It's not hard to figure out why they made it that way, it's a mix of lore and gameplay reasons. Mosin was the first long ammo bolt action rifle they added to the game. They wanted a high level auto gun. They realized a full auto conversion of a bolt action gun had been made. Rather than add a whole other gun to the game, they made it fit with what they already had.
#lore-discussion
fierce sinew
rotund ferry
^^
I mean there are a lot of folks in the Hunt lore who like to tinker with guns, and for good reason
native glade
because avtomat just means automatic
rotund ferry
I’m just curious, is there lore behind blood bonds?
wintry root
Because the Fedorov is not a converted bolt-action rifle?
Mannlicher Model 85, built in 1885. First semi-automatic rifle built.
The Cei-Rigotti, first developed circa 1890, was the first automatic rifle.
although it could be argued that this 1855 Mershon-Hollingsworth self-loading precussion revolving rifle was the first either automatic or semi-automatic rifle.
Mosin also made some semi-automatic conversions of the Mosin-Nagant from 1910. We can only assume he got his hands on a Louisianan Avtomat 
It really doesn't take much to turn a bolt-action into a straight pull, then an automatic. You need some sort of bolt camming mechanism that turns a straight pull into a rotating motion at the appropriate place. all you need to do then, is strap a gas piston to it and you're good to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U682yOpNafg
and some of the conversions, like this Reider, look pretty slick.
royal pond
Lee Enfield conversion. You can see the camming plate for working the bolt. Did they just skip that on the Avto?
wintry root
Yeah they did
Other than that, it works the same way
I like to pretend its there but that I just cant see it under the shield plate
random lava
guys this is lore discussion not weapon discussion
wintry root
Unless they heavily modified the bolt, split it and added an internal camming pin.
Hey its all still lore relevant
We're talking about the Avtomat
random lava
alright, i just saw a bunch of weapon images and stuff so just making sure, didnt really follow the convo
pretend i didnt say anything then
plain veldt
I stand corrected then 🙂
I'm no expert, some wikipedia page is as far as my knowledge goes on the subject
Once could say though, that these kinda guns didn't see widespread production and adoption until WWI though.
I think early designs were often rejected, at least partially because it was feared that individual infantrymen would just waste ammo with automatic weapons or something.
From a design standpoint, I suppose the Avtomat looks sufficiently haphazardly and steampunkish, while rugged at the same time.
I wonder though, why the AHA would have to import/smuggle a bunch of foreign guns, instead of procuring domestic weapons. The bunch of Winchester ("Winfield") variants that existed at that time or the Krag rifle, used by the US Army, come to mind.
I think on a trials page it's mentioned, that Finch went to the Wolfshead Arsenal, to get his hands on weapons. But maybe they had only old springfield rifles there. ^^
faint island
Wolfshead literally has Mosins on the racks.
The gun rack prop they use in the environments is full of Mosins and double-barrel shotguns.
@tawny rock Nothing wrong with the Avtomat. You're fighting zombies and monsters, everything's allowed to be wacky and nonsensical.
runic garnet
Hey! Quick Question: The game takes place in 1895, am I right?
rustic hearth
@runic garnet correct
errant shoal
Would be nice to see a little bit of a time jump at some point, maybe redesign the maps a little to reflect it and put us in like 1905
runic garnet
Thanks @rustic hearth. Was wondering because the Dolch has the addition "96" which usually refers to the Year.
errant shoal
Think of it like when a new model of car comes out and it's dated for the next year
runic garnet
Think of it like when a new model of car comes out and it's dated for the next y...
As far as I know thats not how they handled it back then.
rustic hearth
@runic garnet although i believe that time is passing in the game. It might be a year or two ahead by now.
wintry root
I believe that the Dolches in the game are pre-production prototypes.
wintry root
wintry root
well this prototype was made in March. who's to say that our Dolches couldn't have had more features of production models.
like I sad, pre-production guns
lots of differences in details and a lot of hand fitting
faint island
With manufacturer's markings and a serial number as high as the one in-game?
wintry root
thats an oversight, or maybe we're not in 1895 anymore
faint island
The SN for the in-game Mauser is 82105, as best I can make out.
wintry root
hold up
where is the SN located
- 5 digits, on the hammer
if I'm reading this right
it's modelled after a pre-war commercial C96
discord won't let me link
askmisterscience (dot) com/1896mauserbackup/id.htm
there
c96 quick ID guide
tawny rock
<@!473517350688391169> Nothing wrong with the Avtomat. You're fighting zombies a...
Yeah, that's not an excuse for a 3 round burst/full auto rifle. It really doesn't fit. The Dolch at the very least does, if barely.
faint island
Dude, I love you.
I said this exact thing to them.
And they started making fun of me.
I agree completely, the thing just doesn't fit.
The reasoning is always 'yeah but the hunters probably just jury-rigged it or something'.
tawny rock
It's still not an excuse. Sure, you could say that, but it just doesn't fit the game. Why the dev's thought it was a good idea is mind boggling to me.
faint island
They just jury-rigged a piece of equipment that is a) not going to be invented for another 20 years and b) possibly the least reliable choice imaginable considering you're going into a humid muddy swamp.
tawny rock
Exactly.
faint island
hurr no you just don't like the avto because you were killed by it
you're fighting monsters lol it's not realistic anyway
wintry root
avto used to be 2 round burst
faint island
That makes even less sense.
faint island
Burst fire mechanisms are notoriously hard to engineer.
tawny rock
Burst fire mechanisms are notoriously hard to engineer.
Especially for what, as far as I can tell, is a GAS OPERATED RECOIL SYSTEM
wintry root
"gas operated recoil" 
wintry root
you're confusing the operating mechanism with the trigger mechanism
faint island
Yeah, burst fire is a cam wheel with several notches that resets after the specified number of rounds.
wintry root
the avtomat has a fixed-barrel, long-stroke gas piston operated, rotating bolt. it's also fully automatic only, its trigger mechanism appears unmodified and there are no fire selector switches.
a bona-fide burst fire gun will stop firing after its burst ends. the avtomat doesn't do that, it keeps firing as long as you hold the trigger down, your character is just not used to full auto guns and lets off the trigger too slowly
faint island
That's true, but I've also literally never used the Avto, so I wouldn't know.
tawny rock
I've used it twice.
wintry root
you should try it, it's a fun shotgun
gritty tusk
the avtomat isnt even a good gun
wintry root
every time I want to use a shotgun, I just remember that the Avto exists and use it instead.
faint island
The Nitro is also massively more period accurate, and is more thematically appropriate.
Being a HUNTing rifle.
wintry root
hmm hmm hmm hmmmmmmmmmm
tawny rock
Rise up dead man, Let the gunshots ring.
faint island
And frankly if I walked into a swamp knowing my primary objective was to kill something big and ugly, I'd take an express rifle.
tawny rock
And frankly if I walked into a swamp knowing my primary objective was to kill so...
Winch- I mean Winfield 1886 has entered the chat.
faint island
Not a temperamental automatic rifle with next to no practical utility.
I think it speaks volumes that the last silly weapon they added was the bomb lance.
Everything since has been period appropriate.
tawny rock
I think it speaks volumes that the last silly weapon they added was the bomb lan...
At least that MAKES SENSE.
wintry root
if I walked into a swamp knowing that someone sneaky is gonna try to kill ME, i'd take the weapon that balances effectiveness and reliability with fire rate well. and if I had an Avtomat that I knew worked well, I'd take it.
and if the bomb lance makes sense, I think, so does the Avto.
faint island
Fire rate is a meme.
wintry root
not in real life, it's not
wintry root
always.
wintry root
yes, that.
tawny rock
Bomb Lance makes sense at the very least, because it was used to hunt whales. The Avtomat does not.
wintry root
what I'm trying to say is, a self-loading weapon will always be superior to a manually operated one (unless you have crappy ammo that breaks on extraction and fouls up the gun).
and plenty of self-loaders exited in 1895.
faint island
They absolutely did not.
wintry root
Yes they did, and I'm gonna list them.
tawny rock
what I'm trying to say is, a self-loading weapon will always be superior to a ma...
This I agree with. The only times that wasn't true was with the REALLY early black powder ones.
faint island
If you post that Mannlicher prototype of which only one drawing exists, you lose.
tawny rock
I'd rather have a Remington model 8 as a special ammo rifle than the Avtomat.
