lore-discussion

[junior pecan]

@white pasture if the portals were closed, successive hunters would not be able to use clues more than once

This isnt a collective effort. The majority of hunters are here purely for self interest. If there was a legitimate task that needed completion, the parties involved wouldn’t let themselves fall into disarray so easily

[white pasture]

Why do you keep saying "biomass" when obviously that is secondary. If it was about biomass livestock and plant matter composes a majority of it and it isn't used. Its also specifically stated this is merely the Louisiana chapter of the AHA. And we know "demon hunters" from foreign lands also exist.

Also the rifts close for certain when a boss is banished. Though it looks like hunters themselves open rifts, (breaking open clues). But at least some members of the AHA can and do close them.

[junior pecan]

@white pasture all the livestock is mysteriously absent (already dead, repurposed, and banished), all the bugs, fish, and cattle are lying around as corpses. Insects and pig corpses in particular happen to be extremely prevalent in boss lairs.

Loa probably cant metabolize plants. If my causation for their evolution is accurate then there wouldnt be enough nutrients in the “soil” of their reality to foster plantlife. That is a very good point you make though, worth noting.

The other organizations respond to similar threats, but all the previous rifts have been attempts to steal spiritual energy i would guess. Souls and what not.

Lastly, what basis for the closure of rifts do you have? What inclines you to believe that rifts are shut when a boss is banished, my own theories on that in particular are the exact opposite, and have what i consider very believable rationale backing them

[haughty urchin]

why do hunters fight each other

[amber harbor]

Same as the players: he shot first, i want the bounty for myself, pure bloodlust

[livid thicket]

Sometimes it works out. It's not just bloodlust, it's about distrust in the other hunters. It's like Rust.

[amber harbor]

some ppl just go for gunfights

[heady cobalt]

nothing beats killing your fellow worker

[exotic yoke]

@junior pecan i have yet to read through your mirror theory but form following this conversation, i have to point out that a lot of your argumentation is based on follow-up assumtions.. for example the fact that this event is somehow special, or your point about armored horses

im not saying you are wrong about those, but that those are - maybe even likely assumptions, but not really set in stone completely

"Lastly, what basis for the closure of rifts do you have? What inclines you to believe that rifts are shut when a boss is banished" - after a banish was started, all rifts in the area are down, not giving off light in dark vision and cant be used by hunters

also, i still haven't understood your reasoning for why its impossible that the AHA is containing the outbreak.

its true that the "being" resulting the event (grunts, or in this case specifically mentioned water devils) could probably move out - but again we can just assume here. It is just as likely that those being are all dependant on the sculptors influence. Since his influence caused the disease, there is some form of indirect interaction in our part of the world in those areas already infected. It is likely that the altered lifeforms are dependant on this presence of his interaction. Finch also mentions that the numbers seem to grow, and how he is sending more and more hunters to their death trying to go against that - sounds a lot like trying to contain shit

also, you assume that every creature involved in this event (be it human or not) is working on perfect rational reasoning. But that doesn't have to be true at all. Especially on the human part of it. Even starting to try and work with demons is usually a sign of lack of rationality and might just as well be what started at least some of it. It of course went to shit and probably completely against the initial goal the human had in mind, but that doesn't mean that its unlikely

oh and another follow up question about your theory:

If the Sculptor is after Biomass, and is in fact this clever about everything that he made this perfect plan in which he even predicts and somewhat crontrols the AHA's movement, why wouldn't he be on a conquering quest for even more biomass? why would he be so content with the bayou?

[neon abyss]

one cannot comprehend the motives of such beings

[amber harbor]

i always saw the sculptor as a summoning ritual gone wrong, and with luoisiana being the hotspot of voodoo and it being the closest to actual truth, it would kinda make sense that it would stay around the area it was summoned

[junior pecan]

@exotic yoke the stable rift cannot be expanded or moved. It is fixed in the bayou, no actor of this play can influence such a quantum phenomenon as that.

Even if he could, this sort of an operation would be an insane amount of logistics compared to what i imagine previous incursions into our reality had been like

@neon abyss viewing spiritual ideas in a material sense is the main theme of Hunt, this trope goes out the window when so much of abats is about lynch. But thats a whole lot of metanarritive, best not to get into it

[neon abyss]

I'm saying it's best to not overthink the motives of something that can do all that's been done in those bayous

[junior pecan]

And im saying the game literally inclines you to do so. Its the natural progression of everything we learn about rituals

[neon abyss]

I haven't seen it like that, I think of it like a puzzle and all the pieces ain't there and I'm not gonna start worrying about the big picture while I don't have all the pieces

I'll think about the context of the pieces I do have and where they fit in all this

But the sculptor is an alien entity that probably isn't thinking in a way that is understandable at this moment

[junior pecan]

Think about the greater concept of hunt. How it takes religious scripture and spiritual beliefs and makes them an objective reality. That’s the theme, that’s why speculation on these things isn’t marred by the typical “well its a demon so its just evil and theres nothing more to it” you get from something simplistic like ghostbusters

Religion is already about interpretation, the theme just implies a guaranteed result

[neon abyss]

That's overthinking it, I'm saying it has a goal but not one that's gonna make sense

Not all things have proper answers

[junior pecan]

And im saying hunt has a repeat tendency of focusing on things of questionable veracity (religion) and implying or showing that they have a very real and proper answer

Its not overthinking it, its a thematic tendency of the game

[neon abyss]

You do you, if you are looking for that stuff. That's what youll find.

[junior pecan]

That sounds like a disingenuous concilation

We were just talking about the hypothetical existence of a real proper answer to these questions and you drop it with “if you are looking for that, youll find it” the exact opposite of your argument up until this point

[pallid steeple]

If the sculptor really is trying to get more “biomass” then why does the AHA keep sending Hunter to die and give the sculptor what it wants

[exotic yoke]

I gotta agree with @neon abyss here and i think you missunderstood him

He is pointing out that its near impossible to pinpoint goals of the sculptor with the information currently given. And it might be impossible in general for it being something otherworldy, thus possibly thinking in different ways not understandable to us

His last sentence was a comment about you. If you read the lore with an interpretation goal already in mind you’ll bend everything that fits that goal

the puzzle analogy is actually pretty fitting for that. We have puzzle in front of us with missing pieces. We can lay the edges, so we have an idea on what the general mood and theme of the final picture will be, but we cannot determine the final picture it will become.

You already have a motif in mind you want the final picture to be, so you just fill in those missing pieces yourself, adding them to the ones we have. But that is just one way of interpreting things. One set of possible pieces that COULD go there.

also again, where do you come from saying there is one singular stable rift that cannot be moved? It is possible that he is trying to expand using the rifts created through the boss entities he puts in our world. The clues might be first signs of our worlds staring to connect in those specific areas. With the boss banished, all the rifts in that area go dark - thus Hunters prevent the Sculptor from taking more land through banishments

again im not saying the interpretation i just wrote is the true answer, but we simply cannot say what is

at this point we can just make educated guesses with the lore in mind, but i feel like your theory - as interesting as it is - is kinda 3 steps ahead. You are drawing conclusions from things that themselves are interpretations of various small lore parts

[neon abyss]

Yeah the point I was making was that we really can't assume a motive or goal, and only really assess what is happening

And that looking for an assumed motive only confirms what you were already looking for

[earnest jungle]

Based on what we see of the grunts the live stock are all dead likely because the creatures have been eating them not harvesting their biomass for some other purpose.

And based on the armored lore there is a concern among the hunters of the outbreak spreading. Why else would they burn down poor Tamrat’s house after finding that the Armored had disintegrated.

And based on the Grunt Lore it appears by that the grunts themselves are vectors for the plague.

The question them becomes how does this connect back to the marked and the bosses?

Do the bosses show up in regions first and spread the plague themselves? Or do the bosses follow the plague spread by the grunts?

Which leads us to one final question: do the boss monsters come from these rifts? Or do they create the rifts?

These are questions we can theorize about I don’t think we yet have enough evidence to conclude one way or the other.

[neon abyss]

We also have to accept that all clues are second hand info from somebody else who also doesn't know what exactly is going on

We also have to accept that we are also probably alien to the sculptor

For all we know it entered our world saw a buncha people dying of plague and tried to fix it but only had dead people, a pile of corpses, the butcher, etc. As a mold

Can't assume anything at this point

[earnest jungle]

Me personally I subscribe to the beach head theory. Maps that are occupied by bounties are beach heads for the demonic invasion, while wellsprings are essentially workshops that the Sculptor uses to transform the “clay” harvested from and by the grunts into the marked.

In this theory if we think of the monsters as an invading army the grunts are the vanguards and scouts, the marked are the shock troopers, and the demons/bounties are the officers.

[neon abyss]

I just believe it's some Eldritch being got brought here in some way, and it doesn't know anything about us and it's curious and messing around with people

And the bad thing is that it's learning

[junior pecan]

Goes back into the pool for use. It gets out of our reality through banishment, the grunts eating it is a step in the process, not deliberately designed but deliberately permitted

[junior pecan]

If thats what he’s saying then yes, i misinterpreted him, and yes he’s right. But looking back on it that still doesn’t look like what he was saying

[junior pecan]

I completely agree that its only a theory and i could be (and likely am, disappointingly) overcomplicating it. All I’m doing is testing this theory and others, I am in no way asserting mirror theory to be final and absolute proven truth. There is a severe lack of physical evidence for it, but the theory itself is based on what evidence we have and applied reasoning.

[junior pecan]

It was old lore QNA, that mentioned stable and unstable rifts

[neon abyss]

It was what I was saying

[junior pecan]

This doesnt make it seem that way

[neon abyss]

How?

