lore-discussion

[frozen ridge]

th

the meat head thing?

[cedar furnace]

Oh

Meat heads are the children of hunters

[hallow kraken]

A female hunter gave birth to the first meathead

[frozen ridge]

OH

OH

[cedar furnace]

Yeaaaaa

[frozen ridge]

OH FUCK

[hallow kraken]

Tiny meathead somehow killed like 10 people

Like literally infant sized

[frozen ridge]

do they come out with no head?

[hallow kraken]

And these were fully equipped hunters I don’t understand

Yeah

And the leeches are just oversized versions of the maggots in the blood of grunts

[frozen ridge]

i mean to be fair, when i was first starting out hunt, i got killed by pve a lot so it stands to reason seeing a new monster for the first time might end up with some death

hunters arent THAT hardy

[cedar furnace]

I think the worse lore is Scrappy

I just feel bad for the guy

[frozen ridge]

what happened to him

[hallow kraken]

Yeah

[cedar furnace]

Oh

He’s still a guy

Just ya know

[hallow kraken]

Just with 800 pounds of crap on his back

[cedar furnace]

Driven to madness and now torutured for eternity

Cus he keeps getting revived as he’s just trying to defend his stuff

[noble scarab]

There’s a few different inoculations or methods, Hardin has his folks drink it and say an oath, others just inject it into their blood

[cedar furnace]

Then you have Revanant

Who idk does it

[frozen ridge]

are grunts actually corpses animated or are they living creatures with gross-disease

[cedar furnace]

Uhhh

[noble scarab]

Yes

[cedar furnace]

They are dead

But they are semi revived

[frozen ridge]

weird that i hear them coughing and stuff then

[cedar furnace]

They are confirmed to have memories of when they were alive

But they are controlled

[noble scarab]

They have black blood and a sphere heart that pushes it through their veins

[frozen ridge]

haha wow that fucking sucks for them

[noble scarab]

Their blood also has the sculptor larvae bs in it

[cedar furnace]

I always feel bad burning them

It’s fucking awful

[noble scarab]

I mean I guess you're releasing them from being a rotting corpse

[frozen ridge]

true

[cedar furnace]

Only to be revived a month later

Every scrapbeak is the same guy

[tardy sentinel]

Yeah burning grunts make me chuckle and fearful at the same time

The screams

[icy brook]

I wish we could know where all the French military rifles are coming from, other than the carcass gunner

The introduction of the Berthier is quite interesting

[cold idol]

I'm more concerned about all the russian guns

Nagant being more available than a colt

I mean cadwell

[mint glade]

Especially because at the time of the game Nagant is brand new.

And it's famously more complex and expensive to make that ordinary revolvers because of it's unique gas seal.

Nagant is literally called 1895 after it's year of introduction.

Game happens in either 95 or 96.

[twilit quiver]

If I'm not mistaken, a russian ship full of weapons stuck itself on the coast, its weapon made their way to Louisiana, and then in the hands of the AHA

[noble scarab]

I’d imagine there’s a push to try to get all the newest and most innovative guns and weapons into the bayou, especially seeing as we have numerous weapons that were modified or created by the AHA

It looks like historically there were a number of French conflicts in the 1890s which I’m sure could account for a surplus of random French guns

[icy brook]

It’s also easy to factor in how slimy Russian arms manufacturers were in the era, if they would try to extort Winchester for cash bribes in WWI with the M1915s it wouldn’t surprise me if Tula or other arsenals were selling undocumented arms out the back door

[frozen ridge]

arent american gun patent holders kinda annoying to deal with as dev company? i remember reading that somewhere, could be a reason why theres less american guns

reading it somewhere not related to hunt*

[icy brook]

I’d assume it’s mostly the company names that cause problems

[frozen ridge]

thus scottfield

[mint glade]

First nagants were built in Belgium IIRC, then production moved to Russia.

IIRC Russian empire contracted US manufacturers to build a lot of Mosin-Nagants during WWI, but that order fell through because of October revolution and those companies were left with a lot of unsold Mosin-Nagants.

[earnest jungle]

The Ritual is essentially a human sacrifice. What you do is you be take the victim cut out their tongue and gouge out their eyes, stitch a piece of cloth with your name on it to the space where the young had been, flay them and then make their skin then you place the body halfway onto an unfinished salt circle that doubles as a summoning circle and imprisoning circle.

When the demon arrives and starts eating the offering you kick the body into the circle and bind them to the body with the ropes made from the victims skin.

You then take the bound demon body and render it down into a slushy you inject into your veins

[mint glade]

In 1918/1919 ubiquitousness of Russian guns in Louisiana would be pretty trivial to explain, but fact that brand new Nagant revolver with cutting edge completely novel design is both present AND cheap is just strange.

[earnest jungle]

You can also maybe use the heart of a dead hunter to make an impromptu version of the serum.

[frozen ridge]

so theres some real gnarly shit these hunters have had to become accomplices in

[icy brook]

One thing that comes to mind is the possibility of connections both in Belgium and Russia siphoning finished parts from arsenals and shipping them to America to be assembled

[mint glade]

Jesus fucking Christ, where did you find that description?

[icy brook]

That would explain why there are so many cut down Mosins

[earnest jungle]

It’s not clear id the victim had to be alive during this process or if Lynch was just being Lynch when they used a live victim.

[earnest jungle]

This description comes from the Pax Lore entry

[frozen ridge]

is it revealed whether other countries are having the whole demon problem?

[mint glade]

I haven't unlocked many gun masteries yet. I'm really NOT looking forward to unlocking Pax, then.

[earnest jungle]

Other countries have had demon problems but there’s no clue on how they connect to the Louisiana event

[mint glade]

Mosin-Nagant rifle is a bit easier to understand, as that one has been out for a few years by then. It's debut was in 1891.

[frozen ridge]

im so glad this channel exists so i can just ask people instead of trying to find the one random gun that happens to have information i need in an in-universe story

[earnest jungle]

If you go to the wiki you can find most but not all of the lore

[frozen ridge]

isnt the wiki a bit out of date?

[earnest jungle]

Very

[frozen ridge]

well then why bother

youre my wiki

[mint glade]

Lol.

[earnest jungle]

Because it has most of the old stuff

And there’s a lot of stuff I don’t have

[frozen ridge]

can you get enough goo to hunter'ify multiple hunters from one ritual? or is it one human sacrifice per hunter'ification?

you have to drink the whole human

[earnest jungle]

Unclear

[radiant dove]

Isn't that specifically a description of a ritual done by Lynch though? Doesn't mention it being the same method used to make the inoculum AFAIK

[frozen ridge]

thought so

[mint glade]

I understand why from game balance perspective Dolch/Luger is expensive while Nagant is not, but from worldbuilding perspective Nagant should be way more expensive, especially "Officer" variant.

[earnest jungle]

The Unnamed researcher confirms this is basically how the system works but Collins some how manages to over and under sell the magnitude of the ritual at the same time

[frozen ridge]

i cant believe its demon protein powder

[twilit quiver]

The devs plan on adding the Berthier to the game ? Didn't knew that

[mint glade]

Supposedly.

[frozen ridge]

they just announced it in the stream

it should be on test server tomorrowish

[mint glade]

Speaking of which. Is there some writeup of upcoming changes? I don't want to watch entire stream.

[frozen ridge]

honestly it sounds like the sculptor is tricking a bunch of shmucks into commiting atrocities as opposed to those shmucks committing atrocities to better combat the sculptor

[twilit quiver]

happy baguette noises

[mint glade]

Could be.

[frozen ridge]

for those who watch this channel more than the update channels. new things : new gun, new traits, trait updates, reconnect feature, new gun skins, compound overhauls, custom/savable loadouts

i will not discuss further, go to the proper channels

[mint glade]

Thanks.

[frozen ridge]

np

[icy brook]

Yeah the Berthier carbine is going to be added

Not my first choice but pretty cool I suppose

[frozen ridge]

i just want more 'bayou tech' like the bomblance

give me a flame thrower but for bees

[icy brook]

^

[mint glade]

That would be some serious mastermind play, if there was simple and atrocity-free way to make the serum/whateveryoucallit but Sculptor deliberately "leaked" the most fucked up way possible just to damn anyone trying to fight him.

[frozen ridge]

thats what im assuming is happening

[mint glade]

If there are demons, then perhaps there are angels and gods? That would mean Sculptor kind of win-wins. If they defeat him, they still go to hell.

[frozen ridge]

im assuming the sculptor, if its as big bad as it sounds, is a smart enough villain to some how benefit from the atrocities the hunters commit

keep in mind that the hunters call them demons

that doesnt mean they are actually biblical demons

[mint glade]

Sure, which is why I said "gods", not "God".

[frozen ridge]

i was talking more to the angel comparison

[mint glade]

I just refer to hypothetical benevolent powers.

[frozen ridge]

ah

thats fair

[mint glade]

It's just that "angels" are the best shorthand I could come up with.

[frozen ridge]

bro imagine youre in the bayou and you fucking see a bunch of flaming rings with eyes on them floating above the swarmp

that shits getting nitro'd

[mint glade]

But I admit it's very imperfect analogy.

Hahaha.

[frozen ridge]

biblical angels WOULD work well in the hunt lore tbh, just by their designs being already pretty monstrous

[mint glade]

Sure thing, biblical angels would definitely be indistinguishable from Sculptor's creations at the first glance.

[frozen ridge]

angels: enemies that spawn without any sculptor mobs in a large radius around them but if youve killed a hunter in this round they aggro to you

otherwise theyre neutral

[mint glade]

Huh.

That's interesting.

[frozen ridge]

basically a mob interaction with pvp

[mint glade]

Yes, yes, I understant.

That would be an interesting change of pace.

[frozen ridge]

i still say there should be a map-wandering mob that is more dangerous / difficult to deal with than bosses

[mint glade]

As long as it's not silent and invisible until it's too late.

[frozen ridge]

stronger, faster, more health - you cant just sit back and watch while it tears apart another team cause in all likelihood unless you team up with the crew currently fighting it, it'll just come for you next

[mint glade]

Getting ganked by unseen player is one thing, getting killed b6y mob you can't avoid is another thing.

[frozen ridge]

oh id want it to be avoidable

in fact id want it to be avoidable at all costs

if you aggro it, you really fucked up

the current mobs are great because theyre usually trash easy BUT they can create really inopportune/ great moments when the pvp is introduced

[mint glade]

I disagree. If you really want to make it that hard, it should be slightly slower than player and it should avoid extraction zones.

[frozen ridge]

im ok with most of that

[mint glade]

That way you CAN run away and extract, but you WILL get attention of all the mobs.

[frozen ridge]

with the condition that once its spotted you, it wont stop hunting, make it real slow

unless it spots another player

[mint glade]

If you stop to kill regular mobs, super mob gets you.

If you don't deal with regular mobs... well, you have immolators and hellhounds on your tail.

On top of super mob.