At the very least, they could lore it up as to justify WHY it exists. The Avtomat they simply can not.
faint island
You're looking at 1900 at the very earliest.
wintry root
This I agree with. The only times that wasn't true was with the REALLY early bla...
and people even divised ways to make those into self-loaders. also, model 8 is even newer than the real anacronistic gun y'all should be complaining about - the Auto-5. It's 10 years too early
strike one for Nero - Madsen-Rasmussen M1886. A Danish Army self-loader, around 200 were built and used in forts, if I'm not mistaken. Black power, too
faint island
I would take that over the Avto provided your rifle gummed up because of powder fouling.
wintry root
i mean, it's a recoil operated gun, so you could really fire it about as much as a typical black powder bolt-action before you'd need to clean it
strike 2 - Bergmann no.1-3. As seen in Hunt.
strike 3 - Borchardt C93, the predecessor to the Luger.
faint island
I should have specified rifles, that was my mistake.
Not changing the goalposts, I concede that of course there were commercial automatic pistols throughout the 1890s.
tawny rock
and people even divised ways to make those into self-loaders. also, model 8 is e...
I was referring to black powder self loaders. The reason why they weren't supior was because the powder would foul the mechanism and then gun no worky. The manual operated ones would have less delicate parts, and were generally more reliable and easier to clean.
wintry root
also, that Mannlicher does, in fact, count. fun fact, it used a compressed semi-smokeless black powder propellant.
faint island
This does nothing to address the fact that the Avto, and semi-automatics as a rule, feel out of place.
Hunt for me is all about that rustic, ramshackle atmosphere.
I think putting, for lack of a better term, 'modern' weapons in Hunt is detrimental to both the gunplay and the atmosphere.
tawny rock
I'd actually like the C93 to be honest. Literally just have it replace the Dolch, problem solved.
wintry root
semi auto pistols feel fine, but semi autos need to loot and feel like complete cludges to fit imo. Avto fits those requirements handily. I honestly prefer using a stock mosin to it because it just feels so... puts on star wars hat ma'clunky
faint island
I think if the only way you can justify the presence of a weapon is to make it inconvenient and clumsy, it doesn't belong.
wintry root
strike 4 - although too late for Hunt, the Roth-Haenel 1899 sporting rifle technically qualifies.
faint island
I can go down that playlist too, my friend.
wintry root
strike 5, and one better - the circa 1890 Cei-Rigotti automatic rifle. Tested in dev builds of Hunt at some point!
faint island
Yeah, and thankfully not present currently.
tawny rock
strike 4 - although too late for Hunt, the Roth-Haenel 1899 sporting rifle techn...
I think, within the year of hunt, it's now 1896. The fire monkey description kinda confirms that.
wintry root
I'll keep that in mind, thank you
tawny rock
Auto 5 I can forgive, since the design existed in 1898.
wintry root
technically too late for Hunt as well, Mauser C98 rifle, a gun that cost Paul Mauser his eye.
faint island
mm flapper lock
wintry root
strike 6 - Madsen-Rasmussen 1896, a more developed version of the 1886 gun. Also adopted by the Danish military in small numbers
faint island
That's the one with the fixed gravity-feed magazine?
wintry root
the 1886 one had a fixed gravity mag
faint island
wintry root
this one has a detachable gravity mag
I'd be fine with this or the 1886 one in-game. semi-auto, slow firing, medium ammo, poor handling, slow reload, expensive, and the mag obstructs some of your vision
tawny rock
I'd be fine with this or the 1886 one in-game. semi-auto, slow firing, medium am...
I'd actually be ok with that. Maybe make it a special ammo instead?
faint island
Anyway, you're only proving my point that none of these belong in a Louisiana swamp for the purpose of hunting beasties by virtue of being obscure weapons occasionally adopted in Europe in extremely small numbers, when they weren't maiming their creators.
wintry root
could be medium special like the Dolch, but I'd stick with just medium medium. technically a big bore black powder rifle like the Springfield or Martini.
wintry root
Anyway, you're only proving my point that none of these belong in a Louisiana sw...
explain the lebel and bergmann then. also the mosin, vetterli, dolch,...
faint island
The Lebel was already being replaced in French military service by the Berthier by the point of the game.
wintry root
not really but okay
faint island
The Vetterli had been replaced by the Schmidt-Rubin
And a lot of them were actually sold as surplus in the United States
wintry root
actually used for hunting into the 1970s!
tawny rock
Bergmann kinda sucked across the board. It was pocket gun cartridge trying to be a full service handgun cartridge.
faint island
And I agree the Lebel argument is frail at best
wintry root
here's your explanation - hunters from across the world came to the Bayou because something interesting was going on.
wintry root
and that's the game's actual lore, not just theories
faint island
It makes sense that they would take a standard military issue arm
Than an obscure prototype
Wouldn't you agree?
tawny rock
here's your explanation - hunters from across the world came to the Bayou becaus...
Lore wise, I think this event is actually WORLD WIDE, not just confined to Louisiana.
wintry root
not really
its louisiana only
other events have other causes
going back to someone's theory on the Loa
basically, one event = one place, with one causing entity
tawny rock
I don't think so, my friend Arpy, who was a HUGE lore nerd for this game, said it was pretty much world wide.
wintry root
never seen proof of that
an edge case - the French ENT B1 was introduced to the small arms comitte in 1900. it was in development before.
faint island
I think it's obvious the developers don't want anything like that beyond the Avto anyway.
Given that they completely invented it, and have progressively nerfed it into the ground in order to prevent it being the most effective weapon in the game bar none just by virtue of being an automatic rifle.
wintry root
so, before or during 1896, we've got:
-1855 Mershon-Hollingsworth
-Cei-Rigotti
-Mannlicher 1885
-Madsen-Rasmussen 1886
-Madsen-Rasmussen 1896
-Browning "Flapper" (converted fully automatic M1873)
-maybe propably some other obscure prototype
faint island
You cannot in all seriousness suggest they add that calamity of a weapon.
faint island
Saddens me.
wintry root
also, the 1890 Browning "Flapper"!
faint island
So many weapons that would fit but because they set the precedence of having weird out of place automatics, everybody wants the fantasy stuff.
wintry root
a converted M1873. basically an SMG
faint island
There's a Browning patent for an automatic conversion to the Henry-style lever-action by having a shoulder plate that pushes the lever mechanism forward as the recoil impulse sends the buttstock into your shoulder.
rotund ferry
How to break your fingers in one quick step
faint island
I had it downloaded, let me see if I can find the drawing.
wintry root
How to break your fingers in one quick step
not really
people did all sorts of weird shit to get around Maxim's gas system patent
thank fuck all those patents expired long ago
oh yeah, one more thing. machine guns. those existed then.
rotund ferry
Ngl I’d rather have real rifles and pistols with slightly fanciful variants than pure fictional although functional designs
faint island
My thoughts exactly.
wintry root
that I agree with, but I'm not gonna yell at them to remove the Avtomat.
faint island
I will.
wintry root
would be funny though, if on april 1st they disabled every gun except the Avtomat, Auto-5 and Dolch and also replaced all in-game music with a Port Sulphur covers of the trololololo, darude sandstorm and never gonna give you up
wintry root
would legit be a good opportunity to test out how people would play if that happened. I'd love to see it
btw that ww2 protoype will be released very soon, just gotta organise it some more
faint island
What WW2 prototype is this?
wintry root
basically trying to wrap my head around what a Hunt game set in WW2 would look like
imagine
it's Showdown, but "oops, all Avtomat"
wintry root
i am setting it in 1943 to avoid the later highly effective auto guns
faint island
Sten?
wintry root
Yes. the cheapest SMG option
faint island
Of course.
wintry root
also has a variant with a suppressor.
I currently have 72 firearms, of which like 10 are tools.
with a total of 131 variants.
and a customisation system
faint island
Good luck modelling all those.
wintry root
games have had more.
faint island
Mind you, WWII weapons are some of the more popular weapons for asset packs.
If that's something you'd consider.
This isn't lore lmfao
rotund ferry
Hunt in ww2 Eastern Front: everyone and their mom has a Mosin
faint island
And no ammunition.
wintry root
there is an eastern from map planned.
imagine Stalingrad, but Hunt.
though from those 72, I could propably delete 1 rifle, 1 machine gun, 1 smg, at least 2 pistols and at least 2 derringers
and if you make all flamethrowers behave the same way, that's 3 more gone, reduced to cosmetic reskins.
faint island
I mean, Russia basically is just a permanent nightmare locus, I doubt an invasion of demons is going to make it much worse.
But it's fitting.
wintry root
faint island
It's not all like that.
Russia is, but.
A great deal of eastern Europe is very pleasant.
wintry root
I know. I'm from a former Yugoslavian country, we have commie blocks as well, but not just those.
there is also an Abysinnian map, a map set in China or Manchuria
as for the last map, tell me, did you ever play Bad Company 2?
faint island
A little bit, not a great deal.
rotund ferry
People wanting more crazy as shit guns and weapons
Me wanting a Springfield (trowel) bayonet
wintry root
haha shovel goes stab
faint island
Spencer carbine when.
