lore-discussion

[amber harbor]

but you are a godsend @restive storm . Thank you

[restive storm]

mosin inc

no problem:)

oh no wait thats the mosin spitzer

obiously the red one above this is the mosin inc

[tall lava]

Oh you need screenshots of lore entries still?

I have everything apart from final scrapbeak entries

[glad fractal]

I don't want to be rude, but may i ask why you not screenshot via F12?

[restive storm]

didnt know my playstation had that button

will do next time thanks

[glad fractal]

Since you choose to be rude I was not aware you were a peasant!

[restive storm]

[glad fractal]

Sorry, i did not know it came from a console because Acer.

[restive storm]

yea my monitor is acer

[glad fractal]

I somehow still think of Acer as Labtop people. And i know people who really dont know that F12 does screencaps on Steam... Granted those people seldom play something like Hunt and more... Candy Crush.

[tall lava]

I can make a imgur album with proper screenshots

[icy brook]

That would be nice, these shot are epic though, super insightful

[tall lava]

Here you go, all of the current custom ammo lore entries https://imgur.com/a/26IQJlK

[earnest jungle]

Hmm so what we can take from all of this is that Lynch and Huff they were only the beginning

The prologue to a much grander story

[marble wyvern]

Hello. I think the flags in the game should look like this if the setting is supposed to be 1895

[cold badger]

they do

[random lava]

The flags in game correspond correctly to the time period star wise

[lost magnet]

yo hot tea but whats the stance on racism and slavery and such

some of the attire the zombies wear seems to imply there were slaves

but like, when it comes to african american hunters, especially women, is there any canonical issue? Is the AAA inclusive, or just desperate for members

have there been any recorded incidents of hunters sabotaging their partner because of race

Hell i forgot there were asians too, which faced discrimination as well

[grizzled fractal]

honestly have not seen anything to do with race in the lore

[heady cobalt]

its like the gold rush, skilled hunters regardless of color are respected in the AAA

now if youre not skilled and youre a certain color, youre obviously not gonna get too much positive affection...

and if youre wondering how i know this, its coming straight out my bum

[lost magnet]

it makes sense

plus although it's gonna sound bad, AAA and other non-racists probably support the equal opportunity and represenation

while racists are probably fine having minorities go into monster ridden areas and most likely be damned to hell and their soul eaten

[digital hound]

I mean if the AHA has people with the common goal of banishing the evil from this plain of existence they might as well be more tolerant than the usual for the era, they are already contributing to society, we can expect most of the members to be decent people, most of them also have pretty shitty backgrounds too

[digital hound]

But I agree with this

As long as you work and show your abilities people won't look down at you as much

It's like being in the US army in the 1800', a lot of desperate people or criminals joined the army because they couldn't find any job, the army was a joke, unless you showed your worth

[earnest jungle]

From what’s mentioned in the lore. While the AHA does employ black, asian, and women hunters the bounty system is not entirely free from the prejudices of the period according to Black.

[slim hound]

the cool kid name for scrap beak is scrap breast

[restive storm]

I think its crow

fits better with the other bosses

[fierce sinew]

The cool kid name is Scrapman Crowthers.

[fierce sinew]

I think this is a situation where the institution isn't necessarily prejudiced in any way but the same can't be said for the people within that institution.

[glacial schooner]

What do we know about hellhounds? Are they just rabid dogs?

[amber harbor]

No, they suffered a simmilar process to grunts, aince you can see them descomposing

[surreal salmon]

what alcohol do they drink in lore?

[frank iris]

Orange Color, beer bottles or Blueberry flavor

Called Bronson Bottles

[lost palm]

is there a lore explanation for why there's so many european and russian guns in the game?
as opposed to the much more numerous common american firearms?

[surreal salmon]

maybe because in real life england, france, germany were selling a lot of guns to every way of the world

[amber harbor]

it being an open contract, it drew out foreign hunters to the bayou, each bringing their own guns

and the carcass gunrunner had a big part in smuggling weapons in

[lost magnet]

not to mention that the event is possibly not contained to the US

could be happening everywhere, but Louisiana is a hot spot

[fierce sinew]

IIRC things happen elsewhere but they're usually much smaller. Like one guy turns into a grunt or something, Louisiana is drastically worse than anywhere else.

Also I think the thing about the russian guns can maybe be explained as them being intentionally designed for easy and quick manufacture.

[lost magnet]

that too

[quick oar]

Why does the butcher have a dumptruck ass. What is the lore behind it

[fierce sinew]

Easy and cheap manufacture means lots of production, which means some falling off the truck or hitting surplus isn't impossible.

[lost magnet]

if the US is anything like it is IRL in Hunt, while the North is producing a fair amount, the south and west are mostly farmland and stuff with no actual infrastructure. While the civil war took huge tolls on the south, meaning any real factory-esque buildings and stuff they had was destroyed and yet to be rebuilt

[fierce sinew]

A taxidermist packed it full of clay to make it extra bodacious.

[quick oar]

amazing

[smoky lark]

huh

so what's the story on the miasma itself?

does it have anything to do with the epidemic in the bayou or is it caused by unnatural forces?

like a bioweapon gone wrong?

[lost magnet]

is there any reaosn why lousiana was such a hot spot or just chance

[smoky lark]

or was it where it all took place?

[digital hound]

The Plague Doctor and others think that the new wave of disease brought ny crows and Scrapbeak may have to do with old miasma theories

But the whole mess that's happening in Louisiana is the Sculptor's fault, maybe even the illness itself that started it all

[smoky lark]

that leads to my next question.....what's the sculptor?

i haven't been in touch that often with the community so forgive me for asking what i can only gather is a known fact(probably)

[lost magnet]

wasnt scrapbeak a creation of the plaguedoctor and the sculptor

[digital hound]

There are mentions of him in the Liber De Monstrum in-game, we don't know much about him and neither do I, but it's speculated that he's a supernatural entity of some kind, some people associated him with Voodoo practices and beliefs

[digital hound]

I don't know where people got the plague doctor thing in the first place, Scrapbeak's lore is hinted clearly in the reveal trailer (would be cool to have more cinematics for lore)

[lost magnet]

at 0:30 in the trailer when it pans down to his legs it looks like the plague doctors attire

plus it would fit with all the surgical precision stuff they talk about in the lore passages on scrapbeak

[smoky lark]

yeah.

it'd make sense that the doc was trying to save the victim in question but the sculptor in question probably twisted the poor bastard into some twisted abarrition of cleptomania

[digital hound]

That sounds like something I can get behind now

[digital hound]

Gotta check that

[candid remnant]

so with no one hunting the monsters for 2 hours now, how far will the infection spread?

[lost magnet]

thats a good question, I assume the sculptor can do whatever he wnats really

it rather

Idk why some people get infected and some dont

[smoky lark]

maybe it's because of the selective quickplay game mode?

most of us would be sent there as damned souls

as kind of a gulag of sorts

also.....unrelated topic: are people still playing the game rn or is it doing updates?

[tame sapphire]

Game's back up and running, as evidenced by #pc-announcements

[severe quiver]

I wonder what prevents the players from getting ahold of the continuation of weapons in their respective series. Like the winfield (winchester) doesn't have an 1894 option (increased fire rate and more than double muzzle velocity, but 10 inch shorter barrel) am I wrong or are the guns not modeled off the particular time that they were available?

we have things like the Nagant 1895 which is appropriate for the time, but we don't have some of the popular upgrades to already existing models

A Lee Metford Variant would also be cool to see in the game, but I understand why something not well used wouldn't be here

You could use the Lee Enfield which did see service starting in 1895

[lost magnet]

probably something to do with the event

not the in game event I mean the actual zombies shit

zombies maybe impeded certain advancements

and/or made such problems or allowed for discoveries for advancements in other categories

like not upgrading a pistol persay but focusing more on a shotgun which probably kills better

[lilac tartan]

So anything new on a timeline? Or its forever summer of 1895?

[fierce sinew]

It's 1896 at least now. The 2nd chinese dlc pack advanced things slightly.

[fierce sinew]

The answer is practical reasons rather than lore reasons, not everything is going to have a lore explanation. The guns we have are the guns we have because devs have limited resources and can't make every weapon.

[nocturne dome]

Wdym not well used lol

The lee metford was really well used

[digital hound]

Hunters in order to go into the Hunting Grounds take a shot of the Serum, which renders them immune to the sickness and allows them to use basically magic (Dark Sight, as well as turning on firebombs with a snap of their fingers or mild telekinesis as they eject spet shells from guns without using ejector rods, but that's personal speculation)

And it also renders them infertile, which is hinted in the Meathead lore

[junior pecan]

The firebombs are likely just flint+steel tied to the ends of two fuse strands, Or it could be a snap powder

[digital hound]

Could be

[languid raven]

Do I have to complete the library or is it something else the sculptor?

[lost magnet]

no idea

[little lake]

Gotta wonder what The Archaeologist did to earn the Prodigal daughter's ire + one of her bullets.

[lost magnet]

that canon?

[icy brook]

I’m assuming she had a hand in her mother’s demise, but perhaps I’m wrong

[severe quiver]

It was very quickly overshadowed by the Enfield

[nocturne dome]

It was used up until wwi so

They made quite a few

[severe quiver]

Yeah. But the Enfield was so good that it wasn't fully retired from military service till after 2010

[little lake]

I'd imagine she did, but the 'how' is what I wonder. Elise doesn't exactly give off the idea of a 'murder someone at random' look.

save, y'know. gameplay logic

[nocturne dome]

That's grossly exaggerated

It didn't see combat past like 1950 for the british empire

1955

[severe quiver]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/why-the-114-year-old-lee-enfield-rifle-is-only-now-being-retired-by-the-canadian-armed-forces/wcm/8ae073f8-7d26-44e9-9550-61219cfdda7e/amp/

[nocturne dome]

Somewhere in that region

That's canada

[severe quiver]

Yeah, but compared to the Enfield and other British rifles, the Metford wasn't very common

[nocturne dome]

Not in 1895

In 1895 the metford would've easily outnumbered it

[severe quiver]

That's true. The Enfield production would have just started

So it could be an unlockable through metford usage

[knotty smelt]

me and the crew comin

[gleaming condor]

so. whats the lore reason for
russian/german prevalesence of weapons
(and so many german names)
in the "wild west" we are at?