[junior pecan]

Talking about the entity in particular makes me think you’re trying to apply the lovecraftian tropes, not make a comment on the problems of veracity inherent in hunt

Thinking in different ways is sketchy

But thats a whole ass other tangent

Ill cede it for now

There are semi static connections between our realities, otherwise voodoo practices would wax and wane, they work off of connectivity with the other side

And laveau couldnt have learned what she had if she had no method to practice

[neon abyss]

Yes, but is she fully correct.

[junior pecan]

Correct in what?

[neon abyss]

To reiterate my own statement

[junior pecan]

Thats something of a gotcha

We have to assume all are correct as a baseline, otherwise you can (and this isnt inherently a bad thing) pick and choose which documents to believe

None of them have any more provability than the others

Except maaaaybe in game experience

*all lore pieces, i should say

[neon abyss]

You actually have to treat it all as anecdotal

[junior pecan]

Cant

If its all anecdotal then we have no hard facts

And then you have no base for anything

[neon abyss]

Yes, and we don't

Nobody can see the big picture

[junior pecan]

That comes back to the philosophical “is everything subjective” question

[neon abyss]

It really doesn't

[junior pecan]

Thats the biggest gotcha in human history i think

Doesnt come back to it

Harkens

Has similar causality

[neon abyss]

Everyone in this whole thing has different information and perspective on the whole thing, and and they fill in what they don't know with what they assume it is

Laveau is looking at it from the perspective of voodoo, so she explains what she knows from voodoo

[junior pecan]

Laveau doesnt do anything

Shes not a character so much

Its her value to a character and her practices that create evidence

And how out of the way that interpretation is is what gives me confidence

In the conclusions, i mean

[rotund ferry]

Yeah it can be said that the Hunt verse vindicates the supernatural beliefs, interpretations, and rituals of every belief from voodoo to orthodox Christianity through the dimension of the sculptor and the dealings of its entities

[junior pecan]

^

This is what i was trying to explain in the argument over if sculptor can be understood

If he couldnt be, that would fly in the face of hunt’s entire gimmick

But if you were arguing about the evidence being anecdotal, then we were arguing two different things at once

[rotund ferry]

I don’t think it can, given it doesn’t have a true physical form, only able to create facades

[junior pecan]

Can be, vaguely

[neon abyss]

Or is it all the voodoo and orthodox christians tying their beliefs to what is happening because that is what they understand

[junior pecan]

Patterns are the product of rules

@neon abyss earlier

[rotund ferry]

Exactly

[junior pecan]

This goes back before haitian voodoo

The religious beliefs are created as a result of the interactions

Because actual rituals canonically work

And actual voodoo witchdoctors canonically practice successful rituals

Ergo merit to the religion, ergo truth in the interpretation no matter how small

[neon abyss]

Or is it that what they are doing works but not for the reasons they think

Just because the rituals work doesn't mean what they think it does is what's actually happening

[rotund ferry]

It seems that voodoo as a manipulative structure has a decent grasp on what’s going on, rather than just preforming rituals that tangentially effect the spiritual realm

As they generally have pretty concise and replicable results

[neon abyss]

Yes, but nothing about how doing X causes Y

Doing X thing gets Y result but the transition is unobservable

[earnest jungle]

I’m going to have to agree with DatsVatSheSaid one of the things made clear by the lore is that we should take what we read with a grain of slat because what we’re looking at is for the most part the speculation of the human characters on the actions and nature of non-human characters

[neon abyss]

That's like locking meat in a room and seeing maggots and flies appear when you return to it and thinking that you created the maggots and flies

[rotund ferry]

I don’t think there is a perfect one to one understanding of the sculptor’s realm, but at least voodoo is confirmed to have rituals that can produce intended results

In a somewhat consistent fashion

[neon abyss]

Yes, but I don't think how they think it works is how it actually is working

[rotund ferry]

It’s possible, as it is stated each culture developed a different interpretation and way of dealing with Hunt’s supernatural realm

[junior pecan]

They usually have no transition in their beliefs afaik, they attribute these things to certain social actors on the other side but other than that they literally just see it as a ritual, not clearly bargaining or theft or tax, just an ambiguous cause and effect

Part of all of the religions is wrong

We know that

None of them are 100% on the ball

[junior pecan]

Taking what we read for a grain of salt gets us nowhere. Im saying i agree, the trustworthiness of these documents is very much in question, but that path of reasoning leads to a dead end of subjectivity and choosing what you want to believe

[neon abyss]

Yes, and we kinda have to accept that everyone could be 100% wrong and that we are probably never gonna actually know what the alien entity referred to as the sculptor even wants or is trying to accomplish

[junior pecan]

Yes i agree the likelihood of any one interpretation of heing right whatsoever is slim, but that has no bearing on argumentation for or against these theories as they are all made relying on the veracity of certain documents

[neon abyss]

And that we just gotta wait til more pieces of the puzzle reveal itself and the big picture becomes slightly more into focus

[junior pecan]

It is implicit that if the evidence falls away the argumentation falls with it

No point using that as a ply against any theory

Its inherent and it stunts any theory whatsoever

Thats why i likened it to the philosophical belief of universal subjectivity

Because from an argumentative standpoint it works, but its a dead end of thought

[neon abyss]

Im only saying we need to theorize what exactly is happening instead of assuming motives of creatures alien to us

[junior pecan]

Are you saying my focus should be on the events themselves rather than the actors at play?

[neon abyss]

Yeah

[junior pecan]

Ok

That mostly comes back to the evidence debate

Im relying on most everything we’ve got for evidence as evidence, and presuming its veracity for the sake of having any theory whatsoever

So the events that transpire, according to in game and in lore, are what i operate around for the events actually occuring

There are some documents i outright deny though

Not for any sufficient logical reason but for the sake of the theory

Stuff that came up after

The martini masteries in particular are very troublesome

[neon abyss]

I find the book of weapons stuff to be the most anecdotal and unreliable info

[rotund ferry]

It probably is given many are journal entries of deteriorating minds

[junior pecan]

The basic gist of my beliefs as to events is hunters keep going in and banishing, the whole shabang, and sculptor keeps making new boss instances out of the corpses available. Only possible because hunters are using firearms, which only really remove a small portion of biomass due to their nature.

@neon abyss beyond the deteriorating minds entries, which i mostly disregard because theyre more likely to be untrue than true, why would BOW be least trustworthy

[earnest jungle]

Do you understand what the word subjective even means? Because you’re simultaneously arguing we can and cannot know with certainty the nature and motives of the sculptor.

You’re also assuming that if our theories are subjective that means they’re all equally valid. Which it doesn’t.

[junior pecan]

“Equally valid, which it doesnt” how so, argumentation?

[earnest jungle]

The validity of a subjective theory is determined by how supported it is by the text

[junior pecan]

Thats not what i meant by subjective, perhaps i do not know what the word means

Give me a minute

-based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

I mean arbitrary as a result of necessity

[earnest jungle]

Subjective means mot objective and unfortunately all literary theories are by their nature subjective.

[junior pecan]

Thats my paraphrase

[earnest jungle]

Because they’re based on an individual’s interpretation of the text.

Meaning that the text alone becomes the sole arbiter of what is and is not a valid interpretation.

[junior pecan]

Yes, thats why im saying the argument about the veracity of the text is irrelevant

Because we dont know anything for certain

So it all comes down to presumptions

So theres no point bringing up veracity

[earnest jungle]

But the veracity of the text does matter unreliable narrator and unreliable narratives do exists

[junior pecan]

Damnit rexli

[neon abyss]

Yup

[earnest jungle]

And the text has given us reason to question how reliable the text can be.

[junior pecan]

There is no reliable material in the text

Thats the point

[rotund ferry]

The journal entries are all true fictions, real observations made subjective by the viewer and made again subjective when interpreted, just like an anthropologic account

[neon abyss]

^^^^

[junior pecan]

If none of it is reliable, we shouldnt waste effort questioning its reliabilty

^this

I hope that gets it across

And none of it IS reliable

We cant distinguish truth from fiction wothout SOME baseline truth

Which we have none of

So, if we cant distinguish truth from fiction, then we cant come to any conclusion about the reliability of any portion of the text

[earnest jungle]

We do have some access to the truth in the form of gameplay.

[junior pecan]

This

Its not enough

[earnest jungle]

When I say we should be skeptical of some aspects of the lore I’m not saying all of it is universally unreliable.

[junior pecan]

Im saying its all universally unreliable

Thats my point.

[junior pecan]

This ^

[neon abyss]

Except that's where you are wrong, my point is that there is varying levels of reliable information on the events and such of what is going on. Simply, that when it comes to the actual Sculptor entity itself that any effort trying to gleam it's intent is rather fruitless.

[junior pecan]

Hang on rex

[junior pecan]

How do you determine what is more or less reliable when you have no baseline

Conformity to expectation?

Thats a stretch in a work of fiction

Ok go ahead rex

[earnest jungle]

It’s not a zero sum game were either the text should be taken at 100% face value or 100% not at face value. The fact that the text is unreliable at times does not mean it is always unreliable

It just means we have to be careful with what we say

[neon abyss]

Let's take an easy example. There are several records of a pandemic occuring. We know this to actually be true.

[junior pecan]

Its always unreliable because none of it is provable

[junior pecan]

We dont

I dont have the definition of pandemic, thats actually genuinely important in this one

[earnest jungle]

Which I am very used to because as a history major I’m used to having sources with varying degrees of reliability.

[junior pecan]

“We know this to be actually true” be more specific because we do not know it for certain

And thats missed nuance ^

[neon abyss]

People did get sick

[junior pecan]

We dont know that, again

We actually only have a couple of documents on that one, but it is generally regarded as true

[neon abyss]

No, we know that happened. We just don't know the cause.

