#hunt-general

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fallow topaz
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Fun short episodes following random hunters.

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(of course that would go without saying I want lore back in the game)

upbeat lark
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More lore

uneven flax
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How about a new single player game in Hunt universe. I dont care about anything else

lofty sinew
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honestly the main reason i wouldn't mind seeing people attempt some version of proper competitive Hunt is because it would become immediately obvious how stale the game becomes when it's played that way

fallow topaz
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I only play Hunt. I wouldn't stop playing Hunt to play solo hunt

uneven flax
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Please be single player hunt

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Bayou 1896

turbid dock
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economy could potentially be a meta-game aspect of a multi-round game, if that makes sense. X amount of rounds played, everyone starts with, say, 1000 hunt bucks or so, or maybe even 0

fallow topaz
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Crysis 1900

upbeat lark
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Hunt showdown: the artistic fall or sum

uneven flax
uneven flax
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Hunt's fun to watch for me

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But i watch it to fall asleep tbh....

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๐Ÿ˜‚

upbeat lark
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Resident evil / tlou style third person single player story game following a hunter trying to survive and make due inside the bayou or sum

uneven flax
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It just has a looot of running and dead minutes

upbeat lark
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I haven't read the lorebook I need to read it when I'm bored

turbid dock
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i was thinking the number should be low enough to encourage cheap loadouts in the first round(s), but not so low that being knocked out once makes you go completely broke. 1000 is good enough for like one strong loadout if you want to start by taking a big risk, or you can divide it across several rounds, etc. Maybe it should be like 1500 or 2000 though

uneven flax
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If only custom games are a thing maybe this discord server already hosted its own just for fun e sport event

turbid dock
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i would love that so much

upbeat lark
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Same

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Would be fun making private hunt matches with your friend group

lofty sinew
# uneven flax Will it? I love watching hunt streamers

i mean i do too sometimes. But it's often top streamer playing solo, which means they're vsing lower bracket teams. which is not the same thing as sweaty top-of-6-star trio play. which i think is generally much less fun to watch.

turbid dock
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i could contribute to hosting a format like this

uneven flax
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๐Ÿ˜‚

turbid dock
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your starting money could be determined by your team size

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if you enter as a solo you start with a ton of money, if you enter as a trio you start with less funds per player

uneven flax
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Hunt still feels more like an esport game compared to other extraction shooters

fallow topaz
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It helps it's less... Loot focused

uneven flax
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yeah. It's just battle royale

fallow topaz
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You don't grind for the perfect attachment and stuff.

uneven flax
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looting in this game is just part of the greater pvp

fallow topaz
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And when I want some one's hard earned skins

turbid dock
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i'm imagining a first round where one team decides to run away with the bounties to try to get an advantage next round and the other teams have a real motivation to actually race them and stop them so they dont have to fight a mosin uppercut trio next match

uneven flax
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because bounty teams running just doesnt make for a fun to watch sporting event

turbid dock
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yeah smaller maps would probably help make it more interesting to watch

lofty sinew
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one side snowballing because they got rich first wouldn't add much either imo

uneven flax
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i think they need to get 1/3rd or 1/4th of the map for a theoretical e sport. Slice it in corners

turbid dock
fallow topaz
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I feel like a showdown mode would be fun. Basically all solos and you are going for specific enemy players.

turbid dock
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CS, valorant, mobas

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all have snowballing economies

uneven flax
turbid dock
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and it works just fine

uneven flax
fallow topaz
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And it basically is a... One life and after you kill your dude you're safe for the next round.

uneven flax
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if you are poor you could barely afford a regen shot if you need to priotize guns

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a regen shot can make or break in pro fights

lofty sinew
fallow topaz
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Yeah. Gotta play the gimmicks more

turbid dock
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it also helps that hunt has multiple teams, a leading mosin dolch team could get targeted by multiple teams

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they're attractive targets to steal from

uneven flax
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the 4-team dynamic in a pro setting will definitely be interesting to watch

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as long as the maps are smaller

upbeat lark
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How would the winning condition be for hunt eSports the ones that take the most bounty I guess

turbid dock
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the biggest obstacle to competitive integrity i think would be the randomness of hunt in terms of spawns and boss locations

fallow topaz
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Best 2 out of 3 structures tournaments with the final one being 3 of 5 winner takes all.

uneven flax
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doesnt matter who spawns next to boss at that point

turbid dock
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yeah it definitely helps, the banish time works wonders if the time to cross the map becomes smaller

fallow topaz
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It would basically be double bounty sized maps (I'd think that's how I'd go about it)

turbid dock
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yeah

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something between 4-8 compounds ish

fallow topaz
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Healthier spawns than Clash

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But not 5 minutes of running

uneven flax
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yeah clash is so cancer in spawns. but hey clash is where i practice my shot leading ๐Ÿ˜‚

turbid dock
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i want everyone involved here to let this ruminate and cook in their brains, if you get other ideas i want to hear them hah

uneven flax
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i still wish clash does random compound sizes. make it 1-3

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i think crytek just dont want to bother making the new spawns and configs

upbeat lark
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If I remember correctly there is one time where I headshot someone with a Maynard from 4 steps off spawn on clash

lofty sinew
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noted. brains cooking. someone remind me to take the idea out before i burn the whole thing.

turbid dock
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will do

upbeat lark
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That's what like what 4 teams spawning around a single compound do to a game

uneven flax
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none of this discussion is going anywhere, not even the custom lobby we all want HntBigSad

turbid dock
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so i can pitch it to crytek when i totally apply for a job

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trust me it will happen

uneven flax
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apply for the development director and tell us what the unannounced project is

upbeat lark
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Don't worry guys I have a genie lamp with 1 wish

turbid dock
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oh hell yeah

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fuck solving world hunger, we're creating hunt esports

uneven flax
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hunt esports or remove long ammo

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pick 1

upbeat lark
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To hell with worldpiece were creating eSports

neon glacier
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long ammo is not an issue when spam exists

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if anything should be removed its spam weapons

uneven flax
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both are issues

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lets just play winnies

upbeat lark
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Long ammo spam

short halo
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It took me entirely too long to realize worldpiece was world peace

upbeat lark
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Semiautomatic avtomat as a long ammo rare scarce weapon

short halo
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I thought there was a new competitive scene or something

uneven flax
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I realised how impossible it is to peek an avtomat

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i get tapped in the leg and im still dead

turbid dock
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worldpiece is actually the sequel to one piece

upbeat lark
turbid dock
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everyone thought it would be called two piece but they tricked everyone

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it will have twice as many episodes

upbeat lark
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Oh my goodness a fkin American fairy got me so traumatized I can't even spell worldpeace

short halo
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Third is called three piece suit.

