#lore-discussion | Hunt: Showdown 1896 Official | Page 85

full prism Jul 13, 2018, 9:32 PM

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but their was no way of knowing back then (reliably anyways) what was going on up their as it could be in canada

still sparrow Jul 13, 2018, 9:34 PM

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What do you mean?

full prism Jul 13, 2018, 9:36 PM

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what I mean is the hunters association could operate country wide which would include the great lakes

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its likely that in the game we are only seeing one branch of it in the south

still sparrow Jul 13, 2018, 9:36 PM

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We'll see in the future.

full prism Jul 13, 2018, 9:37 PM

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we shall see

past bone Jul 14, 2018, 6:40 AM

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potent yacht Jul 14, 2018, 7:56 AM

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@still sparrow what about abdullah bin abdulaziz ? what is he ?

still sparrow Jul 14, 2018, 8:49 AM

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Abdulaziz - most likely a Middle-Eastern hunter looking to obtain funds and resources for whatever faction he is working with.

rotund ferry Jul 14, 2018, 9:58 AM

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what is thsis video 😃

keen thunder Jul 14, 2018, 2:04 PM

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i'm guessing a new game base off the current and i cant w8

tropic pagoda Jul 14, 2018, 4:05 PM

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lol

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guys come on it even says in description I think

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the video above is the alpha gameplay of what Hunt was supposed to be

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but the concept got changed and instead of what u see above we got Hunt: Showdown

slim hatch Jul 14, 2018, 4:13 PM

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@keen thunder it’s previous iteration aka prototype

keen thunder Jul 14, 2018, 5:34 PM

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oh

slim hatch Jul 14, 2018, 6:31 PM

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It's what became Hunt Showdown

rotund ferry Jul 15, 2018, 1:07 AM

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much happier with showdown

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screw third person

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hope they add VR compat

plush trout Jul 15, 2018, 9:32 PM

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Fighting the spider in vr

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Good luck mang

worthy onyx Jul 16, 2018, 1:51 AM

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that would royally suck

split saddle Jul 16, 2018, 6:13 AM

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is there any transcript of the lousiana event book? I really can't read the handwritten parts.

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the handwritten letter in page 7 is just completely unreadable for me. 😊

split saddle Jul 16, 2018, 8:31 AM

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thanks

warped finch Jul 16, 2018, 10:06 AM

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It's from Slavic mythology, but still, looks great 😄

📎 likho_by_franciscomoxi.jpg

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From what Iv'e read in the lore, monsters dont exist only in US so it would be great to maybe adapt creatures from different cultures in the future

tropic pagoda Jul 16, 2018, 10:11 AM

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hmmm

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Ive heard of Licho but what does it actually do ?

warped finch Jul 16, 2018, 10:12 AM

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Licho in it's original, not cool form was depicted as a old women with one eye that can throw curses and kidnap young girls to turn them into Licho,

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But more recently people in Poland especially created this version and gave it more animalistic set of behaviors

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Now it's more of a "beast in the middle of dark forest" that hunts anyone who goes to it's teritory, it;s very fast, can jump between trees as it hunts

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And it looks really cool XD

tropic pagoda Jul 16, 2018, 10:27 AM

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Too bad they didn't put it in Witcher 😦

warped finch Jul 16, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Witcher had enough awesome Polish beasts 😄 + the games are based on books and Sapkowski did not include it

tropic pagoda Jul 16, 2018, 10:28 AM

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I know, I am Polish 😉

warped finch Jul 16, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Oh, and a fun fact, before Christians got to our beautiful country there was a church dedicated to Licho

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More of a temple than a church xD

rotund ferry Jul 16, 2018, 1:29 PM

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@split saddle that is Doctors writing ... you need to read more hand written stuff.. it's a great exercise for mind.

tropic pagoda Jul 16, 2018, 2:05 PM

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he doesn't have to...

rotund ferry Jul 17, 2018, 2:00 AM

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you should (OK!)

sly bison Jul 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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I found this guy at davant ranch

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1443588275

Steam Community :: Screenshot :: ?

Steam Community: Hunt: Showdown. ?

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Not really sure if it's lore related, could just be a random nitro and hunter hat.

tropic pagoda Jul 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

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there are more of those around the map

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pretty sure just to send a message

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that you're not the first one 😄

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and maybe... not the last one FeelsBadMan

slim hatch Jul 17, 2018, 6:02 PM

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There are many of them around

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I think it's a small element of story telling / world building

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But has no significant impact to lore.

golden kiln Jul 18, 2018, 12:15 AM

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grunts with guns please

tropic pagoda Jul 18, 2018, 12:16 AM

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already a thing @golden kiln

golden kiln Jul 18, 2018, 12:16 AM

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i dont see them shooting anyone in da game D:

tropic pagoda Jul 18, 2018, 12:16 AM

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they ded

main quail Jul 18, 2018, 7:41 PM

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whats the deal with Jacob Ortiz Sullivan

slim hatch Jul 20, 2018, 11:22 PM

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3 possible cases

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It is Virginia
It might be in character perspective error (For the rest of the world concept of states looks weird)
It might be an oversight by writers...

I'm not too well versed in US Cities and States so if any US folk knowledgeable want to look into it, be my guests.

worthy onyx Jul 21, 2018, 12:05 AM

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maybe its referring to a specific virgin

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like the virgin mary or something of that nature

exotic bolt Jul 21, 2018, 4:23 AM

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The church thats there

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stark spindle Jul 21, 2018, 1:52 PM

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The concept of hunt as far as I can gather is interesting.

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So far, as much as I can understand, the entire concept of the hunters is essentially "ones who make deals with the devil."

