hunt-general

[fleet adder]

That's bayou crocodile Dundee!

[mortal basin]

I got Red Riding Hood

[rare wyvern]

id say thats a win

[unique trail]

I got Billie last twitch drop

[sick temple]

I got her last drops

I hate her skin fr

[unique trail]

The guy with the furry puffy coat i think

[sick temple]

🗣️

[rare wyvern]

its trash

[unique trail]

Maybe next twitch drop i get lulu

[rare wyvern]

rrh is worse then ghostface imo

[rare wyvern]

I got lulu last time. Dont really like her tbh

[atomic coral]

And the only reason it does that is because of the modifiers they apply. A solo 6 star will get put in a 4.5 star bracket, and a 4 star solo will get put in a 2.5 star bracket. It's a bit heavy handed

[sick temple]

A solo 6 star will be put in 4.5 if he is low

If he plays he can get to 5

KDA farming and such (or very good) 5.5 etc

[atomic coral]

I hardly play solo except when I'm waiting on a spot to open with my friends so I want to be able to extract when I want, so my solo MMR is low.

[sick temple]

Yeah dont get me wrong, I dont think its fair either, but you can stop it at any time you want. Just hop onto something with teammates and kill people etc

With time it will become normal

[trail stream]

Random Legendary Hunter ?

[unique trail]

@urban steppe Who did you get

[urban steppe]

I will check in a bit

can't log on rn

[urban steppe]

yeah

twitch drop

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-im-back-it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-iasip-its-always-sunny-im-back-gif-10514318511300907799

[sick temple]

The second question is for the devs, that I cannot answer because it is surely complex and relies on many factors that we (as players) do not know. I only advocate for the MMR thing to be more visible and known so it creates less confussion or removed altogether (wont happen)

*The way it works now, I've seen plenty of people quit the game over Hunt's match-making, getting demoralized and not having fun because they felt they always had to fight way too strong enemies. *

And yeah, Hunt has an steep learning curve, not as begginer friendly on top of that, which also doesnt help cattering the new influx of players (not many, that being said) that gets thrown into the pot. But you get used to it. We all started somewhere, and when I started I was fighting people that were obviously MUCH better and had the money farmed as I do currently (which is crazy). MMR in this game has always been unbalanced

Even when you reached the point that you could turn it off, it was useless, because you were already high and didnt matter

Lets see what they cook up now

But I generally think that obscuring things is not a good way to go, as it creates confussion that people hold onto and never let go. Again, id affirm that the majority of playerbase is unaware of the "brackets" being a thing (for example), or with the cheater accusations that just go offhand.

[flat nest]

HOLY...

[silk valley]

aint noone reading that

[sick temple]

Yeah, it is the reason why it loses so many players + no content or significant QoL. New players get out of that pool of "begginners" and then suffer, and quit, not even mentioning other problems

[frigid ibex]

You're in a text chat, there's nothing but reading to do here

[sick temple]

He is making a point writing on a discord general channel (a place that is used to write). It would be silly going to a coffee shop and wondering why everyone is drinking something, wouldnt it?

[silk valley]

yeah but if it takes 3 hours to make my coffee im leaving the shop

[sick temple]

You wont scream that you are leaving, right?

[frigid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-hunt-bandai-namco-namco-bandai-gif-1688381113126748567

Cold brew is basically slow motion

[sick temple]

Always, with anything. I think the obscurity that surrounds certain things (like how MMR works, KDA, brackets) along many more things actually hurt the game

[atomic coral]

Becasue it did the same for the 6 star duo as to me, hit the halfway point on the timer (which is a lie to make you think matchmaking is fast since it never goes past that now) and threw them into any open match.

[sick temple]

Why cant I see the ping of my enemies or teammates? Why can I see the lobbies I play with?

This is a general fear in "extraction" shooters

as the communities grew up to be so toxic or cheaty/exploited that many problems arouse

I rather see everything, but devs clearly prefer the other way around

Numeric mmr? Hide it.

Region in lobby? Hide it

MMR in lobby? Hide it

[raven totem]

many because of ass hats

[atomic coral]

I need to chill from Hunt now and make food.

[raven totem]

you'll get over it

[sick temple]

Its not about me at all, im not a new player by a long shot

Its about the changes that obscure and make it difficult to understand players why x y z thing happens

the way it does

[raven totem]

it's not about new players the things you listed

[sick temple]

You are getting in now, above are more things listed

[raven totem]

meanwhile mmr used to be displayed as god damn up or down arrows

[sick temple]

As how brackets works themselves

[sick temple]

modifiers

[raven totem]

give people to much information and people abuse shit

[sick temple]

And yes, it is

[atomic coral]

I've got 1600 hours, but I'll never be a 6 star. I'm content with 4-5 star, but I hate playing against 6 stars becasue they're completely different animals

[sick temple]

When your new friends gets out of the newbie pool and gets put into 3*

[raven totem]

region, asl long as ping is in limit, it's non of your god damn business

[sick temple]

and has to faces premades that are clearly exploiting some stuff

I rather see that

[sick temple]

No, people shot, see their shot invalidated because the other guy had 2 weeks to peek and shoot on their client and they leave the game

[raven totem]

mmr in lobby was hiiden due to people being ass hats about high and low ranges

[sick temple]

You can fool yourself all you want, there are reasons why Hunt isnt having such influx of new players despite its popularity growing

player retention sucks

[sick temple]

(Which now doesnt matter)

(xd)

Great change 👍

[raven totem]

not even how that works, how are you going to say you're not new then call shots invalidated due to the other players ping

[remote moss]

tbh, even if you clearly explained and showed off how ping works, its more likely that the loudmouths are gonna bitch without understanding it anyway

[raven totem]

hunt is favor the shooter

[sick temple]

Bro is gonna make me copypaste it all over again

[remote moss]

for the avg player, not the person whos always complaining, hunts more chill when they see less easily accessible bs like mmr and kd

so in exchange for loud people still being loud no matter what, manages to chill out the experience for basically everyone else

[late swift]

3 fucking games in a row where I get to spawn as a solo near a team of 3. Real fucking cool

[sick temple]

invalidating hits are often caused by ping abusing, the core issue behind many of these things. Many people (somehow, in 2025) think ping abuse is just a myth. Lets debunk that. Hunt works client based. If you have high ping ("HP") and push around a corner, the enemy cant see you in his screen for the duration of your HP, giving the HP player an advantage of 100-200 ms (most normal scenario) to shoot. Hit registration is clientsided, and is highly correlated with how the server validates the winners. The HP player wins before the opponent even had time to react on their screens. On the other screen, as the HP player, you headshoted him as he crossed the corner on an instant. And sometimes, for him, it will look as if you killed him through the corner or a solid object, leading to false flags (cheating allegations, where they are just really ping abusing). Other FPS simply state that packets from better pings came first, so he has the preference, and invalidate the shots from the worse ping player. As stated, Hunt does not do that (even the devs have told us that several times). Anyone that denies high ping advantage has simply no idea how client works on a technical level and calculates the scenarios. *

There is nothing to discuss since
a): ping abusing is considered by any serious game a form of exploiting (and thus, cheating: even more since the high ping player does this knowingly and on multiple ocassions, even on daily basis, and often with the help of 3rd party software)
b): Crytek themselves have videos explaining how (for example trade windows) work. Server history gets re-written even if the winner of a gunfight is already selected, as stated above.
How netcode works: https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-state-of-hit-registration-in-hunt
Crytek adressing ping exploiting in their "fair play taskforce" as a focus (but remember guys, it doesnt exist nor it benefits anything because someone who never experienced it and has no idea how it works said it): https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/developer-insight-fair-play-task-force
Crytek talking about ping based separation: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/594650/view/520833241446351951

[remote moss]

lol

as a degenerate hunt player, i hold angles so the other guy can get peekers advantage on 150ms on high ping and never trade while doing it

behold, defeated

[sick temple]

But that doesnt exist according to this guy

Ping abuse isnt real

cause he says it

Wonder why the devs would lose so many time and invesment in researching those...

Silly devs!!

