mm thank you for posting that
#lore-discussion
sinful trout
so the main problem many of us had with that statement is this
and afflicted Hunters will be sent out to do so,
slim hatch
Yeah so we have another case of "President's Daughter" with the modern theory
sinful trout
But the issue is in quickplay, the only hunters that are "sent out" wake up from sleep with limited guns and no perks
slim hatch
Well as I always said
"Do not mistaken game mechanics and game lore"
Game mechanics can outright be against lore because people stay for gameplay not for the lore.
sinful trout
fortunately the words crew constantly write in lore for game mechanics that are added. unfortunately for us.
theyve never answered the querstion
every
time
i
ask
slim hatch
My main problem why I'm actually no longer active in this community is because the 'new generation' was too keen on making up their own answers / head-canon instead of analysing actual lore materials given to us and trying to distil it to concretes we can use to build up theories or debunk old ones.
And obv. 'we can't have disagreements here we all sing kumbayaa even if some people singing are doing with via their ass causing a stinky puddle of diarrhoea"
sinful trout
so something im inclined to believe from huffs post is this entry here:
The signs of the damned are multi-fold: at first there is no visual indication, though in later stages the body may begin to deform and putrefy. All cases end in death.
is meant to scare unwilling hunters into going. "oh io have a rash today. seems like im dying" or "i dont have any symptoms of being damned. im probably fine"
slim hatch
based on lore it's fairly safe to assume AHA with its long history has extensive insight into stages of putrification.
sinful trout
im not saying they dont know anything. rather the opposite
slim hatch
We have no basis to confirm that it's used as a form of psychological manipulation / motivation
As such I say big fat "NO BASIS"
sinful trout
fair. completely fair and accurate. but as a wild Hawthorne once said "almost everything in the game has lore attatched"
slim hatch
Congrats... Hawthorn and their crew also completely threw original lore into dumpster without batting an eye.
slim hatch
XD This is why i don't show up here unless summoned.
sinful trout
because of our incessant charm?
@plain grove so yeah. everything after the sculptor came here, is nearly all based on theory. as in none of it matters until we get ANY concrete evidence. as the lore devs straight up told us once "dont trust everything you read from people, people are unreliable and sometimes dramatic"
then they released 3 differrent perspectives on huffs death. then released the monstrorvum and the liber des armantiris. and half of the stuff in there is either false, misled or over dramatised via dime novesl trying to make a profit
slim hatch
Nah, I've my reasons to stay away. I don't like the new gameplay so I've no interest in playing anymore and the new lore is generally a mess. Some of it is good in terms of monster lore. But general world lore i think the original was better.
Now I'll go back to my cave.
sinful trout
and the new lore is generally a mess
preach.
Some of it is good in terms of monster lore
Totally agree. hands crawling on people not scary or dark at all.
But general world lore i think the original was better.
PREACH
the old lore we could at least rely on some peoples words. scognamillio, paxton and black were something we fell hard on against are backs so we knew "theres a good chance theyre not lying."
but they retconned old lore. old lore being
there is only one spider, one butcher. every time you play the game youre playing from someone elses perspective on how the hunt went.
it was dark
ominous
creepy
and downright amazing
slim hatch
And obv. the unreliable narrator every hunt was retelling of same story indeed. Now it's magically 10 (12) hunters killing eachother over and over and over again. I mean at that rate AHA would have no members at all.
Which makes absolutely 0 sense.
slim hatch
Yep so that narrative in of itself makes no sense if it takes place on Earth or even proto-earth
sinful trout
^
slim hatch
Because that would require an endless loop which resets over and over again making it technically a purgatory which it's not.
sinful trout
and not to mention they confirmed theres no time travel in hunt. meaning if its not a purgatory. and its not time travel...
its bs
slim hatch
YES
sinful trout
i seriously struggle to see how so many things that would be fucking shatterred if it was in this way
grunts stay at like 1200 every hunt
aha always has money
always has members
sinful trout
and would have enough bounties to end everything
now
i can see 10-12 hunts total
between the two maps
and even thats a stretch
slim hatch
It's not only that AHA's activity was a secret and always a cover-up
Excuse me...
If you have a Butcher, Spider, Assassin
Appear like fucking mosquitos in the summer.
1200 afflicted slaughtered every time
up to 12 Hunters killed with their weird ass arsenal and trinkets
Do you really think AHA would be able to keep that a secret?
I get it like 1-2 major hunts a year occur that can be covered up
sinful trout
thats why i can see maybe 10 12 hunts,. but the fucking time limit alone
a week? yeah they might be able to keep thiungs under wraps for a week
fucking months?
no way
slim hatch
And then obv. the small ones which are closer to local exorcism and what not but those don't count.
We only look at major events like the Hunts you see in game
sinful trout
yeah like the poultergeist of 85
slim hatch
You can't hide it in the scale that it's in according to the new lore, the whole world would be in panic and AHA would be extinct
sinful trout
and there goes the "secretive" orginization
"oh but theres many installments of the aha" yeah theyd be fucked too
slim hatch
And that's why most Vets have issues with new lore. It doesn't make sense on base logical nodes that would be mandatory to keep the story believable.
Atatatata!
AHA is American Hunter's Organization
There are Hunter Organizations YES
but there is only 1 AHA
slim hatch
Yeah sections are same as branches / cells
That's fine
Doesn't make the member loss and financial loss any more believable tho
slim hatch
I know it does and if i can't believe it then magic is gone
sinful trout
were looking at roughly (being generous here) 1250$ per hunt.
can someone calculate how much money that was?
slim hatch
Any kind of good story with made up elements has to have "SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF" for reader / viewer / player to believe in it. If the suspension of disbelief isn't there.
Well
The story is trash
sinful trout
$35,218.96 PER HUNT
slim hatch
Eh anyway i still haven't undressed after work so take care man!
sinful trout
yeet yeet. hope to see you in here more to keep us in check
slim hatch
X to Doubt... I'm workin on an EU project atm too much work and too little motivation to be here but you can always summon me to rip stuff to shreds if needed
plain grove
I'm playing at the same, so I'm reading in patches but this is all pretty exciting stuff
sinful trout
ignore the parts where me and essence got mad at new lore
its irrellevent
as we do it from time to time
slim hatch
First question with every theory is "What is it based on" "What evidence backs it up?" "Does it violate established facts?" if it's "Nothing or far stretched" , "No Evidence", "YES" then you don't have a theory you've a speculation a far stretched speculation. Our job isn't to write or make up our own headcanon, goal is to understand the world or at least it was our original purpose.
Else here is a theory
"The Essence of Darkness and Evil is actually the Sculptor and is planted by writers to mislead the new generation" because I said so.
sinful trout
Being of decay and pestulence. appears only when it wants to and must be banished so it can wind down after work.
checks out
slim hatch
Poofs
junior pecan
@sinful trout soul farmer makes more sense as a description of the leeches ability to paralyze than as implicit that scog and paxton did comprehensive spiritual research
And whisper mechanics are a super stretch regardless of theory
We have conflicting reports of how the soul interacts with psyche. Some say innate knowledge, others say consciius
neon minnow
Var'uun and Essence you both are sounding like bitter gatekeepers. Arguing that the amount of money wouldn't have made sense at the time? Neither would zombies and giant human-spiders. The game keeps enough of the time period intact to present an interesting take on what would have been another cowboy shooter.
You were here since the alpha? Oh boy, here's your prize
neon minnow
Read the first sentence of my post
sinful trout
that was a singular point
in the entire discussion about lore
good job
you can read a sentance
now go back and look again
time period intact to present an interesting take on what would have been another cowboy shooter.
wow, mighty insightful to lore. go back and at least read the in game book
neon minnow
I've read what the lore has available since it's inception. I'm not saying you don't know what you are talking about, obviously you do, I'm just saying the arguments over minutiae seems overly hostile.
especially if you are going to compare it to real world history and it's exchange
sinful trout
how was it at all hostile? me and essence had a pleasant conversation. the only hostile one here is... well. you
bitter gatekeepers? you came here acting like a spoiled brat. "read since its inception" i doubt that as if you did, youd understand exactly what we were talking about
were not comparing real world history and exchange
were talking resources
grunts, hunters ammo, money, resources. things that are finite and the excessive use of them
if you want to be here to discuss lore
then be here to discuss lore
if you want to bitch and moan because you misread a situation
well
enjoy your day
thats my fginal words on the topic
you can be productive or you dont.
plain grove
From my experience this channel doesn't seem hostile or full of gatekeepers. I'm a newcomer, had some basic questions and they were answered in a friendly manner
jagged tide
Only after rereading it I realized that Lynch refers to Laveau as "one of mine". So Laveau comes from the sculptors dimension as well?
late tinsel
Almost certainly not, based on everything I’ve seen. More than likely they’re just allied.
sinful trout
I agree with @late tinsel .
If laveau was from the sculptors dimension, then her letters to huff wouldnt have been as they were. Additionally. I dont believe lynch is from the sculptors dimension. Twisted, yes and adept at using her abilities beyond just dark sight yes but i dont think shes from their dimension.
Remember. Those entries were written by a man named hayden collins. The same writer who talked about how lhnch killed huff in cold blood while nellie watched and smiled, though he was nowhere near the room.
Additionally someone else said they heard a gunshot and saw a man fleeing from the scene where huff had a bullet wound to explain his death and no sliced throat.
Hayden could have been working with the twins and the twins could have that perspective. Or the man's just trying to make a living off exciting dime novels that are overdramatised
jagged tide
Hmm. Possible, but sounds too complicated. One shouldnt overthink things. Why would Hayden make up a comment like that? He even mentioned the letter. No, I think of Hayden as the only source whos comments can be almost taken at face-value. I dont believe Lynch is human, she thought about giving up her human form and escaped through a portal. Though we know little about those portals. It might be that they lead to several places, not just the sculptors home.
amber harbor
Hayden is a writer first and foremost and so his stories encapsulate the idea of unreliable narrator the best: his tales are legends, based on a true fact(Huff's death presumably) and then blown out of proportion because of the nature of folklore or for shock value in papers
jagged tide
But he knew things he couldnt have taken from witnesses. Im pretty sure Hayden is some kind of Isaac Mendez.
amber harbor
although the way the writers use him is to provide a more coherent narrative, idk how they would have managed to tell the twins story through disjointed documents alone
who is Isaac? @jagged tide
jagged tide
From the tv-show "Heroes". A painter and comic-book-writer. Turned out during the show, that he had (as many others) a supernatural gift and his pictures and stories give important information for the main protagonists to save the world, even predicting the future at times. In the beginning he himself is even unaware of this ability and thinks he made up the stories of his comic-books, even so they tell the stories of other protagonists of the show.
