hunt-general

[remote moss]

yeah i remember now

lol

[normal radish]

aight ill check it out

[remote moss]

@lofty parrot eu 6 star aka players that hide around then die to anyone who doesnt peek in the open, right?

[mortal cove]

That's fair, I play in EU, which seems a bit sweatier than US from my experience

[normal radish]

i will flex when you arent around

[eager trench]

when i play EU in 6* its all dudes camping their butts off as if their real life was in danger

[mortal cove]

Everytime I play on 6* US servers I feel like I play against EU 4* players

Well, most of the time

[remote moss]

it sucks to bully the players that actually play the game and push

always punished by the one who waits

[lofty parrot]

Matchmaking was always "broken" even when I learned the game with 2 helpfull buddies and just reached 3* back then - we got 6* solos or duos pretty often

[remote moss]

The One Who Waits, thats a cool hunter name

lol

[sick temple]

No

There is a huge misconception about playstyles on 6 xd

This is why so many suggestions clash regarding ELO differences

like people asking "oh slate needs a buff"

Like dude

lmao

[remote moss]

sure there is, you have people that play the game, then the average 6 star that just chills and waits around until they have advantage

they dont actively try to do anything, just sit on their asses in a comfy safe spot

[sick temple]

Not at all, there are 6* that play the game

[remote moss]

punish a peek

yeah thats what i said

except theyre not the norm

[sick temple]

Rotating and counter rotating is one popular strategy the game has dude

[remote moss]

even in na, early event is when you get the most aggressive players

[lofty parrot]

Yep Eu

[sick temple]

I dont know where you equate that 6* are trees

they arent

[normal radish]

ma man, thats called immersion

[remote moss]

ok ill be specific, they do nothing but move around in safe spots and punish someone for doing a bad peek out of boredom

THEN they push

[sick temple]

OFc course there are some campers that wait around if you triggered any sound trap to ambush your team

But that doesnt mean everyone plays like that

there are people (i reckon i exist as a nearby example) that somewhat enjoy playing the game

actively

im not a tree branch

[eager trench]

i've spent the last like 2000 hours doing mostly meme kits and still always been super high up in brackets... you definitely dont gotta cower in fear to play these lobbies like a lot do lol

[sick temple]

im not a rock neither

[normal radish]

wow capitalizing on a window of opportunity, thats a smart tree innit

[mortal basin]

My go to strategy as a 6* is loading back into the menu to make a new loadout

[lofty parrot]

Uhh no not at all
Only the solo croco skins ppl do this
Else higher MMR Eu is pretty tactical and much more sound based than the wildfire shooting US servers

[sick temple]

Now you dont

[remote moss]

fuck am i missing here

[sick temple]

you can run an officer carabine with a melee and if you are good enough you get at least 2 kills

Back then it was way harder to get to "high" 6

now its a walk in the park

[remote moss]

well, its mostly that they sit around in the back way too often, only waiting for advantage is a bore since its the stuff that leads to stalemates where the best eu experience is being able to 3rd party

killing them is as easy as not rushing them in the open, and it always pisses me off because its boring even when you inevitably win

[normal radish]

a stalemate has two sides, and if you are in one then that means half the blame is on you

[remote moss]

ok tell that to everyone who stalemates and the people that play the game end up dying to 3rd party more often than not

[eager trench]

officer still has a good spammablitity and stuff, im talking legit memes like hammers and poison bolts type stuff lol most of my games are just goofing around

[remote moss]

gotta hope you have enough time to "counter rotate" and punish the rats before someone gets close

[normal radish]

thats what rear guard, and pathing are for, beside the fact most compounds have a lot of inner layers of cover now

[remote moss]

disengaging so you can capitalize on the 3rd party 3rd partying is all im hearing

lol

[lofty parrot]

Completely diff playstyle in both regions and cuz of the diff style the "skills" are also diff

Had this conversation recently here
I watched several high MMR US streamers for several days and noticed many things

1. Their "reactions" are pretty damn good
2. They kinda play like they are all deaf cuz all are 24/7 running and making noises xD
3. EU players have faaaaaar better aiming and play more tactical

Dats why u have muuuch more CQC battles on US Server and much mor Mid/Long Range battles with waiting and ciclyng on EU servers

[eager trench]

the best anti stalemate weapon got the boot 🙁 explosive crossbow rip

[sick temple]

A hs popper pretty much, I run carabine C with melees and double derringer and it works xd

[mortal basin]

Same. I goof around all the time. Sometimes, if I'm feeling extra goofy, I'll even throw on a Dolch claw instead of Dolch P

[normal radish]

or clearing "pockets" of space inside of a compound then slowly but steadily applying pressure

[remote moss]

im not sure about the aim thing, a lot of hunt is preaiming and theyre just betting on easy peek spots at long range

[lofty parrot]

And then psyyyych u always rush xD
Confuse them 😄

[remote moss]

less instances of badass flicks and raw aim, more instances of being able to aim at where someone is peeking while at long range

[mortal cove]

Most Hunt players being deaf is not really an US thing

[eager trench]

i like doing dumb stuff too like brining all throwable weapons or someshit lol

[remote moss]

yeah taunt them so they see your name then rush in deep

thats the shit

[sick temple]

And it works because people are bad af dont get me wrong lmao

[mortal cove]

But I don't really blame that on the players themselves but most gamers using the cheapest, most trash sounding earbuds and headphones the universe has on offer

[green basalt]

What a great day, the only skin I was going to buy and I now get it from twitch drops

[normal radish]

hey

[sick temple]

Signifying this isnt really the highest bracket the game has to offer and rather instead just pushes people there

[remote moss]

i also dont see many deaf players in NA, a lot of fights suck cause one team hunkers down and everyone rushes the first instance of noise over in higher 6 star. gotta kill them fast or a 3rd party is guaranteed

then low 6 star na is where uhhhh, youll see more rats too scared to 3rd party, more interested in ambushing after getting info

[mortal cove]

There is 0 excuses when you can get solid IEMs for like 20usd

But instead people buy JBL shit for like 50usd that sounds like trash

[lofty parrot]

TBF U can always cycle and push
Or outcamp them with snipes
There is always something u can do

[mortal cove]

or whatever other marketing driven mainstream brand

[sick temple]

He doesnt need audio. Left ear is for pure evil and right for mockery and shenanigans

[remote moss]

i know i know, it just sucks to play when youre not down for it

[eager trench]

idk about better aiming... tactical sure cause they're terrified of soundtraps but almost all the people i die to hitting nutty as shots are NA

[remote moss]

thats why stalemates exist anyway, people prefering hiding over gameplay

[normal radish]

i like my earbuds, they have LEFT and RIGHT on them i swear

[eager trench]

Real men scare all soundtraps, play with their default monitor speakers and run the fucking chad hammer

[lofty parrot]

Nahhhh
I mean I actual fights and shootouts
Sry but the US aim is much worse
I saw so many videos and Stream of high MMR US streamers (and their enemies) who shoot and aimed worse than 3* EU
100%

but like I said
The reaction is better and the CQC awarness

[remote moss]

in my defense, i watch more EU streamers like rachta so i cant trust or verify what you say about aim

[lofty parrot]

But pretty more commong over there 😄

[remote moss]

i agree with the awareness and reaction time though

[sick temple]

When I played on EAST (sorry got confused lmao) US everyone seemed more pushy, friendly, but speaking about ingame mechanics and learning etc

worse than your average random at 6

though i rather appreciate that instead of pure sweat

[dense sleet]

East is a good time

[remote moss]

west is cursed, always play east

[sick temple]

Im from EU, wont play on west

(personally)

[remote moss]

im from east and ill invade your EU servers with 200ms ping every day to spite you

[normal radish]

i once played on east, and it felt like clubbing seals. absolute chaotic matches but, totally predictable

[sick temple]

yall do whatever you want

[sick temple]

And you think you are special XD

[lofty parrot]

1. I dont wanna troll or blame u if its sound like dat ^^
2. I just can tell u what I saw over several days
   I heard an enemy trio running next to the streamer like 15 sec before he noticed... and yes both parties where sprinting and yes both didnt realized the other one...

