Eh I disagree. Pretty much every boss is a push over once you know how to fight them. The PvE mechanics of this game are extremely lackluster so a touch up would be sick
#lore-discussion
rotund ferry
tall pendant
im new here boys, im always thinking. does anyone know how the infection started? some kind of grand villian plan or something?
experiment gone wrong?
🤔
burnt storm
Well, we don't really know all the details, but basically there is this mysterious entity called the sculptor that got into our world through a rift from a different universe/dimension and it's tampering with our world. This incident is just one of many.
tall pendant
woah
burnt storm
If you're interested in lore, feel free to check out pinned messages in this channel, everything is compiled there
tall pendant
thanks man
amber harbor
- The hunters are really the only ones who truly know about the events. Any survivors who lived to tell the tale were considered crazy and 'collected' at the Louisiana Asylum, where the superintendent Phillip Huff Jones was also the leader of the American Hunters Association. He at one point tried to experiment on those influenced, which brings me to another thing: the more you spend in the bayou the more the sculptor can influence you. So any wanderers and search parties would either get mauled to death or formed by the sculptor. There is at least one guy who lives in the bayou, Salter, but he fades in and out of consciousness.
- We have no idea. There have and will be more events of different magnitudes. If I were to guess, they either form naturally or by human will. One theory was that some voodoo practitioner summoned the sculptor for some reason and he got in over his head.
- The supernatural is the reason all this is happening. The event is compared with a plague, but it is still a manifestation of the supernatural. It comes nowhere close to one singular belief, religious or otherwise. Voodoo seems to have gotten the most of it right, but in the lore there are hindu and chinese rituals used
- No. The events are all over the world, thats why there are hunters from all over the world. They all have their own culture and some have organisations like the Aha, which is more of a guild really. They all came to the Louisiana contract bc it was special in some way
- Slowly. Mobs sometimes wander outside the sculptors area of influence, and they were being picked off at a prison from some lore for the nagant pistol i think. Hunters are doing their best, but one theory was that banishing bosses actually helps the sculptor in his endeavours, and that was somewhat confirmed by devs in a post on their website.
- Monsters are shaped by the sculptor and then cloned by him to make what we see in game. Hunters are people who undergo a ritual of sorts, involving a serum made of demon blood
As fora class, I guess Euclid?
I dont really know the scp stuff
But dont be afraid to post more questions if you have them
@rotund ferry
rotund ferry
What is with the Louisiana event?
I do not fully understand that
The book with all those scrapnotes from different timelines
Is there a broken timeline causing people to move back in time
Also what or who is the sculptor?
amber harbor
No timetravel stuff here
The story is that the event took place in 1895 and went on for less than a year i think, and the person collecting all those scraps and documents is a researcher in our times trying to find out whst the fuck was going on
Its the same timeline
There are some outliers that dont fit but those can be attributed to unreliable narrators
The sculptor is an entity from another world
At least one more invaded our plane before, hence the early scraps of lore say its not a poltergeist but a sculptor on their hands
It shapes ppl and then clones that form
Thw original hive was the mother of Ada Ruth Shell
She was a vegetable for some days and had a lot of bugs come to her all of a sudden
Then she burst
And her daughter became a hunter and talked about how she needed to kill her mother again and again
We know there are multiple entities at play from a dime novel, which claims a giant snake entity and one debatably human named Lynch were fighting over something
The multiple entities thing was actually from the early lore scraps
But the sculptor cant be grasped
At least as far as the aha and we know
It doesnt have a physical form in our world
tall pendant
damn, who knew that a multiplayer fps can have so much story
wintry root
The Louisiana event is completely Keter, no doubt about it - it's difficult to secretly contain, it's trying to spread and it's obviously malignant.
wintry root
4. Slowly. Mobs sometimes wander outside the sculptors area of influence, and th...
That mention of the prison really reminded me of the song "Devil in the Churchyard". Do the songs themselves have any significant lore connection? The music is diegetic (real to the ingame world), so do we know who the singer(s) is/are?
amber harbor
songs are for worldbuilding mostly, but we don't really have names and adresses for them
its meant to be a cautionary tale with a twist, maybe sung in the vicinity of the sculptors area of effect
and it could be argued that hunters dont really go all out when trying to 'contain' the event, most of them are there for the bounty money
sure there's surely some individuals who have that goal in mind, but most think they are damned for going through the ritual, so they don't really concern themselves with the wellbeing of others
edgy silo
@tall pendant well the game was originally intended to be a 1- 4 player PvE coop game, though yeah the lore is really really cool
keen bolt
Chick this lore on the assassins' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edT5B9LlUjM&t=328s
paper ginkgo
Do we know what the ritual itself is?
I know it has something to do with an injection that lynch made out of human flesh
amber harbor
Out of demon blood, and we dont know much else
The process is in the pax claw entries
vague cairn
Dude I hope we get more lore at some point
winged minnow
The new boss is intriguing since it'll likely have some importance in the lore or at least how it came to exist
keen bolt
The Butcher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZvEKyeyHYw
rotund ferry
Is there any real life lore that inspired the creation of in-game lore?
Yeah Marie Laveau was a real person and she is mentioned in the lore, the Lava arms company is a stand in for volcanic as are many of the other stand in names for fire arms companies
brazen crest
Not to mention obvious voodoo inspirations, and a hint of Lovecraft. I'm curious, who's Marie Laveau in the lore?
rotund ferry
I think she’s mentioned by name but that could be the old lore
amber harbor
She was helping huff, thats the extent of my knowledge
She is a powerful voodoo practitioner, and Lynch mentions she's her kind
And devs took inspiration from strange newspapers from the time, like that time when it began raining meat
paper ginkgo
It began what
restive patrol
lament lodge
Casually eats unknown meat that fell from the sky
rare steeple
wha... I...
rotund ferry
elfin barn
it's almost a pop-colture heresy that it didn't taste like a chicken, but oh well...
uneven warren
@restive patrol If I heard a story about it raining meat I'd think it was a beached whale that popped from methane build-up. But the fact it happened in Kentucky, which is landlocked, is very strange.
wintry root
@uneven warren a butcher got blown up by a bomb lance and that's how that happened 😆
woeful zinc
uneven warren
Bayou Plague Doctor 
earnest jungle
This photo is definitely teasing a new map
The question now becomes which are the clues hinting at the New Map and which are red hearings.
The photos in the foreground are definitely a red hearing.
uneven warren
Bird eggs all over the ground in one of those images. Bird skull that looks similar but distinct from the mask. Has someone on the dev team been playing Pathologic 2? Reminds me of the Executors. 
@earnest jungle They may not be such a red herring. Wouldn't be too crazy to find landscapes like that closer to the Texas border of Louisiana.
earnest jungle
To arid and too rocky
Even Western Louisiana would still be humid and tropical.
Those photos are definitely of an arid grass land environment.
The real clue is the photo in the background that you can see through a window in the door.
uneven warren
if you look closely at the photos you'll notice that there are trees in the distance of some of them
earnest jungle
Trees but no forests
uneven warren
maybe, but I don't think they're as arid as they appear at first glance. It's a quarry and a mine in a rocky area but I get a distinct woodland vibe from those trees
the red herring might be that photo in the top right hand corner
it's the only one that doesn't have trees
the one framed on the wall
earnest jungle
I think this photo is the only real clue
That photo is of a plantation style mansion
uneven warren
it's hard to tell because of the shading but the top left photo on the desk looks very similar to that house. Plantation style, pillars, etc.
uneven warren
could be, hard to say
earnest jungle
Pluss Louisiana isn't exactly a mining hub.
uneven warren
not the parts below sea level that's for sure
earnest jungle
My theory is we're heading away from the Louisiana Bayou and towards the Mississippi River.
There are a lot of Sugar plantation along the River and people who own those plantations might be wealthy enough to own mines out in the West.
And If we want to get even more narrow I'm guessing that plantation is the Blanchett Plantation.
Any way take a look at this beauty
We are finally getting a medium ammo winnie
This is the first photo I could find that showed compact, medium, and long ammo.
unique gulch
Stanley Coal Company location name from new map?
K-------- Mine (i'm not able to read it correctly)
earnest jungle
I still think those are red hearings but I will concede the possibility of a new map out west or up in the Appalachian mountains.
OOOOOH LOOK AT THAT! Winfield 1876!
unique gulch
Winfield M 1876 to ba accurate @earnest jungle 😉
earnest jungle
I might be wrong that might not be medium ammo that might just be long or special ammo!
The Winchester 1876 was a big game rifle issued to celebrate the Centennial of the United States
It was chambered in 45-70, 40-60, 45-60, and .50-95 express.
