hunt-general

[wintry ferry]

Can randomly COMPLETELY WHIFF even when you have your crosshair centered

[unkempt flint]

Hi

[wintry ferry]

Bruh buckshot isn't true random it has bias towards the middle and smaller spread

[lofty sinew]

yeah p.sure this is why i only see it on the high ROF options

[full jungle]

I love the drilling for long range. Slap some hv on it and your slapping whatever you look at

[wintry ferry]

I thought I was getting cheeky by playing romero HC and having both buckshot and dbreath

DBreath to start trolling their bars and buckshot when I actually want to 1-tap

[full jungle]

Not really least I don’t think? I mainly play for range as I enjoy it so can’t speak too much on shotguns

[full jungle]

Use full size it’s way better

[wintry ferry]

I'm tryna think what sidearm I'd want with a full romero these days

[light sky]

I just noticed, my brother in Christ

[lofty sinew]

i mean i would still personally never bring DB unless i was feeling memey. i'd rather kill than burn bars

[light sky]

Why are you shooting DB on a romero HC at 20+ METERS

[wintry ferry]

if I was playing 15m below I'd just kill with buckshot or try to headshot the guy with a rifle

[light sky]

Bruh

Legit, bruh

[low gulch]

are console servers down?

[wintry ferry]

I was under the impression this shit burns far because I s2g I've gotten burned giga far by 3-4*

[light sky]

Not with a SHORT ROMERO

[lofty sinew]

i'm pretty sure within the ranges i've had bars blown off by DB I would have been dead with buckshot anyway tbh

[wintry ferry]

Short Romero is the same class of spread as Spec though isn't it

It kills at the same range

[light sky]

Brother, is a short barrel

Less range, worse spread

[wintry ferry]

Yeah but it's also romero which has uncharacteristically tight spread for short barrel

[pearl wharf]

anyone having always got disconnected while in game ? when reconnect back, it take long time

[light sky]

Not at 25 METERS

Not even 17m

Luckily 15m

[wintry ferry]

Probably just not with dbreath

but with buckshot you can pelt really hard at 25m

like deal 80+ damage and use it as a followup shot

[light sky]

[wintry ferry]

Also the barrel length logic again isn't 100% perfect because Romero HC historically and I think even up to now has better spread than long barrels like crown and medium barrel shotguns across the board

[light sky]

Crazy to say

Am I being a victim of baiting, again? 😭

My empanadas got cold

[iron pilot]

Get fukt

[light sky]

Nuh huh

[wintry ferry]

I've gotten ignited by small termy at those ranges so I think it's pretty reasonable to test Romero HC and think it should be more consistent than even that

but for whatever reason romero with special ammo has worse spread and the long barrel doesn't help it as well

[iron pilot]

[wintry ferry]

Like how other shotguns had penny shot back then that could even potentially SHRINK the spread (Terminus)

but romero is just so much worse

[light sky]

What did you get?

[iron pilot]

Sec

[turbid dock]

now try bomb lance DB

[wintry ferry]

Is it worse

Or is it actually better

[turbid dock]

possibly the best DB in the game

[wintry ferry]

Hm, thanks for telling me that

[turbid dock]

the singular shot, that is

[wintry ferry]

I almost overlooked bomb lance

[iron pilot]

My caffeine addiction is being fed

[whole mist]

Are you going to mix all those together?

[iron pilot]

Yea and then Im gonna snort it

Or I could boof it

[whole mist]

Could just….drink it

[lofty sinew]

man, every single flavor there sounds gross af

[light sky]

Bro about to join me in diabetes

[whole mist]

Sour gummy worm sounds good

[iron pilot]

Good thing its for me and not you

:>

[turbid dock]

sour green apple sounds goated

[whole mist]

https://tenor.com/view/gummy-worm-gif-124380867922307946

[iron pilot]

Sour gummi is pretty good

[turbid dock]

something about that artificial apple flavor tickles my brain

[iron pilot]

The sour Skittles flavor hits

[lofty sinew]

yes that is a good thing. i would rather buy and take caffeine pills.

[light sky]

I bought a bag of mango glazed with Tajin and chamoy lollipops

Been a banger

[whole mist]

Fr. I’ve never had any of those, yet I can taste them rn

[lofty sinew]

(and i do not want to do that at all)

[tranquil dawn]

Have you see new hunger trailer

Hunt showdown but it’s 1800

[lofty sinew]

yes. well. do you mean gameplay

from more recent closed alpha

[tranquil dawn]

Ye

[iron pilot]

I might play it just to play with my buddy but it doesn't scratch that itch for me

[light sky]

Are these like, supplement candy or just normal ones?

[iron pilot]

It's powderr

[light sky]

Oh

[iron pilot]

U mix it in water and drink it

[light sky]

Gotcha

[lofty sinew]

it looks interesting and i will end up playing it but can't say how much. it is not hunt

[light sky]

Then those flavors are weird

[iron pilot]

If the gun fights are fun im chill w/ it

[light sky]

I like fruity supplements

[iron pilot]

But I think it's gonna just make the issues hunt already has worse

[whole mist]

Is that gfuel? Or what

[iron pilot]

Ye a competitor to em

[lofty sinew]

i mean i think it's interesting the melee combat is more core to the game. but it's pretty hard to tell how much a game is gonna gel just by looking at early alpha gameplay

[iron pilot]

One of my streamer homies is partnered with them so I buy the shit to satisfy my caffeine fix and help them out a lil bit

[turbid dock]

i have a finely tuned sixth sense when it comes to smelling how much soul and love has been baked into a game from early preview footage and i can say that hunger fails the test

[light sky]

Just make coffee

A big chug

[whole mist]

I remember gfuel having traces of lead in it a few years ago. They fixed it obviously but i never bought it

[iron pilot]

If the game is more PvE focused I'd rather just play Elden Ring lmao

[light sky]

I don't really drink any sort of caffeine powder or Energy Drinks

[whole mist]

I feel like I would easily take too much

[iron pilot]

I like the powders bc they're usually a bit cleaner than energy drinks

[lofty sinew]

have you played HLL? it doesn't sound like it

[whole mist]

HLL is janky af

[turbid dock]

nope

[light sky]

Hunger looks pretty good, prob some game to chill along with Hunt

But honestly, I can't hardly see myself moving to it or playing it more than Hunt

[lofty sinew]

i reckon you're off base on that judgement myself. Which says nothing about the game being good or not. but still.

[whole mist]

It’s closer to Dark and Darker than it is to Hunt, imo

[light sky]

Yeh

The armor stuff is so clunky, I don't really like it

Plus, looting

[turbid dock]

mayhaps, only time will tell

[light sky]

So meh, but the art and stuff looks good

[whole mist]

My brain goes to potato mode when I see a looting UI

[light sky]

I just need Crytek to release physical Tarot Cards

[full jungle]

But musket

[lofty sinew]

it's a totally different style of game. at the point of that alpha footage it is clear there is no such thing as 1tap downs

[full jungle]

Musket make game good

[light sky]

Meh

[turbid dock]

they should make a real Tower card that sets fire to every human and animal in a 65 meter radius

[iron pilot]

Feesh

[light sky]

Some weapons look cool but still

[light sky]

Still, it's just Pre-alpha. I will apply for the next test and luckily I would be able to experience it better

[lofty sinew]

Hunger has potential to be fun but i have played enough games to know there is no point making up my mind in advance.

[light sky]

And hopefully change my mind

[whole mist]

Where can u sign up?

[iron pilot]

One of my buddies is like hard set on the shit and I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a pile of shit

[raven totem]

we gonna go shank people when it hits ea?

[light sky]

Sure

[raven totem]

I saw enough to know I'm going to get it

it'll have it's quirks early on fore sure, but thats ok

[lofty sinew]

That's how it be right. like most new games that vaguely spike my interest. I hope it doesn't turn out to be a dogwater nothingburger. but a lot of them do turn out that way.

[light sky]

Secret info

[whole mist]

🗿

[iron pilot]

After I pre-ordered the collectors edition of Anthem I will never get got again

[lofty sinew]

they are not doing any form of open test at this point afaik

[full jungle]

Isn’t it trying to be like an mmo type game?

