax]

I liked it but i did blitz through the game

i hated the level design

[left orbit]

but oh got it was so fun

oh really? i liked it

[uneven flax]

Game made me feel like roronoa zoro

where the fuck is the way

it was a confusing maze and each hallway looked the same as the other

gave me a bit of a headache

[neon glacier]

i need to play the dlc

[scenic plinth]

expedition 33 won too many awards, absolutely did not deserve best RPG over KCD2

[uneven flax]

true

[frigid ibex]

i thought KCD2 came out recently

[scenic plinth]

was nominated in the same awards but lost to expedition 33

[frigid ibex]

KCD is also great

[uneven flax]

expedition 33 winning over and over every tiem i scroll through my feed and its e33 winning another award. the eye roll was real

[neon glacier]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yapping-core--k01KS5MR7V7GJ5MSC172EK297FK

[whole furnace]

Okay been thinking a little about it, Mariner should NOT be a buyable trait with the inclusion of the other two items.
Mariner + Water Bottles provided 4 x 75hp healed for a total of 300HP, 375 with frontiersman.
That is outscaling base medkit and even with medkit + doctor.
And that is not including the fact you can always just dip in water found in world or use water bottles found in world too.

[neon glacier]

mcree working on paragraph

[uneven flax]

finally they released AK

[frigid ibex]

bro that's not tarkov

I mean hunt

[random nimbus]

Mariner healing was bonkers even back when it was deep water only

Heck, the Sun healing is absolutely bonkers now, it's just so short lived

[frigid ibex]

you can probably find water puddles on gulch to heal on. It'll def not be useless on other maps. There's also a lot of water in lawson

[pine rose]

Wow alright, I did not think it'd result in that much raw healing

Maybe instead of regen it could be like, +10hp when doused

[whole furnace]

Yeah, just not as much as stillwater

[frigid ibex]

i know its not the right reply, thiniking of what you said earlier

no i mean, i abused mariner every game and you have the same chance of standing on water in lawson

cause a lot of compounds have water around it

[whole furnace]

Just think providing healing thru traits is something that should be used sparingly.
Especially as a buyable trait

[pine rose]

Currently the only ones that exist are ghoul and conduit iirc

Both of which, as sources of health, are really eh for the price

[whole furnace]

That is the point tho

Healing shouldn't come for free easily

[pine rose]

True

[left orbit]

cm’on gotta give french tech some hype 😭

[pine rose]

I have definitely been poisoned by old Witness

That much has become clear lol

[left orbit]

old witness poisoned you?

[opal dawn]

Yeah, it was super weird

[left orbit]

damn

well

to be fair

i think that every trait should come with a downside

[pine rose]

Also, random, anyone know if killing a Hive bomb will proc ghoul?

[left orbit]

whatever bonus you may have, should cost something

[left orbit]

any grunt kill does

[pine rose]

It used to give regen when standing on top of a death marker

[left orbit]

isn’t that what vigor is for?

[opal dawn]

No

[left orbit]

i might be mixing things up

[opal dawn]

Vigor just increases how fast you heal

[whole furnace]

To be fair, witness old and current shouldn't be a buyable trait

[opal dawn]

Old witness triggered healing when in dark sight near a death marker

So you could infinitely heal near a dead hunter for instance

[left orbit]

that wasn’t so long ago

i remember that during post 2.0, right?

[pine rose]

Elaborate, I'm curious

Guessing you also hold the opinion that Blast Sense shouldn't be buyable

[whole furnace]

Witness is legit OP.
It guess so much free information about the battle.

[opal dawn]

Ya, it's super strong

[whole furnace]

Blast Sense is whatever, you can use your ears

[pine rose]

I dunno I still think it's absurdly good for being a 2 point trait

[frigid ibex]

I find it weird to look in dark sight when I can already pinpoint them with audio and i wanna aim at them

the trend to add 50 dark sight interaction traits has gotten old though

for me a tleast

[whole furnace]

But Witness can tell you if the compound you are approaching have/have had people in it, thru dead AI.
It can confirm deaths and confirms if revives have happened or not.
It can give you an overview of the battlefield you are arriving at.
So many times my trio have showed up to a big fight, scanned witness and see 4 bodies on the ground and just pushed and won bc we knew there were one guy left on each team.

[whole furnace]

So many more important traits that take the spot.

[lavish atlas]

Witness is the definition of "Knowledge is Power"

[upbeat lark]

blank rounds for muzzle loading grenade propeller when

[opal dawn]

Absolutely not

[upbeat lark]

teehee

[whole furnace]

After Martini-Henry get brassshell buckshot as custom ammo

[uneven flax]

was there any reason besides possible performance issues why they cant just retain dead grunts all over the ground

i assume just deleting most grunts if you have a lot of dead ones in the area, but retaining 1 or 2 over x areas at least..

adds tracking

witness shouldnt be necessary to find out of hunters have been in the area killing zombies

[jolly parcel]

cause potato pcs

[whole furnace]

I assume performance yeah.