Everyone excpected galaxy piece, but . . . Tricked again!

uneven flax
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do you know Jojo has almost as much chapters as One Piece

frigid ibex
uneven flax
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One Piece's problem is the animation, they intentionally pad it to make a long running shitries

frigid ibex
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There's nothing like it in hunt

uneven flax
upbeat lark
frigid ibex
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Less popular is all

short halo
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Way less ammo

frigid ibex
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Before you could ammo dump without issues. That's like the biggest change

upbeat lark
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My godness I just got reminded of that one piece scene where it's just 2 entire minutes of air

short halo
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avto with dual sparps was what? 30 some odd in reserve?

turbid dock
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firing an avto burst that doesnt kill someone is the most painful feeling in hunt

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ammo is gone

frigid ibex
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That's fine, hate avto

short halo
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Plus you got back stupid amounts since ammo was picked up based on reserves

sweet stirrup
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ok Im convinced

upbeat lark
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Oh my goodness

sweet stirrup
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ill play some hunt

lofty sinew
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avto is silly. it exemplifies the uncomfortable lack of logic crytek is willing to bring to weapon balance.

lofty sinew
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when everything is a skill issue nothing is.

sweet stirrup
upbeat lark
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Wait a moment do devil work on avto

lofty sinew
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i don't think so

turbid dock
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i kinda like the philosophy of making avto and nitro these absurdly strong weapons with equally absurd drawbacks

short halo
next mesa
next mesa
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And maybe doesn't work on fanning, either. But it does work on dualies.

frigid ibex
upbeat lark
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If only I have an avto to test this

frigid ibex
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Think it just transferred over

upbeat lark
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Oh wait training range

next mesa
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Shooting range has an avto.

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Just bring a devil card

upbeat lark
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Fu I just realized I don't have a devil

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How sad

signal egret
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is there a reason to lower your weapon other than for visibility?

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I see a lot of people in videos doing it constantly

turbid dock
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people doing it constantly are playing on the hunter control scheme

signal egret
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ahh

next mesa
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I'm on gunslinger and I also lower it a lot.

turbid dock
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the benefit of lowering it is just visibility

signal egret
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ah I see

next mesa
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It's useful whe you're pressed up against a wall and don't want the barrel of your gun to stick out of it.

lofty sinew
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i forget lowering is a thing tbh. it's not that hard to notice if you're sticking a rifle through a wall really

signal egret
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I kinda wanna try out hunter control scheme at some point

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just to see if it suits the playstyle better

upbeat lark
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Yea there is way too many times where I managed a wallbang headshot solely cause of a gun barrel

next mesa
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It's entirely personal preference. There's no inherent advantage/disadvantage to it.

lofty sinew
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oh i see it a lot. somehow people manage to do it right beside windows a lot

signal egret
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is the hunter scheme just supposed to be like more specialized to hunt?

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or what's the real intention behind it if not?

turbid dock
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it's the original control scheme

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it puts slightly more emphasis on hitting things with your gun

next mesa
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Yeah, back before the game released, there was only the Hunter control scheme. Gunslinger was added in later.

turbid dock
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hunter makes it easier to keep your gun lowered more, but also means it might take you a couple hundred milliseconds longer to get a shot off if someone catches you with your gun down. Two very small tradeoffs, it's mostly preference

signal egret
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ah I see

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Okay that's good to know

upbeat lark
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I haven't tried hunter control

signal egret
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despite having almost 200 hours in this game I still feel like I know very little about certain parts of the game lol

upbeat lark
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This make it sounds like those stances on a hack and slash games

next mesa
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If you're comfortable with gunslinger, there's no real reason to try Hunter.

next mesa
signal egret
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Yeah ๐Ÿ˜ญ

turbid dock
upbeat lark
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Yea I've used gunslinger for far to long to switch by now

next mesa
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I think I'm going to hit 2,000 hours soon myself.

signal egret
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and like 75 of it was me being a dumbass and just playing trials over and over again cause I was sick of dying lol

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DAMN

turbid dock
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hey what else do you feel like you know little about

signal egret
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I think it's less like

fallow topaz
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Stance only comes up when you're flagging through a wall. But that can happen in general.

signal egret
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actual know-how and more like gamesense stuff

turbid dock
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ah yeah

upbeat lark
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Me with 370 getting confused cause my frag didn't clear conc

signal egret
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especially with repositioning

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goddamn I suck at positioning

next mesa
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gamesense is certainly developed over gametime rather than someone telling you. Though people telling you can help.

signal egret
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and I think that's why I keep dying

fallow topaz
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Knowing when and how to reposition is the hardest part of any shooter imo

turbid dock
next mesa
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Sometimes I still struggle to determine when I should fall back and relocate. Sometimes I'm too stubborn and kill-hungry.

late walrus
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starting a complex game is always annoying at the start because you know that most of your deaths are from a lack of experience

upbeat lark
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Indeed

signal egret
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I think that's the biggest thing that is a bit disheartening still

fallow topaz
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I use IRL recommendations which is usually 2 shots when assaulting/ avoiding repeaks if you were spotted

signal egret
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it's like deaths that could've been prevented if I would've just done ONE thing differently

late walrus
signal egret
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Yeah I'm still enjoying my time

fallow topaz
turbid dock
signal egret
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and wiping a lobby whether in clash or hunt is genuinely euphoric

fallow topaz
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Like figuring out that one thing as you recreate the situation

signal egret
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like understand what I did wrong and remember it for next time

fallow topaz
late walrus
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one of the things hunt made me do that no other shooter has

upbeat lark
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Yea doing a lobby wipe after 3 or more losing games is euphoric

late walrus
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is it made me stop viewing walls as cover

turbid dock
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wood walls are basically just smokes

late walrus
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other games if theres someone behind a wall its usually pretty difficult to kill them through it

signal egret
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even metal walls sometimes lol

fallow topaz
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Gotta love good ol Concealment vs Cover

signal egret
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goddamn fmj

late walrus
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hunt is just a matter of knowing where their head is through that wall

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or their body if you have good pen

