#lore-discussion

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rotund ferry
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Bosses easily weigh about 500 pounds

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Butcher, I’d say, weighs about 3/4 of a ton

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Spider is probably about 500 pounds

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Assassin I’d say is the lightest, probably at about 250-300 pounds

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Less even

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Hell, having him weigh ~210 pounds in his humanoid form makes sense

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As a benchmark, a male hunter probably weighs about 150-200 pounds, and female 140 or less

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The upcoming boss I’d say is about the same weight as spider, if not a bit less

still shard
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Assassin is alot of bugs so hes prob pretty light

upbeat scaffold
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immolators were just really angry people

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oh, actually we don't know if he's made of bugs or if it's a optical illusion, do we ?

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just like how the spider's not actually a spider but made of human parts to have more of a scare-factor

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the assassin resembles lots of cockroaches when not in humanoid form so I mean, I dunno

rotund ferry
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I weigh 280 pounds and I'd say the meathead is like at least twice as big as I am, and the Butcher/Meathead are the same body - are they not? Except the Butcher was supposedly preserved with some kind of taxidermy from the lore.

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I'd say the Butcher/Meathead are like at least 600 pounds.

junior pecan
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@upbeat scaffold the immolator is religious zeal probably, not anger. Literal buildup of spiritual energy over long period of time, never expended in ritual of any sort, so when the mutagen affects them they just pop, highly exothermic reaction to the mutation for long period of time. Fire fueled by soul energy rather than material.

upbeat scaffold
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huh, always thought it was sorta just anger since that one priest (I think) was beat and he just burst into flames

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and I mean: in real life there have been cases where humans burst into flames for unknown reasons

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real life immolators

mossy bough
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Man don’t you just love spontaneous human combustion

rotund ferry
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I think it’s quite

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h o t

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(Strings up noose)

wintry root
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Realistically, it propably has something to do with alcohol in the system. Most cases of spontaneous combustion, as far as I'm aware, were alcoholics

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Actually no, there are numerous theories

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From alcohol, cigarettes, obesity, internal gasses, scalding etc

soft token
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Now your right there and i really get where your coming from but i think the crows started all of it crows always carried stuff bad in the day and so on like the dogs and chickens it changed some of dogs into the hell-hounds so maybe it was an air born thing that the animals got and it could spread to people bugs and so on by going and mutating though other things

wintry root
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🅱️ 🇷 🇺 🇭

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The LouVent isn't a natural occurence. You must be new here.

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@soft token

soft token
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?

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Yeah friend only got me the game a few monthes ago

wintry root
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Likewise, but I know at least the basics of what's going on.

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You could at least have read some of the in-game codex entries before coming here and posting that

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Need someone to explain the basic lore? I'd be happy to, if you want.

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@soft token

soft token
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Well i was just saying what i thought started all this

wintry root
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Well, your theory is completely wrong. All evidence points to an unnatural occurence.

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But, as I said, I'd be happy to explain the basics of the lore to you

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@soft token

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But, if you're so hellbent on a natural explanation, @soft token, explain the following:

  • Dark Sight
  • Immolators, Hives, and Bosses.
  • What is a bounty?
  • Why is the U.S. gov't not doing anything?
  • What is the AHA and why do they keep secret?
  • Explain The Adventures of Timothy Stone.
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hehehe, destoryed with fax and logitech

amber harbor
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the crows could still have something to do with the event

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crows are known to be a bad omen

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and the new boss suggests a deeper connection

wintry root
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In that sense, I guess there could be something.

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But we can't know yet.

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For the record, if you're unsure about something, ask or scroll up/use the search bar. Don't be like that Akira guy and post something completely out of left field that makes zero sense to even the least observant of players and theorisers.

junior pecan
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@wintry root there is no basics of whats going on. All our knowledge operates off of unreliable narration, typically in a pseudo-fictional form. There’s some lore to memorize like ABATS, but that shit is borderline unrelated to what is going on in the game. It shares a setting, a very particular one at that, but the events that transpire have no apparent effect.

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Four questions to show this.

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  1. What is the AHA doing
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  1. What is the sculptor doing
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  1. Why is the AHA doing it
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  1. Why is the sculptor doing it
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Those would be the basics of understanding any conflict, but we can answer maybe one of those

wintry root
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  1. We don't know yet, but they need the bounties for something.
  2. We don't know, and it's propably best it stays that way, because cosmic horror relies on the unknown.
  3. Read 1)
  4. Read 2)
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Meanwhile, the sheer (confirmed!) presence of the Sculptor rules the natural explanation out unless major retcons happen.

junior pecan
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I never got that. Cthulu was never than unknown, it was about immense knowledge, the burden of seeing an insurmountable threat laid out before you and the hopelessness that accompanies it.

wintry root
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Or that.

junior pecan
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Also, you’re getting into the meaning of the word natural. Bad thought process to follow

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Unearthly, would be a more accurate term in these contexts

wintry root
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True that.

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So, unearthly, let's say.

junior pecan
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But, as i was saying, we dont know any of those answers, we dont have any idea what the fuck is going on

wintry root
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Well, it certanly isn't a disease.

junior pecan
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Mirror theory is the only answer ive ever heard provided, and it is too overly complicated to not have any further evidence for it

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No author would settle with such a fascinating phenomena in the background of their work

tired spear
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Reading your last few messages is actually pretty damn informative

junior pecan
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I feel narcissistic bringing up mirror theory, but its the only explanation for these questions so far

wintry root
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Here's a meta theory - it was actually a disease, and the events we're seeing is a videogame made of a mixture of conpiracy theories, fiction written around that time and made up stuff.

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Btw what is the mirror theory?

junior pecan
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A large piece of text I wrote explaining the event, I can repost it if youd like but it is cumbersome. The basic gist is evolutionary theory applied to the cultural concept of spirits, then applying that concept to the events in Louisiana.

wintry root
tired spear
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so lemme get this straight

  • there's an entity called the sculptor who's having fun fuckin' with our reality from another dimension
  • there's an organisation called the AHA (which doesn't sing "take on me" unlike the name suggests) that does shady stuff in the background, and they need the bounties to do that
  • additionally there's an unnatural disease that turns dead people into walking rotting people, is that something the sculptor did?
  • where the heck does dark vision come from?
wintry root
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Pretty much yeah

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Dark sight is the product of the AHA initiation ritual that contains occult shit like drinking something made out of actual, bona-fide demon blood. Also, dont have kids if you have been innitiated because it'll be your undoing.

tired spear
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oh, right

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whachu mean by 'your undoing'?

wintry root
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You know the meathead and the leeches, right

tired spear
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AH

wintry root
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That was a pregnant huntress once. Also her husband is the Butcher, if imin not mistaken.

junior pecan
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Pregnancy affected by spiritual intervention

tired spear
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wasn't the Butcher from the Salter family?

junior pecan
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Intentionally malformed, prooobably by third party loa

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Not that i remember

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Unrelated character iirc

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Its in the monstorum

tired spear
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'cause i remember reading something like that in a trials description

wintry root
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Dont recall that one.

junior pecan
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Thats a good eye, ill take a look at those today

tired spear
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gimme a sec

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gonna find those

i may very well be wrong though

wintry root
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Look at the meathead or Winfield Musket entires as well, something in there as well

tired spear
amber harbor
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the meathead was the baby, not the mother

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winnie musket finally gave us something about the aha motivations, or at least Finches

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immortality

junior pecan
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A loosely associated organization does not work for the immortality of two men, they’re mostly after gold in exchange for the bounties, but trading it in for ritual favors was always the likely answer. I question this new tangent of the lore, it seems pointless, unless it leads to the details of the ritual. “Men use spiritual power to prolong lives” is easily the simplest continuity that could be made.

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It is so far of the same caliber as “people buy things with money”. Yeah, no shit they’re using magic to become immortal. Their success or failure is admittedly of some interest but the ambiguous nature of the lore insures we’ll never actually know that.

exotic yoke
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also, for the record, if you post theories please also back them up with sources, dont be like that @wintry root , shaming ppl who are new and very interested in the lore in a bad way and then proceed to just spit out some weird theories yourself without backing anything up

rotund ferry
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^

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Elitism is why the hardcore channel is now locked

exotic yoke
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yeah, i can see that

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sadly tho

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im actually in the process of trying to build a pnp-system out of hunt, so im digging in deep into the lore. And the stuff from both lore channels are really helpful

rotund ferry
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I would be wary of the hardcore channel, at least the deeper stuff, as some of it is the older retconned lore

exotic yoke
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"A loosely associated organization does not work for the immortality of two men, " yeah, if we take the musket texts as "lore to explain what/why the AHA does stuff" i would also say that it probably is more akin of the AHA (falsely?) promising immortality through misusing the unnatural powers gained from the event, but most likely only trying to use it for themselves. Huff was shown in several occasions to be an opportunist.

rotund ferry
exotic yoke
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damn, i really need to read up on that again then

rotund ferry
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Yeah I need to run over the old lore and look at the musket entries, I’ve been too busy with work to do either

exotic yoke
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i love a good lore hunt tho

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reminds me of the old dark souls days

wintry root
unborn cypress
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Hey, random quick (and probably dumb) question. And I’m sure most everyone knows the answer. | But do we know for sure that PHJ who oversees the asylum is the same as the Huffington killed in ‘Bad as they Seem’?

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PHJ is usually referred to as ‘Huff’. While the asylum worker is referred to as ‘Huffington.’

junior pecan
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Too big a coincidence but no we are not sure

rotund ferry
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Another random question, I've heard that the soundtrack plays into the lore. That true?

light solar
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And also your wife dying

wintry root
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and you also maybe dying?

unborn cypress
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Sounds like a win win

wintry root
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lmao

tall pendant
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whats the lore behind the bosses?

nocturne wharf
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Butcher is a taxidermied Meathead, spider is 7 people in an elaborate "hug"

tall pendant
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and the assasin?

