lore-discussion

[mighty lintel]

So basically a stand in for Samuel Colt

[woven grail]

More like Colt.

But yes.

[mighty lintel]

Yeah I meant Colt

[woven grail]

Exactly

[mighty lintel]

My brain is working no wel

But yeah makes sense

What was Caldwells beef with Huff

[woven grail]

We have no idea.

Huff explained his plan to Caldwell, he run away like a scared monkey and attempted to kill the Finch 14 and started a fire on the Asylum.

[mighty lintel]

Weird

Interesting but odd

[woven grail]

Yeah, its so weird I am stanning that supposition.

[mighty lintel]

Haha

I think the most plausible is Lynch had the twins shoot him

She had something to do with it

But I don’t think she killed him

[woven grail]

If we go by Hayden Colins account, The Twins kinda hated Lynch.

[mighty lintel]

Hmm

[noble scarab]

They only hated her after they were told to not trust her

so depending on when that was

[woven grail]

But then again, Its Hayden Colins and he is there to tell a story, not to tell the truth.

[mighty lintel]

Yeah he’s one of those Wild West writers, embellishment is key

[noble scarab]

its like a mini proxy war, with each entity having someone to control

wasnt VC eventually killed by the dude in the Veterli lore?

Leander?

[woven grail]

I think so.

[mighty lintel]

So with Huff dead and the AHA in shambles without a leader who exactly is paying the bounties

[noble scarab]

still the AHA

Finch runs a safe zone type thing

[mighty lintel]

Ah alright

[woven grail]

They have a leader.

He probably lasts like a month tops tho.

Its like that time the pope died like every week.

[mighty lintel]

Ah yeah

I heard someone say once that sometimes independents also pay bounties, like collectors or researchers or some such

[noble scarab]

they do

well, they fund it

it still might be through the AHA

[mighty lintel]

Yeah

So who is this finch guy, the first time I’ve really gone into the AHA lore deep

[noble scarab]

He was Huff's semi second in command

[woven grail]

It is like Huff Second hand man

I think its the one that recruited the Finch 14.

[mighty lintel]

Ah alright so he’s basically sorta in charge right now

[woven grail]

Yeah

[noble scarab]

he runs a kinda hunter town or safe area outside of the bayou which is where the recruits and weapons come from

its probably a neutral zone where all the groups tolerate each other

[junior pecan]

Being primarily granivorous, finches are home in corn and wheat farms alike, as well as most any other location in which human civilization cultivates or houses its food. — Their diet also regularly consists of arthropods — and several species have been domesticated by humankind.

.

Interesting coincidence, but as is with the rest of the lore, there’s no thought or pattern behind it.

[noble scarab]

You can see some examples where the names do have a meaning or relate to things

Scrapbeak was named Avis, The Kid’s name is Abaddon as well

There’s a few things that have meaning but I doubt Finch is one of those examples

Wonder if theres a historical Finch by chance?

[rotund ferry]

What is the backstory behind scrapbeak?

[wintry root]

Confederate soldier gets legs blown off, weird shit happens, badabing-badaboom big birb

[woven grail]

We are missing mastery 5 on the wiki, but yeah

That

[worldly copper]

q: what's the actual basis / importance of the twins, and the crazily explained lore there? I read all 24, they're sorta hard to discern shit from, but I really liked the rabbit hole. Anything that flattens it out comprehensively?

are they supposed to be some strange background protagonism, or an explanation of the bayou's degeneration? Is it just an analogue for a hunter's life?

[frank bobcat]

Sesame Street

[wintry root]

Fuck you Sir

[frank bobcat]

And you fine Gentleman

[wintry root]

👌

[junior pecan]

No, we have no idea what is important about their story. Best guess is the mention of Huff’s death causing KOS in the bayou.

Alright. We need

Berthier deadeye

Scott speedloadet

Scott spitfire

And scott precision.

[ocean linden]

And Winfield FMJ

[devout cedar]

Winfield C FMJ

Winfield FMJ

Berhier Deadeye

[wintry root]

thank you Phantom man

[rotund ferry]

Interesting

[devout cedar]

Scottfield Spitfire

[rotund ferry]

That was fast

[wintry root]

it's Rachta, what did you expect?

[rotund ferry]

For the lore not to get posted at 7:30 Am

[wintry root]

remember

it's always high noon somewhere

[sudden glacier]

think you mean 9:30 buckaroo

[winter basalt]

Where I live it's already 4:50 pm

[junior pecan]

That leaves

Speedload

Precision.

Once again, little of substance, little of interest. Glad my disappointment has tapered off at least

[lyric loom]

ok cole cassidy

[wintry root]

you mean McCree?

[lyric loom]

the past is the past

[wintry root]

he's still McCree to me

[lyric loom]

i miss the superior name as well but

[junior pecan]

Considering neither of them is mentioned as having snake skin it definitely isn’t the twins

Probably not Allison and GF either, Allison is not a Spanish name afaik.

So, oh boy, two more characters that’ll go nowhere

[junior pecan]

Fan-service LOL

[woven grail]

Ah yes, the obvious implication that people that speak spanish put random spanish words when speaking english. I kinda hate that trope.

Reminds me of El Dorado from the Justice Friends.

Although I forgive Speedy.

[junior pecan]

I honestly see that more IRL than in media

Only in casual environments though

[woven grail]

Hmm, I see it in media a lot, I am not from the US so I guess in bilingual environments is kinda like that?

Anyways June 17, That is just Before Huff dies.

Maybe this is La llorana Heir Lore?

[junior pecan]

Two pistols. Yeah probably

But who’s the other girl

[woven grail]

Its one that speaks spanish for sure.

[devout cedar]

Scottfield Precision (couldnt fit in one screenshot)

[junior pecan]

Alright second girl is lulu

Just speedload left

[lethal tusk]

Not sure where this is best put. But if you want to see some of the guns from the game in action, Check out an old western named Wagon Train, I was watching it with my dad and almost lost my mind when i saw Major Adams using a springfield trapdoor rifle.....and having to lug around a bag of ammo...The fire rate in game is way to high haha!

[noble scarab]

That makes 2 dead Legendary Hunters confirmed. Billy and Black Coat

[tardy sentinel]

Does it mean billy story?

Or some random billy

[noble scarab]

It’s most likely Billy Story, he’s the only Billy we know

[tardy sentinel]

Ah k didn't know if there were any more there Billy's in the lore

[noble scarab]

I’m thinking this is Sofia’s lore, especially since the next entry is about Sofia and Lulu

The scarred face and murders also match up

[devout cedar]

Scottfield Swift

[noble scarab]

Oh cool that confirms that it’s Sofia

[noble scarab]

Thanks for the lore pages!

[devout cedar]

Yeah lmk if u need anything else

[mighty lintel]

How did Blackcoat die again

[mighty lintel]

Actually I don’t think it’s Story

She mentions “His eyes begged for mercy” that’s eyes plural. Billy Story only has one eye.

Also it doesn’t sound like something story would do

He’s a showman, rash, abrasive and loud. Him running with a crew and trying to assault a woman doesn’t make any sense because of how famous he is and how much cash he had. He could leverage his Fame with any woman or just buy a girl at a saloon.

Plus why would he be slumming it around in DeSalle getting his clothes all muddy when he could simply be back in New Orleans

Also the witness to the crimes, Toslten didn’t seem to recognize Billy Story, even if he didn’t know Story’s fame, Billy wouldn’t be keeping a low profile, he’s so bombastic it’s odd that the man didn’t identify him as an outsider with a loud personality and instead referred to him as simply part of the “DeSalle Boys” almost like the Billy that was killed was instead a local

[winter basalt]

That was the last person, Billy had his throat slit

[noble scarab]

I think Toslten's account was separate from Lulu's story as well

[mighty lintel]

Still I don’t think Billy had a crew but I could be wrong

Just doesn’t sound right

[noble scarab]

Most people in the Bayou had a gang or crew. I want to say he also ran with the Black Coats people, but I'd need to double check that

[mighty lintel]

Yeah

But yeah it could be story but idk, I’d need some more evidence

[mighty lintel]

Also how did Blackcoat die again

[noble scarab]

the Twins killed him, per Collins, he was their father

[fickle bone]

So, what year/ time frame is this game meant to take place in?

[noble scarab]

1895/6

[fickle bone]

ah ok

[noble scarab]

Each map is a different season from spring-fall

[fickle bone]

makes sense

[mighty lintel]

This could definitely be Story’s death but idk, it could also be just some random Billy

It was a pretty common nickname back then

[noble scarab]

we could just consider him as possibly dead, which several other Hunters also are

[mighty lintel]

Also I think a minor celebrity like Billy Story being killed would be a major thing that most hunters would know about

Yeah that’s probably the best

Who are the other possibly dead ones

[noble scarab]

Felis (shot at by Carter's people) and maybe the Mountain Man

[mighty lintel]

Which hunter is Sofia again, is she the Rat?

[noble scarab]

She's the newer one that has the big hat and veil

the one looking for the people that killed her family

granted thats about half the legendary folks

[humble ridge]

Hi! Who is up for squad to unlock pages?

[woven grail]

Also, a reminder that everything Per Collins might be bullshit.

Or at least with minor embellishments

Also so its Sofia and The Gunslinger?

Oh also its seems they are releasing The revenant but alive

Also, Faro is a wild west game, I played it once, its fun.

[molten wadi]

Who the heck is Mr. Orwell Chary?
it says he took part in the Winter Solstice event
but it ain't Henry Trapp, nor Skinflint
wth is he?

[woven grail]

Where is he mentioned?

[spiral otter]

The new Offerings feature

[molten wadi]

he is the one with the dark offering tributes

[spiral otter]

And the implied contracts in the last event.

[molten wadi]

so he is unseen so far, is he not?

first though it would be the Avocado or Skinflint

but those got different names, haha

Chary still seems to exist behind a curtain

[woven grail]

Is there a letter from Madam Lavou?

I am sure I read it but I can remember where.

[noble scarab]

its in the original Louisiana Event book

its on the wiki, but may not be canon anymore

[untold blaze]

Who in tarnation is Henry Trapp

Like, he seems like a badass cause he is the devils advocate but like, can’t find anything bout him anywhere

[woven grail]

There is not a lot about the event characters

The only thing that might help you find things are his weapons (If he has any)

There are more character without lore entries than with them.

[woven grail]

I was like 90% sure there was an entry somewhere, but I think I was wrong

Ok I found the letter but I have no idea

Where is it from

[noble scarab]

They're from the old case book that was replaced by the current ones. Here's the reply to that: Louisiana Incident (Louvent) Case file
Letter To Laveau
(Writing at top: from Jones' collection)
MOST ESTEEMED MDM LAVEAU,
I WAS HONORED TO RECEIVE YOUR LETTER. I HAVE INDEED HEARD OF YOU. YOU
ARE CORRECT IN SAYING I WEAR A MASK OF SORTS--I HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO
MAINTAIN THE SECRECY OF THE AHA AND WOULD I BREAK IT I WOULD NOT SURVIVE
TO GLOAT. IN A SENSE, IT IS BOTH MASK AND SHIELD. BUT IF EVEN HALF OF WHAT I
HAVE HEARD ABOUT YOU IS THE TRUTH, THEN YOU LIKELY KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAK.
I HAVE CONSULTED WITH SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE MATTER, AND WE
ARE OF ONE MIND. A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN US WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO ALL. I
WOULD HEAR MORE OF YOUR VISIONS OF THE CITY'S END, FOR WE HAVE ALSO SEEN
SUCH THINGS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PORTENTS AS WELL.
I DARE NOT COMMIT MORE TO PAPER. LET US MEET AND DISCUSS THIS FURTHER IN
PERSON. THE COMING MONTHS ARE, IN OUR ESTIMATION, CRUCIAL. PLEASE WRITE
ME AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE.
QUAM PARVA SAPIENTIA MUNDUS RECITUR.
PHILIP HUFF JONES, M.D.
(Writing at bottom: who's transcribing these? find originals!)

