hunt-general

[uneven flax]

does it increase melee damage and not throwing damage?

[quiet hinge]

for being quiet, i think throwing knives are better

[frigid ibex]

Its melee damage

[frigid ibex]

Quiet? When I meet or play with throwing knife user they make so much noise cause they whiff headshots with it

They are the loudest players

[random nimbus]

I love throwing knives, but they aren't the most quiet tool if you aren't on point with the throws

You have to headshot horses, for example

[quiet hinge]

what the fuck do you want me to say to that? It's the difference between killing a dog cage with a flare vs a throwing knife

lol

[random nimbus]

Yeah that's not hard, but sometimes a miss happens because you just miss or the horse lifts its head at the last second

[frigid ibex]

I mean, quietest is leaving it around so if another team walks in the same path they might trigger it

I think dealing with cages is a mistake, just leave it and dont aggro it

A lot of people play recklessly and it gives free information

[random nimbus]

I've gotten a few kills tossing throwing knives at people in last ditch situations too

[quiet hinge]

i can sorta agree to that

[frigid ibex]

Satisfying kills for sure

[random nimbus]

They're very fun, and their main niche is the fact you can toss and just kinda forget about them because you always get them all back, and you have 8

[quiet hinge]

but there are times when you want to kill a cage without revealing your exact location, and doing that with a spear is rough

[random nimbus]

I've been using axes more again lately and I remember why I like them, but the throwing arc sucks compared to knives

[quiet hinge]

the only reason throwing axes kinda suck is their bossing

their bossing is so fucking bad

[random nimbus]

I've never felt their that bad. Not as fast as the other options, but still perfectly usable after they rebuffed tools vs bosses

[left orbit]

hammer. i hammer it.

[uneven flax]

axe throw arc is easy to get used to

[random nimbus]

Compared to spear or knives tho, it's trash

[left orbit]

i'll make you a clip on how my round start lol

you'll see

[quiet hinge]

assassin with throwing knives vs axes throwing knives kill it like x5 faster

[left orbit]

hammer is the answer to all

[uneven flax]

fine ill try knives

[random nimbus]

Assassin with knives is definitely faster, I will agree to that

[uneven flax]

they sound and feel like shit

[random nimbus]

I've stunlocked assassin with throwing knives plenty of times

[left orbit]

takes about 10 sec with the hammer

[uneven flax]

when i throw something i want the feeling of impact

knives feel like throwing boogers at enemies

[left orbit]

18 sec*

[quiet hinge]

hammer is also a weapon slot

[left orbit]

i measured

[left orbit]

yeah it's all right

[random nimbus]

I mean, why hammer when katana?

[quiet hinge]

i mean why X when Y? why officer when dolch?

[random nimbus]

At least there's SOME reasons why you might not take something like the dolch, mainly if you can't afford it

Among melee tho, there's really no reason to not just bring katana

[left orbit]

because of what i said earlier

[quiet hinge]

I agree but some players prefer hammer because of immolator or killing bosses faster

obviously i agree the katana is better but

people play what they like

[random nimbus]

I think the boss speeds for those weapons is a bit of splitting hairs

They all absolutely melt bosses

[quiet hinge]

some people get giga dopamine with berserker hammer

[random nimbus]

Katana has so much more use in PvP scenarios

I will never not be salty about getting completely offscreened by a katana while 2 steps below someone

[upbeat lark]

doesnt make you slice trough boulder but it certainly slice hunters

[random nimbus]

I'm lower on the stairs and he's looking like 160 degrees off from me and still hits me

[quiet hinge]

ya but a lot of people just play by "this feels good" or "I feel like playing X"

they don't think "why use x when y is just better"

[frigid ibex]

Hunt does have straight upgrades to other weapons problems

[random nimbus]

I get that, but if someone tries to sell the benefits of something like a hammer, then it will inevitably be compared to the things that are stronger for the same opportunity cost

[quiet hinge]

it all comes back to dolch, mosin, auto 4/5, bow

[frigid ibex]

And it makes balance changes just weird too cause obviously the less attractive choices have less use rate so they get buffed

[wet locust]

Can someone please send a message in #bot-catcher-1896 🫪

Just testing

[frigid ibex]

Like krag moment, berthier moment

[wet locust]

🤣🤣🤣

[upbeat lark]

They need to remember the existence of martialist for other mele weapon

[frigid ibex]

I did, can you reply to my message

[upbeat lark]

Like I find it funny that it's a trait that work on one sole mele weapon

[random nimbus]

If you use something because you like it, all well and good. If you're giving reasons why you think it's the better option, it will be compared to something in its range

[wet locust]

Sure lemme see

[quiet hinge]

lol of course people can have objective wrong opinions

[random nimbus]

And at least for something like Springfield vs Mosin, there's a very very clear divide that's intended to be there

Melee is a bit different, imo

[frigid ibex]

Springfield and martini were added to be less good sparks

That's what they said when they added those weapons

[quiet hinge]

idk if they're less good than a sparks

[quiet hinge]

thats fucking crazy

[random nimbus]

At least those weapons have specific niches among each other to warrant their use

[frigid ibex]

I mean the dumdum thing is more on the new side than not

[random nimbus]

Springfield is the faster shooting one with dumdum, martini is the faster shooting sparks, Sparks is the fastest bullet and best drop

[frigid ibex]

Singleshots have the issue that repeating rifles are better

[lofty sinew]

are any quick swap options quicker than a followup shot from any long ammo bolt action

[frigid ibex]

If they whiff or can double tap having a rifle that can ready another bullet quickly is always a better option always in hunt

[quiet hinge]

single shots also can do things repeating rifles can't

like doing 125 damage through a wooden wall

[random nimbus]

Sadly that's not the case anymore lol

[frigid ibex]

I doubt Springfield can do that

[random nimbus]

Specter Carbine has high enough damage

[quiet hinge]

no but a sparks pistol with fmj can

[lofty sinew]

if you can get the followup shot quickly enough and it does over half a hunters health reliably it doesn't really matter how much damage it actually does does it..

[frigid ibex]

Yeah but that's just long ammo benefits

[lofty sinew]

so long as it's 75+

[frigid ibex]

Well they keep making the unique things about single shots redundant

[quiet hinge]

a lot of single shot weapons in this game do things that repeating rifles can't, maynard has silenced for example

[frigid ibex]

Like the limb modifier changes

[quiet hinge]

springfield has base dum dum

[lofty sinew]

ah yes, the bin weapon that deserves to go in the bin.

[quiet hinge]

martini is fast reload with fast fingers and dual ammo slots

[lofty sinew]

(maynard silenced to be specific as i guess that is unclear)

[frigid ibex]

Like why use martini with 143 damage when I can shoot fast with a mosin 136 damage

Autocorrect moment

[random nimbus]

Also, Sparks and Martini need to be FMJ to kill a 125 through a wall

[quiet hinge]

why use ranger when ranger swift exists?

[lofty sinew]

you.. don't?

[quiet hinge]

like a bunch of these weapons have this problem

[lofty sinew]

if you have the option.

it would be nice if they could recognise that it would make some sense to give an actual reason to run certian categories of guns. other than deliberately making the game harder for yourself.

[quiet hinge]

idk i think there are reasons to run certain categories of guns vs others

[lofty sinew]

i think we just covered that there aren't many compelling reasons to run single shot rifles didn't we

when bolt actions are right there

[quiet hinge]

I didn't lol

[random nimbus]

The issue, at least imo, is that the reasons to run other guns tends to kinda just fall away when you look at how strong the best options are. It's one thing to have an expected top tier, but they're too loaded up on benefits

[lofty sinew]

sure. I agree

give single shot rifles pre-"fix" pen.

that might do it.

[random nimbus]

Like, why does the Mosin need to reload fast as hell too?

[lofty sinew]

they would have an actual identity then

[random nimbus]

Why does it need a stripper clip by default?

