hunt-general

[whole furnace]

#hunt-general message
I will refere to this:

[worn oak]

Coffee time. ☕
Have a great weekend y'all.

[whole furnace]

I have work all weekend

[wintry ferry]

Shotties can camp lair while you fight another team yk, so you win a fight then it becomes a stalemate against lair team

[whole furnace]

I mean if you read what I wrote you would see that then the case is to just move away a little

[wintry ferry]

You move out of scan range people don't magically assume you disappear

Have you seen asia lobbies

[whole furnace]

yet it makes people move most of the time.

I cannot speak for asia

[rapid crystal]

whatever you do they just gonna sit til timer starts ticking. otherwise it's a game of patience

[whole furnace]

only EU

[woven cape]

Omg heblo Bigowo it's been so long !!

[whole furnace]

Hey frendo :)

[wintry ferry]

I literally go out of scan range and tried waiting to see if they ever try to bolt to extract

[woven cape]

Omg henlo Sandman ! It's been so long !

[whole furnace]

Again, not in my experience

Give bounty people space and they'll move

[woven cape]

Hangman tarot card looks cool

[wintry ferry]

Huh? I been here and you just don't notice 🙁

[woven cape]

I'm just never here

[lofty sinew]

Some will. Some won't. Some seem to feel like they invested a lot of effort in trapping up every entrance and this is actually their home now.

[rapid crystal]

not all people got enough patience to sit for 40 minutes and do nothing lol

[lofty sinew]

the problem seems to me to be that enough people do that it's noticable :I

[wintry ferry]

I remember checking once and just sitting near extract to deny and watch what lair team does after like 10+ minutes of scanning nothing

[whole furnace]

Did I say it would take 40min?
No the contary, people will usually move within a reasonable timeframe

[wintry ferry]

And they still do not leave

[whole furnace]

Also if you don't have shotguns and arrive late to the boss lair, just don't enter the 150m scan range at all for their initial scan.

[wintry ferry]

So now they stalemate with someone else instead

[rapid crystal]

yes, that is my point! it's the matter of how long they willing to sit

[wintry ferry]

Lol

[lofty sinew]

oh yeah if it's one of those lair teams and you're not the only other team in play good luck

[rapid crystal]

and some do sit for a looong time

[lofty sinew]

i've run across nearly the entire map to hideout and back just for something to do.. still in there

[whole furnace]

Which I said, not in my experience.
And if they do, go next

Then it ain't worse than that

[wintry ferry]

"I don't see it in my servers therefore it doesn't happen"

[lofty sinew]

my team is getting better at just saying fuckit and leaving the lobby. It's just a bit sad that that seems to be the right choice sometimes imo

[wintry ferry]

My trio just fights everyone else then extracts if lair team isn't willing to interact

[ivory cave]

Been waitin' fer a longer barrel Rival.
The doomslayer in me achin' to try the new scarce gun out

[rapid crystal]

that is true but does not solve the core issue after all

[whole furnace]

That is not what I'm saying.
But I am saying that in MY experience that doing these things usually gives good results.
If it doesn't on your servers or MMR bracket, that is fair, but 99% of the time when I hear people complain about stalemates it is often just in their heads.

So all I can do is give the advice that works in my play environment and hope it also works for others.

[wintry ferry]

Usually at least there is SOMEONE on the map willing to fight so I take that fight instead

And just go next if lair team is sitting on their ass after all the gunfire

[rapid crystal]

@whole furnace interesting enough but there are bunch of not so obvious ways to approach this type of situations

as example you can use dark satchel as breaching charge

[lofty sinew]

I genuinely hate the feeling of getting so bored you push into a trapped up lair just to die to.. exactly that. Like you're single handedly justifying that asshat playstyle

going next is better even if it's still not great

and then!! the other thing that happens regularly

[whole furnace]

Oh yeah I do 100% agree that Crytek have enabled a lot of bad campplay in lairs by buffing traps and whatnot.
That said don't think the solution was to make CQC "woops all shotguns" and kill 1-slots.

[lofty sinew]

if you're not watching the map like a hawk for moving lightning bolts, you don't pay attention for what feels like 30 seconds and suddenly they're half way to extract and you can't catch

[whole furnace]

I mean that is a skillset

Like using a minimap in a moba or other shooters

[lofty sinew]

it is a skillset i lack almost entirely. I am incredibly easily distracted. If I am not currently being shot at, and sometimes even if I am, my mind is elsewhere

[wintry ferry]

Lightning also has that weird randomness where it doesn't come out for like 20 seconds lmao

[rapid crystal]

traps are fine but amount of shotguns available in your second slot is just obnoxious

[lofty sinew]

yeah it feels like it updates incredibly slowly sometimes

[whole furnace]

Traps got better with the beartrap nerfs for sure.
And yeah, I pray for a 2-slot shotgun nerf (actually just 2-slots nerf in general, but that is a whole other can of worms)

[vale copper]

i play in them everygame

[rapid crystal]

true. you try to balance that and suddenly you create more problems than there currently are

[vale copper]

except when i play with my eu friend

then its naw

naw players are very incosistent in my experience

half of them are very good

[lofty sinew]

i feel like part of the logic behind the 2 slot buff is wanting teams to be more able to cover CQC and rifle range play so they theoreticallly don't get stuck in the rifle vs shotgun stalemate situation

[vale copper]

the other half i feel like picked up the game yesterday but are like 5 star

[whole furnace]

Sure, but also now it is just all shotguns

Which honestly just made so many other options bad

Melee, Henry, winnies and so on

[rapid crystal]

i think cost increase of quartermaster could help

[whole furnace]

That is my least favorite solution, the issue are the shotguns, not bomblauncher or dualies

So would hate to punish those

[vale copper]

dual dolchs 😢

[lofty sinew]

yeah but it can be a 3 slot shotty with an obrez and maybe that team decides to risk playing with the rifle team rather than sitting in lair forever right

I'm not completely convinced forcing people to choose either / or with shotgun / rifle makes things better

[whole furnace]

2-slot rifles still comes with a more apparent downside such as sway, recoil and damage loss which more majorily affect long range plans.
But as I said, do think those could be nerfed a little too (or rather reverse some of the buffs they got)

[rapid crystal]

on my book the main issue is that you can have both long range and close range option. + shorten shotguns are straight up better than long ones in cqc. increase the price of quartermaster and suddenlyyou have to actuallywin the game to take rifle and a shotgun

but not the best solution either since shorten mosin and specter/crown and king exist

[full jungle]

So what make it 11 trait points??

[rapid crystal]

7 or 8 like fanning / levering

[whole furnace]

Sure, but that would just create another bad dynamic of "this person brought a 2nd game hunter in and won" scenarios.

[full jungle]

Levering doesn’t deserve 7

[rapid crystal]

then see how it will impact the gameplay

[whole furnace]

Think at least all three should be stream lined to the same like 7 trait points.

But even that... well... QM is still the better choice

[rapid crystal]

the benefit of winning the game?

[vale copper]

I just got one shot by a slug at 7 meters

Nerf shotguns now

[whole furnace]

Sure, but I rarely think it is good game design to let out of match factors influence in match ones.
Would be like making a really expensive 10k gun that could 1-tap hunters to the legs at 100m.
While it was a result of people "winning the game" A LOT of times, it still would suck to die to.

[vale copper]

Extracting should not give you that much benefit in your next game

[rapid crystal]

you can still get quartermaster if it cost 7-8 points but it will deny traits like necro or iron eye. + you have the alternatives like 2 shorten weapons. so i wouldn't say it turnes tides in favor of those who win consistently

[vale copper]

Each extraction should be based on skill and merit and not because you happened to win a game before it

[rapid crystal]

• keep in mind that if you win once you can afford alot of traits that give you huge advantage over fresh hunter

so i see no issues here

[whole furnace]

I agree very much, still doesn't solve the issue that if you need to choose between QM, Levering or Fanning, QM is still the best.