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These sinners know they shall die, they know they will die a horrible, brutal death, to monsters that know no gods or light. And they know when they die, they will never see heaven, but only hell.

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I suppose, I believe that the dark sight they have is part of their deal. Perhaps to be given the ability to hunt these monsters, and track them down, they must sacrifice their humanity.

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But it also intrigued me to why these men would do this. Why risk all, their lives, their very souls, for people they never knew, for those who cannot understand or even imagine these abominations even being more then fairy tales and hushes whispers.

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And that oath they take, every night before they go, only to hope they may die for their fellows and friends, and take their place in hell.

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I wonder why these hunters do this, what drive it is to make them pay such a high price.

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But it also makes me wonder what these upcoming tarot cards have to do with this all.

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In a way, these hunters are almost like the monsters themselves. What plagues them, the hunters have taken from the hand of Beezelbub himself, they are monsters hunting monsters. Hunters hunting hunters.

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It's fascinating, but perhaps I'm completely wrong, it's simply what I've gathered so far.

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I'm supposed to be studying creative literacy, this should be my strong point lol

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The sculptor still is a mystery to me though, or at least it's intent and such.

plush trout Jul 22, 2018, 8:37 AM

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There is no virus

slim hatch Jul 22, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Alright people please refer to the pinned content.

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THat will get you all started 😄

slim hatch Jul 22, 2018, 11:46 AM

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@plush trout It's the case we had with BlooD so best we can do is stay our course

tropic pagoda Jul 22, 2018, 12:16 PM

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Oh the good ol' blood omegaliplesshunter

tropic pagoda Jul 22, 2018, 1:08 PM

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But u started an off-topic discussion here because u went away from what is already discovered about the lore 🤔

proper cradle Jul 22, 2018, 1:10 PM

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this isn't the hardcore lore discussion

tropic pagoda Jul 22, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Is there a hardcore one ?

proper cradle Jul 22, 2018, 1:10 PM

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but i's fine to point him in the right direction 😃

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for a select few 😉

tropic pagoda Jul 22, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Can I be in there as a viewer ?

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Pretty please megaliplesshunter

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omegaliplesshunter

slim hatch Jul 22, 2018, 3:55 PM

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@proper cradle Actually we long ago requested that it's View for all post for few

tropic pagoda Jul 22, 2018, 3:58 PM

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Keep requesting @slim hatch

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Please droptheseedpunk

slim hatch Jul 22, 2018, 3:59 PM

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But yeah all our conclusions solid pieces you can find pinned here @tropic pagoda

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So you can read up on what we have verified so far....

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Vex did a good job and compiled a run through of verified lore and then we have snippets of talks with writers and QnA's

tropic pagoda Jul 22, 2018, 3:59 PM

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I want to see the thinking process of the chosen ones...

slim hatch Jul 22, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Well that's up to mods to allow that by me tagging 1cecold it's 2nd or 3rd request now lets see if something comes out of it

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And right now we don't have much going on as we have chewed through everything given, i think we will have a lot of new material to work with once the books come out

tropic pagoda Jul 22, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Oh almighty mod, please allow a peasant like me to see the chosen ones droptheseedpunk

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Im really looking forward to the books

slim hatch Jul 22, 2018, 4:02 PM

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We all are

rotund ferry Jul 22, 2018, 5:07 PM

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cant wait to dissect that

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it'll be like christmas

plush trout Jul 22, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Youre 17 and 5'4

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lmao

proper cradle Jul 22, 2018, 6:17 PM

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I'll talk to maq tomorrow about it

gleaming pawn Jul 23, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Yes but whats the lore behind bread?

spark berry Jul 23, 2018, 11:52 AM

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flour water and salt

random lava Jul 23, 2018, 11:55 AM

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please keep it on topic guys

tropic pagoda Jul 23, 2018, 2:39 PM

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No u cannot be added there

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The channel has alwsys been there but hidden

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Only available to the almighty chosen ones omegaliplesshunter

slim hatch Jul 23, 2018, 3:09 PM

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You give us too much credit... we just take more systematic / academic approach to lore

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And stay very focused on it

tropic pagoda Jul 23, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Nahhh, almighty chosen ones megaliplesshunter 👌

slim hatch Jul 23, 2018, 8:46 PM

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No.

rotund ferry Jul 23, 2018, 8:49 PM

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oh ok thanks, I thought u did not want to talk to me.

jagged shore Jul 23, 2018, 10:19 PM

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I really hope that the grunts/hives/spider etc dont feel pain

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Like the human being who became those creatures i mean

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Being a hive seems fucking excruciating if theres any human left in there

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i doubt there is tho

sacred sable Jul 23, 2018, 10:24 PM

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i think they're long gone

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 12:08 AM

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@sacred sable I beg to differ.

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Has anyone ever recovered from a mutation/infection of a sculptors influence?
A: Yes

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1he9akd3ZVEcMijbaTUilVgp-0dTyDHtbrZ3PCCE8Khg REF

Google Docs

Hunt Showdown Lore questions, clarifications.

Questions When was the first 'recorded' incident? Where did that incident take place? A: Not ready to reveal that yet. But clues are all over our in game and marketing material. The whole supernatural thing is not limited to New Orleans. The new Orleans event starts (again) ...