Back in season 1, when Heroes still was an awesome show before it became total BS 😄
amber harbor
so basically a prophet
jagged tide
yeah, kind of. But the point I was referring to isnt the ability to predict the future, but to learn of things in a supernatural/unconcious way - and writing them down as a piece of art and/or fiction - while in reality they are real & important, even the artist bein unaware of their true nature. Some of the sources about Lynch were marked as "story drafts", so these werent even published. The story where we learn how the serum is created (pax-claw-entry) are from Hayden as well. There was certainly no witness around, when Lynch caught that being... and if the stories are rly just Haydens imagination, then all we know about the serum is suddenly only a dime-novel and not the truth as well.
damn, to drunk to write in english...
amber harbor
to be fair, hayden must be involved in some way with the hunts, its all he writes about
also most if not all his entries are unpublished
he could be some kind of a retired hunter who's seen and heard some shit and commiting it to paper
obsidian owl
Hayden being the researcher right?
late tinsel
Harold Black was the researcher. I’m not entirely sure how Hayden fits into everything, but I think I remember another hunter writing that they wanted to serialize their adventures as well.
That actually brings up another question. If hunters were able to serialize their tales, we can assume the AHA basically allowed it to pass since they’d be seen as works of fiction- implying that hunters could actually retire and walk away from the fight when they had their fill. If that’s the case, I wonder what the long term consequences of participation had on old hunters? Naturally, we see a physical price on tier III hunters and possibly the quick play hunters. Makes me wonder how long inoculated hunters last outside of the hunt.
That’s assuming, of course, the AHA survived the Louvent and faction civil war.
obsidian owl
I know Harold is the researcher
I was thinking the guy from the journal entries
that feature the monsters
late tinsel
Yeah, that’s Black.
sinful trout
@jagged tide All we know about the serum IS MOSTLY from a dime novel. just like what we know about the water devils and lynches connection to the flash bomb.
Hayden collins is exactly as Kebab said. Hes a writer first. as he even notes this in his letters to his brothers. however we know OF The serum based on a note Huff himself sent out to all hunters based on Hannah Kinney and her husband, John Kinney. additionally most hunters knew about the serum because huff said in the letter
As you know, women are welcome among our ranks today, as the latest serum - the very serum that allows us to walk among the infected and that gifts us with the Sight - also prevents conception.
from this we can esstablish 3 things.
The serum grants darksight
the serum prevents conception (witcher style, baybee)
The serum prevents corruption via the sculptor (allows us to walk among the infected)
(additionally im pretty sure bomblance is henry caldwells creation for dealing with the meatheads based on this entry) Arm yourselves - I have commisioned special arms, and ammunition, from Henry Caldwell himself for this purpose
@late tinsel good point in the survival of aha after this hunt. i always assumed hunts came after this because of the london graffiti with the voynich letters for AHA
obsidian owl
Is there a deeper reason for hunters killing eachother or is it just "because greed."
red lark
It talks about it in the lore. That hunters started hunting each other because of greed and glory.
And some of the hunters in the lore are just evil people who enjoy killing.
jagged tide
@obsidian owl There seem to be more reasons though. Caldwell sent those malfunctioning weapons even before he started going on a killing spree in the Bayou, so for some reason he wants the AHA dead. Similar for the conflict between the Night of the Hunter and the Caracass-Runner. Chamber's entry implys that there were other reasons for animositys between the groups as well - which makes senese: Ishim Grid being on bad terms with Dr John seems only natural.
Hayden being the researcher right?
@obsidian owl I dont think so. Iirc there were some hints, that the researcher is writing down his stuff not earlier then around 1970... would be quite the lifespan for hayden.
@late tinsel Hayden notes in his letter to his brother (water-devil-entry), that he cant find a publisher for the story of the twins (probably the influence of the AHA). Hayden isnt part of the AHA, that seems pretty clear. He is searching for tales in New Orleans (which speaks against the Mendez-idea of mine - even so the question how he knows some things cant be explained by just gathering stories). "Bad as they seem" has no publishing date, so maybe the AHA has confiscated it. Even the text about the Water-devil is only published in 1910. The existence of the researcher is a good hint, that the AHA and their archives exist in some form even after the louvent.
(additionally im pretty sure bomblance is henry caldwells creation for dealing with the meatheads based on this entry)
Arm yourselves - I have commisioned special arms, and ammunition, from Henry Caldwell himself for this purpose
@sinful trout Ah. never noticed. Yeah, seems that way. Thats how I use it as well, when going solo-hunting for daily-quest 😄 . I wonder how Henry Caldwell stands towards the AHA. The lore-text of the "Certain Victory" implies a rift between him and his son, so Henry probably didnt take part in Victors betrayal (which would explain, why the Chain-Pistol ingame is actually working ^^).
Your right, I forgot about the letter of Huff Jones. But I mostly meant the origin of the serum as being "demon-blood" - which we only know from Hayden. If we cant trust those comments from Hayden we are suddenly even more in the dark about the Louvent - is the existence of other "loa" besides the sculptor (like the snake) confirmed through any other source then Hayden (iirc the devs spoke of different "powers" in QnA but did they confirm different outerworldly beings)?
sinful trout
Yeah devs said that the sculptor wasnt the oly entity at play
cyan lava
Is there any sitevwhere lore is pooled? Or i must rely on lore unlocked thru gun/monster books?
amber harbor
@cyan lava pinned messsages
cyan lava
Ok thnx
red lark
It would make sense that other beings are at play, seeing as the discussion of the origins of immolator points to it being completely separate from the sculptor.
jagged tide
Maybe. So the change of the Immolater happened out in the Bayou. And it happened only once. Where do all the Immolaters come from, if they are not copies of the first, made by the sculptor?
maiden kindle
does anyone knows if Nadia Orville survives her 'bursting into flames' ordeal?
red lark
Yeah, and then there’s the whole question of the spider’s purpose. I’d like to think it’s around to kill corrupted elements. Why do immolators play so nicely with grunts and other monsters? You’d think they’d be hostile if not from the same root.
obsidian owl
Well the assassin was made to kill the hunters right? The spider seems the only one to have not mutated from a human (maybe meathead and butcherer). What if the spider's role was to not kill, but rather capture people, to make it easier to infect the hunters? I doubt the outside force responsible for the Louisiana case knew the exact workings for the serum, at least in the early days of it's usage. It could have been something that was once used for capturing survivors that was "repurposed" after the serum was made.
My knowledge of the lore is limited by the fact that I'm committed to learning it all ingame and not just hopping on the wiki
jagged tide
@maiden kindle Its written in the following entries of the martini. Spoiler: Yes she does.
obsidian owl
Immolators seem to primarily manifest in religious people yes?
I remember something about a reverend being the first case of immolator
And they seem to be the most biblically connected
jagged tide
@obsidian owl We know only about the first immolater. He was a reverend, yes (Reverend Jeremiah). And tortured out in the Bayou. We dont know where the other Immolaters come from, but afaik the Devs kinda confirmed, that all or most creatures in the Bayou have been "cloned" (or copied or what ever you wanna call it) over and over again by the sculptor. So there was probably only one original (that might have been created in an entirely different way).
obsidian owl
so is the sculptor the entity behind the louisiana event?
or is it an actual person
jagged tide
or is it an actual person
@obsidian owl we dont know
so is the sculptor the entity behind the louisiana event?
@obsidian owl yes
obsidian owl
So for now it exists only as a hypothetical mastermind?
jagged tide
So we dont know how or when the Louvent started, but the sculptor is the main antagonist
We know that he exists from several different sources
jagged tide
several references AND confirmed by the devs. Though he is NOT the only supernatural actor in the Bayou.
The sculptor is mentioned in entries about Lynch, in one of Chambers letters, and in some of the original "Lousiana case-files" (that were in the books once but have been removed with patch 1.0)
It is probably been mentioned more often, but its hard to remember everything
We know close to nothing about the sculptor or his motivation (hunger). But I have a theory, that he possesses a certain human boy.
Iirc someone in the Lousiana Case files sayd "he could be anybody". So he probably has a host or a human body (like Lynch had).
obsidian owl
The way the infected's lore is presented I love
having someone looking at what happened from later on down the road makes it feel more dynamic and lifelike
jagged tide
I tried to put together a timeline of the Louvent, but many crucial happenings are undated (like the death of Huff Jones, or the gathering in Arden Parish's Town-hall).
obsidian owl
I wanna try and learn it myself ingame, but thanks!
jagged tide
np
Will give you your own point of view. Feel free to let us know what you find out, guess or wonder.
red lark
I mean, the spider was created from humans and there’s argument as to whether it’s meant to build or destroy corrupted elements.
obsidian owl
If the hive is made inside a woman's...uh..."space", then how does it end up sticking up through the upper chest?
jagged tide
A small tip: The only lore I found ingame were letters at the walls of the Batterie and the Fort in Delta and some announcements pinned on walls. You can best read them with lamp and some kind of scope
red lark
As far as the sculptor, there’s the whole (in my opinion) wrong perspective that the bone doctor caused all of it
obsidian owl
Corrupted elements being the undead?
red lark
Oh very cool @jagged tide
obsidian owl
why would the very same entity making them want to destroy them
red lark
An entry from black suggests it
Along with the argument that maybe they shouldn’t kill the spider because it might be containing evil
obsidian owl
Could the spider be some sort of mutation? perhaps made to just kill everything it sees. Maybe the spider senses us as a corrupted element
jagged tide
The way I understood it: When the sculptor weakens, some of his creatures get a will by their own and become destructive. So the spider kills the dysfunctional creations of the sculptor to rearange their body-mass. Much like white blood-cells or antibodys.
red lark
It’s origins are discussed in the notes. I don’t want to spoil it if you’re looking to dig e it out for yourself
@jagged tide agreed
jagged tide
So if you see the Sculptor as some kind of hive-mind, the destructive servants would be like cancer-cells
obsidian owl
If the Assassin is meant to kill the hunters, and the Spider is meant to kill the "bad seeds" of the corrupted, then what purpose does the Butcherer serve?
