hunt-general

[remote moss]

oh no, youre uncultured

[full jungle]

Dudes a huge fraud and egotistical weirdo

[normal radish]

or the podcast

[normal radish]

i sadgely am regarding this

[remote moss]

anyway, the anticheat shenanigans go back to march of last year, as somewhere you can see articles about anyway

[fluid ivy]

Hello, a friend of mine tries to launch the game, the anti cheat window opens and then the game just close itself instantly, he tried to repair the files and even uninstall and reinstall the game, is there a fix for this ?

[normal radish]

but i remember some dude on a pdcast

[remote moss]

yeah, basically he seduced people with his voice so theyd listen to his thoughts, that were inaccurate and disproven and all that

[full jungle]

Where he disagreeed with a licensed therapist who was telling him he’s egotistical?

[remote moss]

but no one could talk shit about him because he was too popular

[normal radish]

OOOH no im not that uncultured

[fathom shale]

What CPU do they have?

[past compass]

It’s so funny cause I’m at 500 and tbh I get dunked on more often than I’d like to admit

[normal radish]

okay okay i see

[fluid ivy]

I7 12700KF

[normal radish]

you dont feel like cheating do ya

[remote moss]

too hard, fr

[remote moss]

nah, thats the way matchmaking is for hunt, it aint your fault

[normal radish]

so these shenanigans of anti cheat and stuff

[remote moss]

you get better, youre forced to learn extremely fast to compensate for lack of game knowledge against a vet

[past compass]

No no
I’m the opposite actually
I love making the game harder on myself

[normal radish]

they date back to about a year

[past compass]

I love playing to optimize and get better

[normal radish]

you good then, keep the grind up

[remote moss]

he had some wrong conclusions about it, and he shouldve been the easiest choice to understand what im talking about, lol

ye, its funny

[past compass]

With the downside that once I do that with most games I can’t really have fun with them anymore because I reach a point of optimized where I can’t go further and then can’t suck any fun outta the game

It’s why I stopped using meta stuff in hunt
And even barely use middle tier stuff

[remote moss]

nah thats fucking normal, lmao

youre alright, man

[normal radish]

i mean now that i think about it past 1.5 2 years have been crazy regarding major news of cheating and shit

[past compass]

like lebel used to be my go to now I rarely use stuff even as good as like the vetterli lol

[remote moss]

thats the wall most people reach, and stops them from being as "good as a pro"

[past compass]

Single shots have become my loving niche

[remote moss]

when the pro is just playing a more boring optimized piece of shit playstyle

stale as shit

[past compass]

no I mean in single player stuff as hunt is the only multiplayer game I play besides warthunder

[unique trail]

Waiting 10 mins and still havent found a match for clash

[remote moss]

oh, i dunno about that then

[unique trail]

@crytek fix this dumb weekly challenge

[normal radish]

hunt and warthunder are a demanding dou lol

[remote moss]

its actually tied to the pandemic timing, but yeah its more noticeable recently

[astral moss]

Me when i Mosin.

[past compass]

Hence why I only play them the rest is single player

And even in warthunder I love flying shitty planes and getting REALLY good with them

[remote moss]

or, more used anyway

[normal radish]

using a single weapon gets boring super fast if its good

[remote moss]

makes you better than most

[normal radish]

if its dogshit

imma love it like a child of mine

but that doesnt mean i dont like good guns

i just love the underdogs

[remote moss]

then there are the sleepers

broken but not popular, for some dumb reason

[normal radish]

those are the BEST

[remote moss]

explo crossbow, bornheim match, frag bows

[astral moss]

Avto.

[normal radish]

for me recently i have discovered sparks pistol

this shit SLAPS

[remote moss]

making your shot count is too difficult, no wonder they dont bring that monster around

[normal radish]

never realised how well it performs since i was infatuated with pax and uppercut

now its my main loadout

rival + sparkstool

[unique trail]

I completed the free story

[normal radish]

full fmj

[warped granite]

has anyone's game just crashed?

[astral moss]

No.

[warped granite]

the reconnect feature is kind of useless

[astral moss]

Yes.

[jaunty patio]

Always has been

[astral moss]

[warped granite]

great to hear that

i think it's my second time in my whole life that the game crashed, should i look into it? or just ignore it

dang it was a very good game

[remote moss]

ignore it until it happens consistently

[past compass]

I hate good guns

I hate feeling like my equipment carried me

Whenever I use the mosin I feel like the mosin won me the fights
When I use subsonic Maynard I KNOW I earned those wins

[normal radish]

in hunt that feeling is not as strong as in most other games

[past compass]

I’m just SUPER autistic about it lmao

[wheat pilot]

Eh I never really feel that in hunt

[astral moss]

Avto dont carry me guys i swear.

[past compass]

It’s more apparent in warthunder

[mortal cove]

Yeah, me when the Winfield carries me to my victory

[normal radish]

sure some guns feel less rewarding, but no gun in hunt carries

[past compass]

Winfield?
That gun isn’t in hunt

[normal radish]

it is though

how do you win fights in the field? winfield haha sorry

[past compass]

that’s dumb I love it

[royal cloak]

Ive never seen it be useful

[past compass]

Also
Ngl
Sparks sniper kinda sucks after using Maynard for so long

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[mortal cove]

It ehm Always worked flawlessly for me lol

Unless the entire server infrastructure buckles ofc

[normal radish]

you and your technical advantages

[mortal cove]

Like with the recent AWS outages

[royal cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-7142831182576619574

[normal radish]

reminder the TAU are the weakest species despite ther superior tech in warhammer

[opal dawn]

Tau stans in my Hunt General?

[remote moss]

TAU gang

[mortal cove]

Having an actually guaranteed stable PC makes a lot of games just... work

[remote moss]

too many armored superhuman fetishists around

TAU is therapeutic

[mortal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-pingeveryone-gif-18070386

[royal cloak]

Thats a thing?

[past compass]

tau when a khorne bloodthirster tanks a railgun to the chest and axes their tank in half

[remote moss]

bro

[mortal cove]

Wanted to send a different gif

[remote moss]

yes

[mortal cove]

I will stick with that one

[normal radish]

its either the humans or DA FKING BOIZ GET DEM GITZ WAAAAGH

[opal dawn]

One like and I'll use modmail as an lfg

[remote moss]

the only happy species in that universe

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-smh-wrong-no-gif-1591070933604987795

[past compass]

I’d say in terms of best matchups vs tau
probably gaurd, orks and necrons

guard just straight up out manpowers them by a factor of like a quadrillion
Same with orks
and necros just out tech them

[normal radish]

what color would make the orks smart

[opal dawn]

Always figured yellow as a sharp and smart type of color

[past compass]

purple, cause have you ever seen a dumb purple ork?
I think not

They’re all too smart to be seen

[royal cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-at-camera-go-my-scarab-flying-rhino-beetle-gif-13437238262321750075

[opal dawn]

Now we're thinking

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[normal radish]

BUT PERPEL MAKEZ YOUZ INVIZIBLEZ

[wicked fox]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-awkward-awkward-dog-staring-dog-patchibana-gif-13086408744970718509