[lost magnet]

lousiana aint wild west

its solid south

weve discussed this before, weve theorized it has to do with america not being able to produce the weapons due to the incident, and that other countries are sending bounty hunters from their lands to get the highly valuable bounties in Lousiana

a hot spot of the incident

you've probably noticed a lot of the randomly generated names of characters may sound finnish or russian

french, german, etc

a lot of immigrants and travelers

@gleaming condor

[little lake]

Uhh, afaik, 'non-american guns' weren't exactly uncommon during that era, anyways

This was, after all, before the large majority of import restrictions that caused a major downflow of your typical 'exotic guns'

Plus, as rat said

Immigrants would've brought plenty of out-of-country guns. Especially if they were immigrating specifically to get into the seemingly lucrative trade of Hunting

[gleaming condor]

oh i see

cause i know people COULD get their hands on the weapons. (its import but i mean you can always PAY for it)

but the names striked me as if there was MORE to it too.

so i HAD to ask. but see why now "THANKS!" a lot for it.

didn't knew about the immigration thing (i get that the bounty is "LOTS OF CASH")

but when i see a hellscape filled with death and lovecraftian horrors i think more of people running away than immigrants (but i got it now thanks!)

[little lake]

Well, keep in mind

[lost magnet]

its not just cash

hell we dont even really know if cash is involved I think

just that it's valuable.

[little lake]

Many immigrants were often lied to when immigrating over for 'big opportunities,' even outside this.

[lost magnet]

very true

[little lake]

chinese immigrants, for instance, were shipped over because many had no other real choices, and set to arguably equal conditions working railroad gangs

so it would make sense that a good number of people immigrating over would hear of a semi-shadowy hunting business in the bayou that could be very lucrative, and 'all you had to do was kill things'

[earnest jungle]

It’s because the AHA is struggling to find arms dealers willing to work with them.

They’ve alienated both Winfield and Caldwell. Which are expies for both Winchester and Colt respectively

Which explains why they’re using much older and easier to acquire variants of both

[icy brook]

It seems the Russians and their dealers are picking up the slack, if the Sparks company follows the historic course of the C. Sharps company, they halted production in 1881, so they are also out of the arms trade

[earnest jungle]

With the Carcass Gunrunner it seems smuggling in foreign guns is much easier than trying to acquire domestic guns:

[viscid lava]

thats so odd considering when you are born in america, you are literally wrapped in an american flag, and handed a revolver as your first toy

maybe the "creators" or whatever they are called again has effected more than just the bayou

[icy brook]

Is there any lore as to who is manufacturing all the Lemat pistols, I’d assume someone ended up with the original patent after the war and is now creating cartridge conversions en masse

Unless they are more of a small scale conversion of surplus coming out of a small smith’s shop

[viscid lava]

just a random theory off of the top of my head
maybe the creators are manufacturing clones of all of the guns, ammo, and some of the hunters too

[icy brook]

This does explain very nicely why we haven’t seen any of the more contemporary models sold by colt or Winchester, like models 86-95

[cold badger]

carcass gunrunner

imports all sorts of shit

and thats where the gund come from

american guns are acquired normally

[icy brook]

I feel like a lore entry describing hunters raiding a US arsenal for 1866 trapdoors and other arms and munitions would be a cool thread

[cold badger]

i feel like they wouldnt need to

[icy brook]

Could be, by 1895 I’m sure out of a US warehouse they were a dime a dozen, especially chambered in 50-70

[cold badger]

i mean if they raided any arsenal it could just be wolfshead lol

up for grabs

why prisoner zombies but no soldier zombies

iui
hmmmm

[icy brook]

I do think the rifle models at Wolfshead may be model 1861 cap and ball rifles, but I could be wrong

[earnest jungle]

Wolfshead and Carmick where both bastions of Federal Power during Reconstruction

[cold badger]

wolfshead has nitros and mosins

lol

well someone was still using it in 1895

[earnest jungle]

Probably left over arms from hunters and hold outs

[cold badger]

it has guns and beds and dinnerware

bro hunters went in and stocked up the entire armory?

nah

[earnest jungle]

Pretty sure the only nitros and mosins you’re going to find in the armory are those left behind than can be picked up. The other rifles are probably older muskets your mistaking for newer rifles

[icy brook]

^

[cold badger]

or its a developer oversight

if you look at the guns on the racks

[icy brook]

Like I said I think the prop models are civil war era rifles, but perhaps they’re trapdoors, I’ll check when I’m not at work lol

[cold badger]

they are nitros and mosins

[earnest jungle]

The rifles in the armory are very clearly muskets

Withered rusted muskets

[cold badger]

okay send screenshot

[earnest jungle]

Taken from PsychoGhosts tour of the map.

Those are withered battered muskets

[icy brook]

[cold badger]

ill send my own screenshots later when i get off work

probably 2 different assets

[glacial schooner]

What does the text on the Death Letter say? Something about Scrapbeak?

[rotund ferry]

Interesting 🤔

[stoic oxide]

The weapons on the rack look more like the spectre. I dont see a hammer on them but i do see a little bit of a raised portion.

[junior pecan]

What in the goddamn is that texturing

[little lake]

rotted wood.

[junior pecan]

On the fuckin bore?

And receiver?

Fuckin union army running around with coconut guns?

[little lake]

if you look, there's a difference to the mottled wood, and the rusted, darker metal above it.

p. hard to see from that angle though.

these certainly aren't mosins or spectres though

[junior pecan]

It honestly looks like they just ripped a texture from one of the wood plank models

[little lake]

Maybe? Maybe not.

[earnest jungle]

“Death is not a man; death is a bird”

[pine sierra]

@cold badger found you idiot

[cold badger]

shut up i'll destroy you

@earnest jungle

Nitro express rifles and low-poly mosin rifles, as can be seen by their internal magazines

[earnest jungle]

It's a musket

[cold badger]

it's a mosin slightly remodelled to look less like a mosin

also the nitro rifles are there too

[earnest jungle]

It looks like a musket

[cold badger]

it's a mosin

[earnest jungle]

musket

[cold badger]

I know you're dead set on saying it's a musket and I can't convince you otherwise, even with visual proof, but i'm just putting this out there.

[little lake]

looking at the mosin model, though

[earnest jungle]

They're muskets, they're obviously meant to be muskets the fact that they're re-skinned from the Mosin skin doesn't change the fact that they're muskets.

[little lake]

they're not the same as the mosin model either

look at the odd rounded barrel

more like an avtomat barrel

[wind echo]

the devs obviously intend them to be muskets, accuracy aside

[little lake]

yeah

the shotgun looks a bit more like the caldwell, but, that's neither here nor there

[cold badger]

it's just a super low poly mosin

and the caldwell model is a shortened nitro express

that's why it's the only gun in the game that doesn't share proportions with its IRL counterpart

[little lake]

the barrel matches the nitro

but the stock is different

[earnest jungle]

They're muskets, the fact that they used a modified mosin model to make the musket model doesn't mean they're not muskets.

[cold badger]

honestly it's just an oversight by the devs

that doesn't have lore implications

[little lake]

these are also different models than these ones, seems like

weird stuff tbh

[cold badger]

although it is really weird that they would leave the forts fully armed

[little lake]

well

guns aren't exactly cheap to restore

and these are (in context) also deprecated weapons

[cold badger]

okay but the lore is that the forts were abandoned in 1877

it's just set dressing

[little lake]

yeah, speaking from experience though; abandoned places have a lot of shit left behind.

I worked up north once, and an old hunting lodge camp place had practically the full building full of stuff. personal belongings included

abandoned for a near decade. so

full weapon racks is reasonable

[cold badger]

abandoning a privately owned hunting lodge is different than a gradual withdrawal of federal troops and government property

it doesn't need to be explained

it's just an oversight by map designers.

[little lake]

Well, again.

Personal belongings.

which had been left for a good decade.

there's literal bunkers all across the world full of military supplies

just

left behind

it's a thing that literally happens

the brass say 'no, we don't need these supplies, leave them' 'it will be a crime if you touch any of it.'

[cold badger]

lmao dude you don't have to bend over backwards to explain it

[little lake]

I'm not.

It's literally just basic real world stuff that happens.

[cold badger]

basic real world stuff when an eastern bloc country completely collapses and the military gets completely restructured

the U.S. Army didn't disappear in 1877.

it was a planned withdrawal

[little lake]

There are places in the united states like that.

currently

it's not an oversight.

[cold badger]

however, it's a military fort, and the level designers thought it would look cool to have racks of rifles everywhere

[little lake]

even if it was an oversight, it's not the real world

[cold badger]

i mean you just compared it to real world tho

i'm saying it's just set dressing for the game

with no deeper implications

and also they're mosins

[little lake]

Allllrighty then.

[earnest jungle]

They’re not Mosin’s they’re clearly muskets.

Fort Carmick, Wolfshead Arsenel, and Maw Battery were deserted after the withdrawal from the south and left derelict.

[junior pecan]

Rex he literally said it was remodeled to look less like a mosin and you retorted

Its definitely supposed to be a musket, and its definitely a modified 3d model of a mosin, can we all agree on that?