[lofty sinew]

i think levering and fanning have almost entirely fallen out of use due to the whole 2 slot domination thing. why risk rng when you can shotgun instead

[vale copper]

Yeah but nkw I can levering my 2 slot pistols

😈

Wait

[whole furnace]

Hence why I wanna hit 2-slot shotguns over QM itself

[vale copper]

I mean fanning

Sorry

[vale copper]

All shotguns but the drilling right 😢

[whole furnace]

2-slot Drilling would be affected too

[vale copper]

Not my goat

Drilling hatchet

[rapid crystal]

the core issue are shorten shontguns, not a quatermaster itself. increasing the cost will make it more of an alternative than a straight go to

[vale copper]

😭

[lofty sinew]

levering and fanning also take a trait slot and use a lot of points, not having to bother with either is a bonus

[wintry ferry]

Obrez Drum will be the norm for ppl that want good shotties with a rifle

Obrez drum cray cray

25 long ammo 🤢

[lofty sinew]

yeah it probably shouldn't exist really

[whole furnace]

Which was what I said from the start :V

[rapid crystal]

we just suddenly got into territory of comparing levering fanning and quatermaster

[visual quail]

avto obrez drum 😋

[whole furnace]

Well, that are the three alternatives to diversify your long range loadout with CQC options :)

[rapid crystal]

true. and i believe each has its place. and probably if quartermaster will cost a bit more we will see less 2 slot shotguns and more pistols and lever rifles

since there is a certain benefit for each option

[whole furnace]

Honestly don't think so, people would just not bring salveskin or another 1-2 trait to afford QM.

Especially with the amount of Trait points a win rewards.
Easily go Doctor, Surefoot, Witness & QM.

[rapid crystal]

from this perspective it won't even hurt anyone. it's small change but feels like most reasonable unlike re balancing half of the game to nerf shorten shotguns

but i guess it's not for us to decide anyways

[whole furnace]

I mean... just shave 1-2m of 2-slot shotguns and see how that changes the meta

Like it ain't hard

We had fine, albiet little undercooked 2-slot shotguns for 7 years

And they had 2-4m less reach than the current ones.

[woven cape]

Omg big owo ! It's been 20 minutes!!

[whole furnace]

Since?

[mild flower]

this makes medium + medium loadouts even more useless, dont you think the problem is qm

[whole furnace]

I mean I had a solution for that too, but people disliked that lol
But two 2-slots, while could be cool to have their own niche, just ain't relevant

[rapid crystal]

medium + medium are in a sweet spot right now

[whole furnace]

And I would argue that current state doesn't make two 2-slot slots more viable

[mild flower]

so i dont see the idea in nerfing medium weapons directly

[hazy crest]

Just use bow: the better shotgun

[mild flower]

rather the thing that makes them a problem should be changed

[woven cape]

Since I spoke to you!

[whole furnace]

OR make a trait that improve your weapons as long you have two 2-slots

Like for 3 points

So you have to commit

[whole furnace]

OMG REAL!

[hazy crest]

I think aside from the Romero and auto 2 slot shotguns are in a fine place qm is just too easy of a pick

[rapid crystal]

it would be a literal equivalent of increasing cost of quatermaster lol

[whole furnace]

No? Because it would still mean that running quatermaster would be less of an attractive choice and have bit more trade-off.

[mild flower]

qm as a scarce trait 🙏

[whole furnace]

Choice of: 3-slot + 2-slot that is weaker than current vs. two 2-slots that is the current strenght, but the downside of being two 2-slots.

[whole furnace]

Rip bomblauncher and dualies

[rotund loom]

auto shotgun is "in a fine place"? lol

[mild flower]

wdym, that's two 2 slots, no qm needed

[rotund loom]

if you think being objectively the best cq weapon is a fine place

[rapid crystal]

there is a better solution - devs need to make more 2 slot alternatives to shotguns/rifles

like chu ko nu

but more functional

similar to hand crossbow

[mild flower]

like hunting bow?

[rapid crystal]

a more like hand crossbow as i mentioned

[mild flower]

but thats not medium slot

[rapid crystal]

less oneshot potential and more utility options

[whole furnace]

How is that a solution, that would still mean that melee and 1-slots are practically dead.

[rapid crystal]

it's an example

[whole furnace]

Which is the core issue of 2-slot atm

[mild flower]

it's the core issue of quartermaster. 2-slots have the downside of only being pairable with a one slot or another two slot, but quartermaster gives them no limitation and makes them completely outclass 1 slots

[rapid crystal]

2 slot shotguns are an issue. if there are more options you are willing to take then there are less chances that you will choose shotgun

simple math

[whole furnace]

I mean we have 2-slots for 7 years that also kept 1-slot relevant.
Then 2-slot got hyper buffed.

[whole furnace]

Okay, but to be a good option to take, it have to compete with the match up, which is shotguns.
So it have to 1-tap like shotguns

Hence more options is just more 1-tappers

[mild flower]

imo quartermaster has always been a problematic trait.. as long as you have it, your creativity is extremely limited as long as you don't want to actively throw your chances of winning.

in practice, it's a trait that actively limits your options. if you have it, 3 slot - 2 slot is your only viable choice.

[rapid crystal]

want to see less 2 slots then increase cost for quartermaster, if you want lesst 2 slot shotguns then give people alternatives. it's just that simple

[whole furnace]

Dunno, QM wasn't meta before the 2.0
Running an Uppercut or another pistols was completely viable.

[mild flower]

not meta doesn't mean healthy

[whole furnace]

We had QM for 7 years without any issues.
So why can we just not return to that?

And is it really an alternative if it still "CQC 1-tapper"

[rapid crystal]

why complain about decreased 1 slot pick rates in that case

[rotund loom]

because auto-4 is in the game now

[whole furnace]

It was healthy in a way where there were options to bring QM for bows and dualies.

• it was a more considered choice or preference to bring it in.
  Rn QM is just a liniar "strictly better" path.

[rotund loom]

for a year, isn't it

[pearl rock]

yo

[rapid crystal]

think utility over damage. like choke/fire/poison bolts on hand crossbow

[whole furnace]

Because the strenght of 2-slots is what makes 1-slots weaker?

[whole furnace]

We already have that with the handcrossbow and that is not really seeing much play.

[rapid crystal]

geez.... it's an EXAMPLE dammit

a reference point

[whole furnace]

And end of the day, solution is still "lets fight the 1-tapper issue, but adding more 1-tappers"

[vale copper]

Hand crossbow trash

Exceptttt

If you run poison

[pearl rock]

fire is good on it

[vale copper]

And just play it like a poison minefield

[vale copper]

Does it leave lingering fire?

[pearl rock]

yeah i think so

[whole furnace]

I run Hand Xbow with poison/fire when I run winnie.
Or rather, I used to do, but it MUCH less viable with the amount of shotguns.

[rapid crystal]

wow... you sound like average mosin/dolch player

[vale copper]

?

What correlation does that even have

It’s an objectively not good secondary

[whole furnace]

I mean, handcrossbow is not that great. Wouldn't blame someone for calling it trash.

Tho I do think it have its place in certain loadouts, just that those loadouts are less viable when everything is WOOPS ALL SHOTGUNS!

[rapid crystal]

probably people don't know how to use it i suppose

[vale copper]

I use it

I like it too

But its still not good

😭

[rapid crystal]

choke bolts are border line op

[whole furnace]

No, it simply just ain't good with the current meta that demands reliable 1-tappers.