[sick temple]

Most of the 6* pool isnt even from EU

Its actually hard to find EU people

more so that speak english altogether

[remote moss]

anyway, i appreciate you, but remember that streamers dont represent the average player

fortunately

[elder pumice]

which side has more people US west or east?

[remote moss]

east

[dense sleet]

East bc of EU players on it

[remote moss]

its fun playing with the russians

[lofty parrot]

Sure
Dats why I leave Night fog/rain matches 90% of the time instantly

[dense sleet]

i fight a lot of LAM players as well on East its kinda funny

[eager trench]

east isnt even comparable to any other server tbh. East is full of people with varying pings and stuff some days you only run into people who dont even speak english somedays its all jsut clans some days its all goobers.

[dense sleet]

i dont even have that issue like ever

i only play east

[sick temple]

Its normal, because their servers totally suck

[remote moss]

see, funny how our experiences are all bullshit different

[sick temple]

I feel sad for my latam brothers

Terrible servers, prolly the worse ones

even worse than OCE

And the fact they only have 1

[eager trench]

would be pretty nice if Na could get a midwest server

[sick temple]

But its good in the sense that (like US) everyone at least communicates, as you either speak spanish, portuguese or french

[sick temple]

A central america one would make more sense

NA has already 2 servers

[normal radish]

combine them together

[lofty parrot]

Not only the streamers
I saw their enemies as well
Everyone perfomance was.... not worthy their MMR
Not compared to EU

[eager trench]

ye, and for midwest people the ping is high enough that normal people would cry they're lagging lol

[lofty parrot]

OH HELL NO

[eager trench]

the lowest ping ive legit ever had in hunt was like 55

[sick temple]

Said nobody ever

[pale nymph]

Im getting fatigued from cheaters man

[sick temple]

3/10 bait

[pale nymph]

It's every other game man

[eager trench]

all the dudes i play with cry about going over like 40 as if it mattered lol

[normal radish]

the good old "russians" bait. lacks creativity 4/10

[forest holly]

they prob have super human reaction to notice the delay

[eager trench]

every other game is wild

[forest holly]

[pale nymph]

Are you playing on EU?

[eager trench]

sometimes, mostly NAE tho

[lofty parrot]

Maybe he is just not "used and hard annoyed" to them yet as we are...

[pale nymph]

Today it's particularly bad

[eager trench]

to me i just vibe, if i i die i die i dont give a shit most the time about whether they may or may not be.... all i know is pretend to be russian and play as bad as you can and youll still have people instantly assume hacks kek

[lofty parrot]

When I asked a russian friend why so many russians dont play und russian servers
His Answer: Other russians...

I nearly died there laughing

[pale nymph]

Earned Reputation, that's how it work.s

[sick temple]

Oh, you are too nice. I heard it too many times so creativity isnt there for me, hence he gets a 3/10 and not a 4/10

[eager trench]

nah works universally tbh... play NA put any country that isnt NA and you'll get comments...

[sick temple]

I play on RUS as I have identical ping on EU (because rerouting) and its.... meh

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-thinking-capcom-ace-attorney-naruhodo-gif-19478405

[lofty parrot]

Well u dug ur own grave there

[sick temple]

No its actually better than EU, or at least, emptier, there are players from asian regions too, but that happens too on EU quite a lot

I went expecting russians and I found EU playerbase trying to run lmao

I wouldnt mind that type of scenarios since both parties have similar pings and its somewhat balanced in that sense

[forest holly]

how to convince friend to get back into hunt?

[sick temple]

you dont

[forest holly]

[sick temple]

they are your friend, you spare him the suffering

as being "friends" entails some particular things

[lofty parrot]

Tell them u will make their browser history public

[dense sleet]

Hunt isnt nearly as bad as other games ive played lol

[pale nymph]

weird, then why are we talking abotu russians?

[forest holly]

ill try

[sick temple]

The players are

100%

Anti-fun, toxic, racist, whatever

Like your average league or gta lobby

If the people took this game more lightly (as they should: you lose nothing), there wouldnt be any problems of the sort

Right now its a steam comment farming simulator

Either you are an instant cheater, a rat, an (insult) that uses (x) weapon, or even a ping abuser on your own region (not sure how that works)

[pale nymph]

If you didn't have cheaters, you would have a better community don't you think? Shouldn't that be a priority?

Who wants cheating anyway? if the cheats were impossible to pull off, nobody could say "cheaters" right

[dense girder]

That's like the opposite of what I've seen so far ngl. Granted I don't play with randoms, but judging from the community from this discord server here at least, the majority are pretty mature and adults. Comparing Hunt's community to other games like R6 or Rust, Hunt is so much better

[eager trench]

because its currently in russian, ive done it with french, chinese, russian, middle eastern, all kinds of stuff tbh

[sick temple]

I have 2K hours on R6 (since op health, no longer play nowdays) and granted there are people like that, but same as in Hunt, so nothing really new or unexpected

If you play with randoms you would see

I play with friends 80% of the time dont get me wrong

cause it just becomes unbearable

[eager trench]

i get that one a lot. even when the name is in english people will still say ping abusing LOL

[sick temple]

People do name swapping and put theirselves as russian/chinese on their steam accounts or other outside population to create urgency I suppose

Not a bad reversal tactic; by creating a problem and making it annoying it creates a sense of urgency

[pale nymph]

its usually russians

[ocean briar]

.

[eager trench]

its whatever you want it to be tbh... its the internet its not like steam forcefully wont allow you to change your profile however you feel like it. even if hunt forced everyone to be nameless/regionless people would just instead just say every person to kill them is an unknown hacker kek

[ocean briar]

Excellent I have the unquiet dead tag now

[dense girder]

not based

[ocean briar]

Just joining the winning side

[dense girder]

For another Mosin skin

[ocean briar]

I only have the spider event skins so I’m happy with a new Mosin skin tbh

[remote moss]

i had the most fun talking shit with my fellow russians than anyone else

well, numbers-wise. americans can be fun too but most people dont even voip in na

while the avg russian i got was chilling

[eager trench]

i swear that has to do with comms being broken or something, some games i cant even hear my own teammates voip even though all the settings are on the correct spot, meanwhile the very next game i can hear it idk

[sick temple]

My avr rus doesnt speak english

[eager trench]

games where people do got comms though is definitely the most fun

[remote moss]

yeah

[sick temple]

At least in NA anyone talks

[remote moss]

people are too stressed, gotta work overtime in helping talk shit

[remote moss]

i would laugh at you but thatd be rude

but its very unfortunate for you eu players

[sick temple]

Its my experience

xd

Trust me, I wish they spoke

[remote moss]

throw some random russian insults

[sick temple]

I even have a full game recorded when I was playing randoms and 2 of them got mad at each other

and started screaming

and I was like straight face

:I

eu experience

[remote moss]

sounds fun

[remote moss]

be funny if turns out there was a hidden voip bug this whole time and everyone had voip off on accident

then it turns out we're not just sweating but just cant physically communicate

[dense sleet]

this is absolutely not my experience

obviously i run into toxic players, but saying its one of the worst is mental to me

most of my fights that i decide to voip in, lfg in, or just in general faff around on forums and such

tend to be super chill

[remote moss]

hunt has a lot of snitches, better pray you didnt accidentally get recorded by a random streamer

so its less toxic

[sick temple]

Been there already

🗣️

[remote moss]

yeah when it comes to streamers, just be the most polite version of toxic you can be

gg, gg, gg, gg

and all that

[sick temple]

Yeah i have no issues im not that kind of guy

i couldnt care less tbh

[dense sleet]

if that is your experience then i feel so sorry for you, because while this isnt one of the best communities by any means, i def will defend it a bit and say its not a inhereintly toxic like many other of the communities ive been a part of

[sick temple]

but no reason

[dense sleet]

hell i have near 10k hours in r6 and 1.3k in rust

[sick temple]

unless you are tking, blatantly cheating to the point i notice or something else its fine

[dense sleet]

let me tell you about toxic communities

[remote moss]

rust is worse

and siege is already pretty bad

[sick temple]

Rust is worst, ofc

Xd

[dense sleet]