[earnest jungle]

So if we can summarize:
• Lulu and Sofia are definitely a couple
• Billy Story is a rapists who was killed by Sofia
• Hardin was tracking both of them
• One of the four men who killed Sofia’s family was a Rancher from DeSalle.

[ripe inlet]

• Billy Story is a rapists who was killed by Sofia
uncertain. It can be another billy.

[wintry root]

Well there goes the Lulu X Felis ship

[winter basalt]

Well, one can always make some wholesome content if not shipping

[wintry root]

Imma ship more stuff than Carcass Gunrunner

[tired spear]

Where did you find that info?

[wintry root]

My guess would be the new lore we got with the variants but I haven't read them yet

[tired spear]

Same

Because i cannot get kills and that means i cannot get unlocks

;-;

Being five stars is both a blessing and a curse

[winter basalt]

Just scroll up, it's the lore from scottie precision and it was uploaded in here yesterday.

[winter basalt]

Damn, that'll be a lot of shipping! Do we have enough legendaries for that?!

[wintry root]

Rachta is an omegachad

[tired spear]

Uh
Carter looks like he'd be into it

[winter basalt]

Indeed

[mighty lintel]

I will not stand for such Carter slander

[tired spear]

So I rewatched the Prodigal Daughter's DLC for visual reference and I noticed that she's shooting a specific bullet marked Elise from her Sparks when she sneaked up behind the Archaeologist

And I was wondering if y'all nerds have figured out more about that

Is the Arcane lady linked to her mother's murder?

[noble scarab]

Somehow she is

I don’t think we know more than that she is somehow involved

[real hinge]

Doing some research in to the phantom and could do with a hand. The lore entries in the hunting bow speak of Francis leroux, anyone else think this is gus (the phantom) leroux’s father? Who killed Francis Leroux? And who is the Irish women mentioned in Gus Lerouxs letters?

[woven grail]

Different person

The Phantom is GUS leroux

[real hinge]

Yeah I know the phantom is Gus, my question was is Francis leroux his father. Or any other relation?

[woven grail]

Also nothing points that out.

[real hinge]

Yeah I’m clutching at straws. Only the same surname, they both are a bit theatrical and Gus’ father is murdered as is Francis Leroux 🤷‍♂️

[woven grail]

Well if we assume that someone murdered Francis Leroux, it would be the person that wrote the letter.

[real hinge]

Yeah the letters say he was murdered, there’s a name attached (can’t remember it now) but it’s got a question marked attached as it’s been ‘documented’ so just wondered if anyone knew a bit more.

[rose cape]

So the new variants re-introduce the ghoul lore - can someone summarise the main facts?

[earnest jungle]

Can’t be his father the Phantom killed his father

[bold tiger]

Ghoul lore?

Also wtf is the Berth deadeye lore about, just so happens the guy is looking for a woman and a baby (his wife and child made demony by hellhound meat?) And comes across another woman and baby running across a field in the middle of the night?

[noble scarab]

There’s no ghoul lore. It’s not ever mentioned, anywhere.

[bold tiger]

I was wondering what he meant by that

[noble scarab]

The dude in the Berthier lore is a bit nuts, so it may have not even been another woman and child, or it could’ve been his wife and baby and he’s just crazy and didn’t recognize them

[bold tiger]

Judging by the fact that she was eating hellhound meat probably not

I guess we will find out when the riposte/bayonet is added

[noble scarab]

I’d be curious to know about the kid, if it’s like a meathead or not

Usually Hunter children are meatheads, which is why that’s kinda banned. This guy got a presumed non Hunter lady pregnant but then she started eating hellhounds, so who knows how that’ll turn out

[bold tiger]

It is that female hunters have demon babys in general, not just meatheads. Having a hunters wife be effected is kind of weird, as it should have come up before

The lore for the next gun should be a love story between Cain and Redneck

[sudden glacier]

I support this

[bold tiger]

Would Cain be the one who always has your back, you just can't see it sometimes?

[noble scarab]

Cain is more of the stalking ex kinda guy

[noble scarab]

I wonder if this was a failure of the serum’s contraceptive properties, or if those only apply to the women hunters

It must be a rare thing for it to not have been mentioned much

[rotund ferry]

Is the husband even a hunter

like officially

[bold tiger]

I think so

[rotund ferry]

Like he doesn't sound at all like a guy with any sense at all

[bold tiger]

Though I think the cause of the whole evil baby was him not wiping his feet off at the door

[rotund ferry]

lol

[bold tiger]

In effect, not ya know literally but

Don't bring shit out of the bayou, that is in the armored lore I believe

[rotund ferry]

If he was a hunter I have no idea why he would feed his wife anything from the bayou

[bold tiger]

Hunters shoot each other

[rotund ferry]

No that makes sense

[bold tiger]

Over company scrip

[rotund ferry]

the motive there is money

This doesn't

I think the dudes insane

[bold tiger]

See is it even money in the lore?

[rotund ferry]

and his lovely wife is a grunt or some shit

[bold tiger]

I don't recall an instance of hunters killing each other without being batshit insane

[rotund ferry]

Lol

[bold tiger]

Like in this universe they just kidnap homeless people and tell them, hey you fight monsters now

[rotund ferry]

Squid games:show down

[bold tiger]

And with the lore being set in the past in universe, I bet the AHAs replacement is either a government agency or like an UN agency type thing

With a strict no insanity policy

No you can not be a smelly mud covered cross eyes hillbilly, you don't have to be special operations material either. Take your surplus army rifle and shoot some zombies, dont shoot anyone else with guns though

[icy brook]

I feel like men and women like Cain won’t even cash out a bounty or even seek it in the first place

They just show up in dead zones and begin hunting men for the sake of murder

To hunt the most dangerous game

[bold tiger]

They show up because everyone called them ugly, and thats why they hide in bushes

[noble scarab]

I kinda feel like even tho we meme that Cain is a muddy cave hobo, his lore makes him seem much more sad and insane from grief rather than just mud hobo (even tho it’s more fun). Especially with the theory of him being a Desalle bro. Mans been through shit

Granted I also can’t see him going to turn in a bounty either, maybe he has someone he trusts do it, or they like yeet it into the swamp for him

Or he might not even go for them tbh, he’s just there to kill shit and add skulls to his back

Oof just noticed that that’d been said above

[slim knoll]

"But my papaw Cletus wuz a Hunter back'n the Luweezeyanner days"

[real hinge]

Ah ok good to know, guess he’s either coincidentally got the same surname or is related another way. Where is it mentioned he kill his father?

[mighty lintel]

So besides Moses, Lulu, Sofia, Hardin, The Reverend and possibly Cain, are there any other Legendary Hunters we know lived inside the afflicted zone before all hell broke loose

[winter basalt]

Jonathan RedShirt

[mighty lintel]

Oh cool, cool

[timber cobalt]

The new insights to the ghoul perk were quite enlightening this patch.

[tall lava]

This whole ghoul thing is starting to sound spammy

Especially in a channel intended for actual hunt lore

[timber cobalt]

Hunters can become ghouls through the perk you can buy. And thus I find interest in sucking life from monsters.

So I have devoted a bit of my time to research ghoul lore in the game anyway I can.

There’s a lot of theorising in this channel and discussion about ghouls is no different. Can’t wait to find out more about ghouls as the game continues to progress.

[wintry root]

It's called we do a little trolling

[untold blaze]

I love using Ghoul

I use mostly Lance so it’s a godsend

[sudden glacier]

please don't use me

[lyric loom]

its unavoidable

[untold blaze]

I’ll do my best not too lass

[sudden glacier]

starting hunt was surreal with everyone saying ghoul

[untold blaze]

Cause that’s your username and all that jazz?

[sudden glacier]

precisely

[untold blaze]

Understandable

[bold tiger]

The cattle lines sound like a country wide thing rather than louisiana specific

[woven grail]

No exactly, Its not hunters childs exactly its non developed things are the ones that change the most. (Or so I think some dude says)

[noble scarab]

We've had 2 examples of that, both of which were Hunter couples, one gave birth to a "demon" that's what got women banned from the AHA, then another couple did it secretly, more recently, which resulted in a meathead. The other entry is for the Berthier custom ammo, where it suggests that unformed things are more susceptible to the corruption

[woven grail]

When the Sculptor sees baby in womb
"Time to create some more horrors."

[noble scarab]

"Whelp here I go corrupting again!"

https://tenor.com/view/gallery-artist-museum-paper-sculpture-li-hongbo-gif-3530215

[lethal tusk]

The hives go along with that also, as young girls would develop the hive like cocoon inside their wombs that would burst up from their chests. It does not suggest that they were previously pregnant but more along the lines of virgins.

[woven grail]

You know

Plants, I haven't seen any plants touched by the sculptor

Is it because plants fight zombies? I dunno.

[tired spear]

Ooooh that's why Cain is looking for his bacon...

[upper turtle]

How much do we know about cain lore wise?

[woven grail]

Literally what it says on the Legendary skin.

I think that is all.

[mighty lintel]

Crazy bush man. That’s it

[upper turtle]

Could be more important than we think then

[noble scarab]

my personal theory is that cain is one of the Desalle bros, either Lewis or Darin, gone crazy with grief from killing a brother and as such started going by Cain and being a crazy bush hobo

[novel perch]

so hive ladies are virgin?

[noble scarab]

not necessarily, the original hive was a mother

her daughter was found to have a plague/corruption insect in her womb that probably would've turned her into a hive over time

[mighty lintel]

Virgin pregnancies, which means pregnancy without intercourse as the cause, doesnt mean the ladies have to be virgins, just that no intercourse led to said pregnancy.

[novel perch]

and there young

i dont think they are young

[noble scarab]

the sculptor creates copies, the original hives were older women

there are probably a few others we don't see in game as well

[vapid vault]

is there a lore explanation for why hunters can raise their buddies that have been shot in the head or blown to bits by grenades and are they using dark magic?

[frank bobcat]

To some degree, the dark rites grant unnatural attributes which iirc are never properly described. I doubt walking off a long ammo to the dome would be covered by that though.

Most likely the fast recovery from flesh wounds, a banish would create a concentration of the sculptors power which could be what powers these attributes.

[noble scarab]

Once theyve taken the serum these people are semi supernatural themselves, which to quote Emp Palpatine, leads to many abilities which some would consider unnatural

including increased stamina, strength, durability, and healing, as well as access to darker arts like Dark Sight, and the ability to gain traits like Necromancy and others

[lament seal]

Hmm was it ever mentioned in lore? I don't think I've seen this anywhere

[noble scarab]

Its mentioned that it gives you access to Dark Sight as well as it does something to your soul. The other things can kinda be extrapolated out from a mix of gameplay & lore. The regen & health shots have a few skeptical sentences about that kind of stuff

[amber onyx]

Sofia and Lulu is canon apparently

No, wait, there is Sofia from the legendary and Sophia wich is someone that Lulu likes, unless they are the same

[noble scarab]

Should be the same person

Might be some names just got jumbled around, wouldn’t be the first time

[amber onyx]

So Sofia is mexican then

Thats neat

[deep willow]

LEL

[glad verge]

what does it says in The Pearl and Spite?