[past compass]

ok actually daemons might hard counter tau too

[normal radish]

they are soft good hearted short living creatures

[royal cloak]

Read that in a french accent

[normal radish]

they gon get hard countered by kindness

[opal dawn]

Daemons really are

[normal radish]

its all part of te plan

[normal radish]

ah fk i did, what magic you used to force me to do it

i dont even know french a bit

i thought they are a fictional race made in expedition 33

[opal dawn]

The game did so well it broke reality and made them real

[normal radish]

do they make gun and swords out of bread crumbs like in game?

at will

[opal dawn]

Eh... Not everything translated into irl physics

Now, a day old baguette can certainly be wielded as a club

[normal radish]

oh so were safe, not gonna have a 16 year old french girl deal 9 million damage

[opal dawn]

Well, the baguettes do get quite hard

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-baguette-toy-cute-gif-16071533

[normal radish]

its funny because our baguettes dont

like they get stale but not hard

maybe because they are not french lol

[opal dawn]

They get actually hard, like only useful as breadcrumb hard

[normal radish]

oh damn

then i guess they get baked differently here

[opal dawn]

Crispy

[normal radish]

they are more fluffy here

[opal dawn]

If you smack 'em into the counter there's baguette pieces everywhere

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-sons-chaos-sorcerer-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marine-thousand-sons-flaming-sword-gif-16742614

[timber cosmos]

been seeing so many cheaters lately man its crazy

[opal dawn]

I wish there was any decent african & middle eastern restaurants around here

[timber cosmos]

I'm very restrictive with whom I hackusate but some of these dudes are just blatant

[normal radish]

yeh i know man, you know whats crazier? half of them aint even cheating

[astral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-ooh-regular-show-gif-5715487

[normal radish]

i wish i knew some i could recommend

but sadly i have not inflitrated your data bank and i dontknow where you live (yet)

(some)

[opal dawn]

Hide the name, then you can share

[astral moss]

• i can be a bait, i know some people that change ther name to look like cheater.

[timber cosmos]

I literally almost never accuse anyone of hacking Idk what your beef is

[normal radish]

its not a beef bro chill, its just that since how hunt is, a lot of people make a lot of false accusations

and i said half, thats generous

[royal cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/restraint-no-restraint-hold-me-back-gif-13416230

[remote moss]

more like its hard to believe without video proof, which is spectate only and limited since hunts spectate is ass

normal aim looks like cheaters because it snaps for no fucking reason in spectate even if its smooth on stream, and all that

[normal radish]

yeh even when i spectate my teammates it appears as snaps

even though they fking miss that snap lmaao💀

[remote moss]

only way to detect it are the rare ones that just full trace, which is a hard toggle most dont do cause thyere closets

[royal cloak]

Hunt debates

[remote moss]

but it looked good to watch, at least

[wicked fox]

They said, "I still use Reshade" on their Steam profile.

[remote moss]

you still can, though?

[normal radish]

im that dude in the back cheering

[normal radish]

through means, its banned to use in hunt

afaik

[remote moss]

yea, banned if youre using it normally

well, forced to turn it off anyway

[normal radish]

and not if through means

[remote moss]

mhm

[timber cosmos]

I almost never thought there was cheaters in this game until very recently but my mmr has been climbing

[normal radish]

so yeh karyu dono its not beef with you its just normal stuff

[crystal bay]

People will set up salt farming profiles too like that one so do your best to avoid getting baited with them

[timber cosmos]

Look I totally get the blowing off peoples hackusations because there's always that guy that goes around saying everyone's cheating but when there's literally a dude posting about it on his steam profile Idk what else you want

[normal radish]

a lot of us here are vets at max brackets saying the stuff that we do

[royal cloak]

Its so hilarious

[remote moss]

dw, the actual cheater count is relatively low nowadays. it used to be at least one every three games on small playerbase in asia and russia

[normal radish]

i have about 100 comment calling me a cheater in different languages, am i one? no. do i keep them ? yes

[remote moss]

thats a pretty insane amount, but its also back when 6 star was some bs to stay and get into

[astral moss]

Having an image on profil didn't prove much.

[timber cosmos]

I'm not proving anything

[astral moss]

Exactly.

[timber cosmos]

The response in here is the real salt farming

[normal radish]

i mean i used to get into and stay in it, but againt. not hackers swarming the lobbies and all. youd get one in a blue moon or so

[remote moss]

its region dependent, its much better when youre not well, over there

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/لييوو-gif-16809754927858649993

[wicked fox]

On my Steam profile I have no accusations of cheating but I get teased about sounding like Batman in VOIP.

[normal radish]

i only played eu ever so i dont know about the any where else tbf

[timber cosmos]

"hey guys Im cheating in hunt showdown here's me cheating on my steam profile"

"Dang I don't know man you're crazy for thinking he's cheating"

[astral moss]

Me too, i am playing melee, nobody think i am cheating...

[normal radish]

we didnt say that specific one isnt

i didnt

i said

some

[crystal bay]

unfortunately, people will put images like that just to bait people into rage commenting and stuff like that

[normal radish]

or half

[remote moss]

youre good, man

[crystal bay]

People in this discord have seen that so many times, so they have grown used to it and skeptical which isn't necessarily the best response

[wicked fox]

Melee is so fun in this game and it's very underrated.

[crystal bay]

but most of the cases end up being people just rage baiting, and unless you have a video or something it's hard to say anything either way

[astral moss]

Seems like it work too.

[timber cosmos]

Well I mean the dude himself doesn't piss me off but i think it's a little concerning that I mention it here and everyone is just like yeah bro fake and gay

[astral moss]

Yes !!!!

[normal radish]

we literaly said WHY you got this response

[remote moss]

its a form of gatekeeping, to be fair

[normal radish]

me and 4 other guys

[timber cosmos]

You're ragebaiting me not him lol

[remote moss]

five guys

[normal radish]

yes he is ragebaiting you lol

[timber cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-shield-banging-rahhhh-medieval-gif-9878540910472601654

[deft cipher]

Anyone any idea how to get up there?

Arden Parish

[astral moss]

What make you think that ?

[astral moss]

You can't.
Problem solve.

[deft cipher]

Not helpful

[crystal bay]

Dead body up there is why they ask

[normal radish]

what would that be hmm

[crystal bay]

Did you kill them up there or could some weird thing have caused their body to phase through roof?

[remote moss]

isnt that just a body glitching through the floor on the roof, lol

try going outside and climbing the ladder on the tower

[deft cipher]

He killed me from there and then my team mate killed him up there

He 100 % was up there

[remote moss]

oh cool, parkour

[crystal bay]

Hmmm that's a place I haven't seen before

[astral moss]

Sound like a bug exploit, cause normally you can't go there.

[remote moss]

try spam vaulting random objects on the other side until you get up there, fr

[normal radish]

thats new

[astral moss]

Are you encouraging people to bug exploit ?

[remote moss]

im just saying, its usually some funny vault places

[normal radish]

yeh

[remote moss]

you totally should not definitely not bug exploit to get to random places

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

OH JOLLY i got another hacusation comment tonight and in a nice language too

[astral moss]

Bruh.

