#lore-discussion

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hasty raven
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So some monsters were originally created without the Sculptor having any influence over it (Meatheads, the Butcher, Immolators) and it copied them, while some may have/were definitely purposefully influenced into being created so they could be replicated

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There's also the case of Hellhounds and Water Devils, and they're unique because they both are supposedly created incidentally and apprently not replicated from anything, but at the same time, have very little evidence supporting their actual existence

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Especially Hellhounds

narrow halo
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Oh so scrapbeak's eggs are part of the lore now 🤦

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Your copies of the bosses part is complete crap, I feel my chromosomes suiciding just by reading it

hasty raven
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ok

narrow halo
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And once again you bring up your "hellhounds and waterdevil arent real" bs

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How many times do I have to teach you this lesson old man

hasty raven
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I would love to have another discussion to explain all of the reasons that lead me to think that, but I'm going to bed

hasty raven
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I'm sorry if you're mad because I'm taken or something, but you should move on

narrow halo
narrow halo
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I need restraining order against your whacky ass homebrew theories

hasty raven
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I mean, it's moreso putting together the lore entries than theorizing, but goodnight

narrow halo
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No, it's putting together what little lore we have, picking the random thing from it and saying "Now this thing, this one thing is undisputedly true. All the other things aren't as true"

slim panther
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Why are folks getting feisty over something as simple as lore?

narrow halo
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Because this here character is coming up with the stupidest theories there can be

clever bison
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Pop back into the Lore channel after a few days and the first thing I see is pretender once again trying to get the attention of his senpai

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Some lore theories can be silly, but it's just people having fun with the game and the lore the Devs gave us 🙂

jagged tide
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Wait, what? I had the same theory for some time, but didnt know it was confirmed. Can you give me the source?

sharp schooner
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I feel like there's nothing random about the origins of the hive or the other variants. This is never stated directly, so choose your amount of salt to take my theory with, but both the hive and immolator origin stories share the same thematic element of extraordinary anguish leading up to their monstrous transformation.
The immolator was an incorruptible priest who would bottle up his anger and resentment to the extremes while he was savagely bullied and blackmailed to give up his moral devotions. Upon reaching his breaking point he literally exploded in fiery wrath after holding it back for inhumanly long.
The hive was a widowed mother of seven who had given her everything to endure against mounting adversity and hardship, living her life for everyone but herself. When she finally surrendered to apathy she became basically a matron icon, hosting a thousand hardships in her self-abjected body, finally manifesting her multitude of endured pains as her swarming, teeming children - the bees.

To me it seems the sculptor is somehow attracted to these intense emotional tragedies and inhuman suffering, molding them into forms representative of their sins and tribulations...

dim delta
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maybe the soldier in the scrapbeak trailer get infected and he's a new speciment and not a variant of one

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or something like that idk

sharp schooner
narrow halo
hallow kraken
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I still legitimately don’t understand meathead lore

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Like was there just a two foot tall meathead going on a rampage killing hunters

sharp schooner
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I can't remember the meathead lore in detail. It had to do with the exclusion of female hunters from AHA bc the inoculation of pregnant women could lead to a meathead being born.

sharp schooner
hallow kraken
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Couldn’t they just curb stomp it? They’re hunters and they have guns too

sharp schooner
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You gotta read the entries carefully, or if someone else remembers the specifics better they can tell. As far asI remember it could've been it was so unnaturally fast and strong they underestimated it. And I can't remember if the people present at its birth were all armed hunters or not.

hallow kraken
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The entries can be very weird sometimes

sharp schooner
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I mean, the whole alien franchise counts on variably armed and trained professionals being unable to squish a facehugger before it gets its way...

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So faulty deduction says mini meathead is perfectly plausible 😄

narrow halo
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Monsters in lore are stronger than in game

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Twins had problems dispatching a single meathead

bold tiger
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They also basically one hit one with a sledgehammer

narrow halo
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That's the power of feminism

noble scarab
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If I remember right there were specifically only a few hunters there when the meathead was born

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But speaking of the hive and how these things are replicas, why do we have two different hives ladies? One has a different dress and darker skin. Did two different ladies both end up being bee’d?

empty owl
hasty raven
empty owl
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so grunts becomes hives?

hasty raven
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So when a white woman becomes a Grunt and metamorphoses into a Hive, the skin color is the same while the features change into a replica of the original

hasty raven
# empty owl so grunts becomes hives?

Yeah, Grunts become Armored, Meatheads, and likely Immolators too, that's what all the cocoony stuff is around the Assassin lairs and various parts of the map

empty owl
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i thought hives are women who were sexually assaulted by moths or “flies” under the control of the sculptor

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didn’t ada ruth was supposed to be one until she got it out in the asylum?

noble scarab
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She was just what drew the insects in supposedly

hasty raven
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No, they're all copies. The Hive Monstrorvm (interview with the daughter of the original Hive) says they're all identical to her mother

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Plus only one Meathead was ever created, yet a ton started popping up after it was created and the cause for its creation was immediately halted

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So they must be copies

noble scarab
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The only things that probably aren’t direct copies are the grunts

empty owl
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the grunts are probably just normal infectees

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what about the water devils though?

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also @hasty raven i’ve seen your theory on that one and don’t take this the wrong way but it seems a tad bit crackpot

hasty raven
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On what, Water Devils?

empty owl
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yeah

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i think i remember something about them existing prior to the “demonic invasion”

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idk it just lost in me i guess

noble scarab
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They supposedly showed up when a hunter ate infected meat

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Then the larvae mutated from contact with the ritual hunter blood

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And spilled into the bayou

empty owl
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so technically they somehow hibernated inside the body of the hunter?

hasty raven
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I'm currently in urgent care for a progressively worsening pain in my abdomen so I'm not really in the mood to lay out every piece that leads me to believe Water Devils aren't exactly entirely real

noble scarab
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It was evidently pretty quick but yea

empty owl
hasty raven
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what

empty owl
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you know, that guy

hasty raven
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God Pretend-

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ahem

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Ah

empty owl
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but then again i do have to agree

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the lore in its entirety is just downright crackpot in nature

narrow halo
noble scarab
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It is but I’m inclined to think that there was something in the waters of the bayou that was killing gators and being a pain in the ass for hunters

narrow halo
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Who summoned me?

hasty raven
empty owl
hasty raven
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The specifics are dubious though

narrow halo
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Everything is dubious

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We get so little lore

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And writers are long dead

empty owl
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by this point, the entirety of hunt showdown can be summarized as a pulp horror gone wrong

noble scarab
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Hopefully some event skins will give us a bit more to go off of

empty owl
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i surely hope so too

noble scarab
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None of the Teche wraith gear had anything lore wise

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It’s just like yea this is his knife and gun

empty owl
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what about the new paid hunter?

noble scarab
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All that we know from him is that he’s a native was had to turn to hunting to keep his family alive

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From the Teche bayou region

hasty raven
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It's funny how you are so big on having so little lore yet you immediately dismiss every idea that's not outright stated (no matter how much it's implied)

empty owl
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yeah, like the cain theory i brought up

noble scarab
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Which is interesting because bayou Teche is actually pretty far north west of New Orleans, it’s closer to Texas

narrow halo
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I'm okay with Cain theories

sudden glacier
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oh boy, the couple is arguing again

narrow halo
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But HELLHOUNDS AND WATERDEVILS don't exist are stupid

hasty raven
narrow halo
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Might as well be

empty owl
hasty raven
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Laugh out loud.

narrow halo
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All lore we have on him is "Cain is not feeling well"

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But I think he's one of DeSalle brothers

empty owl
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also, what’s that about killing a meathead and feminism thing?

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i don’t really get it

noble scarab
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I like the idea that Cain is a Desalle brother

sudden glacier
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he thinks he's edgy

empty owl
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jesus christ, that’s my freakin’ theory

sudden glacier
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but what he thinks is edgy is "haha feminism"

narrow halo
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😎

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Yes.

sudden glacier
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you aren't allowed to use that emoji, that's my emoji

narrow halo
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Yours is in your pants

sudden glacier
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dang, now you're cheating on empathy

empty owl
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okay, this chat is for lore discussion not about discussing about emoticons giving you a blowjob and a ham sandwich

narrow halo
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Ham sandwitches don't exist in hunt

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They aren't mentioned in the lore so

empty owl
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yeah well, so does blowjobs

narrow halo
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What a grim universe hunt is

empty owl
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grim that everyone’s a virgin?