red lark
Butcher was made by a taxidermist lol
jagged tide
thats what I was asking myself before
My theory would be, that he gathers "material" for the sculptor, since his lair is always filled with dead bodys
red lark
Yeah something is stacking all those dead pigs
jagged tide
The Taxodermist gave Butcher its form, but it must have some purpose for the sculptor
red lark
Because we know that the spider is made from mass amounts of human corpses
obsidian owl
oh so the taxidermist wasn't just a joke?
red lark
And there’s the question of the cocoons we see everywhere
jagged tide
he found a dead meathead and played around with it
obsidian owl
Dude I need to do my damn homework I don't know a damn thing
sinful trout
where did you get this information @jagged tide
"When the sculptor weakens, some of his creatures get a will by their own and become destructive."
sinful trout
yes it was a mass grave for dr reeds party of survivors
obsidian owl
Wait a human taxidermist made the butcherer?
sinful trout
@sinful trout blacks notes
@red lark
trying to find out which one
red lark
@obsidian owl yes, he fled the city because people thought his work was unholy. He found the meathead’s body and figured it would be his masterpiece
sinful trout
dr reed and his 13 were the spider
red lark
Hence the pig head stuck on with sticks
sinful trout
Ariel Daunoy was the taxadermist. it came to life and mangled him
obsidian owl
I assume he was promptly killed by his own creation?
sinful trout
sure was
albeit notpromptly. he was found on a road to stillwater bayou
recogniseable only from his glass eye
obsidian owl
as any demonic creation ever made under the sun has done to their creators
red lark
The origin of the meathead is a lot more revealing of how twisted it all is though
jagged tide
Interpretation of the spider entries (its my own words and conclusion though) and thinking about salter etc. "Scognamiglio had his own theory. Even explained it to me once. I don't remember the
circumstance of our meeting. It was sometime after I'd killed it myself. I believe he cashed out
my bounty, even.
He said, parts of the Devil, The Lord of the Flies, the Sculptor, whatever you want to call it, went
bad. Not often, but they did. When it weakened, they went feral, or something like to that. Hard
to imagine, isn't it? The Spider, Scognamiglio speculated, was there to make sure that didn't
happen It was faster and stronger than anything else, symbolically different to the insectoid
forms of the others. It's function was cauterization. Destroy the bad parts. Trap them in webs.
Kill them. Eat them"
sinful trout
@red lark
this is blacks notes on the subject ``` And that's just what Black wondered about. Why was this thing designed to be so deadly? So much more developed than any others? He thought it was simply a builder. There was these huge cocoons, in the church for instance. Incubating more and more of the plague.
Thanks
sinful trout
@jagged tide interesting. so you instead think of the thing getting weakened is in fact the sculptor and not the pieces
thats a take i dont think any of us considered before. good catch
obsidian owl
I really need to do my homework
red lark
Yeah the pieces keep coming back so it must be the sculptor
jagged tide
yes. I always thought the sculptor to be smthg like a hive-mind... controlling all the creations. But from the Grunt entries we got the theory, that the Grunts still have part of their mind, but not in control of their bodies
red lark
I feel like whoever this next boss is will really help fill in plot holes
obsidian owl
maybe sculptor himself gets off his fat ass and gets his hands dirty
jagged tide
And Salters switched between... whaterver evil took control - and his true concies
sinful trout
mm. further supported by leeches connected to meatheads
meatheads cant see someone, but leeches inform him of where they are
jagged tide
yes, alot like this
sinful trout
thats quite the interesting take.
obsidian owl
Maybe the hives keep all their conscious? it would be a waste of the sculptors power to control them if the hive insects do the fighting
red lark
I’m still curious how immolators became a part of this though
sinful trout
@red lark someone mentioned it earlier but thats believed to be adifferent entity as it doesnt follow the sculptors aspectas
sinful trout
less, "open" more "shatter"
obsidian owl
Maybe their job is to destract
jagged tide
I thought, that he might be in contact with everything through thes elarvae: They are in the veins of the Grunts and inside the skin of armoreds. Maybe they were as well somewhere in the skin of the butcher and took over the new body.
sinful trout
but yes theyre called the more intelligent ones
red lark
The snake in the fire, the rituals by lynch, the origin of the immolator. Definitely a religious element
obsidian owl
@sinful trout well that's a lot better job than anyone else can do
jagged tide
@red lark yes. The contact with the snakes is even called an "initiation"
sinful trout
Maybe they were as well somewhere in the skin of the butcher and took over the new body.
@jagged tide
theory?
jagged tide
yes
sinful trout
ah
sinful trout
@obsidian owl dont discredit the armoreds
they were beetles in the armoreds chitin werent they?
hold on
jagged tide
yes
red lark
Do you guys remember Samson?
obsidian owl
maybe the immolators job is to "clear a path" for the other creatures?
red lark
Was he around before the serum?
obsidian owl
Fire, knocking down doors, speed
jagged tide
The spider has 6 leggs... its no spider but an insect too
sinful trout
youre correct
jagged tide
@red lark no
jagged tide
Samson did the initiation with Coetzee. So he had a serum
red lark
Samson was a hunter but somehow turned into an armored?
jagged tide
yes
sinful trout
@red lark samson as in harold blacks samson?
red lark
That’s bizarre
Coetzee
I’m not aware of a connection with black, but that would be interesting
jagged tide
Maybe
sinful trout
Through Samson I met a young group of other hunters, and together we one day found ourselves in the upper gantries of the new prison, out Lawson way.
assasin entries. 4/5
jagged tide
I thought that Coetzee's/Samson faction was the same as Blacks
sinful trout
The first night A man called Samson had offered me work. Three of us paddled out in a flatboat to the middle of a great lake. Black sky wrapped around the boat. He shone a light.
definately the same
red lark
Yeah, for sure
sinful trout
samson must have changed in the newer entries as theyre not documented in the main document
red lark
Vet deadeye I believe
Is where it’s documented
Coetzee talks about training people with the bayonet and how he only had to use his once
jagged tide
"Samson was missing I was tracking him. To an old house In the
dark, one of the Armored ones charged me. I levelled my rifle and held it firm. The Armored hit
and the bayonet went to the hilt. I held the rifle firm, level, steady, as it lunged and grasped at
me, but not reaching Pushing It slid me across the floorboards until the Vetterli stock hit the rear
wall. The Armored was still grasping at me, stuck fast on the blade.
Pinned between the wall and the armored I worked the bolt. The first shot splintered the already
shattered plate. The Armored groaned and leered in closer, its tilted head gnashing up at me I
recognized it then. Samson. I kept Firing"
sinful trout
mm now that im rereading it its coming back to memory
its been quite a while, my mind is clutterred and cloudy
jagged tide
Leander Coetze writes later, that he had to kill Armored-Samson again... so the sculptor copied him as well. But the quote shows, that there were Armoreds BEFORE Samson was taken over... weird.
sinful trout
could be a loophole. ill contact hawthorne
red lark
Yeah just like the assassin was black’s acquaintance
Obviously these creatures are copies
jagged tide
yeah
red lark
Well do you think the armored was a sculptor invention?
Because there are those notes about human preservation
jagged tide
"Trying to remember, but I don't I lost track of specific events. We all did. A lead to B, B to CC to D, but D back to B. Then B happens the same way as before, but you end up at A Does that make sense? "
true
There are also hellhound drawings in the Fort, but the fort had been decomissioned in 1885 - 10 years before the Louvent.
could be a loophole. ill contact hawthorne
@sinful trout What are loopholes?
red lark
The armored?
jagged tide
not sure. Those notes noted the creation of "wasp-nest-like substances". Sounds alot like armoreds
Maybe the sculptor just found smthg interesting and used it. Like Grunts are just human bodies used for his cause.
red lark
Yeah that’s where my thoughts immediately went
sinful trout
@jagged tide sometimes theres discrepencies in the writing. simple mistakes, weve found them before and they got fixed.
red lark
Who the hell knows, maybe the bone doctor does play a part in it
sinful trout
just copy
@jagged tide
thats definately a possibility, but his power that warps and twist things would also indirectly mean he changed those people, like ava Shells mom or reeds party
jagged tide
The meathead was the child of Hanah Kinney - no sculptor involvement, Grunts - basic humans, Immolater - spontanous human combustion, Hellhounds - Natchez wardogs/ Bunny with rabbies, Butcher - build by Taxodermist; Assassin - Vincent, Spider - Reeds Frankenstein-experiment (?)... all these were not rly designed by the sculptor... just used
yes...
jagged tide
Yes
sinful trout
most of theese changes seem to occur under extreme stress
red lark
Yeah, exactly
jagged tide
Except for Adas mom. She seemed relaxed
sinful trout
I couldn't take a breath without getting them in my mouth. I saw more and more and then more going into Mama's, and then her ears, and her just standing there, not moving, fanning and chewing and fanning" ```well
jagged tide
ok
sinful trout
jerry was getting the shit kicked out of him
jagged tide
yeah
sinful trout
samson was training recruits. probably had hardin up his ass
jagged tide
a quote from the bible afaik
red lark
Yeah poor Samson
sinful trout
he starting screaming. Scripture it were I think, though he sounded like the Devil himself
red lark
The first entry describing the armored notes that they’re always in important locations and it’s almost like they’re important people
jagged tide
maybe they "invited" something inside them. Something that was alrdy talking to them, like the patients in the asylum
red lark
So maybe there’s something to the fact that Samson became an armored and not a grunt
sinful trout
@red lark i believe thats just lore for the "guards" update
jagged tide
There was some notes about that... onyl warriors become armoreds or smthg like that
weak marsh
you guys think they'll ever explore other events around the world? probly not in this game but if they made a second hunt later down the line.
sinful trout
These are the raw virtues and sins of those who are made Armored. Indomitable will, that in death, catalyzes their petrifaction. A curse and a blessing, for the hardened chitin is at the mercy of our own hellfire. A spark of ignition enough to set it ablaze and burn the will out from within.”
