Yes they've been discussed before
#lore-discussion
sick cove
late tinsel
Tyvm
lucid night
THANK YOU ALL CRYTEK DEVELOPERS İ GOT BETTER FPS NOW WİTH THİS PATCH
sick cove
Wait does this mean that michael jordan is part of the lore now?
Michael Jordan is canon 😮
Confirmed by Varoon
rotund ferry
the AHA are just really big fans of the van helsing mythos, change my mind.
late tinsel
Who’s to say vampires aren’t something European Hunters haven’t had to deal with?
rotund ferry
ngl, would be cool to see vampire like monsters in the game.
late tinsel
I think the eventual intention is to introduce hunts in other locals, but I can’t speak for the devs. I know the “Golden Age” was suppose to have maps from lots of different places. I’d really like to see maps from other continents and see unique Events with their own monsters and expansion on different Hunter Associations like the Sinners. We know there are several out there, but they’re very loosely affiliated- if at all.
rotund ferry
could possibly have different hunter models for different continents because the ones we have now are really specific to the deep south of the gilded age.
late tinsel
Well, their planned diversification of hunters would play well to the idea Hunters from different associations would sign up to hunt where the money is good (or insert other ambiguous reason). It would justify American hunters traveling out of the country, as well as folks from abroad taking up bounties in Louisiana.
Right now, the story of the Louisiana event is packed with enough lore and story to keep my attention entirely focused on this particular event. I can only hope other hunts, if they happen, are as expertly backstoried and littered with wonderful surprises.
rotund ferry
yeah, personally i really love the setting and atmosphere the game's lore has right now.
late tinsel
Oh, I’m a huge fan of the dark west vibe and the Lovecraftian tones it carries. I’d like to see that feel translated to other locations and new twists on folklore from other cultures.
rotund ferry
yeeeee, maybe some native American creatures as well.
late tinsel
Ayyy skinwalkers
The devs have said multiple events can happen at a time all over the world. I’m not holding my breath atm, but I wouldn’t be surprised if our Hunters head out of the USA for a hunt in the future.
sinful trout
@rotund ferry @late tinsel
I had the opportunity to speak with a lore Dev privately a while ago. He said while they wanted to pursue other options. This game is about the Louisiana incident. HOWEVER there is more lore coming for many other places because they want to expand it and show that it's not just America dealing with these incidents. For example. A lot more lore coming on the Harami and Sinan
urban burrow
I wouldnt mind staying in America but would be cool to see an event in a different state
maybe somewhere close that could have more chance of snow so we can get that map
But yeah lore is worldwide
sinful trout
as for vampires, i got the oppoertunity to speak with a lore dev privately one on one
when i explain this i need y'all to read every fucking word.
he said to me
what i call a vampire, you call a mosquito.
let me explain. what you call dracula is a humanoid that sucks blood and can fly away, yes?
my version is 66% truthful with your version
they both drink blood
they both fly
not exactly right but still, not wrong
and he had a great point. what makes hunts lore so much different and harder to pull apart is that its based on peoples perspectives. and people can be unreliable... and not just because they could be lying but because things can get lost in translation.
let me explain. believe it or not there is a culture that actually considers mosquitos as vampires.
and in african cultures vampires are these less than humanoid creatures that hang from trees because they have hooks for feet and they kill and eat passerbys.
neither of these relate to dracula or what this game as a western hunters civilization would even consider a vampire. so if there were to be a vampire boss. its likely the hunt didnt go nearly like that. because more than likely a hunter who has a different thought on vampires as we do would arrive at the bounty, and when theyd recall the events later to people hed tell them "IT WAS A VAMPIRE" and all the westerners would immediately turn to "dracula like thing" when the reality is much more different. so in this situation how would we ever know what we ended up fighting its what that man saw as a vampire.
and not even on the loss of translation they could get back and their brain could be completely fried by what theyve seen and they just start spewing out crazy big exaggerations like (swords for teeth and a cloak of shadows for skin, the being approached me with fiery eyes that you could see into hell with, as i fought it it got stronger and stronger. the being absorbed everything it could with its ghastly structure the crimson stain in the air seemed to draw from my soul like a river with too many battles seen"
with that thought above, you really dont get a good description of what im talking about. but what if i told you thats what i saw to be a humanoid vampire but my body is in so much shock i couldnt see the details.
and thats whats crazy about this lore is that we would never know for certain what we fought. we would just know that was how the story came accross.
sorry for the essay
late tinsel
I actually like essays, so it’s all good @sinful trout lol. Actually, the mosquito/vampire example is along the lines of what I meant when I hoped they’d put their own twists on folklore. I had family spend a lot of time in Africa and I’ve actually heard that story! It’s cool to hear someone else knows it tbh. Either way, I do hope we visit other Events in a later expansion or other Hunt games!
tepid turret
this game is dead
it took me max time to match and got killed by a 4prestige man idk why I even play this game anymore
random lava
@tepid turret sorry to hear that but let's try and post it in the right channels
sinful trout
Oh my God so many people who don't know the difference between story and lore.
So much ignorance
late tinsel
Please post complaints in the story channel. This one only covers lore. 🦆
tepid turret
@sinful trout there is no story channel bud
I understand moderator
this is my last message
here
regarding this issue
random lava
Let's all just drop it and get back on topic. It's been handled so no reason to go on about it 😄
sinful trout
I was spooked
forest condor
So I don't'nt
forest condor
i guess, it's just sad that we don't have any new stuff
late tinsel
Ye, it’s been quiet. I don’t even have any speculation to drone on about atm.
restive hollow
I absolutely love the atmosphere and universe this takes place in but where do you guys find the pages you use to theories about lore?
I know one of them was the news article
but is there anywhere else to get lore?
forest condor
First, the pined message have some info for you, next go to the official huntshowdown website and go to the story section, that's where a lot of lore is
After that we just dig up lore from gameplay and videos
There's the link for story
restive hollow
thank you
sinful trout
@restive hollow dont listen to him. Ask ME for clarification because arpy smells funny
forest condor
welcome to var'uun, lore guy extrodinare, he may look spooky with his weird cowboy hat and droopy posture but remember, he has knowledge too
sinful trout
Finally someone who gets my persona for hunt
Just a ragged beaten to shit hunter thats sick of life
forest condor
you'd go to the wellspring just so you don't have to move any more to die
you'd just sit there looking at a pocket watch
shrewd socket
Guys...
is it known if religions exist in hunt showdown? is there a god in which hunters believe? someone in whose name bosses are banished?
sinful trout
Religions do exist. But banishing and performing hunts are considered sinful. So its not bbanishing in the name of Jesus or Mohammed
slim hatch
Religions exist but hunters can barely be called religious
A lot of stuff is tied to Haitian Creole and Voodoo
Existence of god as such is also subjective
All powers in Huntverse are dark magic
Yes dark sight is magic
sinful trout
A lot of the aha is christian by what we see from hunters although we know phillip is not christian. Most hunters believe that they are sinning and because of that they are going to their religious belief in hell
slim hatch
We have no real indication on that
Referencing god can be a manner of speech
Same way as me saying Oh my god is just an expression
sinful trout
We can see a lot of tbis fron haywards letter in general, . He's in hell now. God bless his soul.
slim hatch
1895 god was often mentioned in expressions without requiring actual religious belief
Yeah and that is very loose pointer to go off from
sinful trout
A strange name for one so faithful. He explained, and I understood. They knew they were all damned.