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i think that’s just the internet in general

narrow halo
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No ham sandwiches, no blowjobs, no hellhounds, no waterdevils

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Just can't have anything

noble scarab
narrow halo
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Nope

empty owl
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no game either

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what a sad sad reality we’re living in

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i can’t believe i paid 30 dollars for a mass hallucinatory experience

noble scarab
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Hate it when that happens

narrow halo
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Main characters are all Huff's inmates

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In their cells

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Thinking they are in the swamp fighting evil

empty owl
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call it the huntdela effect

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catchy name too someone should’ve made a jingle out of it

sudden glacier
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I'll have my friend do that

hasty raven
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Ok so you're alright with Cain being the literal Cain from the Bible, being thousands of years old and thus confirming that the biblical creation myth is canonical to Hunt, based solely on his name, but as soon as I suggest that Hellhounds might not have been literally as they appear in-game based on the Monstrorvm saying they didn't (including Scognamiglio, the notoriously supernaturally-inclinded and occult guy, doubting it), the numerous inconsistencies in their appearance and place in the lore, and lack of actual documentation of their existence, you don't hesitate to disregard it entirely

empty owl
hasty raven
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It's just liver disease I'm fine

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(I'm kidding)

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I got an injection to kill the pain though so it's not as bad any more

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Thank you for being concerned though

narrow halo
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I mean, it's so obvious you don't have to explain it

empty owl
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cain isn’t real

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the only real person is the one who wrote the manuscript

hasty raven
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The only real person is me. You are all a simulation

hasty raven
empty owl
hasty raven
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I think, therefore I man

empty owl
empty owl
hasty raven
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damn it my programming bugged

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the truth is out

empty owl
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ROBOT

hasty raven
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more like robutt

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😳

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is this lore?

empty owl
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okay, back to the topic

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cain is not real, the game is not real, get a life

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if a moderator sees this RUN

hasty raven
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it's real to me

hexed sedge
hasty raven
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can't have shit in New Orleans

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imagine we actually get a New Orleans map

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that'd be amazing

narrow halo
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Wasn't more than a headstone to find of Grace. Sweet baby Grace. (begins crying) I'll be needing that constitutional now, sir.

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Constitutional what?

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Break?

hasty raven
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What's that from again?

humble ridge
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Hi!
Not so long ago, I unlocked the last page for Scrapbeak in the book of monsters.
Do you guys need it? Haven't seen it pinned.

hasty raven
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I don't have it unlocked but I'm trying to unlock everything myself before reading

humble ridge
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That was for the whole channel

narrow halo
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She's giving an interview

hasty raven
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I think a constitutional in that context is a right to be left alone given by the Constitution

hasty raven
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Agreed

narrow halo
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I don't belive him

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He doesn't look sincere

bold tiger
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@narrow halo I always heard a constitutional was a walk to get you digestive tract moving

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Well its either an early morning shit or a walk.

hasty raven
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google says it also could mean something like the thing I said

narrow halo
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I mean @shrewd path

split rover
noble scarab
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While we on the topic of health what’d you guys think the ritual blood does to hunters that causes them to have fucked up skin and also potentially cause them to lose their soul? These effects are most notable on certain tier 3s, and on maybe 1 or 2 tier ones. Tier 2s seem to be mostly pretty healthy

ocean linden
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I think using the inoculum and completing the ritual puts a portion of them/ties them to the spirit realm or wherever the sculptor is from somehow. Of course, the immunity to the outbreak and other powers such as dark sight aren’t without a cost since that’s not something humans are really supposed to be able to do. Probably being connected to the other realm causes degradation of their physical form as they aren’t all “here.” Also I think the blood ritual makes hunters visible in booted dark sight since their connection isn’t as intense as a clue, boss, or bounty is but can be sensed when dark sight is strengthened.

mint flicker
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Since Hunters should be immune to the plague, how are they getting turned into the Assassins?

And - is there a “spiritual” benefactor to the Hunters?

molten forge
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So do we have any lore theories on what the wards and effigies are in relation to darksight? Since they do show up in darksight with clear roots coming from them.

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Are they what keep the sculptor out?

molten forge
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Maybe inoculum works as an artificial link where voodoo is a more natural link?

ocean linden
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Maybe. I’d bet Weird Sister and Bone Doctor still have done something similar to the ritual to have access to dark sight and such

molten forge
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We know people have been aware of the realm of the sculptor before inoculum.

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Darksight might be something inherent for practicioners of voodoo

ocean linden
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Although Bone Doctor does seem to be exceptionally powerful since he brought someone dead back

molten forge
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Exactly

ocean linden
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Idk, I don’t think voodoo has a clear connection with the Sculptor and its realm

molten forge
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Perhaps not a connection but the ability to connect to it.

ocean linden
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I think it’s a different flavor

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Yeah! Possibly

molten forge
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The fact that all hunters can learn things like necromancy makes me believe it might be "artificial voodoo" basically.

ocean linden
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I do wonder if the necromancy in game is actual necromancy

molten forge
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Think of it like hunters being generally inexperienced with their "gift", and over time as they draw in they learn to use it more and more.

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You get someone up from a distance.

ocean linden
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Since hunters can be brought back without that blood expenditure and use of dark sight

molten forge
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It definitely is something supernatural

ocean linden
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Yeah, but are the hunters actually dead?

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Oh, for sure

molten forge
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I mean with boosted darksight you can now revive someone who is dead

ocean linden
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I had this weird idea that hunters aren’t really dead unless they’re burned

molten forge
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So perhaps the closer you are, the more powerful it is?

ocean linden
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Since the ritual and inoculum bind them to the real world and spirit world

molten forge
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Since a burned out hunter can be revived with health cost if you have boosted darksight

ocean linden
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So when someone is revived, they’re made while since their spirit reconnects from the sculptor’s realm

molten forge
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So necromancy definitely is a thing for hunters

ocean linden
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And being burned severs that connection

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Of course that does go out the window with the new update ysolwoe

amber harbor
ocean linden
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Where event completely burned out hunters can be revived

molten forge
ocean linden
molten forge
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Hell, I dare say with the dark sight trailer that the reverend technically has the ability to go immolator

ocean linden
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Also I guess hunters can self revive since quickplay is a thing?

amber harbor
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Also lorewise bounties are paid for for the ultimate goal of immortality, so it would make sense they could revive hunters imo

molten forge
ocean linden
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I thought quickplay is real

molten forge
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Perhaps those who become a wellspring force themselves alive, or perhaps become a beacon to be revived

ocean linden
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Maybe the presence of so many rifts revive nearby dead hunters for one last chance

molten forge
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Though tbh, if quickplay is hunters coming back alive I feel they should appear more like our good ol' poker champ

amber harbor
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i think it was that every hunter is consumed by a sickness, and the wellspring is their last chance to live

ocean linden
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That makes more sense

molten forge
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That would make sense

amber harbor
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the wellspring is also sought after by the AHA

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hence you get the money, so it's power could be transfered

molten forge
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Then is the question

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Did the Reverend take the inoculum, or is he protected by his belief?

ocean linden
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Inoculum

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The only Hunter I know of with natural immunity is the redneck

molten forge
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Wait really?

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He's actually immune?

ocean linden
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Yeah

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But he might have taken the inoculum at some point after

molten forge
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William Moses is indeed no chicken

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Holy fuck that is hilarious, Redneck is immune to the Sculptor's influence.

sudden glacier
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I think it's because of something to do with how long he's lived there

ocean linden
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I’ll have to read his bio again, but I swear it said he was found somewhere after the outbreak had been going on a while

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Yeah

sudden glacier
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he was found on his farm(?) fighting off grunts and such

molten forge
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Obviously it's his god-tier shaped bod that fought off the infection

ocean linden
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Moses Poultry

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Also might be misinterpreting, maybe he was lucky not to get infected somehow

sudden glacier
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his muscles are too thick for the sculptor

ocean linden
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But I think the implication is that he has some level of natural immunity

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Which only goes so far as the Christmas event showed

molten forge
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I would dare to say that Bone Doctor would also have a natural immunity in that case.

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Or at least has the means other than inoculum to stave it off

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And perhaps by extension, people following him, like Weird Sister

amber harbor
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some hunters have immunity

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there was a guy who went mad living in the bayou, turned into a grunt, but his infection was slowed

molten forge
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The Revenant is likely to be immune too?

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Since he's technically undead?

amber harbor
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he might have been a hunter before?

molten forge
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True.