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First QnA

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So yes Hive is probably dead

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Most grunts are probably also dead

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But getting infected doesn't mean being gone.

sacred sable Jul 24, 2018, 12:10 AM

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@slim hatch that's very true... But i hope it was early staged, i can't imagine getting back in such state or being stuck inside a monsters mind

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Still being able to see but not controll anything, being trapped inside gives me the chills

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Yeah but we unfortunately don't know much about that yet

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And not sure if it's by game-design or intended but most monster characters you meet in game likely have no chance of surviving recovery due to damage contained

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There are a few grunts in decent enough state to potentially be recoverable without lethal outcome

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All other boss types aside from maybe armoured are goners for sure

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Especially meathead and hive

jagged shore Jul 24, 2018, 1:50 AM

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also we do know that at the very least

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the monsters themselves feel pain

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even if the person inside is gone

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so ig depending on the stage of infection theres some human left

real rose Jul 24, 2018, 2:34 AM

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has someone made a video yet explaining the lore?

main fable Jul 24, 2018, 3:46 AM

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Question,how the meat head see his prey ?

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He doesn't have eye,ear, nose right ?

river rain Jul 24, 2018, 4:13 AM

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The leaches see for him. Once the leaches detect something the meat head moves into action.

main fable Jul 24, 2018, 4:29 AM

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Hmm....

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Makes sense

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Yep i can confirm it work that way but still kinda wierd

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Like the leeches and the meathead have some sort of telephatic communication

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Infected people lost most of the humanity inside of them.

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There were some rare cases, apparently, that they recovered from the infection.

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Now, how did they recover is unknown as there is no known or stated cure.

zenith horizon Jul 24, 2018, 5:41 AM

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i'd be willing to bet there's a ritual for that

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maybe for cases less severe than the Louisiana incident, the forces involved are much weaker

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 6:18 AM

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What ritual?

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Hunters underwent some form of ritual to obtain dark sight.

zenith horizon Jul 24, 2018, 6:29 AM

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A ritual for curing from possession.

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There's rituals for banishing bosses, it stands to reason there'd be something similar for such a case

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 6:29 AM

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There is no where stated about the cure if I am not wrong.

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So I dont know how they get cured.

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Bosses got a very advanced stage of infection.

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Therefore they can not be cured.

zenith horizon Jul 24, 2018, 6:30 AM

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right and thats the entire fucking point of my comment 😛

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 6:30 AM

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Idk man.

zenith horizon Jul 24, 2018, 6:30 AM

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was speculation based on given lore

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 6:30 AM

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Idk how infected people (before they advance to a stage where it mutates them into grunts, etc) are cured. :3

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Could be ritual.

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Could be pills.

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Could be miracle!

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And it could be uh..

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Taking blood from immume people to infected people, curing them in process.

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Suicide is a sin. (EDIT: He removed the comment)

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 7:07 AM

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@minor peak Allow me to correct you a bit bosses probably can't be cured 😄

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 7:50 AM

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Cursed??

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Cured * Sorry sleep deprivation getting to me

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 8:26 AM

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I didnt say bosses could be cured. :3

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 8:54 AM

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I think I’m going nuts I’ll see myself out 🥜

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 8:59 AM

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No, don't go nuts. ;c

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 9:52 AM

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Easter eggs in most cases are just a nod or reference or a joke

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Like rubber ducks, or there is a pile of ash with boots and hat on the ground

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Or the Evil Dead reference

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It’s just that a nod

tropic pagoda Jul 24, 2018, 10:05 AM

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The ducks are evil overlords, come on it's obvious Happa @slim hatch

random lava Jul 24, 2018, 10:52 AM

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the pile of ash with a hat and boots is a django easter egg

tropic pagoda Jul 24, 2018, 10:53 AM

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Really?

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Would never manage that connection

random lava Jul 24, 2018, 10:54 AM

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yeah scene where he is in that cart with other slaves and its with taratino in the scene

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he shoots the 2 dead guys and blows tarantino up

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hence the 2 bodies with hats and the boots and hat

tropic pagoda Jul 24, 2018, 10:55 AM

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Cant recall the scene Imma look it up

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Nice to know tho

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 11:46 AM

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Yeah at the end of the film remember that one @random lava Thanks 😄

random lava Jul 24, 2018, 11:46 AM

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yw 😄

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 11:46 AM

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For those who don't know wtf we are on about

📎 20180723172258_1.jpg

tropic pagoda Jul 24, 2018, 12:01 PM

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Oh... I was on about something else, no wonder I didnt realize Facepalm

hearty oasis Jul 24, 2018, 12:25 PM

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do you think when hunters learn the more supernatural traits, they undergo a ritual? Like the upcoming Conduit trait?

tropic pagoda Jul 24, 2018, 12:26 PM

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thunt

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@slim hatch

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 12:37 PM

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Nothing has been talked about traits as lore wise.

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It's gameplay part I guess.

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 12:47 PM

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@hearty oasis We don't have any grounds to suspect those are additional rituals so I'd say it's a gameplay mechanic. Until we have any material that implies otherwise

rotund ferry Jul 24, 2018, 1:39 PM

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oh good they added a lore discussion hardcore for the people too full of themselves

tropic pagoda Jul 24, 2018, 1:40 PM

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someone's salty

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it's always been there

rotund ferry Jul 24, 2018, 1:40 PM

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lol ok

worthy onyx Jul 24, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but what kind of shells are used for the shotguns in hunt?

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I assume brass because of the time period but they look like yellow plastic

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(could also just be me remembering incorrectly)

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 5:57 PM

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It's a gray area question and to be honest, I've no idea. Yellow plastic might also be paperboard which would be a more sensible material to make shells out of considering the time period

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Plastic didn't exist until 1907

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Yep

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Paperboard

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"Starting in about 1877, paper hulls started to replace brass shotgun shells. Paper hulls remained popular for nearly a century, until the late 1960s. These shotgun shells using paper hulls were nearly always roll crimped, although fold crimping also eventually became popular. The primers on these paper hull shotgun shells also changed from the pistol primers used on the early brass shotgun shells to a primer containing both the priming charge and an anvil, unlike rifle and pistol ammunition, making the shotgun shell primer taller. Card wads, made of felt and cork, as well as paperboard, were all used at various times, gradually giving way to plastic over powder wads, with card wads, and, eventually, to all plastic wads. Starting in the 1960s, plastic cases started to replace paper hulls for shotgun shells; by the 1980s, plastic cases had become almost universal."