++
When you know you're going to hell, you're free. No conscience, no hesitation. You kill without fear of damnation.
slim hatch
All hunters are destined to hell but here is the catch
They refer Sculptor’s dimension as hell
But there is no indication of it being classical definition of hell
sinful trout
And most of the population in 1895 was christian from being based from christian colonists
slim hatch
True but how much faith would be in person who has to damn himself to protect others from what is referred to as hell?
sinful trout
Isnt it the same with most civil servants who put themselves in danger to protect others?
slim hatch
If there is hell there must be heaven yet no divine intervention is present thus they embrace the ‘hell’ damning themselves
No
All ‘civil servants’ inherently believe they will be rewarded in the end
sinful trout
Also dont forget qna when we asked if its religious hell or sculptors hell
slim hatch
In case of religious folk they think they will be granted heaven for their service
Hunters know they are going straight down
sinful trout
I cant tell if youre agreeing or not
slim hatch
They do it not for divine reasons but for selfish humane reasons
slim hatch
I’m disagreeing they might acknowledge supernatural entities
But they can’t be called religious
As they violate all religious tenants and
Meddle with darkness to save the living
sinful trout
They acknowledge hell as a religious thought. Therefore to have a hell there is a heaven and therefore they are religous
slim hatch
It’s referred to as hell but it can’t be called biblical definition of hell
Hellehim is also hell but not biblical definition
sinful trout
If anyone considers hell to be real. They are religious. Because they believe in a higher power that directs them to hell. Im not talking about biblical because we know sinan wasnt christian
slim hatch
So a Scandinavian might refer to it as Hellheim
sinful trout
Im saying most aha hunters are Christians
slim hatch
Too narrow thinking
We have no indication of it
An expression common for time period isn’t confirmation
sinful trout
Almost every letter from aha references a hugher power or biblical hell. Sinan is muslim, and we know abdulaziz himself is religious
slim hatch
Folk in medieval time referred to things they didn’t understand as magic, sorcery or devil’s work
slim hatch
My point is we have no indication of demographic belief system
Religion implies tenants that have to be adhered
sinful trout
Thats mainly becauee medeval time most people believed in god
slim hatch
Core element of religion are tenants, superior beings and rituals
sinful trout
And thats mainly becauee of crusades
sinful trout
Crusaders in the name of god still raped people and murdered women and children. Did it apply to their faith? No
slim hatch
And their rituals are at best to each their own
sinful trout
They did something called pre confession instead
slim hatch
Crusaders were told their sins will be absolved as they fulfill lord’s wish
Hunters know there is no way back
sinful trout
Thaf allowed them to do horrible things and be forgiven in advance
They still acknowledge hell
slim hatch
They refer to it as hell
sinful trout
Wait.
You dont honedtly believe that they think they go to the sculptor dimension when they die rightM
slim hatch
I consider it a possibility but I don’t stand by it due to lack of data
sinful trout
Weather they believe the sculptor dimension is their biblical hell or not. Its still what they call a biblical hell that theyre afraid of going to when they die
slim hatch
They aren’t
slim hatch
They know they will go there sooner or later
No
We can’t claim it
We don’t know
Not enough data
sinful trout
Theres enough of it in the letters.
slim hatch
Common form of speech in 1895
sinful trout
Mm not really
slim hatch
Yes really
Look at documents written in 1895 esp gov court
They refer religion while some being written by atheists
“Before god” bla bla bla
Just because i say “oh my god”, “jesus christ” or “I’m in hell” doesn’t mean I’m religious
Thats why i say we don’t have data to confirm belief systems of hunters
As common form of speech for time period means nothing
If we have indication of religious rituals by hunters enmasse yes, until that “We don’t know”
urban burrow
Well in the 1800's over 3/4ths of the population believed in one form of heaven and hell or another. a bit under half the worlds population was either Christian or Muslim. I would say its a good bet that the majority were religious in some way or another
Rough statistics was all i could find but seem pretty accurate
(Taken from multiple census reports and other written sources)
Interesting little tid bit in 1850 The united states had 23,191,875 people, including 3,204,313 slaves
And this other realm was called hell by alot of aha members, and so then wouldnt Dark sight be a religious ritual of some sort?
Same with wellspring if these are realms considered hell and such wouldn't the cleansing of ones inflictions via wellspring also be a religious ritual?
(Possibly one coming from the "heaven" realm?)
sinful trout
I doubt itd be a religious ritual
urban burrow
Well if it was a ritual that tapped you into what you called hell what else would it be?
"satanic" rituals are still religious
Just speculation on that part for sure though
But i think being able to assume the majority of aha members were religious based on the world population and their texts is extremely valid
late tinsel
Here’s the thing- Wether or not hunters have a religion is largely moot. What they do seem to recognize is that hell in some form or shape exists. Wether that’s the name for wherever the Sculptor is from or if they believe it’s actually hell or both, I can’t say- even the lore answers said “both”. The acknowledgment of hell in any form implies the belief in the supernatural and I find it hard to believe hunters, who scratch the crosses in their desk, don’t recognize the wicked things they do to damn themselves and be saviors for humanity at the same time. Are they altruistic? No, but they recognize what they’re doing. I don’t believe religion matters, because these guys are doing things for their own personal reasons, but it’s impossible to ignore the Christian references, the biblical reference to casting out demons, the crosses, and Christian jargon- and still believe that these guys deny all existence of God.
Even faithful people do wicked things for their own good reasons.
That’s not to say all hunters are religious. But religion and faith are key elements in the perspectives of these guys. Whatever they’re doing to get a Hunter initiated is demonic in its very nature and they recognize it as such.
urban burrow
Also even faithful people do wicked things if they feel they are right
urban burrow
lol i agree with you religion really doesn't make a difference. Other then mentality of people....Though i would still say with the earths population at that time its a good chance the majority of members at one time were religious lol
It is early also so my comprehension skills aren't at their finest lol
late tinsel
You’re right, and I believe the elements of Christian philosophy we see in the text is influenced by that. Wether or not they believe or if the Sculptor is actually from hell, their understanding of the faith they grew up exposed to is how they rationalize what’s going down.
Backing up to something Var said, I have to agree Dr. Jones doesn’t necessarily strike me as a devout Christian, but he does quote biblical scripture at his desk. This either means he studied scripture or was raised with it. If the AHA was a primarily Christian organization, they would not conduct the rituals they were performing, and having an atheist or otherwise as a leader would be internally scandalous. I doubt Dr. Jones is without faith, but he’s certainly a product of the scientific enlightenment occurring in this period of history.
burnt orchid
The qp article mentions religious chapters
- we know About the sinners
And while a nitpick
Crusaders werent told their sins would be forgiven
Crusaders were military pilgrimages
So the same rules apply
I hold the belief that hunters think they will go to hell less because of demonic forces and more about the fucked up shit they do
sinful trout
@late tinsel i was the one who said phillip wasnt religious
late tinsel
^ noted. Thank you for the correction.
urban burrow
Well crusaders were told there sins would be forgiven because they were told it was a holy war. The speeches by Pope Urban II called all christians in Europe to war at the end stating Deus Vult Or God wills it. So it was sorta implied
sinful trout
Yeah they did a pre confession thing to allow them to be forgien for their sins in advance pretty much
urban burrow
GO RAPE AND PILLAGE ITS ALL FOR GOD!
late tinsel
DEUS VULT
sinful trout
YEET
late tinsel
Actually, in A Communique For All Hunters, I found an interesting line upon rereading it. Here are the words from Dr. Jones himself:
”Though I use this religious terminology here, I must admit: we do not know if these Hunters have been lost to us because of the damning curse of an angry God, or because of the influence of the very demons we hunt. You will be familiar with the existence of our religious affiliated chapters, but—and please forgive the dark nature of my thoughts on this matter—the things we have encountered in the Louisiana chapter have led many of us to believe that the former, if He ever existed at all, has abandoned us to fight this battle alone.”
