hunt-general

[dry hawk]

and yea you do need to be in close range but most people use the bow at those ranges anyway

[whole furnace]

HH is kinda a non-factor when talking about bow balance bc on how it applies the damage.

[turbid dock]

yeah, we're talking super close tho, ~6m for arm OHKs fully charged without HH

[whole furnace]

Bc bow is basically done like this:
1 - 100 power/damage
and HH just adds a higher cap to that so it becomes:
1 -110 power/damage

[turbid dock]

it also slows the curve scaling

[proud sand]

Bow broken
Nerf bow

[cursive magnet]

HH is bit of a mix

[whole furnace]

But the base rate is the same.
Min damage is the same.

[cursive magnet]

Fully charged, it's better

[turbid dock]

i have this handy graph i made, X-axis is charge time in milliseconds

[cursive magnet]

Curve is longer/slower though so spamming is less damage with HH

[dry hawk]

not even the nitro one shots to the arm or leg

not without shredder at least

and even then it isnt a given

[cursive magnet]

Bow is just absolutely busted

[whole furnace]

Eyup, HH is basically a trap

[cursive magnet]

Why does it even deal over 150 damage

[proud sand]

An arrow dealing more dmg than a bullet that makes your body esplode

[dry hawk]

like at least for the crossbow its a 3 slot weapon with a slow ass reload even with bolt thrower

[turbid dock]

an arrow is pretty big and the arrowhead shape is kinda dangerous, it's not unrealistic that an arrow causes a fuckton of bodily damage lol

not that realism is how you should balance a game

[dry hawk]

i would take getting shot with an arrow than a .500 caliber bullet from a weapon designed to kill animals ten times the size of humans, but this is correct

[turbid dock]

Different playstyles i'd say

[whole furnace]

For bosses :)

[turbid dock]

HH for more of a longbow feel

Non-hh for close range, fast firing shenanigans

[whole furnace]

You not really lend that luxury, only for your opening shot

[turbid dock]

You can always play around a longer cycle time tho, that's just the drawback (get it)

(laugh now)

[dry hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-gif-549301440228520168

[cursive magnet]

I don't even see the point in crossbow with the bow existing, but i do prefer it

[turbid dock]

Crossbow is better for aggressive pushes and peeking

[dry hawk]

you dont need to wait for your omega shot with crossbow unless youre reloading it

[spark plaza]

Is this updated post bow buff?

[turbid dock]

If you're talking about the bow buff that happened ages ago, bringing non-HH dmg up to previous HH levels, yes

I don't believe the charging curve changed there tho

This is dmg to feet at like 7 meters but that's not important anyways, the relative damage between HH and non-HH is

[dry hawk]

funnily ive only started to dislike the bows balance once i actually started using it

[cursive magnet]

everytime im having a bad day in hunt, i bring out the bow and its fine again

thing is honestly just busted

on the flip side im even raking in serious cash as that thing costs nothin

[dry hawk]

i always thought the charge time was its achilles heel and while i can see that being the case, you only feel that drawback (funny pun) if you miss, which is the case for every single shot weapon

[cursive magnet]

exactly, the drawback time is barely making a difference to most bolt rifles

[dry hawk]

personally, the biggest flaw for the bow for me is its lack of penetration

which is something i hope to god they never give to the bow or crossbow, even though shotbolts exist but idc about those

[whole furnace]

It is a drawback, but like, once you learn to play around it it is hardly one.
Akin to Mosin having a slow cycle rate on paper.

[turbid dock]

Reinforced steel spitzer arrows

[whole furnace]

But upsides are just that good

[dry hawk]

i feel nasty using it

but i still do because might as well use it before we lose it, if we ever lose it

[cursive magnet]

Currently grinding it for the badge before it inevitably becomes a meme gun

[dry hawk]

one time in clash i counted 6 bows after everyone died

[turbid dock]

I wouldn't mind if the dmg buff from forever ago was reverted, it was still strong back then

[dry hawk]

even though one guy had two bows i think every team in that server was roleplaying robin hood

[whole furnace]

That would be the reasonable start :)

[dry hawk]

i played like five games before the 2.0 update and i still remember getting jumpscared by a bow on my second game

[turbid dock]

they should add a bow variant that has two separate strings that you draw at the same time and can release one after the other and the bow would finally beat the nitro

ok most of the tension is in the bow itself

it's a double bow, two bows, two bowstrings

[unique trail]

Who here is a meathead master

[cursive magnet]

think i got that

what do you gotta do for it

[celest wharf]

Fire rival is fuckin good

[whole furnace]

It is not

Sorry

[cursive magnet]

It is good at deleting bars

[dreamy cave]

Its not lol

[cursive magnet]

But awful at killing

[dreamy cave]

Iv had multiple people trying to use it on me and im running away from both shots lol

[cursive magnet]

It ruins both your and your enemies lifes

You because you die, the enemies because he's gonna be running with a couple bars missing

[fringe dirge]

I like aetting people on fire and shooting them through walls with pain sense 🙂

[dry dagger]

wha happen to da voice channels?

[whole furnace]

!vcdown

[graceful hedge]

Our LFG bot appears to be down. In the meantime please use the numbered voice channels to look for a group.

[dry dagger]

thanks

[left orbit]

vcdown is actually checking the status of that stuff?

[sweet stirrup]

Hello people, it is me, I havent welcomed you with my almighty presence

[cursive magnet]

ayyy lmao

[hidden heath]

dgday mate

[sweet stirrup]

str8 goated

[late walrus]

why am i playing black ops zombies

every fucking team coming in waves

[hidden heath]

what a BOAT Play

[late walrus]

kill 1 team there is another

kill next team there is another

give me a BREAK man

[sweet stirrup]

I reckon you should take a break

get addicted to wow

[hidden heath]

yeah i reckon

[sweet stirrup]

do it, you wont.

[hidden heath]

yeah nah yeah yeah nah OCE deffinatley does not have ping limit issues.....

[sweet stirrup]

I like and support this comment. If this was x, I would repost quote it

[whole furnace]

15 players lobbies are back lmao :V

[cursive magnet]

Sounds like you're playing duos

[late walrus]

im not

[cursive magnet]

Then it's just three enemy teams, don't see the issue

Gotta be incredibly unlucky to have them all at the same place at the same time

[empty eagle]

What is a BOAT play?

[cursive magnet]

best of all time

idk

[rocky citrus]

Why can PUBG achieve excellent optimization and decent graphics, while Hunt can't?🤔

[cursive magnet]

i don't have buoyancy

pubg? decent graphics? excellent optimization? wut

[hollow crescent]

it is kind of an issue when they're going in back to back and you don't get to breathe and recover from the last fight

[whole furnace]

What

PUBG looks good now?

[hollow crescent]

PUBG

excellent optimization and graphics

lol, lmao even

[latent dagger]

why deos the game crush sm ? is there a fix ?

[whole furnace]

PUBG on PC 4 months ago

[winged sonnet]

So did anybody tried the bot catcher?

does it work?

[rocky citrus]

Yes, it's just that it's not as realistic and radical as HUNT in terms of art style and polygon count.

[cursive magnet]

pubg still looks like the cobbled together unreal engine store asset crap it always has been

[whole furnace]

Sorry, but this looks bad.

[cursive magnet]

I played that shit in early access and it looked awful even back then

[lavish bear]

Cap

[rocky citrus]

PUBG is reportedly about to be upgraded to Unreal Engine 5, which will improve the game's graphics.

[cursive magnet]

I want the hive bomb badge

but oh my god

[whole furnace]

Still doesn't solve the issue that the game just looks like assests set on a "flat plane".
This is max settings btw

[cursive magnet]

The thing does like 20 damage at most

[cursive magnet]

still unreal engine tho

[hollow crescent]

well, you take 4, you go into clash, and you just chuck all of them at the nearest firefight

[whole furnace]

Empty hills, little to no foliage, unnatural "naked" trees.

And it is fine, it servers a purpose

[cursive magnet]

That's what i've been doing and i tossed three at a poor lady and she meleed them all

came out with 13 more damage

[whole furnace]

But you ain't playing PUBG for the looks.

[rocky citrus]

Since HUNT can only use AMD FSR when the GPU does not support DLSS, there is a serious problem with using this: the image cannot be rendered in real time with the super resolution, resulting in severe ghosting and pixelation when the screen is moving.🤔 In other words, the image will become blurry.