[noble scarab]

Pearl is named for a Wild West outlaw, Spite is Finch’s gun that he uses to try to get revenge for his murdered wife

[bold tiger]

Hives are "clones" of an original

[novel perch]

ok

[bold tiger]

Same as immolators and meatheads, and probably armoreds

[novel perch]

why not bosses?

[tired spear]

Bosses are also clones iirc

That's why they keep coming back

[novel perch]

but why do they have bountys?

[noble scarab]

they have bounties because its an incentive to help stop the corruption, and because the bounty itself is powerful and worth money

[tired spear]

Yeah the bounty isn't just like the fingers of the grunts or equivalent

There's a reason you're sent to get them

The AHA collects them

If a single bounty gives one the ability to see other Quickened hunters through dark sight - and actually raise the dead - you could only guess what they can do in large amounts

[bold tiger]

The bounties are basically "proof" of the death of the monster

[novel perch]

ok

[vapid vault]

Isn't this just a poor lore justification for the two textures of the same model? THey should change that IMO.

[bold tiger]

No idea really, I do want a few more variations on the AI

[vapid vault]

i'd like to see a hive stage 2 where the now immobile structure stands atop a broken still screaming head and body of a former hive, i fear it would slow down the gameplay too much but hey

[woven grail]

The only place that talks about cloning is that the bosses appear again after being killed.
In my opinion bosses are maybe cloned, maybe just the Sculptor doing the same to other people, or even just outright reviving them again.

[upbeat kiln]

That's sick. I love that idea.

[unkempt fog]

Does anyone know what the "GM" on The Kid's handkerchief means? Is he on a quest for revenge or is it one or two of his siblings? Anyone got any idea?

[lament seal]

Aight, thanks mate

[vapid vault]

I think they come back after being banished. That it's just temporary.

[mint glade]

Do we have any info about mr. Chary? AFAIK he first time appeared in relation to Solstice event, offering booster "contracts", but without any real details Do we know anything more about him?

I have to admit, that I'm getting devilish vibes from that character. Contracts, now blood and of course name "Chary" which makes me think of fire, something charred or perhaps charcoal. And then there's the fact that in my language (Polish) "czary", pronounced fairly similarly to how you would pronounce "chary" means "magical spells" (plural form of magical spell).

[lyric arrow]

I think its the general explanation why just about all the monsters reappear. Like the meathead for example, not all meatheads can be a new hunter baby because afaik after the "meathead incident" they made sure to sterilize new hunters to prevent that frum happening again.

[mighty lintel]

I’m pretty sure we don’t have much on him. He just kind of appears, however now that he’s in the game for good now I think we will get at least something in the coming months

[noble scarab]

You could also make a connection to Charon, the ferryman

[woven grail]

I mean, for what I understand they sterilize new female hunters. And we have seen male hunters try to do very creepy things

A very dev tagline about hunters is "They are not good people"

[lean plaza]

As someone who isn't even gonna start on the lore really can someone tell me about phantom cus he's my favorite legendary

[slim hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/grimace-clint-eastwood-gran-torino-yuck-eww-gif-4412827

Seeing new lore eugh….

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[woven grail]

Crazy Lawyer, Uses mask to scare people, Had a fight with an Irish woman.

[lean plaza]

Why did he fight Irish woman

Also what happened to his arm

[junior pecan]

It was a trick of the eyes ess.

Frankly me and the others shouldve seen it when BoW came out and said a whole lot of nothing.

[slim hatch]

After they made each hunt into 'infinite loop respawn BS' and dropped the Unreliable Narrator i was done for with it.

[junior pecan]

There was never really anything of substance, that was of our creation, using the themes and plot points given.

[slim hatch]

Originally each hunt was nothing more but retelling of the same event from unreliable narrator

But when original writing team was replaced the lore took a nose-dive.

[junior pecan]

Ive moved on to my own derivative project, but I still like to lurk here just to shake my head at the continued failures of it all.

[slim hatch]

I occasionally peek in to see how far this place has devolved back to 'president's daughter' case

The good news is, it's still not "I want to see X gun in the game"

But we are close.... to daughter case.

[junior pecan]

Its weird how it cycles. The fact that these iterations of lore enthusiasts learn absolutely nothing from the previous iterations shows how little concrete information there is.

[slim hatch]

It's not only that mentality hasn't changed.

Or maybe it regressed.

Instead of meticulous distilling, asking questions etc. and engaging with writing team to get glimpses of the truth like it used to be everyone comes up with their own interpretation sprinkled with potentially own ideas and biases...

I've a recent example but I'll get into trouble for referring to it and what I see wrong with it so I'll give a hint The Kid.

[junior pecan]

I would be fine with the biased theory crafting if it had an outcome, if theories were tested against new pieces of lore and a picture began to form, but instead the whole story just gets murkier and murkier

[slim hatch]

I think they gave up on crafting a story and just throw in tid bits of trivia

[junior pecan]

Clearly, long ago

[slim hatch]

Anyone remembers Modern Day AHA Arg?

[junior pecan]

I remember the graffiti but it was already retconned by the time I saw it I think

[slim hatch]

There was also a bit of a modern-day researcher looking into Louisiana events

[junior pecan]

Theyve somewhat rehashed that with the custom ammo entries

[slim hatch]

And gradually starting to see more and more of the scriptures.

[woven grail]

I thought that the ammo entries were a modern iteration, or at least 1977

I do think the new stories are kind of lame

[woven grail]

I haven't actually seen the writing team around

I did scroll up a bit

And seen that they actually they were a bit active

[junior pecan]

Essence is talking about ‘18 and real early ‘19 iirc. You’d have to scroll more than a bit

Pre-retcon stuff

[woven grail]

I scrolled by searching

So it was more like, I was looking for entries.

[slim hatch]

Yep when Fasih was Lead Writer

[junior pecan]

#lore-discussion-hardcore maybe

[slim hatch]

That was pre-release

Yep those times

[junior pecan]

Nostalgic shit.

[slim hatch]

Good ol' days.

[junior pecan]

Alright I’ve got a question for you. What was intriguing to you about the lore. Was it the nature of the louvent and all the implicated actors and factions surrounding it? Or was it something else like the ARG-ish nature of uncovering it?

Cause it was definitely the former for me but I gotta find out if its different per person

[slim hatch]

Nah it was the fact that what we could uncover and verify against original team was established as a fact or "Most probably true"

Yeah unreliable narrator actually made us trace data and see what intersects (which in analysis means higher probability of truth)

and then craft a sensible theory and verify it against team or look for more clues.

And as we understood the Hunt world more more and more kinda fell into place / came together

[vapid vault]

Chary is definitely giving off big crossroad demon vibes.

[lean plaza]

I would read a Hunt lore book if it was like the halo books y'know?

[junior pecan]

If, say after 1.5 years, the big lore questions were answered and the new lore questions shifted towards new persons and events further in the future or past than the immediate vicinity of the louvent, would it still be interesting?

[slim hatch]

Yeah i think so.

[vapid vault]

lore on legendary hunters: I sleep
lore on the sculptor and how his dimension and corruption works: REAL SHIT

[lean plaza]

I have a question

Who is putting bounties on the bounty demons and why?

[junior pecan]

Only theory I’ve ever heard on it was my own. Its a communication device used by the sculptor to control all of the grunts, armoreds, hives, immolators, and meatheads from another reality. Naturally such a device would be useful to those who cannot manufacture it.

Let me see if I can find the document

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RQLkkZ3kSmtl9yG7zmkFiguyxOzuMkung-VXjtKKcY8/edit

Second half of this^ document. But theres a lot of context in the first.

Its just a theory though, dont take it for fact, its just the only explanation I know of.

[lean plaza]

Thank you

I read all of that and

I wish I could understand what any of it meant

[amber harbor]

wasn't there something about immortality at one point? Or was it just a rumour

[junior pecan]

That was some theories dealing with why AHA wants them. It wasn’t mine and it was never committed to documentation afaik.

[junior pecan]

So the shot they give hunters separates their souls from their bodies and punts it into the sculptor’s realm.

Dark sight is a technique to measure distance between the body and the soul. If you didnt have the shot, dark sight wouldnt do anything, but because hunter’s have their souls on the other side, they see its “light” shining through the small holes between realities we call clues.

The bounty is like a spiritual radio. It lets you see the other side using your soul, which lets you see the souls of anyone else who has taken the shot, which can then be used to estimate their position on earth.

[lean plaza]

Who is they and how could they make a shot to destroy the soul

Not destroy

Remove

[junior pecan]

If you look in the caldwell pax entries youll see a secondhand account of how its made.

AHA manufacturers make it by tricking demons into traveling to our reality (so they can eat corpses), and then catch those demons and use their bodies to recreate that dimension hopping ability

[lean plaza]

Ah interesting

Who is the sculptor

[junior pecan]

The dude responsible for the events depicted in game.

We literally know nothing else about him, just that he’s the cause

[lean plaza]

As like

A god or he made a plague or what

[junior pecan]

We have no idea

All we know is he’s responsible, and his name is a classification, not a title

[lean plaza]

That

Does not explain anything

What is corrupting a soul

[junior pecan]

No clue

[lean plaza]

Not that I'm upset at you just confused

[junior pecan]

Im upset to. Thats what me and essence were talking about. Games been out for like 3 or 4 years now and they havent even given us a crumb of lore on him.

Just a bunch of plausibly deniable stories of hunters doing morally wrong things

[lean plaza]

So where the legendary hunters just like murderers before all the hunt stuff happened or something

[junior pecan]

Ye

And during

Some are vigilantes at best but most are firmly in the general category of “murderer”

[lean plaza]

Vigilantes against like crimes?

[junior pecan]

Yeah. Some are straight up murderers and others are just murderers of murderers.

But obviously the difference is slim in these conditions

[lean plaza]

I see

I assume phantom is either a vigilante or a cruel murderer

From the trial thingy I read

[sick harbor]

I highly doubt the redneck was a murderer before he joined

[marsh crest]

I'm not sure where Hardin fits there because he was a legitimate lawman before the plague hit and did offer prisoners their freedom if they helped him.

On the other hand, the man sent kids into the hellhole we call the bayou with nothing but Winfields and knives.

Either way, hunters are NOT nice people regardless of how you look at it.

[lean plaza]

The worst of situations brings out the best in people

Well I mean the hunt is like them doing a slightly positive thing

Killing other hunters is killing people who knew they where gonna have to fight others

[woven grail]

You can classify hunters into 4 neat categories, Outlaws, Lawmen, Weirdos and Kind of normal people maybe.

[noble scarab]

Outlaws: Gunslinger, Monroe, The Rat?, Black Coat,

Lawmen: Hardin, Brewer

Weirdos: Devil's Advocate, Gator man, Headsman, CAIN, beast hunter, monroe (again), Felis, Revenant (before and after) Preacher Man

90% are just weirdos

[drowsy canopy]

I would have a 5th category: Fanatics, Zealots, Cultists but I think Fanatic fits best

[drowsy canopy]

Another Category I would have is "Mercenary" people who are in the AHA for their own interests academic, financial, scientific IE those who use the AHA as a means to an end

people like Red Shirt, The Researcher, and Carter are all in this camp

[woven grail]

Ok so.