[pearl rock]

very fun loudout

[rapid crystal]

why fear shotgun if they can't shoot even next to you

[brazen vapor]

I shoot chokes at shotty users when I have a melee on me 🤣

[brazen vapor]

Exactly 😭

[rapid crystal]

ahhh a man of culture i see

[brazen vapor]

Gotta give a shotty user the most stressful last 10 seconds they’ll have in that match 🤣🤣

[rapid crystal]

rifle users just curl up and cry in corners

[pearl rock]

how do i see what mmr i currently are

[brazen vapor]

So real

[vale copper]

After the game when you’re in the lobby press g

And look for yo ur name

You’ll see how much mmr you are at

[pearl rock]

bruh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048310539153063987/1413343826856382614/ezgif-4f1fa084c00774.gif

[vale copper]

Sometimes your actual Star count doesn’t match your match mmr

Which is displayed above it

[pearl rock]

i think im three star atp

[rapid crystal]

do me a favor - take choke bolts and whatever gun you feel comfortable with and just spam those bad boys. if that won't convince you that pocket crossbow is good ill apologize

[pearl rock]

my kd went up .3

im now a 1.0

ah

[vale copper]

Bros a 1.0

Good job

[rapid crystal]

mmr doesn't make any logical sense right now. i meet 5-6 stars who play like 1 stars and 3 stars who play like 6 stars

and it happens all the time

[pearl rock]

i dont think i belong in 2 star. im consistanly getting 4 k in 6 mmr lobbies

[rapid crystal]

i sit around 4-5 stars usually and play vs 3 stars as solo and they shoot like each one have an aimbot

[pearl rock]

nae servers are dead as SHIT wow

[icy elbow]

i mean it is 3:24 on the east coast

25

[pearl rock]

so? we still be up

maybe its just me

[icy elbow]

most are not

[jagged parcel]

Who even invented time

[pearl rock]

fr

[jagged parcel]

What a weirdo, am I right?

[pearl rock]

let me do shit on my own time

[jagged parcel]

Sure! What that guy said!

[frigid kestrel]

Question for the vets

Am i still able to prestiege and get the skins

[pearl rock]

as soon as i get a game my game crashes

i love my pc

[twilit rivet]

So the health restoration medkit only appears in bounty clash during events, is it?

[frigid kestrel]

Some of these look like cool ass gunslingers and id love to have em

[jagged parcel]

I don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to.

Unless they changed it while I was away. And I don’t THINK they did

[rapid crystal]

F u you made me cry i want old t2 and t3 hunters back

[frigid kestrel]

so no?

;-;

[twilit rivet]

I see. No wonder ppl have become more campier after the event.

[frigid kestrel]

Bro i want some of em with the bandanas

Like legit

[pearl rock]

i want the tree guy

[frigid kestrel]

They are so coolll

[pearl rock]

he looks cool

[icy elbow]

most of these skins aren’t in the game anymore and aren’t related to prestige

[frigid kestrel]

Jesse buchenne is still available

[jagged parcel]

You can DEFINITELY still get some of them, I’m pretty sure.

[frigid kestrel]

Its all i ever use

[frigid kestrel]

Awwwwhhhhhhhh

[pearl rock]

i use the prodigal daughter

[frigid kestrel]

IM CRYING

[pearl rock]

blends in with night maps really well

[frigid kestrel]

Jesse is free

[icy elbow]

You can get some by prestiging

[frigid kestrel]

Real easzy too

[icy elbow]

and also by leveling up rookie hunters

[pearl rock]

and kill buyer, he is a silly toilet guy

[jagged parcel]

Blegh
Camo skins

[rapid crystal]

problem is - most of current ones look like shit or generally worse

[jagged parcel]

I use devils advocate. So I’m not much better.

But like

[pearl rock]

the navy just blends in

[frigid kestrel]

Jesse buchenne tier 3 forever

[uneven flume]

Man I hope we get some of them for the progression system witg 2.5

[vale copper]

What star are you?

Also there’s alot of ways to rank up in this game and only a select few of them require you to be mechanically skilled

[frigid kestrel]

Legit whyd they remove them?

[uneven flume]

Its been a while. Dennis promised to add old content in a dev livestream q&a fod JotF so theres hope

[vale copper]

Bruh

[uneven flume]

Idk man I am salty that they removed them

[vale copper]

Nice wifi

[jagged parcel]

Why, Fi?

[pearl rock]

dont think ive ever seen him

[rapid crystal]

to give em "more personality" or some similar bullshit

[jagged parcel]

He’s a Christmas skin. Comes back every year.

[pearl rock]

ah

[frigid kestrel]

The people who had em still able to use em?

Oh.

[pearl rock]

this is who i use

[jagged parcel]

:)

[frigid kestrel]

I realized i killed a lot of tier 3 hunters.

[uneven flume]

Yes thats the crazy part, models are there

[pearl rock]

or him

[frigid kestrel]

Like buy and use?

[icy elbow]

they’re instanced based, you don’t own those skins

[pearl rock]

i like it

[frigid kestrel]

Obviously.

[icy elbow]

Pre 2.0

[jagged parcel]

Nah. They were random ones, if I remember correctly

[frigid kestrel]

Like thats not what im asking

[uneven flume]

If you got some pre 2.0 you still have them in ur roster yes

[jagged parcel]

No, you can’t still get them.

[icy elbow]

I’m saying that you don’t “have them”

[rapid crystal]

yes. unless you prestige

[icy elbow]

They weren’t unlocks

Oh I see

My apologies

[jagged parcel]

If you have them, you still have them recruited, but once they’re dead they’re dead.

[true swift]

Jesse Buchanan tier 1 so peak, i'm mad his t2 and t3 are so ass they should've leaned into a union soldier more

[jagged parcel]

I like that one, but DA just has so much style lol

[frigid kestrel]

Rip

[frigid kestrel]

RIP…

So many killed

I kinda feel bad

[rapid crystal]

can't get new ones but old recrutes remain

[true swift]

Oh we sharing our favorite hunters?

[frigid kestrel]

If i see one ill just like say “hey a T3 hunter

[icy elbow]

concubine

[pearl rock]

i only have like 20 hunters so its slim pickins

[icy elbow]

Cardinal rain

[true swift]

Shade Drifter and Worm Bite are the only ones i play lol

[rapid crystal]

perchta

[uneven flume]

Watch the Q&A from the Judgement dev livestream at around 1:19:00. Dennis answered questions regarding possible return. So there is still hope

[rapid crystal]

the outfit is just too cozy

[true swift]

I think they'll add more rookies soon enough with 3 versions for each

[uneven flume]

Shade are so underrated. Them, Hex Breaker or Scorge all the way

[pearl rock]

https://tenor.com/view/jameis-winston-jameis-lanaed-winston-tampa-bay-buccaneers-national-football-league-footballer-gif-15478743

[uneven flume]

They better do, no ones were added for 2.3 and 2.4

[pearl rock]

just died to a long ass snipe with a winfield

[twilit rivet]

Amazing issues in the game since day 1: cross platform voice chat doesnt work, so psn players wont hear what xbox players say and vice versa. When tf are they gonna fix such trivial issues.

[true swift]

I made a shade drifter cosplay along with a nitro, finishing up the headwrap in time for comic con in november

[frigid kestrel]

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

GOD YEA

[twilit rivet]

But never mind, throw new skins and an event and everyone will cheer at this buggy product

[icy elbow]

why remove explosive ammo

[uneven flume]

Nice, will u post it here?

[uneven flume]

Dont ever start with specter reload bug or poison hand crossbow lol

[twilit rivet]

Yeah that is completely related to voice chat not working, or a block player option not present.

[true swift]

Once its done it'll go up on reddit and discord yeah. I already posted the nitro in the fanart channel a few weeks ago

[uneven flume]

Nice looking forward! Have fun assembling

[icy elbow]

what I’m just asking about your name

[twilit rivet]

Or the insane amount of player disconnection issues

[true swift]

Thanks! Heres the nitro btw #fanart message

[twilit rivet]

Or the bug where if you open the map when target is being banished, lord help your game.