This was a rifle used to bring down game as large as Buffalo.
amber harbor
earnest jungle
What you mean a Winnie that shoots Nitro Express bullets?
amber harbor
just imagine levering on that thing
i hate being hyped this early
i cant wait for the new map
looks like a boot of a dead hunter in the background, maybe something like an apartment building?
rainbow 6 : showdown
earnest jungle
Anyway Winnie Shotgun
Oh god Levering is just getting a straight buff when these guns drop.
rotund ferry
Terminator time
I have a feeling levering will be quite strong at close range with the 76 as well
earnest jungle
Anyone else think this is a boss layer
uneven warren
Would be weird to have a boss lair identifiable by a visual tell in the environment that's not a clue.
languid prism
earnest jungle
Would be weird to have a boss lair identifiable by a visual tell in the environm...
All Boss compound’s have visual clues especially inside the boss lair. The Butcher’s Lair is covered in bones, the Spider’s lair is covered in webbing, and the Assassin’s covered in hives.
Plus this
But wait where’s the lower jaw of the beak...
OH MY GOD VAMPIRE!
This is a vampire boss!
What looks like a beak is actually a long curved proboscis!
Either that or the law jaw isn’t visible from the angle and it’s mouth is closed and I’m just over thinking things again.
But then again almost all of the bosses have an insect or insect related theme to them...
rotund ferry
It’s literally a Crow boss
The feathers bones and eggs are all pretty strong clues for it
earnest jungle
I’m not Crazy! Screamed the mad man My theories are perfectly sound!
rotund ferry
Yeah I totally didn’t see this boss coming lol, I know it’s been suggested a few times
The devs are just dousing us with fan service this coming content patch
earnest jungle
We shall all bathe in the glory of the Winnie Express Rifle!
opal lake
I hope the new winnie is medium, we dont need another long ammo gun right now. the selection of medium ammo rifles right now is kinda weak
bitter oyster
check out this post i made on the sub yall, upvote if you agree with the theory. thanks
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/k6xsu1/hot_take_on_new_crow_boss/
rotund ferry
I think it could be
winged minnow
Not sure how lynch would work as a boss that keeps coming back in the same form since the sculptor isn't copying her
earnest jungle
I want another special ammo rifle
I'd take a medium ammo rifle but I'd love a special ammo winie
stray skiff
wintry root
Oh god this is hype
Quick question for you lads
Any of you ever try to brighten up or increase contrast of the teaser images, or open them in notepad? Coming from the fnaf fandom, this was like the most basic tool of finding hidden details.
glad zephyr
'The Vulture' or maybe 'The Scavanger'
candid shoal
@wintry root I think the person in the Reddit post a bit above did that with the picture of the crow-looking thing
rotund ferry
Doing research on the weapons...I've noticed a lot of inconsistencies on ammo types and stuff. One that really bothers me is the uppercut. That gun didn't exist. Kind of lame
rare steeple
lyric arrow
@rare steeple Yeah but that is chambered in .45 lc, aka the pax's caliber. So yeah there is a gun it's modeled after, and it performs like a colt walker (not a conversion walker) performed in comparison to other revolvers of his time, but the metallurgy of the time was not able to handle the preassures of a rifle load in a Revolver cylinder, so a recolver chambered for a big rifle cartrige is a work of fiction regarding that timeframe we have.
rare steeple
yeah, but what I mean is that the gun is based on something, even if it is not a carbon copy of the real gun. I for my part enjoy that the devs are taking some liberty to modify guns to give the game more diversity. to be honest, I even think that this is a necessity, regarding the fact that since the gun technology was less advanced at this time (even tho there is a lot of interesting things), it would be hard to add new guns to the game without them just feeling the same as all the other ones.
I honestly even think that it is pretty well done, since it still fits the atmosphere of the game and never feel "out of place" or too fanciful.
rotund ferry
Right. I know what it is modeled after and why they couldn't do that in the game...but they could have just used the SAA cattleman that fired .45 LC or .44 rounds. 1873, as an example
wintry root
The uppercut is a prototype, as implied in the letter from a certain Cadwell (THE Cadwell??)
rotund ferry
Also, the Springfield should fire long ammo. Dumb that it doesn't, actually.
Ah, I missed that regarding the lore.
rotund ferry
Well, the fact that it literally is chambered with the same ammo as the Sparks.
That's a start.
wintry root
Propably a balancing thing
rotund ferry
It needs a buff, why not give it one that makes sense. Yea. It is balancing but a weird one.
lyric arrow
Not sure if that is the right channel for a full blown discussion about this, But the Sringfield doesn't necessarily fire the same cartrige
rotund ferry
Yea. It fires a .45-70
The sparks is generally rifled with that as well. Even if this sparks is the .45-100 version, still same thing pretty much
lyric arrow
The 1866 springfields were only chambered in .50-70, while the sparks can be a multitude of calibers, could be .52 caliber all the way up to .45-120
rotund ferry
None of those would ever be confused with the same ammo that goes into the vetterli or the winchesters though.
It doesn't matter. Just nitpicking by me.
wintry root
not done yet but
we can see that the crow is... gasp a scarecrow!
its also holding a combat axe. could it be a legendary?
burnt storm
It isn't a hunter, Dennis hinted at that yesterday
That pretty much confirms that it's the boss
wintry root
can't find any text in the .jpg file, sadly. someone with more know-how might find something though, I can't rule it out yet
can't find anything in the website source either
rustic flower
THIS is a new boss
rustic flower
It isn't a hunter, Dennis hinted at that yesterday
It could be a new trait
wintry root
i doubt that
burnt storm
You have a lead designer mocking people that say "It's not a boss", I think that's good enough to chuck all other options out
wintry root
why tf would we not want a new boss, this is lit
rare steeple
since I don't see the boss carrying an axe, and that the screenshot @wintry root provided shows that the entity watching the two hunters is made of some sort of fabric (or something that somehow looks like a ghili suit?), I could see a scarecrow boss, the axe being an hint that it is weak to tearing damages?
also, if this is a boss, could we expect something ressembling this?
it was a cool concept for a legendary hunter during the contest, but it did not won. (probably because of his too "inhuman" features?)
but since the assassin seems to be originally an human too according to the lore, I could see a more advanced an monster-ized version of this skin turned into a boss
wintry root
All the bosses (except spider) were human at one point
winged minnow
The spider is made of humans
rare steeple
I mean, the spider is a bunch of human corpse
but what I meant was that the assassin is more human looking that the others (my english is not that good)
so some sort of boss being a scarecrow, wich is meant to look like an human, could be imaginable
and could look even more anthropomorphic than the other bosses
wintry root
Cant wait for the new lore
flat dust
My theory is that it’s a new boss that will steal melee weapons and stash it in it’s nest forcing you to shoot and be loud
wooden lava
why only melee
what if he also could steal your weapons so you can't be inside the layer while he is alive with guns
west sinew
No thanks, I'd rather not have to clear out the server before killing to boss to ensure I don't get attacked while unarmed
wintry root
Stealing melee sounds cool
shrewd shell
What if the boss can posses a teammate temporarily
Explains why hes behind the duo going into the boss lair
shrewd shell
And you can only truly fight him by doing some sort of ritual around the compound
Break bone chimes or something
neat mica
Trying to think of what a new boss could do to distinguish itself from others. Something that could actually be sneaky, but not hectically skittery could be unique i think. Maybe focusing on disorientation?
gleaming meadow
is it just me or does that "Combat Axe" the crow guy is holding look more like a Tomohawk
plain fern
Looks like it will actually come outside the building
burnt storm
Because it’s not a guy, it’s the boss @gleaming meadow
The screenshot is taken inside Alice Farm compound, it’s not outside @plain fern
random lava
gleaming meadow
Yes I gathered that, it still looks very small to be a combat axe though
random lava
That's cause it's a wood axe and it looks small cause the boss is big
slate grotto
Or the theory of PsychoGhost it's a future skin for throwing knives.
gleaming meadow
but look at the shape of the head on it
guess we will find out later but it looks more like a hatchet than an axe
random lava
Looks like a normal axe head same as the combat axe has
rotund ferry
^
wintry root
but the axe is red
rotund ferry
World axes have a bit of red on them
random lava
Guys it's just a normal axe, seriously
steep garnet
the forbidden axe
wintry root
the o n e h a n d e d axe
gleaming meadow
do you have insider information nixa? are you sure
random lava
Dennis said it's a wood axe. It looks like a wood axe. It would seem it is just a wood axe. The reason it looks small isn't because it's not a wood axe but because of the boss being next to it being big
There is nothing different or special about the axe. That's pretty much the least interesting thing about the whole image 
rotund ferry
Yeah the eggs, bird skulls, feathers and nest themes aren’t cool or significant in any way
winged minnow
Why do people refuse to accept that it's just a boss holding an axe
And inside a compound at that
random lava
Projecting hopeful thoughts maybe. I know people want tomahawk axes. It's easy to go overboard with analyzing images
rotund ferry
^
Everyone is just content starved I think and really want to chew on the new teasers
gleaming meadow
Tbh hatchet vs axe could change how the boss acts too
hatchet would be faster and axe is much slower
it would be weird if a bird boss was a slow heavy hitter like the butcher
rotund ferry
I’m suspecting he will be mobile and use deception or some kind of disorienting effect like Psychoghost suggested
gleaming meadow
curious if there is any relation to Malphas or Tengu
inner zephyr
i would like to see this boss
kind anvil
could be a different type of hellhound instead
wintry root
dear God...
toxic ibex
Someone pet that good boy!
primal goblet
They say all boys are good boy. This is the exception that makes the rule...
tawny rock
My god.... LIKE MAN, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU SCOOB?
edgy silo
He got hot
wintry root
he got got
edgy silo
Hot hot got
earnest jungle
Missed opportunity to use that text to write "My Dog"
bold tiger
@rotund ferry wait where is this from? The new brawlerm
rotund ferry
It’s on the Hunt Instagram page
ember fulcrum
Why was the Louisiana Event book removed?
amber harbor
it was for the 1.0 ui redesign
inland flicker
It's just me or this barrel seems to be a little longer than usuall nagant?
wintry root
It's just me or this barrel seems to be a little longer than usuall nagant?
