#lore-discussion

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sinful trout
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Is there a reason for the gender separation between grunts and hives (hives primarily female and grunts primarily male)?

slim hatch
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hisses curling up and flailing tentacles I hate you!

minor peak
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Grunts will have female variants soon.

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Idk about hives.

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For now they are females.

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There might be males.

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But for now, to my speculation, females are hives because its like they birth the insects like they birth babies..

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Reproduction stuff, you know.

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Because hives unleash an unlimited number of insects after the targets.

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Those insects seem to die after some time pursuing.

mellow jetty
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@sinful trout If I'm not wrong, there will be female Grunts. I think they did say that on livestream.

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And there CAN be male hives, so it is not limited to the females. @minor peak @sinful trout

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There you go.

karmic crescent
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Queen parasite I tell you ¡!!!!!!!

sinful trout
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FUUUCK

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All of our speculation down the drain

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Why are the majority of hives we've seen so far females? Just a development issue not having the models yet or is there another reason @mellow jetty

mellow jetty
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I would say it is a development thing same as with female grunts - personal opinion.

Edit: What I said its correct and confirmed by the voices. Also aesthetic issue.

sinful trout
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So there's no special correlation between women and hives.

slim hatch
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You must differentiate between gameplay/dev decision/aspect and lore like all ammo has the same text on it just in different colours while in realty there are different types of bullets

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Same way as f hunters aren’t in the game not because they don’t exist lore proves they do but due to dev they aren’t yet

sinful trout
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Yeah I was just wondering if there is a correlation because if there is that would mean the virus actually affects people differently

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Biologically I mean

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@slim hatch what's your take on the whole Dr Winkler and father Nico theory?

slim hatch
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I still suspect Dr.Reed is the spider

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But Winkler Nico theory is also plausible

mellow jetty
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I thought we agreed that Spider is of multiple people

sinful trout
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Yeah that's why I theorized that it's Winkler and nico

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Because it's the perfect amount of material and it says on the church card "I was too late, there was no trace left of Winkler or nico

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It could be that the hunter got there too late to stop the transformation and had to kill the spider

slim hatch
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@mellow jetty Yes but still

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You’re adding fluff

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That is unnecessary

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Sure it probably is multiple people but it’s the chassis that matterra

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If the base is Dr.Reed then even if it’s multiple people fused to Dr.Reed it’s Dr.Reed

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Same as DOS you can have multiple OS’es on it but the base is DOS

sinful trout
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@slim hatch but didn't Reed eat his own leg? And I thought everyone around him was dead by the end of it. He wouldn't have anyone else to fuse with

slim hatch
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Thing is

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Seems like sculptor doesn't need a living subject

mellow jetty
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@slim hatch Okay, fair enough. I hear you.

sinful trout
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@mellow jetty does the subject need to be alive for the transformation to work?

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@slim hatch that would be fucking terrifying if it didn't. He could dig up a graveyard and summon like 50 spiders

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" The creatures battered themselves against the thinly paneled walls, raking bloody fingernails across the boards as they felt their way through the darkness and toward their next meal." - from Dr Reed's journal.
Does this imply the Zed's are blind?

fathom badge
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could imply that they still need their eyes

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as it is in 'darkness'

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and ive seen in many cases when i go through heavy grass or cornfields the zombies lose my trail almost instantly

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only going after the sound of me sprinting

cold badger
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i mean we talked about it a lot after it was announced at e3

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i dont think theres been any new info

slim hatch
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It's the water-devil we have no lore on it

sinful trout
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@minor peak I get what you mean. How the hell are tenticles formed from a human being. Right?

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Enlarged tendons?

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@mellow jetty does the sculptor have the ability to make beings with non human materials?

burnt storm
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From a human being?

sinful trout
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I have no clue

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Why is there a tree on his back

minor peak
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What if it is not even from human being but mutant water fish?

sinful trout
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I was thinking something along those lines. Hence the question to voices man. But seriously

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Why the wooden tree on the butchers back?

burnt storm
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I doubt there are any humans involved in water devil

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And there's a tree because it looks cool 😉

minor peak
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Yeah, I doubt water devil is from an infected human.

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Tree..

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Doesnt it look like a bit religious wooden cross?

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Maybe that's Father?? 😱

sinful trout
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(that's what they're called, trees)

minor peak
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Maybe that's Father, wtf?

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Forgot name.

sinful trout
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? What do you mean

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Father?

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What?

minor peak
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There is a card.

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That says Dr. Winkler or something.

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And Father.

sinful trout
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Father nico

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As in a proest

minor peak
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Yes, Father Nico!

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Maybe he got infected and became the Butcher, hence the religious cross?

sinful trout
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Wait. So you're saying Winkler is the sculptor?

minor peak
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Isnt Sculptor the demons who infected people?

sinful trout
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Can you find a cross stump anywhere in chapel?

minor peak
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Definitely not.

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Perhaps in Healing?

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There are 3 churches.

sinful trout
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The one that's on fire

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That's Madonna right?

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Because that's the picture in the card

minor peak
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Well, yes, it's burnt.

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yes, that's Madonna.

sinful trout
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Next time you're in game, look for a stump where a cross could have been

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I'll do the same. Check healing too

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I just think it's more plausible that they became the spider.

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And the sculptor is (as I believe) a demon that creates the big spoopy monsters

minor peak
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spooky*

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The one who unleashed infection as well.

sinful trout
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No

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Spoopy

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I spelled it right

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Are we sure it's a demon though?

minor peak
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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It's more demon infestation.

elfin ridge
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Looks more like a crucifix than a tree on the Butcher's back IMO.

mellow jetty
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@sinful trout Can't answer that.

mellow jetty
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@sinful trout The Hunt story in general... No text you see is written from an objective point of view. Each piece of text is written by a certain character. Each probably from a different background, using their own terminology – for lack of a better term they use certain words. Like for example – Arab says djinn / shape / sculptor.

Furthermore, this makes some text unreliable. People can remember things wrong. While other can lie.
In fact, each session of Hunt gameplay is conceptual. There is only one spider, only one butcher. They were killed only once. But each Hunt match is somebody telling that story differently.

As to what really happened in Louisiana in 1895, that is the big puzzle.

vestal coyote
minor peak
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Nope..

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And this is lore discussion, not screenshots.

mellow jetty
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@minor peak I saw something about WENDIGO in here because I was away for a longer time could you please in short tell me what do we know about that?

minor peak
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Nothing, someone asked Wendigo or perhaps made a suggestion about it in lore discussion rather than on suggestions channel.

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If I recall.

mellow jetty
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I see, thanks.

cold badger
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@sinful trout its what he mounts the head on

sinful trout
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That would make sense @cold badger but only if it didnt have those little side branches

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@mellow jetty why? You concerned about what we might have unnearthed? Getting worried cuz were on to something? WINDIGO BOSS CONFIRMED

cold badger
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Well theres no doubt that the head is mounted on the cross, could be a totem of some sort

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Possibly what gives it magical fire powers?

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Cuz other than the totem hes pretty much just a meathead

river aurora
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Instead of a Wendigo, how about somethign a little more based with Louisiana Folklore, a Rougarou would be far more interesting seeing as everyone is jumping on the Wendigo bandwagon nowadays.

That and y'know, werewolves man.

slim hatch
mellow jetty
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@sinful trout No I was doing some research on my own about it. That's all.

limber patrol
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Wendigo in Louisiana ? 🤔 Nah. It's not that it's impossible but it wouldn't feel ... 'right' ... and werewolves ... Mhh that would feel too much straight unnatural. I like that even with all the horror that's going on here we're still one foot in sort of voodoo black magic and something something realistic. Plus Wendigo are supposed to be "the spirits of lonely places" ? They're supposed to live deep in the wood. I get the cannibalistic part but the place is a bit too crowded ... 😄 Unless ... There is a hidden cave somewhere ...

ancient sandal
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Idk but the hive girls are with some insect spirit according to the wiki so maybe just a bunch of bugs are done with our crap

quick sandal
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so what even is the lore of the game whats going on?

mellow jetty
quick sandal
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ok thanks

latent salmon
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So just asking,anyone knows books with the feels of hunt shodown? thanks!.

cold badger
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The most dangerous game @latent salmon

mellow jetty
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@slim hatch @minor peak @sinful trout I have a question from voices. Did you find anything on that The devil in the churchyard trailer?

minor peak
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What devil??

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Let me see.

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Which seconds?

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Maybe the words?

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At the corners.

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0:08

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0:12

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What am i supposed to find. 😦

mellow jetty
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There is hidden message in it right.

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That is all I know

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We can try translate the words to see

minor peak
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Those tiny words..

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Thats ridiculous, they cant be recognized this... simple lol.

sinful trout
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Can someone link the video in clips? I can't seem to find it because I'm a little bitch boy

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@mellow jetty ask the voices if the language is in english

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P.s I found it

slim hatch
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@mellow jetty missed been on the road whole day will get home check

sinful trout
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@slim hatch THE EYES, IT HURTS THE GRAMMAR NAZIS EYES

slim hatch
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I don’t care i hit road at 7am my ass is like a square!