Not only does this confirm there ARE religious chapters of the AHA, but it also subtly confirms the AHA has multiple chapters. This means the AHA is spread out in various parts of the country and not operating solely out of Louisiana.
It makes sense, and I’m sure some of you likely already figured the AHA was larger than one base of operations, but this was pretty interesting to pick up on in justifying how many hunters were rolling in to participate.
forest condor
it kinda pushes my idea of what a bloodline is tho
seperate groups operating inside of the AHA
each player operating his or her own bloodline and playing the hunters within it
bloodline being like a mafia's family
except with dark magic
and more murder
urban burrow
Yeah like a clan
slim hatch
Sorry I've slept only 1h in past 48h someone said DS being a ritual
No it's acquired via a ritual
After which it becomes an ability
And based on information we have there are actually many more.
But what other abilities can be acquired we don't know
Most perks fall into category of skill rather than ability aside from maybe Conduit (Passive) and Resilience (Physical conditioning)
.
forest condor
it's an example Var'uun
because it's easier to give an example than to just say it and hope people understand
and because so far it's the most reasonable explination for what the hell a bloodline is
urban burrow
I meant the acquiring of DS is a ritual, And if its believed its a ritual thru hell i was saying it was a religious ritual in that case
sinful trout
@forest condor yeah to help beginners understand tgen yeah its a good example
@urban burrow makes sense
@urban burrow makes sense
late tinsel
@forest condor I’m starting to agree to some extent. Each chapter or circle of affiliates might have their own “bloodline” of potent hunters. It’s reaching, but there’s some logic there. Hopefully we’ll get some clarification if Bloodline has a lore basis or if we’re trying to smash lore into something purely designed for gameplay.
forest condor
ahh the good old thing
which we've forgotten to use after getting butthurt about people not being clear about speculation 
stiff vector
late tinsel
It took me about 10 minutes before I went back and put it in lmao
sinful trout
i feel that bloodline is a reference to ahas inner circles and as you grow deeper your bloodline with a sacred pool is deepened. Until youve reached 100% identical blood with the pool
forest condor
my theory is that new recruits get given guns that other hunters bring back or have abandoned as being useless compared to their updated arsenal. this is why teir ones can be gotten as free with contraband weapons
and as the group progresses they gain acces to new and improved weaponry, if they can pay for it
urban burrow
BOXES
forest condor
pretty boxes
sinful trout
good point ^
urban burrow
Deus Ye Vult Et!!!
sinful trout
Deus Ye Vult Et!!!
late tinsel
Deus Ye Vult ET!!!
forest condor
Deus Ye Vult ET!!!
undone forge
[ Nescio Latine!!! ]
NEIN
random lava
late tinsel
Now that the uprising is over, do we have any more references to Miss Laveau outside of the two letters from the desk & the Louvent journal?
sinful trout
Not that ive seen
late tinsel
That’s a shame. Also, Dr. Jones is still working at an asylum while directing the AHA, correct?
@sinful trout
sinful trout
As far as the elwood letter goes, yeah
Hes superintendent of the asylum im pretty sure
late tinsel
Tyvm. Jones must never sleep.
I’ve been curious as to why he’s still working at the asylum when he recognizes the threat of the Louvent and pours so much time into the AHA. I’m guessing something must be going on at the asylum.
sinful trout
Possible the asylum is a cover for a research center?
late tinsel
Yeah, I’ve suspected as much.
Either Jones is experimenting by using the Asylum as a front, or he’s very dedicated to his work.
That said, I’ve noted before that the language in his letters carries the tone consistent with a doctor “many lives may be saved” kind of stuff. Guess we won’t know for a bit.
rotund ferry
Quick rundown on Hunt lore?
late tinsel
@rotund ferry check out the pinned posts for the basics. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes. Also, welcome to the lore channel!
sinful trout
@rotund ferry basically entity from another dimension made a curse that fucked people up. Theres ome butcher and one spider and each time you play the game its a different person telling the same story
forest condor
Also @rotund ferry hunters are bad people who kill fellow members of their orginization for power. And some are in it just for the thrill
Also pinned posts are neato, cha cha check it
late tinsel
And then there’s me. Just regularly talking things out with other teams and splitting bounties with reasonable folks that realize we don't actually have to kill each other.
tiny scarab
It's rare. Viable if you're a solo player
forest condor
I once met a solo who looked like he couldn't even aim properly. I told him I left a bounty back at Stillwater and he just meandered away
main quail
late tinsel
@main quail I absolutely use diplomacy as much as possible. If I'm in trouble, something like, "Fellas, can we talk this out? We all wanna retire at the end of the day," is something I'll open up with. I really like engaging different hunters and seeing their reactions. Most of the time it's pretty unpredictable, but I'm yet to run into a hunter who's gone back on their word.
surreal shard
i haven't seen a diplomatic dude yet except for 1
i think most diplomacy is a headshot from 50 m out
forest condor
Everyone I've met has gone back. Maybe one person didn't
sinful trout
Only one has gone back on their word for me
late tinsel
Most that want to kill me outright start shooting at me. Folks that talk have been much more cordial. I think it’s neat that the lore automatically irons that kinda stuff out by noting everyone’s in the bayou for their own personal reasons. I walked up to a barn where two guys just picked up bounties. I heard them announce they could see me, but told me they didn’t wanna shoot me because another team was rolling in, so they said if I’d help them, they’d let me have s bounty token from the next boss. I said “hell ye” and that’s exactly what they did. We cleared spider after putting down two teams together, split the bounty and went our separate ways.
burnt orchid
That's pretty cool
forest condor
Wow this chat is dead recently, we should throw out some speculative pieces here and see what sticks, cause there's no other way we're getting out of this drought till 5.o
late tinsel
Agreed.
sinful trout
Soulstone theory!
late tinsel
Reminder that Trials of Dr. Reed have this as the final black photo. Because I've been digging through all the old stuff and messing around with photos to dig for clues, including history of the Voynich manuscript.
anyone have a better photo?
HOLY CRAP. Decided to google Marie Laveau, and hot damn. She was a real person and practitioner of voodoo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Laveau
So it turns out Marie Laveau was essentially given the moniker of "Voodoo Queen of New Orleans" and did a lot of divination and possibly a lot of other occult stuff.
forest condor
I posted a better photo earlier
But it's not that much better
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fack
I'll grab it later
less fuzzy
late tinsel
Tyvm
I’m seeing evidence of a mutilated beard in there. Guessing that’s Reed himself.