[cursive magnet]

To be fair it used to look a little better (but still bad) on max graphics, but they turned that WAY down for esports

[hollow crescent]

also the fact the game's art direction is borderline non-existent

it's literally just fortnite on a budget

[whole furnace]

Yeah, but saying Hunt looks bad compared to that is borderline deranged lol

[hollow crescent]

^

[whole furnace]

Fortnite before fornite???
More just the fact it is a standalone version of a ARMA mod.

[whole furnace]

Hunt does support DLSS?

@mortal cove I summon you

[hollow crescent]

it's mainly the cosmetics I'm talking about

like, you have a pink sniper rifle, a day of the dead themed helmet, and a fucking futuristic AK

[whole furnace]

I refuse to have spent HOURS talking about that shit just for someone saying DLSS doesn't exists lmao

[light sky]

They mean when the GPU doesn't support DLSS

Aka

AMD

[rocky citrus]

I understand what you mean; you mean the texture quality and polygon count are significantly inferior to HUNT.
However, the game's optimization is significantly better than the current HUNT. HUNT, currently using AMD FSR, still suffers from blurry graphics.

[cursive magnet]

Yeah, PLAYERUNKNOWN just made his own game after having great success with his Battle Royale in three games, he quickly tossed together unreal engine assets in.. well unreal engine, earned a fat wad of cash and dipped

[whole furnace]

Aaaah yeah, the PUBG crossovers always feels so surreal

[hidden heath]

Only the greatest gaming trio on youtube

[whole furnace]

What do you mean it currently only use AMD FSR?

[whole furnace]

Eyup!

[cursive magnet]

tbf pubg was probably one of the best gaming experiences ive had when it released

[rocky citrus]

no

[cursive magnet]

it looked like shit, played somewhat well, and was fun as it was the first game to ever bring my favourite arma gamemode away from armas clunky gameplay

[whole furnace]

You cannot just "no" my question lmao

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/gfecnt/20248/geforce-game-ready-driver-dlss-hunt-showdown/
But like Hunt can use DLSS??

[sweet stirrup]

why are you guys talking about pubg in hunt general? take it to #off-topic lol

[cursive magnet]

or don't use upscaling at all

of course it's gonna look like crap

[whole furnace]

[cursive magnet]

It's like taking a coca cola and adding water to it to make more coca cola

[light sky]

Hunt doesn't need upscaling to look good

Lol

[hollow crescent]

well when half of the conversation is comparing hunt's graphics and optimization to PUBG, it belongs here

[whole furnace]

The infinte cola hack!

[tidal haven]

why are you guys talking about pubg in hunt general? take it to ⁠Off Topic lol

[whole furnace]

Bc we talking about graphics in Hunt and how it compares to PUBG and what features Hunt/PUBG have/have not :)

[tidal haven]

talk about the Pubg parts in off topic and the Hunt parts here

duh

[whole furnace]

And use #media as the mediator, like a carrier pigeon

[tidal haven]

[rocky citrus]

In terms of optimization, PUBG does indeed favor lower-end graphics cards; at least it doesn't produce blurry images.

Strangely, even with AMD FSR disabled, HUNT's image is still somewhat blurry, but with AMD FSR enabled, you have to select the native AA mode to get a clear image. In other words, you can't use "quality mode".

[whole furnace]

That can be due to your choice of AA :)

[cursive magnet]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about, hunt is crisp as hell on my end

[dense sleet]

i use native 1440P it runs buttery smooth and i dont have a crazy rig

FSR/DLSS will always have ab lur, thats just what it does

AA can help with that, but it wont remove it entirely

[royal cloak]

#MuteRysko

[wary flower]

Before every lobby got filled with bots and the sweatlords who don't let you enjoy the game after you spend 20 minutos looting it was fun

Gaming just as gotten too competitive in the last 10-15 years

Gotta be cracked or you can't enjoy it

[cursive magnet]

It was playable for a year, then the casuals dropped it and you were left with sweats and cheaters as the game didn't really have a good anti cheat at all

Also ever since PLAYERUNKNOWN sold it to Tencent, it became giga trash anyway

[wary flower]

I remember when sucking at an fps was ok and you only really won if you deserved it but it was still enjoyable it either way because there were other people that sucked too so you could have some fun

Now everything has to have a refined matchmaking system that puts crazy good people against eachother and noobs in their own little kindergarden

Don't get me wrong, some games def benefit from it, Hunt being one of them

[unique trail]

I got a hunter slot from daily dark tribute

I have 13 now

[whole furnace]

Hell yeah, only 18 more and your Hunt game have paid itself back (+/-)

[hollow crescent]

goes into clash with double concertina bow and multiple concertina bombs

gets mogged anyway and lose bounty to serpent

early morning asia clash is truly something else istg

[spark plaza]

amogus¿

[remote moss]

i dont really think thats fixable in any style of multiplayer fps game

[modern pebble]

i dont think ur face is fixable

[remote moss]

hunts been getting better for more normal players and it hides the issue of unbalanced games in solos, where any middling skill player can farm players worse than them. its not balancable because normal players playing solo would have an even worse time

[modern pebble]

bad take

[left orbit]

fully team mako levering explosive

i’ve been disintegrated

[remote moss]

nah, solo is comfy to play and it always will be, but only if you pass a certain level of skill

its by far one of the easiest and bvoring experiences ive ever had playing as solo

[modern pebble]

no

[remote moss]

Fuck yeah.

[modern pebble]

look

people will cry about solos all the time

[remote moss]

mako explo levering is fundamentally broken and theyll never fix it

[modern pebble]

but then u go in a hornet stream

he gets dogged on 24 times

then gets one epic win for the highlight compilation

[remote moss]

hornets fault for climbing too hard, fr fr

[left orbit]

we hatin’ on solos rn?

[hollow crescent]

*If you're only dogging on 2-3 stars or KD farming

[remote moss]

i dont get any of those fucking games when im in solo, when i die in solo its cause i deliberately went and screwed up by greeding, not because its fundamentaly hard

[gleaming perch]

man, burning has always been so easy. idk why they had to make it even easier. it just magnifies the instaburn crap that's always been in this game. ppl just camp around for the first kill so they can get an easy second kill on the partner by burning

[left orbit]

people hatin’ on solos coz they can’t kill a single dude?

[whole furnace]

Yes >:)

[remote moss]

nah, most solos get to farm in the 4-5 star range

[whole furnace]

Bwahahaha

[remote moss]

even if youre high 6 star, you get to farm a lot of low 6 star players

[gleaming perch]

i can wipe teams fine without burning. i wish others weren't so boring and needed to instaburn

[remote moss]

then it starts to get shit when youre playing on off hours and have to fight premades

[late walrus]

teammate died to maynard silencer while we were fighting a team

we kill last 2 on that team who had maynard silencers

[left orbit]

haven’t had any issue with current burning speed

[late walrus]

end of match team details

[hollow crescent]

it's almost like it's an effective way to give you pressure so you're forced to make a move or something

[left orbit]

it was extremely bs with 2.0 but not anymore

[late walrus]

the guy who sniped him wasnt a part of the team we were fighting

just alot of maynard silencers in the lobby

[remote moss]

all im saying is, instaburn doesnt really do anything except force a redskull. players who wanna hide still hide

[late walrus]

davy someone crouch walked over to us with shadow and threw a hammer at my teammate and then started giggling over voip

[remote moss]

then youre down a teammate until you go for bounty fight at a 2v3

[shut forum]

that game literaly everyone was running

[remote moss]

funny fucker

[shut forum]

shit was wild

[hollow crescent]

actually diabolical

[shut forum]

first team guy lets his teammate burn out and runs a marathon

second team dosnt even show up till 20min in

third team just killed me once and dissapeared

like

W hunt

[late walrus]

he was thanking him for the hammer throw kill

and then got cut off by a big bundle and died

[rocky citrus]

All right

[hollow crescent]

lmao

[left orbit]

yet another stream thinking he’s funny on voip

thoroughly got my quad derringer planted deeply in his right brain

[sweet stirrup]

Fair call lad, fair call

[left orbit]

finishing glaze delivered by hammer

[spice knoll]

Shi is blurry for me too, good fps tho

[pseudo dagger]

same

[left orbit]

DLSS and FSR are just marketing techs meant to sell GPU to fund AI development and beta test AI chips with customers buying the beta test

that’s a lot of beta test and broken english

and i’m not sorry for that.