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is it like a colony of roaches together forming a beast?

nocturne wharf
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We don't speak of the assassin.

rigid gulch
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First rule of the Assassin ? We don't speak about the Assassin ? 🙂

nocturne wharf
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He was a bad boy, deserves no credit.

tall pendant
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shame

nocturne wharf
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Or recognition

tall pendant
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guess ill have to google it then Huntingdoge

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reddit will have the answer

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oh god this is long

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alright

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Vincent Corsica

sterile sonnet
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#saveLoreHardcore

slate sluice
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Sometimes you gotta flex on a mf by splitting up into three guys and going down different alleyways

rotund ferry
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Didn't he come from the Prison?

winged minnow
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I don't think we even know how vincent went all buggy suddenly

exotic yoke
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no, we only got teh accounts by harold black

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where he knew him when he was alive but was already showing the assassin abilities (throing the dagger whilst hanging on a wall and splitting into 3 copies). Then Vincent vanished. Harold came to fight the Assassin later and recognized vincent in him

kind gull
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I am not into lore at all. But do you have any info about birds all over the map and why bird letter is so cheap

untold drum
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I think they're teasing the next boss

kind gull
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I thought about some kind of easter egg with dead crows and this particular gun

wintry root
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yo

earnest jungle
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The Assassin’s lore seems to be connected to the mass lynching of 11 Italian Americans in 1891.

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The 11 men in question were lynched after being accused of participation in the assassination of David C. Hennessy the Chief of Police for Nee Orelans

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Modern historians generally believe the 11 men were innocent and Hennessy’s death too amateurish to be a mafia assassination

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And that the lynching was in fact a plot to eliminate economic competition. As not long after the lynching several of the leaders or the mob were rewarded with a monopoly on New Orleans Dock Work.

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If Vincent lost family or friends to the Lynch mob this might support my theory that the outbreak is being facilitated by disgruntled misanthropic humans with a grudge against the City of New Orleans.

wintry root
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interesting

jovial galleon
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How many Russian/French Mercenaries are in the Bayou? Considering we have a whole lot of Mosin’s and Lebel’s floating around, as well as Nagant Revolvers.

wintry root
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don't know. not many

rotund ferry
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Thank carcass gunrunner for that. He’s the one that ships in all of those guns.

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Oh yeah, and I have a question

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In lore, are hunters generally peaceful to one another?

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Also, seeing as it’s still US land, that means that they can all also be charged for murder too

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I have a feeling that what happens in the dead zone stays in the dead zone

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So my head canon answer is no

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Fair enough

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The hunters can also be charged with desecration of the dead

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Looting, burning, etc

frail estuary
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i doubt that

rotund ferry
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I feel like most hunters given their backgrounds are already outlaws

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True

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It’s just another label for them if they are caught or rumored to be murderers

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I’m pretty sure that the hunters don’t even have a life outside of the bayou anymore, and even if they do get charged I can see the phantom being the only one weaseling his way out of the charges

frail estuary
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i disagree

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it's the AHA

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a known organization of people that go into these infected areas

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and clear out high value targets that are very dangerous

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arresting them would just mean nobody is clearing anything out

rotund ferry
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That’s true too

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So I guess someone super high up on the ladder said that it’s a necessary evil and let them continue their operations

frail estuary
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thats what i would say

rotund ferry
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But still, it’s kinda funny to imagine the hunters trying to weasel their way out of the charges with phantom as their lawyer

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Maybe phantom is the only one who can get out of being persecuted, considering that he, unlike the others, actually has an esteemed background in spite of being guilty of patricide

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I think after the loss of his arm leg and parts of his face the phantom’s life as a lawyer was effectively over

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Well the phantom never lost a leg

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He just has a brace

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I can see him still practicing even with those issues

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But the face? Mmm

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What’s his excuse for that?

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And also, why the hell can the dude sprint and jump when he has a brace

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Voodoo magic?

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Yeah the arm is enhanced with some kind of voodoo cast by Lynch

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Ah I see

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You know, why did phantom kill his dad anyways

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I think his father betrayed him or lead to him getting crippled

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Oh I see

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So it’s not just the phantom suddenly becoming a serial killer

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Which is quite sad really because he had a great life

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But now he’s kinda stuck in the swamps

amber harbor
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Did they update the duplicate entry in the BoW?

earnest jungle
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We can gather from the letters of Russel Chambers that while there’s always been competition among the hunters following the death or Huff everything got a lot worse.

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Chambers comments that since Lynch showed up everything has gone topsy turvy.

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If I were to hazard a guess most hunters are divided into factions.

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I’m guess that when Huff died all the other faction leaders blamed each other and old feuds and competitions erupted into a bloody civil war.

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If they ever get the money and time this plot line would probably make for a good comic, tv show, movie, or even just a standalone game.

wintry root
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@earnest jungle think Django Unchained, but Hunt

earnest jungle
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???

wintry root
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revisionist western at its finest

rotund ferry
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(Seasons 1-4)

earnest jungle
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I was more confused on the connection but then I realized oh yeah a Django Unchained style western but for Hunt would be awesome

rotund ferry
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Hateful Eight would also be a dope inspiration, hunters with an imposter or imposters within their faction

rotund ferry
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So how exactly did the ammo boxes and supply points around the map get there?

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and who the hell keeps restocking them?

fierce sinew
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The guy that restocks them is the same guy that fixes all the windows and doors we bust apart.

rotund ferry
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I think they’re just remnants of the residents and people passing through the dead zone

amber harbor
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big dynamite bundle blows up the entire basement at chapel
Local: this looks like a job for me

exotic yoke
exotic yoke
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so... btw i assume we got/get a BIG lore dump. With all them dead crows, the "dead is a bird" skin. On the Stream, they said that it is a song carved into it. And the new entries coming with 1.4.8 are connected, the Journal of James Byrne being fairly new (with Finch already in charge) and being recruited because Finch knows his "plaque" being "the song" ......

rotund ferry
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You wanna know something funny

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Salveskin basically means that your character moisturizes before a match lol

wintry root
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got dat really gud hand cream

mossy bough
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Question: where can I find out all about the lore of this wonderful game?

mossy bough
junior pecan
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@mossy bough what do you want to know. I can tell you most of the legitimate stuff minus the old theories, but those are defunct anyway.

mossy bough
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Is there a website or something for all of the lore

junior pecan
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Check pinned messages for the beginners introduction, but that one sometimes makes questionable statements. If its the one I remember, at least.

exotic yoke
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there is also a doc pinned listing all the sauce we have, but there is no compiled "this is how lore do" text in any form afaik

mossy bough
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Thanks

exotic yoke
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its prolly partways because this is hard to compile in a good form and partways because most lore we have is by very unreliable sources

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a lot of at least semi-fictional works, diary entries that wont necessarily tell the whole truth etc

buoyant nebula
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So Finch runs the AHA now?

late tinsel
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Probably temporarily, if he survives. Maybe long term, if he survives.

atomic crow
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Is the Phantom missing a leg too or only an arm ?

stuck quiver
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How do hunters have supernatural powers? And how are they immune to the plague?

nocturne wharf
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It's not exactly either. Hunters undergo a ritual, using the demon blood. It affects them, but i wouldn't call them "immune".

junior pecan
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@nocturne wharf immune to the present pathogen, vulnerable to other, less imminent ones.

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@stuck quiver In hunt lore, voodoo rituals yield real results, some are quick and easy, some take more time and effort.

molten forge
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It's not exactly either. Hunters undergo a ritual, using the demon blood. It affects them, but i wouldn't call them "immune".
@nocturne wharf For example in the Timothy Stone stories there's a Hunter on her way to becoming a grunt

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If I were to hazard a guess most hunters are divided into factions.
@earnest jungle This could imply future player factions possibly becoming canon

rotund ferry
rotund ferry
winged minnow
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And the serum they inject slowly kills them over time

rotund ferry
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Which is big sad

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Oh yeah

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How did phantom get his leg brace anyhow?

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Was he just born with a piece of crap leg, or was it damaged somehow?

fierce sinew
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Given he's also missing an arm I'd assume it was all one big incident.

junior pecan
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@winged minnow that depends on interpretation. It does lead to death over time, but theres nuance to that statement

exotic yoke
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that subfactions of hunters exist is canon from the newest texts added in 1.4.8 After Huffs death the AHA went into Chaos and different subgroups started to fight aginst each other, most likely to try to fill this void of power.

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btw, where does this "Demon Blood" come from? What exactly are considered demons in hunt?

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it was never really confirmed that Finch took over, but he is the one the twins/lynch wanted to get to after Huffs death to take that part and he seems to at least kind of fill that role in some sort. My guess is that Finch did take over, but it is hinted over and over again that he is at least on the brink of being utterly mad himself. So the other Subgroups of (more fanatical) hunters saw the opportunity in this.

sick wadi
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Whats the lore behind hunters fighitng in hunt showdown

rotund ferry
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They are all in competition for the bounties, they don’t have to kill each other but it’s mostly to keep a monopoly on the bounty money or other resources, there are also hunters and organizations that have personal grievances with other conflicting parties

edgy silo
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they literally just want money yeah

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also i dont know if im just making this up, but the "demon blood" serum thingy comes from the same sort of process that the hunters use for initiation, like they do some magical stuff to it

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though the actual source i cant remember if anything says something about it

winged minnow
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I think it's the pax claw entries in the book of weapons that talk about the process for the initiation serum

junior pecan
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Pax and pax claw entries cover the initiation serum. Biological entity sent in strictly to consume biomass is captured and has its own biomass distilled to create the inoculum. @exotic yoke subfactions have been confirmed since the old lore. John hunter talks specifically about his time with the sinners.

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This is probably the simplest explanation of the serum. Simplest in that it has the least assumptions and complexity, not that it is the easiest to understand, nor is it confirmed fact.

wintry root
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Interesting

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Makes sense

exotic yoke
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@junior pecan thanks for the doc, and explaination.