Probably isn't a consideration because there's no easy way for the levering trait to apply to it.
rotund ferry
Yeah it either wouldn’t have levering or it would just be glacial in speed
Having a speed loading magazine out of the box on a medium ammo rifle though
faint island
I was thinking that could be a variant?
Like on the base rifle you'd have to remove the magazine and drop cartridges into it one by one, but there's be a variant with the Blakeslee magazine holder.
rotund ferry
I almost think the devs dodged it because of its use in RD2
faint island
By that logic they'd have dodged the Springfield, Winchester, SAA, etc.
faint island
Yeah, I have no idea what drove their choice of Winchesters.
There's an OG Henry iirc, and then the 1866.
The specific Carcano they picked is a weird one as well.
faint island
I've never understood the affection some people have for the Volcanic.
It's a clumsy, underpowered thing. Is it just because it looks odd?
rotund ferry
Same here, I think it’s just the previctorian aesthetic
1860 model Henry’s are another I don’t understand
rotund ferry
Tbh RD2s weapon choices make less sense to me than Hunt’s
Yeah, I still don’t understand why the carcano is the premier long range weapon in RDR2
A mosin nagant would have fit much better
And been cooler
And also given room for an obrez
But alas, no
rotund ferry
^
errant shoal
"Mosin-Nagant"
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
earnest jungle
The Hunt Showdown TV Tropes page could use some love
wintry root
Hmm
smoky lark
am i the only one who thinks that the outbreak is supernatural?
(oh wait that's probably old news)
rotund ferry
It most definitely is since they mention the sculptor a lot
wintry root
am i the only one who thinks that the outbreak is supernatural?
(oh wait that's ...
it is old news, yeah
marsh prawn
Was this added just for the lunar new year? I just stumbled across it
tall lava
@marsh prawn It's been there since the beginning
marsh prawn
Gotcha, It just seemed fitting for them to be playing Mahjong for the Chinese new year
cursive mountain
man they played right to the end
radiant lake
where is that? never seen that before
tall lava
@radiant lake In the west wall of Blanchett Graves
rotund ferry
Only 29 more days.
light solar
Only 29 more days.
sounds like a threat
eternal crystal
@rotund ferry i expect to see you post this every day now
rotund ferry
Okay im actually fucking shook, hunt got advertisement
rustic hearth
Yeah fr
amber harbor
Okay im actually fucking shook, hunt got advertisement
When?
rotund ferry
@amber harbor PCgamer wrote an article on it
amber harbor
Dats cool, but we should leave this chat
near marsh
is there like a video series or like a blog I can read that pieces together the lore?
rotund ferry
You can find all the lore entries on the wiki, but you'll have to stitch them together yourself. There are some videos about the main aspects of the story on YT though.
near marsh
thanks
amber harbor
all lore entries are in the pinned messages, aswell as some resources]
@near marsh
you could start with the beginners guide
wintry root
<@228840192524550144> PCgamer wrote an article on it
PCGamer are self-admitted left-leaning activists, but I will absolutley aplaud them for doing good work. And helping keep Hunt alive is it. WP guys
here's the article for anyone interested. https: (slash slash) www (dot) pcgamer (dot) com/why-you-should-be-playing-hunt-showdown/
the author did a pretty good job
earnest jungle
This might seem a little weird but I think when discussing lore from here on out we should include citations.
For example: (Book of Monsters, Grunt, Mastery 2).
That way we can keep track of where information is coming from and to make sure it’s accurate
wintry root
This might seem a little weird but I think when discussing lore from here on out...
motion seconded.
we be quotin' verses from the bible now
^read this in the Witchfinder General accent
earnest jungle
Would that be the VVitchfinder General of the Maffachufettf Colony?
wintry root
Yes, Sir.
Atun-Shei's a legend.
delivery to the Magistrate intensifies
he'd have a lot to say about this whole LouVent buisness
rotund ferry
@wintry root i don't know anything about pcgamer, the only reason I saw the article is because i follow hunt on twitter
Tbh the article got drowned out by 20 others but im glad theres literally any advertisement
royal pond
here's the article for anyone interested. https: (slash slash) www (dot) pcgamer...
Also this. PC gamer.
"Hunt showdowns quickplay is secretly the best battle royale- game"
wintry root
@royal pond quickplay could be considered a battle royale.
Though I prefer to call it Hunt Royale.
I think its different enough to warrant a different classification
royal pond
It has two of the main elements. Weapon looting and (usually) last man standing victory.
amber harbor
go to #hunt-general or #media with that pls
earnest jungle
So it appears that ammo will be unlocked through the book of weapons
rotund ferry
The ammo got little lore snippets as well
earnest jungle
Eeeeeeeh
rotund ferry
Noice
The inception behind penny shot and some of the other more exotic rounds sounds quite interesting
winged minnow
I imagine they'll have been created by someone within the AHA as well
Maybe not dragon's breath or slugs but flechette and coinshot look more makeshift
plush bough
what happened to the assassin? is he made by the sculptor? if no then did he get his powers by being consumed by the curse and last did he retain his humanity and memories after being transformed or did he just a mindless monster controlled by the sculptor?
is there any answer to these questions guys?
amber harbor
No conclusive one
All we know about it is in its lore entries, which arent really helpful in answering those questions
Hopefully custom ammo will bring more lore
plush bough
so many questions so annoying there aren't even hints
amber harbor
there are some hints if you look hard enough and you consider the stories to be true
i dont think the assassin retained his memories post transformation
the story Black tells is a kind of a 'deal with the devil'
like a human being empowered for his own means(assassinating the politician dude) in exchange for a lifetime of being brought back to life and killed by hunters
bosses coming back retain the soul, thats what holds them together
i think of it as a missionary ordeal, those souls were brought to the 'hell' that is the sculptors dimension, and they are tethered to it
every time they die they go back until a new body is ready
iirc, the hole in the assassins face was done by a guy who made it his lifes goal to finish him off
Black met him at Madonna Noir I think
There are a lot of theories that can be crafted with what we've been given, but there are little answers to what hunters or researchers wouldnt know i. e. sculptors dimension and soul physics to an extent
lore is written in vignettes, some more believable than others
thats why i say that a conclusive answer is hard to find, stories may have a seed of truth hidden inside, but the unreliable narrator makes it hard to discern
plush bough
how did u get all this info while i read his story i haven't found this much information?
is it confirmed by devs
or written somewhere?
and plus what u said about the assassin doesn't add up. in the story the mc is friend with the assassin while he has his powers implied by the fact that before they were friends he already met the assassin in an alleyway and he had powers
zenith horizon
One's own ass is a bottomless well from the depths of which much knowledge may be pulled
earnest jungle
Which is why I suggest when answering question we should include sources and citations
The first recorded sighting of the Assassin was in 1890 at the lynching of 19 Italian Americans who were murdered “on proof of being 'dagoes' and on the merest suspicion of being guilty of any other crime” (St. Louis Republic).
He is described by Black as “hugely tall, and incredibly agitated” upon watching the mob murder the men (Book of Monsters, Asassin, Mastery 2, Line 16).
It can be inferred from this that the Assassin had some connection to either the 19 murdered Italians or to the assassination of Police Chief Hennessy.
By this point it appears the Assassin has already gained his ability to transformer.
The 5th Paragraph describes the Assassin blinding Black with a cloud of dust and Beatles, scaling up a wall, and throwing one of his blades at him.
What’s important to know is that many of men who were murdered were influential merchants and workers and not long after the murder the kingpins of the mob were rewarded with a monopoly over New Orleans dock work.
It has been hypothesized by historian Richard Gambino that the lynching was motivated by a desire among wealthy businessmen to eliminate their potential competition.
Now not long after this Black meets “Vincent Orsica” (Mastery 3, Line 6).
Who as we later learn is in fact the Assassin himself. (Mastery 4)
Now I suspect but cannot confirm that Vincent Orsica was an Italian-American. Oraica is one letter off from Corsica an Island that was historically controlled by Italy and Vincent is a Romance Name.
I also suspect his agitation at the lynching was anger at the murder. As he befriended Black after the murder when he wrote an article that denounced the lynching.
However it’s just as plausible that his agitation had nothing to do with sharing an ethnicity with the men being murdered.
Perhaps it was Vincent who murdered the Police Chief on the orders of the men now leading the mob and his anger was directed at how innocent men were being murdered by the guilty.
But this is all just speculation.