[light sky]

I pre-ordered the new Pokémon Game

[raven totem]

ye

[light sky]

I never learn

[whole mist]

🗿 lol

[full jungle]

You poor poor soul

[light sky]

Looks pretty fun ngl

[lofty sinew]

no it is an extraction.. melee-loot-er-shooter thing of some kind.

[whole mist]

I’ve stopped pre-ordering games

[light sky]

And it is the Switch 2 version so will be less ass

[full jungle]

Isn’t the switch 2 like unbelievably scummy with what they’ve done with it

[iron pilot]

I refuse to buy a switch I will always Emulate Nintendo games bc fuck Nintendo

[lofty sinew]

yeah nintendo sucks

[light sky]

Pretty much, still a nice console under shitty administration

[whole mist]

I can’t unsee Nintendo consoles as for little kids only

[light sky]

Nintendo consumers are legit 30+ old

😭

[lofty sinew]

i owned a switch. the device itself didn't suck. the QC issues with the controllers did. it's how nintendo behaves as a company that sucks.

[whole mist]

Yea ik but still

(I say this as I load up plants vs zombies)

[turbid dock]

only old people play pvz

[light sky]

I may buy the Remaster

[whole mist]

Well I am a dinosaur

[turbid dock]

because its so old at this point

[light sky]

With co-op😔

Idk when it releases

[whole mist]

Wait, there’s a remaster?

[light sky]

Yeah

[whole mist]

WHHHHAAAAA!??!?

[light sky]

Announced a while ago

[whole mist]

Brb looking it up

[full jungle]

As much I want to have high hopes for it I really don’t

I don’t trust them to make it good

[light sky]

https://youtu.be/FTL_utrFfws

[lofty sinew]

if game freak sucked less as a developer pokemon games would suck less.

[light sky]

Honestly, the issue is not Gamefreak

[lofty sinew]

but whatever. it's a big 'ol walled garden that i have no interest in anymore

[light sky]

It's the Pokémon Company

Gamefreak is doing a game outside Pokémon and looks great.

[whole mist]

Oooooooo this month

[light sky]

The issue is TPC and how short the dev window they give for the games.

[lofty sinew]

I guess they exemplify stodgy traditionalist japanese culture to an extent

change = no

their recent patent crap is just.. bleh. garbage company. in the bin with them.

[whole mist]

How can they even patent something like that

Bet it’ll be challenged in court if someone’s brave (and rich) enough

[lofty sinew]

nintendo sit on a dragons hoard of cash

somewhat difficult to challenge

[full jungle]

Whatd they patent?

Also was it them who patented the nemesis system just to never use it

[lofty sinew]

a bunch of very basic game mechanics they weren't even the first to use

no that was shadow of mordor and i forget the parent company responsible

[mild flower]

Level up system?

[lofty sinew]

capturing animals to use as pets kind of stuff. i don't remember the full details, but it's a load of wank that is so broad it's stupid. the google can bore you to death on the subject if you want

[mild flower]

That is ridiculous

[lofty sinew]

just the concept of patenting specific game mechanics is fundamentally stupid

[full jungle]

Oh shit the lawsuit regarding palworld?

[wintry ferry]

WB

Lmao nobody can use that shit even tho the studio already shutdown

[lofty sinew]

yeah related to that, though the patents being stupidly broad is probably a bigger issue than them using them against palworld specifically

[left orbit]

do we get more bloodline xp when extracting with a fresh hunter? i don’t remember if it’s just hunter xp or also bloodline

[wintry ferry]

The scope is way too broad yeah

So even though you can make a somewhat distinct similar thing

You risk getting bulldozed by legal

Software patents are kinda screwed up

[lofty sinew]

that is how nintendo operates. they are bullies. even to content creators they don't like they leverage copyright claims and legal threats

[full jungle]

Didn’t they literally send like a swat team esque thing to some YouTubers house because THEY sent him the wrong cards for a preview?

[mild flower]

"bullies" is a slightly understated way of saying how corrupt they are

[fickle lotus]

thats pine now

[lofty sinew]

I don't have a full catalogue of nintendos shitty behaviour in my head

i need room for important stuff like cheat codes for 20 year old games and awkward things i did decades ago

[full jungle]

Your supposed to be the all knowing smh

[full jungle]

Nvm that was hasbro magic the gathering who sent Pinkertons to raid some YouTuber because they sent him unreleased cards on accident

[lofty sinew]

the world is a silly place, full of silly people doing silly things for silly reasons.

[left orbit]

i just realized that the BP has an animation for the mosin

mosin droolers gonna drool more

[fickle lotus]

that fucking mosin that i hate

[lilac wedge]

holster when

[fickle lotus]

60000000000000000 years

[hazy crest]

The holster guy quit

[fleet adder]

jeeesus christ ive finally experienced a win streak

feels like it's been weeks since i've had a solid night of hunt lol

[left orbit]

4 shot boon

[normal radish]

thats technically a 3 shot but pretty much accurate

[hazy crest]

Are you ever buying a 4 shot for the vitality?

[normal radish]

i have been saved by that at least 4 times

i remember them vividly

[wooden relic]

Are guns in Hunt hitscan or projectile-based?

[normal radish]

the latter

mv and drop range play a factor

mv= muzzle velocity

[small rampart]

is it normal that this game creeps me out

i just started and bruh

sound, ambient, npcs

it creeps me out more than outlast

[lofty sinew]

yes

[small rampart]

will i get over it

[lofty sinew]

eventually

[mild flower]

yeah thats a normal new player experience

[normal radish]

ooh thats a feeling i used to have, and i liked it while it lasted, its a nice touch to the game

[mild flower]

you kinda do but for a lot of people the paranoia never fully leaves

[small rampart]

oof

[worn oak]

Only Lebel on Spitzer ammo. Centi is fast too but not as fast.

[mild flower]

environmental sounds do a great job of making you feel crazy

[mild flower]

most likely you will mostly get over it

do you have arachnophobia btw

[small rampart]

are voice coms open in game

[small rampart]

no

[normal radish]

you can toggle it betwenn all/team/off

[mild flower]

there is a team voice and an all voice, seperate

[small rampart]

how

[fleet adder]

they can be, there are 2 seperate binds you can set for team voip and open voip

[wooden relic]

Also, why is the hit registration so inconsistent in this game? Blasting a 12g in someone's face has 50 / 50 to miss.

[mild flower]

this game has incredibly consistent hit registration compared to other shooters due to the favour-the-shooter system, do you have a clip?

[fleet adder]

just shoot me with it, you'll get the kill 100% of the time

[normal radish]

there is a keybind for it in comms setting, also in game

[ashen herald]

stupid question but how mutch heath do hunters have ? 150?

[mild flower]

150

[sinful aurora]

it's a horror game after all, over time you get mostly desensitized to it's inherent horror elements. but even after 6000 hours players sometimes jumpscare me so bad that they make me squeal (rarely tho)

[normal radish]

yee may have done the very possible action of WHIFFING

[hazy crest]

Everyone saying they shot people point blank with shotguns and it did nothing: You missed. Aim better

[fleet adder]

Eventually the AI stops being the horror element. And the players become the horror

[normal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-gif-25326090

[polar ridge]

You mean a 12-gauge? A shotgun? You do not shoot people in the head with those.

[lofty sinew]

if i am particularly mentally elsewhere game still makes me nearly ruin pants sometimes. but that is players

[low raptor]

One guy took 2 cho-ko-nus into game. Don't be like that (and missed with them all of the shots)

[wooden relic]

Ah then. I must have missed the shot then. Also, what is this "favor the shooter" system?

[polar ridge]

If it was a shotgun, you did not necessarily miss, just too few pellets hit the head to kill. Aim for the torso.

[mild flower]

below a certain extremely high ms requirement, if a shot hits on the shooter's client, the server will register it

[normal radish]

what it states, if you shoot first, your packet is prioritized

[sinful aurora]

hit registration is extremely consistent unless you have connection issues (packet loss)
i mean no offense or disrespect but 99.9% of hitreg complaints can be chalked off as misses or packet loss.