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and theyre tagged

dry hawk
signal egret
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yes and they can go through wooden walls lol

fallow topaz
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That being said nothing is more "fun" as hiding in a bush as bullets go by like

"Don't see me can't hit me" as you use a shot or medkit

next mesa
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Lobby wipes for me no longer have that euphoric factor to it. Usually we pat each other on the back and go onto the next game. If it's a wipe after a series of losses, it's either a relief or a "finally" moment ๐Ÿ˜„

late walrus
clever lion
fallow topaz
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Gotta wipe after a shit game or two

dry hawk
late walrus
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quad derringer cannot pen walls

next mesa
turbid dock
lofty sinew
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lobby wipes can still kinda be like that if the fighting was intense enough. but i guess thats kinda rare

next mesa
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Welcome to Hunt

clever lion
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Thanks!

signal egret
clever lion
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I've been fending for myself pretty good

upbeat lark
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Small ammo (base) can go trough wood walls right

signal egret
upbeat lark
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Like fences and stuff

fallow topaz
signal egret
late walrus
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base compact? yeah

clever lion
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Got a friend who LIVES this game, so he's been teachin' me pretty good

next mesa
upbeat lark
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Hope you're enjoying the game so far

clever lion
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Mhm!

signal egret
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I have no friends who like the game unfortunately ๐Ÿ˜ญ

dry hawk
signal egret
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I also just like playing games solo in general a lot of times lol

lofty sinew
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gotta have a certain level of acceptance of pain to be a hunt player.

clever lion
next mesa
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Could always make friends here. Most of us here like to play Hunt ;p

fallow topaz
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Solo is good for learning compounds

Faffing around.

late walrus
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hunt was kinda designed to be played in a 3 player team so i recommend finding people to play with instead of running solo

signal egret
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in fact most of them actively hate it cause they hear "extraction shooter" and want to crucify me on the spot

raven totem
signal egret
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but yeah I do uh

clever lion
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It's super refreshing over the normal run and gun games

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I love the strategy and careful playing

raven totem
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Omg I love hearing new player impressions

signal egret
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noticeably better when with trios

late walrus
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iffy

lofty sinew
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it was originally duos only

next mesa
turbid dock
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i'm half joking but it literally was designed for a two player team hah, two bounty tokens, the old rule of two when looting, trios not existing

raven totem
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Rule of two was unhealthy more so than just trios t be fair

next mesa
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Still only two bounty tokens

upbeat lark
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So that's why there have to be a poor person who doesn't get a share of bounty

lofty sinew
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haha. thats a memory. tool box! .. oh sorry already 2 loots. none for you.

fallow topaz
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I like the 3rd can be floating in the map

dry hawk
next mesa
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Well, everyone gets a share of the bounty. It's not divvied up amongst the trio.

raven totem
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Like some jerks, can't imagine who, would just throw axes into the bushes to burn tool boxes so others couldn't use them

upbeat lark
fallow topaz
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I remember when XP was fully shared... Man I loved getting free unlocks to entice me to try new guns

late walrus
signal egret
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genuinely have been enjoying hunt so much that the next ttrpg campaign I'm running is gonna have a southern gothic horror feel just like hunt. Lots of older ww1 era firearms and freaky magic and monsters and such too

next mesa
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Not everyone wants to be the bounty carrier

late walrus
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ahem

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i FUCKING HATE THIS STUPID GAME

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EVERYONE IS JUST SPAMMING ALL THE TIME

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DOLCH DOLCH DOLCH

fallow topaz
signal egret
late walrus
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HUNT SHOWDOWN IS AN UNBALANCED MESS!!!

signal egret
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/silly

gray aurora
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3 and 4 mmr ppl play with all the fun guns

late walrus
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HUUNTING BOW IS OP!!!!

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smth like that

fallow topaz
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Nothing is worse than an addict that can't enjoy the high anymore /jk

signal egret
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I genuinely hated playing in the beginning cause I was also a solo and I didn't understand why it was so hard to get a maxxed out hunter

next mesa
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Anyway, I think the balance in Hunt is pretty good. Aside from some interesting weapons. Though, I am beginning to wish dum dum was never implemented in the game.

raven totem
signal egret
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cause uh

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you're supposed to actually

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win sometimes

stray robin
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hello. is inferno turned off already? Haven't played for 2 months

fallow topaz
fallow topaz
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Like I know it's breaking pressure and stuff.

whole furnace
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Okay I am back from making the whole Hunger Server mad.
How have people been?

next mesa
upbeat lark
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I love dumdum

fallow topaz
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Trying to find it for my centennial

upbeat lark
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I hate it when it's used on me tho

fallow topaz
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Because I was addicted to that

late walrus
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inferno is still here, its just classed as a time of day so you wont get it every match

stray robin
late walrus
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yes

next mesa
# raven totem I am dum dum enjoyer

When I use it, it's fun. But man... when it's used against you, it's very oppressive. If it was removed, I think it'd be a little healthier for the game. But that's just my opinion.

upbeat lark
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Cent/wild dum should not have exist

signal egret
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does anyone here play exclusively solo? Or am I genuinely insane for even trying ๐Ÿ˜ญ

whole furnace
raven totem
fallow topaz
next mesa
fallow topaz
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I only just started doing solo runs.

upbeat lark
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If it have to exist I'd say keep it as a option for the single shot guns

lofty sinew
signal egret
fallow topaz
raven totem
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I like dum Dums existence because it steps outside of long and sppam

late walrus
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i hope dumdum gets nuked from the game

raven totem
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Pffft

fallow topaz
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Bloodless? Sorry I want iron eye/ ambidextrous/ whatever

next mesa
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Bloodless is strong, but I do not really ever choose it. The other perks are just more useful to me.

raven totem
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Ambidextrous?

whole furnace
next mesa
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Because there could be instances where bloodless does nothing for a match or two or three.

fallow topaz
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It helps them reload faster

raven totem
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Oh I'm awa

late walrus
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how much faster does ambidextrous actually make the reload

upbeat lark
late walrus
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it always feels fast enough without

fallow topaz
upbeat lark
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More often than not surefoot plus psychian already took all my trait points on my second life

late walrus
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i know its faster thats the whole point of the trait

lofty sinew
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oh i take bloodless pretty regularly i guess.

late walrus
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i wanna know how much

fallow topaz
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Wait is a bornheim an enbloc clip?

next mesa
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Yes

fallow topaz
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Forget magazines weren't invented yet

next mesa
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They were

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C93

fallow topaz
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*detachable box magazines.

