lore-discussion

[sly pivot]

So, I'm kinda new to the lore, but I've been trying to get more into it lately, and I have a question about grunts/hives. From what I've read in the liber de monstrorvm, it seems like grunts eventually turn into hives, given enough time? So why is it that ingame hives are always female, while grunts can be both male and female? Is it just a disconnect between lore and gameplay, or do I misunderstand how hives are created?

[modern marsh]

You've got hives wrong

[rotund ferry]

Okay, maybe I'm going down a rabbit hole here. but:
The fish at goddard that has packed its bags and is heading to the water is a Catfish. Des Allemands, Lousiana is called the "Catfish Capital of the Universe" and has a Catfish festival.

[sly pivot]

How so?

[uncut brook]

Deepest lore

[modern marsh]

The hives are copies of a first hive, one being mentioned in it's entry

[uncut brook]

But it sounds reasonable

[mental jewel]

KAR98K confirmed.

[exotic hill]

So we're pretty sure it spells out "Heading north to Desalle"

[modern marsh]

Same goes for immolators

[earnest jungle]

No Mention of either a Todesalle or DeSalle

[mental jewel]

Those Germans make nice guns

[rotund ferry]

Ah ok. I could have sworn I'd seen "DeSalle" somewhere in-game before though

[earnest prism]

Why are you talking about the Gold Rush? There's a gun in the game litereally called 'DeSalle's Silence'

[uncut brook]

Oh

[rotund ferry]

There we go.

[sly pivot]

So, in the grunt lore, what is it talking about when it says stuff like, "Opened the rib cage today. Saw it was buzzing" and "It turns out the heart is more of a nest!!" and "The heart seems to pumping some sort of nutritional fluid into the veins, which in return house tiny larvae. Is it pumping insects?" and finally "It is as if the chest cavity is going to explode." Doesn't that all point to the grunt in question slowly turning into a hive?

[earnest jungle]

It’s not a place then it’s a name. They’re heading North to find DeSalle.

[lunar anvil]

DeSalle's Silence flavor text: The favored Sparks LRR of the elder DeSalle brother, a man whose business ventures would not have been as successful without the occasional enforced silence.

[earnest jungle]

No it points towards the Grunts being vectors for the Sculptor’s corruption.

[frank iris]

Psychoghost map

[earnest jungle]

The Grunts produce flies that carry the Sculptor’s dark corruption and then spread those flies across the bayou.

[sly pivot]

I see

[signal raven]

We got all the letters from the trailer? What does it say?

[earnest jungle]

Oh and we’re getting two more Native American Legendary Hunters and Bows and Arrow

[rotund ferry]

Finally.

[sly pivot]

Oh is that confirmed?

[frank iris]

I don't think

it has something

to do

with translation

[eternal flicker]

Ishim Gird turned into an immolator? He's dead lorewise then?

[earnest jungle]

Ishim Grid did not turn into an Immolator Reverend Jeremiah did

[sly flare]

maybe the map will be based around the desalle family, given there was a plantation spoiled maybe it was theirs

[coarse spear]

i post what i found on reddit

[eternal flicker]

New trailer shows him turning into one. Maybe it's showcasing how Jeremiah turned into one then.

[coarse spear]

i found 20 symbols

[rotund ferry]

Do we think the trailer is showcasing any literal resurrection mechanics or is it all stylistic?

[lucid acorn]

Turns out Desalle is quite a common surname in Louisiana

[rotund ferry]

Dea Allemands may also refer to the general swamp in the area called "Bayou des Allemands"

within the universe it's totally possible

[versed sierra]

It does show some mystical graveyard realm.

[earnest jungle]

Screenshots of the New Map: The Plantation, The Mine, The Forge, and The Plains.

[rotund ferry]

Right so I'm wondering if this is Hunt's answer to Apex/Warzone's respawn mechanics. It works within the fiction of the game for sure.

[versed sierra]

Yeah we’ll have to wait and see. Does seem possible as a set up for pulling the dead back from that realm. Hunter is shown ‘intact’ falling into it.

[uncut brook]

I thought that the graveyard realm explains how "quick play" works lore wise.

[rotund ferry]

The area of Des Allemands is called "German coast" and has a quarry on the old map in wikipedia 🤔

[rotund ferry]

For a second in this clip, I thought this was glowing eyes implying a resurrected hunter but I think it's just a glint on his glasses.

[uncut brook]

It's just a glint 100%

[rotund ferry]

Also, unrelated to that topic but the lyric "I killed another, to get this seat, on the train, to New Orleans" seems to prettymuch 100% indicate the new map is in New Orleans, right?

rather than Des Allemands

[lucid acorn]

think i got it boooiiiiisssss

[tawdry sun]

??

[earnest jungle]

It also seems that the Land of the Dead is a dark reflection of the land of the living. Based on what we see at 0:18-0:24, and 1:46-1:59 representing an escape from the land of the dead metaphorically or literally.

[rotund ferry]

You think they are planning the patch for the third weekend in June? Because that would be one hell of a birthday present for me.

[lucid acorn]

Might be about the expeditions La Salle ( a french explorer ) made down the Mississippi river

[runic shore]

Any idea about this symbol?

[sly flare]

i believe that would be e

[earnest jungle]

Plus the footage of the New Map in the trailer is much to rural to be New Orleans

[warped finch]

There was a leak of the new map and we know its gonna be another swamp with more fields and forests

[rotund ferry]

Good to know, don't incriminate yourself though. Feel free to delete that reply buddy. 😆

[rotund ferry]

Yeah. They said the map leak was legit, if old.

[bold tiger]

When did they say that?

[earnest jungle]

I don’t think it’s going to be a swamp this time around

[warped finch]

They did not have to since many things leaked with it and among them was stuff that is already in the game so we know that it was legit.

[warped finch]

Cool, but it is a fact that it will be a swamp

[junior owl]

I'm german and it would be Todesallee with two e not one

Todesalle would be death all

[bold tiger]

I thinkits just a bit of a pun

[warped finch]

Seems pretty incredible to me as well that they were making another swamp for almost 3 years but well... here we are.. xD

[bold tiger]

Crytek are swampy bois

[earnest jungle]

It’s definitely not a swamp

[warped finch]

xD

[earnest jungle]

You don’t find a lot of mines in swamps

[rotund ferry]

Heading to Des Allemands, which is a town in the swamp called Bayou Des Allemands and the "catfish capital of the universe" - and the fish at Godard Docks that packed its bags is a Catfish.

[warped finch]

Cool, then Crytek found a way cause it leaked and its gonna be swampy

[thick garnet]

Destrehan plantation in Louisiana

matches the one from the video

[rotund ferry]

There is a huge quarry in the area called "German coast" in Lousiana

[thick garnet]

three windows on top

[rotund ferry]

I mean it's still set in the south, in the bayou. I know everybody really wants a map without water, or...with snow for some reason but I think those folks are in for continued disappointment.

[junior owl]

Me in my German way like new German content

[novel saffron]

Here's for anyone to see

[bold tiger]

@earnest jungle you do find sulphur mines

[lunar anvil]

what writing is that?

[thick garnet]

they wont make a map without water. gatorlegs would be useless

[warped finch]

Oh, with Crytek I am used to dissapointment xD Would you like another mosin skin?

[lunar anvil]

is that a made up hunt language?

[uncut brook]

Yep

[lunar anvil]

cool

[bold tiger]

Voynich manuscript but with more stuff i think

And only 1 letter per letter vs English alphabet

[lunar anvil]

I was really excited for a hidden date maybe. 😦

[warped finch]

Or just be useful in deep snow.

[bold tiger]

Sulphur mines are surface mines and have been in swamps in Louisiana

[novel saffron]

That's what I was hoping to find aswell

[rotund ferry]

They know better than to set dates at this point, the community already gives them enough shit for everything under the sun as is.

[earnest jungle]

Yeah but those mines don’t use shafts, they pump the sulfur out of the ground using superheated water and air pressure. And we’ve seen from various pictures that the mine in this new map is an underground mine.

[rotund ferry]

Gotta be coal then, right?

[bold tiger]

I don't think that's how they did it back then

[brazen cedar]

wait i thought we already knew it was another swamp....wasnt there a early version of the map 3 leaked a while ago?

was that fake?

[bold tiger]

No

What that one was very very old

[brazen cedar]

right but i cant imagine they completely changed vision on it

and started from scratch

[warped finch]

I have it on my pc

[lone maple]

Do not discuss leaks here

[warped finch]

It is a swamp

[bold tiger]

I remember they removed a lot of water on current maps

[brazen cedar]

do not discuss leaks?

thats dumb af

[warped finch]

hahahah

[brazen cedar]

posting it i understand

[warped finch]

thats a good one

[brazen cedar]

thats some authoritarian crap

[bold tiger]

Please stop poking the murder bears

[lone maple]

No discussing/spreading leaks, false or datamined information about the game or any other Crytek project. It will be deleted on sight.

[earnest jungle]

It is the Frasch Process was invented in 1890 to mine sulfur in southern Louisiana. Attempts to build conventional mines and sink shafts into the earth ended disastrously.

[brazen cedar]

thats a no no

[lone maple]

You're barking up the wrong tree, friend, I'm just following the rules

[brazen cedar]

what rule?

you cant speak of the rule

cuz its aginst the rule

[rotund ferry]

I think someone can dig up the reddit post, I think it got a Crytek response. The one about the map?