[jolly parcel]

it'd be cool if they added an in game effect where zombies crtumble to the ground or like the boss absorbed by the shadow

[left orbit]

yeah removing dynamic objects is usually an optim technique used in many videogames

i mean it’s probably emphasized by the fact that it’s a multiplayer game

in solo game you wouldn’t care nowadays

but on servers i imagine it can put some extra strain on’em

and about tracking in general

given the abundance of AI in any area

if you don’t see any

it means someone has been there deffo

however given stam and shadow don’t assume than nobody was there if you still see AI

[open flax]

?????????????????????????????

son

what is this slander

[raven totem]

i MEAN SO CAN SPAWN KNOWLEDGE

[hoary jewel]

I find it funny you can spot enemies before you see them by seeing grunts spawn in or being aggroed

One line of sight i like is through lower desalle from upper desalle

[left orbit]

dudes complaining in comments i was running sniper

but i got them at 40m

after they got tagged by other team

i could have used a nagant pistol it wouldn’t have changed the outcome

[whole furnace]

What?

[left orbit]

spawn? you mean spread?

[fallow topaz]

Pathfinder Card is another option too

[left orbit]

@uneven flax when did i achieve 100K? i’m at 69K right now

wasn’t it like last saturday morning or sumthin

yeah i think it was last saturday around 10am

4790HD per day

my hunt bank account is worth more than my IRL bank account

[uneven flax]

I stopped getting updates after the milly

I have 950k now

[left orbit]

ôôôôô you’re close

[frigid ibex]

Nice

[summer geyser]

Love using witness to poison cloud the bodies on the floors above me 😂 shooting the ceiling with poison and just hearing constant poison moans

[left orbit]

i have a clip for that

[left orbit]

[summer geyser]

Haha nice!! Don't you feel like a poison puppetmaster ? Forcing them to run into spots of danger from other teams

[left orbit]

totally XD i knew there were other people around, nearly got killed getting inside

and i just started poisoning the upper floor just to ... uh ... try my luck?

i died shortly after but hearing the damage sound and then the death sound was hilarious XD

[summer geyser]

So combine that with poison sense and witness

One of my fav loadouts in Clash is double hand crossbow with all poison and ammo boxes 😂

[jolly parcel]

i forgot poison existts

nobody uses it in clash

[frigid ibex]

I dont use clash

[summer geyser]

I only use it in clash. During events I find poison is useless because everyone running 4shot boons

[jolly parcel]

you dont enjoy fun

[random nimbus]

I still have to do the clash challenge

[frigid ibex]

Soul survivor is the real mode

[random nimbus]

Quickplay

[scarlet osprey]

oowww ouchie loadout

[frigid ibex]

Dont need to rely on revive fiesta slop

[jolly parcel]

took me like 2 weeks to finish the play obounty hunt fchallenge

[frigid ibex]

One life is enough for me

[summer geyser]

I play Hunt to make money, to play clash 😂

[random nimbus]

"Damm, a wooden fence!" loadout XD

[hot karma]

do you trade the same, more or less in Tarkov than you do in Hunt? In hunt I trade EVERY TIME in a gaming session WAY more than once, its a daily occurance. Tarkov, so rare its never been an issue

[frigid ibex]

Yeah but that fence will bleed

[random nimbus]

Save the trees!

[hot karma]

I dont remember ever trading in tarkov to be honest but im sure at some point it happened

[whole furnace]

"Lads we need to fallback, the enemies have assumed a fortified positioning behind that picket fence!"

[jolly parcel]

if you have an issue with trading try shooting them a little quicker

[gusty onyx]

I think i never traded in tarkov

[scarlet osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-marathon-game-marathon-bungie-arachne-rook-gif-2174115766896418815

[wooden ember]

If you keep trading its a skill issue buddy

[gusty onyx]

Atleast not by gunfire

[jolly parcel]

same here never traded in tarkov

because i dont play tarkov

[hot karma]

Better tell RatchaZ to get better

[jolly parcel]

if he plays nae clash sure i will

[hot karma]

Tarkov is def worth a play

[jolly parcel]

im waiting for it to go on sale on steam

[past locust]

why so many people pvping on oce servers lately

its the pve server

[hot karma]

its such a good game, I just stopped because the wipes

[whole furnace]

Destiny 2 is kill

[gusty onyx]

There are no wipes anymore since 1.0

[left orbit]

should i try marathon?

[gusty onyx]

Aside from that, i dont play anymore cause there are no more wipes 😂

[whole furnace]

My friend is liking it a lot

and I also liked it when I tried to sever slam

Or well

Had some gripes

But it is a solid game

[frigid ibex]

he never said he traded more in tarkov

[random nimbus]

Meanwhile I do this kind of stuff through metal XD

[frigid ibex]

if you do..

[left orbit]

if i do... what, dizz? WHAT? are you gonna BAIT me into HOPPONABLE???

[whole furnace]

Long ammo moments

[frigid ibex]

no baits

[left orbit]

i’m gonna wait for season 2 with the PvE mode, because i’m not so sure about the PvP mode 😂

[random nimbus]

I ended up killing a second one there too after a teammate tagged them

[frigid ibex]

the pvp is solid

[random nimbus]

Just a little lol

But also FMJ

[whole furnace]

Have they announced a pve mode?