[junior pecan]

We dont

[junior pecan]

What is your proof

Dont answer

The problem is that proof is not certain

In game might actually be one of the only text that is contradicted. Theres huffs death, and thats all else i can think of

[earnest jungle]

There are reports of an outbreak scattered through out the lore which indicates that as far as the outside world is concerned the LouVent is just some horrific outbreak of a deadly disease. This is actually one of the few bits of lore that’s carried over from the old lore. And we can assume that this is reliable because there’s no real reason to assume that this wouldn’t be the case.

In the Butcher Lore the taxidermists moved into the Slaughter House to flee the outbreak.

[junior pecan]

You know i can finangle a reason to assume

[exotic yoke]

man you guys... its so hard to keep up with this discussion

[neon abyss]

We just don't know if the sculptor came before or after the plague

Or if it was the cause or not

[earnest jungle]

Yes but at that point your molding evidence to fit a conclusion as opposed to drawing a conclusion based on the evidence

[junior pecan]

Youre outright ignoring my issues with your statemebt now

[neon abyss]

Because you straight up said "don't answer"

[earnest jungle]

And your just being a difficult contrarian at this point

[junior pecan]

Thats my point

[neon abyss]

See?

[earnest jungle]

I think it might be best if we all take a step back and try to calm down.

[junior pecan]

That was in response to the above statement, i expected a response to the one below

[rotund ferry]

I agree strongly with this take, it’s easier to build an event as factual when there are multiple independent sources citing it

[earnest jungle]

Because you two are clearly getting frustrated at each other so perhaps we should take a step back before one of us says something unkind we can’t take back.

[junior pecan]

Anyone can use the questions of veracity as a means to attack any argument, thats why questions of veracity are mostly irreevant

[exotic yoke]

not true Prowler

[junior pecan]

And they can do that with any argument

[exotic yoke]

because there is such a thing as varying degrees of credibility of statements

its not "just all subjective"

[junior pecan]

Go on, i presume youre introducing the idea of an acceptable degree of reliability?

[earnest jungle]

No they can’t and again I loop back to the issue of textual evidence. If the text gives us no reason to doubt the veracity of a statement then there’s no real grounds to doubt the statement.

[exotic yoke]

also, you are thus giving yourself the option to treat your own interpretations and further deductions as the same hard fact as the underlying evidence

[junior pecan]

The doubt of the statement is a doubt of the text

Which im saying is universally possible

[junior pecan]

Paraphrase?

Por favor i might add

[exotic yoke]

for example, you can cross reverence evidence. If some things are mentioned independently by several sources, it is way more reliable to use it as a fact

you can look at the type of source

ofc "everything CAN be untrue" but would you really say a newspaper article is on the same lvl as the diary entry of someone going crazy?

[junior pecan]

Im saying that because everything CAN be untrue, we shouldnt worry about absolute certainty

Degrees of veracity are legitimate

I think i might have doubted that previously

If so i absolutely cede that argument

[junior pecan]

This^ proves it

[earnest jungle]

No it’s not. There is a difference between saying for example “this text contradicts this bit of text so perhaps there is an inaccuracy here” and saying “this text is unreliable so we can’t trust anything.”

[junior pecan]

I think we’re talking about two different ideas

That didnt connect with me at all

[junior pecan]

Does this make sense to everyone^

Was the whole point of the argument

[exotic yoke]

no i do understand your argument,

[junior pecan]

Do you understand that statement in particular

[exotic yoke]

but i think it kind of does what you dont want it to do ^^"

because saying "we can't argue about the subjectivity because everything is subjective on a very basis. Thus we have to treat everything as fact or have no basis in even creating theories" also kind steals the credibility of everything

but the way i do understand it is "we have to find some ground to build our theories upon, even if the sources might turn out to be false."

and im also clear you never made your theory out to be true. You acknowledge that it is just based on the sources you chose to be true and the theory stands on the same uncertain legs as the sources do

i just wanted to bring on some other perspective, to challenge and possibly even bring that theory further. But this kind of derailed lol

[earnest jungle]

And what we’re saying is that because our theories are inherently subjective we should stay as close to what the text says as we can while keeping in mind the text is not always reliable. And it seemed to me (I don’t know about DatsVatSheSaid because I’m not a mind reader) even if this was not your intention, that you were asserting your theory and your interpretation of the evidence as objective fact.

Even though a lot of it seemed to be speculation based on speculation.

Without enough grounding in the text to justify that speculation.

[junior pecan]

THIS THANK GOD

[neon abyss]

Yeah, my original point from the get go is that any theory starting with the Sculptor's goals are fruitless due to it having actually no ground to build from there and any theories about the goals and motives of an alien entity is "overthinking it"

[exotic yoke]

yes, that kind of was my initial critique too. The theory is super interesting, but the theory is based on very specific interpretations of a couple of lore pieces that need to be seen in that way to work. Which is also a tad too loose for my taste. But that doesnt mean it is objectively bad (to bring in more subjective vs objective :P)

to put an example on what i think is really cool: i never thought about the whole immolator incident. Couldn't really make any rhyme of it. But with reading your theory i do think the idea of "the sculptors influence somehow enhances beliefs/spiritual energy" is really interesting

[rotund ferry]

I believe to some extent that we will never understand the motives of the sculptor or the lesser daemons in the Hunt universe, but we can observe what they are doing and create inductive arguments for what they may want to achieve on a very microscopic scale, basically always seeing the means but the ends are veiled

[exotic yoke]

yeah - and again to jump onto Prowlers side here a bit, he never made that claim to "know" his motives to be outright true, and i also think there is some merit in thinking about it that way around.

but i also do agree that is is too loose to really form a theory.

[junior pecan]

Thats the veracity of christian worship. It just pools up spiritual energy. Anyone competent could strike a match

[junior pecan]

In game evidence is the basis. What is happening, how long has it been happening, what could the entity actually be like, and why would he be doing this

[exotic yoke]

want me fuck up even that?

[junior pecan]

All the typicals of “conquering the earth” or “killin fools” become a stretch if these events have actually been going on for like 5 months

[junior pecan]

Go for it, it is one of the lesser reliable

[exotic yoke]

in game evidence is forced evidence - it has to be put in a way because they have mechanics first and have to force to explain them in often weird ways

we always are left with the "but is that maybe just gameplay" part of interpreting gameplay lore

[junior pecan]

Thats a good point, but.. iii dont know with what is used thats like saying devs are under duress by trying to match an aesthetic

The big thing taken is banishment

[earnest jungle]

Invasions take a long time especially when you have to deal with insurgents highjacking your production sites (well springs) and destroying your beachheads (bounties).

[junior pecan]

Something actually leaving. It could be something immaterial, invisible, but on the visual spectrum at least, its corpses

[exotic yoke]

btw, it was really interesting to challenge your theory prowler

its fun to discuss in such manner here

[junior pecan]

This is a good point but there is clearly a limited amount of resources being expended against an opponent that is profiting actively

[junior pecan]

It was good to discuss at all. Third map is gonna be in new york and shit on everything though, calling it now

[neon abyss]

Nah

[exotic yoke]

lol

[neon abyss]

Still in the bayou

[junior pecan]

Just watch

Mines and mountains

I aint seen a fucktown of mountains in louisiana

[exotic yoke]

gonna go for some dinner now, looking forward to seeing 200+ new messages here lol

[earnest jungle]

But as has been made clear the Sculptor can endlessly recycle the corpses of grunts.

[neon abyss]

Yup

[junior pecan]

Mmmmostly i bet

Mass can be removed from the bayou, ergo it can and should be depreciating

Birds eating shit, leaving

That sort of stuff

[neon abyss]

But it isnt

[earnest jungle]

If the grunts are the vanguard of the invasion and help to spread the outbreak so long as the Sculptor can continue recycling grunts in theory it could keep the outbreak going indefinitely.

The only limitation is if the corpses decay to a point that they can no longer be recycled

[neon abyss]

Here is the core of my theory, if the sculptor has any goal we can understand. What has it accomplished besides infest the bayou.

And not because it's actively done so

Everyone left or died because mostly everyone bailed to avoid plague.

So the only goal I can infer it has is that making these monsters is the goal

Because that is all it ever tries to do

[rotund ferry]

Perhaps it just wants to play a game of the sims in our world with earths biomass

[earnest jungle]

I subscribe to the theory of invasion, occupation, and colonization because a) it makes the fewest numbers of assumptions as the sculptor has in essence invaded southern Louisiana, depopulated the regions it occupies, and has replaced the human population with grunts, marked, and demons.

In essence it has invaded and colonized southern Louisiana.

And b) the Cult of the Night Hunt seems to be under the impression that the Sculptor is here to stay.

[rotund ferry]

That theory checks out

[neon abyss]

The problem with that theory is that said creatures it makes act pretty directionless and just kinda wander around or hide in lairs

[earnest jungle]

When hunters are on the prowl that’s true

[rotund ferry]

Maybe they find it easier to garner strength to mount a larger invasion

Than to persistently push outward

[neon abyss]

If that were true there would be much larger clusters of them

[earnest jungle]

The presence of the outbreak in maps outside of Stillwater indicates that the demons are spreading and occupying new areas.

Perhaps they are only so defensive when there are hunters on the prowler. If hunters kill and banish the boss monster they have to start all over.

Another possible explanation is that because this game takes place during the worst of the AHA’s infighting the invaders are growing complacent.

The hunters are doing much of the hard work for them.

[rotund ferry]

Perhaps bosses act as mobile transmission stations to control the hoardes of lesser constructs, so as you said when one or two are killed it’s expensive and time consuming to create a new one

[earnest jungle]

But again this is speculation and I will concede to simpler explanations that make fewer assumptions.

My theory of the bosses as commanding officers for the grunts is based on the fact that the spider exists to track down and eliminate infected that the sculptor has lost control of.

[neon abyss]

Yes, but that's all it does

[earnest jungle]

Which means that the sculptor can lose control over the grunts and the marked. The question now becomes how and why?

