hunt-general

[river slate]

Voluntarily

[dense sleet]

i dont doubt it, i play with quite a few of em

ask em and htey will say its not an easy thing lol

[river slate]

They are dog regardless

[dense sleet]

it really is a skill gap but they can make it work

[river slate]

Which only shows how bad hunt players are mechanically

[dense sleet]

i love Cry with all my heart, but holy shit spectating him sometimes makes me irk

[astral moss]

Mmmh, i smell some debate here.

[river slate]

Not just mechanically but in general

No debate we just shit on rollers

[dense sleet]

im not shitting on controllers

[astral moss]

"rollers" ?

[river slate]

I'm barely reading anything tbh

[dapper berry]

I just pieced that together

[river slate]

I just skim thru doing housework

[dense sleet]

im shitting on the idea of making a balance between mnk and controller to have an effective and worthwhile investment into crossplat for hunt

[dapper berry]

(Cont)rollers

[dense sleet]

PC to Console

[dapper berry]

What if there was another way that checks out other than aimbot

[dense sleet]

anyways, mtx make up for much more of a significant amount of revenue

[dense sleet]

name it

reduced PC lobbies?

[dapper berry]

Sounds crazy but give the console players more health

[dense sleet]

then you get people bitching about 6 star console players in 3 star PC lobbies

[dapper berry]

I’m spitballing

[stoic halo]

????

[dense sleet]

please never be a fucking dev

easiest way to kill a fucking game

[hollow crescent]

are we deadass

[dapper berry]

It was an example

[dreamy cave]

Give console playes 1000 health and a AK

[dapper berry]

Not saying it’s a good one

[dense sleet]

the worst one you couldve ever saiud

[dapper berry]

But there are other ways

[dense sleet]

just an outright no debate advantage xD

[stoic halo]

Give the console players a gun to shoot themselves with

[dapper berry]

Not if they can’t hit shots and their opponent can

[dense sleet]

that

what?

[stoic halo]

They can hit shots tho they are just at a mechanical disadvantage

[dense sleet]

regardless of if you hit your shots, bc of your input you gain a significant advantage, regardless of your skill level

[late walrus]

yo

[stoic halo]

Same as someone with a worse system

[dapper berry]

It sounds looks and smells stupid but think about it

[dense sleet]

i am

[stoic halo]

Are we giving lower framerate players more health

[late walrus]

i thought about it

its stupid

[dense sleet]

its actually teh worse thing you couldve said

[dapper berry]

If PC players hit 70% shots and console hit 40% of shots

[stoic halo]

I dont think you have

[dense sleet]

if you want to play with your console friends

[stoic halo]

The console players can just get better?

[dense sleet]

buy a fucking console

they hook up to your monitor

PC and Console dont have to crossplay in everything

[late walrus]

where are these numbers coming from

[dapper berry]

That’s a 300 pound solution

[dense sleet]

crossprogression though

[dapper berry]

I made them up

[dense sleet]

and you are talking about completely ruining the balance of the game,

simply on a choice of your input?

[dreamy cave]

My friend plays with a controller while on pc because he doesn't want to learn MnK. He doesn't play often but when he does. He's normally laying on the ground.

[dense sleet]

150 is the way it is for a reason

[dapper berry]

It was an example not a finished solution

[dense sleet]

keep it unfinished

that spit can go back in your mouth dawg

[dapper berry]

Don’t get angry now

[dense sleet]

im not lol

[late walrus]

freaky ass shit man

[dapper berry]

Ik I’m just saying don’t

[dense sleet]

he called it a spitball

[dapper berry]

And a spitball it is

[late walrus]

freaky ass shit

[dense sleet]

a random ass guy in hunt gen isnt gonna make me angry lol

[dapper berry]

Because I’m not saying add health

[dense sleet]

lifes more than that xD

[dense sleet]

you

you just did though?

[dapper berry]

I said for example

As an example of alternate ways to balance other than aim assist

[fathom shale]

At most I can see them adding optional crossplay without touching aim assist, but even that has possible major downsides. If more console players decide to just keep it on despite being at a disadvantage, that shrinks the amount of players queuing with crossplay disabled leading to even more empty lobbies and long queue times along with less accurate matchmaking

[dense sleet]

^

ie

more "why is this 6 star in my 2 star lobbies game bad devs bad fuck fifield ruin hunt"

[dapper berry]

Yeah that’s another solution

[dense sleet]

making it optional would be fine, the issue would just be playercount

and who would actually use it vs those who leave it off

[dapper berry]

Was the game ever even intended for console though

[dense sleet]

its a lot of investment on cryteks part for something maybe sub 10% of the community would use

[dapper berry]

If PC is so much bigger in playercount

[dense sleet]

PC and console between the two are about the same

[dapper berry]

Oh alright

[dense sleet]

PC edges it out a bit more as a standalone, but console hunt is quite alive especially now that it has crossplay between them

and think about that

[dapper berry]

It’s improving user experience for people like me though

[dense sleet]

that took years to implement, and while the lobby codes are very usually wel ldone and its a pretty damn good system

honestly i hate to say it

"fuck the few respect the many"

[dapper berry]

It wouldn’t be in the works for years though

[dense sleet]

just because 1000 people want this, but 50000 dont... i wouldnt even bother

[dense sleet]

crossplay between consoles is different than an entirely different platform

[dapper berry]

Except separate mixed lobbies aren’t gonna make 40000 people quit

[dense sleet]

i never said it would

[dapper berry]

I’m saying they probably chose to make crossplay between consoles 5 months ago and took 2 months to design and implement it

[fallow topaz]

It's a solution to a non problem

Is what I'm hearing

[dapper berry]

It’s absolutely a problem

[dense sleet]

but it would def cause discorse bc of longer queue times, worse balanced lobbies, and in general the consoel players would just get slammed UNLESS they have some major advantage (like fucking extra health or aim bot )

i would argue crossPROGRESSION takes precedence over crossPLAT

[hollow crescent]

that's the thing, how many people are having the same problem as you

adding what on paper sounds like a nice, innocent addition for the sub 1% at the expense of everyone in general ain't it chief

[dapper berry]

If I was a console player with friends on PC I would play at a disadvantage to play with my friends

[dense sleet]

glad to see you are everyone else tho

[fallow topaz]

Sounds like a personal choice.

[dense sleet]

^

[dapper berry]

It does

Which separate lobbies would be

A choice

[dense sleet]

then ya, this conversation is moot

[fallow topaz]

Most folks I know fucking hate losing and would never.

[dense sleet]

making it a toggle would just be worse tbh

[fallow topaz]

Especially in Hunt where the biggest complaint is the playstyle that preserves hunters.

[steep orchid]

give mako more ammo when

[dense sleet]

how much fucking effort to make that work flawlessly, for 100 people to use it

[tall canopy]

you mean cross invite

[fallow topaz]

When they remove sparks pistol or uppercut

[dapper berry]

They can endure 20 seconds of queue time for the more mature people who like playing games with friends

[dense sleet]

yet we have the berthier and obrez drum? lol

[dapper berry]

Yeah mb

[dense sleet]

least of your worries

but mako def dont need more ammo

1.1 rof is nuts enough

[dapper berry]

Mako is good rn

[hollow crescent]

, worse balanced lobbies, and in general the consoel players would just get slammed UNLESS they have some major advantage

are you just going to keep ignoring this or

[dense sleet]

fucking .05 less than its compact variant

[fallow topaz]

You run bertheir with mako?

[dense sleet]

bertheir has 22 rounds atm

[tall canopy]

what if they add a max ammo count for specific ammo types. max 20 long ammo shots or smth

[dapper berry]

They already put solos in lobbies below their MMR

[dense sleet]

oberz gives 10 reserve plus 15 in mag

[dapper berry]

balancing can be worked on

[opal dawn]

Wait, wasn't mako 1.35 without IE and 1.3 with?

[dense sleet]

upper giving 9 and sparks pistol giving 15 (while a lot) is oof

[dense sleet]

naw dog

that shit 1.1

with ie

[fallow topaz]

I mean you have to look at the gun too.