Game is set 1885

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So paper hulls / paperboard was 12 years used by that moment

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@worthy onyx Hope this answers your question.

worthy onyx Jul 24, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Thank you very much for the quick reply, and it did

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Ironically i always guessed it's cardboard shell because to be honest I think i ever came across brass shells like once in my life?

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And that was obv. in a history text-book

worthy onyx Jul 24, 2018, 6:46 PM

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I think brass shells saw more use in world war 1

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That’s my guess anyway

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I would assume it’s easier to make sure the shells stay in good shape if they are made of a strong material

main fable Jul 24, 2018, 8:30 PM

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I want to know why the official (military) in america doesnt do anything and only let the AHA do the job ? Are they try to just quarantine the area or left to be forgotten

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Are they dont think the infected will go beyond the swamp ?

worthy onyx Jul 24, 2018, 8:31 PM

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regular military doesn’t have dark sight for one

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And I doubt they’d be willing to undergo the process required for it

main fable Jul 24, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Do you need a darksight to fight the undead ?

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Or even to enter the area

worthy onyx Jul 24, 2018, 8:35 PM

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That’s how hunters find the bounties

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And I believe it relates to how they banish the bounties to hell

main fable Jul 24, 2018, 8:36 PM

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I mean like maybe the military doesnt need to fight the boss but maybe at least they can clear the smaller prey and let the AHA fight the boss

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Just my thought

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Will provide most likely reason when done with hunt

zenith horizon Jul 24, 2018, 8:52 PM

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We're all waiting with baited breath I'm sure

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the government of Louisiana is covering up the incident and so the federal government might not know anything about it

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Thing is we are fairly certain sculptor has passive influence over the area there is no other way he could transform and sculpt such big landmass.

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So it's assumed that hunters have stronger resistance to that influence but aren't immune + They are sort of trained to hunt monsters based on the fact they know how to extract clues, how to banish etc.

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But all of them are also as implied in lore texts destined to hell

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We have evidence that Dark Sight over time corrupts or wears out its wearer as evident by skin discolorations and lesions on T3 hunters all of them have some form of skin damage, discoloration etc. + One of the writers state that Dark Sight comes at a cost.

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So now imagine packing up 100 of soldiers with no training etc... They would just fall victim of the sculptor's influence and add to the affected area's danger.

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1895 is fairly religious period in history.

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And texts also imply that religion is relevant within the universe same way as it was historically.

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Now imagine telling 100 god fearing men "So your country wants to be destined to hell for eternity." Do you think many would be willing to make the sacrifice?

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To top it off yes Dark Sight is gained by heritage or via ritual and seemingly if you've Dark Sight you're Destined to hell but that's only implied and not yet clearly confirmed.

sterile sonnet Jul 24, 2018, 9:11 PM

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iv been hearing alot of things about the sculptor , who the hell is he ? he sounds like a really interesting character

slim hatch Jul 24, 2018, 9:12 PM

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We have never seen or even had a glimpse of him.

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We know only about him via lore texts

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And it's the entity behind the Louisiana incident (The one we are playing out)

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But it's not the first and not the last one.

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One of the most impactful events of such nature was "The Sundering" as per what lore-writer stated but we have no information o nthat.

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There was incident in England ca 13xx (Don't remember exact year)

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And if i'm not msitaken there was another one about 10 +/- years before 1895

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There is no pattern to escalation they incidents vary from case to case.

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We also know that power distribution is uneven aka Hunters / Monsters

sterile sonnet Jul 24, 2018, 9:15 PM

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awsome, a creature like that would make an amazing boss

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sounds really interesting, can't wait for more lore on him from the devs

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thanks for the quick response

main fable Jul 24, 2018, 9:25 PM

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Hmn your explanation make sense it would be much trouble if more undead coming from the untrined soldier but it would be a good adition to the hunt lore and gameplay if there is an udead soldier that roam the land and carry a gun that we can take.

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Because sooner or later the offical suppose to be notified right ? Cant risk the investation grow or leak beyond louisiana swamp

minor peak Jul 24, 2018, 10:15 PM

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I stated in my guide this.

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"Hunters are the people who inherited or underwent a ritual in order to obtain the Dark Sight. Proved seasoned hunters (Tier III) seem to display symptoms of deterioration as a result of dark sight usage, visible traits are burns, lesions and discoloration of skin. A common claim among Hunters is that they are destined to hell."

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"The exact reasonings for hunt is unknown but it is implied through the lore texts that they are seeking the True Deck (Because it seems to tell their future) and the Salvation (Because they are destined to hell)."

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And finally regarding the outbreak as stated in bits of lore texts.

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"It is implied in some lore texts the fact that the people of the Lousiana Swamps enjoyed a normal lifestyle who worked in farms with the help of animals as evidenced from the presence of chickens in cages, the number of cornfields, etc. All these were soon to be changed when the demon infestation broke in, transforming most of the residents into grotesque monsters who attacked whoever did not transform, including the animals hence the presence of several dead horses and a few of wounded horses who are whining in pain to approaching Hunters.

In the initial outbreak, in the first reported cases the infected people were isolated and guarded by residents who were armed with crude weapons (torches, cleaver, etc). They were examined by Doctor Reed who believed that they should have headlocks attached on their heads as evidenced by a large number of Grunts who have headlocks on their heads. This experiment failed as even the armed residents were infected and transformed, hence the number of Grunts armed with cleavers and torches in their hands. Infected people slowly lost their feelings, thoughts or any other form of humanity left in them as moths were filling in their bodies and consumed most part of their brains.