[whole furnace]

Basically, we have hit the Moore's law of GPUs

So we cannot really advance graphical fidelity anymore without using upscaling tricks

[left orbit]

and peak developer churn who cannot do proper optimizations

[mortal cove]

That's just wrong lmao

[dry hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/parkenev-jack-black-dlss-5-flint-and-steel-i-am-steve-gif-11987971698789861165

[mortal cove]

That's also wrong

But we have hit a scalability wall on rasterization

[whole furnace]

Now you are here

[left orbit]

i knew i’d invoke Luu

HELL YEAH MCCREE

[modern pebble]

who is moore

[left orbit]

a dude who said bs to sell CPUs

[mortal cove]

Hence why the industry is slowly transitioning to realtime RT as the new baseline

[whole furnace]

And I know I was wrong, just couldn't remember the right words hence "Moore's law of GPUs"

[mortal cove]

Adam Moore, one of the literal fucking founders of Intel and one of the inventors of the X86 codebase lmao

[whole furnace]

Gordon Moore

[left orbit]

yeah

[whole furnace]

wrong! :V

[left orbit]

still marketing bs

[mortal cove]

Gordon Moore*

[whole furnace]

eheheheheh

[mortal cove]

But yes

[whole furnace]

My turn uwu

[dry hawk]

moore pp in your mouth

[mortal cove]

Well ehm no lmao

Moores Law still holds up unironically

[dry hawk]

i cant say the other word, bot didnt let me send it

[mortal cove]

It just got very expensive to do so

[left orbit]

it’s not a law

it’s marketing

[mortal cove]

It was a prediction

Not marketing

And the prediction held up

Still does

It just got expensive

Given we are battling the literal laws of physics at this point to keep on shrinking silicon based transistors

[whole furnace]

And diminishing returns

[mortal cove]

Weeeellllllll..... idk

[whole furnace]

More like, the progress we makes are smaller and smaller

[mortal cove]

Not really

The progress got expensive

[whole furnace]

Recall the first prediction scaling said the end of the line would be 2015'ish

[mortal cove]

But it is keeping on

[whole furnace]

But we are still going on

[mortal cove]

That was because we hit a brickwall on Mosfets

Then FinFet was introduced and scaling kept going

[whole furnace]

20 μm – 1968
10 μm – 1971
6 μm – 1974
3 μm – 1977
1.5 μm – 1981
1 μm – 1984
800 nm – 1987
600 nm – 1990
350 nm – 1993
250 nm – 1996
180 nm – 1999
130 nm – 2001
90 nm – 2003
65 nm – 2005
45 nm – 2007
32 nm – 2009
28 nm – 2010
22 nm – 2012
14 nm – 2014
10 nm – 2016
7 nm – 2018
5 nm – 2020
3 nm – 2022
2 nm – 2025

[mortal cove]

Now we hit a brickwall on Finfet again at 3 - 4nm

Hence why the industry is transitioning to GAAFet

[whole furnace]

And projected we hit 1 nm around 2027

[whole furnace]

I am not that much up to date on such :)

[mortal cove]

A reminder at this point that the node naming and the actual transistor's gate size decoupled ~3µm lmao

The gate pitch on 7nm is like 35nm in reality

We know this thanks to Fritzchen Fritz analysing a 7nm TSMC Zen 2 part with a CT Scan

And Wikichips documenting his findings

[left orbit]

it’s all marketing bs

[mortal cove]

Well no, the logic wiring on 7nm is 7nm thick

So it still has some attachment to reality

[left orbit]

(and i say because i, in fact, haven’t been knowing anything about the tech for the last 15 years, and i’m just punching your guts so that we can be blessed by your holy knowledgeable vomit)

(and it works beautifully)

(and it’s 5am and should be in bed eeping)

[mortal cove]

Here to the curse of knowledge that you can't analyze silicon even with an electron microscope, because visible light is too low frequency to light a transistor

[left orbit]

then do it with invisible light

problem solved

ez

[mortal cove]

Hence why you use a CT Scan

Ye

[left orbit]

CT scan? iz fancy word to say "we blast the shit with gamma rays sourced from quasars"?

ah just x-rays

disappointing.

[uneven flax]

Nah the smaller transistors you have the more transistors you can cram in a cpu. Which essentially means more brains on the cpu

Smaller nodes also require less voltage, so they are more efficient

[left orbit]

you should read my latest messages

[mortal cove]

A smarter, less ionising way to do Xrays xd

[whole furnace]

If gpus are so great where are gpu 2?

[uneven flax]

CT scan is what game makers do to make real life urban maps of their games

[mortal cove]

Upscaling has existed before DLSS and FSR

To also make that clear

If you've played games on the PS1, you have gotten the privilege of primitive upscaling xd

The upscaling techniques have simply gotten better overtime

DLSS, FSR, PSSR, XeSS and co. being Matrix compute accelerated temporal upscalers.

Epic's TSR is also that kind of temporal upscaler, but for some god forsaken reason Epic does it on GPU shaders, making it the by far most costly option

[uneven flax]

Luu with a second monitor googling all these to keep washing our brains

[mortal cove]

I don't actually enjoy having cognitive debt So no

[whole furnace]

You got the "calc" meme playing in my head lol

[mortal cove]

Brother

Stretched

In 2026

[late walrus]

hes freaky

[shut forum]

[mortal cove]

[shut forum]

a lot of things iin 2026

[mortal cove]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Grittv-western-tombstone-film-TbXf9JHT3ex1rIMPKi

[left orbit]

derender abuser

imagine playing in Low

sub-low

5am just arrived. need to eep and stop typing on that keyboard that sounds so good.

[uneven flax]

Playing on 16:4

[left orbit]

i just need 1 pixel

green -> move forward
red -> shoot

de-scaling since 2010

[atomic coral]

You rang? #hunt-general message

[uneven flax]

You play in 99:9

[atomic coral]

Just 32:9

[late walrus]

W kits

[uneven flax]

i have no idea why people even waste time on such loadouts

the penny derringer itself is more expensive than a springfield dumdum

[late walrus]

its not even an expensive kit

i just running clash with a pistol and katana cause its funny

pennyringer for doors

[uneven flax]

yeah but if they're cheaping out why penny, a full sized recovery shot and an ammo box for a medium ammo

oh wait it's you

and for claash

thought it's BH

[late walrus]

not cheaping out

just running stupid shit

[uneven flax]

because lots of 3-5* in Asia be playing like that tbh in BH

[late walrus]

if i wanted to cheap out i would run winfield

pax trueshot hv is actually like

180 or something

[uneven flax]

ive seen memer loadouts in bounty hunt

clash is whatever though, that's the best mode to meme out and have fun

BH should be sweatfest

ah 2 days ago i came across a double cent shorty

watafa

[gleaming dove]

was one suppressed and the other not?

[fallow topaz]

That's a clever idea. Or one scoped or not

[jolly parcel]

Just end it at clash is the best mode

[short halo]

Except it isnt

[late walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/not-quite-my-tempo-whiplash-stop-it-stop-there-gif-16460604

[uneven flax]

lets just say i win more in clash than hunt nowadays

😭

dude im a 450 hour 4* wtf is going on here..

[upbeat lark]

I do better in clash than I do in hunt

For some reason I just hit more shots

[uneven flax]

maybe sample size

you just shoot more in clash thats why

[upbeat lark]

Possibly

[uneven flax]

in hunt getting killed without doing anything after running around for 10-15 mins is likely

[upbeat lark]

I have more opportunity to shoot

[uneven flax]

with vulture clash is just about the same rewards as bounty hunt anyway

[echo ridge]

well i think clash is ALL about shooting

[uneven flax]

which speaks more about how terrible bounty hunt is rewards-wise

[echo ridge]

i catch myself doing Clash more then Bounty Hunt now day

feel more rewarding on a sucessfull extract

[upbeat lark]

My average session nowadays is clash for 1 to 1 and a half and hunt for the rest

[uneven flax]

esp if it's just free hunters youre running

long ammo also less important in clash

so compact retains better chances

[echo ridge]

true

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-scream-lizard-scream-tom-lizard-gif-2552388425461261498

[upbeat lark]

It's quite fun to just run around with a Romero looking for trouble

[hollow crescent]

alamo uppercut gaming

[visual dune]

YEY

[buoyant jay]

add ray gun to hunt showdown or else game dies

[timber cosmos]

Truth nuke

[short halo]

Havent you been in this server at all?
Game's already dead according to some

[celest wharf]

lol

dead game

thats why i can find a match within a minute everysingle time i queue up

[upbeat lark]

game isnt that dead to me

longest time for me to get a match is like 2m

unlike another dead game i have played

fuken 12m matchmaking

[whole furnace]

Tarky ain't even a dead game and have queues up to 15min

Also I am old

And I will complain

But people nowadays are so entitled in that regard.