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It’s 8PM atm!

sinful trout
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Oof

slim hatch
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@mellow jetty Yep saw the texts too small will snap them tomorrow contrast you know go CSI on them

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Not today my brain ist done!

cold badger
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so idk if anyone has discussed this before

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but when you're banishing the monsters, that big stream of energy shooting up in the sky is the "monster" right?

main fable
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You mean their soul

river rain
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You shure its not a temporary portal?

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In my mind that makes more sence.

full prism
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what if we're on drugs and we have been murdering the townsfolk

river rain
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...

slim hatch
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@cold badger It's probably the rift or energy vortex powering the said rift since sure vortex coems from above but the monster is squished into the ground rather than thrown into the sky.

sinful trout
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@slim hatch I'll try deciphering the letters tonight around 12 my time. It's 5 now. But I'll stay up all night if I have to

slim hatch
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Sure, looking forward to seeing results and best of luck @sinful trout

sinful trout
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I'll fucking need it

mellow epoch
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Has anyone figured out what the hell the Louisiana Event says

sinful trout
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Which one?

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The entire book is labelled the Louisiana event

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@mellow epoch

mellow epoch
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I dunno

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All of it?

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I don’t really see how they fit in

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Or I can’t read any of it

sly bison
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Read the wiki for clear translations @mellow epoch

mellow epoch
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thanks

sinful trout
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@cold badger most of the words get translated into hebrew

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still working on it

cold badger
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ahhh

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nice

sinful trout
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@slim hatch hit a dead end have to restart

sinful trout
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@slim hatch another dead end, too tired to continue

violet pelican
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Looking a whole lot like a grunt is fusing with a tree and turning into an armored. Hard to see with the yellow color of the light, but the flakes around it on the tree look like the armor of the armored zombies

mellow jetty
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Easter egg groot 😛

blazing lava
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Is there an explanation in the lore why hunters are so hostile towards other hunters? Mere rivalry or money is a bit far fetched for kill-on-sight behavior.

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Obviously it's a good thing they're hostile, otherwise we wouldn't have a game 😄

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But just wondering.

sinful trout
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It's got something to do with hunters going nuts after touching the true deck and using ds too much, mix that with the need for the bounty

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@slim hatch just hired someone to do it

real blade
minor peak
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This has nothing to do with this.

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"Some may open fire immediately upon sight, some may retreat and avoid any form of confrontations and some may even ask for truce, team up and cooperate each other. It is implied through the lore text that they are not required to kill each other."

river rain
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^

mellow jetty
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True story.

river rain
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Just to put it out there... All of you who feel that hunters only kill each other on sight... Have you ever thought to call out and ask for truce instead of shoot the guys? There is nothing stopping you. There is nothing in lore that says you must kill all the other hunters you meat. Try it some time if you feel like it.

viscid shale
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I mean, if you dont wanna die dont play a pvp game

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That is simple

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It is a pvpve, people will shoot on sight

minor peak
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@mellow jetty Let's talk about the animals.

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Why dont they react to monsters?

viscid shale
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Not everyone is lore based. People just wanna play this game like its "meant" to be played

minor peak
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They react to approaching Hunters only but to monsters... They just dont.

mellow jetty
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Solid questions @minor peak

minor peak
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Do they hallunicate?

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Like, they are already ifnected.

mellow jetty
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Are they infected ?

minor peak
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And are at some infection stage -.. idk?

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Dogs seem to be starving.

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Horses are whining in pain.

mellow jetty
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Dogs are in ludicrous mode

viscid shale
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what i dont get is a horse who didnt react to explosion right beside it but me going close

minor peak
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And that's all ONLY when a hunter is approaching.

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But to monsters... They act as if they dont see them.

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I always had the suspicion that they are uh..

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Infected.

mellow jetty
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drops books

minor peak
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But cannot be transformed.

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And are at some infection stage.

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Where they begin to hallunicate.

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Unable to see monsters but able to see alive.. Humans.

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I need to find a proper story about it in my animals guide.

viscid shale
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or the other way around, they see the zombies as humans and humans as the zombies

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gasp

minor peak
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Dogs dont attack you if you enter their cage though. - Could be gameplay reasons.

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But aside of that..

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Why they react to us but not monsters?

viscid shale
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I just think they "kind of" recognize the people from before so they dont really see any danger

mellow jetty
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@minor peak I asked the voices

minor peak
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And?

mellow jetty
minor peak
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Wha-..

mellow jetty
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We'll have to wait until my blood run cold.

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Then I'll be able to hear them.

cold badger
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do we have any definite links to voodoo religion/culture besides the mention of marie laveau?

slim hatch
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No

late idol
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lf1 VC 20

cold badger
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why would you ask this in the lore channel

rotund ferry
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Closest I can find is a thing called a "scold's bridle", but it looks like this is intended to keep them from biting or yelling/raving, which seems like a lot of the grunts may've been interned as insane asylum patients in the earlier stages of plague.

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But I dunno if this is the exact same device.

minor peak
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Headlock or somehting.

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Suggested by doctors to limit the infection but proved to be a fail.

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They werent asylum residents/

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But resident who were under care by doctors.

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They believe the headlock would do some job.

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But that proved a fail.

rotund ferry
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It was believed in the late 1800s keeping the head upright and perpendicular slowed the flow of disease to the brain so doctors could treat any kind of infection before it took the person's mind and killed them/rendered them insane, and was also used for mental patients to stop them from biting or hitting their heads on walls.

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So yeah, it seems local doctors thought people with the plague would be saved with headcages.

minor peak
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Possibly.

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But it eventually proved to be a fail as they became aggressive.

rotund ferry
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Yep.

minor peak
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And the infection spreaded even further.

rotund ferry
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Really interesting stuff. And it looks like some zombies eventually broke/bit out of them anyway.

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Speaking of which, is it ever mentioned anywhere that the Hunters are "immune" to the mundane side of the plague?

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I know one of the first doctor's letters mentions biting is the way it's spread, and having to "put people down" if they're bitten.

minor peak
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Well, monsters dont bite hunters it seems.

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They attack with their weapons/claws.

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This may because its a gameplay mechanic.

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@mellow jetty Have the voices spoken yet?

sinful trout
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looking up from table where head was previously resting I found nothing.
clenching fist my source found nothing
Eyes are red from lack of sleep ITS BEEN 3 FLIPPING DAYS AND I STILL HAVE BLOODY NOTHING ON THOSE GODDAMN GIBBERISH CALIGRAPHY/HEBREW HYBRID ITS JUST A CRUEL JOKE MADE BY A TWISTED PSYCHO WITH CATTERPILLARS FOR TEETH WHY REHAB WHY HAVENT THE GODDAMNED VOICES ANSWERED YOU SOMEONE END MY SUFFERING

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flips table
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE LETTERS @mellow jetty

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** I DEMAND ANSWERS FOR MY SUFFERING**

minor peak
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It's glibberish, it's confirmed. xD

sinful trout
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and noone

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not even you

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thought to tell me

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HOW DARE YOU

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HOW

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DARE

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YOU

minor peak
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Wh-..

sinful trout
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when was it confirmed gibberish?

minor peak
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Never.

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I confirm it.

sinful trout
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oh

minor peak
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😄

sinful trout
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OH

minor peak
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xDD

sinful trout
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whoops

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i now love you again <3

minor peak
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😄

sinful trout
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i gave up

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im sorry @slim hatch

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its just a mix of poor quality (not your fault) and someones mad scribbles

slim hatch
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I really am starting to doubt @mellow jetty 's crediability

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I mean all he has given us was empty chases so far

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So I'm sticking to what i'm best at.

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That is analyzing solid lore pieces.

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Not gonna engage in a wild goose chase or red herrings

sinful trout
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@mellow jetty WE TRUSTED YOU

mellow jetty
minor peak
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Soooo, anything about the why animals dont react to monsters but hunters only? @mellow jetty

mellow jetty
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Nothing

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There is a chance they found new prophet - not sure.

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Maybe they move away from me

rotund ferry
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What about Grunts not biting Hunters? Are we their saviors?

mellow jetty
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Grunts?

rotund ferry
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Yessir, corrected that.