@weak marsh god i hope so
we know there were several hunts. like 1885 poltergeist
so according to TamScog, thats the prerequisite for the sculptor to copy it
jagged tide
thats the quote I meant. From what we heard, Samson was a strong fighter and not as nihilistic as most hunters
jagged tide
yeah, Tamrat is a problematic source
sinful trout
as you see
The lord of pestilence has stripped the Walls of Dis of their guardsmen. Now, the cursed roam the nine circles free. Hell has been harrowed a second time, but the saved souls are not deserved to rise to heaven. To Earth instead, to sanctify our hallowed ground with their Satanic sentiment.
the man tends to be a bit dramatic sometimes
but that doesnt mean he aint smart
When he thrust the blade, he was able to stab clean through an armor plate and pull it free beautiful seque by the way @signal heart
going from that to the immediate testing of the plate
Tamrat was younger than I imagined, his writing having a quality heavy with the weight of years. I swiftly picked apart what little he knew of Natural Science
jesus black dont bully the man
jagged tide
A man of science and a man of mysticism. Ofc they would disagree on each others mehtods 😄 But they still worked together...
sinful trout
...
jagged tide
I think I found a place out of the lore in Stillwater btw
a place were Black researched Grunts
sinful trout
and a mere few paragraphs later
We torched the house and rode from Algiers before the crime was discovered. Tamrat was forlorn at the loss of his library, and we parted ways at the docks. sorry bout your house. bye
shoot
jagged tide
Oh btw: We were talking about the maggots. Reed writes, that moths came out of every dissected body (though its not clear how much sanity was left in him at that time)
sinful trout
hold on
The infection is potent. Odd. I began an autopsy yet the corpse—but two hours dead—contained only moths. Living moths and no organs.
that, yes?
did you perhaps notice the next photo, what exactly was wrong with it?
jagged tide
yes, that. you mean the anatomic drawing with the insects inside of the body?
jagged tide
Did we ever find out what happened to Reed? We know he didnt become the Spider... but did he "create" the Spider (like the Taxodermist "created" the Butcher)? Or did he become part of it? Or is he still out there?
sinful trout
grunt
WHY DOES NO ONE LISTEN TO ME
dr reed and his 13 were the spider
@sinful trout
sinful trout
just read it as "Dr Reed's 13 were the spider" ^^
@jagged tide
tis works.
this*
better than did read as 🙂
sinful trout
its high time for another qna though
jagged tide
y
sinful trout
Q: Are there multiple “groups” within the aha? Ex: like mafia families. Certain groups that operate outside of ahas parameters
A: This is addressed in future lore
jagged tide
But I heard there wont be any soon, right?
sinful trout
most of our questions are outdated
jagged tide
I think we sure could put together some good questions. We shouldnt rely too much on our theories though, cause if they are wrong alot of questions might get oboslete...
jagged tide
thats nice to know ^^
wise sluice
Hey, weird question but is there any significant lore or information to be found on the maps themselves? Like there's easter eggs but is there any interesting things in the maps that supports the lore or theories thereof?
Other than the enemies
neon bison
There's a fair amount of lore scattered around the maps in the form of documents/pictures
wise sluice
Oh, didn't know about the documents. Are there particularly interesting ones?
red lark
Why did ada Ruth shell survive and what do you think the significance of her miscarriage is? Obviously she didn’t become a hive...
Perhaps going off of our conversation earlier- her being void of emotion is what saved her?
obsidian owl
It wasn't a miscarriage I thought it was an abortion
jagged tide
@wise sluice as far as I know the only rly interesting ones are the letters in the Fort and the Battery, proving that something was going on in the area even dozens of years before the louvent (soldiers on secret missions, faked deaths, detailed drawings of hellhounds). There is also the note about discussing the "flue" in the town hall of Arden Parish (from the looks of the town hall something happened there). But apart from that I havent found much. Its frustrating that there are so many easter-eggs and so few lore-related stuff 😦
wise sluice
Maybe there's something buried deep out there
What about that gravestone with the teddy bear, is that something?
jagged tide
I would love it if their would be something, but I have searched pretty much each compound, and I am sure I am not the only one who made lore-research runs... maybe there is still something left, but if there is, it is very well hidden.
The gravestone looks to me like a memorial for a dev's child 😦
I THINK I found the place, where Harold Black examined some Grunts (a small isle between Blanchett, Cyprus, Crematorium and Lockbay)
The wasp-nest- like stuff in all sacral buildings (and at some other places) surely are lore-related as well, but we know little about it.
Same goes for the "tree-man". I dont think he can be called an "easter-egg".
Thats all that comes to mind currently... Maybe somebody else knows more @wise sluice
wise sluice
Hey, you gave me a lot, thanks man!
I'll probably go find those things on my own
Or try to, at least
red lark
When it comes to piecing together the lore, is the general consensus that the stories from Hayden Collins are accurate?
gaunt halo
Yo I've been playing hunt since early access but am just starting to look at lore can somebody catch me up or send me a video
rotund ferry
I’d check the pinned document
gaunt halo
Where
warm lagoon
@gaunt halo This channel's pinned documents
sinful trout
@jagged tide jesus no, nothing that dark. Ortiz sullivan is just a designer dev
red lark
Thoughts on Hayden Collins though?
Because reading his entries on lynch im not sure how reliable of a source he is
jagged tide
Well, that takes away the bad feeling I always get when passing that gravestone, thx XD
@red lark We just dont know
red lark
If true, then lynch concocts the hunter serum from a literal demon
sinful trout
@red lark yeah sorry. I dont believe hayden is reliable
red lark
Agreed
sinful trout
The truths somewhere in everyones statements
jagged tide
I took his writings at face-values so far tbh
sinful trout
You just have to find whats true and whats false
red lark
Lynch seems much different with the twins than in Hayden’s stories
jagged tide
The story about the twins is Hayden as well
sinful trout
Shes basically a god
red lark
She’s a literal monster
sinful trout
In twins perspective shes just lynch
red lark
The twins don’t trust lynch though
In one entry it compares her to the snake in the fire
sinful trout
From haydens stories yes
jagged tide
Isnt "bad as they seem" written by Hayden as well? do we have other accounts on the twins?
red lark
Ooh yeah you’re right
sinful trout
But not first hand accounts from fin and jos afaik
Its other hunters talking about them
Like john voekel
jagged tide
So if we cant trust Hayden, bad as they seem might just be made up as well
red lark
The three brothers story is pretty crazy
sinful trout
Thats also john voekel right?
red lark
Didn’t believe that one either
sinful trout
Yeah
red lark
Yeah
sinful trout
I dont like that one because its "nobody hunted in trios before the twins. Dunno why. They just didnt"
Bullshit
jagged tide
Wish they would implement some kind of curse on teams of 3 😄
red lark
I’d take like a million people
red lark
Yeah
red lark
I was reading through coetzee’s last entry where he encounters Samson again as he was fighting Caldwell.. why was Caldwell in a house with an armored?
sinful trout
Same reason some people ignore ai when theres hunters nearby i suppose
red lark
Fair enough
sinful trout
Its also possible
That mr victor didnt take the serum
And was corrupted by sculptor
Buuut
red lark
Also, who is huff Jones’s son?
sinful trout
That's not even theory
red lark
Right
sinful trout
That's hardly soeculation
Huffs son...
You mean Phillip?
Or phillips son
Because i dont think Phillip had one
red lark
I’ll reread it but there was a note I swore was to his son about not becoming a hunter
Or maybe that was to him? Could’ve misread
sinful trout
Phillip Huffington Jones is the son of another huff
Phillip has written to hid father a few times.
And phillips father wrote back once telling him not to join the hunts "i would advise against taking up arms"
Try the Bornheim. Pretty sure thats the note you are referring to
correspondence Phillip Huff Jones
Usually means to phillip from someone
jagged tide
The letter was from John Welch Jones, Philip Huff Jones' father
He was a Hunter and the superintendant of the Asylum before his on took over
*his son
jagged tide
just checked my timeline 😉
sinful trout
You made a timeline?
jagged tide
"1888: Philip Huff Jones replaces his father, John Welch Jones (a member of the AHA too),
as superintendant in the Jackson asylum."
yeah, but its missing alot
sinful trout
Talk to @wintry panther pretty sure he was working on one
jagged tide
But here is my question about "Huff": Who the hell is "Jessica"? His WinfieldC is called after his wife (widow): Augusta. But his Dolch, the "Bedlam lullaby", a much more expensive weapon, has the name "Jessica" engraved into it. Is she his lover? Or his daugther?
On second thought... "Lullaby" points towards daugther.
Do we have a date for Philip Huff Jones' death? I didnt find any, and imho its one of the most important turning points of the story
sinful trout
There is. Hold on
jagged tide
Phase 2 starts at 20:00. Last chance to make the event work out. https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/8/2292842508246099399/
sinful trout
Cant find the entry. Let me get on my rig
jagged tide
You mean the entry from the newspaper? Thats the Bornheim extended. Its undated unfortunatly
i mean Bornheim match
sinful trout
Yeah i havent updated the doc in some time. Need to do that soon
Damn it fs
Fuckin murdering huff
primal goblet
So. Some of the journal entries seem to suggest that they were written after the sculptor was dealt with- however one would do that- do we have any information on the end of the Louisiana incident?
polar fable
@primal goblet nope, nothing official, we only now that the event was stopped and that it was very special in some way (lots of similar events had happened in the world before this one). I guess more lore is coming with a new map for sure so we’ll get our answers one day
primal goblet
Interesting.
I wonder if part of the significance is simply the proximity to then modern time. More accurate recordkeeping and all that.
sinful trout
@primal goblet the researcher is farther in the future. Additionally there was a 2019 researcher and a researcher from some timr after the punk era
jagged tide
There was this note in the Louisiana papers (ingame lore that was removed with patch 1.0). One guy there noted, that the sculptor would have a great bounty on his head, but he would summon several beings that all would have bountys (the bosses prbly). So maybe thats so special about the Louvent: Not just one Demon that can be hunted, but several. Hence the greed of the hunters, that led to conflict: Much more money in playy
"MY SUSPICIONS WERE PROVEN JUSTIFIED TODAY.
THE TELEGRAPH SAYS IT'S NOT A SIMPLE INFECTION. JONES SUSPECTS IT'S A SINGLE ENTITY MAKING MONSTERS OF MEN. WE PROBABLY HAVE A SCULPTOR ON OUR HANDS. BUT IF THE DOCTOR'S RIGHT SOMEHOW THIS ONE'S ABLE TO POSSESS AND SHAPE MULTIPLE PEOPLE. SEVERAL THINGS TO CONSIDER...
CAN IT POSSESS INANIMATE OBJECTS? THAT POLTERGEIST CASE OF '86 WAS CERTAINLY NOT PLEASANT.
WHERE IS ITS SEAT OF POWER? WHERE IS ITS HEART?
WHAT'S THE BOUNTY FOR A BROOD MONSTER SUCH AS THIS? A CIRCLE?
IF IT CAN POSSESS ANYONE, THAT MEANS ANYONE CAN BE THE DEMON. THIS MEANS NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED. WE DO NOT YET KNOW HOW ARTICULATE THIS ENTITY IS.