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Perhaps the Native hunters also have an alternative to staving off the sculptor's influence

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since their wards clearly affect darksight to some extend

mint flicker
mint flicker
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I don’t think we should consider AHA as the one who pays you for Wellspring - it’s just a gameplay thing, methinks.

molten forge
mint flicker
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To push players to go for the wellspring.

mint flicker
molten forge
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It does make sense that the native americans have known about the sculptor's realm for a long time.

molten forge
mint flicker
molten forge
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And the vapours boost darksight in a way, so perhaps that is essentially similar to inoculum

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Spiritual trips so to say

mint flicker
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Hm. You know - again, if we believe that vapours aren’t just gameplay - they boost a certain part of your dark sight. The part , where you see those leylines/pyres/effigies, and not clue spotting or anything else.

mint flicker
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You don’t just sniff à vapeur and know where is the boss xD

molten forge
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We know that the Natchez had encounters with hellhounds way before the AHA even encountered them iirc

mint flicker
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That is true

molten forge
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It probably has to be balanced between lore significance and gameplay balance

mint flicker
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Like - I’m with you on the “natives knew about the spirit realm and had to fight the sculptor before or something very similar”. But how different are those practices and what exactly they bring into the table - that we cannot be certain. Yet.

molten forge
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Perhaps not fight, but definitely aware of it.

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Maybe even harnessed it

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Maybe that's what the effigies essentially do

mint flicker
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From the flavor text from the site - seems they did fight something similar. Or maybe I’m reading too much into it.

molten forge
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Storing something

mint flicker
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That seems … unlikely, but who knows.

molten forge
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I mean they seem to hold the same form of energy as what bounties attract, right?

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Hell, maybe that is the color of a soul in darksight

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The boss bounties holding particularly strong souls

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But that might just be my dark souls enthusiasm speaking

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The effigies definitely HOLD something though

mint flicker
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Ah yes - the furtive pygmy

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XD

molten forge
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As it isn't exactly being accumulated

molten forge
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They did a damn good job at starting up a lore community

mint flicker
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The white cracks in the ground that are climbing in and out of the effigies are interesting

molten forge
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...We should somehow get Vaati into Hunt lore

mint flicker
molten forge
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Vaati Hunt Lore videos would be pog.

mint flicker
molten forge
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Matpat doesn't really do story-ish videos

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Vaati basically has that god voice for background stuff

mint flicker
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fnaf and hollow knight videos - however missdirected they were - will argue with you x)

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Well, we can start our own project about Hunt lore .

molten forge
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We need god-tier voice for that first

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Port Sulphur music in the background now and then

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Hunt lore in story-based videos would definitely be a fun project though

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Hell, you can probably start with the AHA and what we know of Philip Huff Jones, or even Victor Caldwell

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Geef might be a great voice for that, nice and deep.

mint flicker
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I think the basic info that is needed is - what is plague and who is the Sculptor. Than the Hunters and how are they made to be.

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But that is not lore anymore.

molten forge
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What is the AHA would also be a good one

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"Huff, Finch and the AHA"

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Which is probably one of the more well detailed events when it comes to hunt lore?

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While also exposing plenty of sideplots, including to the Twins and their eventual successful tracking and killing of William Durant

random lava
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poor William

icy brook
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The vapors as an inocullum substitute is a really interesting and great theory

earnest jungle
molten forge
earnest jungle
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They did but they didn’t track him down, he tracked them down.

molten forge
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Fair enough

icy brook
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The other day I was wondering how the Chitimacha hunters gained immunity

earnest jungle
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And I Salter is the more important of the two because he is a candidate for Patient Zero for the outbreak.

molten forge
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Or perhaps that's what the wards are for

icy brook
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If could be achieved through ritual, given they have fought entities like the sculptor well before the modern inoculum

molten forge
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@mint flickerwhat if the wards and effigies are a sort of way to stave off the sculptor's influence by storing it away?

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Hence why it seems like the roots are drawn towards the wards.

earnest jungle
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The Wards make sense but what about the Pyres?

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And more importantly who’s burning the pyres?

molten forge
earnest jungle
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Then shouldn’t we leave the pyres burning instead of destroying them?

molten forge
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Not too sure

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They have the same color as the lightning above bounties, so it's tied to the sculptor one way or another

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The wards when lit burn the energy. The effigies/pyres (small ones) simply collect and store it I'd say

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Maybe it's a way for them to somehow harness it?

earnest jungle
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Oh hey I just realized the bow and it’s custom ammo is going to come with new lore entries!!!

molten forge
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...This is correct

earnest jungle
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That means new more detailed lore that might answer some of these questions

molten forge
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In fact, you should be able to read the legendary lore too

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for the legendary bow/tomahawk/CCP/Winnie

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Plus lore entries for the weapons.

earnest jungle
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Sorry I got sidetracked back to the topic at hand

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I’m going to listen to light the shadow. All of the songs are cannon to the setting and exists in universe so it may contain some clues as to what’s happening.

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Wade in the water
The devil’s come
I hear you coming
I raise my gun
We walk together in this barren land
I hear you coming time to show my hand, show my hand

Oh light the shadow
Dark my days
I made a promise
I'm not going to break
We walk together in this barren land
I hear them coming time to show our hand

Oh preacher, preacher
That look in your eyes
Call down the devil
Let the bullets fly

Oh doctor, doctor
The night's acolyte
Call down your vengeance
Let the bullets fly
Bullets fly

The chips are down
Your time is up
Ace on the table
And one in the cup
Up in the mountains
I feel its eyes
The dark is rising
Let the bullets fly

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I raise my hand
I lower my eyes
Hands raised to heaven
I am ready to die

Cold arms around me
A buzz in my veins
The moth alights
And you’re cursing my name

Oh light the shadow
Dark my days
I made a promise
I'm not going to break
We walk together in this barren land
I hear you coming time to show our hand

Show our hand

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Okay so the song is very clearly about Hunters succumbing to the Darkness inside them.

mint flicker
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Maybe not to darkness, but to fratricide

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Since that’s what we are doing in the game - killing each other instead of just fighting the plague.

earnest jungle
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I think it’s more literal than that especially the penultimate verse. They feel embraced by cold arms and there’s a buzzing in their veins, and now people will be cursing their name.

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The autopsy of the grunt revealed that their veins are filled with maggots.

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The question who is the moth?

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“The Moth Alights” means someone has gotten to close to the flame and has been burned.

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But moths are especially associated with the darkness of the sculptor

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I think either the Sculptor is the flame and the Hunter is the moth, or the moth is the sculptor and the flame is the hunter.

mint flicker
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I think the last two verses are sung from the point of view of the new huntress, no? The Exile. They correlate very well with her bio.

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A buzz in my veins and you are cursing my name

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Is there any hunter, whose name we curse?

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Or is there any human, whose name we curse? Huff?

earnest jungle
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The one that comes to mind is Lynch the Irish Woman who it seems most people blame along with Huff for the Civil War.

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Hang on wait I missed a verse

mint flicker
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It would just be strange - imo - for all the verses to be talking about hunters and then - BAM! - Sculptor. Not out of the realm and f possibilities, but strange.

earnest jungle
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Here’s the verse I missed:

I raise my hand
I lower my eyes
Hands raised to heaven
I am ready to die

mint flicker
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Hm

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The pastor?

earnest jungle
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The song cannot be about the reverend because he’s referenced in the third verse.

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He calls down the devil as is seen in the dark sight trailer

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Let me try to clarify what I’ trying to say this song is about two people and is (maybe) addressed to a third.

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“Show our hand” “we walk together” “I hear you coming”

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Which raises several questions:

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• Is the you referring to the same person as the we and our refers to?
• Who is the you? A hunter, the audience, or the sculptor?
• If the We/Our is a different person who is it a hunter, the audience, or the sculptor?

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The fact that the singer is preparing for their immanent death again seems to indicate the song is about hunters succumbing to the darkness.

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And the person the song is addressed to is the sculptor.

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But if that’s true than the sculptor is the moth drawn to the flame cursing their name…

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So the song must be about resisting the sculptor’s influence.

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Unlike the Night Acolyte Nadia Orville and the Reverend Ishim Grid the narrator resists the corruption and now the Sculptor curses their name.

mint flicker
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If they didn’t resist the corruption, they would have turned/weren’t playable, no?

amber harbor
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So they fully assimilate the inoculum?

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Like hunters get sick because the demon blood is burning from within, but this huntress, I'm assuming one of the natives, more in tune with nature, established a connection with the sculptor's plane without being bound to his/ the demons curse

earnest jungle
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It’s less likely that it’s because they’re more “in tune with nature” and more likely that because they come from a society that has lived here for tens of thousands of years so they likely have a better idea on how to fight the corruption.

icy brook
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^

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It seems they are using both Native ontologies and AHA methods for dealing with the entities

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Given the third son seems like a researcher himself of sorts

narrow halo
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Call down your vengeance

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Does that mean put it away for a while or act upon it?

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And the main question

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Is wayfarer Fin's goth girl gf?