Outlaws
Lawmen
"The most dungerous hunt"
Non western
Fanatics
Researchers
Weirdos

They are at different ñevels for the money, so money isn't really a good classifier

And talking about non western

I want my turban wearing, scimitar wiealding, bushy bearded Otoman fanatic as a legendary skin.

[noble scarab]

We need a Sinners legendary

and someone from BATS

[fallow gorge]

I'd nut if they ever add the twins, finch, or huff

[upbeat kiln]

YES

[upbeat kiln]

Well, the twins are technically in the game, right? They follow Brewer through the Darkness trailer

[woven grail]

Are they? I mean, I see no snake lady anywhere

[upbeat kiln]

One of The two Girls that follows Brewer uses a hand crossbow like the one standing over the dead Black Coat. The other uses a sledgehammer. Could be coincidence, I just assumed it was them

[noble scarab]

I think they’re technically them, but it’d be cool to have separate and proper legendaries rather than just tier 3s

[granite shard]

The twins along with Allison would be sick

Since her description in the story is awesome (lost a leg and something grew back, super scarred, etc)

[noble scarab]

Its interesting that we have a lot of their gear in game, like Alison's Winnie, Huff's Dolch, Lynch's machete, etc

[woven grail]

The twins knives

[real hinge]

I’m working on a lore video about the phantom this week - hopefully finished by the weekend.

[lean plaza]

Oh share it with me when you do please

[real hinge]

Will do 👌

[lean plaza]

Thank you

[lunar sky]

Lemme get this straight a evil entity cursed Louisiana. And a group called the AHA fights the curse. Legendary hunters are just hunters that did legendary feats.
Am I correct so far

[noble scarab]

more or less

Its not just Louisiana, thats just the current invasion

[lean plaza]

Question

What did Louisiana do to deserve being cursed

It seems rather rude

[worldly copper]

it had voodoo culture

where else in the US that isn't new orleans

[drowsy canopy]

Louisiana may have just been extremely unlucky or was the site of an Ancient Native America 'evil blocking seal' that has only recently been unlocked by the growth of settlements in the Bayou

couple other factors too, the poor conditions of the Bayou made it easy to spread the Sculptors plague and it was isolated enough while being populace enough that a lot of people could get infected without news leaking right away

there was probing attacks in other places

I have also considered Louisiana was chosen because as a means of Manipulating AHA head Doctor Huff who worked in the area and decided the outbreak made for a perfect place to perform research

which may or may have not been the Sculptor's plan

[noble scarab]

Huff was kinda fucked up like that

[dry pumice]

That would be amazing

[ripe inlet]

I think i want Janissary legendary. but its off by 70-80 years.

[dry pumice]

It's a shame that there was a legendary hunter concept art contest and none of the winning submissions were ever added

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/hunt-showdown-x-marvelous-designer-contest-winners

Of course, not the exact things but reimaginations by the hunt designers

[wintry root]

Damn some of these are really good

[grizzled pilot]

John Voelkel and John Victor are the same person? Or did l mess something up? I think empty cairn (mosin bayonet skin) refered to him as Voelkel and mosin weapon entries called him Victor

[woven grail]

Huff, didn't choose shit, and as far as I can see, he tried to stop it, nothing he did made the bayou worse. Huff Is a PoS for a lot of reasons, but outright genocide is not one of them.
He used both W.Salter and Lemonier as experiments, used mentally ill people as an army, tried to assassinate his competition, probably sent several hunters to recover whatever was at both the cold and the hot house (In which they died until the twins appeared), probably did other things that are undocumented.
The entity classified as a sculptor didn't choose in a human way. It doesn't seem to think like you or me.

[noble scarab]

I think they’re supposed to be the same person. Is the lore page for him from BATS? That’d explain the name change

[wintry root]

Who the hell is Mr. Orwell Chary? Does he have any presence in the lore at all, or is he just a name for the event booster shop / random rewards / lootbox scheme?

[grizzled pilot]

Dont even know what that means haha
You said he is one of the sinners you just assume he is one cuz of that thing about him damning himself or l just missed a lore entru about him?
He was also the guy who encountered spider right?

[woven grail]

Not so far

[wintry root]

thought so

thank you

[woven grail]

Also, I do find the name ironic

Someone named Chary just bombastically doing these grand events

[wintry root]

for someone who's name is so close to "charity" I doubt his intention is to do literally any of that

(seeing as I believe him to be the lootbox vendor if the game goes f2p or the monetization is pushed more)

[woven grail]

Oh no

[wintry root]

Well, Dennis couldnt give an answer as to whether or not the game is going F2P

and all the recent changes to the monetization seem to be pointing that way.

[visual finch]

Use this channel for lore, not for speculation about scheme and such, thanks.

[noble scarab]

BATS or Bad As They Seem is a series of stories written by a dime novelist that wasn’t known for being all that accurate with his retelling. He changed some names around and probably fudged some details about things, but in some cases he’s all we have to go on.

The Sinners are a group of Muslim Hunters, come to the bayou to cleanse it of its corruption, they believe themselves damned but hope for redemption by killing monsters. John Victor or Voekel had joined their group at some point. And I think it was another dude who first ran into the spider.

[grizzled pilot]

kk thanks for the info and the lore page for him is someone interviewing him dont remember who exactly and cant really check atm but its definetly not BATS but he claimes that he read about himself in some book maybe that was made by Collins or whatever the guy from BATS was called

[grizzled pilot]

oh l checked and it seems that it was indeed John Victor who encountered spider, not sure if he was the first to do so, probably not, but yeah he did run into it

he is a very cool character although quite confusing

[woven grail]

Half the cast.

[earnest jungle]

I tried to look it up but could find very little. It appears to be a dutch-german name so that could explain the different spellings. Victor is likely an anglicization of Voelkel/Voekel

[grizzled pilot]

Thats a cool little theory but since Voelkel (as far as l know) appears only in empty cairn's description so it might just be a mistake or they decided later on that they like Victor more idk which came first or maybe they just wanted to tigh him with character from spider lore

[woven grail]

Asylum Massacre?

The only reference to something happening at the Asylum that I can find is a firel.

[noble scarab]

I think Monroe’s short lore blurb mentions it. Basically they just were slaughtering the prisoners I think

[woven grail]

I almost finished my lore video I just need to put the ending blurb. But you know its my first attempt at a video longer than 10 minutes

(well a few seconds longer than 10 minutes)

But yeah

[valid dove]

Is there much lore on Mountain Man other than the three brothers tale

[woven grail]

Mope

Well, His weapons and his Skin Description.

[frank bobcat]

I will say, thematic hooks are going to motivate the story telling in hunt, ignoring them isn't going to lead to greater understanding.

[visual finch]

Thematic hooks are a thing. Lootboxes theory are another.

[frank bobcat]

Story telling intent matters

Setting up a character as a foil for design choices has always been a thing.

The character who turns to the camera and promotes the sponsors product or whatever.

The 100bb daily top end purchase is a loot box, it's being presented thematically

You need to earn 7500 7000 bloodline xp to earn the right

That's some dark patterns type shit

Refusing to acknowledge it makes us complicit

[visual finch]

Again, that's some conspiracy theory that have nothing to do with the lore.

[wintry root]

It's got to do with the fact that (not only is the system very devious, but also that...) it doesn't seem to have a lore basis and was seemingly created by someone who did not communicate any of it to the writer(s).

I base this theory off the fact that we've had Mr. Chary during the previous event, and that new weapons with lore page have been added since. Yet there seems to be no mention of Chary in any new internal or external material when there could easily have been.

We don't know what his deal is, why he needs our blood, and what his job is in general. He isn't mentioned by any other characters either, like he doesn't even exist in-lore.

Just another criticism of the lootbox system (the 4th reward is a LOOTBOX and this is an undisputable fact), but from a lore angle.

And why are we so hostile to a 2 paragraph explanation of the new system when entire pages of felisposting went by without any sort of warning?

This trigger-happy behavior from the mod team is just elevating my concerns over the game's (and with it, the lore's) future.

[winter basalt]

Did I do something wrong with posting the Terminus lore? If so I'm sorry, didn't know it wasn't okay.

[wintry root]

No, why would you say that?

I'm talking about the shitposting that followed. Not the actual discussion.

Speaking of, the entire goblin fiasco. Why didn't we get a warning then (unless I forgot)? That was off topic and clearly trolling.

[winter basalt]

Okey sorry, just misunderstood.

[wintry root]

No worries

[random lava]

this is 1: not really the place to discuss this and 2. I am pretty sure nobody got warned now either

there was just a nudge to try and keep it ontopic here. Contributors aren't mods 🙂

back to lore? 😄

[wintry root]

We just got soft warnings from AmonDab. We didn't get anything like that during much longer periods of off topic discussions, and I'm concerned that you lot may be overprotective of the new systems for some reason.

But yeah back to lore.

Which Mr Chary doesn't seem to be a part of.

[random lava]

I have seen your concerns yes, but developers don't tell any contrib or mods what to warn people for. they just follow the discord server rules 🙂

other than that things get missed people have lives. back when I was mod I could have missed something that happened 2 mins ago and warn someone for something similar now, doesn't mean that the other things was ok. It just happens.

Nobody is being targeted for speaking about any sort of topic. Aslong as you follow the rules of the server everything is fine

[wintry root]

Thank you for the assurance.

[woven grail]

Okis

I like the Sistem so far. Chary tho, needs a blog entry or something like that, like we know more of literal nobodies like Redshirt, and Chary seems to be more important and we only know that he is there to give you stuff

Is he the devil himself? Maybe

Hope we get a Trident

Not to insult all those redshirt lovers

[visual finch]

Sorry if i seemed too mod-like, i just like to keep argument in the right places. I would love to catch up with the lore and i'm trying to slowly read everything (i first read it before the 1.0 release so i'm a bit rusty)

[woven grail]

Btw, nice Carmageddon pfp

[visual finch]

About Chary... well, maybe we'll have some more info sooner or later, i love misterious character like him

Also, about Redshirt, i love the fact that he have so little lore. Sometimes characters are cool because they are simple

[woven grail]

Oh, no I am not saying that Redshirt needs more lore, there are characters that are just periferal to everything, Redshirt is kinda like Skinflint or the plague doctor. They look interesting but they don't need a 10 page lore dump. Although I would love to read it.

[visual finch]

Periferal is the right term

But yes i would love some short stories about those

[random lava]

Redshirt is a perfect hunt chad

[visual finch]

true that.

Him and the Redneck.

[fresh cosmos]

Is there a reason hunter's are killing each other going for these bounties? Is it just "I'm gonna be the only SoB bringing that bounty home" ordeal or something?

[woven grail]

Two reasons

A) Hunters like money

B) After the death of the association head Philip Huff Jones the AHA was left acefalus and thus everyone wants to be on top for their own reasons. It's a little hunter civil war.

A(bis) ) also some of them are there for killing people

[visual finch]

And if i remember correctly, now there's more than one faction

[woven grail]

At least 3

[tired spear]

Do we have any intel on who F. B. "Nebraska" Wiley is?
Sheriff Hardin has him on a warrant (in the small parish prison next to Lower Desalle) so I thought that he might have some importance lore-wise

[random lava]

Failspawner first prestige 100

[tired spear]

Oh, really?

