hunt-general

[hollow coral]

Yeah the servers are really bad tonight. Bullets derender, packet loss, red bar, rubberband. Hope it will fix itself by tomorrow

[south shore]

Diiba the Number Knower

[fathom shale]

Diiba the wiki opener

[hollow coral]

I was lazy

[fathom shale]

I have the wiki bookmarked on my browser since I need to check stuff on it so often

[hollow coral]

Ngl i forgot the wiki exists. And i had no more dumdum left for Maynard

-# and forgot about the range

[fathom shale]

Just make sure to use the new one if you are going to

!wiki

[graceful hedge]

For more up-to-date information for Hunt: Showdown 1896 you can check out the wiki here: https://huntshowdown.wiki.gg/

If you have the time and knowledge we would love to see more people help with adding relevant information to it!

[hollow coral]

Is that the official one now ?

Or also Community

[fathom shale]

Community

[eternal cairn]

I miss centi bleed

[fathom shale]

But being updated by one of our contribs and not using cringe fandom

[hollow coral]

Kewl

Thank ya

I cant find anything about fast fingers. Is it just a set percentage faster or is every gun different ?

[fathom shale]

I have no idea tbh

I think it's different on each gun

[hollow coral]

Bcs on Martini it feels amazing but Maynard somehow it feels slower

[dry hawk]

it never left

[eternal cairn]

I mean, it's p rare. Spitzer is in damn near every tower throughout the game.. but I don't see dumdum a whole lot

[atomic coral]

You'll see officer carbine dumdum more often than a dumdum box

[eternal cairn]

Truuuueee

[quiet hinge]

I honestly find dum dum quite often

[eternal cairn]

Spitzer is both purchasable and in boxes

[quiet hinge]

nearly every other match I feel

[upbeat lark]

I believe it's different on each gun

The fastest reload is on the martini or the Springfield cause it have the simplest action

[tidal cypress]

any tip to start playing solo?

[quiet hinge]

are you new to the game or just want to start playing solo

[upbeat lark]

Maynard being the slower cause the player need to both manually take out the casing and replace the striking cap

[random nimbus]

I think one reason they feel so different is that the reloads themselves all feel a good bit different

Springfield feels great with FF, Martini to me not so much

[dense sleet]

martini just doesnt feel like it recieves much in terms of increase

[random nimbus]

Sparks FF is kinda...odd?

[dense sleet]

but spring you can feel the difference, same with Sparks i feel it but its not like astronomical like the Spring

[upbeat lark]

Martini for me already have fast enough of a reload for me to not want fast finger to it

Using 2 different ammo type with fast finger is a hassle too

[fathom shale]

I think you get more bullets than you normally would have by doing that tho

https://youtu.be/aAr11MhvfNQ?si=gyNfBfXcFZJngNFa

[upbeat lark]

Do you as far as I remember the ammo pool total is still the same

Oh the 2 different type thing?

[fathom shale]

While also resupplying more ammo since you will get ammo for both

[upbeat lark]

Yea I always use one half special and one half base on the single shot guns

Dang 3 more ammo on the sparks is quite big

[tidal cypress]

kinda new but my friends dont play anymore haha and i want to improve by myself

[turbid dock]

Try to third party as much as possible. 1v2 or 1v3 is pretty rough, and if there are multiple teams fighting your enemies might not know you're solo, giving you a chance to necro and maybe even pop an Empres

Solos thrive in chaos and confusion

You're also generally gonna be better than any trio or even duo player you encounter because of the MMR benefit, so be confident and be a menace

When i play solo i will usually just hide or run from any early 1v2 or 1v3 and wait for the big bounty fight instead

[quiet hinge]

probably the best advice i could give you is that you don't have to take every fight. And even if you do take a fight, you can decide to just leave that fight all together. You don't need to commit basically

[upbeat lark]

You're the only one who get to make the decision
Unlike in a team where you'll need the agreement of the collective to decide in something

Temped to play solo tbh my randoms is so bloodthirsty

[neon glacier]

Only start fights with a headshot

[eternal cairn]

I got blown up through a metal wall

[upbeat lark]

Like they actively chase other hunters even though our resources is severely depleted

[eternal cairn]

Completely enclosed with no openings

[quiet hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cable-guy-medieval-gif-20367935

[upbeat lark]

What dynamite

Big dynamite tend to do that they're very lethal

[eternal cairn]

big dyna 10m but past a metal door and a whole enclosed metal wall?????

Helloooo???

[quiet hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-jeff-goldblum-gif-14058551

[neon glacier]

Some people don’t realize they have a chance to resupply and get back to fighting

[quiet hinge]

the door

[eternal cairn]

If the explosion is that big, that building doesn't stand

[upbeat lark]

Ye big dynamite is really really lethal

[eternal cairn]

METAL DOOR

[upbeat lark]

Yea

[quiet hinge]

doors are fucked when it comes to big dynamite bundles

[neon glacier]

What metal door

Do we have 1

[eternal cairn]

The one without holes

[quiet hinge]

the sliding metal door with no holes such as la plada mine

[neon glacier]

Ahhh

[eternal cairn]

Yeah

[upbeat lark]

Yea big dynamite do be like that

[quiet hinge]

it honestly took me a bit to think of one though

[upbeat lark]

I believe there's one time where I got killed from 1 room away

[whole furnace]

Mornings people

[neon glacier]

I died once behind a wooden wall by big dynamite now i never stay close

[eternal cairn]

That whole ass building does not stand if it goes through that much metal shit

[rocky citrus]

The Tarot Chariot cannot be used again within 5 minutes. What stupid designer came up with this?
How can players chase down bounty hunters?
This is a piece of crap design.

[eternal cairn]

To keep people from flipping it back and forth

[whole furnace]

While there is a lot to hate about chariot, I don't really think that is issue lol

[quiet hinge]

can you imagine if there was no 5 minute cooldown and a team brought 12 chariot cards? can you just imagine it for a moment?

[neon glacier]

I would’ve brought 2 each game

[whole furnace]

Also it instantly becomes "the best counter to chariot is chariot", which Chariot already are to a lesser degree.

[upbeat lark]

I think it's more of an issue if the chariot team is camping and only fight when the bounty resource is depleted but that's a valid strat so

[quiet hinge]

I love chariot

[upbeat lark]

I never used chariot tbh

[quiet hinge]

Best thing since sliced bread probably

[whole furnace]

Really hope they gonna balance it a little more

[late walrus]

i hope they buff chariot just for you

[neon glacier]

You’re also a bounty hunter which make chasing bounty team make sense

[upbeat lark]

Make it permanently burn 1 health bar of everyone in the team

[late walrus]

make it lock every extract until the card holder says to put them back

sheeesh

[quiet hinge]

ohh the levels of griefing this would cause lmao

[whole furnace]

Naw, just make it actually require some skill to use.

[upbeat lark]

Oh yeah that's bad

[quiet hinge]

what do you want a QTE? lol

[turbid dock]

What are people's issues with chariot

[neon glacier]

Chariot is not really a big issue you can tell weather you’re getting chariot by enemy or not

[turbid dock]

I don't get it

[whole furnace]

Less universal application of the card.
It is very positional agnostic to use and requires no foresight or planning.

[rocky citrus]

The cooldown period for using the Chariot Tarot deck is the most foolish and mindless design. If it were me, I would never design it this way. There must be a better way to solve the balance problem.

[neon glacier]

It’s easy to tell if someone’s going to use it

[turbid dock]

So like, use chariot and the extracts swap after a timer? One minute or so?

[quiet hinge]

I mean this isn't really true, there are plenty of times where extracts are close to each other and one is locked and the other is open making chariot useless

[whole furnace]

For me, rn, is more the static spawn of it and that the best counter to it, is another Chariot card :)

[rocky citrus]

Now, the bounty hunters will use the Chariot Tarot card to retreat immediately. How can other players pursue them? Sometimes the extraction point is nearby, and sometimes two extraction points are in the same location, very close to each other.

[turbid dock]

The guaranteed chariot spawn is definitely a little bit disappointing

I definitely think people should bring it willingly

And sacrifice something else

[quiet hinge]

if this was the case, then they should just allow you to purchase cards

[whole furnace]

I've given my suggestion how to balance it, simply put instead of flipping extracts it just extend the extraction timer for 30 seconds.

[upbeat lark]

Make chariot spawn another bounty that deny everyone from extracting before it's banished

[turbid dock]

That could work, or maybe it locks all extracts for 30-60 secs or so

[upbeat lark]

This is a joke

[whole furnace]

Yes, but statically unlikely due to you flipping two open edge extracts into opening and egde and middle extract :)

[whole furnace]

Yeah, lemme find the text I wrote.