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Are we immune to the not-supernatural part of the plague?

tired wind
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This is totally unnecessary, but I’ve thought it’d be cool if the store featured a grizzled shop keeper, like an old retired Hunter who sells you all your gear. He could comment on your purchases, briefly share tips, and basically shoot the shit while you’re browsing his wares. Feel like it’d add to the lore and overall browsing experience. Again, not necessary at all, but something fun to imagine. I apologize if anyone’s ever mentioned something like this.

sinful trout
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@tired wind this is the lore suggestion channel, try posting that in the suggestions channel

tired wind
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@sinful trout just realized that tab exists. Thanks for the heads up!

sinful trout
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No problem

slim hatch
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@sinful trout Actually this is just lore channel not lore suggestion.

sinful trout
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@slim hatch i didnt realize i said that, mind working too fast while typing XD

rotund ferry
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what's the story behind the logo

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the cross and upside down cross

cold badger
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the right side up cross is our perception of the world

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the upside down cross is the "dark vision"

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at least i think thats what it is

minor peak
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There is no God.

rotund ferry
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Jesus is a lie

silver kayak
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Yo

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can someone explain the lore to me?

silver kayak
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Thx b

slim hatch
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@silver kayak Refer to pinned posts

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This Presentation and many others are there

silver kayak
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Thx

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Still really confused who this "scupter" guy is?

slim hatch
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Sculptor is the name given to the entity behind the incident at least this particular incident

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WE have no information on if there are more or if same or different entities caused previous incidents

silver kayak
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The 1885 one?

slim hatch
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There was incident before that it was 2 or 3 years before

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And some where in 1600's

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Look at lore texts it should be mentioned there (Pinned posts i'm at work so can't dig through it for you)

silver kayak
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Thank you!

slim hatch
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No worries

sinful trout
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@slim hatch so do you think that the djinn mentioned in abdulaziz journal is the sculptor? And maybe he's hunting it trying to stop them from creating more monsters

rotund ferry
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though this was the best place to post this

rotund ferry
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RIP jacob

rotund ferry
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what does it mean

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is it an easter egg

slim hatch
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@sinful trout highly doubt it

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Djinn is a djinn a very specific creature

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Take into account who mentions it

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Where they are from and their background

sinful trout
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@rotund ferry @slim hatch could that be one of the children who died in Dr Reed's journal.

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@slim hatch because there it sounds like it's the sculptor speaking and it says a spirit and a demon. That legitimately relates to an efreet or a djinn

slim hatch
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It's far too far fetched

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Don't forget about in-character perspective

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For one it might be a poltergeist for another it might be a djinn.

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Same as West has Boogeyman but Slavs completely lack such concept and they have analogy of Baba-yaga (The Old Hag Yaga) which fulfill the same role.

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So taking into account the origin of the character and lack of anything else pointing that way.

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It's just some entity the guy dealt with and might have nothing to do with current events.

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Don't forget all lore texts are in-character perspective so they speak and label stuff based on character's perspective not based on what it actually is.

sinful trout
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"I am not a human being but a spirit and a demon from the hottest hell"
That would be the second thing pointing at a djinn

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To us a demon or spirit from hell, for abdulaziz a djinn

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Same thing, different translation

silver kayak
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Hey. Im running a dnd campagn with the lore of Hunt Showdown, any tips?

slim hatch
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Read pinned posts

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And also read actual lore texts to get some inspiration best i can tell you

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Without giving false info or theories

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I mean i’m now just waiting for the books to come out doubt we will have another gold rush of lore until then

sinful trout
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@silver kayak it better be on discord and I better be invited

silver kayak
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Lol, yea sure var! If you would like to. It's on discord

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It's a roll-20 thing tho

rotund ferry
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I'm interested in the dnd game too

silver kayak
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Dope, ill invite you soon, once everything is set up

sinful trout
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Dope

silver kayak
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Yo quick question, how do hunters actualy find people to hire them? Or are there leaders of the AHA the ones who give them jobs

quaint fulcrum
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random question, but why do alot of the zombies have headcages on? did it all start with tests?

sinful trout
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no it started with something called a cluptor creating the virus and the bosses

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the headcages were old tools used to prevent infection by doctors, but late proved useless

quaint fulcrum
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oh right, so im assuming they got put on when they was trying to get them not to turn?

sinful trout
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yepperino

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but as you see

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it didnt work

quaint fulcrum
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yup lol

quiet berry
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maybe every user is an own hiring agency

quaint fulcrum
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and also, what did make diffrent zombies?

quiet berry
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thats why you hire hunters you are an agency

quaint fulcrum
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like what turned a meathead?

sinful trout
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sculptor made the infection, why hives became hives and other zombie types is unknown

quaint fulcrum
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so sculptor is like a organization?

sinful trout
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no the cages were used by people in hopes they wouldnt catch infection

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no

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sculptor is like a demon (presumed) that is creating hell on earth

quaint fulcrum
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oh damn

quiet berry
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supernatural thing anyhow

sinful trout
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we dont know why meatheads became what they are currently.

quaint fulcrum
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thats awsome

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what about the spooder or butcher? any info on em

sinful trout
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meatheads hives armoureds

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spider and butcher were created as like a project by the sculptor

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if you look at the spiders underside youll notice its a human face. meaning the spider was made from a (or multiple) human beings

quaint fulcrum
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yeah ive seen that, always wondered

sinful trout
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voila

quaint fulcrum
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and im assuming bits of animals, due to horse legs?

sinful trout
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horse legs?

quaint fulcrum
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yeah, some legs have hooves

sinful trout
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i never noticed. but if they are it was confirmed a while ago that the sculptor can work with more than just humans

quiet berry
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why wouldnt he be able to all are living organisms

quaint fulcrum
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if you look, even just type it on google you can see hooves

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its really interesting lore

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most interesting ive seen in a game

quiet berry
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well its not that intersting yet but there is lots of stuff to work on!

sinful trout
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the lore is really interesting i agree. and @quiet berry i just said it was confirmed

quiet berry
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im really interested too what devs will come up with

sinful trout
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the lore is very hidden and locked. you have to do a lot of work to uncover it. theyre coming out with lore books soon in game

quaint fulcrum
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but thats cool

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it seems like you are a hunter from a diffrent place

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trying to learn what happend, and also survive and thrive

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like when i first started playing waaaay back

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i loved the whole swapping tips with people

silver kayak
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Yo quick question, how do hunters actualy find people to hire them? Or are there leaders of the AHA the ones who give them jobs

sinful trout
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@silver kayak there are multiple orginizations around the globe and they usually contact recruits

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you dont find them

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they find you

quiet berry
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@silver kayak like i said earlier "maybe every user is an own hiring agency" but thats just my idea

sinful trout
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(thats my understanding)

silver kayak
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Thanks!

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Wait, so, are the tokens just gameplay or do they have lore?

sinful trout
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lore wise @quiet berry we only know of aha and the reason you recruit hunters is purely gameplay, not lore

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the bounty tokens?

quaint fulcrum
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i hope they add in a new boss with alot of lore

sinful trout
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@silver kayak

quiet berry
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well if its purely gameplay for now

silver kayak
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Like when you kill a bounty, they drop two token things

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oh ok

sinful trout
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@quiet berry no its purely gameplay period.

quaint fulcrum
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its going to be exciting to see how they make up Lore for exsisting monsters

silver kayak
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So, wait, in lore is there some type of proof you need to provide?

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Like that you killed the thing

sinful trout
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@silver kayak the tokens are something you return to your own orginization in return for money and a (speculation ahead) parts to a true deck

quiet berry
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@sinful trout well thats not fun

sinful trout
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@silver kayak i believe the term token is used to describe the leftover pieces of the monster.

quiet berry
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there is so much to work on the hiring aspect

quaint fulcrum
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so why do they kill the monsters? over population of monsters?

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or do they cause issues in general?

sinful trout
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@quiet berry the reason you recruit hunters is so that you can keep playing. there is only one butcher, one spider. every game you play is basically a different perspective pf the same hunt

rotund ferry
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For the money B)

quaint fulcrum
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no i mean like why are you task to kill them

rotund ferry
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Because they’re demons

sinful trout
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they kill the monsters@quaint fulcrum merely because theyre in the way of your prize

quaint fulcrum
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whats the prize?

sinful trout
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@quaint fulcrum theyre beings that if let roam free it could fuck up a lot of stuff

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the prize is cards to a true deck and money

quaint fulcrum
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whats all the deck stuff about?

quiet berry
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in my oppinion all matches played are different hunts

silver kayak
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Why do the organizations that hire you want them dead?

quiet berry
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but because it is a game thats why there is only one map

sinful trout
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okay hold up

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slow down

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so many questions

quaint fulcrum
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faster faster

sinful trout
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@quaint fulcrum the deck are cards that are like tarot cards but real. they predict your death, fortune and misery. to this moment its unknown weather they actually posee the power to alter your physical abilities. theyre extremely rare and even more valuable.
@silver kayak orginizations want them dead so that the area can survive. imagine if enough civilians witnissed this event? its a very large area populated with monsters threatening the peace of america.
@quiet berry its been confirmed that lore wise there is ONE butcher and ONE Spider. but when you play sometimes you have different intel (only one target on some missions two on others) its not a matter of opinion anymore, only perspective.

quiet berry
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well that is just lame

sinful trout
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@quiet berry
Rehab | The ProphetLast Wednesday at 4:22 PM
@Var, Na-E Can't answer that.
@Var, Na-E The Hunt story in general... No text you see is written from an objective point of view. Each piece of text is written by a certain character. Each probably from a different background, using their own terminology – for lack of a better term they use certain words. Like for example – Arab says djinn / shape / sculptor.