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Not that many similarities with her outfit and Last Gust

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Except for stripes on her outfit

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But those on LG are different

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And LG has zero blue beads

icy brook
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Trade bead drip

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Ngl some of these Indigenous have drip bordering on full blown regalia

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I like it

buoyant turret
mint flicker
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Ye

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Call down - act upon it
Calm down - don't act upon it.

earnest jungle
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^^^

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To call something down is to summon it. For example to call down the thunder is to summon thunder upon oneself

hasty raven
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I read the Wayfarer bio for the first time

mint flicker
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The Bow?

hasty raven
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That's a third Hunt happening at the same time as Louisiana confirmed, making it China, New York, and the Cascade Mountain range confirmed to be experiencing an incident concurrently with the Hunt in Louisiana

hasty raven
mint flicker
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Ah.

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We don't really know, though, if it is the same plague, rigth?

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If all of them are connected to the sculptor.

hasty raven
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They're not all caused by the same entity, the Sculptor

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There are multiple beings like the Sculptor that have been causing incidents for centuries

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The AHA is only the American division of an international organization dedicated to handling them

mint flicker
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I know that.

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I meant - we don't know, what is causing the other incidents, right?

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Or more precisely - who.

hasty raven
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no, but they're all different presumably

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They're not all caused by the same Sculptor causing the Louisiana one, but I guess it's not certain whether or not a single entity could cause incidents in two separate locations at once

mint flicker
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So we have Scullptor, the Snake. What other entities we know off?

valid dove
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Lynch is some weird entity

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@mint flicker

mint flicker
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Ah, yes. The thing that is somehow human, yet isn't.

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Seems like Lynch is human. The Thing inside Lynch though - isn't.

valid dove
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I always viewed it as Lynch took over some poor souls body and is just piloting it

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No clue if the person is still in there

hasty raven
mint flicker
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You know what I mean x)

mint flicker
icy brook
hasty raven
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The Wayfarer's bio says she's coming to Louisiana because a similar corruption happened in her home in that area

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that's all I found referencing it

hasty raven
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very late screenshot of the Cascade Mountain range incident reference

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mint flicker
hasty raven
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well it's at the very least right before the one in Louisiana started which I would count

noble scarab
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wonder if the Cascade event had anything unusual or if it was just grunts like the New York one

empty owl
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it could be a small scale one

narrow halo
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Like Spirit of Nian lore

empty owl
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considering that the mountain range itself has no settlements

narrow halo
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It only mentions Nian monster coming every spring

sudden glacier
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it has air, so there's that

narrow halo
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And sculptor mentioned as the culprint

empty owl
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safe to say, i believe the cascade infestation happened only and only to the tribe

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and somehow they managed to repel it via those large dreamcatchers thing

earnest jungle
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Uh no there are towns up in the Cascades

hasty raven
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in the 1890s?

empty owl
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native americans usually have campgrounds not towns

earnest jungle
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Uh yeah there are towns up in the Cascade Mountains the whole area underwent a massive logging and mining boom at the turn of the century.

earnest jungle
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Settlements weren't very big but they were there

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And if you take a look at Washington mines you'll notice most of them are up in the Cascades

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Hell my Ancestors worked in a coal mine in the foot hills of the cascades in the 1880s and 90s

noble scarab
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that might give us a bit of context for those few legendary guns we have from that area, like the Goldrush and Carter's shotgun

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no clue

sharp anvil
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Completely unrelated but I am certain the sculptor made the spider for the pure purpose of just annoying humans and creeping them out

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Basically he was like, fuck sakes they keep killing other guys I should get revenge and realized that most humans hate spiders, and even more man spiders that puke on you

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But that wasn't enough he also realized every other monster he made (particularly butcher and assassins) were strong but weren't living long enough so he made sure spider would be great at scurrying away with his little spider hand legs

noble scarab
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that bastard made the spider to just sit on ceilings to spite everyone

sharp anvil
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That fucking prick

rotund ferry
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where is desalle suppose to actually be

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there is no terrain that looks like that in louisnana

hasty raven
#

it's definitely not in Louisnana

rotund ferry
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I'd like to see mountains like that in Louisnana

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I wish they didn't restrict it to one state, imagine doing same time period, all over the world, like in europe or japan etc

hasty raven
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Idk where the hell Louisnana is dude I'm sorry

rotund ferry
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streets of a french city

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vampire monster

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big W

hasty raven
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ah Louisnana is in France?

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Why would DeSalle be there?

noble scarab
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its in the US, in the south

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Desalle is somewhere near the Louisana/Texas border

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Texas gets a bit mountainy

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the other maps are potentially south of New Orleans, though all three maps are connected by rail, so it may be a stretch to say that Delsalle is further west

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in this version of Lousiana, the bayou might be a bit more mountainy or its just a really long rail

hasty raven
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I heard the devs confirmed it was in Louisiana

restive patrol
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You can't

empty owl
earnest jungle
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DeSalle is connected to Lawson Delta by the Blanchett Bayou Line. And such a railroad isn’t entirely impossible given the historical railroads in Louisiana

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earnest jungle
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If you’re thinking of the leak I think you are that’s just an alpha version of DeSalle

molten forge
molten forge
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We know DeSalle is somewhat north with the messages

ocean musk
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doesnt the restaurant in upper desalle claim to be "The best restaurant south of New Orleans" tho?

hasty raven
#

yeah, it does

narrow halo
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Don't they all?

rotund ferry
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they should do a european expansion, like england or france, late 1800's hunters, european soldier hunts, demons, vampires, nuns, chicks with long dresses duel wielding, lel

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or just keep the train going i guess and go to TeXaS

icy brook
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Incident in the Siberian wastes

narrow halo
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Everyone dies of cold

icy brook
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Native Siberian hunters

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OG shamanism moment

small abyss
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I am from Louisiana, there is no area I've ever heard of that looks like desalle. That said its still a cool map

hasty raven
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Sculptor magic ooOooOoOooOh

narrow halo
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OK, let's pretend we don't actually discuss if places from Hunt actually exist

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Let's pretend this channel has a few chromosomes left

latent fable
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So, forgive me if this has been discussed before, but where do the Hunters get their dark sight? I assume getting their dark sight is something that happens after being invited into the AHA. I imagined it involving some ritual involving the use of monster blood or something. Or has this not been explained yet?

hasty raven
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The inoculum

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I can't really explain it further than that yet

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Someone else might

sudden glacier
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pretty sure it involves a blood ritual

hasty raven
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Huff, director of the AHA, states that the inoculum makes Hunters immune to the corruption and grants them 'the Sight'

icy brook
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It involves binding and taking a daemon’s blood, or at least is rumored to, some folk are also naturally immune, but begs the question of where Moses received his dark sight, possibly after his AHA induction

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Does anyone have any current canon say of whether Cleveland is president during the events of Hunt?

empty owl
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otherwise, no reference to the president

icy brook
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I see HuntThonk

noble scarab
#

its possible that the president wouldn't even know about what's doing on in the bayou or other places

odd swan
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Yeah. Several forts have been over-run. There's probably a massive military quarantine keeping the civilians out while the AHA does its job.

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They'd all be yanks though so those former confederates would probably disregard them and sneak passed the quarantine only to get killed by the monsters inside

earnest jungle
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By 1895 Reconstruction had been over for almost a generation. Federal Troops were pulled out of the South in 1877 and the “Redeemers” (former Confederate Soldiers and Politicians) set about turning Louisiana into an Apartheid State. It would likely be the State National Guard conducting evacuations and quarantines not the US Army.

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I could go into more detail into the politics of the American Civil War but it’s not particularly relevant.

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Except that it is unclear as to whether the Scrapbeak was a Unionists or Rebel.

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His Uniform in the trailer doesn’t look like either Union or Confederate to me. If he was Union it would be a Much Darker Shade of Navy Blue

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But it looks to blue to be the Confederate Union to me.

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And the Confederates were the defenders in the Battle so why would they be down in the trenches?

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Then again his neighbors spoke highly of his service in the war and people did not think highly of Unionist before or after the war as Peter Roche found out.

empty owl
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i think he's a union soldier

earnest jungle
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Okay never mind he’s a confederate I’m just an idiot the Uniform color he’s wearing is cadet grey which is one of the colors worn by the confederacy.

empty owl
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i'm pretty sure his allegiance is referenced somewhere but i forgot

earnest jungle
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Well just looking at things visually

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His uniform appears much more similar to confederate uniforms

image0.jpg
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Than to the Union Uniforms of the Prodigal Daughter whose mother was canonically a Unionist

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split rover
narrow halo
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It's blue therefore union

split rover
#

Yeah

empty owl
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i mean, union and confederate uniforms are mostly somewhat the same and indistinguishable from a layman’s standpoint

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all i know is blue or dark blue union and grey confederate

narrow halo
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I mean, they wouldn't make it such a mind game to guess what side he was on

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Also he doesn't carry a leMat

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Yet Hardin didnt carry his personal leMat in dark sight trailer...

split rover
#

Looks blue to me

earnest jungle
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The LeMat was hardly the ubiquitous side arm of the Confederacy, less than 3,000 of them were ever made.