That's hella cool

[noble scarab]

If I recall correctly, even the small bounty alone is worth about 2500$ in todays money, which doesn’t even account for other stuff they’d collect like clues, cash registers, or other money obtained

[wintry root]

i dont think clues pay. that seems like a game thing to me, because clues dont give you anything that you could use to prove you closed one

[woven grail]

They pay

[vestal bridge]

I think they're similar to rifts that are getting closed for anti-corruption reasons

[upbeat kiln]

sounds like something Lynch would pay you for - not Huff lol

[earnest jungle]

Finch is the one paying out bounties: collecting clues could be part of his research or it could be a consolation prize of some kind.

[grizzled pilot]

well after reading BATS lm not sure if she would be happy about closing rifts

[wintry root]

as long as one is left for her to slink back where she came from, she'd probably be more than happy. they're not her rifts afterall.

provided she is actually what BATS says she is.

[upbeat kiln]

haha true, but @wintry root also makes a valid point

[grizzled pilot]

yeah he does

[wintry root]

btw @upbeat kiln thanks for the awesome videos

[upbeat kiln]

My pleasure. They're so much fun to make.

[wintry root]

watching "the ultimate experience" rn, im fucking dying lol

[toxic vapor]

Yeah @upbeat kiln I stumbled across your channel just in the fall, love it and it's part the reason I got back I to Hunt

[wintry root]

the name's not a misnomer

[upbeat kiln]

So glad to hear that ❤️

[tawdry sand]

I've got questions regarding the Latin in the last lore entry for the grunts. Now, I've taken quite a bit of Latin, but I don't know if there's a grammar concept I'm missing or the latin is just wrong. Transcribed, it reads:

Propter Ala Et Amini Caeli Et Qui Habitati Sine I Suae Terrae Et Mari Quia Descendit Diabolus Ad Vos Habens Iram Magnem Sciens Quod Modicum Tempus Habet

Take, for instance, "Propter." This preposition takes the accusative case. If "Ala" is accusative, though, it would be accusative plural, meaning "garlics," roughly. Amini Caeli is not accusative, either. "I" located early on is an imperative, but no vocative subject has been identified, so it feels out of place. Without any kind of punctuation or good faith that this is grammatically correct Latin, here's the translation I've come up with, which is mostly nonsense:

"On account of both the wing(singular) and spirits of the sky who have been living without(?), go(imperative) to your own(reflexive adjective) land and sea because Satan(diabolus) descended toward you having great anger (this part is confusing) knowing what little time he has."

So. Barely sensible. Is my translation wrong, or is the Latin wrong? Thanks.

[woven grail]

Yeah, I got to know your channel and it kinda made me want to make lore videos also. I tried but I guess you can't just pump videos and expect to people to just come.

[woven grail]

I would say that Hayden Collins is not a reliable source to anything and also its the only source to anything related to Lynch so its kind like how do you even talk about lynch if you only got the boogieman created by that dude.

[noble scarab]

Its all we have regarding some things, but we know these people did exist and at least do things from other sources.

[grizzled pilot]

thats a fair point

l mean undead bird person fighting giant snake is quite a strech

[woven grail]

For example, one thing I touch on my video, On at BATS, Lynch is played as the assassin of Huff. But at the same time the Newspaper doesn't say that Huff was stabbed. The account tells that he was shot from outside the hospital.

Its not that i don't think that Lynch is a weirdo that goes around murdering people that ate the last piece of pizza.

[grizzled pilot]

why would the twins want him dead? l mean it seemed from BATS as if they didnt like him much

[woven grail]

Nobody liked Huff

Like literally you can't find a soul that like Huff (maybe Finch)

[noble scarab]

I agree that BATS isnt a reliable source and should be ignored in cases where we have other sources, but it is useful in cases where we have nothing else

Finch probably only liked Huff because he was paying him tbh

[woven grail]

That is why my theory that he was killed by Caldwell is still maybe there.

Possible.

[noble scarab]

It'd make sense

Wasn't Caldwell eventually killed by the dude from the Vetterli lore?

[woven grail]

Yes

[grizzled pilot]

yeah maybe l dont really see why twins would do it (keep in mind l didnt read the ingame account about that)

[woven grail]

I like that I found someone that thinks the same than me, but only one person in 2019

[noble scarab]

the twins werent the ones to kill Huff, its actually one of the reasons they started to distrust Lynch (per BATS)

which probably isnt accurate

[woven grail]

The other reason I don't think it was Lynch is because it doesn't make sense that Nellie Crown was there.

She should be either dead or severely injured.

[grizzled pilot]

yeah and the way BATS describe it make Lynch look really childish imo

[woven grail]

Yeah, I wish we got another view from Lynch

[noble scarab]

I could see Lynch being semi childish, or at least like petulant

[grizzled pilot]

she doesnt sound like someone to throw useful resources so carelessly

[woven grail]

Like that is the only problem. We really don't know.

Because the only person that writes about Lynch is Collins, the other person that wrote about Lynch is That guy from Hardin.

And it was like "Hardin told me that things haven't been the same since lynch was here" and then had a letter on how Lync hand Hardin were together at the start of the thing.

[grizzled pilot]

who tf even is collins l mean he knows a lot of things regardless if he talks out of his ass

[woven grail]

Well, what I know is that the Research Notes don't think of him a reliable. but at the same time they are like "Fuck, is the only thing we have"

[icy brook]

I can’t recall if the phantom’s saga is first person, if so he did write about lynch to some degree

[woven grail]

Ah yeah it is

[icy brook]

And I would consider his own account reputable

[drowsy canopy]

The Phantom's saga maybe embellished but would generally be accurate to what was occuring. BATS is strange, it feels like there are relevant parts about it but it simply cannot be considered an accurate account of events only a loose historical fiction.

[grizzled pilot]

Also about Collins
Some of the things he claims seem almost too ridiculous to be completly fabricated
I mean at the very least the guy did interview some ppl who knew what they were talkint about

[grizzled pilot]

On what weapons can u find his saga? Besides winnie vandal

[drowsy canopy]

its all Vandal Enteries

[grizzled pilot]

Alright thanks

[woven grail]

In the end, my anti Collins propaganda bears fruit.

[drowsy canopy]

Collins was a pulp writer his version of Lynch is likely a romanticized and perhaps even occultsized version of the real woman

[woven grail]

I like the story in which Lynch searches a man that got a bounty first and then shoots the lawyer of the man.

After ,well ,bringing him to the plaza wearing a bear trap as a hat.

[grizzled pilot]

Yeah and this story kinda makes her killing Huff more plausible cuz it makes her look really petty and vindictive

[icy brook]

I do wish we could have a reliable source for her powers

I suppose the phantom and his prosthesis is some indication of her power

[tawdry sand]

So no word on the Latin, eh?

[sudden glacier]

I'll ask my friend

[woven grail]

I can barely read English

[noble scarab]

so i've kinda tried to put it into some translators but because i don't speak Latin and its all smashed together it really doesnt make any sense

It appears to be some kind of probably protective incantation

PROPTEREALAETAMINICAELIETQVIHABITATSINEISVAETERRAEETMARIQVIADESCENDITDIABOLVSADVOSHA

BENSIRAMMAGNEMSCIENSQVODMODICVMTEMPVSHABET

its got something to do with devils, diabolvus, so i'd still wager its protective in nature

or religious

[woven grail]

Its Apocalypsis 12:12

But in Latin

Find your local bible and find out what it means

[noble scarab]

For which rejoice, heavens, and you who dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the land and the sea! for the devil has come down to you with great wrath, knowing that his time is short.

[woven grail]

Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

I think the dude was thinking he was going through Rapture?

[noble scarab]

i guess that'd make sense

also Revelations is the english name of that chapter

[woven grail]

Oh sorry, I am a spanish speaker, I know it as Apocalypsis at first instinct

[noble scarab]

its all good, I didn't know the chapter names were translated so differently in the Spanish versions

[woven grail]

Well For example

Mateo is Mathew

Pablo is Paul and so on and so forth.

[noble scarab]

interesting

those names translate pretty much directly

[woven grail]

Anyways, Mystery solved. Give us praise.

[sudden glacier]

my friend translated it as

"Because of Ala and herself calling and those who live without 1 of their land and sea because the devil descended to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has a little time"

[woven grail]

We already solved it, it is revelations 12:12

[sudden glacier]

ah, I'm bad at reading

[noble scarab]

I haven't seen it posted yet, so here's the Lebel Aperture

[versed wedge]

Question, where's all the holy water, crosses and usual godly stuff that you use to banish the Bounties? Or is it something else entirely more occult?

[wintry root]

Entirely more occult

[versed wedge]

Which occult exactly? The lovecraftian occult or something? Doesn't match any of the more mystical stuff I know, it might even be aliens.

[visual finch]

another-dimension occult. Some Voodoo here, some witchcraft there...

[versed wedge]

Ah, then hellraiser type occult then.

[visual finch]

Kinda-ish too

One of the fact that i love more is that the belief of 1895 were a lot centered on biblical thing, so they tended to give a lot of biblical reference to the thing they saw, even if in the end what they call The Devil could something inimmaginable and totally far from what they believe

[humble rune]

Anyone can explain how did revenant can maintain his consciousness despite being a grunt?

[woven grail]

He is not a grunt

He is an entirely different bag of worms

If you ever go to pearl plantation you will see a pocker table in which one person cheated. It is assumed that the dude got shot there for cheating and then some weird voodoo goddess revived them.

[woven grail]

Well, there are a lot of references calling whatever entered this world as Beelzebub rather than the devil.

[visual finch]

Isn't it at lower desalle?

[woven grail]

Reused assets?

I remember seeing it at the second floor of pearl plantation

I found it there and also that someone had discovered relativity 50 years before Einstein in the plantation

I am at work right now

So can't check

[visual finch]

I'll check

[humble rune]

despite looking like a zombie ? i see

i need more xplanation about that

[woven grail]

He does look like a zombie, but looks different from
A grunt.

He walks different and I assume that he might even speak

And also, a grunt needs a lot more that just revive. Their hearts are filled with insects, their body it's basically a hive of maggots

The revenant reminds me more of the DnD version of the revenant, an spirit revived only to get revenge

Instead of the eastern European version that is more like a vampire

[humble rune]

I see, that makes sense mate

[real hinge]

I think the revenant was brought back to life through voodoo ritual (videos suggest either night seer or bone doctor - can’t remember which but probably the latter) so very different to how grunts are created - it’s believed the original consciousness of the human is trapped inside their bodies with no control but fully aware of what’s happening. Whereas the revenant appears to be fully conscious and in control…albeit slightly dead 😅

[woeful cloud]

Or the revenant is actually a proper voodoo zombie, and controlled like a puppet by a completely separate will/entity. A distant being that sends precise instructions to the undead body of what to do or what to say... for example through devices like a keyboard, mouse and microphone, or a gamepad. 😉

[real hinge]

Haha yeah that’s also possible 😂 I was like ooh that sounds really interesting…nice punchline though 👌😂

[lean plaza]

I love just randomly reading bits of stuff here and it making no sense bc I lack any context

[tawdry sand]

Well, there ya go. The issue was I had transcribed it wrong, because it's written with no spaces, which is pure nonsense.

Looking at the Latin Vulgate, I can see all the words I got wrong, lmao.