Furthermore, this makes some text unreliable. People can remember things wrong. While other can lie.
In fact, each session of Hunt gameplay is conceptual. There is only one spider, only one butcher. They were killed only once. But each Hunt match is somebody telling that story differently.

As to what really happened in Louisiana in 1895, that is the big puzzle.

quaint fulcrum
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i like it

sinful trout
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i agree

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@quaint fulcrum

quaint fulcrum
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it makes having a diffrent hunter a actual thing

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and a actual story

sinful trout
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^^^

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@quiet berry why do you think its lame?

quiet berry
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well that other explanation is better, that the hunts are stories told by other parties

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but they could make the game feel more bigger by like saying all players are agencies of their own that hire hunters to get rid of supernatural entities in a war against the sculptor

sinful trout
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there has been more than one sculptor

quiet berry
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but hey you dont have to agree to any of my ideas just tossing stuff

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ah so the sculptor is a supernatural entity as well

sinful trout
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i mean if you want to suggest things go the the suggestion tab

quiet berry
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yeah but its lore i cant tell what the devs should do with it

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but there isnt much of the lore yet anyway, so im just tossing whats in my mind

quaint fulcrum
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there is more lore in this game than most full re-leased games

silver kayak
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@sinful trout Hey, what do you think the hunters would call all the monsters and such of the world?

rotund ferry
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"The lost", I'd say.

silver kayak
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Hmm

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Thats ok, but I need something like "feinds" or "devils"

sinful trout
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do you mean like the sculptor? or the plain zeds

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since human life is worthless to them i think they would have their own perspective. probably like
Dead - plain grunts "there's a group of deads up ahead"
Hives - Hives "there's a hive to the west, better stay low"
Brute - Armoureds "psst. brute upstairs, proceed quietly"
Dog/Hound - hell hounds "there's a pack of hounds blocking the path, find another way"
Tank - Meathead "no way i'm fucking with that tank"
but of course every hunter would call them something different i suppose. formal letters might refer to them as posessed or the dead.

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@silver kayak

silver kayak
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Thank you

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But I ment more like, you were contaced about a incedent in a small town, the note says there have been numorus blank spotted

sinful trout
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deads

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my guess would be deads

silver kayak
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Thanks!

sinful trout
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but i think they would avoid the whole "we spotted zombies" and say theres a suspicion of an event happening in moscow please confirm thayt we have another sculptor on our hands so we can send the proper measures to deal with it

silver kayak
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So, question, what is the AHAs opinion on hunters killing hunters

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@sinful trout

sinful trout
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@silver kayak the orginization i think would be repulsed by the idea as they send multiple resources to deal with the target and not to deal with eachother, but with such little money and high value for the cards (abdulaziz mentions hes getting 40 cards of a true deck in exchange for a bounty) they most likely expect it. hell one of the hunters in his note basically says hes joined up to kill other hunters

silver kayak
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Huh

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how do the card things work?

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Like in the lore

sinful trout
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its currently unknown how the cards work but it is theorised that some decks can tell the future. as mentioned in another letter (i forget where) a hunter was staring at a card that basically meant he would die

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i think it was the tower

silver kayak
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And the spiders/buchers get people thoses cards?

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@sinful trout

sinful trout
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edited above, please re-read

silver kayak
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Also, if he knew he was gonna die, why would he go out?

sinful trout
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the AHA and other orginizations get those cards for people the bounty is just what the aha want from the hunter

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i read the letter wrong, john hayward hunter wrote that he knew he would die the night of the hunt 99 times. he wrote it as a precaution to his daughter

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he didnt know he WAS going to die he knew he would PROBABLY die. (stupid var)

silver kayak
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Oh okay

sinful trout
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and even if he knew he would die he probably still would have gone as the reward is too good to pass up.

silver kayak
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Wait so how are the cards created?

sinful trout
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no one but the writers know yet

silver kayak
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Do we know the way the hunters get them?

flint hearth
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hey im a bit new but is there place i can read the lore at? like a compendium of what we know so far?

silver kayak
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@flint hearth

flint hearth
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nice!

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thank you

silver kayak
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@sinful trout Do we know the way the hunters get them? (The cards)

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Your welcome, for more info look into "pinned"

flint hearth
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willco.

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oh also.
whilst im not great at coding or art i do still have a lot of ideas. is there a place i could share these ?

sinful trout
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suggestions go to the suggestions tab 😃

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and art ideas go to fanart!

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@silver kayak the hunters get the true decks via their orginization in return for the bounty

silver kayak
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Oh ok cool

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And theise cards have random effects when used?

sinful trout
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we have no idea yet

silver kayak
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Oh, ok

sinful trout
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its suspected that some cards can tell the future

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but right now we have no idea what the cards do

silver kayak
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Oh ok

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So, in order to use the cards, do you need to do anything to it?

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Like destroy it or something

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Or is it just there

sinful trout
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still no idea

silver kayak
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Hmm

sinful trout
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i dont think so

silver kayak
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What do we know?

sinful trout
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abdulaziz mentions that chincanes true deck is not to be ignored. so it might mean that chincane has compiled a deck of really intense cards

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but currently what we know is posted on the lore website and some of the pinned messages contain google docs of previous qnas

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QnAs

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sorry

silver kayak
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Hmm... ok

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So wait, what are the "clues" are they actualy like that in the lore?

sinful trout
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Yes kind of. The clues are more like what you see in the gameplay trailer on steam. You connect with the boss and for a second you piggy back on it's conciousness.

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Painful as fuck too apparently

silver kayak
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Hmm

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So, how do the clues get there?

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@sinful trout

sinful trout
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My only theory is that they're one of the two portals connecting our world and the hell dimension. And they appear when the sculptor has created influence over the area

silver kayak
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Sounds like a solid theroy

sinful trout
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Working on it

rotund ferry
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Some Hunter names are distinctly not American, either immigrants or foreigners; how likely is it that foreign countries also have their own Hunting groups interested in what's going on?

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I imagine you could get some bigshot British, French, or German safari hunters to bring in some decent hauls.

sinful trout
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@rotund ferry yes its been confirmed there are lots of other hunting orginizations throughout the globe. more evidence is the russian and german prototypes of guns

rotund ferry
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That too.

quaint fulcrum
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it could be the cliche heaven and hell stuff

slim hatch
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It's not

quaint fulcrum
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but its been proven that the bad monsters come from a major creator right?

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so supposively the scultpor comes from hell?

slim hatch
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Another dimension that is clearly inspired by Hell

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But not Hell as we know it

quaint fulcrum
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well yeah

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the cliche heaven and hell

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not literally heaven and hell

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i mean, the monsters are clearly inspired by hellish thing

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that play into alot of peoples cliche fears

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big zombie-fied spider

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scary saw looking giant zombie

rotund ferry
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Pretty sure there's a Heaven and Hell.

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Description even says you're banishing the bosses "back to Hell".

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Not as, like, in-game dialogue or in-universe writing, but as a matter of fact. And the Hunters seem a bit on the blessed side.

slim hatch
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@rotund ferry Really blessed? SOmeone didn't read the lore texts.

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Dark Sight is sculptor's dimension ability by the cost, effects, nature.

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And all hunters in lore texts claim to be destined to hell

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Now tell me how are they blessed?

sinful trout
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The darksight itself is like hell it self for the hunters. What blessed being would come exist with such an evil thing?

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The hunters are more cursed than blessed.

slim hatch
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^

cold badger
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Cursed because no one will sell them telescopes that arent cracked up 8 ways to hell

slim hatch
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I think instead of having initially broken scopes

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You would have crack RNG every time you Drop or Melee someone with the stock

hushed meteor
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do hunters go through some kind of ceremony or ritual to get the sight or something? because I read it in one of the books in the game that, a normal guy just joined the organization called AHA which I would assume is a hunter's organization. He was told to keep complete secrecy, so I would assume that something going on with the organization they don't want others to know about.

slim hatch
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Yes

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It can be either inherited or acquired via ritual

hushed meteor
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ok

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There was a small text in the book talking about how some hunters were "brought" in to not hunt the "infected" but hunters instead. They are special hunters that go for human targets. Can we assume that is why we have the "boosted" sight? To seek out and hunt other hunters.

slim hatch
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At present there is no lore on Dark Sight boost because it was added by devs to negate camping

hushed meteor
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fair enough, but it seems like a pretty good point on that small text they put in about hunters that hunt human targets

vernal geyser
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My question has always been why do hunters of the same orginizarion hunt each other. If they all have the job of send monsters to hell why kill each other?

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Could there be other hunting orginizations or is it a name for people who do the job not a job in its self

sinful trout
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@vernal geyser almost all the hunters have no value for human life and they're only in it for the reward (bunch of money and cards to a true deck) so if something or someone is in their way good chance they'll do whatever it takes.
And yes. There are many other organizations throughout the world. We have confirmation of this as well as other weapon prototypes as more backing to it.