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Most Confederate Soldiers would have carried a colt a colt clone captured in battle.

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This was because the South lacked the industry to produce guns on a large scale, and importing guns was nigh impossible. The Union Blockade made smuggling difficult and the Confederate Navy was a bad Joke compared to the Union.

hasty raven
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Scrapbeak is a confederate because he's an enemy

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Easy solve

empty owl
#

and now we wait for god pretender’s 20 paragraph essay on why scrapbeak is not a confederate and that he is not real

hasty raven
#

20 paragraph essay on why God Pretender isn't real let's gooo

earnest jungle
#

I wish we had a better view of the soldiers defending Fort Cormick

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rapid gate
rapid gate
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and at that stage of the war the CSA could no longer provide their troops with uniforms in large numbers

earnest jungle
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It’s definitely not Prussian blue though

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split rover
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That would use blue dye so doubtful

narrow halo
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Can anyone translate?

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opaque glade
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nope

trim rover
# narrow halo Can anyone translate?

Quick google search revealed this from Reddit: The words say: "as your mercy in heaven, we have to violate death. As we don't deserve redemption(fida), we have to find forgiveness for our sins."

Basically the hunter has sinned in his life and wan't god's forgiveness.. so the hunter now is killing demons for redemption.

split rover
trim rover
#

Here's another translation (from Google Translate) : "Just as I have mercy on you in heaven, that we transgress to death, just as we deserve redemption, and we must find forgiveness for our sins."

trim rover
split rover
#

Same difference

empty owl
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i can read arabic but i don’t know what they mean lol

earnest jungle
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The gun is the sinner’s prayer

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The Sinner’s are a group of predominantly Muslim Hunters.

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They have an odd sort of piety, they believe themselves damned for becoming Hunters and so they embrace that damnation to do what needs to be done to fight the darkness.

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Sinan, John Hayward Hunter’s boyfriend maybe, was one of the Sinners.

hasty raven
#

Sian John Haward Hunter? Is that all one name?

earnest jungle
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Sinan, John Hayward Hubter’s Boyfriend maybe,

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Two separate people

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Sorry for my lack of clarify

worn yoke
#

Why is the mounting hardware for a scope on the 1873 Talon?

trim rover
worn yoke
#

That actually makes a ton of sense since there's no other visual difference

worn yoke
narrow halo
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Something about going to hell whatever they do

sharp anvil
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Wait dumb question, are the soldiers in fort bolden Confederate or union?

narrow halo
#

South State

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Confederate

sharp anvil
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Ah ok sorry for the stupidity

molten forge
#

So can we presume that the Third Son is of the Choctaw tribe, considering his name is Nahotabi?

empty owl
hasty raven
worn yoke
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Fair

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I just don't get the overanalyzing of the lore for a game with no lore

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If they added some sort of side quests or secondary objective in hunt aside from get bounty - kill hunters - extract that involved lore it would be really neat.

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Hell, I've enjoyed farming the events because it let's you really switch out your load out to optimize that snake in the grass playstyle. It's nice not to have to go for the bounty all the time

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Or even tied hunter progression to the AHA rankings or the amount they've been corrupted, or something like thay

hasty raven
empty owl
#

and most of the doesn’t even match up with one another

hasty raven
#

Limited mind

boreal sonnet
#

new lore scrap beak tries to contain outside butcher

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official lore

limpid knot
#

What?

scenic furnace
#

hi, does anyone know if the lynch is an actual person in the lore or just some fanfiction ?

limpid knot
#

How? Why?

limpid knot
scenic furnace
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oh, thanks

limpid knot
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You can know more about her on the weapons lore

scenic furnace
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ive read about her weapons lore and also what ive unlocked till now in the page of guns

limpid knot
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Yup

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My question is, how the traits works, does the Hunters learn the ability from someone? or is similar to Farcry 3 with magical tataus

raven bane
#

Are Blackcoat and Sheriff Hardin really brothers?

empty owl
#

more like coincidences

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also the black coat killed another hardin so he’s not one

empty owl
hasty raven
#

Lynch is real because she's referenced by multiple independent sources

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Including the Phantom

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Her supernatural stuff though is not as concrete since most of her 'powers' and strange things she does are documented in Bad As They Seem which is a fictionalized account by Collins that's only based on what he's heard

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Still need to read Bad As They Seem though

glossy falcon
#

Let's keep it to Lore Discussions

opaque glade
#

ANYWAYS

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Lore

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Anyone have anything?

noble scarab
#

back on the topic of Lynch, per Bad As They Seem, she may have been the inventor of the flash bomb as in one of the entries it talks about her having to do a ritual to restore herself after a failed prototype blew up. the bomb was described as mercury based, same as the flash bomb.

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i think its suggested somewhere as well that she came up with the hive bomb as well

opaque glade
#

Hive bomb is just a Boogie Bomb with less disco and more buzzing bitch bees

noble scarab
#

not sure what a boogie bomb is, but youre not wrong

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i'd be interested to know why there's those poison barrels around and what makes them

hasty raven
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boogie bomb=dance bomb from fortnite

boreal sonnet
noble scarab
#

when you order trained attack bees, but get hive barrels

nocturne wharf
#

I believe you're referring to the "trained attack bees" from hive bombs right? That will attack you instead of your enemy, more often than not.

molten forge
#

With William Moses having resisted the Sculptor for a record time, and it being disputed as coming down to either sheer stupidity or stubbornness, does that mean that the Sculptor requires either a moment of weakness or an agreement to corrupt?

hasty raven
#

It probably means that he had extreme mental fortitude due to being that stupid and/or very stubborn in protecting his farm

harsh siren
#

Is the sculptor a person? Or some monster? I don't really know much about hunt lore so asking here

opaque glade
#

Those are neat

hasty raven
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The Sculptor is some being that's trying to get into our universe or dimension by spreading the corruption to create monsters that will help open and maintain rifts

sharp anvil
#

I'm still set on the idea that the sculptor only made the spider to spite the hunters

feral pecan
#

he made scrappy because the AHA asked him nicely because they were bored of dunking on the same three big bois over and over again

junior pecan
hasty raven
#

I just explained it

junior pecan
hasty raven
#

What

junior pecan
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Which we don’t know and devs likely will never tell

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He asked if it was a person or some monster in the sense of it being anthropomorphic or immaterial

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At least i would presume he meant that seeing it is only really mentioned in the context of it being the big bad

hasty raven
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I assumed he was asking if it was a person called the Sculptor or just a monster

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Not if it was anthropomorphic or not

junior pecan
junior pecan
hasty raven
#

He said he didn't know much of Hunt lore

junior pecan
#

Thats kind of the baseline, knowing what sculptor is is one of the more frequent pieces of knowledge, up there with AHA breaking apart

boreal sonnet
#

What are we discussing today?

noble scarab
#

Has anyone noticed that we don't have any lore entries or masteries for the bow/throwing axes?

junior pecan
noble scarab
#

they've done plenty, its just those are missing for the bow atm

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it'd be cool to maybe have some stories from like the Cascades event

junior pecan
boreal sonnet
#

?

junior pecan
# boreal sonnet ?

Talking about literally all of the lore, its going to be confusing unless you’ve got a broad understanding. Basically saying what we have gotten is zilch

boreal sonnet
noble scarab
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that's kinda just how they're handling the lore, which I'd love more lore for, but it just seems they aren't big on revealing or explaining things

junior pecan
#

Check the pinned messages in this channel. Id advise against it though

boreal sonnet
#

Ok

junior pecan
noble scarab
#

tl;dr for lore: monsters show up in the bayou from a being known as the Sculptor. An association of people that fight these kinda things shows up, but this infection is pretty bad, and hunters get greedy, and then the AHA kinda falls apart, which is why hunters fight each other.

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We get background lore for individual folks and guns on occasion

junior pecan
#

You could take the canon two steps into any major or minor world religion, and itd be super cool to learn about and compare with real world knowledge of that religion

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One step further into the teche snake stuff would be incredible to read about, the physiology, logistics, and mythology of an actual gigantic cryptid. Or one step further into the voodoo elements: which of Laveau’s rituals function? How great of a utility is she? Which spells do hunters use in the bayou and how?