[random nimbus]

Not in that clip, mind you

[uneven flax]

Didnt like it

[left orbit]

i mean yes but, will i be solid enough myself to endure the PvP? that’s the question

[left orbit]

yes

[whole furnace]

Oh heck!

Nice

[uneven flax]

Marathon AI straight up just as hard as players

[whole furnace]

Now we just need Hunger

[frigid ibex]

bungie makes nice gunplay

[uneven flax]

Marathon ai also suck you dry

[hot karma]

Im asking you do you have more trades in hunt or Tarkov?

[left orbit]

yeah you can find comments in steam saying "omg don’t add PvE mode to please these low skill players" but then i’m like "tf are you talking about these players would either stopped playing PvP or just not buy the game at all"

[uneven flax]

Idk if u into that

[left orbit]

litarally doesn’t make any difference

except these lords won’t have free meat to grind anymore lul

[mortal cove]

It didn‘t really grab me

[gusty onyx]

Atleast u saw him 😂

[random nimbus]

Niiiiice XD

[frigid ibex]

I mean, since the trade changes i went from trading every single day to almost never. I have seen a lot of bloodsplatter no kill though (me on high ping)

[hot karma]

Are you 100% sure?!?!

[gusty onyx]

Yes

[uneven flax]

what i hated the most was the maps

[whole furnace]

Trust me, I went to the Hunger discord and said something akin to "I think it could be neat with PvE mode" and I got my arse torn apart lmao

[left orbit]

yeah no wonder

[hot karma]

Thats crazy dude, its still a daily occurrence, just loading into a clash if I dont trade I hear other folks trade. I still trade on the daily

[uneven flax]

Iirc it’s adding a pve mode dont it

[left orbit]

for some reason PvP player can’t ever think that some players would simply not buy the game if there wasn’t any PvE

[mortal cove]

Yes, you only need a X3D CPU and 64GB Ram to get anywhere Near acceptable performance lmao

[hot karma]

Dang dude I didn't realize that!!!

[frigid ibex]

they are going to do seasonal characters, like Path of Exile and Diablo does.

to do that you need to wipe

[uneven flax]

Tarkov wont get a lick of my money if i had to pay separately for pve

[random nimbus]

I had just been shot by a girl where I was looking

[hot karma]

I played with a 3060 and got good gameplay outta that, I think I had a 1660 when I started and still worked

[mortal cove]

it shouldn‘t get a lick of your money whatsoever

[whole furnace]

Dunno, I am old, I've seen all the billions of "PvP player driven MMOs" die on arrival bc the devs realize that people who actually enjoy that kind of open ended pvp experince is like in the single digit percentile lmao.
Just the same with these quest oriented extraction shooters.
How many have now rolled back to adding a PvE mode, bascially all of them?

[uneven flax]

Ill lick you

[mortal cove]

Brother, I also didn‘t mention a GPU did I?

[gusty onyx]

Love those, always satisfying to get a random headshot threw wallbangs

[whole furnace]

It is akin to Hunt's old trials and doesn't seem to contribute to progression.

[hot karma]

Easy cowboy, my CPU was trash and I had 16g of ram

[mortal cove]

Don‘t threaten me with a good time

https://tenor.com/view/alan-wake-barbie-gif-5846849441340118674

[frigid ibex]

you're talking like as if there's a big selection of extraction shooters. Many of them died purely cause they were boring

[mortal cove]

The game‘s CPU performance and ram demand has also only gotten worse overtime.

[hot karma]

Shooooooot dawg! Thanks for the info

[hot karma]

Thats fair, I remember having serious issues on lighthouse

[gusty onyx]

I still dont understand how you can enjoy these kind of games without pvp

[uneven flax]

Ew

[mortal cove]

Tarkov is a technical catastrophe

Makes Stalker 2 look like a masterpiece in technical design

[raven totem]

telling if people have been through somewhere w dead ai. I mean the ai aren't realy that random.

[hot karma]

Hunt is as well but tarkov is 100% worse on that side of things

[whole furnace]

Extraction shooters that have shifted towards/added/catered PvE mode:

• Tarkov
• Grey Zone
• Marathon
• Arc Raiders
• Dark and Darker
  That is basically most of the big ones.

[mortal cove]

Ah sure, Hunt… that runs at 100s of fps on low end GPUs at 1080p

And gets you 100fps locked on really low end CPUs today

[frigid ibex]

You basically mentioned like.. all of them besides hunt

There is not more than that

[whole furnace]

Dunno, collecting garbage and weeding AI can be nice and meditative.
Heck that is why MMOs are like crack for people.

[frigid ibex]

The others haven't released yet or died

[gusty onyx]

All of them are boring without pvp imo 😄

[mortal cove]

Hunt has some issues, but performance is 100% not one of them as a whole

I don‘t get 200fps at 4K on a technically poor game

[whole furnace]

You can see dead AI even before you have a side line as witness is 75m reach.

[hot karma]

Server performance is 100% an issue in Hunt

I have 7 ping on US East and still get packet loss every once in a while

[whole furnace]

Still doesn't matter, plenty people wants it and devs realize that there is not enough of "you" to sustain their game.

[mortal cove]

Shifting the goalpost much?