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And as for the hunters that do have regard for human life? Well what do you do when you're getting shot at.

The only thing you can

cold badger
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actually i think there could be some basis to the theory that the seeing players thing is a result of the partial absorption of the monster's power

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maybe thats what the "bounty" is

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not a physical object at all but just concentrated energy derived from banishing the monster

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what if

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you're not being paid to kill the monsters but the real intentions of the AHA are to acquire more and more "bounty"

quaint fulcrum
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so like a trick to get the hunter to consume parts of the sculptor creation maybe?

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cause i have wondered why you do get somewhat super human abilitie

cold badger
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i see it as what you're taking from the remains of the monster enhances the dark sight you've been given

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this energy is also why other hunters can see you

sinful trout
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That would be a nice theory if it weren't for the fact that the moment you enter the boss room the boss has no idea where you are

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You can sneak right up to them

cold badger
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maybe its not a direct translation of power

sinful trout
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So you think the aha is trying to make demons

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As in the sculptor is part of the aha?

cold badger
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not necessarily

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just that the real intention isnt to kill the bosses to protect people but instead to gather the energy which they use for some other purpose

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maybe they use it against the sculptor

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idk

sinful trout
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Interesting theory

next willow
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Same as West has Boogeyman but Slavs completely lack such concept and they have analogy of Baba-yaga (The Old Hag Yaga) which fulfill the same role.

@slim hatch actually Baba Yaga is more of a witch who lives in a forest; the Boogeyman analogy is likely Бука (Buka, Wiki page for Boogeyman actually leads to Buka in russian section), or maybe Бабай (Babay)

sinful trout
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But we'd need to ask if it's just pure gameplay mechanic or lore based action

cold badger
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i mean

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lore explanation for gameplay

sinful trout
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Also holy shit that was weeks ago dude

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I think

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That or time has lost all meaning to me

cold badger
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yeah it was a couple days ago

sinful trout
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@cold badger ask a writer if it's just a game play mechanic to counter campers

cold badger
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lol it probably is just a mechanic but i think it supports my idea anyway

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i mean it makes sense that the hunters who have the bounty become more powerful

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then again killing the bounty carriers doesnt net you the same benefits as actually killing the boss

sinful trout
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It would. Really interesting theory but it would need more backing before moving foreward

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Really cool concept tho

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I like it! :D

vernal geyser
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@sinful trout Thanks man I feel satisfied finally at some explanation.

sinful trout
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@vernal geyser no problem, feel free to ping me if you have any more questions

vernal geyser
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k

modern field
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Hunters use dark sight. According to The Bible it's a witchcraft. So hunters who hunt unclean things using witchcraft are unclean. So, they need hunters to hunt hunters.

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Catch 22.

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A hoonter must hoont.

thorny cliff
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They are tainted, whatever they did took a toll

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Do you think that hunters eventaully decay to a point

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of becoming a monster themselves?

modern field
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If they live past their 25-s.

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But if seriously... Even a small unclean seed can sprout into a huge UNHOLY PLANT.

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A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit

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Matthew 7:18

sinful trout
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@modern field obvious bloodborne references

thorny cliff
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Caw Caw

modern field
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Y, i've already figured out that there are some bb inspired moments.

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But it's cool that it's not completely Lovecraft driven universe.

sinful trout
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no im just saying its funny

thorny cliff
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There's no tentacles

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Wheres the lovecraft?

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😛

sinful trout
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CTHULU IS LORD OF BUTCHER SCONFIRMED

modern field
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Lovecraft is not all about hentai, you, sick millennial.

elder carbon
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Lovecraft is about extradimensional existentialism

sinful trout
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tentacles aren't\ all about hentai you sick millennial

modern field
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In context of a guy with anime userpic it is.

elder carbon
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The insignificance of our own being and efforts, despite how dramatic and impactful they may seem to us

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And also shooting fish people in the face

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(something a lot of Lovecraft fans forget)

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The game is Victorian horror at its finest

modern field
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External link for entertaining reading.

cold badger
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lmao no one mentioned hentai

slim hatch
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@cold badger Senpai i'm ready for you.

cold badger
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whatd you think of my theory?

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the one with what the bounties are

slim hatch
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I've stopped paying attention to be honest, want me to look at it post in #lore-discussion-hardcore including sources / basis. Because @burnt storm Made a valid point in one of the channels at this moment #lore-discussion is more of a fan-fic, wishful thinking and unfounded speculations atm as such, nobody of the hardcore lore guys really is digging for new lore because simply put we dug through most of the stuff we could of dug through. And Rehab has only thrown more confusion, empty chases and red-herrings to us which did nothing other than waste our time and distract us from analysing solid sources.

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Sheeeesh i sound like a grumpy old hag

cold badger
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did u read it tho

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like just cuz its in the normal channel doesnt mean its not me saying it lol

rotund ferry
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::What blessed being would come exist with such an evil thing?
@slim hatch @sinful trout
Blessed as in they're the only ones who can stand up to the hellish forces, my dudes.

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Everyone else got slaughtered, and only the Hunters can fight them. Cursed and blessed, given unholy power to slay unholy monsters.

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To quote Big Smoke, it's like it says in the Book.

slim hatch
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Slow clap Fan-fic

cold badger
slim hatch
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Ow it's in regards to boost

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Yeah I'd say it is a plausible theory

cold badger
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gotta explain it somehow lol

slim hatch
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But as i said at present Boost is merely a gameplay mechanic.

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Until we get any lore hint to it

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But if we were to gray area explain it.

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I'd also go for the aspect of a residue energy being absorbed by hunter during banishment

rotund ferry
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It would explain why the Hunters become more scarred and "marked" as they advance through the ranks.

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The whole staring into the abyss analogy and such.

cold badger
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but what do you think about the whole idea of the bounty itself

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the boost was a side thing

modern field
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Lol. More SCARRED. T3 hunters are wearing human's skulls on their chests.

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They are already deranged and at the point of no return.

slim hatch
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@cold badger i think bounty is merely some residue from boss but can’t say for sure what it is not enough infoand i’m heading to bed we can revisit this discussion tomorrow

thorny cliff
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@modern field WOAH NO TENTACLES PLZ

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I just wanted some terrors from the deep >.>

modern field
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Soon we'll have an option to banish hunters.

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Cuz they are demons.

rotund ferry
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What if every boss is just a Hunter who finally went insane?

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Lemme just put on this pig head and kill shit.

modern field
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If all people turn to spiders when go nuts.

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I don't even know what to say.

silver kayak
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You know why he does not know what do say?

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CUZ HE IS A SPIDER

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KILL IT!

still smelt
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Sometimes you can hear some of the monsters sing, they could indeed be humans that went insane or got cursed

silver kayak
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I have never heard it

still smelt
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Sometimes they just sing like 3 to 5 words

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And you only hear it if you aren't seeing them and they are passive. At least thats my experience so far.

steep gulch
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EU servers down?

frigid basin
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just read steam

mellow jetty
sinful trout
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@slim hatch you should make it suggestion only. That way they can only comment and the creator can follow through with it

slim hatch
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Yeah that's to @sly bison To decide he is author of that one

river rain
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Just because you have a human skull on your chest dose not mean you are deranged. In a world where voodoo-esk power is real it is probably a charm or something. And even in a world were its not real... its still probably just a charm... dose not make you deranged. Just because you are scarred from head to toe dose not mean the dark sight did it. Live a life of getting shot at, blown up, burned, and cut up on a semi regular basis and your probably going to get a few scarres... just a few. Hunters killing other hunters dose not mean most hunters have no regard for human life. in lore only one hunter mentions he is out to kill people. other lore entrees mention family, friends, and comrades. Things you don't really bother with when you don't care about human life. to say most hunters don't care about human life from one persons thoughts is just jumping the gun. if you wonder why all the hunters are killing each other in game... well... its probably because we (the players) find it fun... more fun than working together. Hunters are not as special as you think. saying they are "the only ones who are able to stand against the hellish forces" is not true. the most "power" we have seen from hunters is the use of dark sight, witch when you come down to it only helps you find clues. I have never been in a spot where dark sight helped me kill a zombie. Hunters at there core are just people who have the skills, experience, and equipment to go in and fight effectively... or just better than Susan with grandpas old shotgun that has one of two shots in it that she dose not know how to reload. almost all of the supernatural power is on the sculptors side of things. also... I imagine that hunters call the zombies what they are... corpses... I cant imagine a hunter wasting much time on something like that. just putting thoughts out there to some comments i have seen in the last few days.

brazen crest
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I like what you wrote Apache.
To note, the hunters are from all walks by the looks of it. We will even get female hunters in time.
What it shows with the tier threes is that they have been in the field for longer (IE: scars, charms, paleness from seeing the invisible world so much, etc). Someone with a lot to lose, and someone with no regard for life, both would be viable candidates for long lives. They both need to.

brazen crest
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Someone talked about picking up the bounty 'making you more power'. It makes you see hunters through the invisible world (darksight), potentially all living humans (since crows/dogs/horses dont show up).
The HP you gain from banishing a boss whoever, that could corrolate with the Conduit perk. It's the same sort of energy, but the Conduit thing is almost optional. Some hunters are natural conduits, but they all respond the same way to the banishing ritual. They are replenished. So maybe these banishments are one of the main sources of corruption for the Hunters, since we almost assume that the magic is negative/evil.