Why nobody think i am cheating...

[normal radish]

i wear them like a medal

highest honor a gamer can achieve

[astral moss]

[normal radish]

oh i cant post it here lol, must have said something bad

[timber cosmos]

Dude i've gotten some vile things said on my profile about cheating in hunt shit I can't even say here

[royal cloak]

People thought i was hacking in r6 a lot

[normal radish]

they do be doing that in all shooters some more than others

[normal radish]

but are you cheating

[royal cloak]

True

[remote moss]

they probably do but you need to do very specific things to bait out a rage response, they probs just reported and left it at that

[astral moss]

With the ammount of wallbang player do in R6.

[remote moss]

in siege, i get called a cheater cause i play like a bot on 60 fov

i just hardscope and swing

lol

[normal radish]

60 fov

thats focus

determination

and probably

tunnel vision

[remote moss]

stupid

[normal radish]

or that, i didnt say it

[remote moss]

i use it primarily for an advantage of defense side now that we have no scopes

[normal radish]

ah how i miss acog on smg11

[remote moss]

shits objectively better than 90 fov if youre purely looking at 1v1ing someone

[normal radish]

thats like eons ago

[remote moss]

dude, go play the event once siege is back up

you can play with acog on smg 11 and 416C

[normal radish]

how so

WHAT NO SHIT

[remote moss]

smh

so basically you get two modifiers to choose like a chicken on your screen and the acog guns

and the 10 players vote for which one they want

[normal radish]

well imma instal it solely for that purpose

[remote moss]

its an ass event but good nostalgia

[normal radish]

but AFTER this mess is cleaned

[acoustic imp]

swan song or altar boy call it

[remote moss]

swan song

looks generally better, altar boy gets old faster cause its too reliant on flashiness

[normal radish]

both good

but id call altar boy

im a gold digger

[remote moss]

if you want the glammer, altar boy. if you want rugged glorious sustained beauty, swan song

im definitely not biased

[acoustic imp]

i just went for first reply

[remote moss]

BOOM

[acoustic imp]

i like em both and i was tired of not having a base lebel skin

its just a placeholder until i get wolfsbane

best weapon skin in the game btw

[remote moss]

to you, yes

and thats all that matters

[acoustic imp]

alr buddy

[raven totem]

wolfsbane

[astral moss]

Still waiting for a bomb lance skin.

[deft cipher]

So noone has an idea?

Can't find anything on YouTube either.

[cursive magnet]

There's a ton

[astral moss]

Yeah but not buyable.

[cursive magnet]

theres at least one purchasable

two with the newer blue one

[wide whale]

The dlc with the swamp guy and the cool coat

[astral moss]

Wait a min.

!Wiki

[graceful hedge]

For more up-to-date information for Hunt: Showdown 1896 you can check out the wiki here: https://huntshowdown.wiki.gg/

If you have the time and knowledge we would love to see more people help with adding relevant information to it!

[astral moss]

Ok so there is 3 buyable skin out of 5.

[raven totem]

I can say I do love the new specter skin, that thin claps

the glow in the dark, great shit

[wicked fox]

I would like a trait similar to Martialist for the Combat Axe. 🪓

[crystal bay]

Martialist should just apply to em all

Which seems to be their plan eventually

[wicked fox]

Really? That would be awesome.

[past compass]

I want a deadeye aperture

[crystal bay]

Deadeye you can put down?

[past compass]

No

a rifle with a deadeye sight and an aperture sight

[astral moss]

Nitro.

[mystic mulch]

what would the purpose of that be?

[past compass]

Deadeye for close range and aperture for long range

[wicked fox]

The power of the Nitro can not be over estimated. Even in poor visibility. 🌧️

https://youtu.be/UVFDT4tqYu0?si=Cl96mDYQIHeMvqzO

[mystic otter]

I'm gonna start using decoys and pray that it helps with stalemates

[mighty lynx]

probably won't

[mystic otter]

who knows

[astral moss]

The instant crouch walk when you hear the grunt. T_T

[random nimbus]

Is that console?

[wet locust]

which small slot weapon can match high velo ammo for vetterli?

[random nimbus]

Scottfield

[wet locust]

is vetterli ammo compact?

[random nimbus]

Vetterli is medium ammo

[wet locust]

this works thanks

[wicked fox]

Exactly, I use those sounds like an alarm. ⏰

[astral moss]

[past compass]

ok I just realizing something funny

so long ammo retains damage better than medium and medium better than compact over range right?

And yet the bullet drop of the 3 is reversed
Meaning compact retains energy the best
Which just saying
Changing it to where long ammo loses more damage over range than medium and medium more than compact could shake up the meta

[random nimbus]

Then what's the point of it being Long ammo?

[past compass]

Better pen damage retention
better velocity
Better base damage

[random nimbus]

The base damage difference isn't really that much compared to most medium guns

[past compass]

yes but the velocity is massively different

[random nimbus]

Which means it should drop and lose damage less because they're moving faster

Inverting that concept like they did with drop is just an assbackwards way of balancing an issue that can be solved in other ways.

[past compass]

ok yes but during that patch they explicitly stated they were doing the opposite of realism for balance reasons

[random nimbus]

And that decision was one of the dumbest things they ever did

[past compass]

How would you solve/help the long ammo dominated meta?

[past compass]

No

[random nimbus]

Yes.

[twilit folio]

It’s like

[ancient ocean]

Just played a game where we ran the gauntlet and our only encounter with another player was our .5 kd random getting his head blown off from 100m out

Awesome

[random nimbus]

Also, been saying for years that they need to reduce the base damage of repeating long ammo.

[twilit folio]

50 bmg is a big round

But

It has noticeable drop

It’s heavier

[mystic mulch]

uh.

[twilit folio]

Trying to explain idk

[mystic mulch]

Heavier things don't fall faster.

[random nimbus]

That 50 BMG isn't going to be outranged by a .223

[mystic mulch]

Gravity is the same.

[random nimbus]

Or 5.56 if you prefer that caliber

[twilit folio]

Depends

223 wylde

[mystic mulch]

Generally flight time for a certain distance will be the determining factor for how much something falls.

[past compass]

I mean no
50bgm
doesn’t have a lot of drop
And it retains its velocity super well because it’s heavy
The longest sniper shot ever recorded was with a TAC-50

[twilit folio]

[crystal bay]

in vacuum yes

[twilit folio]

Trying to explain it in a easy way to understand idk

[crystal bay]

But also air resistance has less effect on heavy

[twilit folio]

Game wise

[past compass]

people forget some 50bmg rounds push 4000 feet per second

[random nimbus]

There is no situation where a 50BMG is going to hit the ground before a 5.56

[twilit folio]

They do

[tall canopy]

but steel is heavier than feathers

[crystal bay]

But also, it's a trade off for long ammo so i won't complain

[past compass]

Game wise makes no sense

[twilit folio]

Idk how the game works

[crystal bay]

[mystic mulch]

need this in M16A4s per second.