[gusty onyx]

After the really early days of gray zone and tarkov everything else since feels preety good tbf 😂

[frigid ibex]

Are you on wireless? (wifi)

[mortal cove]

The discussion was about performance, not server stability

[hot karma]

Not near as bad and definitely not game breaking

[raven totem]

thats fair, typically more helpfull in that regard I find out of compound rather than in though, due to specials being normally targeted and it's easy to see if certain hives are gone and such

[hot karma]

Nope, hard wired, never even set up wifi on my PC

[whole furnace]

There are some others one, like Breakout Infinite and Red River Incursion, one with only pvpve and the other only pve :)

[whole furnace]

Sure, but it still a feature that have saved my ass a couple of times

[frigid ibex]

isn't red river super unfinished (early access)

not really worth mentioning tbh

[hot karma]

I consider rubber banding and teleporting performance, apologize if its the wrong category

[whole furnace]

I mean, so is grey zone warfare

Oh yeah the forever winter is also a strictly pve extraction shooter.

[raven totem]

that one looks neet

[frigid ibex]

eh forever winter is a demo

give it 10 years

[gusty onyx]

Arena breakout has so much Potential, but i feel like its only fun if you like ratting

[hot karma]

I'm excited for beautiful light to come out, that'll be a good time if releases while I'm still living

[mortal cove]

Can‘t comment on that, I get rubberbanding so rarely I don‘t care at all

[raven totem]

slap on an hk with 995s and rip peoples faces off, you don't have to rat silly

[mortal cove]

I get a single rubberband like once every couple days or so

[whole furnace]

But yeah, point still stands there is clearly an ask and a market for PvE modes in these kind of games :)

[uneven flax]

Im plsying incursion red river recently

[mortal cove]

I still want my Hunt hardcore mode with challenging AI missions

[whole furnace]

Had a friend who played a little of it and liked it, still rough

[raven totem]

um excuse me guys, witchfire is also an extraction shooter

[mortal cove]

The Hunt trials were an execution of that I liked

[uneven flax]

Sound is ass but the game plays good. 3 maps now too

[hot karma]

I think hunt should have Bot gangs at the different compounds

[mortal cove]

Too bad the trials don‘t exist anymore

[frigid ibex]

from my perspective it's arc raider's don't shoot first crowd that want to see that trend spreading. Tarkov PvE already happened before the arc raider thing and arc raiders blew up and well it started a trend.

[gusty onyx]

I played alot first 3 seasons, but now all ppl do is camp the highloot spots with redammo

Kinda boring

[whole furnace]

I wouldn't mind a hunt single player/pve/co-op spin-off.
Don't think the foundation of this Hunt build could make a good PvE mode.

[raven totem]

red ammo got nerfed

[uneven flax]

It’s like soulslike and extraction shooter combined

And roguelike

All 3 buzz words

[raven totem]

I'm just yapping

[hot karma]

Its is an interesting psychological experiment though matchmaking based on how hostile you are

[mortal cove]

I disagree strongly, the fundementals for a good survival horror styled PVE mode are 1000% there

[frigid ibex]

helldivers is an extraction shooter

[raven totem]

dizz scores again

[whole furnace]

Dunno AI just seems too basic for it to work.

And that is by design ofc

[uneven flax]

./.

[frigid ibex]

Idk, i feel like if you want a hunt PvE then l4d is on steam

[mortal cove]

You also don‘t need complex enemy AI to make that work… note hugely successful survival horror games like RE2

[uneven flax]

There is no horror game with hunt showdown’s guns and gunplay

No game can replace hunt

[raven totem]

this statement makes me remember I hate doom dark ages

id fucked that up so bad

[uneven flax]

Not even RDR2 has hunt’s gunplay

[frigid ibex]

there's also no first person shooter pvp games like hunt

[mortal cove]

In fact, the most successful survival horror games all have rather simple AI enemies all in all

[uneven flax]

Wc is why i want a hunt pve mode

[mortal cove]

Even the legendary RE4

[frigid ibex]

rdo is abandonware so don't even mention it

[uneven flax]

Why did they remove trials

I will gladly kill 100 grunts for 100 hunt dollars

[frigid ibex]

cause it took ui space probably

is my guess

[mortal cove]

As an Eternal stan, I highly approve this message

[whole furnace]

Sure, but that game takes concession to player control and movement.
With hunts gunplay I just don't see how we can use current Hunt as baseline for good PvE.
Again, think it is a case where there is so many small changes needed to be done that it would be easier to do its own standalone game instead.

[raven totem]

hunt pve mode, specifically done for that would be neat, but not just, oh heres a normal match where you farm, that would be ass

[hot karma]

Im just trying to hit prestige 100 before another good game kicks off

[uneven flax]

I WANT THAT

[raven totem]

no thats trash

[uneven flax]

ILL PUT MUSIC ON AND FARM

[raven totem]

trash panda go back

wtf

[mortal cove]

Make stamina and ammo tighter, lower attack delays, increase spawn rates

You already have a foundation

[raven totem]

oh, I was three feet from a RACOON at work the other day, it took refuge in the trash can literally outside, I looked in and saw the silver backing of it's eye

[whole furnace]

Most of those changes just needs to be applied to current hunt :V

[opal dawn]

Currently it's too easy to cheese AI by going up on a small haystack or something

[mortal cove]

I agree lmao, but remember how many newbies used to die back in early access because of the airtight ammo management.
Which resulted in Crytek increasing the ammo pools of guns drastically

[uneven flax]

I dont think it’s impossible. Crytek just wont have the motivation to do it.