HOWEVER...
THIS ALSO MEANS THERE WILL BE AN INEXHAUSTIBLE SUPPLY OF THINGS TO HUNT, EACH WITH ITS OWN CONTRACT. I HOPE.
GOOD. IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
AND IT FEELS GOOD TO BE BACK.
LET'S GET STARTED...
CHRISTOPHER PELLELLA, JR."
btw: Wasnt the name of the old guy, the one Chambers had to execute for Hardin, Pellella as well?
@primal goblet
sinful trout
Chambers executed john hayward hunter or was it hardin
But either way pretty sure chambers accidentally killed pellella
All i remember was a scuffle between bear and him and chambes shot pellela while telling him to stop struggling
jagged tide
ah! your right. Mixed those up
gaunt halo
Ok I have a question ab lore, in the grunt section of the book of monsters it mentions a bite mark on the necks of all the grunts that could possibly be the reason for there trans formation, could it be the spider that made grunts?
Btw it's mentions "fang like bite marks"
wise sluice
Hey, to anyone participating in the Order of St Michael event tonight (like me) I wish you good hunting! Maybe we'll catch one another out there
obsidian owl
@gaunt halo There's currently a belief that all or at least most of the creatures have been cloned by the sculptor, which is the main antagonistic force of Hunt Showdown and the thing responsible for the louisiana event. It is possible that the spider made some of them, but they were most likely cloned with said mark imprinted onto them
gaunt halo
Ok thx @obsidian owl
obsidian owl
yeh no problem
I'm still trynna learn the lore myself
jagged tide
While Highly Intelligent is correct that everything points towards all creatures in the Bayou being cloned/copied, Grunts are the most diverse in terms of appearance. So either they are an exception or there is jsut a larger "pool" the sculptor can copy from. Maybe the bite-mark is copied as well, so it could be the source of change for the original Grunts, that gets copied with them. The Spider is believed to either build... something, or act as an antibody for corrupted beings - but this isnt confirmed either, nor is it certain that it doent have more purposes. It COULD be the one biting humans and turning them into Grunts.
My guess (but this is just my theory) would be, that the bite-marks are the place, were the sculptor injected his maggots. Those maggots reshape the body from the inside (it only looks human, but works entirely different now) and act as the connection to the "heart", the "queen" of the giant hive-mind: The Sculptor.
amber harbor
Hellhounds have fangs, maybe they have something to do with it? Or any creature can infect and grunts are the oldest creation preceded only by hellhounds
jagged tide
Afaik there is one letter of Chambers in which he says, in the beginning they were (or believed to be) only hunting "dead men" - so in the early stages of the Louvent there prbly were only (mostly) Grunts. But we have several hints, that the Hellhounds actually are very old: the drawings in the military buildings (which should have been abandoned in 1885), reports of wild dog-packs already in 1892 in the area and Tamrat making a link to the wardogs of the Nachetz-rising in 1729. So it might be that Hellhounds are the oldest lesser supernatural beings of the Louvent.
red lark
@jagged tide in Coetzee’s journal about training people with the bayonet, he says that one of the boys who was practicing on tied up grunts actually turned. The boy talking to Nadia during her fight with the British fella mentions being bitten by a grunt and was concerned about whether or not he’d turn.
jagged tide
This points more into the direction of an actual disease (even so the borders between viral/bacterial-infections and parasites are fleeting- like with malaria for example). But your right, it seems to be contagious.
But then, why do Grunts have a bite-mark?
Or is it something different?
red lark
Right, so there’s definitely some spread but given that the boy with the bayonet (I hope) didn’t get bitten suggests that it might be something else
And as far as dogs- that makes sense. It’s easy to get caught up in the stories of bunny, but there’s a ton of evidence pointing to the point you made
jagged tide
"*We took Grunts, Lurching and dropping **maggots *out their wounds ... The recruits were splattered with blood and moths. One kid got infected from that. We tied him up too. Another went feral, stabbing a grunt a hundred times until its head was mess of pulp" Moths and maggots. Maybe it wasnt the blood, but a maggot or moth creeped inside his body... and one went feral - maybe like Salters?
amber harbor
would you say the grunts are still cloned or are the same models due to game budget restrictions
jagged tide
dunno. At first I thought its only budget, but there was one QnA where the Devs kinda admitted that some creatures (at least: Bosses and Hives) are cloned... But things COULD be different for different creatures. As I said: grunts are obviously much more diverse then the other creatures (all Immolaters, Armored, Hellhounds and Meatheads have the same models [except for equipment like concertina-stuff and helmet]; Hive has at least 2 models [so it isnt just Ada's mom]; but Grunts come in a HUGE variety). And some variants only appear at places were they had been as living humans (prison-guards, etc). So grunts might actually be something different. They are categorized different as well: "infected" for Grunts and "marked" for Immolaters, Armored, Meatheads. So maybe only the "marked" ones are copies, and the "infected" are just that... infected.
The writings of Winkler on the grunt suggest, that it was changing, maybe even "evolving". Maybe "Grunt" is only the first stage of "assimilation" by the sculptor (when someone succumbs to the infection) and it then changes them into the form it currently needs (into the copies of Hives, Armored and other "marked"). But thats just specualtion on my end.
red lark
Well obviously the bounty targets are clones- I doubt the taxidermist was THAT busy
And given the origin of the meathead- I’d assume that there’s just one. And like you commented on yesterday- armored Samson is direct proof that you’re correct
obsidian owl
Well the spider was made out of reed and his team right? and the butcherer was made by the taxidermist, who was then killed by his own creation. The assassin, however, could possibly be not clones, however it's more than likely that they are
amber harbor
@obsidian owl thats going into the existential question if you are cloned, are you the same person?
bosses work more like respawns
whereas mobs are supposedly mass cloned
obsidian owl
Honestly I don't really like the whole cloning thing
I'd much prefer if they had just said that the disease mutates in certain hosts and that's why we have so many different types of monsters
sinful trout
That was original lore afaik
jagged tide
Well, the copy/clone-thing would make sense with poacher's "mirror theory": The sculpor isnt rly familiar with the concept of "physical bodys", so he just takes and imitates whatever he finds and thinks to be functional.
red lark
Why not like the cloning? It adds a supernatural element and supports the presence of demons and shit. After all- as a hunter you are banishing these creatures
And the name sculptor makes sense- as a sculptor shapes rather than creates
jagged tide
The first try on a Hunt:Showdown community-event (the Order of St Michael) is officially over now, and I would like to have some feedback from you guys.
Did you participate or meet any players participating?
How was your experience with the event? Was it fun?
Do you have ideas how the event could have been improved or what another community-event in the future should do differently?
Write your feedback here:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/8/2520275467407763591/
wise sluice
Hey, what is "the quickening"? It's referenced in the meat head entry
rich swan
The early movements of a fetus inside the womb
Basically the first time a pregnant woman feels the baby kick
noble phoenix
Do we have a list of which legendary characters are alive and kicking?
red lark
Hillbilly
jagged tide
@noble phoenix One of the pinned links. its not very actual though. https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit
noble phoenix
@jagged tide I was looking though that, saw the characters but it didnt include the Legendries and also appeared to havea different hardin from Sherrif hardin so I was still moving through it and looking
jagged tide
The only one I know to be dead is Durant (the Blackcoat).
And there was speculation that Redshirt is undead.
noble phoenix
Okay, I saw that there was a bandit Hardin, and then also Sherif Hardin, are they related or just a coincidence?
jagged tide
Dunno. Maybe Hardin had to change city/states/identities, but never researched that. But the bandit Hardin is said to have died before the Louvent, so Sherif Hardin is pretty certain to be alive still. Chamber's Letters are one of the most recent sources, though they are undated, and he would have mentioned if hardin had died.
noble phoenix
Gotcha, doesnt look like there is anything in there about Brewer which is a shame
One last question for now, who are the twins?
jagged tide
Jos & Fin. The longest and most detailed storyline we have so far. The "Bad as they seem" story is about them.
Should be pinned to this channel as well
amber harbor
Name: Billy Story
Bio: Few who encountered this New Orleans “gentleman" would ever forget him – be it for his strange and extravagant dress, his raucous sense of humor, or the content of his infamous Blue Books.
the new guy looks like will come with some new lore documents
icy locust
He looks like the guy from clockwork orange, I wonder if that has anything to do with it
steel zinc
so as a question, does anyone have a hard set date for when the events take place? to my mind it was meant to be in around mid 1890, but there are many designs that take place after that, such as the crown and king, which is realistically a Browning auto 5 that wasnt developed until 1902, the Avtomat, which is frankly a slightly reskinned Huot Auto-rifle developed in canada that wasnt until 1916, though i'll give artistic liscense and just say it was made up, but the frag grenade, which is quite obviously a copy of the f-1 grenade, was developed in 1916. So unless i missed a bit of lore with a date somewhere, when does the game take place?
burnt storm
1895
snow widget
Yeah the weapons in the game are a bit farther than they should :¨P
steel zinc
okay, neato, thanks for the definite answer, that was bothering me
rotund ferry
Its loosely based
So EVENTS are concurrent with world history but tech is different
Some of the stuff is developed by AHA and shared among hunters for example
Later existing weapons IRL can be achieved earlier in the technological progression in Hunt's Timeline
Its fun sci fi stuff rather than strict history
icy locust
The anachronistic weapons are "prototypes"
jagged tide
Is the ingame time defined as "sometime in 1895" or does it have a more specific date, like for example "early August"?
We still dont have the exact date of Huff Jone's death, do we?
sinful trout
not yet no
noble phoenix
So Hunters with enough magic prowess can actually transform themselves?
Or was Lynch the sculptor?