Destiny i was nearing 6k between the 2

[eager trench]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-10358303

It aint rust without the racism

[sick temple]

Siege is more comfy "now" (since long ago) because it has some anti toxicity filters

But wasnt like that always

[remote moss]

siege kinda pisses me off since they can fuck up your rep just by mass reporting, got entire squads spam reporting while still being toxic as shit in vc where its not recorded

i wonder if their vc recording thing went anywhere, id be ok with that kind of privacy violation if it means it catches the rat squads

[dense sleet]

they record VC now, and you can send in eveidence if you really care about that kinda s tuff

[remote moss]

aw hell yeah

[sick temple]

Yes, and the support will ban them if you record them and submit it on the page

[dense sleet]

although they have to have enough reports to warrant an investigation

[sick temple]

Something that ubi at least does right

[dense sleet]

too bad Ubi is most likely gonna go bankrupt in the next couple years

[remote moss]

hardstuck diamonds are the most toxic players in siege too, not even the throwaway accounts

[dense sleet]

cough cough too bad

[sick temple]

"Too bad" huh

XDDDD

You beat me to it

[lofty parrot]

The same way problem players from those countries are trying to hide where they come from of their profile

[remote moss]

they deserve it

[sick temple]

Sad to see all of their good IPs die

[remote moss]

mfs really be adding more obnoxious operators cause they dont like solo carries with good game sense and aim in siege

[dense sleet]

we out here trusting what people have on their profile that has zero bearing or truth requirement?

[remote moss]

always adding new trash ops that exist solely to waste more of your time

[dense sleet]

thats insane

[sick temple]

Tom Clancy is twisting on his grave tbh

rightfully so id be too

[dense sleet]

sooo we out here trusting this?

thats crazy

i dont even read profiles except my own to see comments lmao

[remote moss]

sounds russian to me

[eager trench]

same, i just rage bait mine

[sick temple]

Coin flip, sometimes it is true, sometimes it is not

[dense sleet]

people see "Russian Federation" and i get so many fucking comments about it

[sick temple]

Pretty easy to deduce who is ragebaiting and whos telling the truth

[dense sleet]

loe and behold, i have Russian and Native American lineage

[sick temple]

Yeah, and then you talk like US guy ingame, your reviews and groups on perfect english etc

[dense sleet]

im 60% 35% russian and like 5ish % hodgepodge other stuff

[sick temple]

Its not as hard to see

[dense sleet]

i had it all translated in russian but it was ChatGPT russian so

decided to do that instead of making it ACTUALLY translating it to russian xD

[remote moss]

youre a native? sorry for disrespecting you, chief. you aint one of those red bloods

[lofty parrot]

Maybe I am a bit pre damaged from my old CSS and CSGO days
There have been reasons why we configured the console outside of matchmaking to not connect with russian IP´s

Rly... 9 out of 10 were drunk, kids, drunken kids, trolls/cheaters or just constantly yerlling or playing russians music via voice

Finding a legit chill russian dude was veeeeeery rare
And tbh in other games my experience was not very different

[dense sleet]

i am a red blood lmao

[sick temple]

dust2 with r..................

never would go back there

[dense sleet]

but im one of the poorest tribes so i dont get money even tho im more than enough %

[remote moss]

damn

[sick temple]

literal hell

me watching how the 4-13 teammate gets blown with AWP for the 6th time

and destroys the whole economy

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[remote moss]

just scout them, ez

[dense sleet]

i loved the scout

i was nasty with it

[remote moss]

cant even bodyshot spam with scout without getting instakicked in every cs match, lol

[dense sleet]

when i played the game

[sick temple]

scout and tec9 the way to go

[remote moss]

yeah i loved it too but i always got kicked

[dense sleet]

Scout and R8 was my go to

[remote moss]

just couldnt fucking play it, its easy to use and wins so many games with long range low hp shit

[dense sleet]

such troll

[sick temple]

when R8 had accuracy in csgo (xd)

[dense sleet]

yea now its abysmal

[sick temple]

now the innacuracy is so bad in CS2 it is literally useless fr

[remote moss]

r8s my kinda shit too, just outclassed by deagle that has way too much accuracy when you click fast with it

[dense sleet]

i used it over the deag bc i had a nice skin for it

[remote moss]

dumb ass backup weapon that no one complains about

[sick temple]

Weapon weel was a mistake, volvo

[dense sleet]

deag is the king of Eco rounds

always has been

[remote moss]

they just need to make deagle not spammable and its fair

[sick temple]

Shotguns and smg were, in reality, because of the bonus money

[dense sleet]

you can counterstrafe and ignore the accuracy negatives

[sick temple]

Reason my beloved UMP45 got nerfed to the ground

where it remains still

[lofty parrot]

Never with them and never dust2
dust 1 and 2 have been my most hated maps

[dense sleet]

true, but when you were fighting rifles the ohk really helped

helmet who?

[sick temple]

dust1

no wrong gif

he aint smiling

[remote moss]

love dust2, you can psyche out an enemy team by reading their movement at mid and scouting the doors of ct

[eager trench]

thanks for the tips, just deleted all my reviews, going to join a ton of random russian groups now to make it more believeable

[remote moss]

its toxic and they call cheats and start playing like shit, funny as hell

[sick temple]

Its basic stuff you will be fooling fools, pretty much

if that makes you happy, you do you

i rather just play the game tbh

as casual as possible

[dense sleet]

hunt is a casual game

[sick temple]

It is

[dense sleet]

i refuse to believe otherwise tbh

[sick temple]

People dont see it that way

[lofty parrot]

worst balanced map of all time...
its just designed for awp´s and ak´s

there have been sooooo many better maps

[sick temple]

because they equated already that having an steep learning curve equals being competitive

[dense sleet]

thats because no matter the game, people will find a way to make it their life

but thats not the games fault

[remote moss]

fan favorite moment

then theres mirage which amounts to "hahaha i learnt these nades, loser"

[eager trench]

i play as casual and meme as possible, i just happen to also enjoy the idiotic situations where someone legit calls the guy using a throwing knife a hacker... to me its just goofy

[dense sleet]

i play a lot of long ammo but i dont mega sweat

[sick temple]

Never seen that

[dense sleet]

people dont agree with me in that sentiment i say that

[sick temple]

(myself)

[dense sleet]

thats fine

i dont play w/you so i dont really care lmao

[lofty parrot]

Not rly
But it feels like they try to make it casual
And dats what many players hate for over a year now

My old Community just vanished when the circus event was on

[dense sleet]

no disrespect ofc

[eager trench]

when this guy commented it, it didnt even make sense i literally meleed the guy

[sick temple]

The point above

fooling fools

Xd

[dense sleet]

ive played since Beta

its always been casual

[eager trench]

i think the only thing that changed is people dont crouch walk as much anymore because used too people was scared of making noise? feels like pretty much the exact same game as it used to be tbh

[lofty parrot]

yeah cuz awp and ak are van favo weapons... no balancing and just get buffed while everyhting else got nerfed
Most ppl which loves dust2 and mirage hate maps like office or the old aussault

[eager trench]

just realized yall aint even talking about hunt my b

[lofty parrot]

Not at all
Most things since CEO change and the post malone events are bad decisions for many old players
Me 2 would prefer playing 2023 hunt instead of now

[eager trench]

for me exact opposite, all the QOL to me outways the stuff. like picking up traps, not desyncing off of roofs and shit like way back i actually enjoy bullet drop even though its virtually none existant, guns being auto cleaned blah blah... i do miss og poison stuff though because it made for funny moments but for the most part i enjoy it still to an extent that going back isnt a thing in my eyes

[lofty parrot]

Neither me or anyone I know from my community had ever problems with desync or crashes (funny I had 3 crashes in the last 2 weeks :D)
Bullet drop worked fine back then
Even the very first 1896 patch made several guys instantly uninstall the game
And I hate this patch till this day

[eager trench]

the desync im talking about is like way 1.0 i guess if we talking like 2023 and up ya i almost never.... either way, theres always changes that people are going to love/hate to each their own. to me as long as each update holds a few changes i like i usually can look past the ones i dont. Except immo rework, ill die on that fucking hill i 100% believe they did it because they couldnt figure out how to make poison not oneshot hellborn lol

[lofty parrot]

Tbh I dunno when the last patch came where I was like "well at least this is something"...
Outside of the events I cant recall a single change I "like" since the circus event

[eager trench]

For me I liked the melee rework, traps, bullet drop, scarce is cool but I wish it was done differently. I like that events are more themed in cosmetics matching too so that's nice.

oh and headshots being ohk any distance... always hated that about old hunt having an "effective" range on headshots was soul crushing

[lofty parrot]

What exactly on scarce is cool? 😄

[open trail]

Are you running faster with a sword or kartana than with a rifle?

