hunt-general

[lofty sinew]

I mean you would just restrict dark clothing colours obviously, particularly tthe abilitty to combine too many dark peices

alternatively, seperate ttry-hard cue for people who can't help themselves

[mild flower]

people would still metagame it

[wild leaf]

I see so much on youtube of youtubers not getting camped as a solo but then I do it and that is the entirety of the game. Even good positioning and movement doesn't seem to save me when I die

[mild flower]

find a way to get the most camouflage while staying under the limit

[lofty sinew]

it doesn't matter if people meta-game it if their abilitty to do so can't result in OG headsman.

[ancient cave]

let me do it just don't make it pure black

like how private eyes coat looks black but it's really like a dark navy when you see it closer

[wild leaf]

I'm sort of just looking for help, not complaining and hoping someone will validate my anger

[ancient cave]

youtubers aren't posting their clips of being destroyed

noone wants to watch people die they can do that for free

[leaden herald]

I'm gonna become a hunt youtuber that only posts clips of being killed

[whole furnace]

People with just piss and moan endlessly and point towards legendary hunters and call them p2w

[next mesa]

Pyschoghost often shows his deaths. So does Neenoh.

[wild leaf]

Well no I mean even on twitch it seems more often than not they don't get camped

[lofty sinew]

even streamers are dead most of the time when they die solo and revive is no dice. the clips you see are of them getting lucky or dieing during fight mayhem that allowed it

[ancient cave]

clearly they are deranking pieces of filth who are killing of the retention of this game and hunt will be dead by new years

[wild leaf]

For US East console, the game is so dead people will just come jump you because they know you are solo, then T bag you til you get up/burn out

[mild flower]

chat is this based

[wild leaf]

They can do that without fear of getting jumped, I mean

[leaden herald]

no

[lofty sinew]

so stop playing solo? idk what other solution there is there.

[wild leaf]

Well again, the game is sooo dead on us east console

[mild flower]

y

[wild leaf]

I don't really have a choice but to wait forever on a random that will never match up with me

[ancient cave]

pretty generic loadout

[lofty sinew]

yeah that's a bummer. Maybe try the LFG here?

[leaden herald]

it's pretty normal and nothing you do in a videogame will ever be based

[whole furnace]

I feel like spreading some misery, maybe I'll go solo maynard farming a bit

[ancient cave]

maynard is becoming my new favorite sniper. It just feels right

[mild flower]

What? Where are the dragons breath enjoyers at, I need to find my people

[wild leaf]

Yeah I've yet to do that. Its sort of just me assuming that with the us east being as actually deceased as it is, I figured not even the hunt discord could help

[whole furnace]

I mean, one of the best drop and best MV in the game with HV.
God why the fuck did they give it HV

[wild leaf]

I used it a couple of times but the dudes I squaded up with were actual weirdos. Put me off and I haven't used it since. But a few times doesn't mean everyone.

[lofty sinew]

you might be right, but probably worth a try, as it sounds like some version of pre-made is your only obvious route out of solo pain-town

[wild leaf]

Which really sucks because I want to have fun fights but if people know your solo they get really toxic and I really have no idea why

I mean they ignore reviving their friends just to camp you

[lofty sinew]

fwiw, if i couldn't get rando team mates and had no pre-made to play in, I would just stop playing.

[wild leaf]

I don't have any other games I enjoy. They all went to shit

[ancient cave]

people in games will always suck and its stupid
but you just have to train yourself not to care
look at how stoic this cat is, be as stoic as this cat

[whole furnace]

Because that is the objectively right play to do.

[wild leaf]

Yeah I mean I guess it just sucks because I'm literally just a guy

I'm doing my best

[lofty sinew]

yeah you have to remove the possibility of being shot in the back while you revive friend, and camping body is the only way to garauntee that doesn't happen

[round nova]

running around farming an empty server as a team is one thing, but doing it solo after everyones dead is just nice and chill

[wild leaf]

And these guys will go out of their way to ruin me

[whole furnace]

I mean, you are trying to ruin them back ain't ya?

[leaden herald]

what if they ignore you instead and you shoot them in the back of the head?

[wild leaf]

Not really, I don't go chasing them or really anyone. I play objective and anyone that comes to me is who I fight

[round nova]

i first time noticing the three arrows by MMR

some are lit up and some arent

no description on mouse-over

[ancient cave]

there should be a description

cool ui glitch I suppose

[wild leaf]

Nah I've offered to let people go many times, I've had a guy take me up on that recently. I even let him have bounty

Two of the grandma witches from the garden trilogy

[granite blade]

full arrow is solo, 2 arrow(i think) is duos, 1 arrow is randoms, nothing is premade trios

the arrows show just how much mmr modifier you are getting for being at a "disadvantage"

high, medium, low, none

[round nova]

the two 5* solos (me and the other) got a bounty (i killed most) and the only 6 star died to the random que trios lol

[remote moss]

ehh, unfortunately the best you can do are watch streams. youtubes are generally just compilations of what are, frankly, really easy wins

the basics are easy though, just rotate into good positions where youre less likely to get rushed and surrounded and punish someone for being stupid enough to peek or push you

if you compare someones streamer gameplay to their youtube gameplay, which only looks good cause its good for the avg person to watch, youll learn a lot more.

especially when you notice how many times the streamer isnt actually doing anything, their rotations suck balls, and theyre just hiding and holding angles against someone stupid enough to push in th eopen

but the gameplan is punishing someones impatience, very low effort. plenty of skill involved but always boils down to that sweeeet swweeet sensation of just baiting baiting baiting until they fuck up

thats the avg streamer tho, not the good ones

[mild flower]

anyone else's randoms are something else today?

[leaden herald]

they're always something else

[mild flower]

naw it's 10x worse than normal rn

well hey at least they try

[royal cloak]

it happens

[leaden herald]

I always do solo if I don't have my irl friends playing

I can't be bothered to see what randoms do in the 1* lobbies I play in

[royal cloak]

1 star is crazy

[leaden herald]

I suck

[royal cloak]

its alright

[mild flower]

it's always the "ADS buckshot romero at 30m"

[leaden herald]

yeesh

[raven totem]

Back when mm was really wild, typical low star plays just avoid pvp to the best they could

[royal cloak]

what weapon is your favorite to use

[raven totem]

Uppercut

Likely my most used gun in 4k hours

[leaden herald]

what do you pair it with

[raven totem]

I like verity, only thing I kinda just don't play is snipers

[raven totem]

Shotgun/crossbow

[leaden herald]

darn

[random nimbus]

Uppercut kinda goes with everything

[raven totem]

It does

You really can just plug it into any build

[random nimbus]

Hell, back in the day, two single uppercuts weren't a bad build

[raven totem]

Trueshot fmj old be more new player friendly

[raven totem]

Still isn't technically

[random nimbus]

Yup, but back when it was 130 damage it was just ridiculous

[leaden herald]

how much does it do now

[random nimbus]

124, iirc

[leaden herald]

less than the vetterli then

[random nimbus]

It used to be called the Pocket Vetterli

[leaden herald]

really?

[raven totem]

Yup

[random nimbus]

Mhm, had the exact same base damage

And because medium ammo had such trash damage retention, the uppercut really competed with it for long range tapping if you ignored that ugly headshot range

[raven totem]

In many ways back then it was better then vetterli, just one slot

[leaden herald]

balance

[random nimbus]

Uppercut has even faster velocity if you really want to split hairs

Or it is the same.

[raven totem]

Uppercut is also the best revolver in the game and vetterli was a tier 1, beginning rifle

[random nimbus]

I know uppercut is 410ms. I can't remember if the Vetterli is 405ms or 410ms as well

[raven totem]

05

[random nimbus]

I thought it was 405

That 5ms makes 0 difference, but it is funny that the Pocket Vetterli was faster than the real vetterli

[raven totem]

Vetterli slaps now

[random nimbus]

Oh it absolutely spams bullets downrange

[leaden herald]

Vetterli my beloved

[raven totem]

I've been fucking up Spitzer boys with it

[random nimbus]

Those damn sights tho

I hate them

[raven totem]

Well was before taking a hunt vacation

[random nimbus]

Vetterli has some nice skins

[leaden herald]

the noose is rather lovely

[random nimbus]

The Christmas skin is great too

Winter Rose, I think?

[raven totem]

When I come back might spam spitzer/uppercut

[leaden herald]

I dislike vetterli's sights so much that I prefer to not use any other variant other than the deadeye just so I can have better sights

[random nimbus]

DE not having the movement penalty is really nice now

I wish it kept the deeper zoom tho

[royal cloak]

yes vetterli's sight is very terrible

i prefer mostly krag

frontier is pretty good i guess

[leaden herald]

that reminds me at some point I saw a post saying the mosin's sights are inaccurate, do y'all know if that's true? Something about the current ones being from the 1930s

[weak cosmos]

I'm still confused if the vetterli bullet goes on the little point if the sight or the middle

It's so bad

[leaden herald]

so am I

[weak cosmos]

Nahh mosin sight is goated

Ohh

You mean like

[leaden herald]

goated yes but I mean historical accuracy

[weak cosmos]

Historically accurate

[leaden herald]

yes

[weak cosmos]

No idea.. 😔

[leaden herald]

I have an interest in guns but I can say that I don't know the differences between iron sights by heart xD

[queen shore]

i love vetterli my favorite sadly i use it low nowdays and almost never see it on 6*

[hazy crest]

I’m pretty sure irl irons would play awfully in a video game. You don’t need to have sight picture below the point of aim on real rifles

[leaden herald]

perfectly accurate irons are usually not video game compatible

the M1 garand for example has a very small viewing hole on the rear sights and is almost always enlargened for a better gaming experience

not sure if that was your point but idk

[hazy crest]

No

But it’s about double the fire rate of a base vetterli with iron eye

[leaden herald]

yea no it's just the guns that you cycle manually (manually from the character's perspective)

[sour spear]

Have Mr. Chary rewards reset?