[lone maple]

It's not stupid, this is an official server and discussing leaks here is against its rules

[earnest jungle]

Instant Karma’s gonna gecchu

[brazen cedar]

lets specuate about the map 3

which in my dream

[sudden glacier]

hypocrite

[glossy falcon]

Guys come on

enough

[brazen cedar]

anyways

[glossy falcon]

If you can't be friendly, don't chat

discuss lore here

thanks

[brazen cedar]

so anyways did we translate the icons?

[lone maple]

#lore-discussion message

[brazen cedar]

desalle?

[lone maple]

They discussed it a bit above, if interested

[rotund ferry]

So I'm almost never in this channel, but it seems like the best place to be on this server. That said, have I missed out on any good Werewolves discussion lately? Because like...we all know that's going to somehow manifest, right?

[thick garnet]

desalle seems to be the name of the next location. desalle plantation does not bring up any history but the Destrehan plantation does have similar design to the one in the trailer.

[earnest jungle]

DeSalle could possibly refer to a Town, a Family Name, or both.

[thick garnet]

look at the three windows atop the roof and the many columns . very similar

[brazen cedar]

thats just every single plantation house in the south

[rotund ferry]

A lot of plantations look like that

[brazen cedar]

they all look like that

[molten forge]

I'm calling it now

DeSalle is a plantation owner

[brazen cedar]

which prolly means the ideas of moving out of the south unlikly

there are no plantation style houses in oregon and Colorado (except ones made to mimic them)

[thick garnet]

thats fine I'm just sharing what I found. three windows on top is a style then we can extrapolate from the design of the interior from common plantation tropes.

[rotund ferry]

Wait. The very beginning of the video and the shot and then him falling backward into the darkness. Do we think that might imply a shot you could take that would allow your hunter to be resurrected?

[uncut brook]

I think it's the serum.

[earnest jungle]

I think that’s meant to represent a Hunter undergoing the process of gaining the Dark Sight

[uncut brook]

The one that hunters use to not get infected and all that.

And the one that allows hunters to use Dark Sight

[rotund ferry]

Ah, makes sense. I still think they're somehow hinting at being able to revive dead hunters though.

[molten forge]

I always thought the vitality shot was a mix of cocaine and some other stuff

[rotund ferry]

I also just realized that this is how The Revenant died.

[novel saffron]

There's a region in Louisiana called Cote des Allemands (German Coast) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Coast

[brazen cedar]

what is that scene with the shackles breaking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Plantation_Historic_District

[novel saffron]

We're probably heading there. If you read the wikipedia page it says four plantation were developing in this area, and if you check for quarries in the area there are some to this day

[bold tiger]

Hosts the Louisiana Catfish Festival on the third weekend in June.

[thick garnet]

@novel saffron thats going on the assumption that DeSalle is actually refering to Des Allemands

[brazen cedar]

"Desalle Family History

Origin unidentified; perhaps a reduced form of French Delasalle, a topographic name for someone ‘from the (de la) hall (salle)’. "

[bold tiger]

Our catfish in a hat packing his bags and heading to a boat

[brazen cedar]

I mean....

[novel saffron]

Yes, sure. We're all making assumptions here 😁

[brazen cedar]

I mean....

Looks like a real life example is forming

map full of mine carts

[thick garnet]

@novel saffron no worries. i was just stating a fact. I think its more probable that the desalle, as its spelled in the trailer is referring to the down. backed up by the very map mr ouija posted above.

nice research though

[earnest jungle]

Which is itself a massive leap of logic because its vases solely on them both being French and Des Allemanda is the Catfish Capital of the World Apparently.

And near as I can tell there are no Quarries in the German Coast region

[rotund ferry]

According to a map in the Wikipedia entry there is at least one

[thick garnet]

@earnest jungle how do you figure it's such a leap in logic for the town to be named Desalle, when it says [Heading North To Desalle} in the trailer showcasing some of the map. I don't think thats a leap at all. if anything its too on the nose lol

[novel saffron]

And guys bear in mind that Hunt is a fictional game that takes place in Louisiana, not a historical one. So the Dev Team might have taken some artistic liberties creating the new map

[thick garnet]

^ i second that

[brazen cedar]

sure but ficition is always derived from reality

[earnest jungle]

It’s a leap in logic because a Town in Louisiana with a French name describes 90% of the towns in Louisiana.

[brazen cedar]

like for example im finding through geneology that desalle is a very specific to louisiana and very specific to black people

could be a ex slave

also "headed north"

[bold tiger]

The third weekend in june of the catfish festival being close to e3 and being on q2

[hoary owl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaSalle_Parish,_Louisiana#Communities

[rotund ferry]

"Adjacent parishes: Caldwell Parish" 🤔

[earnest jungle]

See case in point.

You’re going to need more than just a french name to connect two french names in a state colonized by the french.

[bold tiger]

Caldwell and winfield were civil war generals

A lot of cities named aftrr them

[novel saffron]

Does someone know were the current maps would approximately be located in Louisiana? Trying to make sense of that "Heading North"

[bold tiger]

Well areas jn cities, parks streets etc

I think some of the current areas border the ocean

[thick garnet]

"heading north to" implies traveling to a destination. "to Desalle" is implying that it is that destination. it could be a person but its pretty obvious it refering to desalle as the destination we are heading to. this isn't that complicated to understand.and def the opposite of a leap in logic ha ha

[brazen cedar]

"im heading north to dad"

"im heading north to john"

[thick garnet]

could be

but less likely due to the fact that they are showcasing a map and not a person ha ha

[novel saffron]

So basically almost the entire Lousiana is North of the current maps

[earnest jungle]

The logic is essentially: this is a french name, and this town in Louisiana has a french name that’s not even remotely similar. That is the logic.

[brazen cedar]

could be the name of the family

that owns the area and runs the mining operation

[full tulip]

DeSalle is a part of the Lore (There is a Spark called "DeSalle Silence")

[thick garnet]

could be. but I'm 95% sure the map will be referred to as desalle.

[bold tiger]

@novel saffron seems like the northwest of lawson borders a very large body of water

[brazen cedar]

so it is a name

family

"buissness ventures" = mining

[novel saffron]

Might simply be the name of the plantation

[brazen cedar]

my final answer, family owned mining operation run by an ex slave in Louisiana

[thick garnet]

your too far into your own theory that you can't see the much more simple explanation. occam's razor my friend

[earnest jungle]

Especially when Hunt has not shied away from using real historical figures and places
Philip Huff Jones, Doctor John, Marie Laveau, Locust Grove, Governor Foster Etc etc. The Devs have never shied away from using real historical people and locations. If the map was Des Allemanda they would have called it Des Allemanda.

[earnest jungle]

You’re entire theory is based on Catfish.

[thick garnet]

i agree. I'm implying they are not calling it that... what are you talking about.

[brazen cedar]

@full tulip go zoom in on all the desgned on the side of the gun maybe there is a clue =p

[full tulip]

I'm in game now ahah

[thick garnet]

I don't think the map is called des allemanda and never said that

nor did i base my theory around any type of fish.. did you confuse me with someone else? wtf lol

@earnest jungle Liquid posted that. and you confused me for him some how. I was arguing against him saying that i believe the map is not called des allemanda and is just referred to by the devs as Desalle... because the code said Desalle.... which is the simplest theory one can derive from the hidden message. lol

Ritooon has be the best lead right now.

[earnest jungle]

Okay I’ve reread my comment, and I think we’ve had a failure to communicate

[thick garnet]

😄

obviously ha ha

[earnest jungle]

My initial comment was agreeing with you, but you seemed to think I was disagreeing with you, and then I mixed you and Liquid up.

[thick garnet]

well done we are both dumb

[earnest jungle]

I was saying that the Logic of DeSalle = Des Allenanda was illogical

[thick garnet]

I realize that now ha ha.

[thick garnet]

#lore-discussion message this is the best lead we have. apparntly deSalle is a person in the lore. they are brothers who silence people to have successful business ventures

[earnest jungle]

I believe the map is probably going to be in Northern Louisiana.

[stoic turtle]

Hopefully the maps that follow will travel further and further north up until we maybe even reach Canada?

Or maybe even NYC?

That’d be cool

Fighting in 1895 NYC

[earnest jungle]

The map could be anywhere from Upstate New York, to West Virginia, to New Orleans

It will probably not however be in an urban environment.

[stoic turtle]

We need an urban map imo

Like

Badly

[thick garnet]

i can almost assure you that is the furthest possibility. the game is based in a state that has been corrupted by black magic. they aren't going to leave that state when the whole game is based there.

[stoic turtle]

Fair enough :((( yeh ig ur right

[earnest jungle]

There have been mentions of incidents in New York and West Virginia, but I doubt they’ll leave Louisiana.

[thick garnet]

how urban do you think the late 1800s got? ha ha. this is a western gunslinger game. this isn't call of duty ha ha

[stoic turtle]

Quite urban actually, just look at Louisiana itself

[thick garnet]

i was unaware of that actually

[stoic turtle]

And for the record, urban does not equal call of duty

That’s just shortsighted

[thick garnet]

didn't know we was going on record. i plead the fifth ha ha

[earnest jungle]

As much as an Urban map would be fun, lore wise if the Sculptor’s influence reached a major population center it would be game over for the AHA.

[stoic turtle]

The AHA has been game over’d long ago

[brazen cedar]

I assume by urban you mean urban for the times?

which id love more towns

[stoic turtle]

Ya

[brazen cedar]

like a 2 clue compound

with several large buildings

in the form of a small town

[stoic turtle]

Maybe a district of New Orleans blocked off by police and military blockades?

[earnest jungle]

If the Sculptor’s influence reached any large city it would be the worst case scenario. It would become not only impossible to keep the existence of the Sculptor’s Realm a Secret but it might well become impossible to fully eliminate the Sculptor’s pressence.