[icy brook]

I didn’t even know those prop models were in the game

But they definitely are the mosin model

I have a sneaking suspicion of the trapdoor was modeled when Lawson came out we would have seen them instead

[cold badger]

yeah that's my point exactly

i'm just stating a fact

[sick glade]

Yo so what is the whole background behind the game

Like why is everything all gunked

[digital hound]

The maps are quarantined zones and they've been untouched since the end of the civil war more or less, with some exceptions like Fort Carmick that was still staffed untill some time later for some reason (you can read about this on letters against bunk beds at Fort Carmick, Wolfshed Arsenal)

[trim parcel]

are they interactable?

[digital hound]

No, just high detail letters pinned to bunk beds at these locations

[trim parcel]

interesting

is there like a place where it is all compiled?

[digital hound]

No but I found a video on it

Give me a second

It's this video here

[trim parcel]

Tanks dude

[digital hound]

No problem

[sick glade]

so what is the whole infection?

and why do hunters kill each other?

[amber harbor]

1. supernatural influence of a being from a parallel world, a spirit world if you will

2. same reasons the players fight each other : greed, rush of adrenaline, getting to be the one who takes the bounty home etc

they were all part of the American Hunters Association, a loosely structured organisation but a starting point none the less. Following the assasination of their leader it broke into factions that now fight amongst each other as well

[sick glade]

Oh coolio

[hallow kraken]

Will those factions ever come into gameplay somehow? Like you can join them for some kind of benefit?

[earnest jungle]

I suspect the Hunter customization teased in the road map is related to that.

[sick glade]

what are some of the factions

[brave hemlock]

The Bone Doctor has one group, the Reverend another, Sheriff Hardins convicts, The Night Seers cult and probably more I am forgetting

Huff, the AHA director had one of course but he was murdered.

[junior pecan]

Jason Trevors and Lynch holdouts

Though the latter likely fractured themselves

[brave hemlock]

Jason Trevors is the gunrunner, right?

[grizzled fractal]

yes

[cobalt socket]

What is concertina lore?

[rotund ferry]

Here's the entry of the concertina bomb from the Book of Weapons: https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Tactical_Gadgets#Book_of_Weapons_2

[cobalt socket]

thank

[rotund ferry]

Really hoping Hardins Chain gang becomes real

as in an in game thing rather than reserved for lore

Really loved the nagant revolver lore

[icy brook]

I’d also like to see some more insight into the Reverend’s band

[rotund ferry]

factions would be an awesome addition to the game actually

[little lake]

A change to the worldstate - similar-ish to how scrapbeak's idols and stuff are canonically showing up - would be really neat, too. to see how things are progressing

[thorn panther]

I'd like to see more skins from there as well, especially a Mosin obrez mace skin with a fist at the end, something like hand of judgement for the name. And a holy person dlc to introduce it.

[haughty totem]

So I've been delving into a big chunk of the hidden lore from the website and from the YouTube videos, I know there's lore in the game as well. Is there any recommended stops or things to check out while playing? I just dig the weird lore drops.

[eternal crystal]

Check the pinned post top right(It needs some cleaning but there is good info there)

[haughty totem]

thank you!

[signal meadow]

snip

[heavy cypress]

This is the first game which lore I really LOVE 🙂

it is fantastic

[rustic hearth]

Agreed

[earnest jungle]

So one thing that’s always aroused my curiosity is: Why does Stillwater Bayou have a Crematorium? Cremation was only just starting to arrive in the US in the 1880s and 90s. But Pitching Crematorium looks old enough to have fallen into disrepair. Is there any lore behind Pitching Crematorium and why Stillwater Bayou had a Crematorium?

[icy brook]

Perhaps it was an older building retrofitted to be a crematorium

That was my head canon to explain the mine cars and rails

[fierce sinew]

Lore for blanchett says the area had a problem with floods causing bodies to float back up, so they started using stone crypts. But stone crypts would be expensive, and presumably once everything started going to hell there'd be more bodies than could be reasonably buried in crypts anyway.

I think a crematorium as the cheap alternative to the crypts, as a consequence of the flooding, makes sense.

[flat hornet]

Ich wollte fragen ob jemand an einer Umfrage Teilnehmen möchte.
Die Datei images in die Umfrage Datei Ordner unter res.data.images einfügen. Am Ende zurückgehen(auf res) und die html Datei öffnen.

Vorher aber alles entpacken

[grizzled meadow]

So what makes the hunter special like why do they have dark sight and not succumb to the plague and how are they so tough to kill

[fierce sinew]

They're inoculated with a serum seemingly made from demon blood.

[sharp crescent]

Oh very cool

Also what’s with the spike rock that gives you traits, is it explained or is it just like spooky rock don’t think about it?

[grizzled meadow]

So the hunters kill demons to make a serum.from their blood to go and kill other monsters

[fierce sinew]

Seems like specific demons are the ones used for making the serum, and only certain people have the know how to do it since it involves specifically summoning the demon, rather than the monsters in the game that come around all on their own. There's a lore entry about someone doing the ritual but I can't remember which one it is.

[junior pecan]

Pax through pax claw

[little lake]

If you mean the traits that drop in game? They seem like totems which, similar to clues and such, you go through some form of ritualistic motions/praying and gain a trait for doing so

[versed mural]

Here's a question I'm not sure there's an answer to. I haven't unlocked all the entries yet but is the sculptor a physical being or is it purely intangible?

Also is there a lore description of what the bounties left from the banished bosses actually are?

[amber harbor]

its intangible, on another plane of existence, but he might have a physical manifestation, we dont know for sure

and the bounties are organs of the bosses, as said in the old lore , so idk if its still canon

@versed mural

[molten forge]

Does anyone have the last scrapbeak entry?

[tall lava]

I'm on page 2

[molten forge]

Mastery 4 is in the channel quite a bit up.

[rustic hearth]

Same

[rotund ferry]

16 more scrapbeaks for my third page

[lost magnet]

Lorebook doesnt recent on prestiege right

[fierce sinew]

Only sort of. All mastery progress stays, but you can't look at them unless you've unlocked the weapon/encountered the enemy.

[lost magnet]

So I keep my progress on grunts but can’t look at them again until I kill 1

[fierce sinew]

Yeah.

It's kind of annoying tbh cause on a fresh prestige it always puts those plus signs next to all of it.

[trim parcel]

I wish you could just rightclick mark as read

[lost magnet]

i wish u just kept the books unchanged for prestiege?

[fierce sinew]

I wish prestiging wasn't such a hassle in every way, the lore thing is only part of it. We should at least be able to look at the entries, even if we haven't unlocked the weapon yet.

[ashen prairie]

i have a lore question that needs answering...

[lost magnet]

sure

the world may never know.

[molten forge]

"More than one pawn at play" Does it allure to the son or perhaps another entity?

[wary jackal]

em how did the monsters and other sit came to the universe of hunt ?

like how all of that begun ?

[earnest jungle]

We don’t know

We know that the entity responsible for this is called the Sculptor, and they come from a dimension parallel to our own.

However how and why they are here wd do not know.

[junior pecan]

I mean technically speaking theyre not from the parallel, theyre corrupted by the influence

[earnest jungle]

Seeing as we’re “banishing” demons that implies were sending something somewhere else.

Which also implies that what we’re banishing originally came from that somewhere else

[junior pecan]

Bunny? Meatheads? Immolators?

Hives?

All originating in our reality

[earnest jungle]

But the bosses are more than corrupted clay

[junior pecan]

Yes but you made a hasty generalization of all the AI

Most of them are native and do not (as far as we know) travel through the parallel before their biomass returns to earth

And sending something somewhere else does not imply it originates there, thats false equivalence

Even if nomenclature would lean in that direction

[tardy spear]

From what I understood after reading the wiki, some kind of Demon called the sculptor is corrupting things into minions it can use to do something. It has a heavy insect theme as well.

Butcher was a monster that was resurrected through clay/taxidermy
Spider is created from mass graves
Assassin was around before the plague but only kind of?
Scrapbeak was likely made in some kind of ritual gone wrong

[lost magnet]

its not really said to be a demon

if youve played Dead by Daylight

its probably more similar to the Entity

more like a shapeless god like creature

[sullen torrent]

Now the real question is, with the meathead do they come out with the leeches on birth ooor is it a puberty type thing?

[pastel bramble]

They buy them at sears

Realtalk I have a question though: beyond the obvious answer of "the game was made in Germany so they used the models they had easy access to", is there a reason why the AHA stocks so many European firearms despite the game being based in the South U.S?

[lost magnet]

I imagine it more like a period thing

so yeah puberty

female body prepares to make eggs

meathead prepares to make leeches

[sullen torrent]

Crytek we need confirmation!

[earnest jungle]

Yes: Huff and the AHA have managed to alienate both the Winfield and Caldwell companies from their cause. We suspect that Winfield was alienated by Huff’s decision to employ Felis who may very well have killed his adopted son Red, and Caldwell was alienated for unknown reasons. But felt strongly enough to wipe out Huff and Finch’s army.

[pastel bramble]

Ahhhh I see, so basically the AHA buys a lot of imported European guns because the big U.S companies literally won't sell to them? damn, I need to brush up on the lore

[earnest jungle]

Certainly won’t sell their most recent guns

[pastel bramble]

so they're stuck with the old contract arms and can only get "modern" weapons abroad

[earnest jungle]

Seems to be

[pastel bramble]

interesting

[earnest jungle]

The Carcass Gunrunner appears to be their main supplier

[pastel bramble]

I suppose that's the in-universe reason as to why they don't clean their damn guns before selling them?

[junior owl]

I think they just loot the guns from the battlefield that's why they get dirty if you die

[pastel bramble]

I just always found it strange that Hunters are expected to pay cash money for weapons that still have literal dirt and mud on them.