Oh yeah the Sinners were a thing. In general we only know they exist, in what capacity they work with/against each other is still completely speculation. The way i interpreted it was, that the Sinners were kind of a subgroup more through heritage (they were arabian mostly?). The other subgroups like Ishim Girds ppl, the voodoo hunters, night of the hunt followers etc also already existed under Huff, but in the Nagant officer entries Chambers says that after Huffs death the fights between those groups grew worse and it was not long before an all out war between factions

junior pecan
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I agree, i was just saying it has been proven before 1.4.8

lofty dawn
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What year does the game take place?

tall lava
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1895

lofty dawn
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Ok thanks

fiery forge
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Is there any reason why hunters can sustain fatal wounds and still be picked back up/ revived?

junior pecan
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Hahaha! Took someone long enough to ask. Go look at the machete mastery, i believe that is the one. It’s the biggest indication of widespread exchange between dimensions.

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If you can’t be bothered, it’s another ritual practice, though much mastered on both ends, considering how old that particular deal has been going on. It can be performed in our reality in a matter of seconds, (at least in the bayou, probably because of the rifts) and has very high quality results despite the Loa’s difficulty with biology

neat mica
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yeah, the reviving aspect really does seem to involve people who would be otherwise dead coming back in the lore

rotund ferry
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Also could you perhaps send a pic of the machete entry?

junior pecan
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You can find it on the wiki but yeah

rotund ferry
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Ah okay

junior pecan
rotund ferry
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So lynch died by failing to cook a frag

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Lmao

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And thanks btw

winged minnow
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Maybe it was a sticky bomb SmugEddy

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Much more make-shift

rotund ferry
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Imagine holding it for eight seconds tho

fiery forge
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Mentions shrapnel so it was prob frags. I'm guessing instead of cooking it she was maybe making them instead

neat mica
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kinda does imply the idea of a self revive somehow

rotund ferry
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It seems like she’s able to possess/manifest new corporal forms just due to the implication at the end

stuck quiver
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I think the new boss is going to be named "The Scarecrow"
It has something to do with birds.

mild iris
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How is that gonna be any different from the assassins bugs? I think we just need a bigass rat that deals heavy bleeding

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I assume its made of birds, but im probably wrong

wintry root
# junior pecan

Lynch is gone 🦀 🦀 🦀

sadly probably not for long though

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could this actually be the confirmation of lynch being the sculptor, or a pawn of one?

amber harbor
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she doesnt seem to be especially pissed at the sculptor, to be fair

junior pecan
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One of the last pieces of ABATS says “Lynch wasn’t the only one with a grudge” or something along those lines, in the context of the supernatural. I’ve been saying this since we got pax claw 1, lynch isn’t human, she’s a loa occupying a human body. But she doesn’t work for the sculptor, the Loa realm may be just as varied as our own, she is an independent party.

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And her actions, sadism, and lack of disgust systems probably arent just thematic, theyre another indication of Loa being based mostly in spirit.

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Which goes right back to mirror

exotic yoke
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i wonder if she is gonna have some serious ties to the new boss

amber harbor
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well she did turn a guy into a human crow

exotic yoke
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yep. and the new boss is a human-ish crow i guess ......

rotund ferry
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She also can go full bird mode as well, as is stated in Bad As They Seem

amber harbor
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supposedly

rotund ferry
earnest jungle
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That’s really really not true

rotund ferry
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It seems more like they each have their own agendas and conflicting interests

earnest jungle
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The Loa in Hatian Vodou are intermediaries between humanity and the god of Haitian Vodou Bondye they’re not malevolent nor are they benevolent

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They instead operate on a spectrum of hot and cool.

rotund ferry
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Ohhh I see

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My bad

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Can u explain so I can be more aware in the future?

earnest jungle
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Haitian Vodou is a syncretic faith that combines Indigenous African and Christian theology.

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There is one god in Vodou Bondye, but Bondye is a distant creator deity who doesn’t intervene directly in our world

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Instead Bondye Interacts with the world through the Loa. Powerful spirits with distinct personalities.

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There are many families of loa with many different loa in them and these loa can have different aspects.

rotund ferry
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Oh so loa are merely vessels for which the creator god can manifest himself

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And I guess each loa is a vessel for a bit of Bondye to interact with the world?

earnest jungle
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No

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Think of them as middle men and women

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But that might not be the best characterization either.

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If you're a Catholic they're kind of like Saints and Angels

rotund ferry
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This is way more complicated then I originally thought but I am intrigued so do continue

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Yeah I’m catholic

earnest jungle
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Except you worship them and serve them

rotund ferry
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So yes that makes sense

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So like minor deities

earnest jungle
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Yes except they're very specifically not gods.

rotund ferry
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Simply middle men for said god

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Right?

earnest jungle
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Well not simply middle men

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They're powerful spirits in and of themselves and if you disrespect them bad things happen

rotund ferry
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So not channels, but not middle men

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But entities who act in the favor of some higher thing and you need to respect them

earnest jungle
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Yes I think

rotund ferry
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Via worship and such

earnest jungle
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Yes this is where the loa possession thing comes from

rotund ferry
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And because of the fact that the Loa act in the favor of higher power x, that’s why they have their own conflicting agendas

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Because voodoo is polytheistic yeah?

earnest jungle
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Henotheistic would be a more percise term I feel.

rotund ferry
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Ah that makes more sense

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Because Bondye is a thing that exists

earnest jungle
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I'm not sure how acurate it would be to say the Loa have conflicting agendas in the Haitian Vodou but in the games universe they certainly do.

rotund ferry
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Yeah I was referring to in lore entities

earnest jungle
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This is the main problem of talking about this subject. Haitian Vodou is a real religion with real practitioners but there's also the fictionalized portrayal of it in the game.

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And the game's version of Vodou isn't necessarily 1 to 1 with the actual Vodou faith

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For example the entities in game are very clearly operate on a spectrum of malevolence and benevolence. When real Loa are believed to operate on a spectrum of hot and cool. There are no good loa and there are no evil loa there are just Loa. Some of those Loa are cool tempered and some of these Loa are hot tempered. Typically Loa believed to be from Africa are cool, and Loa believed to be from the Caribbean are Hot tempered.

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So it may be perhaps inappropriate to describe these entities as Loa because they don't necessarily act like Loa.

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Unless my theory is correct and this incident is a result of someone offending a Loa or a group of Loa and the outbreak is a result of this angered Loa lashing out. But that would conflict with the depiction of the entities as predatory beings as seen in the Pax lore.

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Likewise in Haitian Vodou a Loa may posses a person during a service but this is for the purpose of the Loa being honored, fed, and served. But once that has achieved and the Loa has dispensed with some advice they leave. In the games Lore possession seems more long term and seems to have much more in common with Christian Demonic Possession.

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With all of that said again the Loa can be dangerous creatures if disrespected. If Barron Kriminel is offered food he does not like while possessing someone he may threaten to bite chunks of flesh out of his host's arms and may demand chickens to be burned alive to appease his anger. His volatile nature makes sense because Barron Kriminel was in life a murderer, and because he was the first murderer to be put to death he became a Loa of the Ghede family after his death

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His victim is sometimes said to be another member of the Ghede Family Nibo the first murder victim

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Barron kriminel is also sometimes identified as an Aspect of Barron Samedi

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And as such is a guardian of graveyards

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Barron Samedi is interesting because it's his job to ensure the dead remain dead according to the Vodou

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He's also been known to make deals with mortals and to grant them power and protection

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But at the same time given his nature and his domain if someone were to come to Barron Samedi asking for the power to raise the dead to unleash a zombie plague on the world that they'ed end up having an unpleasant meeting with Barron Kriminel

wintry root
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🤔 👍

exotic yoke
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Forgive my ignorance but is the haitian vodou the type practiced in New Orleans at that time? Ive often read that new orleans kinda grew its own thing in a way, but you can read a lot about „New Orleans Voodoo“ with polly 80% of it being bad hoaxes

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But the overall combination of very underlying voodoo/vodou themes and christianity is really interesting in hunt.

polar fable
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Sure, there’s doctor John who is a legendary hunter and also a real life voodoo practitioner and Marie laveau who is mentioned in the lore and also a real person from that time

exotic yoke
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ive read (again always a bit dodgy on credibility) that marie laveau "learned" under doctor John

junior pecan
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We only use haitian voodoo terms in the context of Hunt due to their adjacency to the events at hand. Voodoo is a ritualistic religion, much more than abrahamic or hindu religions. We’ve already seen the effects of abrahamic worship, buildup of spiritual energy, but a lack of actual expenditure. That’s what the immolator came from, a pastor with built up energy, so much so that the mutagen made him spiritually volatile, enough to burn an otherwise impossible amount.

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Iirc the salt circle in Pax traces back to hinduism

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The reason Laveau is mentioned as being a powerful ally of Lynch’s is because of the rift. This opening between realities makes the direct and straightforward spirituality of voodoo much more practical and profitable

rotund ferry
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There are also ethnoreligious interpretations of the entities of the Huntverse other than voodoo, we know for sure that the Chinese have a way of dealing with and interpreting the otherworldly forces, the Hopi and of course orthodox Christianity are also mentioned

junior pecan
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Thats where the main point of mirror theory comes from. The fact that these entities conform to so many beliefs means that a generality between them has a high likelihood of being true, leading to the assertion of the Loa being immaterial

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From there all you need to do is ask, what would a mostly immaterial organism be like, and what is actually leaving our reality in all of this?

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Then you start to see all the connections and evidence pointing at it. Some literal, some thematic.

exotic yoke
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where is the mention of laveau being an ally to Lynch?

earnest jungle
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New Orleans Voodoo leans more into the mystical and folk magic aspects of the Haitian Vodou.

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Charms, amulets, fetishes, and spells play a greater role in Mississippi Valley Voodoo in part because the slave population was not large enough to revolt.

neat mica
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you know, something that could be an interesting avenue of exploration,lorewise might be having a Charles Fort type character trying to piece together what the heck is going on

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Charles Fort was this turn of the century proto-conspiracy theorist

earnest jungle
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Oh and fun fact: The Bone Doctor was real

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Doctor John was a real person and a real practitioner of Voodoo

neat mica
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Fort would collect bizarre news stories from around the world and opine on them, try to make sense of them, offer theories

exotic yoke
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maybe harold was kind of meant to be that kind of character

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but we mostly only get monster lore from him

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btw, you guys think there is something more to the 1.4.8 lore drops?