Response to this widespread outbreak in the swamps was catastrophic as even some residents armed themselves with firearms to fight back, an effort that quickly turned out to be futile as they were killed by rampaging monsters. Soon after, those incidents got isolated and covered up to prevent widespread panic and attention to the authorities, eventually sending out Hunters to kill and extract the bounty of the bosses by any means."

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Ofc, some of the parts could be wrong.

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@main fable

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So, why the army cant be sent or sort of, its likely because nobody knows this incident.

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As it is isolated and covered up.

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Only hunters know.

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And they swore an oath that they shall not leak what is happening - somewhere in those lines.

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Orthewise they may face execution as they are under watchful eye of their association, AHA.

main fable Jul 24, 2018, 11:05 PM

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No wonder army or other officials doesnt know about this but yeah thanks for the explanation, this clear some question that i have

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Is it confirmed that the moth is thr carrier of the epidemic ?

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And can you tell me what type of bug that spawn from hive

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Moths, bees something like that

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Aspect of sculptor seem to be mothe

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But i think hive is bes

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Bees*

worthy onyx Jul 25, 2018, 1:01 AM

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would be cool if tier 3 hunters looked different in dark sight

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Not like a white shirt could hold e and see a glowing tier 3

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But maybe they just look oddly shaped or something

spring anchor Jul 25, 2018, 1:34 AM

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You can't see a T3 that well in dark sight

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Even worse then normal sight

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Oh wait you weren't saying that nevermind lol

cold basin Jul 25, 2018, 6:38 AM

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If you look at the hive bomb it says wasps

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 6:41 AM

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The hive bomb was originally named as Wasp Grenade or sort of.

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Thanks for the info.

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So it's wasps then...

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Another deviation from the pattern but actually

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=.=

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No it isn't it's just me being DERP

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😊

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Easter Egg is an Easter Egg it's not lore... Easter Egg is out of World Reference a joke.... Same as Rubber Ducks they have no LORE value they are an out of world element a joke by the developer.

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Hence Easter Eggs are meaningless to us here as I've yet to see Easter Egg be a lore piece.

zenith horizon Jul 25, 2018, 8:15 AM

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_>

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 8:29 AM

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I dont understand.

exotic sun Jul 25, 2018, 2:14 PM

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the sam fuck did I just read?

worthy onyx Jul 25, 2018, 2:16 PM

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I was with him for the Asian hunters thing

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But I am now also confused

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 2:18 PM

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Just ignore him. Easter eggs are just a nod or reference.

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As for the outbreak or the hunters..

river rain Jul 25, 2018, 2:19 PM

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@rotund ferry as entertaining as you are, your speaking nonsense. But if you want to know why there is a lore hard core, then its because we decided we wanted are 'lore' with less 'trol'. So lore hard core. If you think that is exclusive... Well, that is probably because it is. For good reason.

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 2:19 PM

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"Hunters are the people who inherited or underwent a ritual in order to obtain the Dark Sight. Proved seasoned hunters (Tier III) seem to display symptoms of deterioration as a result of dark sight usage, visible traits are burns, lesions and discoloration of skin. A common claim among Hunters is that they are destined to hell."
"The exact reasonings for hunt is unknown but it is implied through the lore texts that they are seeking the True Deck (Because it seems to tell their future) and the Salvation (Because they are destined to hell)."

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"It is implied in some lore texts the fact that the people of the Lousiana Swamps enjoyed a normal lifestyle who worked in farms with the help of animals as evidenced from the presence of chickens in cages, the number of cornfields, etc. All these were soon to be changed when the demon infestation broke in, transforming most of the residents into grotesque monsters who attacked whoever did not transform, including the animals hence the presence of several dead horses and a few of wounded horses who are whining in pain to approaching Hunters.

In the initial outbreak, in the first reported cases the infected people were isolated and guarded by residents who were armed with crude weapons (torches, cleaver, etc). They were examined by Doctor Reed who believed that they should have headlocks attached on their heads as evidenced by a large number of Grunts who have headlocks on their heads. This experiment failed as even the armed residents were infected and transformed, hence the number of Grunts armed with cleavers and torches in their hands. Infected people slowly lost their feelings, thoughts or any other form of humanity left in them as moths were filling in their bodies and consumed most part of their brains.

Response to this widespread outbreak in the swamps was catastrophic as even some residents armed themselves with firearms to fight back, an effort that quickly turned out to be futile as they were killed by rampaging monsters. Soon after, those incidents got isolated and covered up to prevent widespread panic and attention to the authorities, eventually sending out Hunters to kill and extract the bounty of the bosses by any means."

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Those lore stuff are also mentioned in my guide.

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I really hope more lore stuff will be released.

regal ingot Jul 25, 2018, 2:26 PM

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@slim hatch I don't see the fact that the Hive's are home to supernatural wasps, while the general concensus is that the green moths seemed tied to the sculptors being a deviation from the pattern. Between the hives and the paper nest-like husk of the armored there is some continuity to the wasp theme. While at the same time using the moths as agents of the sculptor instead of the in game wasp style theme fits in well with what is presented both in game and likely in future lore. If the wasps were both used as the attack method of the hives and the hive bombs as well as being the method the sculptors used to eventually mold their abominations than anyone who looked at the lore with more than a passing glance would be scratching their heads as to why when a hunter gets poisoned by the hive he doesn't fall under the sculptor's influence.

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 2:27 PM

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I will make a Hive guide soon and I need to think something solid to describe them.

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I mean.. only women, seemingly are becoming hives.