Old school wow, it could take 30 min to find a dungeon party.
And in weekdays basically impossible after 21:00

Now people will be complaining about having to have 5-10 min queues while playing 3 in the morning on a Tuesday

[ancient cave]

everytime I wanna do a ffxiv duty in the evening I'm waiting like an hour

[shut forum]

since the matchmaking change tarkov has actually pretty fast matching. the longest part is usualy waiting for others

[whole furnace]

Damn, no longer a streamer game 👊😔

[late walrus]

yeah you get sub minute matching now if youre on a populated region

[whole furnace]

Also Tarky is dead, it getting casual

[late walrus]

but also like

you can load into raids 10 seconds late or more

which just gets you killed on shit like labs

gg

[whole furnace]

For instance, insurance is being changed, and you’ll get your assets back sooner after death. Hideout progression is being tweaked so it’s easier early on, getting gradually tougher as time goes on. Beginner players will be offered ‘expanded support packs’ when they start playing, giving them free equipment drops they can stack in their stash.
Where were you the day Tarky died? 👊😔

s being oppressed again by the casuals 😔

[still totem]

I remember the days of everyone saying “dead game” about Apex and here we are years later and it’s still going

[whole furnace]

Casual enough to always have a new pool of fresh meat

The one I don't get is DBD

god

People

Just move on

[still totem]

True, they expanded their game to Japan recently and player count took off again

I couldn’t get into DBD

I think I bought it and wanted to try it but I saw so much about the game that I did not want to play it lol

[whole furnace]

I saw the gameplay on release and thought "ain't that just deeply flawed design?"

And think that have been the note the community have been singing since then

[still totem]

It reminded me of Evolve

God I loved that game

So much

And it crashed and burned thanks to the blatant overmonitization

[whole furnace]

Honestly Evolve had a shot of being great, but s were so vile back then (still are, but less so) and just didn't give it a chance.
And ofc Evolve tried to monetize how modern games does, but back then people actually said no.

[still totem]

I loved being the monster

Goliath was my favorite

[whole furnace]

It have flaws in the overall gameplay, but they did make up for some of it.

[still totem]

I remember going to PAX South when they first introduced the game, it was so cool to see it

[whole furnace]

But it was just a time where MTX and multiplayer online games weren't accepted.

[still totem]

I know they tried to make it free to play to save the game but it was too late

[whole furnace]

Yeeee

Just 5 years too early for the market

[still totem]

It was hard to balance once the monster got to lvl3

But yeah I think Evolve would have had a better chance now

[whole furnace]

That and, well, very few people actually wanna hunt.
So 90% of the game was running around was a major flaw.

Same complaints we see in Hunt

[still totem]

I was good at hiding as the monster, I’d get to level 2 far off enough and level up my fire breathing and rock toss since both did AoE

[whole furnace]

"Running simulator" brother in christ, that is the point of a sandbox

[still totem]

Rarely did I lose unless the Hunters were very coordinated (which wasn’t often)

Like Hunt at least after the lobby is clear you run around either to leave or look for registers and cash

[whole furnace]

Honestly, I am SO sad that Predator: Hunting Grounds committed to two major mistakes.

[still totem]

But still that’s the points, the game doesn’t hand you much

Oh yeah I completely forgot about that one

Did that die too? I assume so

[whole furnace]

Bc Predator: Hunting Grounds solved Evolves issue

[whole furnace]

Released as an epic exclusive, so yeah.
But besides that, it was balanced around 15 min rounds which just missed the whole "jungle warfare hunter/prey" tempo.

And finally, less of an issue, but still, only one map on release.

[celest wharf]

ive been shot before with handgun incendiary before and it hasnt set me on fire without multiple shots, is this ammo type for weenies?

[still totem]

Only one map? Boooo

[whole furnace]

Yes, so spicy bullet works like this:
They instant burn within their bullets effective range, so 20m for compact, 30m for medium and 40m for long ammo.
But also, people having salveskin needs to be 2-tapped no matter what.

[whole furnace]

The way it was structured was not all bad, you did basically play on 1/4th of the map every mission, so akin to hunt in that regard, but sure didn't help overall.

If it weren't for the epic exclusive and 15 min gameplay format, I am sure it would have found an audience even with one map

[still totem]

Probably

Oh well, maybe something will come out again like it

I like big monster games

[fallow arch]

i wish they made a tarkov game that what was good

oh wait here i am

[still totem]

I’ll tell you one game that I wish they’d bring back: Mech Assault from the original Xbox, my dad and I would play that together online for hours. Simple fun, big robots blowing each other up

[whole furnace]

Seems like predator hunting grounds still gets dlc and had a small peak of players back in February

[still totem]

Really? Interesting, too bad I swore off Epic games after my account got hacked twice in like 20 minutes. I changed my pw, removed my credit card, and uninstalled

[whole furnace]

I mean the peak was 458 and now the concurrent is lime 75 people lol

[still totem]

Awww

[upbeat lark]

i belive that so long as they have char on their bar it will burn with a single shot

[whole furnace]

Yeah, but Beautiful Light gonna have a La Creatura mode!

[still totem]

Is that a new game?

I seem to be out of touch with modern gaming news lately

[short halo]

It's been in development for a while and they've had a few playtests

[whole furnace]

Still in closed alpha, but they have been going for some time and I've heard amazing stuff about from playtesters. Very Hunt adjacent with a lot of its systems

[short halo]

Psycho has some vids on it

[raven totem]

I played in one of them

it had promise, idk the whole extraction scene is changing rapidly right now. wonder how they're doing

[uneven flax]

Oh shit yeah from description alone it looks like a hunt style extraction game

[jolly parcel]

@short halo clash is best mode

[short halo]

Sure, right behing BH

[jolly parcel]

bounty hclash is a weird way to spell it but alright

[pulsar creek]

I do prefer hunt over clash i wont lie
I like the longer aspect of it, even tho I much prefer fast paced shooters

and I do love when I can style on my friends by just tracking enemies down thanks to the newest few updates that makes it really easy to tell if a person has been through a compound

[whole furnace]

Clash could be a fun sidemode, but it ain't

So BH all the way

[random nimbus]

[pulsar creek]

BC is fun tho
I love running a dingy Calvary sword and screaming "CHARGE" at the nearest ruffian

[dry hawk]

clash is fun when you bring two friends and do dumb shit

[pulsar creek]

just so dumb shit, period
even if solo

[dry hawk]

i do respect clash as its own gamemode

[whole furnace]

Dunno, shotgun gameplay is easily the weakest part of Hunt for me. So don't really enjoy auto5 and Romeros

At least fragbow spam ain't a thing in that mode

Anymore

[pulsar creek]

oh yeah, I dislike shotguns
I much prefer just bringing a fuckin
revolver and sword

it funny :3

k off to head to work

buhbye

[urban steppe]

no, it is for gigachads who want to pretend they are stormtroopers

shooting red laser beams at people

[dry hawk]

replaced with concertina spam

i dont mind shotgunfest, but shotgunfest + barbed wire on every entrance is the fastest way to get me to extract

[whole furnace]

Lol really?

[dry hawk]

oh yea

[whole furnace]

Gj crytek

[uneven flax]

If clash has fair equipments it would be fun

[dry hawk]

one time my friends and i nabbed the bounty and some team concertina'd us in and we just left when they fought someone else

[whole furnace]

Also not relevant question: how long should someone be playing a game to expect special treatment in form of discount for new stuff and such?

[uneven flax]

1 billion hours

[whole furnace]

Thanks it have been noted down.