[lofty parrot]

Nope

[dense sleet]

one base speed

[eager trench]

helps curve annoying stuff, i wish they'd just roll out straight up entire guns as scarce and actually cycle them instead of scarce just being a permenant thing

[dense sleet]

scarce is a neat system in concept, instead of completely flashbomb-ing an item that is a little strong it can still remain strong BUT with way less frequent use. i like it honestly. but its become a copout for crytek as of late

which, i get

i dont wanna see anything recieve the flashbomb treatment, it didnt quite deserve that

[eager trench]

we got nerfed dumdum on guns before a single actual mosin nerf kek

[dense sleet]

mosin is the standard all guns are compared too

thats why

its the STANDARD for rifles since it has above average in all stats, a true jack of all trades

like you can find arguements for weaons to be better, Berthier and Krag instantly come ot mind, but those have drawbacks of their own with a certain stat being a focul point of their niche

[lofty parrot]

A weekly cycxle would be ok
But scarce overall is just terrible
It just made some playoptions nearly unplayable

[dense sleet]

i think Berthier is better than the mosin, faster rof/more ammo/ and the whole 3 bullet magazine onlym atters if you dont count your bullets and dont use the stripper clip, which is still the same speed of an iron eye rechamber for the mosin btw

you just cant top off with the berthier and it suffers from not 600 base mv

krag comes with the highest long rechamber speed, but a lower damage curve since it has only exactly 125, its hte cqc weapon for long

[dense sleet]

590 mv btw

[eager trench]

even then, there are still some nerfs they could give it that wouldnt entirely ruin it

[dense sleet]

i think its more of a caliber balance than specific weapons entirely

long just does everything

spam? ok sure

QM loadouts exist and goodbye to your cqc advantage and htey own the other 20-120m fights you take

[eager trench]

i do wish they wouldnt of cucked the obrez match it being a 3 slot with all worse stats is just odd

[dense sleet]

it being a 2 slot wouldnt matter either tho

[lofty parrot]

Uhm... what is UR typical loadout? What weapons are u running and what is ur favo fighting distance?

[dense sleet]

its literally a worse berthier, and it doesnt do anything different besides slightly better sway and like +1 damage over the base obrez

[eager trench]

it wouldnt "matter" but it would at least make it something id pick more on a QM loadout

[dense sleet]

there isnt a reason to pick it at all

actually none

its not even cost effective

Berthier and Mako are cheaper and much better

[eager trench]

agreed, but i am i guess one of the few people that dont play hyper focused on that kinda shit? i just run everything tbh ._.

[eager trench]

1865 carbine with fmj, railhammer, full shots

[dense sleet]

i am a stat ho, hence why i play a lot of long ammo

why should i negate myself because of a massive stat difference, especially agaisnt the 3kd clanners i fight basically every game since my MMR is so high

i instantly notice a difference when i try to run something not long, and thats just fucked

[lofty parrot]

Well at least
After the mosin nerf comments I was sure u r only playing small ammo for spam and shotty 😄

[dense sleet]

small ammo is all about spam

thats the only thing its good at

literally only thing

spam around the head and all you need is one

[eager trench]

nah, dont get me wrong i run a lot of long ammo and dont actually run spam that much. But my main real jack of all trade loadout is 1865 fmj and a hammer

huge damage, good sights plus im very good with slow bullets

[dense sleet]

i hate hte 1865, not because its bad but i just would rather use a vetterli if i want a slow(er) bullet and i get the fastest bolt action in the game

[eager trench]

i fucking love vetterli, i just really enjoy compound wallbangs with the 1865

[dense sleet]

MV is just a win stat, its just how it is

[lofty parrot]

Yep
And sadly for many people they make up "ranges" cuz of the dmg the small ammo guns do
When I again see someone saying ovver45m is longrange... Holy Lord I will tribute a soul and curse them

[dense sleet]

45 is pistol difference to me lol

distance*

[lofty parrot]

I am a bit more snipy with my most playes fresh loadout
I go sniper Springfield with blood ammo and a baseball bat 😄

[lofty parrot]

Yep
For some Pistols u can even trade good up to 65m

[hasty wharf]

long enough to make the winnie a 3 tap to body 🥀

[eager trench]

i do enjoy a nice maynard sniper combo coupled with a saber haha

[lofty parrot]

For me long rang "begins" at 88/90m at least
Personally I would say it starts at 100m

[lofty parrot]

I am not campy enough for maynard 😄
I mean I even push teams with a springfield xD

[crisp nexus]

Servers just go down for anyone else for like 5 minutes?

[lofty parrot]

I am still in

[crisp nexus]

Weird

[eager trench]

campy with a maynard? sheeeesshh you using it wrong bud, dumdum under 40m is practically an instakill to the body 😛

i dont care about kd enough to not push regardless of loadout lol

when in doubt, chad hammer got my back

[crisp nexus]

If you get rushed by a double obrez nerd today, sorry. I want to unlock the match and see how bad it is.

[lofty parrot]

Yeah not rly my style ^^
dumdum is silencer ammo right?
Dont play in english

[crisp nexus]

dumdum = bleed ammo

[eager trench]

bleed ammo

[lofty parrot]

Ahhh I see

[eager trench]

maynard sniper silence dumdum is AWFUL

[lofty parrot]

Another question
What are u guys doing with ur lv 50 hunters? 😅
I dont have more space xD

[eager trench]

im weird when i do anything silenced i always take the subsonic :/

[lofty parrot]

Ohhh I see one 27
Yay i can keep playing 😄

And i know why he is lv 27 xD
This was the one I was building my "iron fortress" with 😄

[dreamy cave]

Someone used a flashbang on me last night lmao it was surprising but it didn't last long so I could see him running at me

What a shame

[tawny frost]

oh its gonna be a showdown alright...

[tawny frost]

instant retire unless they have deathcheat left - then prestige immediately when available

[hollow zealot]

You killed my hellhound....

[odd carbon]

Stealing a trio's bounty with serpent is such a wonderful feeling.

[lofty parrot]

I thought only the free hunters can prestige

[fading burrow]

Prestige is for your entire Bloodline
Hunters can be retired for Bloodline XP if they are level 50

[hollow zealot]

Any hunter can be retired once they reach level 50

[dreamy cave]

There are hunters amongst the paid hunters that "prestige" they start as rookies

[dense sleet]

i just got face-checked by a conversion while i was using DolchP DD and Mosin Spitzer

well played sir lmao

gave him a GG on his profile, couldnt even be mad it was such a good shot bro

[lofty parrot]

Sure retired but i didnt know paid hunters can prestige
So I wondered why would I ever retire a paid hunter

[hollow zealot]

What do you mean by prestige? You mean unlock the next level of skin?

[mild flower]

What's dolchp dd

[fleet adder]

Bloodline xp and money

Without risking losing it

If you're confident you can just keep running the lvl 50

[hollow zealot]

You get 10k XP from retiring a hunter

If you like levelling up then that 10k XP is worth it

[lofty parrot]

yeah kinda like @dreamy cave said

[fading burrow]

Dolch Precision with Dumdum ammo

[mild flower]

It doesn't have that though doesn't it

Did they give the dolch dumdum

[fading burrow]

Dolch can have Dumdum and FMJ, but with it being Scarce, you need to find it in a match first

Unless you had a massive stockpile beforehand

[lofty parrot]

fast shooting bleed pistol without needing fenning? no ty ^^

[mild flower]

Huh I don't think it used to have that?