Which Nagant? Mosin or pistol?
amber harbor
he's referring to the pistol in the image
inland flicker
yep
inland flicker
The new rifle and shotgun aint enough for you ?
Doesn't mean they cannot add much more
inland flicker
earnest jungle
So I ate shit on the relevancy of the photos
wintry root
they were just location teasers
if i get it right
i tuned in way late
someone call MatPat, because we have a box to open
earnest jungle
We’re going to whack Santa Claus.
zinc sage
also anything about this vagrant with the can gun and the other legendary that mentioned him
rotund ferry
Nothing that I’ve seen lately, but I definitely could be missing something
When they unveiled the skin all I could think about is frank from sunny saying he’s the trash man with the new Winnie skin
wintry root
im the invisible man
im the invisible man
incredible, how you can
see right through me!
earnest jungle
Check the lore from the Springfield the name def sounds familiar
winged minnow
I wish there was lore on the trait drops 
light solar
It would be cool if they released a journals from the bayou book series
So we could get a first hand look at what happened to the hunters mentioned
vivid iris
Does anyone have a link to the lore Q&A writeup? It's somewhere in this Discord.
pliant holly
You can check the pinned messages
edgy silo
they could have lore on the trait things a new book about all the pick ups and something that talks about the rituals the AHA uses to pick up clues and banishing and stuff
that would be dope
fiery forge
Was anyone abe to get the lore beghind the officer carbine deadeye? Is it available in the book of weapons on the test server?
fiery forge
@devout cedar thank you very much
wintry root
get banned lmao
devout cedar
Better contact @vast sand 
wintry root
he del'd it
devout cedar
Mods did 
wintry root
oOoOOOoooOOo0O
glossy falcon
back to lore
zinc sage
You guys read the Christmas regards from Harold Black yet?
Some interesting stuff there
Two possible teasers from what I see
This passage about a witch:
‘Frau Perchta, a witch, performs a similar role as the male figures and emerges from further East. Going by many names, for instance, Frau Holle or Frau Gode, she again seems to originate out of an ancient pre-Christian origin, some attributing her evolution from Frigg and Celtic figures. She is similarly brutal, threatening children with disembowelment with an iron axe, and perhaps stuffing them with straw.’
And this one:
‘In the highlands of Scotland lies another legend. With the long beak of a magpie and a ragged cloak of brambles, the Ragman is a different sort of menace to naughty children. The Ragman lives on the edges, always moving unnervingly just out of sight. In the depths of the night, he steals gifts from the undeserving. It’s said that his lair, somewhere high in the mountains, is stacked high with his spoils. Generations of ungiven gifts rusting and rotting away.’
The whole point of the regards was Black asking if these Christmas superstitions have any relation the the things happening in Louisiana
zinc sage
So possible relation to crow man
wintry root
You guys read the Christmas regards from Harold Black yet?
where can I get these christmas regards?
wintry root
found it, thanks
steep hollow
Speaking of Harold Black’s Christmas article, here’s an entertaining video on many of the Christmas creatures it mentioned:
https://youtu.be/PYY9VLOSLxk
I get that I’m not active whatsoever in this channel but I thought it would be a nice place to share this.
steep hollow
Mhm
zinc sage
But yeah disembowelment with an axe AND another creature that wears a bird beak and a raggedy cloak of brambles?
wintry root
earnest jungle
"She is similarly brutal, threatening children with disembowelment with an iron axe, and perhaps stuffing them with straw."
That is a reference to the Sculptor I'm certain of it. Perhaps a hint at how this curse works
earnest jungle
I've long suspected that however this curse works it works by emptying out the victims of something (I hypothesizes either the ti or gros bon agne) and supplanting it with something else.
the ti bon agne is the "little soul" and refers to the part of the soul that controls ones personality in Haitian Vodou, and the gors bon agne is the "big soul" and refers to biological function. The sculptor hollows out the grunts and uses their souls as "clay" to create the bosses, and with the left over "clay" to create the marked enemies (Hives, Meatheads, immolators, etc).
If anything is a reference to the crow boss it is this passage: "In the highlands of Scotland lies another legend. With the long beak of a magpie and a ragged cloak of brambles, the Ragman is a different sort of menace to naughty children."
light solar
Do we think the new boss is the rag man
Because they said "allways unnervingly just out of sight" which could relate to a new boss mechanic
Rather than scurry around wildly panicing like the assassin or the spider
It waits and hides in different spots and trys to get the drop on you
The magpie part is also interesting in conjunction to his supposed riches he might steal your guns or gear if you arent careful
wintry root
Ooooooo called it
rotund ferry
Yeah that theory is very solid
torn hawk
wintry root
SOMEBODY TOUCHA MY LAIR
rotund ferry
“OHHH, REDNECK! WHY DO YOU TOUCHA MY LAIR!”
rotund ferry
Wonder if there’s gonna be a Christmas event
And also, technically speaking, the sculptor is in on these jokes as well
He gave the butcher a pumpkin head and spider some weird socks
edgy silo
well yeah, the sculptor made a priest burn like he was in hell for his fury, of course it has a sense of humour
rotund ferry
Well come to think of it, I think it’s less of a sense of humor and more so a sense of cruel irony that can be funny sometimes
sudden mist
Wait
@rotund ferry did you solo a boss at Golden Arches an hour ago and ran off during a match of 3s
rotund ferry
No?
sudden mist
sorry
I had a guy with your name do that
while me and my mates were fighting another group
viral minnow
Made a video with everything the Book of Monsters has about the Immolator.
Check it out if you haven't unlocked all the entries or if you are just bored to read everything in-game!
rotund ferry
Anyone have any lore on the new Ronin skin pack, I’m at work and can’t hop on steam rn
rotund ferry
modest oasis
One of the most advanced weapons on the field, oof
west sinew
It was when he was first using it
rotund ferry
Better than the Japanese muskets
rotund ferry
It’s important to note that Japan was very much in a state of seclusion
And as a result were like 200 years behind everyone else
Even though they came out in 1853
tawdry spear
Should've just added an arasaka
tawdry spear
Not a hundred percent on when they were made though
rotund ferry
1897
tawdry spear
Who knows might get one
bold tiger
We can't really get any new bolt rifles unless medium gets split in half
Or we just get a buncha really weak long guns
Long ammo is so drastically above medium in range it'll only be useable with higher rof short to close medium range weapons
Also we don't have enough russian hunters to use the mosins
rotund ferry
^
rare steeple
@bold tiger do we even HAVE a russian hunter ? I don't recall
exotic juniper
how thicc is the meathead
wintry root
Dummy thicc
Someone pls turn it into a marketable plushie
I would absolutely buy some of these as h0 figurines.
polar fable
Anyone unlocked the carbine deadeye entry in the book of weapons?
polar fable
@devout cedar thanks!
rotund ferry
I wonder if any of these hunters have day-jobs
Does the lore ever go into one of their daily lives
wintry root
"Bad as they seem" entires mention this a lot
seems that crew is working at a smith of some description
zinc sage
Do we have to talk about Scrooge in the lore now
Well it’s probably not actually Scrooge but I would like it if it was
Maybe the addition of a DeSalle brother
rotund ferry
So does the us government know as to what is going on in the south?
amber harbor
all we have from outside is a newspaper saying the event is a plague outbreak that only affects the 'lesser men' who live in Louisiana
nocturne wharf
That's not true... The outbreak is not just in Louisiana, it's everywhere in the world
Just that it's "special" there
amber harbor
it is just in louisiana
theres been events before
but this one is localised in Louisiana
rest of the world is pretty ok
the newspaper was from the pov of those in wealthy cities who think highly of themselves
nocturne wharf
It can't just be Louis, there's hunters from all over the world that are drawn here... They had their own rituals to become hunters... And those rituals involve demon blood don't they ?
polar fable
He means that right now there’s only one event based in Louisiana, but there surely have been more in different parts of the world
amber harbor
^
hunters kind of sprout out wherever they are needed, but their motives aren't always just
contracts are put out, and word of mouth might carry it around
plus i always imagined dark sight showing you all active demonic sources, so others would be seeing a blue dot in the distance and assuming they can help or earn some money
the thing that bugs me is that fire is still burning, so the event must be at most 1 week old
so foreign hunters swarming America must mean it was extraordinary
paper viper
something I'd really like to see is a TF2/L4D esque video with legendary hunters on a lore-appropriate mission, with personalized voice actors and good writing. Right now the legendaries are very lightly fleshed out, but with this there would be more unique character to the legendaries
winged minnow
I just want more lore dammit
bold tiger
There are hunters who come by at the times of day that currently aren't playable who replace all the lanterns, put more wood on the fires and drag in new zombies, change my mind.
edgy silo
new map should have plenty of little lore easter eggs, im kinda hype
winged minnow
I wonder if it will still be in the bayou since if it isn't it would likely have lore implications
rotund ferry
Why haven't cities been affected by this event in louisiana?