[remote moss]

the peekers advantage when you have high ping means very little because you have audio cues and the guy holding angles is usually unknown where exactly to aim at

its basically never a problem in hunt, and you still cant see some long ammo fucker in the trees even if you have peekers advantage cause theyre in the goddamn tgrees

[sick temple]

Im not talking about peekers advantage only

Im talking about the many issues that high ping creates

Such as desync, dying while on cover, incorrect killcams and so on

Reasons why NORMAL people leave the game

[remote moss]

oh hell naw, i dont think those guys are normal

[atomic coral]

Example of high ping trade https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401019644938289153/1169812752567636038/Hunt_Showdown_2023.10.21_-_13.27.19.02.DVR.1697912967697.mp4

[remote moss]

in any competitive game, people always cry about ping anyway. no amount of explaining how it works is gonna stop them from leaving

[sick temple]

My 3 star friend with 50h seems pretty normal

[remote moss]

even if you explain, "you were out of cover when he shot but server slow cause ping", theyre still gonna rage about it

[sick temple]

In competitive games, it works server sided. The server choses my packages because they are better than yours, and thus I won

(very dumbed and shortened)

You wont see anyone crying in CS2 about that, because it works totally different that in Hunt

Add the terrible re-reouting and the quality of leaseweb

and you have it

[remote moss]

i dunno about that one

its every competitive game

steam forums is the most easily accessible place to look for salty fuckers that dont acknowledge reality

[sick temple]

Lmao yeah if you take steam threads as a source

[raven totem]

whats the trade window now?

[sick temple]

I can find people on the finals saying that the cl40 (2 worst ttk weapon for the class) is unbalanced

Xd

[raven totem]

ping advantage on swings used to be worse, has gotten alot better

[sick temple]

Yes, we know it was worse before, obviously

[atomic coral]

Especially this event. Full second hit delays. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401019644938289153/1431801877200113875/Hunt_Showdown_replay_2025.10.25-14.01_clip_1.mp4

[sick temple]

Down from 800ms anything you touch will be better

that is saying 2 + 2 = 4

thanks for the input

[raven totem]

still not how that works

[sick temple]

You have the links written by the own devs

I dont care what you say at all

tinfoil moment

[remote moss]

theres a lot of shit i can talk about reaction time when it comes to peekers advantage and shot invalidation, but no one else is talking about that

[raven totem]

sure man, I'm going to play arena and have this not be my problem

[remote moss]

tarkov arena is ass, pick a better game before its too late

oh wait, arena breakout?

[sick temple]

Of course, the sources are there literally written by people who worked onto it

But you somehow think to know you know it better

cause you played thousands of hours like the rest

get on the club mane

[raven totem]

I don't care enough to nit pick and spell it out to you

[sick temple]

I dont care enough for you to not bother opening a link written by the devs themselves

Stated above: nothing to discuss

[atomic coral]

The high ping player's PC tells the server they killed you, even though in real time you shot first, and the server changes it's mind and says the one who had the high ping won because the timestamp the client sent was earlier.

[raven totem]

trade window

[remote moss]

what?

no, the lower ping player usually wins out if they shot first since theres an extra 100ms or so delay from the high ping guy to communicating to servers

[raven totem]

literally what the trade window update was about

[sick temple]

Of course, low ping, rubberbanding, all that stuff

But this guy says its none of my business

Well it is lad, since I want to play a game I bought with people that share similar ping as mine, not people exploiting vpns and other stuff

I dont want to trade 2 seconds into cover

[remote moss]

is it really a whole second of desync? every time ive been shot behind cover or shot someone behind cover, the timeframe is about .45 seconds at worst

shit feels pretty damn good, compared to before

[sick temple]

Yup, and this leads to false flags and cheater accusations

[sick temple]

Honestly when people bring this argument I want to shoot myself. Of course it feels better than before. From 800ms ANYTHING will feel better. This is like going driving to crash a car at 200 kmh and going to 50 and then saying that the crash wasnt as bad

[remote moss]

nasty stuff

[sick temple]

Duh, obviously

[remote moss]

wait, whats your argument in the first place? the results of high ping are the same even if its transparent or not

[sick temple]

You cant do much worse anyhow

[remote moss]

people are gonna cry either way

[atomic coral]

Sorry, I was replying to something further up #hunt-general message and it undid the reply thing and did a normal message.

[remote moss]

right

[sick temple]

So by your own argument, removing MMR, regionlock etc is stupid either way because "people are going to cry" or be toxic either way

So why bother?

No, it has to be something else

[remote moss]

mmr wasnt removed, it was made less easily accessible with two extra buttons which toned down the rage of the avg player, and unfortunately slowed down funny rage reports. regionlock was removed too, so now you can actually play the damn game elsewhere outside being stuck in OCE or something

its harder for people to get to it, but the information is still there? unless you want even more transparency than theyve had before

[sick temple]

I know mmr wasnt removed dude, its a way of saying things. We all know here how it works

[raven totem]

ya ngl I've been having a blast on it

[remote moss]

looks good

[sick temple]

Again, OCE players are a % and there are options that can be done to ease that (like being able to play on 2-3 regions where you have the better ping). Hunt lack many server options, this is nothing new

[atomic coral]

A lot of people didn't even know how to see their KDA after 1896, because they buried the progression at the bottom of the Home screen that no one used. At least now we have a dedicated Career tab.

[sick temple]

No african server, only one one latam, no eu west, no eu north etc

[remote moss]

the clutter in the ui has always been insane since then, yeah

i just ignore half of it so i dont even remember what current hunt ui looks like

[sick temple]

But the UI wasnt done arbitrary, it was an attempt to "modernize it" so it literally looks like cod MW2 Xd

[atomic coral]

Didn't Hunt used to have a Central US?

[sick temple]

To catter new players, to gain them

[sick temple]

Idk, doesnt have it know if it was the case at one point

(which would be dumb indeed now that hunt has "more players than ever")

minus the 1896 release fiasco, of course

[remote moss]

wait till they add fucking ricochets

mathematicians setting up their pefect ricochet to kill people without even properly peeking corners

[sick temple]

And the average player wont ever attempt nor care to comprehend this. They see a desynced af killview (which they doesnt know) and they complain, obviously. "How can this happen" "this is bs"

and leave

xd

Nothing new here, Hunt sucks (literally) at player retention

[remote moss]

feelings are op, yes. hard to think

the horror game mix is really novel early on, its funny that new players exist solely to get farmed when servers dont break 25,000 peak

[sick temple]

Basically

[remote moss]

and you gotta keep solos alive and support the streamers so you give them even easier games by targeting people while on solo

for even more of an mmr advantage

[sick temple]

My friend just exist the pool, put in 3, fighting against people with 3 million farmed that clearly know the game

Quit

[remote moss]

its limited to "good players" which amounts to waiting literally 4 seconds for someone two stars below you to peek cause theyre dumb and havent learnt how hunt works yet. and you just repeat that process as a so called good solo player for easy wins

[sick temple]

Never comes back

[sick temple]

Exactly

Hunt model is based on gathering players via streamers

People see the game and say "oh I want to play it"

and once they get on, XD then the party starts

[remote moss]

yeah its the lifeline of hunt, so you have to give them a consistently enjoyable experience to stream hours on end

[atomic coral]

No kidding. 39-45K player peaks before 1896, 60K players at update launch, 30K players peak at next event. These last 2 events after several fixes (like removing revive bolt, halfway fixing the UI) brought the peak up to 35K

[remote moss]

doesnt matter if it screws with the avg player, just results in more solo hate and funny burn watching their damn corpses

[sick temple]

Some people would deny that even

Ive seen it

as if the solo buffs at the time were something arbitrary

Not even the necro, but the silent bhop, truestealth crouch etc

[remote moss]

ive watched a lot of streamer premades try contesting in hunt during early events. a lot of them get farmed because they cant compete and ragequit

i really wish i could name names, lol

so called good players with their mosins and still losing to some random fucker with scottfield precision

shit cracks me up every time

[sick temple]

Many big names in hunt arent that good

[remote moss]

they only start doing well once early event dies and the good players get sick of hunt

[sick temple]

some of them are beasts, dont get me wrong

but the more populars ones

[remote moss]

then they farm bad players or win by teamplay

[sick temple]

psyc...

mik...

arent really good at all

[remote moss]

dude, why are you dissing the good ones

lol

theyre not about being "good", they dont sweat their asses off with mosin dolch every game

those ones are ok

[sick temple]

I mean, creating content sure

but if your content is farming 3 stars, there comes a point where you get tired

[remote moss]

i was talking about 6 star mosin premades, specifically

[sick temple]

Good streamers play also garbage

[remote moss]

those people that you probably think are good, their playstyle is just waiting

[sick temple]

And its honestly normal the play sweaty

[remote moss]

yeah

[sick temple]

there are situations where you simply cannot compete with garbage

even if you are a demigod

[remote moss]

what?

no, they just dont just play badly on occasion

[granite blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-pee-cat-pee-funny-lmfao-gif-14727908981812019274

[remote moss]

im watching them get farmed most of the time during early event

[sick temple]

Ik im talking about the loadouts

They are mortals like everyone else and die several times

Even streamers who i considered to be great (aiming, game sense etc) like Hornet

[remote moss]

no i get what youre saying, im just saying they consistently lost once they were up against actual competition

[dense girder]

Control yourself, smh

[sick temple]

when he played bad bad weapons he would derank unintentional to 4*

[dusty gorge]

is us east Fing?