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Their chest explodes as the.. "thing" emerges.

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Does anyone know what's that "thing"??

regal ingot Jul 25, 2018, 2:29 PM

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The "thing" is the nest where the wasps live.

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I may hold off for a little bit on confirming in your guide that only women become hives. In the roadmap they are adding female grunts. I would think they may possibly add male hives at some point.

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Perhaps we can nudge in the Q and A channel a little bit and see if they are thinking about male hives.

worthy onyx Jul 25, 2018, 2:33 PM

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I bet if we do see male hives they will have a different functionality or behavior

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Kind of like how bees and insects actually work

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maybe the hive is also like their queen

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if there were a male hive I’d be fine with him just being coated in bees and maybe protect hives and be really aggressive

regal ingot Jul 25, 2018, 2:37 PM

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You know that's a really good point that I never thought of before. Maybe the person that makes up the hive becomes the queen. After all the wasps don't attack until she sees or hears you, so it makes sense that she is "controlling" them. That's a really good rationale for all the hives being females. They are literally the queen bee.

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I just always kind of assumed the sculptor made them more of a mobile vessel. Like a walking tree that a nest is attached to. I like the theory that women can turn into the hive queen much better.

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 2:46 PM

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I dont even know if there is any humanity left in hives.

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They seem to moan in pain and scream when they see a Hunter.

regal ingot Jul 25, 2018, 2:49 PM

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I don't think there is any humanity left in any of the AI. It makes a lot of sense that the hive itself acts as the queen though, since a headshot eliminated the threat by killing the queen. If it was just a vessel as I originally thought a heatshot wouldn't do anything since it would be like hitting the tree the nest was located on.

worthy onyx Jul 25, 2018, 3:01 PM

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the only ones that would even barely have humanity left would be grunts

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They make the most human-like sounds

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But even they are probably soulless at this point

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Hives, moths wasps read lore texts it’s one of the basics you can find an answer for. I just got up to this shitstorm....

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Go read lore and stop poking me when it’s unnecessary

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 4:17 PM

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I didnt poke.

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The person who cant speak English and check engine poked you.

worthy onyx Jul 25, 2018, 4:23 PM

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killer it’s not like you were named as the poker

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 4:30 PM

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🤔

worthy onyx Jul 25, 2018, 4:33 PM

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essence was just saying to the chat as a whole

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Yep i mean when there are legit questions.

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Sure go nuts

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But fuck sake

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The question about Moths, Bees and Wasps

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Was like if you read any of the major Lore Texts

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You would know what it is based on.

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In-case you're too lazy to do that.

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There are pinned posts

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And one of them does cover it and confirm it. If you're too lazy to read lore texts and use your brain to connect the dots.

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Just take what is marked as verified information.

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And memorize it.

plush trout Jul 25, 2018, 5:59 PM

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the spider is dr reed?

main fable Jul 25, 2018, 6:00 PM

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not confirmed but possible

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thats what we get so far

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Not confirmed, no.

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 6:27 PM

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Grunts are very weak. Armoreds are strong due to their armor plates.

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But Hive is seemingly stronger than Grunt.

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I guess their strength have been increased due to the wasp thingy they got on?

worthy onyx Jul 25, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Most insect hives are made of paper substances

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Like a weaker version of the armored’s cocoon

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Which would make sense for her to be more resilient in comparison to grunts

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 6:35 PM

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I see, I see.

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So from what I understand.. "a person possessed by some kind of insect spirit eventually turning the body into a hive itself."

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I guess out of sudden the nest exploded inside the person's chest and left the upper body hanging to the left side?

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Nope

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Read notes of Dr.Reed

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And about armored armouring god search like half a year back when we discussed that?

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Cant find insect or armor in Dr. Reed. Let me find something else.

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-trials-of-dr-reed

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Hunt: Showdown

Hunt: Showdown - The Trials of Dr. Reed

Hunt: Showdown is a competitive first-person PvP bounty hunting game with heavy PvE elements. Set in the darkest corners of the world, Hunt packs the thrill of survival games into a match-based format.

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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I keep forgetting moths is in fact an insect. 🙄

quaint junco Jul 25, 2018, 7:58 PM

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how'd they get the dang wasps in the dang jar. Now thats some lore I wanna know about

minor peak Jul 25, 2018, 8:03 PM

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I asked, waiting for answer by the dev. It will take some time.

worthy onyx Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Slap the hives with a mason jar and clap the lid on there like you’re trying to prevent spilling a glass of sweet tea

regal ingot Jul 25, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Yeah, I wasn't asking a question. You seemed in one of your previous posts like you felt there was a discrepency in the fact the sculptors spread their influence through the moths, but the hives carry wasps. I was just pointing out that it does make sense for the two seperate insects in the lore as otherwise hunters that are poisoned by the hive should be suseptable to fall under the sculptors influence. I don't know if it would have qualified as a "shitstorm" and none of it was a question. I tagged you to include you in the conversation when you got on again. I'll be sure not to do that again.

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Ow no don't mind me.

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Just heat getting to my head and frustration that people don't read pinned posts and lore texts.

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So apologies for that

main fable Jul 25, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Essence are you some sort of head of the lore in here or what ?