[lofty sinew]

only matters in nearly simultaneous fire instances

[low raptor]

can I get a single normal match up now. Previous guy was playing in team and absolute camper

[mild flower]

honestly i think i've only ever seen 1 clip of actually 100% hitreg issue and it was packet loss

all the others are just misses or people misinterpreting damage numbers and multipliers

[wooden relic]

Understandable. I must have missed the shot. Coming from game like Siege and Tarkov, I need to change my playstyle and learn the shooting mechanics a bit more.

[normal radish]

i wouldnt go as far as 99.9, id say about 70% of them. i do play other games and observe them as well

[lofty sinew]

that comes with time just like in those games

[normal radish]

hunt is aight, not terrible

[sinful aurora]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-state-of-hit-registration-in-hunt
in this blogpost they explain how it works, while this blog post is a couple years old, it's still mostly correct.

[mild flower]

respect for taking accountability for probably missing, most people are deadset on it not being their fault

[low raptor]

use long ammo like sparks so your shots do register

[lofty sinew]

the ammo type has nothing to do with hit registration?

[mild flower]

btw when you use shotguns in this game, aim for the torso.

[normal radish]

you can register with ANY ammo in game though

[fleet adder]

One thing is trying to get out of the way early is don't be afraid of making noise in fights and compounds.

[fickle lotus]

you can wallbang with shotguns when right next to the wall right?

[fleet adder]

Obviously when you're running around the map you want to avoid sound traps cause they absolutely can get you killed

[low raptor]

yep but with other guns you may miss

[mild flower]

yeah happened to me earlier

[lofty sinew]

don't be afraid of it but do be aware when you have provided positional information.

[wooden relic]

I just feel that I hit more shots playing Tarkov and Siege. I started playing this game like yesterday, so it is likely I am missing shots. No point blaming the game lol.

[normal radish]

not if you lead/aim properly

[normal radish]

it is possible yes

[mild flower]

yeah the gunplay in this game is rather unique imo

[fickle lotus]

thin concrete and wood right

[low raptor]

the bullet time window is so confusing in this game to the point if I take any other gun it will 70% be miss despite sparks being super fast

[normal radish]

they do employ automatic weaponry though

[mild flower]

sounds like you're just used to the sparks's leading

[sinful aurora]

that's a good mindset to have!
while shooter fundamental remain mostly the same, Hunt requires it's own set of game specific knowledge.

[fleet adder]

Likely just not used to the bullet velocities. Tarkov is using modern ammo with insane velocities. You gotta be using the long ammo guns/spitzer ammo or centennial to be getting velocity that fast

[lofty sinew]

most bullets under ~500mv require some degree of lead unless you are very close range. you will get used to it.

[normal radish]

sparks is actually kinda slow, a centy is medium but hella faster than sporks

[mild flower]

lol even spitzer can barely compare to modern velocities sometimes

[normal radish]

nah bro spitzer is a modern ammo on par with modern velocities

it smokeless powder

[wooden relic]

Both games have more modern firearms as well, firing at average velocity of 400 m/s.

[fleet adder]

True. I think even the fastest velocity in the game is like 7.62x39ish velocity lol

[normal radish]

anything above 800 sits well in the average modern day firearms

[normal radish]

well r6 is hitscan, tarkov is also varied like hunt

[wooden relic]

Yeah. I need to experience what it felt like hunting PMCs with 19th century weapons.

[wooden relic]

R6 isn't hitscan, but the bullets travel so fast you might as well call it that.

[lofty sinew]

helps to pick guns / ammo with similar mv to learn the leading aspect. but it comesd with time anyway

[mild flower]

it's not??

[normal radish]

i hate to break it to you, but they ARE hitscan

i sadly have play that game for over 10k hours

also no drop

[fleet adder]

Do we tell the new players about quartermaster?

[lofty sinew]

there is a lot to take on early on. is it relevant? expect close range weapons if you push unless you have knowledge that indicates you don't have to

[normal radish]

what abt it

[fleet adder]

Assume everyone has a shotgun of some kind

[lofty sinew]

i mean you don't need QM to bring a lemat C

[fleet adder]

Because they probably do

[lofty sinew]

or a drilling

just get out there and do some dieing

[normal radish]

in a game where hand cannons co exist with a double barrel rifle, this doesnt really matter anymore

[lofty sinew]

and in the early brackets don't take the playstyles and approaches to combat you witness as good or gospel i guess

[short halo]

Pretty sure most of Tarkov's stuff is closer to 800m/s

[normal radish]

a baby drilling is a full loadout on its own

[fleet adder]

I wiped a team in my last match tonight. Dude had an auto 5 and an auto 4 both with slugs

[fleet adder]

Definitely

[lofty sinew]

well, they win the dorkimus prime loadout award I guess

[wooden relic]

Oh yeah. I was looking at pistol calibers. Most rifle bullets are like 700 m/s to 880 m/s.

[fleet adder]

400m/s is like spicy 9mm

[lofty sinew]

yeah i don't think leading is much of a component to gameplay in tarkov unless you're doing long range sniping really

[mild flower]

how are you doing that fancy number thing

[fleet adder]

They kinda got bullied. I had the full setup for Wildland lol

[lofty sinew]

hah. well. if anyone deserves to get bullied by devil wildland levering that loadout does.

[fleet adder]

Have* I should say..that hunter still isn't dead

[hazy crest]

I mean drop can often be a factor if you’re using a bolt action in tarkov

[fleet adder]

I found dumdum right after I picked up the wildland too. It is so mean lol

[hazy crest]

But you’re fighting at longer ranges and with higher magnification optics than in hunt

[wooden relic]

They are code blocks.

[wooden relic]

Modern bullet ballistics will probably make this game a hit scan

[fleet adder]

Spitzer bolt.actions aren't far off from it in this game

[lofty sinew]

there are high velocity ammos that get close-ish to hitscan in the game. but not quite

[wooden relic]

Considering that Hunt maps are 1km * 1km, right?

[lofty sinew]

yeah. you won't be engaging in real combat outside of 200m though

[fleet adder]

Yea but long ammo bullets disappear at 500m

And that. There is so much cover and foliage in hunt

[mild flower]

cool

thanks

[high nacelle]

Honestly

I always find velocity past like

The new army

Kinda irrelevant in a lot of cases

[fleet adder]

That's all the guns 😭

[high nacelle]

I'm just not engaging people at ranges more than 30-40 meters most of the time

Yes lol

[lofty sinew]

well that would be why

those of us who enjoy iron sighting at ants often engage outside that range though

[high nacelle]

It's just strange for me to be in a situation where I have to take like a 500 m/s mv into account

[fleet adder]

I'd say I have several fights going out to like 100-150m in a session, especially on mammons

[high nacelle]

Huh

[lofty sinew]

if i have a rifle i'm taking those shots

[high nacelle]

Fair

I don't even see people at that range usually lol

Then again I'm just a 4-5* gamer

[dawn surge]

so when are Crytek adding a trait that turns the bow into the Bow from Monster Hunter

[lofty sinew]

hey, you're allowed to shoot at ants in any bracket :I

[high nacelle]

Honestly bow is about as good as it can be without being genuinely insane

Bow is very fucking good lol

[mild flower]

by "bracket" do you mean "oce" seeing as we have 1?

[lofty sinew]

no argument there

[fleet adder]

It's digusting in some hunters hands

[sinful aurora]

i am so used to shoot at sub 300 m/s because i play conversion FMJ all the time as my ranged option

[high nacelle]

Lol

[fleet adder]

Suppressed shotgun basically

[dawn surge]

Bow is pretty cracked

[lofty sinew]

well sure yeah. just sayin, everyone is fully licensed to take pot shots at silly ranges

[high nacelle]

I always consider steel ball basically a suppressed Romero

Especially with bolt thrower

[mild flower]

fr even if i have silenced 1865 fmj i'll oftentimes take the shot

[fleet adder]

It pretty much is

It's been used on me as a shotgun many times lol

[high nacelle]

Bomb lance/launcher is fairly versatile now

[lofty sinew]

i love getting the stupidly long ranged hitmarker with off the cuff guessed drop and position. nastradamus shootin'

[high nacelle]

Up until very recently I underestimated bomb lance/launcher frag charges but they're surprisingly good

[fleet adder]

I only use it when I'm being annoying and using conc arrow bow and wax frag bomb launcher

[high nacelle]

One of my first games 1000 hours ago

Was with somebody who ran dual bows all frag arrows lol

[mild flower]

and then they just regen it back and it means nothing but you hit the shot so its a victory anyway

[lofty sinew]

yeah idk about you but if i didn't count the micro-wins i would experience a lot less joy in hunt 😛

[celest shell]

Rate the loadout ✨

[high nacelle]

Regen back when it was busted fucked up my internal timing

[sinful aurora]

i learned the lesson to always take the shot, even if your chances are slim, attempt it often enough and you will hit xD

[high nacelle]

I'm normally very good at counting shots/tracking resources

But I never take into account Regen

[raven totem]

6M iirc

[fleet adder]

Cain spotted

[lofty sinew]

entirely undeserved feeling hits / particularly kills are among the best feelings in hunt. If a kill makes you go .." lol? " it is a win.