I can get behind the idea of the AHA sending out salvage parties to pull weapons from dead hunters and selling them back to whichever unlucky saps they hire on as replacements, so it makes sense the guns are all dinged up and rusty, but having literal mud caked onto them is still a bit much imo

[lost magnet]

I think times are desperate

"recycling" is definite a possibility, if not a guarantee

[tardy spear]

Isn't the AHA all but falling apart at this point?

[lost magnet]

probably

what money is to be made?

[tardy spear]

I don't think it's lack of funds, it seemed to be their loose power structure and bad recruiting finally biting them in the ass.

They inducted a bunch of criminals and lowlifes who had no other option, there was nothing central to guide them, all their best and most respected hunters either disappeared, gave birth to actual monsters and died, or went nuts and died.

So the current AHA is a bunch of barely-trained dudes trying desperately to figure out what the hell the last guys knew while the organization as a whole slides deeper and deeper into obscurity.

[lost palm]

why are there female hunters when it's been established in-universe that female hunters cause more monstrosities to be born a la roadside picnic?

[fierce sinew]

They added a sterilization agent to the inoculation all hunters get.

[lost palm]

thanks

[fierce sinew]

I think it's in the meathead lore.

[tardy spear]

It is! It also implies that whatever the serum they use that gives us the powers we have is, it's not kosher.

Because the demon baby gets its power from the goo and in turn gives that power to its mother. Up until it, you know, eats her.

[pastel bramble]

AHA is just proto umbrella corp at this point, sending out shifty individuals to clean up its own messes

[tardy spear]

Is the Louisiana Incident the AHA's mess though? They uh...definitely haven't done super well at dealing with it, but they didn't start it.

Then again injecting your employees with mystery goo and birthing demon babies is the MO of Umbrella so I can dig it.

[junior owl]

So how should they even win at this point, I mean know theres no real hope not a good start for a video game

[tardy spear]

If the AHA can figure out what/who/where/when the Sculptor is we can cut the infection out at the source.

Right now we're basically on containment duty, trying to find more information on how the infection/corruption works so we can backtrace it.

Because as Scrapbeak shows, this wack-ass bullshit is just gonna keep evolving.

[wind echo]

the more the AHA screws up, the more maps we get

[tardy spear]

Listen, the more we slack off now the more we get paid to clean it all up later

It's just a sound business strategem.

[sweet peak]

hi! my friends running a dnd game and wants some info so he can get some insperation, can someone please give a summary of the AHA and how the do their hunting and stuff?

[tardy spear]

There isn't much in terms of hard details, but essentially:
Something spooky happens
The AHA sets up bounties for the spooky things
Hunters are inducted (through the use of mystery goo that gives us powers)
Hunters kill the thing, turn in the bounty, get paid.

It's mentioned in a couple of lore pieces that that AHA is decentralized and has no official power structure. Some of the Legendaries that showed up said that it was so disorganized it was a disgrace, and the "fall" of the AHA implies that once the veterans were either dead or missing there was very little for the new hunters to fall back on.

It's also implied that becoming a hunter is a big commitment, like "changes you forever and your old life is gone" commitment. But at the same time one of the legendary hunters is doing it on the promise that he'll be given a homestead out west so uh...who knows.

Hunters and how they're inducted is also tricky. Some of the hunters are well-known gunslingers, lawmen and occultists. Others are essentially outlaws deputized en-mass out of desperation.

[amber harbor]

Getting demon blood vaccine gives you dark sight and all that stuff but it also takes something away. You can see it on T3 hunters, their arms are blackened by prolonged use of ds and work in their field. Could make for a good progression system, a slow decay as you use your powers @sweet peak

[tardy spear]

Could just be worked into the reason that you can only use DS so many times before a long rest.

[amber harbor]

And you can use it x extra times but at a health cost or something else

[grizzled fractal]

Scrapbeak page 5

[tardy spear]

Neat

[sweet peak]

thanks for the lore guys!

[grizzled fractal]

that mastery didnt take as long as i thought it would

[small breach]

YOU SIR! deserve a medal! much much ty

[main kayak]

Dunno why but I so feel as this game really needs some rats. I just dunno why but rats man... Like, one of the perfect plague carriers and yet they are missing from this game. It would fit so much, feasting on corpses and such, also possible sound traps in houses for when camping inside for too long. Could be cool. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Dunno if it has to do with anything lore specific buy think it would make sense to get incorporated.

[signal solstice]

gators when

it's the friggin bayou

[main kayak]

The spaghetti monster eat them all I guess. xD

[signal solstice]

😔

[earnest jungle]

Neither Avis Sr nor Avis Jr appear to be all put together upstairs

[wind echo]

Some gator populations survived. Says so in the waterdevil pages.

[kind sedge]

@main kayak rats would be a great indoor sound trap. There really isnt a good diversity in indoor sound traps in my opinion. Especially when outdoor sound traps are so varied. Might also be cool if they could negatively affect nearby downed hunters

[main kayak]

Yeh. Absolutely agree

[grizzled fractal]

a lot of failed clean sweeps for sure

[hallow kraken]

Or maybe they would act like crows but inside, and squeal and scurry around when startled

[icy brook]

Are the Teddy Roosevelt references still canon or are they cast into the same void as the old lore?

[tardy spear]

They're plague carriers but the Sculptor uses insects. Like it's to the point where the Spider being an arachnid and not an insect was a huge debate within the AHA. Rats wouldn't fit.

[kind sedge]

@tardy spear But then we've got ostensibly plagued birds, and leeches, so obviously the work of the sculpter isnt insect exclusive

[tardy spear]

Are the birds plagued? I thought they were just an aspect of Scrapbeak, not plague carriers themselves.

Because all the vectors of the plague are insects. Everybody who gets infected gets infected from flies or maggots.

[kind sedge]

true, but the rats wouldnt have to be plague carriers either I suppose

and I dont know about the birds. can anyone confirm if we have any references to the birds being plague carriers?

[stoic turtle]

So scrapbeak had a son?

Goddamn, scrapbeak is the only boss I feel bad for, him and the spider

[earnest jungle]

Scrapbeak has canonically known a woman biblically

[grizzled fractal]

yeah its pretty odd

[nocturne dome]

I'm pretty sure it's just about filth

So crows, bugs, leaches, etc

[nocturne dome]

Actually in the lore the gators are still around

[deep quest]

is there anywhere i can find canon in depth lore?

[nocturne dome]

@deep quest check the pinned messages or go into the books in the game

I forgot what it's called

[tardy spear]

Yeah, his son killing his birds is what broke him and presumably let the Sculptor corrupt him into Scrapbeak.

[tall lava]

Could plague doctor be scrapbeak's son? In the trailer it looks like plague doctor is operating on him, and the end of the page 5 sounds like the son has done something more to his father

I might be misunderstanding it though

[nocturne dome]

The plague doctor was the one who saved scrapbeak during the civil war

His son didn't love his father I think

Also I don't think the son was around during the civil war

[stoic turtle]

That’s just sad man 😦

[stoic turtle]

Okay fellas

Hear me out

[hallow kraken]

Anyone know where the trailer that shows the civil war dude is?

[random lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3B4qZZnzr8

[burnt bolt]

Who makes (in yalls opinion) the best lore videos? I wanted to watch some lore vids but couldn't find any I particularly loved.

[pallid cape]

OUT 👉

[stoic turtle]

Is it not a flawless theory?

[tardy spear]

Sculptor lookin' a little sus ngl

[tall cloud]

Honestly how would the AHA even hope to undo the Sculptor's work? The researcher can't science his way out of a spiteful interdimensional being

[rotund ferry]

I think it's more about containment. The Sculptor has been around for ages.

[valid dove]

Tell me more, ive never heard of that before and I’m interested

[icy brook]

Maybe it was a fever dream i though I recalled some TR discussion when the game was still in EA

[junior pecan]

Been around but not been present

[junior pecan]

I also have subliminal memories of this

[tardy spear]

Didn't the Sculptor manifest once and absolutely annihilated the AHA?

[junior pecan]

Old lore said something about finding and killing the heart of its corruption but who knows if thats even canon now

[junior pecan]

Not that Im aware of

And i should probably be aware of it

[tardy spear]

It was in the ammo lore I thought. Something about how the last time the Sculptor showed up they got absolutely wrecked, and it contributed directly to the AHA's fall.

[junior pecan]

That was in reference to the present event and how its going to shit

[earnest jungle]

There were never any Roosevelt references it was just speculation because Sheriff Hardin resembled a young teddy.

[junior pecan]

I thought you could literally find out who he was if you googled the name

Some outlaw, switched his name and became a sheriff irl of the same name, had a mustache iirc

Irl he was hanged before 95,

But in game its an argentinian (undisclosed german name) scenario

[tardy spear]

Ah, when I read it it seemed more like a "we had one chance and we blew it."

[junior pecan]

It was sort of that, but the ammo lore is written beyond 95, sometime closer to the present

Who knows why the writer sounds so reverent of the louvent though

[icy brook]

Like I said I’m pretty sure any reference was tied to the old lore, I mean he could be tangentially related to the New York incident given TR became the president of the NY police commissioners

[earnest jungle]

You’re thinking of John Wesley Hardin and you’re conflating him with Wild Bill Longley

[junior pecan]

Probably

[tardy spear]

It always throws me off the time jumps in the lore, and that some of it is written after the game's period.

[junior pecan]

Yup, and its never quite clear about it

[earnest jungle]

JW Hardin was shot in the back of the head in El Paso Texas while playing dice. Bill Longley was a murderer was the Texas outlaw who was hanged.

[junior pecan]

I think one of their names was in the casefile

[earnest jungle]

Hardin was

A newspaper reporting his murder was in the case file

[tardy spear]

Is Bill the dude that's referenced in the Assassin lore?

[junior pecan]

Vincent

And harold black

But assman is vincent something italian

[tardy spear]

Vince is the assassin, Black is the narrator, but is Bill the guy that was being hung when Vince and Black first "met?"