[thick garnet]

I really like the idea they have in place now. each compound brings very differnent engagements due to the architecture. so put a few towns like arden and a few stand alone buildings like cat fish. make every engagement different due to the theme of the compound

[brazen cedar]

it seems weird to leave a obvious clue saying "heading north to desalle" with out some way for us to figure out what/who/where desalle is

otherwise whats the point of the clue

[stoic turtle]

Maybe as the final update which implies that the AHA failed and gives a solid reason for the hunt to continue on?

[thick garnet]

i think they are leaving breadcrumbs and more will follow

[brazen cedar]

they should just go full ARG

[stoic turtle]

wussdat

[brazen cedar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game

best marketing tool in the world

valve back when they made games had some of the best ones

[thick garnet]

i thought boobs were the best marketing tool in the world. but too each their own

[earnest jungle]

You know pulling a Deadlands and having the bad guys win certainly would be a twist.

[brazen cedar]

Portal 2's trailer was released absed on 1000's of people figuring out a bunch of VERY complex clues

that lead to the trailer

[reef wigeon]

Has anybody considered René-Robert Cavelier?

Old french explorer best known for exploring the Mississippi river, always used the name DeLaSalle

Established some forts in the southern states

One that stood out to me Fort Prudhomme, disputed vague location around Tennessee area, documented to have been attacked by native americans whilst de La Salle was there

[novel saffron]

Sure it's interesting to know since we know we're finally getting a native hunter

[reef wigeon]

Yeah that's what stood out to me, one of the famous forts he constructed had a well documented connection to native americans

Some of it's theorised locations are in Deltas too, would fit with the sort of bayou-lowland theme

[amber onyx]

So, the subliminal message says, "Heading north to desalle" wich is tied to the sparks silencer?

[novel saffron]

Yes, probably

[amber onyx]

Jesus you guys work fast, it was not even an hour and you guys already know whats up hahaha

[thick garnet]

@amber onyx they had it translated by the time i screen capped all 21. and I was done 10 after it launched. they are fast

[lyric wigeon]

XD

[novel saffron]

I mean it took me 15 mins to decipher the massage and put up that little JPEG I made and when I came here to post it they already had it figured out 😅

[amber onyx]

The gun that the carcass gunrunner was hiding inside the pig was a mosin sniper right?
I think it looks like

[novel saffron]

Looks like the Hailstorm, the christmas event mosin-nagant sniper skin

[snow gull]

I find myself wondering what this trailer has to do with dark sight though? The trailer's name is Dark Sight and does show it being used, but i wonder in some new mechanic is going to be introduced for it or something, like updating what can be done with it like spotting nearby dead bodies or needing to use a shot to boost its range or abilities etc etc etc

[earnest jungle]

The beginning show’s a hunter gaining the dark sight for the first time.

And though this could be just artistic license at play I suspect the areas with unnatural coloring reflects the world shown to us in the darksight

[reef wigeon]

Another point to my theory, the Sparks rifle's lore page is from an Asylum in Jackson Louisiana, which is very close to the Mississippi river that de la salle explored and founded forts along

[lunar anvil]

I saw someone on twitter speculating we are getting a team deathmatch with burning fields as the arena edge. any thoughts on that?

[amber onyx]

A team deathmatch mode?
Nah, i dont know how is gonna fit the lore tbh

[lunar anvil]

Yeh I thought the same. But interesting...

[snow gull]

oh so maybe this trailer is a bit of a visual retelling of the hunt's history while hinting the future content

[lunar anvil]

we got the history behind revenant and the Reverend yeh?

[earnest jungle]

I think the areas with unnatural lighting are the lands of the dead.

[novel saffron]

Sure is, there are different "origin stories" for some od the characters we know

[lean shuttle]

Sheriff's induction of a new Hunter is in the trailer

If i remember correctly a player wrote a little thing very similar to that way back when.

posted it on the reddit or something.

[reef wigeon]

Just realised too that the forts delaSalle was famous for constructing are also a ways north of the river from Jackson Louisiana

[lean shuttle]

In the final shot of the trailer you can see a large fortress in the distance. Is that the fort you're talking about, Major?

[amber onyx]

Isnt the final place called happy days?

[lunar anvil]

Also, is there currently a map where the assassin is outside?

spawn rather

[novel saffron]

It is, you can also see in the background a fort (on the right) and a crane (on the left), probably from the quarry

[lunar anvil]

because he's outside in the video.

[novel saffron]

In blanchett graveyard

[lunar anvil]

ah cool. I've not run into that yet.

[reef wigeon]

Possibly so yes

[earnest jungle]

The Reverent was a Gambler killed over a dispute in New Orleans. While in the land of the dead he was guided back to the land of the living by the Night Speaker a member of the Night of the Hunt Cult. Though the figure in the video is the Bone Doctor and the New Orleans Voodoo Community does not seem to share the views of the CNH.

Ishim Grid was a Protestant Evangelists who used the Catholic Widow Blanchett’s money to build Healing Waters Church in Stillwater Bayou. When she discovered that she had been deceived the Widow Blanchett cursed Ishim Grid, Healing Waters Church, and his whole congregation.

You can see it faintly behind the gazebo looks like a Stockade.

And pretty big one too

[reef wigeon]

How coincidental that fort prudhomme was a stockade fortification

[earnest jungle]

Also new legendary

[restive storm]

thats the bunny

not new

[muted mist]

Where should I start trying to understand what's going on lorewise?

[restive storm]

in the pins are a couple of overarching themes

• beginners guide to lore

[muted mist]

Ooooh hype tysm

[junior pecan]

Trying real hard not to shit on everyone’s fun, difficult

[maiden crater]

I have a question about the Lore: So from what I've been told, this whole outbreak thing is actually based on Demons possessing bodies and malforming them into the horrid creatures that the Hunters fight such as the Spider or Meathead and other such horrors.

So my questions is (might actually be more than one, now that I think about it), if all these horrors are supposed to be demons and malform the host upon taking them, wouldn't angels also exist and could also do the same?
Cause I couldn't get this idea out of my mind of the fallen angles stories where they become demons but look really fucked up or just loose their waty and look different and then I thought well what if one of those fallen angel guys possessed a Priest, tried to have him close a rift or kill a boss and then just turned like all the other boss creatures and becomes a new boss to fight, their attacks dealing fire damage and also while enraged gaining a ranged attack where it blinds hunters if they get hit...wait I think I lost track of where I was going now...

TL;DR - If all these enemies are just demons, then do angels exist and whats stopping them from coming down here and helping fight back?

[earnest jungle]

I stand corrected

Anyone got the lyrics for the full song?

[earnest jungle]

We have no idea.

We have an idea about what’s bellow as it were, but what’s above us? No clue.

Another question: didn’t Jos and Fin use crossbows and axes?

[eternal flicker]

That's the reverend isn't it. The reverends name is Ishim Gird. It's my favourite skin. Maybe we'll find more in the future

[main shard]

anyone else catch the numbers that flash randomly throughout the video

[muted mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431516552391819274/846784248979652618/Heading_North_to_Desalle-1.jpg

[main shard]

I'm gonna try and screenshot 'em all

[muted mist]

Yes already decoded

[main shard]

sick

[muted mist]

It was a language

Thank the awesome people who lurk this channel

Cause they do wonderful work

Love ya lore people! ❤️

[stiff geyser]

Sorry if already mention but there is La Salle parish irl too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaSalle_Parish,_Louisiana#Communities

[runic shore]

I was reading the blog post again and they say "This event will be part of a series of updates that are aimed at quality of live improvements. Future updates will come with improvements and enhancements to performance and stability, the new map and much more."

[stiff geyser]

Seems like as good a spot for a hunt as any 😄

[runic shore]

So it seems that the next update won't be the new map release? (as they had previously hinted) or am I reading too much into it?

[stiff geyser]

many ways to interpret that quote @runic shore

[earnest jungle]

While this is probably just the Crematorium the fact that this is used to advertise the new map and event on Official Website means there has to be some kind of significance to this scene

Either this us actually a shot of one of the mines and not the crematorium or it’s a clue to the new event.

[amber harbor]

definetly pitching

[novel saffron]

Yeah pretty sure that's pitching

[amber harbor]

my guess is that it will have something to do with underground areas, like picking up gems

and the fact that Lawson station is featured heavily, along with the lyrics "i killed another to get my seat on the train to New Orleans" makes me wish you could board the train in Station to get access to the new map, when it gets out

and then x board globally to unlock it as a standalone map

[earnest jungle]

After that scene we get a shot of what we suspect is the land of the dead. Perhaps the new event is based around death and resurrection.

Oh man if killing other players is how you’re going to get points for this event than I am screwed

[novel saffron]

The only thing that kinda makes me think that might not be Pitching is the "outside part" in that screenshot, it looks like the slope goes on for longer. So even if looks like the entrance to the underground area, they could have used something similar in the new map

Really hard to tell tho

[earnest jungle]

Well there’s an way way to solve this: is there a hole like that in the ramp of pitching crematorium?