[noble scarab]

It’s in Pearl, you can find the knocked over chair and a pool of blood with his hand of cards there

[woeful cloud]

Since a possible early discovery of relativity was mentioned, I'll share something I've been wondering. Not sure what the etiquette is regarding spoiling easter eggs, so I'll start by trying to be rather vague. And even so, just in case, EASTER EGGS SPOILER ALERT:

||There's a couple of elements spread out in the Hunting Grounds, that reference a well-known sci-fi film franchise. I'm pretty sure they were meant as purely fun easter eggs, with no greater significance. But I was wondering if anyone has ever made an attempt at connecting them to the actual lore of the game? At the very least, that could be fun. For example, some theoretical actions by the film characters, using their technology, could have caused the world of Hunt to be an off-shoot parallel universe of ours, and I wonder if even the paranormal creatures and phenomena that populate it could somehow be caused/influenced by such advanced technology.||

[noble scarab]

I really can’t imagine someone would be upset over an Easter egg that’s been in since Lawson was added

But I don’t think they have anything to do with lore, it’s just references, same with Shrek on Desalle and the ufo. Crytek just likes those films and it’s a western themed game so It makes sense for the Lawson Easter eggs

[woven grail]

SHrek in Desalle?

What?

[noble scarab]

Yea, his whole shack and yard is in the very bottom left corner of the map

A meathead and mini horse can spawn there

[woven grail]

pfff

Ok hilarious.

[noble scarab]

There’s a ufo near Kingsnake, lodged in a mountain, a big cowboy pumpkin that im not sure where, there’s the monolith that’s near Bolden

Might be more but those are the ones I can recall

[woven grail]

Yeah I saw the Pumpkin and the Monolith but never thought anything about it.

I thought the monolith was about those monoliths that some artists put there to go like "OHHHHHH ALIENS" for a few weeks until they were discovered

[noble scarab]

That’s what it’s referencing

[woven grail]

But yeah, I do think it must be a reference to some sci fi movie which I don't know, the relativity thing.

[noble scarab]

It’s Back to the Future III

The Halloween trailer from this year even parodies it, with the researcher being Doc and Marty being the Kid

[woven grail]

Oh I am talking of a different blackboard

I saw the one you are talking about

[noble scarab]

Oh I gotcha

[tawdry sand]

I thought it was a 2001: A Space Odyssey reference

But, now that I look at it, you're right, theyre not the same

[tired spear]

i believe there's also a e=mc² in Parish

[rotund ferry]

Bro same

[lean plaza]

Nice

Bro you got a pet rat?

[lean plaza]

@rotund ferry do you have a pet rat

[rotund ferry]

No

[lean plaza]

Damnnn

[rustic hearth]

rats are true sigma animals

[lean plaza]

True

[visual finch]

Keep this channel for lore, pet rat fits into offtopic

[lean plaza]

Are there no rats in the lore?

Genuine question actually like do rats spread the disease or is it even a spread disease

[jovial basin]

not an infection but corruption

crows are associated with the sculptor

and insects

so, to a longer extend rats on the basis of fleas

[lean plaza]

Oh I get the joke but I have no idea who that is

[jovial basin]

the rat

[lean plaza]

Oh cool

[noble scarab]

Ratposting

[vapid vault]

Meanwhile, the real culprits walk scott free: 🦆 🦆 🦆 🦆 🦆

[woven grail]

You never seen an infected duck.

[lean plaza]

It's bc they're good at hiding it duh

[grizzled pilot]

they dont suffer the symptoms but spread the plague thats why water devils dont eat them

[lean plaza]

Actually it's bc the water devil likes his aquatic friend and they play cards on the weekends duhhhhh

[grizzled pilot]

sorry mb XD

[woven grail]

Water devil's are smarter than they look

They look like worms but act like they have other ways to identify people other than ripples In the water

[fresh cosmos]

The water devils just think the duckies are cute, nothing more nothing less

[lean plaza]

Exactly

[inner bough]

This has probably been discussed already, but does anyone have a clue how long ago from the time of the game the infection in Louisiana actually started? Its hard to find clues about this and the little sources I found were vague and contradictory

[woven grail]

100% chongus wholesome breathtaking moment.

[woven grail]

Well, I have a video (My only one) And I have to think that it started between Spring or Winter of 1894.

1895 already happened in game and Right now ingame we are in 1896 with the apperance of the scrapbeak

[inner bough]

but it can't be the first time the sculptor (or some other force) created an infection/plague like this, when the AHA supposedly dates back to the 17th century, right? There must've been earlier paranormal incidents in this universe I think

[woven grail]

Well, we don't really know how long it dates back. But there is a mention of a Poltergeist.

[inner bough]

Im just wondering how much the history of the world of Hunt actually differs from reality. With the upcoming show it could be interesting to get some kind of timeline or get at least more lore to fill the gaps

[inner bough]

and i'd like to see that video

[woven grail]

Umm Well, I posted it in Media.

Its kinda of the history of the AHA.

From 1894 to 1895 so until the Leader dies.

[woven grail]

About that. The world doesn't change that much.

The West is basically the same

I don't think I found anything particularly different.

The Civil War.

Q: are hives strictly female in host body type? Or can men become hives as well.
A: So this connects to the answer about whether monsters are single occur. or multiples. As each creature originates from one particular person that is then trapped in that cycle, and the Hive was “built” from a woman, I would reckon yes, only women. We only have evidence of female Hives so far. But I can't say for sure we won't find evidence one day

Btw, the thing about Copies, It seems they are not exactly copies?

[rotund ferry]

The AHA has been around hunt is only covering the Louisiana infection there are other places that have been infected

[inner bough]

but the infection and thus the monsters must have been (at least partially) different, at least from the research Huff and others did on the infected it appears like don't have experience with these particular type of corrupted.
Maybe the last time the sculptor created monsters he made them completely different and the insect-theme that he seems to use with the monsters in the bayou is just his latest approach.

[woven grail]

We still have no idea what the "Sundering" is

[woven grail]

And yeah, Huff wouldn't need to watch Salter transform if he knew about it beforehand

[inner bough]

or maybe the AHA is so dedicated on holding these incidents secret to the outside (whilst profiting off them) that they hold knowledge back even to members of their group, so that no one knows too much. Meaning Huffs father might've known about this infection before but didn't told his Son about it, so that he had to find it out himself.

[woven grail]

There are multiple types of infections, it's even said that the sculptor is not the only entity in the bayou.

[versed wedge]

Do we know if they are co-operating? Or are they also colliding into each other and hampering the spread?

[severe mulch]

Is there a word doc of the different factions within Hunt showdown? If not, are the more factions other than the Voodoo Practitioners(Bone doctor, Weird sisters), Cristian Influence(The reverend), The Night Acolyte and finally The Night Seer?

[upbeat kiln]

The Sinners. Lynch's cell. Finch's cell. And I guess "The Law"

@severe mulch Love your videos btw ❤️

oh, and Night Acolyte and Night Seer are both part of the faction "Night of The Hunter"

[grizzled pilot]

Is there anything about sinners except whats this john something hunter mentiones?

[severe mulch]

I'm humble brother, really! Glad to see you enjoy my work

About Lynch's Cell, do you mean The Lynch and the sisters?

[upbeat kiln]

yeah, she has her own goons too

[severe mulch]

Her Goons?

[upbeat kiln]

haha yeah. she employs her own group of hunters

probably the last employer I would ever want 😄

[severe mulch]

How have I never read anything about this? Other than her dealings with Huff and the recruitment of the twins, I've always taken her to be a lone wolf with her own goals. Snaking her way through

[upbeat kiln]

It mentions that she brings other hunters to fight the Phantom. One of her hunters is also killed by the twins with a crossbow

[severe mulch]

You're probably referring to** bad as they seem** then. Might need to re-read that then.

Also by Finch's cell? Other than him being the gunsmith, never knew him to have his own group

[upbeat kiln]

Yeah about the twins. I think the part with the Phantom is in the Winfield Vandal lore - but I'm not sure. @earnest jungle or @noble scarab probably knows that.

[severe mulch]

In all, factions that we know of are Voodoo practitioners, Christian influence, The Doomsday Cult, The Night of the Hunter, The Sinners and the Law.

Don't think I can consider Lynch's Cell and Finch's cell as a faction. They seem more of a group, or Finch more of a business rather a Faction.

[upbeat kiln]

I agree.

[inner bough]

Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there supposedly also a conspiracy in the lines of the AHA of those who secretly don't want to stop the Sculptor because killing monsters (and Hunters) is very profitable? Though they don't have a name (yet) and maybe don't even act on an organised level, you could maybe call them a faction in a faction

[inner bough]

and thanks for pointing out @severe mulch 's channel, im currently delving deep into the Lore for a custom DnD Campaign and i'm happy to find more good content

[severe mulch]

Not that I'm aware of. As far as I've read the AHA as a whole including it's Founder Phillips Huff have always been the corrupt bunch and not what the fronts might appear. The AHA are as much of an entity as the Sculptor is, each for their own purpose and goals.

[severe mulch]

Also do let me know of that DnD campaign if you can in written form. Very interested to read of the world you come up with in DnD form.

[inner bough]

Yes, but there are also some Hunters - like Marshal Brewer for example, who actually want to stop the infection and also the corrupted AHA, as her description says "But, there was only one way into the AHA's inner circle, and only one way to fight the evil lurking there. It lost her an eye, her sobriety, and her public image, but her unknown legacy of fighting evil at its strongest was a price worth paying."

So maybe we should count the actually honorable Hunters as an own (very small) group haha

[upbeat kiln]

I think you can count honourable hunters on one hand. lol

[inner bough]

probably even a hand that has lost a few fingers to a grunt-bite

[real hinge]

Yeah I think there are hints at there being a “corruption” within the AHA leadership (not necessarily Huff but perhaps his “generals”), whether this refers to peoples just being blood thirsty hunters greedy for money or whether the sculptor has influenced some of the top members isn’t clear. Although There is mention of the AHA having dealt with a previous sculptor-esc being, poltergeists etc so can’t really see why everyone would want to see the sculptor continue to grow in power.

[real hinge]

Snap! I’ve got to run some one shots at my lgs next month and perhaps a hunt inspired one would be a nice change of pace.

[severe mulch]

Where are there mentions ofthis?

[real hinge]

I think a few start out believing they’re honourable (maybe Hardin) but then slowly fall from that category in to doing bad things (using kids as canon fodder) for the “right” reasons but losing all honour and humanity in the process

[severe mulch]

It is very clear that the Sculptor is not the only being in the Bayous though. Lynch being another and the Immolator being a completely solo Lwa being.

[real hinge]

I think it was in Brewers lore. Can’t remember where else I read it - may have been a theory that I got too caught up in 😅

[severe mulch]

One thing that confuses me is how the Immolator is considered a template for the Sculptor. As far as I've read the Immolator (or whatever the Immolator is) haunted the priest being tortured by one of the gangs. Resulting to what it is today. You can say The Immolator is an example of all haunted beings by Lwa, but can't see the connection with the Sculptor at all.

[real hinge]

Very true. It’s great to see there’s more than one being of power (not sure how else to describe them). I need to research the immolator more, but your video covers it perfectly.