[sinful aurora]

yep!

[high nacelle]

...that's why I run dual sparks pistols sometimes

[sinful aurora]

like "how did i hit that?" XD

[mild flower]

chain pistol is built for ts

i love it

[sinful aurora]

:D

[high nacelle]

Ah yes, my pocket smg

[fleet adder]

That happened earlier today lol my teammate beetled and marked a bush and I just took a shot from like 80m with a marathon and just headshot the person in the bush lol

[sinful aurora]

i only take fanning with it when i loot it during the match, but i never spent points for it. xD it's too gambly for me

[lofty sinew]

i love shooting bushes

[fleet adder]

Fanning chain pistol with FMJ feels like a budget avtomat sometimes

[sinful aurora]

it's nice to shoot at targets you can't actually can see yeah

[lofty sinew]

it's like playing hide and seek but more fun if you win

[sinful aurora]

but i just love it's massive "magazine" for regular ads firing.

can put out so much pressure before reloading, and cancelling reload does not trigger the "revolver drum spin" animation.

[mild flower]

this is the correct way [unless you wanna do it in another way then that's correct too]

[wooden relic]

I got to say the economy of Hunt is quite easy to manage. "Good" kits are not that expensive compared to Tarkov.

Or it's just me start playing during event

[fleet adder]

If you don't prestige you'll eventually get to a point that price doesn't matter at all

[high nacelle]

Tarkov has a steeper cost of entry for non-rat kits

[mild flower]

this is exactly why i like it, barely ever bring fanning with it
it's really not the best part about it but people seem to think they always have to go together. people don't realize that 18[17?] rounds of quickly reload cancellable fmj or dumdum is strong by itself.

[sinful aurora]

yeah the game basically never forces you to play trash.

[fleet adder]

And if you extract often even when you prestige it's not uncommon to prestige with like 40-50k in the bank

There isn't much of an economy in hunt

[lofty sinew]

money only becomes a concern if you get an obscenely bad run of lobby fails. i still manage it now and then. but it doesn't typically last long

and it's mostly because i have expensive consumable and tool habits >.>

[fleet adder]

I was down to 5k earlier today from a horrific week of dying to shotguns every other fight lol

[high nacelle]

Back when weapons were locked behind progression I did an entire prestige with level 1 Romero/scottfield

Honestly the Winnie C is probably the most price effective gun in the game

Shit slaps

[fleet adder]

Nah man

[high nacelle]

Or whatever it's called now

[fleet adder]

Springfield

[high nacelle]

Also true

[fleet adder]

$38 monster

[fickle lotus]

would be cool if they added dismemberment for hunters

[high nacelle]

Wouldn't make sense with revival

[mild flower]

nah man

1865 carbine

[fickle lotus]

we can say magic makes the limbs regen

[mild flower]

actually probably bow or crossbow

[sinful aurora]

how they grow their limbs back after revive?

[lofty sinew]

i mean revive still makes no sense. it can just magically smoosh their body together again

[heavy finch]

yea when i finally gave springfield dumdum a go... i was like, i cant believe ive been running sparks and mosins all the time.

[fickle lotus]

absolutely

[fleet adder]

It's so nasty

If crytek ever hears my pleas and gives me FMJ for Springfield and a Springfield bayonet skin

Holy God I'm gonna go on a rampage in the bayou

[high nacelle]

Limiting custom ammo helps some weapons retain their identity, Springfield kinda deserves having dumdum

[lofty sinew]

why would you use fmj on springy when it has dum dum

[high nacelle]

But back when dumdum was on everything

[fleet adder]

Cause wall bangs are life

[high nacelle]

Springfield lost its niche

[lofty sinew]

which is borderline 1tap within it's range

[heavy finch]

yea but at that point with the price you might as well run sparks regular

[fleet adder]

And 132 damage at 40m is nasty

[lofty sinew]

bring fmj on the secondary imho

otherwise, vetterli

[fickle lotus]

i think the lever action shotgun could have atleast 1 more variation

[lofty sinew]

one that shoots gummy worms maybe

[fleet adder]

Might actually do more damage

[hazy crest]

I need terminus star shell so I can have a light show

[lofty sinew]

and by that i mean, what do you want.. a trauma variant of terminus or something?

[fickle lotus]

just get some fusees

[hazy crest]

fusees suck

[fleet adder]

5 burns for like $10?

[fickle lotus]

that could be something i was thinking like romero hatchet style with the long grip

[hazy crest]

Use all my toolbox loots

[high nacelle]

Fun fact: a discord I'm in has a $100 bounty for getting a star shell kill

[scenic plinth]

and it kills bees

[high nacelle]

Nobody has claimed it yet lol

[fickle lotus]

only good use for it

[lofty sinew]

if neenoh can get a full set of tarot card kills starshell should be acheivable no

[fleet adder]

Nobody running sparks pistol star she'll?

[high nacelle]

Still has proven difficult

[scenic plinth]

youd really have to bully that guy with starshell to kill him, 2 hellfires then 2 starshells to kill

[fickle lotus]

i barely even use sparks pistol

[hazy crest]

I mean you have to fully burn them out to get a star shell kill

[fleet adder]

I love it

[heavy finch]

whats star shelll

[fleet adder]

I run slate riposte and sparks pistol very often

[lofty sinew]

does starshell deal no non-status damage or something? I'll admit i don't think i've ever used it

[hazy crest]

no it’s only burn

Does no impact damage

[fleet adder]

If I'm in the mood to shotgun that is my go to if we ignore lemat c and drilling

[high nacelle]

Skate riposte is the CQB God

Thing is terrifying

[hazy crest]

You can sparks them and then starshell and they live

[high nacelle]

Yee

[fleet adder]

Oh

[mild flower]

starshell is pointless on any 1-ammo-type gun because of hand crossbow dragon bolts

[fleet adder]

Rip lol

[heavy finch]

What is star shell tho.

[hazy crest]

Flare gun ammo for shotguns

[fleet adder]

Basically flare pistol in a shotgun

[heavy finch]

so there is a 100 dollar bounty on that?

heck i got 8 fist kills last night. ill have that flare kill for you in less than an hour

[hazy crest]

you’d have to double hellfire someone and then hit them with two star shells quickly

[high nacelle]

Like an IRL bounty in a personal server

[heavy finch]

yea ill send you the clip you can pretend its you

[lofty sinew]

doable if a trio coordinated well i spose

[heavy finch]

which skins do you have katana

[high nacelle]

Loll

[fickle lotus]

flares are ONLY good for killing bees

[high nacelle]

Don't worry about it

[fleet adder]

That's a take lol

[fickle lotus]

well idk any other uses

[heavy finch]

ive been meming around in 2 star for the last 20 games. i just barely snuck into 3 again. im telling you. you can kill people down here with a breath of air.

[fleet adder]

Burning bodies

[lofty sinew]

i sometimes like to shoot a flare at someone peaking a close window just for the lols

[hazy crest]

That would only work if they don’t have salve skin as well

[high nacelle]

My funniest kill was back during the Billy story event I was getting frustrated getting a stalker beetle kill

So I used sparks and then punched somebody holding a stalker beetle

It counted

[heavy finch]

so which gun can i run starshell on guys?