Funny when post malone said the most annoying way to lose a hunter is disconnection issues and they just brushed it under a rug 💀

[uneven flume]

Looking good!

[rapid crystal]

is it brown paper wrapped around it?

[true swift]

Leather

[rapid crystal]

oh lol it looks like paper from that angle

[true swift]

Yeah the lighting is kinda ass

[rapid crystal]

makes the look a bit goofy

[true swift]

Its also not worn like it is ingame but thats just a thing that comes with time

Or when i get down to buying proper worn leather, that stuff isn't cheap

[rapid crystal]

i think there are techniques to age leather

[silver saddle]

possibly the most ridiculous crash lmfao

2.0 drop probably the only time I genuinely feared for this games future

[silver saddle]

yeah but they take time and skill, thats why aged leather is expensive :P

[true swift]

Aging leather isn't particularely difficult but with how little i have i thought it looked fine

[rapid crystal]

sadly i don't have any actual knowledge related to the topic so can't rlly say anything

[jagged parcel]

Sooooooooo..
When do I get to listen to more of the new song?

[silver saddle]

me neither, I'm just assuming shit ngl 🤣

[rapid crystal]

gun looks dope but lighting is killing it

i cant un see the brown paper

[true swift]

Thanks! Once i get the full cosplay done i'll get a proper shoot going with a friend

[rapid crystal]

will be interesting to see

[true swift]

I think on the closeups it looks better because you can see the material closer but the lack of color grading because it isnt worn is what kills it

[rapid crystal]

maybe try applying some dirt and abbrasive materials and rub a little? if that's not gonna ruin the thing obviously

[urban steppe]

Got killed at 18m by a bow
explain why a 2 slot weapon that's silent has a longer 1 tap range than slugs

[granite blade]

first game on both monitors went black right as i found a match and my pc went unresponsive so i had to restart entirely... cool

[urban steppe]

just had a partner dc mid match last game

yeah

[true swift]

Ye i'm gonna try some stuff out once i got some extra time, i wanna finish the headwrap first as thats the last piece for the costume itself

[granite blade]

i even tried to restart video drivers through keybind, nothing was working except manual power button .-.

[rapid crystal]

how tf is that happening each time i use bow it doesn't want to kill anyone outside of 10 meters

[granite blade]

my 2 randoms dc'd from the match and the bounty team killed the rest of lobby and left me rotjaw

[twilit rivet]

Whats worse than the bugs is the boomers supporting it

[urban steppe]

you aren't hitting the upper or lower torso

bow can 1 tap up to 27m

upper torso

[rapid crystal]

upper and thats why im mad

[granite blade]

now imma update my gpu driver and hope that doesnt happen again

[urban steppe]

you most likely hit an arm

not possible to not 1 tap at <20m with a bow

if you are hitting the upper torso

[granite blade]

unless its not a full draw

[urban steppe]

why aren't you full drawing

🤔

[icy elbow]

panic shooting

[granite blade]

pre-mature releasing

[urban steppe]

the time to full draw is absurdly short

[rapid crystal]

i thought so as well till i hit a stationary guy and he casually walked behind the corner afterwards as if nothing happened

[true swift]

The bow is pretty nuts

[urban steppe]

but like
it doesn't take ages to full draw

[urban steppe]

its powerkept slop the devs refuse to balance

[icy elbow]

it doesn’t

[urban steppe]

further 1 tap than slugs btw

[true swift]

I've been 1 tapped by slugs from pretty far away often i dont think they differ that much, i dont think either deserve to be as strong as they are tbh

[rapid crystal]

i absolutely don't like bow in hunt... probably due to my bad experience with it

[urban steppe]

it does by a far margin

like I said
slugs can't 1 tap past 20m let alone 25m

while the bow can

[true swift]

They can on hs, pennies can too

[urban steppe]

as with any weapon

so what's the point

[true swift]

I've been 1 tapped by a slug at 30 meters

On a chest

[slender timber]

pennies do not have infinite headshot onetap range

[icy elbow]

No penny is killing at 20m

no hs

[urban steppe]

this is cap

[true swift]

Nope

[urban steppe]

slugs do not 1 tap to 30m

pics or it didn't happen

[rapid crystal]

sounds like a nitro slug

[slender timber]

100% u were not full hp

[urban steppe]

my thoughts exactly

[slender timber]

not even the old op slugs had 30m onetap

[urban steppe]

has to be
the furthest 1 tap range on a slug is what 15m on the romero

give or take

[hazy crest]

Bow one tap chest is like 40 meters. I think Romero slugs is 14 or 15

[urban steppe]

yeah with hundred hands its further than 27
without its 27

which is absurd

when you realize it outclasses any shotty for 1 tapping

Why crytek thought this was a good idea is beyond me

[rapid crystal]

you probably got hit simultaneously by 2 damage sources

[hazy crest]

I always assume you have hundred hands if you’re using bow

[true swift]

Probably

[hazy crest]

Why wouldn’t t you it’s 2 points

[urban steppe]

ong

I wonder what's crytek's rationale for not gutting the bow

it already outperforms all shotguns for 1 tapping

2 slot and silent btw

[hazy crest]

They balance at a 3 star level

And 3 stars are shit at the game

[urban steppe]

ong

the bow is way too strong for a 2 slotter

[hazy crest]

just sit in a corner with it full drawn in lair. One tap to any body part up to 7 meters

and they’ll bleed out almost instantly up to 10 or so

[urban steppe]

^

[vale copper]

Make bow 3 slot

Then it’ll be balanced

[urban steppe]

they drew the line dum dum silenced maynard but kept the bow 😆

[vale copper]

😭

[urban steppe]

had to fight reptillian bush wookie with a bow last match

top notch stuff

[hazy crest]

Make qm harder to acquire and it will help balance bow

Should be either scarce or 9-10 points imo

Everyone just instapicks qm

[urban steppe]

it won't

people would just go sawn off mosin and bow 😆

mobrez mace + bow
all damage types covered

mace head for immo
bow ammo for everything else

it isn't even a qmaster issue
moreover the fact they thought it was a good idea to have a silent 1 tap up to 40 some meters with hundred hands

[mild flower]

slugs are niche, buckshot is usually better at the moment

[urban steppe]

slugs have been gutted to the point where they barely outperform buck

it isn't niche
its moreover the fact stronger options exist for much less space and price

(bow)

[mild flower]

i dont think it should outperform buck, just be a sidegrade

[hazy crest]

I don’t why they gave slugs random deviation. The mv and bullet drop are so garbage it ain’t like anyone is sniping with them

[mild flower]

which it is rn

[urban steppe]

it should for the sheer fact you have to ads
making fast peeking significantly harder

[hazy crest]

exactly

[urban steppe]

you can easily jumpshot with the buckshot
much harder when you have to ads and account for not hitting a limb

it isn't like the bow where you can full draw and hipfire

LOL

[hazy crest]

Having to ads is such a major downside that most people overlook

[urban steppe]

mind you
bow hipfire is much more accurate than slug hipfiring

with the added bonus of a further 1 tap and bleed pressure

so what's the point in running slugs? none

[rapid crystal]

and its exactly why deviation was added. high mmr players used it like regular rifle alternative

[mild flower]

yeah, random deviation was a pointless change. just took away from their identity.