[remote moss]

hornet had one of the craziest playstyles because he was willing to play slow with shotgun at a point

[granite blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-angry-cat-mean-mean-cat-gif-8725284189524806022

[remote moss]

always counter rotating and punishing you for trying to push him, then catching the right oportunity to fuck you up

[sick temple]

He goated

[remote moss]

basically supreme rat gameplay thats the "peak" of hunt for effort to value

damn good, better than every other rat cause they just hide until they get a pick

[sick temple]

Counter rotating is all the game has dude

[remote moss]

yeah i know

[sick temple]

Besides a laggy adad

Xd

[remote moss]

also unfun because its hunt designed to be shit as fuck

lol

[sick temple]

If i wanted to adad on a roof I would simply pvp on gta:o

[remote moss]

adad roof guys are chill, bro

[sick temple]

hunt is slow af and punishes movement

[remote moss]

they actually play the fucking game instead of popping heads out like wack a mole in the forest

[sick temple]

anything that rotates gets instnatly punished if not done proper

[remote moss]

yeah, makes it unfun

[sick temple]

I dont know if playing the game is sitting on a roof with long ammo

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-down-sign-flagger-slowing-vehicles-road-construction-gif-25547282

[remote moss]

too many stalemates, you need a team because you dont have the hp to solo rotate a whole team unless theyre bad

[sick temple]

adading and headglitching

[remote moss]

i dont know if adading and headglitching at 100m with mosin is playing the game either

[sick temple]

I play supper aggro (for example)

and that playstyle bores me to death

and its so common in 6

at least on EU

[remote moss]

oh yeah, fuck EU

[sick temple]

xd

[remote moss]

i used to topdog there and then I rq when i was trying to get back in there recently

the actual way to win is easier than say NA because the gameplay is just more stalematey cause theyre too scared to fucking do anything until advantage

but holy fucking shit, the absolute bore of being there

[sick temple]

You get to 6 match mmr you get the same players all the time

and 7/10 they arent even from the region

[sick temple]

if you gonna adad 30 mins on a roof with 180 ping i rather just turn around and find a lobby where people want to engage and have fun

[young ridge]

New character

[remote moss]

is that a hunt ad

totally looks like it

[sick temple]

Probably new chinese dlc for new years

yup

[remote moss]

except you cant do that either, because for some reason, only specific premades seem to get to fuck over players 2 mmrs below more often than you

lol

[granite blade]

it says "story challenges"

[remote moss]

when you try to do it, randoms just doesnt let you bully as much

[granite blade]

and "new content"

[remote moss]

yeah, hunts adding a new campaign, peak

[sick temple]

i fell sleep reading "new content"

this game calls new content recycling events

[remote moss]

theyre practically forced to, yeah

[sick temple]

Which sucks too

[remote moss]

shit, im not even a hunt customer anymore, havent seen any dlc i wanted to buy in a long time

[sick temple]

cause then you get overinflated egos and their kds thinking they are better

[remote moss]

just waiting on good bb hunters

[sick temple]

just to get dommed back to the menu

[remote moss]

shit ton of those

always feels good to pop them

[sick temple]

eu is ego peeking simulator bro

you could be 2 seconds from extracting

your teammate could have a dolch and people are sniping at him +120m

and the dude will still peek

[remote moss]

so theyre willing to play stalemate in EU but suddenly greed to peek at long range because they think theyre safe from headshots

sounds like EU

[sick temple]

Totally EU

"im better because i have 1.73 kd and you have 1.50 bro"

does nothing all the game, doesnt even speak english

just dies and ragequits

not bothered to open the chat

then "those" accounts from certain places that arent even configured in steam, level 2 on steam, with 1 single game (guess)

(burners)

to do any type of exploiting, cheating or tking

then your overlays sweatlords

[remote moss]

probably more noticeable on low playerbase, most of the people ive met have been chilled out

[sick temple]

that need 260hz and 4 3rd party programs to actually play

[remote moss]

except for like one eu guy that got mad cause i fucked up his stickybomb to kill the assassin strat

[sick temple]

Thats the problem, you cannot get out on EU

once you get there its impossible

literal hell

[remote moss]

meh

[sick temple]

derranking will tank kda (which randoms will cry about)

[remote moss]

tf, deranking doesnt tank kda anymore

[sick temple]

and have to die +40 times

[remote moss]

its harder than before but just farming solos nets you 3KD while still losing mmr

[sick temple]

without a single assist

to have english speaking ppl

[remote moss]

uhhh no, when you do shit like that, it marks you and slows down the drop

[sick temple]

What solos bro

[remote moss]

dude, just go into solos to farm KD and lose mmr

lol

[sick temple]

Ah, the usual solo-trios

Boring as hell too

See i dont want to do that shit either to "have fun"

[remote moss]

cant specify, but you can get a 5KD while still losing enough mmr to constantly play 3 stars atm

[sick temple]

Its just poorly designed

And cqcing is just trading simulator, even now

At least where I play

I sent this before

You would think huh, nice xbow shot

No, he shot with with a nitro dumdum

Do you hear the nitro?

In fact, the server thinks he shots first (lmao)

[sick temple]

TLDR: Santa claus was the nitro

[remote moss]

i mean, he did?

[sick temple]

He does not shoot, no muzzle, no nitro shot audible

[remote moss]

dropped, shot you, ping registered it and hit you about a quarter of a second before you actually shot and then a bit for it to register

[cobalt oxide]

this is rachtaz matching MMR

[sick temple]

This is on trios, im usually just 5 match MMR

[remote moss]

i dunno, i usually hear shots when it gets invalidated, i dont know if its audio bug or shot bug and all that

[sick temple]

but im not nearly a quarter of good as him

[remote moss]

i mean, i can give you easy advice to become 50% as good as him

just has to change your playstyle though

[sick temple]

xddddddd

[cobalt oxide]

i usually have 4 of matching mmr

alone

[sick temple]

This is not shot invalidation bro

Because I do hit him, its just a poor trade window because the player is from a certain country outside EU margins

Invalidated shots you dont even get a hitmaker bruh

[remote moss]

i mean, if he had high ping and still shot you after instantly seeing you while he dropped down, he has better reaction time

im just saying

reaction time is important cause it marks when the shot occurs, but you cant see that, only when it registers after hitting the server

[sick temple]

Its an issue on hunt, its just desynced

same as when people dont hit melee but still kill you

He didnt shoot on my camera

No muzzle, no audio

[remote moss]

just chalk it up to funny hunt shenanigans

[sick temple]

Not to mention i would have been fucking deaf, its a nitro shot

[sick temple]

Hunt shenanigans new players wont tolerate

and thus leave

Xd

[remote moss]

and you can predict desync even if the other guy has 150ms when theyre trying to melee you, just means you need an extra 3m to account for it

[sick temple]

Because who would defend this pile of crap

[modern pebble]

“Systems for loadout diversity” who else stocking up on dolches

[remote moss]

so anyone that dies to melee desync nowadays is some load of shiiit

[atomic coral]

Last night ping and packet loss was so bad, I died and was on the ground before I heard the shot.

[modern pebble]

dolch gonna be scarcew

[sick temple]

No, im talking about people who aim at the weapons but never hit the melees

[remote moss]

it feels the same for a lot of other games on high ping though. only one that comes to mind is insurgency, but its full auto with high ttk so its less noticeable with slow fire rate guns and shit

[sick temple]

visible on katanas, for example

[remote moss]

oh that shit

yeah

[sick temple]

no "grunt"

no melee animation

you just "die"

[modern pebble]

high TTK ?

[agile void]

When I enter the game, it stays on a black screen, I don't see any errors, just a black screen, I play on Steam.