[lofty sinew]

i recall it getting around that that was the easier way to get that quest step done at the time

[sinful aurora]

i used poison sparks and then beetled them while they were waiting for the poison to go.

[hazy crest]

I’ve got plenty of choke bomb kills

[high nacelle]

Famously sparks + flash bomb was deadly for a while

Flash bomb doing 1 damage

[fleet adder]

Flash bomb was sooooo annoying at one point

[hazy crest]

and I’ve full burned people with dragon’s breath which is always funny

[heavy finch]

which gun has starshell. just shotguns?

[mild flower]

burning bodies, instant detonating barrels, killing AI and dynamite tech

is this bait again

[fickle lotus]

also burning bodies

it can be good for killing those barbed armoreds

[mild flower]

barrel detonation and dynamite tech can be useful

killing ai is limited but can be convenient

[mild flower]

i find it best for hives and those

if u dont have a throwing tool or other silent ranged option

[fickle lotus]

why not just stab

[mild flower]

hives on rooftops

[hazy crest]

Only Romero and lemat I believe

[lofty sinew]

sometimes wasp lady on roof. pew burn

[fleet adder]

I always have throwing axe or spear so only ai I shoot with flare are hives in annoying places

[fickle lotus]

stealth for a reason

[wooden relic]

If I don't care much about skins, why should I go prestige

I mean I always use the free hunters

[fleet adder]

You shouldnt

[heavy finch]

aight bet. ill hunt this kill down in 1 or 2 hours max.

[mild flower]

slowing down just for a hive can be quite bad

[tired gate]

no point really

[lofty sinew]

no reason if it doesn't interest you. no reason to think about it at all until bloodline 100 anyway

[fleet adder]

Zero reason to prestige of you don't care about drip

[tired gate]

i went for prestige 15 due to the skins but im not prestiging now.

[lofty sinew]

i might stop at 69 i tell myself but we will see

[fleet adder]

Prestige 33 was so bad for me I still haven't prestiged again

[tired gate]

the reason i went to prestige was to keep it challenging, managing hunt dollars, starting from scratch was really nice tbf

[lofty sinew]

i mean thats why i do it. just a thing to do

hoarding all the guns and junk doesn't do anything for me

[fleet adder]

I've just been enjoying being able to finally use any loadout I want

Might start prestiging again at some point

[tired gate]

now that im not prestiging anymore my games feel hollow tbf, not much to do but hoard dollars, big rifles & getting kills

[lofty sinew]

yeah. i feel like having your traits and variants restricted now and then helps you get a feel for what ones you personally really like vs maybe don't really need and that sort of thing

[heavy finch]

run challenges

[lofty sinew]

but also it's specifically designed to be something there is no particularly compelling reason to do

[tired gate]

exactly & using cheap guns to not bash trough your starting cash made me respect cheap guns

[high nacelle]

I'm fine with prestige, I'm prestige 30 now, number going up

I don't feel like I'm too reliant on weapon variants

[lofty sinew]

some people like other number go up. sad when that number go down. so prestige never go up.

[fleet adder]

Derringer zero to hero runs fr fr

[high nacelle]

I even prestiged back during weapons being locked lol

[lofty sinew]

i miss having various 2 slot options sometimes depending. but it doesn't matter heaps

[fleet adder]

I only started prestiging when 1896 dropped

[normal radish]

brah where was it, i HAVE 3 STARSHELL KILLS

[lofty sinew]

i actually kinda feel like i still prefer that old system :I

[normal radish]

it was a team effort though

but i dealt the final shot

[high nacelle]

Bow being high level made prestige annoying lol

[mild flower]

money is bigger number than prestige so it more important

bigger number is better

[high nacelle]

I don't run expensive loadouts normally

[tired gate]

spoken like a trough visionary

true*

[wild leaf]

Trough

[fleet adder]

I run expensive consumables

[lofty sinew]

oh don't get me wrong some aspects were more annoying for sure. but i guess i'm fine with prestiging involving challenge / being annoying by it's nature

[high nacelle]

Yeah I'm also the type where

If a hunter dies I'll usually run a different load out

[tired gate]

i hate bow with a passion, its such a pick me weapon, way to good for what it is

[normal radish]

a profitable match, could have been more if the towers werent duds

[high nacelle]

So I don't rely on specific guns every time

[wild leaf]

100%

[tired gate]

give any idiot a bow and theyll manage to get kills

[lofty sinew]

wtf does discord reject my emote reacts sometimes. so weird.

[high nacelle]

Bow is borderline too good, I won't even deny that

[tired gate]

the price, the dmg

its insanity

needs a nerf

badly

[sinful aurora]

does it shake while rejecting it?

[lofty sinew]

yep

[sinful aurora]

that means the user blocked you.

[lofty sinew]

haha fair

[fleet adder]

Tf

[high nacelle]

I dislike levering lol

Fanning is fine but levering with a full sized Winfield is annoying

[fleet adder]

I don't even get mad at it cause atleast it wasn't a shotgun stuffed in my face I guess

[lofty sinew]

i havent really tried to use levering in a long time. i've been mown down by some levered winnies recently though. makes me feel like trying it again

[high nacelle]

Dying to rng feels bad lol

[normal radish]

fore some people dying to a stick with a pointy end hurts more

its so funny its deals more damage than a rocket

[high nacelle]

Valid

[fleet adder]

The devil card being in the game has made levering soooo nasty

[normal radish]

at least there is a downside to it now

and its big

[fleet adder]

Used it for the first time tonight pretty much since crack shot was in the game and mygod

Wildland puts in work

[tired gate]

laughs in chain pistol

[lofty sinew]

the downside is as big as bringing 2 recov shots

[fleet adder]

Levering 126 damage dumdum with hella tight spread is just evil lol

[high nacelle]

Wildland is sex

It's super good

[tired gate]

Solo que, maynard silencer & dumdum with devil card

yikes

[lofty sinew]

teamie went on a pretty gross run of mowing down full teams with levered devil wildland yesterday.

[tired gate]

shits crazy

wildland is strong af

even without levering

[fleet adder]

I still have the hunter and he hasn't died yet so still has devil lol

[lofty sinew]

it doesn't last past that lobby eh

[hazy crest]

Yeah devil is 1 match only

[lofty sinew]

you're gonna need another card

[fleet adder]

Sadge

Oh well. It was still disgusting even without devil

[lofty sinew]

it's still strong af. just devil puts it over the edge

[tired gate]

im a sucker for iron eye, that shee nice af

wildland x iron eye

[fleet adder]

Yea he's got iron eye too

[lofty sinew]

using any centennial variant without iron eye is irresponsible. imho

[high nacelle]

Scarce weapons let them be creative by making "op" weapons but keeping it balanced

I'm interested to see what else we'll get

[lofty sinew]

well. the balanced part is arguable i spose. unbalanced but at least it's scarce is a bit more accurate

[high nacelle]

Honestly

[tired gate]

with that velocity the only thing you should go for is heads, and for me i can work it without

[fleet adder]

I still say they should revert suppressor nerfs and add suppressed krag and suppressed maynard to scarce list. Idk what to do about the skin situation but gimme back suppressed.vetterli ):

[high nacelle]

My hot take

Avto/Nitro scarce

Makes them more fun than having to break the bank

[normal radish]

gatling gun, carry of course

[lofty sinew]

fine with that myself, though i don't see heaps of either anyway

[high nacelle]

Also

Scarce muzzle loader that 1 shots but has no irons lol

A muzzle loader would be neat

[fleet adder]

I had an avto vs wildland levering fight. The Wildland reigned supreme lol

[high nacelle]

Big flash of black powder

[whole furnace]

Wouldn't say it is balanced, just less toxic for the game overall bc it is limited.
But dying to a rare BS weapon is still dying to a BS weapon lol.

[astral moss]

Nobody will play them, like why take an avto or Nitro if you have a better weapon already.