[urban steppe]

so what, using slugs as a bullet is worse than a cyclone in the current meta

any dmr type weapons outclasses it in that role

lets be fr, if you were trying to snipe with slugs
you were losing to any rifle user

who knows how to aim

[rapid crystal]

imagine that your cyclone can onetap people at 10 meters

[mild flower]

it was because they were adding infinite headshot range i believe. they didnt want slugs headshotting from such long distances, which i dont get, cause any other type of bullet would do that 100x better anyway

i may be wrong tho

[urban steppe]

my thoughts exactly

[rapid crystal]

actually yes! now i remember that it was exactly the case

the infinite headshot range was the key reason

[urban steppe]

non issue
especially now when you can compete for 1 taps with a throwing spear

at 10m

[mild flower]

if that's the downside, it doesn't really outperform it then

it's still a sidegrade

[urban steppe]

now read what I said about the fact better options exist now

so this "sidegrade" nonsense doesn't work anymore imo

[mild flower]

my discord disconnected and crashed before i could finish what i was saying. sorry for that, that was out of context lol

[rapid crystal]

you don't need to switch weapons,sit in ads and hold an angle to do same thing with shotgun + you have more tries than 1 or 2 if you miss

[mild flower]

by "outperform" do you mean "have a longer ohk range"?

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/energy-kyle-monster-drink-soda-gif-14275608

[urban steppe]

1. you don't need to hold angles with the bow
   you just charge and hipfire in ads

bow hipfire is accurate enough to consistantly land shots within shotgun range without ads

2. nocking a 2nd arrow is faster than reloading a romero (shotgun with the furthest slug 1 tap range)

if you are needing multiple shots because you are missing with the bow within 10-15m

I don't know what else to tell you other than to get good with the sights or hipfire

near impossible to miss shots with thw bow at that range
even with hipfire

[rapid crystal]

why bow if you talked spear

[mild flower]

wait romero is shotgun with furthest slug one tap? did they finally change that "long barrel-short barrel slug ohk range" thing that made cnk broken?

[urban steppe]

The bow without hundred hands can 1 tap up to 27m on the torso

slugs up to 15m on the romero

its clear one is better than the other

[urban steppe]

oh you are referring to the spear now?

should have specified

[mild flower]

that message was regarding buckshot and slugs, not bow and slugs

[rapid crystal]

you replied with a spear argument

[urban steppe]

Again
read what I said
there's 0 point in running slugs when the bow exists

you mightaswell go full buck

[urban steppe]

Right

now look up how fast it is to throw a spear
non issue

you don't need to hold corners with it at all

[mild flower]

some people can't handle the slowdown from bow draw

say "skill issue" if you want, but it's still a reason

[urban steppe]

it is quite literally faster to switch to and throw a spear

than switch to using slug ammo on a romero

so what's your point again

if you want to bring up "switch time"

[urban steppe]

that's entirely a user issue imo

the slowdown ont he bow draw is not that detrimental once you get used to it

[mild flower]

yes, it is. user issue = issue. not non-issue

[urban steppe]

because its a non issue....
Considering guys are still able to perform well with it in 5 and 6

[rapid crystal]

point was that deviation was added to make high mmr players stop using shotguns as sniper rifles when ohk at any range was introduced

[mild flower]

you just said it was a user issue???

[raven totem]

because people would cry in here with screenshots of slug kills at 40m from them getting quick swapped.

[mild flower]

now it's a non issue?

[urban steppe]

I see, we are resorting to semantics because you don't want to admit it's a user issue

If you are bad at using the bow, just say it

[mild flower]

the "the top level of players can perform fine with it and it's a skill issue if you can't so therefore it's the best option for every player" argument is a classic fallacious argument

[urban steppe]

the slowdown hasn't stopped it from crushing guys at the 6 star level

[mild flower]

there it is

Not everybody is a top tier player.

[urban steppe]

so what, you've proven my point that you just wanted to bait out an argument?

[raven totem]

a bow can be a disadvantage vs anything close to meta cqc

[mild flower]

it's fine for there to be options for the worse players

[urban steppe]

it was quite obvious you were already arguing in bad faith

Thanks for masking off bud

If it wasn't the insistant chasing of semantics that was a dead giveaway

please, grow up

[mild flower]

😭

im sorryy

[raven totem]

wait is the arguement to buff bow? if so that would be silly

[urban steppe]

no, the argument is that the bow is too strong

[mild flower]

nah i think theyre saying bow is too strong

[urban steppe]

its a silent 2 slotter that out performs any slug shotgun ingame

[mild flower]

and that slugs are useless because of that

[raven totem]

na I shit on bows a vast majority of the time

[urban steppe]

if you get them in the open sure

if you are fighting some chump abusing reptillian with it

🥶

[raven totem]

you really shouldn't jump to conclusions, it's not a good look

[hazy crest]

most people don’t know how to use the bow as well. When you fight someone that knows what they’re doing it’s clear something needs to change

[rapid crystal]

you can say that about any weapon

[urban steppe]

I don't need to jump to conclusions
the evidence is already out there about the bow outperforming any shotgun

[raven totem]

even against good bow players you can ALWAYS bait

[urban steppe]

for the 1 tap role

[raven totem]

except slowdown and arms, you know, some important pieces of information there

[mild flower]

what's the evidence, out of curiosity?

[raven totem]

and being ground bound

[urban steppe]

damage stats

[urban steppe]

yeah and that applies to slugs to

so what's your point

[mild flower]

bigger number = better?

[raven totem]

not the same, slugs have limb pen, arrows and bolts don't

[urban steppe]

Drastically further 1 tap range
Bleed on hit,

[urban steppe]

Yeah and its still reduced ain't it

[raven totem]

no

[rapid crystal]

hol'd up! they actually do?

[mild flower]

if it didn't have those it would be terrible because of other drawbacks

[raven totem]

yes

[rapid crystal]

damn

[raven totem]

if you clip an arm, you where not center mass

[rapid crystal]

need to test it

[mild flower]

yeah, limb pen is a really good point.

[urban steppe]

except for the fact limb pen only occurs if you are what 90 degrees from the guy

if you are not parallel to him, you are not benefiting from limb pen.

[raven totem]

I'm an aggressive cqc oriented 6 star with 4k hours, talking in here for years, this nuances are my thing

[mild flower]

you are ignoring user error again. not all players are as perfect as you

[urban steppe]

Not really
the fact its silent already puts it ahead of any shotty

[rapid crystal]

you won't believe how often i failed to kill someone with throwing knife due to 90 degree angle

[raven totem]

center mass is center mass

[urban steppe]

yeah but how often are you catching guys at a parallel outside of holding a corner

[hazy crest]

Nah limb pen is pretty important. Arms hold the gun in front of a hunter get in the way sometimes even if you’re facing them

[ancient cave]

weapons only have benefits when the enemy uses them when I use them they suck and are bullshit

[raven totem]

and then you're just talking shotguns worth a damn with slugs, which is basically cnk. the rest are buck typically

[mild flower]

finally someone said it

[urban steppe]

yeah
slugs have been relegated to meme tier on any other shotgun

there's absolutely 0 reason to run them at all in the post buckshot buff era

[rapid crystal]

why are you even mad about it

just curuious

[raven totem]

it's not about parallet, it's about animations and how hunters hold thier weapons. crossbow can get screwed by this is well but with no slow down it can be more active and accuratly go for shoulder level reducing arms catching its loss of one tap. proper peaks against bow will negate the one tap.

if you wish to demonstate bows true strength honestly, it's not just it's one tap range, but uasage of frag arrows as well

[grave rose]

Chukonu animation it's pretty horrible like it's really really really bad

[raven totem]

it's fun

[pearl rock]

i just slammed 2 redbulls

[urban steppe]

Nonissue for crossbows when shotbolt ammo exists

[pearl rock]

am i cooked

[rapid crystal]

it's fun in right conditions

[grave rose]

Meant animation

[mild flower]

go play a match of hunt and report back to us

[hazy crest]

Wait 15 minutes and you’re gonna be tweaking

[raven totem]

legit talk I've put down shotbolt for steel, it's just so much more of a consistent value

[pearl rock]

ive done 4 before

that was emo gti era

[rapid crystal]

oh, im sorry

[grave rose]

Not really unless you have a heart condition

[rapid crystal]

read smthn else

[urban steppe]

yeah
but shotbolt is the one ammo type outside of explosive that gets around the limb issue

[grave rose]

Meant animation sorry just got clocked on without caffeine sorry

[hazy crest]

Dude one red bull and I get jitters

[mild flower]

and both are LOUDD

[hazy crest]

That said I don’t drink caffeine much

[rapid crystal]

but what is wrong with it

[urban steppe]

I don't think that matters at all
if you kill someone with a silenced weapon, their scream will give away the fact they died to one

[pearl rock]

i drink a pot or two of coffe a day

every few days ill have a redbull

[raven totem]

pretty sure explosive to one tap has to be upperchest as well, I don't recall arms. I don't ggo for directs unless tyhey're looking at me with explosive, I just tag with aoe then qs them to death.