[leaden herald]

what

[hazy crest]

The daily reset?

[sour spear]

Yeah, I'm not sure what time exactly it happens

[scenic plinth]

3pm central european time usually

[sour spear]

Thank you kindly!

[vale gazelle]

Quite the opposite, the in game sights are from the imperial mosin whilst the ones references as the 1930s are the ww2 ones that are often used in games iirc

[leaden herald]

so the sights are correct?

[vale gazelle]

Afaik yes

[leaden herald]

bro knows about iron sights

[vale gazelle]

In hunt universe Russia is still an empire before the October revolution of 1917 so the mosin has the imperial markings, one of quite early models since mosin was designed in 1891

Lemat carbine, officer carbine, Martini Ironside and cyclone do not need iron eye to stay in ADS

Whilst all Winchesters stay in ADS but have a completely different animation without iron eye

[raven totem]

While it's better than ever, needing iron eye , it's understandable for people to just default long

[leaden herald]

very understandable

[vale gazelle]

Vetterli sucks and it needs a buff
Either 500m/s velocity or making iron sights not shit
The iron sight rework update made every bad irons great but vetterli was left in the mud
Silencer makes irons look better but the silencer nerf killed silencers as playable guns

Vetterli was my beloved gun when I started playing but now when every other gun has something better than it it just hurts

[leaden herald]

Vetterli do be cheap tho

[granite blade]

vet also does over 125 now

[left orbit]

yooo what

it's cheap and the 400m/s with 130dmg is a gem bro you just play it bad fav gun or not

plus it already received a buff with iron eye

semi auto gun

[leaden herald]

ya

[left orbit]

i run it with fmj for extra wallbangs

[vale gazelle]

Silencer damage nerf needs to be completely removed tbh and be exclusively applied to krag by changing its modification from "silencer" to something like "whisper" which will be like "it's silenced but shorter barrel" which will make it different in the logic of application, justifying krag to be the only silencer with less damage
Sparks silencer became useless

[left orbit]

it's been my main since buff

[leaden herald]

I completely agree silencers should be removed

[vale gazelle]

Not silencers, just the damage nerf
Making krag the only one to be affected by it

The whole reason why silencers got trashed is because of the krag
A single gun made the entire archetype get nerfed

[leaden herald]

as unrealistic as silenced=less damage is I don't think they should be removed

I mean the nerf

otherwise it's just a straight upgrade to the base variants

[granite blade]

no, it was because 3-4*s already had issues with silencers and krag+maynard just made it even worse for them... sadly those players make up the majority so crytek acted in favor of them by just hitting everything

[vale gazelle]

1865 does better in all regards
Going 340 from 400 is not much but you get way better irons, lens option, cheaper gun and way more damage
Even silenced 1865 does more damage than base vetterli

[whole furnace]

I mean, we had a balance for silencers, worse sights, but people kept pissing and moaning about it

[left orbit]

slower cycle time, i still vastly prefer the vett

[leaden herald]

people moan about everything tbf

[whole furnace]

Yes, just explaining why we are here

[vale gazelle]

3-4 have no issues with silencers, they're audible up to 80m on average
Subsonics aren't used by majority
It's just the krag meta that made it bad, and Maynard made it annoying yeah, since the only silencer that can shoot outside of audible range effectively thanks to scope

[granite blade]

they do. you see them pop up in this chat every single day and when you ask what mmr, its usually 3-4

[vale gazelle]

If cycle time matters to you you can just go for colt marathon which is the fastest of all action guns

A bit better velocity as well

[granite blade]

meanwhile 5s complain about nitro, avto, shotguns, and anything that can seemingly kill in 1 hit

[whole furnace]

Whatever you wanna do with a 1865, you can do the same with a vetterli w. fmj objectively better.

[granite blade]

and 6s complain about mosin, dolch, and long ammo in general

[vale gazelle]

Could be, I forgot that modern 3 star is old 2 star, so 3 star players are like bots, as for the 4 stars idk whenever I play against them they are good at hearing silencers

[granite blade]

1-2s dont even know whats going on. 3-4s have their own meta, 5s have theirs, and 6s have theirs

[leaden herald]

for a game where imo every gun works at least somewhat competetively people complain a lot

[leaden herald]

I know what's going on don't be mean :<

[vale gazelle]

That's the point
1865 can do what vetterli can but it's cheaper than vetterli and can do more than vetterli besides fire ammo and high velocity

[granite blade]

i mean, your above comment says enough unfortunately ;v

[leaden herald]

I know :<

[granite blade]

although i did smack alot of 6s earlier with railroad hammer so maybe thats a new 6 meta

[whole furnace]

You not gonna go poor by the 80 HD extra vetterli w. FMJ cost ya.
Vetterli fmj, fires faster, have better MV, have better pen, better ammo top off and have better damage over distance.

[vale gazelle]

Vetterli doesn't have better pen stop lying, they both are medium ammo and with recent rework 1865 is actually better because pen accounts for damage
1865 reloads faster when you reload more than 1 bullet, and 1865 has better damage over distance, stop lying once again

[whole furnace]

Vetterli w. FMJ as I wrote :)

[vale gazelle]

Well if you use fmj on vetterli you use fmj on 65

[whole furnace]

FMJ on the 1865 drags MV all the waay down to 272m/s

[vale gazelle]

And with vetterli it drags it down to 328 which makes the Delta even less than when compared to default

[whole furnace]

Still more MV and faster cycle speed.

My point is that the 145 damage matters little

And the 130 damage reaches the same relevant thresholds

[vale gazelle]

You made the difference in speed even less significant by bringing FMJ into the comparison

As for the cycle speed I already said, if you care about cycle speed you go for colt marathon which is the fastest and has even higher speed

If you care about cycle speed you think of double tapping, if you think of double tapping colt marathon can double tap too

[whole furnace]

I just think -15 damage for +0.4s cycle speed and +78m/s is much better.

Also the vetterli w. FMJ is not 328m/s, but 350m/s

[whole furnace]

The Marathon is different category of rifles.

[vale gazelle]

Is it? Weird
Usually all fmj is -20% speed
Once again vetterli is still lacking some valid advantage over all other rifles, be it the iron sight or lack of velocity
Even poison ammo would make it feel a bit better

[whole furnace]

nope mv loss to fmj is VERY MUCH on per rifle basis :)

Dunno man, Vetterli fmj does what 1865 does, but better

[vale gazelle]

Ye fmj is random with values now that I remember many other guns
Best example being trueshot being a must pick with fmj because it goes 410 -> 405 basically becoming a better vetterli in some sort

[whole furnace]

Trueshot fmj is not a better vetterli lol

Less MV, more sway, doesn't reach the 125 damage treshold.

[leaden herald]

trueshot might be great and all but the base variant has better skins (imo) so it's better

[wide whale]

Vetterli is great. Leave my gun alone.

The end

[vale gazelle]

It's a 1 slot that can do the most precise fanning of all pistols

[vale gazelle]

No I want it buffed

As my favorite gun I want it to be good

[wide whale]

I won't argue with that. But its my go to

And I feel like it is good currently

[whole furnace]

Vetterli is good, issue is just the current meta that makes it worse akin to all similar rifles like it.

[wide whale]

Not the best, sure.

But its a good mid ground

Frontier and Vet are my safe picks

[vale gazelle]

Base variant just feels nice, the clap it makes when shot is also good, just sad that it's outmatched by Scotfield or base colt

[twilit rivet]

Marathon is good

[leaden herald]

I'm not sure what you mean by base colt

[twilit rivet]

Both Marathon fmj and marathon high velocity slap

[vale gazelle]

GTX 970 is good it's just the current meta of 5000 series makes it worse
That's what you basically said

[whole furnace]

No? Lmaao

[leaden herald]

I mean kinda yea

[vale gazelle]

Small call colt 6/18 with dumdum/fmj

[whole furnace]

Vetterli struggles because close-to-midrange rifles are not in a good spot rn due to "oops all shotguns!" meta.
Where you can pick the best of both worlds with QM.

[vale gazelle]

Caldwell is the copyrighted name for Colt series

[wide whale]

I would argue that the meta switching and a gun not being favourable currently doesn't indicate that it's a bad weapon. If it could be blindly picked in any meta then it would be the meta.
So having weapons that fall in/out of use as the metas develop is actually good game balance. Because it encourages people to change loadouts.

Im not a game dev, but I would happily pick almost any weapon in hunt at the moment and say they're not far off balanced or useable at any point

[whole furnace]

eeeeh not sure I agree with that notion, I prefer more when it doesn't feel like a handicap to pick certain weapons.

[wide whale]

But then you'd never switch loadout if it could always be a favourable pick, meaning there's no adaptation and discovery period

[vale gazelle]

Buffing weak weapons over nerefing strong weapons is the healthy way
Vetterli is weak, it needs a buff, not other rifles getting nerfed to the ground
Getting proper irons or 500ms is enough, poison ammo is just my personal wish because we are lacking any weaponry content for the last 1.5 years

[whole furnace]

People will always have comfort picks.
But an example is the Martini Henry, it is my fav weapon, basically ran that gun non-stop for years.
Tho atm it is sucha abysmal weapon due to how the meta have room for shotguns in every loadout, that it basically just a bad rifle to run.