I believe when a boss is banished it doesn’t just seal off the rifts it cuts off the sculptor from its forces. Thus necessitating the creation of a new wellspring and the creation of the spider to eliminate these mindless monsters before they become a problem.

But again this is speculation

[neon abyss]

My theory is that the sculptor is experimenting.

[earnest jungle]

Ah so in other words Southern Louisiana is a laboratory for it to experiment with new monsters in preparation for the actual invasion. Raiding parties to probe our realms defenses?

[neon abyss]

No, I think that we are just as alien to the sculptor as it is to us and naturally its curious. So it does what it does and tries to make what it sees. Except there is a bunch of sick, dead humans. So it thinks that's the right way to build a human.

Because every monster is derived from a template that we caused. Not the sculptor.

[earnest jungle]

So in otherwords humanity is at the mercy of a giant child playing with clay made from human flesh

[neon abyss]

Yeah

Sculpting is it's goal

It's all it has ever attempted to do

[earnest jungle]

It certainly plays into the cosmic horror aspects of this setting.

Instead of seeking to conquer or consume humanity it’s just fucking with us for its own amusement.

Because we’re not significant enough for it to see us as beings comparable to itself

[neon abyss]

I wouldn't consider it amusement

Once again, curiosity

[earnest jungle]

Satiating your own curiosity can be seen as a form of amusement

After all haven’t you ever taken apart a pen for your own amusement to see how it works?

[neon abyss]

It can but also, imagine you are just existing and these other lifeforms just appear in your house

[junior pecan]

This is important. The hunts occur at the waning of the connection between realities, thats why its only an hour, as soon as the internet is back up its back to business as usual

[junior pecan]

This conforms to the dark sight theories ive come up with, but those are semi dependent on mirror. I think that dependency could be removed, i should work on it in the future

[junior pecan]

You underestimate how alien we could be. If it is a spirit, and if it can possess more than one body, it wont recognize it as murder, just borrowing from someone who appears to be comatose or asleep, inactive

[neon abyss]

The hour rule is quoted that the trial grounds are so deadly that staying out there for too long might as well be a death sentence

[junior pecan]

Was that the armored entries? I thought it called it a death sentence but it could be interpreted either way. I certainly do not have it memorized though

[neon abyss]

Yeah, I like my theory because it makes the least assumptions about the sculptor

Occam's razor

[exotic yoke]

@neon abyss for someone who previosly said making assumtions about the sculptors goal.... you just made a lot of assumtions about the sculptors goal lol

but i get where youre comin from

also, iirc in an AMA devs said that Bosses usually are also on the move and just hide in buildings like that because a hunt is underway. So there is some good backup on those parts

[earnest jungle]

We can’t make theories without drawing assumptions the key is to make a theory with the fewest assumptions.

[neon abyss]

Yeah

It's the fewest assumptions

And it's only made upon what I've seen

[exotic yoke]

at this point we're just waitin on the new lore dumps

[neon abyss]

Yup

[exotic yoke]

its still fun to make some educated theories now and then check them against the new lore that comes

[neon abyss]

More monster entries is what I need

[exotic yoke]

im still so interested in the new theme with the birb boss

also, the lore seems to go further in time aswell

all the newest lore we got were set considerably after Huffs death

[neon abyss]

I just want an outdoor boss

[exotic yoke]

it might just be

the trailer image showed hunters on the door of a building and the boss behind them - outside

imagine if the new boss is a new game mechanic/mode - where you can Q up as the boss

1 v al

all*

[neon abyss]

It does seem to be holding a combat axe

[exotic yoke]

its obviously a longshot

but it would be a fun idea imho

[neon abyss]

My theory, the sculptor made its own hunter

[exotic yoke]

oooh

other hot theory, the birb is not even a sculptor boss

but something out of Lynchs... [insert bodypart of choice here]

since she is all about raven stuff

even created one entity that could be the new boss in BATS

and the raven theme is def. stronk now

with all the dead birps that they added all over the game already, raven boss

"death is a bird" legendary skin

[neon abyss]

I just want an enemy that actively seeks out hunters that is on the level of a bounty boss

Instead of just waiting to get aggro'd

My theory on birb is that it's going to hide around and ambush hunters in it's lair instead of just straight up attacking you

[scenic agate]

That seems cool

[neon abyss]

And considering it's using an axe, it's gonna be like getting hit with one of those

And that maybe the outside of the lair is literally gonna be absolutely infested with crows to spook

Making even crouch walking without getting detected difficult

[exotic yoke]

i mean its kind of what the assassin wants to do

always trying to spawn behind you etc

[neon abyss]

Yes, but he's actively trying to murder you

Instead of waiting for you to step into the wrong spot

[rotund ferry]

How did black coat die?

Just out of curiosity

[junior pecan]

Twins killed him with an axe and crossbow iirc

He had come to tell them he was their father or smthng but he was like “hang on let me just murder my brother for some reason real quick” and the twins thought he was just some murder hobo

[exotic yoke]

well his intentions arent really clear

in BATS they speculated he killed their Mother aswell and was maybe out to kill the twins too, but for that he was pretty chill when they came out after he axed their uncle

[polar fable]

I still think that Lynch used him to provoke the twins so that they would kill him themselves. Patricide is a recurrent topic throughout the lore, so it could be a rite of some sort that Lynch wanted to perform with the twins to change them in some way. Why Blackcoat died so easily and obediently is a different question, but knowing Lynch I believe she had her ways to make the guy do what she wanted

So yeah, the twins were important, Lynch found their father and made them kill him for some (probably important) reason

[exotic yoke]

yeah, thats not too unlikely

or in other words... pretty likely lol

[exotic yoke]

Hey, could you guys point me in a direction where stuff about dark vision is written in the lore?

Im pretty positive we still dont know what it actually is, but iirc there was a written account from somebody doing it the first time

@junior pecan were you also the one with the dark sight theory of the initiation ritual basically disconnecting your spirit from your body and transport it to the loa realm. Thus wenn we see through dark sight, we see the “mirrored” loa realm of the world.

[junior pecan]

Yes, on the dark sight side of things it should be the second simplest possible explanation, purely positional concepts and natural progression of our knowledge.

The first would be “oh they detect lifeforce using the energy of the bounties” which is just an unobtanium trope. Special power = special ability with no further explanation

[junior pecan]

Its an old one on the website iirc

[exotic yoke]

also then "lifeforce" would need to be specified

[junior pecan]

Exactly

Especially when we get into ressurection

[exotic yoke]

thanks

im not sure about how "likely" i think the dark vision theory is, but i will 100% use it for my pen&paper ruleset for hunt, because i think its really awesome lol

[junior pecan]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RQLkkZ3kSmtl9yG7zmkFiguyxOzuMkung-VXjtKKcY8/edit

I think the inoculum side of it is cooler than the explanation it provides for dark sight

Demon that teleports between realities to eat corpses? Catch it and inject it in your veins so you get some of that ability

[exotic yoke]

Thanks

[junior pecan]

No prob

[plucky barn]

Question. If we are all part of the hunters association, why is it that we kill one another to claim bounties

[junior pecan]

Greed. Its an association in the loosest form of the word

[earnest jungle]

The time frame we play in is during the time after the death of Huff and before the end of the outbreak. Huff’s death triggered a civil war in the AHA. There have always been tensions between the different factions of hunters but Huff’s death caused those tensions to boil over into open conflict

The main factions appear to be
• The Asylum of Jackson led by Huff and Finch

• Lynch, the Twins, and their allies

• The Louisiana Voodou Community led by Dr John and Marie Laveau

• Sheriff Hardin and his Posse of Deputized Hunters.

• The Congregation of Ishim Gird

• Issac Powel’s Night of the Hunt Cult

• And then you’ve got the independents who aren’t on anyone’s side but their own: John Victor/Voelkel, Marshal Brewer, Elise Austin, Timothy Stone, etc.

[winged minnow]

Huff ded now though

[earnest jungle]

As far as we know

[winged minnow]

Wait isn't Finch his assistant who also died?

Maybe I'm mixing up characters

[earnest jungle]

No. Finch would more aptly be described as his partner and near as we can tell is still alive

[winged minnow]

I think I'm thinking of the legendary medkit that references someone named "Lemonier" or something like that

[earnest jungle]

Based on the most recent lore drops Finch and Huff were using the outbreak to run experiments in an attempt to devise a way of achieving immortality.

Ad far as we know he is dead and buried but he was at one point the leader of one of these factions so I included him anyway.

[odd plover]

Not sure if this counts for this channel but I guessed this was the best place, I was just curious if anyone knew where this picture was

I cant think of anywhere in the existing two maps so the idiot in me wants to believe its the new one. I really do doubt it for a bunch of reasons, and if it is I bet someone already figured it out... Either way, please forgive my dumbassery, I'm just so damn curious.

[lyric arrow]

@odd plover I don't know for sure, but the image looks quite diffrent from Hunts mapdesign. AS in the colors feel extremely vibrant.
It could also be a location we already have on the maps but in an early development stage. To me it looks a little like the dog kennel on the N / NE exit of Stillwater layout wise.

[royal pond]

So maybe but directly lore related but it's there a reason the colour of the "magic" was changed from orange to blue?

[rustic hearth]

The AHA really just doesnt care.

[celest valley]

The AHA probably just hires them as freelancers

the "Bounty" part is still an Open Market

[winged minnow]

The game takes place during the worst of the AHA in-fighting since the AHA has never been very well organized and more just like a loose association between groups

[rotund ferry]

Yeah they seem desperate at times to keep the infection in control, hence the asylum recruiting and the welcoming of the Chinese hunters despite the Chinese exclusion act still being in play

[molten forge]

The AHA is pretty damn splintered, many still hold grudges against each other.
Basically the enemy of your enemy does not necessarily make it your friend.