[frozen ridge]

make it tall so players can see it from a great distance, and more importantly they can see the direction its heading implying its heading towards a player

call it the Swamp Boogie, boom, lore friendly

[mint glade]

Should be an event thing, though. To test it.

[earnest jungle]

As for Lore Eateries I do not Have:
• All of the Bow Entires
• Scottfield Model 3 Mastery 2
• Vetterli Marksman & Silenced
• Label Aperture
• Centennial Sniper
• Terminus Dragon’s Breath
• Terminus Slugs
• Crown and King Slugs
If some could help me out and post screenshots of these that would be greatly appreciated.

[mint glade]

It might or might not stay for good depending on how it plays out.

[frozen ridge]

i wish i could pin that rexli

[mint glade]

Sorry, I don't have any of those.

[frozen ridge]

i just want some more dangerous / interesting pve creatures. all current mobs do their job perfectly fine, but they all - in my mind - have pretty much the same job

like hell, make a golden immolator that runs away from players but drops a bunch of bloodbonds, for example

[mint glade]

I really hate hives, though.

For me the hives are the worst.

[frozen ridge]

dogs are my enemies

or as my friends call them, puppies

dogs are in cages, hellhounds are puppies

[mint glade]

They can aggro through walls. They have ranged attack so you can't ditch them by vaulting over fence. You can only melee the swarm while losing health, but then new swarm comes, or you can run.

Both are bad options. Especially when other players are present.

[frozen ridge]

hive bees do a LOT of damage too without poison

its kinda nuts, but also keeps them as a threat so its kinda needed

[mint glade]

Anyway. Back to lore. I'm surprised that in-game preachers didn't declare Bayou as hell. In at least one Christian interpretation of hell, it's a place rejected by god, where your punishment is knowing that god turned your back on you and doesn't love you any more. With all the supernatural mess going on interpretation that "god turned away from Bayou and now devils do whatever they want" is pretty fitting.

Or there is such interpretation in lore and I'm just unaware because not enough masteries?

[frozen ridge]

i am unaware

[noble scarab]

The night of the hunter cult believes that the events in the bayou are the prelude to the rapture and thus they try to save themselves via monster blood

[earnest jungle]

Ishim Gird was obsessed with purging Stillwater Bayou of evil

[noble scarab]

The actual reverend is just out there trying to cleanse the bayou in the name of God

[earnest jungle]

It had been his obsession even before the outbreaks

[wet sparrow]

I am pretty sure no one would actually deny that fact

[mint glade]

I guess I really need to unlock more stuff.

Question: do "base" entries in book of weapons stay unlocked after prestige? Say... things like "Nitro Express dumdum ammo"?

[noble scarab]

In addition to what someone said earlier about using a hunter’s heart to make the serum, you can also use a heart to create an artificial rift/clue

You have to unlock the ammo type before you can see the page

[mint glade]

After prestige?

[noble scarab]

Yeah sadly

[mint glade]

Or just once ever.

[frozen ridge]

Hunters Heart sounds like a good consumable item

no clue what it would do but

[noble scarab]

You still have to unlock everything per prestige, lore included

[mint glade]

Wait. I was told that masteries stay unlocked.

[noble scarab]

You don’t have to go re-earn the mastery tho

[mint glade]

Ugh. That sounds awful.

Entries in books should stay unlocked.

[frozen ridge]

im sorry to interrupt the current thread but after reading Moses entry it struck me as incredibly telling that he was apparently able to survive an apparently staggering amount of time in the corrupted zone that it was worth commenting on - and the entry makes a note that its unclear if its because of sheer stupidity or sheer stubbornness...... is will a key to pushing back the sculptor, are people who are smarter more susceptible?

[mint glade]

Store? Sure.

[noble scarab]

Agreed

I think some folks just have some innate immunity to it.

Smarter people probably succumb in a more moral way, as in from greed or paranoia

Tho Harold black never did

[mint glade]

I think this is implicitly referring to trope "too dumb to fool" (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooDumbToFool) and it's origins.

It's a pretty common trope.

[frozen ridge]

well yes of course! but that doesnt mean it cant or doesnt have larger implications

[mint glade]

"The concept derives from the idea that the simple-minded have an earthy sort of wisdom, and that the simplest solution is usually the best. In certain circumstances, especially when a Masquerade is in place, this simplicity of thought allows a Fool to see things for what they truly are, even when this really ought to require some kind of metaphysical super-senses. This is one major way in which idiocy is turned into a Disability Superpower."

[opaque glade]

In the Dark sight Trailer, you find the Black Coat dead with an arrow in his back

and a person loading a hand crossbow

that's the part where the twins killed him, right?

[noble scarab]

yep

[mint glade]

I don't understand "corruption" enough to personally speculate why 'the Redneck" resisted.

[opaque glade]

Okay, so y'know how the bio of Black Coat goes on about promises of vengeance?

[noble scarab]

you fall to the sculptor, turning into a grunt, potentially the Assassin, things like that

[opaque glade]

do you think that's why he killed the uncle

or grandpa

or whatever that blacksmith was to the twins

[mint glade]

Who are "the twins"?

[noble scarab]

mans killed his own bro. the black coat was the father to the Twins, then killed their mom just as they were born, then came back years later to kill their uncle

[opaque glade]

wait what

really?

[noble scarab]

yea

[opaque glade]

Where does it say this

[noble scarab]

one of the book of weapons entries, lynch shows up and tells them that just after they killed him

[opaque glade]

damn

Corrupted by the drip

you hate to see it

[mint glade]

By "All of the Bow entries" do you mean bow, the weapon, or bow, the category (which includes crossbows)?

[earnest jungle]

Hubting bow

[mint glade]

Ah, ok. Because I just got Crossbow mastery and I was wondering if it would be of any use.

[grand rivet]

Can someone explain me why we hunters kill eachother lorewise ?

couldnt find any useful informations about this 😄

[tall lava]

Pretty sure just so that they can get the bounty instead for glory and money

[devout cedar]

New "Table of steam boats" at Darin Shipyard
Probably not even lore related idk

and this (not sure if its new)

Also seeing this for the first time

[dire knoll]

Seems like the setup for the train to new orleans song?

[versed reef]

I’m curious about Offenbach 069

[devout cedar]

This Berthier lore kinda weird

Here the custom ammo

[noble scarab]

hunters are supposed to be sterile. That throws a wrench in things

[restive patrol]

Maybe she didn't take the serum that initiates people as hunters? (This could also imply that the infertility only affects females)

[noble scarab]

it doesnt sound like shes a hunter, so maybe

i forget if the lore specified that if it affected both sexes, but you'd think that it would

[junior pecan]

It doesn’t, I presume its just the women considering that would be cheaper and easier. I don’t think there is a chemical operation that sterilizes men, just physical

[noble scarab]

so it looks like hunter + hunter = meatbaby while hunter + normal lady = 1/2 meathead

or something to that effect

[icy brook]

He could also just be hunting game rather than being a hunter in the professional sense

From his monologue he doesn’t seem a scoundrel enough to be a true hunter

[noble scarab]

could be, but it seems like hes bringing back hellhounds for her

[junior pecan]

Explicit mention of maggots

[ashen barn]

he seems reasonably sane enough to be a normal person, but I can't imagine why you'd bring a shotgun and brass knuckles on a (game) hunting trip

[earnest jungle]

Could be that Jed Owenthal was inoculated with the old serum that did sterilize Hunters.

[noble scarab]

I wish we had a better timeline on that whole thing

[earnest jungle]

I can give a rough estimate of sometime between November 1st of 1894 and January 9th of 1895

[noble scarab]

It almost sounds like the infection began well before 1895, what with all that went on, but we still have hard dates from January onward

[earnest jungle]

It did

The Port Sulfur Band was in DeSalle when it fell to the corruption.

[noble scarab]

That’s a great point

We know there was also an invasion in NY, which seemingly occurred a bit before the LA one, which did have faulty serums

Then there was the cascades one, an unknown amount of time before that the natives probably took care of

What I’m getting at is there had to be older versions of the serum

Which would support Rexli’s idea of this mans getting an older out of date shot, or being a left over from those hunters

[earnest jungle]

The Lore for Blanchett Graves offers a grim possibility.

[noble scarab]

The bit about men dying from an unknown cannibal plague back in ~1812? Or the stuff about the widow Blanchett and her curse?

[earnest jungle]

The part where during the Hurricane of 1912 twelve people became trapped in the basement of St Sebastian Church when Stillwater Bayou catastrophically flooded.

If the men indeed did become grunts as is implied by the lore and subsequent death of the man who discovered them then it means that this outbreak has been going on for decades maybe even centuries and what we are witnessing is the most recent flare up of the disease.

[noble scarab]

That’d make sense

[earnest jungle]

It’s also explains why they would brining in Indigenous Hunters.

If the Sculptor has always been here ever in the background then they would likely have known how to combat it.

Perhaps that’s what ultimately caused this outbreak. Perhaps the indigenous people of Southern Louisiana knew how to keep the sculptor in check and their deportation from Louisiana paved the way for them to rise up from the swamps.

[noble scarab]

None of the local spirits seem to be working with the sculptor and most if not all are actively working against it, so maybe the spiritual balance was disturbed

[earnest jungle]

Perhaps then the Sculptor is a monster that followed the Settlers over the sea.

Acording to Vodou the Rada Lwa came from Africa and followed the slave ships over the sea.

There’s a certain grim parallel between the invasion of the Americas and the Invasion of Louisiana by the Sculptor.

So perhaps when all those pilgrims, soldiers, missionaries, merchants, and monarchs crossed the ocean they brought something with them besides death and disease.

[cold idol]

Hunter pregnancies result in monsters

Got any more of lore pages?

The scottfield and bow would be nice

And Terminus

[noble scarab]

Scottfield is about a serial killer that used the aforementioned revolver. The bow entry is about a hunter training his slave to hunt. She eventually kills him and buries him in the bayou

[cold idol]

Thanks for the spoiler

I love spoilers

They make spoiled thing better

😠

[molten forge]

This gives us insight in how the sculptor works, which is pretty good actually.

[empty owl]

terminus’ lore pages are just more bad as they seem stuff

[cold idol]

No, no they are not.

[earnest jungle]

Some lore brought to you by my Good Budy Woodland: Terminus Slugs, Terminus Dragon’s Breath, Crown and Key Slugs,

[rotund ferry]

anywhere i can read the full scrap beak lore? gonna take ages to unlock

[earnest jungle]

Go to the search Bar, In:lore-discussion: Scrapbeak Mastery.

[rotund ferry]

thanks

[earnest jungle]

Should be a google doc with all of the scrap beak entries combined

[opaque glade]

Did the Revenant become a hunter before or after he became a corpse

I know it's a stupid question but anything's possible in Hunt

[cold idol]

I think he was before

[earnest jungle]

After

He was a gambler before

[bold tangle]

Is there a lore reason as to why our weapons we bought start dirty?