You would think that by now governments, religious organizations, etc would have know about this and would put an effort to end this ?
winged minnow
There's a considerable effort to keep it secret since the AHA don't involve larger organizations
It's only happening out in the swamps away from cities and what little news about what's happening made it to towns was waved away as just a sickness I think
rotund ferry
Is it spreading
winged minnow
I think so, but banishing the bosses slows the sculptor's influence
We don't know how fast it's spreading as far as I know
rotund ferry
Why is Louisiana a deadzone
rotund ferry
I hope we see more game of thrones style intrigue between the factions and cults all for control of the AHA
edgy silo
That might be cool
also louisiana isnt a deadzone, theres jsut a lot of dead stuff happening
spare saffron
Has anyone else noticed the dead birds/crows around the map as of the new update?
i know its for the new boss but there new right?
heady cobalt
YES JACE. YES THEY ARE.
earnest jungle
Dead Birds, Moved Fish. I’m calling it the boss ain’t a bird it’s a cat.
Also. WE’RE GETTING MORE LORE!
wintry root
Why is Louisiana a deadzone
it's not a dead zone. its just that anyone that is inside for too long gets "sculpted". also the government doesnt know, thanks to the AHA keeping the whole thing on the down low
late tinsel
Also. WE’RE GETTING MORE LORE!
More lore you say?
rotund ferry
it's not a dead zone. its just that anyone that is inside for too long gets "scu...
How the fuck is the government clueless
How did no one report the fact that people entered this specific region and never came out
amber harbor
i think it was put down to legend or redneck shenenigans
late tinsel
Considering the AHA has existed for a very long time under various names, it could be implied they have a lot of friends in high places. Regardless if the government is actually in on it or not, the only thing getting out is rumors of a disease that the governor (if I recall correctly) actually dismissed, which is enough to keep it on the down low.
And most of the people heading into the dead zone are a mixed bag of unscrupulous characters from various secret organizations. Some have written letters to folks outside, but it would make for an unbelievable tale to the initiated.
It’s hard to say if some of those letters ever made it past a director’s desk.
rotund ferry
Huh
Well, I suppose that makes sense
And going back to unscrupulous characters, I’m wholly convinced that a good percentage of the hunters are actual serial killers who don’t even care about the money
late tinsel
And going back to unscrupulous characters, I’m wholly convinced that a good perc...
Some completely confess to about as much, yes. They’re all there for different reasons.
earnest jungle
I have always assumed that local governments and newspapers at the very least are involved in the concealing the outbreak.
late tinsel
Yeah Me too.
earnest jungle
We know that the AHA has its tendrils in the publishing industry as is shown by all of the lore bits in the book of weapons.
late tinsel
No way the feds wouldn’t look into something like that so close to New Orleans. Fairly safe to assume there’s connections.
The way the information in the BoW is meticulously catalogued and preserved, I can’t say with certainty if it’s being recorded by the “modern” narrative researcher, or if it was gathered and preserved by the AHA.
I’ve been away awhile, so I’m not sure if there have been any revelations about who gathered the lore in the books.
earnest jungle
Based on the time line it seems unlikely the AHA compiled the information in question.
late tinsel
I tend to agree there. The serialized stories would’ve come after the LouEvent.
earnest jungle
The AHA appears to have collapsed during the Louisiana incident following the Death of Philip Huff and the occult machinations of Lynch
late tinsel
Was typing the same thing. Yep.
earnest jungle
Or at the very least was consumed by civil war
That said given that someone DID compile this information than we know some kind of organization emerge to replace the AHA
late tinsel
Or it could be the researcher from the Louvent book. However, I wouldn’t rule out a new organization or a reborn AHA.
Someone was very interested in preserving information about the AHA and the organizations involved with the Louvent. Given the “secret world” aspect of the Huntverse, it makes sense that another organization would compile that data for future posterity. Or it might be a more contemporary character getting a glimpse at the shadows these orgs hunted and simply seeing where it leads. (Hunt 2)
wintry root
what do you lads think came after the aha. aha 2 electirc boogaloo?
that is to say, did the AHA fall apart completely or did it get back together
late tinsel
It was around for a long time with loosely affiliated chapters across centuries and continents. I doubt the spirit of what the AHA did is gone for good after the Louvent. Who replaces them- if they are in fact disbanded by the Louvent happenings- I can’t say with certainty. I’ve heard some speculation but nothing with substance.
wintry root
would definitely be interesting what Hunt 2 could be. I'd imagine ww1 or ww2 era. either would be very interesting. game balance wise if nothing else
earnest jungle
My theory is either a secret government committee or organization was created to replace it, or after Joss and Fin banished Lynch and eliminated the organizations remaining leadership started out from scratch. One way or another something happened that resulted in a discontinuity between the the AHA before the Louisiana Event and whatever Successor organization came after.
late tinsel
Plausible and true.
wintry root
secret government committe. welcome to the FBI UIU lads
underfunded and unprepared as always 🤣
late tinsel
Hunt 2: FBI confirmed
earnest jungle
My theory is that the original idea was that sometime after 1977 someone was compiling information on the Louisiana Event because history was repeating itself. However sometime during the game's development their was a change in writers and so a lot of the old lore got thrown out
earnest jungle
There is a noticeable shift in the lore and the tone of the lore especially around the time the game was preparing for it's official release which I interpret to indicate a change in the direction for the lore
late tinsel
My theory is that the original idea was that sometime after 1977 someone was com...
Yeah it’s harder since the original was unreliable narrative with the new lore being unreliable narrative and now it’s changed so I’m not sure which unreliable narrative is reliable.
wintry root
relyception
rotund ferry
Hunt 2: FBI confirmed
Blasting Butchers with Barretts since [REDACTED]
earnest jungle
Yeah that's part of the reason I think lore discussion has died down to a degree.
It's so difficult to parse out what is and is not cannon
wintry root
wait there is uncanon lore in the game? wat
late tinsel
Yeah, I wish there was a comprehensive lore breakdown on what’s being kept and what isn’t.
wintry root
thats such bullshit
earnest jungle
The Book of Louisiana is all now completely non-cannon know I think
wintry root
its removal would indicate, or at least imply that
earnest jungle
We haven't heard much about any of the characters mentioned it though some of them such as Lynch have been scavenged from the heap.
late tinsel
wintry root
i really hope my boer boi is fine
late tinsel
[sad lore vet noises]
earnest jungle
The old lore was a lot more Cosmic Horror
The nature of the sculptor and their influence was a lot less known and thus a lot more alien
late tinsel
It had me digging through Haitian occult texts for answers, speaking with translators. Definitely a splash more of the ol’ mind breaking cosmic powers we can’t wrap our heads around.
wintry root
shame.
earnest jungle
Honestly this was going to happen and I don't blame the lore writers
We asked them for more details on the lore.
And we forgot that what makes something frightening and intriguing is the mystery surrounding it
We wanted the lore and we got the lore.
late tinsel
Still interesting and fun. Just less mystery to it, yeah.
wintry root
a real case of "be careful what you wish for" then
earnest jungle
Yes
late tinsel
Yes
earnest jungle
In Deadlands one of the interesting plot points is that the efforts of the Confederacy and the United States to suppress knowledge on the supernatural directly empowered it.
By keeping the super natural mysterious and unknown to the public at large they feared it and that fear empowered the entities behind that super natural power
A mountain lion is dangerous but not frightening if you understand it and know how it works
wintry root
oh so we're working off the Warhammer model. that never ends well for in-universe ppl
earnest jungle
No I was using the Deadlands to illustrate how in asking for more details on what was happening for the Louisiana event we made it less mysterious and frightening
Again it's not the devs fault, they only did what we asked them to do. Shine a light on how this world works.
wintry root
well we still dont know exactly what the sculp is right?
earnest jungle
No and I hope it stays that way
earnest jungle
I hope these entities remain alien, incomprehensible monsters whose own motives and goals are alien to us.
rotund ferry
I think that the sculptors realm works a lot like doom’s hell
It corrupts, or at least tries to corrupt, new worlds
earnest jungle
I have long speculated that the Sculptor has human agents in our world who are working with the sculptor or using their power to recreate the world. And if that is true I would certainly not mind having some light shown on them.
wintry root
lynch could possibly be one of those?
earnest jungle
Understanding their world only as it filters through our world preserves the mystery of the other world.
wintry root
how come
late tinsel
I think having rules and some idea of the scope of the Sculptor is good, but its true nature should certainly stay hush hush. Maybe even the motive.
earnest jungle
Nah my theory is that the human agents of the Sculptor are mentioned in the lore background for the compounds.
rotund ferry
It’d explain as to why the AHA is in such disarray
It’d explain why LeMonier died
It’d explain why there are so many offshoot blood cults
late tinsel
I’m pretty sure there’s human agents yes. Maybe possessed or otherwise, but working in Sculpty boi’s favor.
wintry root
what even are the blood cults
rotund ferry
The people that made the avtomat
earnest jungle
I have long believed for example that the Widow Blanchett has something to do with all of this.
wintry root
The people that made the avtomat
besides that?
rotund ferry
Idk, all I know is that there’s quite a few
The reverend is a leader of one
I think
earnest jungle
Personally I think that Huff isn't the Sculptor's agent, I think he was an opportunists.