[dense sleet]

oh yea, and berthier does more damage than the lebel

so

[fallow topaz]

A 3 shot clip vs a how big tube mag?

[dense sleet]

carbine

[opal dawn]

Gah dang, same as vett 💀

[dapper berry]

A console player won’t team up with 2 others to play in PC lobbies tho

[dense sleet]

the clip loads faster than most rechamebrs

mute point

[dense sleet]

vet is 1.4

[steep orchid]

i'll let main dev know

[dense sleet]

same as krag

[dapper berry]

They’ll be in mixed lobbies with other trio/duos who have PC players in them

[steep orchid]

[fallow topaz]

We're just talking about mako and if it needs more in the reserve.

[dense sleet]

mako is legit .05s slower than the ranger

[dense sleet]

but you mentioned when uppercut and spistol get removed

least of our worries

we already have a gun that imo in most regards performs better

[fallow topaz]

Because that's the easiest way to get more Mako on reserve

[dense sleet]

berthier could use some tuning ngl, and it just got FASTER

[fallow topaz]

I was being cheeky. 😛

[dense sleet]

like what dev really wants this gun used more

[fallow topaz]

I feel like the Mako is in a better spot than it was.

[dense sleet]

oh really?

you think the fastest long ammo rechamber helped with that?

[hollow crescent]

and how do you know this exactly?

besides, even if it's a mixed lobby, there's a non-zero chance that they're going to run into a stack of 3 PC players that will just slam them

[dense sleet]

again

its .05 slower than the ranger, a compact weapon

[dapper berry]

Because if the whole teams console players they would choose to play in console lobbies no?

[dense sleet]

but deals an extra 30 damage with an extra 200mv xD

[dense sleet]

nope

not how that works

at all

if you enable crossplay

[hollow crescent]

^

[dapper berry]

So implement a feature that blocks a full PC stack from enabling mixed queueing

[dense sleet]

you play with the other platform, thats how that works

[fallow topaz]

Scope creep and kinda defeats the purpose.

[hollow crescent]

so it fucks up queue times even more for PC-exclusive players

fantastic solution

[dense sleet]

itll speed up queue times for you since your potential for enemies is higher, and hunt prioritizes faster queues than more accurate ones

so in detail

youre fucked mate

[fallow topaz]

As nice as it would be to get developers to rip up their code just to try your idea would be

I don't see the vision.

[dapper berry]

in arc raiders there’s a button in the corner of the screen to enable crossplay or not

[dense sleet]

the meaning behind it is nice, i left behind buddies on console as well

[dense sleet]

Hunt and Arc Raiders

VASTLY different

[fallow topaz]

Naw dude same game

[dapper berry]

In hunt there could be the same thing but disabled for PC stacks

[dense sleet]

besides being extraction shooters, imcomparable

[fallow topaz]

Came out the same year too

[hollow crescent]

btw, most games that have crossplay available always have it turned on at all times for PC and they cannot turn it off no matter what

[fallow topaz]

Working off the same engine

[quick phoenix]

Good Day yall. How are we all doing today?

[hollow crescent]

I imagine if it was to be implemented it'd be the same for hunt

[dense sleet]

yr yr

[fallow topaz]

Good, you?

[quick phoenix]

Good aswell, tysm!

[dapper berry]

Different but doesn’t mean they can’t share a slightly similar feature

[dense sleet]

a feature that outright

will not work

[dapper berry]

Doesn’t work because it doesn’t exist rn

[dense sleet]

it just wont

regardless of it being in orn ot

will not work

[dapper berry]

number one fan of doom and gloom over here

Let me believe

[dense sleet]

like dude i get it, i miss my buddies i left on console when i came to PC. but as their FRIEND i wouldnt want them to suffer just to play in my 3KD 5k hours lobbies

[dense sleet]

doom and gloom or just being realistic?

not tryna have crytek waste money and manpower on something that just wont work and isnt worth the thought, as unf as it is

[fallow topaz]

The problem is, it's an opinion that disregards reality and no one should have to bend over backwards to the delusion.

[hollow crescent]

imagine some poor dude going on here to look for players to play with and then he gets shamed for being a console player trying to play with PC 6s

[dense sleet]

tbf, i play with everyone

last night i was playing with a new player just to fuck around, i really dont care who i play with as long as we vibe

but i also feel bad when they are just dead on teh ground

[fallow topaz]

PC 6* are notoriously respected and not the sweatiest players with the least friends /jk

[hollow crescent]

the folks I've played with have been nice, but I know there's a good chunk who aren't nearly as nice

[dense sleet]

theres nothing to learn and no sense of enjoyment

[dense sleet]

oh ofc

theres both sides to both coins

[astral moss]

Sound like someone just got outskilled at the video game.

[random nimbus]

There's a lot to learn, like how long it takes for them to load the kill feed before they get set on fire

[dense sleet]

xD

not that type of learning damn you Lerii you fuck

[hollow crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/compedant-meme-descendant-companion-son-gif-229683454138273454

[random nimbus]

[fallow topaz]

Could be worse. I could complain about insert specific gun I don't like

[dense sleet]

one of my buddies asked me to make an alt since she wants to play but doesnt find enjoyment in the lobbies i normally play in

[astral moss]

Idk man, cope is cope.

[dapper berry]

Yeah 3kd issues

[fallow topaz]

But yeah. Have you seen the Good Doctor meme of "6 star player when told 4 star is more fun"

[dense sleet]

so naturally i did, and unf that got to 6 star just as quick xD apparently tool only and melee only wasnt enough

[hollow crescent]

one of my OG hunt friends that got me into the game refused to come back because he got rolled in 4* and cannot be assed to relearn the game to go back to 6 lmao

[dense sleet]

unironically i do have more fun in higher star lobbies, makes me use my brain a bit more and its just not mindless pushing, thats fun too but i like the longer drawn out more challenging fights too

[astral moss]

No, can you post it ?

[dense sleet]

and i dont really get those in lower star when i unf get queued into it, i can usually tell sometimes xD

[hollow crescent]

I unironically enjoy playing against 6s than 5 or 4s, even if it's more challenging and I'm more prone to getting slammed

[dense sleet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/paramountplus-star-trek-prodigy-IzqaPRMmgsXyaPwtYZ

[random nimbus]

The playstyles are a lot different

[hollow crescent]

at least I can learn something and generally it's always one team wiping the other quickly so we can move on to the next game

[random nimbus]

The lower in MMR you get, the more campy players tend to be

[hollow crescent]

meanwhile in 5 and 4 I'm out here watching a fucking documentary on my phone while waiting for people to do something, anything

[astral moss]

Yeah but camping if you are blind isn't really an issue.

[dense sleet]

sidenote

[fallow topaz]

I feel like solo play the higher level goes more campy

[dense sleet]

i forgot how fire Pop Country 2010s era is

[fallow topaz]

Team play is more potentially coordinated but aggressive

[dense sleet]

bc they have to be

or they jsut get insta choked out

[hollow crescent]

early 2000s music in general just hit different

[fallow topaz]

We can make excuses but still

[hollow crescent]

god I miss 2000s linkin park

[dense sleet]

actively enjoy NeYo xD

[random nimbus]

I'm not saying it's an issue, per say, just that people in lower MMRs tend to be more passive or afraid to act. Those are the people that are more likely to trap boss compound and hold angles with shotguns for 40 minutes

[astral moss]

Team play isn't necessary ngl.

[fallow topaz]

But when it hits just right.

A good planned engage where a whole team dies within 5 seconds. So good

[random nimbus]

I don't see any solos in most 6* matches

[astral moss]

Like when you are facing a solo, maybe yell to your team mate to push him as 3 is the play.

[hollow crescent]

a very, very common trend in 4 and 5 is that they get aggressive at the start, taking pot shots and using whatever utils to fish for an early kill

but when that fails they immediately resort to camping

[fallow topaz]

They're probably hiding in a bush

[astral moss]

It is but its on all mmr, people just play passive at hunt, game too scary you know ?