Another question that is raised by this is why Vincent befriended and trained Black, and why he let Black live.
It’s possible Black was just lucky and managed to escape but we can infer two things from the events subscribed. Vincent has been the Assassin for a long time, and he is very good at killing.
I don’t think it was by chance that Vincent met Black, trained Black how to shoot, and then Black survived both his encounters with Vincent and became the first man to attribute a death to him.
The precise relationship between Vincent, Black, and the Sculptor is unknown. But it seems to be Vincent enjoys much greater autonomy than the other boss monsters who have only ever appeared in the hunting grounds. And have never been seen doing anything but furthering the spread of the outbreak.
plush bough
and i concluded that the reason that vincent didn't kill black in the alleyway is because like u said,he murderers the guilty.black was not guilty when he meet Vincent in the alleyway. at least of something vincent would know. vincent probs feelt guilty for almost killing an innocent man or he just liked black and that's why he befriended him. he taught black hunting so he could protect himself and as some bonding time between them.he left black because he had to do something or cuz he taught him how to protect himself an there wasan't a reason for him to remain there,but he attacked their team because they were hunters and his deal with the sculptor. he probably justifies it because hunters kill other hunters making them guilty,thus the sculptors deal fit in line with his ideology. additionally he left black off the hook. why do i think that? cuz he stared at black for some time but didn't attack at first. he was giving him time to escape
i guessed vincents motives cuz i learn psychology and the hints scattered around
eternal crystal
I love seeing peeps in here ❤️
plush bough
me too
junior pecan
It’s possible Black was just lucky and managed to escape but we can infer two th...
Very important to note that Black’s documentation of vincent is a few years before the outbreak iirc
Vincent is either an independent actor turned asset or a contractor
Sculptor shouldnt be able to maintain control of an individual at that range without a rift. Lynch couldnt do so even with the rifts open and available
earnest jungle
I was more referring to Black’s encounter at the Prison. Vincent killed the other two hunters with ease yet Black escaped allowing the AHA to become aware of who the Assassin was.
I think and this is speculation, Vincent let Black live hoping Black would kill him.
Hiram R Lott was killed in Managua Nicaragua in 1895
What if Victor is an unwilling asset of the Sculptor and let Black living hoping he would free his servitude to the Sculptor either by killing him for good, or by ending the outbreak?
The more likely explanation is that Victor couldn’t bring himself to seriously hurt his friend Black as that’s the more simpler explanation that makes the fewest assumptions.
But I’m sticking to my guns on this.
wintry root
@faint island look at this! found another semi-auto from before 1896! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrK4wC0khoA
o no, another Auto-5
faint island
lmfao you didn't 'find' it, you got it in your subscriptions same as I did
wintry root
i swear, if Ian made this video in 3 years ago, this is what we would have in game instead of the anacronistic Auto-5
faint island
Clair are interesting, they made an automatic pistol in the early 1890s iirc.
Essentially the same mechanism from the looks of it.
wintry root
they also had rifles.
insert semi-auto rifle suggestion here
loop-de-loop mag
allegedly the rifle
tawny rock
loop-de-loop mag
That looks....... uncomfortable
zinc sage
that magazine wouldnt even hold that many because the bullets are all vertical
instead of making a magazine stick down infront of the grip the man saw a crazy straw and went YES
seems like theres a forward magazine on the rifle though, still the same mechanism just beeg
zenith horizon
Auto 5 is a great addition. It's classic, instantly recognizable, and while you criticize it as anachronistic most people aren't going to be taken out of the game by a weapon that wasn't produced for another 6-7 years.
Especially when there's lore to support it's creation and development in-universe
wintry root
That lore is important
rotund ferry
Does he really have boobas
Gotdamn
That does bring some light into the game
Oh never mind then
icy brook
I’m going to put this in here because, based on his logic the derringer should be manufactured by the Sparks company, there is some other lore bits here
zenith horizon
Just watched, really cool video
tawny rock
he get's the nitro caliber wrong though. It's a .500 nitro by date alone. The .600 was make in 1899, the game takes place in 1895. Well, 1896 now, since the spirit of nian came out.
icy brook
His issue with the Sharps hammer was also a bit incorrect
tawny rock
His issue with the Sharps hammer was also a bit incorrect
How so?
icy brook
You do in fact want to put the hammer on half cock before dropping the block, otherwise you risk shearing the firing pin
glacial portal
Why would you shear the firing pin doing so? It doesn’t rest on the firing pin and, to the best of my knowledge, doesn’t retract it from the divot it made in the primer which is an angled surface anyways. From what I’ve seen of people shooting the IRL Sharps rifle, they just go ahead and drop the block, throw in a new cartridge, raise the block and then cock the hammer.
main shard
Dropping the falling block with the hammer and its main spring pushing on the firing pin has a tendency to shear off the nose of the firing pin.
He doesn't explain too in-depth but the Gentleman in this video recommends placing the hammer on half-cock before loading
icy brook
Yeah this guy gets it, I’ve been at two different BPCR silhouette matches where people have shorn a firing pin
It’s just a small nuance
faint island
Rebounding lock bros, rise up.
To this day the most fun gun I ever fired was an old Holland SxS. Underlever, non-rebounding locks.
Would love something like that to show up in Hunt but probably not fast enough.
wise sluice
Hey, do you guys think the new boss might be connected to the Vagrant from Silence Winnie Legendary story?
wise sluice
Someone mentioned the large backpack like structure and a possible hoarder/collector
And we know that the vagrant went for revenge when his collections of tins and other similar things was destroyed/taken away from him
Given that the bird has human mix in with him (think similar to the assassin) and collecting nature of him, there is a possibility of connection
eternal crystal
And we know that the vagrant went for revenge when his collections of tins and o...
I like your thinking
Is gonna be interesting to see when we get more and more info on the coming boss, i can't wait 
rotund ferry
Despite the teasers and such I don’t think the Crow looks capable of flight
I think it’s really only going to be Crow in name
I think it’s gonna be called “Scavenger”
icy brook
His legs almost look mechanical
earnest jungle
The creature's Legs indeed look mechanical or at least artificial in nature.
Worst yet it appears the prosthetic legs have been bolted into the creature's legs
rotund ferry
His legs almost look mechanical
Either that, or necrotic to the bone
earnest jungle
Well that was weird
glossy falcon
Check the Pinned messages 🙂 Let's keep this channel for Lore please
earnest jungle
So the basic lore is this: In 1895 Demons began invading Louisiana in what became latter known as the Louisiana event. This specific incident began in the Louisiana Bayou. The American Hunters Association based out of the Jacksonville Asylum to combat the Demonic Invasion began contracting hunters to combat the invasion.
The Spider was the creation of Dr. Reed.
Doctor Reed was a doctor who was caught up in the outbreak.
Hang on I'm explaining
As this lore document from the since deleted Louisiana Event Scrap Book Explains knowledge of the events in Louisiana were suppressed. As far as anyone knew the bayou was hit by an outbreak of some deadly disease.
Dr Reed went out into Louisana to treat the disease unaware of the supernatural reality of the outbreak.
Dr. Reed lost his mind as the outbreak corrupted his mind and soul.
He tortured the survivors he was trapped with to death, and their bodies became the Spider.
This leads us to another enigmatic figure in the lore of the game: the Sculptor
Hang on I've got to find the relevant lore document
The Sculptor is the enigmatic figure responsible for all of this
We don't know who they are, or what they want, or even what they're from
What we do know is they've created all of the creatures that we're facing in the hunting grounds.
And that our ability to utilize the dark sight, banish monsters, and resist the corrupting influence of the other realm comes from harnessing their power.
Both
As it is believed that the Sculptor is a demon
earnest jungle
The lore of the Caldwell Pax which can be read in the above link in part seems to indicate the ritual that grants these powers involves binding a demon into a mortal body.
Lynch does this by enticing a demon with a human sacrifice for it feed upon before trapping and harvesting that demon
However I would take this account with a grain of salt.
As it's included in a fictionalization of the events described and we know from the Borhime lore that the events in Hayden Collin's books do not always line up with what actually happened.
Broad strokes are usually accurate if not fine details.
As for the other bosses.
The Butcherwas a taxidermy meathead restored to life by the Sculptor that turned on it's human creator
Yes I meant the Butcher
Yes
That is the million dollar question.
We're not just killing the bosses, we're banishing them back to Hell. To the realm from wince they came
How demons enter into our realm is not exactly clear. So how they are able to return to our realm after being banished is unknown.