[crystal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/but-steel-is-heavier-than-feathers-confused-lost-funny-dumb-gif-11580898

[twilit folio]

Idk I’ve always been a showdown meat rider 😭

[raven totem]

they even openly stated it's being gamed.

[twilit folio]

Just trying to justify

[past compass]

game wise is
Heavy bullet drop more because of BALANCE reasons which they stated conflict with IRL

[twilit folio]

I’m having withdrawals

[past compass]

which I agree with nerfing long ammo more than medium or compact

[twilit folio]

I haven’t played in a week

[past compass]

you don’t have to rationalize the game balance decision when they said they were doing it for game balance at the cost of realism

[random nimbus]

At this point, they aren't going to nerf long ammo. They're just buffing everything else

[twilit folio]

[raven totem]

yup, been that since 1896

[past compass]

Both work

[raven totem]

with long getting the most diminishing returns on recent changes

[random nimbus]

Again, they are not going to nerf long ammo.

[past compass]

but tbh
Idk how they’d ever bring compact or medium to compete with long

[random nimbus]

They've shown it won't happen.

[raven totem]

they've done everything but say it out loud

just what it is

[random nimbus]

They will just buff everything else to better compete with it

And long ammo still always comes out on top

[past compass]

If they bring compact or medium to compete stats wise they still lose via pen and damage retention

[raven totem]

I wonder if they'll do anything abotu recent trends, mosin upper is becomeing rampant again

[random nimbus]

Once we get to the point it finally does get dethroned, the game will just be an even more powercrept mess

[sage belfry]

Kinda sad that even with hv ammo. the martini has worse velocity and drop off then the sparks lol

[past compass]

so medium and compact guns would need stat ADVANTAGES over long to be in line with them which they’d never do

[past compass]

martini is an old black powder rifle

[raven totem]

rof is typically the stat they have the advantage in

[past compass]

But also 33mps doesn’t really matter much and the better fire rate on martini feels good

[mystic mulch]

Give us thr full length martini and all problems will be solved.

[twilit folio]

isn’t the vetterli?

iirc

[mystic mulch]

We currently have some silly Carbine.

[random nimbus]

So is the sparks

[raven totem]

double barrel martini when?

martini shorty when?

[past compass]

I could’ve sworn sparks was smokeless but I could be wrong

[random nimbus]

Nope, it's black powder

[twilit folio]

I believe it is

[sage belfry]

Fr the martini gets no love, I personally enjoy the gun but it always feels like i'm just playing a weaker version of what I should be using

[mystic mulch]

why would it be smokeless?

[twilit folio]

Nvm lol

utrtggh

[mystic mulch]

it's even older than the martini no?

[random nimbus]

The Sharps was even using the old paper catriges before we had brass ones

[past compass]

even the full length martini only pushed 400mps same as in game

They gave the carbine version the full barrel velocity lol

[sage belfry]

Also not only is sparks better then hv martini it also cost less lol

[twilit folio]

a modernized sparks, not today modern

[mystic mulch]

Okay but they clearly aren't taking too many cues from real life for bullet performance.

[random nimbus]

They were

[mystic mulch]

were

[random nimbus]

Bullet drop was one of the biggest departures from that

Then they made the Berthier do more damage than the Lebel despite using the same exact bullet

[past compass]

I mean yeah but they can’t give martini more velocity without just
Beating the sparks out lol

[random nimbus]

But the Berthier is a carbine with a MUCH shorter barrel

[raven totem]

the berthiar thing really doesn't matter

[mystic mulch]

I'm not a big fan of the way its in the game.

[random nimbus]

It does to a nerd like me with one of those weapons

[twilit folio]

I think this is the fall of using blanketed ammo type

Like

[mystic mulch]

It just feels unnatural.

[random nimbus]

I'm also just sick of how much they keep buffing the Berthier

[twilit folio]

Not 45-70 and 8mm lebel

Just long ammo

[past compass]

I love how you use that
Cause the round the lebel used has more muzzle energy than the mosin and should realistically be the hardest hitting round in the game lol

[raven totem]

it doesn't because the same reason long rifles are bullshit, they two tap no matter what in most playable ranges

[mystic mulch]

Make Lebel deal 148.

[past compass]

God no

[random nimbus]

That's not an issue of the weapon specifically. That's because limb damage is off the damn rocker right now

[raven totem]

same reason limg damage doesn't actually matter on long

[past compass]

just pointing out the games realism issues lol

[raven totem]

games not realistic, was pointed out by crytek themselves, I don't feel like digging to quote them

it's gamed

[past compass]

I would like more rifles in the 140 damage range with drawbacks though

[random nimbus]

Some realism obviously doesn't matter in the context of balance. But there comes a point where it's just so badly done that it's no longer a matter of realism vs balance and just poor balance

[raven totem]

I think we've enough

[past compass]

Gimme a bolt action gun that hits hard but can’t use iron eye damnit!

[raven totem]

double barrel martini, I'm telling ya

[past compass]

PTRD

[stuck tusk]

Sparks with aperture sight :B

[mystic mulch]

Like the 1865 carbine?

[raven totem]

sparks aperture sounds neat

[past compass]

Yes exactly like that
Love that gun

[past compass]

I agree

[hasty wharf]

you can just not take iron eye

[raven totem]

crytek seems to be stepping away from gun varients currently right now

[past compass]

I think more guns need aperture
It’s such a cool thing

[random nimbus]

Aperture is a wasted thing, imo

[raven totem]

at least in the non scarce kind

[random nimbus]

Nobody uses them for the aperture

[hasty wharf]

hell, "cant use iron eye" is a positive for me, since it means i'm not forced to take the trait or use a nerfed version of the gun

[past compass]

Cause the sparks only has a pistol and a scoped variant rn it’s sad

[raven totem]

I do on lebel

[fathom shale]

Only problem is they would have to add a new keybind or a hold vs press interaction just for that since X is already used for swapping ammo

[twilit folio]

Weapon niches

[hasty wharf]

silencer and pistol silencer

[stuck tusk]

Sparks (Sharps) aperture is what was used in "Quigley Down Under"

[random nimbus]

I take lebel aperture for the skin. The aperture itself is trash

[past compass]

They’re dead and buried
They don’t exist

[raven totem]

aw shit you're right, sweet dreams sparks aperture

I never knew ye

[crystal bay]

Hold x

or double tap

or

[random nimbus]

Hold X for a different feature isn't a bad idea

[raven totem]

controller implications?

[random nimbus]

We already do it for light/heavy attacks

[fathom shale]

Also aperture went from meme to just plain meh ever since bullet drop was added

[past compass]

Ngl

[raven totem]

it still has uses

[fathom shale]

Easier to aim at long range with plain irons than aperture imo

[past compass]

Add like 30-50m to all drop ranges

[raven totem]

my eye sight is dogshit so

[random nimbus]

Those uses are so few and far between that nobody really uses them

I take Mako aperture for the skin

[past compass]

Same
It’s why im a scopes enjoyer

[random nimbus]

And I never see the aperture of any other weapon besides the Lebel, and even that's rare

[mystic mulch]

eh. at that point why even have it in the game.