Maggots.
late tinsel
boss 3 is going to be Reed
forest condor
But R33D iS AlrEady A Bo$$
late tinsel
R U SURE
forest condor
reed is actually the hunter you play not any boss and for the love of all that is good and holy give us more lore please
rotund ferry
who is paying the hunters for the contracts?
late tinsel
@rotund ferry It seems like the AHA payroll is done by Phillip Huff Jones, but who is funding him is up for speculation. We know he's directly offered bounty rewards for the Wellspring in Quickplay as well.
forest condor
wait, where did you see that he gets directly offered bounty rewards for QP?
late tinsel
It’s in the communique. @forest condor
worthy onyx
Does anyone know what kind of magic the hunters use? I assume since they can see dark energy from afar that there are some that use a little magic here and there. I’d like to suggest having magic kit options for hunters (such as spells) but I don’t know what is canon at the time being
I understand that full on Skyrim magic isn’t a thing
But I don’t know the extent
forest condor
the darksight is more of a way to part the veil between worlds, but there have been many hints at dark magic and arts
mainly the tarrot cards, we don't know what those do yet but we do know that they will be mythical in nature
as well as that there are many rituals that the hunters do throughout the game and into lore
getting darksight is a ritual that we don't know much about, banishing bosses is a ritual, and getting clues/rifts are rituals
worthy onyx
In that case, long form rituals that require certain ingredients could be interesting
Their effects would need to be less direct than “throw a fireball”
Like you kill a hive to get a certain ingredient, a duck for another, and a water devil for the last to start a ritual that has a cast time like the banishing, but it just gives you temporary traits
“All special zombies ignore you for 120 seconds”
Or “bleed at half the normal rate”
forest condor
that, would be interesting
I think it would be cool for them to do somethin like that, but it would probably be in the form of a ritual
simaler to what you described
although it woudnt be ingredients, more like a sort of energy from each
worthy onyx
I’d also like to see something for the higher tier hunters to do. Like a major ritual. They have to get the bounty and then go to a certain area and perform a grander ritual which unlocks more advanced occult techniques for that hunter
Obviously risky, but perhaps it gives that hunter the option of more traits or ritual techniques
Just something to scratch my fantasy itch
forest condor
Maybe, that would be pretty cool
late tinsel
Crafting update
south urchin
I would like to see a abillity like fanning but leavering for smashing out rounds of your leaver action you have the gun down to your hip firing like hell but not ass accurate ofc. But called the Duke or somthing to honor John Wayne. Would be pretty cool in my opinion and would give me a better reason to use the weapons more...
forest condor
Now that @south urchin doesn't require much I'm the way or lore, I'd suggest posting that in the ideas or suggestions chat
tall lava
I need some help from you lore guys, I'm doing a little project that I won't go too much into detail right now and I need some hunt lore related or overall fitting symbols
Kinda like the regular crosses 
stiff vector
maybe?
tall lava
But it can be anything that's black/white, stuff like the writings that you talk about etc.
Yeah I can add that too
As long as I find a bigger pic of it
forest condor
Well, the writing in hunt normally consists of a voynic script
Let me find it real quick
stiff vector
forest condor
Oh...there it is
Thanks Fab
BTW 
means aha
Which means American hunter association
late tinsel
I thought it meant “OWO”
stiff vector
late tinsel
Lmao
forest condor
Yeah, that was a running theory but then the furries left and we could see clearly
late tinsel
Oh good. Yes.
I’m more familiar with the actual rl voynic script, where most attempts of translation are done by converting characters into Latin.
Translations are still incomplete and baffling.
Also I wanted to point out I believe a doc in hardcore has misinterpreted Dr. Reed’s final words. They directly translate into Haitian Creole, but there’s one or two words that are somewhat baffling.
forest condor
Like what?
south urchin
@forest condor. Ooopps sorry my bad on my phone writing sorry
forest condor
Ah lol, it's cool
late tinsel
Crap, I can’t remember how I found it, but one translation I got said something like “I flee this [untranslated] era. Dsrow has no right to [untranslated]”
@forest condor
south urchin
just out interest what do you think of that ability :p just wondering
forest condor
I don't like it, Winnies already fire faster than every other gun but the avto (shotgun and nitro not included because recoil man)
And wait, @ @late tinsel are you referring to the end of his writings
In the trials of Dr reed
late tinsel
I flee sa fi tyeh ytr ot ekta orot. Dsrow no het gepa a a
Yeah, @forest condor
forest condor
I know the last one is "words on the page
@sinful trout I forgot how the first part went and I'm not feeling up for anagrams
I feel as if they try To take root
NVM varrun
There you go @late tinsel
It's "I feel as if they try to take root, words on the page aha"
The h isn't there sadly
But that's what we've been going with
late tinsel
Interesting
forest condor
Yes
late tinsel
We confirmed that?
forest condor
Yeah, by rearranging the letters
late tinsel
Right on.
forest condor
Lol, if that hadn't worked we would have had to do a lot more work but at least it was just an anagram
late tinsel
Just realized- are the roots of darkness connected to Reed’s line there?
sinful trout
maybe
late tinsel
Also also- we know somebody has traversed dimensions to the Sculptor’s realm. I wonder if the steam cards are hinting at some of the events there.
sinful trout
drowned maid
slim hatch
@stiff vector @tall lava @late tinsel @forest condor Might of accidentally tagged unrelated person just a tip on Voynich, don't do 1 by 1 letter conversion it's too slow. You can extract everything in one go through Dev console in the browsers (Default button F12)
@forest condor Anagram is translated in the Character's page
stiff vector
👍
tall lava
@slim hatch Thanks but I already made the thing in #game-ideas and decided to not go too overboard with the symbols 😄
urban burrow
Sculptor duck, GO!
Sculptor Duck first came on the scene in roughly 1865, He quickly began weaving infection and disease to all surrounding areas of the bayou. Soon he gained the notice of the great AHA. They began sending Hunters after the Sculptor Duck. Having this new threat Sculptor Duck began weaving and contorting bodies with infliction slowly making the spider and butcher to fend off the AHA. Sculptor Duck began to feel pressured and retreated to safety in an unknown location in port reeker.
^ Can we put this in hardcore?
slim hatch
Ummm so I've this revolver here, with one bullet, drum can hold six, could you pull the trigger on yourself 7 times please?
urban burrow
Why you no like the sculptor duck? I mean 100% based in lore, and gameplay 😄
Im glad you target opinions, stances, and views otherwise i might think that was a personal attack 😉
slim hatch
I'm glad you're a master troll and I might ask @sacred sable and @proper cradle to look into it ❤
urban burrow
To look into it? Lets look into you telling me to kill myself then? lol
urban burrow
So this is the place for suggesting someone kill themselves for making a light lore joke?
For one who calls mods you are a bit over the line 😄
slim hatch
Not when members complain, that they are sick and tired of derailing of the lore channel.
So take it as you wish.
urban burrow
Well let the mods figure it out and not suggest someone commit suicide my friend
That is in poor taste
slim hatch
Sure mate.
urban burrow
Back to sculptor duck!
forest condor
NO MORE DUCKS
urban burrow
😄
proper cradle
@urban burrow If you wanna troll there is always #off-topic
@slim hatch Don't tell people to kill themselves
sinful trout
Grabs @urban burrow by scruff of neck
down boy
urban burrow
Got it, was funny though 😄
sinful trout
It was
forest condor
a bit ya
urban burrow
I will slink back into my troll hole lol
twilit torrent
So, no sculptor duck?
late tinsel
If ducks become a major lore point, this chat will have a meltdown.
forest condor
^
forest condor
i'll @ johns and add to it just to see what happens
twilit torrent
I was just wondering
sinful trout
@twilit torrent i still love you ❤
lilac path
slim hatch
All monsters aside from dogs and water devil were human
rocky bloom
Immolate (verb)
im·mo·late | \ ˈi-mə-ˌlāt
transitive verb
-
To offer in sacrific
Especially: to kill as a sacrificial victim -
To kill or destroy by fire
sinful trout
Yes
late tinsel
After kind of looking at the new mob and looking back across the bosses and old mobs, I’m starting to get the feeling the Sculptor just makes whatever it wants. Doesn’t really have a tendency toward anything beyond warping the mundane into something hellish. I’m interested to see how this new mob functions, largely because of the aspect of suffering.