I personally think that someone on ourside is holding the door open for them
But this is just speculation on my part
What exactly bounty tokens are isn't know either precisely, whatever they are Huff and Finch want them. I suspect they're connected to what ever schemes they have mentioned in this lore post
Anyway I've got a Mid Term to work on so if you have any other questions I invite my compatriots to answer them
rustic hearth
I think it was a bunch of hunters that got fused together
Sculptor, he basically copy-pastes all the enemies across the bayou. Thats why all the hives, immolators, meatheads etc all look the same, they were all copied from an original template.
rotund ferry
Sculptor, he basically copy-pastes all the enemies across the bayou. Thats why a...
In short, the sculptor is a lazy game dev?
tall cloud
Could it be possible this Sculptor is a member of the AHA like The Researcher?
tawny rock
In short, the sculptor is a lazy game dev?
Well, when you put it that way...
rotund ferry
Well, when you put it that way...
Was just making a joke
rotund ferry
I can only imagine how the job interview with a legendary hunter must go
“Sooo uh, do you have experience?”
silence
pulls out shrunken head
“Alrighty then”
rustic hearth
Lmao
junior pecan
Could it be possible this Sculptor is a member of the AHA like The Researcher?
Shouldnt be. But yes
Too many things pointing away from that potential
vocal ridge
is there any chance we will ever get answers to the questions we have? possibly through a sequel or something?
vocal ridge
yeah
anyone else think a single-player game focused on the lore could be amazing? playing as one of the first hunters or something...
i mean crytek has some pretty good single player games... crysis, ryse,
earnest jungle
I think a Co-op game in the vain of the cancelled Hunt: Horrors of the Gilded Age would be better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MuKfi-FlKQ
candid shoal
I was actually just thinking about other games that could build on Hunt: Showdown before I caught up on messages. I saw it mentioned somewhere a while ago that the Louisiana Event is only one of many events throughout the ages where supernatural things have appeared in the world and Hunters dealt with them. So, I started thinking that maybe Hunt could become a franchise. We have Hunt: Showdown, Showdown alluding to the setting and the cowboy showdowns we have during our Hunts. This game covers the Louisiana Event, so others could cover different, new ones. For example, maybe a game set in the Middle Ages, with swords and shields and the like, and it could be called something like Hunt: The Lost Crusade or other. Plenty of other time periods could be covered too.
earnest jungle
With that said however I think the Dev teams energies would be best spent on creating content for this game as opposed to creating spin off games and sequels.
Better to focus on what is as opposed to what could have been and what might be.
candid shoal
Yeah, of course. Just fun to think about
late tinsel
I would definitely like to see a lore-riddled series of duo missions in addition to trials, but I’m happy with what we have.
vocal ridge
Better to focus on what is as opposed to what could have been and what might be.
I guess, but im hoping that this game created/creates enough revenue so we can get a spin off!
rustic hearth
I was actually just thinking about other games that could build on Hunt: Showdow...
So the black masses
junior pecan
I would bet hundreds that the lore isnt as concise and thought out as we all hope and dream it is. Best bet is someone makes a spiritual successor, possibly in a different media format, that looks into what made this universe so cool
earnest jungle
Always doom and gloom with you prowler
main shard
Hey is there a lore reason behind why there's so many Russian guns in the game? I say "so many" despite their being only two, yet that's still a lot for a game that takes place in America, 1895 and '96. The Mosin nagant had only been made 4/5 years prior and the Nagant pistol was JUST adopted by the Russian army in 1895. It seems very unlikely they would be exported in such high numbers to the US of A.
They're a very odd choice for a cowboy shoot'em'up when there's TONS of better, more authentic options for firearms
As far as I know on Imperial Russian foreign policy in the 1890s (which is very little), their main ally was France and the only interaction with the United States I could think of off the top of my head was when they sold Alaska in 1867
rustic hearth
@main shard The AHA imports exotic weapons and stuff
earnest jungle
Hey is there a lore reason behind why there's so many Russian guns in the game? ...
The Carcass Gunrunner smuggles guns into and around the country using the bodies of pigs, cattle, and other livestock.
civic nexus
Is there more lore about the initiation ritual for the AHA? They mention it a couple times and some kind of serum and Ritual blood, but do we have more information on that somewhere?
rustic hearth
Is there more lore about the initiation ritual for the AHA? They mention it a co...
All we know is that it involves demon blood pretty much
faint island
@main shard Read 'Guns for the Tsar'. The Americans gave the Russian Empire the ability to begin large-scale domestic arms production in earnest. They even adopted an American design as their standard-issue infantry rifle.
shrewd shell
The crow looka like its made of wood
wintry root
<@!241772193313325056> Read 'Guns for the Tsar'. The Americans gave the Russian ...
ah yes, the Berdan
faint island
Precisely. They also ordered about 40,000 Model 3 revolvers in 1871.
But most of this is American stuff going to Russia and not the other way around. I can't remember if there was any justification for the choice of weapon other than that the Mosin fit their gameplay requirements more than any of the other rifles of the time period.
wintry root
lore reasons
basically, hunters from around the world come to the LouVent because something special is going on
also explains the lebel
and a whole bunch a other stuff
faint island
But your Hunter still buys the weapons after arriving in Louisiana, ostensibly.
Only T3's come with rifles like the Mosin and Lebel iirc?
wheat arrow
there's the gunrunner, who probably smuggles the guns into the country
junior pecan
But most of this is American stuff going to Russia and not the other way around....
If it were later in history the abundance of mosins would make perfect sense, but that’s after the multiple revolutions
earnest jungle
I’ve just realized something. In the Huntverse Sharpshooters are going to be known as Sparkshooters.
As the word sharp shooter originates from soldiers in the civil war assigned Sharps rifles
lyric arrow
No it doesn't
@earnest jungle that's a myth
The word "Sharpshooter" is recorded to be older than the sharps rifle itself
it's pretty much taken from the german word "Scharfschütze"
Which translates to sharpshooter literally, "scharf" - sharp and "Schütze" - shooter
The word "Scharfschütze" can be found recorded pretty early around 1781, Sharpshooters were a thing in the british army in 1800/1801 and the Sharps rifle was patentet first in 1848.
icy brook
But Berdan’s sharpsshooters did popularize the term in English speaking America
Although the life of Cristian Sparks is an interesting lore topic
wintry root
If it were later in history the abundance of mosins would make perfect sense, bu...
more like after WW1. Remington and Westinghouse built a fuccton on Mosins for the Russians, and a lot of them stayed stateside and were used by the U.S. army as training rifles. Some National Guard units were outfitted with them. A lot were converted into .30-06. A decent number were sold to civillians later under the Civillian Marksmanship Program
junior pecan
more like after WW1. Remington and Westinghouse built a fuccton on Mosins for th...
The majority of them got dumped after lenin took power in russia because he refused to pay for the orders filled out by colt and others for the old regime, so the US government went ahead and bought them.
Could be totally wrong though
wintry root
pretty much what happened, yes
royal pond
I would imagine the Krag would have been more common than Mosin Lebel?
wintry root
not really? the Krag just barely entered U.S. production by LouVent
It is a "m1892", but serious production didn't really start untill years later.
C&Rsenal's video on the Krag explains why very well
Lebel is 9/10 years old at that point, and was also sold commercially (in the French colonies) without the bayonet lug. Although that might have been later, idk
and mosin is uhhhh
model already existed for Hunt: Horrors of a gilded age so they likely just reused it lmao. it was produced faster than the krag iirc.
tough hatch
What hunters do you think hunt with each other?
cold badger
the Zhong Kui dlc hunters
rotund ferry
What if there was a lore entry from the Redneck POV where he tried to fire nitro rounds from a Caldwell Rival
hollow granite
Weird sister and Bone doctor I believe would hunt together
She earned her right and was reborn as the weird sister
polar fable
Also Felis
Hope they’ll add some more lore characters as legendary hunters, such as russel chambers, John victor, and so on
keen token
Based on some of the easter eggs I am lead to believe that Marty McFly and Doc Brown caused the problems in the bayou or at least influenced them by mistake
Though easter egg hunting in this game has been fun
hollow granite
Ooh I thought Felis was like. A bad guy or something
Shes just a deadly hunter though, right?
Thats why she has that skull on her head to show others that shes fierce
polar fable
Well she’s said to be a colleague or bone doctor sooo
hollow granite
True, true
But I swore it said something about her being like. Sinister. Idk I havent read her lore in a hot second
rotund ferry
Question
Who are the quote en quote “bad guys” and quote en quote “good guys” in the hunt lore?
polar fable
Almost everyone is bad to some extent, but there are a couple of people who are generally considered to be good - the researcher and russel chambers
rotund ferry
Almost everyone is bad to some extent, but there are a couple of people who are ...