[wide whale]

Im still new to Hunt, so I haven't played through many of the patches/changes. But, my opinion is, that I like it when metas switch up naturally and aren't forced by patches/changes.

[wide whale]

Yeh, ok, but did the rifle get a nerf or is it just unfavorable?
Is it still the same gun and it doesnt suit the meta?

My problem with that statement is that you ran it for years. That's boring to me 🙂

[whole furnace]

The past 1.5 years we have gotten:

• Obrez Match and its variants
• Maynard and its variants
• Carbine 1865 and its variants
• Chu Ko Nu
• Wildland/Homeland, tho scarce.

[whole furnace]

No, just a hyper buff to 2-slot shotguns mostly.
So running 3-slot rifle + 2-slot shotgun is meta.
Which in turn means that short/medium range rifles suffers.

That is also why Vetterli struggles atm

And honestly most spam

Which I don't mind too much, but still

[wide whale]

Eh, I mostly run Centenial/Vet with a hand crossbow 😅
And yes, playing in 6* lobbies

[peak path]

Wen does the death rites event end ?

[granite blade]

11th

[peak path]

Okey tnx

[whole furnace]

Vetterli doesn't suffer as much as Henry for sure :)
But that is mostly due to its versatility.
It does feel powercrept out by the amount of high velocity/high drop range options if you wanna use scopes.

• they killed deadeye :')

[wide whale]

How so? It's the deadeye I run, or the basic variant

[whole furnace]

Deadeye have made into a glorfied holosight.
It used to have more zoom, which was honestly great, I used deadeye varaints to counter-snipe snipers :V

[vale gazelle]

In the 1.5 years before those we got
Mauzer claw and deadeye
Katana, railroad hammer
Mako and 2 variants, colt marathon and a variant, drilling and variants, uppermat, krag sniper/bayo, centy shorty/silencer, cyclone and some I might forgot
We got dragonfire crossbow, dumdum springfield and drilling, lots of dragon breath and flechettes, lots of poison ammo, actual new perks
We got around 2x more content and every event brought 2 weapons with some special ammo before 1896 happened

[wide whale]

Check out their roadmap post.
They've spent the majority of this year resolving technical debt.

Which does mean a much slower/sparse content roadmap.

And they get a big thumbs up from me for resolving technical debt!

[vale gazelle]

They've been fixing what they have broken for ~2 years already, the only exciting part has been the player cap increase (which was planned since 2023) and separation of events from updates

[whole furnace]

And people did complain about powercreep and meaningless filler variants/ammo 🤷
I'd rather prefer they balance this mess they have bloated the past 2½ years than another Obrez Match, revive bolts or Maynard Silenced.

Meaningful additions > Constant stream of additions.

Also Mauser c96*

Also Marlin*

[vale gazelle]

All the content they added before 1896 actually has been playable content with no crazy bugs and performance drops
There were things that were unpopular but that's the entire point

If we use your logic of "don't add what won't be used by majority" we can delete vetterli from the game right now, following the same logic but "what to delete" instead of "what not to add"

[mystic ravine]

Is the death rites event over now?

I noticed the hunters lost their event bonus

[wide whale]

Tomorrow, I think

[whole furnace]

ALL the content before 1896 been bug free and without performance drop?

[uneven swift]

hello everyone im brand new to hunt and just started today and was wondering if some poeple could help me learn the game, i have it on my pc and my xbox but im on my pc rn, also im sorry if this isnt the right channel or not

[whole furnace]

And my logic is not to remove, but to improve the current balance before adding more factors to the pile.

[vale gazelle]

Also saying "they add meaningful content" right now is comedic when they added mosin obrez match which was the most useless addition ever

[whole furnace]

Well you said:

personal wish because we are lacking any weaponry content for the last 1.5 years
And I listed what was added the past 1.5 years, didn't make any comment about how meaningful it was.

[whole furnace]

!lfg

[graceful hedge]

Be sure to check out our LFG (looking for group) channels to find a partner:
For PC: #na , #eu, #asia, #oceania, #south-america
For consoles #looking-for-group-console & #looking-for-group-xbox
Regional LFG channels: #ru-поиск-игроков & #br-procurando-grupo

[vale gazelle]

The mentioned 1.5 or 2 years were without major performance drops, graphical issues and negatively affecting common bugs, yes
Only bug I recall being a big thing was infinite death chest which didn't make the gameplay bad but quite the opposite, created a brave meta and made people feel less scared to fight

[uneven swift]

thank you

[whole furnace]

Then all I can say is that you have forgotten a lot of the issues.
Like rain being so bugged it had to be removed for 8 months.

And then came back still bugged

and removed again

until it returned after 2.0

[vale gazelle]

You literally said "meaningful additions > constant stream of addictions"
How is mosin obrez match a meaningful addition that is more worthy over some Mauser deadeye or DB dragon breath that are barely used but at least they add gameplay variety unlike mosin match that does nothing

[wide whale]

The game has a steep learning curve. (I recently started playing too)
But its a great game and despite all the moaning that goes on in this channel about balance etc. For a newbie, 90% of the weapons are in a good state to be used in any/every game. Play what you like and what you feel comfortable with. This will take some time. You'll need to find a weapon you like the iron sights on, the reload speed/animation etc. I recommend starting with the centennial, its a good starting point for a rifle imo.

Dont worry too much about taking expensive loadouts. Just pick a cheap rifle, a cheap secondary - hand crossbow is my go to with choke bolts because theyre useful in teams, they put out fires and can instakill an immolator.
Grab a melee weapon, a weak regen/vitality shot and a healing kit and you're set to start playing 🙂

Dont be disheartened to lose your first couple of games. This game is all about not rushing and listening to EVERYTHING.
Other players will know the compounds better than you and the likely routes between them. Just have fun and view the losses as a learning experience!

[whole furnace]

That is what I prefer yes :)

Didn't say that obrez match was meaningful

Just that I prefer more rare, but meaningful additions over bloat.

[wide whale]

Also, make sure you sync your account to Twitch and watch/put on in the background to earn some loot boxes that contain some higher tier weapons for you to try

[vale gazelle]

I don't recall the rain being ever removed other than the chance being reduced
And even that is not comparable to the amount of issues 1896 has brought and still has unfixed after 2 years

[whole furnace]

2.0 is a whole other story for sure.
But naw, hunt, especially the year leading up to 2.0 was super bugged.
Basically it was "it doesn't makes sense to fix now when 2.0 drops soon".

[uneven swift]

i played 1 game after the tutorial and i used the springfield with a lever action secondary and killed 3 players and got the bounty and left without dying but the players i was with helped ping the enemies location

[uneven swift]

awesome i'll try that thank you

[vale gazelle]

You defended lack of content by saying that they make it more meaningful now, meaning that they put quality over quantity
How can mosin obrez match be considered a quality product compared to earlier said Mauser deadeye or DB dragon breath that are considered to be "constant stream" type of additions since they are unpopular and were added back when we had more content

[whole furnace]

No, I said that I prefer when content is more sparse and meaningful.
I didn't make any comments about if I thought the new content we have gotten the past 1.5 years was good or bad.

I think the past 2.5 years of Hunt have been horrible content wise, when we got a lot it got bloated and powercrept and when we got little it was missing the mark.

But going forward Crytek should STILL commit to add fewer, but good additions instead of going back to shitting out custom ammo for every weapon in the game and giving every weapon every variant.

[vale gazelle]

If you are not implying that we got better content whilst just saying you prefer better content over amount then why reply to my comments that were about them producing less content after the rebrand

That's basically "coca cola got worse by producing less flavour editions last year" and you replying to it with "I prefer better but rarer flavour editions over the pure amount of them"

You basically left a reply implying "I like what they do"
You haven't expressed a single agreement in regard that weapon content has indeed gotten worse yet each time replied with an implication of defense of their development

About bugs yes, you actually compare and say that yes 2.0 is bad but before also had bad

If you just comment then idk why it went so far, if you discuss the development matter the you indeed provide an opinion of opposing matter to my statement

[mild flower]

Chat should I prestige? 👍 👎

damn you mccree

[vale gazelle]

Which prestige are you rn?

[mild flower]

1

[vale gazelle]

Worth it

[mild flower]

did it once and didnt think it was worth

[mild flower]

why?

do i get bloodbonds or smth

[vale gazelle]

Lvl 10-19 prestige get blood bonds

[mild flower]

nice

[vale gazelle]

Whilst lvl 1-10 prestige give nice skins

Make sure to grab random legendary skin every time you are given an opportunity

[mild flower]

wait u stop getting the skins after 10? i thought it was a random skin each time

[vale gazelle]

There is a page in the game showing what you get per each prestige level

Every time there is an option to take random skin - take it

[ancient cave]

you're not done getting skins till you're at prestige 100

[mild flower]

it's just variants you lose now right? do you lose custom ammo?

Also, how difficult is it to level up the bloodline again, it's been so long I forgot.

[vale gazelle]

You lose variants and perk unlocks, also tools and consumables

[opal dawn]

And traits

[vale gazelle]

You have all weapons and ammo types upon lvl 1

[mild flower]

losing traits is gonna hurt the most

[vale gazelle]

Now that necro is available lvl 1 it's not as painful if solo

[mild flower]

no vigilant right? So i'm completely at the mercy of glitched dark dynamite and traps stuck inside terrain.