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it certainly seems very interconnected, with the death letter, the carbine deadeye and musket logs, and all the build up for the new boss

neat mica
# 
Examples of the odd phenomena in Fort's books include many occurrences of the sort variously referred to as occult, supernatural, and paranormal. Reported events include teleportation (a term Fort is generally credited with inventing),[13][14] falls of frogs, fishes, and inorganic materials,[1] spontaneous human combustion,[1] ball lightning[1] (a term explicitly used by Fort), poltergeist events, unaccountable noises and explosions, levitation, unidentified flying objects, unexplained disappearances, giant wheels of light in the oceans, and animals found outside their normal ranges (see phantom cat). He offered many reports of out-of-place artifacts (OOPArts), strange items found in unlikely locations. He was also perhaps the first person to explain strange human appearances and disappearances by the hypothesis of alien abduction and was an early proponent of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, specifically suggesting that strange lights or objects sighted in the skies might be alien spacecraft.```
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i mean this seems right up Hunt's alley

junior pecan
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@exotic yoke somewhere in ABATS, lynch gives Huff grief because he’s interacting with Laveau.

rotund ferry
junior pecan
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Dolls

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It means dolls

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Dont woosh me

earnest jungle
# rotund ferry ...fetishes? *the fuck?*

More precisely it means any object that is a human made object that is believed to poses magical properties. Historically used by Europeans to described African artifacts/relics.

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Not to be confused with a Commodity Fetish or Sexual Fetish which describe the social relations of commodities and a sexual fixation on a nonliving concept or item respectively.

rotund ferry
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Ahhhh I see

wintry root
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Language changes. You'd be suprised how differently people spoke just 125 years agon

wintry root
# neat mica ```Fortean phenomena Examples of the odd phenomena in Fort's books include many ...

From Wikipedia: Fort suggested that there is a Super-Sargasso Sea into which all lost things go,[1] and justified his theories by noting that they fit the data as well as the conventional explanations. As to whether Fort believed this theory, or any of his other proposals, he himself noted, "I believe nothing of my own that I have ever written."

Looks like the AHA got to him bois

neat mica
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honestly, if you ever get the chance, try to read "the book of the damned" it's basically a large collection of anomalous late 1800s early 1900s stories. I can very easily picture the Louisiana incident being alluded to in such writings. Especially if layered in rumor, conjecture, local coverup, and unreliable narrators

neat mica
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Excuse the pink, my lighting is weird

rotund ferry
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A sign of a dark room with a gamer PC

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I like it

oak hearth
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Is it known what caused the disaster that produced all these monsters in the bayou/delta?

zealous blade
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Something called the sculptor or sculptors

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They’re an otherworldly/inter dimensional entity that create what seen in hunt

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It’s hinted in the lore that not only is this an isolated incident, but that this particular sculptor or group of sculptors are different

warped stream
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Is Russell Chambers still alive in the story? Or did he die.

junior pecan
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He’s up

modern marsh
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Dumb question. The director of the AHA died, at least I think so. So, does the AHA exist per se to in-game times, or has it split into different factions?

junior pecan
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It was never a cohesive organization, just some sort of authority in matters. Huff did however have a number of men under his direct command, and when he died the already preexisting factions ramped up conflict between eachother

modern marsh
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So, the Asylum at Jackson was something like decentralized hub for all of them?

warped stream
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What are all the organizations?

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This stuff is super interesting, but I feel like a novel or something would be amazing to tie it all together or flesh it out.

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Comics, official short stories, etc

modern marsh
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There are some religious zealots, voodo boys

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Something that has Sheriff Hardin in it

earnest jungle
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Let’s see there’s:
•Dr John (the Bone Doctor) and his Voodou Chapter.
• Issac Powel (The Night Seer) and his Night of the Hunt Cult
• Ishim Gird (The Reverend) and his congregation
• Sheriff Hardin and his posse of deputized convicts.
• Philip Huff Jones and Elwood Finches band of hired killers and mental patients.
• The Sinners a predominantly Muslim cult of hunters

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And past but not least
• Lynch and the McGowan Twins

warped stream
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Have any legendary characters involving The Sinners been released? That'd be neat if so

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I feel like the others are fairly represented

earnest jungle
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Unfortunately no

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The Twins are also not in the game even though their father is

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Other more independent hunters include: John Victor/Voelkel and Elise Austin (Archaeologist) who are both tracking Lynch and the Twins independent of oneanother

junior pecan
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Twins are in game. Two of the tier 2 female hunters

earnest jungle
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No they’re not

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Names similar to but no exactly the same as their names are possible for female hunters to have but Jose and Fina McGowan are not in the game. Nor is Lynch.

junior pecan
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The models, the player models are in game

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One of the trailers implied it to be them. Green coat was one of em iirc

modern marsh
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Why are they in pursuit of them?

junior pecan
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Warn them. Never says what of

warped stream
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I really dig the Sheriff Hardin story. Bleak stuff, but in a setting like this it fits perfectly

modern marsh
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Are there any "good guys" or it's more like shades of grey all around?

earnest jungle
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From what we can tell John Voelkel is wise to Lynch’s schemes but we don’t know exactly what Lynch is up to so we don’t know why he’s after them or what he needs to warn them about.

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There aren’t really any good guys but there certainly are bad guys. Lynch, Powel, Huff, Finch they’re all up to something awful.

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Huff and Finch seem to be trying to harness the power of the other world for immortality. Lynch is trying to settle old grudges with otherworldly entities, and Powel is doing demon worshipping cult shit.

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After them we have Ishim Grid whose lost his god damn mind and wants to kill everyone in the Bayou

modern marsh
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Damn, i must have missed way more that i thought, always thought of Huff like a semi-good guy

earnest jungle
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Perhaps originally Huff was a seni-good guy and perhaps he still is but the newer lore implies he was up to something before his death.

modern marsh
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I ain't gonna deny, there certainly were some shady buissneses going around, I assumed that he wasn't doing all of this out of charity or out of care for Louisiana folks

fierce sinew
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Should be mentioned that Marshall Brewer seems to be trying to stop somebody in the AHA, and overall seems like the most "good guy" type in the game.

earnest jungle
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What’s interesting is historically speaking the Asylum at Jackson was radically progressive for its time in that it treated its patients like human beings under the historical Philip Huff Jones

exotic yoke
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chambers story seems to be the newest timeline wise, the way he talks about the aftermath of huffs death seemed like some time actually passed

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oh ... i think i might have mixed things up nvm

earnest jungle
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I feel it’s also the most reliable

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In terms of reliability from most to least reliable our sources are:

  • Journals
  • Reports
  • Letters
  • Fiction
  • Newspapers
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Journals are the most reliable source because there’s no audience for them so they’re not likely to contain information the writer knows to be false.

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For every other source their is an intended audience for that report and thus the pressure (however slight) to tell that audience what they want to hear

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And anything that’s published for a wide audience like a Newspaper or a Book is going to be heavily restricted to keep the public ignorant of the outbreak

exotic yoke
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on that note i wonder about BATS, since hayden talked about changing the manuscript in his letter. Is the version we see the changed or unchanged version

amber harbor
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when fiction is more reliable than news

exotic yoke
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he said the manuscript mostly got rejected because of the female protagonists and ppl not "believing" women to be capable of such things. So it might be that all the supernatural fuzz might be the changes, to reason with "look, those women were only powerful because demons" which were tales ppl were always happy with

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if we would take that into consideration it might just be that lynch was actually just a normal human(as "human" as hunters were) and incredible (and i guess ruthless) hunter. But being a woman, a lot of higher up men around that time wouldn't be happy with her being this successful, so they denounce all her gains by telling tales about her being a demon.

wintry root
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inteeresting

flint moss
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I would love just like, one character's story told beginning to end, that way I could more easily get my bearings on the story.

exotic yoke
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i started to create a "character map" (there is a real word for it im forgetting rn), trying to list all "factions" and characters aligned to them with arrows showing how they are connected to each other.... but that is actually a more daunting task than i anticipated

rotund ferry
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Like a character web?

steady bronze
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What happened to make the fucking hive or what caused the meathead

tall lava
mossy bough
earnest jungle
earnest jungle
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I say may because it’s described as eating it’s way out of the mother and the meatheads don’t have heads.

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Correction: the creature that emerged from Hannah Kinley was the first meathead

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William Salter also seemed to know Kinley ad the name was familiar to him and he shredded the letter detailing her fate.

spiral rune
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Anyone know where I can read/watch something about the hunt lore

rotund ferry
spiral rune
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Thanks

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👍

rotund ferry
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Anytime

cunning solar
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guys, what would happen if a hunter stuck his head into one of the clue holes?

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or any body part for that matter

median zealot
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Is it known who is putting helmets on dogs, concertina on armoreds, and the butchers smock on The Butcher for that matter?

I know not everything has to be tied to lore but im rly curious if we have any info.

earnest jungle
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The cages and helmets were likely a failed attempt to muzzle the grunts and hounds early on into the epidemic

neat mica
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concertina armored i'd assume were just armored who wandered stupidly through barbed wire

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and just kept on keepin on

rotund ferry
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That must suck balls

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Whenever I kill any monster except for a boss I feel like I put them out of their misery

flint moss
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And that taxidermist dude was the one who put the smock on the butcher, to hide how nasty it was

fast bane
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Yes, but who lit the grunts' torches 😔

inner bone
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Is the spider a servant from Atlach-Nacha?

nocturne wharf
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The spider is an amalgamation of 7 people

sturdy egret
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I think the spider is a powder version of Dr. Reed that added the other 7 into its body

wintry root
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the head is from that one girl Dr. Reed burried

rotund ferry
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Just out of curiosity

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I highly doubt there were weapon silencers in 1895 for the 45-90/44-40... were there?