That’s why I said quote en quote
What makes them the good guys doe?
polar fable
Well I guess they don’t kill other people unless needed, chambers feels particularly sorry about hunters fighting each other and is definitely sorry about his infected friend he had to kill, so he seems like a good guy overall. The researcher, well, he does some research on the creatures and helps hunters fight them, not sure he’s interested in fighting people. But the devs can change it if they want to, just like they did with Hardin
rotund ferry
Wot did they do to Hardin? Also if the Researcher doesn’t wanna fight then why is he in the bayou?
lyric arrow
Well he can try to be fighting the creatures and not other Hunters
icy brook
The reverend could be considered a “good” guy on the same grounds as brewer and marshal, they seem more interested in killing targets and infected rather than other hunters, again their means are questionable if not outright objectively wrong, but their ends do seem to be for the greater good
hollow granite
Idk I kinda feel bad for the bone doctor. Wasnt he blamed for all of this infection happening?
Sorry if I get my info wrong. Havent read their stories in a while
sinful trout
Im back for a brief moment
junior pecan
Well I guess they don’t kill other people unless needed, chambers feels particul...
Chambers punched him in the face with a stolen and irreversibly altered possession of his
rotund ferry
Do we know anything about who black coat was before he became a hunter?
He sounded like an overall scoundrel however
junior pecan
He sounded like an overall scoundrel however
Thats it
rotund ferry
Thats it
So zero specifics? The devs just said “you see this guy? He was an overall asshole. Next!”
junior pecan
So zero specifics? The devs just said “you see this guy? He was an overall assho...
He’s supposed to be mysterious or some shit like that
Lynch knew who he was
rotund ferry
Lynch knew who he was
I see
And she hasn’t bothered to disclose anything
Watch him be like some esteemed businessman or whatever
Like Batman but in reverse
But I’d say that Black Coat was one of the antagonists of the Hunt storyline
(Edited for post mortem)
He must also be relatively old, seeing as he had two children who were fully grown by his death
rustic hearth
Based on some of the easter eggs I am lead to believe that Marty McFly and Doc B...
Are you serious?! Where can I find these I'm actually curious now
keen token
Are you serious?! Where can I find these I'm actually curious now
Barn north of Lawson Station and east of blanc brinery has a barn with a DeLorean under a car cover. Then there is a chalk board i think was in arden parish with a time travel diagram
rustic hearth
Barn north of Lawson Station and east of blanc brinery has a barn with a DeLorea...
I never knew about that
Thats my headcanon now lmao
polar fable
Chambers punched him in the face with a stolen and irreversibly altered possessi...
Well yeah but he did so because he was frustrated and wanted to see if that makes a difference, not because he liked taking things from people and pinching them in the face
junior pecan
Well yeah but he did so because he was frustrated and wanted to see if that ma...
It came across to me like sadistic pleasure
heavy trellis
Is there a place with like a cursory explanation of the lore outside of the monstorvm and armaments book?
rotund ferry
@inland gazelle the phantom hunts folks for sport????
rotund ferry
Is there any good lore videos on YouTube?
finite zodiac
huh, i didn't even know we had lores. anyone wanna give me the 411
amber harbor
Theres a beginners guide in the pinned comments and also a google doc with all lore entries from book of weapons
finite zodiac
ay, thanks buddy @amber harbor
inland gazelle
@rotund ferry darn, I just realised that came from one of the fan made videos for the film contest last year, my bad
old helm
Is there any good lore videos on YouTube?
I recommend liisin for the bosses there's only 3 videos he's made so far but they are nice to listen to
I think psychoghost did a few aswell but I'm not sure
rotund ferry
I recommend liisin for the bosses there's only 3 videos he's made so far but the...
Thanks :)
copper dust
Whats the hanging man at scupper mean ?
earnest jungle
Whats the hanging man at scupper mean ?
No one’s quite sure but I have some theories:
• The inhabitant of the Scupper Lake got trapped and killed themselves.
• As society collapsed people turned on each other and the survivors began lynching each other.
• The more sociopathic hunters decided they weren’t going to finish off the survivors with a bullet or a blade, but with a rope.
I would honestly not put it past some of the more sociopathic hunters to hang survivors who stuck around to long for their own amusement.
copper dust
ah nice thanks
fossil drum
Maybe it was bait?
earnest jungle
I would also not put it past the more sociopathic hunters to hang survivors as bait for monsters.
rotund ferry
So all the survivors are either evacuated or dead?
earnest jungle
Pretty much
If you didn’t get while the getting is good you’re either: infected, dead, or initiated into the hunt
frank iris
Anyone unlocked the new Winfield Centenial and Terminus pages and wants to share the lore or screenshots?
I know it's about the cougars
frank iris
which is a potential teaser of a new enemy maybe
yes
I got terminus ones
don't have the centennial
I'd share but I prestiged and it's locked again
restive patrol
I c, personally I believe they might reveal the new ai on the devstream about the new boss (cuz you can't fill an entire devstream about one boss imo)
frank iris
Maybe
I didn't read all the pages
since I didn't want to spoil too much
terminus ones are from page 3 to 5
I'd love to read the 1 2 from centennial first tho xD
I know it mentions Janna and the other girl (from lemat dual wield skins)
and felis
restive patrol
makes sense for felis to be mentioned
frank iris
ye
they're hunting a beast that is haunting a city or smth
they're paid by the winfield company bussiness man or something
restive patrol
interesting
frank iris
and the monster they are hunting
is a pouncing from the bushes cougar
that gets killed by two headshots
confirmed it's not a boss xD
I'll send all the pages here once I unlock them. Long way though to bloodline 64 from 4
stuck quiver
How do grunts who have a significant amount of flesh missing from their head and chest, die from a single knife stab to the upper torso. Do the hunters have some sort of ritual that make them more effective against the undead? Does this have something to do with the fact that they are weak to poison?
amber harbor
im pretty sure hunters die to upper torso knife too
icy brook
As one would
rotund ferry
Is this the trick shooter POV?
frank iris
no idea
just unlocked it
will read it tommorrow
it's 12pm rn xD
Terminus Lore
rotund ferry
@frank iris
frank iris
dunno
nimble quiver
Are we going to Monongahela in the next map? I looked up 1900s pics and couldnt find much, but if there was gold mining it might be the answer
And also might be a tease towards a 5th boss with the new map instead of a new AI
icy brook
Thanks for the lore drops guys, cheers to both of y’all
Jana and ethyl both appear in one of the lemat legendary descriptions, they’re trick riders in Carter’s show
earnest jungle
So for those Wondering Teche is a bayou in Louisiana. The exact etymology of the Bayou is unknown but it might mean Snake.
Monongahelaen Forrest is also a real place it seams.
Seems to be what we’re reading is an attempted reconstruction at the events of the Louisiana Incident after the fact.
Originally the lore for the Louisiana Events as complied in the Scrap Book indicated what we were reading was complied years after the fact. Which seems to be still true. Only difference is this is being compiled years after the fact instead of decades.
Marlinton is also a real freaking town
Thought the history is finctionalized
amber harbor
I feel called out
daring current
sleek crest
good now?? 😄
hollow tiger
Much better.
icy brook
buoyant kestrel
Out of curiosity does anyone know what happened to the hand crossbow poison entry with this update removing it as a whole?
icy brook
lapis tundra
finally
woeful zinc
have you noticed new boss has the same outfit has the legendary skin "Bone doctor"
could this mean he can morph into hunter skins to bait people out or maybe its just hes normal outfit
tall lava
It's not the same outfit
Similar with a quick glance
But you can see feathers coming out of it etc.
woeful zinc
true
tall lava
And Bone doctor has individual bones hanging from his neck while in the boss pic it has a full ribcage
woeful zinc
still, the way the hunter shot it and then it gets destroyed like if it was some sort of puppet makes me think he can trick us with clones or something around the boss lair
but yeah, its not the same outfit
mb
earnest jungle
Winfield Centennial Lore
Have you unlocked part 5 yet?
earnest jungle
No the last one you submitted ends with 4/5
earnest jungle
Aokay
frank iris
I thought I send that
It's terminus
handcannon
I have it
But I didn't unlock it that prestige I think
lemme check
earnest jungle
Upload it when you can
frank iris
don't have it :/
I am at rank 93
I don't think I'll ge it that prestige
will try tho
I might sit a bit on that prestige tho 🙂
candid shoal
still, the way the hunter shot it and then it gets destroyed like if it was some...