I’m going to log on a see for myself in trials mode

[novel saffron]

If you can maybe post a screenshot for comparison

[earnest jungle]

I will

[amber harbor]

Train to New Orleans - Lyrics

I'm heading South
Take this train
Back to back
Seal the Way

They say it's dark
In New Orleans
They say it's dark
For a woman like me

I killed a man
And a few more
I shot them down and left their bodies cooling on the floor

I killed another
To get the seat
On the train
To New Orleans

<male>

Three days counting
Specter shots
Their journey true
Just my kind

I'll take this down
To New Orleans
They say it's work
For a man like me

<both>

To walk
Between the ???
We're counting graves
That we will fill
With men like me

My rendition of the lyrics at first glance

[earnest prism]

I don't think this scene has any meaning. If every scene was showing something relevant, why was the Carcass Gunrunner just doing Carcass Gunrunner things in the Slaughterhouse? It's just showing what was already established about him on a map that already exists

[novel saffron]

In the end it might be saying "with men like me"

[earnest jungle]

Okay I've gone into the map and I can confirm, that is not Pitching Crematorium

No Hole

Hole

No hole

[amber harbor]

That hat is still in the same place

but no chains behid the lamp

[earnest jungle]

So either this is a new compound, or Pitching Creamtorium is getting a rework

[novel saffron]

It matches Pitching almost to the pixel tho, there are a couple of differences but looks almost the same. I doubt the devs would recreate something so similar in the new map

[earnest jungle]

But that hole wouldn't connect the ramp to any existing room

Which means either it's a new compound that looks similar, or Pitching is getting an extensive rework.

[amber harbor]

maybe a new spawn point for an event activity?

[random lava]

what makes you think it's a hole

[novel saffron]

It might just be damage on the wall

[amber harbor]

oh its just blood?

matches the splatter texture

Divine intervention

[random lava]

I didn't say anything, I was just wondering

[novel saffron]

Considering that it's hit by light i would assume blood might reflect more

[earnest jungle]

whatever it is it's something that isn't there now

[amber harbor]

the website image is higher quality

[glossy falcon]

It is pitching

some clips in the video are form the past

also the hat is there in both photos

[earnest jungle]

There's still what ever that thing is

I don't know what it is: hole, blood splatter, rift into the land of the dead. All I know is it's not there now.

[novel saffron]

Love the idea of the rift, was actually thinking the same

[earnest jungle]

Since it's not a blood splatter, and it's not a hole, than it has to be some kind of rift and I'm betting dollars to donuts it's related to the new event.

[ebon cave]

do you guys think the trailer hinted at a new game mode or is that just me?

[bold tiger]

That looks almost exactly like how some of the damaged walls in fort/brickworks looks like

But still means it was put there

[midnight umbra]

Lyrics for "Dark Sight" trailer: ```I’m heading South
Take that train
Pack the bag
Slip away

They say it’s dark
In New Orleans
They say there’s work
For a woman like me

I killed a man
And a few more
I shot them down and then left their bodies
cooling on that wooden floor

I killed another
To get this seat
On the train
To New Orleans

Three days counting
Specter shot
There’s gonna be trouble
Just my kind

I’ll take this gun
To ‘Orleans
They say there’s work
For a man like me

Two above
Three below
We’re counting graves
That we are for

We’re counting graves
That we will fill
That we will fill
With men like you

With men like you```

[junior pecan]

Thats clearly black coats canonical death. This trailer looks like one big recap

[ruby current]

Say again, what did the symbols scattered along the trailer hint to?

[earnest jungle]

Looks like the old man went down fighting

[novel saffron]

#lore-discussion message

[ruby current]

Ok, I might have found something

[novel saffron]

The only thing we know for sure is that "DesAlle" is the name of a family cited in the Sparks Silencer skin

[ruby current]

Perfect

I might need your help

Pardon my ignorance, Mississippi is north of Louisiana right?

[novel saffron]

Yeah like North-East

[ruby current]

Ok. There is an American writer born in Germany (which casually is where the devs are), Greg Iles. I stumbled upon an extract from one of his books

I'm trying to find a version in English so everyone can understand

The book is called Blood Memory

I might just be seeing things, but.

DeSalle. Antebellum houses and mentions of slavery (Plantation House?). "the wilds of Louisiana", "shot through the heart", "crop fires" (visible in the trailer). There is also mentions of mines in the area.

[novel saffron]

Fascinating, great find!

[ruby current]

I mean it's so contrived, but this Natchez, Mississippi place might be the inspiration for the new location. There is also a Natchez in Louisiana apparently

[midnight umbra]

I'm just going to say that Lieutenant DeSalle was a human male of French descent in Star Trek

[restive storm]

so the hunter who stole the Black Hand off of the house of Reverend Jeremiah confirmed Redshirt?

[solar monolith]

Is this book something that's known to a large amount of the population In Germany?

Because For all we know, we could just be Looking way too into it lmao

[restive storm]

no

[solar monolith]

gotcha

[ruby current]

I have no idea. The author seems pretty well known

[ruby current]

Yeah absolutely

[restive storm]

he was born in Germany moved to America at 4 years old

just saying

[ruby current]

I just saw a lot of little pieces in there that clicked a bit

[solar monolith]

right, gotcha.

[restive storm]

the fact that he was raised in mississipi probably had something do to with the fact that his works are of the voodoo/bayou type of flavours

[solar monolith]

though I think that the lore nerds over at crytek would definitely have used books like these for reference or something

I think it would fit with their M.O.

though I could just be talking in circles for all I know lol

[midnight umbra]

wait till you find out where the name "scrapbeak" came from

[solar monolith]

Also, Are The Legendary Weapon Skins One Offs Unless Stated or were they reproduced multiple times?

[restive storm]

they are all one offs most of them have that clearly stated in their lore in one way or another

[solar monolith]

I would assume that the Trials and The Set skins like Golden ticket and the Centenary Would be Reproduced?

[restive storm]

the prestige ones are gifted by the AHA so those ones you are right

[ruby current]

The book apparently revolves around the search for a serial killer that leaves bite marks om the victims in the swamps of Louisiana

[solar monolith]

Huh

[robust thistle]

dont tell me the serial killer is the new DLC guy mindblown

[solar monolith]

Kinda Reminds me of the Once Bitten Description

[ruby current]

I just thought about the grunts that are all over in Hunt

[solar monolith]

though the entire DLC is about Werewolves and folklore of that nature

[ruby current]

But arguably the most interesting thing about the extract was just citing the name DeSalle in the area coupled with mentions of plantation houses in decay

[solar monolith]

yeah

[ruby current]

North of Louisiana

[solar monolith]

Do you think that Desalles Silence is Referencing them?

[ruby current]

If it's just a chance, it's a damn spot on one hahaha

[solar monolith]

Also Revenent Was Killed With Pennyshot Confirmed LMAO

Also, The "Hole" in Pitching someone was talking about is 100% blood splatter

you can see the edges of the splatter having those "tails"

Although There isn't any body (maybe moved?)

[ruby current]

The whole train thing of the song and some scenes of the trailer probably means that this "new place" is a bit farther from the playable locations, right?

[solar monolith]

Yes, I would assume so

I think still within Missisipi, but away from Bayou or Delta

[novel saffron]

Yeah, if you watch the video frame by frame you can see it's also smeared towards the ground

[ruby current]

Also. I remember talking a bit with someone here about the plantation house design

Most specifically the squared columns, which seem to be rare

[solar monolith]

Also Love the attention to detail of the T1 hunter being initiated with a Legendary and T3

And I think that Forest that Zooms out after he Injects himself Is the "other side" or whatever it's called

[ruby current]

This estate mentioned in the extract is called Malmaison

[earnest jungle]

That is not blood splatter

[ruby current]

A Malmaison antebellum house, with square columns (which again, seem unique) really exists in this town Natchez.

[solar monolith]

Does the "MSA" on the Syringe Mean anything?

dunno man, it looks an awful lot like blood splatter to me

[earnest jungle]

The shape of the “blood spatter” is too circular to be a blood splatter

[solar monolith]

And to be fair, we only see like half of it

[earnest jungle]

That is a hole

[solar monolith]

If it was a hole, it'd have more definition to it

This is just "Flat"

you can even see the little tendrils around it as our mystery mans got dunked on

[earnest jungle]

It is not flat it’s half of a hole leading into a black abyss. The color is all wrong for a blood splatter

[ruby current]

The real mansion belonged to a Choctaw chief. In The trailer, the part showcasing a native American has the mansion with square columns behind

[solar monolith]

It's also Night time

and in a shadow

And Im pretty sure you can see the Detailing of the brick inside the splat

[novel saffron]

Another thing that comes to mind for the splatter on the wall is that Grunts are described to have a black liquid instead of blood

[solar monolith]

Indeed

[novel saffron]

That might explain why it looks so off

[solar monolith]

The Devs must be laughing at us as we argue with eachother right now lmao

[novel saffron]

I mean, they put that stuff there for us to play with. Let's play then 😁

[ruby current]

Guys can you please give me some input on that whole house thing? Am I overthinking like crazy or does it make a sliver of sense?

[earnest jungle]

Do blood splatters usually have things inside of them?

[solar monolith]

I mean, the zombie blood does

[earnest jungle]

It’s not a blood splatter it’s a hole it’s a rift into another dimension and there is something inside of it.

[solar monolith]

To be fair

it aint that important

but Im 95% sure that it's blood splatter

[lunar anvil]

its a black thing of indeterminable nature.

[solar monolith]

there

Im more inclined with that than "rift into another dimension"

[earnest jungle]

If it’s blood than what left it?

[solar monolith]

Could be zombie, could be Human, we can't see the other side of the bricks with the hat on it, for all we know, there's a corpse of some kind chilling out behind the bricks

And it ain't beyond the scope of possibility of it being the T1 that got revived

[novel saffron]

I mean, as everything that's been discussed, there might be some truth in the things you pointed out. To be honest it's really hard to tell

[solar monolith]

I could Imagine It being like the Redneck, and it's them Defending their home

[earnest jungle]

So something was shot and it created an almost perfectly circular splotch of dark liquid over the bricks with no holes or gaps and left no visible lines from the bricks

[solar monolith]

I mean, is that SO hard to believe?