[hollow crescent]

6* solos tend to be in like, low 6 and 5 lobbies

very rarely do one come up in high 6

[random nimbus]

Nah, people aren't that campy in high elo. They push on kill and capitalize on momentum

[dense sleet]

thank you

[astral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[random nimbus]

The second someone dies, they rush in with explosives and pepper walls with bullets

[fallow topaz]

Yeah. I know for the streamers/ content people I watch. They have a good defensive but not camping playstyle

[dense sleet]

i always hear about the opposite and im like "what? im always getiting rushed xD"

[fallow topaz]

Rexnor is a bow user so he has to but still.

[dense sleet]

too bad ReXnor is a chud

[astral moss]

Lol Rexnor bounce between low 6* and 4* so its not really a good exemple.

[fallow topaz]

I was afraid of that. "Viking" fetishism is a red flag.

[hollow crescent]

clearly you haven't played in high 6 all that much if you're thinking this is ragebait

high 6s will fucking send you the moment they think they're able to

[dense sleet]

random ass 3star solo in high 6. this was at like 2am so matchmaking be borked

dual nagant bleed and nagant p with hv. kinda chadded out ngl

[astral moss]

Bro i am stuck in it for like half a years now, how can you say that.

[tall canopy]

if its just something rexnor really likes wheres the problem in that 😭

[fallow topaz]

People who play for content vs optimizing usually have that happen.

[dense sleet]

i was moreso meaning when you could abuse old necro, he did it al lthe time to farm clips and posted on YT and shorts about it being "6 stars"

[hollow crescent]

then how are you seriously thinking that is ragebait dawg

[dense sleet]

when clearly they werent

[random nimbus]

High elo is revive fiesta too, so you have to push a kill immediately

[astral moss]

I know right, when deranking is neccesary to make content, maybe practice the game more.

[dense sleet]

its not tho

[astral moss]

Cause nobody push ever.

[fallow topaz]

It's a lot to get into, but when someone uses Viking instead of Norse there's usually some fucking weird vibes in the background.

[dense sleet]

theres plenty of high elo content creators lol

[astral moss]

Say that to Rexnor.

[dense sleet]

kinda white girl valley girl type vibe right? i get what you mean

[dense sleet]

oh i know

[hollow crescent]

I'd like to see whatever lobbies you're playing in because I deadass haven't had a campy lobby full of 6s in ages

[fallow topaz]

It's more a natural consequence of playing a game for a different reason than sweat and optimization.

[dense sleet]

i literally just posted about the opposite

btu people do it to farm clips

hencewhy i will never watch him and Huuge, who also abused it yet defended hard on it xD

[astral moss]

Maybe you are more in the "low" 6* than you think.

[fallow topaz]

Who should I check out?

[random nimbus]

I think that might be you lol

[hollow crescent]

[astral moss]

I wish.

[fallow topaz]

Outside PsychoGhost, Racha, and Neeoh some of my hunt guys have stopped making content

[random nimbus]

The sweaty 3kd players don't need to camp

[dense sleet]

personally, i really do fuck with Hornet and Quix

if i want like insane players

but Psychoghost consistantly just makes solidcontent and i like it

[random nimbus]

And even the average 6* is competent enough to make plays

[astral moss]

Lol most of the KD farmer did.

[hollow crescent]

I've been dueling against 2+ KD clans this past week so idk dawg

could be a regional thing too because asia 6s are not campy whatsoever

[dense sleet]

Ratcha i dont wathc that much anymore bc he tends to titlebait but just use the uppercut the whole game

[fallow topaz]

Sorta that's a subculture based on materialism.

Viking in the US often has some side eye due to which groups fetishize their violence but don't actually care about their culture.

[random nimbus]

KD farmers aren't the same as sweaty high kd players

[dense sleet]

good player and seems chill though

[dense sleet]

like im a lot of norse, but i dont idolize that shit xD

[astral moss]

I play in Us East/EU so no idea how people play in Asia.

[dense sleet]

im Norse, Russian, and Native American, i def dont "like" that they did all stuff xD

[fallow topaz]

I haven't seen Quix I'll check them out.

Hornet got hired by Crytek iirc he's cool a bit dry for me personally though

[dense sleet]

that shit is wierd asf

[hollow crescent]

both rachta and hornet seem to be chill dudes but good god all they do is post vod highlights

Rexnor, chud as he is, at least has interesting-ish content to watch

[dense sleet]

they stream alla the time

[random nimbus]

Seeing him play officer carbine is the most boring thing ever

[dense sleet]

ofcourse itll be highlights xD

[hollow crescent]

I know

rachta streams pop up on my feed every damn day

[astral moss]

Quix is the prime exemple of ego player that just play against bozo.

[dense sleet]

Rex does the same thing xD as well as Psycho, as well as Neenoh

[dense sleet]

he funny asf tho

i fuck hard with quix

tbh i dont watch a lot of hunt content much

[fallow topaz]

Yeah man. It sucks because I realized I was getting into a theme park Victorian fantasy of a real people.

So it meant I had to pivot and be more specific about what sources and groups I engaged with.

[dense sleet]

nowadays my feeds are al lfilled with Sov Cits getting slammed against their cars xD

[hollow crescent]

Rex does do content that helps out newer players and returnees though, so it's something even if it's not particularly useful for vets like you and I

[astral moss]

I hate him just cause he name himself as "Melee god" when he actually don't use his melee at all appart for when the kill is just free.

[dense sleet]

i swear

melee players always try to one up each other as if htey arent just hitting a single button center mass on a guy who most of hte time isnt looking em

most ego players ive ever met xD

[astral moss]

Like bro stay 35m with his drilling half the game and run at the bozo that rez his mate in front of him, like come on.

[fallow topaz]

I mean if it works

[dense sleet]

until you meet a shotgun

or pennyshot derry

just hte better option xD

[fallow topaz]

That's the issue right. Sometimes Meta in the literal sense is boring

[astral moss]

Melee isn't about aiming if you just realize.

[hollow crescent]

and every single one of them one-tricks the katana because of course they do

like dawg if you're claiming to be a melee main use something else for a change

[random nimbus]

I get tired of seeing Psychoghost post clips of him clowning on trios when the players he's against are so clearly newer or inexperienced.

[dense sleet]

not quite so much anymore tbh

post matchmaking change

but beforei would tend to agree

[fallow topaz]

I mean unless we see the end screen , it could have just been a bad game by good players

[astral moss]

I use every melee (appart from machete) but katana is the easiest to use.

[dense sleet]

yo ucan usually tell bad or just inexperienced players purely off their movement, pathing, and positioning

aim aside

[astral moss]

Typical content creator bhvr.

[dense sleet]

melee players? always 4 s tar

[random nimbus]

The ones that pop up for me now are much the same. People that get headshot or a frag tossed from a tower but don't recognize where and don't look up

[dense sleet]

no matter the actual star

[hollow crescent]

speaking of hunt CCs, guessed what popped up on my feed

[astral moss]

"Oh guy i am so good at the game, look they are confused just because of my presence, plz watch my tuto i need money."

[dense sleet]

he gets so many more frag bomb kills than me its not fair

[dense sleet]

hey thats a good video

[random nimbus]

Frags are still ez mode kills

[dense sleet]

oh yea

[random nimbus]

I just stopped bringing them for Cards lately

[dense sleet]

i overthink them when im throwing them

[astral moss]

Wdym bro ?

[dense sleet]

i prestige so no cards for me, that or i sell for more lebels

[fallow topaz]

I mean part of the issue is how algorithms work.
But I mean let me know if you find a content creator who doesn't do the thing that works.

[dense sleet]

im nearly at rank 10 lebel and rank 10 upper

[fallow topaz]

Noice

[random nimbus]

I've been bringing Hanged Man a lot lately

[astral moss]

Elegant unleash the ragebait on me again.