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I’d assume the sparks in-game is chambered for 45-90, so that’s why I was specific

rustic bone
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No there weren’t silencers back then for that caliber

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Most of those rifles were meant to be shot across a massive prairie where you necessarily didn’t need a silencer

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Not to mention silencers back then weren’t meant for calibers that massive

rotund ferry
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Sparks LRR says otherwise

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But yeah makes sense

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I’m not taking games for fact btw, I’m just saying how lol

rustic bone
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Which is where you can take creative liability into affect but realistically I’ve shot a rifle chambered in what the sparks shoots and a silencer won’t necessarily works

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Oh yeah I never take games for fact unless they claim to

rotund ferry
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In a way, I’m happy for creative liberties because of the fact that DeSalle’s silence is an epic skin

rustic bone
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Also I like how the sparks does it where it’s 149 on most hits because realistically speaking that rifle should one shot any human target

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Oh it really is

rotund ferry
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Get a drink at the bar and tell their friends afterward for that matter

rustic bone
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True that’s if you make it out alive lol

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Cause typically if you take a sparks shot and it’s a hit you will die with it the next few minutes from a push

rotund ferry
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Yeah

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It’s designed to kill Buffalo

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Makes me wonder tho, why can’t you just take a sparks to a safari and use that for elephants instead of just making a full blown cartridge for the express purpose of killing beautiful endangered animals

exotic yoke
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But i love that the sparks silencer is still not silent. Its actually still fairly loud if youre close enough

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Its not realistic (because it didnt exist) but still credible

earnest jungle
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The first commercially viable silencer was manufactured in 1909 but otherwise the silencers are pretty accurate.

exotic yoke
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The avtomat is also a real gun, but the real world one was also well after 1900

earnest jungle
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So chalk it up to artistic license like with the LeMatt MII

exotic yoke
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What about the LeMatt? I havent looked into it yet, but thr gun existed right?

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Its actually one of the few they could use the real name of. Are there big differences between the real gun and the one in game?

earnest jungle
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Sorry I had a bloody nose and needed to deal with that

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The LeMatt did exists

exotic yoke
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No worries. Take your time

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Hope all is well ^^

earnest jungle
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Your ignorance of guns gave me a bloody nose /s

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The LeMatt did exists but the first version was a cap and ball revolver

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A second version of the LeMatt was created that fired pin fire cartridges

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But the grapeshot barrel was still reloaded like a cap and ball revolver

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Finally a proper cartage firing version was created and we got THIS hideous monstrosity

rotund ferry
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I always thought the LeMat looked fugly in general

earnest jungle
rotund ferry
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I was right 100 percent

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Duck

exotic yoke
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Oh wow. That last one IS ugly

rotund ferry
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Cap and ball LeMat is kinda ugly too ngl

exotic yoke
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But yeah. Ive binged the forgotten weapons channel on yt a bit but im still pretty ignorant lol. I dont know much about guns

earnest jungle
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As a prop gun for the TV Show: Johnny Ringo.

rotund ferry
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So it doesn’t work

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Big sadge

earnest jungle
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Well no it could probably fire blanks

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But I have no idea if it would be able to hold up with live ammunition and smokeless powder.

exotic yoke
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oh wow

rotund ferry
exotic yoke
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so, lemme exploit the fact i have ppl with knowledge available here, what about the chain pistols?

rotund ferry
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Chain pistols would not work

exotic yoke
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thats funnily enough the only one i havent found anything about from my "research" (just tried to google it once lol)

rotund ferry
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Heat from sustained fire would fire other cartridges at random

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It’s mentioned in the entry for the chain pistols too

exotic yoke
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yeah i guessed as much, but is that a something crytek came up with or was there a real world prototype for it or smth like it?

rotund ferry
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I think there was, technically speaking

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In the civil war a revolver carbine was developed

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Soldiers did not like it because hot powder would fly into other chambers because this was still the era of black powder, and fire off remaining cartridges

earnest jungle
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Chain pistols and rifles did exists but not in the form we see in game precisely for what then others have said

rotund ferry
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Yeah pretty much

earnest jungle
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This rifle was pretty much the only viable chain gun that would avoid the issue of chainfiring.

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The problem is the steps to fire it were so complex it could easily lead to accidents.

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To avoid chain firing you would pull that lever on the barrel to create an airtight seal between the barrel and chamber

rotund ferry
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Problem is that lever is located close to the barrel yes?

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Wait no

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Actually, hm

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I’m intrigued

earnest jungle
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Problem is the gun will still shoot even if you don’t pull down that lever and in the heat of battle you could easily forget the multi step process to firing the gun safely

rotund ferry
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Ah makes sense, yeah that’s what I was figuring

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Ultimately, having to do a multi step thing in the thick of battle is impractical at best, lethal at worst

earnest jungle
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Step One: Rotate Barrel Lever Up
Step Two: Manually cock the hammer
Step Three: Rotate the barrel lever down
Step Four: Pull the trigger

rotund ferry
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I mean, if what I’m interpreting what your saying is correct, that means that it could perhaps be suppressed seeing as you are creating an airtight seal with the lever

earnest jungle
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A chain Negant would probably function much better than a Chain Colt if for no other reason than the gun as an airtight seal by design

rotund ferry
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It would’ve made more sense to have a chain nagant as a variant as opposed to a Caldwell chain pistol but hey

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Also, it’s a video game, so ultimately who cares?

earnest jungle
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The thing is there were no Chain Negants but there were prototype chain pistols made in the US

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This is the only surviving Josselyn chain pistol

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It’s currently found in the Smithsonian

rotund ferry
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I can somewhat appreciate how minimalist and complex it is simultaneously

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What happened to the other ones?

earnest jungle
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Well this was a prototype gun so I imagine the same thing that happens to all prototypes that never see mass-production: they exploded, they were scrapped, they were lost, or are in a private collection somewhere

rotund ferry
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Makes sense tbh

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You know, how much do u wanna bet there’s like 50 hellreigels sitting in a warehouse somewhere

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Or in some rich dude’s attic

rotund ferry
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Yeah belted cylinders aren’t that great of a concept for a multitude of reasons, still interesting though

wintry root
light solar
wintry root
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yep

light solar
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Not that far out of the realm of possibility's that hunters fucked around and made new weapons

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They were smart enough and vindictive enough to do so

wheat quiver
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I'm sorry if this has been answered before, just looking for clarification, As Bad As They Seem is a fictionalised version of events including The Twins and Lynch, correct? Yet they do exist? But we can't be SURE that it was Lynch who actually killed Huffington (who IS Dr Jones the founder of the Lousiana chapter of the AHD right?). Do we know for sure who it actually was?

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Sorry, that's a bit convoluted, lot of questions in that. To Simplify,

  1. Is As Bad As They Seem purely fiction and not to be taken as canon at all?
  2. If it isn't entirely fiction, do we know what parts of it can be taken as canon?
  3. Is 'Huffington' another name for 'Dr Jones'?
  4. Is Dr Jones the founder of the Lousiana chapter of the AHA?
  5. Do we know for sure who it was that killed Dr. Jones (Philip Huff Jones, M.D., [aka Huffinton?]) ?
amber harbor
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  1. all fiction has a bit of truth in it
  2. no, we can make educated guesses which are only guesses
  3. yeah
  4. He was the leader at the time, the AHA has existed for a long time under many names
  5. not afaik
plain veldt
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The "real-life" Dr Philip Huff Jones, M.D, assistant superintendent at the Louisiana State Insane Asylum in Jackson (the East Louisiana State Hospital nowadays) died in 1946 at 90 years old.
Though, unlike his lore counter part, he likely didn't have to deal with paranormal shenanigans xD

steady lotus
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I want to know the story behind the revenant

earnest jungle
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This man may have killed Huff. But given this poster was a reward fir Fail Spanner being the first person to reach prestige 100 it may be non-cannon

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devout cedar
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"TheFailSpawner" FABFAB2

rotund ferry
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Is there any more lore on legendary hunters besides their description? Im asking because i would like to know more about Redshirt but it seems there is not much information

exotic yoke
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There is not much more about the Redshirt

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The trials have some extra info on legendary hunters, but its often nothing big

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for the redshirt it is one of those "compound run" trials that just talks about how fast he was iirc

rotund ferry
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Oh,makes sense to be fast if he has a target on himself, thank you a lot for answering

rotund ferry
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Yeah but i dont think there is any on Redshirt far as i know

royal pond
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Also maybe I'm crazy but don't the IRL Springfield 1866 and Sparks basically shoot the same round (.50-70 gov)?

ember halo
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Is La Llorona of Spanish or native American descent?

earnest jungle
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Both depending on the myth

rotund ferry
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I hope that may help

royal pond
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Yeah the wiki page at least send to suggest there are lots of chamberings for Sharps rifles.

rotund ferry
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Yeah 40s through 50s were common, 45 was the most popular in antiquity, along with a slough of case lengths

exotic yoke
rotund ferry
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Played a game where my teammates both died and i 1v3 and i was the last man standing on the whole map since they perma died, guess he won his bet :D

dusky forge
rotund ferry
exotic yoke
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i also wouldn't read too much into his lore, since his existence is essentially just a reference. Its really fun how they turned the story around like that tho

rotund ferry
exotic yoke
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in star trek members of the crew with red shirts were always the ones that died

keen saffron
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Zombies an shit

rotund ferry
exotic yoke
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yeah. All in with the old ass joke about wearing the red shirt so they dont see ya bleed being cool 'til you wear brown pants

dire quartz
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anyone down to play MIC needed!!

violet slate
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What is the lore behind the bosses

hardy cargo
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Alright, I’ve looked through this channel after searching ‘map’ and I only really found people saying that “(insert a location) would be a cool map” out of 14 pages and I didn’t find what I was looking for. So, do we know much of location outside of the playable areas on maps? I understand it would be Louisiana and such but when it comes to something like where Hunters would dwell after a hunt, I don’t think I saw an answer while searching. I mean, they have to go somewhere with the extractions having horses and boats, right?

rotund ferry
hardy cargo
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I figured the same about some way to cash in their bounty, I’m not sure where to go to dig deeper but thank you for giving me an answer!

rotund ferry
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Yeah np! Sorry it’s not super definite

hardy cargo
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All good! Have a wonderful day or night!

rotund ferry
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Maybe even some military forts, since some of those were big trading places at some times in history

karmic sierra
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So all this shit, the monsters, the zombies, are because of some infection?