[junior pecan]

No it was a group of foreigners being tried for a murder presumably committed by vincent

Vincent was upset at the mistrial

But couldnt intervene easily

[tardy spear]

Makes sense. I've read the monster book entries, the gun entries and the ammo entries, but I know there's a bunch of other stuff that I'm missing because it's buried in blog posts and other things outside the game.

[junior pecan]

Ditto

I still have no idea what those Christmas posts were talking about

Made zero sense to me and i never finished reading em

[tardy spear]

Oooo, do you have a link on hand?

[junior pecan]

Just check the official website

Go through news till december

[tardy spear]

Adventures of Timothy Stone?

So this guy killed hunters and sold their identities to people looking to make a new life (or the other way around?). He runs into a Hunter he was absolutely sure he killed before, and it turns out she was betrayed by another hunter while trying to make a new organization in New York. Whatever ritual is used to make hunters immune can infect them if done improperly, and they were given false instructions. This was before the fall because the Asylum is still active. He pretends that he's going to help her by linking her to his immunity through the bloodline, then concertina bombs her and scoops her head clean off.

[junior pecan]

Ok this brings up some questions
Why would someone buy a hunter’s identity, they’re not very reputable people
What is this other hunter infected with and why does it make her not dead
What the hell is going on with the second event in new york

[tardy spear]

The Hunters have no friends, no family and no connections.
They were infected with the corruption through bad innoculation. She was slowly turning into a grunt, which is why she survived a gunshot to the neck.
There's a bunch of hunters in New York rapidly turning into plague zombies

Zombie Woman's father was also apparently a Hunter of some repute, but they very specifically don't mention her last name.

[junior pecan]

Hm, ill never understand why the writers keep creating more threads and pulling none of them.

[junior pecan]

She’s probably john’s girl

Apt they wouldn’t say her last name

Actually, was it john?

[tardy spear]

I dunno, all it says was that he was murdered by other hunters before the whole Schism.

Or at least she thinks he was murdered by other hunters.

[junior pecan]

Yeah john hunter, i cant find his entry in the case files post, he might be way back on the website ill look around

He gets shot in the nagant silencer mastery

[tardy spear]

Huh, maybe. It could be a hint that there'll be some kind of action in New York but really it just seems like some worldbuilding. More evidence that the Hunters were full of corruption (like, old-fashioned corruption not Scluptor demon corruption) even before shit went really sideways.

[junior pecan]

Scratch that, her last name is evans

[tardy spear]

No it isn't:

I ignored the accusation. “Your Father? Your name isn't Nora Evans."


"Don't be stupid, Mr. Stone. Of course it's not. I haven't been Nora Evans since before my first marriage."

[glacial schooner]

Are there any other alternate history changes that don’t relate to the hunters

For example. Did the civil war still happen as it did in real life

Do we know if the borders of the states look the same? Is the federal government similar

I’m thinking of making a video about Hunt’s real life history

[junior pecan]

Since before my first marriage implies it was her maiden name. Women change their last names upon marriage in some cultures

[junior pecan]

Its a cryptic-reality. It’s a plausibly deniable alternate reality. All of this stuff could very well have happened, therefore it isnt any canon divergence

[glacial schooner]

awesome. Thank you!

[tardy spear]

Yeah the newspaper clippings and everything else imply that history has gone exactly as expected, and the Louisiana incident was seen as just a weird plague that hit a small portion of the bayou. The Hunters have been working for centuries to make sure this kind of shit doesn't get noticed.

Also huh, I guess it could mean that too. I read it as "I've been using a fake name since before I was married" but on another read I see what you mean.

[glacial schooner]

Also, you guys are talking about... a short story? Something about Timothy Stone? There's so much lore in this game but it's (delightfully) unapproachable. And it's not covered in the wiki or anything lol

[tardy spear]

The wiki actually does cover it. There's a link on the lore page.

But you have to find the Lore page and then find the links to it inside the giant list of links.

[earnest jungle]

No it was a group of 11 Italian Immigrants accused of killing the New Orleans Police Chief. This was an actual historical lynching and was perpetrated by White businessmen trying to eliminate their competition.

It was Huff.

The girl was Huff’s daughter

[tardy spear]

Wait, the Police Chief was Huff or was Huff one of the guys who got lynched? Because Huff was an MD, not a police chief.

[earnest jungle]

I thought it said Nora Evan’s father was Huff but I could be mistaken.

She says she plans to take over her deceased father’s business so I think she is Huff’s daughter

She was an Ally of Trevors however as he almost strangled Stone to death

The murdered police Chief was David C. Hennessy.

At the time many believed Hennessy was murdered by the Italian Mafia. However some modern historians believe his assassination to be too amateurish to be a mafia hit.

[tardy spear]

Huh, neat. I don't think Nora is Huff's daughter though. She died before Huff did, because the Asylum was still operating. Near as I can tell the Asylum burned at the same time Huff was assassinated.

The only Hunter I can think of who's confirmed to even have a daughter is John Hunter.

[junior pecan]

Evans was the guy stone was working with who incidentally died, nora suspects stone killed him in the same manner as the gig they were running

What does bornheim match say about the assasin actually, i just remembered that

Fuck all, apparently

Just a news report of it

[restive zodiac]

Did anyone else see that in the Scrapbeak trailer the one giving him his leg is the Plague Doctor?

[junior pecan]

Yes, it has been mentioned frequently

[restive zodiac]

Okie

[jagged pilot]

what is "venate" meaning in the book of monsters grunt section? "The circulatory system now seems venated." i'm translating it in my language and really don't know what it means

please mention me if you can answer me :/

[junior pecan]

He is saying the placement of the veins ins different

Resembling structures found in insects

[jagged pilot]

thx 🙂

[rustic hearth]

Civil war definitely happened, we have civil war hunters + scrapbeaks backstory. And as far as I can tell everything else is pretty much the same

[signal notch]

People say that tier 3 hunters have skin discoloration but the only things ive seen are tattoos of jesters and other stuff, is that the discoloration or are there other examples

[rotund ferry]

Pretty sure there's more than one hunter model that has Vitiligo.

[stoic turtle]

Why does Weird Sisters’ fingers look like they’re gonna fall off at any given moment?

[glad fog]

fellas, are the Twins in game?

[amber harbor]

no, and since the black coat is alive, they should be kids in game time

[glad fog]

Got it, I thought legendary hunters were non canon

like their status in lore didnt reflect whether they were in game or not. Not saying that because someone is a legendary they aren't canon to lore.

[faint cape]

so who is alison davis?

ah let me check the pin first

ok didnt see them on the list

[tardy spear]

Wasn't that the hunter that was helping Fin for a while?

[faint cape]

i have no clue

im super new to the lore

[junior pecan]

Fin’s GF while Jos is out turning into a snake person. She might be missing a limb, reading the lore on her is confusing as I was under the impression that Fin also lost a limb so it’s difficult to make sense of

Never explicitly says it but they probably bang

[faint cape]

oh

lmfao

understood

[junior pecan]

Yeah theres quite a bit of out of place stuff like that, i think its supposed to emphasize how poor of a writer Collins is,

[faint cape]

i see

honestly i didnt know how much there was to the lore

im excited to learn more

[fallow gorge]

Isn't black coat currently dead?

[junior pecan]

Technically theyre all currently dead

But yeah i see what you mean and yes

[rotund ferry]

The fact that an alligator enemy would go against the lore make me sad : (

[wind echo]

Some alligator populations survived. Says so in the water devil logs.

[rotund ferry]

😳

gator boss time

[stoic turtle]

Was black coat an old ass man when he died to the Twins?

Also, how was black coat as like, a dad?

Was he just not present?

Did he even function as a dad for the twins?

[fierce sinew]

Not present.

Basically fucked off and came back to kill their adoptive/actual father figure.

Also I'm pretty we can't base much lore on who/what skins are present in the game, in terms of the timeline.

[stoic turtle]

why????

Headcanon: Black Coat has a redemption arc

[fierce sinew]

Honestly the way he's acting in the story seems weird as hell so there's probably something going on.

It seems like the twins are necessary for Lynch's plans so maybe she was involved earlier than when she met them.

[stoic turtle]

Doesn’t like, nobody know who the fuck Black Coat actually is except Lynch

[junior pecan]

Because 89% of the characters in hunt are sadistic

[south marsh]

Anybody have any idea who RN is?

[radiant tangle]

Bro a mutated gator boss looking thing would be cool

[tardy spear]

I always kind of assumed that Durant came back at the behest of Lynch, in order to destroy the Twins' attachments and make them easier to manipulate.

[amber harbor]

Researchers notes I think

[stoic turtle]

How about the other 11 percent

[tardy spear]

Dead

[icy brook]

Poor folk trying to get rich quick, like most of the T1 hunters, or at least that’s my conception

[tardy spear]

Or prisoners pressed into service, young idiots looking for adventure, or someone who didn't realize the job description.

[junior pecan]

Alison, Harold Black, victor/voekol, and others like that. Few of them exhibit actual altruism, but they’re mostly in the pursuit of it

[junior pecan]

Thats not lynch’s guy is it?

No, that’s R Ramsey im thinking of

[rotund ferry]

Hey question who is scrapbeck

I’m trying to figure out the lore on it

All I know he was a vet and the plague doctor took his legs that’s all

[earnest jungle]

Scrapbeak was a Veteran of the American Civil War named Avis Wyndham Sr.

During the war and reconstruction he lost his left arm and leg and sometime after the war lost his right leg. At least according to his sin Avis Jr.

Avis was deeply traumatized by the war leaving him haunted and emotionally haunted.

He and his son worked as rag-and-bone men. Scrap dealers collecting and refurbishing garbage to sell to merchants.

Avis Sr is implied to have been abusive. His son clearly resented his father and the affection he showed to his bird but didn’t show to either him or his mother.