Hunt can at least have Arc Raider’s fetch quests. Many ways they can do it

“Activate the water wheel at split river mill”
“Fetch items at cypress huts and pitching crematorium”
“Wonder in alice farm”
“Have dinner in heritage pork”

[whole furnace]

Sounds like skill issue
Also it is much more known nowadays to melee AI.

[uneven flax]

Make creative fetch quests and allow pve in normal bounty hunt game mode and youre chill

[mortal cove]

Sure, but then again, make stamina management tighter and people will flip lmao

Ngl

The best way to nerf throwing weapons is to just not allow them to be thrown when stamina runs out

[frigid ibex]

why are you trying to ruin hunt

everyone is copying the tarkov model which is loot and questing

[whole furnace]

God no, that is the worst fucking part of most extraction shooters.
Trying to complete a fetch quest for 3 hours because you don't get the right map, die in a spawn fight or die to someone camping the question location.

[uneven flax]

We’re just spitballing on cheap ways Crytek can make a hunt pve inside the current hunt build

[frigid ibex]

and it's obviously bad cause gameplay loop has a clear end

it's not cheap

[whole furnace]

Would be the dream

[mortal cove]

Writing whole questlines is not cheap at all lmao

[frigid ibex]

I wish more games copied hunt's gameplay loop

[raven totem]

crytek literally just hide extracts

[mortal cove]

You still need additional writers for that

[uneven flax]

I mean low quality not cheap in human resources

[mortal cove]

And then remove or further nerf stam shots

[uneven flax]

Like i said. Thats why crytek wont be motivated to make any special hunt pve mode. There’s no reason to

[mortal cove]

2.5min for small stam, 5min for large stam

[frigid ibex]

Tarkov players that main tarkov, always stop playing tarkov and return when there's a wipe.

Cause you run out of things to do

[mortal cove]

4-shot 2.5min stam

[frigid ibex]

that game has no gameplay loop

Arc raiders has same issue

[uneven flax]

All looty extraction shooters has gameplay loop problems

[gusty onyx]

First 2-3 weeks are the most fun

[frigid ibex]

this is not made up, this is how this works and whoever copies tarkov should know this is how it will work for them too

[uneven flax]

This is why Hunt is the best

[whole furnace]

Damn right!

[frigid ibex]

unironically yes

[mortal cove]

I hate stam shot abuse lol

Just makes the game worse imo

[frigid ibex]

or non sarcastic

[mortal cove]

I have less issues with regen shots than I do stam shots

[uneven flax]

The problem with stam shots is not the shots. But the stam buff

Stam buff basically removes stamina bar and makes it a free cheat

Same for antidote shot

Crap mechanics

Only hunt has a stamina buff that is basically unlimited stamina

What fucking game does that

[gusty onyx]

Yeah i mean it, maybe like first month depending on how much u play is the best time in tarkov

[mortal cove]

JRPGs

[uneven flax]

For JRPGs its basically unlimited mana or some shit

[mortal cove]

And action RPGs

[uneven flax]

It’s terrible mechanics

Stamina shot should increase stam regen not make it unlimited

[mortal cove]

One of Elden Rings best potions are the ones giving you infinite mana and stamina for a short timeframe

[uneven flax]

This is why stamina consumption is a bad balancing lever for melee and melee attachments

[mortal cove]

[mortal cove]

I would combine movement and melee stam

Make it a single bar

and then change stam shots to increase stam regen by shortening the regen delay drastically

[uneven flax]

I dont mind movement taking stamina. But they need to buff the stamina capacity then rework stam shot

Yeah i agree

Like literally anyyy other game

[raven totem]

like what?

[uneven flax]

Like all games with stamina

[mortal cove]

Dying Light

[uneven flax]

No game removes the stamina bar because of a buff

😭

No respectable game at least

[raven totem]

it's timed

[whole furnace]

I have issue with regenshots until I remember that a mosin can literally require me to use two medkit charges on a single tag to the upper chest at 73m

[uneven flax]

It’s timed cheats

[raven totem]

I mean you say that, yet hunts better

[gusty onyx]

I mean tbf u can pop like 2-3 stims in tarkov to run a few Minutes without worrieng about stam too😄

[uneven flax]

But melee isnt that important in tarkov

Hunt melee is core for pve

[raven totem]

throwing melee is meta, stam sdoesn't matter for throwing melee

but go on

[gusty onyx]

So all u wanna do is make a most of the time slowpace game even slower?

[uneven flax]

stam consumption is the only thing that balances melee

So with stam shots the balance is gone

[raven totem]

I mean I just kablam their asses with cnk slugs but go on

[uneven flax]

then you got frontiersman and catalyst so now the melee balance is even worse

No one take dusters anymore

Poor dusters

[raven totem]

hold up na we gotta rewind this weird notion that stam is the only thing balancing melee

[uneven flax]

Frontiersman should add dusters on your left hand so u can double punch

[raven totem]

wtf

[uneven flax]

Catalyst frontiersman dusters add duster on ur teeth

[raven totem]

nerf stam shots which are already on mosts chopping block, and buff frontiersman.