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I swear if aliens get involved in this

rotund ferry
amber harbor
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they turn it in at finches cabin, a ceasefire zone

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the bounty has actual use in prolonging life

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technically the sculptor is an alien

rotund ferry
amber harbor
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just from a different plane

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yo what

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they dont like it

rotund ferry
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Well all the bounty carriers go to the same place to check in

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As you say

amber harbor
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its sacred ground or smth

rotund ferry
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Wouldnt hunters that meet before the ceasefire zone traveling to Finches Cabin just start fights

amber harbor
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they might kill finch and get no more money

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idk

royal pond
rotund ferry
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Might be, but i was implying someone like Blackcoat would try to ambush a carriage on the road to the Cabin

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If lawman would patrol the areas around the road to the Cabin it would be impossible, yes

exotic yoke
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in short you prolly COULD ignore that rule, but consequences would be grave

exotic yoke
# hardy cargo Alright, I’ve looked through this channel after searching ‘map’ and I only reall...

the Lore speaks of a couple places outside of the playable maps. first there would be the Louisiana Asylum run by Huff, the director of the AHA, but even though the AHA is seemingly a government organization its kept a secret, so that wouldn't be a place for hunter to go to (most likely a place where Huff can recruit Hunters and let them "vanish" in the asylum through paperwork, sending them to the bayou - oh and doing experiments with bounties etc.) Hunters would also just go to different cities in the vicinity between hunts as is stated in some lore texts. And there is the already mentioned Cabin in the Bayou that Finch was sent to, to create a kind of Hub area for hunters. but there is not a lot of info about that

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oh and its also not stated that its in the bayou at all, i gotta correct myself, sry. might as well be in Jackson, where Huff's Asylum is, since he also brought Finch into the Asylum as a Doctor one year later

amber harbor
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afaik the aha is doing its own thing, no government involved

rotund ferry
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Literal zombies and demons
No government involvement

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Doesnt really make sense

amber harbor
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not if the government doesnt know

proven solar
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Government not really doing anything makes perfect sense to me

junior pecan
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@rotund ferry its implied that governmental intervention was a failure and what remains of their actions against the bayou is corruption, disregard and public denial. The ammo boxes all come from an infantry division.

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Hunters are effectively use special forces tactics, avoiding the brunt of enemy force, striking at key points, theyre not a governmental organization, theyre like a vaguely coordinated central logistics body

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@karmic sierra its both aliens and not aliens. Theyre from a different reality, but we’ve been interacting with them for so long that theyve become part or all of the basis for most world religions

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So ghosts, spirits, messiahs, all a result of their interactions with us

rotund ferry
junior pecan
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Yes, but thats the point. The grunts and other foes regenerate, and they dont lose much biomass due to the precise nature of gunfire.

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Or are regenerated, more accurately

rotund ferry
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Yeah the military in the lore so far doesn’t have access to the serum or knowledge of the ritual, so they can’t really survive in the dead zone, plus the military effort was aimed at the Philippine at this time, making it easier to just hire hunters to take care of it

rotund ferry
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This does not stop members of the military participating however, as seen by some of the tier 2 hunter skins

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At least, so it seems

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Am I correct on this ^ @rotund ferry

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Yeah seems right!

rotund ferry
junior pecan
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You joke but this is legitimate evidence for mirror theory

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Kind of the base drive of it

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Well, half of the basis, at least

rotund ferry
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What’s mirror theory

winged minnow
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Pretty interesting stuff

exotic yoke
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the letters found in the fort proof that some soldiers stayed behind after the war, when the first signs of the event started

rotund ferry
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I don’t think so, or at least I haven’t seen anything implying it

winged minnow
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Isn't sherrif hardin dead though?

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I thought I read a newspaper clipping about him being hung

rotund ferry
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Yeah I think any legally given titles are now just informal nicknames, like the lore excerpt with Brewer

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Well i assume they joined the organization to do good rather than for the money, atleast from what i've heard they both seem lawful chaotic

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Even though the organization doesnt have the worlds interests at heart

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Yeah I know Hardin has a personal stake as his home town was infected

rotund ferry
winged minnow
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It's possible I mistook the newspaper clipping talking about John Wesley Hardin with Sheriff Hardin

rotund ferry
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@rotund ferry Was Blackcoat among the inmates that Sherrif Hardin made a posee out of? Why did he let him go?

cerulean tinsel
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well i assume they joined the organization to do good rather than for the money, atleast from what ive heard they both seem lawful chaotic

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even though the organization doesn't have the worlds interests at heart

exotic yoke
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@rotund ferry The Blackcoat was a criminal a while before. He is the father of the Twins Jos and Fin and was murdered by them

rotund ferry
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So blackcoat is canon dead

exotic yoke
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i think its pretty hard to read some bigger motivations in Hardin's behavior than strict survival. Its interesting he is not part of Huffs Men tho

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yes, as far as BATS is to be believed he died a while before game-time

rotund ferry
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Whats BATS

exotic yoke
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Bad as They Seem

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a lore Text from the Book of Weapons

rotund ferry
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Thank you both

crystal jungle
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hella interesting that mirror theory text, thanks a lotBigBrain

junior pecan
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@winged minnow faked death IRL if i remember correctly. Implied to be Hardin, having faked his death and now in a hanging, and now working in the Bayou

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@crystal jungle just remember, as soon as devs majorly expand the lore thats probably out the window. There’s no way the devs would go this long without expanding upon or directly hinting towards mirror theory if it were true. No author would sit on such an intriguing dynamic

wintry root
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Well, its canon to me

exotic yoke
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im really excited for new lore tho

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with a new boss and map there will be a fuckton of new stuff .... hopefully at least ^^"

rotund ferry
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^^

rotund ferry
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ah yes

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the lore

junior pecan
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What does it say in abats

glossy falcon
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Let's keep it to Lore 🙂

rotund ferry
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he was talking about the stalingrad event

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thats where the corruption took place in russia

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and they called it ping

rotund ferry
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I’ve managed to describe every single legendary in 1 sentence

Redshirt: He was promised land out west, but never left for some reason, in spite of the fact he’s done his dare at least 100 times now

Phantom- A cripple with a mask and a penchant for violence... whatever that means.

Black Coat- His coat probably stinks, in spite of this he is the only hunter in lore who is confirmed to have gotten sum fuk

Bone Doctor- Doctor John but cooler

Researcher- A strange old man who has no real reason to be in the bayou with uneducated scum, yet here he is

Redneck- aforementioned uneducated scum, either that or his intellect is beyond mortal comprehension

Mountain Man- wow lookit me I have a bear hat gets fucking domed

Skinflint- His name sounds like some kind of strange sexual lingo, so everyone just says Scrooge; in addition, him and black coat are among the sweatiest in the bayou, literally and physically

Zhong Kui: Chinese monster hunter, basically an Asian tier 3

Dead Blessing: Chinese monster hunter but with inclusion!

Weird Sister: Stinky goth girl with dreads, Felis is better

Felis: Stinky goth girl also with dreads, but better than the other one

Night Acolyte- Literally a tier 3, her overcoat still spawns on some hunters still (I’m serious!)

Night Seer- Same story as night acolyte, pretty much (he has some cool sunglasses tho)

Llorona’s Heir: Spooky, crazy bitch who drowns people, hence the name

Marshall Brewer: Ex marshal but still kills bad guys and wears the uniform, much like Hardin (Brewer x Hardin when UwU)

Sheriff Hardin: Everyone’s favorite Sheriff, second only to woody

The Rat: Cool backstory, boring visuals, next

The Archaeologist: Had a vision that prompted her to begin a life of slaughter, much like Scrooge

Billy Story: Black Coat’s cooler and better brother, he’s very jealous

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Carcass Gunrunner: Canonically
confirms the fact that your fancy guns arrive in a moldering pig carcass

The Reverend: Priest driven mad by the plague, pretty cool backstory but that doesn’t stop him from being utterly nuts, has a very fine taste in weaponry however

The Revenant: A corpse with a poor taste in shirts and weapon design, probably smells like mothballs, pretty cool detail on the bullet hole tho if not a bit large...

Ronin: Has a coolish mask, I guess

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I think that’s all of them

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@rotund ferry you forgot

nocturne wharf
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@rotund ferry go with the former regarding the Redneck

rotund ferry
west sinew
rotund ferry
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I have a question about the butcher- Is there any other info about him? I know how he has been created. But how did it come to life?

rotund ferry
west sinew
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👍

rotund ferry
west sinew
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Def better

nocturne wharf
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The former m8, as in what was left of his intellect (from the inbreeding) was utterly shattered by the Louisiana event, hence he's an uncultered/unwashed/uneducated scum.

rotund ferry
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Fair

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Want me to describe every legendary weapon in one sentence next?

wheat quiver
rotund ferry
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Wait wha, the entry ends with the taxidermist going to sleep

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Is there any place to read up on the lore entries? I've unlocked many, but due to the prestige system locking them up again and again, I am pretty much unable to access the entries.

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wait prestiging locks lore entries? jesus

rotund ferry
tall lava
earnest jungle
exotic yoke
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butcher is prolly not Roche, because the OG Meathead was a hunters babeh,

rotund ferry
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Yeah

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Which is freaky as fuck

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I’d feel better if the creatures came from actual people who were infected, like most other zombie apocalypses

earnest jungle
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The OG meathead came from a Hunter but I’m guessing all the meatheads since then were people who were infected

rotund ferry
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Wonder where the meatheads find their weapons

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Do they just wander around the bayou until they trip on something?