[remote moss]

time to kill

[modern pebble]

but

[remote moss]

people cry about slugs in insurgency even though its inferior to any high caliber

[runic cargo]

oh no

[modern pebble]

you consider insurgency a high TTK game ?

[remote moss]

yea? id say something like apex is slow

[modern pebble]

high TTK means slow

cause that’s a lot of time

[sick temple]

what

[modern pebble]

u know

[remote moss]

oh shit, lol

[sick temple]

ah

[remote moss]

nevermind

[modern pebble]

ye but i get it now

hunt has low stk but the ttk itself is brought way up by every weapon taking like 17 minutes to fire more than once

except the weapons i like ofc

[remote moss]

ok, dolchy

[modern pebble]

yes i run cyclone dolch p

problem ?

[remote moss]

you absolute monster

cyclone is all you need for close range

[modern pebble]

evil loadout

[remote moss]

you want a long range rifle like mosin obrez like a rat

[cobalt oxide]

guys i don't know why but i noticed that Individual MMR of clash now is the same of the normal mode , because for example today doing a lot of clashes in Clash mode I went down from 6 to 5 stars and then after a game of Bounty Hunting which I won among other things also making a lot of kills I noticed that the mmr was 5 there too, I brought the mmr back to 6 to check and then I played another game of Clash and there too it was 6 stars MMR again

[modern pebble]

I still think the dolch p is a better weapon than the cyclone tbh

[modern pebble]

4 shots feels a bit short when a trio rushes me

[atomic coral]

Had a guy earlier today shooting us with cyclone high velocity from 50+m

[remote moss]

yeah more ammo, cyclone doesnt have the same 1v3 security

[sick temple]

not even a hitmaker, nothing

[remote moss]

always die to the 3rd fucking guy even with high rof

[sick temple]

I shot first in fact

watch it 0.25

[modern pebble]

it’s why I even prefer the officer carbine lowkey

cyclone is broken but as a weapon for a non ratty solo I don’t like it as much

[remote moss]

officer carbine still goated once you learn the weird flick compensation shit, i hate it though

[sick temple]

bruh

[modern pebble]

the what

[remote moss]

you gotta flick cause of the way it recoils

[modern pebble]

oh it’s that argument again

[remote moss]

for maximum rof, anyway

[modern pebble]

they weren’t lying you really do talk about it a lot

[atomic coral]

Yeah I think that hit head

[modern pebble]

lowkey I don’t go for maximum rof on any gun

I line up heads

[remote moss]

yeah thats the usual way to do it

[sick temple]

Sad

[modern pebble]

I either headshot the whole lobby or I die to the first lvl 3 I meet

[remote moss]

i main bornie match beacuse its the only gun that suits my high rof urges, but the sight sucks so my consistency blows

[modern pebble]

No in between

[modern pebble]

excuse me ?

[remote moss]

it happens

[modern pebble]

pal.

[remote moss]

yeah the sight sucks

anyway that says otherwise, ill fight you

[atomic coral]

Officer carbine?

[remote moss]

nah too slow

[modern pebble]

i like the sights

[remote moss]

i agree they look great

but they design it so you have basically no peripheral vision when aiming

[sick temple]

I like the sights too

[modern pebble]

Give officer match a cycle time of -1

[sick temple]

And "now" you can run it solo without ammo pooling with something

[modern pebble]

Two rounds per shot

[sick temple]

(borheim match)

[cobalt oxide]

Guys, I don’t know why, but I noticed that the individual MMR in Clash is now the same as in normal mode. For example, today after playing a bunch of Clash matches, I dropped from 6 to 5 stars. Then I played a Bounty Hunt match, won it, and got a lot of kills, and I noticed my MMR was also 5 there. I raised it back to 6 just to check, then played another Clash game, and sure enough, it was 6 stars there too.

[hoary pecan]

Bornheim?

I love that gun

[modern pebble]

sorry I can’t play the game without having 4 ammo boxes

[remote moss]

we hear you, matrix, we have no clue wehat youre talking about

[fluid temple]

whats the deal with the lulu skin why do people want it so bad? it looks like a free hunter skin

[modern pebble]

I can’t stop trying to wallbang everything

[sick temple]

Idk mmr on bounty clash has always been wonky

[remote moss]

oh you mean that, nah the shown mmr is delayed a few games behind your actual current mmr

[modern pebble]

i ran into a 500000 star player in bounty clash guys… Fix mmr !!!!

[sick temple]

you laugh but they wanted to add more

[remote moss]

right? its damn fun

[modern pebble]

I can’t wait for the game to suck once the roadmap stuff is implemented

[sick temple]

7 or 8 was it? lmao

[vague sigil]

Can the mods please update bileweavers it’s been nearly a day there’s no way we haven’t completed stage 2

[remote moss]

i mean, game can only go up from here, nothing can beat how unfortunate the 1896 launch was

[modern pebble]

id rather we get get a number so ppl realise how many 6* are 3* in disguise

[tacit bloom]

what does it mean by more hunters per match ? is it going from trios to quads now or just more teams each match or just a better guarentee of having a full 12 player match each game ?

[modern pebble]

“systems for loadout diversity “ sounds like something that I won’t like

[remote moss]

theyre gonna make it so we cant run more than one or two shots or something

lol

[modern pebble]

usually loadout diversity just means fuck running what you want

[remote moss]

force the meta to change by everyone having a free kill frag instead of a stam shot or whatever

[modern pebble]

run what we let you run

[sick temple]

Basically

[remote moss]

i just hope they dont limit ammo boxes to 1

[sick temple]

There was the number, you know

[modern pebble]

i have a feeling it’ll be some fucking garbage like that

[sick temple]

but they rather just bump 5 into 6 and call it a day

[modern pebble]

oh they probably will do worse even

[sick temple]

and then the 5 mocks you because he has "high kd" for farming in the elos

[remote moss]

its a good thing though, original 6 star was killstreak based instead of consistency

[sick temple]

and then dies like a dog 4 times

reepeeking the same angle

[modern pebble]

I’m fine with my low-ish kd

[modern pebble]

What

I’m talking about showing the actual number tho

No stars

[sick temple]

Yes, you could see that in old hunt

using notepad

tryhardy way

[modern pebble]

Yeah but old mmr was

[sick temple]

only used by kda farmers

[modern pebble]

volatile

[sick temple]

Yeah

And 6 has a 2000 elo difference

xd

I rather be like before, a 5 fluctuating between 5-6 because i dont think im good at all

rather than perma 6 the moment i get a teammate

[remote moss]

its only really a visual change since brackets are kinda fucked anyway beacuse of low playercount. youd be fighting the same 5 stars that look like 6 star vets rn

[sick temple]

Now your average random is a bumped 4 star

[sick temple]

That is the case already on EU

[modern pebble]

why don’t you just solo vs trio and lose to weird bullshit but not get a second chance since ur solo and not ratting and drop to 1 star

[sick temple]

you fight against the same people to the point that if you see their names you know how they play already

[modern pebble]

remove ratting

[sick temple]

Because believe it or not i play this game casual af

i hop to play w friends and thats pretty much it

[modern pebble]

rather than force me to not run cool kits force everyone to move

if you stay still for 20 seconds you explode

[sick temple]

I run those bro

[modern pebble]

no revive possible

[sick temple]

you saw my loadouts you think either im trolling or throwing or not 6

[remote moss]

rather than force everyone to move, make every wall wallbangable

[modern pebble]

sorry we are adding systems to encourage loadout diversity

[remote moss]

give me a nitro that can pen the ground and wallbang someone in basements

[modern pebble]

every weapon besides the nagant is now scarce

but we didn’t increase spawns

just look for saddles or something

[sick temple]

Based loadouts

[remote moss]

our new point system will now ensure that scoped weapons are five times as expensive now because of X story event for 2 months

ah yes, anti poor people mechanic

[sick temple]

XDDDDDDDD

[sick temple]

People still cry about losing money in this game btw

[modern pebble]

the system will just be an extra 0 behind every weapons price

[sick temple]

as if that-was-really-a-thing

[remote moss]

i mean, money was only easy to get during event

i was always poor as fuck before the registers

lol

[sick temple]

Now its everywhere

[sick temple]

I was there once, when golden BB registers bugged

and spawned in the same spot

every match

Actual good times lmao

[atomic coral]

I haven't used registers at all for 5 prestiges this event. I always get to 20K+ hunt dollars by the time I hit 100

[remote moss]

always get the free bb

[sick temple]