[severe mulch]

Another thing that confuses me is how everyone thinks the twins murdered Huff, when it clearly was Lynch. Or how we still believe the AHA is not corrupt to the bone when all the AHA has done is hunt down bounties for profitable reasons, such as blood bonds which in return provides power to the users (aka The sight etc)

[real hinge]

Yeah it doesn’t fully fit with the insect/plague vibe of the sculptor. If anything fire is a weakness to the sculptors creations. I definitely like the idea that the immolator is the creation/influence of another loa. Yeah it’s very clear it was Lynch. I think there’s misleading stories in the lore that imply it was the twins (I also vaguely remember seeing a wanted poster for a man in connection with Huffs murder - I’ll try and find it again next game)
Yeah the AHA is fully corrupt, I think some people go in with the right intentions and then their worst side comes out. There’s also people like the reptilian who just wants to quench his blood lust through hunting monsters and other hunters 🤷‍♂️

[severe mulch]

It's interesting that you think Lynch was the cause of Immolator. Can you explain more of why you think that?

[real hinge]

Oh no sorry, I meant that it was clear Lynch killed Huff (that was my bad typing). Although, now thinking about it if she’s in opposition to the sculptor and is clearly prepared to do whatever it takes to win I guess it could be possible that she would be capable of using the priest to create the immolator as it’s fire based and the sculptors creations are weak to fire.

Complete guess work and probably very wrong, but maybe with some more research I could back it up a bit. maybe I’ll throw that theory in one of my future videos 🤷‍♂️

[upbeat kiln]

Wait what.. It's very clearly explained that it's Lynch that kills him

[severe mulch]

That I agreed, but many until now still think the twins are at hand.

[real hinge]

I think some people get confused because there’s that lore entry that’s more a “fictional story” that imply it was the twins.

[severe mulch]

Unless you're referring to bad as they seem, mind linking that fictional story?

[real hinge]

Yeah I’ll try and find it. I could be thinking of as bad as they seem. I’ll need to read it again.

Just remember there being an entry somewhere with someone implying it was the twins.

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Characters

So scroll down to the huff section, here it says it was the twins. Which I’m guessing is taken from a lore entry somewhere. But is obviously wrong.

[severe mulch]

Never thought of reading the Hunt wiki for lore xD I wonder if whoever wrote this included the twin's as a perspective from within the world and not the readers.

[inner bough]

The wiki is (sadly) very outdated in many ways

[severe mulch]

That could also be the case.

Wouldn't blame it either, since the devs(not the writers) don't show much love to the lore overall.

[real hinge]

I check there when looking for specific lore entries (as they have some and saves time loading the game 😅) but yeah it could have been a speculation about the twins

Probably a dumb question, but in the phantoms lore, who is the Irish woman that is mentioned?

[severe mulch]

Not sure. I generally don't delve much in the DLC lore (Or generally legendaries lore) aside from a few special mentions.

[real hinge]

I can see why, there’s a lot of gaps and vague unfinished stories. I initially thought she was one of the twins given the name of McGowan but doesn’t seem to fit

[inner bough]

completely different Topic: Since up until the early 1900s Cocaine was used as medicine for numerous things such as toothache or sleeping problems, what do you guys think about the theory that some of the Stuff the Hunters use, especially the Stamina Shot but also the Regeneration and Vitality Shot might contain Cocaine (or other drugs)? The description of their effects would support this theory ("feeling invincible" "induce manic euphoria")

also a hunters circulatory system could react to it totally differently with the blood ritual and all

[wise tree]

does anyone know where redshirt is from

thanks

[minor veldt]

form shooting range

[earnest jungle]

The Vandal does confirm that Lynch exists outside of the writings of Collins. The Phantom’s description of the Irish Woman matches Lynch to a T.

[real hinge]

Legend!! Thank you for clarifying!

[noble scarab]

He’s seemingly Mexican or Latino, but apparently worked as a rancher in Desalle before becoming a Hunter

[noble scarab]

We also do have some of her weapons and inventions in game as well. Though her machete description isn’t matched by what it’s BATS, which probably means that it’s an inconsistency on BATS side

She evidently invented the flash bomb, and maybe the bee jar? I forget that specific entry

[severe mulch]

As well as the outdated syringe the AHA used in the initiation ritual, before the new and updated one which also prevents conception came to be.

[noble scarab]

Hers is the new serum, the old didn’t prevent conception or grant dark sight

[severe mulch]

How would hers be the new serum? There's no known evidence as to how the newer version came to be, but only the serum from when Huff was still alive.

[noble scarab]

As far as we know, there’s multiple versions, an herbal one that only grants resistance to the corruption and then there’s hers, which she taught the AHA to create. Before that they were using either the herbal one, or something else. We know hers is recent because she taught the method to Hardin and then presumably sold it to Huff

[severe mulch]

You might be right actually. In that case women hunters must've been banned around late 1700's and late 1800's.

I see it now. Cheers.

[woven grail]

Bats is severely inconsistent in general

[noble scarab]

it do be

[edgy aspen]

What is the "panic of 1893"?
Not much specific I can find. The game is Southern Louisianna post plague/Showdown events taking over, but what was the panic?
Just the critical mass of people realizing something was not right?
Was it centered around a specific event? Like a mass murder, a huge fire? A newspaper article? A blur light?

[inner bough]

the panic of 1893 is real history, it was an 4 years long economic depression. But I dont know how it translates into the World of Hunt

[versed wedge]

The infection should be able to spread like a regular zombie appocalpyse right? How come nobody was stupid enough to try and smuggle some of it into a city or something and cause an outbreak? Or maybe they do and the AHA just burns down entire buildings and towns at the first sign?

[woven grail]

Well, Depends what you mean by smuggle it.

There is some instance of people bringing things outside of the zone and then burning them one they don't turn good.

[versed wedge]

Are Hivebombs infectious? Those seem to be a nightmare to contain.

And the infection has an incubation period right?

[woven grail]

2 Examples, in the letter of Hardin's cronies they bring out a couple of hands as trophies which end up killing one of them.

Well not, its pretty instant on most people.

There are some that go for longer like William Salter

The other example is that they bring out some armored plates and they end up burning it after it transform into Worms and Ash.

[versed wedge]

It seems like not all the infections are made equal. I imagine throwing a Hivebomb in a city would have instantly caused an outbreak but I guess not.

Wait they do. The Hives are super infectious.

[woven grail]

They are poisonous.

Doesn't really mean infectious.

Still it probably means that.

Also, there is the problem that you usually the hive the rest of the bees die.

So maybe it is something different.

[versed wedge]

Yeah, maybe the Hivebombs are captured from dead Hives and they can't cause infections on their own.

Hives definitely spawn outbreaks though as can seen from their lore, not sure how they are created but it looks like they can't be spammed so easily.

[drowsy canopy]

it seems the Hive Wasps are very very toxic... but not necessarily infectious... the corruption that causes the plague seems seperate from the venom of the hive wasps. It seems the venom merely accelerates the process of killing people leaving fresh bodies for the Sculptor to do his work with.

I specifically remember the hive's own Book of Monsters Enteries describe a Hunter losing an arm to the venom caused by hive wasps. I find it likely that the 'zombifcation' parts of the infection are seperate from the plague parts, the plague the venom and all the monsters being simply a means to create mroe fresh bodies to make into grunts and other monsters...

or simply zombies are not sick people they are literally reanimated corpses... the plague that killed them being incidental to the corpse part...

we do see regular bodies in the Bayou... but they are signifcantly more desiccated then grunts sometimes grunts can bee seen eating them... since grunts seem to need to eat I expect not all corpses were raised as grunts in order to feed the actual grunts

[noble scarab]

some of the grunts look pretty chewed on, so maybe some just reanimate after a bit

[drowsy canopy]

some of the bodies do resemble some of the grunts, perhaps even the corpses we find are food created by the sculptor... fresh meat left out to his other creations...

[versed wedge]

Do we have confirmation on what are the things Sculptor posses or shapeshifts into?

[drowsy canopy]

the Sculptor doesn't seem to have a particular form he does take motifs... in Bad As They Seem he is symbolized by the crow... I may also consider he is some sort of tree... with the twisted infection being branches of his body... the best answer though is that whatever 'form' he has is never seen.. The Sculptor never seems to even set foot on Earth simply reeaches his influence form whatever dimension he is occupying

[versed wedge]

Yeah, but the way he spreads his corruption seems to be very science based except for when he needs to pull off a masterpiece. Like he designed a demonic Emerald Wasp that works on humans and just let it create zombies everywhere without any supernatural power animating them.

[drowsy canopy]

the Sculptor doesn't seem to design masterpieces or even random entities on his own... he seems to jump pump corruption into humans until the desired result is achieved... most of his masterpieces were made for him by other humans he just gave them a most or animated them with his corruption... its like he is simply pumping his corruption into the Bayou and its inhabitants and picking the most successful results to be his minions...

[noble scarab]

the spider he more or less just fused together, the butcher was made, the assassin, was a Hunter previously, and Scrapbeak seems to have just more or less exploded out of the original guy

[woven grail]

Also there is the thing that the Sculptor is not the only one in the Bayour doing stuff

[noble scarab]

im guessing that a lot of these bigger incidents are more or less just brawls between interdimension entities

[versed wedge]

They may not be brawls, may just be their versions of Roblox and there's an interdeminsonal cable out there tracking their creations' kill count each round.

[versed wedge]

What's the signficance of the Hunt Showdown logo? The two crosses side by side?

[real hinge]

Can’t remember where but there’s mention the sculptor can possess humans. Whether this is like a mind control, or influencing behaviour or actual demonic possession isn’t clear

[inner bough]

This I think. to almost every monster there is some kind of tragic irony to it - a twisted punishment for their "sins" sometimes.

The Hive was a Mother who couldn't support for her many children, she became an queen, a mother and a home for the insects.
The two Hunters who spawned the Water Devils were gluttonous and ate rotten, infected meat, out of it came the most flesh-hungry being.
Hellhounds - Dogs are "mans best friend" so it would be fitting that they became a deadly predator with the sole goal of killing hunters.
Et cetera

[versed wedge]

So this serum that Lynch made, seems to be very potent and distilled from a spirit/'gods' that she trapped with a human sacrifice. Makes sense why it can counter the Sculptor and why it eventually kills the hunter. What was the AHA's previous methods that didn't sterilize females? Was it as occulty as Lynch's method?

[uncut parcel]

I think it's implied that the original version of the ritual involved the hunters devouring the meat of the demon? Where the current version distills the demon into a vaccination of sorts against possession

So it's kind of equivalent to how in Ye Olden Days vaccinations would just take the form of exposing yourself to infected tissue in the hopes that you'd get a lesser version of the disease

[versed wedge]

Lol, the old version was better if you just needed people to put on condoms. Maybe they should just give Lynch's serum to female hunters only? What other advantages does Lynch's version have anyway as it seems to be killing hunters as rapidly?

[inner bough]

the sterilisation is not coming from the serum i think, its a different one that the AHA added themselves to prevent further incidents as with the meathead

[uncut parcel]

It's also vastly more replicable. Back in the day making hunters was a long and involved process involving disparate rituals for every hunter

[inner bough]

Lynchs serum gives dark sight I think

[uncut parcel]

Now, you do the one ritual, you churn out a bunch of serums from the one human sacrifice/demon, and you can outfit a lot of hunters on the cheap

Part of why Lynch's serum broke the back of the AHA is it meant just anyone could become a Hunter

Where it used to be much more of an esoteric order of only the few who survived the process kinda thing

[versed wedge]

You still need a human sacrifice and only Lynch could do it. I guess she catches really really fat demons to make tons of serums of at a go.