[uneven flax]

Catalyst frontiersman knife make u wolverine claw with 3 knives

Ye boy

[uneven flax]

What if frontiersman halves the stamina consumption for non throwable melee?

So it buffs them also not just axe throwing knife and spear

But i guess it sometimes might nOt matter the way stam shots are now

[raven totem]

frontiersman is already a pretty meta trait, and idk why you think it should be tied to melee

[uneven flax]

Cause throwable melee op af

Overshadows the trinity

Knife heavy knife and dusters

[raven totem]

I mean the main think that killed knife and knickle knife from being ran was flair pistol and penny ringer

people made room

because dead ass around rotjaws release everyone and their brother was running, kk, medkit, chokes, axes. and that was it, almos entire lobbies

[uneven flax]

Someone said here they might xombine tool and consumable slots?

Hope so. Ill have a room for penny

[raven totem]

ye, eventually

just take out chokes, duh

[uneven flax]

NO

[dreamy cave]

Uhh have you met the legend @unique trail ?

[uneven flax]

How will i loot burning enemy

Id rather die than not loot

[raven totem]

ya, your boy is all like, no they lit me on fire, and you go, I told you not to peak that bro, here's a necro they won't farm you

[whole furnace]

Well it is kinda a heavy assumption based on a Cryte post of the past

[left orbit]

slow ass temamates

what are they doing

[left orbit]

there is nothing to loot except ammo

[unique trail]

POV ur about ti get dusted

[raven totem]

they literally said it in one spot, but I'm wondering if something came up in testing they didn't like.

because I think we might be past the last roadmap things

[unique trail]

@uneven flax think before you type i beg

[whole furnace]

God, don't make look up the post again

[raven totem]

listen, we can just make glaiiring assumptions I'm right, and just both be lazy

[whole furnace]

And like... I can tell you a thousand ways how just making tools and consumable interchangeable will break the game lol

[raven totem]

x

I am

so past my bedtime

[uneven flax]

Same

It 2am

[raven totem]

it's 2pm

I'm about to go into the, I'm anxious about not sleeping so i can't sleep phase

[light sky]

[whole furnace]

We are exploring systemic changes, such as how we can combine Consumable and Tool slots to unlock new levels of loadout diversity and encourage creative builds.
Here is the quote

Sounds a little more than just making the slots agnostic

[raven totem]

just becaUSE YOU WANT TO ARGUE IT WON'T BE THAT, MAKES ME WANT IT TO BE THAT SO i CAN TOUT VICTORY

[whole furnace]

Which good, bc 8 fucking fire beetles seems to be a bad idea lmao

[uneven flax]

Maybe min 2-3 slots for each

So you can only have 4-6 tools or consumables

[raven totem]

I can't be asked to fix that, ya that would be hella annoying

[uneven flax]

Or just minimum 3 slots

[raven totem]

and you said it, so certainly someone will do it

[whole furnace]

I assume they gonna add a "slot system" akin to 1/2/3-slot weapons, so a spear take up maybe 2 slots and so on.

[uneven flax]

So +- slot for each

[light sky]

Doubt they would allow people to bring 8 beetles tbh

[raven totem]

imagine delany in qa testing agnostic slots

[uneven flax]

PLS. Spear take 6 slots ty

[whole furnace]

lol

[uneven flax]

Penny take 9 slots

[whole furnace]

But yeah, I assume it is gonna classify gear into tiers so people cannot just run all good stuff.

Because if not, it just gonna be people skipping on chokes for an extra recovery shot or ammobox

[uneven flax]

They should do that for weapons

[raven totem]

oh you're doing that hopefull bit where you think crytek is going to depower us, I don't think it's going to go that route

[uneven flax]

Mosin auto5 lebel krag should be 4 slot

[whole furnace]

I kinda assume something is in the works for that too, since they made sucha fuss about the "carbines" being their own type

So dunno maybe long rifles becomes 4 slots

[whole furnace]

I can feel it in me bones!
Any day now!

He said copingly

[raven totem]

maybie they'll nerf shotguns on that patch as well, right after the next berthier buff

[uneven flax]

Yeah. Make it slot points so it doesnt become confusing.

QM gives 5 slot points
Default is 4

[light sky]

Crytek will take our weapons and we will just use melee weapons

Machete meta

[raven totem]

proceeds to literally make the slot system more confusing

[whole furnace]

Hunt: Scandinavia

[whole furnace]

I mean ain't just like how it is currently?

[uneven flax]

No but if you assign long rifles as 4 slot points that means you cannot bring a pistol anymore

Without QM

[whole furnace]

Aaaaah

[uneven flax]

Which is why there could be piztols that are 0 slot points

Like a nagant

[whole furnace]

Yeah, tho funny that would include Infantry and Cenny too

[uneven flax]

So if u have a mosin u can only bring a nagant or base scott

[whole furnace]

Guess even springy

long ass rifle

[uneven flax]

So 4 slot points max 2 weapons

Make weak weapons nagant, scott and baseball bat 0 slot points

So u can take it with mosins and krags

[whole furnace]

And machete

[uneven flax]

Yeah

[whole furnace]

But yeah there are some challenges

bc Romero is a long gun

does that also get hit?