Bit late, but isn't the teaser trailer for an event coming alongside the new boss? I noticed it said March 24th - April 12th at the end. So maybe the puppet things are gonna be like the pumpkins and presents, where we'll find them around the map to destroy for Event Points. Or you could be right and it might be decoys the boss creates
icy brook
My theory is that upon shooting a decoy the crow will move buildings within the same compound
Also it wouldn’t surprise me if we get a round of crow themed skins
earnest jungle
I wager that means next week we’re getting the livestream
Theory time: the wild cat isn’t a cougar it’s a house cat enhanced by the infection.
House cats have a habit of imitating the behaviors they see as a form of bonding. It’s why cats laying on people’s keyboards or books
That would also explain why it started out by leaving birds and mice: the typical prey of house cats
As it grew larger it attacked larger and larger prey.
Alternatively the cougar may have been a young cub. That grew supernaturally fast and that the cougar killed by Ethyl and Jana was not the true monster but either a parent or child of the monster. Which might explain how Red was able to survive so long.
rustic lichen
What was the name of the association that put the hunters in the bayou?
icy brook
American Hunter Association
rustic lichen
Thank you
wintry root
I wonder what the innitiation syrum, and the subsequent use of Dark Sight, does to a human's mind/psyche.
hollow wolf
I wonder what the innitiation syrum, and the subsequent use of Dark Sight, does ...
I wouldn't be surprised if it made them a bit psychotic given how much the Hunters love killing each other as much as they kill their bounties.
amber harbor
well you have to be in a certain state of mind to inject some demon blood in your veins in the first place
icy brook
I’m sure it’s a degenerative process, or at least a mind altering one
earnest jungle
I wonder what the innitiation syrum, and the subsequent use of Dark Sight, does ...
Well we’ve seem what happens: people slowly deteriorate and eventually become the monsters they fought against. Russel Chambers is proof of this. As both the Bear and Hunter are shown to have steadily lost their minds and become more and more similar to the infected they fight.
Not to mention in Part 2 of the Pax entry the serum is described as a cure almost as bad as the disease.
This post from the hunters desk seems to indicate the serum works by combining the blood of humans and demons
The demon blood transforms the human host and in doing so grants the ability to track, kill, and banish other demons.
Infecting, transforming, and gradually destroying the human blood cells if the picture above is correct.
Also Sheriff Hardin is down right monstrous this is a side note completely irrelevant to anything but he is down right vicious
rotund ferry
Is there an lore-wise explanation for why hunters lose health when dying?
do part of their souls die?
frank iris
I don't think it is anything lore related, just an implementation to don't make perma death
dunno though
fiery forge
But wasnt it lynch that taught hunters the importance of burning bodies?
severe mulch
Is there an lore-wise explanation for why hunters lose health when dying?
I'd like to know what exactly you mean by that. Hunters lose health when dying.
Or at least what you're referring to.
rotund ferry
I'd like to know what exactly you mean by that. Hunters lose health when dying.
When you go down, one of your bars get removed as well
severe mulch
Ah, that's what you meant. No indication towards the lore so far for that. Personally i treat it purely as a mechanic and as a fact that you have not died, but are unable to continue without the assistance of a fellow hunter. Again, no indication towards lore. At least none I've seen so far.
rustic hearth
Huh
regal ingot
@severe mulch I'll have to look for it, it either was in a lore unlock I read or it was in a developer conversation somewhere. Downed hunters are dead, both lore and mechanics wise. Rezing a team mate in game lore wise in bringing back someone from the dead.
rotund ferry
<@183600903381581825> I'll have to look for it, it either was in a lore unlock I...
Wait, so if someone like Reverend dies in game they’re dead lorewise?
Doesn’t that make literally zero sense
I always thought that they canonically don’t die
Like they’re just 2 gud
regal ingot
Hey Dutch, that's not really what I meant. I meant that rezzing is a mechanic and in lore it is bringing them back from the dead. Granted legendary hunters kind of require some suspension of disbelief.
severe mulch
<@183600903381581825> I'll have to look for it, it either was in a lore unlock I...
Then perhaps we're refering to the same method that lynch used in order to keep her subject alive? Can't remember which entry it is.
rotund ferry
Hey Dutch, that's not really what I meant. I meant that rezzing is a mechanic a...
Ohhh I see
regal ingot
Especially since lore wise some of them are already dead. Black Coat was killed by the twins and Hardin I believe was killed by Lynch.
regal ingot
No worries Dutch, I didn't take it as such.
rotund ferry
But normally they just fucking cap anyone that raises a gun against them unless it is necessary they die for lore reasons
Right?
regal ingot
Yeah, most of the legendaries in the Lore are pretty hard core.
regal ingot
Haha.
rotund ferry
Because he’s the father of the twins
No I’m serious
Did he just... create children?
Is he not human?
Can he switch genders like a slug and self propagate?
I have so many questions
regal ingot
I know Black Coat killed the twins' uncle and then they killed him. I may not have the lore unlocked that talks about him as the dad. I prestige mostly when I hit 100 so most of the Mosin line lore isn't open for me yet.
Neither are some of the higher end unlocks I don't play regularly.
rotund ferry
“You killed my father uncle. Prepare to die.”
regal ingot
haha
rotund ferry
I know black coat did
Well
Mods no like memes here apparently
So I deleted it
But its relevant to my point
gritty fern
God I would actually kill for Crytek to do a shameless plugin of the 1999 film Ravenous and add a Wendigo boss
Completely humanoid, have it run as fast as hunters can and give it the ability to eat dead players to regain its health
rotund ferry
Like, fully dead right?
Because if u die while fighting that dude and that fucker just goes nom and gets back to full HP I’d flip
Because I’m perma-dead
My teammates have more work
gritty fern
Dead with no one that can rez you
rotund ferry
And down a man which kinda goes with point 1
gritty fern
Maybe if you still can be revived you just lose a chunk and he gets a portion back
rotund ferry
Would be cool tho
earnest jungle
Especially since lore wise some of them are already dead. Black Coat was killed...
Hardin very much survives the outbreak: Hardin, John Victor/Voelkel, William Carter, Harold Black, and T Collins at a bate minimum must have survived at bare minimum because their interviews clearly occur well after the events described occurred.
earnest jungle
Who did blacc coat do the sex with
“The Mother left them before they were born. Internal bleeding. External bleeding. The father left them shortly afterwards. It wasn't the labor that killed her.” - As Bad As They Seam Part 1 (Combat Axe 1/2)
According to Collins, Lynch told the twins that Durant killed their mother.
rotund ferry
But why?
Black coat literally had no point in doing that
Is it that he viewed having children as a detriment to his end plan?
Whatever that was?
Something tells me black coat was scheming something
He was being an evil scheming man
Who was making schemes
earnest jungle
I think it’s more than a coincidence that Lynch new who the Twins were, knew who there father was, and knew he killed their mother
rustic hearth
Especially since lore wise some of them are already dead. Black Coat was killed...
Wait if they are canonically dead how do we play as them?
earnest jungle
Game play and story separation
granite marlin
rotund ferry
They say that Lynch was the only one to know Black coat’s true identity yes?
I wonder if that will ever be disclosed
Also out of all the hunters which one do u think is the richest
I think the person who actually has a place to live is The Phantom
All the other hunters basically live in the Bayou
earnest jungle
Timothy Stone is the richest. He has a mansion and a butler in New York and he profits off of the Hunt by selling the dead identities of hunters to other hunters.
rotund ferry
Wait what really?
I mean I guess it makes sense
He’s stingy as fuck
I wonder if we’ll ever get Skinflints butler in the game lol
Is his butler aware of the bayou exploits that his employer gets up to?
And if a life of hoarding money gets you a mansion then that doesn’t sound so bad lol
earnest jungle
Seems to be, at the very least he knows his boss kills people for a living
lost marsh
Can someone explain why special ammos boxes say UwU on them?
icy brook
It’s the text provided by the dev team that is used by the American Hunters Association
The boxes say AHA on them
scarlet copper
the AHA is nothing official in regard of the american governement
it's more of an amalgam of cultist and misfit if I understand
the UwU is in a demonic thongue used in theyre rituals
hardy cargo
I believe it’s just another font or maybe another language, here’s a thing I found that gives a translation of sorts
It’s called Voynich in the wikis
icy brook
I believe it’s just another font or maybe another language, here’s a thing I fou...
Thanks for providing that, I was searching for some time but couldn’t find it lol
hardy cargo
Thanks for providing that, I was searching for some time but couldn’t find it lo...