[turbid dock]

I definitely want chariot to be more of an anti-extract tool than a pro-extract tool, but it's also cool when it has multiple uses like it does now

[sweet stirrup]

Anyone have “criiy3” add them on discord, apparently they’re in this server.

??

[quiet hinge]

what the fuck?

[whole furnace]

Unlocks the middle extract and extends the extraction timer by 30 seconds for the next 3 minutes. Chars 24 point worth of health.
There will be a minor rework needed and that is simply unlocking the last edge extract and then giving Chariot the unique ability to access that.
And ofc this is less strong, so you don't burn a bar.

[turbid dock]

For the record, the reason the timer exists is to make sure that if you've used chariot to stop an extract, the extracting team doesn't get to just use their own chariot to flip them back

There are other issues ofc, but the timer stops this one

[jolly parcel]

going to have my entire trios bring 4 chariots cards each

[whole furnace]

Tho that is still a factor as the only counter play to an chariot card is having your own chariot card and run to a closed extract and flip it open lol.
Chariot still is the best counter to Chariot lol

[sweet stirrup]

Not sure sir. My thoughts is that they’re an OF scammer

[turbid dock]

Hmm i wonder if i kinda prefer just locking all extracts for like 30-60 ish secs, then when they open the middle extract is open too*

I just think locking for a short time is a neater solution

More readable

[quiet hinge]

why are you telling people to add some random fuck who you're saying is a scammer?

[jolly parcel]

i think he miscommunicated

he oceania english prob not first language

[turbid dock]

If you want to use it to extract in the middle you need to use it with foresight, if you want to block an extract you have to time it

[sweet stirrup]

No I asked if anyone else was added by them

[whole furnace]

Question tho, does it reset the time on a team that is currently trying to extracting then?

[turbid dock]

I think it probably should

[quiet hinge]

ahh I see, probably just ignore it and move on

[sweet stirrup]

Correct mr cock sir

[turbid dock]

Maybe not, not sure

If it does reset the timer you get rewarded more for correctly guessing the timer i giess

There's skill expression to that

[quiet hinge]

idk I don't really think chariot is a big deal, if anything it encourages the bounty team to wipe the map, and if they know that someone has been to burning cart to just expect the chariot to begin with

[whole furnace]

Mhm mhm

[neon glacier]

the point of the card is to block an extract point this is just gonna make it useless tbh

[whole furnace]

But it is an extraction shooter not a TDM

[jolly parcel]

why does crytek like to nerf everything i enjoy "chariot"

its always that loud minority

[quiet hinge]

which is why they have two extraction options, one closer one further

[whole furnace]

Still blocking the extract, but also still forces the user of the card to keep pushing.

[rocky citrus]

What I want to do is leave the bounty hunters behind and force them to fight; that's all I'm trying to say.
The cooldown time of the Chariot Tarot cards has made the game very boring, so some players just collect their bounty and leave.

[jolly parcel]

next thing you know clash will be put on rotation and only accessible ocassionaly

[whole furnace]

That is not how Chariot is used.

[quiet hinge]

chariot is not used to block people running to extract?

seems like I've been using it wrong all this time i guess

[whole furnace]

For sure, I just want the users of chariot to still keep pushing when they use it.
They are still on the backfoot as they have failed to meet up at the bounty lair to begin with.

[turbid dock]

It obv can be used for that, and probably was mostly intended to be, but if you're a smart cookie you can also use it to guarantee yourself an extract

[quiet hinge]

doesn't this incentivise people going to the bounty regardless?

[turbid dock]

It does, yeah

[neon glacier]

if it only extends the timer its only good when ur close to them i think the card is good to stop ppl from picking and leaving but its being used wrong

[whole furnace]

More that people are using it last second when they are on extract.
Meaning that the extracting team will (almost) never have the time to rotate to the next extract.

I just want the chariot team to actually be somewhere near the extract when the card is used and forced to move in after using it, bc rn they don't have to do that.

[rocky citrus]

Honestly, HUNT balance is the worst I've ever played... and the developers don't seem to have any intention of improving it.

[turbid dock]

That's a stretch lol

[whole furnace]

That is the point, because right now it is "free" to use.
You cannot really do a "bad Chariot" card.
The card could honestly read "delete all extractions until only one team stands left", because that is how it plays out atm.

[quiet hinge]

I mean if you're not going to the bounty and waiting for them to leave the compound and run to a open extract instead of them opening up an extract, is that really a problem with the card or the problem with the way people are playing?

[turbid dock]

You can never blame player behavior

It doesn't solve any issues

You always design the game to encourage fun and interesting player behavior

[neon glacier]

they just need to make cards spawn random

[whole furnace]

Bounty team is rarely the ones with chariot.
Because as soon the first boss banish, another team is going for the chariot card.

[whole furnace]

For me that is kinda a scarce solution.
Doesn't solve how inherently problematic the card is designed.
And I do think this event have exposed Chariots power and we gonna see it much more even after the static spawn is gone.

[quiet hinge]

this is so confusing to me because obviously I don't know what other people do, but burning cart has like 3 static spawns on the map. After your first clue you pretty much know if its close or not regardless if theres a tower

[turbid dock]

Alternatively, or in addition to any other reworks, should using chariot also maybe reveal your location on the map?

[whole furnace]

That doesn't matter.

[rocky citrus]

The problem could have been solved by limiting the distance from which the Chariot Tarot cards could be used, instead of limiting the time it could be used. The foolish Crytek designers didn't even think of that.

[turbid dock]

That wouldn't solve the issue of double charioting to just undo the last chariot tho

[whole furnace]

But would solve that people kinda can use it everywhere and doesn't have to make a play after using it.

At least why I want a timer instead of locking

[neon glacier]

ye makes sense

[whole furnace]

Bc I am sick of getting to an extract and the get locked while a whole sniper team is just sitting out there not pushing.

And you are on an "island" bc extract spawns are not that cluttered

and you are against a wall.

[late walrus]

im not at home rn

there is a gaming laptop here

i have installed hunt and i have found a mouse

[neon glacier]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sonion-1--k01KRFQYXNV37SCSNHA18A048HH

[late walrus]

proper audio is for the weak i will just use speakers and panic

[turbid dock]

And ngl, it's kinda funny how you're calling the designers at crytek stupid while suggesting a solution that legit doesn't address that specific problem at all lol

It usually doesn't help to think of yourself as the smartest person in the room

[neon glacier]

after sll they made this card i belive for ppl that complained of players picking bounty and leaving first 5 mins of game

[turbid dock]

I rarely encounter this myself, but i 100% agree It's a use case of chariot that shouldn't exist

If someone wants to block an extract that's good, but they should also put some effort into it and be there for the fight

[whole furnace]

Yeah hence make be a timer extender/temp lock instead, still force forward movement of the users.
And I see people saying it should just affect the nearest extract, but god the times where people gonna use it and then the wrong extract locks up bc they eyeballed the distance wrong gonna be maddening, especially bc we have a middle extract being a permanet factor for such.

[turbid dock]

Yeah i don't think that would contribute much as a solution either

[rocky citrus]

Customize your Chariot Tarot deck.
The Chariot Tarot deck for chasing bounty hunters has a 5-minute usage time limit and a limited number of uses, but no distance limit.
The Chariot Tarot deck for escaping players has a cooldown time limit, no limited number of uses, but a distance limit.
The usable area is marked with circles on the map; the chariot can only be used after entering the circle.

[turbid dock]

Like there's very little functional difference between needing to be near the extract and making the lock/timer extension temporary. both force you to be nearby to capitalize on it, but only the latter is a clean solution without jank

[whole furnace]

"Yes, I'll take overdesigned bloat for 1000"

[whole furnace]

And I guess there gonna be a like a grace period after use, otherwise people can just stack 3-4 uses of chariot.

[random nimbus]

I still like the temporary lockout idea better

[turbid dock]

Yup, we keep the grace period

And the last 5 minutes immunity

[whole furnace]

Also someone suggested the idea to make the center extract a pledge one.
Which I honestly think would be cool

Tho it would be like 4+ pledges

[stuck hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/curious-very-curious-magnifying-glass-looking-peeking-gif-3027926178787907205

[whole furnace]

Was it you?