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Do the leeches being it a weapon?

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I’m confused

royal pond
rotund ferry
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Huh

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Makes sense

wheat quiver
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Grunts come from people and are a 'byproduct' of the event, they're not directly 'made' by the Sculptor. Armoured are carbon copies of one original made my the Sculptor (I think)

winged minnow
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I'm pretty sure the only enemies that aren't just copied are grunts

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Maybe armored since it's alluded to that they somehow come from grunts

royal pond
winged minnow
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You mean when it talks about the autopsy that they did on a grunt?

royal pond
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Yep

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Man the Hunt lore is so interesting. I'd love to some single player story stuff. But I don't think Crytek has the manpower at the moment.

winged minnow
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It's possible but I think that's just what makes a grunt come alive again since it seems like they have strange stuff where their heart would be

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The larva it seems to be pumping might just be what "reanimates" grunts

untold vine
rotund ferry
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Do u want me to do another everything in one sentence?

untold vine
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you should do one for guns

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or monsters or whatever.. Dude

rotund ferry
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I’m glad u liked it lol

rotund ferry
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Where can I find lore entries about the sculptor?

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I’d try the pinned comments

winged minnow
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There's not much about the sculptor specifically unfortunately

warm lagoon
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Because we don't really know much about him except that he's from another dimension

exotic yoke
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yeah, there sadly isnt really some organized lore in here.

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Im trying to do a character web like i mentioned once before, but that is actually a quite bit of work to put together and since i have like actual work to do its on a slow process. But once i got it in a somewhat presentable state i'll share it here. Would also be thankful for further advice then on possible mistakes i made/things i forgot etc

rotund ferry
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What exactly are rifts? Or clues- Because the lore states they are protected by the armored.

exotic yoke
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afaik there is no 100% confirmation on the true nature of it but its believed to be tears in our reality, that connects our world with the one of the sculptor. The sculptors influence seeps into our world through rifts like that, that's why he puts his minions there to protect them

rotund ferry
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Did the sculptor have any influence on the making of the butcher? The taxidermist created it- but it doesn't explain why its weapon can burn. The resistance to fire is explained tho

earnest jungle
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The Taxidermists describes i. His last entry a strange and intense heat coming from inside his creation

rotund ferry
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Wait wha, where is that from? The last butcher entry on the wiki just states that the taxidermist sleeps in the workshop

rotund ferry
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What are the flakey mold like growths in certain areas?

exotic yoke
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i dont know if there is much information about that beside "the influence of the sculptor". its a shame tho. I'd love to have more lore about Arden parish, since that cave area thing at the back of the town hall seems very... specific

livid thicket
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Is there any lore as to why there are no alligators in the swamps, ya know considering this takes place in Louisiana?

earnest jungle
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The “It” could be referring to the weather but the other uses of It all described the creature itself

pallid cape
livid thicket
pallid cape
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in notes about them is mentioned thet few alligators colonys still survived

livid thicket
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Ah... wonder why they don't attack ducks.

pallid cape
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i think is becose ducks can flay away but alligators been killd by them or starv to dead

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ou i missandrstand the question mm i thing they attak them too but 1) game machanik 2) duck can esely escape

earnest jungle
# pallid cape whater devls

Actually if I remember correctly it’s mentioned in the water devil lore that Alligators are among the few creatures to survive the Water Devils.

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Given that the plauge has driven off most of the wildlife its likely that most of the Gators have left in the afflicted regions for greener pastures. Though it would be terrifying to include alligators into the game.

pallid cape
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hmm but zombi aligator will be cool

amber shell
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@twin imp hes called a meat head because he has meat as his head :p

twin imp
amber shell
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theres a bunch of meat

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thus y hes called meat head

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he has meat instead of his head

twin imp
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If that is the case then i change my suggestion

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And want it to be named "Meatmeat"

earnest jungle
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The Meathead is a large, unintelligent, brutish creature and is thus a “meathead.”

twin imp
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No that also sounds reasonable

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I don't accept that either

rotund ferry
earnest jungle
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It’s ambiguous but given the Butcher is both immune to fire and is able to conjure hell fire I assume the “it” that is warm was the Butcher

rustic hearth
livid thicket
earnest jungle
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I imagine most of the alligators have simply left the bayou because most of their typical prey have left

livid thicket
earnest jungle
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Most of their remaining prey are birds and people and gators usually don’t predate on humans because we’re too big to deal with.

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And I doubt grunts are particularly nutritious.

exotic yoke
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gators not a fan of beef jerky

wheat quiver
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Pre sure the water devils ate all the gators

exotic yoke
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"For a long time, the waters of the bayou appeared to have gone silent. The usual wildlife had either fled, or been killed. Or both: it is likely that the creatures devoured whatever wildlife was not quick enough to flee to safer waters, but several populations of alligators clearly survived the infestation." as taken from the book of monsters https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Water_Devil ... sooo pre sure they did not ^^

Hunt: Showdown Wiki
Water Devil

Entry from Book of Monsters.

livid thicket
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"...Clearly survived..." 🤔

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If it was so clear that they had survived, then why aren't they in the game? DEVS, WHY DO YOU TORTURE ME THIS WAY?! 😩

exotic yoke
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the alligator thing is such a meme at this point im kinda tired of it

rotund ferry
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I mean it would be pretty cool to have alligators, there might only be a few spread across the bayou but if they survived they might be able to actually kill water devils

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It would be interesting to see AI be natural competitors

haughty urchin
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the gators could just be bear traps that move

manic shore
rotund ferry
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Yes, probably some kind of easter egg

rotund ferry
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I really, really don’t like snake eyes

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I see nothing but a defiled uppercut with otherwise beautiful engravings

tall lava
rotund ferry
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Well that's disappointing

rotund ferry
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I had a somewhat abstract thought the other day

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If Hunt was to be adapted into a film who would you cast to be legendary hunters?

neon abyss
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Karl Urban as Black coat

rotund ferry
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I’d go with Nicholas Cage as Billy Story

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Whoever played the Mother of Dragons as Felis

rustic hearth
rotund ferry
rustic hearth
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Someone needs to deepfake his face onto billy's

rotund ferry
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The carcass gunner has to be terry crews, no argument there

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Oh yeah definitely

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Who’s gonna be phantom?

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Daniel Radcliffe?

earnest jungle
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Who will be Sheriff Hardin?

rotund ferry
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Uhhhhh, Nicholas Cage?

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As a matter of fact, just have Cage play every character

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Redneck? Cage

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Redshirt? Cage

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Felis? Cage

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Weird Sister? Cage

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Phantom? Cage

royal pond
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Spider? Cage

rotund ferry
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Butcher? Cage

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The Sculptor himself? Fuckin Nicholas goddamn Cage

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The assassin is played by Joaquin Phoenix

rotund ferry
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I think Liam neeson would make a good black coat

rustic hearth
royal pond
dawn kernel
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I would like to lose the ability to see now thank you

burnt storm
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Let's stick to discussing actual lore please, movie ideas would fit in #hunt-general better

rustic hearth
burnt storm
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As long as it's hunt related, it doesn't have to be #off-topic

wheat quiver
remote beacon
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here to learn some lore just purchased the game havnt even played yet

junior pecan
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Check pinned messages

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Rundown: big bad maybe a ghost thing called the sculptor has turned everybody in a region of louisiana into mutants, and has been just repeatedly cloning them for a few months now. What is effectively a special forces group of unaffiliated bandits, outlaws, and desperados gets paid to kill the especially big bads, banish them (we dont know what that entails) and bring one of their organs back to sell. None of these bandits trust each other and the whole place has turned into a freefire zone. These sort of events have happened many times in the past but never officially. Also we know AT LEAST that a lot of voodoo ritual is legit, you just have to do it right

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Theres a lot more but little of it is important

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Set in 1895, i should add

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Cartridges and smokeless powder pretty much just got invented

dawn kernel
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I wonder what the sculptor looks like

junior pecan
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Probably immaterial. The lore hints at the concepts of ghosts and spirits being based on these entities, so if that is to be believed then they are probably pseudo-gaseous without mass. Just a ghost

earnest jungle
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Problem is the name sculptor originates in the old lore. Sometime when the game was still in development there was a shift in the lore.

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This shift became most obvious with the book of monsters and the book of weapons.

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To keep things simple I divide the lore into the Louisiana Event Dossier Lore and the Book of Monsters and Weapons Lore.

rotund ferry
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I’d imagine that the sculptor took a human form for the sake of personally overseeing the plagues

earnest jungle
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I assume the sculptor is a human

rotund ferry
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We don’t know who it is doe

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Maybe the sculptor split his conscience across the legendary hunters somehow

earnest jungle
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Now some of the old lore has been carried over and been expanded but not all of it has.

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For example in the old lore there was only one hunt for each boss. There was only one spider there was only one butcher and they were only banished once and what we’re playing is just the same hunt being told over and over again and embellished over and over again.

rotund ferry
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It’d be cool if the sculptor actually tried to make an attempt to kill the hunters killing his minions and made the bosses stronger and faster

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Maybe it can translate in game too, like the bosses become 1 percent stronger each day of the week up until the end of the week, when it resets for balancing purposes

earnest jungle
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Another change in the lore can be seen in how the lore is written.

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If you go on the website a lot of the old lore is written in the second person perspective while the new lore is written mostly in third person and first person.

junior pecan
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@rotund ferry why would he, that would just limit his power

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See the end of abats

exotic yoke
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the sculptor is just doing that tho

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thats the reason the Assassin exists

junior pecan
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You’re disposed to that idea purely from a literary standpoint

exotic yoke
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or at least it is so believed

junior pecan
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Assassin is someone entirely different

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An associate, or a thrall perhaps

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But it wouldnt be throwing its soul all around like that, would have too many effects

exotic yoke
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you dont think the assassin is part of the "big bads" the sculptor created?