[noble scarab]

they were probably just in use, or pulled from the hands of dead hunters and no one bothered cleaning them

[icy brook]

It would be nice if some of the engraved guns started as clean, it fits the lore

You gotta keep those black powder guns oiled

[obsidian mango]

Hey guy, what's up?
Is there a place where I can find the entire HS lore?

[eager storm]

look in the pinned of this channel

[noble scarab]

That’s most of it, but it’s a bit out of date, feel free to ask around, most of us know the lore pretty well

[cold idol]

The hunt:showdown lore experts 🤓

Know all the five pages of it

[earnest jungle]

Freaking Phishers

Be careful what links you click I’ve had two friends from this community get phised already this year

[nova kraken]

Who or what is a phisher

Nvm

I read the text

I am happy to say I have all Calvary sword pages

[maiden nymph]

did plague doctor make scrapbeak?

[empty owl]

nope, scrapbeak was made by an unknown third party with the help of the sculptor

[bold tangle]

Whomst is Thomas bridge , the name sounds familiar to me

[earnest jungle]

Mountain Man

[bold tangle]

Thanks, completely forgot

[rustic hearth]

ok so i haven't stopped by here in like 6 months so i have no idea what's going on lore wise. can anyone fill me in on what's happened from approximately when scrapbeak was added up until now?

[opaque glade]

Scrapbeak is a monster

[rustic hearth]

i know the scrapbeak lore

most of it anyways

[opaque glade]

I'm thinking of actual lore hold on

Oh uh, G. Hunter killed a colleague of his when hunting the final gator of Louisiana

Same gator skin he wears

[cold idol]

Clearly it wasn't the last gator of lousiana

For they still remain

[empty owl]

they all died to the water devils

or atleast moved to a different place

[solemn eagle]

What’s the best YouTube channel to absorb more lore

[mint glade]

One description (water devil?) says that gators moved out of Bayou because of water devils.

[polar fable]

So it appears Binge is making a live series based on Hunt! That could be interesting

[cold idol]

Any show made this day and age is gonna suck

They will ruin the lore

And It's not extreme pessimism if you know it's true

Not that there is much to ruin I guess

[cold badger]

i hope theres a micspamming character

[rancid bone]

yeah, many so called live-actions these days are usually a bunch of disappointments

[junior pecan]

Whenever it comes out I suppose that will be the deciding factor on the lore. If they want to keep going the eldritch mystery route I won’t be surprised but I’ll certainly be disappointed.

[icy brook]

^^^^^

[opaque glade]

I hope we get to see the hunters kill a boss

[bold tangle]

if its bad enough the community can decide its non canon, thats what all communitys do

[icy brook]

^

[jovial basin]

might be an ok show, dont have high hopesfor various reasons. Also dont know, why it isnt animated. Live action just seems odd choice to me

but shouldnt be pessimistic and say id will downright suck

[junior pecan]

Photorealistic game. If they’d animated it they would have to be very talented to not affect the mood and atmosphere. Though admittedly they’ll probably ruin the mood anyway seeing as its demolished in game.

[earnest jungle]

Oh enough with the doom and gloom Prowler.

[sour wharf]

I'm a half-novice in the lore - is monster hunting a wider thing in the world or is there something special happening in the Bayou which makes all that a localized phenomenon?

Thinking about the asian elite hunters, were they hunters in their homelands first? Or simply travellers who became hunters when they discovered the Bayou threat?

[cold idol]

@sour wharf Events like Lousiana's happening all around the world, Lousiana's Incident is just the biggest one. Also it's implied Sculptor is far from being the only supernatural threat to the world.

[sour wharf]

Thanks for the answer! I am also wondering, who do the hunters even take the bounties to? And why are they so valuable to even resort to killing each other over it? What's the use of an extracted bounty?

[cold idol]

It's actually never explained. Probably some magic shit.

[hallow kraken]

It is I’m pretty sure, I think the guys who buy it use it to prolong their life or something, because the bounty is a part of the bounty’s soul, so it can be used for it idunno

[devout cedar]

Any lore Masters here willing to help me with video?

Just wanna make a video what can we expect in the live action series
(main things that happened in timeline, introduce players to the lore)

[opaque glade]

well, we expect them to do something that looks like the late 1800s

They'll probably be in the louisiana bayous

if they were in another spot of uh.... "fun"

that would very cool

[empty owl]

it could depicts the event from the "bad as they seem" manuscript or based on the events by numerous characters' letters

if they went with the latter option there should be a large chance that the main character could be snakeskin chambers or william salters

could be both but who knows

but on common ground, they will depict huff's death either from the perspective of the bad as they seem manuscript or from the old lore

there's also a large chance of william black (the researcher) being a main character or atleast shown once or twice

this is just speculation on my end however

or, and this is going to be one hell of a stretch. We can get a narrative based on both the new lore and the old lore and we're seeing the events of the great louisianan hunter war through the lens of the contemporary researcher one the accounts of huff's letters, newspaper clippings, and other supplementary materials (i.e. the louisiana event book)

[noble scarab]

It’d be cool to have a series follow one character through that year

[icy brook]

I think the show has great potential to clarify old lore and chronology, as well as introduce new lore for better or worse

The series will probably be alright if it takes a GOT route, meaning main characters can be killed as the plot requires, I’m hoping it doesn’t unfold like an 80’s action flick built on a pile of dead white and redshirts

[rotund ferry]

Hoping for Russell chambers showing up

[icy brook]

Same, seeing lynch would be cool too

[valid dove]

Do you think this is a hunter not mentioned in lore already? Or someone we know

Very vague picture just want to hear theories

[junior pecan]

Honestly looks like it might be Laveau with that weird head dress thing

The symbol behind her is alchemical as well. Either Laveau or another woman of occult dealings I think.

And she’s wearing her cloak thing. At this point it would be weird for it not to be her.

[earnest jungle]

It’s either a Turban or

[jovial basin]

looks like hair

[wet sparrow]

It’s definitely hair

[valid dove]

Yeah it’s just a bun, perfect picture from rdr

Behind twitch drops there are weird insect wings…

[noble scarab]

moths and dragonflies are part of the Sculptor somehow

so the wings make sense

[mint glade]

My initial thought was fly wings, but I guess those are a bit elongated and could be some weird cross between fly and dragonfly. To elongated for fly, way too short, and too few, for dragonfly (dragonflies have 4 wings).

[empty owl]

it could be moths but i may be wrong

if this is a new billy like hunter i want it

"like a moth to a flame"?

[hasty orbit]

i think they may be Cicada wings

[earnest jungle]

I wonder if the woman being teased will be a major character for the TV Show

[noble scarab]

Damn if that doesn’t sound like it could be Marie or a stand in for her

We’ve been needing another voodoo hunter

[hasty raven]

Is that the twitch drop hunter?

[empty owl]

from the silhouette i suppose the new hunter could be somesort of a bordello gal or a high society woman

either that or a geisha

[twin hollow]

Throwing knives skin?

[strange garnet]

so.... has vincent just gotten more and more gruesome looking as the years go on since his drinking days with harold?

i'm assuming if he looked like the assassin we know and love today, harold would have immediately noticed. unless my man was that shitfaced

[cold idol]

They went on a trips together

He wasn't shitfaced all the time

Also according to my fanfic they were also gay lovers

So no, assassin can assume a look different from holefaced literal bugman

[opaque glade]

I'm sorry

what

[wet sparrow]

If someone says according to my fanfic i just blank out

[opaque glade]

My mind do a few backstrokes in blood

to figure out what I just read

[noble scarab]

I’d assume Vincent could look human when he needed to, then turn bug faced assassin upon feeling the urge to shank someone with his wrist bone insect knives

[opaque glade]

Assassin's Creed fan spotted

[fair sinew]

I’m wondering what kind of budget the series is working with. Worried it’ll end up a bit cheesy.

[fair agate]

As long as they don't do it like Cowboy Bebop on netflix, it will be good

[grim dirge]

since crytek is directly working on it it should be fine, they wont let turn the lore into soapy garbage i think

[noble scarab]

medium sad that the new hunter isn't voodoo related

[cold idol]

I'd make a clever joke about implications of her being both prostitute and voodoo related

But I ain't messing with the voodoo because that shit is real

[earnest jungle]

Seeing as how Voodoo and other African Diaspora Religions have been discriminated against and maligned I wager the Devs are going to be very very cautious with how they handle it moving forward because it’s not their intention to be disrespectful towards other cultures.

[dreamy mirage]

Hey guys, is there an exact date one when the "plague" surfaced in Louisiana? And do we know how long before the Bayou and surrounding territories generally fell to the Sculpture and his monsters?

[earnest jungle]

Sometime between the Spring and Winter of 1894

[cloud stone]

She is in her undies ! That piece of clothes is worn under the corset, the petticoat, and dress (it was pretty much between the skin and the corset, it was easier to wash) and had typically no seam in the crotch area for easy access to the "chamber pot " when they need to. So she is pretty much running around with wind on her privates (or well, her old money-maker) and a coat (shout out to all late victorian/early edwardian fashion geeks out there)

[dreamy mirage]

Thank you!

[bold tangle]

is there some kind of training these hunters go through?, because some of the hunters to me dont seem like they would have the knowledge on how to use firearms given the time and their past

[noble scarab]

her and cain would get along well

[noble scarab]

probably not, especially the whiteshirts/tier 1s. Most come into the bayou then leave the next day in a coffin. its kind of like a gold rush, people hear about the money and come flooding in. I'm sure you have to be a certain kind of person to want to do this in the first place, or have to have connections to someone who's heard about it, or is part of the AHA tho. That'd be the limiting factor I bet

[bold tangle]

well i was referencing more of the legendary hunters but yeah the random hunters make sense

[noble scarab]

The legendary ones come from so many different backgrounds, but all of them probably have some kind of training.

maybe not cain

[bold tangle]

drugs

[harsh void]

But I don't think it would be official training. IDK about you but I think The Commited wouldn't be a good student

[bold tangle]

people like mountain man (forgot name) make sense to me

weird sister, not so much

[harsh void]

I think that it's free game for everyone. Both normal and legendary hunters. Something like Adventure's Guild from fantasy. Just sign up and do the job. And legendary hunters are just hunters with something unique or special about them.

And those with enough experience survive while others die

[icy brook]

It’s like the past days of buffalo hunters, anyone with a rifle could go out and do it, but the guys with skill, experience, or just grit were able to make a fortune with it

Then dump profits back into the trade

[empty owl]

legendary hunters are mostly there due to their significant role in the lore (i.e. Hardin, Bone Doctor, Isham Gird, etc.) some are there to show that the infection is more or less widespread (the chinese hunters and the plague doctor) heck, even one is a joke character by all accounts

or to show that the effects of the infection are more or less widespread within the U.S. alone

[vast dome]

Although Cain’s background isn’t explained in any depth, it’s implied that he’s been around for a while bc he has a lot of parallels with Cain from the bible. So maybe being the first murderer and existing for a very long time gave him the right skills. But maybe just being invisible makes him qualified to be legendary. And being half-naked.