[random nimbus]

Grab first clue and use card

[dense sleet]

i always grab garden

most busted card in the game

[tall canopy]

ohno, ppl who earn their money by making yt videos want to earn money with youtube videos

[dense sleet]

saved me and my team so much

[random nimbus]

Garden is nice, but I generally don't want it

[astral moss]

Its not the issue here.

[hollow crescent]

I really need to start using romero more

but god knowing that I'm like 400-ish kills away from level 10 is daunting af

[dense sleet]

lol its a good gun but i find myself using specter more tbh

[random nimbus]

I'd rather have a more unique effect for my cards, especially something like Chariot

[dense sleet]

dont always need flashy imo, Garden is just so fuckign spicy

[random nimbus]

Garden is incredibly reliable

[fallow topaz]

Devil :3

[astral moss]

Just delete this thing, i hope next event this card is just going into the void with the rez bolt.

[dense sleet]

ive brought 4 recently and just shift W'd a bunch of players and i got a comment asking if i had a health cheat

[hollow crescent]

specter is great

I just want the level 10 romero for the luls, since unless you're in clash or a fresh prestige you don't see it in BH too often

[dense sleet]

yea i was using controller so i had a hp buff

[random nimbus]

But Chariot has robbed games from me and my enemies

[dense sleet]

^for those who were here earlier

[fallow topaz]

Gotta chariot for the love of the game

[random nimbus]

I despise Chariot how it is now

[dense sleet]

i wonder if i could ragebait enouhg people into thinking i get an hp buff

i almost wished that all outside extracts were open, and chariot opened up middle and blocked 2 random outer ones

[random nimbus]

I remember we had a talk here some time ago about changing it and I liked the idea a lot

[dense sleet]

my issue is that its available every game

at least during Empress it was a chance

i B line to burnt cart just to grab it and make sure i dont get gbed

[random nimbus]

All border extracts are open normally. Chariot temporarily locks all border extracts for 2-3 minutes and opens middle permanently.

[astral moss]

I wonder if i call the ragebait on this take at this time.

[dense sleet]

i would rather see a 5min on that, but i was thinking about something like that as well personally

[random nimbus]

Probably. You are kinda known for takes that are hard to distinguish from ragebait

[dense sleet]

its all ragebait

bc its shit

love you Drag kidding

||kinda||

[astral moss]

Idk man, saying chariot was a good concept is kinda ragebait as well.

[random nimbus]

Chariot as a concept is fine. The current implementation is what's clearly horrible

[opal dawn]

Drag is a master at baiting

[astral moss]

[dense sleet]

master of bad takes

that should be his new name

[random nimbus]

It directly encourages campy and passive behavior

[dense sleet]

Blade of Ranni was getting cringe anyways

[astral moss]

WHAT ?!?!?!?

[dense sleet]

Blythe best girl anyways

[astral moss]

Yeah so it was always a bad idea lol.

[random nimbus]

That's not how that works

The idea of Chariot is extraction manipulation

[dense sleet]

my break is over

rip

[random nimbus]

The issue is there's nothing stopping the Chariot user from being passive in their use it it as people try to escape. You're forced to move to another extraction

[dense sleet]

back to my 16 hour shift ;-;

[astral moss]

That's what you get for disrepecting the ultimate Waifu.

[dense sleet]

Blythe best girl

[random nimbus]

If Chariot only temporarily locked border extractions, it would force the user to engage with the bounty team or they'd still escape

[astral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-youtube-memes-grab-web-series-gif-2526302128464590161

[random nimbus]

Melina

[astral moss]

Would be better but still annoying.

[random nimbus]

She's so good she's pointless

[astral moss]

But at least it would make people push.

[fallow topaz]

At what point do we just admit it's a player use thing than the card itself

[astral moss]

Nah the card itself is the problem.
Ofc player are gonna be annoying with each other its expected.

[fallow topaz]

Most people using it in the bitch made way is preventable, but it requires planning around it. XD

Plus idk about y'all I've gotten locked and open extracts next to each other.

[random nimbus]

There's no way to make Chariot not be annoying to be on the receiving end of, but at least a temporarily locked extraction would encourage the user to engage bounty team vs enabling lazy ambushes because bounty now has to run 400m south.

[fallow topaz]

Do you think you could mind games it

Go to a locked one and bait out a switch

[random nimbus]

I've done that when I'm bounty with Chariot

[fallow topaz]

[random nimbus]

Go to locked and unlock it

[fallow topaz]

I feel like part of the issue is wanting to do what you've always done instead of playing around the new tools

[random nimbus]

But at least imo, Chariot is meant to aid in chasing bounty in the event they slip away for whatever reason

[fallow topaz]

That makes sense too

[random nimbus]

I think the tool itself is fine in concept, but I don't like its current implementation

[fallow topaz]

I think it's easy for people just have that complacent gameplay syndrome, and this is something that fundamentally breaks that pattern.

[random nimbus]

It only does that for one team tho.

[fallow topaz]

At least this is something constructive that we can break down and talk through.

[fallow topaz]

With revealing extracts, I'd argue it effects two teams.

[random nimbus]

Chariot, imo, should allow you to catch up to bounty by slowing them, not force everyone to a different place.

If bounty has stamina shots, you aren't catching them

[fallow topaz]

I don't see the vision. But I'm also a sucker for themes

I think that could be fun as a different card.

Feels like easily used for mid fight debuffing with no counterplay

[random nimbus]

Chariot should be a tool to slow a bounty team that has enough of a headstart that you can't catch up to them before they escape. A 2-3 minute temporary lockout would allow you to get to them from almost any place on the map

[fallow topaz]

Ah okay I see what you actually mean

[random nimbus]

But also require the Chariot user to engage the bounty at extraction or they might escape

[fallow topaz]

I don't know if passive stalling vs forcing active choices would be as fun

[random nimbus]

Right now, I can pop Chariot and be passive in the way of bounty to the next extraction

[astral moss]

(When the only real counterplay to long ammo is running to extract most of the time.)

[random nimbus]

Passive stalling should never be encouraged, imo.

There's no way to completely disincentive it

[fallow topaz]

2-3 minutes no extract definitely has some fun and engaging gameplay potential for sure

[cursive magnet]

If the bounty slipped away without you noticing, that's on you. Chariot is fun and all but remove the central extract as it doesn't even make sense

[random nimbus]

But I think balance focus with tools like Chariot should be to force or encourage engagement, especially between bounty team and attackers

[fallow topaz]

I think my angle would be cards that counter cards

Basically allowing a setting flavor version of a wizard duel

[random nimbus]

Middle would still be opened if Chariot was used

[astral moss]

Would still be too strong.

[fallow topaz]

And we just had someone mention they don't even like the middle one existing

[cursive magnet]

I just hate how there's a guaranteed chariot in every round.

[astral moss]

Like chariot force you to fight in the open.

[random nimbus]

This is partially true, but if bounty has stamina shots, then you aren't catching them. That's been an issue for years

[cursive magnet]

So they prepared, good on them

[random nimbus]

Things happen in a match that reasonably delay your pursuit of bounty.

[outer iron]

Thats not an issue. They gambled on hitting bounty first and it payed off

[astral moss]

Then maybe push them, they can't run to extract if you are too close to the compound. 👍

[fallow topaz]

I'd just take a pursuit angle honestly

[cursive magnet]

Yup. Going for the bounty first is a high risk and being able to slip away is perfectly fine

[random nimbus]

When you spawn in on bounty compound with extraction behind you, that's not a gamble. That's a free ride

[cursive magnet]

If you allow them to do so it's completely on you, unless you were far away

[astral moss]

It happen in like 1 out of 20.

[fallow topaz]

At this rate, y'all will want a card that extracts you at the end of the channel.

And if a team syncs up they get the bonus

[fallow topaz]

If you get lucky, you're lucky. Nice

[outer iron]

When you have something unlikely happen. Huh. We have a term for that. If only I could remember it.

[random nimbus]

Not in my experience

[cursive magnet]

And you get pretty much nothing for it

[fallow topaz]

Anecdotal throw it out

Also it's probably not the same players getting it

[random nimbus]

Not correct, but also not relevant at all.