I think he was using the Outbreak to try and harness the powers of the other world of the sculptor's world for his own ends
late tinsel
He seemed pretty ambitious yeah.
wintry root
some people are definitely sus
earnest jungle
And Lynch was just out to settle her own personal grudges and vendettas
wintry root
and triggered a major crisis in the aha along the way
and this is why vengence is bad, kids
now go to sleep, and dont let the bed bugs bite
rotund ferry
You know, where’s the SCP foundation when you need them
That’d be a pretty cool crossover ngl
wintry root
who would win, shark punching centre or always hunting assholes
late tinsel
Who’s to say Hunt isn’t the SCP prequel?
wintry root
well there is no one canon scp backstory
so...
heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
we got the 1st AAA scp game and we never even knew it
late tinsel
Now you know the deep lore. Amnestics will be administered shortly.
rotund ferry
Idk
earnest jungle
I have a new theory on the blood lines
It’s identity theft
Either we are buying the dead hunters identities or the dead hunters are buying our identities and that’s how recruitment works
A hunter Dies and someone like Stone takes their identity and their equipment and sells it to us
earnest jungle
I assume it’s just bog standard identity theft not everything is super natural
rotund ferry
I always thought bloodline was just the AHA entrusting you with better and better gear as your branch gained more experience
Prestige? That I’m not so sure
late tinsel
What if the player was an entity that can return from death like Lynch and the bloodline is indicative of their strength growing?
rotund ferry
I always thought that the “player” was some sort of office worker/intern who hired hunters
late tinsel
Probably yes
rotund ferry
Like, “ight fam, can you kill beasts quickly and when it comes to it people?”
“Yeah”
late tinsel
Hired
rotund ferry
“K cool, weapons are in the back”
late tinsel
The job interview seems p short.
rotund ferry
And maybe KD isn’t a measure of skill, but a measure of how well you hire
late tinsel
Lol
light solar
What if you are the sculptor
And your playing experience id just watching hunters take on your monsters
Because hunters take the demon blood shit and it gives them powers and presumably is a peice of the sculptors power
edgy silo
that would actually be a cool way to look at it
The player could also be a senior or retired hunter who sends people out
and if you go out naked you offended them
rotund ferry
Anyone know how phantom lost his arm
earnest jungle
Cut himself shaving
wintry root
Safety razors were a gift from our lord Jesus
polar fable
Soooo she is the daughter of PHJ?
wintry root
The plot thiccens
junior pecan
@wintry root Government knows, gave up dealing with it and is now ignoring it. Big ammo boxes are all from an infantry division.
Old lore implied the same thing
I hate to say it seeing as how intriguing it all was but Hunt lore isn’t going anywhere. No buildup, no focus, no explanations and no verifiably true pieces of text anywhere.
Was interested in having the community write it ourselves through community events, but the playerbase doesn’t give two shits. Really disheartening, it all is.
wintry root
<@613313867698929695> Government knows, gave up dealing with it and is now ignor...
interesting
amber harbor
@junior pecan wdym?
junior pecan
@amber harbor Lore will never be cohesive or comprehensive, devs keep pushing it tangentially, never stopping to explain or expand upon anything.
amber harbor
sadly it being a multiplayer game, it kinda has to be that way
as for that 'event', i personally think it was a little bit too demanding for a first try
no offense, but that level of roleplay is hard to do even if you truly want to do it imo
late tinsel
The deepest RP I've seen has largely been Hillbilly with a bomblance hootin' and hollerin', saying they're gonna make me squeal like a pig, etc.
appropriate, but quite alarming to be sure.
hollow granite
My friend did that. But with a saber instead
sinful trout
Vitam Impendere Vero
late tinsel
Vitam Impendere Vero, hunter.
wintry root
Taunting is fun sometimes
molten forge
I've never really seen hunters RP in-game
rare garden
I’ve went in as reverend and purged people with holy fire.
Did he do that ?
Holy fire being hell fires
And purge being instaburning and hitting people
amber harbor
yeah
sudden mist
yes
The biggest lie of all was giving the Reverend a Lebel as his Legendary
And you can't convince me otherwise
amber harbor
wdym?
late tinsel
And you can't convince me otherwise
I’ll bite. Elaborate.
sudden mist
He's an American
True-blue one, at that
Do you really expect someone like that to not use a Yeehaw gun?
Moreover
A rifle that just recently entered military use
Don't make much sense unless the Reverend's hiding something
late tinsel
The Lebel was near a decade old by 1895, though it admittedly wasn’t used by the United States in any capacity until some instances in WWI (if I remember correctly). Regardless, a hunter could get their hands on it in the bayou. The customization of it indicates he had expensive work done on it and might’ve had it awhile. I think we’re looking too far into it, but I can agree it’s a little weird that a priest has a French military rifle.
sudden mist
Gird isn't even a French surname
polar fable
What if it was given to him
rigid sinew
i shot to enemy with nitro express with 7meters and he get hurth but he not died this guy was afk tell me how? XD
amber harbor
you only 1hit kill with bodyshot, but this isnt the right channel @rigid sinew
wintry root
I’ve went in as reverend and purged people with holy fire.
PURGE THE HERETICS
BURN IN HOLY FIRE
NO MERCY, NO RESPITE
AAAAAAAAAAAA
winged minnow
3 people as reverend with 12 hellfires total
wintry root
rare garden
I enjoy doing slight rp with hunters. I also like going in as a redshirt or revenant and asking people to bet their lives on a pistol duel
But nobody responds
wintry root
If I ever see you askin for a duel i'll consider obliging
cerulean trail
@stuck kraken yo
lofty dawn
Whos PHJ?
sudden mist
Philipp Huff Jones
He's the head honcho of the American Hunter's Association and also the director of the local asylum
molten forge
The biggest lie of all was giving the Reverend a Lebel as his Legendary
@sudden mist Honestly I'm more worried they gave him a gun named Altar Boy
sudden mist
Well. Naming it "Blood Libel" wouldn't really fit the theme
sudden mist
Sorry mate
Had to use Archangel for the sniper no one really uses
And Bible Verses are overused
molten forge
There's also the seven sacraments that can be drawn from
Though then again "Baptismal Blood" sort of takes one away
molten forge
Fair enough
rotund ferry
When you think about it, your character had his or her (insert high-end rifle here) delivered in a pig carcass
wintry root
how come
rotund ferry
Carcass gunrunner
sudden mist
I don't think a Lebel would actually fit inside a pig carcass, to be honest
wintry root
maybe if the buttstock is taken off?
earnest jungle
I assumed the Lebel was an expensive gift given to Ishim Grid to celebrate the creation of Healing Waters Church.
I suspect the weapons are first dismantled and then hidden in the pig guts
but returning to Ishim Grid. He is one of many reasons I suspect the Widow Blanchett has a hand in this outbreak.
earnest jungle
In the blog posts detailing the history of the maps there is a name that appears often in them: Blanchett.
Jacques Blanchett used his fortune to intern the bodies buried at Saint Sebastian Church in crypts. Thus church became known as Blanchett Graves as he was very fond of the Church, in spite of it's infamous history.
Likewise Healing Waters Church was built on land purchased from the Blanchett family estate.
Blanchett was a Catholic of French descent. Ishim Grid was a Protestant
And anyone familiar with the history of those two Religions knows that Catholics and Protestants don't get along
According to local legend the Widow Blanchett cursed Ishim Grid and cursed his entire congregation.
The Widow Blanchett is mentioned one final time in the lore for Reynard Mill & Lumber
Just as her deceased husband loved the Church of St Sebastian. She loved the Cyprus Forrests of Stillwater Bayou
wintry root
wow thats a lot of blanchett
earnest jungle
Those Cyprus Forrest days were numbered,
wintry root
maybe the real sculptor were the blanchetts along the way
earnest jungle
Reynard Mill & Lumber heralded the death of those forrests that the Widow Blanchett loved so much. And perhaps as she wandered those forests alone and forlorn in her final days she found something that would save them.
My theory is that there is a cult in the background orchestrating this outbreak.