2 cents, food for thought.

cold badger
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I like that idea

still smelt
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@brazen crest I can only agree with you that they are battle worn and pale because of the things they have seen, but some people could just straight up go insane from the stress they experience when fighting a 7ft dude with a pig-head and a golden hook.

river rain
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@still smelt I think it is safe to say that if any have gone truly insane that we are not recruiting the insane ones as, if they are truly insane, would be unfit to get the job done.

still smelt
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Well obviously once they have gone insane they stay in the field to one day get slaughtered by other hunters. They would't engage anymore.

river rain
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Stay in the field to one day get slaughtered by other hunters?

still smelt
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I would assume that could be the case.

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I mean, have you seen the spiders face, it's possible that that thing could have been humaniod once.

brazen crest
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Yeah, it doesn't have chitin or a carapace like a regular arachnid, more just like skin stretched over malformed limbs. Plus, the butcher is a regular meathead (giant, leech-monster), but with a desecrated cross inserted quite forcefully into it's would-be head and neck. Topped with the pig's head, I'm thinking it's a bit too advanced for a zombie to do to itself.

There was mention of a sculptor somewhere, but I am unsure what they are. At a stretch I could think that they sculptor has the knowhow to turn these horrors into demons, or abominations. Both bosses seem to have been created, rather than birthed. The Spider would most likely be a demon, either spawned in or made from parts. The Butcher, I'm assuming, is a more troubling story.

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@still smelt , you mentioned insanity as well, and I think that's a part of the game too in a sense. We as the players can continue to play (it's just a game) but some of the lorebits seem a bit too desperate to be wholly sane. Plus there is a big Lovecraft inspiration in the game, so insanity is a definite option for the NPC Hunters I'd say. Also paranoia plays a big part in it, doesn't it? Hunters don't talk it out, so you're always going to assume the other hunters are insane for trying to murder you, and vice versa.

river rain
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@brazen crest @still smelt. Sculptor created spider and butcher from human and animal flesh and all the zombies are because of the sculptor. Nothing was birthed and the sculptor has full responsabity for all of it.

brazen crest
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Arh okay, but I guess the Sculptor's are humans? And they are the ones who have given or taught hunters the Darksight?

cold badger
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No

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Not at all

plush trout
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Isnt there only one sculptor dude

river rain
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@brazen crest The sculptor is not Human. And it definitely did not grant the hunters dark sight. Dark sight is most probably given to a hunter via a voodoo esk ritual. Also while lore implies that the AHA has dealt with Sculptors before (meaning more than one sculptor) The lore also implies that this is all the work of one singular sculptor.

sterile sonnet
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@sick vault your a god , great job on the script , love it when the community gets involved like this

fathom badge
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@minor peak from what i understand from the bible verse, the sculptor seems to be a type of demon, or even possibly the devil in some way. The he hath but a short time means that the sculptor can only act with finite resources and time. only being able to act while the bosses are alive (possibly the bosses are used as amplifiers of his power or gateways of a sort)

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Possibly the other sculptors were the same entity (the devil himself idea) but only noticed in different times and areas

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Unless it's confirmed that it is indeed multiple sculptors

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Identifying different sculptors could also be a whole area by itself, due to not seeing a sculptor being a different entity firsthand, it might have different types of effects on the local populace and wildlife

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For example, our current sculptor has a bug fetish (wasps, leech monsters, moths, and maggots in some zombie insides)
But a different sculptor may have a different execution, possibly different monsters and "style"

fathom badge
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We're probably shoving the shitter boss into hell and sealing whatever gateway of powers it helped bring

frosty fiber
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Are there any texts, symbols or the like present in game or on the website that are unclear as to their origin? Got time to deep dive all day today and I'm not sure what's been done or not except for what's in the pinned messages.

silver kayak
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About how long is the map from side to side?

minor peak
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1k1

slim hatch
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Takes about 10-15min to run from one end to another no perks by old run speed

random lava
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10-15mins? That would be crouching not running. Left to right can be done in 3 minutes. Top left to bottom right would be 6-7mins

sinful trout
brazen crest
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@river rain Dude thank you for the info, that's pretty awesome. Maybe we'll get to fight a Sculptor one day, potentially.

river rain
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hope so.

cold badger
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Sculptor fight event that all hunters have to queue together for

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Well maybe not queue

brazen crest
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im imagining open-world boss encounters, where he directs nearby zombies at us.

sinful trout
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@river rain in a mention to your previous comment a while ago in a qna we asked why hunters kill each other. And it was said that hunters are generally unpleasant and don't HAVE to kill people.
Is it a game mechanic or a story element that hunters kill each other considering all of them being associated / members of AHA?

A: They don’t HAVE TO kill each other.

If you think to this particular situation it would be a bit sketchy that someone (not belonging to your hunting organization) would be watching your back. So there would be a reason hunters would shoot on sight.

And as yo your other mention that darksight isn't the reason the tier 3s are decaying. I agree with you to a certain point. But a lot of hunters have things that look like skin diseases and fresh wounds. Some of the marks yes can be the result of battle scarring but I think the rest is due to the darksight, ref to previous qna
-Why the T3 (Rugged / Proven) hunters seem to be so battered, it’s not just hunt type scars some of them look like skin disease(Arms specifically)?

A: Don’t you think that dark sight comes with a cost?

However you brought up a lot of good points I cant disagree with.

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Not a lot of bounty going around if they're going to different organizations

river rain
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@sinful troutI didn't intended to make an implication that dark sight was not responsible for any of the damage on the hunters. I think it has caused damage. Just not all of it (Personally i think DS is responsible for... 40% of damage) witch is the direction it looked like people were starting to advocate. And I agree that not all hunters are pleasant. I just think that saying the majority of hunters don't care about human life is jumping to conclusions. Hope I don't sound mad or anything. Just wanted to clarify.

sinful trout
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@river rain ah makes sense 😃 didnt know that was what you intended the way i read it it looked like you were saying 10% of damage was due to dark sight

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@slim hatch @minor peak note in abdulaziz journal entry he mentions that he is trading the husk of a southern djinn to the amercan hunters association, but hes clearly not from the american hunters association. why do you think it is that another HA would send some of its own hunters to a hunt that means no benefit to them? politics or is it simply that hunters can go to whatever hunt they please, if that was so whats the point of belonging to an orginization

rotund ferry
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Pretty sure the “infected” are still people, once they get set ablaze they start screaming for a while. Maybe there’s some sort of message in their screams like half life? lawl

brazen crest
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Doubt it, they also scream when they hear sounds or see someone they can eat. I think it's more an 'active' response thing, not so much a people thing. How the hive screams without any attached lungs is curious though.

green violet
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i know this may seem kinda odd for me to say

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but i just started reading this chat

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could someone give me like

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a summary of the story in this game lol

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i read all that i could on the website and in the library so i (kinda) have an idea of it

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im talking about the library in the main menu where you can read the letters and all that stuff

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this stuff is really interesting to me so i'd love to join the conversation

sinful trout
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if you want more in depth @green violet just read the pinned messages

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@river rain (from lore hardcore) its a good theory, i was thinking that but that wouldnt really explain the bleeding. actually none of it explains the bleeding unless its just purely a gameplay mechanic. my guess is its a bunch of eels /worms like @slim hatch mentioned. however your idea of it being leftover human parts is a good theory mainly because would the sculptor want to waste such material?

green violet
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@sinful trout Thanks. I probably should've looked there first lol

sinful trout
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no problem! here to help

river rain
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@sinful troutIt would not explain the bleeding?

sinful trout
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like

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when you get hit by it it causes bleeding

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im going to assume that its solely a gameplay mechanic

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because nothing i know of explains bleeding for that

rotund arrow
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can someone explain the lore to me

sacred sable
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@rotund arrow check the pinned messages

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they have documents with presentations and with questions being answered

rotund arrow
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ohh

minor peak
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@green violet "Hunters are the people who inherited or underwent a ritual in order to obtain the Dark Sight. Proved seasoned hunters (Tier III) seem to display symptoms of deterioration as a result of dark sight usage, visible traits are burns, lesions and discoloration of skin. A common claim among Hunters is that they are destined to hell.

The exact reasonings for hunt is unknown but it is implied through the lore texts that they are seeking the True Deck (Because it seems to tell their future) and the Salvation (Because they are destined to hell)."