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Well it just so happened that i was first one to start actually piecing together lore with @river rain long ago

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So i’m just trying to keep us focused and clear headed when figuring shit out. So called more academic and scientific approach rather than wild speculations and fan-fic

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Before me and Apa it was basically people posting the historical era weapons talking about how much they went to see x or y gun

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Do i hold any form or power or authority absolutely not, do i’ve trust and good track-record when it comes to getting us answers, results and viable options? Absolutely

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@main fable Does that answer your question?

main fable Jul 25, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Yep thats answer my question and thanks for the explanation. Its just bugging me that you seems contribute alot in here but have no title except hard core lore

slim hatch Jul 25, 2018, 11:20 PM

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Because I’m just a player who is also a sucker for actually knowing the lore of universes that interest me. And frankly put wouldn’t want any true power either. Only headache with that. If people trust me enough to listen to me i say i’m doing s good job 😊

main fable Jul 25, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Well indeed you doing pretty good job so far, no complains tho man

gleaming pawn Jul 26, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Wtf know your lore

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@slim hatch is a grill

worthy onyx Jul 26, 2018, 8:37 PM

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George foreman plays hunt showdown?

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holy sheet

minor peak Jul 27, 2018, 8:42 AM

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This is lore discussion section, my friend. @worthy onyx

minor peak Jul 27, 2018, 11:55 AM

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Ok guys.

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Are bosses the people who progressed in advanced infection stage?

compact pasture Jul 27, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Coming from someone who knows absolutely nothing about the lore and just happened to click on this channel in close enough time to the question being asked, I was under the impression they were humans who attempted to harness the dark forces that brought these and similar creatures forward, and in turn paid the price of becoming demonic entities themselves. Whether it was intentional on their part or not, I have no idea.

minor peak Jul 27, 2018, 11:59 AM

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I am not sure if Spider or Butcher especially got any lore texts, most stuff are up to speculation.

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Such as if Dr. Reed actually became the Spider.

compact pasture Jul 27, 2018, 12:00 PM

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I could understand that. In short, I believe they were regular folks who turned into these things, but probably not through infection.

minor peak Jul 27, 2018, 12:00 PM

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Could be that.

slim hatch Jul 27, 2018, 1:13 PM

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@compact pasture Entity behind this incident is referred to as Sculptor, read pinned posts for a start

compact pasture Jul 27, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Sick. Like I said, no prior info about the lore. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

slim hatch Jul 27, 2018, 1:32 PM

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No worries feel free to ask if you've questions or want to dig deeper

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Obv. I'd recommend reading all the texts supplied by CryTEK

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And you can see some hints in game as well

rotund ferry Jul 28, 2018, 4:08 AM

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Why

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Thats never going to happen

minor peak Jul 28, 2018, 6:34 AM

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And this is lore discussion.

slim hatch Jul 28, 2018, 11:50 AM

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@full finch Take it to #feedback-discussion wrong channel

forest oriole Jul 28, 2018, 12:54 PM

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where can i read the lore?

slim hatch Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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Pinned posts and lore texts

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You can observe lore hardcore when we disassemble new lore material

rotund ferry Jul 28, 2018, 2:38 PM

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On lore discussion I won’t be on for a couple of weeks due to vacation

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/hardcore

undone yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 6:43 PM

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how were the bosses made, and all the enimes?

sly bison Jul 28, 2018, 6:49 PM

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We got some speculation on how the bosses were made and the rest were most likely infected

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If you wanna learn about the process you can read this lore piece

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https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-trials-of-dr-reed

Hunt: Showdown

Hunt: Showdown - The Trials of Dr. Reed

Hunt: Showdown is a competitive first-person PvP bounty hunting game with heavy PvE elements. Set in the darkest corners of the world, Hunt packs the thrill of survival games into a match-based format.

undone yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 7:20 PM

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why thank you.

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what about the butcher?

sly bison Jul 28, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Ping The Essence of Darkness and Evil

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He/She might know the... uh, correct answer.

slim hatch Jul 28, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Poofs in a ball of flame Did someone summon me?

main fable Jul 28, 2018, 8:20 PM

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in the trials of dr reed

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the last picture what's that suppose to be ?

minor peak Jul 28, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Probably Dr. Reed.

sly bison Jul 28, 2018, 8:28 PM

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Gasps Noooooooo

south atlas Jul 28, 2018, 8:47 PM

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I was reading Caldwell's letter in the library, and he refers to sending a 'prototype' to LA. Was this the Chain pistol and the Uppercut? And is there more lore on this?

slim hatch Jul 28, 2018, 9:05 PM

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@main fable Well best guess would be Dr.Reed

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But photography not that common in 1985 so I believe it's artistic out of character piece

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Or rather visual of Dr.Reed

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Or Sculptor

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Same way as other pieces like the bottle etc.

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Is the scene perspective

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Best guess most viable one

main fable Jul 28, 2018, 9:12 PM

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hmm i wish i know how to make the image a lil bit clear

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i almost can see the whole face

faint whale Jul 28, 2018, 9:18 PM

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So I want ot get into this games lore, and perhaps even into the period of history of the US it is based upon, where should I start? With the pins? The documents linked in-game?

slim hatch Jul 28, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Pins

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Lore texts

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And google 1885 time era

uneven heart Jul 29, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Is there a place we can read the lore and events leading to Hunt Showdown in an essay format? 😄

regal ingot Jul 29, 2018, 2:35 AM

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The railroads had brought an end to the cowboy era by this point so the West was a lot more tame than it would have been 10 years prior, although some of the legendary outlaws and lawmen were certainly still alive and in there prime by the time the game took place. Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, and Alaska were not states yet and were still territories looked after by the Federal Government. Hawaii was still an independent kingdom. The Plessey v. Fergeson ruling in the supreme court was still a year out, but although freemen most African Americans were second class citizens and while protected by federal law under the 14th and 15th amendments for equal rights Jim Crow laws did much to circumvent that. The United States was still considered a second rate power by this time frame (The Spanish American War which placed the U.S. solidly as a world power is still three years away) so assuming there are other chapters of the Hunters Association around the World it's likely the ruling body, or at least the definitive chapter the others look towards would be in Great Britain.