Not entirely
There's Peter Rorche the butcher whose business was ruined by the Slaughter House Monopoly and the betrayal of Henrik Graf and his community.
And Henrik Graf himself who lost thousands in the economic crash of 1893
Who was obsessed with regaining his lost fortune
I believe all of these individuals have a hand in the Louisiana incident
wintry root
so is this a Warhammer style thing where enough abject mysery will summon a Entity, or is that just fuel that needs cult activity to kickstart it?
the real questions science should NOT be asking because stuff like that remaining vague is essential to cosmic horror
young copper
Hey I am new to lore but I have this question: how are the caged chickens and dogs staying alive and well, is someone feeding them?
young copper
is the bayou supposed to be frozen in the timespan of a month?
or have 2 years gone by?
little violet
why the fuck is the 4 part story "english only"?
rotund ferry
Just out of curiosity, who is/are the writer(s) for the lore stuff in Hunt?
amber harbor
2 devs iirc, they apeared on a stream
wintry root
Seems our Scrooge is in some deep shit
earnest jungle
And it seems Nora has answered our Question of what organization replaced the AHA after the Louisiana Event.
rotund ferry
Seems our Scrooge is in some deep shit
What’s wrong with Scrooge
Did he do a bad thing
mossy bough
Poor Scrooge
wintry root
Dirty deeds done drit cheap
earnest jungle
Timothy Stone is a rat Bastard to be sure. And he’s working with Lynch
Nora should have killed him when she had the chance.
And I’d wager Lynch is the one who’s corrupted the New York Organization.
We know Lynch killed Huff even if she did not Kill him with her own hands.
And we know Stone knew Lynch killed him.
polar fable
What about Finch? Means he’s corrupt too?
earnest jungle
Finch has a hand in this somehow but Nora didn’t seem to think he was in on it. Though we know how well a judge of character Nora was.
Finch may have had a hand in Huff’s death though.
Because the lore seems to imply he framed Finch for the death of his lover to force him into his services.
earnest jungle
I will kill every single Skinflint I meet and I will use his own rifle to do it.
late tinsel
This is a great bit of lore. A spicy meatball.
wintry root
I just realised something. What if the new map is that New York event mentioned in no.4? Does that mean... different entity? new enemy types? New bosses?
late tinsel
Doubt, but this does confirm simultaneous events.
I’m p sure devs mentioned they’re focused only on Louisiana for Showdown. It’s a shame, since they have confirmed multiple events with possibilities for other locations and enemies in the Huntverse, but I’m happy we have what we have. Not enough occult cowboy games.
wintry root
I can only name one other, and that one is super old
Darkwatch. That's the one. Thanks, GmanLives.
late tinsel
Oh man I used to love that game. Dunno how it’s aged.
I do wonder if they’re changing gears and looking at expanding.
glossy falcon
Let's keep the channel to Lore please...
wintry root
ok
wintry root
I do wonder if they’re changing gears and looking at expanding.
anyways as I was saying, no sequels to Darkwatch, sadly. It had potential
Actually I see some minor similarities
it could have been one of a number of inspirations.
late tinsel
I do wonder if they’re changing gears and looking at expanding.
I was talking about Hunt here, didn’t clarify.
wintry root
ah
yeah there was some change in lore direction allegedly
but I am hoping for expansions. There are a lot of time periods and conflicts that are underrepresented in gaming
bold tiger
Have we seen william carter in the lore before? (Character from the trick shooter dlc)
edgy silo
the name tickles my brain but im not sure
earnest jungle
You’re thinking of William Salter
wintry root
yeah he's got some stuff. a bunch of diary entries written by "ws" exist
earnest jungle
He was asking about William Carter not William Salter.
wintry root
something I find really interesting about the latest segment was the bit about Bloodlines. Stone "binds her to his bloodline". This explains a lot about bloodline. Some hunters, or possibly an employer and their hunters, share a "bloodline". What the benefit is...? Improved Traits? Hunters get stronger when bound by blood? This is very meta. Also explains the AHA heiarchy - it's just a pyramid of bloodlines.
Also, going by the employer-hunters logic, Stone binding Nora to his bloodline and then killing her essentially means that Stone, and possibly by extension Lynch, may now have (an unknown ammount of) infulence over the New York branch. God help us all.
earnest jungle
Seems strange. If Stone was going to kill her the whole time why did he chose to "bind her to his bloodline?" Was it to lul her into a false sense of safety? Or has he got something else in mind for her?
severe mulch
Anyone truly informed with the lore around? I'd like to have a brain storm to perhaps figure something out.
I'm looking in to Ada Ruth Shell's story with her mother and trying to figure out the plausible reasons for the Hives to resemble her and her mother.
I had thought perhaps it could be psychological, but the gameplay kind of answers that(i guess).
late tinsel
I'm looking in to Ada Ruth Shell's story with her mother and trying to figure ou...
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but iirc they’re pretty much templates the Sculptor uses. We’re not sure why, but it’s a similar case with several other monsters. It’s “real” not psychological.
severe mulch
They are indeed templates. The fact Ada was pregnant with the larvae would render it fact. But then again, it's not really an explanation i feel.
Now that you mention it, it could jsut be a physical transformation process. Since Ada mentions that she never noticed her resemblance with her mother until she turned in to the Hive.
So is it possible that the Hive is actually a resemblance of Ada, and not the other way around?
late tinsel
Why they were specifically picked and reused, I can’t even offer anything but speculation tbh. Just don’t have enough info on the sculptor’s motives in this particular instance. (Which I like.)
I reckon it could be resembling Ada, though I can’t say for sure. Don’t think that’s impossible, but don’t have enough to say for sure.
severe mulch
Yeah, wasn't looking for solid evidence. Could find that myself. It's speculations i'm after.
But the lack of info is definitely discouraging. Can't even figure out how she lost her arm.
late tinsel
Ah gotcha. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility, but I doubt it. That said, the Sculptor has a notably twisted sense of humor- be it purposeful or accidental.
severe mulch
Not sure what do think of the Sculptor to be honest. Even going through his, Lynch's and the Twins story a dozen times doesn't give me a sense of direction. It's lacking.
late tinsel
We have a lot of charted territory in understanding things surrounding the Event, which sheds a bit of light on the Sculptor's nature and possible rules, but little about the Sculptor itself. Pretty sure that's what it wants though.
severe mulch
I could be confused a bit, but isn't the sculptor the snake that keeps reappearing? It might not have a solid body (yet), but that snake sure loves to appear everywhere both as a spiritual sense and physical sense in all sizes.
late tinsel
Personally, I don't think it is, largely because we know multiple entities are at play for reasons as varied or complicated as some of the Hunters. I believe the Snake is its own thing.
severe mulch
We first see it in mentioned by "Nellie Crown's" (which seems to be recruited by Lynch and then fucking disappearing to thin air) and last as a gigantic snake fighting Lynch in her true form. It's so confusing.
Why do you believe that though? It's pretty clear that Lynch opposes the Sculptor(for her own plans as you also said). And again seems to be getting in the snakes way a lot. So why can't it be the one and the same?
rotund ferry
Yeah I think the snake was an independent entity conjured up or is using fin
Imo of course
severe mulch
But again, why do you think that?
I'm not contradicting these, it might just be. But why do you guys think that?
Regardless though, we deviated from the topic.
rotund ferry
Because there hasn’t been an addiction confirmed between the sculptor and serpents, when fin and jos were experiencing tons of only serpent associated visions and apparitions, it seems like there are multiple distinct powers at play other than just the sculptor and lynch
Again only my opinion from my observations
severe mulch
You are right indeed.
Indeed no matter how many times i read the complete lore, Sculptor is never mentioned.
We only know of it through the devs, correct?
wintry panther
The Sculptor was a name given to the entity pulling the strings since it was ambiguous. It was mentioned in a dev lore interview
They never came up with a name for it. But the fans called it the sculptor and it stuck
severe mulch
Ah it was the fans that called it?
wintry panther
They liked it so much they let it stick around
The serpents and stuff seem to be tied to voudou gods
severe mulch
It's important we make the distinction. You the lore of the Butcher correct?
wintry panther
But there are definitely multiple powers are play and Lynch has her own agenda
Yup!
severe mulch
It's very coincidental that the entity was named "Sculptor", keeping in mind the Butcher was "created" by the Taxidermist that worked with "Clay", and that the twins were ordered by Lynch (indirectly though) to hunt down the Butchers lair.
rotund ferry
I mean there must be multiple if not a healthy population of daemons if Lynch can summon one to take its blood, and given the ever growing number of hunters in lore these beings must be fairly numerous if not common
severe mulch
For some kind of weapon of sorts.
Are you implying there's no greater being pulling the strings, but just a group of mythological beings in lousianna?
Louisiana was known for it's voodoo afterall.
rotund ferry
I think the sculptor is very powerful, as it is running the Louisiana event, but there is definitely a population of lesser entities who themselves are likely vying for power
severe mulch
The more i discuss this lore piece, the more i'm swayed from believing this sculptor even exists to be honest.
Sounds like the case of "American Horror Story". Each case on it's own and no where related with each other.