You're tempting me to go ask my friend to go shoot something Just to prove a point.

[ashen moth]

did anyone saw the reverend transformation?

[solar monolith]

@earnest jungle

Reverend Shooting a Zombie

@ashen moth Holy crap Yeah

He turned into a Immolator

[ashen moth]

yeah!!

that was nice

[solar monolith]

Aren't Hunters supposed to be Immune to the Sculptors Influence though?

Or is he not Inducted?

[tall lava]

Might be just a reference to the first immolator being a priest in general

And the only priest model they had laying around was the reverend

[solar monolith]

fair

also new mosin sniper skin

[tall lava]

It's the bunny

[solar monolith]

ah

Dont have it, Didn't recognize lmao

It also just looks Super Bright

though I assume thats because of the metal reflecting the Afternoon sun

[north sphinx]

Has anyone else noticed the weird smear marks, almost like numbered film on a projector that occasionally pop up?

In the trailer*

[solar monolith]

Yeah, they've cracked that already

[north sphinx]

Oh sweet

[solar monolith]

it's the Language in Hunt showdown

It says "Heading North to Desalle"

[north sphinx]

Coolio, thank you

[solar monolith]

Don't thank me lmao, I wasn't in that part of the Discussion :P

[robust thistle]

The symbols are "references" to the Voynich manuscript

[north sphinx]

Thanking you for informing me haha

[solar monolith]

Lmao

[earnest jungle]

And what exactly was shot that was big enough to leave a perfectly circular person size blood splotch on the wall with such even consistency that there’s no a single gap in puddle

[robust thistle]

You guys should drop that endless argument about the "thing" in pitching it's going nowhere

[solar monolith]

I've already dropped it, I really don't give a damn about it

It's just amusing to see him walk around in circles trying to Justify his claim

also

nvm, I answered it for myself lmao

it's the hailstorm

Do we know where this is?

[junior pecan]

Blood or hole does seem more likely than a new type of rift

[novel saffron]

I'd say under Darrow Livestock

[junior pecan]

Its darrow undergroubd entrance, unless reusing assets

[solar monolith]

I can't tell where though, Im looking all over

Unless they're Remaking Darrow?

There's a pile of bricks in the Dark on the right side

[novel saffron]

It's right where you drop in the hole just outside the compound, under the structure connected to the main building

Under those planks

[opaque vessel]

anyone else think those are fireflies at the end of the teaser? I hope so, would be so awesome on night maps.

[versed reef]

Is this the new hunter?

on the right? i can't recall that armor on the arm

[earnest jungle]

I think that's Nadia Orville

[north sphinx]

Given the hair and styling of the armor pad, it reminds me of a Japanese type armoring style

But could very well be Nadia

[wispy eagle]

Has there been talk about the world "inside" the clue?

[eternal crystal]

Could be this guy, as the same outlined facial features from the side. Although hard to say from this angle

[glacial schooner]

Does The Phantom have any weapons or items attached to him

[glacial schooner]

That’s a t3 I think

[eternal crystal]

No, he uses the sabre in the offical DLC page. But there is no info tied to any weapon or item afaik

[amber harbor]

There was a vandal skin which belonged to him

@glacial schooner

[modest oasis]

It wasn't a vandal skin, I believe. But actually the vandal itself.

[ruby current]

The vandal is tied to the phantom yes

It says it's his signature weapon

[modest oasis]

I might be wrong though. It might actually be a skin. Or the Vandal Deadeye.

[eternal crystal]

I didn't know that actually

[modest oasis]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hunthorrorsofthegildedage_gamepedia/images/0/0d/WinfieldC_Vandal_Deadeye_Mastery1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/642?cb=20200826212210

[eternal crystal]

The boi Gus, cool thanks

[modest oasis]

I don't know many lore stuff in the game. I just remember teasing Rachta Z about it in the past :P

Because it's one of the few things I found out shortly after release.

[devout cedar]

This is not Offical lore, but for people that like Eastereggs and like the "Hatfish" lore check this out
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/nlei7g/reveal_the_biggest_hunt_showdown_easteregg_ever/

[craggy comet]

it's just a regular tier 3 guy

[brazen cedar]

oh shit that is the same face just diffrent paint

[eternal crystal]

Yeah you are right

[rotund ferry]

I wonder what happened to Monroe's chest

[brazen cedar]

based on how we treated mental health patience back then, I assume some kind of psudo medical experiment. or maybe open heart surgery since

since hunt takes place 3 years after the first open heart surgery which scars look just like that actually looks too crooked and off centered

[vagrant gulch]

wow that's a great and well-reasoned guess

[novel saffron]

By the way this clip from "Dark Sight" was reused from the "There Came Darkness" trailer that came out last year, just calling them out 😅

[earnest jungle]

Huff and Finch were experimenting on the patients.

LeMonnier’s Kit implies the two were intentionally infecting the patients for reason’s that are not entirely clear.

James Byrne’s journal implies Huff and Finch were after nothing less than immortality.

[brazen cedar]

Ahh

[earnest jungle]

However the Sparks Lore tells us that they were recruiting the Hunters from the Patients interned at the asylum.

[rotund ferry]

Could be this guy ; you probably know lol

[eternal crystal]

Heheh no, it's the tier 3 I was just mistaken

[rotund ferry]

Rip

[wintry root]

Is Dark Sight painful to use? Gotta know for my short stories. Yeah, I'm writing again.

[novel saffron]

I suggest you read the "Dark Awaits" blog post that's on the Hunt website, there's kind of a story about it

[wintry root]

thanks

[novel saffron]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/dark-awaits

[mortal hinge]

Lads in this new trailer we see the carcass gunrunner put a gun into an animal carcass and im not sure i recognize said gun in game does anyone know what gun it is??

[glossy falcon]

Mosin sniper iirc

[novel saffron]

It's the Hailstorm skin

[glossy falcon]

^

[mortal hinge]

thank u

[thorny meadow]

Does anybody mind explaining who the sculptor is? Thanks.

[modest oasis]

He's the big bad behind bringing all the monsters to life.

[exotic juniper]

when do we get to kill the sculptor

[flat dust]

The sculptor is immaterial more like a way of life, there's a little sculptor in us all

[exotic juniper]

i’ll beat him to death with a shovel

[jagged tide]

Oh god, far too much discussion to read it all. So just throwing in a few cents...
1.) At 1:03 we see Trevors putting a hailstorm into a pig, which isnt that surprising since he was smuggling weapons in carcasses. But he is clearly using magic gestures. Since this scene takes place in the Slaugtherhous (which Trevors used as a hiding place for goods - but which is also the birt-place of the Butcher)... might this hint that Trevors' magic awakened the Butcher?
2.) So far we thought the Black-Coat killed the foster-father/uncle of the twins in cold blood, but at 0:28 we can see that their uncle had a gun drawn. Maybe Durant killed him in Self-defence?
3.) 1:16 seems to suggest that Doctor John is the one who revived Robertson, but the lore of the Revenant says, that the "Night Speaker" brought him back, who is a member of the night of the hunter, as the Researcher-notes confirm (FMJ Martini-Henry).

[ruby current]

maybe the real sculptor is the friends we made along the way

[solar monolith]

the real sculptor was inside us all along @ruby current

[random lava]

magic gestures?

[hushed sedge]

Hey guys, I'm curious if anyone could enlighten me as to how exactly Voynich alphabet was put together by the community

It's a simple lookup table type of deal, but how was it figured out in the first place?

Did people already have known phrases and matched it up?

Was it just released with no codebreaking necessary?

[glossy falcon]

So actual Voynich is nothing like this table suggests

however Crytek are using this version for the game

[hushed sedge]

Yeah, looking up "Voynich" returns information on a manuscript with the same name

[glossy falcon]

as an easy "decode"

[hushed sedge]

The manuscript in question is described to be written in an "unknown" script and as far as I'm aware, it's not know what the manuscript is describing

[glossy falcon]

Yea, actual Voynich unfortunately has been lost to time

[hushed sedge]

However, that does leave the question - is the manuscript canon in the universe, and is it relevant, or is it just a cool word crytek writers liked?

[cloud bobcat]

It's just 2000 y.o. DnD rulebook

[hushed sedge]

And that doesn't, ultimately, answer my question

how were the symbols paired up with english alphabet

[glossy falcon]

They just were

for "font" needs

[hushed sedge]

Yes, but did Crytek go "alright real talk, here's the key to the future puzzles"

Or were they put together? Was there a Rosetta Stone phrase?

Was it put together from tiny scraps of words over time?

[glossy falcon]

So it's been a while since it came out, but from what I recall Crytek said "Here's the font we use" and people went, oh ok cool.

and they went to download it

The font was created by someone who just slapped the 2 together

[hushed sedge]

wow that's kind of boring, but I understand

Fez, an indie game, had a similar thing with an "secret code language" that's, again, just a font effectively

[fallow gorge]

The gunrunner is just cleaning his hands. The butcher was brought to life by a taxidermist

[cloud bobcat]

They probably just needed the atmospheric font at the time

We may as well see the ingame origins later

If there are none yet

[hushed sedge]

It had a ||fox jumping over a dog|| next to a ||big stone that said "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"|| and that's how the language was figured out

So that's fascinating to me

[glossy falcon]

^ There you go

So someone did figure it out

it's been a while

[hushed sedge]

Either I'm stupid or that's not enough for my satisfaction

[random lava]

go to searchbar and use in:lore-discussion and go from oldest

there is a lot more that went into it but I can't go and copy paste all

[hushed sedge]

Is this person the one behind breaking it?