[astral moss]

You are just too lucky man, cryteck should nerf you.

[random nimbus]

I'm lucky I bring Chariot a lot too

[astral moss]

I hate you.

[random nimbus]

And knowing I have Chariot lets me be passive in going for bounty

I can just wait for everyone to die, let bounty run a bit and lock them out when I'm in the ideal place between them and nearest extraction

I have 0 reason to risk anything

[astral moss]

Yeah that what happen to me when chariot was added.

[outer iron]

Thank God cards don't have skins. Chariot can't be removed quick enough.

[astral moss]

And now i don't take bounty anymore just because of this stupid mechanic.

[fallow topaz]

So you're telling me, you have an active plan you execute for the thing and it works for you.

[random nimbus]

No, I'm being passive

[fallow topaz]

It's literally you choose to be the person you don't like xD

[cursive magnet]

That sounds very much like self harm

[astral moss]

Ofc it work bro, its just what play style the card is pushing.

[random nimbus]

The plan is inactivity lol

[astral moss]

Its strategy bro, that's why i got random.

[random nimbus]

I'm using this as an example of how Chariot enables passivity

[fallow topaz]

In you.

[cursive magnet]

We once outgamed chariot players by just staying at the extract and playing our chariot 5 minutes later

they were too stuck up trying to cut us off they didn't even realize we weren't really moving

[opal dawn]

Interactive Gaming

[random nimbus]

Forests and trees.

[astral moss]

Yeah lol "Have chariot or stay in a stalemate for the rest of the match" good design.

[fallow topaz]

This is like the anti camping stuff

They can try, but if you're bitch made... Not much they can actually do

[astral moss]

Obvious unhealthy mechanic that stay for month in the game.

[random nimbus]

If Chariot only temporarily locked extractions, it would encourage more aggressive play as a last chance opportunity to catch bounty

[opal dawn]

Should be 30-60 seconds of all extracts locked, 3 min cooldown and user has to hunt the bounty holders

[fallow topaz]

That last sentence. How would you mechanically do it

[astral moss]

That would still be cancer but at least it wont be a stalemate for 40min.

[tall canopy]

imagine being in a stalemate for 40 mins

[random nimbus]

Debuff that kills your hunter if you don't grab bounty before extracting.

[fallow topaz]

Like what

[opal dawn]

What do you mean mechanically? If you don't push the bounty team they'll still get away

[astral moss]

Bro if we are the bounty team at the extract, we can't push them cause we are in the open.

[fallow topaz]

"user has to hunt the bounty holders"

Explain

[cursive magnet]

That only ever happens if both teams are camping the shit out of the other

[fallow topaz]

How would you force this

[astral moss]

I am the firts one to break stalemate if possible but i am not gonna cross on the no man's land to do it.

[opal dawn]

Now you're being choosy, you know what I mean

[tall canopy]

drag would never camp

[random nimbus]

Again, debuff that kills your hunter if you extract without bounty

[opal dawn]

You don't have to do anything in a strict sense

[cursive magnet]

Then he would never have stalemates

[fallow topaz]

You said it. I'm asking. Since it completes your design

[random nimbus]

You get bounty, die trying, or die for failing

[opal dawn]

But if you want value out of it, you have to chase the bounty team before they can get away. It just gives you more time

[south shore]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-brad-pitt-thats-why-no-one-will-remember-your-name-gif-16617148

[cursive magnet]

He clearly didn't say that the game would force you to do that, stop getting onto him

[fallow topaz]

How do you punish people for not doing what you think they're supposed to do?

[opal dawn]

Why would they be punished?

[random nimbus]

They escape

[opal dawn]

They don't get the bounty, it's very simple

Just like it is now

[astral moss]

If i can't push or go away, what i am supposed to do ?

[random nimbus]

Chariot is, at its core, designed to help you stop bounty from escaping

[astral moss]

Sadly some map are just openfield simulator some time.

[tall canopy]

you always have a choice

[astral moss]

Ok Yoda.

[opal dawn]

You can also just go into the game, do nothing and extract, that's also possible

[cursive magnet]

You can always push

[fallow topaz]

The issue is his option is a knee jerk reaction and without that wording... It's basically what we have now

[still totem]

Yesterday I tried Terminus without levering to see what it was like. I see why it needs it

[astral moss]

No, that's obviously not true.

[fallow topaz]

And he said has to get the bounty. So I want to know how

[cursive magnet]

You. Can. Always. Attack.

[random nimbus]

Except what we have now also encourages passivity in its use too.

[still totem]

It worked out ok in the end cause I took the bleed shells but even still

[astral moss]

Ok nice ragebait.

[random nimbus]

You're getting very lost in semantics and minor details

[cursive magnet]

There is literally no situation where you can't do something in this game.

[opal dawn]

Or hell, make Chariot increase the contesting radius of an extract, so you can be within like... Double the range to lock the extraction timer

[cursive magnet]

Unless you're literally stuck in a buggy area

But you also struggle to get a couple circus grunt kills so umm

[fallow topaz]

It's more I'm actually curious what y'all would want.

[random nimbus]

We've explained it numerous times. Chariot temporarily locks extractions on use

[astral moss]

Yes map design isn't always made for pushing.

Like when i play on Mammon i am sure i gonna flee some fight before coming to the bosslair.

[random nimbus]

Aside from middle

[fallow topaz]

And why does stalling the game have any reasonable impact or change what the current issues are?

[opal dawn]

What other current issues are we taking into account?

[astral moss]

Cause if the lock on extract isn't infinite the chariot team gonna push at some point.

[fallow topaz]

The core argument is people using it at the best time to fuck over the bounty.

[random nimbus]

Because it's meant to allow a last effort to catch bounty while encouraging engagement from the chasing team. Chariot in its current form also greatly enables passivity and stalling

[cursive magnet]

Thing is, regardless of map design, you can get away from everywhere, sometimes you gotta kill your enemies

[fallow topaz]

And if they don't?

[astral moss]

Then the bounty team extract.

[random nimbus]

Bounty escapes

[cursive magnet]

But you are NEVER stuck in a "i can't do anything" situation

[fallow topaz]

Or is it passive players use it to stall

[fallow topaz]

So what's the difference?

[astral moss]

[random nimbus]

He's trolling at this point

[astral moss]

Am i gonna rephrase the whole conv for this guy ?

[opal dawn]

That you can't just lock an extract and wait for them to move to another

[fallow topaz]

You're changing the ingredients to get the same recipe

[opal dawn]

No setting up ambush points, being passive, or traps

[cursive magnet]

Honestly, i don't even think he is, but it's giving me strong "i'm old and cannot comprehend game mechanics" feels

[opal dawn]

Just buying the user time to catch up to bounty further away

[fallow topaz]

I'm not the one who has trouble with a card consumable

[random nimbus]

Idk, with how many times we've explained it, he'd have to be deliberately obtuse

[astral moss]

If you are a bounty team at a locked extract against a full long ammo team and an openfield in between, what are you supposed to do ?

[fallow topaz]

I just don't think y'all are as good as communicating as you think

[cursive magnet]

Some people aren't made for discussions, they're stuck in their opinion and other people simply can NOT be right about it

[astral moss]

Might be the opposite.

[fallow topaz]

Now I'm trolling

[random nimbus]

Can only rewrite the same thing so many times. If you still don't get it, then idk

[astral moss]

Too much troll in this discord. 🗿

[fallow topaz]

Your core issue is how players use the item

[cursive magnet]

That's the great thing about hunt, you can use any arsenal against anyone

[still totem]

imma get some coffee, y'all want somethin?

[fallow topaz]

Changing the item mechanics doesn't change the fact some players are hyper passive

[opal dawn]

Correct

[random nimbus]

It does, actually

[cursive magnet]

IF you got yourself into a situation without actual cover, it's on you, because you entered that risk (and there isn't really many of those places in hunt)

[tall canopy]

i might just start drinking at this point

[astral moss]

Bro i know but what i am supposed to use to cross an openfield ???
TELL ME ?