[uneven flax]

U can probably make vandal 1 slot points

So with QM u can do mosin and vandal

[light sky]

Can't let PotatoSalad into the kitchen

[uneven flax]

I think slot points should be based on weapon power

So romero is a long shotgun but its not meta tier

So just make it 3 slot

[whole furnace]

I get that, but I like some kind of "logic" system over that.

[uneven flax]

Romero is long but it light

Mosin long and heavy

[spark plaza]

amogus

[light sky]

I don't think Mosins are heavy

[whole furnace]

4kg

[tall canopy]

4kg of what

[uneven flax]

What if we remove slot term and make it power.

It’s just i know everyone hates mosin and crown combos. Thats cause its two really strong guns

Reworking weapon slots to balance them can be a solution

[uneven flax]

4kg of bullshit meta spirit

[whole furnace]

Mosin

[neon glacier]

Someone was all the way up top inside lockbay guys

How

[tall canopy]

thank god its not 4kg of steel

[wooden ember]

bug or cheat ig

[light sky]

Pretty light

[wooden ember]

me with my mosin obrez + small crown 😈

[whole furnace]

Dunno, like an AR15 is 2.97kg and more compact.
Mosin is a long rifle, so it is a lot of weight you need to counter act.

1.2m of rifle to be exact

[gray aurora]

Need more tool slots for all my traps

[light sky]

Funnily enough Lebel is heavier than Mosin, another victory for the meta I guess

[whole furnace]

Yeee and longer too

[light sky]

Berthier my goat is the lightest

Always on top

[whole furnace]

It was a common complaint about the rifle, fully loaded it was quite heavy.

[uneven flax]

I’d say just make everything else as it is but make specific meta weapons 4 slot points

That prevents the mosin crown combos

Even mosin slate or krag crown

Removing QM or making QM expensive or scarce hurts weak QM loadouts

Romero alamo and centennial shorty

Sad

[whole furnace]

Or make them scarce

:>

The meta weapons

Bai mosin, you going to the lootbox!

[light sky]

Doubt that is happening

Considering people also payed for skins for said weapons

[whole furnace]

The technology is there

[odd plover]

How it's possible when i play duo i have 2 mmr star, but killing like 4 enemies, but sometimes play solo and have 3 star lol

[whole furnace]

To apply skins when opening a box in-match

[whole furnace]

Because of matchmaking modifiers :)
You are performing well enough as a solo for the game to think you are 3 star :)

[odd plover]

ah okay

but i think get more than 4 its increadible

[light sky]

Not the point, people payed money to use a skin on a weapon they could use any time. Turning that into only being able to use that skin after getting in and trying to find that weapon so they could use the skin the payed for...

[whole furnace]

That said, keep playing and the MMR rating will adjust, it tends to be a little wild in the beginning

[light sky]

Pretty much asking for a lawsuit or something

[whole furnace]

Dunno, plenty of other battle royals have that system, seems like people are fine with that.

[odd plover]

I have 172 hours lol in game

[whole furnace]

Ah fair nuff

[light sky]

Is not the same for Hunt

[whole furnace]

Dunno, EULA gonna EULA

[light sky]

In BR you already know weapons are random loot

[odd plover]

i think mmr system is not good or something

[light sky]

In Hunt you pay money for skins for already available as equipment

[whole furnace]

You can also argue that there is a lawsuit waiting to happening bc the Avto got nerfed to the ground and is "unplayable" and basically a soft removal of the weapon.

Or that meta items makes certain item unplayable

[light sky]

You can still use the avto

And equipt
the skin

[pine rose]

change my mind: there's nothing more satisfying than a headshot with any bolt or arrow weapon

[uneven flax]

Or honestly just make xxx dollar max weapon value. 900 dollars?

Dolch being 690 u can only take maybe a centennial. :3

[jolly parcel]

172 hours? youre still new

[whole furnace]

And you can do the same by opening a scarce ammo crate in-match 🤷‍♀️
Again, I haven't read the EULA, but I'm sure we have all signed that Crytek can do whatever

As long they don't outright remove the skin

[light sky]

A balance change is not on the same ground on turning a regular weapon into scarced and becoming basically a gambling to obtain

[jolly parcel]

can they balance monroe

[uneven flax]

The problem is u bought skins cor it making it scarce makes the skin u paid for hard to access

[jolly parcel]

make head less shiny

[whole furnace]

Is a thing in other games

[uneven flax]

But you used to access it quick

Now u dont

[jolly parcel]

or shinier (like looking at the electric lamp) either one is fine with me

[uneven flax]

It dances on deceptive marketing

[light sky]

That's the point, thanks

[spark plaza]

Holy W take

[whole furnace]

Not really, as far I am aware it none of the DLC pages for any of the guns says: GRANTS YOU ACCESS TO THIS WEAPON SKIN AT ANY TIME NO MATTER WHAT.