[edgy silo]

It’s safe to say that almost all hunters are pretty awful people

Or at least really like money

[molten forge]

There's a few that probably aren't I'd say Marshall Brewer is probably one of the few good apples

[amber harbor]

Most hunters think they are damned since they have literal demon blood flowing through them, so i think most just go yolo and do whatever they want

The marshall must really have a grudge against the infection since she went all lone wolf cop on the event

Her trial says she would go in just for pve cleanup duty

[pine island]

i believe there are monsters in this game and you shoot them

if that contributes to the discussion

[rotund ferry]

The reverend seems like a good man gone a bit mad, definitely a chaotic good type of character along with his acolytes

[near marsh]

Alligator Boss

[rustic hearth]

Dude a massive alligator would be so cool.

[near marsh]

It would thats what im saying

[safe root]

Its probably already been discussed but with all the dead crows everywhere I do think thats going to tie into the boss. I wanna say there is some Scottish folklore that would tie in. But yes, massive alligator would be so damn cool

[lyric arrow]

@safe root It's confirmed to be a Boss teaser and the new Boss is most likely Bird themed

[safe root]

ah well i will go back to my cave then

[lyric arrow]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/hunt-what-s-next-and-an-exclusive-teaser

In case you havent seen them

[safe root]

OOOOO

Looks like a feathery plague doctor

[lyric arrow]

Those are the Boss teased, 2 new guns (lever action medium ammo rifle and shotgun) and a few pictures of the new map

[safe root]

I do welcome more lever action guns

[lyric arrow]

Me too, excitedly awaiting 1.5

[rotund ferry]

Would make me start playing hunt again

I’ve been feeling so starved when it comes to content

[tired spear]

the plague doctor is holding an axe, though

which would make me assume he's a hunter, not the boss

i'd love to get a boss that roams across a whole compound instead of sticking to its building

[random lava]

Hunters don't hold axes with one hand

[tired spear]

True, true

Didn't the devs mention tomahawks at some point?

Would make sense in the game - though I know they're not planned right now

[scenic agate]

Why are the bounty so valuable

[warm lagoon]

It's your proof of killing the boss and it has an actual use in prolonging life

The AHA pays good money for it aswell

[molten forge]

What about this

[rustic hearth]

😳

[earnest jungle]

Relevant pic

[tired spear]

ye definitely, but it also looks like a smaller axe, not the world spawn ones

but hey

if it's the boss then we get a badass plague doctor to fight

and if it's a hunter we get to kill plague doctors while playing plague doctors

i see it as an absolute win

[tired spear]

which is also why i thought it COULD be a hunter. if crytek themselves hint that he's the boss.... who am I to tell better?

[earnest jungle]

It’s the boss it’s been confirmed on both discord and the livestreams that the Bird-person is the next boss

[rotund ferry]

Yeah there’s been a heap of hints about the boss that have dropped recently

[winged minnow]

I don't know if a legendary hunter has ever been "teased" before either

[edgy silo]

well its def the boss, i vaguely remember dennis saying something while playing with psychoghost

[safe root]

What in holy nightmare hell is THAT?!

[exotic yoke]

its also openly said on the reveal stream, so there is really no point in arguing about it

but i do think it looks like a world spawn axe tho btw, its likely the boss will be just a good chunk bigger than the average hunter. And a playable boss who works with different mechanics (maybe melee only but way harder to kill) could be fun imho even tho it is very unlikely. Would be kind of a small scale revive of Evolve in hunt

[molten forge]

The bottom pic in it is basically from an old Hunt Concept art iirc

And the top one is some fanart based on it

Here, have it in higher def

Might've been from a fan tho

Still, looks hella fitting for hunt

[radiant sail]

that does fit the name "sculptor" a lot ngl

[scenic agate]

What's the lore behind Quickplay?

[warm lagoon]

I don't think it's clear atm on how hunters become damned souls but when they do (assuming after they die in bounty hunt) then the wellspring which is a supernatural force that has the power of resurrection can give them one last chance before complete damnation

@wintry panther probably knows more than me about this

[hardy cargo]

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/A_Communique_for_All_Hunters

Here's something I found awhile ago that's about Quickplay, and like Alcor said, there's not much really known on it other than the wellspring being able to resurrect in a sense and that whatever energy that you deplete in quickplay is valuable, so I assume that this energy heals the 'damned' hunter and then is carried in excess and can be taken from this hunter somehow as it says,"The energy of the Wellspring can heal this ill, and afflicted Hunters will be sent out to do so, for both their own sake, and the benefit of the AHA, who has great need of the Wellspring's energy, and will exchange bounty for any retrieved and brought in." But, I'm not too sure.

[sterile sonnet]

@molten forge this isnt fan art , it was posted and then deleted by an official artist working at Crytech , it was a while ago

[rustic hearth]

Hell yeah, some creepy eldritch monsters would be so cool

[rotund ferry]

Any theories so far regarding the caption?

http://twitter.com/HuntShowdown/status/1356678921018892289

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown)

Coming Soon... 👀

"Some said the cat was a cougar, driven to starvation. Others said a tiger, escaped from a circus, taking revenge for its years of torment."

What do big cats have to do with the M1887? Well, you're going to find out...

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Twitter · Feb 2, 2021, 7:00 PM

[lyric arrow]

Maybe a Skin ?

Not sure on what "Big cats" could mean other wise

Or maybe a new AI, altho i don't think so.

[rotund ferry]

I was also thinking a skin, or perhaps a new legendary hunter

[radiant sail]

The way they talk about it, it sounds like new AI variant, but it's probably just a new legendary

Fingers crossed

[flint moss]

Could be some kind of bobcat, or something about felis?

[radiant sail]

or maybe the boss was a cat all along and the crows are it's prey

i'd guess either it's a backstory made for a skin, but looking at how its written it sounds like a new enemy, which i truly hope is the case

[earnest jungle]

I’ve long suspected that the boss is cat related. Why would a bird’s nest have shattered eggs and bird skeletons?

Likewise why tease a bird boss with dead crows and stollen fish?

And then there’s the Seasons Greeting from Harold Black

Hinting at the Yule Cat

Which could be the spider or could be this new boss

[radiant sail]

stollen fish? wdym?

[lyric arrow]

Cat stole Hatfish

Kill Cat, gib back Hatfish

[radiant sail]

WHAT

HOW did i not notice

war on cat begins now

wait

is it confirmed that the new map is going to be a mesa map?

or at least more desert-like

[earnest jungle]

The new map is a mining map

Could be in Louisiana but it probably isn’t

[hidden urchin]

Oh yeah? That would be cool. Looking forward to the new weapons vs this cat.

[radiant sail]

yeah, it's some sort of mining site in the desert

[royal pond]

Cat reference had got to be an 1887 legendary skin.

[hidden urchin]

That would be lame if it was only a skin. Big cats and gators would be nice to have in the bayou

[radiant sail]

i'm researching this

i am... really confused

[radiant sail]

hmmm

i think i know what the new boss will be

i have a gist of it, at least

oh boy, wall of text time

It starts with the known picture shown in the first teaser back in december, depicting a large crow-like humanoid with an axe in one hand. I have brightened it up a bit and outlined a bird-like leg and foot.

This has been confirmed as the boss:

Now, something which others also discovered was the resemblance between the boss in the image and the description of the scottish "Ragman" legend described in a lore post titled "Regards from Harold Black" which was released shortly after the first post.

I think it's safe to say that this is the boss being talked about, for two main reasons.

Reason one is that the description/ story coincides very much with the christmas event, where bosses dropped gifts after being killed. It is also to be noted that it's described as "moving just out of sight", which is how it's seen in the first picture, though this could be attributed to mere teasing and not wanting to reveal everything. Nothing new here, it just makes sense that it being originally planned to release on christmas would see these mechanics used.

The second reason, which i don't think has been mentioned before, is that out of all the legends of creatures described in Harold Black's letter, it is the only one that doesn't actually exist, as far as my research goes. All the other ones are actual folklore, but the only return you get with ragman is a comic book character from DC. What i see this as, is a creature that only exists in the hunt universe, due to whatever is causing the infection, and is therefore known in folklore, but would obviously not exist in our universe.

Again, most of what i said was already known, and its quite obvious by now what kind of boss it'll be, but i figured i might as well add a bit since i haven't seen the real life aspect mentioned.

[exotic yoke]

"out of all the legends of creatures described in Harold Black's letter, it is the only one that doesn't actually exist" - thats a cool catch

[earnest jungle]

I didn’t spot that but I really wonder what the wild cat is referencing because if it’s just a legendary shotgun I’m going to be mildly disapointed

[radiant sail]

yeah

my research was sparked due to the reference to the cat, since it looks a lot like a description of a new enemy

so i tried finding hints or something related to it, but theres nothing. The "regards from harold black" references a yule cat from icelandic mythology, but thats it

So my guess is either a new enemy (that maybe comes with the new map, since there are cougars in the desert) or a legendary as you said. Hoping it's the former

[exotic yoke]

i agree the wording would be weird for just a legendary, but im scared to keep my hopes up :P

[radiant sail]

yup, perfect way to phrase it

[shrewd shell]

Greyhound is to hellhounds

Lightfoot is to the new cat mob

A stealthy pouncing ai

[opal canyon]

so what ur saying is....

they gonna add krampus to the game

[rustic hearth]

@opal canyon bimg iromn

[rotund ferry]

Actually, I can think of proof of big cats in the bayou. Since felis is wearing a large skull on her head

[rotund ferry]

I can't imagine a new cat themed legendary skin- at least I hope its not just a skin.

[radiant sail]

🙏

[rotund ferry]

One question, those dead birds- were they found across the whole map or only in compounds?

[radiant sail]

pretty sure it's only in compounds

though the birds are more of a hint at the boss it seems, the boss lair in the teaser was full of crow skulls too

that was another question posed, why would a crow themed boss be surrounded by dead crows

[earnest jungle]

Cat

First se had the Man-Bear-Pig. Now we have Cat-Crow-Man

Though can the new boss be considered a man?