Ironworks

🗣️

[remote moss]

anyway, hope they manage to get the time to dedicate to slowly improving quality of life and shit

its the small things that'll make hunt more enjoyable, since we're all fucking pissed and cranky already

[modern pebble]

I hope the systems to increase loadout diversity will not make me quit

[remote moss]

probs wont

youll get dragged in through the power of addiction

[modern pebble]

That’s the thing

I can already barely enjoy the game

If im forced to run a random ass fucking weapon every time I get on ill just uninstall

[sick temple]

basically

[remote moss]

i dont think theyre dumb enough to force weapon variety, maybe just more specific choosable missions, people already hate missions as is

im expecting it more to affect consumables

[modern pebble]

lmao cant fucking wait for solos to get no ressources

you get ONE syringe

(weak)

[remote moss]

no no, solo perk that lets you bring 2 syringes

[modern pebble]

it costs 12 trait points

[remote moss]

yes

[modern pebble]

takes 3 slots too because fuck solos

[remote moss]

well no, theyre improving solos bit by bit

id say its 4 points so it fucks you on meta perks likre surefoot

[modern pebble]

with all the crying ive seen maybe they will start going the other direction

[modern pebble]

nice cant wait for nerfed solo

[sick temple]

i dont see a solo since fuck knows when

[modern pebble]

i already feel far too advantaged fighting teams of 3 that can revive each other

its super unfair that i get to be one person

[sick temple]

i have to be playing solo myself at 4 am for that to happen

im guessing at this rate it is the same shi

some goober sitting behind an scope

or a rambo guy

with no inbetween

but i dont see a rambo since my first 200h

[raven totem]

be the rambo

[wintry ferry]

IDK I feel like money has always been trivial, but was just made more trivial by events and the vulture rework

Even back then when I didn't know about full inventory hunter loot giving you money since you have no slots to fill

Back then there weren't event cash regs, no vulture auto-money on loot, but things were generally cheaper too

I remember officer didn't cost as much as it does now, I think it went from 50-ish to 90-ish

Romero as well I remember was less than 50 back then

I spammed Romero-Uppercut at 20fps 800x600 and would only win like 30% of my games but I was still making bank

[uncut plume]

Any idea what the hunter bots means in this context ? Bot players confirmed ?

[reef flame]

Is 8mbit/s enough to play the game or should i not bother?

[granite blade]

they have been a thing for a little while now, new players up until a certain bloodline level will face bots and other new players only

[shrewd kite]

hi

[olive thorn]

[shrewd kite]

[granite blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-ugly-cat-dumbass-cat-gif-23136918

[uncut plume]

8mbit/s internet speed ? That's more than enough for any game, games don't send much data through internet anyway

[slim maple]

lol XD There are soooo salty ppl out there. We were in trios, encountered a duo, right? Killed and burned out his teammate, and i was like "dude, lets chill out. Just go to the one exit, we're going to another, all good." He's like "YOU KILLED MY FRIEND YOU BASTARDS! " like we killed them IRL, wtf xD

[deep wadi]

man i love hunt server crash when i finally get the centennial dumdum world drop

[granite blade]

thats not salty thats called RP

[reef flame]

Oh fr? I was worried my new apartment internet was too bad for it, literal 100x downgrade in speed

[uncut plume]

As long as it's stable you shouldn't have issues with it

[uncut plume]

Still praying everyday for cent dum-dum to make a return

[remote moss]

where the fuck is gar

[reef flame]

Thanks ill try and hope its stable

[remote moss]

We are exploring systemic changes, such as how we can combine Consumable and Tool slots to unlock new levels of loadout diversity and encourage creative builds.

@modern pebble

bruh, they even said they were going to

lol

and a primal and destructive firearm

the fuck? sounds cool

cant wait for us to get a flamethrower to sniff out rats

[modern pebble]

that does not sound negative

so surely it hides something else

[stone basin]

Who is up hunting their showdown

[uncut plume]

I'm not a huge fan of bileweavers returning later next year, I'd have been fine with them disappearing for good, I don't feel they fit thematically, feels more alien than anything in hunt imo, just my take on it

[remote moss]

theyre gonna add game modes so we can test things we like

which is interesting, itll split the playerbase but the playerbase is shit either way personally

[modern pebble]

all this is a way to hide their evil unfun changes like removing my guns

[remote moss]

like, game modes to test something specific then remove it and all that

[remote moss]

probs

dolch precision isnt healthy for game

dolch is though, funny to watch dolch users miss

[stone basin]

Id be fine with em if they made them more dangerous after the event like plant the eggs above doors and stuff like traps so when players walk through the explosion of the egg hatching does damage to players

[modern pebble]

im actually ok with dolch p.

if qm were removed

[remote moss]

aw hell no, thats bs

oh yeah if qm is gone, dolch p is worth it

wait no, doublke slots still too op

[modern pebble]

i think qm makes medium weapons too ahrd to balance

[remote moss]

i was thinking dolch p forced to be a primary slot

[modern pebble]

if theyre decent by themselves theyre broken with a long slot

if theyre not they suck anyways

[modern pebble]

i mean with double medium you'd be forced to have an obrez at best and that still hits not as hard from a distance

has less mv allat

yk drawbacks

[remote moss]

i wouldnt say so, its perfectly viable in all normal mosin ranges which still averages out to 100m at worst

it needs the old sway where most people couldnt use it for it to be balnaced

[modern pebble]

ugh but then i feel like that is the lamest balancing act ever

just sways a fuck ton

its also why no one uses pistols

[remote moss]

it is but it works

id rather see all purpose loadouts using something like cent shorty

fmj on cent shorty is about 400mv, so its even. silenced cent shorty is already near 400mv, all easy to learn and use

[modern pebble]

blegh

not a fan

[remote moss]

you dolch fetishist

its only normal

[uncut plume]

I don't see the argument here, diversity is good and obrez is a clear downgrade from mosin, thus why it's a 2 slot gun, and it costs much more than cent (yeah yeah costs don't matter ik)

[main flax]

wheeze

Me and a duo just waited for a solo for like, 30 minutes cause he just sat on bounty, then when he finally left, with like 10 minutes left in the match, we hunted him down and killed him

[remote moss]

nah, current two slots are too strong rn, and kills actual diversity. obrez is not a clear downgrade, still has the easy two tap at mosin range and easy to control. and mosin obrez drum currently gives 10 free long ammo shots for no fucking reason

[uncut plume]

For dolch I think the ammo economy makes it much worse than people make it to be (unless you're top 1% player and don't miss a shot ever)
Sure it's quite good but you don't have much chances to miss unless you take full ammo boxes but then you sacrifice consumables slots so it's a way of balancing it

idk

[main flax]

Poor dude panicked so hard he missed an entire Chain Conversion Pistol on me

[uncut plume]

How is it not a clear downgrade ? What stat is better on obrez than 3 slot mosin ?

If every stat is either the same or worse, sights is worse, how is it not a downgrade ?

[remote moss]

stats? it doesnt have enough downsides for a two slot rifle while still freeing up your primary. the worst are the thicker sights but good sights are specifically important for hs consistency. you still two tap with obrez at less than 10% extra effort with a regular mosin

[full jungle]

None but the fact is you can take a full size shotty and still have a ridiculous 2 tap and 1 shot down after they have a bar missing

[remote moss]

its like calling romero handcannon a downgrade to romero, even though you can pair it with quartermaster and only loses 2m in range for more loadout potential

[uncut plume]

Issue is with qm then not the obrez

[remote moss]

no, its qm and the obrez

[full jungle]

No the issue is with obrez

[remote moss]

old obrez was not a problem

all two slot rifles and shotguns got buffed to the point of fucking over pistols

only time i see a pistol nowadays are funny fmj trueshot guys or poor people

[uncut plume]

agreed on that, but then the issue of balance is not 2 slot rifles against 3 slot rifles but 2 slots rifles against pistols
I still don't see how obrez is better than mosin in any way, except for qm making it possible to pair it with a full sized shotgun

[stone basin]

I run pistols to this day honestly even tho getting QM off rip is probably all around a better loadout pistols are just rad

[remote moss]

the mild stat penalties dont amount to anything thats noticeable so it is "technically" an upgrade for good qm players that want a different primary

during the double primary trait in the last event, i fought too many mosin shitters that couldnt aim their main rifle and had to crutch on ck slugs if anyone tried to fight in closer ranges

fucking annoying, all these bad players that still have a full mosin to two tap you if they get lucky or your movement goes to shit

[stone basin]

My hunter having a brain aneurysm after I jump once

[hollow apex]

hunt showdown cross platform?