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Literally at the BRIM with potential, thats why this lore channel gets particular theorists for long durations of time, @slim hatch , @sinful trout , @hasty raven , @earnest jungle , @wintry panther , each with their own theories and ideas, all feeling for a time excited and exhilarated with hypothetical explanations alone, because thats how satisfying and intriguing the lore has the capacity to be

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Enough to draw attention for months or years at a time, with little to no new content worth a damn

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Thats why im still here lurking and interjecting like an asshat, because its tragic, and im hoping one day it might be resolved.

earnest jungle
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I suspect there are lore entires for these items but they will not be revealed until after the event has ended when they are available for unlock in the book of weapons.

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And Prowler is just miffed with how the lore for the game is delivered because it’s a bit limiting.

junior pecan
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Could deliver it with a damn blockbuster movie and it wouldnt solve the problem

earnest jungle
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I assumed your issue is with the drip feed.

junior pecan
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God no, its going no where, and its slowed to a crawl since BOW

earnest jungle
#

I disagree.

junior pecan
#

Every mastery is a new topic, and not in a link in a chain way

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Many of them are tangential to the main events, some of them are barely related at all

earnest jungle
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And that’s from what I remember how the lore was delivered before the Book of Weapons and Book of Monsters.

junior pecan
#

John hayward? Louisiana casefile? Darksight account on the website?

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Casefile was a lead in, tangential but strongly moving towards something

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Hayward was practically a summary

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Darksight was one of our only looks into spirit phys

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And the other side of clues, at that

earnest jungle
#

The Louisiana Casefile is a perfect example of what I was talkiny about a lot of the information in that book had little connection to the main event: The Assassination of JWH, the Speech by Booker T Washington.

junior pecan
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As I said, it was tangential admittedly, but aaall pointed back to louisiana, or someone associated

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It was hype

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Except the vape pen joke

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BOW was a good step

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But BATS never got tied back in to anything in game

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Except maaaybe the bird man

#

But thats one correlation with no other evidence, which would be fine if we could find some more damn evidence in the future

earnest jungle
#

It’s not meant to tie into anything it’s meant to give us a general idea of what was happening during the summer of 1895.

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Of how we got to the point that exists in game

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Of hunter against hunter

junior pecan
#

If the events do not interlock with the actual gameplay events, then they are practically unrelated. We’re not even sure if people weren’t shooting at each other before. The spider documents have no mention of the collapse coinciding with KOS policy

earnest jungle
#

But Russle Chambers letters do

junior pecan
#

Yes, they do, but which is true which is false and all that garbage

earnest jungle
#

Simple Chambers.

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Chambers has little reason to lie about what’s happening while Collins has every reason to.

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As far as the general public is supposed to know Collins is a fiction writer.

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And Chambers writings is backed up by the Trial of Avis Wyndham Jr

hasty raven
earnest jungle
#

Who was scapegoated for the numerous killings that occurred in the Summer of 1895

junior pecan
hasty raven
#

what

earnest jungle
#

You don’t want to know we’re not talking about it

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Let’s just say Essence and I got into a heated argument about a real world topic unconnected to the lore

junior pecan
junior pecan
junior pecan
# hasty raven what

He wrote a lot of theories back in ‘18 but it all got retconned and is lost to time

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Wasnt even an audience to notice them

hasty raven
#

tragic

junior pecan
earnest jungle
#

There are two distinct lore erras Pre-Book of Monsters and Post-Book of Monsters

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Some of the lore from before the release is still cannon, a lot of it isn’t.

junior pecan
#

I couldve taken this crazy directions, you couldve taken this crazy directions, varuun couldve taken this crazy directions, essence i would presume, and caucasian and empathy most probably could have as well

earnest jungle
#

I don’t mind it because the Lore isn’t paint by numbers is the connect the dots.

junior pecan
#

We’re dealing with a damn third of a jigsaw puzzle here, the image could come out any which way so there might as well be no image at all

earnest jungle
#

Some dots got removed some got added, and a lot got connected to different dots

hasty raven
#

I'm glad I memorized the pronunciation and spelling of Monstrorvm and Libre De Armamanetariis

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sorry I'm not a part of this convo

earnest jungle
#

Don’t worry about it. But in all seriousness I don’t really care that we’re never going to get a full picture because that’s sometimes just how it is.

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The lore comes from a human perspective.

junior pecan
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Different setting, tangential in story and gameplay

earnest jungle
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Except well never have the story as told to us by the demons.

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At most we could have the demon perspective filtered to us through humans.

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But because we’ll never have their unfiltered perspective some things will just will never know about the Louisiana event.

junior pecan
earnest jungle
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But who told us what they said?

junior pecan
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Laveau, or they themselves

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Bible paradox

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Word of god, handcopied by man

earnest jungle
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But the word of God as written by man is still the writing of man.

junior pecan
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Thats the paradox

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If it were in game

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That usually qualifies as believable enough

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Except for hounds and devils as some now speculate

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But if nothings proven, everything is

earnest jungle
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My point is not that the lore is not believable but there are certain things we will likely never know because we’ll never get that perspective. So not knowing doesn’t bother me.

junior pecan
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Even with the knowledge of how close to greatness it all is?

earnest jungle
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Yes

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We do not need to know everything, we just need to know what is important.

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If I never find out why the Sculptor does what he does I will be fine because why he does what he does isn’t the important part that he does it is.

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Frankly if they leant more into the Sculptor and the Demons being eldritch unfathomable monsters I’d like it even more.

junior pecan
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But that very idea is contrary to the central point, religion in an objective, practical, and pragmatic light

earnest jungle
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That is not the central point of the game

junior pecan
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Literal spellwork functioning, a literal hell dimension, all of it inspiring world religions

earnest jungle
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Yeah but it's not objective

junior pecan
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You know what i meant, a core truth with subjective interpretations spiraling off of it

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Those interpretations being religion

earnest jungle
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Yeah and that's not at all contradictory to what I said

junior pecan
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I can explain how

earnest jungle
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Because what I said is we're not learning things as they actually happened, we're learning about what people saw and how they interpreted and understood it with their limited knowledge.

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The only thing that's really objective is what we see in game while playing the game

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I'm feeling a little light headed so I'm going to take a break and drink some water.

junior pecan
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I mean objective in the sense of structure, not presentation. There is a set of entities causing religious interpretation, some parts accurate, most missing the mark, but how those interpretations are founded and their accuracy are whats interesting. If the thing theyre interpreting has no discernible true truth it makes the intrigue of the interpretations and those that perform them pointless

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Its the wake up on a porch joke, it would suck for it to be that way because if it were so then there would be no accurate theories whatsoever, either those of the characters or those of our own

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We’ll just see in a few years i guess

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But good god ive waited two of them already

potent merlin
noble scarab
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nope its a combination of greed, politics (cause they'res rival groups) and the innate lust for blood that all folks have

icy brook
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There is no hunting like the hunting of a man…

plain zenith
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@earnest jungle Hey man, can you tell me a little bit more about this line you wrote please "Frankly if they leant more into the Sculptor and the Demons being eldritch unfathomable monsters I’d like it even more" Who is eldritch? Did he create some monster? Is he the one putting helmets on grunts and hellhounds?

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@earnest jungle I'm just asking to keep my Fan art hunt comic book the closest to the lore (even if I have to take some freedom with it)

abstract zinc
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Is there a place we can report hackers?

tall lava
lucid templeBOT
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If you would like to report a player, you can do so on the Team Details tab on your Match Summary screen. It is also accessible in the Last Match tab at any time. If you have additional proof you would like to provide, you can contact the official Hunt: Showdown customer support here: https://www.huntshowdown.com/ (red button in the bottom right).

earnest jungle
plain zenith
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Oh ok thank you

earnest jungle
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Basically if the demons responsible were beyond human comprehension when it comes to their motives and aims

plain zenith
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alright! Thanks for explaining

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🙂

junior pecan
weak kraken
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so I've been wondering is there only one of each bounty canonically? Like are you going to kill THE butcher or just a butcher?

odd topaz
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Ooo

sudden glacier
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they keep getting resurrected/ remade by the sculptor

odd topaz
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Thats cool

weak kraken
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ok cool I've wondered that every time I play lol

noble scarab
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What’d we think the time between rezzing is? Gotta be days at least, right?

sudden glacier
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your guess is as good as mine

hasty raven
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it says somewhere in the Monstrorvm that there is only one of each of the bosses at any given time, but every time they're killed, another one pops up eventually

sudden glacier
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hey look, what I said but with a sourve and a paragraph longer

dusty plover
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citing sources lovebulba

icy brook
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Spawnkilling bosses

limpid bobcat
sudden glacier
noble scarab
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Assassins are corrupted hunters, Spiders come from corpse piles (of which there are plenty) Butchers probably come from a single meathead transforming into the Butcher via Sculptor influence. Scrapbeaks may hatch from eggs, we're not really sure

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speaking of corpse piles have you guys seen the little creek that flows from behind the prison in Desalle? There's so many bodies there its not even funny, the ground is 90% corpses and 10% dirt

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i guess the prison dumped bodies down there once the plague hit

icy totem
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Doesnt scrap beaks teaser trailer or whatever show that scrapbeak came from a single wounded soldier that (presumably by the plague doctor) had his legs amputated and replaced with metal "prosthetics"? That would imply that there is only one original scrapbeak and the others are just copies

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unless the PD just went fucking ham on a bunch of people lower legs, as every scrapbeak has the same red metal prosthetic feet

earnest jungle
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He’s asking how the bosses return to our world which is currently unkown

icy totem
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ah ok, nvm

earnest jungle
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I do have an alternative theory though

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If you pay attention to the banishing ritual you will notice the bosses are banished both body and soul to Hell (AKA the Sculptor’s Realm)

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And the rifts are holes into the burning depths of the Sculptor’s realm.