[random nimbus]

Wolfsbane is 10/10 skin tho

[raven totem]

well if hv didn't get straight roasted it would be good for winfeild still be we see thats irrelivent now. lebel is the only aperture that exists really

I gotta unfavorite the banned emoji lol, keep almost clikcing it.

[random nimbus]

I feel that if they didn't nuke HV, the Marksman and Sniper Winnie would just get used more than the Aperture

[stuck tusk]

I actually still like the aperture on the nitro, even though it's purposely there to hamper useability. Lol. The Trailstalker skin is bugged right now, though. I just posted about it in bug-reports

[mystic mulch]

Yeah at least then you can see more than a peep hole.

[raven totem]

winnie hv used to be so good, they really kicked it in the balls

[random nimbus]

Side note, please revert like 1 of the nerfs HV got

[raven totem]

something

[random nimbus]

Sledgehammer balancing isn't fun

[crystal bay]

Preferably the HV part of it

[raven totem]

at least in scope of compact

[mystic mulch]

which one?

[random nimbus]

I'd take the velocity back

[crystal bay]

That was the cherry on top

[random nimbus]

If you take my ammo and damage, I better get more than 100ms

[crystal bay]

nerfing 3 things including the thing that it's for

[raven totem]

to be fair

we did hype the fuck out of it

[random nimbus]

It was good

[crystal bay]

That's cause it had no downsides

[raven totem]

when we heard infinite headshot range

[random nimbus]

But nerfing HV 3 times while spitzer only got a measly 2 ammo loss is just criminal

[raven totem]

I'm so fucking sick of mosin spitzer, ermergawd

fffffffffffffff

[random nimbus]

Same, and I've been using it on the Obrez drum

It's too good

I can pen everything

[past compass]

To prevent what they added it for
snipers shooting at you from like 300 meters

180 rn is the MAX

And that’s on the Springfield of all guns

[random nimbus]

Getting sniped from extreme ranges wasn't even much of an issue, in my experience

Also, Maynard has the highest range, iirc

[past compass]

Agreed

nope

[raven totem]

I remember when I was hoping the krag would have been medium ammo

[mystic mulch]

does this even happen? did it happen before?

[raven totem]

oh ho buddy

[mystic mulch]

That was a silly thing to hope for from the onset lmao.

[raven totem]

at that time vetterly was ass, and we lacked a decent budget bolt action

[random nimbus]

I would get popped by mosin spitzer snipers before drop was added, but very rarely was it from people sitting 200m out.

95% of the time, it was iron sights

[raven totem]

the solo spitzer snipers, I'm so glad they're gone

[random nimbus]

The solo rats were the ones doing that, yeah

[past compass]

Same base of 160 as spring but spring gets 20 with high velo Maynard only gets 10
So 170 Maynard vs 180 spring

[random nimbus]

Just waiting for someone to hold still

[mystic mulch]

I was under the impression that people hyped spitzer for being basically hitscan at normal ranges.

Not for utility at 200+

[random nimbus]

Interesting. I'd still say Maynard has the upper hand with the velocity difference tho

[raven totem]

that as well, thats a tad more of a recent trend.

[past compass]

Ngl
Only like 60mps

[raven totem]

solo kd farming snipers used to be a massive pain in the ass

[random nimbus]

That can matter at extreme ranges

[past compass]

and spring has the faster reload for follow up

[mystic mulch]

Recent? Most of my impressions of anything in this game are well over 2 years old.

[random nimbus]

But most people would probably just run silent maynard at those ranges to turbo rat

[past compass]

Me
I do this rn anyways

[random nimbus]

Less need to reload fast and shoot again if nobody knows where tf you are

[raven totem]

I've been playing for almost 7 years, recent might be a poor choice of words

[past compass]

Out to 250 I’m comfortable with drop and always bring an eyeglass

[mystic mulch]

is 2022 recent?

[random nimbus]

Not for game life, I would say

[mystic mulch]

That was the last time I played hunt before this year.

[random nimbus]

2022 was a lot different in terms of how weapons are vs now

[mystic mulch]

I noticed.

[raven totem]

kinda, spiter on base mosin didn't become super popular untill jz2p came onto the scene, now everyone just wants to copy cat him

[random nimbus]

Long ammo was still king, but that's just universal

[mystic mulch]

They changed all the names.

[past compass]

Tbh

[random nimbus]

I hate most of the name changes

[past compass]

Outside of sniping spitzer isn’t really worth it

[raven totem]

thats goofy talk

[random nimbus]

Cannot disagree more

Spitzer is godly on irons

And I hate it

[crystal bay]

The mass amount of mosin spitzer I run into disagrees D:

[random nimbus]

Because it's everywhere

[raven totem]

it's just so consistent

[mystic mulch]

They even got rid of the IC1 from the Martini. for no reason.

[past compass]

also fair

[random nimbus]

You have no damage loss on first pen, insane velocity, better drop.

[past compass]

Add another single shot
And my life IS YOURS

[random nimbus]

At most compound ranges, it's basically hitscan

[raven totem]

like we had veriety for a bit, and then spitzer uppercut has just spread like wildfire again.

[past compass]

Wait spitzer has no damage loss on first pen wtf?

[random nimbus]

Nope, only ammo with a 1.0 modifier on first pen

[crystal bay]

Nitro too

[random nimbus]

FMJ is .9

[past compass]

I retract my former statement if that’s the case

[random nimbus]

Well, I don't count the nitro for most things. It's a unique beast

[crystal bay]

I mean it is a good comparison that that's the only other ammo that does what spitzer does

[past compass]

My thought process was recused base damage making 2 shots and wall bangs less consistent but nope
Nvm

[crystal bay]

Since it is a different beast

[mystic mulch]

I've only landed a single hit with the nitro in recent memory. (It didn't kill)

[raven totem]

did we have a match last time we played where we saw 6 sets of mosin spitzer

[random nimbus]

You also get more pen with spitzer

[past compass]

everytime I use nitro I can never manage to land a shot

[crystal bay]

Heck not just a single match

[random nimbus]

So no damage loss and more pen on top.

[crystal bay]

That was the day i saw THE most mosin spitzer

[wicked fox]

It’s clunky but dangerous.

[crystal bay]

at least 3-4 mosin spitzers a match we played

And we played for a good long while too

Somehow the matches went decent

[raven totem]

it doesn't matter due to brackets but our team proly had like 12k hours in total lol

[random nimbus]

Most games we play is just count the mosins you hear

[past compass]

dude mood

[random nimbus]

At least half of them are spitzer

At least

[past compass]

I had a game earlier where of the 11 other people
10 had Mosin spitzer uppercut

[hasty wharf]

i think the biggest drawback of spitzer is the ammo but ammoboxes exist in the state they do rn

[mystic mulch]

I feel like I actually don't run into too many Mosins at all. Let alone mosin spitzers.

[random nimbus]

If they don't have spitzer, they likely have an uppercut with possible FMJ for the pen

[past compass]

one guy was running auto 5 bow

[random nimbus]

I envy you

[crystal bay]

Spitzer + FMJ was what we ran into most that day

so why not both

[mystic mulch]

a man after my heart.