After a fight with his father Avis Jr killed his father’s birds and that proved to be the final crack that shatter Avis.

After returning home Avis Sr transformed into the Scrapbeak in the presence of his son and his son’s mother.

It isn’t clear what exactly happened but Avis says “Daddy cracked, and brought the Devil right into our home. Into me. And so I brought the Devil back into him. A lot of people mistake quiet for peaceful. Dad made that mistake. He ain’t quiet now, is he, big mouth like that, no he sure ain’t quite now.”

What exactly this last paragraph means isn’t clear.

Avis Jr though clearly is not telling us the full truth.

He’s lied in these passages. He claims to have known the men who he’s alleged to have killed but when recounting what happened to his father he makes it seem like he never met them.

I suspect that Avis Jr may somehow have been the one who gave the Scrapbeak his beak

[rotund ferry]

That’s a lot of lore

Kinda makes me sad to hunt scrap beak

Because he’s been through a lot

Also is the assassin like have sad lore also

[white pasture]

He is in agony, killing him and stealing his stuff is a mercy

[rotund ferry]

Yes it is

[earnest jungle]

All of the bosses have sad lore

[rotund ferry]

He’s been though a lot

The spider was a little girl

[white pasture]

A bunch of people

[rotund ferry]

The butcher ya

I don’t feel bad hunting it

It scares me to death

[white pasture]

I weep every time I fire my weapon

[rotund ferry]

But we have to do it

[white pasture]

Barely summon the courage to kill the bird totems

[rotund ferry]

But scrap beak is one of the saddest bosses I have to kill

A soldier turned mad with agony and pain

Don’t know the lore about the others

Other the scrap beak being one of the saddest lores I heard

[earnest jungle]

The Butcher was the creation of Ariel D’aunoy. During the outbreak he was chased from his home by his neighbors. While living in the slaughterhouse he found and taxidermied the body of a meathead. Which then came to life and killed him.

[rotund ferry]

Wow

Like other meatheads this one can see

[earnest jungle]

His intolerant neighbors thought him an agent of the devil and blamed him for outbreak of the “flu” when they discovered how Taxidermy worked.

[rotund ferry]

Wow

[earnest jungle]

The Spider is in my opinion the most tragic.

[rotund ferry]

Sad

[earnest jungle]

Dr Reed was a physician who was trapped in the bayou with a group of other survivors when the outbreak began. He gradually succumbed to the infection and became a grunt or possibly something else.

He killed and cannibalized his other survivors before disappearing without a trace.

The remains were found by John Victor/Voelkel he buried them in mass pit grave and beneath the earth they were twisted into the Spider.

The Assassin’s past is mysterious. Near as we can tell he’s been around for a while a LONG while.

At the very least the Assassin has been around since 1891 perhaps longer. His first confirmed sighting was at the mass Lynching of eleven Italian American Immigrants in 1891 four years before the Louisiana Event began.

[rotund ferry]

Wa it human

[earnest jungle]

Yep Vincent Orsica

He appeared highly agitated at the lynching and almost killed Black.

As early as 1891 he possessed the abilities to climb sheer cliffs, escape into clouds of beetles, throw blades, and multiply into different bodies.

Black’s account of the Assassin is more an account of his own origin story than that of the Assassin. But there are some subtle clues.

The Assassin’s presence and agitation at the Lynching as well as his Italian origin may point towards the Assassin being the one who killed Police Chief Hennessy.

As well as the Assassination of Lieutenant Governor Lott

Though Hirram Lott died June of 1895 and the Outbreak began in Summer of 1895.

This could mean one of two things:
• The Assassin is an independent contractor who has been recruited/expressed by the Sculptor
• The Sculptor is a lot older than we suspect and the Louisiana incident has been a long time coming.
• The Sculptor has been around for a long time and the Louisiana event is only one of many attempts to invade our world.

[rare steeple]

I've been wondering, is the assassin sentient ?
The butcher and the spider seems to be trying to kill you without really thinking about it, they're just... Creatures.
But in the assassin entries, it seems like he actually blend in with humans, and the ability to throw knives shows that he can use tools. Is he actually still in control and knows what he's doing?

[deep quest]

the assassin’s purpose is to specifically look like and terrorize humans. i don’t think it’s any less of a creature than the butcher or the spider

[rare steeple]

If I'm not mistaken, one of the entries mention him talking and drinking with another human, wich would make him a creature able of thinking and actually knowing what it does and why.
As he was most likely a human before, it might mean that he is in fact still aware and is doing it on purpose. I might miss the last entry and therefore a key element tho

[earnest jungle]

I suspect that both the Assassin and Scrapbeak are more man than monster while the Butcher and Spider are more beast than man.

The Scrapbeak and the Assassin both display greater levels of intelligence than either and both more human in their form. The Butcher was a taxidermy meat head brought to life, while the Spider was a dozen humans tortured to death and buried in a pit grave.

Both the Assassin and Scrapbeak appear to have been living humans transformed into monsters.

Perhaps the difference lays in whether or not you died before you were transformed or not.

[rare steeple]

That make sense.
Scrapbeak hoarding behaviour and the use of tools shows clear human traits, and the assassin entry tells that After a night of drinking, he split up in three and went away, meaning that he is still able to talk and interract with humans (ergo looks like one, or maybe even Switch back to his "normal" human form)

The Key difference being that the spider and butcher Comes from some necromancy like shennanigans while the assassin and scrapbeak transformation occured on living persons.

[stoic turtle]

Wonder if the Assassin is still sentient?

[earnest jungle]

I suspect so

It appears all the bosses are on some level sentient

I’d say the Butcher is the least Sentient, then the Spider, then the Assassin, and then the Scrapbeak

[stoic turtle]

Also, notice how the Assassin prioritizes the weakest target and (idk if I’m just making this up) reforms less and less as he gets more and more wounded

[rare steeple]

I'd Say the assassin is the most sentient.
Scrapbeak is a traumatised man who seems in constant pain, and most likely lost sanity while the assassin act as a scout and blend in to gather information on potential targetd

[stoic turtle]

He also literally has a mask glued to his face because of rapid skin healing thanks to the sculptor’s virus

[night crest]

i still see those little girls eyes in the twisted folds of flesh

[rotund ferry]

Question what was virus

What’s the lore of what it did to people

And animals

[tardy spear]

Spider wasn't a little girl, a little girl is part of the spider. The spider was born out of a mass grave. Something about all of them dying at the same time with the same emotion triggers it.

[rotund ferry]

Who is the sculpter

Also are we technically putting the scrap beak the soldier to rest

[tardy spear]

The Sculptor is a demon(?) that is infesting the swamp through the use of insects. It's changing things to suit its needs, thus the name.

Some kind of witch/deity/thing named Lynch manipulated the AHA into fighting it so that she could steal a weapon from the devil in order to kill it, but things went sideways and now we're barely keeping the thing contained and the AHA is falling apart.

[rotund ferry]

So we are kinda keeping things in check

By hunting the monsters and infected

[rotund ferry]

And making sure it does not spread

[stoic turtle]

And simultaneously fattening our pockets (which is the end goal sorta)

The hunters don’t give a shit if the virus gets to New Orleans

They care that their coffers get filled

(except for a select few like Harold Black)

[rotund ferry]

XD

The elephant rifle

The loudest gun in the game

[stoic turtle]

laughs in avtomat

[rotund ferry]

No like the sights

The pain

But the crown and king auto

Get close good bye

[stoic turtle]

The hunters are either small brain or super fucking cocky by putting shit sights on everything

[rotund ferry]

I got mail by getting a hunter with a elephant rifle

[stoic turtle]

Well then

How did they fare?

[rotund ferry]

Headshot btw

They were using a crown and king auto

I’m a console player

[stoic turtle]

Ohhhhh I thought you meant you got a T3 hunter with the nitro

[rotund ferry]

I did

[stoic turtle]

Like in the roster

Not murdered him

[rotund ferry]

I got the mountain man

Oh no no no

XD

I got lucky btw

[stoic turtle]

The Nitro takes skill, a wee bit of luck, and patience

[rotund ferry]

A lot of patience

[stoic turtle]

It is not the weapon for open fields, even though you literally shoot elephants across open fields 50m away

[rotund ferry]

Funny part is one person was using a sniper

Missed and I rushed with a pistol

[stoic turtle]

That’s just what happens when you make the fatal mistake of taking a weapon like a sniper in a 50m engagement range game 😌

[rotund ferry]

Mhm

[rustic hearth]

Fr tho, whenever i bring a sniper i end up getting in close range engagements but whenever i run dual romero hatchets i end up getting shot at from 100m+ away

[stoic turtle]

Such is life, such is hunt

[earnest jungle]

Not the Devil the Lord of the Dead. At least according to Collins.

[night crest]

What role did the twins play in all this?

[earnest jungle]

They did something

[glacial schooner]

Where does the money come from? What does the AHA do for money? do we know?

[tardy spear]

Considering his symbol is the snake and he rules over what is described as hell, I kind of assumed he was both.

[earnest jungle]

Snakes are not necessarily malevolent in religion and folklore

In Haitian Vodou snakes are associated with Damballa the white sky snake and the creator of all life.

In ancient Mesopotamia snakes were associated with immortality because of their ability to shed their skins.

Likewise Snakes in Collins account of the Louisiana Events cary positive associations

They are still carry Chthonic associations but only in the Abrahamic Faiths is the underworld an inherently malevolent and unpleasant place

[lost magnet]

not rly lore but while reading the spider lore about 2/3 down the very first paragraph there isnt a space between the period and the T in "The Spider"? Am I crazy?

[rotund ferry]

You're right

[runic quail]

does anyone know what does that say on the braclet?