[stuck hatch]

i smell chariot discussion

[whole furnace]

No

Carrot discussion

[stuck hatch]

ahhh helll nahh

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[whole furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-musume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-ウマ-gif-3513619256506705612

[jolly parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-13636154074021418413

[turbid dock]

I think I've mentioned the idea of making extracts cost something but not seriously, and pledge marks as they stand probably aren't a serious enough currency

[stuck hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/756599931896201337/1503239380138201088/0510_1.gif

[eternal cairn]

I dunno, I don't really have issue with the Chariot card, but also it's nice to use if I get it when I was in a long fight and bounty has extract at their compound

[stuck hatch]

i made the same suggestion tbh, but uhhh you can imagine how that went

[jolly parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-1896-monroe-the-commited-gif-12015995110235388085

[stuck hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993271288858689647/1503239640683909151/05101.gif

[turbid dock]

I suggested it should cost 100 blood bonds to extract

[jolly parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-1896-monroe-commited-gif-4439331718774416585

[stuck hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-eyebrow-raise-eyebrow-lift-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-dwayne-johnson-gif-27708319

[jolly parcel]

prestige 100 requirement to unlock extract

[eternal cairn]

1 whole dollar to leave the game? Man, no one would play

[whole furnace]

cost 100bb to ||fail extracting with a bounty||

[turbid dock]

You're right, not expensive enough. 1000 blood bonds

[stuck hatch]

the price just went up

[eternal cairn]

Oh you right

o7

[stuck hatch]

its gunna be 2.99

[eternal cairn]

Not 3.50?

Dang

[jolly parcel]

what did nintendo say? due to unexpected market conditions switch will rise in price.
Crytek "due to unexpected market conditions you will need to buy the battle pass and submit 100 blood bonds to get to extract"

[turbid dock]

Entered a match and didn't either die or extract with a bounty? Yeah we're deleting your account

[eternal cairn]

@jolly parcel but they also said they were dropping the price of games which is nice

[stuck hatch]

yea, but anyway i suggested chariot maybe increasing the timer, and the locked extract cost pledge mark(s) instead.

[stuck hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/rise-hand-rise-hand-rise-up-cat-me-too-gif-24649542

[jolly parcel]

bring back explosive crossbow so i can artillery strike extractts again. chu chu ka shu explosive is a lame as weapon

[stuck hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[eternal cairn]

GIMME MY XBLOW!

[jolly parcel]

smh

[stuck hatch]

i meme

[eternal cairn]

It's a fun weapon, we're not allowed fun, only sweat

[turbid dock]

Hey what if they added the ability to drop bounties on the ground lmfao

[jolly parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[turbid dock]

The lightning stays on the bounty so you can bait people

[eternal cairn]

Dude, honestly, that would be cool

[jolly parcel]

only thing id want is drop weapons; or drop everything in inventory

[eternal cairn]

Guys we can't even split up dualies.. sounds impossible

[whole furnace]

That would be sucha toxic thing.
Just run to the corner of lawson drop it in the water, move back with a sniper, enjoy.

[jolly parcel]

put it up in the big ass tower left of maw battery. throw 4 concertinas along the stair case

[turbid dock]

Lmfao i love this

[whole furnace]

Just for context

[turbid dock]

Sayler did this by dying and having a teammate

[whole furnace]

yes

[turbid dock]

Wait no I'm watching the video now, he didn't even die, he just stood there behind a wall of concertina lmao

The goat

This elaborate type of shit is the good kind of rattery

[whole furnace]

pretty sure he have done one where he kills himself too

[rocky citrus]

I've come up with a way to balance the Chariot Tarot deck:

1. The Chariot Tarot deck will rotate between locking and unlocking extraction points whenever an extraction point is used, with no distance restrictions. The previous player unlocks the extraction point, and the next player using the Chariot Tarot deck will lock it.

2. Restrict Chariot usage. Whether it's a solo player or a three-player team, after using a Chariot, any remaining Chariots in your hand or your teammates' Chariots cannot be used immediately; there's a time limit.

3. The advantage of this is that regardless of whether it's a solo or three-player team, the first use of the Chariot will lock onto the player you want to extract. Any remaining Chariot Tarot cards in your hand or with your teammates cannot be used immediately and have a cooldown period. Afterwards, no matter who uses the Chariot Tarot deck, the extraction point will immediately change between locked and unlocked states.

[whole furnace]

So how it is now, but also cementing the fact that the best counter to chariot is chariot.

Sounds like awful design to me.

[rocky citrus]

Please note the following two points: When a player or teammate uses the Chariot Tarot, the user and other teammates cannot immediately use the remaining Chariot Tarot cards they are carrying.

Furthermore, the Chariot Tarot can immediately change or unlock locked extraction points, instead of being useless as it is now, leaving players helplessly watching the bounty hunter extract.

[whole furnace]

Note two key points: When a lone player or team member uses a vehicle, the other teammates cannot immediately use it.
So how it is right now?

Also, the vehicle can immediately change the locked extraction point, instead of being useless and simply watching the bounty hunter extract.
Not sure what point you are trying to make here

[late walrus]

can very easily balance chariot by making it spawn 3 boxes of FMJ, 3 dolch Ps, and a QM spur
and make it lock every single extract until the user says otherwise

so that your team may stand a chance against bounty

without this the card is simply useless

i mean come on all it does is change the flow of the game smh

[whole furnace]

New Chariot: Everyone goes to the Gulag.

[rocky citrus]

In other words, regardless of who uses the Chariot Tarot cards, the extraction point will be either locked or unlocked.

[late walrus]

are you using an ai translator

[whole furnace]

I am honestly very lost on what your current issue with chariot is rn

[neon glacier]

i think theyre saying whoever uses chariot will get a timer limit and any other team can use it to counter ? idk

[rocky citrus]

It's unreasonable that I can't immediately use a Tarot card to stop a bounty hunter's retreat due to the cooldown time.

Unless in a team, there shouldn't be a restriction on each player's first use of the Chariot Tarot card. Only one player in a 3-person team can use it; other teammates will have time restrictions on its use.

[turbid dock]

They just want to move the timer to only apply to the team that uses it instead of globally, meaning if you have the bounty, chariot, and are running, you're completely free to just counter any enemy chariot by using your own

I don't know what this is trying to solve, all it does is reintroduce the problem the current timer is trying to solve

[short halo]

Yeah, the timer is in place to stop chariot spam from everyone on the map

[whole furnace]

okay, yeah no, that is honestly not really something we want.
Because then meta becomes: The best counter to Chariot is using Chariot.

Which is basically already is

[late walrus]

lmao imagine watching like 4 chariot popups

[whole furnace]

But that is another story

[turbid dock]

Chariot locks extracts for like 60 secs gang

[late walrus]

what

[turbid dock]

I'm sure crytek must have tested this at some point while coming up with chariot, kinda wonder why they didn't go with something like that

[whole furnace]

I guess because it wouldn't have a 100% success rate then and they were scared people would call it trash then.

[late walrus]

tbh

im pretty sure crytek is always scared

[turbid dock]

What I meant to say was, I'm firmly in the "chariot should lock extracts for like 60 seconds" gang

[late walrus]

oh

fair

[turbid dock]

Aaand probably unlock the center extract after that time period

[late walrus]

we saw flame rifle release after shredder release

when shredder released it was insane

and then their next scarce weapon

was so painfully mid

[turbid dock]

But maybe the center extract only stays open for a certain time? Not sure.

[late walrus]

and i imagine its cause they were just scared of making something op again

[turbid dock]

Yeah i would be too

[late walrus]

lowk crytek has been like abused bro

[rocky citrus]

There are no restrictions when a player uses the Chariot Tarot deck for the first time. However, each time the Chariot Tarot deck is used, the extraction point will change from locked to unlocked, or from open to locked. This rule only applies to the first use and is irrelevant to the user. After the first use, the remaining Chariot Tarot decks for you and your teammates will have time limits and cannot be used again.

[late walrus]

we got dennis sitting at his computer biting his nails every patch cause hes scared of the community

[whole furnace]

Again, already explained why that would be awful.

[turbid dock]

Its true

The vocal part of hunt's community is full of rabid dogs

[neon glacier]

i mean its rare to see ppl bring chariot to their matches

[turbid dock]

Cough the subreddit cough

[whole furnace]

My playgroup does now.
And I think it will just catch on as we go along.

[rocky citrus]

Honestly, as things stand, other players can't use their vehicles to stop the bounty hunters, and players leaving makes the game even more boring. Many players are only after the bounty, not for the fight itself; they collect the bounty and leave. Tell me, what's the fun in that? (┯_┯)

Damn

[lofty sinew]

they just need to not have static tarot card spawns because that is one of the dumbest ideas crytek has had in a long time.

[rocky citrus]

That's why I keep complaining about how poorly balanced this game is, and it seems like the developers don't intend to address these issues.

[whole furnace]

Okay, but it would also mean if you try to use a chariot card to block someone, they can just use their own and flip it back?

Like

Haven't that part crossed your mind?

[lofty sinew]

chariot really wasn't a problem until the static spawns and people thus being able to use it literally every round.

[late walrus]

yeah chariot was funny when it was just random

[rocky citrus]

However, the Chariot Tarot deck has a time limit. Any remaining player, or any player who still wants to use the Chariot Tarot deck, has no limit on their first use of it. But after the first use, there will be a time limit for continued use.