[pearl rock]

i have a mini fridge full of redbull

[hazy crest]

fair nuff

[mild flower]

you just used silence as an argument for bow's strength. pick a side

[grave rose]

You shoot before you u pull down

You need to pull down to shoot

[urban steppe]

I don't know either because the bolt is so heavy
99% of my explosive kills are from splash

[hazy crest]

It depends heavily on distance. Explosive damage is calculated really weirdly

[raven totem]

they changged bullets but explosive bow feels the same

[urban steppe]

This is just false interpretation at its finest.

You can't equate shooting a silenced weapon and getting a kill
to shooting a shotgun and having everyone know which direction it came from

to be the same

[rapid crystal]

true, but i think it's for the gameplay convenience. i dislike bow animation more

[grave rose]

Get rid of explosives for bow and give em fire arrows

[pearl rock]

i feel zoinked 😭 gotta love that caffeine straight to the brain off of an empty stomach

[grave rose]

I mean yes but the chukonu just hurt watching so bad

[urban steppe]

You get a kill with a shotbolt, players know there is a crossbow user somewhere in a radius due to the death scream

you get a kill with a shotgun
players know where you are roughly due to the noise you make from shooting and possibly repositioning

these two are not the same remotely

[rapid crystal]

bee bottle arrows

[hazy crest]

If you want to talk about weird animations the Spencer carbine with iron eye shoots while the barrel is pointed like 30 degrees to the side

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-5537635

Crytek hire me I'll make you billions

[rapid crystal]

it just confuses my mind so i try to ignore it

[grave rose]

I tried I just can't

[mild flower]

imagine bee bottle arrows for chu ko nu

[pearl rock]

gun arrows (shoots gun that you can shoot again)

[rapid crystal]

i dont care how but gimme that shit for a hour!

[mild flower]

can we get bee bottle ammo for the avtomat

[hazy crest]

I think they should add that for the lance

[grave rose]

Surprised we haven't gotten the bald bow guy collab bow skin yet we got racha and the bee one no clue who that is

[raven totem]

I mean if we're talking sound all of these silently hold an angle but one.

[grave rose]

Don't get me wrong I like the racha one

[urban steppe]

Don't empower the bow mains
the weapon is alr strong enough

[rapid crystal]

an arrow with a gun that flies up to your enemy and shoots cartoonstyle hammer that bonks your enemy and the the whole thing just flies back to you

[twilit rivet]

Imagine c&k, spectre and terminus removed from the game?

Or their cycle time nerfed

[grave rose]

I just want a new bow skin 👉 👈

[rapid crystal]

but why

[twilit rivet]

For c&k, one tap spam potential

[raven totem]

because they think those are the reason they lose.

[twilit rivet]

Need say more?

Why ppl run them then?

Why not run something else

Why most ppl stick to meta?

[urban steppe]

Yeah but how often are you hearing the bow twitching noise

most environmental sound effects are loud enough to cover it
ie burning wood

the only time you'd hear the bow straining is what
in the middle of the woods or an empty part of the compound

[raven totem]

like mosin upper?

[mild flower]

Because it's the most effective tactic available

[rapid crystal]

dont remember last time i saw specter

[granite blade]

if you think specter is meta, you are chalked

[raven totem]

often, it's very distinct

[grave rose]

Cause folk wanna use meta loadout

[urban steppe]

the specter is meta if you use flechettes

you are chawlked if you think otherwise

[grave rose]

it's not

[urban steppe]

I don't know about that

from my experience at least
most the fire burning ingame is fairly loud

[raven totem]

I do, makes knowing when to jiggle peak easy

[urban steppe]

It is

[urban steppe]

[rapid crystal]

flechettes are actually super fun with decoy fuses

[grave rose]

na

[mild flower]

https://tenor.com/gPvqmbx05NO.gif

[twilit rivet]

Because they win more. The guy said because ppl think they lose more without them. Just pointing out the hypocrisy

[urban steppe]

it is, its got the tighest spread out of any shotgun ingame
= highest chance of landing 2 needles to proc bleed

[raven totem]

get good and play mosin

[grave rose]

If you hear a shotgun try and play long if they got slugs rip

[grave rose]

Post buddy old pal old friend
Trust nuh uh

[tawny ginkgo]

10/10 applies to lemat shotgun for me

[urban steppe]

Spectre flechette + sparks pistol
or buddies running long ammo

[twilit rivet]

Yup, c&k slugs on a 6star all micd up buddy team

[urban steppe]

trust the method

[twilit rivet]

And the game matches you with 3 stars

[grave rose]

Well stay outside

[urban steppe]

like I said, its the fact it's the most consistant hitting shotgun at range when paired with flechettes which makes it good

since you can effectively what
just hose guys down with the flechettes

[twilit rivet]

And lets not forget all of those 6stars play extremely campy as well.

[rapid crystal]

let's be honest - meta does not exist and beetle with sticky nade kills everyone equally

[urban steppe]

leaving them in the 1 tap zone from bleed alone + adding pressure

[grave rose]

That's why I play slate it sounds nice and it's good with buck

[pearl rock]

im doomscrolling while i feel like i have the energy of two suns

[urban steppe]

no reason to play slate when the specter exists imo
it damn near shoots just as fast with better ammo options

specter flechette + poison sparks

[grave rose]

Okay but listen

[urban steppe]

absolutely lethal chud combo

[grave rose]

The slate is like a classic car

[rapid crystal]

i love slate with slugs

it feels nice to use

[grave rose]

2 Red bulls is not that much kiddo

[twilit rivet]

Dont ppl always run the slate riposte with slugs

[urban steppe]

this

2 redbulls is about as strong as 2 cups of coffee believe it or not

[twilit rivet]

Ive almost seen everyone that runs slate run the riposte version

[urban steppe]

you only feel more energized because of its sugar content

[granite blade]

i would respond with a yucko the clown quote but i dont think the mods would like that too much

[urban steppe]

mind you, the sugar makes you crash much faster

[grave rose]

Zero sugar until I die

[urban steppe]

ong, sugar is counter-intuitive in any energy drink since it makes you have that crash

you literally go into negative energy

[raven totem]

I dislike repostes personally due to needing to gun butt imos.

[twilit rivet]

Oh you dont need those in clash mostly

[grave rose]

Honestly I feel sluggish if it's a sugary 9ne

[urban steppe]

this

riposte = you need a brawler or mace 2ndary
or run knuckles over throwing spear as a tool

[grave rose]

Slate Halloween skin🙏

[urban steppe]

you get way more value out of keeping thr throwing spear/axe/knives and using a stock slate to rifle butt smash immos

[raven totem]

or penny ringer, but I can't have chokes, flairgun and penny ringer all at the same time

[urban steppe]

yeah

[twilit rivet]

Id much rather face a team thats really good and play aggressive than go against a worse team that just camps. But its more of the latter im seeing.