[lofty parrot]

So what he wrote was wrong?

[mild flower]

Because no one ever ran it before scarce ammo?

It was always dolch fmj

[hollow zealot]

What he means by paid hunters is that you pay 100 hunt dollars to use them

[crystal bay]

Dolch P got Dum dum + FMJ at same time

[fading burrow]

Well, it was added 'recently' aka either with 1896 launch, or a little after, idr exactly.

[crystal bay]

it's just FMJ was better

[hollow zealot]

There are skins that say "Rookie" that can level up over once they reach level 50

[crystal bay]

Was in the game beforehand

[hollow zealot]

If they do not say "Rookie" or have any of the other 2 words following their name then they are not able to level up as a skin

[fading burrow]

Ah, right, I don't keep good track of info regarding the Dolch's special ammo, seeing as I rarely play it at all

[lofty parrot]

ahh dat ones which use to be free hunters
Ah yeah - like U see in the screenshot before they are not among them cuz I dont play them
dats why I asked in the first place ^^

[crystal bay]

I'm trying to remember when it became scarce, that may have been the 1896 update so could be what you were thinking of. And no worries haha, I think FMJ became less used with Dolch because it was scarce + bullet drop was now a thing

and infinite range headshots

[fading burrow]

yeah that's what I'm thinking too now so I'll dig and check

[lofty parrot]

another "dumb" question what do the orange arrows mean there? ^^

[unreal zinc]

+10% more event points

[lofty parrot]

Ah ok
Too late 😄

[hollow zealot]

for what? If you use them you will get a 10% bonus on the event points you collect at the end of the game

Event points go towards unlocking the battlepass

these

[real stream]

i like the thrill of fighting 3 people as a solo, too bad whenever i play solo against trios i'm put in a lobby full of other solos and absolutely no one ever moves

wish i could somehow force the game to matchmake me against teams

[dense sleet]

dolch Precision dumdum

[chrome lintel]

Probably done with all the BP levels

[hollow zealot]

Weird, I rarely get a game with more than 1 other solo if I'm in trios

[real stream]

that's what seems weird to me, why do those guys get to see teams and i dont xd

[hollow zealot]

ah probably, also he has an event skin from like 3 years ago, baller

[hollow zealot]

region?

[real stream]

europe

[hollow zealot]

hm, no clue

[real stream]

i guess it's pretty late as well so there probably arent as many people playing in teams, but even when it's daytime there are still a lot of solos

[chrome lintel]

Yeah pig one is cool I use the fire suit guy from that event a good bit. Didn't buy the battle pass so I don't have pig boy

[fading burrow]

Aight, found it for 2.2/Post Malone's Murder Circus:

[hollow zealot]

Same situation, I played during some really cool events but never bought the BP or got very far in them

had this game since 2019 and only really did my first BP with Scorched Earth

[chrome lintel]

I don't buy it if there's only 1 or 2 things I want

[hollow zealot]

I buy them because after all the challenges I do I will recoop the cost

plus it gives 600 BB in the pass itself usually

so far I haven't had to spend money

[chrome lintel]

Glad they are bringing back around some of the recent ones like the shogun's roar set

[dense sleet]

you mean the one from what, 2 battlepasses or so ago?

[eager trench]

Once you buy one battle pass they're all free. The 600 plus weeklies always cover it so I just snag them

[dense sleet]

im more interested in OLD skins, like Serpent Moon, Traitors Moon, Inferno

[chrome lintel]

Iirc it was last year

[dense sleet]

the shogun ones?

those were from the BP just somewhat recently

[chrome lintel]

Yeah it was last year Halloween

[dense sleet]

i know because i took a break and decided to miss that one, just for me to miss hte ONE skin i wanted and they brought it back anyways, the slate one

[hollow zealot]

same

[dense sleet]

wait

its already been a year

omg

[hollow zealot]

most BP skins since scorched earth have been mediocre

[dense sleet]

holy fuck

[chrome lintel]

But got readded for limited

[dense sleet]

ive played this shit for too long.... 2017 was almost a decade ago now thati think about it

[chrome lintel]

Yuuup

[dense sleet]

i wouldnt go that far, some of them have been quite solid

[chrome lintel]

That slate skin is too pretty I agree

[hollow zealot]

what's your favourite of the recent ones

[dense sleet]

ive played this for 8 years, almost 9...

[chrome lintel]

Would love to see more in that style

[dense sleet]

this entire BP is fire minus hte boney ones

[chrome lintel]

The hanged man ones are really nice yeah

[hollow zealot]

The boney ones and the spider skins I don't really like

Hanged man is a really cool hunter

[dense sleet]

i love the spider ones

[hollow zealot]

first regular cowpoke lady is a nice one

[chrome lintel]

The money marathon is actually pretty nice

[hollow zealot]

Spider lady looks goofy

[dense sleet]

im a bit edgy and i love htat they are for guns i use a LOT

[chrome lintel]

Got some good inlay

[hollow zealot]

Centennial shorty skin is cool

[fading burrow]

I wasn't overly active with Hunt back in the days, but I did play back when the game servers could basically go down at any point, and it'd take (what at the very least felt like) hours for them to come back up

[hollow zealot]

I played in 2019 where it felt like the game might die before it even took off fully

[dense sleet]

how about 2017 xD

[hollow zealot]

wait sorry 2018

[dense sleet]

thats when i played

[hollow zealot]

2019 was when it was alive

2017 would've been beta

you sure?

actually I think it was up in like october nvm

[dense sleet]

i played hte beta

[hollow zealot]

I started playing after the first free weekend, they don't really do those anymore

[dense sleet]

and hten early access

i remember the old

[lofty parrot]

I am done with the pass

[dense sleet]

OLD

OLD UI

the all white one, "drawn-esque" one

[fading burrow]

you mean this one?

[dense sleet]

yee

oh shit was that late alpha instead?

i cant remember at this point

[crystal bay]

2 3 slot quartermaster

[dense sleet]

OMG ITS GUNRUNNER

ERMAGERD

[thin patrol]

poison should disable sprint. hot take. make poison scary again.

[dense sleet]

id be chill with that

poison is pretty shit if its not long ammo

[fading burrow]

I'd prolly say it's fair for the Poison debuff to force the exhausted sprint speed

[hollow zealot]

this is my oldest screenshot

the old hunter names were golden

[whole furnace]

Ah yes, cannot wait to be farmed by sparks poison

[granite blade]

unironically my oldest hunt screenshot lol

[dense sleet]

least of my worries

poison is so unscary its not even funny

[whole furnace]

149 damage, no heal, no sprint for 10 seconds?

Yeah no thanks

[dense sleet]

the oftenness of that isnt much

[whole furnace]

If you cannot sprint it sure fucking will be lol

[dense sleet]

oh well

might finally be terrifying

[granite blade]

imagine officer carbine poison

[dense sleet]

run antidote then

idk, i dpoison is just doomed to be somewhat shit in its nature

[granite blade]

imo all custom ammo should be somewhat shit in pvp

[main flax]

I mean, most custom ammo is bad just bc it can't pen anything, that's it's big downside (FMJ obviously excluded)

[dense sleet]

pen getting nerfed made that less of a big deal

[sage lotus]

IM SO GLAD THIS GAME CRASHES SO MUCH

didnt mean caps lol

[dense sleet]

DumDum is still strong, HV is still mental strong, FMJ is strong, Spitzer is cheat code

[main flax]

Poison is fine, until everyone is running antidote and the trait that makes poison wear off sooner

[dense sleet]

poison is literally worthless

[main flax]

Poison is good against bosses though, minus spooder, isn't it?

[dense sleet]

its effect is fine, but a single shot counters it entirely, at least DumDum still has audio cues and still allows some weapons to ohk on 125

[dense sleet]

pennyshot derrigner

and who tf cares about ai

im not bringing a gun to kill ai

tbh

[main flax]

True, I'm just saying it exists

[sage lotus]

poison nagant is fire tho

[main flax]

Gotta think everything has to be balanced from 1 star up to 6 star

Which is a pain in the ass

From a dev standpoint

[lofty parrot]

Uprank

1. Match: 3x Kill on same MMR players 1x Higher MMR and 1x lower MMR - got downed once by higher MMR got out with double bounty

2. Match: 2x kills each on lower same and higher MMR player - got killed by same MMR and didnt necro cuz trio camped my burning body with 2 shottys

3. Match: 4x Kills on same MMR and 1x on lower MMR - got downed once by lower MMR and finished after necro from higher MMR

Overall KD = 16/4

... derank ...