[cursive magnet]

Use cover or don't cross the field and shoot at people

[random nimbus]

Because it does not allow the same level of passivity if you change the mechanics

[opal dawn]

In a game like Hunt some people are going to be more passive, this is just removing or limiting the ability to be even more passive

[fallow topaz]

Uhhhhh idk I try smokes but also sometimes you gotta have faith

[astral moss]

Lol this is ridiculous.

[fallow topaz]

I think my end thought is "I don't know if this does that meaningfully"

[thin anchor]

thats what faith is

[fallow topaz]

Because what makes hunt passive is time to kill and death penalties

And people obsessed with little numbers

[astral moss]

Sorry but i am not relying on "faith" to win fight.
The people against me are capable of hitting bullet.

[cursive magnet]

Show me a picture of that "openfield" with zero cover.

[astral moss]

Did you ever play on Mammon ?

[cursive magnet]

Constantly, unfortunately

It's one of the maps with more cover

[astral moss]

[still totem]

There are legitimately places on each map where crossing is very dangerous due to lack of real cover. As a marksman player, those fields are my favorite places

[cursive magnet]

That's on the player for going into said area

It's a risk you're willingly taking

[random nimbus]

North part of Windy Run

[astral moss]

Like a tree of 30cm doesn't count as "cover" btw.

[cursive magnet]

Not coverless and the fenced in area is completely avoidable

[random nimbus]

Some extractions are also literally zero cover

[cursive magnet]

(as per design)

[still totem]

All around Healing Waters church, like 75% of the area around it is wide open too

[cursive magnet]

God forbid variety

[random nimbus]

Nice goal post move

First it was 'show me open field' to 'Avoid it' to 'God forbid variety'

[dreamy cave]

I use other hunters as cover

[astral moss]

Can we talk about lake too ?

[cursive magnet]

It'd be so boring if every place was the same

[astral moss]

Bro is just dodging evidence at this point.

[cursive magnet]

The maps are in the best state they've ever been in and i can't recall any place that's awful to play in nowadays

I don't see evidence

[astral moss]

You don't see a lot of thing.

[tall canopy]

still hate madonna underground and pitching underground

[random nimbus]

When someone pointed out an open area, you said to just avoid it, which is pretty strong evidence of what they said

[astral moss]

Like mammon is just an openfield with high ground at this point.

[random nimbus]

You just shifted the point to 'That doesn't exist' to 'Just don't go there'

[astral moss]

The compound design is great but bro there is nothing.

[tall canopy]

originally it was about no cover at extract points and not open fields in general

[frigid ibex]

Sup. Let's talk about the bow or something important

[astral moss]

Its the same.

[tall canopy]

[astral moss]

Like there is openfield everywhere even on extract.

[still totem]

i tried to bring up Terminus without levering, i was ignored

lol

[cursive magnet]

You have freedom, you don't have to enter the very few fully open areas in this game

[frigid ibex]

Hundred hands should let you rapid fire arrows.

So it really is hundred hands

[random nimbus]

It was both. 'Show me a picture of that "openfield" with zero cover'

[random nimbus]

If extraction is there you do

[opal dawn]

Fire a handful of arrows so it's like a shotgun

[cursive magnet]

Complaining about dying to people in open fields seems like crashing your car into a wall and then blaming the wall

[opal dawn]

Most players would appreciate that I think

[astral moss]

Bro is the master ragebaiter.

[cursive magnet]

Shush, circus grunt avoider

[astral moss]

Like i will do a flank of 5km just to play around the openfield of mammon.

[cursive magnet]

I just don't see the issue at all

[frigid ibex]

Idk man, that wall shouldn't have been placed there

[astral moss]

Simply unrealistic and you just refuse to see your bias here.

[cursive magnet]

I have never had any open field issues on mammos since 1896, i really, really do not understand your point

[still totem]

You really hate Mammon dont you lol

[tall canopy]

all extractions have cover. maybe the middle ones lack a bit

[cursive magnet]

I understand him, it's the worst map in the game lol

[astral moss]

Bro the design on this map is horrible.

[still totem]

Me, the Mammon enjoyer

[cursive magnet]

It looks fantastic but it plays like shit

[random nimbus]

This isn't true. There's a LOT of open road extractions with no cover beyond the boat or wagon

[astral moss]

Lol you never see the extract at the North of Mammon do you ?

[cursive magnet]

It's okay for extracts to not have cover

[astral moss]

Its just a car in a field lol.

[astral moss]

Me when horrible take:

[cursive magnet]

Do you want cover literally anywhere?

[random nimbus]

The Quarry extraction in Mammoms is notorious for being a fish in barrel moment

[cursive magnet]

A million wooden boxes on open fields?

[random nimbus]

Literally no cover while other people have high ground

[frigid ibex]

I feel like most extracts are too safe

[cursive magnet]

^

[astral moss]

YES !!!

[tall canopy]

dizz hop on and show me

[frigid ibex]

I'm not even home yet

[tall canopy]

[frigid ibex]

Haven't even left my worksite

[cursive magnet]

You have no idea how awful such game design is, really

And i dont wanna sound rude

[astral moss]

Its how a shooter is supposed to be design, if everything is just an openfield it favorite the long ammo enjoyer even more.

[still totem]

you dont have a laptop ready at all time to play??

how dare you

[astral moss]

Like the other map have big tree, wall of dirt and thing, mammon don't have that and have nothing.

[frigid ibex]

Laptops aren't game ready

Its a lie

By big nvidia

[hollow relic]

Damn the srpingfield with bleeding bullets is gooood

[still totem]

Thats what I use

[cursive magnet]

Saying that is the equivalent of "long ammo exists, so there shouldn't be any buildings"

There's forests, so there's the exact opposite, fields with hay bales, fences and a couple other things

[astral moss]

Idk how you don't see the diff with the other map and mammon.

[cursive magnet]

Other maps are more open than mammon

[astral moss]

Like at this point you just don't play the game.

[frigid ibex]

Mammon introduced double metal walls everywhere, literally tons of non pen compounds.

[tall canopy]

i love my wooden compounds, but mammons man

[cursive magnet]

See, I don't know where to go for you, i legitimately can't tell if you're ragebaiting or refusing to accept other opinions/facts

I think latter

[frigid ibex]

The following rework after release of mammons they added more double metal cover to older maps

[tall canopy]

yes

[cursive magnet]

The fact that you complained for days about not finding circus grunts when there were a ton per round is reinforcing my statement

[frigid ibex]

Might be both

[astral moss]

I am relying on fact, and you on false opinion.

[cursive magnet]

I see.

[astral moss]

Just 1 game on each map and its obvious mammon have less cover overall.

[cursive magnet]

That's factually not true

Whole map is covered in trees with the most amount of leaves you could shove your ass in

[astral moss]

"Tree" 🤦
Did you find tree of 30cm better than the wall of durt in the other map ???

[tall canopy]

mammons even has the best soft cover all around the map cause the trees dont derender on distance 💀

[astral moss]

Like its not even ragebaiting at this point, bro really think he got the good opinion.

[astral moss]

But tree of 30cm aren't cover... T_T

[cursive magnet]

They... are

Sir i just hid in one of them on clash and there were two teams all around me, not a single soul spotted me

In one of those "openfields" i might add

[astral moss]

you:

[cursive magnet]

Yeah, and there's you taking the picture refusing to see the leaves being four times as wide as the dude

[still totem]

I mean even a small amount of cover is better than no cover

at least you have a chance

[cursive magnet]

You know, I'm done argueing with you, these discussions go absolutely nowhere and you're straight up refusing to even think about that the other person might be right in at least some way

[astral moss]

Its still not enough to push or anything.

[cursive magnet]

And actual coverless situations in hunt just do NOT exist

If you honestly think so, you're dense

[tall canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/but-steel-is-heavier-than-feathers-confused-lost-funny-dumb-gif-11580898

[random nimbus]

I mean, when people pointed out those places, you just said to avoid them

They 100% do exist

[hollow relic]

The spark with poison can’t one shot no?