[remote moss]

nothing like playing any shooter with movement then your hunter forcing you to lobotomize yourself and rely solely on strafing

i still jump and crouch out of habit and it just ends up fucking my movement

[stone basin]

Honestly its what I like about hunt tho is how everyone is so STIFF it really does feel like we are all just dumb cowboys with machine guns and semi auto shotguns

[lapis beacon]

Skill issue ngl

[hollow apex]

jacket numba 1 hater lol

[lapis beacon]

Yeah it would be fun for pc players but the opposite for console players

[hollow apex]

it'd be fun for all

[remote moss]

most hunt engagements are in compound, itll hurt but its good for buffing the playerbase, whatll suck is the sheer mmr drop for most consoles

[hollow apex]

mmr and rankings would level eventually and all would be well

[remote moss]

aint no rootin and tootin quite like fistful of frags

[lapis beacon]

Be ffr

How many hours do you have

[hollow apex]

bf6 is cross plat and dookie pc players are in console lobbies getting merked

[hollow apex]

altogether like 400 ish between ps5 and now pc

[remote moss]

bf6 is cross plat but console has aim assist so they farm fellow bad players but with an aim advantage

[lapis beacon]

Yeah thats what I thought

[remote moss]

at the lower scale, aim assist is the bomb

a lot of hunt is preaiming so consoles arent too disadvantaged in aim once youre looking at higher mmr, but a lot less cool aim moments

[hollow apex]

the amount of hours i have has nothing to do with the opinion that cross plat would be cool

[uncut plume]

My issue with cross platform
I don't think it's fun for console players to get destroyed by pc players with access to better aim
And it's not fun for pc players to be killed by a machine and not actual player skill expression

[hollow apex]

i still play hint on controller on pc lol

[remote moss]

make it toggleable, ez

[uncut plume]

Then I'm all for it

[remote moss]

yeah, itd be funny watching everyone be forced to toggle it cause consoles even more dead cause people are willing to play at disadvantage against pc for better games

[uncut plume]

But the day it's forced on me is the day I call quit, too many shooters been plagued by cross platform already

[hollow apex]

you won't quit

[remote moss]

apex console aim assist moment

[uncut plume]

I quitted apex

[hollow apex]

you'd still play lol

[remote moss]

i swear, i fight too many console players that suck at everything but have that auto lockon shit

[uncut plume]

Yeah sure whatever, if you wanna believe that I'm not gonna argue with you about how I'd act

You probably know better than me

[uncut plume]

Thanksfully hunt aim assist doesn't seem as blatant and "bad" as apex

So it wouldn't be as bad

[hollow apex]

i know hman behavior. anything we're adament about in life we stick to, through tick and thin lol. if you like hunt, you'd stay

[uncut plume]

Yeah just like I did apex

Right

As stated you know me better than I do

No point in arguing

[hollow apex]

that's why your opinion is strong at an opinion on discord

all im saying, is it would be cool. plenty games do it nawadays and to be able to game with friends still on console would be cool. rather than jumping off pc to get on console

[uncut plume]

Plenty games do it nowadays and plenty games are plaged by that exact change, just sayin'
If it's toggleable it'd be nice for the reasons you stated, if it's not it's gonna piss off a lot of people, not just me, and some of them will eventually quit, maybe not me as you seem to know me quite good, even better than I do, but some will

[hollow apex]

is toggleable a standard for cross plat games? most i've played with cross plat capability have it

if it is a fairly standard trademark of cross plat games, then it stands to reason hunt would be the same

[uncut plume]

If it's toggleable I don't see any good reason to be against it, more options is always better for those who wants it, if it's forced on players it sucks imo and I stand on the fact it would make me quit the day it's announced

[full raven]

I find this super funny to read

[hollow apex]

i'm not the best typist lol

[uncut plume]

I like the implication if I quit I don't really like the game 👀

Either you agree with me or you just don't really like the game I like

[hollow apex]

do you often quit things you like?

[uncut plume]

Yes, when I think they turned into shit I usually quit
I like hunt with no crossplatform, the day it is forced on me it's not the same game I liked

[hollow apex]

also it seems that you're on boardf with it being cross plat just with a stipulation. That's cool!

[uncut plume]

I loved OW, then it became shit for too many years to count, I gave up, even though I was in love with the game at first

[uncut plume]

I'm on board with people having the choice if they want it

But it's not for me

I don't know how to be clearer than that

[hollow apex]

so there's a game-turned-to-shit to time you'll still play it ratio

[whole mist]

I think most anti-crossplay is just cope for skill issue

[hollow apex]

i'm new to pc gaming so maybe in time i'll share that opinion of yours

[uncut plume]

wtf are you on about, you want to make scientific calculations about the topic ? Be my guess lol

[unique trail]

I never played OW

I play marvel rivals though

And hunt

Never at the same time though

[uncut plume]

OW was the first game giving me this feeling, I'm not as kind now precisely because of the time I spent waiting for OW to be better again

I'm not making the same mistake again

[unique trail]

[X] Doubt

[hollow apex]

I made a deduction based off what you said. I inferred, so maybe I do know you better than you know yourself lol

[uncut plume]

Again, you know me better than I do, I don't see a point arguing with that

You're right about me, you know me better than I do

👍

[hollow apex]

brother we can help you move on from the past hurt you've felt from gaming

[unique trail]

👍

[uncut plume]

Wtf are you smoking fr ? Did I ask you for any help ?

[empty eagle]

Let's keep it chill peeps

[unique trail]

[hollow apex]

imagine OW, then imagine giving it a big hug and tell it you forgive it and the devs for betraying you

[unique trail]

Go kill some spiders

[unique trail]

This is hunt chat

[uncut plume]

Plz give me your contact, quality of your stuff seems good

[hollow apex]

my contact (and A LOT of ppl aren't going to care) is Jesus Christ. the big JC. he's helped me through everything in life and i know he cando the same for you in any facet of your life brother

[jaunty granite]

Hey so i bought the ghostface skin and died for the first time, did i permanently just lose my $15 skin?

[hollow apex]

15????? sheesh

and no. he's chillin

[jaunty granite]

CAD

[unique trail]

No

[jaunty granite]

oh thank god

[unique trail]

Hire a new hunter

[jaunty granite]

Thanks guys!

[hollow apex]

what bb said. 100 hunt dolla

[unique trail]

Imagine paying $15 a pop

[uncut plume]

I didn't know this server was for christian proselytism

[jaunty granite]

I would lose myself lmao

[uncut plume]

Thanks but atheism seems the most rational for me, I'm gonna stick to it

[hollow apex]

bro 15 is nuts

[uncut plume]

Explains why you think you know people better than they do though

[hollow apex]

jacket chill lol

[uncut plume]

Imaginary friends help I guess

[hollow apex]

ive disengaged from you relax man. you asked

but anyways, 15 is still nuts but that exchange rate i guess

[uncut plume]

You can buy it back in legendary hunters tab

For 100 hunt dollars

[hollow apex]

cross progression would be cool. I guess that would require cross plat first? idk

then i wouldnt have to buy everything again but eh, ill buy my favorites again anyways

[ancient cave]

console players had a glitch where they were crossplaying to pc and they already crossplay to other consoles so it's not like impossible for them to just do cross progression

[uncut plume]

Cross plat isn't needed for cross progression, you just need a way to link accounts from console and pc, but the game can still differentiate between both platforms

[south shore]

What id give to have one account and have all my skins in one place

[fluid temple]

noooo i got baseball kid

i wanted toilet bro

[ancient cave]

if there was cross progression I coudl so easily chill out boon farming on xbox in my living room

[hollow apex]

they'd prob make less money then huh

[unique trail]

Welcome to HUNT

[hollow apex]

if cross progression

[uncut plume]

You still have to rebuy the game on the other platform, but yeah they'd lose money on skins, but they'd look good for offering it

So long term it's good for their image

[jaunty granite]

i mean, seems really fun so far. i got like 12 kills before my first death so i'm happy

[uncut plume]

grunts don't count 👀 (joking)

[jaunty granite]

nah hunters

the stake is really good

[whole mist]

As a PC player, i think controller players “YoU AiM WitH YoUr WhOle ArM” is just cope for 90% of the player base.