[vale gazelle]

IIRC vigilant was moved to be an early unlock?
I think
Otherwise it's like lvl 57

One thing I can tell about prestige is that the more you sit on lvl 100 the more painful and lazy it will feel to prestige because of the money and unlocks you get

And stockpiled lvl 50 hunters

[opal dawn]

Hence why I'm not pressing that prestige button

[mild flower]

last time i prestiged i got put off because i got a skin for the most useless weapon variant in the game [martini henry full size scope] @vale gazelle

[whole furnace]

I just pointed out that we had in fact gotten stuff the past 1.5 years when you made the claim we were "lacking".
Sure it lacks in the regard that they have been bad additions.
But still, we have still gotten:

• 2 variants/weapon hybrid (Obrez Match)
• Rez bolt a whole new ammo type, which got removed bc lol rez bolt
• Auto4 variant
• Chu Ko Nu
• Bomb Launcher variant
• 1865 + 2 variants
• Krag Silencer variants
• Maynard + 1 variant
• 3 event weapons (Shredder, Wildlands and Homestead)
  So that is like, 6 new weapons (+2 if we count Obrez Match) too, 6 different variants (+2 if we count Obrez Match) and 1 whole new custom ammo type (now removed).

Again, that is not too shabby over the span of 1.5 years and it is not considering various custom ammo added to different weapons too. Again, think more the issue is that the additions we have gotten, have either been temporary (even weapons) or so bad they had to be nerfed to the ground (silencers) or outright removed (rez bolt) :)

[vale gazelle]

IMO it's worth to get prestige 20 rn because 10-20 give like 900 blood bonds

Total, not per prestige ofc

[mild flower]

hm

[whole furnace]

Prestige is good bc number goes up!

[vale gazelle]

And 1-10 give a good portion of random skins

[mild flower]

how many bloodline levels do you get on say a 5 kill bounty extract game?

[normal radish]

if you try to put "worth" into prestige it takes away the real value

prestige is for its own sake

and john

[whole furnace]

That depends on current BL level, hunter level going in and first win of the day bonus or not.

[opal dawn]

Obrez Match... I've forgotten that thing exists

[vale gazelle]

Nah I want skins and BB for bundles/BP so first 20 prestiges are worth spending time on

[normal radish]

i even miss the grind of prestiging and loosing stuf

[whole furnace]

These past years have been so shit for Hunts weapons and whatnot lol

[mild flower]

fair, but roughly, is it the kind of thing where you're grinding multiple matches for one level or more like 2 levels per match kind of thing

[opal dawn]

Yeah, this is one of the strongest rifles in the game. Let's give it a silencer!

[normal radish]

prestige is too easy now too, compared to how it was. its not even hard lol

[whole furnace]

Once again, really depends

[vale gazelle]

It's all about hunter lvl, if you play as lvl 50 hunter all of the gained xp from the match goes directly to the bloodline, an average match with all bounties extracted gives ~15k exp

[whole furnace]

Let us give the 170m drop range, 660m/s sniper a silencer! :))))))))))

[normal radish]

they did add blast sense and subsonic though, after that its aight

[vale gazelle]

If you play as not lvl 50 hitting certain hunter level milestones gives bloodline exp that is visible in end match screen

[normal radish]

and blast sense has 200 or 250 range

[opal dawn]

I don't really like adding strong things then just countering them with something else

[mild flower]

tf, a dodgeball match?

thank you youtube AI

[normal radish]

thats one of the few ways to introduce new mechanics

otherwise it would stagnate HARD

[opal dawn]

Tarot cards are way better ways to do it, and scarce weapons tbh

[rapid pasture]

Anyone know what the distance is where the Extract shows up on the compass?

[opal dawn]

150m

[rapid pasture]

Okay cool, kinda what I figured

[mild flower]

yea ill do it. i like having an excuse to try new weapons, and saving up on BBs before hunt moves into a seasonal system sounds like a good idea.

[rapid pasture]

Same range as the beetle and dark sigh boost

[normal radish]

scarce weapons and limited weapons are nice touch, the nice part was that the COUNTER measure was introduced with them so it felt smoother

if maynard silencer was introduced with said silencer changes and subsonic

no one would be bitching this hard

[mild flower]

nah maynard silencer is problematic by design

[whole furnace]

I will still bitch hard about post-nerfed Maynard Silenced lmao

[normal radish]

i dont know what to say though. where there are counter measures and balances to it. its doesnt bother me at all. the core mechanics of fighting a sniper stays almost the same. but then again its hunt community and it is well known among gamers for its astounding bitching capacity

[mild flower]

Do you lose tarot cards and scarce weapons when you prestige?

[normal radish]

yiz

[mild flower]

damn

[normal radish]

or my friend did at least, he prestiged last night

but i assume since they are GEAR yeh they are lost

[mild flower]

well imma blow all my lvl 50s on solo bounty clash rq

[opal dawn]

They do get lost on prestige

[whole furnace]

I just think it is an issue that you can slap HV on it and still shoot people within drop range, but still outside audible range.
No risk, high reward.

[normal radish]

HV has muzzle flash, and visible in blast sense, sure it would benefite a solo for a surprise kill, but not any more than a lebel spitzer or mosin sniper, or springfield HV

[vale gazelle]

Obrez Match is trash, so not even worth it to count
Res bolt was a stolen content from us (it could be reworked into heal bolts but no we lost content)
1 modification
1 weapon that is lackluster on level of Mauser deadeye
Launcher variant that was advertised as a whole new weapon, not a variant, let me remind you (blatant impudent marketing)
1865 was actually good
Silencer was good but it's a modification and it caused a killed meta but I won't count that as a problem
Maynard was killed with removal of dumdum, never sees play, comparable to something like crownking flechette
Shredder was removed so no longer considered content
Wildlands and homestead are a breath of fresh air that brought hope for getting more guns (however it's just modifications and not a new-new guns)
So we got 1 absolute trash weapon, 2 unused weapons (1 due to nerf) , 1 good weapon, 2 brand new weapons-modifications, 3 refreshing modifications one of which was impudently advertised as a whole weapon
So 1 weapon, 2 weapon-modifications, 3 modifications
And that's for 1.5 years

[normal radish]

this audible range is EASILY countered by blast sense

and blast sense is 2 points

has lingering effect

[mild flower]

aint no one using blast sense

[opal dawn]

Takes up the only economy Hunt has, trait slots

[whole furnace]

Blast Sense is not a very picked trait.
But yes, it is a counter for sure. Tho don't like "X thing is the only counter to Y".

[vale gazelle]

If not the wildlands and homestead the game would be very dead in regard of weaponry content

[normal radish]

thats on you tbh

me and my trio always have traits like dauntless, magpie blast sense serpent etc

[mild flower]

takes up a trait slot just to counter one single weapon

nty

[normal radish]

yes! thats a COUNTER MEASURE for silencers

there are 15 slots

and only 1-2 guys need to have it in a trio

[whole furnace]

But again, that is just more them missing the mark with their additions than lacking in releasing them.
Imagine if all the weapons and all the variants were good and well recieved, would you still say that the past 1.5 years have been lacking?

[vale gazelle]

Just make sure to use lvl 50 hunters and not retire them, retire gives 1500 bloodline exp which is the same as killing 75 zombies or 5 meatheads or 3.75 players
Not worth losing a character that can give 15k exp in a single good match

[normal radish]

instead of focusing on selfe benefiting perks, you could play for your team

[opal dawn]

I mean... Do weapon variants have that much to say anyways? It usually boils down to long ammo, auto-5's and dolch anyways

[normal radish]

one has serpent, one has vigilant. one has blast sense

[whole furnace]

But most silencers, due to their non-scoped nature doesn't have the general issue of being 100% inaudible bc they have to be closer to shoot :)

[opal dawn]

Ya blast sense feels like its only use is to counter the maynard

[vale gazelle]

That's the core problem, we don't get good content and we don't get as much content
Our cola tastes bad and it has no flavour variety
When before it at least had lots of variety and the bottle didn't randomly shatter and open badly

[normal radish]

so its a direct counter for maynard silencer, which can be used to negate other silencer, help navigate underground fights, and pinpoint elevation of enemy shooters for 2 points. i dont see why one should feel that they are helpless against maynard silencer.

[vale gazelle]

It's pretty much made for newbies, lack of hearing and vs Maynard
Because it doesn't work on bows and it doesn't work vs subsonic+silencet

[whole furnace]

Sure, but I still don't wanna go back to the old volume of released content.
I'd rather have a Drilling every 6th month than a Auto4 every 2nd month :)

[normal radish]

i just explained 3 other uses for it

[vale gazelle]

And in the past we would get a drilling and an auto4 every 2 months
And now we get auto4 every 3 months

[whole furnace]

Once again, don't like the idea of something being balanced around one specific counter :)

[whole furnace]

Wouldn't want that either honestly lol

[opal dawn]

Which is fair for newer players, but I rarely find myself wondering where shots are coming from

[normal radish]

we have perks that literally benefit one single item why cant it be other way around eh?

[whole furnace]

In what sense?

[vale gazelle]

Then you're basically a person of "I don't want people to have fun and have lots of toys to play with"

[normal radish]

so you can pinpoint shots from below componds just by hearing them? or against a cliff face with mulitle levels at +80 meters?

[whole furnace]

No, I just want good and meaningful content instead of a 50/50 shit sandwich of 1 good thing, but also 1 bad thing.