Reading that story just left me with more questions
red lark
@noble phoenix Who knows if the stories are actually true
obsidian owl
My belief is that the main menu song is just something passed down among the AHA
or is that already confirmed
amber harbor
@noble phoenix Lynch is another supernatural being at odds with the sculptor afaik
she talks about the limits of her human body in a pejorative way
amber harbor
@proper egret yes, the rest of the world is fine
this event is isolated to Louisiana
there have been others, and there will be more, in varying locations
this game explores only louisiana incident, because it is special in some way
proper egret
Ah icic
amber harbor
i think the most europe does in game is send some hunters to cash in the bounty
not to imply a centralised organisation
proper egret
Or maybe like Volunteer Hunters from Europe
amber harbor
they go there bc they heard about the hunt and want to participate bc of personal reasons(greed,bloodlust,etc)
hunters dont really do volunteering in the traditional sense
usually hunters keep to their own country but this one is special so it attracts a lot of eyes
proper egret
As a meme the Hunt sounds like a good place to test weapons
Maybe uh, Gassing the Assassin
jagged tide
Stop it right there. My british mates alrdy noticed my (a German's) love for poison bombs... Dont need that discussion here as well 😉
Other countries & organisations seem to send their Hunters for other reasons then bounty as well. There was the Rittmeister who searched for a Banner, the Sinners, etc.
red lark
I was reading through pages and found one from Russell chambers that talks about collecting hands as bounties- how the severed hands choked his fellow hunters to death while they slept. If this is the case- why does shooting grunts in the head kill them?
jagged tide
The hands were dead for some time or they wouldnt have picked them up. Remember the dissection of the Grunt by Dr Winkler: The dead Grunt suddenly changed and moved. Maybe all the beasts we kill out in the Bayou come back to life after a few hours...
red lark
Excellent response as always, thanks!
steel zinc
given the amount of decay already shown in so many of the creatures, if biology was a condition of survival we wouldnt have nearly as many creatures to deal with
i.e. the meathead that straight up doesnt have a head
gaunt halo
I dont know if this is helpful or has already been covered due to the fact that i just got into the lore but at the top tower of nichols there are these two burned bodies hudling together, posibly some immolator lore here???
warped mason
Simple question that I have failed to find the answer to: Is the Louisiana incident plague contained in louisiana, or has it spread across America/the world
neon bison
Its only really in Louisiana
However it has occasionally popped up earlier in history in other places, just the main difference being it didnt stick around
red lark
Here’s a question- who the hell is putting the bugs in barrels?
I want to read more on THAT guy
One would think there would be a shit load of entomologists walking around in beekeeper suits...
Shocked there is an archaeologist but not an entomologist
amber harbor
maybe the barrels contain smth important to the sculptor like meat and the flies converge on the location
rotund ferry
@red lark I had a few theories
The barrels could be trim (Unused parts of meat, bones and stuff)
Or fresh food that has been molding and infested by the bugs
gaunt halo
i went back and noticed one of them had a rail road spike through there heart, next clue at sation?
red lark
Looks like the right side of their chest, heart is left
And @rotund ferry good thoughts!
glacial portal
Does anyone know if there’s a story behind the corpse trying to get out from under a chained up trapdoor outside of the Cypress Huts, or is that a “Don’t Escape” reference?
glacial portal
Ah, alright.
rotund ferry
Right outside in the shed
You can see the outline of a missing chainsaw
and a doll head in a vice
both references to evil head
evil dead
lol
The doll heads are also found elsewhere
jagged tide
@gaunt halo Interesting, but I have no idea what it could be reffering to.
rotund ferry
@gaunt halo REACHING here but unless it has lore ties--
Could be a reference to French revolutionaries and soldiers
(Incendiary devices explaining burnt corpses)
And railroad bolts were fashioned into knives by the french for a long time
runic dust
Here’s a question- who the hell is putting the bugs in barrels?
@red lark
Same with red and yellow barrel, even if it's a video game meme at that point
Who the hell lay around next to your place explosives stuff ?
red lark
That’s a good point!
restive patrol
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north perch
maybe people who are forming a last defense in their compound trying to fend off the horde
the explosive bits
queen girder
Can I ask why we havent seen something like a water devil swarm as a bounty target
Like just a giant pool of water devils that could split apart into groups it's not like the water devils cant do that yet
And where did the gators go
warm lagoon
this is more of a #feedback-discussion question rather than a lore one
red lark
@queen girder the exodus of gators from Louisiana swamps is mentioned in the lore. They got their butts beat
sinful trout
jesus, hello, ancient one @rotund ferry. enjoy your slumber?
wise sluice
I had a fun question for this channel and I thought we could all do with some more speculation
Who do you guys think is the narrator in this trailer?
She is well versed on the events and the ending introduces a distortion on her voice and words that suggests some kind of otherness
She says "I'll be waiting" which hints at something possibly sinister
As well, they posted the entire script of the video in the description as if they wanted us to analyze it or something
polar fable
@wise sluice as to the narrator it could be Marshall brewer or one of the Twins - you can see them several times throughout the video and they are always together. In my opinion the narrator’s voice sounds a bit too young for brewer so I’d guess it’s either Fin or Jos
wise sluice
Yeah, I was thinking it could be one of the twins as well. Marshall Brewster was a theory that I heard too
red lark
Jos and Fin are from Louisiana. Accent doesn’t match
Lynch
Not too many hunters from the north in the lore- notable ones
primal goblet
What does the innoculum do, exactly?
Lynch implies it protects you from the sculptor’s influence but says it also does something almost as bad.
amber harbor
@primal goblet it does protect you from the sculptors influence, and in order to do it you pay a cost. We dont know what cost yet, but you can see on T3 hunters that their hands blacken, a running theory was that they lose their souls little by little
jagged tide
@primal goblet As the KebabWarrior said. The sculptor's influence seems to manifest in form of the plague that kills people and turns some into grunts. The cost for the immunity granted by the incolum (besides becoming infertile) seems to be some kind of degeneration of the body (or even the soul). Afaik it gets worse everytime a Hunter uses Darksight. Iirc at some point the Hunters get into a stage where they will certainly die from it within a short time and the only thing that can save them at this point is the Wellspring (Quickmatch).
@wise sluice It most cerainly is someone from this "faction": Jos, Fin, Brewer... maybe even Allison. The video is actually quite a nice piece of lore, but it opens more questions then it answers. It seems to be clear that Jos & Fin searched for someone to reunite the AHA, and iirc thats Brewer's agenda as well. In the trials we learn that Brewer tried to just exterminate the undead one by one but then realized that they cant be exhausted - their numbers are without ending. The twins are some of the few Hunters that know about the sculptor and that the Louvent can only be ended by defeating it. So those 3 teaming up makes perfect sense. But here is a weird thing: Why Brewer and not Finch? Finch was Huff-Jones right Hand; Chamber's letters confirm him being alive at the end of summer and him trying to reconcile with the other factions ("not that much bad blood"); Jos & Fin planned to talk to him after Lynch's defeat concerning the future of the AHA. Why dont they support Finch to rebuild the AHA? Or is Finch in their faction as well and Brewer seems to him like the more capable? And the last words spoken about Finch from the Twins are weird as well:
“The work is done.” Fin turned to Jos. "No one left to lead the organization now, is there?"
"Not a soul." Jos replied
“Then I guess it's time we found Finch." They exchanged a smile, shouldered their weapons, and headed
toward town.
What does that mean? No one left, but go to Finch. So Finch IS left AND the obvious choice... isnt he?
"Not a soul." Are they implying Finch has no soul? Very omnious.
primal goblet
So Lynch definitely wasn’t a ‘good guy’ by any stretch, but weren’t they also trying to destroy the sculptor?
wise sluice
Here's the script for the video, so that more people have quick access to it for discussion
"A darkness had found its way into our world. Some called it God's wrath, and they prayed for deliverance. Some called it plague, and they evacuated the towns. Driven by mindless hunger, it was a being able to transform those it touched into gruesome creatures.
But we knew how to find them. We knew how to fight them. How to banish them. Some came seeking glory, others redemption. But soon Hunters turned against Hunters, greedy for gold.
We all carry some of that darkness inside us. We are all so easily corrupted. All it takes is one wrong step. All it takes it one mistake to unleash a living hell. The darkness is spreading, even still. We can turn back this tide of death. Will you join us? I’ll be waiting."
red lark
Most of what we know about lynch is from Hayden, who is likely an unreliable narrator
Hardin mentions hunting with Lynch, so we can assume she wasn’t awful because Hardin is not a diabolical guy by any means
If you believe Hayden’s writing in “as bad as they seem” then lynch collected the innoculum from a literal demon and also transformed into a snake
I feel like Glanton’s diaries give a realistic view of the process of becoming a hunter, as well as Coetzee’s
What we do know is that there are factions of hunters and all of them seem to have different objectives
As far as I’m concerned, we don’t know what Lynch’s objective is/was
Remember your audience- criminals, clinically insane, cultists. None of these hunters are particularly pure and I wouldn’t blame the twins for bringing fear to their opponents any way they could
autumn olive
5 h watch psycho and got nothing I do what should I must do and nothing nice
amber harbor
@autumn olive wrong chat, but twitch drops are bugged rn. see #general-announcements fo rmore info
rotund ferry
Hey i dont know much about the lore of the game, but im super interested in it, would anyone dm me for a rough overview/intro? Itd be very much appreciated.
glossy falcon
@rotund ferry check the Pinned messages 🙂 there's tons of info in there & a beginners guide
rotund ferry
Awesome thanks
rotund ferry
why can the legendary hunters banish enemies in trials but we just kill them
amber harbor
That is a good question
rotund ferry
because banishing is sending them back to hell so when we kill them is there something else we do to them?
amber harbor
there was a theory here earlier about monsters rising up again after dying to traditional means, that might be worth smth
so they would just be incapacitated when we kill them and then rise again when the match ends
rotund ferry
so then what would be the point of banishing butcher and spider because they just come back
amber harbor
arent these bosses special cases though? hunters seemed pretty shook that they come back also
rotund ferry
but they keep coming back though
so which leads me to my point
why do we only banish bosses
because
why wouldnt u want to send all the enemies to hell
vs just incapacitating them for a short while
amber harbor
only bosses drop bounties afaik
rotund ferry
im just saying those hunters could banish uncommon enemies back to hell
and why dont they do that now
amber harbor
the trials seem to have a certain vendetta against the banished mob
the legendary hunters i mean
they only do it for personal reasons
rotund ferry
so then if thats the case per say
amber harbor
hunters go for the boss because they can cash out the bounty that remains after
rotund ferry
then can any hunter banish any mobs/ if not how did the legendary hunters learn how to banish mobs
amber harbor
this is heavy theory teritory
amber harbor
we only know that at least the legendary hunters can do that
rotund ferry
and what we were discussing is useless lmao
amber harbor
banishing might require hate
amber harbor
or it just isnt worth the effort to banish every grunt you see in the bayou if you only want to be paid for bounties
rotund ferry
then that leads into the territory if that is true
how did they learn to banish mobs if hunters can do it
amber harbor
wdym?