[lofty sinew]

higher ROF makes hitting heads easier, and also the 2 taps. of course it works without. i just don't understand why you wouldn't bring a 3 point trait that supports it so directly

[high nacelle]

That's fair

Work time

[mortal cove]

The Wildlands is ngl stupid af with Iron Eye + Levering

Stupid in the best possible way

[fleet adder]

I'll be sad to see it go I'm ngl lol

[mortal cove]

The one medium ammo gun to make even Long ammo blush in excitement

[tired gate]

cuz of necro & resilience when im in a team and im a sucker for frontiersman & conduit when solo so there goes your 3 points

[lofty sinew]

i doubt either scarce gun is "leaving" I reckon we will just get an expanded scarce gun pool next event

[astral moss]

Its a centi with more damage, nothing insane beside the dum dum that you can buy.

[mortal cove]

I‘m sad to see it go just for the wicked af sound it makes when shooting

It‘s the Centennial sound on crack

[fickle lotus]

or an assault rifle

[lofty sinew]

the dum dum is scarce init

[hazy crest]

I hope they haven’t given up on adding non scarce guns. I really want a 2 slot martini

[mortal cove]

More damage, higher MV, the lowest spread of all Winfields, a quickloader for fast af reloads, the 2nd highest firerate of all Winfields.

It is the superior Winfield variant

[fleet adder]

I low-key hope they stick to the longer event with less downtime between events models. I am no longer interested in vanilla hunt

[lofty sinew]

yeah if i could buy the wildland i wouldn't use anything else tbh, unless i was bored

[mortal cove]

The latest events have honestly been a lot better

[astral moss]

Then its a fine weapon, i am more scared of the homestead that can kill really far if you hit the 2 bullet.

[fickle lotus]

i hope we get more assault rifles

[lofty sinew]

devil wildland with levering can kill just as quick at further range

[mortal cove]

Ngl, it feels like how the original Winfield used to feel in early early access Hunt lol

[astral moss]

Yeah but need devil + you lose 2 bar when you die.

[lofty sinew]

sure. i personally don't feel like homestead is anywhere near as scary as wildland

[fleet adder]

Tbh you don't really need devil

[mortal cove]

Only 1 if you have a certain burn trait

[fleet adder]

Wildland levering is still brutal without it

[astral moss]

Idk if the Devil card work for dual but it can be fun.

[lofty sinew]

you just have min 2 recovs on your team if you have a devil wildlander. it's really not that much of a problem

[mortal cove]

• devil is absolutely not required on the Wildland just because it already has a stupidly small spread of 17.5

17.5 spread on a rifle

Wicked

I have my fun with FMJ on the Wildland

[lofty sinew]

i would always run FMJ on it, but i run FMJ on everything mostly.

[mortal cove]

FMJ + Iron Eye + Levering on the Wildland is crazy

[hazy crest]

I run fmj on compacts because there pretty much no downside

[lofty sinew]

and i know it's gross with dum dum but.. no pen is just yuck. i no like

[mortal cove]

I am very selective what I put FMJ on

but Wildlands is absolutely crazy with FMJ or High Velo ammo

[fleet adder]

Only reason I'm using dumdum on it is because I found dumdum at the first wagon after I got the wildland this time lol but yea FMJ is the way

[dawn surge]

centennial dumdum was so annoying for a longass time

i can't imagine that if it wasn't scarce on the wildland

[mortal cove]

Not much worse than Dum Dum on the base Cenni really

[lofty sinew]

high velo i just wouldn't use I don't think. it's already fast enough for me

[dawn surge]

true its only 3 more damage

[mortal cove]

700m/s is pretty stupid on a medium ammo rifle

[fleet adder]

I never use high velo

[mortal cove]

Headshot machine

Practical hitscan territory

[lofty sinew]

yeah but like.. i can just bring an officer carbine with HV if i want that sort of gameplay

[hazy crest]

High velo and spitzer are gross I haven’t used them in months

[quasi marsh]

how much dmg the fist does?

[lofty sinew]

I want FMJ for grossly far 1 taps if 1 bar down

[normal radish]

same damage as a medkit

[mortal cove]

Officer Carbine ain‘t got nearly that amount of MV though

Neither does it have the range

[lofty sinew]

yeah i know. cennie HV then, fine. close enough

just too much value in retaining that over 125 imho

[mortal cove]

But personally the Wildland is one of the few rifles where I actively stick to FMJ

130m range at >500m/s is still insanely good

And it adds further pen power and damage retention over range

• no max ammo capacity penalty

[lofty sinew]

the only thing it doesn't have is having a trauma or bayonet attachment really

[mortal cove]

True

But who needs that when you can use bow and arrow as your secondary

[lofty sinew]

there are a lot of options there. it doesn't need any more features obviously

[dawn zinc]

The spear is very buggy atm

[heavy finch]

@high nacelle aight i got the star shell kill. took me 5 games.

[dawn zinc]

Kinda annoying

[tall canopy]

how exactly?

[heavy finch]

the hitbox right?

[dawn zinc]

Not it clips out of bounds all the time

Like constantly

[tribal wagon]

im gaming hunt right now, WHy can i not buy explo crossbows anymore

[mortal cove]

They have become scarce ammo

[tribal wagon]

What the actual fuck

[mortal cove]

Same for frag arrows for the hunting bow

[tribal wagon]

They really find everything fun in this game and make it scarce

[dawn zinc]

Id rather play against explosive crossbow players than a team of sweaty meta players

[tribal wagon]

They arent a problem anyways, you got 2 perks that nerf those ammo types by a lot

[tall canopy]

frag arrows dont get that much nerfed by a trait besides bloodless

[shadow fulcrum]

1865 carabine good weapon i mean 145 DMG is not Bad. No cool Special ammo

[tall canopy]

fmj

[dense girder]

It's quite fun yeah

Only downside is MV really

[fickle lotus]

springfield better

[shadow fulcrum]

Thougt Springfield is The worst one

[dense girder]

What

Springfield is amazing

[mild flower]

it's amazing if you bring it with hive bombs. hit them once and they get down to 5hp, hive bomb can easily finish. or the other way around, hive bomb takes that 5hp and pressures them so you finish while they panic

[shadow fulcrum]

I Played Some Games with Springfield with Standard ammo i did Like 0 DMG

[dawn surge]

Springfield is a good gun

[mild flower]

probably hit limb shots

[dawn surge]

its great with fast fingers, its even scarier with dumdum

[mild flower]

springfield is typically used with dumdum ammo to get its max potential btw

[dawn zinc]

2k hours and I've literally never fought a boss in the other building at reynard mill, I had no idea it could even be in there lol

[dawn surge]

135 something damage with medium bleed?

i'd be scared shitless

[shadow fulcrum]

Maybe with a scope

I should try IT

[dawn surge]

springfield marksman is good but like the base one is just fine

[mild flower]

i personally dont really like springfield scope, it's best in compound fights anyway

[shadow fulcrum]

Double dumdum?

Or 1 regular ammo

[mild flower]

id recommend splitting dumdum/regular unless you have an fmj secondary

[fickle lotus]

yeah thats what i used it with

[heavy finch]

@high nacelle i dm'ed you the link to the starshell kill.

[fickle lotus]

++++++++++++++++++++++++

my + key fell of

[shadow fulcrum]

I have secondary with fmj

[honest moss]

hey someone was racist to me how can i report him ( please and thx )

[mild flower]

!report

[graceful hedge]

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[honest moss]

thx you

[mild flower]

np, we are sorry that happened to you

[polar ridge]

Way too scarce in my opinion. Sure, weapons can spawn with special ammo now and that's cool (but it makes the whole scarce ammy thingy less purposeful...) but I am yet to see a single crossbow (big or small) spawn in the world, let alone with special ammo on it.

[fleet adder]

I believe it's intense.bleed.within 30m

[honest moss]

its all good one more q how about this discourd server

[polar ridge]

So basically if you want to play explosive bolts you need to load in with a crossbow (which is OK, it's a cool weapon with steel bolts)... and then run around the map like a headless chicken instead of rushing for the boss. Go up every big hunting tower, visit every supply point, they EVENTUALLY you will find one instance of explosive bolts - which you lose it you die.

[mild flower]

as in it happened on this discord? you can probably message @lilac swan about that

[polar ridge]

Or, dunno, get 3 pledge marks and get Wildlands with dum dum pre-loaded.

Honestly, this is pretty absurd.

[mild flower]

@honest moss

[polar ridge]

I've played 20+ matches with a crossbow, spent some time looking for explosive ammo after I killed everyone or made sure everyone is dead or left.