forest condor
the suffering part could just be, it's in pain and howls a bit
honestly that's probably the audio que for it
sinful trout
@forest condor deus ye vult et. And yeah i think it will be interesting lorewise to see how the immolator fits in with the other ai. Maybe its blind. Maybe it just doesnt care
forest condor
i can't stand if they add more "blind" enemies to the game
H3y GuYS tHE MeatH3AD Is BL1nD
forest condor
it's supposed to be blind and deaf
but it can hear or see you coming from like 4 meters away
sinful trout
Nah just blind. Not deaf
urban burrow
They see thru leaches via hive mind?
forest condor
maybe
sinful trout
Pretty sure the tool tip says they can hear you
late tinsel
I think the tooltip is blind AND deaf. Somebody snag a pic for posterity
forest condor
that's where i got it from
late tinsel
Oh well then 🤷♂️ idk
late tinsel
Oh woop lol
slim hatch
Meat-head is blind but the AI itself is buggy, It does hear tho.
His main source of vision are the leeches that's why they screech before attacking you, it also is supposed to alert the meathead but since it's AI and wonky one at that he sometimes agros just because
sinful trout
@burnt storm @random lava @slim hatch i dont think it should be pulled off simply because it fell off track. Maybe just a solid "hey there are no rules here no exception" from a dev to sort of give it a fresh start
burnt storm
I mean we already have that 😛
sinful trout
@burnt storm i know i know i know im just trying to stop it from getting wrecking balled
Ultimately its up to you guys
But theres a saying where im from
One bad apple ruins the bunch
I just hope its not the case here as i love working on lore
burnt storm
It’s gonna be fine, guys 😃
sinful trout
Hooray!
proven egret
why can the butcher do pyromancy? someone please explain then @ me
slim hatch
@proven egret The Butcher's cleaver is coated with oil
According to game files he secretes oil and in older versions on half HP he would slam it against the floor lighting it up.
The fireballs he throws at you, are actually oil balls collected on the cleaver that light up from the fire and then get flung at you
They changed it so the ability is always active thus he no longer does that.
That's about the full answer I can give you.
proven egret
@slim hatch thanks!
makes alot more sense knowing that my piggy boy isnt a pyromancer and is just too damn sweaty
slim hatch
No worries, it's one of those little known details you can't find in lore details (YET) it can be found in some patch-notes, overhauls, + Knowing the older version.
Maybe we should document it i'm not too sure if it's worth it + You know it's based on patch notes and game observation so it might be fully overhauled if they write more on butcher
random lava
You mean Mr. Burns
random lava
late tinsel
An immolator gets added to the map every time someone requests a water bomb be added to the game.
slim hatch
Seems about right
I can't spell for shit
This should probably go into #hunt-general
late tinsel
Lol that got me good.
In all seriousness, I’ve been looking into voodoo black magic, particularly in Haiti, to see if burning sacrifices was a thing. That the witch’s bridles are in the game seem to indicate some voodoo stuff was going down and being punished, which made me wonder if immolators came about after a very dark Petro loa ritual. Can’t really find much evidence that fire is used in voodoo sacrifices, though gunpowder is used in some black magic.
The sacrifice aspect of the immolator’s introduction makes me scratch my chin a bit. Hard to say if these were sacrifices at the start or after the event started. If they really are sacrifices, anyway.
One thing that’s interesting about voodoo practitioners is that they encourage the loa (spirits) to possess them in order to speak through them, etc. Something I mused yesterday was if somebody mistakenly made contact with the Sculptor and thought it was a loa. Voodoo culture believes in a supreme being followed by a bunch of other spirits, so it’s not far fetched to make comparisons there.
Could be the entire event was caused by an accident. A disastrous case of mistaken identity.
The amount of Haitian Creole and voodoo elements in the game can’t be overlooked. The inclusion of Marie Laveau in the lore, as well as Jones taking time to consult her on the matter, also seems to encourage a closer look at voodoo’s role in the event.
twilit torrent
im quite sure it has to do with voodoo as well
late tinsel
I’m pretty confident voodoo has something to do with all of it. Even though I didn’t turn up much on burning sacrifices, there’s a lot of sub cults to the tradition.
Could be possible the Sculptor needed sacrifices in order to fully influence or traverse dimensions as well. “Magic” in the Huntverse has a very high price, after all. Makes sense people would be sacrificed to open the gates for the spirit entourage. But that’s reaching way out further than I’m prepared to believe.
twilit torrent
i am pretty sure sacrifices are involved as the immolate is based of the word immolate.
slim hatch
Let me tell you basically Haitian Creole and Voodoo is one of the core elements in Hunt-verse
twilit torrent
perhaps whatever the immolater kills gets "sacrificed"?
slim hatch
A lot of texts in chuch-yard video were Creole references
So you're right on that aspect.
late tinsel
Ye, @slim hatch that’s pretty much the basis of the theory. At first, like how Jones keeps making Christian references, I thought it was a way for folks of the era trying to rationalize what they were experiencing. But the more I read into it, the more I’m certain it plays an integral role in the origins of the event.
slim hatch
Well so far we have no basis to support Christianity or Islam to have any power or influence at all within world as voodoo would which well seems to be the source of the abilities Hunters gain
So yeah all 3 of those exist but only one seems to actually do something other than being a belief system.
late tinsel
@twilit torrent I think the context of the definition refers to the immolator itself being the sacrifice.
slim hatch
And we clearly see that Christianity doesn't protect in anyway.
We can derive it from world observation Healing Water, Blanchette, Chapel all of them clearly as much as they were supposed to be holy places had 0 resistance towards the Sculptor's influence.
late tinsel
I agree that’s a solid observation. Voodoo actively encourages spirits be called upon and allow possession, which is much more along the lines of pulling things through the veil than other faiths mentioned would allow. I don’t necessarily think we’re dealing with traditional spirits from some kind of afterlife, but from.. somewhere else. Somewhere the voodoo practitioners somehow gained a direct line to. Marie Laveau seems to kinda confirm as much in her letter.
And yeah, I agree voodoo or a variant is how Hunters get their powers. That’s also a basis for my theory DS is derived from spirits and somehow binding their power for a price. Maybe why conduit allows you to draw strength from rifts as well.
slim hatch
Well we won't know until god I'll soon need a therpaist
Until the fucking books are out XD
But based on putrification of Hunters the price is life and voodoo does play a lot with the so called life energy and death.
If you look at last QnA the pricing of magic is mentioned
sinful trout
@late tinsel @slim hatch
I alsp find it interesting since the game revolves so much around creole and voodoo that there are still hunters who are religious.
I.e sinan is muslim
slim hatch
Voodoo clearly has a place and role, Creole might be just the tie and deriving point but other religions have yet to show any effect.
Else we would have "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU!"
And shit like that which we don't
sinful trout
Oh yeah definitely religions have shown nothing other than voodoo
But its just strange that these hunters still believe after all this shit
slim hatch
Only religion referred to and showing presence is Creole.