[lofty sinew]

yes also agree there

[gusty onyx]

As it should be, no need to play something u dont like just because its objectively better

[random nimbus]

And hell, the regular reload of the Mosin is still fast even without the stripper clip

[quiet hinge]

i think mosin is fine if they should switch mosin damage with lebel damage, and remove spitzer from the game entirely or make it giga scarce like explosive bolts

[lofty sinew]

saying that you don't have to play guns just because they're obviously the best is kind of missing the point there i think

[random nimbus]

I think the Mosin needs an actual nerf for once in its damn life

[quiet hinge]

not only that but the removal of soft headshots opens up a lot of variety

[random nimbus]

And ffs PLEASE revert the limb damage changes

[raven totem]

people also forget dum dum was only buffed once drilling was added, it used to be mosty just bad.

[lofty sinew]

crytek has trouble finding a good middle ground a lot.

[random nimbus]

And people mainly used it on the Centennial anyway lol

[lofty sinew]

a strong history of swinging back and forth way past the mark each time

[random nimbus]

Because the Springfield wasn't allowed to have anything the Centennial wasn't besides explosive ammo

[raven totem]

it depends on the point of view

[lofty sinew]

useless > op.. op > useless / gone

i just mean when they try to make balance changes to things, like dum dum.

[raven totem]

frankly, cent dum dum wasn't op in the world or repeating long

[crystal bay]

you can at least counter it unlike long

[random nimbus]

It wasn't, though it was extremely annoying if you didn't take Bloodless.

[raven totem]

it was annoying, ultimatly why it got scarced

[crystal bay]

I mean heck even when surefoot became a thing

[random nimbus]

But it's like...damn let the springfield have something

[crystal bay]

It's a must grab anyway

[lofty sinew]

all dum dum is still extremely annoying if you didn't take bloodless :I

[crystal bay]

Use a medkit + sprint and bam you're set

[raven totem]

I mean compact dum dum is pretty minor still

[random nimbus]

DumDum gets buffed and now Centennial has it. Springfield gets HV? Aren't you forgetting the Centennial?

[quiet hinge]

I mean 130 damage plus bleed is something

and a medium slot at that

[crystal bay]

Cent had HV first no?

[random nimbus]

Springfield did

[raven totem]

cent got hv before spring did it not?

[random nimbus]

Cent got it shortly after

[crystal bay]

I'm pretty sure cent had it first

[lofty sinew]

i mean annoying is pretty subjective. yes it's less annoying. you don't always have the options of medkit + sprint obviously

[raven totem]

na idk about that one

[gusty onyx]

Sometimes ppl forget to just have fun lol. Balancing is for sure not perfect but at the end of the day it doesnt matter what gun u or ur oponent plays, u can basically win any gunfight

[random nimbus]

Patch note digging time lol

[raven totem]

pretty certain cent got hv

[crystal bay]

I believe medium slot does medium bleed

or maybe just the silencer does

[quiet hinge]

silencer does light bleed

[lofty sinew]

you're not wrong but again missing the point i think. nobody here will disagree with this. but we're talking about the relative chances of winning a gunfight. not if it's possible. we all know it's possible.

[quiet hinge]

at least for silencer centennial

silencer maynard does medium

[uneven flax]

its not fun losing to meta all the time

[random nimbus]

Springfield got HV during Tides of Corruption, patch 1.14. Centennial got HV with patch 1.15.1

So it wasn't long after

[raven totem]

weird

[quiet hinge]

make meta players suffer and just giga rat with a frontier silenced with subsonic lol

[lofty sinew]

and i generally agree with the "play to have fun" idea. but well all also know that regardless of how good at "just playing to have fun" you are, that still requires winning now and then

[random nimbus]

I remember being salty the Springfield couldn't enjoy the HV niche for long before the Cent got it

[gusty onyx]

If your loosing to meta all the time u would probably loose to non meta too

[raven totem]

holy fucking take

[lofty sinew]

you would be less likely to lose to non-meta.

[raven totem]

like

you can tell when someone doesn't have to beat their head against the wall of clanners

[random nimbus]

I mean, the meta exists for a reason

[lofty sinew]

hunt is a pretty punishing game, and regardless of what type of player you are, you feel some pressure to make choices that you feel increase your chances of winning.

[gusty onyx]

I get the the theorie behind that discussion, but its still not the reason u loose most gunfights 😅

[random nimbus]

Getting 2 tapped by long ammo at 150m is something the meta weapons can do the offmeta doesn't

[lofty sinew]

i absolutely hate playing slow, passive and careful. but if i've had my ass kicked enough times in a session, you will likely find me stuck playing slow, passive and careful. and not just for "maximum fun".

[quiet hinge]

what long ammo two taps at 150m with spitzer

[random nimbus]

It is when the meta weapons do things other weapons can't

[crystal bay]

Dang yeah strange

My brain is cooked

[outer iron]

Thankfully running offmeta kits keeps my mmr nice and low, how I want it. So I can actually use off meta without being crucified.

[gusty onyx]

See thats what i mean

[upbeat lark]

I wouldn't be able to get out of this 3* MMR bracket even if I tried

[gusty onyx]

Offmeta and meta has nothing to do with mmr, wym 😂

[outer iron]

Using shit weapons will make you less likely to win and thus your mmr will lower. What do YOU mean?

[crystal bay]

Not with that attitude, I believe

[quiet hinge]

using shit weapons makes you have to play differently, not less likely to win

[crystal bay]

For example, I use crap weapons as well and I am not in low MMR

perhaps some correlation, but not causation

[gusty onyx]

Hitting shots will let u win, not the weapon u shot with

[whole mist]

there's a meta, which people use because you win more on average with them.........which affects your MMR cuz you aren't winning if you're dying

[outer iron]

Glad for you. I was talking likelihood, not that you would straight up lose.

[lofty sinew]

well, i just linked the discussion to play style rather than the weapon meta. it's the same idea.

[random nimbus]

But if you don't use crap weapons, you will perform better for the same actions, right?

[upbeat lark]

On a good month at best I can only reach 4* it's all fine tho I'm having fun

[whole furnace]

I'd say, anyone who really wants to, can be a 4 star

[lofty sinew]

technically you are right that most fights are lost for reasons that are unrelated to the specific weapon you are holding. or at least not directly related.

[random nimbus]

Like, nobody is saying you have to play meta to win, but if you're up against the sweaty people that exploit every advantage the game gives them, you're in for a very uphill battle if you choose to play the 'junk' that's fun

[quiet hinge]

this goes for all mmr brackets

[crystal bay]

Oh for sure there are probably some cases in which it might have gone better with a better weapon, however in most cases that I lose it's due to my own skill issue and not due to my weapon

Stronger bullets doesn't help me if I whiff em anyway

[whole furnace]

Naw, I'd say after 4 star, reach 5 and 6 star will start demand higher amount of raw aiming skill.
But with fundamentals, you can be a 4 star without being a great shot.

[random nimbus]

Right, but if the bullet is harder to whiff with because it's so much faster XD

[quiet hinge]

you can hit 6 star without firing a single bullet.

[random nimbus]

And if that bullet hits so damn hard you don't even need very accurate shots to kill someone

[lofty sinew]

is this a roundabout way to say bow is op? 😛

[whole furnace]

I mean you need to still kill people.

To get there

[quiet hinge]

no but if you wanna be 6 star, you can just trap and play like a rat and kill and extract

you don't need to ever shoot anyone

[upbeat lark]

It's a railroad hammer propaganda

[whole furnace]

Okay, I'm also talking within reasonable play patterns

[random nimbus]

Was just about to say this

You can do very specific things to get to higher MMR

But you're not playing as you would normally

[lofty sinew]

sure. I mean i agree / know what you're saying is true. the 6 star rando that takes one shot and then runs to extract immediately when it looks like opposing team might push or put their precious K/D at risk exist.