Zero luck so far.

And looking for scarce ammo after the match is basically over is, in my humble opinion, a stupid mechanic.

Why? Because I basically pay with my time (and lots of it) to play an ammo type I like. Short-term effect? I don't play explobolts. Long-term effect after I've run out of my small stock of explobolts? Dunno, but it will surely be annoying as fuck.

[lofty sinew]

maybe just use the other ammo types which are still strong/ good

[tall canopy]

found explo bolts one time since the update, but no more. kinda sad

[polar ridge]

I do, steel bolts are fun. Shot bolt - not so much.

What I mean is that explobolts are way TOO scarce the way it is, the chance you will have a crossbow and happen to stumble over the right ammo crate AND survive to keep them are really slim.

[tall canopy]

explo changes the playtyle of the weapon

[lofty sinew]

aren't they essentially the same as any other scarce ammo type

[tall canopy]

and its still just one slot u filled

[polar ridge]

Yup, I absolutely adored half steel / half explo.

[lofty sinew]

I mean yes I know. indirect damage. I guess i don't really understand being that attached to that

[polar ridge]

One slot would be OK if it were easier to find such ammo.

[tall canopy]

yeah im more mad about that change since i loved to play explo xbow 😄

and now its copmpletly gone

no way im gonna play normal xbow with the other bolts only to search for xplo

[lofty sinew]

i just did a full prestige using xbow and never used explo once

i think shotbolt is strong enough

[tall canopy]

i rarely ever played any other ammo type but xplo 😄

[iron pilot]

Bababooie

[lofty sinew]

i mean it was presumably either scarce, or nerfed into irrelevancy right. that's how it seems to go

[tall canopy]

i´d rather take a dmg nerf on the explo bolts than making them scarce

i dont need them to oneshot a 150hp enemy on body hits

i dont need them to deal nearly 125 dmg

[lofty sinew]

I have a feeling not all the explo xbow lovers would agree on that point

[mild flower]

Why not decrease the ammo capacity

[tall canopy]

with me its 50%

[mild flower]

Makes it less spammy and annoying

[scenic plinth]

it really should do 150 if i hit chest with that thing falling towards the enemy

[fickle lotus]

i feel like the avtomat is not balanced enough

[mild flower]

In what way

Too strong too weak too gimmicky

[lofty sinew]

I mean they don't ever really fully explain the logic behind these kinds of balancing choices anyway. It was just "community maybe isn't completely in love with it and maybe some people at crytek want to experiment with seeing it scarce also"

[fickle lotus]

jamming maybe

[mild flower]

NO

[tall canopy]

weapon jamming is not balancing

[lofty sinew]

jamming is just killing a weapon

[fickle lotus]

nuh uh

[scenic plinth]

rng like that bad

[lofty sinew]

noone will ever use it again

[tall canopy]

the fact that it wasnt in the patch notes right away 😭
also i saw way more ppl complain about frag arrows than xplo bolts

[fickle lotus]

slower reload

[tall canopy]

no mag reload for the avto, why not

[mild flower]

Sure ok I don't think it's that overpowered in the first place tho

[lofty sinew]

yeah same. i could see the arguement for frag arrows (but figured a simple fragment amount nerf or maximum amount carried nerf or whatever would be fine)

[dawn surge]

Frag arrows were cringe but the explosive bolts could be annoying

[fickle lotus]

sure an automatic rifle is not overpowered totally

[outer iron]

IDK who was out here taking repeated Ls to xbow explosive to demand it be removed. It isn't that strong. Its niche.

[mild flower]

Thanks for agreeing :)

[dawn surge]

its more of a glorified shotgun

[tall canopy]

i dont see a reason why a frag arrow should do above 125 dmg plus bleed

[dawn surge]

autistic as an insult damn

[mild flower]

https://tenor.com/view/whoa-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-hey-now-hold-up-gif-25069049

[fickle lotus]

it was not an insult...

[scenic plinth]

if every pellet had the same bailistics as a full power mosin nagant

[lofty sinew]

Mo is hot takes king

[fickle lotus]

again not an insult

im autistic myself

[mild flower]

Ok just looked like you meant to offend lol

[tall canopy]

still no free pass to call others autisitc

[mild flower]

You were correct, but in that specific scenario I was being sarcastic and I understand not understanding it LMAO
Autism loop

[dawn surge]

except me

i'm autistic

[lofty sinew]

there were multiple ways they could be toned down. idk. i do suspect neither nerf nor scarce was going to result in noone complaining about it though. unsure why they don't seem to want to go the nerf route so often lately. scarce is latest nerf canon i guess

[scenic plinth]

just a touch of the 'tism

[tall canopy]

yeah i dont like it that way either. also current patch gave them the perfect opportunity to readd flah bombs to the update loot pool and they still did not do it 😭

[lofty sinew]

I don't particularly miss flash bombs admittedly

[dawn surge]

i don't miss them either

anyone remember the old old flash bombs

the ones that didn't make a priming sound and blinded you for 8 seconds

[lofty sinew]

with basically no wind up. yeah. they featured in hunt clips juuuuuust a little too often.

[scenic plinth]

6 seconds, and they were amazing, blame rachta z for spilling the beans and then everyone used them

[lofty sinew]

i'll happily thank him tbh, that version was not a cool good time.

[dawn surge]

not even kidding

it was 8 seconds

[fickle lotus]

great.

[scenic plinth]

amazing torture device really

[mild flower]

Me being autistic causing me to use sarcasm in an unreadable way and you misinterpreting it and thinking I'm serious then me misinterpreting you calling me autistic because you said it in a way that confused people because I am is quite the autiscenario
Tism confusion loop

[lofty sinew]

if only there was some way to avoid that confusion i guess

[fickle lotus]

what makes it worse is that i have adhd too

[sinful aurora]

lets move on

[mild flower]

Ok silly

[scenic plinth]

RIP

[dawn surge]

oh crytek.

[lofty sinew]

[mild flower]

Anyway back to avtomat

[lofty sinew]

my dude. catch a clue

[strong moon]

the avtomat and the nitro should be scarce weapons, I think they would have been if that mechanic was around since the start

[mild flower]

Dancing with death fr

[dawn surge]

i'm not against that

[scenic plinth]

duality of man, no one use when 6, but when its 4 its 'OP'

[dawn surge]

fuck the nitro

[tall canopy]

if they do something like that, they need to add a way to still use the skins and a good way to find scarce weapons on the map

[lofty sinew]

thankfully i really just don't run into the nitro much

[mild flower]

I can see that, nitro might need a little buff to account for it though maybe remove the ads spread

[lofty sinew]

the last time i ran into a nitro they got aimpunched by bornheim and didn't get to fire a shot

user error probably. but still

[scenic plinth]

if he had just hipfired he woulda got ya

[lofty sinew]

idk what they were doing tbh, i had already peaked the corner. they shoulda blown my lower torso off

[mild flower]

Aimpunch is a beautiful mechanic

[strong moon]

yes, also the nitro probably doesn't need to be as much of a pain to use. i think the "super supply point" could be a permanent mechanic with a rotating theme between carnival, hideout, army camp, field hospital, etc. And it always has a scarce weapon box inside.

like your map loads with a random boss set and a random super supply point

[lofty sinew]

i just don't think the nitro fills a niche the game needs. "gun that can 1 tap you from a hojillion miles away" why do we need that.

[scenic plinth]

nitro avto are fine being purchasable, crytek themselves say its a sort of player made scarcity, for most people finding one on a corpse is a prize enough, like killing the villain in an old western film

[tall canopy]

or just a chance to find them in boxes at supplies and armories

[lofty sinew]

eh i dislike the nitro so much i don't even pick it up

if i could sell it i might

[strong moon]

they're /okay/ but I think the design calls for the use of the scarce weapon system

also contraband status clutters my inventory and i'm tryihng to play frugally for money and it annoys me

[dawn surge]

cough i think nitro is always gonna be problematic when you have devils card to bypass the use of the sights and can just hipfire it splutter

fuckin crackshot

[lofty sinew]

i mean i've seen the recent vids of devil nitro use. And just.. nothing about it appeals to me at all. I will never play it

[mild flower]

Devil comes at a pretty hefty downside though
Two, actually
And it's scarce

[tall canopy]

i remember when they announced the black market without any details and many ppl including me thought we can sell contraband weapons to other players or something 💀

[dawn surge]

you have bigger problems than losing an extra health bar if you're somehow losing engagements with a Nitro

[raven rune]

i like the nitro because its just such a sexy gun. that's all

[dawn surge]

with the devils card

[lofty sinew]

if it was even just like.. one contraband weapon a day it'd be kinda nice :I

[strong moon]

hah hah I remember that. what a lackluster thing the black market turned out to be.