rotund ferry
im saying
even though we really cant come to the conclusion of if certain hunters can only banish this or there are a certain requirement to banish
im wondering how they learned how to banish
in the first place
amber harbor
in the initiation ritual i suppose
every hunter who uses dark sight seems to be able to banish too
rotund ferry
I wonder why we dont banish the dead bodys of other hunters
amber harbor
its either a short ds course for newbies or you just get how to do it instantly
rotund ferry
nevermind
amber harbor
maybe the act of banishing is taking a part of the initiators soul
rotund ferry
that would explain why we are condemned souls
amber harbor
so it wouldnt be worth it to loose half your soul before you reach the first clue
that and also t3 hunters have blacked out hands
rotund ferry
use the ability to gain wealth and fortune
amber harbor
like a disease
amber harbor
or the banishment might function as a 'confirm kill', like a traditional dog tag
rotund ferry
but then why wouldnt hunters just banish higher end mobs
amber harbor
yeah, hoping for more clarification about the trials
rotund ferry
and be like ive killed this many
in comparison to your kills
because it is a bounty market so it is an area
but you're right
but then if it is a dog tag
then what do we grab
when we banish it
cause their soul is sent to hell
rotund ferry
I mean in reality thats all we can do
I mean yea I agree its 90% not a physical thing
and has anyone checked trials for lore
or secret lore bits somewhere
kebab is there a word document im missing on trials?
or anything
red lark
So if you read the pages from Coetzee, you’ll see him discuss seeing his friend who became an armored multiple times
The discussion here has made me come to the conclusion that the mobs are copies. Some of the more well-informed individuals suggested that the sculptor doesn’t even create these things, he just uses them.
Which would make sense, as we know the origins of most of the creatures. Take the immolator for example- I highly doubt hundreds of people became immolators since the process seems to be related to religious chanting and intense stress..
Now as far as banishing- we should question the effectiveness of banishing, seeing as the bounty monsters come back every time!
And this isn’t just a game mechanic- if you read writings in various journals you’ll see hunters talk about “the first time I killed the spider” etc.
primal goblet
In the same sense hives are clones, why can’t boss monsters be clones?
red lark
@primal goblet most likely are, as the origins of each monster are very specific
Spider was from a specific mass grave, butcher from the taxidermist, assassin from Harold black’s friendo
And I’ve said this before- a sculptor doesn’t really create, they just shape
I believe all of these creatures were created from independent instances and an evil force is forcing them to unite to do their bidding
primal goblet
Well, then it wouldn’t be a question of the efficacy of the banishing at all. If it weren’t effective there would be two bosses now, not one. One that you banished and then the next the sculptor made because you banished the first.
Though I suppose theres no saying there aren’t two at any given time.
red lark
Yeah, who knows
primal goblet
It’s mentioned every ai has a specific purpose, most of them as vectors for the sculptor’s influence I imagine. I can’t think of what the butcher’s is.
Grunts are suggested to be accidents caused by the proximity of the sculptor as opposed to being his creations iirc. Immolators spread the sculptor’s influence on ash. Hives spread it through bugs. Armored defend rifts. Meatheads and the butcher are more ambiguous
rotund ferry
I mean if they come back after banishing
whats the point of banishing them
why not just kill them
and leave it there
amber harbor
meatheads are the babies of hunters
amber harbor
as for the other stuff, bosses come back because of the sculptor. There can only be 1 boss at a time
banishing it only sends it to the sculptors realm
and hunters banish so they can get the bounties
bounties are a certain body part of the bosses
and so they need to banish in order to take them, and then they cash it out with the aha
amber harbor
i misspoke
1 copy of each boss can be out in the world
so there can be butcher + spider, but never 2 spiders
rotund ferry
mmmmmm
if that occurs a triple/quadra bounty map when new boss comes out
would be cool
so then why can the sculptor create aton of immolators
per say
red lark
Who knows
Immolators have no insect features
So I don’t like going on the assumption that the sculptor planned all of it
forest condor
There is a (confirmed?) Theory that there are multiple entities with the sculptor being the main one
amber harbor
it was confirmed that there are more entities at play
idk if like the sculptor or that includes the bad as they seem saga with lynch and the snake
primal goblet
What is in Billy Story's blue books?
red lark
I don’t think the events of bad as they seem are true
polar fable
@primal goblet he’s based on a real person who wrote a book called (surprise) blue book, this was basically a guide to New Orleans’ brothels
split dawn
How come there’s a random cluster of letters in the grunts section of the monstrorvm
red lark
@split dawn code, someone has deciphered
rotund ferry
Can someone explain how the hunters get annitiated as hunters? Is there some sort of ritual or are they just random bountyhunters who say "ok now i want to kill some monsters"?
There is a ceremony of varying sorts then an injection of a serum
amber harbor
Beside the sculptors influence being transmitted by ash and the ability to banish regular mobs, there's nothing that i can see
primal goblet
Just little tidbits on various legendary hunters, I guess.
rotund ferry
The divination via hive corpses in the Bone Doctor’s challenge was interesting
thick turtle
is there some sort of order to read the monstrorvm properly ?
craggy laurel
from left to right
thick turtle
thx
i expected everything to be linked but they are actually all readable on their own
split dawn
Can someone send a link to the grunt code?
jagged tide
I feel like theres some lore in trials
@rotund ferry I wondered about one thing: At the Hunt-Trading card "a shrine of mist" we got the comment: "I was too late. There was no trace of Dr. Winkler or Father Nico." It was thought, that the person who says these words is the "William" whom Dr Winkler signaled for help, but the Trials seem to suggest, that it was Ishim Grid. In one of Chambers letters we hear that Grids Fanatics burned down an alrdy burned down church a second time. That sounds like the chapel. Maybe Ishim Gird found something there on his trial. Something he wanted to be sure to be destroyed, burned. Another interesting thing is, that in Grids trial you hunt Immolaters. Maybe the Grunt, Winkler dissected, turned into an Immolater and burned down the chapel with Winkler and Nico in it (which would go well with the theory, that Grunts are just infected humans and are used as raw-material for more advanced servants of the sculptor).
Another point would be, that the Marshall first tried to kill the undead one by one, but then understood, that this is futil (different then others, she is not after money, but really wants to cleanse the Bayou). So what would be the next step for her after realizing, killing these things isnt enough? Ofc finding the root - the culptor. Thats why we see her together with the twins in the vid "there came a darkness": Those 2 know about the sculptor from Lynch.
craggy laurel
whats the deal with the whole sculptor thing is it confirmed or just speculation
rotund ferry
its confirmed in some of the recent lore, its called upon by name
craggy laurel
oh swag
hallow nymph
Is there a reason that the Storied Past has Billy Struve written on the left side and Billy Strove written on the right?
hollow hinge
Aliases?
untold rivet
This game take place after the civil war right
west sinew
Yeah, 1895 to be exact
magic aurora
where can you go to read the lore
wooden cloud
@magic aurora Psychoghost on yt has excellent lore videos, other than that you unlock them in game
hazy arch
just read the lore for the Hive... and all I can say is Jesus. That thing they took out of the daughter's uterus... She was well on the way to becoming a Hive too wasn't she? Just not as well along as her mother ended up being...
amber harbor
@magic aurora also check pinned messages
jagged tide
Here is another thought on the lore revealed in the trials: We learn that Trevors kinda controlled the Slaugtherhouse for his buisness when the plague started to spread and in his trial we kill Meatheads. D'aunoy was hiding in the Slaughterhouse when he found the body of a meathead, out of which he made the Butcher. So this Meathead was prbly killed by Trevors. Speculating wildly some more: Trevors seems to be quite the evil & scheming person as we learn from Nadia Orville... so maybe (just maybe) he and his "buisness" in the Slaughterouse might be related to the creation of the butcher and D'aunoy's death (maybe he came back there after D'aunoy gave the butcher it's final form, but beofre his death)...
rotund ferry
i didnt even know there is a lore
jagged tide
Most players dont.
pearl zinc
The Lore is pretty neat tho
sterile parrot
Just starting to sift through the lore on my own and wanted to know y'all's input: Is there anything to credit or disprove that Gus The Phantom Leroux is the initiate who lost his arm in the Martini Riposte entry?
jagged tide
@sterile parrot I am pretty sure he is not. The boy's name is "Bill", not "Gus" and he is a local fisherman's son (with a Bisayan/Malayan background). He lost his arm to a Grunt, so it happened during the Louvent - not enough time to become a lawyer like Gus is according to his bio.
true niche
Is there a youtube channel where one can catch up on Hunt's lore? Started playing over the weekend and trying to get my friends to join me, one of them asked about the lore and i all was able to say was "zombies in swamps?"
echo bison
Psychoghost gaming has a few videos where he reads the lore for certain zombies which give also some background on the overall lore. For all of it you have either the book of weapons/monsters where you can unlock it or see it all here: https://huntshowdown.gamepedia.com/Lore
jagged tide
Check the pinned messages in this channel for most lore informations.
wintry panther
@true niche if you check pinned there is a beginners guide to lore I wrote on reddit and the link is provided there
That’s a good place to start and all the PDFs have more extensive documentation
jagged tide
@wintry panther You write in the beginners guide that Hunters have been send into the Bayou since the 1600s. What was your source for this? I am trying to put together a timeline for the Louvent, but am missing alot of infos for it.
wintry panther
So there have been multiple instances of hunters gathering around the world because of similar incidents.... from all different time periods. so Louisiana is one case study and a turning point into terms of the larger picture (the devs mentioned this in the first QNA). I would have to search through the documents but I believe 1600s because the American Hunter Association began around that time..... I think it was in one of the documents on the website
true niche
Thanks, will check it out
jagged tide
@wintry panther Was just wondering about the date, since I am searching for numbers for the timeline. Gotta check the documents then, thx.
amber harbor
wasnt the aha supposed to have existed since a long time ago under many forms and names?
i got the impression this was a case of a profession old as the human race kind of thing
echo bison
At least I read somewhere that they've been around for hundreds of years
jagged tide
Y, but if the Louvent started alrdy in the 1600s or even before, and only escalated in 1895 that would be an interesting information as well.
maiden karma
quick question, but are there any good youtubers who explore the lore of this game?
amber harbor
@maiden karma not really. Psychoghost did a series where he read the entire monstrorvm, but in terms of extra lore I know none
you can check out pinned comments for some more lore info and the timeline above
amber harbor
But in the ultimate tragic irony, their efforts turn out to be feeding the corruption, and the more they fight, the more monsters will come.