[whole furnace]

Nevertheless missing the point, which is that for most casual players, reaching 4 star ain't a super far off dream.
But going from 4 to 6 star is gonna much harder than going from 1 to 4 star :)

[quiet hinge]

just like if you want to be 2 star, you just run in and die

[random nimbus]

And those specific playstyles you're doing also likely come with heavy restrictions that force you into predictable patterns smart enemies can exploit

[late walrus]

honestly bro if the mosin had like a human version i would bark for them

[random nimbus]

You can use a Bomblance in high elo, but you're gonna have to play a lot different than if you just used a rifle

[lofty sinew]

well. i mean. just running in and giving it your best shot is a way to get better at the raw mechanics of fighting, just maybe not the tactical decisions around it..

[upbeat lark]

Ay yo

[random nimbus]

And you're probably gonna struggle a lot because players in those higher ranks know how to play around the thing you wanna do

[uneven flax]

3-4* is the most fun

[quiet hinge]

no I mean just dying on purpose, every mmr bracket is obtainable if you want

[random nimbus]

Same with something like DumDum. I know you can't pen anything, so I'm gonna keep a piece of wood between us

[lofty sinew]

the higher you go in brackets the more likely it is you'll run into teams that will just absolutely speedbump you.

[uneven flax]

everytime i reach high 4* people become demons

[quiet hinge]

if you're 3 star and want to be 6 star? Advertise in the hunt discord lfg you're a 3 star lfg and 6 stars will join and giga bump your mmr so a single kill is worth like 3 of your deaths

[lofty sinew]

oh, sure. takes some dedication these days i think since they made it more difficult to deliberately drop brackets.

[upbeat lark]

Demons who aim very good and play very good

[whole furnace]

Jesus dude, you are literally missing the point lmao

[random nimbus]

That's exploiting the system more than anything

[whole furnace]

yes there are ways to min/max to X rank, but that was not the topic

[quiet hinge]

i mean its not exploiting the system because they removed the 2 star mmr bracket from people queuing together

[lofty sinew]

oh yeah. killing players significantly above your rank gives you big rank boost

i imagine that's how some of the people who moan about not belonging in 6* got there

[quiet hinge]

I'm just saying that any mmr rank is obtainable if you want it

[random nimbus]

If you're queing with 6* players specifically to boost your own MMR because of the difference in rank while at a lower one, you're just trying to game the system. It's not much different than KD farming

[whole furnace]

And just saying that is missing the point of the convo

[lofty sinew]

what if you have no hands and are actually a cat

[quiet hinge]

I mean you don't even need to ask 6 stars to join. They join automatically lol

[random nimbus]

You're missing the point entirely

[late walrus]

i mean like if your aim is straight dogshit you will eventually stop going up and have to work on that

[random nimbus]

You do not have the skillset to play in those elos

And being artificially bumped by playing with sweaty people and leeching their MMR is not an accurate representation of your own

[lofty sinew]

raw aim skill can carry you pretty far in hunt.

[late walrus]

theres so many people stuck in 3* who have like thousands of hours

because they just cant aim

[quiet hinge]

what are we even talking about here? you said that getting to 4 star isn't that hard, getting to ANY mmr isn't that hard

[upbeat lark]

that is my main problem

my aiming skills is just really inconsistent

[gusty onyx]

Played a few days ago with a 2 & 3 star friend. We endef up having a 4.5 mmr in the first game. Was so much more fun, thats true

[lofty sinew]

nobody has specified how hard "that" hard is so it seems a bit pointless to argue about how hard that is.

[whole furnace]

We are talking about 4 star is an obtainable rank for almost everyone if they just learn fundamentals

[random nimbus]

We're saying that some playstyles, tactics, and weapons are much much more difficult to organically reach high elo with because you will be playing against people exploiting the strengths of the meta more. You CAN do it, but it will be a lot harder

[quiet hinge]

tell me what point are you trying to make by telling natablu that getting to 4 star isn't that hard?

[upbeat lark]

actually that is my main problem in everything

[lofty sinew]

how hard is a piece of string

[late walrus]

the moving targets in shooting range help alot with consistency

i mean you wont be 100% consistent

[whole furnace]

That was not what I said, I said, that it obtainable.

[late walrus]

but the warmup is really nice to like dial in on whatever gun youre using

[upbeat lark]

yea i should utilize that much more

[raven totem]

ya but you're cracked, lke you know damn well when we where winnieing it up it sucked ass to see 9 spitzers per game.

[lofty sinew]

have you dialed in things like your mouse sensitivity and that sort of stuff?

[whole furnace]

Anyways, sorry for the derail @upbeat lark my point is that if you work keeping your head cool and learning some fundamentals you'll see improvement without having to have a god aim :)
Play smart, not hard and all that :)

[random nimbus]

He runs sweaty loadouts too lol

[late walrus]

natablu dont listen to this guy get on aimlabs

[uneven flax]

because they're teenagers and naturally better at video games than older people

i think telling anybody "its not that hard to reach x rank" in video games is definitely straight up cringe

[late walrus]

NOW

[raven totem]

anytime I play with snowy he plays a bit of everything

[upbeat lark]

oh that

[late walrus]

we will make a mosin spitzer main out of you yet

[upbeat lark]

i tried but i cant get the sense to match hunt at all

[upbeat lark]

yes

[late walrus]

yeah i dont use aimlabs either lmao

[raven totem]

I mean if aims the issue hold angles

[hollow crescent]

aimlabs

son just get kovaaks at that point

[random nimbus]

There was a period where me, crafter, and Vonk ran into snowy a lot and he tended to have Mosin Spitzer/Dolch P lol Chances are he just didn't die with the weapons and kept using them

[quiet hinge]

"if you wanna get 4 star, just play better"

[late walrus]

qell

[quiet hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-pet-detective-jim-carrey-comedy-duh-gif-3426205

[late walrus]

thats like a bandaid fix

[crystal bay]

somehow that was one of the best days of gameplay for us too we were actually killing them most of the time

[raven totem]

it works though

[crystal bay]

Overall net positive that day

[late walrus]

cause you cant always just hold an angle

[uneven flax]

MMR doesnt matter the most important thing is having fun

what's the difference playing in 3* or 6*. It's the same game

[lofty sinew]

i've never even tried an aim trainer. but i get the impression there might be some value there if you havent had your hand glued to mice playing various FPS for thousands of hours

[uneven flax]

whereever you are right now is where you belong

[late walrus]

if you get caught in a shitty spot you want to be able to aim

[uneven flax]

and there's nothing wrong with that

[hollow crescent]

holding angles works until it doesn't

especially with peeker's advantage and also reaction time

[late walrus]

you lidowally dodged the 1s on soul survivor bro

ion wanna hear it

[lofty sinew]

the difference is when you play with 6* your mistakes get immediately and fiercely punished and you generally don't get chances to come back from them. fun.

[raven totem]

peakers advantage isn't the same in hunt like other games

[gusty onyx]

Hey, dont make me feeld old

[late walrus]

natablu im gonna need you to ignore everyone here except for me i dont like their opinions

so their opinions are bad

[crystal bay]

Yeah those would usually be found that same match or I didn't have storage on my packmumle hunters

[lofty sinew]

I agree, listen to sonion

[random nimbus]

Also, the fact the Mosin two taps at like 171m is nuts

[upbeat lark]

i

[raven totem]

I swing way to much because I'm impatient. honestly if you can hold an angle, do it, because it will win you fights

[lofty sinew]

woop woop logic loop

[late walrus]

basically what you do to get goodrrr aim in hunt

[outer iron]

I don't know what the peekers advantage is, but I've always felt the advantage holding angles than trying to spot the hidden fella.

[upbeat lark]

imma just ignore all promps and read yuri

[random nimbus]

And you likely did better running that stuff lol

[late walrus]

is you spam officer carbine HV until shooting head is just like engraved in your brain

[random nimbus]

The meta exists for a reason

[crystal bay]

I do play mosin from time to time, but can't use Dolch otherwise it'll ruin my profile

[uneven flax]

ive definitely won more holding angles than peeking

[raven totem]

yuri sounds like some slavic dude ngl

[late walrus]

fair

[upbeat lark]

yuri is lesbian romance

[lofty sinew]

i actually know a guy named yuri malov

[raven totem]

lol

[lofty sinew]

but he's khazakstani.