[random nimbus]

I'm so sick and tired of fighting mosins

And I say that when running the Obrez Drum

[raven totem]

it's getting old

[past compass]

You WILL fight meta slop and you WILL enjoy it because it’s SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY

[random nimbus]

Running a Sparks is pure pain vs a trio of mosins

[crystal bay]

Feels good to kill em though

[raven totem]

ya I had a frontier 73 c challenge this week, that was frustrating

[random nimbus]

Just a lot harder knowing I can't use any cover or shoot back once for every 3 times they shoot me

[mystic mulch]

Being on console might have something to do with it but Russianbias over there is also Console so maybe I'm just lucky.

[past compass]

I’m high 6star

[random nimbus]

We also tend to run into a lot of the same people

[mystic mulch]

Somehow, I've ended up there too.

[raven totem]

the same people that never run anything but mosin, ever

comically cards just enhance this

[random nimbus]

Like, we lose to a team of Mosins and win, then run into them the very next game and they have the exact same loadouts

[mystic mulch]

I don't feel particularly good at the game but my MMR hasn't dropped in about a month now.

So I guess I'm just stuck here.

[stuck tusk]

I've been legitimately trying to use it again lately because it's just so fun to play - but with the shotgun slug buff it basically only 1-hits out to a slightly longer range than the Rival. Pretty sad for the cost... The penetration is still the only real strong point. (And boss damage...)

[random nimbus]

That's why I feel balance should prioritize the high elo without ignoring the average.

High elo is where stuff gets exploited to the max and you can see how strong stuff really is

[astral moss]

Mosin...

[random nimbus]

Spitzer...

[raven totem]

if only we say the army of bow and auto 4 meta trouncing on us, the troves of them unbeatable

[mystic mulch]

Dolch?

[random nimbus]

Dolch is frequent too, yes

Tho less than uppercut, in my experience

[brazen kernel]

I dont think its nice to lie to new players for example thinking its a real person

[astral moss]

This secondary didn't exist anymore.

[brazen kernel]

so they literally programmed a bot to lie its not a bot

[fathom shale]

I don't think it's nice to call someone a bot when they aren't one

[brazen kernel]

why remove my pictures? where should I post?

[raven totem]

some poor old dude is trying his best

[random nimbus]

I still see it often enough, though the uppercut is more frequent.

[mystic mulch]

Being bad at the game is illegal.

[random nimbus]

Mosin/dolch is a giant tumor too

[raven totem]

not here due to name and shame

[mystic mulch]

Dolch/Dolch?

[random nimbus]

Used to be a legit thing

DolchP/Dual Dolches

[raven totem]

tripple dolch got nerfed with ammo update

[random nimbus]

Before ammo stacking was nerfed

[mystic mulch]

I rember

[astral moss]

I wish it was, seeing 9 bullet for my avto each time i kill someone is nice.

[random nimbus]

Every time I two tap someone with a dolch at max speed, I just feel dirty

[mystic mulch]

I used to run Bornheim match and dual Nagants.

[raven totem]

I ran that recent and did well, but with duel lemats

[random nimbus]

I headshot an avto the other day with a dolch lol

[raven totem]

mule set and poclet shotgun

[random nimbus]

Then got popped by a berthier marksman spitzer

While a Mosin trio was moving in to third party

[raven totem]

I'm really interested in how tommarrows stream is going to go

[mystic mulch]

Dual Lemats is just better way to do it now because you then just get basically a Rival shorty+more compact ammo.

[astral moss]

❕

[brazen kernel]

yeah but I dont understand this channel's rules, where to post it

[mystic mulch]

You don't

Thems the rules.

[raven totem]

also long as someones else name is in the pic, don't do that, particularly when it's something negative

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[mystic mulch]

I've had a lot of fun recently with the Dolch Deadeye.

Very silly weapon.

[raven totem]

https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/763408089168347146

go read

[brazen kernel]

jeeezus, sorry for shaming this bot

[raven totem]

clearly not a bot if it's talking and you know damn well

[astral moss]

That's what he want you to think.

[brazen kernel]

I can prove he was not a bot

[raven totem]

birds aren't real

[brazen kernel]

like his icon and no steam profile

[raven totem]

was he gamepass?

[fathom shale]

Wait until you find out Hunt has gamepass

[crystal bay]

WIP

[brazen kernel]

gamepass?

[crystal bay]

Xbox Gamepass on PC

Can never use a shotgun again is the problem

but not really a problem

[wide whale]

Just use bow. Superior shotgun.

[brazen kernel]

bruh I cant even check last match stats cause of this new UI is so confusing :"D

[raven totem]

I'm sorry do you think crytek plugs in a chat bot for the bot hunters to talk to you?

[fathom shale]

Bots do not respond in text chat, simple as, if you couldn't see their steam profile then they were a gamepass player, so you calling them a bot was just disrespectful towards a real person

[mystic mulch]

just got to get it up to 169.

[brazen kernel]

bruh I never heard of it 💀

[mystic mulch]

skill issue tbh.

[main flint]

Is that the badge that costs 1 million?

[crystal bay]

Yeah

[main flint]

Very nice

[brazen kernel]

ok found it

[crystal bay]

Ahhhh it's a subscription that lets you play games for free

[brazen kernel]

so having a monitor icon with a controller icon, just like bots

[crystal bay]

Thank you, I am no very broke

[past compass]

I wanna fill my player card with the stats that make people the most livid

[crystal bay]

Just means they are on a different platform then you

it's what PS players see Xbox players as

and vice versa

[past compass]

So far suppressed Maynard is on there but idk what other stats would annoy ppl who look at me

[brazen kernel]

yeah but I mean I didnt know Hunt has that

[crystal bay]

Ahhh yeah it was relatively recent

within the last year

[brazen kernel]

but

is there

crossplay for PC?

[crystal bay]

Yes

Not cross invite though

[mystic mulch]

Given reactions I tend to see, Auto shotgun kills.

[crystal bay]

You can randomly queue against/onto a team with other PC Gamepass, but you cannot currently invite em

There is no console to PC crossplay though

[brazen kernel]

since when

[mystic mulch]

It's pretty silly how that works.

[brazen kernel]

thats super weird tho

[crystal bay]

It's just crossplay with Steam to Xbox PC Gamepass so since that came out

not with consoles

[brazen kernel]

cause mouse vs controller kinda not fair

[crystal bay]

They're working on it

[crystal bay]

The Xbox Gamepass on computer

[fathom shale]

It's not controller players

[crystal bay]

not the console xbox

[brazen kernel]

okay I get it

[past compass]

It’s not console and pc crossplay

[fathom shale]

Or well it might, anyone can play with a controller on PC

But yeah

[past compass]

Luckily

[crystal bay]

That is true

Some people do use controllers on PC

[tall canopy]

yet

[mystic mulch]

Yet.

[crystal bay]

Doubt it'll happen

[past compass]

The moment that happens
The console version gets deleted lol

[mystic mulch]

Maybe then I'll plummet to low 4 star where I belong.