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So perhaps just as the bosses are banished body and soul they are returned to our realm body and soul

noble scarab
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This is also a valid point^

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we do know tho that at least the original "models" were created a certain way (spider from corpse, assassin from hunter, scrapbeak from soldier, butcher from big af meathead)

sand pier
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Why do clues glow red when enemy hunters are nearby

noble scarab
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we don't know for sure, but I'd imagine it'd have something to do with the aura that hunters put out interacting with the burning hole in reality that is a clue/rift

split rover
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Maybe The aura coming from the hunters are their corruption and greed interacting with people stopping them

tired jay
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Makes no sense tho, coz then why doesn't it happen with m8s?

earnest jungle
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Perhaps the Clue and the energies of the Sculptor is reacting to the hunters?

dark pewter
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So canonically do the AHA members help each other in the bayou or would they actively be fighting each other to bring back the bounty mark

earnest jungle
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little bit of a little bit of b

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After Huff's death tough the AHA descended into a full blown civil war with hunter against hunter for greed and survival

dark pewter
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Ahh ok that actually explains a lot

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The lore in this game is fascinating but it’s a lot like destiny where it’s all in writing instead of active story telling through the gameplay

sand pier
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You can’t really do it through gameplay since there isn’t a campaign

sudden glacier
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and displaying story in a... what I can only describe as diet battle royale is very difficult

dusty plover
glacial schooner
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stuck at the office, and now just compiling people who could plausibly interact with hunt showdown

August Rodin, possessed by The Sculptor into being a literal Sculptor. Rodin famously once casted his sculpture "The Bronze Age" from a corpse. Grew up poor, took many odd jobs to pay the bills

The Lumiere Brothers, who made many nature documentaries and inventors of an improved motion picture camera. Perhaps they grow tired with the train unloading passengers at the sation. Perhaps a grunt would make compelling footage

Ambrose Bierce, civil war combat veteran, is now a world-travelling american writer. He is responsible for many short stories with shocking twist endings. He knows his way around the rifle and as a realist writer is always seeking to share new stories about the horrors of violence

I kind of like it when real-life people show up, even if these wouldn't actually show up in Hunt

hasty raven
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One of the only real people referenced as related to Hunt is Marie Laveau from when Hunt was first released

plain zenith
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Where can I learn more about Huff please? Which part of the pinned message are related to Huff?

split rover
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Huff

hasty raven
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Philip Huff Jones is, or was I guess, the director of the AHA. Apparently he died during the time of Hunt but I didn't know that until someone talked about it just now, I still need to read a lot of the entries.

junior pecan
hasty raven
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ah

hallow kraken
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I’ve heard people mention bad as they seem a lot what is it?

hasty raven
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it's a story written by Hayden Collins. He takes stories from the Hunt incidents and turns them into fiction stories that he publishes (the incidents like in Louisiana are a secret to the wider world)

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Bad As They Seem is the longest story that spans many weapon entries in the Libre De Armamentariis

hallow kraken
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Is it compiled somewhere?

junior pecan
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Otherwise just look for the weapon entries titled as such

hallow kraken
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Thanks

glacial schooner
hasty raven
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wait really?

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wow

jagged tide
sudden glacier
hasty raven
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got damn

sudden glacier
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crytek straight up just stole the man

hasty raven
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I hope I get randomly used as a character in some game two centuries after I die

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who's Billy Story irl?

jagged tide
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tourist-guides I mean.

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Dr John lead some kind of Voodoo/Sex-Cult in New Orleans after he was freed.

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iirc

sudden glacier
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interesting

hasty raven
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oh... I see...

split rover
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Where the Gatling guns at

sudden glacier
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Grin

split rover
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Are there any like broken Gatling guns around the map?

sudden glacier
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not to my knowledge

hasty raven
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Were those a thing in 1896?

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I would doubt it

sudden glacier
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...yes they were

hasty raven
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wow

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insane

sudden glacier
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the first gatling gun was made around 1862

hasty raven
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Thanks Google

sudden glacier
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indeed

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google is very helpful for checking exact dates on things you know

hasty raven
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I've only seen cannons around all of the forts

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Or at least only noticed

sudden glacier
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you would be correct

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because gatling guns are a lot more mobile than cannons, and also not as great to have lying in the open

split rover
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I wouldn't say more mobile I mean it has wheels on it but it isn't exactly easy to move

sudden glacier
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easier than a cannon

potent merlin
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'ey boys. I don't have the last page of Scrapbeak's entry. Do you ever like get a concrete answer of who Scrapbeak is/was?

earnest jungle
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Avis Wyndham Sr.

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Avis Jr got into a fight with his pa and killed his pet birds out of resentment for the affection he showed them and not him.

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And with those birds the last Warm feelings Avis Sr had for humanity died with him.

potent merlin
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Aaah. So who like patched him up to become that beast? Or is the Sculptor the sole master there?

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Considering you see some of that go down in the trailer

earnest jungle
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The events of the trailer are odd

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They contradict Jr Story.

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Jr says his father only lost one leg in the war, than another during reconstruction, and then his arm in an event that is alluded to but not mentioned.

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But the trailer seems to indicate he lost both legs in the battle.

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But this was before Avis was born so what would he know

icy brook
sudden glacier
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heh

icy brook
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A .30 Army Gatling or a Colt-Browning machine gun would be really awesome to see appear as a prop though

noble scarab
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Maybe ol scrapbeak lost both legs in the war, then Avis Jr was born and only knew his father with that set of legs, then one got replaced or something, which could explain the small discrepancy

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Alternatively, someone is an unreliable narrator

dusty plover
noble scarab
noble scarab
icy brook
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Because I don’t want to potato digger to hit my kneecap

dusty plover
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Like, in detail

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👀

noble scarab
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Where he get that beak tho

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That unknown bird-surgically attached- beak

dusty plover
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Looks like a plague doctor mask transformed into a proper face

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Unless I’m remembering the damn thing wrong

noble scarab
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Plague doc evidently fucked off after that to Europe to deal with the Black Plague: Showdown, and only came back recently

dusty plover
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Possible

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Could be more of the plague doctor’s work, the mask

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Wouldn’t be surprised

empty owl
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could be a mad doctor that don the identity of a plague doctor

cerulean spruce
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I mean, its fair to assume a doctor would take all sorts of precautions to an unknown event causing people to get sick and transform. And would probably wear masks to be safe

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Also bayous are stinky, so a plague mask would help there too

earnest jungle
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If you think a mad doctor helped to create the Scrapbeak there is one that comes to mind.

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The infamous Dr Reed

potent merlin
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The doctor sure is more than some looney that likes 1600's fashion fan thats for sure

molten forge
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Isn't Scrappy's son still alive?

noble scarab
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i think he's in jail, but yes

hasty raven
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GAME THEORY: MONROE is Scrapbeak's SON?!?!

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AFFAIR with HARDIN?!?!?!

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more at 11

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Speaking of Monroe, how many lore characters have later become legendary Hunters? I see mention of Monroe and Carter and such in the lore, but don't know which came first

noble scarab
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Where was Monroe in the lore?