XDDDDD

This shitshow 🤣

[fading burrow]

god this took forever to find.

[full raven]

I like bornheim silence fire, covers AI silent kills and its decent close range spam

[dense sleet]

silent until they scream and they make more noise if you just melee'd them

[full raven]

Thats part of the joy

[dense sleet]

i just dont see the reason to bring an entire weapon slot for ai, even melee im thinking with pvp rushes in mind

[granite blade]

lul

almost 2 years :v

[eager trench]

Chad hammer for AI and pvp

[weak cosmos]

Hey guys I'm newgen and i wanna ask what tier hunters are

Like

If you won a game or something would your hunter level up a tier or something??

[bitter wyvern]

Dunno why I'm doing so poorly in gunfights nowadays. My aim is better, but I die so much. And my most successful rounds I never get a kill. And if I kill a lot, my rounds are harder somehow.

[opal dawn]

People might be getting better as well

[weak cosmos]

Pretty sure that guy is console

Console players are so bad lol

Pretty much all of us have random potato aim

[opal dawn]

Says PC in the tag at least

[fading burrow]

Currently we have a very limited amount of actual 'tier' hunters, being the ones with a specific name followed by "Rookie"
Those hunters, once they reach level 50, unlock the next stage in their progression, up to two times, as "Survivor" and "Veteran"

[weak cosmos]

Just watched my teammate have a stand off with a guy missing every shot and the guy did the same thing (he still somehow won)

[opal dawn]

Still, people's skills go up. Might even be more forced since the scarce system for Explo xbow and frag arrows

[weak cosmos]

I meant the supposedly removed ones I see the current ones as just skins

[hollow zealot]

Your hunter has 50 levels it can get, at the start it will say 1/50

By using that hunter you will level it up by killing monsters, players, bosses and extracting.

Once that hunter reaches 50/50 you can retire it to gain 10k XP to your general level.

Skins with : Rookie at the end of them level up when you retire them and you unlock a more drippy version of them.

[weak cosmos]

Hmmm

Meh

[fading burrow]

Well, these current Rookie (etc) hunters are technically the old 'Tier' style hunters, just in very limited numbers

[weak cosmos]

I looked it up I thought the current ones were just mixed with the old ones

I thought the tier hunters were random

But I heard a bunch of the tier hunters got put in the bloodline hunters

Like their clothes hats etc

[hollow zealot]

yes

tier 1, 2 and 3 got reworked to be legendary hunters

[weak cosmos]

Ahhh

[hollow zealot]

the only thing like the old system is free hunters

but there's only 4 of those skins total

[dense sleet]

god

[hollow zealot]

so overall a downgrade and I don't think anyone disagrees

[dense sleet]

good*

[hollow zealot]

it was just to get rid of that tier 1/2/3 system which there were other ways

[dense sleet]

im not too fussed aboutonly having 4 white shirts lol

[hollow zealot]

I am

[opal dawn]

Nah I like some of the tier 3's

[hollow zealot]

Just kinda boring to see the same 4 skins

[dense sleet]

the tier system got replaced with hunters outright just being more flexible now

[hollow zealot]

especially when in bounty clash

[hollow zealot]

I like that change but not the consequences of it

for skins

[dense sleet]

we traded variety for streamline, and id rather it

[weak cosmos]

I'm just wondering if there was a gameplay reason for having 3 tiers

I know obviously visually tier 3s looked more geared out

[dense sleet]

it was when tiered hunters has loadouts/traits that MATCHED that tier

[weak cosmos]

Did you have to level a tier 1 into a 3 or am I missing something??

[dense sleet]

basically, back when guns were tier'd as well

[dense sleet]

nope

[weak cosmos]

Ohhhhh

[dense sleet]

it was look, purchase price, and trait/weapon selection

[fading burrow]

Oh right yeah, old Tiered hunters had generally better equipment when hiring them

[dense sleet]

it got so insane that T3s used to have 4 traits and legendary hunters only had 3 xD

[weak cosmos]

So basically y'all had free random hunters?? (But they weren't free)

[opal dawn]

Back in the days you could hire legendaries like now. Then you could hire pre-kitted hunters with gear and traits

[fading burrow]

On top of being dressed more appropriately to blend in a little better with the environment

[dense sleet]

it was random gear, traits, names, and bar selection

[weak cosmos]

I see now

[opal dawn]

Like this T3 comes with a Berthier and uppercut

[hollow zealot]

porque no los dos

[dense sleet]

back in Early access and Beta, tiers had higher starting health xD
Tier 1 had 75, Tier 2 had 125, Tier 3 had 150

it was nuts to be like that

[weak cosmos]

God

[dense sleet]

and the game was so different

[weak cosmos]

That mustve sucked

[hollow zealot]

Would be cool if there were a "random hunter" button that was tier 1/2/3 and it spawned the old hunters

[weak cosmos]

😭

[hollow zealot]

I remember

[dense sleet]

mosin was 100 bucks, the winfield was 11 bucks, the romero was 7 bucks

and winfield fired FASTER than current Iron Eye speed W/O THE TRAIT

[hollow zealot]

rifle swap to pistol meta was strong

[weak cosmos]

7???

[dense sleet]

bc that triat didnt exist

[dense sleet]

money was skewed differently

you only earned like 300 a match

[opal dawn]

And no warning around boss lairs or other clues. So you could be camping inside a lair or just outside and be none the wiser

[weak cosmos]

Oh

I hadn't played hunt at that time yet

[dense sleet]

adn mind you as well

[weak cosmos]

But some of this stuff sounds better than current hunt

[dense sleet]

the game had maybe 100 players between all servers when i started playign a lot

[dense sleet]

i disagree hard, people glaze it bc of nostalgia

[fading burrow]

I miss how dark lighting-wise Hunt was back then :v

[dense sleet]

hunt imo is about 95% better than pre 1896, EA, Beta, Alpha, Release, etc. hunt is a better game

[mild flower]

Old hunter recruitment after the health changes was good tho

[hollow zealot]

yeah I was very worried it would die, was relieved when general sam made videos about it and it seemed to take off

[weak cosmos]

Meh only thing I found really interesting where tier hunters. I like being a average Joe makes me feel cool

I don't know about the other stuff tho

I don't dislike having legendary hunters

[dense sleet]

he wasnt even a big yter at that point so im sure he didnt reeally do much

[weak cosmos]

They just feel like y'know

Heros to me or something

[opal dawn]

Old clues also let you see through the eyes of the boss, but that was scrapped cuz people instantly knew where they were

[hollow zealot]

yeah but around the time he was making them the game took off

which means went from 2k to 10k players

now people complained when there was like 20k people avg and called the game dead lol

Seems to be doing really well this event though

[weak cosmos]

All my friends hopped on arc raiders😔

[bitter wyvern]

Used to be. Mostly because I didn't have anything good enough for hunt for a good while. I do primarily play FPS on PC though.

[weak cosmos]

I guess your cooked then🥹

Man I would kill for console PC cross play (I NEEDDD KEYBOARD AND MOUSE ON CONSOLE)

[analog jolt]

Yeah tbh, they wouldnt add the support

[opal dawn]

It's possible, it was a bug not long ago

A small chance of console players being throwin into PC lobbies

[analog jolt]

They add Pc crossplay to siege and still dont have kbm

[weak cosmos]

That's jus stupid

[pale nymph]

Yuo guys got a patch?

[weak cosmos]

I mean I only see adding PC console if console also gets keyboard and mouse

[analog jolt]

“console players have aim assist” sumthin dum like that

[weak cosmos]

If not

There's no point..

[opal dawn]

Steam? Sometimes Hunt just decides to validate some files

[bitter wyvern]

I mean. Not totally, I can still hit shots.