[random nimbus]

I love my sparks, but I do better when I have a Krag because it's just better

[raven totem]

I like krag alot

[late walrus]

i love whatever gun im doing well with

[upbeat lark]

krag is fun

[random nimbus]

I still love being a tumor with poison ammo when it actually works

But 4shot go brrrrrr

[late walrus]

like today bro

[crystal bay]

I don't like the dolch

[raven totem]

did you become the vetterli master?

[late walrus]

centennial is the best gun ever

tomorrow idk

[crystal bay]

It's spam and it's good, I just suck with it because I don't use it at all

[upbeat lark]

i like krag better than i do mosin for some reason

[random nimbus]

Mosin is more consistent

[crystal bay]

and i mean it's easy to kill people with because you have 10 super fast chances, it just doesn't feel good

[late walrus]

never touching it again bro

[upbeat lark]

i can actually see the sight mosins is too thin for me

[raven totem]

you just gotta do as ll the goofy recoil guns in flick down as you shoot

[late walrus]

the vetterli can rot

[crystal bay]

Vetterli is cracked

Unfortunately it is a bit spam these days

[raven totem]

you're missing out on a secret meta contender

thats why it's cracked

[late walrus]

NAH

i got

mosin and lebel

[upbeat lark]

my favorite long is either sparks or mako

[lofty sinew]

when we say vetterli do we actually mean cyclone

[late walrus]

mako sparks pistol is super fun

[late walrus]

no hes talking about the actual vetterli

he wanted me to run it with fmj

[raven totem]

oh you mean the 3 slot spam thats worse than dolch p? lol no

[upbeat lark]

thats what i run before the mako buff

[raven totem]

vetterli fj slaps

[upbeat lark]

wait actually its the mako upper but its close enough

[whole furnace]

New Vetterli variant: The Betterli, just like the normal Vetterli, but with 610m/s MV and 135 damage.

[raven totem]

you don't know

[hollow crescent]

this is big mood though icl

one day I'll just be fucking mogging with the mosin obrez and then the next morning I can't fucking hit jack shit with it

but then I swap to uppercut and suddenly it's headshots galore all over again

[raven totem]

the day we play, I'm bringing vetterli fmj and I'll show you

[late walrus]

give it 0.9s cycle time

[gusty onyx]

Last time i saw a vetterli was when u needed damage with it for storymission lol

[lofty sinew]

i love the vetterli. it's probably still my most used rifle. maybe. have always run FMJ with it.

[whole furnace]

Imagine

[late walrus]

bro im telling you on obrez

its either every headshot or nothing

[hollow crescent]

lwk true

[lofty sinew]

cennie might have taken over as most used medium these days though.

[random nimbus]

Comparing Krag and Mosin damages in the shooting range makes me hate the Mosin more

[quiet hinge]

idk about that

[lofty sinew]

well you wouldn't. I am talking about my own use here 😛

[quiet hinge]

oh you mean medium ammo?

ahhh i see i see

[raven totem]

you're over thinking it, it's like thinking the sparks and mosin are radically different in many scenarios, they're not

[quiet hinge]

I thought you meant in general

[lofty sinew]

sure, get that. i wouldn't try to guess which had the higher pickrate currently, like in general

[late walrus]

tbh sparks pistol might take favourite 1 slot for me

[random nimbus]

Krag can't even two tap at 117m. Mosin does at 171m

[late walrus]

its so fucking convenient

[random nimbus]

Wtf is this

[late walrus]

good mv amazing damage good drop for a pistol

[quiet hinge]

honestly though you're probably right either way lol

[late walrus]

its so satisfying

[lofty sinew]

i mean vetterli did get the cycle rate bump recently, but levering has been pretty strong for a while now. I would guess cennie has higher pickrate. maybt not by heaps though

[upbeat lark]

my favorite 1slot is probably the spitfire

[quiet hinge]

i fucking hate levering with centennial

[lofty sinew]

it's less of a joke than it once was

[late walrus]

theres better reasons than levering

alot of people dont like vett irons

vett has slower mv

vett is fucking ugly

[lofty sinew]

sure. and it has much nicer velo

[hollow crescent]

base vett irons is giga ass

I don't mind the silenced or cyclone too much though

[lofty sinew]

and it gets all the same ammo types and more on top

[upbeat lark]

am i the only one that think vet looks distinct in a good way

it looks nice

[lofty sinew]

i've never minded the vetterli sights.

[quiet hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/goal-post-moving-gif-12540411

[upbeat lark]

not as disorienting as the hammer on sparkls atleast for me

[lofty sinew]

i don't think i aim the same way a lot of people who complain about various rifles sights do tbh

[gusty onyx]

Its funny, i dont like vetterli bc of the ironsight, but i like officer carbine which is basically the same 😂

[upbeat lark]

the little pillar is small enough for it to hinder me

[late walrus]

this part isnt the part that makes them bad for me

[quiet hinge]

guns easier with an external crosshair for sure if thats what you're referring to

[late walrus]

the actual sight youre looking through looks like shit

[upbeat lark]

thats literally me but the opposite

[late walrus]

it feels so bulky

[lofty sinew]

nope. screen has one built in but i've never used one

[random nimbus]

Seriously, this is nonsense.

[upbeat lark]

i dont like the offiicer carb solely cause of the sight is so thic

[lofty sinew]

i just don't aim via.. deliberately lining up sights much, if that makes sense. i'm mostly flicking

[upbeat lark]

its a flipping 3 thick pillars of metal on the vet is 2 and a smaller bump in the middle

[lofty sinew]

unless a gun is absolutely egregious in that way it doesn't really bother me. like i won't use the nitro..

i'm also not trying to imply the way i aim or play is actually good. I'm incredibly inconsistant.

[gusty onyx]

Did u try with fmj on the krag too?

[random nimbus]

Nobody is using FMJ on the Krag, that's a nasty downgrade for the upsides you get

But I'll check just because I'm still in the shooting range

[gusty onyx]

Yeah i get that, but i mean, i rarely have a fight on 171m range too 😂

[random nimbus]

Most people don't, but that also translates to closer ranges too

[gusty onyx]

Yeah but in closer ranges krag 2 taps too

[random nimbus]

If you two tap at 171m to the chest, then you'll two tap farther with arm and lower hits too

[random nimbus]

A lot less consistently, which is the point

Mosin does Krag damage to the gut

[quiet hinge]

what gun is two tapping at 171m to the chest?

[random nimbus]

Mosin

[quiet hinge]

at 171 meters with spitzer?

[random nimbus]

No, regular

Spitzer is like..99m iirc?

[quiet hinge]

lets try that out

[whole furnace]

86m

[random nimbus]

I'm getting 131m for the Krag with FMJ

[raven totem]

fmj on krag is 🤮

what a waste

[random nimbus]

Yeah, but they wanted to know XD

[gusty onyx]

I didnt say it is good, i was just curious 😅

[raven totem]

🤮

anytime I see fmj long my brain tweeks

[random nimbus]

I still see FMJ uppercut from time to time

But not as much as I used to

[late walrus]

ive seen

fmj sparks sniper

[gusty onyx]

I wanted to say the same, uppercut with fmj is fine

[late walrus]

a concerning amount

[upbeat lark]

there is one time where i use fmj on krag cause i thought its spitzer

[late walrus]

lmao

[quiet hinge]

they may be doing some poison sense memes

[upbeat lark]

funny thing is i did well in the 2 games that follow

[random nimbus]

I've done that before, and it was fun but a meme, yeah

[late walrus]

well considering they didnt have a poison option

i dont think so

[quiet hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-well-fine-ok-whoops-oops-gif-20212592

[late walrus]

they literally were just running fmj

[random nimbus]

Also seen people do poison sense FMJ stuff with beetles

[late walrus]

the only way pain sense wouldve worked for them

would be with catalyst

[quiet hinge]

sparks pistol is the best for poison sense memes

it does everything all on its own

[random nimbus]