[still totem]

No

[cursive magnet]

Not a single soul with experience would step into north windy run when there's people around

[random nimbus]

Not without a headshot

[still totem]

I know this cause I got hit by it the other day lol

[hollow relic]

Okay

[random nimbus]

That's not the only place

[cursive magnet]

Never said it is, it applies to any of these

[astral moss]

Unless there is a tree of 30cm in this openfield obviously.

[random nimbus]

Almost the literal entire surrounding area of Healing Waters has no cover

[astral moss]

Is there tree ?

[still totem]

But... they do. I literally said 75% of the area around Healing Waters is open field with knee high grass. The fence is spaced enough where you're going to still be seen

[random nimbus]

The beetle one, but you have an 80m dash in the open after that

[astral moss]

Why aren't you in the debate from the start.

[random nimbus]

The lumber place on Desalle from South side, iirc, is no cover

[still totem]

The area south of Alice Farm, open field

[upbeat lark]

I hate cornfields

[random nimbus]

Hell, the Silo spawn at Moses Poultry was routinely a sniper haven from Kingsnake side

You SPAWN in an open field dash while an enemy team spawns on a cliff overlooking it

[still totem]

North of Pitching Crematorium is all open area too, with water to slow you down unless you have the Holy Gator Legs of Antioch

[uneven flax]

I just finished Weapons

god dang

[random nimbus]

The whole top left of Stillwater is open water

[uneven flax]

fun movie

[dense sleet]

you are left with 1 hp, the only rifle to one shot on body is the Nitro Express

[random nimbus]

The drilling shotgun is technically a rifle too

[cursive magnet]

Can you explain the issue here? There's always ways to safely go into there, and if you know open areas exist (which they have to, for variety, world building and balance), then maybe don't throw yourself into them, hurt yourself and then complain about it?

[dense sleet]

fuck you

[hollow relic]

And the Springfield with bleeding ammo is good?

[upbeat lark]

It's really good

[dense sleet]

it has some strong ass pressure and can be quite distusting in compounds

[upbeat lark]

Great budget gun half dum half normal ammo

[dense sleet]

BUT at range it lacks Muzzle velocity and Damage since its not a long ammo rifle. but it slaps for under 120 bucks if you do both slots with dumdum

[upbeat lark]

Or go full dum but it's 25 coins more expensive

[random nimbus]

Again, moving the goalposts. If the only option it to reroute to a specific area by going ALL the way around 3 compounds, then that means there's no cover.

[still totem]

I'm not complaining, I dont care about where I die. You cant always rotate completely around to the ONE area next to Healing Waters if you spawn somewhere that doesnbt make it easy

[dense sleet]

i love the Springfield with DumDum, its really gross tbh. obviously long ammo is better but if they dont stop their bleed or have bloodless they bleed out in just over a second and a half

[upbeat lark]

I remember that I am quite addicted to Springfield dum for about 2 or 3 prestige loop

[hollow relic]

Nice

[still totem]

You're talking to the Marksman person that thrives in no cover situations (when i hit my shots which is like 20% of the time)

[hollow relic]

With 2 seconds of bleed the enemie die

Ill try it

[cursive magnet]

Healing Waters specifically is built that you can't even camp all four sides of it, and there's cover on all but one angle of arrival

[hollow relic]

Yeah

[uneven flax]

healing waters suck as a compound

[upbeat lark]

I quite like using the Springfield shorty deadeye half dum half high velo with the bow or the cent shorty

[uneven flax]

thank god boss barely spawn there

[still totem]

Ok that great and all, but saying "just dont go there" is not exactly the best end all of arguments

[random nimbus]

Who said you have to camp inside? You can be Slaughterhouse/South side and see all the way to Darrow side and there's no cover

[dense sleet]

its literally the 2nd best compound on that map lol

the only saving grace shitwater

Lockbay is the other good one

[cursive magnet]

Just don't go there is saying that you should just not, go into a fully open area without cover. If you attack healing waters you WILL be using the fences and structures on the way there

[uneven flax]

i know youre catholic and all but healing waters suck

[dense sleet]

im not xD

[cursive magnet]

Just like you wouldn't take a single step into the inner area of north windy run

[dense sleet]

tried dating a catholic tho, that was interesting

[still totem]

I'd rather fight at Healing Waters than the other church map on.. i think Delta?

I dislike that one

[random nimbus]

A fence protects you from nothing that can pen

[dense sleet]

same map

[cursive magnet]

Oh madonnas church is a nightmare. but only because underground sounds are still buggy as hell

[dense sleet]

Church de Madonna is awful

healing waters is so much better

[cursive magnet]

it still protects in a way and penning doesn't do much damage anymore

especially the ones you can barely see through

[still totem]

Isnt there another one that has a more open grave yard around it?

[dense sleet]

thats the one

[uneven flax]

ah i know why healing waters suck

because the whole of stillwater bayou is buttcrack

god i hate that map

[dense sleet]

with the middle small church, small staircase down and a bunch of crypt entrances down into the basement

[cursive magnet]

Well at least stilwater isn't mommas gulch

[dense sleet]

mammons is better than stillwater

shitwater is the worst map

[still totem]

Mammon Gulch slander

[upbeat lark]

I do not like the church compound

[still totem]

[random nimbus]

That's not protection, that's tanking. Also, at those ranges people are going for headshots. Unless they have long ammo which you will NOT tank

[uneven flax]

mammon is so much fun

[upbeat lark]

Mostly cause theyvhave a bunker

[cursive magnet]

Shouldve seen when the only entrances to down there were the two long stairs and the stair inside the church...

[uneven flax]

mammon compound are absolute peak.

meanwhile i cant pick a good compound in stillwater

[upbeat lark]

Bunkers is so hard to push to for me

[astral moss]

Here is pretty much all the openfield i can think of on mammon.

[dense sleet]

ive played since beta

[ashen flume]

You missed that bit between mill,corn,malt? Right..looks very open

[still totem]

Its open but you have the corn stalks that can mask your movement

but it doesnt protect you from being shot

[fathom shale]

I wouldn't call the middle an open field

Bunch of cliffs and rocks there

That you can navigate around for cover

[ashen flume]

I think iv been in that bit...now i think of it..it is a cornfield but tbh still quite open

[astral moss]

Yeah i don't count the cornfield since technically you got visual cover.

[random nimbus]

Middle kinda acts like an open field at times with just how far you can be seen

It's not a 1:1

[ashen flume]

Tbh I havent played hunt in like a week..put an lfg down tho so ill have to wait and see

[cursive magnet]

w..wh i.. what i honestly don't get you. there's plenty of cover in most if not all of those?

[random nimbus]

But fighting up there is asking to get popped from long range

[ashen flume]

Did you just stutter over messaging?

[cursive magnet]

The cliffs and rocks are only 30cm wide 🤓

[tall canopy]

all of those areas can be easily avoided and most of them arent really open ares 😭

[astral moss]

Lol bro time to let down the ragebait.

[fathom shale]

Idk I wouldn't consider even like half of these circled areas open fields personally

[cursive magnet]

Yeah, the ignorance and refusal baffles me.

[ashen flume]

You sound like a redditor

[uneven flax]

you might be able to see a ton in mammon's but the amount of cover and varying terrain heights make things hard to hit

when youre shooting somebody who is at a slope, they can run in both X/Y planes and dodge your bullet

unlike in an open field where they can only dodge in X plane

[astral moss]

The simple fact it should be "avoided" make them a no man's land in most cases.

[shut forum]

whats the drama

i wana join

[uneven flax]

is crosshair overlay cheating

[ashen flume]

@shut forum arguing over this

[shut forum]

yes. next one

[tall canopy]

noone says it should be avoided lol

[hollow relic]

Damn I’m 5 mmr idk when i got it

[cursive magnet]

Dude sees open field, runs into it without cover nearby, complains about the field not having cover. self made issues, it sparked a huge discussion

[still totem]

If the game was ALL covered spots, it would be a camper fest with corner hiding. If it was all open fields, it would be a snipers haven. You have to have both. Yes I know some maps may have more of these than another but still

[shut forum]

gratz

[tall canopy]

the circles on that map are crazy ngl 😭

[random nimbus]

Holy bad faith retelling

[astral moss]

Crossing an openfield in hunt don't sound like a good strategy.