Though I will be honest, I am eying Arc Raiders.

[analog jolt]

I mean i still shit on pc players on siege but yea

[weak cosmos]

Console players are so bad lol like from far range the aim assist helps but once you get close people start missing shots a lot easier (this is why things like katanas are really good in console lobbies)

I killed a rank 100 P100 after he missed 3 point blank shots on me

Perfect

[analog jolt]

Double katana.

No need to reload when you can swap to backup

[weak cosmos]

I hate being on console😔

I can't aims

[analog jolt]

I just adjust my sens till i spin fast then pc players

[weak cosmos]

Would be good if you could throw regular melee weapons

[analog jolt]

i wanna throw my gun

Im outta ammo

But i aint outta options

[hollow zealot]

people do kb and mouse on console but it's a completely unfair advantage

[analog jolt]

Well duh

[dense sleet]

console into pc even IF they ahd mnk wouldnt work

[weak cosmos]

That's 3rd party devices tho

[dense sleet]

input latency moment

[analog jolt]

You get that sexy mouse aim

[bitter wyvern]

Personally I don't know how you can't aim on console. XD I even played controller on PC for a while, and got more kills that way than M&K. I still wanna practice though, not great to just rely on one thing.

[weak cosmos]

If it was already on people wouldn't need to cheat it in

[analog jolt]

Double haymakers

[dense sleet]

until yo urealise you are stuck at shittier servers, 60fps lock at 1080p upscaled, and way worse input lag

[analog jolt]

Yurt

[weak cosmos]

Ive played a lot of other games with my keyboard and mouse (call of duty mostly and most competitive games)

Id say it works well on console

[dense sleet]

this is not comparable

[weak cosmos]

Oh

[weak cosmos]

Maybe

[dense sleet]

those are entirely different games

[dense sleet]

not maybe

its jsut is

lol

[weak cosmos]

Yeah those take even longer skill

Hunt is point and shoot

[hollow zealot]

Pitting console players against PC would be a blood bath

[weak cosmos]

Very simple

[dense sleet]

quite the opposite

you said COD TAKES SKILL?

thats a mental statement

[dusty gorge]

I am getting T-bagged a lot today, is there some kind of anti solo sentiment in this community you think?

[hollow zealot]

I think console 6* would be fine but anyone below that would be kind of fucked against PC

[weak cosmos]

Slide cancelling like a fool is uh

Well

Simple

Everyone does it

[dense sleet]

Hunt has so much fucking game sense requirement

its unreal

[mild flower]

Solos do have a reputation

[hollow zealot]

this game is 30-50% game sense

[dusty gorge]

what is the reputation?

[hollow zealot]

but game sense can't get you that headshot

[weak cosmos]

Im thinking if you don't have a keyboard and mouse you can just opt out of PC lobbies so things like that wouldn't happen

[mild flower]

Rats

[dense sleet]

this game is more than that lol

[weak cosmos]

I hate solos so damn much

[dusty gorge]

I think solos have a reputation of blowing the ass out of noobs

[weak cosmos]

Every solo I've met has been a bow user at endgame when everyone is dead

[hollow zealot]

but then the playerbase would be slashed in half

[dense sleet]

id wager you often get headshot bc of the decision you made a minute ago and how you deciced to peek an angle

[hollow zealot]

so it would kill the people who opt out's lobbies

[dense sleet]

that is game sense

[weak cosmos]

Fair

[dense sleet]

aim can get you far

[dusty gorge]

do not bunch up BOW users the worst scum on the planet with solo players

[dense sleet]

but it will NOT beat the players that have outright diabolical aim sense and mediocre aim

[weak cosmos]

Solo bow users

[mild flower]

They also have a reputation of having a big ego

[weak cosmos]

They pmo so much

[dusty gorge]

I think your just outing your opinions and saying "its their reputation"

[weak cosmos]

NO

The last solo I went against I used 3 seconds of dark sight and he moved 3 seperate times to avoid me

[mild flower]

Don't ask the questions if you don't want the answers

[dusty gorge]

Bow NEEDS to be large slot

[dusty gorge]

ego much??

[weak cosmos]

While me and my teammate couldn't pinpoint him

[dense sleet]

then it just loses to the crossy lmao

[weak cosmos]

So we just flat out left and he got nothing

Fuck solos

[dense sleet]

hating solos is a skill issue

[dusty gorge]

I am pushing compounds solo and getting t-bagged

[weak cosmos]

I've never lost to one yet

It's just they are like a minor annoyance

[dense sleet]

you have 2 more guns, 2 more health bars, and 2 more rows of consumables

if you lose to a solo its entirely your fault, even more if they stand up and wipe you

and you can team shot them, so they jsut get fucked

[dusty gorge]

nothing would make people hate solos more then just getting fucking cooked by one lone gunman

[dense sleet]

thats just called getting outskilled or the solo played it well

[weak cosmos]

The solo getting up to the 3 alert traps on his body

[dense sleet]

people lose their mind at the sentiment that someone played better than them

[weak cosmos]

Bow solos have been the only thing I genuinely hate with all my heart

[dusty gorge]

YEAHHHH HES SOLO FUCKIN T-BAG HIM YEAH DOG GOT HIM GOT HIS ASS

[weak cosmos]

Every other solo I've found has been cooked

[dense sleet]

if i die to a solo, i know its because i fucked up in some manner

bow solos are easy

[dusty gorge]

he MUST have been fucked on so badly numerous times

[weak cosmos]

How so?

[dense sleet]

never heard of baiting the bow shot

jump strafe around the corner

easy

[weak cosmos]

Nah in my situation I was around the forest by a bileweaver thing

Very open

There is no corner

Bushes were everywhere to

[dense sleet]

here, quick example

[weak cosmos]

So uh

Great

[dense sleet]

that sounds like poor positioning on your part to get caught out

[weak cosmos]

I guess

I didn't die tho so in my defense I basically won

[dense sleet]

im not tryna be a jerk, im jsut being honest lol. most peoples deaths can be traced bac kto the decision they made a minute ago

[weak cosmos]

It just frustrated me I couldn't find him 😭

[dense sleet]

and what angle they decide to peek in the moment

[weak cosmos]

Forced me to leave

[mild flower]

Not exclusive to the bow at all, in fact less effective against bow than other weapons because it has semi auto firerate so a competent bow player will just shoot again by the time you land on the ground and peek them

[dusty gorge]

thats the best way to handle it but the sad part is the bow reloads so quick, if you did that to an xbow user it would completely shut them down but a bow guy with some nerve could deal

good shit tho

but you can't always KNOW its a bow guy to start doing that aswell, your lucky you knew due to comms

Large slot it

[dense sleet]

that was my comms

[weak cosmos]

I also hate subsonic suppressed users

[blissful crater]

Unless they had concertina and weren't aiming for YOU but the corner

[weak cosmos]

It just really fucks with me when I cant find or know the direction of someone

[blissful crater]

If you don't get caught with your pants down if they miss a shot you can see where the bullet hits

[weak cosmos]

🤔

That sounds like..

[blissful crater]

It's its a puff infront of you they're behind you somewhere. To the side of a tree? They're to your right.

[weak cosmos]

A lotta effort

Ah

And if they shoot past me?

Nothing

[blissful crater]

Dayz taught me how to triangulate snipers

[dense sleet]

heres a funnier one

for all you bow haters

[blissful crater]

They missed and you'll live a few seconds longer

[weak cosmos]

What gun is that btw

[blissful crater]

I hate you for using that damn thing

[dense sleet]

mosin nagant avtomat

[blissful crater]

Advomat.