Same with PC to controller users in a game that’s not CoD or Apex. “Omg i died to a controller player aimbot”

No, you would’ve died to a Wii remote cuz you peaked horribly out in the open.

I mean, look at how many people cope with dying to cheaters who are obviously just good players. The people dont even know what they dont know.

Trusssssst me, just cuz you got a mouse doesnt make you instantly Shroud

The skill ceiling is far deeper on MnK, but it goes both ways too (high skill and low skill) cuz of the lack of aim assist.

Id rather play with a larger friend base across multiple platforms than segregate because of a small % of scenarios potentially decided by input preference.

Just my opinion tho

[noble hatch]

anyone else getting into hunt clashes alone?

just no one else in the lobby lmfao

[unique trail]

Those were probably bots

[uncut plume]

If controller players are coping why give them aimbot/aim-assist then ? My whole issue is with how aim-assist is implemented, either you're saying they don't really need it and need to get better, or I don't get your point
If I lose to a PC player I know they did the work to shoot me, not their console for them
I see your point about people dying to console because they played poorly, and sure it'd happen, but it'd also happen to die to them because they have aim-assist and you don't
Either we agree on not differenciating depending on what controller people use, or we differenciate on what controller they use but then I don't see why not keep them separated

[atomic coral]

Very new players get bots now, unfortunately gives unrealistic expectations

[granite blade]

i'd be fine with it if we can choose to opt in/out of crossplay lobbies or make it where console players can choose to opt in/out but opting in disables all AA

[uncut plume]

If we get the option to choose I'm fine with them keeping AA for those who want to go against AA, I personnaly wouldn't chose this option

[atomic coral]

I see it as aim assist makes it easier to take advantage of an enemy's bad play or position, especially if they aren't crazy wiggle dodging

[uncut plume]

That'd be true of pc players too then

Except pc players have to make the play out of the enemy bad position

[granite blade]

yea if we get to choose then the AA can stay but if only they get to choose then it should be disabled when they opt in

[uncut plume]

agreed

[south shore]

I play both so Im only going address your first point becuase im mid match but it IS far easier to aim with your whole arm and make aim adjustment/track with a mouse.

[uncut plume]

But if there is an option I don't see why it wouldn't be for everyone

It'd be dumb to give the option to chose only to console players

[south shore]

Also Osprey BP baybeeeeee

[uncut plume]

Or only to pc players

[uncut plume]

I think there is something like that in GTA Online

Controllers can opt in with kbm but they lose aim assist

[granite blade]

overwatch lets console and pc play with eachother but when a console player plays with a pc player, its considered a pc lobby aand all AA is disabled

[uncut plume]

I think it's one good way of handling it

Not the only good way but I'm fine with it

I'm just not fine with being forced in any way to play against AA users as a non AA user

[granite blade]

same, idc what level of AA it is; if something other than themselves is assisting their aim, i dont want them around

[uncut plume]

Man I think you're a hater tbh 🤡

[granite blade]

buy a kbm if you want all the precision and control you dont have with just a controller

[granite blade]

https://tenor.com/view/crow-with-knife-caw-cro-cronos-crypto-gif-17669267114074025737

[hoary pecan]

Someone say bornheim?

[mortal cove]

I want Aim Assist to be selectable so when people aim at you they get aim assist And otherwise when you aim at someone they have to have aim assist enabled for you to get aim assist to work on them

And from that point I just watch the chaos unfold

[uncut plume]

If I have a disability preventing me from hearing as good as every other player, I don't think it's fair from me to ask them all to adapt to me by giving me a minimap with every player location because of the fact I'm unable to tell their location otherwise, it's on me to adapt to the game as is and not the others to be forced to play with a player playing with another set of rule than they do, idk if I made it clear, I'm not fluent in english
Every player should play by the same rules, or agree on any differences, if not, I'm clearly out

[uncut plume]

I'm not even sure what it means but I still know it's evil

[mortal cove]

My solution is perfect because it means from ultra sweats to the most casual of players, everyone will have a bad time

[whole mist]

If AA isnt too strong and implemented well, i think it’s fine. Ik some friends that turn AA off in some games if it’s too sticky and it just makes aiming feel horrible, or it locks into stuff they dont want it to.

If they do decide to mix, even with strong AA, im still going to play MnK just cuz it’s more comfortable and Ik it has certain potential advantages, even if controller AA is op.

I played comp Battlefront 2 (dont laugh) and on PC the aim assist was stronger than CoD or Apex, and i still played MnK against controller users. Sure, they hit good shots with how OP it was, but they were limited in other aspects of the game/certain heroes so it kinda balanced out

[uncut plume]

Have you ever considered a position at blizzard entertainment ?

[uncut plume]

I get the argument that it balances out, but I still think it's terrible to force players to play with others playing with a different set of rules

I don't think it's healthy for the game

I still think they should either make it toggleable or not consider it, at risks of alienating parts of the community (for good reasons)

[raven totem]

can't games also enable mnk on console?

[whole mist]

I think overall, at really high level play it, yes matters more what input you have.

The majority who are playing casual? I dont think it’s as big of an issue as people make it out to be and are just coping most of the time.

Like, in most cases in my experience, no GamerDad420 father of 3, you didnt die because of controller aimbot or PC aimbot biomechanic arm aim, you died cuz u play 2 hours a month.

There should just be an optional toggle to make both sides happy.

That’s all im trying to say

[raven totem]

idk how all that works, my xbox has become my childrens

[uncut plume]

I think consoles disable it

[raven totem]

so on a technical level it's not possible?

[uncut plume]

On a technical level it would be possible, but consoles usually bans it

To level the playing field, make it fairer to everyone

[raven totem]

as per developer right?

[uncut plume]

I don't think it's at the developers choice, it's at the manufacturer's choice

[raven totem]

I'm just saying crytek could potentially make it an option if crossplay was added, and if you do so you're in pc lobbies

[uncut plume]

As stated earlier, any way of doing it not forcing any player to play with any other players playing by other rules than they do I'm fine with

[full raven]

Anyone actually like pennyshot over buckshot on Fullsized Rival shotgun?

[uncut plume]

Either you make it toggleable, or you ensure everybody plays by the same rules

That's my stand on it

[granite blade]

i should make myself 90% legally blind so i have an excuse to use walls

[uncut plume]

If you're 90% blind you'll use walls to put your head into, nothing else

[whole mist]

Actually, i believe i can say it better: I think it’s a matter of on paper vs in practice.

I think it makes more sense to separate inputs on paper. In practice i think it’s not as big of a deal. (for most games). Not CoD, Apex, or BF2 of course. I think they are outliers

Or maybe they can do input based matchmaking with consoles. Dont consoles now have native MnK support?

Havent used one since PS4

[granite blade]

if they dont now, they will soon since the next xbox will have access to steam, epic games, and battlenet

[hollow apex]

How about we bring back knockout city?

[whole mist]

Oh wow. Sounds like a PC but with extra steps and lack of features lol. RIP xbox

[granite blade]

idk where you get extra steps from but as far as lack of features go idk since i havent done a deep dive into what else it'll be capable of

[mild flower]

do people still use pitcher?

[granite blade]

and if you mean just logging in and subscription... well pc has maintenance you could have to do and the page of settings optimizations you can do would spread from here to the nearest supermarket(i live in the sticks)

and sure you can avoid all that if you fork over 2k+ in parts and put it together yourself

[whole mist]

i guess consoles are just PCs, but with limited/custom software.

If the new xbox is going to support steam, Epic games, etc, at that point I’d just buy a PC and stick it in my living room. Especially now that PC xbox Gamepass exists.

Only way i can see a justification for this new xbox would be its price point. It would have to be really competitive

[tardy axle]

eh probably the savegames from the consoles before

[granite blade]

consoles are meant to be a more casual option given they cost less and controllers can be easily used from anywhere; chair, bed, couch, toilet, ectect

[tardy axle]

and backwards compatibility

[granite blade]

given that consoles are decently small form as well, you can leave it up next to your tv pretty easily and you dont ever need to do any management

consoles have always been the casual option. MS adding those game markets to their platform doesnt make it any less casual at base but instead gives the option for a less casual experience

[whole mist]

I mean, maybe in the past this was true. But arent consoles getting insanely expensive too? I cant imagine a PC costing that much more than a console for the same price to performance.

Steam/PC apps now are better with native supporting controllers now.