[vale gazelle]

Well you used to get 1 good + 1 bad before 1896 and now you get 1 bad or 1 okayish

[normal radish]

doctor only benefits one item, medkit f.e.

thats HEAVY 9 POINT PERK

[opal dawn]

No, but I usually know the layouts so I know where they could be based on aproximate shots

[vale gazelle]

Correct

[normal radish]

having 1 effect

literal

1 effect

[normal radish]

it helps improve that "approxmiate"

[mild flower]

medkit is something you need to bring, it's practically basekit, not really the same. you could have just said hundred hands.

[whole furnace]

1: I have issues with doctor and traits like that.
2: 1 thing that enhances for you =/= 1 thing that counters a special scenario/weapon/tool.

[normal radish]

you dont HAVE to. you can bring 3 regen and one vita and bring traps instead

[vale gazelle]

With the events taking like 1-3 slots with event perks I really struggle with getting all the perks I want
Some perks should be combined into one like scopesmith+steady aim or vigilant+blade sense/poacher

[normal radish]

nothing is limiting you

[opal dawn]

Sure, but not to a degree that I find worth picking it

[normal radish]

being able to counter something that bothers you is not an enhancement?

[whole furnace]

I bring doctor to enhance my med-kit, which is my choice and relevant to my gameplay.
But having to bring blast sense just in case someone is gonna play the 150m Silenced Maynard game is difference.

[normal radish]

maybe your not creative enough or simply didnt invest enough time in it to improve it

[normal radish]

it is different becaue your enemies dont play to YOUR liking

you have to

they aint playing for your fun

some dude might just love sniping in hunt

i should rage at them for ruining my cqc loadout fun?

no

i use tools at my disposal to FAIRLY counter them. not use wallhacks or smth

and by tools i mean perks, devices, intuition and comms

[whole furnace]

No, I just think as a fundamental design to Hunt it should be about risk/reward.
Being able to be inaudible from 150m away is leaves no risk

[normal radish]

yes sniping is LESS risky than cqc

in all games

but in most games

it has counters

[whole furnace]

So why make it EVEN LESS risky?

[vale gazelle]

Taking a perk that can give you nothing throughout the match is the literal embodiment of risk-reward

[normal radish]

and hunt has more than any

[normal radish]

up to this point, i agree with you totally

no argues that it IS less risky

but saying that its invincible now

as it IS now

that part i disagree with said examples and such

[whole furnace]

What trait is that?

[vale gazelle]

Blast sense

[normal radish]

i mean

yeh

[whole furnace]

I am not advocating for blast sense here

[normal radish]

you question the risk to reward thing

which is plausible

BEFORE blast sense and sub sonic

that gun had massive velo and drop

with no counter

basically tarkov axmc lapua blah blah

but now its toned down ALOT

[whole furnace]

Sure, but it still a very good rifle for sniping, if not the best.

[normal radish]

yeh its good

[vale gazelle]

Gotta also account that Maynard silencer player being 100m away is already struggling hard with velocity when he is facing a moving target
You can literally shift+W from Maynard sniper because of how precise you have to be with shots

[whole furnace]

There is literally no reason to bring a Sparks Sniper over Maynard Silenced w. HV.

[normal radish]

tbf i highly dislike the idea of a weapon variant having two attachments

but its done now

[vale gazelle]

Double tap range and close combat advantage

[normal radish]

were past that point and i hope it doesnt happen agaion

[whole furnace]

Sure, but even when they miss it ain't gonna give them away, they can just fall back and move to another location to try for another shot, rinse and repeat.

[normal radish]

but were not left defenseless

[normal radish]

like any other sniper

[vale gazelle]

I don't mind shorty+scope or shorty+melee
Tbh something like melee+scope could be also okay

[normal radish]

before you say its silenced imma say blast sense lol

[whole furnace]

Any other sniper is loud enough to give your position away.

[vale gazelle]

Its more about silencer+scope being the worst combination they could come up with

[whole furnace]

100%

[normal radish]

yep agreed, and blast sense is there to find that sneaky cheeky silencer user

again, i wish they stop doing scopes ans silencers

[whole furnace]

And blast sense is a dead trait 99% of the time, fun design.

[opal dawn]

Man I ain't picking blasty sense on a fresh hunter who has a big chance of facing off against that silenced sniper

[normal radish]

well. maybe to some, but i like it

[vale gazelle]

If Maynard would be sniper+bayonet it would be completely fine

[mild flower]

being forced to bring an otherwise useless trait just to counter a single badly designed weapon is obviously not good game design.

[whole furnace]

Imagine if there were a shotgun that could 1-tap you at 30m, but it was balanced around the fact there exist a trait that made you survive it.

Would that be fun good design? Would it feel interesting to pick that trait?

[normal radish]

i have no game designing exp so i donno if its good or bad, but introducing a counter is good sports always

[vale gazelle]

It was called bomb lance vs bulwark

[mild flower]

this is similar to the defensive traits we have that fuck over poison, bleed and fire but no one complains because it's just not as extreme

[vale gazelle]

And rn it's called explosive crossbow vs bulwark

[normal radish]

was about to say we had sth like it

[whole furnace]

Yeah, also you still gonna get bled, burned and toxicated.
Just not as badly.

[mild flower]

not when the counter is a trait that must be picked before the game, before you know what you're going up against. that just becomes a game of luck-based rock paper scissors.

[normal radish]

a good example is TANKS in redsec, a battle royal

but it also drops AT pack for teams close to them

[normal radish]

YES IT IS AN EXTRACTION SHOOTER

not comp game like cs

you might run into a dude with 2 katanas

OR TWO SHOTGUNS

you CANNOT be fully prepared

you MUST NOT have the abilty to be fully perpared

its not like cs

[mild flower]

if the entire balancing point of a weapon lies on that preperation, I think there should at least be something there without needing to bring it assuming you will encounter the weapon.

[normal radish]

a, b a bomb some entries

[vale gazelle]

Just shift+W against maynard

[whole furnace]

Agreed, looking at you 2-slot shotguns

[vale gazelle]

With the damage nerf of silencer it can't even 2-tap on the distance where it's inaudible

[normal radish]

a choke bomb provides visual cover, beetles provide AERIAl RECON.

[mild flower]

you know the whole point of a sniper is to get headshots, right?

[whole furnace]

To be fair, as soon you do that, they have already left their location if they play for misery.

[opal dawn]

If I don't run two 2-slots I run rifle + lemat these days, everybody got a shotgun now smh...

[whole furnace]

Hell yeah!
Me too :')

[normal radish]

aight on that front i kinda agree too, 2 slot shotties need tuning too but still nothing that is invincible

[mild flower]

I often don't even run a shotgun at all. It's hard.

[vale gazelle]

You are either dead in the head from the first shot and their position is no longer your business, or you Shift+W and their position is no longer your business if the can't catch you

If they miss first shot

[opal dawn]

I don't always either, but those matches I suffer more

[vale gazelle]

Because if you stand still giving a free headshot after hearing a bullet land to you with no shot sound you are a bot

[opal dawn]

Or heavily limits my push abilities since I just know there's shotties in that compound

[normal radish]

which can happen with any scoped rifle

[mild flower]

just because they miss the first shot doesn't mean they'll miss the second

[mild flower]

if you bring throwing axe/spear and surefoot it can help.

[vale gazelle]

If they manage to headshot me with silencer 100m away when I shift+W well lucky them

[normal radish]

or a dinamito

[vale gazelle]

When they are lucky it doesn't matter whether I know where they are or not because I would die to a random headshot anyway

[normal radish]

or they are just skilled snipers

[vale gazelle]

Which is like one in a million

[normal radish]

not in a million but

[vale gazelle]

100k

[normal radish]

yeh not common either

im sure we can negotiate that but yeh i get you

sniping is not as easy as people think in hunt

you may eventualy get 1 or 2 kills on unsuspecting enemies

but once they are aware

and counter measure are taken

it become much much harder

[vale gazelle]

With bullet drop it's way harder to headshot so if you stand still after hearing a blump next to your feet it's just skill issue, not silencer OP at this point

[normal radish]

common sense

[mild flower]

no one talked about standing still

[normal radish]

in tarkov there are thermal scopes, and bullets the size of a rocket. and no glint. no blast sense, no clues getting red

but still snipers dont always win

[vale gazelle]

Well when you don't know where the enemy is but you know that it's very hard for them to hit a shot and it takes 3 body taps to kills you I would rather shift+W than try finding him eventually killing myself by doing that

[normal radish]

cause why? COMMON SENSE

[mild flower]

because tarkov isn't hunt

[normal radish]

its harder

way harder

[vale gazelle]

Tarkov is way more tedious than harder

[normal radish]

biggus brainus

[vale gazelle]

Tedious ≠ hard

[normal radish]

some people equal tedious to hard

a lot

some dont

im among those who do

anyway

back to COMMON SENSE

aviod open areas, be patient, look where you go instead of blind shift W

usualy you shouldnt be able to cover hundreds of land in a battlezone

in a matter of seconds

advancing is tedious, needs coordinated team work and sometimes sacrifice

[vale gazelle]

You shift W to nearest house ofc

[normal radish]

yes if you hear whizzz

[vale gazelle]

And then move away by using it as visual obstruction

[normal radish]

but sometimes i turn around and shoot if im confident i can retaliate

or im just helplessly far from cover

[vale gazelle]

I mean that's if you know

[normal radish]

to try and lure their shot to reveal their location

[vale gazelle]

If you don't it's not worth trying after you got hit once or you spent more than 10 seconds searching

[left orbit]

not as much damage, i have better success with vett fmj iron eye

i mean to each their own to loop back with the beginning "vett needs buff", i think it really doesn't as it's now way better than what it was and a very compelling option. not for everyone because we all have different preferences but i've seen the vett being used way more than in the past so...