However, the "Chariot Tarot" card has a limited number of uses. Any remaining player, or anyone still wishing to use the "Chariot Tarot" card, has no limit on the first use. However, subsequent uses will be time-limited.

Each time the "Chariot" card is used, the extraction point changes, effectively preventing some players from using it to escape immediately after claiming the bounty. This also effectively forces some players to use the "Chariot Tarot" card for the first time, preventing bounty hunters from escaping and forcing the bounty hunter team to continue fighting.

[late walrus]

every now and then someone would bring it

[whole furnace]

While it 100% is a factor, I still think it is more a devil's moon dum dum for cenny scenario.
Where people just don't realize how good the thing is until later down the line.

[late walrus]

but now its just like

a part of every match

every match you have to consider people having chariot because it will happen

[whole furnace]

It would just be a nerf for people who wanna use Chariot to block extracts.

[lofty sinew]

yeah maybe. i don't think people are suddenly going to start sacrificing consumable slots to bring it in if it becomes a random spawn and they can't garauntee just going to pick it up. I mean some will. but i still think the problem will evaporate the instant they make it random.

[ruby junco]

Will thew new event start in 3 hrs?

[whole furnace]

Yeah, think it just becomes a "scarce ammo" thing then, where it will sucks when it happens, just the frequency gonna go down.
So I'd rather have something that all around more engaging and fun to have in the game.

[lofty sinew]

If we always got to choose the actually good option hunt would be a very different game 😛

[jolly parcel]

you mean clash

[lofty sinew]

do I? idk. make more words. I can't join those dots.

[rocky citrus]

Please don't forget the current Chariot Tarot deck; once someone uses it, there's a time limit, preventing other players from using it, which is very unreasonable.

Other players should also have the right to use the Chariot Tarot deck immediately upon first use. Regardless of who uses the Chariot Tarot deck, the withdrawal point will change. To continue using the remaining Chariot Tarot decks, all players have a time limit and cannot use them immediately.

[whole furnace]

I mean

Makes sense tho?

Otherwise it cannot block?

Or you force a meta where everyone brings chariot to counter chariot

[turbid dock]

Y'know, i understand the reasons people didn't like frag arrows, but i loved having them equipped because they were such good tools for claiming and pushing buildings. I kinda wish they would just change/nerf some things about them, like making them do basically tickle damage and primarily just applying bleed, so we could get them back as non-scarce

[lofty sinew]

we don't want more chariot. we want less chariot.

we don't want to play hunt : chariot

[whole furnace]

I mean, frag arrows were fine up until 2.0

So like

We have version of it that works

[turbid dock]

I specifically want a version tuned for area denial / claiming though

[whole furnace]

Which the old version were

Like

[turbid dock]

If they dealt very little damage, spamming them against enemies would be basically trolling, but using them as util to hit people inside buildings would be awesome for getting info with the bleed and pressuring them to move

[whole furnace]

The issue why it became an issue were two fold:

• The max reserve per bundle increased from 3 to 5, so double stacking gave you 11 arrows instead of 7.
• Deployable Ammo Boxes really began to hit the meta.

So like, revert max ammo and nerf deployable ammobox

and it is fixed

or make it so you cannot double stack special ammo

There are solutions

[turbid dock]

Yeah, i proposed a possible solution

And its specifically aimed at making frags strong at area denial and util vs damage spam

[whole furnace]

Dunno

Just overthinking it

[turbid dock]

No

[dry hawk]

Yes

[turbid dock]

Higher ammo counts helps make them more reliable space takers than something like consumables

[whole furnace]

Literally just reduce the max amount.
It worked for 7 years.
When Light the Shadow were released the max count was 5, then they nerfed it to 3 after a patch.
And there were no complaints about frag arrows for 7 years.

[turbid dock]

I don't care that "they weren't op before"

[whole furnace]

What

[turbid dock]

We can adjust what specifically they're good and bad at

[whole furnace]

But like, they worked before?
Why go thru hoops to fix it, when we knows what works?

[turbid dock]

Wait you're not listening

[uneven flax]

after winning non stop 4 days ago. i havent won a respectable game in 3 days

😭

[turbid dock]

Frag arrows weren't considered OP or too strong before the ammo change. They "worked". I know that. That doesn't mean their state back then that "worked" was their ideal state. We can still adjust their design from that point

[dry hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-so-over-it's-so-back-we're-back-furrend-we're-back-gif-14776134527725176612

whenever i have a winning spree dave from crytek catches wind and makes my head hitbox 10% bigger i think

[whole furnace]

Dunno, they worked fine.
There were there as a tool, not as a main damage component.
Bc while damage does matter, what made frag arrow stupid afer 2.0 is the fact you could spam them.
If you have 4 of them, you ain't gonna be able to use it as reliable killing source.
Frag arrows were strong because you could send 10 down range to get that hit.

[dry hawk]

and im also pretty sure he adds rng to my bullets

and that im totally not just coping

[turbid dock]

Have you ever tried breaching a compound held by shotgunners etc. with frag arrows or waxed frag charges? Maybe even a basement compound?

The frags work wonders, you can clear room by room and force them to move and give up space. You can be the first mover, which is an incentive hunt is missing. Tools to break stalemates are sorely needed

This is the aspect of frag arrows i think we should lean into

[whole furnace]

Which what they do if they are of limited quantity???

[turbid dock]

Do you agree with any of this? That we need more tools for breaking stalemates? Or that frags are good at it?

[whole furnace]

If you have 4 frag arrows, that means you cannot just spam them willy-nilly, you need to consider their usage.

[lofty sinew]

they've run into this exact ammo economy issue so many times it's pretty sigh it keeps coming back up tbh

dual sparks pistol avto anyone

[whole furnace]

Eyup

[turbid dock]

Just consider this:

If you have lots of frag arrows (like, current amount, 7-8) but they each deal 15 dmg and apply bleed, you can spam them willy nilly but you throw the game by doing so.

These frags will still be great for denying an area and forcing enemies to give up space. And if you have a decent amount of them, you have the supplies to always be the first mover in a stalemate. You won't run out after 4 arrows

[celest wharf]

you havent hunted, till you showed down

🤠

(im really tired)

[whole furnace]

Ah yes, just spam people and build up heavy bleed on them, sucha valid and skillfull plan lol

Naw, people should be thoughtful about their resource usage

[turbid dock]

Bro

I swear to god

[lofty sinew]

it's ok for things to be situationally strong if they're meaningfully restricted in some way. as soon as they are not, it becomes a problem

[whole furnace]

Bro too

[turbid dock]

Do you want to break stalemates or not

[whole furnace]

Stalemates ain't really something I deal with

So like

Cannot really answer that one

[lofty sinew]

i don't think any change to frag arrows is going to "fix" stalemates in hunt showdown

[whole furnace]

But I don't think having room clear for every encounter with one of the most contagious status effect is the solution.

[lofty sinew]

but they would be fine to re-introduce as non-scarce, if like mcree is saying, they were more restricted on usage

[uneven flax]

The best suggestion to fix this discussion: shrinking circle

[lofty sinew]

and then we get that tool back, that sometimes helps, for breaking stalemates..

[frigid ibex]

Bloodless

Half the time I read hunt general, buying bloodless is their solution

[upbeat lark]

Add a storm cloud that shrinks towards the location of the bounty carrier

[gleaming dove]

I’d be willing to compromise…give us a MIRV-type grenade that bounces around and shoots compact ammo and I’ll be willing to part with my frag arrows

[whole furnace]

Then you don't know what the convo is about lol

[frigid ibex]

I think splash damage is cringe

[gleaming dove]

Well I think cyclone is cringe

[lofty sinew]

i think splash damage can be ok.. like it has a place. just when it's allowed and how strong it's allowed to be needs to be carefully considered.

[turbid dock]

I'm not saying frag arrows alone will fix stalemates, never have, but we need more tools for stalemate breaking. Stalemates arise when players don't have the power to be the first mover, when their strongest move is waiting for an enemy mistake.

Turning frag arrows into a specialized area denial / space claiming ammo adds another one of these tools into players hands, and is one step of many others we can take

[uneven flax]

Combine bloodless + hornskin, salveskin + bulwark and we have a stew going

[frigid ibex]

Agreed

[whole furnace]

It have its place, but that is why I think if you design splash damage it shouldn't be "low damage but spammable" lol

[turbid dock]

We can also increase the fuse timers of frags, that's another balance lever that doesn't hurt space claiming

[gleaming dove]

Frag grenade bundle when?

[whole furnace]

Why just not remove the spam aspect of it?????