[noble scarab]

I’m a big fan of the idea that he’s the less successful DeSalle bro. He went crazy, murdered his brother and family then fucked off into the bayou

[vast dome]

Would definitely explain why he’s called Cain. And why he runs around in a zombie filled swamp in a loincloth with skulls for a backpack

[cobalt basalt]

Just curious... does the "symbol" (You know the two opposite crosses symbol for hunt) have an in lore meaning or is it just a visual for the game?

[unkempt fog]

Check out HazmatFTW, hes made 2 videos, and is working on a 3rd video about the lore. They're really good!

[noble scarab]

I don’t believe it has any lore meaning unless it just symbolizes a Hunt. It’s not a part of the Voynich and I don’t believe it’s anywhere in game, but someone might could confirm that

Also seconding the Hazmat recommendation

[cobalt basalt]

Have considered getting a tattoo of the two crosses, but I am a bit hesitant, partially due to what people could misinterprete that as

[cold idol]

Did you notice that it makes out "H"

[noble scarab]

I don’t think it could be be misidentified, it doesn’t look like much besides 2 crosses and like what he said^

Lots of people on Reddit have it tattooed on them

Maybe you could look at those and see what you think

[shut hazel]

You shouldnt care what people think of it, its your tattoo.

[grizzled pilot]

Is anyone aware of lore on John Victor other than that from spider and mosin lore?

[earnest jungle]

I third.

[earnest jungle]

Oh now it is two crosses specifically the Latin Cross and the Petrine Cross. The Petrine Cross is interesting because it is often used as an Anti-Christian associated with demonic themes but among Catholics it is a holy symbol representing Humility before God as Saint Peter requested he be crucified on an inverted cross because he felt he did not deserve to be crucified on a regular cross.

[earnest jungle]

So if it looks like small minded people are judging you for it just pretend to be a Catholic

[pearl zinc]

its an H and the tattoo artist was drunk

[opaque glade]

She's a prostitute? I wonder how that'll help some of the story. Maybe she's an info gatherer and she uses her charm and... services to gather info or assassinate people

[earnest jungle]

I suspect she is like Billy Story in that she’s bot really plot relevant

[opaque glade]

ah okay

[empty owl]

she could be a former prostitute turned survivor of the desalle incident

she never got out and so she ended up being a scavenger, killing hunters for supplies like cain does

[opaque glade]

odd

as in, Cain never got out yet he's not corrupted

[winged spoke]

this has probably been answered before but could someone tell me what language is written on the special ammo boxes and what it means?

[restive patrol]

Voynich, https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Lore#Voynich, and the language on the special ammo boxes just spell out "A.H.A"

[frozen ridge]

i love that the AHA in voynich is basically owo

[hidden shadow]

almost everyone owned a firearm back in the day, so this one is incorrect depending on what kind of weapon it is.

[winged spoke]

so a follow up question, what is written on the night seer? i assume its something akin to manuscripts or scripture or something of that nature

oh and is it pronounced "voy-nick", "voy-nitch" or?

[upbeat kiln]

This is actually a really great question. I took it as incantations and black magic "spells" - but to know what is actually written, as well as its meaning, would be amazing. I love the Night of the Hunter.

[twilit quiver]

"Damn, I can't find any OwO box to get more ammo !"

[deft mango]

The "night of the hunter" believes that the blood of the monsters will save them from the end of the world. So I think these are protective spells against the armageddon

[noble scarab]

Voy-nitch

It’s based on an actual thing, the Voynich Manuscript. It’s a really old book that was written in a kind of nonsense code, but if I remember right someone recently figured it out. The two codes are unrelated, though it could be assumed in Hunts alternate reality the old Hunters were responsible for creating the code

[bold tangle]

yeah but i mean, a guy who got roped into the hunt because he was drunk i highly doubt knows how to use a rifle used to kill elephants

[hidden shadow]

and?

he bought it with his own money

[junior pecan]

What’s there to know about it? Sights and stance, both pretty simple to learn

[fair agate]

Majority of hunting weapons like double barrels, single barrels, stopping rifles (thats nitro), etc are made with simplicity in mind.

It is not a military weapon like c96 or vetterli that are much more elaborate in their design and mechanism

[hazy meteor]

Hunters having just picked up their guns would explain my terrible aim hehe

[cold idol]

In lousiana most of them are street trash looking to make some quick buck

But you don't need a doctorate to learn how to shoot a gun

[noble scarab]

Some of them do have doctorates, so it may help

[winged spoke]

that's a good way to look at it. looking at the bigger picture of the game and the different factions (yes i watched your video on it lol good stuff) that's probably what is written on himself

[opaque glade]

In one of the twitch drops knives (Marquies or whatever)

it talks about stabbing it in the ribs of some "over-eager John"

How many Johns do we know so far?

Hayward and Redshirt is all I know

there is also Bone Doctor

he is named John too

He is called Doctor John

but John will do

Anymore Johns?

Lulu must've killed a John

or Lulu's mentor

which is who she got the knife from

I'm gonna type the full descript of the knife

"Passed down to Lulu from her mentor and madam. The Marquis, like the women who wielded it, is beautiful, sharp, agile, and deadly, exactly the tool needed to slip between the ribs of an over-eager John."

Nevermind

John seems to be a general nickname for men seeing prostitutes

[jovial basin]

i was about to say if its an idiom.

[bold tangle]

john doe

probably just unamed man

[mint glade]

That was my initial interpretation, that it's intended to refer to clients who who turn dangerous or abusive, not anyone in particular.

[tardy citrus]

For all the dead seemingly eaten horses around the map it’s pretty immersion breaking to see two hellhounds and a grunt stand by a wounded horse not even trying to eat it and acting like it doesn’t exist while it screams to the heavens above

[noble scarab]

They might have to be fully dead before grunts will touch them. I can’t see hellhounds needing or wanting to eat

Plus those horses still kick on occasion

[tardy citrus]

Why are they so intent on eating me then? I’m fully alive

[noble scarab]

They may be trying to kill then eat you. Also these things are there to guard the infected zones and to spread the plague, which the hunters oppose, so it makes sense for them to attack on sight

[tardy citrus]

Idk much about the lore but then do the infected things only attack things that oppose the spread of the plague?

[noble scarab]

No, they'd probably attack most anything nearby that was either a threat, or something they could convert. These things are controlled by an entity that can recognize and react to the Hunters, meaning the things under its control tend to be more hostile to those that come into the bayou.

[tardy citrus]

Does it control water devils?

[tardy citrus]

The horse isn’t a threat I don’t think so then can horses not be converted either? That’s why they leave the wounded ones alone?

[paper dock]

Any tidbit lore of the LeMat?

[empty owl]

aside from it being hardin's sidearm? not much

[noble scarab]

We haven’t seen a plagued horse and nothing in lore suggests that they can be, so I’d assume not. They just end up being eventual food for the grunts and things. Maybe the AHA even inoculates them, who knows

They’re clearly used to ferry people and supplies in and out of the bayou. The supply wagons are presumably pulled by them, the extract carriages are pulled by them, and it’s been noted in lore pages that hunters ride them into the bayou solo sometimes

[tardy citrus]

Ah

Yeah

[tardy citrus]

Hellhounds are corrupted dogs right?

[noble scarab]

Yes, but there is a difference in the hellhounds we see in game vs what we see in lore. The original hellhound was a German Shepard named Bunny. The hellhounds we see in game are a more mastiff-y looking dog. I believe these are hunting dogs that were brought in, but they succumbed to the corruption and became hellhounds. Other lore sources mention multitudes of rabid dogs of varying types roaming the bayous which may or may not be what we know as a hellhound.

[bold tangle]

what about the ones in pens

[empty owl]

is it just me or the marquis looks more like a letter opener more than it is a knife

[cold idol]

If you were a letter then yes

[deft mango]

Realistically, the hellhounds are dogs from almost any races
Maybe a chiwawa simply perish under the effect of the corruption but I think every dog from medium size to above can be a "good" hellhound

[swift yoke]

For the alphabet used is there any actual like Grammar?

[swift yoke]

As in like sentence structure or are the letters just the matching letters in the english alphabet

[bold tangle]

oh no idea

[noble scarab]

I’m not really sure about those. They look to have some serious issues like mange and starvation going on, but they aren’t hellhounds yet. The Sculptor makes copies, but usually it needs time and a cocoon of papery stuff to transform things thats not simply humans -> grunts. So those caged dogs could be step 1 in the hellhound process.

https://preview.redd.it/vlbwdtm79d251.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bc6c465b4f81a238bc12aa2a2733d28adf6ee58

Just look at them, they’re fucked up

Also the hunters may just dump new dogs in cages every so often to act as a sound trap or deterrent or something

The chickens are probably the originals, they’d be more likely to survive, minus the hunters shooting the cages on occasion. Chickens can and do eat each other, so it’s not too much of a stretch for them to survive off of pecking around and then eating each other if they need to

[tardy citrus]

Maybe animals have to be bitten or touched to be corrupted and hellhound are dogs that were attacked by grunts maybe?

[cold idol]

Maybe!

[tardy citrus]

Anyone know if water devils are corrupted eels or something?

[cold idol]

They're corrupted helminths

You could learn that by reading their lore

[opaque glade]

Looks like it hasn't eaten in a long time

[tardy citrus]

Yeah with nobody to feed them they have probably been eating any thing like grunts that walk to close or even eachother maybe

I assumed that they were dogs left there when the filth spread and they have been drinking rain water and blood along with flesh of grunts that come close to the cage

But looking at the timeline

That doesn’t really work

Unless the areas we see them were more recently abandoned

[earnest jungle]

It was not the Twitch Drop Campaign

[noble scarab]

I wonder if she’s another undead or has anything to do with it

[empty owl]

she could be a widow of some kind due to the veil

[restive patrol]

"Marked by death at birth, Sofia thought her visions a blessing until the day they led four dark figures to her family home. Flames consumed everything they touched, and as she watched, the horizon turned a yellow-red, familiar faces melted like wax, twisted in agony, and four gunshots echoed in the night, each followed by the cry of a familiar voice of a family member crossing through the veil.

When the last ember died, Sofia performed an old blood ritual, seeking guidance from Death. In that final vision, she saw bloated corpses, an old wooden gate, and a woman presiding over a cemetery blanketed with marigolds; her face blank and smooth, and her bony finger pointed at northeast.

Sofia followed the signs in pursuit of the Four. Death is ever-present in the Bayou, stalking any foolish enough to tread among its corrupted inhabitants. And so Sofia – said to be messenger and herald to that dark and ever-present Reaper – inevitably found her way to Louisiana, where she could be close to the source of her visions, and attempt to satiate her desire for vengeance. The American Hunter’s Association did not think twice to initiate her, and she now leads the dead – and the living – in the Bayou to their final sleep with the barrel of the Weeping Marigold and the blades of Eye for an Eye at her side, always searching." - Description from the Steam store

[noble scarab]

That’s interesting but I have no clue how that connects to anything

[empty owl]

she’s just another side character that has little impact on the lore i guess

[junior pecan]

All of the lore is tangents. Not surprising

[earnest jungle]

Perhaps that's why I love it I love stories that consist of nothing but tangents.