[fringe cloak]

at least to the point of getting all the DLC 😭

im already missing that discount with owning all the DLC and using the collecters bundle

[whole furnace]

Mhm mhm

[fringe cloak]

i did literally just now polish off my collection and buy everything i was missing from the shop

so i own everything in the shop and all the DLCs

should i expect discounts? maybe not...

would be nice though

[whole furnace]

I ain't that in hurry, I just wait for sales and pick something up ever now and then

[ebon wyvern]

When's a good time to come back to the game?

[frigid ibex]

Now

[ebon wyvern]

I miss it. It just got WILD for a while.

[fringe cloak]

yeah thats what i been doing for a bit since i havent actively played in a while due to a couple of reasons

[frigid ibex]

Hop on

[ebon wyvern]

You're right. Perhaps I will.

[whole furnace]

But honestly atm the biggest detractor for getting more skins and dlcs is simply the fact I never gonna use them all as long I don't have a skin randomizer.

[fringe cloak]

very true

it is an issue i have too

[whole furnace]

And I just get the "time gated" stuff such as storylines

[fringe cloak]

i bought all of them but im still not done them as of now

i do like that they dont disapear once you get them

[whole furnace]

I just need to do one

Me too

[fringe cloak]

which one?

[whole furnace]

Latest free one

Using uppercut? Lmao

[fringe cloak]

ohhh i seee

3k damage is a lot i dont blame you

[whole furnace]

I just don't care to play Uppercut

[fringe cloak]

its fun from time to time but i like other secondaries a lot more

[whole furnace]

I grinded Henry to lvl 10, so 3k damage is nothing

[fringe cloak]

fair enough

[whole furnace]

Also doing money grind for the damn badge

450k atm

[fringe cloak]

guhhhhh

[turbid dock]

Probably never 🧐

[fringe cloak]

i wanna do that one so bad but im working on p100

[late walrus]

yeah

im doing p100 and then doing millionaire

at p52 now

[whole furnace]

Ofc right when I stop prestiging and need money, Crytek revert the spawn rates on pledge cash/exp lmao

You guys are lucky

Bc exp is all over again

I had to deal with the drought

[late walrus]

id get exp anyway im the goat

now watch me miss an entire terminus

sheeeesh

[turbid dock]

Registers are slightly more rare but there are still matches with 2-3 of them, and vulture is still insane profits

[whole furnace]

One would think that would be the reasonable take lol

[whole furnace]

Pledge cash is DOWN

Often have games with none

[turbid dock]

Yeah

They don't seem to spawn at regular supplies anymore, but special supplies, towers, and armories still seem to carry them at the same-ish rates

[whole furnace]

Even the towers are much lower.

But I think it is fine

Bc old rates were stupid

[turbid dock]

Yeah

[fringe cloak]

damn i keep thinking about the fact that im still missing that stupid other tribute hunter

[whole furnace]

But circus gonna return, it usually had one static

[frigid ibex]

The amount of pledge registers were dumb

Just casually getting 4 without even putting an effort

[late walrus]

huh? i find them almost every match

theyre on every postal cart

[turbid dock]

PSA to the cashmaxxers, don't forget about the armories at stillwater bend, wolfshead, and ash creek! Big money to be made there, not just the mines

[fringe cloak]

i dont think i ever took enough advantage of that

[frigid ibex]

They were just in my path

Same thing on way to extract

They also made pledgemarks topped off all the time

Think there needs to be a balance there

[turbid dock]

Yeah the pledge envelopes, god damn

[frigid ibex]

They add a system and then give too much of it

So the system basically doesn't exist/fulfill its purpose

[jolly parcel]

i usually just win if i want to make money

[turbid dock]

Amateur

Winning is only step 1

[frigid ibex]

That's usually the requirements

[turbid dock]

After that there are 17 more steps

To be a true cashmaxxer

[jolly parcel]

im going to play on hard mode

no hud and 30fps

[turbid dock]

No hud is really fun

[frigid ibex]

Motion blur

[jolly parcel]

say less

[turbid dock]

I don't mess with lower framerates or graphics settings or whatever but no hud is genuinely interesting

[frigid ibex]

No meds, healing is softcore

[turbid dock]

So true

[urban steppe]

Is derender abuse becoming more wide spread

2nd time today I got headshot through a closed window

[frigid ibex]

Were you behind a closed window

[river slate]

It's always been abused

You know what is a workaround for this?

[urban steppe]

yeah, I wasn't even directly behind it

[river slate]

Dont sit behind redenderable objects

[frigid ibex]

Your monster greed is out of this world

Leave some for us

[urban steppe]

yeah, I'm just going to avoid the big cone area around the window

[river slate]

Simple as that

[urban steppe]

this is why I hate mammons gulch

[river slate]

Every map has it

[urban steppe]

the devs thought they were cooking adding compounds with a billion angles to peak into

[urban steppe]

nah mammons is the biggest offender

[frigid ibex]

Mammons barely have any penetrable compounds

[urban steppe]

most windows per compound

[river slate]

It's not just windows

[frigid ibex]

Double metal stone and brick

Most of the compounds

[raven totem]

it's quite the bump up from slightly

[urban steppe]

most windows and doorways per compound

[raven totem]

not that I'm for or against, I don't care, but they nerfed registers pretty substantually

[urban steppe]

yeah which is why I hate that map in particular

[pliant cobalt]

is there anyway to check my stars, used to js show in the lobby but havent played since lol

[frigid ibex]

Same

[turbid dock]

Also means more angles to peak out of, few peeking spots is a disadvantage for defenders

[frigid ibex]

After match in team details

[raven totem]

post game results

[turbid dock]

I quite like the compound design in the gulch

[raven totem]

I do as well

[pliant cobalt]

ohhh fire thanks

[frigid ibex]

I like the increased entry points to bounty lairs

[raven totem]

crytek flipping it on wallbangs is annoying though

[frigid ibex]

But that'd about it

[urban steppe]

that logic doesn't apply because 99% of the time you can hear them rotating inside the compound due to all the garbage on the floor

[frigid ibex]

I don't like the anti wallbang development

[urban steppe]

its always going to be more advantageous for the attackers

easier rotations

the insides of the compounds are what
metal esp on mammons

[frigid ibex]

The recent reworks to older maps have included more double metal walls to some compounds

[urban steppe]

you aren't peaking from a diff angle without them hearing your feet

[urban steppe]

Have fun "rotating" indoors on machine gulch lmao

[turbid dock]

Played a match today where my trio got completely obliterated by this one 6*, we all got insta headshotted so fast while peeking decently unpredictable spots that i thought he was kinda sus but the profile was really normal and i remembered that people have days where they're locked in and lucky

[urban steppe]

You can't tell me with a straight face that the guys defending indoors got the advantage cause they got more holes to shoot from when accessing said holes requires you to waddle across metal plating

[urban steppe]

mammons compounds can't be wallbanged at all most the time

there's only a select few with actual wooden walls

mind you, this implies someone isn't crouched behind some metal decoration LOL

[turbid dock]

Ngl, I am choosing to not bother with responding because the gulch compounds are just infinitely more fun than most compounds on the old maps in my empirical experience, both to attack and defend

[compact lance]

i am sure some specific spots called for changes, but i feel like making wallbangs less prevalent is hurting the image of the game

[compact lance]

don't forget the penetration damage nerfs

[urban steppe]

mammons is not more fun imo

You got your basement compound (greystone)
you got your prison analog (gasworks)

90% of the compounds are plated with metal or have multi layer walls reducing wallbangs

[turbid dock]

Greystone is so much more varied and interesting than something like pitching or the stillwater basement tho

[compact lance]

i have to agree

[urban steppe]

The devs did not learn anything when it comes to designing the most unfun compounds to assault from the previous maps

the fact we got another basement

🤔

and what prison 3.0

with 2 layers of walls

[frigid ibex]

Did you guys play bow by any chance

[compact lance]

gasworks prison analog does feel a little better than the actual prison

[urban steppe]

if I see gasworks I just extract

same for greystone and grizzly

[turbid dock]

I had a bow but didn't use it, only used the wildland

[frigid ibex]

Gasworks might be the worst compounds for me

[turbid dock]

No other bows

[frigid ibex]

Checks out. Bow doomed you

Increased headshot modifier on your team

[urban steppe]

Brick outter wall
metal inner wall

[turbid dock]

True

[compact lance]

and the fumes from the glue used to make it made their vision fuzzy

[urban steppe]