[raven totem]

I honestly don't play clash

[grave rose]

I mean if you have someone running flare you'll be fine glide

[twilit rivet]

Vanilla Bounty hunt ive no complaints tbh. Win a lot more, easier opponents

Its clash thats kinda filled with rats atm.

[urban steppe]

I like vanilla bounty hunt more because the lobby isn't 100% frag arrow spam

[grave rose]

Vanilla everyone extract no fun I would know

[tawny ginkgo]

can I get those lobbies to please?

[twilit rivet]

But yeah insta burn has always been a problem in both games

[grave rose]

Na it's just let's leave with one bounty

[twilit rivet]

Jusf insta burn and wait for teammates

[urban steppe]

instaburn and conc bomb the body bwahhaha

[twilit rivet]

Insta burn is so rewarding that everyone wants to do it

[urban steppe]

[tawny ginkgo]

facing bomblauncher with medium springfield with bleed ammo is just idk

[twilit rivet]

Yeah and conc bomb too

[grave rose]

Conc need more skin than just 3 or 4

Skins*

[rapid crystal]

damn you gave me an inspiration!

[raven totem]

wanna know when people don't insta burn? when they don't have time due to pressure or someones wasn't a goofy goober going down waaay the hell out of position.

sometimes I'm a goofy goober though as well so I get it

[tawny ginkgo]

wished they remove all those custom ammo

[raven totem]

lol

[tawny ginkgo]

fire beetle goes brrrr

[urban steppe]

I don't instaburn because I want to farm kills with my explosive ammo

[grave rose]

Very unlikely but they could just get rid of all em since they removed one

[rapid crystal]

wish they add more mechanically interesting stuff

[urban steppe]

it's much funnier to hardscope the body with explosive ammo and wait for them to get up

before you slam an explosive bullet into the nearby wall or something to get a kill from the splash

[vale copper]

Guys

[raven totem]

I wish my entire lobbies where bolt long again, oh those where the days"

[vale copper]

Does anyone know the audio for necro

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-green-goblin-attaboy-that-a-boy-willem-dafoe-gif-25401526

[vale copper]

To hear if an enemy is using necro on their teammate

I heard you can hear it but I’m not sure what it sounds like

[raven totem]

ya it's like darksight but a tad louder

[tawny ginkgo]

I swear I respect everyone who kills me with bow and arrow but as soon as they use the frag I could ALT F4 and go play CoD

only difference is that it isnt michelangeo who kills me in hunt

[urban steppe]

last night, I downed the bounty carrier and their body landed right behind an opened window

the window was destroyed from the blast of the explosive ammo earlier

I just repositioned and held an angle on the windowframe
waited for the token to disappear to indicate that they got up and slammed an explosive buillet into the top of the windowframe to splash them once they got up 😆

[pearl rock]

nah i had a pot of coffee aswell

[urban steppe]

its much funnier that way

[pearl rock]

its quite abit of caffeine

[urban steppe]

yeah it entirely relies on them not having resilience

[rapid crystal]

does anyone ever use regular nagant?

[urban steppe]

only silenced with dum dum

or poison

0 reason to run base nagant

[tawny ginkgo]

yeah silenced only

[grave rose]

No thats literally only 222mg of caffeine it's not that much

[urban steppe]

the nagant is alr a bad gun
you might aswell use it as a utility tool

[urban steppe]

yeah a silent nagant with dum dum is absurdly funny to use

[rapid crystal]

damn! people don't like their nagants

[urban steppe]

no point
base nagant is worse than any other pistol ingame

-compact ammo
-bad ammo types

-slow rof

[rapid crystal]

its ok with fanning and dum dum i think

[tawny ginkgo]

absolutly even tho I despise custom ammo

[urban steppe]

it isn't
its got the worst stats for fanning out of all the compact pistols irc

well, it might be marginally more accurate than the lemat

but the lemat has 9

so uh

[urban steppe]

yeah
any compact with fmj is the better pick

[rapid crystal]

fire rate on that thing is better tho

while fanning

[urban steppe]

except no one is using it at max fire rate

[grave rose]

Just use basic conversion

[urban steppe]

rof on fanning is more or less irrelevant

[pearl rock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048310539153063987/1413343826856382614/ezgif-4f1fa084c00774.gif

[urban steppe]

if you are holding down m1 long enough to achieve that rof instead of tapfiring, you are increasing the spread of the weapon to such an extent you'd most likely miss most your hits

[rapid crystal]

might be wrong but i believe there are barely any recoil on it. just remember using it couple of times and it felt good

[urban steppe]

yeah
base conversion is simply better due to the ammo type + it's more accurate for fanning

[urban steppe]

nah, its got worse spread than ccp

not much point in using it

if you are fanning, you are ideally tap firing it to reduce spread/bloom build up

you aren't ever going to want to just hold down m1

and shoot at max speed

or at least I hope so

[granite blade]

i think the choice of secondary is kinda obvious

[rapid crystal]

spread is not recoil lol and not sure if there is any bloom since it's innacurate af by default

[grave rose]

Dude ik red bull unless they changed it the past 10 years 12oz red is only 111mg of caffeine drink 3 ghost or literally as decent tasting preworkout 200mg is pretty common dosage your actin like kiddo who just had his first sugary energy drink

[urban steppe]

I don't have the recoil stats memorized sadly
I just know its got worse spread which is alr a severe flaw when comparing it to other pistols for fanning imo

[grave rose]

Anyways @urban steppe Whats the spread of the pax claw

[urban steppe]

not good
the pax has always had worse spread than the ccp

no point in using the claw

when the trueshot exists

[grave rose]

Noooooo

[urban steppe]

just run trueshot

its better in every way

outside of sway

[grave rose]

Put claw got such a nice skin

[urban steppe]

yeah

[urban steppe]

quad ccps

1st pair fmj

[rapid crystal]

ill actually go and shoot it a bit at the range

[urban steppe]

2nd pair dum dum

[grave rose]

Oh shit didn't realize ya were here cran

[granite blade]

my rng is too bad for that

just gonna do the classic shotgun + upper

[urban steppe]

😔

[granite blade]

im here from time to time :v

[pearl rock]

its the bigger ones that i drink

lemme see how many lfoz it is

[urban steppe]

but yeah imo spread is the defining stat for if a pistol is good or not for fanning

tapfiring is the way to go

[pearl rock]

its whatever though

sure yeah im just a kid yeah

[grave rose]

So that's the 16oz that's again only 148mg of caffeine

[urban steppe]

yeah like I said above
a redbull contains about as much caffeine as black coffee

[urban steppe]

easy on the caffeine

[grave rose]

Giving ya get mad that all call ya kiddo which I do to most folk here I mean yes seems like ya are 🎃

[urban steppe]

the 400mg daily safe limit

is only for adults

[grave rose]

[urban steppe]

only big boys can take the big stamshot

[grave rose]

That gave me a chuckle thank you post

[urban steppe]

Considering there's already a stamshot skin that's just Sake

I wonder when we are going to be injecting black coffee into our veins

[grave rose]

I would buy a coffee stam shot skin

[raven totem]

I had the same thing, again

[urban steppe]

ong

[raven totem]

also uppercut doesn't count anymore

[urban steppe]

where's our representation

[grave rose]

Honestly

[urban steppe]

I honestly can't wait for the spider themed halloween event though

this means we are getting the butcher's BBQ cookout this summer right

[grave rose]

Hopefully

[rapid crystal]

ok it doesn't have any recoil if compared to other pistols

just aim and hold lmb

[urban steppe]

its compact, that's expected

[grave rose]

Well time to clock out and head to the gym

[urban steppe]

gl, get those gains in

[rapid crystal]

try comparing it with chain pistol. same compact ammo and more recoil than some medium ammo guns

[true swift]

The conversion fmj is a laser in cqc

Even at midrange its pretty accurate

[urban steppe]

chain pistol is probably the only outlier imo

[pearl rock]

mad? im quittin talkin to ya cause your ragebaiting

[true swift]

For fanning*

[urban steppe]

yeah cause its got the tightest spread

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-gains-begin-gif-4615330046726166893

[urban steppe]

well 2nd tightest spread now

since trueshot is a thing

[pearl rock]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-laughing-gif-3676435433606054883

[true swift]

Trueshot fanning is something else

[grave rose]

I'm not rage baiting tho that's the funny part

[urban steppe]

the trueshot is basically the best pistol now
tightest fanning spread
more damage than most pistols
has fmj/dum dum
one of the better drop ranges...