late walrus
# next mesa C93

if this gets added to the game i will be having words with crytek

whole furnace
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Suggestion: Make scarce traits actually scarce, so we don't have to leave 3-5 trait slots open for them at all time lol

next mesa
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The C93 has a detachable magazine

dry hawk
fallow topaz
next mesa
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That's the C96

dry hawk
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unless if you run swift in which case it doesnt help at all

whole furnace
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Why are we talking about the C93

fallow topaz
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But yeah you're right. It's that early era

next mesa
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C95 is the one that is stripper clip fed

fallow topaz
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I want a Browning pocket. Need an op compact pistol /jk

upbeat lark
late walrus
next mesa
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Yes, I just fat fingered

clever lion
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Any tips on what to run in a build along side the Sparks?

dry hawk
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another sparks

late walrus
upbeat lark
whole furnace
clever lion
next mesa
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I want blademancer to be a normal trait

robust bridge
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Anyone want to run show games ususally in 5-6start lobbies need 2

dry hawk
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i want crackshot back

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the newer one

upbeat lark
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Some use uppercut explosive along with the spark

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The small aoe explosive damage doesn't feel so useless anymore when your enemy is at 1hp

dry hawk
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explosive ammo is so funny

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especially on the uppercut like why does it do 25 less damage

next mesa
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Balance

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Explosive can get oppressive very quickly.

tiny ledge
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Did post get removed where they talked about additional player lobbies and their plans to implement? I tried going back in history and couldnโ€™t find anything. even though I remember them coming out and saying they were planning to add it after the positive feedback, but only to trios.

light sky
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Never happened

dry hawk
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i understand why it does less damage but why does the uppercut have such a higher penalty

next mesa
upbeat lark
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I've never seen anyone use explo ammo it's just explo bolts on bows chukonus and crossbows

lofty sinew
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i mean rachtas most recent schtick is sparks pistol + explo mako

upbeat lark
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Explo chukonu is quite oppressive when you doesn't expect it

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Oh you though you're safe behind that cement wall eat 5 of this explosive bolts

late walrus
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its crazy how 6* is such a wide range that 2 3* and a 6* is given a match mmr of 5*
meanwhile another team who is 2 6* and a 5* gets the same match mmr

tiny ledge
whole furnace
late walrus
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tbh i think it should just put them in like 4 match mmr

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from what ive seen 4* players are pretty capable of killing a 6*

jagged wraith
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I mean

late walrus
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instead this guys 3* friends are just fighting full 6 lobbies lmao

jagged wraith
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In my experience if you're high enough 6* you even solo trio 6 star games

whole furnace
late walrus
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we already get endless pissing and moaning from solos existing

jagged wraith
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Why?

whole furnace
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Fair point lol

jagged wraith
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Unless they're rats it's just a worse gameplay style

late walrus
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they feel the skill diff is unfair too

whole furnace
# jagged wraith Why?

Inherent issue of being impossible to balance in a way where everyone are happy.
Also good name, good song.

jagged wraith
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Doesn't need to be balanced.

lofty sinew
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sometimes i moan, sometimes i piss. sometimes i poan and sometimes i miss.

dry hawk
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solo players dont need anymore help than they already have tbh

whole furnace
lofty sinew
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it's never going to be entirely possible to "balance" solo play in a team game. this modern trend of everyone expecting every game to cater to making solo play possible is.. unhelpful. imho.

whole furnace
late walrus
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holy randoms

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this poor soul gets instantly headshot

lofty sinew
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but you know. we must service mammons loins, so many a "pragmatic" choice is made about trying to placate the hordes of people who want to play a game fundamentally not really designed to accomodate it "their way"

late walrus
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our afk teammate came back finally for the spawnfight

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instantly hides in a bush and misses 2 shots

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fails to kill someone with dark dynamite and then dies in a bush

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starts yapping about hacks

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and the other random just says "no you are bad"

lofty sinew
late walrus
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i love this game

whole furnace
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Instead of fixing it

gray aurora
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went to solo game thinking easier opponent there was 3 solos higher than me ๐Ÿ™

late walrus
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holy matchmaking

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4 solos in one match?

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sonion

gray aurora
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best time to play

whole furnace
late walrus
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eu things?

whole furnace
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matchmaking things

late walrus
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i rarely get a solo on NA bounty hunt

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most the times when i think someone is solo they were just super far from their team

whole furnace
#

One solo leaves 2 spots open (in trios), so easily that becomes another 2 solos

jagged wraith
#

I stil enjoy duos a lot too. It's just less fun from a solo perspective because fights are triple the chaos.

late walrus
#

but for me its usually a duo taking the other spots

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or theres no solo at all

jagged wraith
#

Wish they'd vary the lobbies from 12 to 15 and not tell anyone.

late walrus
#

ive actually had alot of matches where theres a duo and the space for a solo just isnt taken

whole furnace
#

Well your MMR is also that high that rarely solos gonna be in your bracket.

jagged wraith
#

Make that super intense

whole furnace
#

15 players lobbies sucked so hard

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It was the worst

late walrus
#

i swear i like randomly sat at high 6 or something this number refuses to go down

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i keep dying like a fucking idiot

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and it just stays

gray aurora
#

Im 4 mmr in hunt and 5 in clash. I face a lot of 6 stars

dry hawk
#

if spawn fights didnt occur so often i dont think id mind 15 player lobbies as much

late walrus
#

dude my KD has gone down before my mmr lmao

gray aurora
#

I play usually random trios in hunt

late walrus
#

some days its just headshotting everyone i see

gray aurora
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and might die 3-4 times a game

late walrus
#

other days i do this

gray aurora
#

Almost always atleast once

whole furnace
dry hawk
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also i wouldnt mind spawn fights as much if the loading times werent so long

whole furnace
#

If 15 players trios were ONLY 5 trio teams, I'm sure it would be fine.

late walrus
#

when they tried 15 players it just felt like a hoard shooter

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kill team another team is already here

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over and over until lobby wipe

gray aurora
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15 players had like every game 2 or 3 team spawn fight

late walrus
#

i really do not want to have a server fight with 15 players either

whole furnace
#

Honestly.
Instead of having lobbies being player count, it should be 5 teams always.

dry hawk
#

server fights have the potential to be really fun or absolute misery depending on where in the fight you're at

#

nothing like being caught in a crossfire between two teams making you think they telepathically allied to take you and your friends down first

whole furnace
late walrus
#

hey siri why does my teammate have a spyglass

whole furnace
#

Pimged

dry hawk
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because they want to spy onthings

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duh

gray aurora
#

spyglass could show ppl in bushes 8)

whole furnace
#

๐Ÿ”ญ๐Ÿ‘๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„ ๐Ÿ‘๏ธ

gray aurora
#

I have never even tried it. So I dont know how it works

dry hawk
#

even with 12 player lobbies being the first team to a bounty fight is risky if you dont have much info

whole furnace
dry hawk
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like a lot of people hate bush strats but its either that or risk being shot from two different teams

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i think theres a way to make everyone happy though

#

just make clash 15 players

#

ez

whole furnace
#

Just make clash a better game

#

ez

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Then we don't need to try to "fix" bh

dry hawk
#

how would you make clash a better gamemode

whole furnace
#

Random loadouts for each players on a team, but mirrored across all teams.