Well to quote a war veteran "When bullets start flying you will pray to every god and spirit to save your ass."
sinful trout
Muslim is mentioned as a belief but thats as far as that goes
slim hatch
I'd really be skeptical about putting much value into Hunter's religious belief.
late tinsel
Ye. Actually, @slim hatch I recently started thinking about if the putrefaction of hunters is actually derived from DS. In the Communique, Jones seems to not know the cause of damnation or suggests it’s from being around the corrupted monsters for so long. Unless he’s lying to hunters when they take DS, it could be possible the price hunters pay haven’t been clearly defined yet.
slim hatch
Yes it is
We noticed that back in 0.125
When we started with lore we just didn't have any clear answers
Until the price was mentioned and confirmed
So it's very clearly DS and potentially many future abilities directly feed off the Hunter's life
late tinsel
We know there’s a price, we don’t know if it’s the same damnation cleansed by the WS.
slim hatch
"You've to give something up to use dangerous and unstable magic in Hunt-verse"
But in the end with this it all comes down to the fact that.
WE DO NOT HAVE MORE INFO.
late tinsel
Ye. But why would Jones not be clear about that?
slim hatch
Unreliable narrator
Take it this way what you read within lore texts.
Is akin to you walking into a room mid-meeting
If you're familiar with topics, rules etc. You will be able to catch up on all loosely explained statements
IF you're not just like we are outsiders.
It will make less sense to us.
late tinsel
Well, if we know there’s a price, Jones must know there’s a cost. Unless he’s completely ignorant to the price of DS and doesn’t realize that’s what causing damnation.
slim hatch
He probably realizes but so do everybody else.
That's why he doesn't have to explain it.
The price is probably made clear when the ritual is done.
late tinsel
Mm. Until there’s more info, guess all I have is doubts atm.
slim hatch
Look at it as being an outsider visiting an exclusive club. People will say shit that will fly over your head but will be understandable to the members.
I can give as an example what hollywood does commonly, lets assume there is a movie about last horse in the world, so in that world horses are extinct I can bet my ass that there will be a scene where someone will explain what a horse is. Except in Hunt-verse they won't do that.
That exposition monologue is done to explain the vision to the viewer. Cheap trick to make it easier to digest.
But Hunt doesn't do it, stuff is said in a manner as if person receiving the information is knowledgeable about everything.
sinful trout
Dont firget qnas there was a question asking about the deteriorated look to hunters and the response was "dont you think ds comes at a cost"?
slim hatch
^
Yes
- Is confirmation of cost
- Is confirmation of magic cost which DS is part of
That's why Jones wouldn't go into long annoying exposition on the cost of magic to hunters because it's his letter to all hunters all hunters already afflicted by the curse.
They know what it is and what it costs.
We don't.
They do.
sinful trout
I think there was something a while back in qnas as well that described magic in the hunt verse as faustian
forest condor
The Christian got was mentioned at one point as the "former"
sinful trout
Which basically means it comes at a cost
late tinsel
Ahhh yeah forgot about that one. Ty
sinful trout
@forest condor what was mentioned?
slim hatch
Remember all lore pieces are written in IC - In Character perspective, that's their world their reality. Hence it won't be expositioned.
That's also the reason why I'm being a fucking bitch about dissecting the shit out of it.
forest condor
One sec let me find the passage
sinful trout
Kk @forest condor
forest condor
It was a passing remark btw so nothing really concrete
sinful trout
Ah gotcha
forest condor
"the things we have encountered in the Louisiana chapter have led many of us to believe that the former, if He ever existed at all, has abandoned us to fight this battle alone."
Former in this case most likely being the Christian God
slim hatch
Huff seems to be a clear rationalist.
But that's just "Seems"
we won't know until we have something to go off of
forest condor
Well even mentioning God is an example of some shreads of belief
forest condor
It seemed like he was trying to convince himself, but eh
Also that isn't a common expression essence
sinful trout
There was another passage where he was like "i use this religious term loosley "or something
forest condor
Oh I remember that, hmm okay
slim hatch
You see don't try to slam in religion only Religion that has power and basis atm is
Haitian Creole
sinful trout
Its earlier in communique i think
slim hatch
We have materials to back it up
sinful trout
Were not trying to slam anythin in ess
slim hatch
Common expressions or twists on it is too weak of a link.
sinful trout
Were just acknowledging its presence
slim hatch
I can say "By Gods this is fucking annoying" Doesn't make me any more religious than the next guy. And as it's 1895 this is actually a time period where god was very common in speech among people.
The left over of from 1700's
forest condor
Yeah but how often does somebody go to the extent to say former
sinful trout
@slim hatch nobody is trying to say all hunters are religious and god is working through Louisiana
Nobody
slim hatch
Calm your panties not the point i'm making
sinful trout
Were just saying SOME hunters seem to believe
slim hatch
@forest condor Give me a moment
forest condor
No
sinful trout
Just as some believe in the muslim religion
forest condor
I already conceded he seems to be athestic
sinful trout
-.-
slim hatch
For basic understanding.
sinful trout
Youre not listening
slim hatch
No no I get it
forest condor
Maybe he was trying to drive the point home for some of the more religious hunters
slim hatch
1895 language we use when talking has drastically changed over the hundred years
forest condor
Also o doubt the lore writers in this game have thought it through to that level
slim hatch
Well I think actually they have, they are very good with details
It is after all an Alt Earth.
forest condor
Seeing as the language in these documents have matches up almost exactly with how we speak today
sinful trout
Hahaha nah
forest condor
We know it's common but nobody goes to the trouble of saying Former instead of God
Not then not now
slim hatch
@forest condor Their every date is actually reference to a historical event with Hunt-verse twist on it.
forest condor
Unless they we're trying to make a point
Also history itself is different from a way of speaking
slim hatch
Timeline of events and people mentioned can be traced to real people and events.
sinful trout
Alright well the MAJORITY of us believe that its possible some hunters hold onto their religious belief
slim hatch
Except there is no basis for it.
forest condor
Alright, but writing in alternative ways historic events occur is different that writing in the vernacular of 100 years ago
forest condor
They believe in hell
slim hatch
Beyond the point
Acknowledging hell is same thing as acknowledging sculptor's dimension
forest condor
They (sinners) believe that they're damned to hell so they can kill without remorse
slim hatch
And we know Sculptor's dimension is referred to as Hell
late tinsel
Jones directly referenced religious affiliates or chapters in Communique.
sinful trout
Yes but i remember a lore dev actually said sinan himself is muslim
slim hatch
Okay yeah muslim to what degree? Does he just not eat pork?
Or does he pray 5 times a day and fears to piss of Allah?
Which one is he?
forest condor
Well he's a sinners so we can assume he's already done that
slim hatch
Because if he is true Muslim as Qur'an defines it.
slim hatch
He has to follow all rules as Prophet Muhhamed state it.
Ow no no Islam defines it very clearly
sinful trout
Yes and failing to follow some is considered harami and is something you pay for
sinful trout
-.- jesus christ youre not listening
slim hatch
Look my problem is.
sinful trout
Youre just flaming at this point
slim hatch
Could you listen to me for a moment?
My problem is you guys try to attribute religion that has yet to show any relevance and you try to blanket coat every hunter with it.
You clearly don't know Islam, You've never read Qur'an and you clearly never heard of evolution of language.
sinful trout
We have never once said every hunter is religious
slim hatch
Well that's how you come across.
sinful trout
@forest condor do you remember this?
forest condor
Yep
sinful trout
You remember us saying all hunters are religious?
slim hatch
There is no fucking basis, Haitian Creole has basis... Islam ok belief system, Christianity okay another belief system both existed in 1895 but are yet to show any form of relevance.
forest condor
No I remember not saying that
sinful trout
Exactly @slim hatch
Weve even said we dont think all hunters are religious
More proof youre just flaming at this point
slim hatch
Then why are you beating around trying to attribute something to someone without having basis for it?