[ashen flume]

qué

[hollow relic]

Thhx

[shut forum]

me got no faith, nor good nor bad

[cursive magnet]

That's what makes the game fun. Every fight is different because it's not just a r6 siege map where everything is perfectly balanced to hold your hands

[uneven flax]

You guys are forgetting the perks of open field. Dodging bullets in an open field deals emotional damage to enemies

[fathom shale]

Depends if there's people around and if the time you need to take to go around is worth it

[still totem]

Can confirm, my morale has been hurt several times

[shut forum]

lost my faith after playing rdr2 for the first time

[ashen flume]

500 hours in seige here) that's because ubisoft MADE EVERY FUCKING MAP COMP..AND TILL THIS DAY IT PMO

[astral moss]

Yeah so if you know there is people at the other end, its just a death sentence to pass there.

[cursive magnet]

2000 hours and im mad they ruined my favourite game because of esports

[tall canopy]

high risk high reward. thats what the game mostly is about. taking risks. and most of the time when theres an enemy theres a safer path on the left and right side at those spots

[ashen flume]

EXACTLY

I havent played it in like 5 months

[astral moss]

What's the reward lol ?
The risk taken isn't proportional to going faster somewhere.

[frigid ibex]

They weren't hiding that? S1 they literally collaborated with the top players to make it more competitive

[dense sleet]

try 9k hours and semi pro

[shut forum]

not having to fight shotguns

[tall canopy]

have fun playing the game at this point.

talking against a wall lol

[still totem]

I admit I only have 347 hours in Hunt but you can't always go through the covered areas. I'll take the risk to move through an uncovered area but Im going to crouch around or find SOMETHING to mask my movement even if its only a little bit

[astral moss]

I am the "shotgun" in this scenario.

[tall canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277500347516321792/1371480590284750948/1x.webp

[shut forum]

well yea then its problematic

[astral moss]

That's what i am saying lol.

[ashen flume]

The fucks a semi pro..you are either pro..or not..anyway im pretty sure alot of us came away from seige because hunt has what seige doesnt do well

[dense sleet]

like i wasnt on an esports team

but i was in tournaments that made money, streamed and all and such

[frigid ibex]

Modern hunt showdown let's you have long range and shotgun at the same time. You can either go full-sized rifle small shotgun or other way.

[astral moss]

People just don't understand that those area (#hunt-general message) are just a no go for my play style.

[dense sleet]

i wasnt in ESPORTS, think of it like little league to put it blunt xD

[ashen flume]

So you are a pro?..not a semi pro..nice

[shut forum]

ye but they wont use theyr shotgun when in the open field

well

probably

[frigid ibex]

I mean that's what their mosin obrez drum is for

[shut forum]

some people still just rng you with a slug from 200m

[dense sleet]

i only say semi pro bc i wasnt on any big esport teams, basically just sister ones that the yused to "train" future "athletes"

[ashen flume]

Semi pros are like 15 year olds with piss bottles on their desk that sweat in 1V1s..

[astral moss]

I don't have one.

[frigid ibex]

Get one

It works

[cursive magnet]

So do you also explode when you have a rifle and sit in a building? These damn buildings ruining my rifle abilities, there's cover everywhere!

[flint jetty]

Huh idk how but I somehow got 100 blood bonds

[frigid ibex]

Its not even expensive

[opal dawn]

I can attest to this

[still totem]

Brother it aint that serious

[shut forum]

spend them

[dense sleet]

i couldnt compete in official esports bc i was 17 at that point

[frigid ibex]

Wasn't

[flint jetty]

I will when I get my 800 more bbonds in prestige

[astral moss]

I don't have rifle + pushing sniper is harder than pushing shotgun.

[ashen flume]

Did I hit a nerve?

[ashen flume]

Why not wait till you could

[dense sleet]

i was 17

i wasnt thinking

[still totem]

Uh... no? Just seemed like you were getting a little too fiesty over a semi-pro comment

[ashen flume]

So..whats stopping you from doing it again

[cursive magnet]

It's really not, both are about the same.

[still totem]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[dense sleet]

im 26 and im going to be a firefighter

[cursive magnet]

get outta here

[opal dawn]

BRO

[dense sleet]

and i dont play games like that anymore

[opal dawn]

Clanker Coins

[frigid ibex]

Bro

[ashen flume]

If you are talking about my overuse of swearing yeah that happens im 14 and british what do you expect?

[still totem]

Bro

[ashen flume]

10× better than a seige pro

[still totem]

British

[astral moss]

Anything that one shot work in cqc, try to kill a Mosin spitzer with a centi at 100m+.

[ashen flume]

God I hate Americans sometimes

[dense sleet]

i already build em, so i thought id give my hand at operating them as well

[astral moss]

Mosin obviously have advantage over the fight.

[cursive magnet]

I don't see the problem? That's fairly doable and doesn't differ much from mosin gameplay?

[cursive magnet]

And you have the advantage of being able to spam shots, they do not

[still totem]

Lets hug it out bro

[astral moss]

Yeah you don't see the problem but "pushing sniper is harder than pushing shotgun." is still a fact.

[cursive magnet]

I'd say it's the exact opposite but you do you.

[astral moss]

Wow bro, really change a thing.
(sarcasm.)

[frigid ibex]

All right can we move on and talk about something else now

I'm just bored ngl

[cursive magnet]

I like you man, i really do, but argueing with you hurts as you're insanely ignorant

[ashen flume]

🤓

[tall canopy]

h
o
p

o
n

[still totem]

I feel like the topic is a tug of war

[cursive magnet]

So i'll just never do that with you, ever again lol

[still totem]

and neither side is relenting

[astral moss]

Great argument.

[cursive magnet]

Exactly

[ashen flume]

I love arguing

Ggs

[frigid ibex]

To bed I go

[tall canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-disappears-gif-26399024

[ashen flume]

Im so hungry

Im having bacon later 😋

What are yall eating for dinner anyway

[tall canopy]

pasta and spinach

[opal dawn]

Whole roast with herbs, dauphinoise potatoes, mushrooms, caviar and a bottle of bordeaux wine

[ashen flume]

Rich ass mf over here

[opal dawn]

Or maybe a frozen pizza

[still totem]

Porterhouse steak

[ashen flume]

Fucking caviar

[opal dawn]

We'll see where the evening takes us

[ashen flume]

Thats more like it

[still totem]

that's it, just a bigass piece of beef

[shut forum]

sushi and redbull cactus

[ashen flume]

I love beef..porks tasty too..but you cant go wrong with cow

[still totem]

Amen brother

[random nimbus]

Their fire rates aren't far apart

[cursive magnet]

But ammo availability

[ashen flume]

And lamb..had a lamb kebab with shitloads of veg 2 days ago

[random nimbus]

Ammo boxes

[cursive magnet]

Nah stop it

[ashen flume]

Ammo boxes..I always have em on me

[random nimbus]

Also, considerably faster velocity and stronger retention

[ashen flume]

And med boxes..just seems good to have

[cursive magnet]

You don't carry a million boxes and we decided to end this endless discussion, thanks

[random nimbus]

Unless they just miss everything, you'll die in 2 hits

[ashen flume]

¿qué?

[opal dawn]

2x ammo boxes, recov + regen shot

[random nimbus]

I also assume you don't miss a million shots

[opal dawn]

30 rounds of spitzer for a trio baby 😎

[astral moss]

"That's untrue cause there is tree of 30cm in this openfield."

[dreamy cave]

Yall know theres ammo all around the map right?

[cursive magnet]

openfield is not a word btw

[astral moss]

[frigid ibex]

And on corpses