[wet sparrow]

Generally she has a pretty boring design

It seems like she is gonna be some random hunter who was well known without any impact on any of the factions

[opaque glade]

What if she goes against Doctor John?

[earnest jungle]

Strong disagree I really like the design especially after all of the over the top designs of late something nice and subtle is a refreshing pallet cleanse.

[noble scarab]

I do like the design but she does kinda look like that tier 2 huntress lady, I think they may have used part of that model for the jacket or something

[wet sparrow]

I personally feel like that a legendary hunter should be exactly that legendary

He should obviously stand out from everyone else

And generally nothing really stands out about her

It’s a bland design that could have been used for a tier 2 or 3 hunter

Unless we see her in gameplay and you can point her out everytime you see her I will stand with this

If I can’t point a hunter out in the field and call out the name from the looks alone it should not be a legendary hunter

[earnest jungle]

I don't know I think the Skull face decorations stand out

[noble scarab]

The hat and veil stand out

[opaque glade]

compared to other hunters, she stands out

You don't see many like her

can't say the same for Night Seer

You literally see him in every tier

AND legendary

[hidden shadow]

do billy story and lulu know eachother

would this explain why in this twitch drop she has some of his items or?

[empty owl]

no discernable connections yet, but since billy story is a blue book author and lulu is a working girl they may have crossed paths in the past

[hidden shadow]

It would be a cool storyline to explore imo

[molten wedge]

I wish there was more lore about the characters. like they should each have relationships with each other and bitter rivalries and such.

[mortal hinge]

i mean dont u have some sort of rivalry between the archaeologist and the prodigal daughter???

[molten wedge]

yeah but like there should be a rich history for all characters and how they hate and like each other.

[mortal hinge]

yeah thats true

[molten wedge]

even implement it in game when you kill someone that you hate in the lore you get extra bounty points

[mortal hinge]

i would like maybe some voice lines but thats unlikely

[fallow gorge]

Hopefully, it'll be explored in the new show coming up

Though we have some indirect references on how each faction leader sees each other

[hollow granite]

Hat fish. A creation from The Sculptor?

[opaque glade]

I heard Billy was a pimp (probably a joke) which means he could've met Lulu before

[icy brook]

Lulu revenge arc

[opaque glade]

Doctor John vs Sofia arc

I think that would make sense

Sofia is apparently told to send people to Death

while Doctor John (Bone Doctor) likes to uh, bring people back

technically

[icy brook]

That is an interesting concept

[fallow gorge]

I'm wondering who the four figures are in her visions

[wet sparrow]

The four riders of the apocalypse?

[fallow gorge]

Perhaps, it could also be hunters for all we know

[fierce carbon]

Anyone seen the new piano song in Lewis saloon

It's the same place as the posters are saying aswell

[noble scarab]

We don’t know, hopefully it will be tho

It might be an side story or something

[night harbor]

It took a few hours, but I updated my lore video with chapters for your convenience https://youtu.be/V1vSV-HVSrs

[fallow gorge]

Thank ya for your service

[quasi crow]

Does anyone else have a head-canon that whenever a compound receives a change such as a new building, entrance, or altered environment it's a result of the sculptor accidentally warping reality when it tries to summon new monsters?

[icy brook]

No but I do now

[sudden glacier]

I imagine that it's the timeline finally progressing, but localized

[deft mango]

It's an official series, I think they don't have to say that it's canon, why shouldn't it be? It's the first occasion to really expand the story

[fair agate]

Thank you, I died

[earnest jungle]

I have a new theory: the reason why William Salter had a greater degree of the Sculpture's influence in him was that the Sculptor intended for him to be a super spreader of sorts. The researcher's notes indicate that had Charlie found his brother before the Twins he would have tried to spirit him away form Louisiana in order to protect him, and in doing so would have spread the corruption outwards. William was in essence a carrier for the Sculptor's influence.

[noble scarab]

This is a good theory

We do have to note that he didn’t seem to overly infect the people at the asylum while he was there.

I think he bit the one Dr that Huff then presumably started experimenting on

But aside from that he didn’t seem to spread much of the corruption while there. He could’ve been in the early less infectious stages however

[dim gorge]

Don't think he's supposed to be a pimp, just a bit of a skeevy reporter. From the lore on his derringer, he appears to be based on the rl Billy Struve, who wrote the "Blue Book", a tour guide to Louisiana's brothels. So if he and Lulu met, he was probably a customer.

[opaque glade]

yeah makes sense

[untold blaze]

What’s the lore on the new hunter gal who’s got a burnt face?

[opaque glade]

Sofia?

[untold blaze]

Yes, thank you

[opaque glade]

I think her description talks about four people that killer her family (who they were is unknown I think

hold on, let me read up more on it

okay yeah, she apparently made a blood pact with death

because she had a insatiable thirst for vengeance

she in now in pursuit to heard the Four people's last breaths

I took that straight from her ingame store descriptiom

I never noticed her face was burned until you said it

She was "marked by death at birth"

she apparently had visions as a child

she thought they were a blessing until it lead the four people to burn her family

She made a blood ritual with death and had one final vision (I think)

"she saw bloated corpses, an old wooden gate, and a woman presiding over a cemetery blanketed by marigolds; her face blank and smooth, and her bony finger pointing northwest"

[untold blaze]

That’s fuckin metal as hell

I gotta get this chick

[opaque glade]

She is a herald/messager of death or something

[untold blaze]

Kinda like mothman?

[opaque glade]

I dunno

[sudden glacier]

mothman is a herald of barn owls, not of death

[opaque glade]

I definitely said a word wrong

[untold blaze]

Good point, but wasn’t he there before the point pleasant bridge collapse?

[sudden glacier]

no, because he doesn't exist

[opaque glade]

by messenger, they probably mean she kills people... probably obvious

probably not killed like a random mass murderer

but more like hunted down a specific target

possibly the four people

more than possibly

You get a vetterli (scoped I think) and a knife (possibly heavy knife)

the vetterli has is a marksman

Okay, karabiner marksman and throwing knives

and then legendary hunter Sofia

[earnest jungle]

As much as I love cryptids, Mothman was likely a frightened snowy owl that was misidentified in the darkness of the night.

The rough outline of mothman looks rather similar to an owl trying to make itself look big with the wings and the sightings stopped shortly after a hunter shot a large white owl

[opaque glade]

mothballman

[dapper dove]

You can also notice if you watch carefully that in the trailer, she kills 3 of the 4 murderers that killed her family, the last one running away in the second to last final shot, before seeing her, calmly getting ready for the chase to finalize her vengeance

[opaque glade]

Do any of them look similar to another person we know?

nevermind

they look like normal tier hunters

[dapper dove]

Yeah, just your run of the mill bad guys

[opaque glade]

Did they ever do a trailer for Lulu and other twitch drops?

or nah?

I hope they did

they did!

[untold blaze]

I know, i just like to believe, y’know man?

[opaque glade]

I like how in the trailer for Lulu

you can hear scrapbeak

and the tier hunter trying to melee Lulu

and then BANG

[earnest jungle]

I don't think that screech was the scrapbeak, I think it was the whine of a hive

[icy brook]

@upbeat kiln

Hey I just watched your factions video, awesome stuff, I really liked the explanation of how the inoculum became widespread

[distant tartan]

So i need some help

[upbeat kiln]

Hey! Glad you liked it! :)) ❤️ Appreciate you saying that!

[icy brook]

[distant tartan]

my friends religous and he read into the lore of the game and doesnt like the idea of demons and stuff and the upside down cross, he doesnt care as much about the "demons" as he does the upside down cross in the picture, so do you guys know of anything I could tell him? Ive tried to tell him the reason the;res a cross and an upside down cross is because the up-right cross resembles like the hunters doing good, while the upside down cross resembles the bad and he wasnt buying it haha, anything you guys could think of to help me get him to download the game again? because he does love the game just doesnt wanna play it if it resembles a bad purpose

[opaque glade]

Tell him it's just a unique letter h

H

see it?

[jovial basin]

i mean, it is h but split up to make two bounty tokens

H was originaly build around duos

[opaque glade]

yep

[whole coral]

@distant tartan It was the Cross of Saint Peter long before edgelords adopted it as any anti-meaning. He was crucified upside down because he felt he was not worthy to die like Jesus.

[opaque glade]

WHOOO WE FOUND SOMETHING

[jovial basin]

what a weird context to call people edgelords

[opaque glade]

I know

[whole coral]

😉

[upper turtle]

Not tryna be a prick and i respect anyone who chooses to follow a religion but your mate needs to not be a lil bitch man

[whole coral]

Now now, let's not resort to name calling.

[cold idol]

Can you sacrifice your friend for the glory of the satan?

Feels like a normal thing to do

[noble scarab]

its more like Cthulhu than demons far as we know anyway, its just viewed in lore from a more demonic angle since thats what these people would know of

[earnest jungle]

Well the symbolism of the crosses you've explained is spot on. Though the inverted cross was historically a symbol of humility before God it has in recent years come to symbolize the occult and satanic. Perhaps you should frame it like this: the cross represents salvation and the inverted cross represents damnation. It represents the duality between the hunters and the hunted and the ease by which the hunters can become the very monsters they hunt. Salvation can very quickly become damnation.

Furthermore the media one consumes does not reflect necessarily the moral character of those who consume it. Good people consume bad media and bad people consume good media. It would be wrong to say the media we consume is never reflective of our moral character, and just as wrong to say the media we consume is always reflective of our moral character. I for example have many many issues with a lot of western media because of how often they play into white washed accounts of the 19th century, but I still enjoy many old westerns. It is possible to enjoy media that you believe has problematic aspects. The point of being critical of media you consume is not that you should in every case cut out the media you consume because it has problems. The point is that in being critical of the media you consume you will understand the ideas that media is communicating and how it communicates them. Because they can only impact your moral character and world view if you let them.

You should also emphasize that if he doesn't want to play then you respect his choice not to play and you respect his religious beliefs.

[graceful anchor]

Hiya everyone, new to the community. Loved the game to where I’ve been wanting to know more about the lore and story of the game.

[earnest jungle]

Check pinned messages

And for a bit of shameless semi-self promotion watch HazmatFTW’s lore videos

[upbeat kiln]

This - was - beautiful

[tardy vortex]

This has probably been asked before but: Why can ALL hunters even use Dark Sight? They are a ferociously differentiated bunch and I can't see any single feature all hunters (legendaries) share. Do they acquire Dark Sight upon entering the bayou to hunt? Is this even addressed at all?