Options to attack are vaults (trapped 99% of the time lmao)

or
ladders (have fun getting shot while climbing)
or
pushing up metal stairs

Even if you try to feint a push on the ground floor metal doors

[turbid dock]

Gasworks is pretty meh, I don't really like 2fort compounds

[urban steppe]

some dude hiding in the inner area of the compound is just going to use polter to close said door

while you can't hit them from behind 2 layers of walls

[turbid dock]

Carmick, port reeker, and gasworks are all 2fort compounds that produce more stalemates than any other compound in my experience

Ok reeker is 3fort

[urban steppe]

open the metal door and make noise --> get blasted by shotgun mcgee

or

Preemptively open said metal door and don't push --> they use polter to close it

[urban steppe]

except reeker is like 99% wood

you aren't fighting some dude with a shotty hiding behind 2 layers of walls that can't be penned

[turbid dock]

It is, but reeker also has probably the most lethal no man's land between the forts

[frigid ibex]

I don't mind reeker

Fort is buns though. If the bounty team choose to hole up and just trap every entrance and wait

[compact lance]

bot catcher 1896 🤔

[frigid ibex]

No it's 2026

[turbid dock]

Carmick could probably use a couple more bridges from the walls to the forts

And maybe the western wall should be usable

[frigid ibex]

Just add more holes to the wall, makes it feel more genuine

[compact lance]

add catacombs underneath the fort 👍

[frigid ibex]

Wall of the main lair

[turbid dock]

Basement entrances would be nice

[compact lance]

nah just one hole with a long ladder in the lair

[turbid dock]

Lmao

[compact lance]

i would like to see changes on the northern side of the wall

[turbid dock]

Brickworks isnt even 2fort, it's just 1fort

[compact lance]

yea, it just has some crumbs on the side

[turbid dock]

After some contemplation i think oro gordo is my favorite compound to fight in

That shit is so peak

[frigid ibex]

I mean those are sad in other events. Like when there's all teams in that one compound and everyone is camping one corner.

That's when I feel like the north side is buns

[turbid dock]

They cooked so hard when they added a mine entrance

And its actually like 5 mine entrances

[compact lance]

mine is just the one i happen to run across enemies in that doesnt have a fort

[turbid dock]

True

As far as forts go, bolden is pretty nice

[urban steppe]

carmac or bolden

[uneven flax]

FUCK DOLCH

[remote moss]

bolden is annoying, its flat ground between roofs that 3rd parties camp so you cant easily push even if you try to get in the main compound from behind

[frigid ibex]

I like bolden

Anyone sane plays on the rooftops

[remote moss]

theyre good in one team vs one team, personally

[frigid ibex]

Bolden just makes everyone want to peek

Good character

[remote moss]

well

yeah

insta res safe peeks fr fr, more interactive than elsewhere

[frigid ibex]

Ok buddy that's more of an issue with main game

[remote moss]

i dont know if you remember the good old days but old 6 stars liked to hide in the main building for carmick with mosin and everyone just did nothing

i know, but im saying bolden is still pretty good compared to other dumps

[remote moss]

they didnt even really do roof peeks except to deny roof access

glad thats not common anymore

[frigid ibex]

Yeah I hate carmick

Camping is a tradition there

[remote moss]

then when you finally kill off enough people from a 3v3v3v3, theres a random shotgun guy just crouched somewhere

[frigid ibex]

And surrounding walls is easy campable to catch new teams

[remote moss]

good times, the vert power is fucking insane there

everywhere you push is a deathtrap

[frigid ibex]

And I hear often people love carmick

[remote moss]

maybe they like carmick because they consistently perform well because of playstyle reasons

which is perfectly understandable

but still, i agree with tearing down the inner walls and reworking the outer ones

[frigid ibex]

I need to lock in at work

[remote moss]

go do that, dude

[raven totem]

fort is so much easier to breach than reeker

reeker is shot in the ass central

[hidden heath]

actual

[sweet stirrup]

Does anyone experience a lot of cheaters in the game?

[raven totem]

in nae, no, just mainly giga sweat asses

[late walrus]

no

[sweet stirrup]

in OCE there are an insane amount of cheaters. Insane.

Aimbot and ESP

[hidden heath]

I feel like because teh OCE payer base is so small they dont outright ban cheaters otherwise the games will be empty

[short halo]

Without a vid (no names ofc) it's rather hard to believe cheater complaints since the average person calling cheater doesnt really know what constitutes cheating behavior, kills from 100s of meters away through buildings and ground aside of course
I have an entire wall of steam comments calling me cheater for example

[hidden heath]

Ping limits are also a huge problem in OCE

[sweet stirrup]

yes exactly that. Impossible shots. Its constant

[short halo]

I'm not even getting in to the ping abuse argument since it's not really helpful to the high ping users anyhow. Advantage from ping, as it's normally complained about, isnt a thing

[late walrus]

ttheres not even fucking players on oce

just go play asia or NA

[short halo]

Any vids or death views of it?
Have you been reporting them with aditional proof on the website?

[whole furnace]

Love how every gaming community loves to complain about cheaters like their game devs doesn't care.

Even tho you see the same fucking talking points in all multi-player games

[sweet stirrup]

Yes.

[sweet stirrup]

Certainly feels like they don't. Theres zero feedback after we report anyone for anything. How are we supposed to know anything is even happening?

https://tenor.com/d0Dv6Ow7DfT.gif

[short halo]

Knowing the outcome of reports doesnt really change anything
If anything it would likely lead to people complaining when nothing is done if there were no actual cheats involved since people know that whoever they reported is cheating

[sweet stirrup]

the math aint mathing

That makes no sense at all sir

[whole furnace]

It's a double edge sword, bc if someone is plain delusional and mass reports non-cheaters and gets no feedback bc of that. We gonna have people complaining about that too.

It is a cost/benefit situation with no true solution.

[short halo]

I'm saying that a large portion of the time people assume cheats when it's just normal gameplay

[hidden heath]

I think its find to have this view but I disagree. I believe if there is feedback (Even acknowledgment of investigation) builds trust with your players that there is active screaning going on

[short halo]

Just because someone who you didnt know was even around killed you or seemed to know where you were doesnt mean they're cheating

[hidden heath]

Still have ban waves so its harder for cheaters to adapt but feedback

[short halo]

They already give feedback to an extent with the occasional blog post about the anti cheat team

[hidden heath]

I agree but this is not always teh case and hard to prove/disprove

[sweet stirrup]

bro, get off the "cant tell its cheating". I get it. Yes some people cant tell. What I am telling you is that it doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of cheaters in hunt.

[uneven flax]

hunt players will say anything instead of GG or better luck next time

[short halo]

And I'm telling you that there are much less than you're assuming

[sweet stirrup]

How am I supposed to believe you. Are you in the team, or are you mod for discord?

[hidden heath]

Occasional being the word of choice here. No feedback that your own reports are being taken serious.
Just the Occasional post to teh community

[sweet stirrup]

true lol

[lyric berry]

Hunt uses Easy AC, of course there's cheaters LMAO

[uneven flax]

[lyric berry]

Anyway, I did the event so I'll see you Dumdums for the next one

[uneven flax]

road to milly

[raven totem]

I can tell you I've seen more blatently stupid vids of people calling cheats when there was than actual cheats

not saying cheaters don't exist because they do, but hunt des pretty well

[sweet stirrup]

I think your mod status should be reviewed. You engaged that conversation in a terrible way.

[sweet stirrup]

cool story bro

[sweet stirrup]

exactly, so why mention the other stuff. Are you daft?

[raven totem]

stay mad

[short halo]

There's a lot of games that use EAC. If it were that bad I doubt any dev would use them

[sweet stirrup]

im not mad, Im just trying to get my point acros

it seems like there are people here that lack comprehension of what I am saying

[uneven flax]

@sweet stirrup you literally just joined this server friend. I don't think telling people if they qualify as mod or not should be among your first words

[hidden heath]

To be fair alot of chocies dev teams are agasint but the leadership teams will force the direction

[raven totem]

I'm the intelligent one, and my point is unchallengable"

[short halo]

No, we get what you're saying, we just disagree with it

[raven totem]

you're all stupid doo doo heads

[hidden heath]

So this means easy ac does have its flaws nothing is perfect

[sweet stirrup]

bad.