[trail spade]

The lion does not use cover
The lion full sends it through every noise trap and either wipes the lobby or dies trying

[normal radish]

lions do use stealth

and have p2w camo skins lol

[trail spade]

The lion does not understand sarcasm

[vale gazelle]

The lion spends 2 minutes searching for that Maynard silencer whilst screaming "where the fuc are you" and dying in the end

[trail spade]

And has early signs of dementia

[stone basin]

The lion shoots the enemy hunters with his gun

[normal radish]

i meant the animal

they often resort to stealth tech

as you know

they have melee builds

[vale gazelle]

The lion is a mammal animal living in safari

[normal radish]

no maynard silencer in the jungle

one thing that doesnt use stealth would be a

buffalo or a hippo

[mild flower]

https://tenor.com/ovTgGzWxGSh.gif

[normal radish]

so basically if you are playing like this your hunt spirit animal is a bowine

[vale gazelle]

Mosquito just flies

[mild flower]

they're referencing this meme #hunt-general message

[normal radish]

i know buddy im just like messing around lol

thanks though

[vale gazelle]

The lion does skibidi when brainrot

[mild flower]

dang

would have been a great pull before the silencer nerfs

[vale gazelle]

Prestige?

Or daily

Pestige I guess

Either way free skin

[mild flower]

prestige

i did it

[normal radish]

the skins kinda cool

[mild flower]

yea imma use it

may as well

[mild flower]

man no big regen is gonna be PAINFUL

[whole furnace]

At the beginning of prestige I run 3x small regen an 1x recovery shot.
It is not ideal, but it does the trick

[normal radish]

yeh you gotta be more careful when you pop it

i shorten my fight durations and play more aggresively when it nears the end of it

[spark plaza]

amogus

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/twerk-among-us-gif-10465341451181383588

[mild flower]

man the bloodline 1 traits are awful

[woven cape]

Hunt Snowdown ?

[opal dawn]

No Snow for Old Marshes

[queen shore]

lmao i love when i get into that situation where im not solo but my team died or disconnected and people sit on my body for like 10 mins thinking im solo

[normal radish]

its not 10 minutes though

its like 1:30

and if they got fire

its like 45 seconds

[urban steppe]

the 2 slot marathon.... IS REAL.

[queen shore]

well with this team it is they play kinda slow

[normal radish]

mares leg, pump action

it looks like a tf2 weapon lol

[opal dawn]

It does

[normal radish]

this weapon has reduced capacty but gives you 2.8% jump boost and diarhea

[opal dawn]

lmao

Guess the latter could benefit the former

[urban steppe]

yeah

[urban steppe]

LOL

[urban steppe]

Innate poison bomb 💀

[normal radish]

its either a scout weapon or a secondry for soldier

a 2 slot marathon would go kinda hard

pair that with a specter, said perks

[opal dawn]

I certainly wouldn't mind it

[normal radish]

i think we have enough pump actions now for slam firing

8 points

works on slate, speceter, marathon

[opal dawn]

Oh lord

[trail spade]

Slam fire would go hard

[normal radish]

and

if were lucky

mares leg marathon

[trail spade]

Someone said it wouldnt work on specter but idk

[normal radish]

its PUMP

[opal dawn]

There's a rifle, the Mondragon 1894. That thing could be slamfired, 5 rounds

[normal radish]

you slam that pump

[normal radish]

the one with a really complicated looking feeding chamber ?

[trail spade]

Idk it might not be slamfireable. Read about it like 2 weeks ago.. even if its the case irl it shouldnt matter in game

[opal dawn]

So you mean your hunter slams it? Cuz the Slate irl can become semi-auto, no need to manually pump it to continue the slamfire

[normal radish]

yes the one with really complicated looking feeding chamber

[trail spade]

Model 1882 (specter) has a trigger disconnector which would mean it cant be slamfired

[normal radish]

umm

yes

[normal radish]

well just slam it after it reconnects, duh

[normal radish]

isnt this the first straight pull rifle ever made?

[opal dawn]

That'd be the mannlicher 1886 I think, not 100% sure

[normal radish]

ah yes kudos to you

but 1886

damn you had to be tech savy to make something like that back then

[opal dawn]

The Schmidt-rubin 1889, also straight-pull. 12 fuggin' round mag

Let's get a new gun in Hunt everyone can complain about

[normal radish]

ooh looks like mosin could have competition

[opal dawn]

Slower velo but faster RoF AND enormous mag

[normal radish]

ah yes that mag IS gigantic in hunt terms

3 reserve boolets lol

[scarlet plinth]

Thoughts on vandal 73c with levering

[opal dawn]

It's more accurate than conversion fanning

Slower tho

[scarlet plinth]

:think

Lets see

I like mares leg in media but i keep forgetting it exist in hunt showdown

[opal dawn]

In Clash I sometimes take levering + QM, get infantry + vandal

Ofc with FMJ

[scarlet plinth]

Its just the accuracy and bullet drop a bit halfed right

Well ihave fmj

[opal dawn]

Yeah, accuracy and velo is worse on the vandal. It's not a very good gun, and is overshadowed by the Cent shorty and Obrez drum

[vale gazelle]

Just use double weak it's faster use and cheaper and can manage it between fights better

[mild flower]

thats what im doing ye

gonna switch back to big as soon as i get my hands on it tho

[urban steppe]

yeah

[uneven tiger]

what should with bloodbonds im new

[fathom shale]

They are mainly for skins, only "useful" thing gameplay wise you can buy with them is hunter or loadout slots, loadout slots are less useful imo

[uneven tiger]

iv got 500 do i buy a spear skin its pretty good i think

[fathom shale]

If you like the look of it then go for it

Since it's all cosmetic it's up to you to decide

[granite blade]

if you play it alot or plan to then sure, but i wouldnt get a skin for something that i wont use just because it looks good tbh

[uneven tiger]

i see alot of people using the spear

[granite blade]

its good ye, personally i would get a skin for spear since i do use it nearly exclusively

but maybe you are different, idk

[uneven tiger]

im too lazy to grind to level 30 when i prestige

[woven cape]

[royal cloak]

add a banana hunter

[vale gazelle]

Best option of "skins-price" is buying the battle pass, it costs 1000 BB but gives back 600 if you complete it

Just do weeklies and you will advance the BP level really fast

Each set of weekly challenges gives back 50 BB, so doing 8 weekly sets + whole BP will give 1000 BB setting you even and basically making skins free

You don't have to own premium pass to do weekly challenges that give BB currency

[mild flower]

should be even better in 2026 with the seasonal bp system

so, more time to complete it

but hopefully that doesn't mean they'll pad it

[vale gazelle]

Honestly hunt has been the only consumer friendly battle pass aside from EFT arena
However, BSG made it money locked with no in-game currency option with the last update so Hunt is victorious
I still want my accolodate cards giving BB though
And I hate their secret nerfs of golden cash registers and BB pouches

[mild flower]

The Finals has a very consumer friendly battlepass system imo.

They even let you go back and fill in previous BPs. No FOMO

[uneven tiger]

can there be a spear skin in the bp

[vale gazelle]

Does it take ~40 hours to max lvl like hunt and pays 100% back?

And is it possible to buy the pass by eventually playing and if so how long it takes

[granite blade]

sadly, there already was 1 recently in the last bp

[mild flower]

not sure on that, not saying it's friendly in the same way as hunt, but the lack of FOMO is great

[uneven tiger]

damn it

last bp i was saving up money to buy hunt

[vale gazelle]

Hunt also got rid of it with the 1896 update, only like 5-10% of skins are mythical if you haven't noticed, everything else the devs plan to monetize again

All the skins before 1896 tho are mythicsl

[mild flower]

Which is very nice

[vale gazelle]

Yeah

[mild flower]

although no direct time travelling for previous battlepasses

[vale gazelle]

As long as skins aren't tradable/sellable in steam, making them accessible is good

[mild flower]

Feel like we're throwing some shade to a particular something in this message..

[tawny frost]

and stole your carriage....

[mild flower]

https://tenor.com/bOq70.gif

[uneven tiger]

must u do every single weekly task or just some to complete bp

[vale gazelle]

Csgo update was quite the opposite, making knives accessible was a good change because Chinese player base ruined the skin market turning it into crypto rather than actual pixels

You used to be able to buy a knife for 40$

[mild flower]

also ruined lives tho

[vale gazelle]

Those who put their life savings into a bunch of digital things are only themselves to blame

[mild flower]

I can see the reasoning there but they are still human, that's kind of weird to say

should probably change subject seeing as we are edging on politics/banned topics

[granite blade]

only doing the weeklies wont be enough iirc, you get like 70-80% of it. of course this is assuming you arent taking your time to kill as many extra special ai as possible and doing everything you can every match to min-max points while also doing the challenges.