[scenic plinth]

if there ever was a player market basically all guns would sell for less than ingame cost lol

[raven rune]

eh i loved the black market we had. I've got soo many skins for cheap because of it

[strong moon]

honestly i'd rather just not be able to resell weapons at all and lose the contraband tag entirely to keep the inventory nice and clean

[dawn surge]

also ngl losing 2 bars isn't that scary when losing 1 bar leaves you to getting 1-shot by every long ammo gun anyway, not to mention recovery shots, relentless, remedy, restoration kits

[mild flower]

Eh there's a pretty specific range you have to stay at to keep your ohk, while still being far enough that shotguns don't ohk you

[dawn surge]

i could see an argument with losing an extra bar being scary if the game didn't already have so many sources of keeping your bars/getting them abck

[lofty sinew]

yeah devil downside isn't that bad if you're in a trio. just have 2 recov shots on the team

[dawn surge]

recovery shot was a mistake

[lofty sinew]

i don't think i agree

[raven rune]

pretty much never seen anyone bring a recovery shot

[mild flower]

There is the issue that after going down once, you are stuck with a devil less nitro that you may or may not know how to use

[tall canopy]

still many do. nearly all i play with

[lofty sinew]

recov shot is in my consumables in 100% of lobbies

[astral moss]

Yeah but with 100 hp you can survive a leg/arm shot, but with 50hp you die by anything.

[dawn surge]

2 small bars

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you don't lose 100 health you lose 2 bars

so just make it 2 small bars

[astral moss]

No, you have 100 hp.

[dawn surge]

then why did u say 50hp

[mild flower]

[dawn surge]

you said 50hp implying you lose 100hp

[astral moss]

Cause with 1 bars you got 50hp.

[dawn surge]

so make it 2 small bars

[astral moss]

I am lost.

[dawn surge]

gonna paint

1 sec.

[lofty sinew]

losing two small bars puts you on 100hp

[mild flower]

By running bbss or bssss bar loadouts you only lose 50 max hp when getting downed with devil because it takes two lots of 25, resulting in 100 max hp left.

[dense sleet]

You lose 2 bars when gonna die with devil. Whether thats a small small -50, a big small 75, big big -100, or a small big -75

[astral moss]

Yes

[lofty sinew]

so devil puts you on 100hp

[dense sleet]

Idk whats the conversation here

[dawn surge]

that the downside of the devils card is negligible

[dense sleet]

My man pulled a PirateSoftware

[astral moss]

idk i thought he was saying that having 100hp is the same than having 100.

[lofty sinew]

something something scarce something recov shots something, scarce

[dense sleet]

If i bring devil, I bring 2 recovery easily

[dawn surge]

i'm saying the downside of the devils card isn't rly scary when you can just go 2 small bars and lose 50 HP

and when u have recovery shots and so many sources of restoration

[dense sleet]

One tap to all rifles now tho which sucks

[mild flower]

This is the downside of the devil. It takes up 3 consumable slots lol

[dawn surge]

lol

that is true but i mean, nitro shredder

[dense sleet]

It should have a pretty major downside, its a pretty solid buff to some weapons

[astral moss]

I don't like having 2 small bar firts cause you take any fire damage you are down a bar very fast.

[lofty sinew]

i like being able to stay in lobbies and i think bar restoration is generally OK so long as it comes with a sacrifice. in this case, either having a pledge mark and going to lair, or having a recov shot(s) instead of the other consumables you could have instead.

[dense sleet]

You adjust your bars if you play devil, you HAVE to have 2 smalls for the least amount of hp lost

[dawn surge]

i mean u should be going small bars at the end anyway

u go down, u get up ur at 125 HP

[lofty sinew]

I tried big bar up front and I do not like it

[dawn surge]

everything except long ammo (as per fucking usual) can't reliably 1-shot you if at ranged

[dense sleet]

I go 50/25/50/25 if I start burning i dont instantly lose another 25 quickly

[astral moss]

Usually i play 3 big bar.

[dense sleet]

Gives my team a big of breathing room to choke

[dawn surge]

3 big bar is good if you're smoke

[dense sleet]

Dont you play solo Drag

[dawn surge]

smoke?

solo

yeah if ur solo only 3 bar is optimal

[astral moss]

No i play in trio, but random are useless so its the same.

[dense sleet]

Then just play solo lmao

I dont understand this sentiment

[lofty sinew]

rando bait play

[astral moss]

I can't, i need people to make noise for me.

[lofty sinew]

IE what I just said 😛

[dense sleet]

i dont have a team and I hate randoms
play solo
i won't have a team to bait for me

[astral moss]

Yes.

[dense sleet]

Thats insane

[lofty sinew]

he means they are generally unreliable, he doesn't actually mean useless

because they have a use. bait.

[dense sleet]

Maybe he is the unreliable one in their eyes for always baiting

[iron pilot]

My balls are unreliable

[dense sleet]

I canr stand teammates like that, ngl I just leave the match if I notice my teammates are doing that shit

[lofty sinew]

well sure maybe, idk. or care very much tbh, it doesn't affect me in any way

[astral moss]

exactly !!!

Finally someone that understand the logic.

[dawn zinc]

The worst randoms are the ones that think they are awesome solo players but are actually dog shit

they think they can win trio fights solo and die instantly

[dense sleet]

And the cycle of "random teammates bad" will forever continue

[dawn zinc]

then cry about it

[astral moss]

Its either i die firts and quit or wipe out the team in front without dying, there is no in between.

[polar ridge]

Technically, yes. But I would rage hard if they made those scarce because I paid for skins for those and I want to be able to use things I paid for whenever I want. So in practice? Nah. Would only work for weapons with no skins. Looking at you Maynard Sniper Silencer.

[lofty sinew]

i mean people moaning about rando team mates was always going to continue forever, for a variety of reasons

[dense sleet]

That gun isnt worthy of being scarced lmao

The Maynard silencers i mean

Its really not that good lol

[strong moon]

yes it 's probably too late since they have skins

[iron pilot]

Nitro is just an expensive shotgun

[astral moss]

After his nerf yeah, before it was debatable.

[dense sleet]

People just hate dying to a silencers 80m out

Which btw, you still woulda died if it was nonsuppressed

[astral moss]

Can you list those reasons ?

[iron pilot]

Literally any other weapon does the job just as good if not better bc of the dumbass aperture

[strong moon]

alternatively, instead of "pure" scarcity, scarce weapons can still be bought in a lobby but iwth a currency you can only find in raid, like a scarce weapon token, and so they coudl sell shredder, wildland, homestead skins...

[dense sleet]

I would argue outside of events sure, but that IS the event in hunt now

Which is fine honestly

[lofty sinew]

their expectations are not the same as their rando team mates, in terms of tactical decision making or approach, and it is uncommon for rando team mates to communicate about this well, or often, at all

[dense sleet]

Vanilla hunt is pretty boring

[polar ridge]

Just played a match, visited two towers and four supply points. There was one EXPLOSIVE box but not the one with frag arrows / bolts. I've seen those a couple of times and there should totally be bolts and arrows in there.

[dense sleet]

So many times I had to leave a match early bc I exhausted all my bars and recovs and HAD to bail

[astral moss]

All of this is true. 👍

[lofty sinew]

i mean devil hipfire makes it a mildly gross mid range doinker doesn't it

[strong moon]

I think I'd like to see them do an "event stuff round up" patch that puts stuff in permanent, adapts event specific items to general gameplay. like the wormseed shot. it's just an orange vitality shot. it could do something

[dense sleet]

Its a monster with it