Anyway, i think i got what i needed of the Hive. Cheers for your time lads.
late tinsel
The more i discuss this lore piece, the more i'm swayed from believing this scul...
I actually thought about this a bit, but now I'm scratching my head. The template creatures we see repeatedly- including the bosses- are indicative of a consistency of affliction in all areas. Most of the folks in the lore appear to be combating one entity that might be bolstered by many lesser entities to work the puppets- or it's so strong it pulls the strings itself, maybe stronger ones work the bosses. We do know multiple entities are at play, though we also know that there is a pattern. Several pieces tend to imply that one entity is largely repsonsible. So, I lean toward the Sculptor being a singular entity responsible for most of what we see.
However, to play devil's advocate, let's explore what would have to happen for it to be several entities that we collectively call 'The Sculptor'. Since we see the templates and similar corruption spread across several areas simultaneously, multiple entities would have to be working in unison at the same time to reach the scope of what we're seeing now. This could explain some of the contradictions among some of the visual elements and symbolism we see in the game. Each entity making something as they all work together. This is assuming there is more than one 'sculptor'. If you were to think of it being more like an entire abstract art team making monsters for whatever reason, you might be able to shape the idea of it being several entities working together.
nocturne wharf
Then here's a 2 cent idea: what if the Sculptor is exactly like us. Not the hunters we play, but us the players. We literally sculpt the hunters we use. Morph them, empower them, enlighten them. We shape and will them. And make them part of our bloodlines.
late tinsel
Then here's a 2 cent idea: what if the Sculptor is exactly like us. Not the hunt...
While it’s clear there’s something arcane going on with the bloodlines and binding, I don’t think it’s that extreme.
Something dubious is going on, but the player isn’t an entity as far as I’m awares.
wintry root
Yeah I dont think it's THAT meta.
severe mulch
You definitely make a solid point
But on the other hand, the pattern we see could be as "simple" as nature to us.
wintry root
The explanation behind the bloodlines is super meta tho. Directly ties into how game mechanics work if I'm correct.
severe mulch
Or "mother nature" to clear it a bit more.
wintry root
That's how Lovecraft works, I guess
severe mulch
This is not lovecraft though.
wintry root
Comic horror, in a way
severe mulch
I wouldn't want to compare it to another formula. Will confuse me.
wintry root
Well what would you classify the Louisiana Event as
severe mulch
Point here is, could just very much be a "food chain" if you will. There is not a single sign of an entity called "the sculptor", yet there's clearly pattern. We know the creatures are of another world(or dimension) so we could very much be seeing that world's pattern and not a single entity's works. @late tinsel
Voodoo @wintry root
Louisiana voodoo is very famous after all
Traditions of the Africans back during the American slavery period.
This has nothing to do with Lovecraft lore, which deals with cosmic horrors. I'd even say this is insignificant compared to Lovecraftian horrors.
wintry root
Fair enough
junior pecan
@severe mulch Lynch has beef with sculptor, the snake (damballah, probably) has beef with Lynch. Its mentioned all throughout BATS.
late tinsel
I had a theory back in the early days that a voodoo practitioner accidentally caused the Louvent. Practitioners openly welcome possessions and there were a lot of clues that it was deeply connected to what was going on. Thought maybe someone was reaching out thinking they were welcoming a spirit, but it was maybe the Sculptor. That was old stuff though so probably not a valid theory that holds water anymore.
severe mulch
Theory might still hold if we put in to consideration what the AHA are after
Or more specifically Dr huff and his Asylum.
wintry root
Which is what?
junior pecan
@late tinsel from my own mediocre studies vodoo possession isnt about good or bad spirits its about ritual being social custom. Possession is temporary and allows communication and exchange, but different spirits require different stimuli to be appeased, or else they’ll just get violent and wreck your shit.
earnest jungle
Doylist Explanation: There’s only a handful of hive models so they created this lore to offer a Watsonian Explanation.
Watsonian Explanation: Ada is to the Hive as the model is to the painting.
junior pecan
Mirror: Doylist irl, but in canon it exemplifies the sculptor’s lack of articulation (along with the presence of clothes and absence of armored horses.)
Then again, i guess that would just be an alternative watsonian, not a sovereign thing.
earnest jungle
It’s also important to remember the story surrounding Lynch and the Twins comes from a very clear fictionalization of the events described.
For example in Bad as they Seem Huff is killed by Lynch who slits his throat.
But a news paper report indicates Huff was shot dead by an assailant outside of his office with a Bornheim Match.
The Exact Details of “As Bad as They Seem” cannot be trusted but the over arching details seem to have some truth in them.
junior pecan
I disagree, the new musket entry shares my own belief that the lore entries repeat presence as fiction is out of necessity lest publication not occur at all, and the document disregarded and lost to time.
It wouldn’t last as anything but fiction, it would be destroyed by some or discarded by others
The remaining pieces exist by riding the line between obscurity and mass production. Eclectic pieces of text printed for sale but never popular enough to be noticed
earnest jungle
I’ve got two things:
- Correct me if I’m wrong but when the “Sculptor” was first named they were described as “a sculptor” as opposed to “the sculptor”
- Voodou doesn’t really have gods. The Loa are powerful entities but they’re not gods because there’s only one god Bondeye. And the Loa don’t operate on a spectrum of good, and evil; but hot, and cool.
When a person is possessed by a Loa it is for the purpose of honoring that Loa during Vodou services. Unless you really really pissed off a Loa I doubt they would do something as extreme as what we’re seeing in the Louisiana Event
junior pecan
Yes sculptor is an archetype like specter or animator, this one is not inherently unique but the events at hand are. 2. Loa are and are not gods depending on who you ask, but some vodoo practicioners do believe in the divinity of Jehovah, and some loa are associated with christianity. Catholics couldnt fully convert them so they just twisted things around real strange.
Damballah is said to have created reality, but again, a lot of this stuff is contradictory
late tinsel
<@!242855540558921728> from my own mediocre studies vodoo possession isnt about ...
This has been my conclusion from research as well. The summary I gave above is criminally lacking in depth regarding the practice.
junior pecan
We don’t know what caused the event, but the first question to ask would be what the fuck is going on in louisiana, which we only know half of the answer to. We don’t know what the sculptor is actually after.
rotund ferry
I don’t see voodoo as the only or the most powerful ethnoreligous method of interpreting and harnessing the powers of the nether realm of the Hunt verse, I mean the Hopi are mentioned as well as the Chinese order having their own understanding of the inoculation ritual
junior pecan
You’re forgetting the sinners
And yea, its not exclusivey voodoo, but voodoo practicion is shown to get results.
earnest jungle
junior pecan
Voodoo isnt more or less true than other religions, but it has MUCH greater utility
earnest jungle
Here it is
junior pecan
Old lore, but it still holds true
earnest jungle
The problem is this comes from Louisiana Event Scrapbook
So how much of this is still cannon and how much as been retconned is impossible to say
late tinsel
We don’t know what caused the event, but the first question to ask would be what...
My theory revolved around a practitioner accidentally making contact with the Sculptor and then the Sculptor using the host to open the rifts or portals whatever.
earnest jungle
This is also my theory essentially
junior pecan
@late tinsel but why? What does it gain? Im hihgly suspecting that it isnt after souls
Im about 60% sure hunters have in accessible souls
late tinsel
Grass is greener on the other side?
earnest jungle
I don’t think the Sculptor is from the Demon’s realm. I think the Sculptor is from our realm.
late tinsel
Idk, I’m not sure the motive matters as much as where it came from and how it functions. I agree that I don’t think Lynch, Sculptor or Snake are from the same places. Demons too.
junior pecan
@earnest jungle its presence appears only after rifts between realities, too much of a coincidence to be otherwise
earnest jungle
I think the Sculptor is a human who is trying to harness the demonic powers of the other world and has unleashed the demonic entities on our world
junior pecan
All organizations regard it as immaterial. If it were a person, lynch would have just killed it
late tinsel
All organizations regard it as immaterial. If it were a person, lynch would have...
I tend to agree.
junior pecan
It may be associated with persons however. The boy in particular
earnest jungle
Boy?
junior pecan
Butcher entries and one of the sparks i believe
Repeat presence of child figure in insane individuals
Someones theory a while back
But in one case it might just come back to refrences of patricide
Theee
*three instances
I forgot grunt entries
late tinsel
Good observation. I’ll have to look into that a bit more.
junior pecan
Someone brought it up to me a long time ago. Same idea as rexlis, which i similarly shot down, but the observation has merit
late tinsel
If there’s a pattern, it’s something they want us to notice. Not sure what the implications are though.
junior pecan
The motivations matter because its the simplest question. We won’t understand anything if we dont understand what is happening, and we can only understand the what of the event through the why of the entities. Their methods are apparent, and uninterpretable as is. We need understanding
amber harbor
or rather the man she morphed
junior pecan
Associated, maybe
earnest jungle
I’m still curious as to Huff’s private Army and Victor’s actions
junior pecan
Caldwell?
junior pecan
Probably basic sadism. Thats the go to explanation for most of the characters. It may have spiritual causation
Like weather
earnest jungle
According to the Lore Victor had been an eager young recruit
junior pecan
Mmmm, not really
late tinsel
Boy went bananas after acting all hyped up about helping Huff. Seems kinda weird to flop without explanation or clear motive.
earnest jungle
However after talking to Huff he changed and he took it on himself to kill Huff’s army and destroy their armory
junior pecan
The way he talks in that story seems distant already
I think he planned it
“Researching competition” dorect quote iirc
late tinsel
Maybe Huff revealed his true intentions to Vic and Vic didn’t like it.