Would adding a from:KarenStarbucks be helpful?

I mean, I'll just look

[random lava]

youre better off looking through everything yourself

it wasnt just her so just start from the start of the channel

[molten forge]

We're gonna get a big theory coming soon tho

[hushed sedge]

Ooh, there's also a #lore-discussion-hardcore

[molten forge]

Yeah though that isn't used anymore

[random lava]

lore hardcore came later aswell

[molten forge]

Just an archive now

[random lava]

voynich was already figured out then

[hushed sedge]

okay, I did go to oldest and it does shine a lot of light on how this particular case was solved

yeah doesn't prepare me much for a potential arg

I want a proper Hunt Showdown ARG

Would be great

Probably

Maybe I'll just face the reality that I suck at codebreaking again and will be upset again

[cloud bobcat]

Arg?

[glossy falcon]

Alternate reality game

super interesting if you've never heard of em

Give youtube a look through for some

🙂

[cloud bobcat]

Will do, thanks

[hushed sedge]

There are a couple of things to an ARG, but the most defining feature is puzzles and that they're really elaborate

Sometimes players need to find a real-world place and go there in person to collect or figure out clues, that's how elaborate the puzzles can get

[molten forge]

Honestly after the Dark Sight video I'd be down for a Hunt Movie

[cloud bobcat]

Sounds fun. Also, I'm pretty sure there are like five or so cypher methods, that are used most of the time. And if you'll look them up, it will give you a good idea how to deal with text puzzles

[molten forge]

Like a Jonah Hex style movie

[hushed sedge]

Yes, you are correct

Text backwards, numbers to letters, alphabet shifts (also known as caesarian, also known as ROT-something)

vigenere is pretty common too

at least vigenere takes effort to break

[molten forge]

Caesarian cyphers are pretty basic yeah

[hushed sedge]

Yeah, you can bruteforce one with just your eyes

Like, 26 variations. All of these can fit in a notepad window without even a scrollbar appearing

[molten forge]

There was also a kind of cypher which required you to wrap a piece of leather with the message around a certain size of stick in order to read it

Forgot what name that one had, was definitely an old one.

[hushed sedge]

Scytale

Well, transposition cipher, and scytale is the stick

[modest oasis]

Me, learning entirely new things that aren't related to hunt that I actually was pretty interested in :O

[hushed sedge]

Yeah, recreational cryptography

[glossy falcon]

Let's keep it Lore related pls ❤️ ya'll can chat ARGs in #off-topic

[hushed sedge]

alright

[ruby current]

I summed up what I've found about the new trailer. I'll attach pictures as well!

The message says "HEADING NORTH TO DESALLE". The references to trains in the lyrics of the trailer song, some scenes with the locomotive, hints like "the time has come to widen our horizons" under the quarry compound teaser imply that the new map will be set further away from the two we already have. Now, by looking for mentions of DeSalle and Louisiana you will find a couple of loose things, like resemblance to the name of a church; you could also connect it to the town of Des Allemandes, Louisiana. The legendary suppressed Sparks LRR is described like this: “The favored Sparks LRR of the elder DeSalle brother, a man whose business ventures would not have been as successful without the occasional enforced silence.”

I have stumbled upon an extract from the thriller novel “Blood Memory” by Greg Iles (an American writer born in Germany). Many of his books are set in Louisiana, along the Mississippi river; “Blood Memory” focuses on the search for a serial killer that haunts the swamps, leaving bite marks on his victims.

In the extract, the protagonist visits her hometown of Natchez, Mississippi, and talks about her family’s history in the area. Her mother’s ancestors are named DeSalle, owners of cotton fields (presumably connected to slavery) and minerary deeds in the area surrounding the town (this picked my interest giving the talk about quarries and mines on the new map). The family constructed a huge mansion, an antebellum house (which like many others could have been a plantation house), called Malmaison (being a replica of the French palace). The house is described as unique from the others.

This is the extract:

One of the unique features of the teased Pearl Plantation House compound are its square-shaped pillars. The extract from the novel says that the other houses were usually built following a Greek revival style (which strictly implies the use of round columns), but not the Malmaison estate. Example of such houses with squared pillars are extremely rare.

Looking for a building named Malmaison in Mississippi, you will find it’s a real antebellum house in the Natchez area. This mansion incorporates squared pillars in its architecture, which again is a very unique feature; furthermore the owner of the estate before it was abandoned appears to have been Greenwood Leflore, a Native American, chief of the Choctaws. The Choctaws, as the Natchez (from which the town takes its name), are one of the Native American tribes of the Louisiana area. Two scenes of the recent trailer feature two different Native American characters, the second one yielding the bow with the Plantation House compound in the background (recognizable again by the pillars). If the game is going to have Native American hunters, it would obviously make sense for them to be from the local tribes.

This is the real Malmaison Estate:

I can't record the trailer scene, but you can check for yourself. The mansion is clearly recognizable in the background behind the bow-yielding hunter.

The events that take place in Hunt happen in Louisiana. Huff, cited everywhere in the book entries, is stated to be the superintendent of an asylum in the city of Jackson, Louisiana; given that many of the first hunters were actually inmates from the asylum (like the new character, Henry Monroe) and given that W. Salter escapes the structure to go back to the bayou where his family lived, we can assume that the town of Jackson is relatively close to where the outbreak takes place. The town of Natchez, Mississippi, is exactly north of Jackson, in a straight line.

To sum it up: NORTH – DESALLE – NATCHEZ (location, Native American tribes) – MINERARY DEEDS (quarry? mines?) - COTTON FIELDS (slavery? “do they deserve mourning?”) – UNIQUE HOUSE, ABANDONED, SQUARED COLUMNS – NATIVE AMERICAN.
tin foil hat drops

[cloud bobcat]

It fits too well to not be true

New Orleans is also right there. And to the south from two locations

[molten forge]

My money's on this theory tbh

[ruby current]

In the novel, the housemaid of the estate is called Pearlie (Pearl Plantation House?). It is also stated that the DeSalle family owned an island close by (DeSalle Island), probably used as a hunting reserve given its wilderness.

[molten forge]

Honestly too much coincidence for it to not be at least an inspiration

[eternal crystal]

Ooo damn there is some juice in with the lore bois, good stuff @ruby current

[molten forge]

I'm honestly quite surprised that this started with a discussion about architecture a while ago

[eternal crystal]

[molten forge]

But still, Sleepius did some great digging

And it adds up really well.

[ruby current]

Interestingly, Jackson, Louisiana has a correctional institute...

... and one of the streams that pass through is called Asylum Creek

[ruby current]

Maybe we will shoot our Pax revolvers around Natchez soon...

[eternal crystal]

[jagged tide]

Well the gestures look alot like the ones shown in the next scene.

[novel saffron]

Is this the shot you're referring to?

[cloud bobcat]

This is the one yes

[novel saffron]

I wouldn't say that the structure behind the hunter it's clearly recognizable as the mansion, it doesn't looks too different from the structures we see in the current maps (Blanc Brinery for example)

[jagged tide]

To me it looks alot like the gestures the hunter healed by the wellspring does in the next scene, but I'll have to watch again, looking if "cleaning hands" seems legit 😆 Concerning the Butcher: No. Ariel D'aunoy didnt bring the Butcher to life. He only created its hull by taxodermizing a Meathead. How this "golem" came to life is still unclear.
I think the trials are supposed to show us pivotal moments in the lifes of the Hunters - or even of the Louvent. The trial at the slaugtherhouse is about Trevors coming to look for his goods and finding a Meathead there. So I think there is a relation here.
Similar as with Gird, who went to Chapel of Madonna Noir to save Dr.Winkler and Father Nico, but coming "to late" and found an Immolater (the scene is shown in the trailer as well). I have suspected for a long time, that the Grunt, which Winkler dissected, turned into an Immolater, blasting up the whole place. The dark (burned) colour of the Grunts shot by the Reverend in the trailer seems to point into this direction as well.

[novel saffron]

Incredible finds nonetheless 👏 👏

[cloud bobcat]

Just rewatched it several times and have to agree with you.

[cloud bobcat]

I would say he's just cleaning hes hands

[fallow gorge]

The taxidermist quiet literally made the meathead. It's implied in the story the butcher was brought to life by a lightning strike

[ruby current]

It seems to me like before the scene fades a squared pillar comes in

but maybe you're right, the squared pillars bonked me in the head

[fallow gorge]

Concerning the first immolater, it was known to be Reverend Jeremiah

[jagged tide]

It's not rly clear how the Butcher came to life. We still know too little concerning the sculptor's nature (I suspect its some kind of insectoid Hive-mind, and its maggots, still inside the Meatheads skin, took over the Butcher's new form). Trevors using some kind of magic in the slaughterhouse would imho make more sense then the Frankstein/Lightning theory. But its also possible, that Trevors just shot the Meathead, that became D'aunoy's plaything. Might even be, that the Sculptor followed D'aunoy as a "kindred" spirit and brought his work to life.

[cloud bobcat]

You can forgive yourself a little bit of wishful thinking

[jagged tide]

Weird way to clean your hands, but possible.