It may indeed be a biped, is it featherless?

(Philosophy humor)

[rotund ferry]

What if its a squid or a kid?

[quasi marsh]

New moster idea: Its a waterdevil, but larger, similar to the Kraken

[radiant sail]

Quite a bit larger it seems

[quasi marsh]

Well we don't to have it that large obv, I was just thinking as like it could be our first water bounty

[radiant sail]

How would you implement this, if you're serious. Boss lairs exist.

[jolly karma]

I still want a giant roaming gargoyle boss

[nocturne wharf]

Man, big as a bear, wearing a pig head...

Man-Bear-Pig

Legit

[quasi marsh]

Well there are a few places/locations that are half flooded with water it could be located there... it would be tricky to do it but it would be fun to have

[edgy silo]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1530430/Hunt_Showdown__Spirit_of_Nian/

Steam

Hunt: Showdown - Spirit of Nian

This DLC includes: North Star (Legendary Hunter), The Sovereign (Legendary Hunter), Sniper’s Gift (Legendary Nagant Officer Carbine), Dragon’s Song (Legendary Blank Fire Decoys), and Fire Monkey (Legendary Fusees).Hunt’s two newest Legendary Hunters have travelled a long way to get to Louisiana – and they’ve brought a new Legendary Nagant, Blank...

Release Date

February, 11 2021

reading through the description sorta makes me think the new boss will have a nickname Nian maybe?

unsure

nvm it just translates to year in chinese i think

[royal pond]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nian

[marble kernel]

[...]In 1896, the Chinese New Year would begin on the 13th: a bad omen for what would happen that year in Louisiana.[...]
Sounds like a small hint for more lore or new boss🤔

[random lava]

The character "nian" more usually means "year" or "new year"

[royal pond]

"But each Spring, Nian marks the turning of the year by coming out to hunt, devouring livestock and shredding human flesh between its murderous teeth."

Sounds like a monster though.

[random lava]

This dlc comes out the day before the Chinese new year this year

Spirit of new year

AFAIK they never pulled from real mythologies in the game so why would they start now

[crystal agate]

Made up mythology gives more freedom

[bold tiger]

Didn't they talk about vodou and such in the old files, or are you saying that none of the monsters are directly from real world myths.

[random lava]

None of the monsters are directly from any Mythology

So I wouldn't think that nian is going to be anything more than just new year

It wouldn't make sense to add a Chinese mythology monster all of a sudden

[royal pond]

Maybe not as the next boss. But there is clearly a monster in China which they call Nian.

[random lava]

I just read the rest of that dlc thing so yeah there is but I doubt it'll ever be in game

Pretty sure it's just to write a background for those hunters based on the mythology

[royal pond]

I don't think it will be in game either. But they are using Nian for both meanings. That's all.

[random lava]

I was only commenting on the person thinking nian is a reference to a new boss

[royal pond]

Ah. Crossed the streams. Anyway, Crytek hurry and gib boolets please. But don't crunch. But hurry.

[rotund ferry]

Guys, it's obviously a reference to Nyan cat.

[tired spear]

og god now i have to make a nyan showdown

[fallow wing]

Why is that guy's hair so pert and springy that it stands straight up?

Did he see a g-g-g-ghost?!

[glad quest]

So did anyone read up on the origin of meatheads?

[tired spear]

yup

the first meathad was the son of a huntress

basically she became more powerful than any jedi than any hunter before
and then died while giving birth
and so did her husband
and so did the priest who was also there

because the creature that had been growing inside her gave her powers, but it was even more powerful

and then it became the meathead

at least that's what i remember of my readings

[old gust]

Hey Crytek, I love hunt so much, but I am lore wise absolutly not a fan of the Revenant Skin. A) he is dead, this is super awkward and hard to grasp lore wise... how is this even explained? B) you used up the idea of a card playing legendary hunter? You could have made him just a card player.. this would have been so much cooler. But anyways, the game is a blast and please promote it more! We need more players! Keep up the good work! ❤️

[glad quest]

So was the death of parents and priest related to the child becoming a meat head or was that coincidental, also was the child a human that turned into a meat head?

[tired spear]

uh

so basically

their child is actually a "demon"

so yeah when it birthed it just kinda killed everyone present

[tired spear]

the christmas novel actually explained it a bit

the revenant might be a grunt in the becoming

so like if you get infected you can't die

and you slowly start to rot

but first you look like you're still very alive

that's also why all the grunts are not in the same state of decomposition

some of them are actually much more rotten than others

[glad quest]

Ahh I see so it's really that the meathead was never human , I find the meat heads very interesting lore wise now that I know of this.

[tired spear]

i think the explanation is just that he's been infected and that's why he's not dead

[old gust]

okey well so he is in transition.. that's kinda cool, okey I can deal with that. But still sad to see the card playin idea already used up :/

[tired spear]

you should read the meathead lore entries

they're really, really interesting

[old gust]

especially when there is a talk about tarot 😄 (gold I love this idea so much)

ill check it out, thx mate

[glad quest]

Will do!

[tired spear]

and yeah vj you should read the christmas carol it explains it way better than i do

[old gust]

cant wait for 1.5

ill do that

u have any idea when to expect 1.5 release?

[tired spear]

#general-announcements message

no idea and tbf this channel may not be the best place to discuss a new patch

[old gust]

yea i figured, my bad. Ill check the other channels

thx mate Ill go read the lore 🙂

[tired spear]

🙂 np

[royal pond]

The Christmas story is great. Especially the present.

[tired spear]

yeah ikr

[earnest jungle]

The description for the Fire Monkey is more intriguing to me than any discussion of the Nian.

The Fire Monkey indicates that The Sovereign and the North Star arrived in the Spring of 1896

Meaning Huff was alive as late as the Spring of 1865

And the Louisiana Event was protracted incursion that spanned the course of years

[rotund ferry]

Any word on the legendary hunter’s origins?

Like, where do ppl like black coat and the phantom come from

Ngl, I have a headcanon that Black Coat is Australian/British

[exotic yoke]

there is no general answer to that

lore of legendary hunters are scattered around their own bio, a lot of trials are about legendaries and some, like the black coat, are part of bigger stories

He is the father of "the Twins" as can be read in BATS

[rotund ferry]

Yeah, I just have a hard time imagining him speaking with a southern hillbilly accent tho

Same with Phantom, Researcher, etc etc

[haughty urchin]

A lot of southern accents from way back were quite nice

And not hillbilly

So you don't need to imagine hearing them that way

[rustic hearth]

Still an Aussie hunter would be so badass

[frail olive]

Every Aussie is a hunter

[radiant sail]

Boomerang tool :0

[rotund ferry]

Boomerang, does blunt damage, only comes back if it kills the target, achievement: kill two grunts with a single boomerang throw.

Would be worth it just for the reddit clip of a guy killing a trio with a single throw in a 1/billion chance scenario.

[royal pond]

Ned Kelly expy in Hunt when?

[floral spade]

Maybe I missed a bit of lore but is there an assassin in hunt lorewise?

[lime niche]

I'll a take a bush ranger out into the bayou

see how the undead fare compared to salties

[shrewd shell]

We have no lore about mary oneida toups?

Im interested if the first coven of witches partook in louvent

[edgy silo]

how do you mean? the assassin boss or somebody killing people for money?

[floral spade]

I mean a person killing for money

becoming a legendary hunter perhaps

[radiant sail]

The skin flint from the Christmas event sells corpses

You can read the story on the hunt website, under the news tab. It's a 4 part story about Timothy stone

[exotic yoke]

i mean... isn't every hunter killing others for money?

but i guess most hunters usually have very selfish reasons to kill, not killing per contract so to speak

[hardy wing]

Wait so do we know who gives hunters contracts?

[junior pecan]

AHA

Not really given though

Finch gives side jobs, but AHA cashes in bounties

[rotund ferry]

Organ trafficking before it was even popular, he really was ahead of his time

But y doe?

[radiant sail]

cash money

[rotund ferry]

Ah

I still don’t see the point

Organ transplants weren’t a thing back then

I think

Only real purposes of it are cannibalism and/or taking the skeleton for whatever reason

Maybe taking a few gold teeth too

But that’s all I can really think of

[plain veldt]

"body snatching" was a thing in the 19th century, to sell the corpses to medical schools and such for anatomy research

[radiant sail]

yeah, and the bodies were mostly hunters, which had took the darksight serum, plus the contract can just come from someone wanting someone else dead.

[rotund ferry]

So just some tier 1 noblets

I see

[radiant sail]

i mean, the AHA is canonically split into a lot of smaller factions which basically wage war on each other

so it makes perfect sense for someone to kill for money

[tacit raft]

anyone have an idea whats wrong with the servers recently?

[tall lava]

How is that lore related

[steep hollow]

Obviously cause the AHA invented the internet

[rotund ferry]

Demon blood is great for networking who would’ve thought

Not too great

But it does it’s job

[steep hollow]

Look: proof Bill Gates was a hunter

[hallow kraken]

Anyone know if this is anything important lorewise

[exotic yoke]

Its a movie reference iirc, but i forgot for which movie

[haughty urchin]

Bee Movie 2

[nocturne wharf]

Remember that Huff was working on a cure for the outbreak, and it would be obvious that such experiments needed human tissue.

I'm guessing that is why the corpses (probably of the infected too) can be sold

@rotund ferry

[wintry root]

I'm writing a short story series set in the Hunt universe and there are a few things I need to get clarified before I commit too hard to any one story conclusion.

In particular, I need to know if Lynch is known to have any other people working directly for her, besides Fin and Jos.