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how come it clones than and behaves just like other bosses? with the banishing and the bounty etc

junior pecan
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Sculptor didnt create the bosses. He technically made spider but the other two predate his actions

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Im saying assasin is not sculptor

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Could be An associate, or a thrall

exotic yoke
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no he is not THE sculptor, but i vaguely remember him being seen as somewhat of an answer to the hunters killing off bosses

junior pecan
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Too human in what lore we have of him

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He’s an answer yes

exotic yoke
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the assassin being the "anti-hunter" tool

junior pecan
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He’s designed to kill hunters

exotic yoke
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yeh thats what i said originally lol

junior pecan
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Im saying sculptor is not in human form rn, and assasin is not sculptor

exotic yoke
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yeah, i never made that claim tho ^^

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so we're on the same page

junior pecan
exotic yoke
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yeah, the sculptor is taking action in the way he does, by influencing our world

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my statement doesnt say "the sclupter just jumped into his human suit and cosplayed the assassin"

junior pecan
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Ok, the comment you were responding to was a response to -

junior pecan
exotic yoke
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ooh i fucked up my response? that explains a lot

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thats on me then sry :P

junior pecan
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All good

exotic yoke
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i was trying to answer to "It’d be cool if the sculptor actually tried to make an attempt to kill the hunters killing his minions "

junior pecan
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I see

exotic yoke
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but now im interested in the point that only the spider is supposedly made by the sculptor? where do you get that the other bosses predate the sculptor/his actions?

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i mean the assassin is a weird thing bc harold described vincent doing assassin stuff before his head got scooped out, but for the butcher it would be impossible

earnest jungle
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I personally subscribe to the Sculptor is a human or group of humans from our realm working with the Demons to be tale vengeance on our world. The Taxidermists, Widow Blanchett, Peter Roche, Victor all had gripes with the people of Louisiana and New Orleans.

exotic yoke
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hm thats interesting

earnest jungle
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I don’t think there’s any one sculptor I think it’s a cult of misanthropic humans working with demons to take vengeance on our world

exotic yoke
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i really have to read up more on location lore

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oh and jump into trial lore

earnest jungle
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The locational lore is where I draw a lot of this from.

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Because a lot of this lore includes angry people who would do anything for x

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Be that vengeance, profit, or even preserving a cyprus forest

exotic yoke
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i don't know, i can imagine the sculptor being something otherworldly, and him not having a form is just because of that - he is not from this realm and so works under different "rules" i guess, hence we are only able to perceive the results of his influence. But even then its very likely a group of humans are responsible for those worlds to be connected

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those worlds meaning ours and the sculptors

junior pecan
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@exotic yoke butcher is a meathead, but he’s human intervention

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@earnest jungle that misanthropy, nihilism and sadism is a repeating theme. The existence of such emotions and drives is either purely thematic or has a spiritual causation i believe. Like the spiritual version of a migraine from high air pressure

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Pretty sure all but one character can be reasonably assumed or proven to have one of those

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I can see allison not having that vibe but then again thats because she has literally two lines of text dedicated to her

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Fridge character, but with a twist

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Beyond that,

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@earnest jungle what do you mean working with demons, what are they accomplishing? Getting stomped repeatedly? Wasting spiritual energy on hunters like its a csgo gambling website?

earnest jungle
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They’re killing people

junior pecan
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Not a worthwhile amount

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Just hunters

earnest jungle
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You sure about that?

junior pecan
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It doesnt spread out of the bayou

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Its contained, it has to be close to the rift

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People may wander in but not enough to warrant this size of an operation

earnest jungle
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They’re still wiping out the populations of the afflicted areas

junior pecan
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And again, if theyre demons what the hell does lynch want? What does damballah want with the twins?

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They already did

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They wiped that out a long time ago

earnest jungle
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I think we’re not understanding each other

junior pecan
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Ok, what do you mean afflicted areas then

earnest jungle
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I mean the areas where the outbreak is occurring. Where the bosses and grunts and all the other monsters are wiping out entire towns.

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I’m saying that the reason why the outbreak is occurring is because a group of humans are working with the demons to cause it

junior pecan
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They didnt wipe out towns, theyre the residents, their infection was the wipe out

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There were some who held out for a while

earnest jungle
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Except the maps are littered with corpses

junior pecan
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But those places are empty when hunters get there

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All rotting

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Except a few

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Horses, and the mobs themselves

earnest jungle
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And?

junior pecan
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Those corpses are indirectly from the initial outbreak

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Probably being recycled

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All 3 bosses aggregate biomass, similar story with the corpses

earnest jungle
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Then what do YOU think is the motive for the outbreak!

junior pecan
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Thats mirror theory

earnest jungle
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Mirror Theory?

junior pecan
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Dense overcomplex explanation, but afaik the only reasonable one that fits the majority of the variables

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The gyst is that these entities are ghosts because where they come from spiritual energy is plentiful but biological energy is sparse

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So these events happen all the time in the past

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But this is the first one to actually collect biomass

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The previous ones were all just small scale attempts to steal souls and other spiritual energy

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This one is different, sculptor is after biomass. Its the equivalent of an oil rush

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Someone figured out its value, an innovator, a sculptor

white pasture
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This one specifically manipulates biology, the only thing exceptional is the scale of the event. And there are multiple active beings in the area.

junior pecan
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Thats the long run of it

earnest jungle
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And how exactly does that rule out my theory that a group of humans are holding open the door for these creatures because they believe they stand to benefit from doing so?

junior pecan
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@white pasture it doesnt manipulate it emulates

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@earnest jungle it rules out your idea that the outbreak’s intent is to wipe out the towns

white pasture
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none of the mobs are emulating life, they are twisted life.

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that's what a "sculptor" does

earnest jungle
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But the outbreak as a consequence wipes out towns and I doubt the demons are only interested in southern Louisiana

white pasture
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Small rural towns over years

junior pecan
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@white pasture twisted through a mutagen. Theres two reasons i know the sculptor isnt competent in biology. 1. Why arent there armored horses? Those would win 9 times out of ten and it is possible spiritually. 2. Theyre cloned with their clothes on

earnest jungle
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After all if this was a self contained problem why even send out the Hunters? Just wait for the event to burn itself out.

white pasture
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Zom

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@earnest jungle bounties

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Its a tradeoff

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Sculptor figured this out

white pasture
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hunters close the portals, and harvest whatever value tokens have.

junior pecan
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He gets biomass, hunters get spiritual energy

earnest jungle
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There must be a threat of the outbreak spreading. The bounties are to motivate people going after the monsters they’re not the reason for going after the monsters

junior pecan
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@white pasture if they were closing portals this wouldve been over long ago

white pasture
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They are closing portals, new ones open up.

junior pecan
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@earnest jungle if it were capable of leaving the bayou it would have reached a coty center by now, the hunters arent enough to stop the water devils

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Or any other mob for that matter

earnest jungle
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Unless the Hunters are keeping the outbreak contained by killing the bosses.

white pasture
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You literally close portals in game.

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Or distance is a factor in its influence, obviously so.

earnest jungle
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I don’t think the portals are sealed

white pasture
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There are also multiple supernatural beings active in the area.

earnest jungle
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I think instead the process of banishing the bosses is what is containing the outbreak.

white pasture
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"Clues" close holes. Bosses banish via the same "holes"

earnest jungle
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The bosses clearly posses something about them that the other mobs don’t that requires them to be banished

white pasture
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I assume they are under direct control of the sculptor. Zombies seem to be a byproduct of influence of the sculptor. While the more changed mobs behave as if directed. They protect portals

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Whatever is being banished would imply something of the sculptor is sent home. Their forms degrade into a portal and what remains of the host has supernatural value.

earnest jungle
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I will contend this is a flaw of my theory but I would contend it’s also a flaw of your theory as well. Why would the Sculptor be content with the biomas of Southern Louisana when they could have the Biomass of New Orleans or the entire state? The only explanation is something is containing the outbreak and I contend it is the AHA. Because regardless of what other nefarious plots they might have letting demons run riot across Louisiana is not among them

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And likewise if this is the first time demons have been able to take a physical form in flesh why is that not mentioned in the lore? And where did the banishing ritual come from. The banishing ritual os clearly a way to banish biomass possessed by demonic spirits back to the realm from which they came. If this is the first time that has happened where did this ritual come from and why is it not described as a new ritual?

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Unless it has and I merely missed that lore which is a possibility

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What I think is unusual about this outbreak is this is the first time the banishing didn’t stick

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Im pretty sure that the events we play through in game are in fact contained

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and the act of containing is going through and murdering everything

earnest jungle
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See this guy gets it

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I suppose a more clear explanation of what I'm going at is that the humans and the demons have different reasons for working together. I believe the humans are working with the demons for either one of two reasons either they're angry at the world and are lashing out by helping to unleash the outbreak on humans, or they're collaborators and like all collaborators they think they will benefit from aiding the new regime. What the demons want I don't know.

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im pretty sure that the sculptor is the only being from the "demons side" that has full control and wants or need unless the devs said some stuff i dont know about

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like the sculptor is, well, sculpting and changing the biology of people to suit his needs, its just that people are really good at getting rid of the stuff. Also that could be an explanation lorewise for new bosses, like the sculptor is experiementing with new ways to extend its influence over our world.

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@earnest jungle because he is stuck within the boundaries of the rift. It isnt an issue with your entire theory, just a thing of nuance. The threat is contained

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@edgy silo cant be doing it precisely that im bear positive of. If he could precisely control the mutations then there wouldnt be wasted biomass on clothing

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And beyond that, horse armororeds would definitely be a thing

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Also, culling isnt containment because thats not what we do. There is an argument to be made about banishment being containment, but this stuff has been going on for MONTHS, sculptor would have abandoned the attempt by now if he wasnt already getting what he wanted

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This is not the first physical presence of demons, pax claw talks about an old ritual that actually prevents banishment. The banishing ritual isnt the innovation, the innovation is getting the hunters to do the banishing for you, while also killing each other to add more biomass to the cycle