Like honestly that is what I don't get

[uneven flax]

splash damage is nice and all but if it inflicts burn or bleeding might as well fuck me in my sleep and eat my dog

[upbeat lark]

Mid damage and not spamable

[frigid ibex]

The secret technique of moving away

[lofty sinew]

your idea might work man. IDK. but I do think it is far more likely that crytek just re-introducing them as-is with higher restrictions on ammo count might be a thing that could actually happen. and that still helps

[upbeat lark]

Wait that's dynamite

[whole furnace]

So how they were for like 7 years :V

[lofty sinew]

if we really want to actually "fix" stalemates in this sily cowboy shooter i think much more fundamental rethinks of mechanics are required myself.

[turbid dock]

Consider consumables rn. Dynamites, frags, stickies, whatever. These are good stalemate breakers, but if the few you have on you aren't enough, like if they just pull back one room and hold a new angle, you're out, and we're back to square one. Supply is important for this reason

[whole furnace]

Yes? And you don't think giving 4 mini-frags for a single ammo slot is a lot???

[frigid ibex]

I think its a compound and traps problem rather than this one special ammo for one weapon could be the solution

[turbid dock]

If they dealt 15 damage or so and maybe even had longer fuse times, no

You run out of that

[whole furnace]

But they don't

[turbid dock]

You ran out of frags easily before, that's one of the reasons they weren't super popular

[whole furnace]

That is in your head

[turbid dock]

THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL CHANGE

Where else would it be than in my head

[whole furnace]

Ofc

But like

Literally look at what we got

and work with that

[frigid ibex]

Or maybe its situational and things that work more consistently is used more

[turbid dock]

Why

[whole furnace]

And say: 4 arrows that deals 111 splash.

[turbid dock]

Why not try to change things for the better?

[whole furnace]

Ain't that enough to break stalemates?

Because spam is not for the better

You cannot convince me that

[turbid dock]

Why not try to rethink the reason frag arrows exist and to design them for a specific purpose? Why should we just go back in time because frags were "okay" back then?

[whole furnace]

Again

Because

And follow me here

[late walrus]

following you home

[whole furnace]

Frag Arrows issue and removal was due to the SPAM aspect of them.
That you could send in 10 arrows to fish for a tag.

[turbid dock]

I'm fully and completely aware

[lofty sinew]

there is the theoretical "maybe this concept might work" and then there is "this is the sort of thing crytek have been seen to sometimes actually do"

[turbid dock]

I used them for the full duration between the 2.0 update and the scarce change

[whole furnace]

Good

so

[turbid dock]

I know spamming them in pvp was cheap and busted

[whole furnace]

Why would your spam be better?

[lofty sinew]

you can come up with a completely logically perfect modification to a specific weapon or ammo type, but it doesn't matter if there is zero chance of it making it into the game.

[turbid dock]

I also know spamming them around corners to breach compounds by forcing enemies to give up their space was the most effective first mover and stalemate breaker tool I've ever used in hunt

[lofty sinew]

the really simple thing we are suggesting is possible, might actually happen. because it requires basically zero development effort.

[late walrus]

im not trying to fight frag arrow spam every match just because this game has a tendency to cause stalemates

[whole furnace]

Yes, but again, in a game where resource is a limitation and expending it should be a thoughtful action.
Do you want something that doesn't do that?

[turbid dock]

You haven't read the suggestion

[late walrus]

no i havent

[whole furnace]

It is still spam, even if it deals less damage lol

[turbid dock]

And reducing frag damage to like 15 isn't possible? That's too far fetched? That's a lot of work?

[whole furnace]

Spam is spam

[lofty sinew]

but it helps to frame your ideas sometimes. are we trying to talk about things that might actually happen, or are we just spitballing ideas that might work in the theoretical world where crytek listens to players on the level you are suggesting they might

[frigid ibex]

One ammo is scarce and only want that one thing unscarced if they can get it nerfed

[lofty sinew]

i guess i'm not super convinced that solves the problem better than just making them less easy to spam

[turbid dock]

It was framed here, for the record

Y'know, i understand the reasons people didn't like frag arrows, but i loved having them equipped because they were such good tools for claiming and pushing buildings. I kinda wish they would just change/nerf some things about them, like making them do basically tickle damage and primarily just applying bleed, so we could get them back as non-scarce

[late walrus]

guys not sure if you know this or not but we can already stop every single stalemate super easily

you just toggle for a second and wallbang one of them

😊

[whole furnace]

Oh yeah, I don't care about stalemates.

NOT LIKE THAT!

:(

[frail harness]

hey guys, when the game update on today ?

[uneven flax]

hard to break stalements as a bounty holder defending a compound

[lofty sinew]

oh, i just do a suicide push. that always solves it one way or the other.

[whole furnace]

I'd say around 2-3 hours

[frigid ibex]

They usually announce it

[neon glacier]

dont leak these pro tips

[late walrus]

i find it easier to break them if youre the one in compound

if im having a stalemate it tends to be because the enemies are in compound with shotguns

doing absolutely fuckign nothing

[lofty sinew]

for what it's worth, i am fine with either version.

[uneven flax]

i disagree. harder as a holder since your location is announced everywhere and in this event everyone got fuckin DSB so youre always disadvantaged as a bounty holder

[late walrus]

they just sit there like hmm maybe if i sit here long enough someone will walk into my shotgun

[frigid ibex]

Its usually rifles not wanting to push shotguns and vice versa

Tale old as time

[turbid dock]

It's worth quite a bit

[uneven flax]

pretty much

[whole furnace]

But yeah, I don't think people should just be able to spam every corner bc of deep supply of frag arrows, no matter how weak they are.
I want people to use a frag arrow because they actually anticipate someone being there.
Hence, don't mind their current damage, just keep the supply low, so people actually think about using the arrows.

[late walrus]

i mean youre the one in compound you can just open a window and shoot someone

[cedar gale]

Ain't got a dog in this fight, but 2 ideas, 1. Make the arrow have very wide crosshairs, arrow ain't gonna be stable in flight anyway. Unbalanced as all get out. 2. Replace the amount of explosives on the head with something like the decoy fuses. Good for breaking closed windows and doors. Give it more utility vs damage.

[late walrus]

its not like this disadvantage is gonna get you instantly headshot

[frigid ibex]

The issue is that this isn't about stalemate. This is a convo about unscarcing frag arrow

[late walrus]

fuck nah

i dont want to fight more frag

frag bombs annoying enough

[frigid ibex]

No read the chat log

[lofty sinew]

just like the avto reserve ammo thing, i agree that making it so you have to make actual choices about when and how you use a thing rather than just "whenever i fuckin wanna" is probably the most sensible way to approach it?

[uneven flax]

when you peek from a building you gotta find a shot outdoors

while as someone outdoors you can be shot in a handful of places only. risky

[late walrus]

you also have dark sight bro

you can literally find where theyre sitting before the window is open

[whole furnace]

Ofc it does have a degree of "guess I was unlucky facing them first".
But at least for frag bow, it would be the back up weapon and not the bread and butter like an avto or nitro :)

[uneven flax]

but enemies do have dark sight too. i still think DSB is too given willy nilly

[late walrus]

in this nerf thats being proposed would they still cause bleed?

[turbid dock]

Unscarcing a heavily nerfed frag that deals tickle damage and maybe even has a longer fuse time, aka the kind of frag arrow that is meme-tier in a fight but good for denying space and forcing enemies to move

[whole furnace]

But still having them in the same ammo reserve size

[late walrus]

yeah its def given out too much

but its not really that big a problem for very quickly peeking a window

[turbid dock]

I know you've said "spam is spam", but it really isn't

Like, oh no, I'm 135 hp and bleeding against a dude who has another 15 dmg arrow knocked!

[late walrus]

but would it still have bleed

[uneven flax]

this why blast sense is great. anyone making the first move and you basically announce your location, regardless if youre outdoor or indoor

[late walrus]

audio also does this

[whole furnace]

No, but I'd rather lose to someone who have been spending their resources smartly than someone who have just spammed in 10 instances of bleed AoE.

[turbid dock]

Yeah, it should apply bleed so it can put meaningful pressure on people who are just chilling and waiting for you, force them to move

[uneven flax]

no. lets say you have 3 open windows close to each other. there's no way you know what window they shot from without blast sense

[late walrus]

sonion

[whole furnace]

And remember, bleeding escalate unless bloodless.
So yeah, dunno how it would be better.

[uneven flax]

audio doesnt give you the pinpoint location as blast sense

[late walrus]

well my personal opinion says fuck you i hate bleed

sorrgy

[turbid dock]

Those 10 arrows are also like 15-20 seconds they've spent not shooting, with their gun tucked neatly in its holster tho, yknow?