Glad I could help! Haven’t really added to anything in this chat and just been compiling information
hardy cargo
I come back with a question. That being, do we know under what circumstances something changes? Like in the Assassin's case he was still normal and it seemed like his transformation didn't kill him unlike in the Hive's situation since he was still hunting and drinking from what I remember. I know that Hunter's Blood after the initiation seems to transform things in the case of the Meathead and Waterdevil and that the initiation seems to be a bit of cure and a disease at the same time but I'm having trouble understanding why it happens and under what conditions.
random lava
Thanks for providing that, I was searching for some time but couldn’t find it lo...
It is pinned here in this channel
rich swan
This may be off topic and I apologise for that, but holy crap, Nixa has a blue name now. Congrats
hardy cargo
Oh he’s right it was pinned...welp
icy brook
Yeah I missed it lol
wintry root
I believe it’s just another font or maybe another language, here’s a thing I fou...
The "Voynich" font used in Hunt uses a small selection of characters found in the as of yet undeciphred Voynich Manuscript.
plain zenith
Hey! I'd like to start a Hunt'Comic book Fan made, can anyone help me by giving me a summary of the three (four?) bosses story
please?
frank iris
bosses stories are complicated
i've read them all
and I am still unsure if I got it right
plain zenith
same here!
Butcher is ataxidermist meathead
Spider a crazy experiment
but i wonder if there is something deeper
are they some devil avatar?
frank iris
Assasin is Vincent that was a human once bust slowly transformated
every boss has a meaning
unsure about details
I know that spider is there to keep everything under control if anything goes wrong
devouring the bad parts of the infection
or something
for the Sculptor
rustic hearth
Spider a crazy experiment
Im pretty sure they were all bodies that were buried in a mass grave that were somehow fused together by the sculptor
frank iris
His/Her face is of a little girl from town
and it spits fucking poison
unsure what to say xD
plain zenith
i was thinking about the sculptor too. He might not be the only powerfull beeing having a strong influence on Hunt's world
rustic hearth
I think its implied that there are multiple Sculptors
frank iris
There's also a big freaking Snake
that is "good" in the lore
and fights with the Sculptor as far as I got it
You can read more about it from "Bad as They Seem" story from the weapon book
plain zenith
thanks, can i find the weapon book on the pinnedpost?
frank iris
if you want to read some lore
I can link you a pretty good steam guide
wait a sec
It's too much to read it all at once
But these are sorted pretty well
to read
plain zenith
thanks a lot
earnest jungle
The Spider was created by Dr Reed. Reed became infected and turned on his fellow survivors. Killing disemboweling, and cannibalizing their bodies. When John buried them it allowed them to be twisted together by the Sculptor to create the spider
earnest jungle
Hey does anyone have the Winfield Striker mastery? It’s neither on the wiki nor in the lore doc
I suspect the Irish Women is Lynch or Marshall Brewer
However as Lynch is an Irish name I suspect it is Lynch
icy brook
I’m fairly certain Lynch is the Irish woman sometimes referenced
acoustic kernel
the new boss can be based on the raven mocker in Cherokee legend
I have seen the crow boss it can be the raven mocker. but I can be wrong about the boss
earnest jungle
I have seen the crow boss it can be the raven mocker. but I can be wrong about t...
The Crow Boss is based on Don Kringle from Episode 9 of None Piece.
rustic hearth
Lmao
earnest jungle
So I am going to compile a list of all of the Lore Entries that need to be added to the wiki:
Guns:
• Winfield 1873c Vandal Stryker Mastery
• Winfield 1876 Mastery 1
• Winfield 1876 Mastery 2
• Winfield 1887 Terminus Mastery 1
Ammunition
All of them. As I have some of the ammo in an hour or so I will edit and upload the pictures I have to the wiki.
wintry root
Imma try to get the vandal, I really enjoy playing with it. Its cheap, responsive and that feeling you gey when you double tap people with it is sooo goood
earnest jungle
Oooh I am such an idiot. Jane as in Calamity Jand
signal heart
Heya. Since you all are the closest to Hunt's lore, I wanted to drop this link here for a job opening we have right now. Maybe there is somebody among you would wants to apply...maybe you know somebody whose writing and experience would be a good fit. Really happy to have the link shared around, or to answer any questions. I have to disappear now, but I will stop back in tomorrow to answer any questions that might come up. Cheers
https://www.crytek.com/career/offers/overview/frankfurt-germany/design-content/narrative-designer
earnest jungle
If I weren’t still in college and living on another continent.
rustic hearth
So are we getting some actual dedicated lore 👀
amber harbor
cold badger
hunt singleplayer confirm????????
wintry root
would be interesting for sure
rotund ferry
Curiously, the job isn't listed for any specific project, but Crytek in general.
icy brook
Damn that offering sounds super nice though
harsh gale
whats the lore behind hive bees flying through walls?
eternal crystal
whats the lore behind hive bees flying through walls?
Well bees can be living inside your walls irl so getting throught sounds like something they could do, but if you mean on the tecichal side of the game, that's something else 
solar monolith
Aliens
turbid latch
Heya. Since you all are the closest to Hunt's lore, I wanted to drop this link h...
It's a bummer about the coding skills. I'd apply for this in a heartbeat otherwise 😦
eternal crystal
It's a bummer about the coding skills. I'd apply for this in a heartbeat otherwi...
Get out there and get them code skills 
But foreal i feel you
tall lava
if(Bu == Mad)
{
print(":BuMad:")
}
eternal crystal
flint moss
Heya. Since you all are the closest to Hunt's lore, I wanted to drop this link h...
I am absolutely putting my application in later today
icy brook
Nice man, hope you get it
icy brook
Some of the names found on the cases of the new legendary Sparks are kind of intriguing
flint moss
Heya. Since you all are the closest to Hunt's lore, I wanted to drop this link h...
Usually I'd avoid @hoary barn developers, but quick question: Do you think its good to limit myself to the requested 3 pieces, or would it look better to include more?
and for you lore nerds, whaddaya think, in my Crytek application, should I include my headcanon Hunt fanfiction? xD
hoary barn
Hard maybe chief
flint moss
Lololol i did this same thing to you before, im sorry
earnest jungle
I would recommend trying to maintain a certain level of professionalism in this application. But you do you.
flint moss
I would recommend trying to maintain a certain level of professionalism in this ...
Yeah, im not trying to scare anyone off with fanboy antics
earnest jungle
Try to find a professional way of presenting your theories, and support them with textual evidence where possible.
If you have the abilities you just have to find a way to market them.
eternal crystal
Do you guys think the reasoning behind the sculptors creation of monsters within man, could be a manifest of our tainted emotions? Some sort of punishment for our misguides?
We were talking about why babies/children are not seemingly in the game and seeing it lore-wise(look away from obvious rules in what you can allow in video games) that these minds are not yet tainted with human emotions, or at least not emotions that they have chosen to go by
Maybe in some shape or form the sculptor is an entity far greater than a simple monster, but something greater and closer to a god
Correct me if i'm wrong on some points, but i'm just being curious to dig more into it
tall lava
@eternal crystal Meathead is a baby of a hunter though
eternal crystal
<@146235089519378432> Meathead is a baby of a hunter though
Baby of a hunter can make sense as it comes from a person who has been"touched", so i can see that work it's way around, but not all babies comes from hunters.
And not all babies and children can be pure maybe? maybe there is something within the lines of mind and spirit
Why someone is more submissive when it comes to other worldly entities
tall lava
Idk man I'm only used to shoes and bones with you and my brain is not functioning at work
eternal crystal
That's my secret diiba
You all let your guard down
And when you don't expect it
I kill all
tall lava
If tainted people get sculpted then why is Nixa still fine
eternal crystal
And since nobody checks this channel
tall lava
Checkmate
eternal crystal
You can never prove it
eternal crystal
If tainted people get sculpted then why is Nixa still fine
Have you seen nixa
tall lava
earnest jungle
Why do you get the feeling ya’ll are dropping hints?
But you might be onto something about strong negative emotions.
The spider was created as a result of the collective suffering of a group of survivors being tortured to death.
As Mr. D'aunoy created what would become the butcher his mind took him to thoughts of revenge against the judgmental people who expelled him from the town
And the first time we see the Assassin we see him enraged at the lynching of 11 Italian Immigrants.
So I think strong negative emotions are connected to this all somehow
Not to mention all of the lore posts about the compounds that focus on people with strong negative emotions typically resentment of ones neighbors or greed
eternal crystal
Yeah, it's just a theory. It would be amazing to work on lore, but i'm just gonna turn insane and start believing in it myself xD
Yes, was also looking into psychosomatic death and what usage the sculptor could have in it. As he may not be more than a type of entity
but that is a theory i have not started getting into
so i have no more toughts around it
earnest jungle
My theory is that while the infection can be cured or treated in its early stages it will either eventually kill the host and turn them into a grunt or a marked.