[frigid ibex]

The real way to play xbow is to combine sprinting + reloading which the bow can't do

[weak cosmos]

Ah

[dense sleet]

its literally a worse rifle and a worse shotgun

[blissful crater]

But scary because it's the only full auto gun in the game

[dense sleet]

you lose to the accuracy of rifles, and often trade to the ohks of shotguns

[frigid ibex]

Just get better with the avto

[blissful crater]

But have the HUGE advantage of making everyone deaf and psychological warfare

[dense sleet]

you get deaf before they do, and just know how to fight against it lol

i hear one and i get excited bc its an easy kill if i have a shotgun or a rifle

if i get caught out, its entirely on me

i think the nitro and cnk are entirely better as a tier 3 "power weapon"

now dont get me wrong, its frustrating to die too, but its moreso bc its automatic and the people who run are usually awful

[mortal basin]

Wild

[frigid ibex]

Yeah

I used to run into those people that only plays avto and would consistently kill anyone at 70m

and elegant here saying its mad bad

[mortal basin]

Especially since limb changes and buckshot pen being gutted, saying Avto is a worse shotgun and rifle is absolutely wild to me

[dense sleet]

people do that with winnies

what about itlol

[mortal basin]

When I see it, it's almost exclusively being used by a good player lmao

[frigid ibex]

and they got liek 3k hours on using the avto

[dense sleet]

i never run into that

[blissful crater]

I mean I KNOW how to but that doesnt stop 50 rounds of 7.62x54mmr from scaring me

[frigid ibex]

(they never change loadout)

[dense sleet]

i would just rahter use literally anything other than it tbh

a shotgun nowadays will do better in cqc

and a rifle is always easy

[frigid ibex]

Play cyclone, its much more forgivable and works any range at this point

[dense sleet]

especially if you run spam rifles or the God-Winnies

[blissful crater]

God winnies?

[dense sleet]

ive been running into the same avto duo all morning and killed htem 5 times, and ive been using the ranger w/o ie or levering bc i dont have it unlocked yet

[dense sleet]

the ranger basically

imo the highest skill ceiling weapon in the game after a long ammo rifle

if yo ucan master that gun its just a monster for no price

but my takes are usually disregarded, bc i dont find hte avto op or anything.

i hate the nitro over the avto in Hunt, w/o a fucking doubt

[fleet adder]

It isn't really

[dense sleet]

its not

[fleet adder]

It does one thing kind of good

[dense sleet]

frustrating sure, but that doesnt make it instnatly op

levering ranger? that shit imo is way more frustrating

[lofty parrot]

Same here
Only shottys are worse 😄

[fleet adder]

A good shotgun play will dumpster and avto, and everyone on the map knows there is an avto, just make distance and they aren't doing shit but using their secondary

[dense sleet]

shotguns are creature of range limitations, if you die to a shotgun its your fault so i dont hold them in super high regard honestly

[lofty parrot]

Cuz shottys are just op sadly

[dense sleet]

they are not

lol

they are better at least now

[fleet adder]

Shotguns aren't op, they are just over picked because quartermaster is way too free

[dense sleet]

long ammo used to be just insanely better, now the race is just less

^

[lofty parrot]

Yeah... my fault they hide in random bushes or in 50% of the buildings inside boss compound and just wait to ohko everyone

Yeah..my bad

[dense sleet]

i feel like you ahte the players more than the gun lol

[blissful crater]

I mean any gun is god tier when mastered right

[whole furnace]

Shotguns are not OP, but being able to bring a 2-slot shotgun that is basically the same as a 3-slot shotgun in kill range is.

[dense sleet]

crossy and bow outclass the shotguns nowadays

[weak cosmos]

Having a shotgun and being in the bounty building is a free win

I hate shotguns so damn much

God there so annoying

[dense sleet]

2 slots are just so damn better nowadays

[lofty parrot]

They are to op
Name a single objective where its not cqc
To avoid them u have to stay far back but like dat u wont get any bounties unless they do hard mistakes

[dense sleet]

there was a time they werent using

[dense sleet]

you can always go back for bounty

[fleet adder]

I get annoyed by shotguns too but it's mostly because every single compound engagement you know someone or everyone has one

[granite blade]

people actually go inside your building when you are bounty? lucky

[dense sleet]

you get a 1km x 1km map and 40 minutes

[lofty parrot]

not even close xD
With bot and xbow u need aim
Shottys dont

[dense sleet]

if you rush thats entirely your fault for being unprepared

[fleet adder]

And the fights become a test of reaction time more than anything

[whole furnace]

45min*

[weak cosmos]

Hell yeah I make it my mission to go inside before they get dark sight

[dense sleet]

i ahte this ideal

[lofty parrot]

No need to rush
even if u sneak

[dense sleet]

you do still have to aim with shotguns

you have to put htem in the center of your crosshair

if you hit arms you are fucked

[weak cosmos]

It doesn't matter

Shotguns one shot

[dense sleet]

at least with slugs

[weak cosmos]

Other guns don't

If I miss the headshot

[fleet adder]

Every gun can one shot

[weak cosmos]

Boom it's over

[dense sleet]

i feel like yall have major skill and positioning issues lmao

[granite blade]

any time i have a shotgun and am lucky enough to get to hold down bounty lair, no one ever pushes in

[blissful crater]

Agreed

[weak cosmos]

Yeah really odd

I've never lost with a shotgun

[fleet adder]

Das cap

[weak cosmos]

That's probably because I Romero max tho

[dense sleet]

then you fight 3 st ars xD

[weak cosmos]

I'm console 5 stars

[whole furnace]

(2-slot) Shotguns have enough kill range now that the CQC meta is basically "Oops all Shotguns" which is quite dull after 1.5 years now.

[dense sleet]

that explains a lot

[lofty parrot]

ohko 12m in cqc and many with several shots before reloading
Nahhh dats just stupid balancing

The 1896 patch made them way to strong

[granite blade]

oh yea, console and pc are 2 completely different games

[dense sleet]

as a guy with 1.5k hours on consoel hunt

[weak cosmos]

Yep

[dense sleet]

completely different beasts

[lofty parrot]

Noooooooway near as u have to with everything else 😄

[weak cosmos]

90 percent of the time console players won't headshot

[dense sleet]

hard disagree

[weak cosmos]

So shotguns just like

[dense sleet]

koli^

[weak cosmos]

Win every thing

And you can't say bad positioning either..

[dense sleet]

again, different conversatoins should be happening here then

[ancient cave]

taking the martini for the first time in like a year

[dense sleet]

console and pc are just leagues different

[weak cosmos]

Half the time I've died to a shotgun user is because I didn't know they even had a shotgun

[fleet adder]

Only the shorty shotguns have changed. All 3 slot shotguns besides the spectre buffs have remained the same for pretty much the entirety of the game

[granite blade]

yea i mean shotguns may be op on console like silencers are op in 3* and mosin/dolch are op in 6

[whole furnace]

Time to realize why you haven't touched it in a year lol

[dense sleet]

its really good wdynm

[ancient cave]

I really like the ironside it's never let me down

but I don't want to

[dense sleet]

oh

[ancient cave]

use it that long to lunlock it

[dense sleet]

not that one

[weak cosmos]

And regarding the fact that console players literally combust in close range

[dense sleet]

just use FF on the martini and save yourself the Screen Space lol

[ancient cave]

no

the screen thing has never been an issue for me

[fleet adder]

I will agree that shorty shotguns may have received too much of a buff and could probably use a meter knocked off of their ohk range besides baby lemat and uppermat

[dense sleet]

oh yes

[whole furnace]

FF on the Henry is so whatever.

[fleet adder]

But I think truly the biggest issue is wuartermaatert

[lofty parrot]

Nope... dats been the 1896 patches for shottys
And its get worse from there

BEFORE they were kinda balanced

[dense sleet]

look down to avoid the screen space, and just flick back

my bad

[weak cosmos]

Uppercut shotgun so peak tho

Not when it's used against me tho

[dense sleet]

you lose the entire left of your screen, you cannot change my mind its "not an issue"

this is cope to save yourself for liking a niche but cool weapon

[fleet adder]

I think quartermaster needs to be the first change crytek makes before touching any weapons right now. Start with making quartermaster a scarce trait and monitor the metrics for a season

[dense sleet]

make it take 2 slots and make it 8 pts

solved

[weak cosmos]

YES

[granite blade]

just only right peak so its never an issue

[dense sleet]

scarced will jsut make everyone bring mosin/upper MORE

[whole furnace]

Why not just address the weapons that makes QM problematic?

[weak cosmos]

When people bring shotguns they always bring a shorty weapon

Which removes the points