[amber harbor]

no employees afaik, but she is a force to be reckoned with and so some ppl go along with her, like Fin and Jos or the guy they killed first they met

although i can see her getting some ppl through blackmail and threats

[wintry root]

Thanks

[exotic yoke]

Yeah. She also trained sherrif Hardin and made allies with the phantom

Hardins past with lynch is mentioned in Russels letters in the nagant entries, and the winfield vandals talks about lynch and phantoms encounter

In said encounter lynch also has henchmen with her (whose only role -again- is to die

Rly lookin forward to those short stories

[wintry root]

Yeah im pretty stoked myself. I've got ch.1 done, and ill propably release it when I finish ch.2

[wintry root]

Before I forget to ask, how big do you think the LouVent area is? I'm currently working off a roughly 4-day's walk diameter estimation, meaning circa 80 miles across

[exotic yoke]

I dont think its really set. For the pnp background im building im imagining a pretty huge space actually. Basically everything southwest of Baton Rouge is kind of “cut off unknown territory”. But thats more the liberty i take to make the game more interesting.

[rotund ferry]

Why didn’t they just capture a zombie in a less advanced state of decomposition

There’s plenty of them

[junior pecan]

Laveau, dont forget laveau, and some of the nagant entries imply she has a whole posse that goes unmentioned

[junior pecan]

Armored experiments deterred that line of thought

Had to burn a whole ass library and lab down

[wintry root]

Actually lads

Chapter one of

drumroll, please!

Long Way Back to New Orleans

is ready for publishing!

Just waiting for some answers from some reddit mods

Edit: published, check the fanart channel. I apologise for misusing this channel

[quaint bluff]

Anyone got good video suggestions related to the lore in Hunt? Watched Liisn talking about the bounties but still digging around for more to pass time at work

[wintry root]

sadly no, but there are several channels that narrated the various library entries

[tired spear]

psychoghost, for instance

though i do not know if what he read is still relevant now, i didn't check

[pine island]

i like to think that the confederates won the war and then turned black people into zombies because most of the zombies are black if not all

but this is most likely wrong

[lyric arrow]

Many of the zombies are just necrotically discolored to a point where it is hard to tell the skin color

like grey is up to pretty dark, which is also what happens when tissue turns necrotic

[royal pond]

Is there any material that discusses the design of the Avtomat?

[lyric arrow]

@royal pond What kind of info are you looking for, if you mean from a dev and gameplay standpoint, then i have no idea.
If you mean lore (because lore channel) then the Mastery / description is your best bet.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hunthorrorsofthegildedage_gamepedia/images/d/dc/Mosin-Nagant_M1891_Avtomat_Landing.png/revision/latest?cb=20200111191952
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hunthorrorsofthegildedage_gamepedia/images/8/8d/Mosin-Nagant_M1891_Avtomat_Mastery1.png/revision/latest?cb=20200111191951

[royal pond]

Honestly I was wondering about the mechanism. On the Artstation account of the concept artist he mentions he had a hard time making it actually function but that's all he says.

[junior pecan]

Huot automatic carbine

Look it up

Or was it rifle?

[royal pond]

Is based on a straight pull bolt action not a rotary bolt like the Mosin. Hence my curiosity.

[junior pecan]

Probably the source of the artists issues

Shouldn’t be anything beyond what you see, the avto is based on the externals of a modification to an existing firearm, so its probably nonsense the closer and closer you look at it

[royal pond]

I would imagine. There are heaps of semi-auto and full-auto conversions of bolt actions from around that time, but the solution they used doesn't appear on the Avto.

[royal pond]

Probably true.

[junior pecan]

You could always do it yourself

[lyric arrow]

I havent actually found info on many conversions as all

[junior pecan]

I’d imagine it wouldn’t be too difficult

[lyric arrow]

it was simply easier to design an automatic gun new than converting even straight pulls

[junior pecan]

^

But not cheaper to manufacture

Not when everyone kept dumping money into their defense budgets before ww1

And already had too many old ass falling blocks lying around, just as semi-automatics start entering prototyping

[lyric arrow]

If you waste research time on a way more difficult conversion rather than a simple new design, then new designs might actually be cheaper

[junior pecan]

Maybe

US certainly showed that

Afaik

[lyric arrow]

especially seeing as most automatic guns with actual rifle cartriges were derived from the maxim gun and were all pretty similar

[junior pecan]

Seems silly that only maxim figured that shit out and nobody really innovated immediately

[lyric arrow]

i think that depends on the definition of immediatly

really soon after most militaries used guns similar to the maxim

[junior pecan]

Their prevalence and the prevalence of their copies left me with the impression that no one could be bothered to improve upon the idea

Till browning made the 50

[lime niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UI0XvrIfl0

Mosin was designed as an upgrade to the Ross rifle

[lyric arrow]

what you mean is the avtomat design is derived from a Ross conversion ?

because otherwise that sentence is very misleading

[junior pecan]

This was known

[lime niche]

The mosin itself started out life as a Ross conversion. Loaded in from the stock of all things

[junior pecan]

?

Imma check that real quick

[lime niche]

https://youtu.be/nqmkRZOIlfY

[junior pecan]

Theres at least a lot more context, i recall that

Ye, nah

[lyric arrow]

The mosin Nagant rifle is older than the Ross rifle

[junior pecan]

Mosin was a replacement for the berdan single shot, which looks remarkably like it

[lyric arrow]

the mosin nagant being from 1891 and the Ross from 1903

[junior pecan]

Also a pseudo ripoff of the lebel i think

[royal pond]

Wait, Mosin is a rip off of the Lebel?

[lime niche]

Fuck, Berdan I mean. God I need to sleep more

[lyric arrow]

the Lebel was influential because it was developed around a smokeless powder cartrige

[junior pecan]

^

[lyric arrow]

It wasn't a "Rip off" in that manner

[junior pecan]

They had to get fucking mendeleev to figure out smokeless powder

[royal pond]

Yeah but no one would copy the design of the Lebel cause it was kind of garbage

[junior pecan]

Shit cracks me up

[lyric arrow]

meh Lebel is no garbage design

was a really good service rifle back then

pioneer in both smokeless powder and spitzer ammo

[royal pond]

Was a rush job to try and get a smokeless powder rifle into the hands of French soldiers.

[lyric arrow]

which went on to be some of the most influential inventions for warfare in a long time

and as with everything other nationed copied it soon after

the germans first and the russians later

followed by a lot of others

We are still in lore tho, maybe we wanna move this to huntingrounds casual or serious.

[rotund ferry]

Eh the Lebel is alright except for its tube magazine

That and all the mechanics that go along with it are it’s biggest downfall

[wintry root]

If it at least had a loading gate like Winchesters, it would have been at least Krag-like good. The Kropatschek magazine system is just bad on all levels.

[royal pond]

"The Lebel is alright except for everything about it"

I mean it it's an interesting gun and it did it's job, which was get good bullets into French soldier's hands quickly. But I mean 4 years later they were trying to replace it so clearly it wasn't that great.

[royal pond]

The Krag is strange yeah. You can just kind of throw bullets into it and they just sort themselves out inside. Magic.

[wintry root]

Viking techno-rune magic.

[faint island]

The Kropatschek magazine was absolutely fine for the period it was designed in. There's a reason three of the premier European military powers of the time adopted rifles using it.

Obviously a tube magazine is inferior to other systems but for context the late 19th century was seeing constant major developments in small arms technology and doctrine.

In the space of 50 years we went from muzzle-loaders to light machine guns.

It's not surprising that several designs were adopted only to be ousted within several years.

The Mauser 71/84 was a Kropatschek-style magazine and that was replaced in 4 years by the Gewehr 88. The Austro-Hungarians adopted the Mannlicher 1886 the year smokeless powder was invented and replaced it inside of 2.

[junior pecan]

This is a fitting display of the absence of hunt lore worth talking about

I swear they better drop another book in the next update and it better be actually cohesive

[faint island]

I'll shut up, sorry. Was somewhat of a diatribe admittedly.

[junior pecan]

Nah its fine, this helps prove a point

[faint island]

I hope they add more lore and not just 'actual history of the weapon with the names changed to avoid copyright'.

[digital onyx]

@wintry root I love u

@faint island I love u

@junior pecan I love u

[rotund ferry]

The French with a tube fed rifle

[junior pecan]

Italians too wasnt it

Vetterli sounds italian

[rotund ferry]

Americans still using a single shot until 1893

Pure pain

[junior pecan]

We weren’t slow we were just waiting on the krag then we were waiting on the garand

America was just eco-ing to save up for John Moses Browning

[lyric arrow]

Vetterli is swiss

[junior pecan]

Pseudo-italian

[rotund ferry]

Italian but lies and deceit

[rotund ferry]

Swiss originally but Italy bought the license to make their own

America choosing the Krag over the Winchester model 1895 was the most anti yee haw thing we’ve ever done

[royal pond]

Would've been amazing if the US adopted the 1895. Other countries just crying about spam meta and levering nerfs.

[rotund ferry]

[wintry root]

I seriously suggest wathcing In-Range TV's lever action series, in which they ask themselves "what if the U.S. Army adopted lever guns as standard issue in the 1870s?"

[exotic yoke]

so, the flare skin confirms ingame time is movin forwards

[earnest jungle]

Correct

[rotund ferry]

Why’d you downvote the Caldwell experimental suggestion?

Oops wrong channel sorry

But yeah

Y doe

The what?

[prime cedar]

How could crossbow bolt kill humans in one hit but not with ballistic ammunition from rifles?