[cloud bobcat]

He's literally does the clappy-clappy motion

Like the "job well done"motion

Not really cleaning them effectively

But the "cleaning"motion

I don't know how to describe it in English

[fallow gorge]

The sculpter is heavily implied to reside in another dimension. Think of it as hell, i suppose. It doesn't take over meatheads nor any of the monsters found in hunt it's more of a corruption type thing

Also the gunrunner using magic isn't really plausible as him using "magic" isn't known at all. The only person known to do this is Lynch herself through rituals

[jagged tide]

I know. But only the FIRST Immolator. We dont know yet how those creatures are copied by the sculptor. It might be, that the normal Grunts (as "raw-material") "evolve" towards new forms, if the sculptor wishes so (the entries of Winkler might suggest that). The Reverend went to the Chapel and found an Immolater (or maybe even severals), the chapel burning and Nico & Winkler gone. Later he sent his men to burn down the place again. The dissected Grunt turning into an Immolater, exploding, setting the Chapel on fire, killing Winkler and Nico - would be a sound explanation.

[jagged tide]

No. ALL Hunters use magic when closing rifts, opening clues using dark-sight or banishing bosses.

[fallow gorge]

Perhaps but the scene in the trailer doesn't depict much, it just seems to me that's it's part of another wave of trails coming up

[fallow gorge]

Yes, that's dark sight. We don't know anything else the hunters can do besides that.

[molten forge]

I get the feeling that a lot of the boss monsters in the game have some form of inspiration from Frankenstein's monster.

Mainly Butcher, Spider and Scrapbeak

[jagged tide]

Yes, I know most theories concerning the sculptor. But I personaly believe he is more like what the Overmind is to the Zerg, and that he and his creatures are quite physical. We also have at least one source clearly stating, that the sculptor (like Lynch) is possessing the body of a living human. I think that human is Tommy Frank.

[molten forge]

Butcher being brought to life by a lightning strike, Spider being an amalgamation of corpses, Scrapbeak being literally put back together by a doctor in what can only be described as gruesome.

Assassin seems more rooted in Dracula inspirations

[jagged tide]

We do know, that Lynch and the Twins possessed magic abilitys beyond that, and Dr John, Felis and the "Night Speaker" as well.

[molten forge]

Doctor John also revived the Revenant, right?

If we are to believe the trailer

[jagged tide]

Not sure about that. The lore of the Revenant says he was lead back from the dead by the "Night Speaker", whom the Researchers confirms to be part of the "Night-of-the-Hunt"-Cult of Powell. But in the trailer its Dr. John rreviving him... But Dr Johns magic abilities are noted at other places as well (iirc for example in the windy-run trial).

Maybe they decided to change the Revenant lore, just f*cked up or Dr John and Powells cult worked together on the matter (which would raise the question whats so important about Roertson)

[fallow gorge]

Ah my bad, I should've clarified that I meant normal hunters like the ones we can recruit.

[jagged tide]

Gotta go to work now, will try to catch up later.

[fallow gorge]

I don't know if they have any other abilities beside darksite

[jagged tide]

none in the game yet

but they might have.

[fallow gorge]

Alright man, take care it's been nice discussing lore with you

[molten forge]

Necromancy

[jagged tide]

thx, sam, cya

[molten forge]

Long range revival can technically be attributed as another ability

[jagged tide]

*same

[fallow gorge]

Perhaps but I treat traits as learned abilities and not something thats comes with becoming a hunter

[molten forge]

And seeing it's something anyone with darksight can learn it is possible that the root of most "magic" might be the same root darksight stems from.

Perhaps the difference is that people like Dr John could potentially have this ability innately while most hunters artificially gain this ability.

Though that's highly speculative

[fallow gorge]

Good idea

If so it might've only revealed itself when Dr John gained his ability as a Hunter

[cloud bobcat]

Regarding the abilities - does anyone else think that vitality shot scene in the teaser can imply that it has something to do with hunters gaining their abilities? Or am I overthinking things?

[molten forge]

Hence why Dr John is obviously more experienced in usage of magic, and potentially necromancy (as seen in the dark sight trailer)

[fallow gorge]

Hunters are injected with a special serum that allows them to see the otherworld. It is however not the vitality shot we have ingame

[cloud bobcat]

Oh, okay

[fallow gorge]

I believe it was harvested by Lynch herself from a demon involving some sort of ritual

[polar fable]

I believe that scene was supposed to be showing the initiation of a hunter candidate - sheriff Hardin gave the serum to that white shirt for him to get dark sight and other abilities and the they go hunting

[fallow gorge]

^that too

[cloud bobcat]

They just come in the similar syringes then, I guess

[polar fable]

Yeah they just reused the model I guess

[molten forge]

Now it could be possible that people like Dr John have not taken this serum at all?

This could therefore also extend to the Revenant, as technically he'd be between both worlds.

[fallow gorge]

It's interesting because lore wise Sheriff Hardin did initiate criminals in his custody as hunters

[fallow gorge]

Good catch I didn't think about that, the Revenant is a special case

[cloud bobcat]

Did he became a hunter only after resurrection?

[molten forge]

We are not sure, but it might be.

[random lava]

Someone already showed it wasn't Hardin

[molten forge]

Aight, thanks for the clearup

Then disregard my last statement regarding Hardin.

I'm also partially certain that @random lava's icon has some deep lore implications

[fallow gorge]

God I just want a single player mode

[random lava]

Maybe

[molten forge]

Nixatek is Sculptor confirmed

[random lava]

[molten forge]

The magic he uses is 3D modeling

[novel saffron]

There is speculations around the idea that voodoo practitioners might be able to use dark sight even without being exposed to the Inoculum Serum, if i recall correctly

[cloud bobcat]

Searched general. Hrdin's team are the ones, who are going down the ramp

He's in the back

[molten forge]

If this is mentioned somewhere then that does add weight to the theory that the serum artificially connects people to what people use for Dark Sight, and that other magical abilities stem from the same source.

Therefore things like Necromancer could be Hunters learning to become more proficient with magic

Many traits could be in fact attributed to it.

[novel saffron]

The idea started from the letter Marie Laveau sent to Huff regarding the events that were going to happen

Maybe there's other evidence regarding this aspects, but I can't recall

[molten forge]

So the inoculum serum is pretty much artificial voodoo

[fallow gorge]

Artificial something but probably not voodoo

[molten forge]

If voodoo practitioners can use dark sight even without the serum I say we could link it to voodoo tbh

[fallow gorge]

While i would say voodoo can look into the otherworld I wouldn't necessarily attribute the serum to it

[molten forge]

But like with many things artificially forced, things tend to go grossly wrong, for example the birth of the meathead.

[fallow gorge]

Ah that

Yeah

The babies erupted in the mothers womb and ate them, no?

[reef berry]

Hello

Anyone know the story of The Carcass Gunrunner ?

[molten forge]

The reason why I link the serum to artificial voodoo is because through it one can learn necromancy in theory.

[molten forge]

He runs guns, in carcasses.

He's a "butcher" that smuggles guns inside carcasses for the AHA

[reef berry]

AHA ?

[molten forge]

American Hunters Association

[reef berry]

Thats an Good idea too do

Im new too the story sorry

[molten forge]

You can toggle his bio on the legendary hunter screen

[reef berry]

Ah thx

[reef berry]

What are they doing with them ?

[molten forge]

They use them to fight the monsters in the bayou

The AHA is the one that puts the bounties on bosses etc.

[reef berry]

Ahhh

And the Researcher does all the notes in the monster book right ?

[molten forge]

Yes.

[reef berry]

Ok

[molten forge]

Harold Black, the Researcher is also friends with someone named Vincent

who turns out to be the Assassin.

They're drinking buddies.

[reef berry]

Ohh

What happend to Vincent that he became the assasin ?

[molten forge]

We don't know, for all we know he has always been the assassin.

But he's a shapeshifter.

[reef berry]

Ok

Do we know who is the Butcher ?

[molten forge]

So naturally he didn't look like a mass of bugs when he went out drinking with Harold.

The Butcher is a funny story

[reef berry]

Ye

[molten forge]

Technically speaking he is a normal Meathead, that got killed, dragged to a place by a taxidermist, filled with clay and then got a pigs head sticked to him. This then got supposedly struck by lightning and brought to life by the Sculptor.

And the Sculptor was basically like "Ayy, that's pretty neat" and copied this taxidermist's homework

[reef berry]

Ohh

Thats actualy funny

Scrapbeak

?

[molten forge]

So basically, Butcher is a malformed baby born form a hunter, turned into a copy by the sculptor, turned into something new by a taxidermist, then turned into a copy by the sculptor.

[reef berry]

I hope its not a problem that im asking so much

[molten forge]

Scrapbeak was a human

Hol up

Lemme find the name again

He was called Avis Wyndham, Sr.

[reef berry]

Maybe u wanna accept my Friend request if ya want

[molten forge]

Eh sure, why not

[reef berry]

So maybe u can send the storys or something else when ya got time

[reef berry]

Whats his story ?

[molten forge]

But Avis Sr. lost his legs in the civil war iirc, was pretty pissed at humanity from what I gather and got noticed by the sculptor.

[reef berry]

Who is the sculptor

[molten forge]

I'm pretty sure that Scrapbeak actually does all this stuff from free will rather than being influenced by the Sculptor.

The Sculptor is the enigmatic being that is behind the entire plague in the bayou. Iirc he was a "loa"?

Anyhow a lot of this stuff can be found in the pins

[reef berry]

Ok

So he created all Bosses ?

And Enemies

Or she

[molten forge]

It, rather.

[novel saffron]

I don't think the entity is actually considered a Loa, it's probably referred to as Loa because that's how the voodoo religion would

[molten forge]

Fair enough either way it is an entity that is beyond our comprehension, like we are beyond its comprehension

It's as alien to us as we are to it.