[uneven flax]

blast sense is literally hacks

[late walrus]

unless these windows are LITERALLY hugging eachother

its very easy to tell

[frigid ibex]

If applied with more bleed stacks

[dreamy cave]

Unscarce everything and buff everything

[whole furnace]

Ah, because frag arrows is not known for being able to be shot around corners and what not into lairs

Lmao

[frigid ibex]

Usually lairs is not one room

[uneven flax]

no it's not.

blast sense also has great value in its max range. Many small audio cues are hard to pick up when your team are making noise, blast sense can pick it up.

[late walrus]

unless everyone has a silencer for some reason you can find what window someone is peeking

[whole furnace]

Yes, hence why "AoE bleed spam" seems like a horrible thing to the game.

[turbid dock]

This conundrum is solved by moving

[frigid ibex]

If you hear one frag arrow enter your room you can pretty much leave it to another room or floor

[turbid dock]

Which is what we want

[late walrus]

have you tried telling your teammates to shutup

[frigid ibex]

Its pretty much why I think frag arrow is super situational

[uneven flax]

ok just crouch walk the entire map just to hear every single little thing 😂

[frigid ibex]

You can counter it cause it doesn't instantly detonate

[cedar gale]

hardcore mode when? No crosshairs, no special ammo boxes in game, 150 max health, and all weapons give minimum bleed (except the sharps)?

[whole furnace]

ofc, but still, you should have to think about your usage of frag arrows, not just full send it until you get a hit marker.

[frigid ibex]

Why not no ammo boxes period

[fallow arch]

at this point just move to Louisiana and fight the swamp people yourself

[late walrus]

no like literally the only way your teammates are covering audio that badly is if theyre yapping in your ear or shooting in your ear

which they shouldnt be

[uneven flax]

there's great value in it in the first or 2nd clue. you and your team will be making its own noise by then, blast sense can pick up small derringer and flare shots that can be drowned out by your own movements

sometimes you near those noise subtly, but use blast sense to confirm if youre correct

[cedar gale]

Already living in Alaska lol. Moving back to Alabama here soon.

[fallow arch]

oh damn im already in alabama lmao

[short halo]

Make em scarce. That way the skins are still usable

[whole furnace]

I mean you can also just flashbomb them

[uneven flax]

now that you have that info from blast sense, you can prepare or initiate a fight with the first strike advantage.

there is value in that, and if you pop first well sometimes that's pretty much a wipe there

I never not take blast sense because it has niche, but A LOT of niche uses. Making it really valuable almost all the time

[turbid dock]

I haven't used blast sense enough to know how much of a benefit it brings, but it's because i feel like i usually hear the direction of silenced shots well enough to combine with some game sense and map knowledge to tell where they are

I should probably try it out more tho, see if it makes me omniscient

[whole furnace]

To man, I'm just in a meta where if someone shoots they have rotated anyways.

[uneven flax]

so you know where they are rotating from

you know the exact spot where they are NOT

using blast sense

that's still value

[whole furnace]

Doesn't really matter.

I know the maps well enough to anticipate peoples peeks

Or where people go to

most of the time

[uneven flax]

plus in trios people arent too slimey, especially in 4* hahahaha

once their mate is down there's almost always one person trying to rez

[whole furnace]

Dunno, it just one of those, either you spot them or you don't.
Blast sense already just confirms what I've heard.

[late walrus]

and wastes your time sitting in dark sight

when you could be aiming at the next thing they will peek

[uneven flax]

blast sense tells you the exact location. there's still value in that. especially if it's a spam weapon. chances are they'd be taking 1-2 more shots and there could be enough time for you to blast sense and pop

[turbid dock]

Oh and as a late response to this, i think we absolutely should have a culture of discussing potential changes so that well received ideas can spread and become popular and eventually reach crytek

[whole furnace]

I'm at La Plata tower and I get shot from La Plata, it doesn't really matter if I know they are in the top or bottom.

I just know I don't have scope for a scope exchange and move out

And even so, it ain't that hard to gauge were people are

[frigid ibex]

Im convinced that crytek takes too much of the general input from the community

[turbid dock]

Hmm

[uneven flax]

It's like being born blind and never knowing what vision feels like

it's pretty much ya'll not using blast sense

[frigid ibex]

Too many things that can't be just an accident buff or change

[uneven flax]

😂

[turbid dock]

What makes you say that

[whole furnace]

More I've played the game for like 7 years, I just know

[lofty sinew]

if they're listening to us too much they're definitely listening to the wrong people mostly..

[uneven flax]

i play like 50% clash and 50% hunt. i always have blast sense in hunt and no blast sense in clash. i can see some differences that i wish i have blast sense on

[frigid ibex]

I mean since krag was buffed cause it included all things people wanted buffed even if they pretended otherwise after said buff.

[lofty sinew]

or taking what is said completely out of context.

[turbid dock]

Stuff like removing all ears is a great recent example of them immediately responding to community sentiment in a good way

[uneven flax]

but i do agree in compound fights blast sense isnt very important, which clash is

[whole furnace]

That was the wildest part, that they gave it BOTH buffs, without understanding it was two different camps lol

[frigid ibex]

I mean most people suggested minimum 2 buffs for it on this very discord

Daily

[lofty sinew]

sure this is the perfect world. stuff gets hashed out here back and forth ad nauseum and has for years. it's hard to see any strong connection between what crytek does and what is discussed here. It only seems to happen when the entire community (not just this discord) is really up in arms about a specific thing. in my experience anyway.

[frigid ibex]

I dont pretent they were being reasonable about it

[turbid dock]

Current crytek clearly has a different approach to community involvement than the crytek from the krag buff 400 years ago tho, wouldn't you say?

[uneven flax]

krag was buffed? how bad was it? its really strong wtf they mean

fast cycle time, easy top up, what else is not to like

[whole furnace]

It was 100% fine and part of the "fair long ammo club".

[turbid dock]

At the very least they seem to take the survey responses pretty seriously, and those mostly come from discord and twitter users, do they not?

[whole furnace]

It just didn't deal 125 damage

[uneven flax]

so now every long ammo except sparks and martini is OP

[frigid ibex]

It was the most fair long ammo besides its cycle time at the time

Not really.

[uneven flax]

all long ammo should deal 124 damage. the cost of maintaining pen and distance

[whole furnace]

Basically yeah.
Most of the guns got brought up to match the mosin/lebel instead of nerfing mosin/lebel.

[uneven flax]

meanwhile 136 mosin

[lofty sinew]

idk. probably. genuinely no idea tbh. it's easy to imagine the little corners of the internet you're a part of are a larger part of the actual community than it actually is i think. but sure they do seem to pay attention to their surveys, kind of.

[turbid dock]

In a just world we would have had a vetterli meta

[uneven flax]

Ironside is strong it's just really fucking annoying to use. Plus reload takes forever. Good balance

Ironside reloads from the breech when empty right? ASS

Same as 1865 carbine

it reloads the chamber first

what's up with that?

So annoying

id rather have one less bullet than chambering the first bullet

[whole furnace]

Also the remember the whole blind spot of non-english Hunt players.
China espcially.

[uneven flax]

All guns chamber the last bullet (all lever and bolt actions), why ironside and 1865 chamber the first one?

[whole furnace]

Dunno what they are yapping about when it comes to Hunt balance

[lofty sinew]

sure. Crytek seems to have been going hard on growing the chinese playerbase. they have actual cosplay events for it and everything 😮

[uneven flax]

Crytek needs to cater to China more

More money to Crytek more content for us

win win

[frigid ibex]

I think the somewhat recent body part damage changes was the worst balancing change in a good while.
It makes single shots even more irrelevant, martini and sparks had the benefit of downing 125hp on stomach, double tap legs. Now that's available to mosin.

[uneven flax]

Plus we finally get more goonable hunters

another win

[frigid ibex]

Same way it also made spam more obnoxious

[neon glacier]

https://klipy.com/gifs/joe-discord-joe--k01KRFYVPPTMS4E263JJRNM8V3P

[turbid dock]

We already have monroe, what more do you want?

[frigid ibex]

What felt like intended purpose of particular weapons keep being patched away

[uneven flax]

I want more Bone Mason

[whole furnace]

Feels like a change made for console, but ofc can never know.

[frigid ibex]

I have a feeling crytek barely acknowledge console

[late walrus]

eradicate all console players

dizz is a console player

that is why he thumbs down reacted me

[whole furnace]

Dunno man, the hip fire buffs and levering buffs and shotgun buffs feels very console minded

[late walrus]

he does not understand this is for the better

[frigid ibex]

Yes I play hunt on my switch that's been gathering dust for 2 years

[late walrus]

all console players will be scared of getting eradicated

[uneven flax]

hunt is on switch?

[short halo]

I mean, thats been going on since at least custom ammo

[late walrus]

and will switch to PC

which will grow the PC playerbase

[vast zenith]

what time this update dropping then?