[sweet stirrup]

I appreciate the comedic relief

[short halo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dude-yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-10470601

[sweet stirrup]

https://tenor.com/vsEAl8m7OV2.gif

[delicate jay]

I'm here conversating too

[raven totem]

idk, when I've been called a cheater a bunch and am in fact dog ass, there are a lot of questions

[sweet stirrup]

get in here

[uneven flax]

The cheat industry and the anti cheat industry is an endless war of attrition. It's just making new cheats and new anti cheats all the damn time

About the same as it is for piracy.

[whole furnace]

Me too

[uneven flax]

Anti cheat isn't a toggle ON or OFF

[delicate jay]

I'm coming

[golden lake]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eat-gif-6870775030264883930

[sweet stirrup]

I'm just waiting to speak to a manager here boss

[whole furnace]

"Rampant cheating" is industry wide, not a Hunt thing, not an EAC thing.
Thinking otherwise is being daft.

[sweet stirrup]

I think there are some distinctions to be made.

[raven totem]

ya, like oh a cheater vs, cheaters everywhere

[sweet stirrup]

I see Ari is having a good laugh probably

[raven totem]

sorry it's just a red flag at this point

[sweet stirrup]

mhmm

[delicate jay]

I'm just getting grab a coffee

[uneven flax]

Hunt is so vulnerable to cheat accusations, when it's just someone who is luckier than you, had better headsets or better gaming chair.

Seriously, Hunt involves a ton of extremely unfair fights if you're daft and can't recognize your own mistakes or misfortune you'd feel like half of the players are cheaters.

460 hours and felt like I was killed by a cheater once or twice

[whole furnace]

Let alone if you ain't in 6 star, you most likely ain't facing cheaters at all

[sweet stirrup]

rookie numbers lad. I have over 2000

Im not a new player. So chill. Stop talking to me like a child.

[uneven flax]

You think playing a game for 2000 hours makes you an adult

[sweet stirrup]

I get it. No one here wants to talk about the problem. Thats fine.

[uneven flax]

Also I didn't even insult you in any way

[sweet stirrup]

No, Im just trying to justify my position as someone that has played a lot of hunt.

[hidden heath]

I am floating around 5/6 stars and I can tell you there are 'suspicious' plays that happen. Iw ont say cheating 100% but deffinatley suspicious

[sweet stirrup]

@short halo I think you should talk to your team about how to handle these kinds of conversations. I feel like I'm in a reddit thread or something..

terrible response

[whole furnace]

Ofc, I've noticed it too, had a game as late as 2 days ago, where there were a player that just knew I was doing a wide rotate and then later did the same towards my team-mate.

[uneven flax]

It might feel like cheating but likely not even either. Everyone expects rotates and if you look and listen for it...

[hidden heath]

I think we can all agree tho that:

Shotguns = default cheaters

[uneven flax]

dolch

[whole furnace]

Naw, this one is very much in the sus category.

[short halo]

You mean my own personal opinions?
We dont get rid of them just because we bome a mod lol

[late walrus]

@hollow crescent

[hollow crescent]

son

[late walrus]

there is a difference between expecting a rotate and knowing exactly what rotate is being made lol

[hidden heath]

Fair enough lad, but you are representing a company in your current position. Your personal opinions should never be taken into consideration when dealing with reports and concerns from teh community

[late walrus]

cant really say whether or not its actually sus since we didnt experience it, but mccree doesnt really cope about cheating so

i trust him to identify when someone is “sus”

[sweet stirrup]

alright boys Im out. Have fun circle jerking each other into thinking there are no problems.

[sweet stirrup]

probably shouldnt be a mod with those personal opinions and agendas..

[late walrus]

foolish boy

[short halo]

You werent making a report. Thats what ModMail is for.
You just came into gen chat with a statement of "in OCE there are an insane amount of cheaters. Insane."

[short halo]

Lol ok, i'll take that under advisement

[sweet stirrup]

excuse me. I said that. Not him!

[short halo]

True, didnt look close enough at the names

[hidden heath]

Not me lad, no direct comment from me saying its bad in OCE. I wont say it does not exisits.

This discord is another way for players to interact with the company. I do think the way you have address the comments from others is of poor quality and it feels like personal feelings are clouding your responses

[turbid dock]

Throwback to dennis asking players to stop rage reporting

[whole furnace]

Yeah also it was far enough away sound was not a factor.
Pardon my weird scribbles, but we (blue) joined a fight (at the tower) between two teams (red and dark red).
A redneck from dark red starts shooting at us, bc I don't like triple stacking and the tower being the only cover, I ran backwards and then around the back.
There is plenty of visual cover and the dirtmound (which I've drawn on the map too), as soon I do the crossing from the dirt mound to the bridge, I get tagged.
Again ofc, he could be smart and anticipate the flank, but it was more him having to rotate around and holding that angle that seemed a little too good to be true :)

[uneven flax]

they aint employees.

[turbid dock]

Hunt being a game where information is a huge advantage is just naturally gonna produce situations that feel like someone is cheating, simply because of the info gap

You don't necessarily know what info you've given away

[hidden heath]

never said they were, but they are mods of an offical Hunt discord so representation is still a thing

[whole furnace]

Actually looking back at the footage, yes, I have visual cover, but I do think it might be a case on low foliage setting de-render :)))))

[uneven flax]

Sure. Close enough. What did Heathen even do to you guys? I've never seen them say anything wrong or demeaning. Unlike you.

So can you fucking not?

[short halo]

I do think the way you have address the comments from others is of poor quality and it feels like personal feelings are clouding your responses
For debating their opinions with my own? I havent insulted or belittled anyone so I fail to see why my comments would be of "poor quality"

[uneven flax]

Honestly not sure why you're even engaging with these fuckin trolls and ragebaiters. Maybe just mute them lmao

[turbid dock]

Mods! Mods! I have been killed in a match of Hunt: Showdown 1896! Surely there must be something you can do?

[uneven flax]

Oh no, what must I do in my super hardcore, super ratty, one tap headshot mega sandbox game!!

[whole furnace]

Sorry son, but you have a terminal case of skill issue, I'd recommend taking your time to say goodbye to your loved ones

[short halo]

Being mistaken (imo) isnt against any rules. As long as they dont spam, insult, or accuse other users then they're fine

[opal dawn]

If I die it's hacks or exploits, dang cheaters!

[uneven flax]

Pretty sure the moment they came here they're raining "You shouldn't be a mod" "Get a brain, sir" or something to that effect.

[whole furnace]

Hunt server would have like... 50 memembers if being wrong was a bannable offense lmao

[turbid dock]

Your first reaction when you die shouldn't be "wait that's sus, is this guy cheating?", it should be "ok what the fuck did i do wrong this time?"

[short halo]

Hmm, you're wrong. There would only be 48 ppl
Ban!

[uneven flax]

Surely a 5000-hour Hunt veteran like me can't die? How dare you introduce to me, such filthy, preposterous idea!!!

[hidden heath]

Lad, i have never said you insulted or belittled anyone. I am just saying how you have response in general to trolls or not trolls has me questioning your position as a mod.

[turbid dock]

At this point I have so many hours that I don't make mistakes anymore. I play perfectly. Only cheaters can manage the gargantuan task of killing me.

[uneven flax]

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[whole furnace]

Wouldn't that make it 47 people then?

[uneven flax]

all this sarcasm about 2 hours after i literally reported someone for cheating 😂 i got so tilted because my entire team was shotgunned from out of fuck all nowhere.

[turbid dock]

46 now that heathen gets banned

[turbid dock]

Yeah i had a cocky cheat accusation moment myself earlier today

I can look back at it and say that that's my bad for having an ego tho lmao

Emoji failure, laugh at this user

[short halo]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-disintegration-meme-ai-meme-funny-gif-5585270952676380091

[brazen vapor]

[turbid dock]

Now I'm fairly sure I was just on the receiving end of someone having a quick moment of being locked tf in

[sweet stirrup]

None of you are reacting in a decent manner. This is hilarious 😂

Just like reddit. Amazing.

[turbid dock]

What kind of reaction would you prefer

[uneven flax]

https://tenor.com/view/waterfalls-water-river-nature-calming-gif-5521723

[sweet stirrup]

Somewhat of a decent discussion about the problem of cheaters. But as soon I as brought it up, everyone attacked me and implying I'm so bad I cant tell what cheating is. Great way to make a discord member feel welcomed.