[vale gazelle]

You live in a world full of physical objects, if you decide that it's better to spend your entire material matter into something that exists within 0s and 1s it's a problem of logic

The market has restored after weeks and those who panicked or made irreversible actions are fools

[vale gazelle]

I wouldn't call it politics, it's game update news but ye

[uneven tiger]

ok but why are some of my weeklys locked

[vale gazelle]

1/6 weeklies in every week is a premium challenge that gives BP exp

[granite blade]

1 weekly every week is reserved for people that have bought the pass

[vale gazelle]

It's unlocked upon buying premium pass

[opal dawn]

Because they haven't been unlocked yet, week 10 isn't until week 10 into the battlepass

[keen wind]

for past 3 days 200 ms in asia 🙁 whats the matter

[mild flower]

game update news that had a very serious affect on people's actual lives. Don't know if you've heard how serious it was, but anyway

Prestige struggles are real, lack of traits and tools/consumables is hurting but saving up for bp will probably be worth it

[uneven tiger]

idk but mine is fine

[granite blade]

oh, i guess they could have meant that too

[opal dawn]

That's how I understood it atleast, I could also be wrong

[vale gazelle]

100% worth if the grind is smooth
Focus of using exp posters and my personal favorite kit is centy shorty silencer + bomb launcher with default + steel ball

You use short for mid range combat and killing ai thanks to poison and you use bomb launcher to one shot meatheads, bears(for 300exp+trait) and fast kill boss, whilst steel ball is a really good shotgun

[keen wind]

why am i facing this 🙁

[vale gazelle]

Centy shorty with poison btw

[uneven tiger]

possibly your wifi

[mild flower]

you go solo or randoms?

i find that I might need to rely more on randoms when I'm so limited in loadout

[vale gazelle]

1800 hours never played with randoms

[keen wind]

in valo its perfectly fine, 27 ms but in hunt its 200+

[vale gazelle]

Solo or friends, never randoms

[vale gazelle]

Valid option, but IMO just start off with centennial poison, kill ai to level it up, unlock shorty silencer and pair it with bomb launcher

If you want to follow my kit

I also started using 2 big stamina + 2 small regen for max traversal

If you focus on prestiging you should make getting 50 hunter and keeping him alive as #1 priority, avoid bounty combat if it feels risky, better not get bounty and keep lvl 50 than lose him at risk and then grind 2-3 matches again

As a solo your sweetest reward is getting Croc/hellborn

[mild flower]

will definetely be interesting, I've always played with the single goal of finding and winning pvp engagements

[opal dawn]

If you have a 50 Hunter, try to grind for Death Cheat

Cuz every XP you get with a 50 hunter gives you bloodline XP instead

[vale gazelle]

If you're eu I'm willing to help you out with the strat some day

I'm sleep deprived ATM not sure if can do today

[mild flower]

Nuh, I'm upside down sorry

we are as far away as can get

[vale gazelle]

Oh, in that case I can only uh guide through stream

At max

[opal dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/upside-down-hello-there-gif-22881253

[mild flower]

your advice here will be enough

[vale gazelle]

Furthest would be Portugal but I'm closer to asia

[mild flower]

but ty for the offer

[vale gazelle]

Spending entire raid for it is eh, it's more about it being a sweet surprise than anything

Dropping from all the exploded meatheads or at the spider lair

[quiet hinge]

the prestige system is horrible, truly

[vale gazelle]

Yeah, I feel very sad I didn't abuse infinite death cheat

I started it literally 2 days before fix and got 7 prestiges in like 10 hours

People who got 100p with death cheat bug are completely different people from 100p without death cheat

[quiet hinge]

idk about that

i think its just shit in general, and good on the people who did it with the bug lmao

[vale gazelle]

The lack of rewards makes it not worth it

[granite blade]

it was smart to do it during the bug given how stupid prestige is

[vale gazelle]

Especially as a person who did star trials that I wished to get expanded, getting some prestiges is absolutely empty reward

[quiet hinge]

it depends, before they added the new rewards i had no interest in prestiging then john victor came out and he's like the closest thing we have to bloodborne i think

[vale gazelle]

All the skins like last resort tartufei cordwainer etc it's just an empty prestige for me
I wish I would get random legendary instead

[quiet hinge]

sure, they've done a lot to make prestiging better like removing unlocking ammo types, but it's still shit

[granite blade]

yea it really comes down to personal preference

personally nothing in the prestige system is worth me going through that pain

[vale gazelle]

The sweetest thing they did was near-doubling ai kill exp

In regard to prestige

[granite blade]

i like being able to play anything i want to

[vale gazelle]

P10-p19 giving a total of 900 BBs

[opal dawn]

I'm just happy we're getting another Mosin skin with the new DLC/BB hunter coming out 😌

[granite blade]

and?

[quiet hinge]

nice bait

[granite blade]

just because that is worth it to you doesnt mean it has to be worth it to me :v

[vale gazelle]

God I hate mosin skins
I wished so bad that we would win the berthier riposte skin

[opal dawn]

C'mon, take it

[vale gazelle]

I have like 4 mosin skins already

[junior condor]

if ive been a victim of my account being hacked, and being banned on hunt whilst no control of my account, can i get the gameban rectified ?

it happened to a friend of mine too

[granite blade]

!support

[graceful hedge]

Instructions on how to reach out can be found here: #customer-support.

[quiet hinge]

LOL

[vale gazelle]

If you're speaking truth then yes contact support

[granite blade]

contact support directly, no one here can help you

[quiet hinge]

thats gotta be the funniest unban request i've ever seen

[junior condor]

sweet, i did email but didnt get a response

[quiet hinge]

btw it happened to my friend

and me too

lol

[granite blade]

use the site

[opal dawn]

Almost 250k more kills for the Unquiet...

[mild flower]

is clash viable seeing as you can get tons of hunter kills quickly? or does it give less exp in clash

[junior condor]

its mental, hadnt played in like 3 years and my account got hacked into and banned lol

[quiet hinge]

viable in what way? for prestiging?

[mild flower]

yeah

[quiet hinge]

anything is viable, but it would be slow as fuck in clash

[mild flower]

howcome

[opal dawn]

Right now it's Bounty Hunt and grinding for XP posters

[vale gazelle]

Sealed exp posters and abundance of meatheads is a safer and more passive way of stable leveling
I would recommend bounty clash only as a head start for lvl 1 hunter due to how easy it is to lose a lvl 50 there for just a single bounty

[quiet hinge]

because you want to sit on a level 50 hunter for the entire time till level 92 and then retire it

[mild flower]

makes sense, cause constant event

[opal dawn]

Meatheads also give 400xp, bears too I think, so you can get a lot from just clearing a couple of compounds

[quiet hinge]

and when I say sit on a level 50 hunter I mean you only play that level 50 hunter

[vale gazelle]

Wrong, lvl 92 would bring you to like lvl 93

[quiet hinge]

okay

[vale gazelle]

Retiring gives 1500 bloodline exp whilst all the last levels require like 1000 exp per level or 2000, unsure

[quiet hinge]

its crazy how people are so brazen to call someone wrong when they have no idea themselves

[opal dawn]

It gets slower as you progress, I think point-wise it's rank 67 you're about halfway to a prestige

[vale gazelle]

I just know that you're not even close to the truth and I give approximate number that is closer

[vale gazelle]

Ye similar to how hunter levels work, first levels being 200-400 and last being 1000

[quiet hinge]

oh okay lol

you get 10000 xp for retiring a level 50 hunter, which at level 92 makes you level 100

[vale gazelle]

I haven't prestiged in a few months and haven't played hunt actively since week 3-4 of the event so I lost some sense in regard of bloodline exp numbers

[mild flower]

https://tenor.com/t5PGB8YJaQM.gif

[vale gazelle]

Has that been changed and I missed that patchnote?

[opal dawn]

Hey I've been playing with a couple of heavy prestigers!

[quiet hinge]

i've literally went from prestige 1 to 100 recently, but what would i know

[mild flower]

oh, grandpa, you don't get it do you

[vale gazelle]

Since the last patch they ever touched retiring hunters was when they removed option to retire lvl 25+ and made lvl 50 give 1500 instead of 5000

[mild flower]

you're gettin old

[vale gazelle]

Unless they changed something in few recent patches and I clearly missed it

[mild flower]

how is it possible to not know about 67

i wish i lived in such bliss

[opal dawn]

Brain-rot evolves, and soon you'll be in that bliss

[vale gazelle]

I should check the warning next time I boot the game to see if it says 10000 now

[quiet hinge]

ya cause i probably doctor'd that screenshot to prove myself right

[opal dawn]

Back in my day 69 was the funny number and we liked it that way!

[granite blade]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-16205958874527563542

[vale gazelle]

You don't have to be aggressive for no valid reason

[quiet hinge]

if this is what aggression feels like to you, whew i'm jelly. The only reason i'm giving you a hard time is because of what I stated before, people are so brazen to say people are wrong when they have no clue themselves

[vale gazelle]

I will go check patch notes because now that you show it I gained some flashback of it being a thing that I didn't pay much attention too, anyway I stand corrected about 1500 exp

[vale gazelle]

Having no clue ≠ having outdated information/forgetting

[quiet hinge]

lol even more of a reason to not call someone wrong though no?