I'm asking questions and bringing counter arguments. Either do the same or don't engage with me. Capiche?
sinful trout
We are saying as some hunters show religious belief were questioning why they hold onto it
@slim hatch not saying all hunter believe
slim hatch
Because people will cling to any form of hope to pull through.
sinful trout
Never even came across like that
slim hatch
That has been studied long ago.
As i said at the very beginning
"Once bullets start flying you will beg all gods and deities to pull your ass through."
That's a quote from Afghanistan war marine.
late tinsel
Not all hunters have faith, but there are some. Like I said, Jones directly noted religious affiliations and chapters of the AHA. So some have implemented religion in some shape or form. It’s not hard to imagine hunters would cling to some faith to rationalize what they’re up against. Wether or not it can be weaponized like voodoo is kinda irrelevant atm. I think that’s about the summary of what I’m reading here.
forest condor
Yeah but what if you knew if you died you'd be damned to whatever hell is associated with the
sinful trout
^^^
slim hatch
Doesn't matter self-delusion... Not to die.
sinful trout
^
slim hatch
Okay I'll answer you very simply you read it 5 times and think on it.
People will delude themselves to get the will power to do something, a sworn atheist in a foxhole will pray to all gods to live, why? Because it calms them down it deludes their rationale into believing that they have a chance when outcome looks bleak. It's a very common phenomenon.
forest condor
Ohh concending words, my favorite
sinful trout
Mine too
forest condor
Again though, what about those (the motherhugging sinners) who have already damned themselves to hell, and know that
slim hatch
Same as my statement before
forest condor
Why TF would they keep their beliefs, they operate on the very idea that death equals eternal punishment, and their God has forsaken them yet they still believe
Outside and inside of hunts
forest condor
?
forest condor
They operate on the fucking idea that they're damned, that's why they can commit atrocities with no fear cause they accept it
sinful trout
"such a strange name for a group so devout"
forest condor
^
sinful trout
@slim hatch step back and breathe
All you see is red rn
And its clearly cloudong your judgement
forest condor
Umm, That's not it chief
slim hatch
You're pissed off because we just so happened to disagree.
sinful trout
? When?
slim hatch
Want me to send a snippet of all our private conversations?
slim hatch
I'm too
And ironically I'm not targeting you here I'm targeting your point, you're targeting me.
sinful trout
No im not
slim hatch
That's difference.
sinful trout
Im saying you seem angry so take a step back so you can offer a better point
slim hatch
But I'm not, stop projecting please.
forest condor
You're condescending to all of us, you're arguing that maybe the lore devs took into account over a century of linguistic changes so you don't have to say that you're wrong about something, idk if you fear people saying "oh I told you so" but you need to know when to concede
slim hatch
Focus on making a valid argument.
late tinsel
I think private messages have no place in the open. Either way this isn’t productive. Let’s all step away for a bit, peeps.
sinful trout
@late tinsel i agree
slim hatch
@forest condor Your point is so weak it doesn't hold any ground.
forest condor
Because you seem to have some complex that stops you from accepting defeat
And you have to condecend and lose all good will with everyone because you're scared of something
slim hatch
"Not a single lore text, implied strong prevalence of religion in hunters, their personal belief systems can be there for any possible reason. Delusion, hope, manner of speech based on origin."
forest condor
"such a strange name for a group so devout"
slim hatch
Yes and?
forest condor
It's saying that they're extreamly religious and devout to their faith even though they believe themselves to be damned
forest condor
An entire group of hunters that focus on religion can't be considered as negligable
slim hatch
We don't know how many there are among sinners. It can be 5 it can be 100.
We know AHA is huge.
forest condor
As well as that the constant religious imagery such as the crosses in the logo point towards forms of Christianity as well
slim hatch
It was long ago answered that Logo was purely artistic choice
late tinsel
“You will be familiar with the existence of our religious affiliated chapters...”
Dr. Jones apologizes immediately after that as if to keep from offending religious hunters.
slim hatch
I think it was in one of the earlier streams
sinful trout
There is evidence of religions other than haitian creole. End of story. Thats all that was being discussed
forest condor
Oh, @late tinsel you hut the nail on the head
slim hatch
Nobody is denying that there are religious groups.
forest condor
YOU ARE
slim hatch
Never did.
late tinsel
Then what’s the argument going on in here?
slim hatch
My only issue was blanket attribution of religion to hunters in general.
forest condor
You were saying all religious glhunters were religious out of delusion
sinful trout
^
slim hatch
I said most who attributed god in their speech probably did it out of delusion rather than strong religious convictions.
Most Hunter perspective letters mention god and hell, but there is no verification to their personal beliefs.
forest condor
You said people who were religious inside and outside of hunts did it out of delusion
slim hatch
Never said screenshot it
sinful trout
"There is no fucking basis, Haitian Creole has basis... Islam ok belief system, Christianity okay another belief system both existed in 1895 but are yet to show any form of relevance."
sinful trout
"Alright well the MAJORITY of us believe that its possible some hunters hold onto their religious belief" -var
"Except there is no basis for it." -ess
late tinsel
I think esse is referring to its power in the events of the story.
slim hatch
^
Yes I'm
Christianity and Islam at present holds 0 power in Hunt-verse.
Personal beliefs of individual hunters are just that personal beliefs.
sinful trout
All we said was they believe in it
slim hatch
@forest condor Still doesn't reinforce your earlier statement.
forest condor
I said inside and outside hunts and you said because delhusion
slim hatch
Did you watch Constaintine? You know with keanu reeves?
He was damned to hell.
He kept on fighting
forest condor
Fucking concede essence, you said you didn't say it and you did, concede that at least
slim hatch
In hopes he will be forgiven
I won't because I know what I said
Foxtrap nailed exactly what i was on about.
forest condor
And so do I, I screenshot Ted it
sinful trout
Jesus christ.
Its a lost cause @forest condor just let it stew
slim hatch
Yeah go hug it out in the corner.
slim hatch
Awww so convenient isn't it? (Now being condescending)
It's okay I still love you two.
forest condor
Lol, to lazy for asterisks?
forest condor
Just like how the concept that you're not the best just stays up there to scared to come down?
That's how elitism works
slim hatch
Ummm sure man if you say so.
And i'm by far not the best, i wasn't the one to crack the Hunt code... Nor did i have much success in actually tracking down Creole references (Really wasn't me other guys.)
TBH Until Hunt I was fairly oblivious to Creole's existence.
sinful trout
Yet you act like a god
slim hatch
No just because I disagree with your stance doesn't mean i'm having something against you.
You know we don't have to agree to be able to discuss opposite points of view?
forest condor
You've been condecending. When you said to screenshot what you said I did and you still fucking said that the LITERAL SCREENSHOT is wrong
slim hatch
Because it was
forest condor
How do we argue with somebody who can't be erong
slim hatch
"You said people who were religious inside and outside of hunts did it out of delusion"
-What i said that those people are probably deluding themselves
forest condor
slim hatch
Look up
forest condor
Why would they keep their religion inside and outside of hunts even if they're damned
"because delusion"
forest condor
Idk why you out the rest but because delusion is a direct response to my question
slim hatch
"If you know you're damned, apathy and nihilism can take over which results in you losing the will to keep on fighting as such in order to keep going you start deluding yourself to get that hope and keep going forward."