[lyric arrow]

IIRC all Hunters undergo a rite of initiation that enables them to use darksight

This Rite they underwent changes them to a degree and is also the reson they are not allowed to get pregnant - because then meatheads happen

[tardy vortex]

Eeeeew, what? Perhaps I should not have asked. 😄

[tardy sentinel]

Yeah the lore is pretty messed up

[noble scarab]

and per the Berthier lore it only sterilizes the women. Male hunters can still cause mini-meatheads

[dapper ibex]

What the fuck

So that’s how there made? And does the entity guy keep making them of the first one or can people not keep it in their pants

[upbeat kiln]

I tried not to giggle, but I did, and I'm not proud of it.

[noble scarab]

Little bit of both. For the most part the Sculptor creates a template from one original creature, then it replicates that, usually by means of a grunt cocooning itself, though copied meatheads may arise from grunts gorging themselves on flesh and becoming infested with leeches. However we do see that some still happen “organically” though it is rare, especially after the serum was modified.

Pregnant Hunters are said to be extremely powerful, however something about the demon blood doesn’t vibe with the baby and thus results in a meathead

The case with the fellow from the Berthier lore is that he got a normal lady pregnant, and she began having extreme cravings for Hellhounds, and she began eating whole hounds raw and rotting.

[dapper ibex]

Yummy demon dog?

[tardy sentinel]

The demon blood doesn't vibe with the baby

That there is a sentence that I'm going to use to explain it to my friends

[bold tangle]

tf did I just read

[tardy sentinel]

What the

Who comes up with this stuff lmao

How do we make something messed up

[noble scarab]

Someone posted the lore pages in here awhile back if you want the more detailed version

[bold tangle]

im more concerned that’s the non detailed version

[tardy sentinel]

Yeaaaahh lol

[upbeat kiln]

Hey all clever lore people. What entries contain information about Lynch? I already have "The Papers of Hayden Collins" and "As Bad As They Seem", but where else can I find information about her? 🙂

[noble scarab]

She's mentioned the first Nagant Officer page, where it describes her and Hardin's partnership. She taught him basically everything he knows about Hunting.

You could also check her Legendary skins: I don't recall the names, but she has a knife and a Crown and King.

looked it up: Reaper's Arm & Black Widow & Black Wight

[upbeat kiln]

Thank you @noble scarab , you magnificent possum 😄

[earnest jungle]

Some of the Trial Descriptions also have info on her

[valid dove]

Where can I see berthier pages if I dont have it unlocked? Any have it here?

[noble scarab]

Someone posted them in this chat awhile ago, so if you scroll back far enough, it’s all there

[noble scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/370142302196334593/908146123523375144/Hunt_Showdown_Screenshot_2021.11.11_-_01.07.50.06.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/370142302196334593/908146125649891338/Hunt_Showdown_Screenshot_2021.11.11_-_01.07.54.62.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/370142302196334593/908146129886122025/Hunt_Showdown_Screenshot_2021.11.11_-_01.07.57.26.png

Went back and found it, credit to Rachta Z for the pages

[torn schooner]

So what guns does Marshall brewer use do we know? Cause I know certain hunters prefer certain weapons like Hardin and the bornheim

[icy brook]

I know for sure she uses a martini, but I can’t recall the name of the skin atm

[torn schooner]

I think it was a twitch drop

Which means I can’t get it but still time to get a Marshall to 50 with a martini

[lyric arrow]

long hand

It's one of the base martini skins

[torn schooner]

Oh is it?

And I’ll probably pair it with like a idk bornheim or officer just cause those seen cop like

Do Marshall brewer and sheriff harden know each other. I feel like they either work together or hate each other

[noble scarab]

They should know each other, but I don't believe it's ever expressed in lore anywhere.

Hardin was not exactly part of the "inner circle" of the AHA but he was well known to Lynch, Huff, and Finch. So I'd imagine the Marshall would've met him at some point. I doubt she would approve of his methods, if she was even aware of them.

[fossil needle]

Blood Bonds. Are they just the in game premium currency or do they have any sort of significance in lore? Black Market currency, cursed money, etc?

I assume Hunt Dollars are just like a form of older USD, like how the dollar held more value during that time

[empty owl]

i think blood bonds were to be some part of a currency specifically used by hunters

but i might be wrong

[fossil needle]

Could be. I mostly wonder because there is some sort of lore to just about everything, even perks/traits so I figured BBs would too

[noble scarab]

I think blood bonds are mentioned in a few of the in game ads and things

I know they were on the newspaper that was advertising the Vapors

[torn schooner]

I always assumed that a BB was like a quarter and a hunter dollar wwas like a penny (not correct math but basically same value but ones more expesive)

[fossil needle]

Yeah I get the idea! It could be. Bronze vs Gold Coins almost. It would explain why it's used to purchase decadent/exotic weapons and Hunters

Some Hunters may be extremely high skilled and only accept BB as payment for contracts

[arctic tundra]

gun

[restive patrol]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hunt-showdown-tv-series-wont-be-about-jump-scares-says-executive-producer/ new info about the upcoming show, might interest some of y'all

[mint glade]

That's some good news. Jumpscares are dumb and don't really contribute much to the mood. It's also promising that they mention slower pacing, though I hope they don't go too far in that direction. If there's something that Mandalorian made me realise, is that many shows have awful tempo, typically, but not exclusively, trying to maintain "exciting" tempo way too much, but it's the balance that's most important. Balance which fits the mood and setting. They seem to be aware of that, hopefully they can pull it off correctly.

[molten wedge]

If only the people that made midnight mass were making it.

[slim hatch]

Watch it they are totally gonna add a sex scene and a family scene involving Hunters. And that will be the moment I'll drop watching it.
Those who know lore know what I'm referring to.

[hallow kraken]

I just had a thought about the show. I hope they can actually find older guns like the lebel or spencer to use in the show, having interesting guns like that really make hunt unique, otherwise it would just be the standard western using only Winchesters and 45 colts. I feel like that would get boring

And I hope they find a way to incorporate the bomb lance

[lyric arrow]

I mean for a prop maker that shouldn't be hard to make

bunch of wood and foam...

[hallow kraken]

But to make it shoot something

That’d be awesome

[lyric arrow]

yeah would be

[hallow kraken]

But I’m really not sure how they’d do something like the avtomat

Just find a Howell automatic

[lyric arrow]

This goes off lore - but in prop making it just needs to look right on the outside, what's inside doesn't matter

so likely a Huot repro and fit it to a mosin, or fit the mosin wooden stock to a huot repro

[icy brook]

Or just use real period accurate reproductions

Usually Pendersoli or a prop house with repros will rent them out

I am interested to see how the gunplay in the show will look, I hope they have a good consulting team, maybe get a black powder silhouette or some cowboy action guys and gals to give them tips

[hallow kraken]

Hmmm maybe they’ll have all the actors jumping and crouching up and down super fast for that authentic hunt footage

[rustic nova]

Anyone read the Monster Hunter International (MHI) books? Did the devs read any before/while developing the game?

There are many similarities including that the fictional company MHI was founded in 1895 in the south US and bounties on monsters are a main focus. I think there should be a legendary hunter representing the founder of MHI.

[lethal tusk]

Not sure how turning into a werewolf would work in hunt, but it would be awesome. Ive read the first MHI book. enjoyed it alot, been looking to read the other

[slender gate]

could the new hunter be related to, or mother to, The Kid?

[jovial basin]

didnt see any indication on the hunters description on that

not even mentioned that the kid has a mother

[weary gate]

anyone else notice for the last two or three months lower desalle's boss lair piano has a different song that in unique to that location? it popped up around the same time as the PSB posters were appearing all over the bayou. i know the poster states something along the lines of a concert on Dec 10th. Does the Port Sulphur Band have any like albums or something along those lines coming out then or is this a possible hint to the winter event?

[noble scarab]

It’s a teaser for the new Port Sulphur Band album, which should drop the 10th

[distant echo]

who is lulu?

and she is so tryhard

[slender gate]

How do you not have a mother?

[earnest jungle]

I mean strictly speaking if the person who gave birth to you (this is the hypothetical you not you specifically) were a trans man you would be an individual who didn’t have a mother.

If motherhood is of course defined strictly as the status of being a woman who has given birth to someone.

Such a definition would exclude women who adopted their children or used surrogates to have children from being mothers of their children

[tiny cargo]

This is 1895 there aren't trans people or test tube babies

[earnest jungle]

Actually that’s where you wrong on the first count at least. Albert Cashier is believed by many historians to have been a trans man at least based on his life after his service in the civil. Because I doubt most cis people would spend 50 years pretending to be the opposite gender just for a pension nor request that the name listed on their tombstone be the name they lived by.

[slim hatch]

Well purely from application a child raised without a mother is well without a mother. Sure they were born but never knew her as such expression wise it would be correct. Aka “No mother figure” for ex. Raised by single father or in an orphanage

Then one could say “(Raised) without mother / father / parents“ or “Has no mother / father / parents”

But we are dwelling into semantics of language and expressions back to the lore now chop chop

[earnest jungle]

There actually is some fairly decent LGBT rep in the lore.

Jos and Allison are a confirmed lesbian couple

You’ve got Jonas and Gator from the Water Devil series

[tiny cargo]

This isn't about lgbt

And I have a sneaking suspicion that the kid wasn't birthed by a transgender

[icy brook]

Judging from the relative age of both Lulu and The Kid I would wager no, she is not his mother

[slender gate]

Not lulu, the new one coming

[icy brook]

In that case perhaps, I just read the description for the Lawless, my bad

But yeah that actually makes sense, or he could have been one of her apprentices

[noble scarab]

Didn't the Kid's family all die in a fire?

[jovial basin]

Yea, i was just making a joke, but i shouldve expected it gets immediately into that discussion. Thanks to @earnest jungle to try to educate on the history of trans people which gets erased a lot

[heady flame]

they should at least have 1 cool scene where a sniper who sits around doing nothing all day (in a tense situation) gets a sick snipe

[jovial basin]

Nah, the same but missing the shot

[twilit quiver]

Are there any sign of PTSD in legendary hunters lore ? I didn't seen any, and it seems weird since a lot of them had lived through hard things + the fact that they are fighting otherworldly mutated "things" that often look like heavily deformed human figures (ex : the spider boss)

[empty owl]

there is a mention of nadia orville being the more saner of the night of the hunter and the experience told in the martini henry entries and the implication to the louisiana hunter wars somewhat haunted her

the beast master also seemed to have PTSD of somesort from what little we know of him

[twilit quiver]

thx 👍

[wintry root]

Do we know what Sheriff Hardin in the sheriff of? New Orleans? DeSalle? Where is his jurisdiction?

[fallow gorge]

Nadia's Winfield skin, "Night terrors" describes her guilt as a hunter i believe. Another example is from the lore concerning how trio's came to exist, Thomas Bridge AKA the mountain man has ptsd from this experience.

[wintry root]

Also, do we know anything about the New York event mentioned in Accounts Received (2020 Christmas event story)?

[fallow gorge]

There's a whole backstory to that i believe.

I believe a small grunt outbreak happened in New York

[wintry root]

Did anything major come of that or was it immediately contained?