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"It is implied in some lore texts the fact that the people of the Lousiana Swamps enjoyed a normal lifestyle who worked in farms with the help of animals as evidenced from the presence of chickens in cages, the number of cornfields, etc. All these were soon to be changed when the demon infestation broke in, transforming most of the residents into grotesque monsters who attacked whoever did not transform, including the animals hence the presence of several dead horses and a few of wounded horses who are whining in pain to approaching Hunters.

In the initial outbreak, in the first reported cases the infected people were isolated and guarded by residents who were armed with crude weapons (torches, cleaver, etc). They were examined by Doctor Reed who believed that they should have headlocks attached on their heads as evidenced by a large number of Grunts who have headlocks on their heads. This experiment failed as even the armed residents were infected and transformed, hence the number of Grunts armed with cleavers and torches in their hands. Infected people slowly lost their feelings, thoughts or any other form of humanity left in them.

Response to this widespread outbreak in the swamps was catastrophic as even some residents armed themselves with firearms to fight back, an effort that quickly turned out to be futile as they were killed by rampaging monsters. Soon after, those incidents got isolated and covered up to prevent widespread panic and attention to the authorities, eventually sending out Hunters to kill and extract the bounty of the bosses by any means."

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Taken from my guide.

cold badger
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nope

mellow jetty
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@minor peak
You probably notice that I was off the grid for a few days – right? Well, the reason behind it... I was going through all my research in secret. Every scripts, page, book, scroll that I found on my journey. I went through all off it. I notice something that was repeating multiple times across all the books and papers. It was a small thing nothing special but I had to research it further. Gathering all the info and compiling it in one thing, checking it twice… I was able to pinpoint it! It will take me 3 days, 14hours and 2 minutes. I'll travel once again.

I go by name of Prophet. This is my story. With the beast inside I travel tonight. I left alone. My mind was blank, my blood runs cold. I write down these words for fix hundred and sixty six time.

fickle hatch
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Trippy

elder carbon
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I see a lot of people questioning the hunters killing eachother, but failing to remember the letter that explicitly states the sculptor could be in anyone, they don't know the extent of its power, and that "nobody can be trusted"
There was also the letter of the guy explaining how he's become enthralled by the prospect of hunting people.
So I think all that, with the idea of a bounty being up for grabs kinda explains it, no?

sharp bay
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We have seen the AHA, but does anyone think we will see more references to this "Sinners" organization? They seem to be like a Ottoman version of the AHA.

cold badger
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Theres a number or different supernatural-oriented organizations

sharp bay
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True but this 'Sinners' organization seems to be more in-lined with the AHA than with just other "investigative" organizations. i.e. The 'Sinners' are another Hunters guild.

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I'd kill for a new hunter that wears like a Fez or a robe lol.

river rain
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Saying the sinners are 'a AHA like organization' is a bit of a stretch I think.

elder carbon
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We don't know for a fact what the sinners were like, or are like, just that sinan left them behind and their name is a bit misleading

next willow
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in the book of lore there is a remark about graffiti spreading and becoming a sort of art, does it have to do anything with actual game lore, or is it just a remark cut from newspapers of that time?

fathom badge
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Newspapers of thr time i believe

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Hobos around that age used them as markers and such and others also picked it up

river aurora
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Maybe the image in the article is of actual interest, rather than the publishing itself.

elder carbon
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That's odd indeed, that it's time stamped for more than ten years before the game takes place

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The article cuts off just before naming a "pseudo language" of some kind

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Wait

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No

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1977, I'm an idiot, that's nearly 100 years ahead of where the game takes place

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I was thinking it said 1877

full fog
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guys

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how does the water devil fit into the lore

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could they all be just one entity?

slim hatch
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@river aurora @elder carbon 1895 Incident isn't the only one there was one if i'm not mistaken 10 years before as well But yeah 1977 Something wrong there

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@full fog There is no basis to assume it considering concurrent water devils (Personally seen up to 8 in one place) are a thing so it's not one entity

elder carbon
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It's probably just another creation of the sculptor

slim hatch
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Yes

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I'd say fairly certainly it is

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As it's only known entity at work in Louisiana incident

elder carbon
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I meant, as opposed to being it's own being

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I think the term water devil is a bit misleading considering the backdrop

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Unless they are infact their own independent mini demons

full fog
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@slim hatch the fact that there can be multiple water devil blobs at compound does not necesarily mean that they are not just "limbs" of one big mofo hiding underground

slim hatch
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Yes but don't use the religion argument "You can't prove it's not like that thus it's possible"

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You can kill individual instances

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Of the water devil

full fog
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i know

slim hatch
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Without affecting the others

full fog
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but you can cut off grunts hand you know

slim hatch
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  • The pattern is that only unique creatures are butcher and spider
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There can max be 1

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Of each

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In a hunt

full fog
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im not saying my treory is true just because i feel like it

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also

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when you kill one

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another one takes its place

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there is actually one hole in my theory

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if it was one big monster

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all devils would probably go after you if you stepped in the water

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so im probably wrong

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but im a hoping man

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so imma stay hopeful

elder carbon
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If it were one large being im pretty sure it'd be worthy of its own bounty

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A creature than can occupy that much territory and be that attention getting would be a concern of the AHA

river rain
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^

celest surge
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Can someone give the the quick lore rundown

cold badger
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check pinned messages.

still smelt
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I was thinking about the hunters and their link to "hell", and then I played a game and lost a hunter, since I was broke I had to buy the cheapest hunter, then it hit me. Why would you pay a hunter to do a bounty hunt for you, but you are still the one hunter killing the bounty. So what if you (the player) is a demon paying humans to posses them for an hour or so, and you get to play again whether your hunter dies or not, because that would make the hunter a host for your ghost and you can posses more hunters. And the levels you level up is the bond you have with your hunter, the more you are in the body the more familiar you are with it. I might be onto something or I am overcomplicating it with this theory?

river rain
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@still smelt. Waaaaay overcomplicating. Points for originality though.

slim hatch
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While the concept would make for an awesome twist / plot point

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I don't think writers intended that.

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Don't think it's the case but it's a damn nice idea.

sinful trout
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I had someone else ask something along this line, like you're your own organization and that's why you hire hunters. Nice idea but it's just a game play thing

lusty valley
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Wasn't Yellow fever a huge thing in Lousiana?

cold badger
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Yeah for most of its hjstory.

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Not really relevant to the game tho.

river rain
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Well, sort of relevant.

cold badger
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tru

sinful trout
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It falls in the timeline

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But just barely

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But unless we're saying yellow fever was what the demon created I doubt it's relevant

river rain
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no no. not saying that. personally i think its a scape goat to pin the outbreak on. cover story stuff. "what has been happening in the swamps?" answer- "Oh nothing. just an out brake of yellow fever."

untold solstice
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^ Thats what it seems like according to the lore

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The local government knew something horrible was happening ....or it was disinformation on part of the hunter's guilds that were profiting from these kinds of events happening

lusty valley
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So the real question is, What even made these things? Better yet.. Why does the spider have a human face? Would the air be contaminated? What made the zombies if not bites or scratches

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I’ve wondered if the hunters wearing Bandana’s are a primitive type of air filter but it seems like it could also be to show their prowess

cold badger
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sculptor

lusty valley
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Fair.

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Wait

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aren’t you in the RS2 discord too?

warped goblet
lusty valley
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Besides all the questions I posted because I have so many for this game, Do you guys think the rings tier 3 hunters wear could signify hunter groups? Because its kind of weird for only the Tier 3’s to wear them, and some of them don’t have any at all.

cold badger
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whatdoes a banknote made 100 years before the game take place that was made on the other side of the country have ANYTHING to do with hunt showdown

lusty valley
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Munnie

sinful trout
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@lusty valley the spider is a formation created by the sculptor of one or more people/animals. The demon made the virus that created all the zombies, why there is a variation (meathead,. Hive) is unknown.

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@river rain are you referring to governor general article? If so that's a good point. Because he mentions that the locals are poor and it's likely they fell to disease as poor people do

lusty valley
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You obviously need to have special infected in any Virus game 😉

river rain
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@sinful troutI am.

sinful trout
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@sacred sable I think that's the best case scenario. As to ease @slim hatch 's suffering

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@river rain makes sense. Then I think the idea of it being a cover-up is totally viable but seeming as we have no proof off it we can't assume it. For now it remains a very solid theory tho that we can ask in the next qna

river rain
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Yep.

wooden wing
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anyone solo?

slim hatch
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Hugs pillow staring at the tag* @sinful trout Sorry I don't follow what that one is about could you explain it to me like I'm a complete idiot 🤓

sinful trout
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We'll little one, @slim hatch patting head vex posted in lore discussion hardcore (and mathex pinned it) that the link for the video is now comment only, and remembering your rage a couple days ago because someone edited like the entire thing without commenting changes. I thought it was best thing to do as to ease your mind

slim hatch
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Yes

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Me and Vex discussed it in private for a few days.