[frigid ibex]

Or it benefits PC players a lot

Which it does

[late walrus]

which will allow us to have more full lobbies with more even mmr

its all a part of the master plan

[frigid ibex]

Yes, but I think the change i mentioned was more impactful than ever

[turbid dock]

I do wonder if the uses and niches these weapons had were more discovered uses than intended ones

[whole furnace]

Ofc, we gonna be able to utilize it too, but still feels like it was done with console in mind considering I've rarely heard any PC players go "damn wish my levering/hip fire was better!"

[uneven flax]

We're getting new content today right?

[frigid ibex]

I mean i doubt it cause in old hunt sparks was used to literally make everyone run out of meds.

[uneven flax]

May 13?

[frigid ibex]

Regen shot didn't exist

[whole furnace]

Man after doing the lvl 10 badge grind for the Henry, I gonna say, recovery shot most of all fucks over single shots so hard.

[short halo]

Still shouldnt

[uneven flax]

Special ammo for single shots that deletes recovery shot minutes

[turbid dock]

Hmm. That's certainly a take

[whole furnace]

Kinda agree, but also, do not miss losing all my medkits bc I got tagged twice by a mosin

[frigid ibex]

I think since we have it, everyone is so accustomed to it. It will have a big backlash if that changes

[whole furnace]

Gimme buckshot for the Henry

[frigid ibex]

I do think regen shot in the bigger picture was a mistake

[late walrus]

first of all

[frigid ibex]

We have unlimited regen cause pledgemarks dont have a real balanced function

[late walrus]

make doctor basekit

secondly

remove regen

thirdly remove reco shot

[turbid dock]

Oh this reminds me that the buffed Sun is crazy good

Like holy christ its good

[late walrus]

make most guns deal under 125

so that tapping a downed player is an actual benefit

as of right now, no reco shot means you just die to chest shot because most players have stupid long ammo dealing over 125

[uneven flax]

if most guns deal under 125 long ammo will definitely be indirectly nerfed

[late walrus]

if reco shot didnt exist and most guns were under 125

[frigid ibex]

I've been asking this for years

[late walrus]

those higher damage guns would actually mean something

[turbid dock]

We would finally have the Ironside meta we've been waiting for!

[uneven flax]

vulture should be basekit also

[late walrus]

nah people would still avoid it because of the ps5 mounted on it

[whole furnace]

Even worse, sometimes you die, pop recovery shot and still die to a chest shot bc they had the schlong ammo and your charred bar had regen fully.
Literally a """balance""" change that made long ammo even better lmao.

[late walrus]

but it would def be seen more often

[late walrus]

it even benefits stuff like bornheim match

cause if you have incen they just lose the bar again instantly

[whole furnace]

Oh my point is that it was stupid change

To make it charred

[late walrus]

yes

[turbid dock]

Looting a corpse should be simplified to always give money regardless of consumables, vulture should have nothing to do with money ngl

[whole furnace]

bc it just make long ammo better

[late walrus]

i think it was a stupid change too

because i hate everything it results in

long ammo better

incen instantly burns it if i dont wait

[whole furnace]

I mean, I guess Crytek is gonna give us a big long ammo nerf patch soon.
Since they have been keeping buffing EVERYTHING around long ammo so damn fucking much the past year or so.
Including actually long ammo weapons lol

[uneven flax]

im out of hunter slots. all my hunters have stacked loadouts. help me warm up

[late walrus]

oh my god just go die bro

just go play bb

bh

[uneven flax]

NO

[late walrus]

and die

[uneven flax]

did you call me bb uwu

[turbid dock]

Maybe vulture could let you loot a small amount of random ammo from corpses or something idk

[late walrus]

NO

get away freak

[uneven flax]

why this piece of shit dont die bro

[turbid dock]

Ironside avoiders aren't real gamers

[late walrus]

this would only be okay if we also do something about ammo management meaning practically nothing

as of right now ammo management is stupid easy

mainly due to ammo box

[frigid ibex]

Recovery shot is just a get out of jail for free card with no information about it.

[late walrus]

but also ammo pooling

[frigid ibex]

Hunt used to be an information game

[turbid dock]

Yeah ammo box needs a little bit of a nerf

[late walrus]

like running a sparks pistol or uppercut

[turbid dock]

Has for a long time

[late walrus]

id honestly be fine with it being removed

[turbid dock]

Can't, skins

[late walrus]

like i use it every bh match

[late walrus]

i know

[frigid ibex]

Pledge marks is also permanent now officially and there's no real balance around it

It benefits pvp so much

[late walrus]

but if somehow it were going to happen

[frigid ibex]

But nobody talks about it

[late walrus]

i would be okay with it

[turbid dock]

They could just make the consumable ammo box equivalent to one world ammo box + one world special ammo box or something like that

[late walrus]

i dont mind them but i do think they are a little too lenient

pledge marks were fine when we had “vanilla” hunt

because they were hard to get

you had to think about what you wanted

but now its just like

oh yeah i died 4 times let me go to burning

[turbid dock]

The little pledge letters

[late walrus]

and just be unpunished

[uneven flax]

yep then cut the price in half

[late walrus]

along with many other things

its really funny just about everything i use it something i want nerfed

long ammo, ammo box, pledge marks

[turbid dock]

The only ethical long ammo user

[late walrus]

i used to main officer c

lmao

[uneven flax]

because you a slave

[late walrus]

hey i run non long ammo too

[uneven flax]

drilling

[lethal pulsar]

Just got my first level 50 hunter

[late walrus]

drilling HV, centennial HV, wildland FMJ

those are nice medium ammo guns

[uneven flax]

no 1865

...

[late walrus]

i need to tell people to run drilling HV more

gun became 10x more fun when i stopped using dumdum

[late walrus]

well yeah im not a freak

[uneven flax]

real men use the spencer carbine

[late walrus]

if i were to use that abomination id run the aperture at least

cause its irons are better

[turbid dock]

I wonder what an increase in long ammo repeater cycle times would do. Like imagine if you had mosin and lebel at like 2.3 seconds, krag at 2, berthier at like 2.2

Ok it would encourage more quickswapping

[late walrus]

long ammo has been getting too spammy yeah

mako cycle time is insane

[turbid dock]

Pair it with an increase in long ammo repeater stowing times

[late walrus]

berthier cycle time isnt as bad but its still spammy for long ammo

and that thing has been buffed 9 million times

krag has been spammy for a while

[lethal pulsar]

I did some farming that game omg 😲 😍

[floral sluice]

any one else run concertina arrows only sometimes?

[turbid dock]

Only in clash lol

[raven totem]

The mv hit is a bit much, if muling I go hv if we hand crossbow/ katan I just run normal

[late walrus]

i mean the mv on its dumdum isnt bad but like

655 mv feels so much better

[zinc dagger]

Is the new update already out? With tje circus pois

Pios

[late walrus]

go find out bro im not on the game

[zinc dagger]

Just asking

[neon glacier]

no in 2 hours

[zinc dagger]

Allr

[raven totem]

It hurts when you have to take those 80m+ fights

[late walrus]

true

[raven totem]

In compounds dum dum is fun

[late walrus]

cant agree

i fucking HATE dumdum

no wallbang is like

how do i put this

have you ever had a dream where you were like gonna die

and when you tried to scream

nothing came out

[raven totem]

Plus uppercut/ trueshot fmj

[late walrus]

thats me wanting to wallbang someone but having dumdum

well they dont shoot as fast i always ran new army fmj

[raven totem]

That's the thing w dum dum, is you always want a banger with it

[late walrus]

my issue with it was like

[raven totem]

Unlike fmj or hv where you mule

[late walrus]

i would try to double tap or headshot through walls

but with new army fmj double tapping isnt that easy

cause you might hit arm

and its harder with slower pistols

cause they shoot slower

[raven totem]

And the damage after pen still isn't great

[late walrus]

but i started using drilling HV and like

i can do as i please

[raven totem]

True

[late walrus]

this COULD be an argument for drilling fmj but thats just freaky

losing mv for extra wallbang you dont really need

[raven totem]

Idk honestly the only dum dum I run anymore is either Springfield or cent

[late walrus]

for some reason i keep finding drilling fmj + slugs

[raven totem]

Lol

[gusty onyx]

Depends on your playstyle, i would prefer fmj over hv too

[late walrus]

feels weird on cent to me

i got used to running HV in it

[late walrus]

i cant argue against it that much cause ive spent alot of time losing it about pen in anything other than long or fmj

[raven totem]

Hv is legit, dum dum on cent makes 125 thiugh

[late walrus]

i just always had enough pen with drilling for what i go for

[raven totem]

And it's naughty so that much more fun

[late walrus]

yeah i def see the appeal of it

like wildland fmj too

not fmj

dumdum

i USE wildland fmj

but i could just never enjoy dumdum as much as i enjoy its other special ammo

i will run dumdum in springfield sometimes cause W bodytapping but i still bring HV aswell

bro springfield HV has fucking 180m drop its so nice

[gusty onyx]

Lately i play alot officer carbine, got it almost on 10. So im used to not have that much of velocity. Also i just try to keep fights close, so need for me to run hv. But it is good if you like shooting farer awa tho i get that

[lofty sinew]

cennie is plenty fast enough to use any ammo on imo.