[lyric arrow]

@runic quail Its something in voynich, which is the writing used on nany kegendary skins

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401019644938289153/814402294819979284/voynich.png

[fresh hemlock]

Hey since we're on the the topic of Legendaries, does anyone know what the presumably Arabic writing above the extraction of the Martini deadeye "Sacrosanct" says? it appears to be written under a picture of a mosque & the item description mentions that the gun is "hallowed"

[tired geode]

Don't know much about the lore of the game, but from what I've read so far, it's pretty interesting. Has there been any talk about like a single player mode that delves more into the lore/backstory?

[junior pecan]

Get a better angle and i can translate it

Also, screenshot it better, the image you posted is reversed, kinda difficult to transcribe that

[junior pecan]

Thats what trials is

[tired geode]

eh not really what i meant. I don't really care too much if it's singleplayer, I mean more a mode where we can see/play through the overarching story of hunt.

I mean I get that we can piece it together from notes and other clues, but I was wondering if the devs were planning on doing anything big story wise.

[junior pecan]

Highly unlikely they’ll ever do anything bigger

[neat quartz]

one braclet to control them all

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-ring-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-17351059

[spice wyvern]

Do you think we’ll get to see who Anna Burton was? In the Prodigal Daughter bio it said Sarah Burton’s only inheritance were stories of her mother’s heroism as a spy in the civil war. It never stated the mothers name, but the name Anna is written on the sparks you get with the DLC so I’m assuming that’s her mother’s name.

[rare garden]

Another question about the reckoning

Why is the archeologists name on one of the bullets

[lost magnet]

^ I assume it isn't just coincidence

[fallow gorge]

Each bullet is meant for each person who she believes is responsible/involved in her mother's death

[lost magnet]

yeah that's the question, what did she do?

[rare garden]

Exactly. So what did the archeologist do?

[icy brook]

That is known only to the devs, unless we missed something along the way

[earnest jungle]

All we really know about the Archaeologist is she’s a Hopi Scholar who had a vision of Lynch, the Twins, and the teche snake.

Reading through the ammo lore I think we have at least one answer to the question of why the Louisiana Incident was such a disaster: Huff was a brilliant doctor and scientists but he wasn’t a brilliant administrator.

He did not take the early aggressive action necessary to contain the outbreak but instead allowed the dead zone to fester while he, Finch, and Lynch focused on their experiments.

The effort to oppose the outbreak was decentralized snd chaotic. As John Voelkel’s interview indicates and the researcher’s notes indicate many hunters lacked access to even basic information on the monsters they were hunting.

However I am now beginning to question who exactly it was that killed Huff. Collins seemed to believe Lynch was responsible for killing Huff but Collins had a habit of stretching the truth.

He made a career on Embellishment and exaggeration. The best way I’d describe his writings are Turth+

There’s truth to his accounts + embellishments to make for a better story or to convey non-literal truths that could not be conveyed by a blunt literalism.

And He most certainly did not trust Lynch and suspected her of foul play. What I wouldn’t give to here the story of the Summer of 1895 from The Irish Woman herself.

I think I’m going to draw up an alliance web of the AHA this werkend

[glacial schooner]

What month is it?

It's 1896 right?

[glacial schooner]

Pleas @ me if you do

[fierce sinew]

I feel like the prodigal daughter could be another of those lynch manipulation situations. 2 of the names listed for revenge being people seemingly opposed to lynch or at least in her way, and the last sentence of the prodigal daughter description makes me think the revenge is misguided.

[glacial schooner]

I have NO IDEA who all these people are, I wish that this was on the wiki 😦

Like, it feels to me like every single day there's more interesting and juicy pieces of lore people have figured out, but because Discord it just disappears and goes away forever, forgotten excpet for a few people

[earnest jungle]

Lynch also known as the Irish Woman was an Associate of Elwood Finch and Philip Huff Jones. Huff was superintendent of the Asylum at Jackson Louisiana and the head of the AHA and Finch was his number two.

[glacial schooner]

were Lynch and Finch the twins that are sometime mentioned?

[fierce sinew]

No the twins are Jos and Fin.

Other problem is that I've read all the lore now but I can't remember where to find half of it.

[earnest jungle]

Jos and Fin were the daughters of William Durrant the Black Coat.

[glacial schooner]

yeah sa,e

[earnest jungle]

Durant killed their mother after she gave birth to them, and killed their uncle 18 years later. After which they killed him.

[glacial schooner]

Should these be added to the "hunt showdown named charactesr" doc

None of them are in that

damn

it feels like there's no place at all to learn all this

where are you gettig it aside from the book of mosnters and the book of weapons?

is there anything else?

like , people are getting clues from weapon skins? and trials? and also info?

and also etchings on guns?

why doesn't the gamepedia or wiki ever get updated with this stuff? 😦

the lore is so cool but people think the game has no lore because it's not readable.

it's the opposite of Bloodborne

[earnest jungle]

It’s all in the Book of Guns and Monster

[fierce sinew]

Weapons skins, hunter skins, trials. There's also a collection of lore bits called the Louisiana Incident (on the wiki) and some posts on the official site that are short stories and background for some locations.

[earnest jungle]

Problem is assembling it is very difficult.

[glacial schooner]

Well, is there a reason it can't just be added to the Gamepedia wiki? Does that need access or something?

[fierce sinew]

Like off the top of my head there's a bit about Lynch's childhood and also another bit about Finch being hired and I can't remember where either is located.

[earnest jungle]

I don’t know how to add things to the wiki and I don’t know who does

[fierce sinew]

Cause the lore is all over the place.

[earnest jungle]

Which is why I suggest using citations and junk

So we remember where everything comes from

[fierce sinew]

At a base level, to start organizing this stuff, plain text copies should be put on the wiki.

But I don't know how to do wiki.

If it were all plain text, then at least somebody could search a name and find all the relevant places they're mentioned. Alternately make up a better list of characters with links to where all their lore is located.

IE if I look up Finch, I should be able to find all the places he shows up.

[glacial schooner]

that's how a wiki works btw

[glacial schooner]

great call

[fierce sinew]

Yeah the tricky part is at the moment most of the lore entries are uploaded as pictures which makes them not searchable.

TBH though the lore being messy/out of date on the wiki isn't as pressing as the wiki having no stats for any of the new stuff that got added last patch. Also there's the weirdness with As Bad as They Seem now.

[glacial schooner]

As Bad As They Seem?

[fierce sinew]

As Bad As They Seem is a story told over several weapon entries in the Book of Weapons. It's been collected on the wiki so it's easy to read, but it doesn't exist as a complete thing in game anymore since 2 of the entries were for crossbow ammo back when they were separate weapons.

[glacial schooner]

Okay... weird

[fierce sinew]

I think As Bad As They Seem and the Charlie Salter journal are the only time there's a continuous story broken up over several places, the rest of the time it's more straight forward.

[glacial schooner]

Honestly I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to start adding in SOME things to this site... wikis are pretty easy to edit.

Like, it would be great if we could just do something for some of the legendaries.

Maybe I'll just test by making a page for a legendary hunter.

Is there a legendary hunter whose lore is all pretty accessible?

BTW, Gamepedia/ wikis have built-in software for citation.

[earnest jungle]

Oh and if you’re wonder Finch’s introduction is Bornhime Mastery 2

And the way they dealt with the crossbow is to just condense those entires into the already masteries for crossbow.

[glacial schooner]

got it

Okay, here's an example.

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/American_Hunters_Association

This page is VERY sparse. I'm SURE there's some more lore.

What should I add in? Like, just to test the waters. It's pretty easy to add stuff if you have a citation.

[fierce sinew]

So this is the sort of plain text copy I was talking about, which is good, but I feel like the overall page should include a brief 1 paragraph description of the AHA, since there are details known from other places too.

[earnest jungle]

John Welch Jones the father of Philip Huff Jones was the previous Superintendent of the Asylum at Jackson snd presumably the previous leader of the AHA

[fierce sinew]

And then have the blog post copy under that.

[glacial schooner]

Sure, well, it's pretty easy to add in... what sort of details do we know?

[fierce sinew]

Off the top of my head, lead by Huff and Finch in louisiana, various chapters (new york chapter is mentioned). Organization has existed for a while, dealing with smaller incidents that crop up elsewhere, the Louisiana incident being the largest and forcing the AHA into disarray. Probably more details to be had.

[glacial schooner]

Got it. How do we know that? Just for citation.

[earnest jungle]

We know the AHA is based out of the East Louisiana State Hospital known in Game as the Asylum at Jackson.

Huff is the Superintendent of the Assylum

[fierce sinew]

Also I'd say individual characters don't need a page necessarily, the characters page with short descriptions and links to relevant lore entries would be a better way to go.

Sourcing it, honestly, I'm too tired and can't remember where it all comes from right now.

[glacial schooner]

All right.

So, just to test

I just added the info about the previous hunter.

It would be good to add more sections.

It worked just fine and it showed up.

[glacial schooner]

That's really cool. Where would you say that info is from, btw?

[glacial schooner]

Do you mean the Legendaries page?

[fierce sinew]

No, that should stay as it, since it's more about being a visual reference for skins.

I mean this page: https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Characters

Ideally it'd end up being about as filled out and formatted as something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Horus_Heresy_characters

[glacial schooner]

yeah that would be great

[fierce sinew]

As a comparison. Short paragraph descriptions for major characters.

Don't need individual pages for any characters IMO.

[earnest jungle]

I know it from a couples plces:
• Huff and Welch were real people
• And there’s only one asylum at Jackson Louisiana that was run by both men

John Welch Jones has a Wikipedia page

As does the hospital

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Louisiana_State_Hospital

[glacial schooner]

Wow holy shit

[earnest jungle]

Yeah there’s a bunch of historical figures in the game

The Bone Doctor? That guy existed. And he really was a member of the Louisiana Voodoo Community

The Jane from the Centential Lore is none else than Calamity Jane Canary

[fallow gorge]

The twins were responsible for his death. They were told to do so at Lynch's order

[glacial schooner]

Well, I did a tiny bit of work on it. https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Characters?veaction=edit&section=2#Characters

It's VERY easy to use.