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No meta, all chaos

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Ofc you get medkits and melee tool as a guaranteed.

dry hawk
#

that could be its own gamemode or maybe a seasonal event thing

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but i think clash is fine how it is

whole furnace
#

Dunno, people complaining about BH not being more action filled, when they can BC is a sign that BC is not good enough.

upbeat lark
#

Random loadout bounty hunt/clash gamemode where you will spend 400 coins regardless to get in (trait is also randomized)

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Actually 500 coins

dry hawk
whole furnace
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That there are people who want more action but don't like how it is done in Clash

dry hawk
#

i hope those arent the same people complaining about chariot since im pretty sure that was added to encourage more fights

whole furnace
dry hawk
#

allows? results?

whole furnace
#

More than just flat out remove the extraction part of the extraction shooter.

dry hawk
#

it doesnt remove them, it just moves them

upbeat lark
#

One thing for sure some spawn on clash need to be reworked

whole furnace
#

Dunno, the skill check just ain't there with the card.

#

Kinda just "free" to use

dry hawk
#

i do agree that fixed card locations makes chariots downside pretty much meaningless

upbeat lark
#

-1 healthbar is not enough of a drawback it seems

whole furnace
#

And the fact you can always see the bounty team's movement means you don't even have to do any timing

whole furnace
upbeat lark
#

A team can just camp, wait till all the fight is over and force the bounty winner to fight them when they're at their weakest

whole furnace
#

AND also the odds for the Chariot to actual work is super high due to the fact you are flipping two open edge extract into one edge extract and the middle extract.

upbeat lark
#

Id imagine the bounty team to have depleted resources after that fight

late walrus
whole furnace
late walrus
#

my teammates need another brain but thats not something i can help them with

late walrus
frozen crag
#

Officer carbine turns you into a demon lmaoooo

whole furnace
upbeat lark
#

Hitscan

late walrus
#

its strange

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i was using spitzer and couldnt hit heads

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but with cent hv i can

dry hawk
#

i think using chariot should leave a mark on the map, like dark sight

late walrus
#

using chariot should show who did it so i can ask these people why

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ive seen some weird chariots bro

#

people have used chariot to try making me leave the match

whole furnace
upbeat lark
#

Using chariot would send a ddos to the router of the user

#

This joke might have went too far

frozen crag
lone viper
#

think the game's dead

#

matchmaking is superslow

late walrus
#

i havent gone much lower

frozen crag
#

I love the cent too but i feel you on that

#

I should bust out the handbow

#

kek

dry hawk
#

in my experience everytime i get into a post-chariot fight its a 50/50, i dont believe either side has any extrinsic advantage unless the bounty team is really hurting on resources and health

whole furnace
late walrus
#

sometimes it feels like hunt is trying to be a competitive shooter and an extraction shooter at the same time

#

these 2 dont fit together

late walrus
#

one is objective based one is blowing your enemies shit smoove off based

whole furnace
#

Currently the way matches plays out is very linear.

late walrus
#

we have an objective, but we also have skill based matchmaking, we have extracts to leave whenever you want, but we also have chariot

#

it doesnt make sense

#

i mean im not mad about it. but you need to pick one or the other

whole furnace
# late walrus it doesnt make sense

Well it is push and pull between what the game is and community feedback.
Bc there are just a lot of "solutions" in this game that more often than not is fixing is player skill issue.

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Chariot is one of such imo

late walrus
#

in the end the game usually plays like a battle royale with looting

#

you keep fighting until lobby is wiped and then you loot and leave

dry hawk
whole furnace
#

People complains "bounty running away", but in reality bounty team have been sitting in the boss lair whole banishment time and now see no one in dark sight after picking up the bounty.

late walrus
#

well yeah i like having sbmm

whole furnace
#

Yeah

#

Bounty is gonna go for extract then lol

late walrus
#

see

dry hawk
#

i just dont have enough experience with chariot to really form a strong opinion about it one way or the other

late walrus
#

when i complain about bounty running away its because they are literally running away

whole furnace
#

I mean, they are just bringing the ball to the goal

dry hawk
#

if my team gets chariot'd i just go "well, i guess they wanna fight" and proceed to kill or get killed

late walrus
#

hitting chariot on a bounty team and they are STILL running after no fighting at all

#

its more effort than just fighting me

whole furnace
#

Well, having the bounty is a disadvantage for most people.

late walrus
#

like just shoot me in the head and you can do whatever you want

#

bounty isnt worth shit anyway

whole furnace
#

And trying to find someone in the wild while you have the bounty is also not smart.

late walrus
#

they have 150m scan to know im not in there

whole furnace
late walrus
#

well they get 10 seconds of it between their team

whole furnace
#

Again, if I get bounty and I see no one in scan, I just ain't really willing to risk walking into an ambush.

late walrus
#

surely they wouldnt waste ALL 10 SECONDS before finding a compound

#

leaving if no ones on scan i dont mind as much cause like id do it too

#

waiting around and no one shows up

whole furnace
#

No, but still even with seconds, the fact you are visible on the map means that enemy bounty team can just set up some nasty ambush.

late walrus
#

i cant be fucked running around the map

whole furnace
#

Exactly

#

I am more willing to go across the map if the other boss is banishing

upbeat lark
#

What I care more is the XP from the bounty than the money from the bounty by now

late walrus
#

which arent all that common

whole furnace
late walrus
#

10 seconds tends to be enough

#

ive run around the map with bounty so many times

whole furnace
#

I have too, but like, usually based on info

late walrus
#

the least info ive gone with is "shooting was that way" and then i go that way

whole furnace
#

Like hearing a big fight and then see the 2nd boss banish, then I'm sure that it is only two teams left and the road to the other lair is gonna be safe.