I would just use regular poison sparks and an FMJ sidearm

[late walrus]

i would just use mosin spitzer uppercut

sheeeesh

[random nimbus]

Yeah, but that gets old after a while

[spark plaza]

amogus

[random nimbus]

sugoma

[late walrus]

okay so

lebel spitzer uppercut

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1081771132010627072.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[quiet hinge]

daring

[random nimbus]

Obrez drum spitzer/Slate penny

[late walrus]

but

i hate penny

[random nimbus]

I ran that loadout for a while and it was so cheap

Penny not having pen was kinda ehh at times, but I got some absolutely disgusting kills with it

[upbeat lark]

For some reason I never use uppercut when I use any gun with spitz

[random nimbus]

22 spitzer bullets tended to cover the pen needs lol

[upbeat lark]

It's either dolch cause all in or go out mentality and 7 or is it 9 spare bullets for me is too little (on mosin)

I tend to overlead with high velocity guns

[random nimbus]

drum moments lol

22 bullets and they're like 710ms

[hollow crescent]

speaking of penny, homestead with penny is honestly fucking stupid icl

even without wall pen the ability to just 2 tap someone at an absurd distance while also technically being easier to use overall because of the bigger spread is just, dumb

[late walrus]

i wanna lick the homestead

[lofty sinew]

[hollow crescent]

I mean, it is a very good looking gun

[late walrus]

sexy gun

[random nimbus]

If I want to hunt at this hour, I'll probably have to go to EU to avoid the people in NA east with no jobs

[quiet hinge]

i don't really use shot guns, but if i did i'd probably play rival

[lofty sinew]

i like the rival. but people hate the rival.

[random nimbus]

It's just the weakest of them, but it's not like it's terrible

[quiet hinge]

i think the rival can out perform specter/slate

[hollow crescent]

I like the rival fine, it has pretty good skins

[lofty sinew]

in very specific scenarios maybe

[random nimbus]

The Rival has the lowest kill range of all, but that fire rate is nasty

[crystal bay]

Rival goes bam bam which is nice

[upbeat lark]

My favorite shotgun is probably the slate cause it looks the best

[crystal bay]

It's the fire rate yeah

Specter is in a great spot these days though

[quiet hinge]

whats the kill range for buckshot?

[crystal bay]

Good fire rate, good kill range

[lofty sinew]

the lower 1tap doesn't matter as much when getting the followup is that easy

[random nimbus]

I think barely over 12m

[late walrus]

rival just feels nice

[random nimbus]

McRee has the list showing all the kill ranges

[quiet hinge]

and specter is 13?

[dense girder]

I'd like it if you could press "X" to switch between single shots or both at once

[random nimbus]

@whole furnace Do you have the copy/paste of the shotgun kill ranges?

[late walrus]

that would just make the romero useless basically

[hollow crescent]

it's in #game-questions

[lofty sinew]

or, you like it for the reason I do. which is that it gives you the ability to completely miss once and still have a chance of not screwing the pooch completely 😛

[hollow crescent]

pinned

[late walrus]

cause you would just fire both rival shots at once and have a shitload of range on it

[dense girder]

Rival would still have less OHK range

[late walrus]

esp with like flechette

[random nimbus]

Ahhhh Oops I pinged him for nothing lol

[unique trail]

Hi my name is HUNT

[late walrus]

have you tested its 2 tap range and compared it to romero or something

[quiet hinge]

so 12 vs 13 but can double tap

[crystal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/poul3-f-r3veil-p-gif-10988460833755738340

[quiet hinge]

idk i think its pretty good

[dense girder]

No, but that's how I'd balance it

[shut forum]

guys rysko dosnt want to play with me 🥀

[random nimbus]

The rival is still good, but it is the objective weakest for one tapping

[opal dawn]

🤔

[random nimbus]

And the other guns shoot pretty damn quick too now

Especially the damn specter

[whole furnace]

yeah it is now pinned in game questions

[random nimbus]

My bad!

[unique trail]

Hop on let's beat the shooting range

[hollow crescent]

it is by no means bad, but it's punishing if you happen to whiff, whereas with slate / specter you might be able to get away with shit due to having higher ammo count

[lofty sinew]

i think if you play shotguns well it is not the best choice. but it's pretty good for the money imo. and maybe slightly more forgiving on average if you kinda suck with shotguns.

[random nimbus]

I don't think there is a bad shotgun at this moment

[lofty sinew]

real

[unique trail]

How do you suck at shotguns

[lofty sinew]

even the lemat is nasty currently

[crystal bay]

Same way I suck at normal guns

whiffing

[random nimbus]

So when I say the worst, it's only in comparison to the rest of the shotguns

[unique trail]

Whiffing with a shotgun is crazy work

[lofty sinew]

i can whiff with anything. I have super powers.

[late walrus]

i mean

[unique trail]

Pro tip: aim at the feet

[late walrus]

if you whiff specter or slate you will usually get shot and die

[upbeat lark]

I can whiff a big dynamite

[late walrus]

the rival will let you shoot again almost immediately

[lofty sinew]

this is a good tip but if you are accidentally aiming not-at-the-enemy-at-all it doesn't help much.

[upbeat lark]

That's how terrible I am

It kills me and noone else

[unique trail]

It also helps to shoot enemy hunters from behind and they don't notice you

[quiet hinge]

ya thats sorta what im talking about

[crystal bay]

Instructions unclear, shot my own feet

[unique trail]

Follow me for me tips

[late walrus]

the one that is less punishing for whiffing would mostly come down to situation tho

if you have immediate cover or your enemy doesnt have a one tap it doesnt mean nearly as much whiffing a specter

snd then its good cause yeah ammo

[lofty sinew]

i'm not super great in cqc and semi regularly get confused by audio in terms of where to expect someone to be. particularly if pushing.

[late walrus]

but if you are both running a shotgun and you whiff first shot, you are more likely to live if you have a rival

[upbeat lark]

Use a crown and king

[hollow crescent]

I guess, but it's still objectively worse in terms of dealing with multiple targets*

in an ideal scenario both shots will net you 2 kills, whiff one shot and all of a sudden you're having a problem on your hands

and it costs 150 while the specter is...188? I think?

unless you specifically want the rival there is no real reason to just, not take the specter

[late walrus]

idk whiffing rival has never caused me any problems

my problem on shotgun tends to be the red number in the top right corner of my screen

[late walrus]

yeah the pricing on shotguns is fucking stupid

188 for specter and like 333 for slate

and then specter is better

gg

[lofty sinew]

just crytek things. we balance things via how much they cost 😎

[crystal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[hollow crescent]

depends on the lobby I suppose

I've noticed that a lot of people when they hear the rival will push the second they know you've gone through both shots, much like how people will instinctively push a romero player after they fire a shot

[lofty sinew]

little do they know, i have a lemat. how the turn tables.

[frigid ibex]

Everyone got one shots nowadays

[late walrus]

well yeah but unless youre in a really weird spot you can usually get reload off before someone blows your shit off

[frigid ibex]

Everything in one loadout

[lofty sinew]

yeah. it informs how i choose most of my loadouts these days really

[hollow crescent]

true ig, context matters a lot when it comes to shotguns

[frigid ibex]

Secret technique of sprint reload

[lofty sinew]

i don't like getting completely neutered with a loadout that can only do one or the other

i guess it used to be that meant taking meaningful downsides

[late walrus]

yeah

[lofty sinew]

doesn't really feel that way anymore

[hollow crescent]

even w/o QM you just know everyone and their mom is carrying pennyringer in their back pocket

[frigid ibex]

Its like when people try to push me when I play crossbow. I just always sprint after shooting.