I sadly don't really know any of the lore for this game, but I am interested in learning more.

[fallow gorge]

Check the pinned messages for more

[earnest jungle]

I don’t think that’s right. According to Collins Lynch herself killed Huff and according to an unamed Doctor (I assume Finch) an unknown assailant killed him with a pistol from outside the hospital.

[glacial schooner]

Damn...

Feels like someone should put that on there. I don't know if I can, since I'm playing hunt like a buffoon

[earnest jungle]

And in game you can find wanted posters for a third man wanted in connect with Huff’s death.

If Lynch and the Twins killed Huff they used a middle man to do so.

[fallow gorge]

Hold on, i'll see if i can find the lore page for it

[fierce sinew]

The other report in that lore bit says something about 2 unnamed women meeting with him before his death, but they could easily be the 2 from the Collins version, and not the Twins.

We technically have 3 reports on his death, sort of.

Which is weird since the cause of death seemingly differs a lot between them.

[fallow gorge]

They're somewhere in the book of weapons

[earnest jungle]

Elwood isn’t a hunter he is one of several researchers.

[glacial schooner]

I didn't make it xD

To be 100% honest, I'm trying to get some of the lore superfans to do work for me and edit the wiki for me because I don't know any of the lore 🤣

[earnest jungle]

Speaking of researchers were have several named Researchers: Dr. Elwood Finch, Dr. Tamrat Scognamiglio, Dr Harold Black, Dr Reinhard Winkler,

[fallow gorge]

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/File:LeMat_Mastery1.png

here's where he meets the twins and afterwards shortly dies

I'll try to find the next entry

[fierce sinew]

Regarding huffs death there's basically 2 versions, he got shot from the outside, or stabbed in the room by lynch. Collins seemed to have gotten his version from the 2nd account.

[fallow gorge]

It seems the two versions were done on purpose

[glacial schooner]

Like this...?

I just think it's nicer to read here in tall this nice plaintext than trying to ctrl-F throughout years of discord discussion lol

anyone can edit it, so I hope i'm not doing anything wrong by putting the lore in incorrectly

[fallow gorge]

I'm inclined to believe he was stabbed by Lynch now that I think about it

[grizzled meadow]

So who is Lynch?

[earnest jungle]

I don’t think Lynch killed Huff. Lynch and Nellie Crown were the only people who witnessed Huff’s death in Collins account and Neither would be available for Collins to interview

[stoic turtle]

Why does custom ammo like dumdum deal such reduced damage in lore

I always chalked it up to shitty ammo being used to create custom rounds

[earnest jungle]

Balancing

[stoic turtle]

In lore

[earnest jungle]

I don’t think there’s a lore explanation it’s just a balancing decision

In game you’ll find this poster and in game posters are considered in cannon with the lore

This man is suspected of killing Huff by Sheriff Hardin which would lend credence to the shooter theory.

[violet ridge]

Fun Fact, this guy is actually the streamer FailSpawner! He was the first person in the entire game to reach Prestige 100! Hence the "F.S" in his name.

a little easter egg 😉

This may be a stretch, but the "$100" reward also makes it a bit funny

[untold lodge]

I tuned out of this games lore years ago before the books were even released. Is there a recommended order in reading them or should I just read the entries in order (starting with winfield mastery and working my way down the book). Also are player matches still canon? I remember the lore being that there was only one of each boss and each match was a different version of the story being told.

[restive patrol]

Player matches are canon, the part about there only being one of each boss has been changed where now their "souls are recycled into new vessels and sent out again,"

You can look in pinned messages and start reading all the entries in this doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit?usp=sharing

Most of the entries are entirely separate, with each of them discussing particular characters or stories (ie winfield vandal variants are about the Phantom's background)

[night sage]

So I just read the entries and Booker T. Washington is a character within the lore? Huh

[split yacht]

Dunno if anyone’s noticed this, but when you lose a quickplay match by having the wellspring depleted, your hunter burns up like an immolator. Now, given that they are arguably the most intelligent of the non-boss enemies, could it be possible that the immolators are hunters who failed to save their soul in quickplay?

[junior pecan]

Machete

I did that one for var

[hallow kraken]

I just thought of something, do the monsters like water devils have to eat to survive? If they killed off near everything in the swamp they’ll die eventually and things could come back

[stoic turtle]

I think they feed off of inexperienced hunters who get murked on a regular basis

[glacial schooner]

What year is it in Hunt: Showdown ?

It feels like I need to add all this into the wiki but again, lazy..

[fierce sinew]

And/or 1896.

The latest chinese dlc pack updated the year.

[split yacht]

1896, the c96 is listed as a prototype,

[patent seal]

What's the c96?

Pardon my ignorance

[earnest jungle]

The Dolch

[patent seal]

Oh cool, didnt know that thank u

[earnest jungle]

Here is my imperfect attempt at creating a faction/relationship web for the game’s factions

I am limited however by the lack of a 3rd dimension

[pearl abyss]

ok question as i have somewhat of a oc based around this game for a another fandom. does this take place during the cival war or after?

[earnest jungle]

1895-1896

Veterans of the war are available as recruitable hunters and the Scrapbeak himself was a veteran and victim of that cruel war.

[pearl abyss]

ahhh damn i said it happened during the war haha!

[willow cargo]

you only seem to get union veterans though

I suppose having confederate veterans might be a bit sketch

[tardy spear]

I got a character that was wearing a brown uniform that looked confederate but uh...he was also black.

So I'm not sure on that one really.

[junior pecan]

This was a thing

[rotund ferry]

@tardy spear It's part of the ascetic that certain clothes had in that particular era.

[worn yoke]

Why?

[worn yoke]

Blacks fought for the confederacy as well

[split yacht]

Because the confederates were pro slavery

[worn yoke]

Yes but what bearing would that have on the setting and themes of the game?

Having confederate characters isn't an endorsement of slavery by the devs, it comes with the territory of a game set in the late 1800s American south

[junior pecan]

You quit being reasonable up there, not allowed

[split yacht]

Fair, I can see why they might not want to use them tho

[hallow kraken]

Don’t think it would matter if they just treat them like clothes-which they are

[worn yoke]

A lot of the overly sensitive people think that they need to be activists, and I'm sure there are plenty of those types in crytek..

[hallow kraken]

Yeah

[earnest jungle]

It really really wasn’t. Black Confederate Soldiers were for the most part a myth. There were only really a couple of them in the last months of 1865 and none saw combat. The idea of using Black Soldiers ran contrary to everything the Confederates believed about the supremacy of the White Race and they said as much when ever someone came up and suggested the use of black soldiers.

[earnest jungle]

They really really didn’t. Both Jefferson Davis and the Confederate Congress soundly rejected the enlistment of Black Soldiers in the Confederate Army. It was bot until the last months of the war in 1865 that the Confederacy started allowing Black Soldiers to be enlisted. But the war was over a little over a month after this policy was adopted. They managed to recruit around 200 black soldiers, but they never saw combat.

Couldn’t even arm them really, because by then the Confederacy was completely falling apart.

The Confederacy had always struggled to manufacture and acquire guns. So when there two companies were mustered and went on parade they did so without guns, and uniforms for that matter.

[digital aspen]

P sure the black confederate soldier thing is a myth

[earnest jungle]

It is

There only existed 200 black confederates in the last month of the war, and they never saw combat.

[digital aspen]

Last ditch act of desperation I suppose

[worn yoke]

They weren't commonplace, but there would be enough of them that seeing some in Hunt wouldn't be any more unrealistic than any of their other characters

The character lineup in Hunt isn't meant to be realistic either way

[earnest jungle]

But again the CSA gave them neither guns nor uniforms.

The closest you’d get were slaves that were taken by their masters to serve the Confederacy confederate army as laborers, teamsters, and cooks.

And after the war these slaves were occasionally granted uniforms and pensions by southern states for political reasons.

See the main argument of White Supremacy and the Lost Cause from the 1880s to the 1945 was that Blacks were being oppressed for their own good. So Black Confederates Army Slaves were useful propaganda to portray the slaves as submissive and loyal.

[worn yoke]

Kind of irrelevant to the discussion at hand

[earnest jungle]

I know but the history of the matter is fascinating and I’m a history major

[worn yoke]

The question is more about whether or not a black dude in a confederate uniform 30 years after the civil war ended hunting monsters is too outlandish to be possible, which I argue it isn't.

[earnest jungle]

I would argue it is.

The Uniformed Soldiers are all Rank Three hunters.

They’re all experienced man killers with decades of experience

Black Confederates would have no such experience.

Because they never saw combat during the war.

[sudden glacier]

the most logical way I could explain it is that he found the uniform and didn't know what it was

[worn yoke]

With the huge numbers of recently-freed slaves that probably joined the AHA after the civil war, I don't see any reason some of them wouldn't find utility in military fatigues, whether or not they were even issued to them individually

[earnest jungle]

Also it’s a moot point

[tepid chasm]

considering its a war against undead it may be a all hands on deck situation

a brow uniform could just be a cheaply made wool coat

[earnest jungle]

The brown Uniform they saw is most likely not a Confederate Uniform but a Union Army Uniform from the 1880s-1890s

[worn yoke]

Probably ye

[earnest jungle]

Meaning that soldier is portably a veteran of the American-Indian Wars.

[worn yoke]

And I'm like 90% sure I've seen confederate uniforms on hunters before

Do we even have any indian hunters? Kind of a shame if not

[earnest jungle]

The only one we have is the Archaeologist I think

[brave nymph]

Could have a couple of legendary hunters as Native Americans, add a bow and arrow as a special weapon with them