[empty owl]

immediately contained i think

[wintry root]

Thanks

All I need's an answer about Hardin's jurisdiction now

[fallow gorge]

No idea, it's never been specifically mentioned

That also makes me curious, what was Marshal Brewer's jurisdiction as well?

[wintry root]

Likewise, I have no clue

But a quick Google search shows that a Marshall has jurisdiction in every state while a sheriff is a county elected official

So Brewer's jurisdiction is "yes" (/wherever the government tells her to work)

Another thing

When did this whole deal spread to DeSalle? Did it happen when the event started or later?

The map trailers gave me the impression it spread later

[hallow kraken]

Well if you read rednecks lore, they said they found him held up in his house in desalle in a place “long declared corrupted” so I think it was there for a while

[wintry root]

Huh, that does throw a spanner into the works.

Pardon, allow me to rephrase that. A decoy into the compound?

Or summat

[mint glade]

Huh? I'm pretty sure Marshall Brewer lost her function/position/whatyoucallit and she's more called so out of courtesy/tradition.

"faced a terrible choice when she became a Hunter: to renounce a lifetime’s work."

[wintry root]

okay, I guess her jurisdiction is "no" then

ha gotyy

[noble scarab]

The AHA is a sort of secret organization so I'd say she had to give up her official power in order to join in

[fallow gorge]

Yes the story is moving forward albeit in a slow pace

[hallow kraken]

I think the show will jump start it though

[rotund ferry]

Excited for the Port sulphor band albumn

Kinda wondering if there’ll be lore

[earnest jungle]

There’s always lore all of the songs in the game are lore songs

[wintry root]

iirc the original songs (pre-Bullet's Lullaby) had no lore relevance, but everything after that does

[earnest jungle]

All of the songs have lore relevance because all of the songs exists in universe

[wintry root]

yeah they exist in-universe, but the original ones don't have any lore relevance beyond that. they're not about events that happened in-universe, is what I'm trying to say

sinner's blues is almost a marching song for the Sinners, I'd say. Devil in the Churchyard could be a tale from the early days of the Event when the corruption was just beginning to spread.

As for the others I have no idea

nothing extremely lore important, is what I'm trying to say

[rotund ferry]

Need a mart robins esq trail song

[wintry root]

Need a Hunt music video for Big Iron where Marshall Brewer fucking kills Redshirt with a big iron

[rotund ferry]

Sooooo guys, odd but serious question, after seeing several models in game im wondering how many of our legendary hunters are actually dead? The reason I say this is the doctor grunts (I only have a cap of the doc so far, most hunters in the bayou dont seem to know what parlay means >.>) appear to have models similar to the Researcher Harold Black and I know Ive seen Revenant grunts as well as The Commited Grunts

Pardon the bad screeny, I wasnt smart enough to pack an antidote with me that run =/

[sudden glacier]

I don't think there are any grunts specifically trying to be legendary hunters considering they can't be turned...

[rotund ferry]

Fair point, but neither the rev nor the doc were "hunters" per-say early on, mayhaps just shared models but the commited prisoners ive seen were damn close to the model we have for the legendary hunter currently

also is your PFP a reference to a certain 40k inquisitor ^.-

[sudden glacier]

it's just the SoB idol with a Christmas hat :)

[rotund ferry]

😄 the emperor protects m'lady

[sudden glacier]

lol

[barren frigate]

I just came here to ask about the songs actually. In “light the shadow” there’s the lyrics “buzz in my veins, the moth alights”

Obviously the moth has been referenced a lot

And the buzz in the veins is clearly a reference to the grunts having larvae blood

But do you know if there’s a significance behind the moth? Like in death is a bird flying, “in his hands he held a moth”

[mint glade]

It's more likely a reference to the serum hunters drink to become hunters. It's supposedly somehow made of demons. I haven't unlocked all the lore pages just yet, so I can't really cross reference yet.

[mint glade]

Hard to say.

Moths are usually associated with the night. Moths are fairly fragile and attracted to the light. I think it's supposed to symbolise something fleeting.

After reading lyrics, I think lyrical subject of that song is death itself. Refrain repeats, but stanzas refer to different situations where people either die or lost someone with lyrical subject consoling them by saying they'll join soon their loved ones in death.

"Dried are her tears
These four years gone
An unmarked grave
The setting sun"

Could mean woman who lost a husband without even knowing where he's buried. He might have been robbed and killed, died while hunting (most likely not Hunting, though),fell ill while travelling or myriad other ways.

"Dark was the night
It's wings were red
Spread 'cross the sky
O'er thousands dead"

Sounds like a great fire devastated a sizeable city.

"In that one night
Ten thousand gone
I walked with them
We sang this song"

Ten thousands, marching, signing and dying brings an image of a battle to my mind.

After each of those stanzas, lyrical subject says

"Be still my dear
Don't cry don't cry
For soon you will be at his/her side"

As a form of consolation, the loss is temporary and they will be reunited quickly enough. And of course at the very end we have:

"We think of death unholy end
But I will take you home again

In the night you pray
In the night I fly"

Which implies that it is the death signing, combination of repeated "death is a bird flying" and final "In the night I fly", and either there is some form of afterlife from which we come and where we go after death or in similar but much darker sense "nothingness" is our home: we come from nothingness, we don't exist before we are born and after death, when we cease to exist, we "go home" back to nothingness.

[mint glade]

Now one stanza is different:

"Dark was his face
Shrouded in cloth
And in his hand
He held a moth"

Which instead of usual "Be still..." is succeeded by

"He let it fly
And took my hand
Said would i take him home again"

and only then "Be still..." refrain is repeated. This suggests that moth-holding character is somehow different. Could it be the Scrapbeak asking death for a release? Moths are small, fluffy, fragile, fleeting and drawn to the light, burning to death if they come too close to the flame. But it seems to me that more important part here is letting the moth fly, which might symbolise "letting go" of worldly attachments. Someone "lets' go" of attachments and asks death to take him "home", back into afterlife or back into nothingness.

[wintry root]

This does seem to make sense Iirc it's been said somewhere that Scrapbeak was a confederate soldier before he was sculpted. So this talk of battles and cities burning does make sense

[median oar]

hello guys about the songs that they released today does anyone know if the miners lament and its dark in the new Orleans are somewhere in the game?

[noble scarab]

They’re not, far as I know. The saloon piano in Desalle does play a banger of something that I’m pretty sure wasn’t on the album

It might be part of miners lament, unsure

[mint glade]

I'm sure that each stanza refers to different person or event, with only last one possibly being about Scrapbeak. That being said, game happens about 30 years after American Civil War, so plenty of people who lived through it are still around.

But I don't think song is focused strictly on American Civil War. Stanza implying battle likely does refer to Civil War, but fire most likely does not. While I could not find any battle which took part at night and had casualties counting into ten thousands, it could be a case of poetic license, referring to multiple battles which lasted many days or dragged well into the night.

I'm having trouble associating city fire in a song with any event from American Civil War. While General Sherman was infamous for destruction of assets of military value, collateral damage in civilian lives was low, he ordered evacuation of Atlanta before burning it to the ground and I can not find any data on death toll on burning of Columbia.

Meanwhile, this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_town_and_city_fires has a few candidates, with those: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshtigo_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hinckley_Fire being the best matches I could find. That's of course assuming "thousand dead" is to be taken somewhat literally, implying at least couple hundred dead, instead of being pure poetic license.

[noble scarab]

I’d be willing to be it’s just a mix of poetic license and a description of what was happening as the sculptor took over

[mint glade]

Yes, song referring to events caused by Sculptor is indeed a possibility.

Well, at least the fire part.

[noble scarab]

I’d be interested to know if Dark is Rising was the song the band was playing right before the corruption happened. You heard a live crowd with applause and everything. Plus what sounds to be trumpets and a violin, which were what was described in their lore

South Carolina was mentioned during the Light the Shadow Event

Far as a vine goes that could be kudzu, ivy, honey suckle, bittersweet,

Not that any of those are NC or SC specific

[novel saffron]

There's also a Chitimatcha legend translated as "Why the blackbird has red wings" that's about a man setting fire to the swamp. Maybe they were inspired by this story and adapted it to sing about some city fire or similar event

[mint glade]

Hmm. Apparently Chitimatcha lived on territory which became Louisiana.

That's an interesting angle. I assumed that that stanza is about city fire, because "wings of read spread across the sky" could be an allegory for glow of a large fire, as visible on the "dark night" sky.

But any large fire could fit that description. It absolutely could mean swamp fire that killed high hundreds. That interpretation could merge legend with potential destruction in early phase of infestation. Good find, thanks.

http://www.native-languages.org/chitimachastory2.htm

So far I found only this retelling on the 'net.

[novel saffron]

Yeah that's the one that I found

[mint glade]

"One day an Indian became so angry with everyone that he set the sea marshes on fire because he wanted to burn up the world. "

This does sound similar to what Sculptor is doing, or at least how humans perceive his doings.

[novel saffron]

By the way I was trying to connect Death is a flying bird and Bullet's Lulluby (since they reference eachother) to Scrapbeak's Lore

[mint glade]

Hmm. Yes, there are thematic similarities and callbacks between those two.

That's why I said "how humans perceive his doings".

I highly doubt Sculptor is trying to help, but I do consider that his motives are inscrutable, so to speak.

He might simply enjoy creating new things. He might seek understanding of something, simply not caring about human suffering.

The Sculptor does not have to be actively malicious, merely uncaring.

Indeed.

[novel saffron]

The strange thing I found is that in Death is a Flying Bird the story appears to be a sort of "Lover longing to be back together with the deceased partner" but in Scrapbeak's lore, what appears to be their son, says that his parents didn't really like eachother, maybe hinting to abusive behaviour from his father

[mint glade]

Abusive people have their own, twisted definition of love, something that their child could very well notice.

[novel saffron]

Specifically what he is saying in the last paragraph: "...Never married, those two. Didn't much like each other. No real animosity between them either, but you know how people are about couples having kids and not getting married." ... "Papa was a nice man. A quiet man. A peaceful man. The neighbors all agreed. But they don't know what happened in that house in the dark hours. Ain't none of them known what he was really like, did they? Well they gonna find out now."

[mint glade]

That's possible, but personally I doubt it.

[mint glade]

I just realised, those songs ARE about Civil War. I didn't pick up on significance of mentions of "those four years".

"The American Civil War (April 12, 1861 – May 9, 1865)"

Less than a month over 4 years.

I was thinking in too wide a scope.

This in turn means that @rotund ferry 's suggestion could be a twisted version of PTSD. Scrapbeak came back, his spirit dead, and asks death to reunite his body and spirit.

I don't know yet, but it doesn't seem to fit pattern of marching songs.

Right now, I think it's about death too. Greeks considered Thanathos (death) and Hypnos (sleep) siblings. Motif of death being an eternal sleep is widespread.

And, well, if a bullet sings you a lullaby,it's going to be quite final.

As such I think bullet's lullaby is an euphemism for death.

I'm not sure if lyrical subject in bullet's lullaby is death, or indeed an actual bullet, though.