[late walrus]

i mean its that way for every gun

whenever people try to discuss what gun is better than the other

[frigid ibex]

Something bow players wish they could do

[late walrus]

each person is usually imagining the best scenario for their gun

[upbeat lark]

Id love the drilling to be cheaper

It's a very good gun but the price is too much for my liking

[lofty sinew]

stupid fat fingers. it's like they remember they want there to be penalties for trying to cover cqc and range. but then they forget with other guns anyway

[late walrus]

i always sprint on crossbow

[frigid ibex]

I'm gonna say the funny thing. Drilling got spam and one tap in one gun

Its fine as is

[late walrus]

even peeking on crossbow i just sprint and just quickly ads on them

because its so fucking easy and nice

[late walrus]

i see people want drilling to be cheaper alot but no one considers how extremely capable it is

you have a shotgun thats got like romero range

[frigid ibex]

Its 2 full sized guns in one gun

[lofty sinew]

i mean drilling hatchet is probably the best 2 slot weapon in the game

[late walrus]

you have an easy two tap that also works as a good ranged option

[random nimbus]

Drilling is a paper gun, kinda like the Bornheim but obviously not nearly as volatile

[late walrus]

paper gun?

[random nimbus]

It's got some of the best two tapping potential in the game, but no room to play with

[random nimbus]

Fantastic on paper and a lot less consistent in practice

[lofty sinew]

it's no mosin.

[dense girder]

Drilling is the Goat

[late walrus]

idk its extremely consistent for me

what special ammo are you running?

[random nimbus]

If you hit every shot. Miss one and you're reloading for like 5.3 seconds and missing on the kill

[late walrus]

yeah so you run hv

[lofty sinew]

would it be bad if you could load 2 different rounds in double barrel weapons..

[late walrus]

and have 655mv

the double tap is super super easy with it

[lofty sinew]

dum dum + hv? 😄

[late walrus]

also, you have a second gun

[upbeat lark]

Drilling with dumdum is so oppressive

[late walrus]

you do not have to sit there reloading because you missed a shot

just swap to whatever 1 slot you have and tap them then reload

[random nimbus]

HV drops you to 114 damage so your two tap ranges to arms goes way down

[lofty sinew]

or buckshot + slug in the rival or homestead. or something. would it be OP if you could do that. it seems like it would at least be novel.

[late walrus]

again, yet to have any issues with that

[random nimbus]

Swapping to your secondary kinda defeats the purpose of evaluating a weapons strengths

[upbeat lark]

If I can bear to lose so much money running it its probably gonna be my favorite gun

[late walrus]

yeah and missing kind of fucks up its strengths too lmao

[random nimbus]

If your best option after missing one shot is to swap to another gun, that makes the primary more inconsistent

[late walrus]

like i dont hit every single shot

but its two tap is still crazy

[shut forum]

if you run drilling hv the concern isnt aiming for a arm 2 tap, youd just aim head and if it misses its still most likely bodyshot

[random nimbus]

And yet with most guns, you can afford to miss once or twice and not be screwed, that's the point lol

[late walrus]

well they wont shoot as fast so

other than like cyclone

[random nimbus]

That depends on the gun lol

[late walrus]

but im afraid that doesnt get a shotgun

[random nimbus]

And if you have to reload/swap to a secondary, then that fast fire rate won't matter as much

[late walrus]

once again if you didnt miss that wouldnt be a problem in the first place

[random nimbus]

I mean, at that point, just headshot

[late walrus]

if i miss with a mosin i wont get the kill either

unless this hypothetical guy is like in an open field

[random nimbus]

The point is you can afford to miss with other weapons and still use the weapon

That makes the drilling unforgiving with misses, and less consistent

How often do you get two tapped by a drilling in .6 seconds vs getting spammed down by an officer carbine that misses 5 out of 7

Or misses everything and headshots on the last bullet

[lofty sinew]

i mean the lemat carbine can outgun a drilling if you have a serious enough shitter moment i guess

does that say anything about the drilling. maybe not

but it has a shotgun.

[late walrus]

doesnt officer carbine literally do less damage

[random nimbus]

Imo, a big part of a weapon's strengths are how well it can forgive the player for less optimal use

[late walrus]

you hit 1 arm shot with officer c and suddenly your kill is just like forfeit

[random nimbus]

Because it's easy to say 'Just don't miss' but then that's no different than saying 'Just headshot'

[late walrus]

not really

[lofty sinew]

sure, i think what you're saying makes sense. it's almost impossible to evaluate the overall strength of a specific weapon if you want to include the rest of the loadout with it.

[late walrus]

headshots much harder than body shots

also officer c is like. a really stupid weapon

[random nimbus]

It's relative, and if you argue just don't miss, I can argue just don't miss the head and be just as legitimate

[upbeat lark]

I love it when I'm using Springfield dumdum and got a straight upgrade of a drilling dumdum from someone

[lofty sinew]

the most forgiving guns shoot fast, hit hard, and have the ability to fire many shots in a row without significant reload time. so they're pretty forgiving.

[upbeat lark]

Oh my goodness I can't stop glazing this gun

[random nimbus]

How hard hitting a shot is isn't something you can put down

You can point out things that make it easier to hit shots tho

Like velocity

[late walrus]

idk about you but i have a much harder time headshotting someone who doesnt want to be headshot than i do bodyshotting someone who doesnt want to be bodyshot

[shut forum]

higher mv > higher damage imo. unless its a onetap

[lofty sinew]

i like the drilling though. double drilling is a favourite.

[frigid ibex]

Officer cringebine mentioned

[late walrus]

like yeah you’ll be punished for missinf that is why you run the 655mv bullet

[lofty sinew]

can't really argue it's amazing value for money as a loadout. but i like it.

[late walrus]

you probably wont miss a chest shot if you have that

chest shots are easy as all fuck

[frigid ibex]

I want officer carbine to magically disappear from the game and our memories

[random nimbus]

But once again, that's relative between people. How good of a shot someone is introduces variables you can't really control. Instead, imo, it's better to look at how a weapon performs in the situations where it's not optimally used

[shut forum]

i want a lot to do that

[frigid ibex]

Just spam weapons for me

I'm relatively ok with the rest

[late walrus]

i honestly truly think hitting two chest shots is like easy as all fuck you dont have to be a remotely good shot to do so

[shut forum]

everything that isnt spitzer shall be gone

[random nimbus]

You're missing the point entirely

[late walrus]

unless youre at like 80 and the guy is doing all sorts of shit

[lofty sinew]

it kinda depends how far that chest is doesn't it.

[late walrus]

thats what i was just saying

[frigid ibex]

Martini spitzer when

[shut forum]

brooo yeees

pls

i need that

[lofty sinew]

sparks spitzer plx. not sure why. it just feels like it would be fun.

[shut forum]

im still mad over the krag spitzer bait in the one trailer

[frigid ibex]

There is a lot of bait in trailers

And there's also different lighting so people mistake conversion for a new pistol every third trailer

[upbeat lark]

Flash bolts

[lofty sinew]

i think.. noe.

[dreamy cave]

Yes flash bolts

[lofty sinew]

maybe i can do.. firing the dolch p flashes the user every shot.

[shut forum]

reco bolts

[upbeat lark]

Revive bomb

[dreamy cave]

Buff flash bombs buff everything.

[frigid ibex]

Recovery arrows

[lofty sinew]

the revive bolt was a revive bomb!

i revived 2 team mates at once with a single bolt once.

[upbeat lark]

This one revive any and everything in a 5m radius

Including horses

[frigid ibex]

While we are saying silly stuff, buff buckshot so they have lifelike one tap ranges

[lofty sinew]

what would that be. 1tap to 30m?

[dreamy cave]

30m buckshot ohk please

[shut forum]

no joke tho, the current headshots with shotguns should get slightly buffed imo

[lofty sinew]

i guess that would challenge the long ammo meta at least.

[upbeat lark]

Doesn't lethal distance for buckshot irl like 70m

[shut forum]

i dont like a headshot doing less damage than shooting someones body

[lofty sinew]

actually it would just mean mosin + 2 slot shotty.

[frigid ibex]

I mean I think slug should be buffed. Not in stomach or arm damage cause that's what made it insane in the past

Double tap arms to 50m kinda rival slug

[upbeat lark]

Slugs should do bleed debuff

[frigid ibex]

Nah

People overreact on bleed so let's avoid that

[opal dawn]

Slugs should get +1 extra meter + old ammo count back

[frigid ibex]

Slugs should get no deviation cause if you hit you hit

[dreamy cave]

Buckshot dumdum so if i miss half my spread they bleed out

[lofty sinew]

still a little bit disappointed we don't have a blunderbus. i want to be able to stuff a grunt hand in the front of one and shoot it at people.