I do think they planned to work together, albeit a tenuous working relationship. Whatever Huff said put him over the edge tho imo.
earnest jungle
Huff was up to something we know of that, perhaps he overplayed his hand.
Something involving Imortality
late tinsel
It’s clear Huff was studying the Event pretty closely, yeah. Whatever he was doing, he was in Lynch’s way and pissed off Vic. It was enough for the Twins to feel the need to waste his associates too.
I feel like learning what Huff was up to would shed a lot of light on the Sculptor and the event itself. It really seems like he was close to something after the way things played out.
rotund ferry
It’s my head cannon that Huff was getting close to a mass inoculation serum that would bypass the need for Lynch’s and other practitioners’ rituals
But that’s purely my own theory
late tinsel
That’s a possibility. In the early days, I figured Huff as a man of science that was trying to understand the Event to put an end to it as he researched it. He might very well have been searching for a solution that would cut out the need for Lynch’s practices, but maybe crossed some ethical lines. It’s also possible his ambitions got the better of him and he was about to cross a line to achieve something by using the powers behind the event.
earnest jungle
John Victor (I forgot there were two victors) seems to have believed that the Twins were being manipulated and were in danger.
junior pecan
His name is also john voekel iirc
earnest jungle
So perhaps what ever power they were working with wasn’t entirely benevolent either
junior pecan
Course not. The archeologist also thought as much, and in the end it was lynch’s intention to sacrifice them
@rotund ferry more rituals than just inoculation, but yes, that does make sense. Only problem I see is that Hardin already figured that out to some degree, and he wasn’t beyond reach
earnest jungle
I was talking about the Snake
Oh I am such an idiot
Issac Powell is the leader of the Night of the Hunt Cult.
And that Cult likely has a hand in the Louisiana Event
Or at the very least don’t think the world can be saved and so seek only to save themselves
rotund ferry
So as of right now Lynch and the Chinese hunters have the knowledge to inoculate new hunters, are there any more confirmed sources of the serum? I suspect that Isaac Powell and the bone doctor, and as a stretch the archaeologist can all create new hunters, also Finch and the original AHA obviously have someone who can create the serum
earnest jungle
There was the guy from the Romero Lore who seemed to be able to make a form of the serum... unless those were vitality shots he was making
Seems to be demons blood isn’t the only way to make the serum.
Of course we could infer that from the Pax Lore and the scornfulness of Lynch as she trapped and bound that demon
earnest jungle
The Redneck and Skinflint Lore indicate some people poses a natural immunity to the outbreak
rotund ferry
You can also get half immunity apparently as of the new lore drops
earnest jungle
On side note. We do know who replaces the AHA. Or we know the acronym of the Organization that replaces it FWB.
They’re the ones who are conducting John Victor’s interview and he’s speaking of the event in the past tense meaning that this is happening long after the Louisiana Event occurred and that this FWB organization is aware of the Louisiana Event
junior pecan
@earnest jungle he used the blood of a dead hunter, so it was a double transfusion
@rotund ferry hardin mass produces it in drinking bowls, then again knowing hardin id bet money all he does is harvest it off of dead hunters. Seems up his alley. Laveau probably knows how, and if Laveau knows she proooobably told john, but im not a voodoo historian.
I wouldnt be surprised if Isaac Powell and night of the hunter have some special method, but if not then i bet they produce it themselves
Nvm, they trade with the gunrunner, they’d be willing to buy it. I overestimated their sense of occult sovereignty.
earnest jungle
I assume that the Night of the Hunt Cult uses the blood they harvest from the boss monsters to immunize themselves
junior pecan
Shouldn’t work i suspect
I’ll see if I can find the document some time today. Its designed around mirror theory but I would imagine it can be adapted to others with ease.
Voila
I haven’t looked at it in a while so it may be out of date. But I doubt as much.
The first half of the fifth paragraph is why I don’t think typical grunt blood would work.
It is specifically distilled from a biological entity that hops out of the loa reality, absorbs biomass, and returns after. The distillation process chemically and spiritually manufactures a serum that ejects part or all of the human soul back into the loa reality, hijacking the blood’s intended purpose. This allows hunters to be unnafected by the sickness in the Bayou, but exposes them to typical spiritual pathogens and ailments present in this other reality, slowly sickening them.
The cost apparent on the unearthly pale skin tone of tier three hunters.
upbeat scaffold
okay: so can someone explain meatheads to me ?
I know it has something to do with pregnant hunters before the syrum but: how
how exactly do leech infested, headless hunks of men play in with pregnant hunters getting power boosts because of the pregnancy
@ me if anybody wants to awnser me (:
wintry root
There were a married Hunter couple that dissapeared. Shortly thereafter, the Meatheads, (and presumable the Butcher) started appearing. It's in the Winfield Musket codex if I'm not mistaken.
lyric arrow
The meatheds are the result of a combination of the fetus and the hunters ritual blood. The demonic essence in the ritualistic hunter blood uses the fetus to manifest in 'human' form, with the pregnant Huntress being a host to be devoured after birth.
Its explained in the meathed, book of monsters entries
light solar
But it gave the huntress superhuman abilities before it killed her
wintry root
Okay so basically "no kids after initiation and you're fine".
wintry root
Thank fucc for birth control
rotund ferry
Yeah the serum and ritual now make hunters sterile
devout cedar
earnest jungle
Inoculation works by exposing yourself to a weakened version or that strain. In theory you could use the blood harvested from boss monsters to inoculate yourself to their demonic corruption. But I would imagine it would be rather like rubbing puss from someones boil in an open wound to inoculate yourself against the disease causing the boils. Crude, dangerous, and really disgusting.
winged minnow
That REDACTED in the letter is Huff right? or did he not found the AHA?
junior pecan
@earnest jungle why would a biological organism intent only on consuming a corpse and returning to its separate reality carry the strain? It has no use for it, and possession is no accidental arrangement, the control of the grunts and others is just as deliberate as their constant reincarnation
Though even less articulate, i might add
I still assert that it displaces the soul
sharp harness
Isn't huff dead
earnest jungle
If the boss monsters did not carry the strain what point would their be to inoculate against it?
junior pecan
@earnest jungle because it isnt present biologically, its present spiritually, in the air, through the rifts. It’s an artificial mutagen, affecting the spirit and in turn twisting peoples bodies into these monstrous creations, but only the first time. After that, the sculptor just picked out the mutations that had the most success and recreated them. It isn’t a biological disease, so the phenomenon of biological disease immunity doesn’t apply to it. Your immune system isn’t able to identify and fight it off because it doesn’t have a physical presence, just a physical effect.
There is a point to be made however in the lack of new mutations, perhaps the sculptor has exhausted what he believes to be his options, and only the presence of new circumstance (meathead, water devil) will yield new results.
earnest jungle
Can you not @ me with every single response! Don’t make me break out the hot takes!
junior pecan
Sorry, just directing it
earnest jungle
I will reignite the Zombie discourse! Don’t try me!
I still think the boss monsters themselves and proximity to them posses a corrupting influence not just the rifts. They are demons after all.
junior pecan
And yet the initial corruption only occurred with the presence of one boss, who had no such effect on other individuals prior in history.
exotic juniper
is immolator meat crispy or dry
raven niche
dryspy?
exotic juniper
delicious
wintry panther
It’s kwipsy
wintry root
The real question the Unnamed Researcher sould be asking
glossy falcon
Let's keep it to lore please
wintry panther
Ty
exotic juniper
ok
late tinsel
👍 and happy holidays, lore hunters. Looking forward to more secrets uncovered in the next update and 2021.
exotic juniper
so would an immolator weigh less or more than a normal human (say benchmark 150lbs)
median zealot
Depends how much hellfire weighs, but id say slightly less since some of them is burned off.
junior pecan
Fire doesnt have weight.
rotund ferry
I’d say that immolators would probably weigh something in the region of ~80 pounds, seeing as they’re really nothing more than charred skin and bone. Their actual organs and such have probably been consumed in their making.
Grunts? About the same as a normal human, however this may differ based on their state of decomposition or what they looked like in life.
Meatheads, without the leeches, are probably at least 300 pounds
Hives are probably 160ish considering they have a wasp nest living inside of em
Water devils probably weigh less than an ounce individually, about as much as a leech most likely, but since I don’t know how many water devils are in a swarm I can’t say for sure
Hellhounds probably weigh about the same as your average mastiff
Maybe a bit bigger