late walrus
#

you just go compound to compound making sure no ones staring at you

whole furnace
#

Sure

#

But still

late walrus
#

if theres a stray team they usually dont get that much advantage because you know theyre there

whole furnace
#

Not the bounty team to play risky

#

If they wanna leave that is valid play

#

or try to

late walrus
#

when i am running at them it is annoying

#

and alot of the time they can just get themselves killed doing so

#

because instead of fighting in a compound they ran into they fight right outside the extract

whole furnace
#

I guess, I enjoy the race to the finish line

#

Think that is where pvp is most fun in Hunt

#

Again, othewise, why not just play clash?

late walrus
#

well

#

clash is like 9 romeros

whole furnace
#

That is true

#

That is how this whole convo started lol

late walrus
#

i would play a whole lot more clash if it wasnt endless one taps

whole furnace
#

Clash needs to be better, so people wont try to make BH something it ain't lol

late walrus
#

someone suggested having clash rotate around certain weapons only and i think that would be fun

whole furnace
#

I would like to think clash might be more fun if it were 2 or 3 compounds instead of just 1.

slow thunder
#

make every ammo in clash a rubber bullet equivalent, so it deals twice less the damage :)

late walrus
dry hawk
late walrus
#

most clash spawns you can get your way out of even if they are abysmal

late walrus
#

without even killing anyone

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id give an example if i remembered the fucking compound name

dry hawk
#

honestly ive had just as many clash games where it ends after 10 or so romero noises and others where its just poke fights

whole furnace
#

make clash maps play around a wild target instead of a compound

#

watch the world burn

slow thunder
late walrus
#

ive teamed with hellborn in BH before

#

at blanchett

#

he redskulled someone for us

late walrus
#

when do i get a cool leper skin

gray aurora
#

its female name. That is how they get you

hollow crescent
#

that is definitely a bot, fresh ass account

whole furnace
#

use @lilac swan

#

This could get you muted/banned

#

By just making claims in the open

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no matter how valid they are :)

carmine hare
#

seems like good moderation!

whole furnace
#

Which part?

sharp mulch
jagged wraith
whole furnace
#

But my mistake for wanting to help lol

jagged wraith
#

Hope they see this.

whole furnace
#

Eventually I guess

sharp mulch
#

Am new here guys

carmine hare
#

fake

uneven flax
#

Hunger playtest starting soon ๐Ÿ˜Ž

proud sand
#

Im doomed today

#

I have 3k now its gg

uneven flax
#

hunt dollars?

#

ew

#

what she doin

whole furnace
#

drugs

cloud stream
#

Does the game support FSR 4?

whole furnace
#

Just recall that it does

signal egret
#

Would a good general rule of thumb be "if they see you peek an angle once, don't peak it again"

turbid dock
#

Yup

signal egret
#

Okay so as soon as they take a shot at you basically just dip and get another angle

turbid dock
#

With a notable exception being that they've since switched attention to someone else somewhere else

signal egret
#

Or as soon as they see you

whole furnace
signal egret
#

TRUE

#

Surely my unadulterated hubris will not get me slaughtered in this matter

turbid dock
#

Seeing you peek somewhere is more likely to keep them trained on that spot than just seeing you in the area in general, but yknow

signal egret
#

Yeah for sure

turbid dock
signal egret
#

Also is there a trick to try and keep the cross hair head-level or is that just gamesense?

#

I've been really struggling to hit headshots ngl

turbid dock
#

Mostly knowledge, but if you ask me it doesn't matter too much, keep your crosshair in the approximate area and be ready to make a microadjustment before the shot

signal egret
#

Aight aight

#

Got some practice to do tomorrow lol

turbid dock
#

Head level crosshair placement is mostly relevant when, say, you're holding an angle where you know someone is about to show up, like if they've hit you and you've retreated but they're pushing around the corner, something like that

#

In most other situations you have time to aim

uneven flax
#

repeeking is risky but it also trains you to try to tag/pop on repeeks

#

or learn how to repeek differently

#

it's all split second decisions and microadjustments

turbid dock
# signal egret Got some practice to do tomorrow lol

Oh, about repeeks, i forgot to mention: if for any reason you're sure that they're not able to hold your angle, like you know that they're reloading (say, they're using a single shot gun and you have a repeater), you can pop out and become the one holding the angle

uneven flax
#

Repeeking or jump peeking a corner, shooting a prayer and going back to cover while hearing your enemy's death moan will never not be satisfying

#

Some risks are worth taking, but of course many also aren't

#

Especially if there's a noticeable skill / luck gap between you and your enemy

#

If my enemy is missing most of his shots im totally repeeking

#

if this fucking demon doesn't seem to miss i aint repeeking fuck you

#

repeeks are exactly the reason why my teammates lost 2v1 last night

#

these randos literally repeeked the same spot 5-6 times

#

after i killed his teammate twice and i got popped myself.

#

the lone enemy was a P100 who keeps rotating while my 4* teammates were repeeking the same corners

#

๐Ÿ˜‚

turbid dock
#

Some times the enemy just radiates sweat particles and you know they're gonna hit you

uneven flax
#

actually coming out on top of a team that felt like they're a notch above you at first is absolutely amazing though

#

the highs in this game is incredible

chrome lintel
chrome lintel
uneven flax
#

real

chrome lintel
#

I really gotta find a good loadout tho

wooden ember
#

avtomat

chrome lintel
#

No.

#

But ngl crossbow and axe isn't great...

#

Funny but not the most viable

wooden ember
#

yeah that sounds ASS

#

play mosin dolch

lofty sinew
#

the real 5d chess is re-peeking the same angle at exactly the same cadence multiple times in a row. because what idiot would do that?

#

this one galaxyBrainSkill

native root
#

How's it going people

tribal sparrow
#

did crytek said how exactly this new "military supply" feature will work?

turbid dock
#

Then you're cooking

tender orchid
#

If yall want a good load out use Springfield and Lemat

molten light
#

which male hunters from the ones u can get for blood bonds in the store do u guys think is the coolest? (also consider how intresting are his hands and arms since thats the only portion u get to enjoy)

chrome lintel
chrome lintel
#

Oh by the way guys I need your opinions

#

Am I the only one to see the hex breaker skin as Norman Reedus?