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I think Carter was mentioned in maybe the LeMat entries

hasty raven
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Some of the entries about the asylum mention him, maybe the special ammo entries

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Carter is in Centennial entries, I know for sure

noble scarab
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He is not in the Lemat, Lemat is BATS

hasty raven
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His entries also mention Ethyl and Jana who have a pair of LeMat legendaries based on them

noble scarab
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I'd thought his troupe was mentioned somewhere before the Centennial entries, but maybe not

hasty raven
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I can't look, I'm on a road trip

noble scarab
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i checked the pinned lore and it doesn't have any. it also isnt updated tho

hasty raven
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I am 100% certain the Centennial Sniper entry is from him

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And some of the Mosin entries for sure but not sure which ones

noble scarab
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we really should recompile all the weapon lore entries

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most things are missing from it

hasty raven
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Yeah, I would like to reorganize all of these super outdated lore documents pinned here

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I heard that the Ice guy who made them was banned or something

sudden glacier
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well he definitely isn't in the server

noble scarab
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I have all the monster lore entries unlocked, but i lack most of the weapon ones due to prestige

sudden glacier
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I feel that

hasty raven
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I'm missing the final Immolator page and last two pages of each boss, but I have almost every weapon entry besides Mosins, Lebels, and the Crown & King

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Won't really be playing for the next 5 days because of a road trip to Tennessee though

noble scarab
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There's not a good way of transferring these over in a searchable format besides just typing it all out

hasty raven
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Who is the Reverend legendary Hunter again?

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I forgor 💀

noble scarab
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Rev. Isham Gird

hasty raven
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Ah right

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On that note, anyone find it a little creepy how his legendary weapon is called 'altar boy'

sudden glacier
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I think that's the point

hasty raven
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yuck

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Ideally, I would like to compile a master-document of Hunt lore, including every single named character, every piece of info associated with them, every connection

noble scarab
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We don't know who the preacher for the church in Desalle is yet surprisingly. The churches in the other maps have signs that mention the associated preacher

hasty raven
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Even stuff like how Llorona's Heir uses the Rancor pistol skin in her DLC page, which fits because La Llorona is a rancor spirit, as well as the Rancor having been originally by an evil, deceitful man that would align well with La Llorona's mythos for Llorona's Heir to kill and steal the weapon of

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Every little piece of trivia like that

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I would be up to manually transcribe all of the lore entries tbh

sudden glacier
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madman

hasty raven
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I want to make a definitive list of what legendary Hunters and legendary weapons are connected

noble scarab
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at least most of those are straight forward

hasty raven
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I like the idea of using legendary Hunters with their associated weapons

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Even down to stuff like how the Winfield Vandal variants are named after the Phantom (since he has no associated legendaries)

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So naturally those would be his signature weapons

noble scarab
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he had to use a mini-winnie on account of having to work it with his previous prosthetic

hasty raven
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In fact, he apparently made the original vandal deadeye and vandal striker, though the vandal itself was ordered from a gunsmith

noble scarab
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i'd think the one lynch gave him might've been more advanced and let him use various guns

hasty raven
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In my opinion the vandal striker is his 'signature weapon' since the deadeye could be any old scope attached to a regular shortened Winfield, but the striker entry in the Libre De Armamentariis specifies that Gus afixed a sawblad to his vandal, which is the form it takes in game too

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And for some reason he uses a cavalry sabre in his DLC promo images so that's associated with him too for some reason

noble scarab
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he's a classy dude, the saber only seems natural

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plus its one handed and probably easy to manipulate

hasty raven
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Good point

hasty raven
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Of course when I get the motivation to make a list of characters and their associated weapons, I'm in the middle of a 7 hour road trip

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SPEAKING OF weapon connections to characters, the Verbana knife from the Bayou Wraith DLC

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I just thought about its description, how strikes from it 'blossom' (paraphrasing, I'll look up the exact wording soon)

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For some reason it reminds me of the Trail of Tears. I have a vague memory of that tragedy having some connection to a type of flower, but I can't remember

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So I think the Verbana's description might be referencing that, especially since the Teche Wraith's backstory is about staying steadfast against being driven from their land

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I'm gonna research it now, see if I remember correctly

noble scarab
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so my comment got deleted i guess, but basically the plant is associated with certain herbal practices

hasty raven
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It doesn't seem like the Teche Wraith was a part of any of the Native tribes who were forced to relocate

sudden glacier
noble scarab
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its funny cause the wiki quote literally was advising against its use as a medicine lol

hasty raven
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I was right about a flower being associated with the Trail of Tears then. The Cherokee Rose, which is a real plant, but was also said to have bloomed on the ground where the tears of the Natives fell during their forced relocation

noble scarab
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Interesting

hasty raven
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I can't find the exact description of the Verbena knife though

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And since the Teche Wraith isn't from a people who were a part of the Trail of Tears, I'm not sure if it's a reference or not yet. But the DLC promo video with the 3 other Native Hunters alongside him who fade away, it kind of feels like it could go either way

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'Gal v la di e hi' is a deity the Cherokee prayed to for guidance btw

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The part about 'defying anything which tries to destroy it' reminds me of the Teche Wraith's backstory

wide holly
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Where is DeSalle supposed to be located? Also Louisiana?

rotund ferry
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Yes, although the devs have admitted that the landscape doesn't exist like this in Lousiana.

sand pier
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Yeah I don’t expect mountains in Louisiana

feral pecan
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@hasty raven idk if you realized it but verbena is a genus flowers that are typically more similar to perennials and the description may be saying red blossoms as in the redmarks on white shirts from stab wounds. but the idea of the cherokee rose is a good one i hadnt thought of. the only issue of that idea is that Rosa laevigata (the Cherokee Rose) is naturally a white flower. unless im mistaken in which case please correct me on that!

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though the really neat thing about both is that they are both invasive species except the verbena is native to europe where the Rosa laevigata is native to china i believe, not entirely sure on the exact country though

noble scarab
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iirc there are american verbena species, though much of it is naturalized. The common one is European tho.

hasty raven
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maybe instead of tears creating the white cherokee rose, the idea is the blood creates red verbena flowers. Idk why else the Native American themed blade would be named after a random flower

noble scarab
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so there is a red verbena, commonly called porterweed, coming from the Stachytarpheta genus

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it blooms across much of the south

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also known as red snakeweed

feral pecan
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this is true

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though i do know that verbena is typically red-purple hued and with the way the flower splays out does make it look similar to the idea of the red "blood flowers" that would appear from stab wounds on shirts, hence the blossoming idea

noble scarab
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The Waxwing: Wayfarer
Wayfinder: The Exile
Seinan Sharpshooter: The Ronin
Wraith’s Hand: The Teche Wraith
Rattlesnake: Russel Chambers
Lock and Key: Monroe
Blasted Heath: Night Acolyte
The Bark: Beastmaster
Augusta: Huff
Nightmare: Cain
Bear’s Leg: Carter
Blood Oath: Fin/Jos
Pane: Monroe
Reaper’s Arm: Lynch
The Tanto: Ronin
Verbena: The Teche Wraith
First Forge: Jos
The Claw: William Salter
Snake Seer: Fin
The Bite: Beastmaster
Mesa Updraught: The Archaeologist
Certain Victory: Victor Caldwell
The Harbinger: The Prodigal Daughter
Sniper’s Gift: The Sovereign
Long Hand: Marshal Brewer
Alison: Jos
Black Hand: Rev. Jeremiah
The Swamp Peach: William Salter
Night Terrors: The Night Acolyte
Faultless: The Exile
Spite: Elwood Finch
Rancor: Mason Lukas/Llorona’s Heir
Snake Eyes: The Revenant
Black Wight: Lynch
The Reckoning: The Prodigal Daughter
Desalle’s Silence: Elder Desalle brother
Carter’s Quickshot: Carter
Bone Briar: Cain
Brass Flower: Sheriff Hardin
Altar Boy: Ishim Gird
Bedlam Lullaby: Huff
Bear’s Tooth: Mountain Man
Bone Veve: Bone Doctor
The Eschaton: The Night Seer
Empty Cairn: John Voelkel
The Shrike: Scrapbeak
Black Widow: Lynch
Brother’s Keeper: Charlie Salter

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Compiled a basic list of each associated legendary

hasty raven
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I hope one day when I get the 5 max Hunters achievement (or even get one max Hunter, for that matter,) it'd be with legendary Hunters using their signature weapons

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Also, why in god's name are there three throwing knife legendaries

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Also 2, some legendaries don't really belong to specific individuals, but to a group, like that one Avtomat that is given to any member of the Night of the Hunter upon their final rite or the Verbena which is Native American themed in general and not connected to a specific character besides the DLC it's in

ancient ruin
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I think the red dead story is just a fortnite knock off

earnest jungle
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Please keep this channel to lore discussions only and kindly take your trolling elsewhere

empty owl
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Huff's kit: Huff
Bingham bash: General Bingham

noble scarab
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I’d forgotten it doesn’t show you event or other previous legendaries

feral pecan
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Hailstorm was an unnamed Russian sniper if I recall

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The Halloween weapons I believe had hunters tied to them if IRC?

empty owl