[uneven flax]

bruh wat

[late walrus]

yes it is, ive recommended people use fmj too, but ive run it with HV for so long it feels weird on anything else

[gusty onyx]

Pve enjoyer at its peak wtf 😂

[late walrus]

well if you tend to stay in cqc that makes sense

[lofty sinew]

yeah i mostly use FMJ. but fair. what you're used to is as important as anything else in hunt

[whole furnace]

Yeah I see more and more shenanigans like this.
Think people have found a way to manipulate the cards.

[hollow dagger]

You might have killed me lol

[pulsar mortar]

I just cannot get on with Soul Survivor, it's miserable. I normally play in a three and i'm a spotter/support because i'm old and suck at aiming. I want to get all achievements but getting that Soul Survivor win feels bloody impossible. I know I know skill issue.

[lethal pulsar]

0-50 solo hunter

[uneven flax]

you can camp in soul surv after getting wellspring, let people kill each other

then when the timer is running out just run

[true vigil]

When update you guys ?

[hearty zephyr]

if u really wanna cheese it just queue at dead hours in low population regions, ive gotten soul survivor games where there was no other player before on US east so i imagine it cant be too hard to find one uf youre actually trying to

[left orbit]

relentless on solo 😭

[pulsar mortar]

oh really? actually might try that thank you

[gusty onyx]

I mean he has catalyst. Maybe from empress

[lethal pulsar]

True

[dreamy cave]

HUNT

[lethal pulsar]

Got 3 hunters in this video

[gusty onyx]

I get that ur hyped about this, but there is really no reason to post the same picture 2 times with 2 videos attached to show off 5 kills 😂

[uneven flax]

let people enjoy things

[lethal pulsar]

The videos are from a different game but fair.

[uneven flax]

also they might be a beginner since its their first time maxing out a hunter

good job bud

hunt giveth

[lethal pulsar]

I have about 2 and half days played so far

[dreamy cave]

SHOWDOWN

[frozen idol]

am i right in saying event locations and the legacy pass are released today?

if so what time, is it around mid day when the weekly challenges and store reset happens?

[whole furnace]

No time given, but basically at any moment now :)

[static briar]

Nice job bro keep up the good hunting

[stuck hatch]

WHEN?????? I NEED IT IN .0002 NANO SECONDS

[whole furnace]

😭

[stuck hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/jiminoreo-gif-4884042028109983039

[wooden ember]

circus in?

[whole furnace]

No, but the clowns have been here for years now :V

[wooden ember]

ah ok!

Thanks man

[whole furnace]

Us, the players

It was a joke

[wooden ember]

Next time be a little nicer please!

[whole furnace]

Ah it was not meant to be target at you

[wooden ember]

I read what you did in game questions 🙄

[whole furnace]

Not game questions, but eh

[whole furnace]

When someone literally post a question that was answered 1 minute before it kinda gets silly.

[wooden ember]

ik dw

[whole furnace]

Been around Hunt for many years now, we just cannot read.

[wooden ember]

it was fun to read

[chrome lintel]

Couldn't read even before Hunt

Can't spell either

[whole furnace]

It was something, ofc poor sod caught strays, but it is the sins of many years of stupid questions piling up

Like this game have been having the same server shutdown during steam maitaince every tuesdays for like 8 years and people still asks lol

[neon glacier]

4 minutes

[whole furnace]

Oh yeah, might actually also be when the new patch goes live

[short halo]

Wen patch?

[whole furnace]

[neon glacier]

Read announcement thank you

[whole furnace]

I will call: "in 1 min"

But it is just my guess

[neon glacier]

All updates come out same time

Which is the daily reset time

At least been this way for a year

[whole furnace]

+/- but mostly right

[late walrus]

just kill me tbh

like

what the fuck dude

[wooden ember]

oh hell nah

[neon glacier]

bro i thought it wasnt paid from what i read

L

[wooden ember]

@whole furnace hunt players cant read

[neon glacier]

show me where it says 1250 bbs

[turbid dock]

this is liek

2 games of clash

[uneven flax]

[turbid dock]

you can do it

[late walrus]

bro

2 games of hell

[short halo]

Beware the Shadow will be a premium option costing 1250 Blood Bonds.

[turbid dock]

NOOOo i can't use MY MOSIIIIIN!!!!!

[whole furnace]

Legit good design

[neon glacier]

https://klipy.com/gifs/benjammins-100-aura--k01KRG5WTTRPTCEB6AEKXBCYAC4

[late walrus]

i ain een mad bout allat

ion wanna use the bow over ANYTHING

[turbid dock]

just use it, coward

[short halo]

Fine. Single Nagant dmg. No fanning, no duals

[late walrus]

fuck you

the bow is like

[uneven flax]

mehh just another set of native skins

[royal cloak]

The bow is terrible.

[late walrus]

youve just told me basically

to skin myself

[uneven flax]

ive just watched the revenant and apocalypto. i had enough of natives

[neon glacier]

the whole story is meh

[dry hawk]

sounds like a you problem

[mortal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hat-gif-24889203

[turbid dock]

i've told you to put on your silly cowboy hat and shoot at other silly cowboys with arrows

[mortal cove]

I'll fuck you up Heathen

[short halo]

Not with that single nagant, you wont

[late walrus]

youre a bad person

[turbid dock]

hah, joke's on you

i don't believe in that morality nonsense

[late walrus]

you have no swagger

[turbid dock]

fuck

[whole furnace]

[late walrus]

did anyone elses shit bug

lmao

does this mean i get 2 for the price of one?

[whole furnace]

Or one for the price of two?

[turbid dock]

you buy both and you send this screenshot to support and they give you infinite blood bonds as an apology

[late walrus]

crytek would do that

[neon glacier]

buy both

[whole furnace]

True, that is how european laws works!

[coarse moss]

👀

[whole furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-dance-gif-25206331

[sinful aurora]

hmmm who will be the lab rat and buys it?
i would be too scared that it bugs out and i don't get anything.

[whole furnace]

It is time!

[whole furnace]

I already got mine

But I only had a single one

[left orbit]

peak console gameplay with hunter getting stuck in wall LMFAO

[short halo]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-president-gif-8348639198690830080

[wooden ember]

😔

[glad fractal]

So it’s out in EU too? Nice.

[lethal pulsar]

Iv done it myself 😆

I gwt stuck on a wagon in this one. This was a due game

[hoary raptor]

does the devil card do anything for bomb launcher?

[mortal cove]

Tbf, with the new digital regulations by the EU, you could get away with it

[whole furnace]

Good

[wooden ember]

I wanted circus gg

[ancient whale]

Why do the devs make it annoyingto see the price of a specific weapon or hunter in a bundle?

[left orbit]

even on pc i sometimes get stuck still after 4k hour 😅🥲

[turbid dock]

i NEED the damn shrike lance

[whole furnace]

In what regard?

[mortal cove]

Give me a minute to get a screenshot ready

[turbid dock]

i have a contraband one stored away

[mortal cove]

I am only missing a single legendary skin

And it‘s from one of the early winter events

I own everything else

[late walrus]

i got shot at the exact same time by two makos with the same skin

i was so confused

[rare wyvern]

i thought the legacy chronicles were released on the 13th

where they at?

[whole furnace]

And it is?

[neon glacier]

[rare wyvern]

i thought it came with new skins and shit

[whole furnace]

They do?

[wooden ember]

They new

[neon glacier]

They are there

[whole furnace]

I'm looking forward to unravel this one

[fluid temple]

Update?

[neon glacier]

Its out

[rare wyvern]

i looked through the store.... how am i not seeing this

[wooden ember]

https://tenor.com/view/big-daddy-gif-26947716

[rare wyvern]

im legit in the game

[fallow arch]

It's under story challenges

[wooden ember]

career and challenges

[neon glacier]

Go to stories

[whole furnace]

Ah- that is actually fair, they are under story challenges :)

[rare wyvern]

thank you sirs

[whole furnace]

Naw this one is fair, it is confusing you find them under story challenges instead of the store

[wooden ember]

yeah true I had that gif prefired

I had to use it

[olive talon]

same, all those skins actually

[whole furnace]

Especially bc story challenges is hidden behind weeklies

[urban steppe]

marthon 😿

[olive talon]

Marathon is good