[inner bough]

you dont know how much of the serum you need for a hunter - maybe the AHA dilutes it further as it would be to strong to directly inject it into a human

[uncut parcel]

Yeah, I kind of assumed the serum was an emulsion of a saline solution or oil with just an itty bitty of demon tissue, enough to reliably give darksight without the mutative effects that older hunters would go through

Given that demonic possession in the Hunt: Showdown verse really does seem to work on disease and immunization logic, you could presumably just shave off little bits of captive demon for every serum, where the description of the pre-Lynch ritual has like 1-3 hunters devouring it whole

Also just speaking from a recruitment availability standpoint, it puts one more step between newly inducted Hunters and having to ritualistically flay and murder a human being

Injecting yourself with a mystery juice that gives you superpowers is a lot easier to countenance than personally torturing someone to death and then eating the demon that comes out

[inner bough]

its pretty clear that Lynch kills the demon
"So it was sustained. And so it was undone. She would distill its corpse into the serum used by the Association, an inoculation of a sort, though nearly as deadly as the ailment it prevented"

[uncut parcel]

Even this phrasing does suggest that she's mulching the thing into a liquid, which if the demon is the same size or larger than a person, is gonna mean a LOT of serums

[inner bough]

where can I find the source for hunters eating demon flesh as the old ritual?

[versed wedge]

Eh, its about a hundred or so vials. The old one needed to torture a possesed human to death?

[uncut parcel]

I'll dig it up, I want to say that's implied in one of the stories but I fully admit my memory is fuzzy

[versed wedge]

Only Lynch is aware of the method right? Hardin and the rest don't know and just get sold the Serum?

[inner bough]

I think so too, otherwise they could make it themselves and didnt have to buy it from her. but maybe she taught them how its done

[inner bough]

And I dont think that the new hunters before had to summon a demon, kill and eat it by themselves. probably someone more experienced killed it and they just got handed the flesh

[uncut parcel]

Hm, thanks for spurring me to check this, because where I was interpreting this from is the meathead entry, which describes the deceased initiate as "having ritual blood coursing through her veins," which suggests a transfusion

Using the serum=vaccination analogy that the Pax Claw entry directly calls out, it's possible that the original ritual took a form closer to smallpox inoculation in the 18th century

[versed wedge]

Lynch is definitely setting up her new generation of hunters to fail, she mentions that the serum is almost as deadly as the corruption. I think the demons she distill are almost as powerful as Sculptor and having enough of them running around hunters means that eventually if one of them makes it to the Sculptor, the demon may tear its way out of the Hunter and try to snack on the Sculptor or something.

[uncut parcel]

Where you'd slit your arm open and put the tissue of an infected person in the wound

Or in this case, the direct application of demon tissue to the inductees' blood

[inner bough]

I'd like to know where its said that herbs were involved

sounds more like something out of the witcher to me

[uncut parcel]

It's purely spurious headcanon on my part, but I would like to think the pre-Lynch ritual was a primitive inoculation of just shoving demon meat into a wound where the modern version is more akin to microdosing inactive or less-active demonic corruption to build an immunity, because it would mean that the Ritual directly parallels the development of contemporary vaccines in the form of Louis Pasteur's cholera and anthrax vaccines

So it would fit with the time period and medical understanding of 1895 America

[versed wedge]

Except you know, the human sacrifice part and the distilled demon may still be alive in some form. Otherworldly biology doesn't really translate that well to celluar biology since the point of vaccine is to train your immunity system to fight infection and I don't see how we can do that with demonic corruption.

[uncut parcel]

It doesn't translate perfectly, but there are enough deliberate parallels between the Sculptor's work and a conventional disease pandemic that the two terms - [demonic] corruption and disease/plague - are used largely interchangeably by Hunters

[inner bough]

Fitting to that topic is my theory that severe drugs like cocaine are part of the Stamina and Vitality Shots the Hunters take, as it was considered "medicine" at that time and the lore says they makes you feel "invincible" or "induce manic euphoria".

[versed wedge]

I know, not disagreeing with you on the parrellel but distilled demons could go horribly wrong compared to vaccination againest plagues.

Unless somehow the effects of the serum is innate to humanity like our immunity systems are

[inner bough]

are you suggesting we should get a new game mode where one player controls a hunter that has mutated due to ritual blood and the others hunt him over the map, while he keeps evolv.. no wait that game sucked

okay, different idea, a lobby full of hunters on board a paddle steamer on the Mississippi river and one is infected with bad ritual blood so they have to find out who it is

[versed wedge]

Well, we did get a game mode where hunters suffering from demonic covid are dumped almost naked into a random part of the Bayou which is suspiciously full of guns to fight over a cure.

Before I read about its lore, I always thought QP is meant for dead hunters in hell and somehow there's a sick battle royale that lets one winner get resurrected somewhere with all their sweet guns and gear. Seriously, the lore for QP is a train-wreck.

[inner bough]

I dont know the lore but I like your idea!

[inner bough]

okay i just read it, "Rifts allow us to access a positive energy that can help to heal those whose souls have been sullied, or so to say, damned." that sounds so cheesy, I could never believe Huff wrote this, this must've been an imposter

[versed wedge]

It doesn't even explain the truckload of guns on the attractive blue boxes left all over the area.

[inner bough]

I agree its not very well written and far too explanatory like forcing an explanation for the rifts and damnation. But I guess they didnt want to go with the escape-out-of-hell Idea because it would have too much implications on the rest of the other lore

[versed wedge]

Eh, I thought hunters believe they all go to hell when they die? And they kinda have supernatural reviving ability already.

[inner bough]

yeah but I think actual hell would look much much different than just the regular infected bayou

I think what would've been more fitting was if Quickplay was a means to get rid of undesirable hunters, those who didn't react well to the blood ritual (not some kind of curse or damnation - though maybe the AHA wouldnt admit to that) and are thus dying. they are sent to an arena of sorts to kill each other with the promise of just one - the best of the bunch - getting the antidote to heal. So its all set up by someone in the AHA, maybe they even created the rifts themselves

[versed wedge]

Well maybe they will fix the lore for it, maybe they won't. Its something quick they put togather to appease BR fans and those that want a safe or no entry requirements for their shooters

[inner bough]

Im happy about QP because in my Region and with Skill Bases Matchmaking Its sometimes impossible to find a bounty hunt match.
Also the whole letter of Huff could just be considered a lie to make up for the much more sinister truth

[woven grail]

This game has, what? 4 years? For what I've seen all conversations about lore have been had already, to the point that funny enough my great theory are not new.

As the saying goes, it's not a bug it a feature.

[woven grail]

Huff is cheesy in all his lettes to the general hunter public.

Look at the letter about the AHA.

[versed wedge]

I didn't see it, how's it like

[woven grail]

" The Association has existed in various forms for many hundreds of years, yet its legacy is silence—and a world freed from monstrous, mindless cannibalistic beings; free from those empty, corrupted shells once human now looking only to fill that rotting vessel with your flesh. You will have heard tell of what waits for you in the wilds. Do not underestimate its vile power. "
One of the paragraphs

[versed wedge]

I mean there's cheesy and there's dumping a load of terminal hunters with a ton of guns to chase a single well spring. The dumping of the tons of guns part is the one I don't understand, can't exactly be cheap.

[woven grail]

It's not like there are thousands of hunters leaving their weapons behind after every hunt

[woeful cloud]

Actually, the bayou should be abundantly littered with guns, tools, etc. Take one full-duos single-bounty game. Imagine one team comes out with bounty and all others die. That's 10x2 = 20 weapons left in the mud, plus all tools and some consumables.

[versed wedge]

Ah, so scrapbeak picks them all up neatly and distributes them with Spider and Assasin after rounds while Butcher take cares of the bodies of those that don't make it each respawn!

[woeful cloud]

No, but apparently some inner-circle veteran AHA hunters do, for some shady reason...

[versed wedge]

You kill 2 bounties each round and make off with like 1k? 12 hunters come back in and drop 20 guns and consumables + supply wagons, good trade.

But seriously though, that much weapons and stuff in quick play doesn't gel with the lore.

[woeful cloud]

It's a good trade for the AHA, since those dead hunters bought the guns with their own money. And bought them from the AHA, which kept the profits.

[versed wedge]

Why does the AHA payout for clues but not kills anyway, maybe that's non-canon. In a perfect world, hunters will just go in there and knife everything with barely any need for guns and not kill each other and waltz out with steady pay and no risk.

[sudden glacier]

would you pay people to kill their coworkers

[versed wedge]

Ah, you mean we do get bounty for killing coworkers too

[noble scarab]

It’s in the Romero pages, the Glanton guy goes with some other Hunters into the bayou for the first time and they make him gather herbs then cook up a serum. They relate it back to like a rabies vaccine.

[junior pecan]

The herbal one still uses blood, just secondhand from dead hunters

[noble scarab]

Where is that mentioned?

[junior pecan]

Talks about hearts

[junior pecan]

In glantons section

[woven grail]

Recycling

[noble scarab]

hmm could be related, could also be something weird that the one guy does with them. there's also the thing that hearts are used to create clues/allow for tracking

[woven grail]

No, we clearly already know what clues are, they are on the manual.

[versed wedge]

I think he meant dark sight. Is Lynchs' serum the first thing that grants Dark sight? Or just the one that can spam to the most people.

[noble scarab]

Hunters can evidently create clues themselves using hearts. its what the John V~something dude did to track the Twins

per the Empty Cairn description and either the Mosin Bayonet, or Avto, its somewhere in the Mosin tree

Its the regular Mosin, after one of Salters diaries , its in the pinned list as well

[woven grail]

Let me check

[visual finch]

I was thinking. There's a reason why with darksight boost from bounty token we can see enemies and ourself, but not our ally? Except for gameplay reason of course

[versed wedge]

Same reason why clues don't react angrily, your team is not 'hostile'. There's probably a bloodpact or some other ritual that binds your team togather for the match.

[visual finch]

Would be cool to know more about such pact

[inner bough]

Im unsure right now, aside from being "griefing" meta-gaming-wise and thus a report reason, does the game itself punish you for killing your teammates (in the after-mission screen I mean)?
If it does then that could be a hint that there really is some kind of ritual / pact / contract that makes you temporarily allies

[versed wedge]

You get your bounty deducted but I'm not sure if it can go into negatives and eat into your bloodline/hunter xp. So somehow your hunter gets stupider or lose memories?

[inner bough]

I think it most probably affects your MMR, which opens up the question if MMR has a lore explanation? Is it like a ranking inside the AHA and they decided it would be unfair to put new recruits on the same contracts as experienced hunters? Or is it just a gameplay feature such as prestiging that we shouldn't put too much thought into 🤷‍♂️

[versed wedge]

It has no impact on your MMR and that's a purely artifical construct since the real hunts are most likely completely random and rarely competing because its not like everyone drop in at the same time.

[grizzled pilot]

and they arent enemies on principle they are rivals at best

[noble scarab]

post Huff death they are all pretty much just enemies. its shoot on sight out in the bayou

while its probably not a free for all 24/7 out there, I'm sure most Hunters end up fighting if they run across each other

[rotund ferry]

You loose around 500xp don't know if for bloodline or hunter

[dim jackal]

yoo guys, is Sofia Mexican from the lore?