[crystal bay]

They've only announced plans for cross inviting with steam and PC gamepass

but who knows, there is always a possibility

[past compass]

all of the super loyal console sweats will leave

and that’s a majority of the base

[hot mortar]

soon the badges will be ready

[crystal bay]

Sheesh

[mystic mulch]

I imagine the obvious solution would be to segregate M+K and Controller players.

[crystal bay]

Is this your profile? or an example profile

[brazen kernel]

ok so what is truly a bot, at their stats it says NaN

[past compass]

They can’t even manage that on console lmao

[hot mortar]

mine

[brazen kernel]

otherwise evrything is the same

[crystal bay]

How'd you level those all so fast?

[mystic mulch]

Lmao. (pain)

[fathom shale]

Are you over rank 11? Then no one is a bot

[past compass]

I’m laughing because ximming is so painfully common in my console lobbies it’s obnoxious

[mystic mulch]

I've seen it happen.

Not too often.

[hot mortar]

well, infantry 73 is my fav gun, so i just played only with it and a hammer as my secondary and farmed kills, it has a bayonet version so i killed monsters and bosses with it as well

and just kept grinding

[mystic mulch]

But I'm at that mmr band where I run into them.

[crystal bay]

Ahhh I see i see

Nice work then!

[past compass]

I thought you were pc?

[mystic mulch]

Nope. That's just so I can check those channels.

[past compass]

ohhh
Xbox or PlayStation?

[mystic mulch]

Playstation

[past compass]

Damn

[random nimbus]

There aren't many avtos in our lobbies, but dolches aren't rare at all, Drag

[mystic mulch]

I have somewhat mixed feelings about the dolch.

[past compass]

I don’t

[random nimbus]

I don't. I hate it

[past compass]

it’s only balanced by price which is a garbage balancing metric

[random nimbus]

Turn stealing weapon

[mystic mulch]

I remember when it dealt what, 110 damage?

[random nimbus]

Yeah, I remember that too

[mystic mulch]

I'm not too upset about that going away.

[random nimbus]

Had faster reload, more damage, less sway, and didn't have the semi auto nerf

[past compass]

Just make dolch do 75 damage on the dot
Problem with it solved

[random nimbus]

It never went away, just became relegated to higher elos more

They gave the dolch just enough damage to be able to double tap lower torso

[mystic mulch]

Something it shares with the new army yes?

97 damage?

[half ruin]

Hunt dollars are a joke

90% of matches in this game are four bounties or bust and you get a couple thousand every win

[past compass]

Hence why I said it’s a garbage balancing metric

[random nimbus]

All it does is gatekeep stuff

And that doesn't have any effect at all on how it performs in a match, which is what matters

Especially since stuff that's expensive/strong tends to trade hands a lot, so they don't even have to be bought a lot of times.

[past compass]

That too

Strong stuff stays in the “economy” a lot longer

[mystic mulch]

I remember I once left a match woth 4 dolches.

Funny times.

[past compass]

Jesus

my biggest haul was an nitro double dolch

[mystic mulch]

2 people made some questionable financial decisions that game.

[past compass]

I wish you could sell stuff you got from in raid

I have so many weapons I’ll never used but I picked up “just in case”

[remote moss]

the dolch precision is the main problem because of how easy it is to use. the standard dolch is balanced by low player skill even in 6 star

[mystic mulch]

I like collecting weapon skins I pick up.

[random nimbus]

I think the regular dolch is bonkers too

Dolch P is just taken up to an extreme

[remote moss]

oh yeah, shits still crazy, just a different aiming style like with officer, gotta do a cool flick and all that

[mystic mulch]

it's interesting to me how strong it is despite how hobbled the ergonomics of it are.

[past compass]

I’d like to see this “balanced by player skill even in six star”
I get eaten alive by dolches if I make a mistake assuming they had any other weapon

[mystic mulch]

consequences of adding a 10 shot autoloader when everything else is a revolver I suppose.

[past compass]

He’ll I’ve traded with so many dolches with my bow cause of travel time and aim time

[remote moss]

aha, i can now flex. i compete against standard dolch with weapons like bornie match, new army, and levering and fanning

[crystal bay]

But

[remote moss]

yeah youre screwed if youre in a position where their fire rate is faster than your ability to play around cover, AND you have a slower ttk weapon that isnt shotty

[crystal bay]

That's still spam XD

[past compass]

Counter argument
You’d be doing better with a dolch

[remote moss]

alternatively, theyre also bad enough you can just dodge in the open, which is also another hilarious instance

[remote moss]

whaaaaat, i dunno what you mean

[mystic mulch]

At close enough range the new army is entirely competitive with a dolch.

[remote moss]

all i see is that a dolch generally loses that engagement

[past compass]

and also luck reliant

[mystic mulch]

So is my normal Aim.

[remote moss]

counter argument, bornheim is actually easier to spam than dolch and wins more fights

[past compass]

Easier to spam
Yes
Wins more fights?
No

2 people of equal skill dolch wins 9/10 times

[remote moss]

once you take the dolches better two tap range into account, yes

otherwise, its basically a trade in equal skill every time

[past compass]

borne doesn’t have a 2 tap range

[crystal bay]

Bornheim match

[remote moss]

bornheim is slightly faster with the 3 tap but trade window is thick enough that it might not matter once you take reaction time into it

yeah, with match into account, it beats the dolch until you get out of roughly 26m

[past compass]

The weird 2 slot?

[mystic mulch]

Upper chest only.

[crystal bay]

It's perty good

[mystic mulch]

Dolch gets the whole torso.

[past compass]

didn’t say it was bad
Just weird

[remote moss]

im serious when i glaze the bornheim, its a broken sidegrade that no one really uses properly

[mystic mulch]

I love the match. I wish it had a wood stock skin.

[past compass]

the match sure
The regular no

[crystal bay]

It's good

There's just the better option of the dolch

[past compass]

exactly

[remote moss]

better at two tapping at the 25m mark and ahead, yes

[past compass]

For one slot if you want raw performance
Dolch
Always

[crystal bay]

And ammo

and damage in general

[past compass]

for 2 slot
Just use bow and one shot them

[remote moss]

so hey, we

are getting fmj on bornheim next update

this argument will be forgotten, but bornheim always wins

[mystic mulch]

Is that a question or a statement?

[past compass]

It doesn’t

The meta has and will be dolch for a reason lol

[mystic mulch]

Bornheim FMJ would be neat

[remote moss]

nonsense, theyre just nostalgic about the old dolch

[random nimbus]

I like the bornheim Match, but it's too much of a paper gun

[remote moss]

back when it was genuinely a free kill even if your skill was terrible

[mystic mulch]

I am nostalgic about the old dolch.

[past compass]

It’s still amazing lmao

just not as broken like old nitro

[remote moss]

ah but is it as amazing enough to compensate for missing 8/10 shots every dolch volley?

[atomic coral]

They made the Vetterli the Medium Krag

[mystic mulch]

The clip reload is desynced, Last I checked the Dolch.

[past compass]

Also doesn’t dolch have better velo than Borne match?

[mystic mulch]

I think it's about the same?