[uneven flax]

Honestly it’s up for the court to decide

Shit like this is what unites communities lol

[light sky]

EU is very pro consumer

[uneven flax]

And could spark some major controversy

[light sky]

Community will be mad

Lawsuit prob will happen

[whole furnace]

Dunno man, people needs to stop being piss babies if it means it could create a better game.

[spark plaza]

Spooky speaking facts ???

[paper anvil]

2 matches,2 level 50 hunters, doubled my hunt dollars and got like 30-40 levels

[uneven flax]

If they make mosin scarce they better refund us the skins

[whole furnace]

Not really

[uneven flax]

It’s never gonna happen

[spark plaza]

@ dizz

[light sky]

People spend money to use skins, having a barrier for such paid skin is literally bad

[uneven flax]

EU is very strit on shit like this

[light sky]

It wouldn't matter if it was for example for the Homestead, people already know it is scarce

So they know what they are buying

[paper anvil]

wait what's going on

i just opened the chat and read lawsuit and scarce gun

[uneven flax]

It’s official mosin will be scarce

Sorry bro

Deez nutz

Did i do that right

[light sky]

@Grok, tldr the convo

[whole furnace]

a. You acknowledge that HUNT: SHOWDOWN 1896 is a “live service game". This means that HUNT: SHOWDOWN 1896 and its content, game mode etc. is under constant development. This also includes a change of the name of HUNT: SHOWDOWN 1896.

Here

That is what you've signed on

[light sky]

EULA aren't safe towards the law

[uneven flax]

Court really doesnt care about EULA if there are potential offenses to rights or law

[light sky]

If that were the case we wouldn't have rights after awful EULAs

Like Subnautica 2

Lol

[paper anvil]

bro wtf,what about our skins

[whole furnace]

No, but it still a part of it

Otherwise it wouldn't be a thing

[light sky]

EULA are mostly there to notify you stuff, but aren't absolute towards the law

[whole furnace]

Ofc not

[light sky]

If Crytek somehow does some fucked up stuff rewarding consumer's money, they can still get demanded

[whole furnace]

For sure

[uneven flax]

If a EULA says “we can revoke paid content for any reason whatsoever”

But the country’s law doesnt like that the company will be caught red handed

It doesnt matter. Company words isnt absolute unless there’s bribe money

[whole furnace]

Ofc not, there is a section about it here too.

But still we are agreeing to the fact that the product we have brought is subject to change

[paper anvil]

how much was mosin bear tooth ? bought it but forgot the price

[uneven flax]

The law doesnt care about what some 400-employee indie company say on their eula

[whole furnace]

That is free no?

[light sky]

Wouldn't save them from a Lawsuit

[paper anvil]

oh was it a drop ?

[light sky]

Consumer's money matters in EU

[paper anvil]

oh bear tooth is free

ok nvm then

[whole furnace]

Yes, but still, going into court with an agreed contract is not a strong position.

[paper anvil]

now question is,how will crytek refund us the mosin skins from the battlepass

[whole furnace]

Again, the skins are still available in the game

They are not deleted

[light sky]

Paying for something that was available at all times then becomes a hustle to get/use is already calling for trouble

[light sky]

That's not the point

[whole furnace]

It is tho?

[spark plaza]

Lowkey spooky right tho!!

[paper anvil]

especially the ones from bileweaver event cuz that bp had skins for every mosin variant

[whole furnace]

Because you want them to be right or?

[light sky]

Is for what you PAYED at the moment and the sudden change into the conditions to use it

[spark plaza]

No cause he's making valid points ☝️😭

[whole furnace]

Dunno man, I'd still argue as long you have access to those skins in game thru the games mechanics and systems it is not breaking any laws.

[paper anvil]

yo crytek listen here: refund the skins but keep them and make them like half the price since it's a scarce gun which can't be accessed that often

[uneven flax]

Mcree is american

[whole furnace]

I am not

Danish

[uneven flax]

He’s used to getting fucked in the ass

[whole furnace]

in fact

[uneven flax]

Danish biscuits good bro

[whole furnace]

I just don't think there is difference between something getting nerfed to the ground and becoming unplayable vs. something becoming obtainable in a different way.

Like if I brought regenshot skins bc I thought they were strong and the skin looked cool and then crytek nerf them to to be 1 min and 2 min duration

Can I sue too?

[paper anvil]

whether it's legal or not is indeed a problem but another one is how this will affect the game overall, you think that this won't get backlash ? playercount will drop,probably similar to what i heard 1896 update was (or maybe not as severe)

[spark plaza]

Brother, having the option to choose something at all times is not the same as something decided by chance

[whole furnace]

You don't know that will happen.

[spark plaza]

Not even close

[whole furnace]

Yet other games have skins that can only be accessed by chance.

[spark plaza]

They're already built with that in mind, Hunt is Hunt.

[paper anvil]

balance change that doesn't affect your wallet vs cosmetic change that affects your wallet

[random nimbus]

[whole furnace]

I'd rather have skins I only see due to random chance on something that is a viable play piece than the 34 different small antidote and stam shots that just gather dust in my inventory.

[frigid ibex]

There's a stop killing games movement