@junior pecan seems like the mirror theory just got confirmed
jagged tide
@amber harbor Where is that quote from?
amber harbor
the new contest in #general-announcements
jagged tide
thx
jagged tide
@junior pecan seems like the mirror theory just got confirmed
@amber harbor I wouldnt go that far, but its pointing into the direction and definetly is some interesting new information. It s also talking about the corruption in New Orleans... so did the plague spread to the big city?
amber harbor
new map??
jagged tide
Well... We dont talk about leaks... but I dont think that idea might be totally off...
I was recently wondering about the Hunt-Cards... Do we know all the places shown? They should all be in Stillwater Bayou, right? "A Shrine of Mists" is Chapel; "Drowned Maid" is Scupper Lake; "Peaceful slumber" is Blanchett Graves (even so the Crypt is not to accesable)... I am at a loss with the others... Especially "Roots of Darkness" seems very interesting... is this underground of Stillwater Bend? "The second cycle" looks similar to Chapel as well, but there is no door at the wall...
jagged tide
Maybe "Peaceful slumber" is one of the other churches... the design on the cards seems to differ quite alot from the actual places on the maps. "Bone Decoration" is Crematorium...
valid dove
New Orleans would make sense, especially with Billy Story
The Blue Books are about the prostitution houses in New Orleans
split dawn
So what is the plague and how does it start?
jagged tide
Good question 😄 Seriously: We dont know even that. We only know that people first thought of it as a "flue", called it "the coughs", then later, when bodys piled in the streets they called it a "plague". The Plague seems to kill people, then turn them into undead (Grunts). We know that it is caused by outerworldly beings that came through portals in the area south(?) of New Orleans (Stillwater Bayou and Lawson Delta) - or maybe by the portals themselves. We dont know if it's conatgious, but it seems not to be, but instead being caused by being in the area unprotected for too long (the only protection seems to be the Initiation-ritual of the AHA and similar groups, which includes the injection of "demon"-blood - which has serious & potential deadly side-effects). Some people seem to be immune, or at least resistant against it though (like the Redneck).
tribal rock
injection of demon blood??
jagged tide
yes. Thats how the hunters get the dark sight. And that is the reason why T3-Hunters dont look very healthy. Its also the lore behind Quickmatch: The serum is killing these hunters and getting the energy from the Wellspring is the only healing for them. The origin of the serum is written in the Pax-entries in the book of weapons, describing how Lynch caught a demon/loa/however-you-wanna-call-it to harvest the serum from it.
rotund ferry
Lynch skin when
jagged tide
@rotund ferry Dunno if that would make sense, since Lynch has some supernatural powers. Just being a normal Hunter wouldnt fit her imho. Personaly (even so we dont agree on this here) I doubt she (it) is even human.
tribal rock
isn't hive's daughter a hunter
jagged tide
yes
tribal rock
i wonder how a skin of her would work since she has one arm
jagged tide
Ada
tribal rock
im like just reading all the lore now
rotund ferry
I was mostly kidding about a lynch skin lol
jagged tide
Yeah... Because of Ada I though negative-traits might be a nice idea. One-armed, one-eyed, etc. Therefor granting Trait-points. Many Pen&paper RPGs do it that way.
tribal rock
that would be interesting
jagged tide
Well, Lynch almost has a full loadout with 2 weapons and 1 tool. Only other one with that much items is Huff
jagged tide
Huff-Jones
Superintendant of the Jackson Asylum and head of the AHA
killed during the Louvent
tribal rock
ah
rotund ferry
Having lore-cohesive legendary kits with hunters and their signature weapons would be pretty interesting
tribal rock
the assassin was a criminal right
jagged tide
Again: We dont really know. We know his name (or at least his alias): Vincent Corsica. It seems he wasnt just a criminal, but fanfares an assassin. But he alrdy showed some supernatural abilitys before, so he probably never was a normal human to begin with. Maybe his form in the Bayou is his real form, and Vincent Corsica just a disguise. You will find all information on him in the Assassin entries in the book of monsters.
@rotund ferry Many legendaries alrdy have at least one weapon (Nadia Orville even has 2, but since both are large slot you cant equip both). The Blackcoat is alrdy dead as well, so it would be fine to give Huff Jones a legendary Hunter (thoug a WinieC & a Dolch would be a weird combo...)
So, Zombie-boy is officially announced as DLC now. "The Revenant". This will be some new & interesting lore
tribal rock
gambling themes
rotund ferry
I did not participate in the stream drops due to work, but where does billy story fit into the lore?
jagged tide
Hes based on a real world person like Dr John. A pimp that lived in New Orleans. His blue-book was a guide to the local brothels. So just a tough guy earning some money hunting Zombies I guess.
rotund ferry
valid dove
Can you link me to where I can find the information on the serum the hunters take? I hear about it but I cant find it on the wiki
jagged tide
Some of it is in the Pax-entries. It is also mentioned in the meathead-entries as being modified to make Hunters unfertil. I cant remember were the lore introduction to Quickmatch was, prbly somewhere amongst the news - but it was in the pinned messages of this channel.
Glanton's story (Romero entries) also mentions a self-made serum from the nameless man. There were theories, that you can use the blood of an initiated hunter as well - instead of the pure demon-blood.
Btw: Did they change the lore on the Bornheim-match? Were there always 2 conflicting wittness-reports on Huffs death? With the nurse's report strengthening Hayden's story, the doctor is prbly Finch, making up a fake story to conceal the real circumstances of Huff's death.
split dawn
How come hunters sometimes work in groups if a bunch of them can’t be trusted?
rotund ferry
the enemy of my enemy.....
daring goblet
@split dawn maybe they are divided by gangs or factions
But i hate faction trop i getting boring
but it will be a great idea
split dawn
So how do you think the gangs would work
daring goblet
I don't know
Maybe you could build a hunter hideout and store guns and items
But I don't even know if that is even possible
I know you can do that on the lobby. but like you could donate a gun for somebody to pick.
Sorry for my bad english
hushed reef
Am I correct that there's no silver bullet/holy water/rock salt kind of trick to killing monsters in the Hunt universe? If so, I kinda like that.
jagged tide
There are definetly factions. First there are the people surrounding the twins: Jos & Fin themselves, Allison, Marshall Brewer, mby Finch; then there are the people surrounding Harold Black, mby Coetzee amongst them; the group of Sheriff Hardin, including Russel Chambers; The Voodoo-Cult of the Bone-Doctor, with the Weird-Sister, Felis, mby Laveau; the doomsday cult "Night of the Hunter" with Night Seer, Night Acolyte, and Bill; Trevors faction; and the bible-group of the reverend Gird, prbly including the Revenant. There are also many smaller gangs and teams and alot of people running around hunting alone (like Victor Caldwell, sniping anyone he encounters). The AHA kinda broke apart when Huff died (even so some groups were at each others throats even before - the reverend being on bad terms with Voodoo or the Night of the hunter is kinda obvious). Overall its more like criminal gangs irl: the strength that lies in number makes even psychopaths team up - another pair of eyes is very usefull in the Bayou.
@hushed reef There are some rituals etc, but so far the Hunters only have access to the dark-sight and the banishing as magic abilitys. In the Pax entries it describes how Lynch was able to summon and catch a "demon" with salt-circles and a Lasso made out of human skin. Fin was able to "initiate" in magic by gathering certain ingrediants and summoning a giant snake in the Bayou.
amber harbor
the conflicting testimonies about Huffs death have been a thing from the start
bad as they seem said he was stabbed
but thats the most unreliable of them all imo
also a Huff legendary would only work if he broke his promise to not go out in the field that he made to his father
jagged tide
Ah! ok. Weird... didnt remember it that way. Well, the nurse said 2 women were with him beofre he died and she didnt hear a shot, so this works nice with the story of Hayden (Lynch & Nelly being with Huff when Lynch cut his throat), while the only one hearing a shot AND finding the weapon was the anonymous doctor (and Finch is a doctor at the jackson asylum)... might make sense, that he would try to cover up the whole thing so not too much info leaks to the public.
Afaik Huff was ignoring his fathers advice. Dosent the Bedlam Lullaby's lore text say he was fighting the undead? In one letter he also describes how the Grunts attacked him as a pack (iirc chain-pistol-entry) - so he was in the field at least.
daring wraith
Was the bomblance real
rotund ferry
I doubt it, but I want one anyways.
plain coral
Not the actual bomb lance but there were different harpoon launchers that fired explosive harpoons.
red lark
My friend suggested that perhaps the revenant character will he huff. That would be cool but I doubt it
red lark
And I don’t trust a word Hayden Collins says
candid shoal
Woah, I'm just getting into the lore really (I read a Reddit post describing it in summary) and this stuff is amazing. I especially like the demon-blood thing with the Hunters
jagged tide
I still think Hayden is the most accurate source 😜 Maybe... but the revenant has a shot in the chest, not a slit throat (oh... Hayden discussion again 🙂 ). Somebody said it might be Redshirt, cause on his target there is a shot-mark at the same place as on the revenants chest - but it kinda would be weird to give the same person 2 skins. With the new lore in the trials it seems like the reverend was the first at the chapel after Winklers experiment, and the revenant is shown with him... so maybe its "William", the guy who was supposed to get Winkler & Nico out - but never showed up. Or it might even be Winkler (even so that would contradict the card, since it says there was no trace of them)...
amber harbor
What about Salter? He was going in and out of consciousness in his 'grunt' form
jagged tide
That would be amazing! Salter was definetly one of the more interesting characters, and him returning this way would be cool. Seeking redemption for the horrible things he did in his madness...
But Salter was shot in the head, not the chest.
rotund ferry
What happened to the guy that created the butcher?
jagged tide
Dead. Mutilated corpse was found on the road between still-water-bayou and New Orleans (could only be identified by his glass-eye). Probably the Butcher's first victim. Butcher entries in the book of monsters.
rotund ferry
Ah :o I'm not too kept up with the lore. I keep telling myself I'll read the book sometime, but I never do.
primal goblet
So every monster has some purpose. Most of them it’s spreading the sculptor’s influence. What would the butcher’s be?
red lark
@jagged tide if we trust Hayden’s stories then lynch turned into a giant snake and the twins went through some supernatural hell. There’s no telling where Hayden got these stories from and therefore it’d be a long stretch to call him reliable.
@primal goblet I don’t know, doesn’t really comment on it unfortunately. We know its origins so it’s safe to assume that the sculptor adopted it rather than augmented it like it did the spider