[shut forum]

nitro too

[upbeat lark]

Add sabot slugs for shotguns that deal 140 damage plus bleed

I'm just here saying silly stuffs

[frigid ibex]

Nuhuh

[shut forum]

wdym these are all serious ideas we are collecting for a gameideas post

[upbeat lark]

Guess that's what Yuri deficiency and being slightly sick does to a college student

[late walrus]

john yuri bro

[dreamy cave]

Give everything dumdum 🙏🏿

[shut forum]

almost everything has dumdum

[frigid ibex]

Even penny shot derringer?

[dreamy cave]

Absolutely

[frigid ibex]

Even katana?

[dreamy cave]

Sharp pennies

[late walrus]

time for the 6282643738473rd sparks dumdum joke

[dreamy cave]

Absolutely

Give arrows more bleed

[frigid ibex]

Arrows have medium bleed which is ass

[upbeat lark]

It's flechetteshot deringer now

[frigid ibex]

Flechetteinger

[late walrus]

make dumdum fracture in your body and you cant stop the bleeding until you pick out all the pieces

[frigid ibex]

Flechinger

[dreamy cave]

Flechinger

[late walrus]

add limb hp like tarkov

[shut forum]

actualy yes

let me leg the running bounty

[late walrus]

sonion

[upbeat lark]

Add radiation and anomalies like in stalker

[frigid ibex]

Hunt already let's you die to two shots in arm

[late walrus]

well hold on

when a limb is blacked in tarkov

and it gets shot again

[frigid ibex]

You dont die

[late walrus]

it doesnt do that much damage anymore

it does a little less

this would stop people from double arm shotting you

sheeeesh

[frigid ibex]

True

But we have double arm buff cause people can't aim or something

[late walrus]

badrrr aim

[shut forum]

one buckshot pallet to head = ded

[frigid ibex]

Imagine

[shut forum]

when you home btw rysko

we gotta hunt

so i can tilt again

[late walrus]

dont expect me to be home for a bit lol

[upbeat lark]

Add special bounty ability based on the boss the bounty is from

[late walrus]

its near 1am im gonna sleep here and idk when my mother will get back

[dreamy cave]

casts fireball

[upbeat lark]

Fireborn let you throw fireballs

Spider let you throw poison balls

[shut forum]

just wake up in... 7 hours

[dreamy cave]

yells loud af

[upbeat lark]

Assassin let you turn into roach and move quickly for 20m

[frigid ibex]

Scrapbeak makes you steal all ammo boxes, toolboxes, world item/weapon pickup in a compound

[late walrus]

yeah but then i have to wait for my mother lol

[upbeat lark]

Rotjaw let you actually swim

[late walrus]

rotjaw becomes a human and marries me

[lofty sinew]

i want a saddle for rotjaw dangit

[shut forum]

smh, cant the dogs watch over eachother

[late walrus]

not sure it works that way

[lofty sinew]

i accidentally ate 238 grams of pistachios for dinner

[dreamy cave]

Lets us tame the hounds

An army of hounds

[lofty sinew]

a what now? oh.

[dreamy cave]

Or arm of hounds too

Army or arm. You pick lol.

[lofty sinew]

a hound arm would have upsides and downsides i guess

[upbeat lark]

Let us revive the horses with 3 recovery shot

[lofty sinew]

haha sure. like captain planet. by our powers combined it's.... a rideable horse?

[upbeat lark]

Yes

Actually make it 2 recovery and 1 big Regen shot

Then wait 5minutes

[crystal bay]

Stamina shot too

They need the energy

1 recovery 1 strong stam 1 strong regen

[upbeat lark]

Just make it all of the shots

[crystal bay]

We have to leave one out

[spark plaza]

holy caloriemaxxing

[upbeat lark]

Big Stam recovery big vitality and big poison

[crystal bay]

1 recovery 1 strong stam 1 strong regen 1 strong vitality

Ahhh I see I see

[shut forum]

why cant we take the paper from the 4shot boon and carry it arround for later use

[lofty sinew]

to be fair they were unshelled.

[crystal bay]

Extract it as a tarot card

[upbeat lark]

The horse need to be vaccinated too

[dreamy cave]

Give us one shot thats a 4 boon shot but it costs 10k

[lofty sinew]

we can't have horses anyway. apparently hunt is a post-horse society.

probably a long wait for hoverboards to arrive.

[opal dawn]

They'd get infected in the bayou and croak anyway

[upbeat lark]

Add a vaccine shot

[lofty sinew]

why wouldn't they just get around like the circus bear that has it's guts hanging out or whatever

[frigid ibex]

Vonc you weight less than my backpack

[opal dawn]

prolly cuz like the circus bear, it'd try to eat you if you tried to ride it

[lofty sinew]

do you have a large backpack? or a small one. there are backpacks mid-size people would fit inside.

[upbeat lark]

Add a golden apple in the map and you can use it to get 10m of Regen and Stam or to tame the bear

[opal dawn]

Put a person inside a person sized backpack, give that person a person sized backpack. Infinite storage

[lofty sinew]

are bears into apples? i thought that was more of a horse thing

[opal dawn]

Bears eat anything

[upbeat lark]

Actual tarcov storage thingy

Mainly carnivore

[lofty sinew]

truth. bagception was a real thing in tarkov for a while there

is it still? happily i have no idea.

[opal dawn]

haven't u seen winny the poo?

bears eat honey

[lofty sinew]

i thought he was mostly into honey

[upbeat lark]

Add golden honey for bears

[crystal bay]

It is

[opal dawn]

salmon, berries, honey, fruits, people

staple bear foods

[crystal bay]

Winnie*

[opal dawn]

nuuh

[upbeat lark]

Also add golden fishes to tame the water demons

[crystal bay]

I'll summon moon

[opal dawn]

[lofty sinew]

this is a different animal, it's a horse that is known for it's stupendously large poops. thus winny the poo.

[opal dawn]

Vinny da Poohey, it's the italian american bear

[lofty sinew]

it's winnie the pooh anyway isn't it. the bear. because if you put an h on the end suddenly it is entirely above board.

[spark plaza]

I hope so, im trying to get lean for summer

Sub 12% body fat 🙏

[lofty sinew]

i don't think i'll ever do that again. i did it once. 10.5%

[hazy garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-sigma-alpha-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-sigma-lion-gif-13957304746104521882

[lofty sinew]

calorie counting. i am not a huge fan.

in involves so much caring about exactly what you put in your stupid face.

[opal dawn]

It very easy, rice + beans and some meat every now and then

[spark plaza]

Anything to be lean

[upbeat lark]

I'm confused about my body I eat less food even less total calories food than my older brother and yet I still put up weight

[lofty sinew]

if you're trying a proper cut and wanting to get below 12% bodyfat you're going to need to worry about even the amount of that you eat.

[upbeat lark]

Maybe it cause I did less activities in the day

[opal dawn]

True, I ain't ever going for that tbh

[upbeat lark]

I just wanna be slim

[spark plaza]

Rice and beans are caloric dense

[lofty sinew]

everyones metabolism and physiology is different. big part of the fitness journey is learning the details of that about yourself.

[upbeat lark]

If satiety is the goal I'd say eat potatoes

[lofty sinew]

for me it was just endless lean chicken breast and whole veg. and counting every calorie. like monitoring the amount of oil you use for frying. the whole bit.

it was kinda novel to do once but i doubt i would ever do it again.

i also hated bulking too though to be fair.

[frigid ibex]

Dude you're a stick

What bodyfat??