[novel saffron]

Regarding this idea, traits are kind of a peculiar matter on this regard. We can acquire both "skill traits" (like fanning etc) and "magic traits" (like necromancer), so either it's like you say and they become more proficient with the kind of magic they use, as the do with their weapons; or the repeated exposure to the sculptor influence, during the hunts, corrupts them more and more, making them able to tap more in the "other realm" unlocking new "abilities"

[molten forge]

Indeed, so if this "other realm" is the same source for magic that Dr John uses with his voodoo, then it can be assumed that in theory anything that a capable voodoo practitioner can do would be possible for a hunter to do given they live long enough to learn.

Including potential foresight

However those under the inoculum serum likely are more likely to corrupt

[junior pecan]

When you say beyond comprehension do you mean the temporary sense?

Because its typical use is the inverse

[molten forge]

We know that the Sculptor learns from us, as it does not understand us.

[novel saffron]

Maybe, but I would say that's more likely "that a voodoo practitioner can learn to do whatever hunters do" other that an "hunter can learn whatever a voodoo practitioner can do", as they aren't the same thing. It's just that voodoo practices are able to connect in some way with this other realm, but aren't necessarily connected to it

[molten forge]

It makes "life" as it sees life to be.

[junior pecan]

Yes, but im asking if you mean in the temporary sense or the lovecraftian sense

Uncomprehended or incomprehensible

[molten forge]

I believe the latter.

[junior pecan]

That seems silly. If anthropology exists as an idea, and if the laws of logic and physics aren’t too different then it should be entirely possible for at least it to understand us, even if it does not in the present

Really just the former laws

The latter could be communicated as well

Lovecraft only used that idea as a representation of scale inequities

[molten forge]

It isn't bound to the same laws as we are.

[junior pecan]

Thats why it worked for him

[junior pecan]

Of logic?
How do you know, and

How could it function in our reality then

[molten forge]

Like stated before from how I see it, it is learning. It observes and makes what it observes.

As it doesn't understand life, it fails at making it. Hence why everything is pretty much malformed.

[cloud bobcat]

It can operate the matters we don't know about. Like, ants have no idea about electricity, yet they live in the world where it exists

Can as "might as well be able to"

[molten forge]

It perhaps eventually can understand us, but as it is currently it does not. However, we can not understand what the Sculptor is specifically.

As it does not adhere to anything we know.

[cloud bobcat]

So, we and it are in the same world, but on so different levels of existence, that we can't comprehend each other

[molten forge]

Hence why the AHA resorts to the esoteric.

Basically... "A raindrop can't comprehend a river valley"

[junior pecan]

Ok, yes i agree, but youre misusing the term incomprehensible which conflicts with what you’re trying to say

[molten forge]

Then what term would you suggest?

[junior pecan]

Uncomprehensible?

*uncomprehended

Suffix ible implies for all time

[molten forge]

Well I do think we won't ever be able to comprehend what the Sculptor is exactly.

[junior pecan]

Thats fine if you want to use it in that direction, much more difficult to contest that, but the sculptor finding us incomprehensible would contradict his capacity for action

And yes, on the topic of not understanding human physiology or biology in general, way ahead of you

That and vacian attributes are the basis of mirror theory

[cloud bobcat]

Mirror theory?

[junior pecan]

Which i hope to god will be disproven soon so I can stop mentioning it

sigh behold...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18XyEj3ccE5GFhbaTMJ-imv-Uq37SxG81jZKX3Qk9pUU/edit

[cloud bobcat]

Thanks

[molten forge]

As for magic and voodoo however, I am now pretty much dead set on saying that whatever hunters are artificially opened up to with the inoculum serum is the same source of power that Laveau, Lynch and Dr John use for their "magic"

And perhaps this "magic" can be understood eventually, scientifically, given time.

[junior pecan]

Soul physica

[molten forge]

But for now it's far to esoteric to understand.

[junior pecan]

Only progress weve gotten is the two ideas on inoculum

Extrasensory or transplanted

I made a lot of connections off of transplanted, which gives it a little credence i guess, but extrasensory has occams razor

[molten forge]

People like Dr John and Laveau can use things like Dark Sight without the serum and that hunters can use things like necromancy given enough time to "adapt" to the serum, that they're one and the same.

Dr John and Laveau are innately gifted with this.

[junior pecan]

Its not all abilities

Laveau and john are practicioners

Not magicians

[molten forge]

It's why I put "magic" in quotation

[junior pecan]

A skilled doctor is defined by his education more than his experience

It isnt inate

Probably, at least

[molten forge]

I believe it is.

[junior pecan]

Would be reaaally weird if it was t

[molten forge]

The inoculum serum simply "opens up" this gift, albeit at great cost.

[cloud bobcat]

Well, that seems a bit far fetched

[junior pecan]

Yep

But devs will never disprove it because oooo spooky ambiguity

And i cant just take it and leave yet

Gotta make sure im not breaking copyright in the future

[molten forge]

And yes, they are practitioners. But considering they can do things that normally require the serum, they might just be innately gifted with the ability to see beyond, and therefore make use of it. Being a practitioner and learning about this might simply imply learning exactly how to use said gift, and parting with this knowledge.

That's why generally not everyone can perform voodoo, as they can't normally see beyond.

[junior pecan]

Thats a lot more possible. I concede, its unknown

[molten forge]

It's all theory yeah, that's what makes it fun tbh

It's what got me intrigued in Souls lore as well.

[junior pecan]

It stops being fun when the 3 year investment doesnt pay out anything, and all the BOW lore turns out to lack any concrete assertions

Other than inoculum being blood

[molten forge]

Blood of what?

[junior pecan]

Thats the only thing i can remember us corroborating

[junior pecan]

Possibly demons

Sorry

“Demons”

[molten forge]

Which might refer to Loa as well then?

[junior pecan]

But theres only a single document mentioning it

And its contradicted by future research notes

Which have an air of authority

[molten forge]

Contradiction in research notes, makes it more realistic imo

Disproving what was previously believed.

[junior pecan]

Pax entries allude to lynch being inhuman, research notes allude to her not being

So pax entries are called into question

[molten forge]

I mean the same can be said about Dr John

[novel saffron]

Yeah, unfortunately the only reasonable answer for most enigmas we have is we just can't know (yet)

[molten forge]

Since they accuse him of causing the plague.

[junior pecan]

Which is ridiculous because theres so many interesting (or boring and typical) directions you can take this and the writers just wont

[molten forge]

Which is why I want there to be a hunt story mode campaign

To clear up a lot of stuff

[junior pecan]

Ambiguity without conclusion is like tension without a scare. Imagine watching ALIEN but the xenomorph just stays in the vents the whole movie and ripley just leaves

[molten forge]

Perhaps idk every legendary hunter has some story mode campaign to them?

[junior pecan]

Trials is all youre going to get

[molten forge]

Sadly yeah.

That said

[junior pecan]

And for some reason the devs saw fit to not even REMOVE THE PIECES OF PROGRAMMING THAT MAKE AI EASY TO FIGHT

[molten forge]

The Dark Sight trailer gave us a LOT of answers, and a lot more questions.

[junior pecan]

What answers

It was all just allusion to already known documents

[molten forge]

A lot of hose allusion were mostly theorized though, and with it they got confirmed

[junior pecan]

Hah! Nah

Reused assets

Stuff like that

No more legitimate than text

If they came out and said

“This is legitimate”

[novel saffron]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. But we have to consider that it's a game we are discussing, not a book or fictional work of other kinds, so there are a lot of other priorities before the lore, as the gameplay doesn't revolve around it

[junior pecan]

That would be nice

[molten forge]

It also gave us a lot more to work on other than the "Heading north to DeSalle" hidden message

As Sleepius' post made clear.

[junior pecan]

A lot of questions

Idk, maybe theyll do another big lore drop like BOW, maybe they wont

[novel saffron]

One could say that the video was just a reenactment of stories told in various documents

[ruby current]

Hi, I'm Sleepius, I see squared pillars everywhere now.

[molten forge]

Honestly if there is enough asking for a big lore drop there might be

[novel saffron]

Plus a bit of teasing for future content

[molten forge]

All these squares make a circle

But yeah I am really looking forward to seeing if Sleepius' theory is correct, and just calling it.

I'm also somewhat certain that the DeSalle family might have something to do with Huff's death, giving that "the elder DeSalle brother, a man whose business ventures would not have been as successful without the occasional enforced silence" implying he might have been an assassin

Perhaps more influential too, politics and whatnot

Silencing Huff, or killing rather, as a way to force a change of leadership more in their favor.

[junior pecan]

Wouldnt make sense to kill him with a compact german weapon instead of just with the silenced high caliber rifle youre known for

Unless he was already known in hunter circles, and not just to lynch

[molten forge]

Considering the Elder DeSalle Brother's weapon is found amongst hunters, it is possible he is a Hunter himself, so yes. He would be known in the hunter circles.

Either way, given that they might be the ones that the "old money" is very likely talking about, it is safe to say they might be very influential in the hunter circles.

That is if we're going off of the theory from Sleepius, that the DeSalle family is the one owning the plantation house as well as the mines/quarries.

As they're linked to slavery as well as mines.

But take it with a grain of salt. I'm very tin foil hat when it comes to lore theories.

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The fact this DeSalle is cited as a guy with "business ventures" makes me think it's something vast. Mining and cotton fields.

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Meaning they have a LOT of money.

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And, well, enforced silence. Like somebody had to speak out against him, because of slavery practices that might have been carried on even AFTER the war.