[whole furnace]

Well, because you bring it up in the most "I have no idea what I'm talking about" way 🤷‍♀️

[hollow crescent]

you know, it'd have helped your case a lot more if you had actual solid proof instead of just 'OCE has an insane amount of cheaters'

[turbid dock]

The reaction you're getting is that of people who see people come here daily to ragepost videos about how bullshit it is that they died to something like, a good wallbang or whatever and conclude that the game is full of cheaters

The amount of hackusations vs the amount of convincing evidence is just very disproportionate

[uneven flax]

It'll also help if you don't insult people for slightly disagreeing with you amigo

[turbid dock]

There are so many silly hackusations that the devs have repeatedly asked players to stop rage reporting because it drowns all the legitimate reports

So forgive us if we disagree about the amount of cheaters

[opal dawn]

I swear I'd be running non-stop recordings if I met half as many cheaters as some people claim there are

[turbid dock]

Yeah, roll the cameras, lets see some of these UFO sightings in HD

[hollow crescent]

it's always funny seeing people talk about how there are cheaters everywhere in asia and I'm over here like

where the fuck are they son

[sweet stirrup]

https://tenor.com/rwxu5XnjjVP.gif

[opal dawn]

Maybe... You're the cheater all along?

[sweet stirrup]

Alright nvm guys. Its done.

[hollow crescent]

the last one I met was a few days ago, the one before that was at least a month, month and a half ago

[sweet stirrup]

I'm out. Clearly you didnt understand what I was trying to say, twice. Lets just drop it

Maybe I caught all of you on a bad day.

[turbid dock]

No not really

[hidden heath]

I want to point out that everyone is proving this comment correct right now. The pile on is too real.

[turbid dock]

I'd say there's a bit of a difference between a pile on / dogpile / whatever and just multiple people disagreeing at once.

Chat is slow, there's lots of time for magentera to respond to everything being posted

[opal dawn]

All I want is just a pinch of recordings. If someone says they meet tons of cheaters, I kinda expect to see some footage of it. Flinging out accusations is easy

[long heron]

Any news from the other provinces?

[opal dawn]

Just like ping abuse, slap on a VPN and show us how good you do with that increased latency!

[hidden heath]

Thats fair, but a lot of players here just piled on someone trying to be heard so its a bit sad to see from this community

[opal dawn]

Kent, things are looking bad on EU. Mosin spizer and dolch P as far as the eye can see

[long heron]

So i've heard

[random nimbus]

[hollow crescent]

there is a difference between dogpiling and disagreeing, especially when the people disagreeing aren't even making fun or insulting of the person making the comment

[random nimbus]

It's one thing to want to be heard, but have something worth saying

Most cheater accusations are just people being salty

And we see so many people come in and cry about cheaters, but never bring receipts

[opal dawn]

It's just that there's three recurring topics on here as of the last two months:

1. bow complaints.
2. Hackusations.
3. Ping abuse complaints.

Points 2 and 3 have been... Forever

[uneven flax]

Trying to be heard by being an ass you mean...

[turbid dock]

This shit came out of nowhere and really opened the floodgates for sarcastic responses and whatnot

[wooden ember]

gm chat

[uneven flax]

Bro thinks he is the CEO of arguments

[wooden ember]

What are we arguing about today

[turbid dock]

Hard to take this seriously when it came after a completely normal conversation

[turbid dock]

The usual

[wooden ember]

bow or cheats

[opal dawn]

Cheats this time

[turbid dock]

Cheats right now

[uneven flax]

i mention mods arent employees and i was insulted for having no brain

[wooden ember]

ahh

[uneven flax]

and someone is surprised people are dogpiling on him lol

[wooden ember]

Lots of cheaters today im assuming

haha

[whole furnace]

You know, the classic, so many cheater, never recorded it

[hollow crescent]

it's OCE this time around

which is refreshing, since outside of 'dead server' comments you don't see OCE get brought up often

[random nimbus]

I read back a bit and yeah the guy in question was being a bit of a prick

[opal dawn]

Honestly.. Yea, I haven't seen many complaints about OCE other than dead server

[hidden heath]

Ok so if they have been more recurring in last few months shouldn't that be a clear indicator plays are encountering this kind of stuff and getting frustrated?

[turbid dock]

I can tell you with a pretty decent amount of confidence that the frequency of hackusations hasn't gone up, it's been consistent for as long as I've played hunt

[random nimbus]

Last time I ran into an actual cheater, I clipped it

[whole furnace]

No more solo necro and no more insta-burning.
We have truly improved as a community :)

[sweet stirrup]

I already surrended alright guys. Drop it. Save your keystrokes

[opal dawn]

Eh... If there are no receipts... And it's not like I also don't play the game

[turbid dock]

You're free to respond to anything if you want to

[opal dawn]

Very true!

[random nimbus]

Not necessarily, because most cheating accusations are just people being salty they lost or not understanding how they lost

[hollow crescent]

it's not even just the past few months

hackusations is a recurring topic since years ago

and again, if these players are supposedly running into cheaters often enough to be complaining about it, where are the receipts?

[random nimbus]

When I posted the cheater I found, the mods asked for the info as well to report the person to Crytek

[whole furnace]

Again, feel it is the case of:
"Man, games have been rough lately, feel like I'm getting a lot of sussy people in my lobbies"
vs.
"Hunt is infested with cheaters, devs don't care!!!"

[random nimbus]

I obscured the name in general post

[opal dawn]

Ye, you can post clips of cheaters as long as it's blurred out

[remote moss]

reports work great against blatants, yes

but complaining about blatants is boring

[opal dawn]

I've deffo seen some very sus things posted on here

And some blatant ones ofc

[hidden heath]

Lad I cant say were this proof is but I feel like we are not staying focused here.
All im saying, is its sad a new player joined this community and then got shat on. Him being a troll or not is irrelevant.
No one even attempted to try to understand them, the community just saw red and went on the attack

[turbid dock]

I kinda hope crytek is cooking up something like a replay mode or killcams or something like that. Imagine the reduction in false reports if people just got to see the other perspective, and the increased amount of legit reports if people can watch actual cheaters in action

One thing i miss from deadlock is being able to just take any match id and go look at the entire game.

[hidden heath]

I think we can drop this topic tbh

[remote moss]

lad thats usually what happens

constantly dealing with funni salt results in glorious jaded people not being nice enough to newbies

[whole furnace]

Killcams gonna solve nothing

[random nimbus]

From what I saw, he was incredibly rude and disrespectful himself, so it looks like he got back the energy he gave

[opal dawn]

Honestly, I thought that would be the common response regardless of what gaming discord you join

[hidden heath]

Thats what im seeing yes

[late walrus]

hunts spectate bugs out too much for a killcam to help

and also it looks even worse if the player has high ping

[opal dawn]

If anything it'd increase hackusations

[hollow crescent]

it's hard to be kind to someone when he goes in, says 'OCE has an insane amount of cheaters' without anything to back it up, and then proceed to be rude to moderators and other people when they naturally disagreed

had he talked like a reasonable person, we would've done the same

[late walrus]

i play 240 ping and whenever my friend spectates and i get a kill on his end i shot the floor and the bullet magically hit the guy

[remote moss]

a killcam with the current spectating system so it perpetually looks like they aimlock you even when they dont

[opal dawn]

Damn I knew you were a cheater

[remote moss]

thatd be funny shit

[whole furnace]

Knowing Hunt players, they will mentally erase the footage of their opponent shooting 6 shots at the wall and see it as proof of cheating that they got HS by the 7th.

[remote moss]

thats how the good wallers hide it

i always fake wallbang 50 out of 51 shots

[wooden ember]

But you dont get it he was for SURE a cheater 😔

[turbid dock]

Lol, I'm kinda saying this with the included implication that a functional replay system also means stable playback lol

[random nimbus]

Here's some pretty ugly cheating

[wheat hawk]

this guy not cheating also

[whole furnace]

Report me for cheating 👊😔

[wheat hawk]

pretty legit I would say

[remote moss]

well, alts for high kd used to be super common

so its hard to say

hes memeing with chu ko nu in solo lobbies probably

[wooden ember]

yeah if I see you once on eu you getting mass reported buddy

[short halo]

I usually hide it with a cask of amontillado

[wheat hawk]

he is blatant cheater using chu ko nu explosive from 500 m away

but lets say he is an ALT KD yes