[royal shoal]

Good question

[prime cedar]

Yeah, been getting into this game quite a lot, kinda want to get into the lore as well

[wintry root]

game balance, a 2hk crossbow would be useless

[junior pecan]

Also the ballistics of it has some merit

Size of the wound, overpenetration, that sort of stuff

But we are dealing with primarily lead bullets, no jackets or monoliths so that shouldnt be happening and the argument for crossbows goes out the window

[wintry root]

Well the Lebel and Mosin have jacketed rounds

As do the Dolch and Bornheim

Anything smokeless really

[nocturne wharf]

Plus the wiggle of the crossbow bolts bursting through your organs is a pretty much ohk

[rotund ferry]

Read recently that bf1’s sweetspot mechanic is a bastardized depiction of bullet velocity and bullet physics for balance purposes

Not suggesting something like that should be in Hunt

But it’s interesting to think about

[wintry root]

Well, real life rounds do have "sweetspots", where they become more effective. This is based on velocity, and bullet design. Though these sweetspots are far further out than in BF1, we're talking cca 700-900m for 7.62x51 iirc. I dont think this has a place in Hunt because of the much closer ranges.

[junior pecan]

Videogames are inherently closer range due to technical and mechanical limitations

[wintry root]

i mean, you have long ranged games. ARMA and similar games come to mind, as do the more realistic Battle Royales and some Battlefield maps.

[ashen vault]

Kinda lore, does anyone know what the Sacrosanct words mean on the deadeye scope and underneath the scope? Right above the breach door?

I been looking around and I can't figure out the life of me what the language is.

[junior pecan]

Probably voinich

Dont we have it pinned still?

Yeah its in pinned messages of this channel

[toxic skiff]

Anyone got some cool lore about the black coat? Can’t seem to find anything on him

[amber harbor]

He was the twins' biological father and they killed him when they started working for Lynch

Hes mentioned in the first pages of Bad As They Seem

[earnest jungle]

So my hunting partner Woodland has a theory on the New Map.

He believes that the Engravings on the Gold Rush and Carter’s Quickshot may be teasing the New Map

The Carter’s Quickshot has two scenes one of a pair of hunters shooting a Hive in a mountainous area, and another of an extraction coach in a pine forest. Neither of which could be in the Bayou because there are no mountains in Southern Louisiana nor Pine Trees.

And the Gold Rush has a a scene of a mining camp in the mountains: Locust Grove.

His theory is that locust grove will be one of the compounds and that the new map will be somewhere in the rocky mountains.

[rotund ferry]

Only time will tell

The new map, assuming it’s not in the bayou, is also gonna throw a monkey wrench in the lore ngl

[junior pecan]

Called it

[earnest jungle]

Oh that reminds me an areal version of the map got leaked.

[amber harbor]

You what

[rotund ferry]

[earnest jungle]

Was that not common knowledge?

[crystal agate]

It was back in October, if I remember correctly, and would think it would've been pretty early into the development cycle, especially considering how barren it all looked, and the numerous placeholder, untextured buildings

and it also may not be real ontop of that

[wintry root]

omg pls link that

[earnest jungle]

I don't know if I should like will I get in trouble for posting leaked content?

[warm lagoon]

@earnest jungle yes you will

Also I don't think your friend's theory is correct because we've already seen some teaser photos of the new map and it'll highly unlikely be in the Rocky mountains

[flint moss]

Qq, how come the wiki says that the Louisiana event scrapbook is available to all hunters? I play on console and PC, but nether have it

[amber harbor]

removed in 1.0 @flint moss

[candid shoal]

Bit late to the conversation but you can look up "Hunt Showdown new map leak" and it's the first result for images on Google. Not sure if it's real, but that's what I saw posted before on the subreddit

[flint moss]

Thats disappointing. Thanks for the response!

[frail olive]

So where is a good place to get lore? It all seems so interesting

[junior pecan]

Check pinned messages, its only interesting until you realize whats going on with it

[frail olive]

Oh boy thanks

[noble phoenix]

What do you mean?

[amber harbor]

@noble phoenix mystery is a big part of the appeal, and the entries shed some light into the 'science' behind the event, if you can call it that

[light solar]

Half the trees in louisana are pines

I live in the deep south for most of my life

there are plenty of pine trees

and plenty of forests of them

[rotund ferry]

Yeah all the locations shown in the teaser are possible for Louisiana

Does anyone have the teaser? I never saw it my apologies

[rotund ferry]

I would recommend the November/December stream, there may also be some images in the social media channel

[junior pecan]

The writers dont know what theyre doing

Its like a side job, there’s no development, nothings been revealed, nothings been certified or guaranteed

Nothing is canon and the only lore that gets released is more and more distant from the pre-established lore

Nothing is building, no one is learning its just tidbit after tidbit all as uninformative as the last

[earnest jungle]

I wasn’t saying their were no pine trees in Louisiana period what I meant was pine trees didn’t tend to grow in the bayou regions most of the previous map have been set in.

[earnest jungle]

I don’t think it’s as bad as all that. There was a change in the writers and a shift in the direction of the narrative of the game. It’s certainly not ideal but it is what it is.

[junior pecan]

It’s gone nowhere since ABATS, this christmas we had something new but it felt like it barely had any connection to the old stuff whatsoever

It shouldnt be getting more confusing, its already eclectic as is

[rustic hearth]

I kinda agree, the devs need to put more focus on the lore and finally give it some more direction.

[noble phoenix]

I guess since I haven't read it all it hasnt been an issue, I think the setting is neat and would like to see an expansion on the AHA and its internal struggles

[rustic hearth]

Yeah, this game seriously has some of the best lore potential I've ever seen.

[noble phoenix]

Honestly, a side RPG could be really neat

Akin to DnD

[royal pond]

I'd like shooter rpg hybrid. They could have done crazy boss battles that don't really fit into the main game.

[rotund ferry]

Hunt table top

[wintry root]

y e s

[earnest jungle]

Y E S

[proper cradle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t1TOjh_4ARyhWgoygGbl7wEilDFqfJUJHmhD_ViL_rA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[proper cradle]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10KfkuMrok00fRR6LE3iLUfhPrcLLF_IcNoMRfzHyIuc/edit?usp=sharing

[proper cradle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fYUHK4qZtcX3765LDMJz6mhR6bSpatAKmsB1NnKXrxI/edit?usp=sharing

[wintry root]

thanks

[devout cedar]

Thanks and say bye to lore hardcore channel

[wintry root]

i just noticed it omg

why though

[devout cedar]

Well it wasnt used

Kinda dead channel

Just taking space

[eternal crystal]

BigSad

[wintry root]

Makes sense

[earnest jungle]

I am excited for this update because we can expect a good amount of new Lore.

The New boss and the new weapon variants are sure to bring in some new lore.

And if the ammo unlocks in a similar way to weapon variants each new type of ammo will bring with it some lore.

It’s an honest struggle trying to keep my expectations in check

[rotund ferry]

Oh man I’m excited

[stable mango]

Hi I've been looking for admin from crytek.com on the support no one answers me for six months.

[rotund ferry]

That sucks dude

Go to discord rules page

Then crytek should be there

[stable mango]

?

[glossy falcon]

Completely wrong channel to be asking for help.

[wintry root]

Yp

[steady tusk]

I hope the lore for the lever shotgun Winnie be something like "in a flash or light and lightning he appeared, with a clear vision of his mission in his eyes. Asked for my clothes and a ride, because he would hit the bayou, that night."

[flint moss]

Ima tabletop designer and publisher. I would kill to be on a dev team for that

[rotund ferry]

That’s awesome! So many projects could be done with the Hunt IP

[wintry root]

like I always say

h u n t a n i m e w h e n

[rotund ferry]

I’m personally not an anime fan but I completely get the demand for it

[wintry root]

really visceral, brutal and bloody action horror western

also tabletop. hell to the fuck yes. Bayous and Bosses

[rotund ferry]

I’ve heard of a lot of people working out DND conversations for Hunt, I might make my buddy do something similar

[wintry root]

yes, people are working on it. I saw some guy on Reddit did a statblock for the Butcher.

i cant wait

[rotund ferry]

Danke

[rotund ferry]

how does the whole hunter revival process work?

how can they can get back up after being killed?

[wintry root]

gameplay mechanic

[rotund ferry]

i mean

no shit brother

im asking lore wise

[wintry root]

well, nothing in the lore that I know of explains it

[junior pecan]

Only thing that isnt theory is that its probably a real quick salt circle

The theoretical explanation for what is actually going on when someone is revived is a little complicated

The short of it is its probably a long practiced ritual exchange between human beings and entities from the loa reality. Neither trading party is willing or capable of speaking with the other but over the course of ages both sides figured out what the other was willing to trade for, so both sides exchange resources or assets without any actual ability to communicate, its just ritual on both sides

In the case of revival, its probably the exchange of non-functioning biomass from a hunter given to a Loa in return for a mostly functioning surrogate. These surrogates keep you going but need further ritual to return you to full health

It could also be a loan of some sort, or pre-purchased insurance

But we’ve got nothing to indicate that, and the mass has to come from somewhere in exchange for something

So a trade is the natural conclusion

[celest valley]

any idea why there are so many soundtraps? glass, hanging horseshoes,hanging buckets etc.

were there survivors initially who trapped the place so they could hear the grunts?

[rotund ferry]

the grunts have some kind of intelligence at least so i kinda figured they strung all the stuff up in the beginning stages of their infection maybe ??

and the glass all over is just from the general chaos of monsters everywhere breaking stuff

[celest valley]

some glass seems to be strategically placed

lore is pretty good in the game

[junior pecan]

Yup

Grunt entries in the monstrovum

[gleaming quail]

why does the Avtomat looks more like a canadian Huot rifle than an actual federov avtomat?

Canadian Huot

[tawny rock]

Cause the dev's saw the hout and was like "Yes, but make it mosin"

[plain veldt]

The devs found it fitting, I guess, it being sorta a home-made bolt-action rifle conversion. Of the Ross rifle however, which is a straight-pull bolt action, unlike the Mosin. The Federov Avtomat has a different mechanism and has nothing to do with the Mosin-Nagant.
Actual automatic rifles weren't a thing until the 1910s anyway, the actual Huot being from 1916.

[tawny rock]

That's why I don't like the Avtomat