That's a proper constructed meaning of what i was trying to convey
slim hatch
forest condor
Idk why I'm still arguing with you, congrats you're always right and can't be wrong
slim hatch
This is me unpacking 3 short bursts into what I tried to convey.
Sure man.
I should really probably take a break from Lore I haven't had such clusterfucks since ever.
analog cipher
Oooh I wonder , is immolator a fallen hunter ?
late tinsel
We all have bad days, all get in weird scraps. Let’s all just take a step back and jump back when we broach a topic that we can be constructive on together.
slim hatch
@analog cipher Doesn't look like it based on what we know, we might find out later.
late tinsel
@analog cipher doubtful, but it’s been suggested a few peeps.
slim hatch
But concept of returned hunters always was interesting for the community
late tinsel
^
slim hatch
@late tinsel ❤
Seriously man
But yeah atm. doesn't look like it but maybe we could beg in the #game-ideas and then we can force writers to write lore on them.
slim hatch
Ow?
rotund ferry
The immolator may be a damned soul of a hunter thats why they would be in pain
etc
you get the jsut
jsut
just
slim hatch
I missed the start of stream 😦
But burning soul of a hunter 😐 That would make an awesome boss tho.
late tinsel
Gist, yeah. I’m positive the people warped by the event are still inside there.
slim hatch
^ Confirmed by the fact "Events are recoverable"
late tinsel
Also soul of cinder confirmed lol /s
rotund ferry
so the comunity is already relatively small and theyre going to split the playerbase between regular hunt and a teste server ?
late tinsel
Ye, and Dr. Reed’s writings to some effect @slim hatch
slim hatch
@late tinsel With Dr.Reed i'm not sure if he was successful at holding off the affliction.
late tinsel
@rotund ferry this is not the channel to discuss that.
forest condor
@rotund ferry not the place go to offtopic
slim hatch
Sure didn't look like it.
late tinsel
Oh, I don’t think he held it off, but he maintained some sense of awareness deep into it.
forest condor
Also I'm going to throw this theory out there, what if the damnation is from proxy to those afflicted by the shaper
And stems from something other than darksight
late tinsel
I briefly touched in that, but the devs do confirm DS is somewhat responsible. I missed that when I brought it up myself.
Probably doesn’t help though.
slim hatch
@late tinsel True at the end of his journal... A bit reminds me of zombie infection in some works.
Don't think being around afflicted actually affects the healthy.
forest condor
Ah, cause if it's a form of proxy it could reveal how Reed was infected
slim hatch
At least short-term
late tinsel
That was my line of thinking as well.
slim hatch
Long term if Sculptor's influence is persistent even during Hunt
Well maybe but we have no proof of that.
late tinsel
It’s hard to tell if a spirit latches on to a victim and corrupts them or if it’s caused by the corrupt rifts bleeding out spirits that inhabit weakened hosts once they’re properly changing.
The proximity the effect of the corruption has seems to be limited to the rifts. That’s why I think they’re so protective of them.
slim hatch
Well guardian system was added later into the game.
late tinsel
Ah.
slim hatch
Initially it wasn't a thing but it could be excused with that.
slim hatch
It also doesn't seem like Sculptor latches on one host, it seems like he affects an area and moves on. @late tinsel
Sorry hard to focus trying to focus on the stream and lore.
slim hatch
Well Reed didn't seem aware of sculptor he thought it was a disease.
slim hatch
ttul?
late tinsel
I think it was meant to be ttyl
late tinsel
Ye.
late tinsel
Ducks and their role in voodoo
late tinsel
Lmao Uh, I think last thing discussed was DS and damnation.
slim hatch
Well just to amuse you
Before we had the letter describing the true deck our initial theory was that "The True Deck" was able to give salvation to a damned hunter
Obv that all flew out of the window the moment the letter describing the True Deck came out
late tinsel
That’s interesting to learn. Seems to be the True Deck functions very much as literal fortune telling to some extent. Jones seems to recognize they have power but wishes to deny it.
slim hatch
Yes
Exactly
I looked up what the Tower i think meant
And it matched his reaction
So it's probably at least lore wise literal fortune teller tool
According to QnA it is a tool
But that's about it
I think it's easier to look it up
Based on the new piece of Lore text, the hunter with the True Deck looking at Tower, is it safe to assume that True deck isn’t a salvation as we assumed initially but rather a tool to foresee your future? The hunter expected to die because from the true deck staring back at him was The Tower. And in Tarot Tower’s meaning is as follows "The Tower is commonly interpreted as meaning danger, crisis, sudden change, destruction, higher learning, and liberation. In the Rider-Waite deck, the top of The Tower is a crown, which symbolizes materialistic thought being bought cheap" -Essy
Answer: The True Deck is a tool and more. You’ll have to wait for more answers.
Yeah here it is
burnt storm
“Researcher's insight into the Immolator.
Undated.
The Immolator seems to be the most tormented of them all. The smallest movement sends him into a rage, attacking chaotically, and when shot burning even hotter and charging like an angry bull. He is, of course, extinguished in water (and can be fatally consumed by his own internal flames), but otherwise, represents the most intelligent example I have seen. The beast can actually open doors!
I have noticed certain Biblical parallels in the story that—I believe—describes the very first occurrence. Did the religious factions have it right after all? I wonder. We both assumed that the folklore was just that: lore, scary bedtime stories. Another author’s futile attempt to force linear, comprehensible human meaning onto an inexplicable event. What if this time, they got it right?”
slim hatch
Didn't see it thanks
Now they stuff lore into YT Descriptions?!
Really?
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
But thanks for that
Will just dupe it to LHC
full fog
What if this time, they got it right?”
is this implying that we are about to get more intelligent ai?
gameplay wise that would be good
i like the direction they are going in with the immolator
slim hatch
Problem with immolator as many others have noted is that
It breaks the presently established aspect theory / template.
Clearly something is off now
Which means either theory is broken aka non-valid or we missed something or lack some piece of information
full fog
I feel like the immolator is actually not infected by the plague but rather resurrected by a sculptor
fathom badge
he aint got no 'bug-like' qualities
full fog
i know that the plague is presumably also created by the scupltors but what if they just took the burning corpe and just reshaped it into a immolator
full fog
yeah but grunts dont either
full fog
grunts just have maggots since they are essentially walking corpses
just like immolators i feel
maybe they were also burned "like witches" since hunt has strong religious themes
also
what if immolators are just wellspring rejects
they did not manage to capture the wellspring, they were burned just like everyone not worthy but did not actually die
that would explain the skin-piercing explosion
since they got a bit of wellspring inside of them
late tinsel
That... could be a possibility.
There’s a few issues with it, but made me consider they might be hunters for a few minutes.
sinful trout
Yeah the main thing as to they cant be hunters is why would they be there during the bounty hunt if the wellspring hasnt happened yet
slim hatch
^ tho don’t think wellspring has timing or direct relation to the events that happen on lawson or bayou
I mean QP map is more of an asset reuse
To save time
sinful trout
The point is wed have to know when the first one appeared in relation to a wellspring to know for sure.
late tinsel
Yeah. I still don’t think that QP represents the first WS event. Rather, I believe it’s one discovered during or after the Spider/Butcher Hunt.
It could all be shrugged off as gameplay by way of recycling assets, but ya know.
sinful trout
No we dont have much on qp but check out a communique for all hunters
late tinsel
@full fog this sums up about everything we know.
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/a-communique-for-all-hunters