#

I'm halfway certain there are hunters modeled after actors in this game

#

Maybe it's official and im just stupid tho

wooden ember
#

hands are pretty fucked up but cool imo

molten light
wooden ember
#

hm

hollow crescent
molten light
#

male

hollow crescent
#

Uh, let's see here

wooden ember
#

Black coat has rings I think??

#

Ill check

hollow crescent
wooden ember
molten light
#

Waldman looks nice! Anyone has skinner maybe?

#

The skinned*

molten light
#

You guys are awesome for this, really appreciate it

wooden ember
hollow crescent
#

same here, I have Scaled Warrior however

molten light
#

Not sure i know who that is

hollow crescent
#

the other gator boy

wooden ember
#

im screenshotting that rn

molten light
#

Oh isnt he a dlc tho?

hollow crescent
#

he is not, that's reptilian

#

which is this guy

molten light
#

Ohh i see

wooden ember
hollow crescent
#

the skin is frankly inferior to its original counterpart

compact pilot
#

Hello. I play your game, Hunt: Showdown 1896, on Steam under the username baibeak1. On May 26, 2024, my account was hacked; proof of this is attached. You see, I live in the city of Ufa, in the Republic of Bashkortostan, Russia. However, the login to the game originated from a different country, as shown in the attachment. I have since changed my password and strengthened my account security. I never use third-party software; I enjoy the challenge your game offers, and I do not need cheats to enjoy playing it. All of my friends were deleted from my list, and the intruder purchased a copy of the game and transferred it to another account. I kindly request that you lift the ban on my in-game account, as I was the victim of an account hack. I truly appreciate your understanding in this matter.

molten light
#

Does anyone have the shirtless viking skin maybe?

#

The one with the tattoos

hollow crescent
wooden ember
compact pilot
#

and where to write?

wooden ember
hollow crescent
#

@lilac swan

#

or that

wooden ember
#

oh nvm

#

oh ok

#

lmao

#

Follow the guide thats in there

woeful folio
#

whats going on with the hunt steam page, looks like its getting a load of bad reviews, has gone from very positive to mixed, a lot of people complaining about cheaters and bad servers

wooden ember
woeful folio
wooden ember
#

yeah

#

Some people definitely just died to a wallbang by the bounty team and called it cheats

#

And I can only talk for myself but I neved had problems w the servers in like 2 months

#

Not one dc or anything so im good on that

woeful folio
#

oh thats good! my friends and i havent been as fortunate, the hunt streamers i was watching have been talking about it as well, Ratchaz etc

#

altho lets not jinx anything and hopefully it stays good your end lol

wooden ember
#

oh yeah I might have just gotten lucky

#

Only problem I had was my packet loss jumped a bit to like 50 but that only lasted for like 10 seconds and fortunately it wasnt while i was fighting

#

And I only met one cheater in my 700 hours so Im also good on that

#

But I also watched Rachta the other day who got hunted by cheaters in bounty clash ๐Ÿ˜„

woeful folio
woeful folio
#

i just really wish crytek would spend a couple updates/months soley focusing on smoothing out anticheat and servers, im sure most of the community would be happy to wait if it meant good progress

wooden ember
remote moss
#

or jobbers, you know

#

cause weekends you got time

woeful folio
remote moss
#

i gotta go see that

wooden ember
#

Oh no it was on sunday

wooden ember
remote moss
#

thanks

#

OH HELL YEA

#

I POP IN TO SEE THAT MUTHAFUCKA RUNNING EXPLO MAKO AND POPPING FRAGS WITH IT

#

based

#

@shrewd hare based af

left orbit
#

gosh i was this close ๐Ÿค to the wipe if only i connected my second braincell...

remote moss
#

lmao

#

999kd

#

i wonder how aimpunch affects aimbot

fervent totem
#

i suck so hard o this :c

remote moss
#

thats hunt showdown, yes

#

you will suck until you burn through many hours of your life

#

behold

left orbit
#

just avoid camping, left/right straffing like i posted, use hipfire in close range, know when to run and when to be silent, recognize footsteps, and also, WALLBANG

remote moss
#

tsk tsk, full info wallbangs

left orbit
#

iโ€™ve been wallbanged with poison ammo

#

thaaaatโ€™s a reprot. jic.

upbeat lark
#

I suck for 140 hours before I'm just passable

#

I believe it took me 60 ish hours before I got my first bounty extract that I truthly count as a win ( as in we competed and I won )

fervent totem
upbeat lark
#

You press right mouse button

#

And you also need a bounty on you

fervent totem
#

e + right button?

upbeat lark
#

Yes

#

Don forget you also need a bounty on you and for it to still have a darksight charge on it

fervent totem
#

alright thanks

#

also on the map where i know where i have to go or not ?

upbeat lark
#

By default you'll have 5 seconds in a team as you get one

fervent totem
#

yeah

upbeat lark
#

As of recently all extraction is hidden

fervent totem
#

yesterday i died because i was too long on the map.. i didnt know where to go was around circles

upbeat lark
#

It will get revealed to you (in the map) if you interact with a scout map in those scout towers, use a chariot card or take a bounty

fervent totem
#

how u use those cards?

upbeat lark
#

Just left click

fervent totem
#

if i left click i just shoot

upbeat lark
#

Oh

#

You switch to the card

#

Leave a consumable slot open

#

Take the card switch to the card as if you switch to your bombs or syringe and left click

fervent totem
#

ah okay thanks for the tips

upbeat lark
#

It's all fine

left orbit
#

itโ€™s called dark vision

#

or The Moon tarot card

#

Bounty allows you to get "insight" within 75m range btw even if youโ€™re out of seconds

#

The Moon and dark vision posters donโ€™t give you that, theyโ€™re only DV seconds

fervent totem
#

tarot cards have time or active all game after use?

left orbit
proud sand
left orbit
proud sand
#

anyone got this bug too?

upbeat lark
#

Oh yea I forgot you can do that

left orbit
#

except your traits that live until your hunters dies or if you remove them or if itโ€™s a burnt trait and gets used. read the descriptions to know more about how each work (especially burnt traits)

fervent totem
#

okay thanks . also is it better to play solo or with team?