[spark plaza]

17%

[upbeat lark]

Reading that out of context is so funny

[random nimbus]

Vonk is speedrunning body dysmorphia

[lofty sinew]

17% is already decently low. it really depends on the person as to what happens at what % bodyfat though

[frigid ibex]

Vonc watch your weight

[lofty sinew]

in terms of what is noticeable visibly anyway. like abs. etc

[frigid ibex]

Don't do anything reckless

[upbeat lark]

i need to see how much body fat i have

[spark plaza]

Abs and muscle striations don't visibly really happen until 14%

[upbeat lark]

atleast i know my weigh

[spark plaza]

Men can maintain 8-12% bf easily whadda hell

[random nimbus]

He's a meathead now

[frigid ibex]

Mine was visible and i had clear love handles

[tidal haven]

I got that Mod bod, 78%

[spark plaza]

Unfortunate body fat distribution 😔

[random nimbus]

Vonk has gone on the obsessive body journey lately

[frigid ibex]

How to get rid of it

[lofty sinew]

i think sub 10% and "easily" is maybe not entirely true. but you can definitely do it without endangering your health sure.

[frigid ibex]

Its easy to go too far

Its an obsession for a reason

[lofty sinew]

it's easy to not do it in a particularly healthy way too

[frigid ibex]

I did work out 6 times a week but didn't cut down on chocolate bars

[random nimbus]

I climb a lot of stairs at my work, so I stay pretty active a lot

[spark plaza]

I play hunt so I lose a lot of calories

[lofty sinew]

i am not active enough these days :I

[frigid ibex]

My job at the time made it impossible to workout 7 times a week. Some days I had a shift where I worked 7-12 15-22 same day so id go to the gym at 12-15 and go back to work straight after showering at the gym

[random nimbus]

When was the last time you played?

[lofty sinew]

it's a good idea to give yourself a day of relative rest anyway

[frigid ibex]

My coworkers thought I was crazy

I had so much energy though

Working out makes you energised

[random nimbus]

I also just bulled this person with a bomb launcher lol

[spark plaza]

Check for me actually, I don't remember

[lofty sinew]

even during this fitness mad period for me i did a 4 day push-pull and 2 days swimming. 1 day off.

[frigid ibex]

Nice, I always wanted to get into swimming just for training

But i chicken out

[lofty sinew]

i really should get back into it. its so easy to not swim though..

[random nimbus]

May 7th

But not with me, I see

[frigid ibex]

What about me

[spark plaza]

Don't you have your 18 hr shift to go to

[frigid ibex]

I've had like 8 days where I work and sleep

And nothing else

[random nimbus]

I actually called out last night because I've been sick

[frigid ibex]

Someone called an ambulance on me yesterday

[random nimbus]

My sister thinks I might have Flu B

[spark plaza]

Da hell

[random nimbus]

Whyyy?

[spark plaza]

Y

[frigid ibex]

I'm fine

[lofty sinew]

wot. how haggard did you have to look to get an ambo called on you

[random nimbus]

That's not what we asked

[lofty sinew]

did your head seem suspiciously unattached to your body or something

[frigid ibex]

I just shared my issues that started a week ago with a nurse and she called an ambulance on me

Just dizziness

[random nimbus]

Dizziness is not good

[lofty sinew]

dang. well. yeah

[frigid ibex]

Yeah that's why I contacted my clinic

Dizziness sucks bad

[lofty sinew]

plug dizziness into webMD if you want to do yourself a concern i guess 😛

[random nimbus]

I decided to read the angry comments on Vonk's profile

[frigid ibex]

They checked me for all worst case scenarios

And turns out I'm healthy

[spark plaza]

I have none 😔

[frigid ibex]

I think I got infected after I cut my finger the day before the symptoms happened

That's my theory on the dizziness

[lofty sinew]

sometimes inner ears just get upset i guess

[gusty onyx]

I would be fcked too if i had to work that much

[frigid ibex]

Its fine, I dont work that much its just temporary

(I'm coping)

[lofty sinew]

sounds like being alive in 2026 to me

[gusty onyx]

Depends on what you do and where u live i guess

[frigid ibex]

My boss was trying to get me back to work while I was being forced to ER yesterday

[lofty sinew]

sure. but the general vibe in 2026 is not that life is 2EZ. generally speaking. unless your surname is bezos maybe. or zuckerberg.

[frigid ibex]

I'm like, boss I'm literally being kidnapped by hospital staff

[gusty onyx]

Damn, sounds like america things to me 😂

[frigid ibex]

I'm not American

[lofty sinew]

crazy as it may seem, capitalism has spread even outside of the great US of A.

and people are still people everywhere.

[spark plaza]

Dizz loved being overworked to death

[gusty onyx]

I dont say its only an america thing, im juts not used to this

[lofty sinew]

it'd be a shame if one country got to have a complete lock on shitty bosses maybe.

[whole mist]

the shitty bosses are ping abusing now

[frigid ibex]

I think its more based on occupation

[lofty sinew]

true. some industries seem to specialise in it

[frigid ibex]

Even game devs are being overworked most of the world

Like the Polish devs when they were working on cyberpunk

It was always overtime every day

[lofty sinew]

game industry is pretty bad for it

[frigid ibex]

Yeah and even eu regulations won't save it

[lofty sinew]

a lot of people willing to accept things they shouldn't just to get a foot in the door.

[shut forum]

surely now that they did the "tracking" thing with devils trail, we get "snow trail" or somethin like that event where its a new snowy map surely

[lofty sinew]

hope springs eternal. i'd do a little excitement wee if they did actually bring in snow with trackable foot prints.

[frigid ibex]

Paint everything white tarlov style you mean

[shut forum]

tarkov snow is actualy pretty well made

but in hunt i want footsteps in snow

would go so hard

[lofty sinew]

last time i played tarkov snow the footstep noise was kind of obnoxiously loud

[shut forum]

and then blizzard "heavy rain" that covers them again

[frigid ibex]

snow is pretty loud ngl

especially if its heavy snow

[random nimbus]

This thing is evil XD

[frigid ibex]

did you headshot her

[random nimbus]

First time, I think yeah

[lofty sinew]

i think we just covered this. it's the player thats evil, not the weapon 😛

[random nimbus]

I headshot her two other times with my Cent too lol

[random nimbus]

I bullied that girl 4 different times, so yeah I'm probably a little evil now lol

But she was using Dragon Bolts

So it was deserved

[frigid ibex]

makes me think of 12 kills games but it was only against one team

[gusty onyx]

Where i work you have to ask if you can work overtime to finish some stuff and they check if its necesarry to do so. So thinks like boss calling you if youre sick is a strange world for me 😅

[frigid ibex]

a hunt special

[random nimbus]

I had an 11 kill game yesterday and it was mostly one team

Bounty had like 12 sets of concertina

And I still managed to stick them a few times with the bomb launcher

[frigid ibex]

when did lerii bomb launcher arc start

[random nimbus]

It's a challenge :/

[frigid ibex]

likely story

[lofty sinew]

sounds unionised?

[frigid ibex]

i've had those jobs too. Where working overtime is the devil's thing to do and must be avoided at all cost

[gusty onyx]

Yeah

[random nimbus]

Cry

[frigid ibex]

yikes

[random nimbus]

The worst part is I've gotten like 5 sticks, but not everyone is max hp

[frigid ibex]

yeah

that's why i usually end up going frags

that way i can get damage without even killing people

[random nimbus]

The girl I stuck first in the clip I'd already headshot earlier

So the second stick had probably 100hp unless she used a restoration

[frigid ibex]

ok so a flawless tactic is being 3 premade with same weapon

[upbeat lark]

yikes

setting living enemy hunter on fire is quite pain

[opal dawn]

Eh, clash + firebolt handxbow

[spark plaza]

I dm'd him for info 👍

[random nimbus]

My very next match was a trio of Mosin spitzer/Dolch P at spawn XD

[dreamy cave]

Does the wax bomb for the lance bounce?

[empty eagle]

No

It has impact tho

Or rather doesn't stick like the normal

[left orbit]

woha i think for once i’ve met a trio of smurfs + at least one cheater boosting the rest

[dreamy cave]

Iv never used it but want to try it

[empty eagle]

I love wf