Not necessarily.

Imagine line infantry, each dead inside from horrors of war, firing a salvo.

Oh.

Wait. It's after he returned.

Hmm. Let me think.

[tired jay]

Might also be referencing the subject realizing inevitable death. Like if a gun was pointed right at you, about to shoot. That might be quite haunting.

[mint glade]

I interpreted that line without context of previous lines.

My interpretation of this is just asking for death, not having to live with what one saw or did.

PTSD is a serious thing, it merely wasn't researched back then.

I still think it's just past of war haunting. In war one kills, "sows" death in a way.

Now, this is interesting.

Somone came back from war, or was brought back by Sculptor as a spirit of vengeance, you mean?

As for "soul I'd keep", this phrasing in a bit archaic language can mean "save", "keep FROM harm".

Please elaborate. I don't see the conflict.

[tired jay]

I wonder if the "Death letter" Nagant Officer has any significance. I mean it does repeat the song's chorus rather precisely.

[tired jay]

I mean like 50% of tier 2+ hunters have some kind of face covering.
So I'd assume it's referencing some unusually masked up guy.

Otherwise it could be pretty much anyone

Thing is tho, from what we see in game, all the hunters wearing uniforms actually show their face.
Seems more likely that it's talking about a criminal maybe? Someone who actually has something to hide. Perhaps they might well long for the sweet release of death. A guilty conscience? But then, a soldier most certainly has that as well.

[harsh ruin]

i think it means exactly that, used to say the same thing when praying before bed as a child "I pray the lord my soul to keep"

[novel saffron]

Imo "Dark was his face, Shrouded in cloth, And in his hand, He held a moth" refers to a cadaver. Sometimes skin darkens after death because of the blood coagulating, bodies are often shrouded (think of the classic ghost imagery) and moths are associated with the afterlife in various folklore

[wintry root]

A bit unrelated but I've always kinda assumed that Scrapbeak appeared after the event had been going on for some time. Is this correct, or was he there from the start?

(/earlier, given how the Assasin seems to have been developing even before the event started)

Maybe the stanza is referring to its soul then

A ghost or trapped spirit of some kind

Yeah but when is that in-timeline?

I guess that would make it 1896. The event started in 1895 iirc, but I think it was stated somewhere that the plot had moved into 1896

[wintry root]

I think M(i)ech had a really good take on it

[mint glade]

@rotund ferry Personally, I think you take it a bit too literally. Poetry and songs usually rely on symbolism.

[novel saffron]

I don't know if they tried to evacuate Louisiana when the all thing went down, that's the only thing that would suggest going away from their homes. But I feel death is surely a more likely interpretation. I think M(i)ech was referring to the general interpretation, as, expecially in Hunt's lore, stories told are rarely factual and heavily reliant on symbolism and superstition

[mint glade]

I mean, everything, you take everything too literally. There isn't somone literally holding a moth, moth is a symbol, letting it fly is a symbol.

Also, lyrical subject typically stays constant throughout the poem or song, you keep flipping songs lyrical subject between stanzas. Unless there's strong indication otherwise, like different voice appearing in a song, it's all the same person, idea or concept singing.

[jagged tide]

I like that there is something hidden in Darkside with PSB. They should ad lore that can only be found in darkside.

[mint glade]

You generally can't interprete parts separately. Breaking down into components, like stanzas, is useful, but it needs to tie back together in the end.

That's why I think that death is signing "Death is a bird flying", after breaking it down with such assumption, when you put it back together the song still works.

Not really.

In that one night
Ten thousand gone
I walked with them
We sang this song

Lyrical subject is separate.

Dark was his face
Shrouded in cloth
And in his hand
He held a moth

He let it fly
And took my hand
Said would I take him home again

Yeah, death is signing, consoling dead, dying and grieving, by telling them they will soon be reunited with loved ones. Reunited in death.

[novel saffron]

If anyone wants to try and decode whatever is written on this piece of paper shown in the Winter Solstice event trailer that just dropped

[sudden glacier]

that's just cursive, but really low res

[novel saffron]

The only thing I can easily see is "flectere si nequeo superos acheronta movebo" written on the side, that is from the Aeneid, and roughly translates to "If I cannot move heavens powers, then I shall move the ones from hell"

[earnest jungle]

The devs explained this in a Q&A the bosses seem defensive because they’re hiding from us. They sense our presence just as we sense there’s and they know we can send them back to Hell

[sudden glacier]

I can read "By the ag(q?)" in the top line, the rest is too low res

[novel saffron]

I believe it says "by the agreement", it seems some sort of contract

[earnest jungle]

When Avis JR is talking about his father and the war he talks about how no one really wins a war. All war does is create cracks for the devil come out of and his father cracked during the war

[noble scarab]

A Hunter contract maybe? Some factions might do that sorta thing, after all Hardin made them swear an oath

[earnest jungle]

As for the Bullets Lullaby, and Death is a Bird Discourse… both songs are very clearly about Avis Wyndham Sr aka the Scrapbreak.

Scrapbeak is the “bird” in death is a bird

The Scrapbeak was the most feared of all the Bounties

Believed by some to have been a personification of death itself

[noble scarab]

Looking at the trailer I actually think it’s a Timothy Stone thing, I think his lore had him assassinating folks

[earnest jungle]

The person singing “you’ll pay for what you reap, when I come calling. I am the storm, the eye, I am the lullaby” is Avis/Scrapbeak

Talking

The Scrapbeak lost everything in Louisiana: his arms, his legs, his innocence, and finally his birds.

[noble scarab]

I also think these songs are switching speakers or perspectives

[earnest jungle]

I suspect the two primary narrators of the song are Avis Sr and his unnamed wife

[novel saffron]

By the agreement; the Hunter enters into a partnership with Mr Orwell... can't understand whats written. To those who agree with the terms the signee will be given powers beyond their limits in exchange for physical or something. If the signee should breaks the terms of the agreement, may hell some verb upon them and send them to the fiery depths of something with pain in every fiber of their something

[novel saffron]

Whatever is written in cursive I couldn't decipher

[earnest jungle]

It’s a contract signed in blood

[sudden glacier]

blood contracts do be concerning

[earnest jungle]

Perhaps a new game mode that combines the last man standing aspect of quickplay with bounty hunt

[noble scarab]

Cant imagine them going that far for 1 event

[earnest jungle]

I don’t think the Raise Your Voice in Praise is teasing a mew map outside Louisiana because the devs have stated explicitly and repeatedly that all maps are going to be situated in Louisiana

The songs is most likely about the passage of the seasons from spring when the Jasmine is blooming, to summer when the Jasmine withers, to fall when it rots

Now with the talk of the darkness rising, and the changing of seasons I suspect the next map will either be a second fall map or a winter map.

Depending on whether you see Lawson and Stillwater as representing two summer maps or a summer and spring map.

Either way we’ll likely see the next map sometime in 2023

If it is foreshadowing a new map.

[rotund ferry]

Who do you think are the singers in Its Dark In New Orleans? And what do you think "two above, three below" means?

[earnest jungle]

It’s Dark in New Orleans is the backstory for the Port Sulfur Band. There were five members of the Band in DeSalle when the corruption hit. Only the lead singers survived. Two above three below

[earnest jungle]

I’ve just had a revelation

The Sculptor is a Chthonic entity

“They say they found the answer, way down in King Snake Mine”

Chthonic spirits were often associated with darkness, and the dead

And the Sculptor is strongly associated with both darkness and the dead specifically the dead returned to life to consume the living

Now the Sculptor and his darkness is being compared the darkness of mines

And that the answers to what’s going on can be found in King Snake Mine

It would also explain why one of the songs is just an instrumental piece meant to imitate the pounding of picks and sledges against stone and the grunting of miners

[novel saffron]

I like this 👆

[rotund ferry]

So explain what's going on in kingsnake

[noble scarab]

might be the corruption started there

[earnest jungle]

In the new song Rabbit in the Mine makes numerous illusions to being trapped in the darkness of a mine with the last verse explicitly mentioning King Snake Mine: "He says he found the answer, way down in King Snake Mine. if you stay down there too long you'll be the rabbit in the mine."

[earnest jungle]

So opinions on the significance of the album art for Sinner's Songbook

[rotund ferry]

No clue but does anyone know what happens in the intro "song"?

[opaque glade]

someone sings

[noble scarab]

the intro seems have someone turn on a piano and a record player, which in turn alerts the grunts, which then in turn alerts an enemy Hunter and some people get shot

[earnest jungle]

The trading cards also him at the cthonic nature of the Sculptor specifically: The Roots of Darkness

[strange jacinth]

Do you think we'll ever see the sculptor?

[mint glade]

Reading this (before reading next messages), I just realised that we already have one fall map and 2 maps that can conceivably be summer and late spring, so winter map would fit the pattern.

This. Showing the monster in it's "full glory" is the worst thing horror genre can do, and in game it would be exceedingly difficult to include the Sculptor without players eventually getting full view or worse finding some way to defeat it.

Now, If Crytek ever decided to close the game and servers, that would be an excellent closing event, modification of Bounty Hunt where The Sculptor is a boss and PvP is heavily dis-incentivised. That would both close the story, with defeat of The Sculptor, and figuratively kill off the mood and horror aspect of the game, signifying final and total end of the story.

[pearl zinc]

as long as they dont do the activision blizzard tho

[rotund ferry]

i just want more info on him and lynch and finch

[honest rose]

The Royal Snake

Tbh i didn't take it literally

Didn't think that far

[thorny meadow]

The hunters were able to acquire demon blood through some kind of blood ritual. Basically they get an unwilling subject and they incapacitate them through blunt force and then pacify them with a sedative. Next, they have there tongue removed so that they can't call for help and are nailed to the ground with large railroad spikes in the hands and feet. The eye would be gouged out and with the tongue would be used in the summoning of the demon. The victim would then be skinned down to the muscle leaving only the face intact. The skin would be dried in the sun and made into some sacrificial rope. What's left of the tongue in the victim's mouth would be used as a calling card where the conjuror's name would be sewn in. Salt would be laid out on the ground in the shape of a pentacle with the victim being placed on the border of the circle which would work as a bait and gateway to the 'other side' if you will. Inside and around the circle, demonic symbols be painted with ash would work as a trap for the demon. With the trap complete and the bait set the only thing left to do is to wait for a demon to come. A few minutes go by and a faceless, otherworldly, abomination would appear. The entity would be drawn to the victim with a large purple tongue which I could only assume would attempt to consume the victim in some horrifying demonic fashion. The conjuror would push the demon into the pentacle while it was distracted and then lassoing it with the sacrificial rope which would make it permanently trapped under the conjurors spell. Finally, the conjuror would kill the demon and then distill it in a week long process that would turn the demon's corpse into a liquid which would be used in the serum.

[tardy sentinel]

wtf

i thought the meathead lore was messed up

how did they find out to do all that lol seems kinda complicated to just happen upon

[tiny cargo]

Discovered by the local frat house