left orbit
upbeat lark
#

370 hours is not enough to give proper tips it seems

proud sand
# proud sand

recharging the weapon resolve this bug but still sucks

left orbit
#

and itโ€™s already a lot โค๏ธ

upbeat lark
fervent totem
#

i mean for someone that is starting now

left orbit
#

doesnโ€™t matter

#

do what you prefer

#

solo is super hard

whole mist
#

Teams. Especially if you can find people to play with besides randoms

left orbit
#

but nothing prevents you from doing it

#

itโ€™s actually good to learn at your own pace

#

teaming is deffo easier

#

and you still get to learn anyways

upbeat lark
#

Learning with friends is more fun to me

#

And if you're having fun you'll learn faster

left orbit
#

also:

  • playing only teams makes you rely on teammates, which hinders playing in solo (on purpose, or when youโ€™re the only one)
  • playing only solo makes you forget about your teammates when you play with them
#

either way....

fervent totem
#

yeah i see people on youtube and i feel i will take years to be half close of that level

left orbit
#

to me itโ€™s a question of choice

#

just play the way you enjoy the game the most

wooden ember
#

I play with my shit as friends that I know I cant rely on

#

kek

#

Its ok I love them tho theyre funny

left orbit
#

also playing with free hunters with maximum noise is an option

left orbit
#

because people will:

  • run to you
  • ambush you
    but most importantly: you will find them fast HUL
wooden ember
#

we be shootin

upbeat lark
#

i wonder

#

do you think clash would be a good way to learn

left orbit
wooden ember
#

eh

left orbit
#

for tactics, not really

#

because these tactics will be pretty specific to the clash gamestyle

#

which is meme style

wooden ember
#

For close quarter fights for sure

upbeat lark
#

i guess if youre someone whos not used to the shooter part of an fps but i dont think itll let you learn the small things that are important

left orbit
#

i used clash to learn the bow

upbeat lark
#

like how to deal with ais and soundtraps

left orbit
fervent totem
#

u loose the characters u buy in this game ?

wooden ember
#

The items you have yes if you die w them

left orbit
#

(except hunter with death cheat)

#

but if you buy with Blood Bonds or through the store with real mony, the cosmetics are unlocked. which does NOT prevent you from buying ("recruiting") a hunter with Hunt Dollars

fervent totem
#

this game is harsh af then. but dlc characters or gamepass characters ?

wooden ember
#

you can play w them as many times as u want u wont lose them on death

#

only items you buy with hunt dollars

left orbit
fervent totem
#

ah okay at least that

#

and this hunt dollars.. u still get them when u die?

wooden ember
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you get a portion

upbeat lark
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you get a bit

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50 from clues i belive

fervent totem
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alright cool at least i dont die in vain

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upbeat lark
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and all the money from cash registers, hunters(if you have vulture or when you loot them with full tool/consume slot) and cash bags

left orbit
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it means that even if youโ€™re on tuff mony, you should at least be able to buy chockes and 2 small vit, with a free hunter

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problem is

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randoms are pissy

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and often donโ€™t want to play with free hunters

fervent totem
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whats the difference there?

wooden ember
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free hunters have low tier weapons most of the time

upbeat lark
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free hunters only have weapons from a predetermined pool and one low tier trait

fervent totem
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i thought the weapons were the same for all people . only skins would differ

wooden ember
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well you can play the weapon you want but on a free hunter you get one that the game gives you

fervent totem
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hum alot to learn i have

wooden ember
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Yeah

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It will suck just dont give up

left orbit
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itโ€™s just that frnee hunters, as they said, come with predefined weapon pool

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so like

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bow/hand xbow/marathon/winfield (ranger or whatev)/maynard/romero/springfield/some pistols

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1 consumable (firebomb, vit, hive...)

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one melee tool and a medkit

upbeat lark
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and the mele is always a small knife a heavy knife or a duster

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i should learn how to use the duster i keep missing

wooden ember
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i hit air to their left

wooden ember
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just use knuckle knife imo

left orbit
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knuckle knife garbage

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consumes too much stam and range is ass

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use have dusters 99.9% of the time

wooden ember
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Not a problem if you have perma stamina

upbeat lark
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both is stamina efficient isnt it

left orbit
left orbit
upbeat lark
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its been like a long time since the last time i use the knucle

wooden ember
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ngl I dropped knuckle knife for spear completely

left orbit
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thatโ€™s also an option

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more efficient per dollar imho

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i just donโ€™t like using the spear because i just suck aiming with it

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so if i miss the immo with the spear... iโ€™m fucked

upbeat lark
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i drop those 3 meles for a throwable mele and a cent trauma

outer iron
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Only reason I don't use the spear is because everyone hypes it up and I'm a contrarian.

left orbit
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and conduit

quiet hinge
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uneven flax
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spear's probably more helpful for solos than trios

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the only thing spear has going for is killing water devils and immolators

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otherwise the axe is enough

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but if its a trio i dont care. each can pitch in throwing shit at the immo / water devil and it's pretty much the same outcome

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lofty sinew
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the only thing? the spear is still the best all around tool by far

uneven flax
uneven flax
late walrus
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Easier one shot to hunters if you toss it

late walrus
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if i throw an axe at 20m

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i have to pray

lofty sinew
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higher boss damage. higher damage in general?

late walrus
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please dennis bless my throwing axe to go in a straight line

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throwing axe so shit

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throwing it sucks light melee takes shitloads of stam for no reason

uneven flax
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well pvp wise spear's still better i guess

uneven flax
lofty sinew
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idk. i'll grant you i don't really use knives or axes. but spear comes in clutch in cqc pretty regularly too

late walrus
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deadass prefer throwing knives over axe

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ive used them all axes are the worst option

uneven flax
late walrus
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nothing special to put on the table

uneven flax
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i dont understand throwing knife

random nimbus
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I love throwing knives too

uneven flax
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boy is it un fun to chuck 2 knives to kill a grunt

random nimbus
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But axes one shotting armored and killing horses anywhere is very nice

late walrus
lofty sinew
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it's just all around heckin handy. so i can understand not wanting to lose it.

late walrus
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1 to chest kills a grunt

uneven flax
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late walrus
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if you hit arm it dies from pull out damage

late walrus
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I also found out the hard way that throwing knives do NOT kill a hunter with a heavy melee to the head

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frigid ibex
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It does 125 damage

late walrus
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goes through hellhounds and big groups of grubts much easier

quiet hinge
late walrus
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late walrus
late walrus
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and if they dont you can. go up there usually

frigid ibex
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Assailant supposedly actually increase damage on throwing knife

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frigid ibex
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Unlike throwing axes