[opal dawn]

You're both wrong. There. Now I'M the John Victor of this convo

[quiet hinge]

i think the last change they did to retiring hunters was you use to get xp based off level of the hunter when retiring the hunter and then they nerfed retiring at 50 as well, it use to be more than 10k

but that was like when 2.0 came out, so 1896 patch

[granite blade]

it used to actually be a considerable option for money

[quiet hinge]

I think back then before the deathcheat bug, you would play one game with a hunter, then retire it

[granite blade]

now its just ass and better to just win a match

[quiet hinge]

and play a new hunter

[latent bay]

can you fan with precision pistols

[opal dawn]

With Catalyst yes

Or maybe with just fanning now, used to be with catalyst last patch

[latent bay]

Ah ok, I just saw it on a YT vid and never seen that in my life before

[vale gazelle]

Not knowing the topic and calling someone wrong is more wrong than correcting someone when you know the topic but happen to have outdated information

[opal dawn]

Just get fanning and go into shooting range, if you can fan it, then you can

If not try with empress card and get catalyst trait

[latent bay]

I dont care that much to check

Ty though

[vale gazelle]

I wish he would have voice lines, would be worth it to get p100 since he's voiced by Geralt VA

[opal dawn]

VA lore bits would be great, but I don't know if I want any in-game voices

[vale gazelle]

When they changed xp rewards and made guns unlocks be personal instead of team-farmed they changed retirement system
It used to be available since lvl 25 and worked under the logic of 1 lvl = 100 bexp
They made it locked to lvl 50 only and tuned it down to 1500 for doing so
If my memory came back the 10k exp retirement happened same update when they nerfed lvl 100 overflow to giving 1000 hunt dollars instead of 3000 and taking 25000 exp instead of 5000?

[vale gazelle]

What about client only (only your or maybe teammates hear) commentary after successful headshot or death comments?

[opal dawn]

Oh, oh absolutely not

It'd be 100% stupid ass marvel quips

[quiet hinge]

why are you asking me for patch information

[granite blade]

when sound is so important i dont want my teammate's character saying voice lines just because they play that char for attention

[vale gazelle]

Because I don't remember whether 10k exp was with 25k overflow update or someday else

[vale gazelle]

Volume meter in settings for voice lines?

[quiet hinge]

it use to be more than 10k when retiring a level 50 hunter before that update

[granite blade]

then yea i have no problem with it tbh

[quiet hinge]

you prestige at 92 with a 50 hunter because blood goes to 1500 at like 67 making it so the 10k makes it so you hit 100

[pallid plank]

guys someone down for hunt?

[vale gazelle]

Fanning on two handed is now base kit, no catalyst needed, works outside of event

Uppermat with devil card and fanning feels fun

[opal dawn]

Wish you could fan the lemat carbine

[vale gazelle]

Would be op

[opal dawn]

Next Catalyst function

[vale gazelle]

Though tbh after fmj increasing recoil lemat feels like ass with fmj

It used to be my chill gun but now when I can't fmj with comfort it's pain

Worst change of unnecessary changes, second worst being high velo DMG+capacity+speed nerf

Nerfing 3 stats at once was too much

Fmj recoil nerf made many guns no more fun
Like musket Winchester fmj, lemat fmj, marathon fmj, all of them have become unfun

[opal dawn]

Yeah, I'd rather have the HV speeds back

Or maybe the ammo count

[vale gazelle]

I would prefer speed

[opal dawn]

Overall yes

[latent bay]

I love lemat carbine default rounds 3 chest shot kills at 31m

:)

[vale gazelle]

Low ammo and less damage was more incentive to "make every shot count"
Whilst speed nerf was just "lol it's worse now"

Like if HV got damage nerf because "its so fast it passes through" why when it comes to penetration it's suddenly "it's regular bullet"
Same with how fmj now suddenly has more recoil as if it has more powder charge
If it has more powder charge then why when it comes to speed it's suddenly "bullet heavy - gunpowder push weaker"

Like those nerfs contradict logic

[opal dawn]

It's just to punish spam weapons

Or spam-capable weapons with fanning/levering

[vale gazelle]

Fanning didn't get affected by fmj recoil a single bit, maybe chain pistol at max
As for the high velocity, dmg makes sense, capacity is balance, but speed is absurd

[quiet hinge]

fmj change is fine imo, hv nerf ammo count should be upped, and the damage on the vetterli with HV should probably still be 125 and not lower

[vale gazelle]

Nah damage and count should remain, the speed nerf needs to be reverted

It basically made Springfield HV barely worth it now

[opal dawn]

I get why the Vett would be 124, otherwise it'd just overshadow the Cent tbh

[vale gazelle]

Same for vetterli

[quiet hinge]

the only damage change i'd want is to the vetterli with hv, that gun got fucked over every other gun with the hv changes

[vale gazelle]

Veterli in general just needs a buff

[quiet hinge]

i dont think vetterli needs a buff at all

[opal dawn]

It's great now wdym

[vale gazelle]

500m/s base or better iron sights

[quiet hinge]

they buffed the shit out of the fire rate

[vale gazelle]

It's ass because it's too slow boolet and irons are horrible and can be fixed with suppressor but because sups are trashed it makes it bad

If sups will not cut dmg then I will always run sup better life just to have better irons

[quiet hinge]

sups are trashed?

[vale gazelle]

Yes the dmg nerf made them bad

[opal dawn]

Lower velo + dmg

[quiet hinge]

suppressed weapons are still strong as fuck

suppressed weapons are louder now, but faster velocity

[vale gazelle]

Nah they're trash
Only useful sup is Maynard but I hate Maynard sniping and bornheim
Also shorty silencer is good

[quiet hinge]

also they dont get the silencer debuff for damage fall off range

[vale gazelle]

Vetterli, Winchester, sparks, sparks pistol, all of them got trashed

[quiet hinge]

thats delusion

to the highest degree

[vale gazelle]

Delusion is thinking that 135 dmg sparks is good

[quiet hinge]

all silencer guns got a HV buff at the cost of being heard from 150m away

[vale gazelle]

HV kills the entire purpose of a silencer

[quiet hinge]

with subsonic, which brings them almost back to their original state, can be heard from 50m with compact and medium, and 80m with long

sorry I meant velocity, not HV

every silencer across the board got a velocity buff

[vale gazelle]

Ah

Yes but it's audible from 100m now

Which is balance

[quiet hinge]

its audible from 150m

[vale gazelle]

Damage nerf made them trash

[quiet hinge]

no lol

[vale gazelle]

I doubt you will hear 150m away when your footsteps and ambience cover it

[quiet hinge]

the damage didn't matter, matter of fact they got even better with the 1896 update

because soft headshots no longer exist

making the frontier silenced a spam shooting subsonic weapon that only aims for heads

[vale gazelle]

Shorty silencer > Winchester silencer

[quiet hinge]

not for subsonic no

[vale gazelle]

I don't use subsonic

Subsonic is only useful for idk what
For Maynard it's useless because you're far away
For krag maybe?

[quiet hinge]

what?

[vale gazelle]

If subsonic would give extra refill instead of extra reserve for small and medium it would be nice

[quiet hinge]

you have it completely opposite

[mild flower]

"For maynard it's useless because you're far away"? What? That's what makes it useful.

[quiet hinge]

krag silenced should never be subsonic

it loses way too much for it

[opal dawn]

Maynard subsonic makes it virtually an untraceable gun

Missed? So what, they ain't finding you

[vale gazelle]

Because it's inaudible without subsonic because of long range plays

[quiet hinge]

exactly, same applies to frontier silenced

anything outside of 50m will not hear you

[mild flower]

I misread and thought you were talking about silencer in general, but I still disagree.

You are commonly playing at under 100 m even with a sniper

the map is only 1km by 1km big

[quiet hinge]

it doesn't matter what blast sense exists as well

if you aren't using subsonic with a silencer and one person has blast sense they know exactly where you are

therefore his entire team knows where you are

[mild flower]

tru

[vale gazelle]

Idk usually if you're truly sniping you're playing at 100m range
If you play at sub 100 it's usually you either play like you normally do but for some reason brought a sniper or you got suddenly struck by an enemy

[quiet hinge]

ya cause who would want to get a pick at like 70 m then push the body

[vale gazelle]

Blast sense is used by like 1-5% of people mostly being newbies that need help with orientation, or hard of hearing people
If a person takes this perk he deserves to know where I am

[vocal zealot]

Heya guys

[quiet hinge]

i take it every game, because chuckle fucks dont take subsonic in silenced weapons and shoot dog cages and rat themselves out 200m away

[vale gazelle]

Good

You're in that 1-5%

[quiet hinge]

its like dauntless to me lol

[mild flower]

nah playing like I normally do is like 60 m ranges at most
anything above 60 is very uncommon for me

[vale gazelle]

I don't take it, if I see Maynard sniper I just shift+W

And he fails

[quiet hinge]

honestly, when someone runs at me when i'm using a maynard sniper i welcome it

because they're just gonna get spammed by a bornheim match

[vale gazelle]

Well ye

[mild flower]

quartermaster would like to have a word with you then

[vale gazelle]

It's a free kill

[quiet hinge]

its definitely a free kill, for the maynard user

[vale gazelle]

And what you're going to do, use a shotgun at 100m range to wall bang a house?

[wary flower]

My greatest achievement

[mild flower]

uh no they will use their maynard for that

[vale gazelle]

Too bad, I shift+w already after first shot

Now you gotta chase me through 10 houses

[quiet hinge]

if you run away its fine for the maynard

[mild flower]

oh, you shift w AWAY?

[vale gazelle]

Of course

[quiet hinge]

lol

[mild flower]

fair enough.

[wary flower]

Based

[vale gazelle]

If a rat rats I will just not deal with it

[wary flower]

Trueeee

[vale gazelle]

If I hear a silent thud I just don't stop moving and get away

[mild flower]

shush you don't get to have an opinion

[quiet hinge]

last night me and the boys were all using silenced bornheims with subsonic

30 bullets down range in like 3 seconds

[wary flower]

:(