I guess backwards compatibility would be the only real draw. Or some super good exclusive (that somehow isnt on gamepass or steam already lol)

[uncut plume]

I don't but I think it's still pretty good

[whole mist]

Pitcher + surefoot + big dynamite = fun

[mild flower]

doesnt pitcher only affect big dynamite throw distance by 2m though

15m-17m

[granite blade]

consoles are around 1k while an up-to-date pc will cost around 2k if you dont future proof

[uncut plume]

I don't know the exact amount but yeah it affects it less than other throwables

still pitcher is quite good paired with surefoot

[mild flower]

cornf video from 2024

[granite blade]

idk what the price of that new xbox will be and if it is anywhere near the cost of a pc now then yea, definitely it will be a pretty big waste. i highly doubt it will be near 2k though.

[uncut plume]

Cornf has made quite inaccurate videos in the past so Idk if I'd believe his data

[mild flower]

how so

[whole mist]

I miss CornF

I liked his intros

[eternal cairn]

No one is queueing for clash. Tragic

[full raven]

Server dying

[uncut plume]

I feel every time I've said that here people have asked

I've explained it a few times before already, and others have

just search for it

[mild flower]

no reasoning comes up

js tell us

[whole mist]

What i dont understand with many games, is how stats in-game dont match up to what’s actually playing out in a match.

Like…..cant you just look at the numbers in the files and update your game’s Ui accordingly?

Im sure its more complicated that that, cuz so many games have inaccurate stat pages, and the fans have to come up with the real values of weapon dmg, etc

[south shore]

If you're gonna make a claim you have to defend it.

Start typing.

[whole mist]

Chads dont have to defend anything

“Explain yourself”

“No”

[tardy axle]

you explain why not

like that

[hasty wharf]

searched for it and found nothing

other than this, i guess #hunt-general message

[carmine minnow]

Hey friends, I want to play on my Xbox console but I'm getting a server error called Crycloud error 0x30001. I've already uninstalled and reinstalled the game several times and it's not working

[uncut plume]

I thought it had been explained more in details

Ignore my claim then, I'm too lazy to defend it right now

I can delete my comment if you wish

[tardy axle]

nothing more scary than a lazy god

[vital cradle]

alien???

[tardy axle]

Looks like a grunt to me

With her head tilted upwards

[junior badge]

"Furthermore, get ready for a significant addition to your arsenal in 2026. While we are not ready to reveal all the surprises, watch out for the glint of a new, experimental firearm that harnesses a primal and destructive force, promising to open up entirely new tactical possibilities."

Destructible walls in compounds? That needs you to bring something in to do it.

[hasty wharf]

scoped semi automatic hellfire launcher

[tardy axle]

Primal sounds like fire-related definitely

[mild flower]

many people have been theorizing a flamethrower, but i really doubt it's just a flamethrower because they promised it would reveal entirely new tactical possibilities.

[tardy axle]

Not destructive enough i guess?

[junior badge]

We have flamethrower. Dragons Breath. This says something new.

[mild flower]

nah, fire is plenty destructive, but it wouldn't open up entirely new tactics

unless that was just an empty promise

which i dont doubt too much actually..

[junior badge]

I do think they may have pre-determined destructible walls.

That you can breach.

[mild flower]

this

i think it could be a lightning or rotjaw goop weapon.

[tardy axle]

Imagine it's a pistol but levering

Xd

[junior badge]

Either bring the new firearm to do it. With maybe some world spawns that can do it rarely.

[mild flower]

not primal or destructive

or force

[tardy axle]

You said they lie

So it was a joke with what i like

[mild flower]

it's gonna be a full auto shotgun

[junior badge]

There's a chance for that too! Good thought.

[tardy axle]

Gambling the game with levering

[tardy axle]

Full auto? Not semi?

[mild flower]

full.

AA12 in hunt

[tardy axle]

Mega auto 5

[chrome lintel]

Lightning could be interesting, the generator mechanic was cool I'm kinda sad it left

[mild flower]

autoer 6

[chrome lintel]

It could interact with the electric lights

[tardy axle]

Avto 6

[junior badge]

But wonder how this would be compared to just concertina? That already slows you down and area denial.

[chrome lintel]

I looted someone who had an auto 5 and an auto 4. We dubbed it the auto 9

[mild flower]

that's a good point

[tardy axle]

Auto 9 loadout

What could be bro's aim to need 9 auto shots

[junior badge]

You could run the Auto-10 load out back when Gunrunner was a thing.

[tardy axle]

Xd

[chrome lintel]

I don't know

It didn't help him win

[tardy axle]

Can see that XD

[junior badge]

Yes but it helped him leave a legacy. You are talking about it.

[tardy axle]

It helped him drain his wallet tho

That shit expensive

[junior badge]

Some say he will go down in legend.

[chrome lintel]

True true

He took a harpoon to the chest before he could even shoot back

[tardy axle]

What happened with the cat

Anyways i'm gonna sleep now

Bye bye!

[chrome lintel]

Cya

Maybe they are going to make a melee charge? Or some kind of Kool aid man bust through a wall

[frank ember]

if i want to report 1 guy with a video ,who killed me for no reason ,where i can ask?

from my team of course

[junior badge]

To HR.

[lofty parrot]

Wanna play guess the MMR? 😄

[mild flower]

2*

[mild flower]

accidentally sent the horny one huh

[junior badge]

Lmaoooooo yes!

I didn't notice until after.

[lofty parrot]

Just out of curiosity
Why do u think 2?

[junior badge]

Had to resend

[mild flower]

i think it's 2 because you're asking here, which means the answer must be something unexpected.

because it's a positive kd p100 r100, it must be on the lower end seeing as a higher mmr would be expected

[lofty parrot]

xD good thoughts 😄
But no
What would be ur original guess?

[mild flower]

wdym original guess, like without considering why you would ask? Maybe 5*.

watch it be 1

[lofty parrot]

I could troll u and send a 6* xD
No but u were close with the 2 call
It´s 3 ^^

[mild flower]

makes sense

[lofty parrot]

I dunno why I always think p100 r100 should be high MMR 😄

[mild flower]

i feel like it's a bellcurve

Noobs are bad so they're low

mid tiers care about winning so they play scared and climb mmr from kda farming

the dedicated players often learn that it's more fun to just play the game without caring so much about dying, so they play more fun and don't climb mmr as much

not to mention they have infinite money so dying doesnt matter as much

[lofty parrot]

tbh I saw more 5 and 6* ppl camping compounds and exits for an eternity than 3 and 4*

[mild flower]

yeah cause that's how people get to those mmrs a lot of the time

because it's k/d based, playing safe is better for climbing mmr

[lofty parrot]

Then whats the point of continuing this as 6* ?^^

[uncut plume]

Because everybody else does it so it's the only way to stay there

Some people play for the rank more than anything

[lofty parrot]

Kinda sad

[uncut plume]

Depends, if that's how people get their fun who am I to tell them they're wrong to do so ?

[remote moss]

you right, but thats we said tho! main thing is that bad players with aimbot will constantly outclass bad players without it. then it evens out around the middle, then higher mmr where console disadvantage starts to be felt by good players

[lofty parrot]

But imagine in an extraction shooter u would get MMR points for actually extracting bounties? 😄
Crazy Idea 😄
XD

[uncut plume]

Actually nobody knows exactly how MMR is calculated, everybody's just guessing, maybe extracting is more valuated than we think

[remote moss]

they cant compete in skill so they make up for it in playstyle, thats why they play hunt in the first place

hunts one of those few fps games they can enjoy while getting shit on for not having good aim and all that

[mild flower]

is it worth using regular firebomb instead of hellfire bomb to pair with sparks

[remote moss]

only way we're getting competition in hunts niche is if someone puts out a game where you dont need to aim with autoaim mechanics or some shit, lol. maybe something like marvel rivals

[remote moss]

hellfire fucks bar permanently and dies down fast enough that you can push wherever you tagged them, hellfire always stronger

regular fire too much area denial if youre using it in tight spaces

[mild flower]

oh wait, half the blast radius damn

[mild flower]

what if, both

1 frag 1 fire 1 hell

[remote moss]

you silly non meta user

current meta is regen, stam, two ammo boxes

not enough room for that much util

[mild flower]

get out

[remote moss]

hey, i use vit shots cause i actually put myself in bad spots trying to push

im better than they are

[mild flower]

also ive never ever heard of stam being meta right now.

everyone just uses throwing tools

no reason to use stam