[random nimbus]

Dolch is like 425ms or something like that

[past compass]

Idk what borne match is

Like 400?
460?

[mystic mulch]

I wanna say it's about 410?

[random nimbus]

440ms

It's even better than I thought lol

[mystic mulch]

Within the ballpark.

[remote moss]

theres a thing with match i dont know how to explain to people, the fact is that you can just merk people without them being able to fight back no matter their gun

[random nimbus]

The dolch, I mean

[past compass]

That thing is called preference lol

Someone using a gun they love and are good with will beat normal meta slaves

[remote moss]

and with the fast mag reload, its efficient enough to magdump everyone with little effort and risk

[random nimbus]

On paper, yes. It has the fastest two tap outside of the avto, but it's not by a whole lot vs the dolch and the match is a very inconsistent weapon.

On paper, it's great. In practice it tends to just be a spam machine that 3 taps people

[mystic mulch]

Normal born is 380. match is 400.

[remote moss]

its also the aimpunch, if you can engage in a spam battle, youll tag consistently and they cant quite fight back

[remote moss]

yes thats why its strong

lol

[past compass]

Just use dolch which spam 2 shots them lol

[random nimbus]

If its strength is more in potential, then it's not really that strong.

[full raven]

I love the Match

[remote moss]

thanks, dog person

[random nimbus]

The name of the game is consistency, which is the polar opposite of the Bornheim

[remote moss]

bornheim is extremely consistent

[past compass]

very true

[random nimbus]

At 3 tapping

[random nimbus]

exposed

[full raven]

I 2 tap with the Match a ton but I mostly use it close

[past compass]

yeah
Consistently bad is still consistently

[remote moss]

a 3 tap thats technically faster than the dolch 2 tap, and lets you magdump 6 rounds before a dolch player can get 3 shots off, so it equalizes

[random nimbus]

The dolch is far more consistent than the bornheim, hence its greater use

[past compass]

It’s not tho?

[full raven]

Price reflects that

[remote moss]

wait youre right, its about 4 dolch shots taking into account trade window

[past compass]

the cycle time on them isn’t that massively different

[random nimbus]

The bornheim is often used as a cleanup weapon more than a killing tool by itself

The dolch does both

[mystic mulch]

.4 on the dolch.
.2 on the born

[full raven]

Are you guys comparing the one slot vs the one slot or ?

[remote moss]

im glazing all bornheims

dolch precision has no competition, unfortunately

[random nimbus]

Most relevant stuff is the same on the regular dolch

[mystic mulch]

now, I'm no expert on the matters of mathematic. but .2 seems to be half of .4

[remote moss]

ok expert

[mystic mulch]

[remote moss]

that goes back to my old skill argument, regular dolch is beyond the avg meta slave to use rn

too much sway, their accurate fire rate with it is so slow that theyre better off with spitfire

[random nimbus]

Dolch can also arm/upper

[mystic mulch]

Can it arm?

[remote moss]

right, i forget, the ease of use of two tap to limb

or well, hit body at least once or whatever

[royal cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-cat-wrestling-clawing-gif-3513684

[random nimbus]

Actually, dolch can Arm/LOWER

[past compass]

Apparently it’s the one vs 2 slot

[woven cape]

So much violence

[random nimbus]

Yeah, Bornheim ain't doing shit vs the dolch

Inconsistent weapon vs more consistent than I thought

Seriously, screw the dolch

[woven cape]

Tell em Lerii !

[remote moss]

bornheim easier to control and therefore easier to use than dolch, damn you all

[past compass]

I mean

[mystic mulch]

new Army?

[past compass]

Dolch is easier since you don’t have to AIM

[dense sleet]

Dolch p is insanely easy

[random nimbus]

Harmy is the same damage as dolch

[dense sleet]

Dolch is insanely easy

[remote moss]

new army has the same problem, if you run fmj on it, people keep OVERLEADING

its a skill issue

[random nimbus]

I'm also using the Match, and it can't Arm/Upper

[remote moss]

but new army fmj is a solid choice

[random nimbus]

Yeesh this thing is really just a paper gun

[mystic mulch]

Yeah I tried that once and Missed shots I didn't know I was capable of missing.

[woven cape]

Nagant pistol is actually goated, it one shots to the head, super cheap too

[remote moss]

disgraceful representation of the bornheim

ill find you and end you

once im done farming siege, ill pump up those bornie stats

[past compass]

Also match need quarter to have a good primary along with it

[random nimbus]

I like the Match, it's a fun weapon, but this things middle name is Inconsistent.

[mystic mulch]

well yeah It's always been balanced around being an upper torso only 2 tap.

[woven cape]

The match is called the smg in my family

[full raven]

I do Obrez / Match a lot

[random nimbus]

I didn't know if the limb damage changes made any difference to that

It did not

It did for the dolch tho

[mystic mulch]

This was pretty explicit when it came out I remember.

[remote moss]

i dont get what you mean by inconsistent other than needing more effort to two tap to body, instead of being forgiving with limb hits

[full raven]

I find Match more consistant close kills than a shotgun a lot of the time

[random nimbus]

That was WAY before the limb damage changes tho

[remote moss]

we need someone to update calculator

i dont want to have to constantly recheck the numbers in training range

lol

still doesnt have the new limb dmg modifiers

[mystic mulch]

[random nimbus]

Less Forgiving=Less Consistent

[full raven]

Born Silenced is super fun and good, Born Match is god tier, Born extended is really good at hitting 3 times and not killing

[woven cape]

I made a spreadsheet

[random nimbus]

The more a weapon consistently kills with any hit, the better it is

Hence why the Mosin is so damn good

[woven cape]

And it shows 2 shot values

[remote moss]

yes, thats why mosin exists

[remote moss]

dont taunt us, show it

lol

[woven cape]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vQ2oU-sm2hpgLwOE8x3bvSoHZGuWItybZV0bbGB-dsv_hDGrO2VEYxW6bw7jB2q2kK7kmodpwh1YmeC/pubhtml?pli=1#gid=0

[remote moss]

appreciate it

[woven cape]

It's in the pinned messages in #game-questions if need be

[random nimbus]

It's got everything. 2 taps at extreme ranges, second fastest base bullet speed, high damage, great retention

[mystic mulch]

I've only used the extended like 3 times ever and each time I've gotten exactly 1 headshot.

Just not a big fan of the way the extended looks.

[past compass]

Did they remove Maynard from the free hunter pool?

[woven cape]

Don't worry about the weird 0.77 0.62 0.54 stuff at the top, Crytek is weird about damage numbers. In my spreadsheet, chest shot is considered 100% dmg

[random nimbus]

Yeah, lower torso is technically the base damage modifier

Which makes 0 sense

[remote moss]

oh match can two tap arms now

thats disgusting

[random nimbus]

It cannot

[mystic mulch]

[random nimbus]

Match does 55 damage to arms

Match cannot two tap anywhere but upper torso

[remote moss]

what

[random nimbus]

It does 74 to lower torso

[remote moss]

yeah im lost

[royal cloak]

Calc

[random nimbus]

I'm in the shooting range right now