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Lore is already fairly scarce and tangled someone messing with filtered data adding confusion isn’t something we benefit from

rotund ferry
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This is just speculation, but its my theory on what causes incidents like the ones down in lousiana. In swamps and places like the bayou in particular in the US south there was a strong practice of Vodoo by hatians. Vodoo was viewed as devil worship by the majority of western civilization and devil worship may be what summons events like these. Circumstantial evidence that kinda lead me to this was the very hatian appearance of a lot monsters especially the human head on the Hive. And also the head cages could be scolds bridles which were used to humiliate and torture who were “troublesome” including those accused speaking of witchcraft

lusty valley
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I mean, That would make quite a bit of sense for louisiana, but apparently this is happening all over the world too. Which is why there are so many different named hunters. Some German, British and French. But speaking about Voodoo, Look at the Tier 3 cloak hunter. He has a tophat and bird skulls attached to his chest.

rotund ferry
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It could be devil worship in any form

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Maybe each sect of devil worships just an entirely unique set of demons and such.

sinful trout
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Read the letter from madame leveau and I think you'll get some insight to your theory. It was a nice theory but just look at it for yourself @rotund ferry

river rain
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Im going to go along the lines that the bird sculls and such are charms not devil worship. Why would you worship your enemy. And its probably not to show respect... I mean... Demons... Why would you want to show respect to demons. This is the AHA not a cult.

sinful trout
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^^

sleek crest
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guys hunt showdown coming to xbox one

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😄

rotund ferry
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Trophies possibly. Or protection from spirits @river rain

analog cipher
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do you guys know what year this game is set ?

random lava
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@analog cipher 1895

analog cipher
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@random lava thanks 😃

random lava
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youre very welcome 😄

lusty valley
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Perhaps it could be charms, I mean it could also be used by the hunters as a form of intimidation. Some tier 3’s use human skulls on their chest.

vagrant slate
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How about Alligators in the Water ? ? ?

river rain
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Sorry. No Alligators in the water. Why? They probably got eaten by what's already there. Water Devils- coming soon to a swamp near you.

cold badger
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Hell chickens when

lusty valley
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Demon Butterflies when

rotund ferry
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satan boss when

lusty valley
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Gigantic Alligator boss when

silver kayak
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NOW

minor swallow
tacit tulip
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Anyone think there should be an easter egg pertaining to the Winchester family (from the Supernatural tv show)? Like maybe Sam and Dean's great-great-great grandfather or something?

elder carbon
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:V no

past bone
mellow jetty
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Questions?

minor swallow
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Yes, what is this got to do with Hunt Lore?

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🔥

tall lava
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Hunt is actually just a simulation in crysis's universe, duhh

slim hatch
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Sits on her skull throne So @minor swallow In the end you became me.... Cackles

tall lava
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This is making me uncomfortable and I'm not even Blue

mellow jetty
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@minor swallow Well its connected. I arrived. My trip is over.

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@slim hatch Shoot a question at me

minor swallow
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@mellow jetty A picture of the crisis suit is connected to the Hunt showdown lore discussion? HUL get him Essence.

mellow jetty
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Dunno why "AHA HQ" has such a suit a thing in the office but to be honest I dont care that much. It is a statue.

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@minor swallow

minor swallow
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put it on and run!

mellow jetty
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To heavy for my hands, to much of DS last three days

random lava
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👀

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This is for lore discussion only.

sinful trout
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@past bone it's a Groot easteregg

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@mellow jetty why did you post a picture of a crysis suit in the lore discussion? How's it related

slim hatch
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@mellow jetty I'll put that 1 question into bank under interest rates in order to Cash it out when a solid question is present

sinful trout
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@slim hatch but the voices won't have spoken to him when you ask the question

slim hatch
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Well lets put it this way.

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Up until this point

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Not much of the information he has provided really helps us.

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So

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Instead

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Once we get the lore books coming

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I'll cash it out there where I need a clarification

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Because he clearly know something but the way he delivers it is below what i consider a solid piece of information that we can work with

mellow jetty
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Okay how ever you want.

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The suit it should be self explanatory. Only place you can find is? Maybe that is the picture I can share. @sinful trout

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Btw Var if you have question go ahead

rotund ferry
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So what is the sculptor

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Is it a human

sleek crest
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@mellow jetty crysis 4 is coming ?

slim hatch
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^ Wrong channel

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@rotund ferry We don't know what sculptor exactly is so umbrella term is "Other worldly entity potentially incharge of Louisiana Events"

cursive schooner
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Hello guys, I want to know about the Hunt lore more than now. Where can I hop in?

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Where to start?

lusty valley
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Check the pinned messages for this channel brother man @cursive schooner There is a slideshow that contains all the current canon lore that is explained

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However this channel is just speculation and trying to understand more of the lore like what other associations are there in the Hunt world, Or what this whole thing is

cursive schooner
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Thanks man

full fog
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GUYS WATER DEVIL IS ONE BIG MONSTER

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either that or its one monster per water pool/lake/pond

burnt storm
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On a technical level for game design purposes, sure. Otherwise this doesn't give much info imo

hidden patrol
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This basically says that multiple water devils will be in the water. Not all 100 will aggro you like dogs do. Instead you will only have to worry about one to fight.

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They are staying away from the 5 packs of dogs attacking at once..lol

river rain
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^

rotund ferry
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some1 explain ahab

sinful trout
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@mellow jetty do I get a straight answer with this question?

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Also what do you mean it's the only place you can find it.its a crysis suit that is from an entirely different game. I believe that belongs in #screenshots but that may be just me.

main fable
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I admire the dedication to pursue on useless topic HUL

mellow jetty
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@sinful trout Not anymore. I'm not in the Crytek office anymore. You can ask but the answer will be given next week.

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What I meant with that is... Hey guys Im in Crytek office ask questions because Im talking with lore crew, concept crew etc...

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I did not want to spell it directly like that. The only place where you can find the suit is Crytek HQ jizzleWAH

keen thunder
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So i believe i figured out what the 'Water devils' are and the thought of what they are and what they do is very eerie. The water devils i think represent hag fish. while hag fish typically scavenge dead carcasses, the reason behind them becoming so aggressive could be a combination of two things. 1 the 'grunts' when walk through the water would become food for normal hag fish. they would then adapt to going after a moving target. 2. what ever causes the grunts to rise from the dead would then cause the hag fish to become much more aggressive and become Water Devils. those are my thoughts.

sinful trout
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@keen thunder if that's the case don't you think they'd attack grunts?

void turret
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who is the sculpter

proper pine
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This is a screenshot of the Water Devil apparently. It's weird though because it doesn't at all look like the model in game

slim hatch
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Because that's spider

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Not Water Devil

proper pine
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that makes sense

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baited by the description lol

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thought it was some mutated crayfish or something

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it doesn't look like the spider in game though, is that at an earlier stage of mutation?

slim hatch
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Possibly

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If i'm not mistaken earlier spider

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Was a lot more human in appearance

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Or concept art

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Sec

sinful spruce
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Highly disappointed, I was thinking the water devil would be an alligator or some shite

proper pine
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yeah because that looks absolutely terrifying

slim hatch
sinful spruce
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Instead it's a tentacle monster

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OH GOD WHAT IS THAT

proper pine
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it's not even that Sexi

slim hatch
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Early sketches for spider

proper pine
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its a group of monsters

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a whole swarm of eels or leeches

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something like that

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you can see them individually swimming around when they're not aggrod

sinful spruce
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Yeah... Was expecting gators. Not a hentai film.

proper pine
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yeah I wanted gators as well 😦

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woulda fit the theme better too

sinful spruce
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They could have been the hellhounds of the water, but NOOOO

cold badger
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It probably killed all the gators

digital finch
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Im starting to think that water devils are mutated leeches. Those are abundent in swampy Louisiana.

keen thunder
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Oh Lordy nope on the leaches! We already have super sized, screaming, poison spitting ones! I REALLY don’t want to think of the water devils as leaches. Would much prefer the hag fish ty

lusty valley
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They actually look more like Bloodworms to me.

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And bloodworms are known the bite so it wouldn’t be too far fetched to have vicious, demonically mutated bloodworms

keen thunder
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You have a point

digital finch
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I saw those things in brave wilderness on youtube. I think they are worse looking than the leeches

severe scarab
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sorry for non-related question guys, but is there books in the world that somewhat close to the game's lore? or at least a word to describe the genre of it, like, dark fantasy or something?

keen thunder
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Hell-on-earth

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Or simply Hell-razing

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Anyone who gets the word play 👍👍

shadow crown
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do the spider have human arms like that concept nowadays? It moves too fast

fathom badge
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Yeah

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He freaky

outer flame
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Wait what.
The spider has human arms?

shadow crown
ripe harbor
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that's how it climbs on the ceiling, just digs it's big ol fingernails into the wood

sinful spruce
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Yeah, that's kinda disgusting to see

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or even think of how it mutated to that thing

rough compass
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his face looks like he saw something that really scared him

ripe harbor
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like his reflection! ECKS DEE!

lyric sleet
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Feels like this game could share it's universe with Bloodborne lol