[true swift]

Yeah, although i bring the uppercut solely because i like the sound more and it has my favorite skin

[grave rose]

Which skin

[true swift]

Bone Marrow

[urban steppe]

yeah I'm not a fan of the uppercut nerfs
look at the drop range on explosive uppercut ammo LOOL

[rapid crystal]

ahh! the almighty papercut

[urban steppe]

explosive uppercut got murdered LOL

[pearl rock]

https://tenor.com/view/jpegmafia-gif-1929250450145828952

[true swift]

Uppercut P with Rival Mace is my go to loadout

[urban steppe]

explosive uppercut was my go 2ndary on any shotgun build

[granite blade]

why?

[urban steppe]

simply because it let me bust open windows, doors, and destroy traps

so I could run in

and go unga da bunga

[raven totem]

because it got seperated into it's own branch

I tried, I assure you

[grave rose]

I'm just stating your making it sound like ya just downed 600mg when you literally did slightly above most preworkouts

[true swift]

I used to do this when the crown shorty came out

[pearl rock]

k

[true swift]

Explosive crossbow qm auto 4

It was funny but got old really quick

[granite blade]

damn

[grave rose]

Ok glad we were able to finish the conversation like adults

[urban steppe]

don't forget the flechettes LOL

[raven totem]

fanning conversion fmj is calling

[true swift]

Yeah i took flechette standard

[urban steppe]

looks like you gotta quad wield ccps now

[urban steppe]

flechettes on the crown is so stupidly strong

[true swift]

Flechette crown is slept on hard

[urban steppe]

fr fr

[true swift]

Shit is annoying as fuck

[urban steppe]

flechettes on any shotgun

[true swift]

So much damage from range too

[urban steppe]

same for the specter

when paired with poison sparks pistol 😆

[true swift]

Specter bayonet with flechette is fun

[rapid crystal]

rare sight these days

[granite blade]

unfortunately

[urban steppe]

buddy its wraps

once I tag you with the poison bullet

3 billion needles coming your way

[urban steppe]

ong

[true swift]

bleed in general

lol

[raven totem]

wtf am I reading

[urban steppe]

poison ammo + bleed = they are forced to medkit up or die

so they can't shoot back

[true swift]

very cool

[urban steppe]

and then you just run them down

or something

[granite blade]

how you know its dead hours(only 2 teams and our third was afk the whole time)

[true swift]

Yeah

What are you even supposed to really do lol

Die i guess? Or hope you somehow catch them yourself as they push

[urban steppe]

I either go sparks sniper with poison with qmastered flechette shotgun

or flechette specter with sparks pistol with poison

and 3X beetles with pain sense LOL

[rapid crystal]

hunt feels kinda stale i no longer able to come up with interesting loadouts

[urban steppe]

I only bust out the beetle if no one can capitalize on a push while they are bleeding

[urban steppe]

do what I just said

go nuts

[raven totem]

drilling hatch hv with springfeild dead eye hv

[true swift]

300 bucks for the auto 4 and like what 30 bucks for flechette?

[rapid crystal]

it's classic

[true swift]

Insane value for something that strong, not that money really matters

[urban steppe]

its so funny to use

most the time the kills I get are from guys bleeding out

[rapid crystal]

i think fuses are more funny to make em bleed out

[urban steppe]

yeah
its absurd when paired with a hard hitting rifle

[urban steppe]

broke: push with decoy fuses
woke: push with chaos bomb

[true swift]

Its ok people like it 🙂

No nerfs, just nerf the nagant or something

[granite blade]

im not broke :(

[raven totem]

they ment op

[rapid crystal]

i push with decoy (chaos) bolts like a chad

[granite blade]

but they said broke people push with decoy fuses

im not broke >:(

[true swift]

Auto 4 flechette with springfield?

[urban steppe]

Yeah, I really like the new ear ringing sound effect
its a good buff to the chaos tools in general

[true swift]

Maybe

[urban steppe]

nah, auto 4 with sparks sniper

[true swift]

Ew no sniperd

[urban steppe]

or base sparks

whatever works

[true swift]

I'll take that

Or a deadeye

[rapid crystal]

it sounds very specific

[raven totem]

good synergy and ammo for days

[urban steppe]

the sparks is much better than the springfield for this role since a torso hit leaves them at 1 hp within 40m = you just need to land a single needle to kill

[granite blade]

are we cooked?

[urban steppe]

the sheer amount of damage from a poison sparks bullet will leave them a second away from death

[raven totem]

bornheim match, duel lemat, all incindiary

[rapid crystal]

i use dark satchel as breaching charge. usually kills 1, scares others and make their ears ringing

[urban steppe]

for 8 whole seconds

[true swift]

Springfield poison lasts 4 seconds right?

Or is it shorter

[urban steppe]

its 6 or something I think

it's not worth using

when the sparks exist

[true swift]

Thats not bad but the sparks' damage kinda invalidates it

[rapid crystal]

stawhp it! get some help

[granite blade]

never met a random with better naming capabilities than myself sheeesh

[urban steppe]

nah, it just means you can get kills more consistantly/further out with this combo

[raven totem]

they're good loadouts I promise

[urban steppe]

which makes it all the better

[true swift]

Big funny

[raven totem]

all I know is cran

[urban steppe]

within 40m, they are 1 needle away from death
outside of 40m
they are a few seconds away from bleeding out

[true swift]

Fuck it i'll run that tonight

[urban steppe]

yeah

remember to pack the beetles loool

[rapid crystal]

fire one sounds funny i like it

[urban steppe]

for finishing off guys who get smart and use the terrain to stop you from pushing/landing the needles

[true swift]

Fire or regular

[urban steppe]

regular, you need to fly fast to capitalize on the 8 seconds of poison

[true swift]

Oh right the fire one flies slower

[urban steppe]

regular beetle is 50 dmg on explosion anyways

so like

[true swift]

I only ever bring the normal beetle when i bring one

[urban steppe]

you can REALLY capitalize

[raven totem]

it's fun, you get a lot of ammo to spam people down and burn them up and use the lemats like a hand cannon

[true swift]

Cool and good

[urban steppe]

on the sparks 149 torso damage + poison

[true swift]

Do you bring half poison or full

[urban steppe]

full

[true swift]

Noted

[urban steppe]

or 50/ poison 50/ incend

depends

[true swift]

I'm gonna see this shitshow for myself tonight this sounds annoying af

[urban steppe]

it is

[true swift]

Lol

[urban steppe]

this is a stupidly strong loadout
esp if you can coordinate with friends

[rapid crystal]

@urban steppe on the topic of fuses - hit em with flechettes and when they hide throw fuse to prevent bandaging till they bleed out

[true swift]

Yeah my teammates and I synergize pretty good so i bet this'll be an experience

My friends usually bring shit with fire

[urban steppe]

even better
cause the char leaves them at less than 150 hp

so you can 1 tap with sparks

within 40m