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That should get you started as to the shape of the U.S. around the time of the game Varalorne. If you're curious about anything else feel free to ask or run a search. McKinley will be president within a year (the last Civil War veteran to hold that title, Grant and Hayes being the two others), but at the time to take place Grover Cleveland is president.

slim hatch Jul 29, 2018, 2:40 AM

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AHA is Independent from other Hunter Association that is already verified.

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Probably inspired by British one but so far we have basis only for German and Russian one based on the equipment and letters of Louisiana events

regal ingot Jul 29, 2018, 2:41 AM

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What about the letter from the Turk? Could we assume there is a similar organization within the Ottoman Empire?

slim hatch Jul 29, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Quite possible unfortunately we don't know which countries exactly have one but we do know that AHA isn't a sub-branch

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So probably those are similar organizations interacting with eachother but have no authority over eachother.

regal ingot Jul 29, 2018, 2:42 AM

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That makes sense.

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I wonder if there is a convention between organizations similar to how Naturalists from different coountries would come together to share findings, theories, and ideas.

slim hatch Jul 29, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Probably it’s similar to business and religious groups. But we don’t know for certain

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Anyway i’m off to bed so you guys have to dig through texts and pinned posts

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I’ve found a piece that might give us a new lead but awaiting verification before we put it on the table

cold badger Jul 29, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Theres a german organization of holy warriors as well, right?

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Lions shield or something

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They use military rank and stuff which is cool

past bone Jul 29, 2018, 6:10 PM

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I have 3 hunters with Swedish names now.. Recruiting worldwide? 😛

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Send us to Scandinavia for the next map, hunt trolls and dark elves HUL

regal ingot Jul 30, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Maybe rather than world wide recruiting it simply shows basic cooperation between different associations. I would imagine these infections, outbreaks, huantings (?) are rather rare and therefore a situation like the one in the Louisiana bayou would be enough to draw hunters from multiple associations the world over. Interesting would be how your "bloodline

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" fits into it all.

slim hatch Jul 30, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Incident was 86

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And 300 years prior

zenith horizon Jul 30, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Do you guys think, in times where there aren't any catachlismic events going on in the world of H:S, that, while some hunters might have had a cover job when they weren't being illuminate heroes. But maybe and likely there are enough small events that a few hundred or thousand hunters across the globe are constantly employed in general

past bone Jul 30, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Sure, if the upcoming map is somewhere else on the globe it would make sense I guess. But hiring people from all over the world to come to America to help fight demons seems "far-fetched" to me still. Hope they cram the maps with lore that you can read, discover etc. When looting is in the game, I can die happy.

slim hatch Jul 30, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Lore is coming, Our next big lore update are 2 books

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I think in 3rd column in Roadmap

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And yes it's people traveling like anyone else... They aren't recruiting globally considering there are many other organizations like AHA

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Game is simply set in America and as such AHA is the main-focus organization.

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It's time period of heavy Immigration to the west + You know a bit of 21st century politics

faint whale Jul 30, 2018, 9:06 AM

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Maybe they are just immigrants that came to the us and ended up as hunters

burnt storm Jul 30, 2018, 10:32 AM

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Everyone is an immigrant in the us so I would assume in 1895 people still stuck with the names of their origin more than they do know.

slim hatch Jul 30, 2018, 10:40 AM

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Yep

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I think on this topic you will get your answer by looking at History of immigration and also take into account the political and social trends

cold badger Jul 30, 2018, 11:44 AM

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Why would that be far fetched that theyre hiring people all around the world?

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If you read the lore book the germans and middle easterners travelling from abroad are incentivized with more than money.

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Like

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Im assuming that an occult catastrophe of this scale doesnt occur like every other day around the world, so of course international supernatural groups would want to come to the US for their groups interests as well as the money

slim hatch Jul 30, 2018, 11:50 AM

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Exactly

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They might as well easily be members of another group.

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Then there is the guy who wants to hunt men he said he wanted to become lawman or bounty hunter but criminals are too dumb he wants to hunt a worthy opponent.

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That guy is just there to kill other people that could put up a fight

cold badger Jul 30, 2018, 11:50 AM

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Yeah hes not even in an occult group

slim hatch Jul 30, 2018, 11:51 AM

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So everyone has their own reasons for it

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But we have no grounds to say AHA is openly recruiting

cold badger Jul 30, 2018, 11:51 AM

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That dudes pretty badass

slim hatch Jul 30, 2018, 11:51 AM

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Globally

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That would also probably dent their relationship with other organizations

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Which we know exist.

cold badger Jul 30, 2018, 11:51 AM

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Yeah

slim hatch Jul 30, 2018, 11:52 AM

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So that's why i'm very careful with words I use not to give people false thoughts / ideas

past bone Jul 31, 2018, 1:15 AM

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@slim hatch @cold badger Oh yeah, totally forgot about that! Like half of Swedens population emigrated to The States. For some reason mine went to Canada haha but still. The Swedish names makes sense all of a sudden (except their appearance sometimes hehe) Thanks! 😃 Im getting more and more immersed when everything is put in context! ❤ Oh yeah i've read all the books, Sweden is located in Scandinavia tho and not middle eastern europe noir Germany :P

Why it seemed far fetched for me that some Swedish farmers/factory workers would travel to America to be Hunters? It just is far fetched seeing most of them had big families and enough problems of their own. If they were convicted criminals with the option to go there and help out or be chain-pistol-whipped in the face.

(For example, if they had the same name as member of the infamous"Tjuvligan" a criminal gang who roamed Stockholm's streetsc stealing and robbing from mid 1800's to exactly 1895 when 41 of them got convicted. Actually one at least I know went to the states right after the 2 year prison sentence... But other than that, I see no legit reason for a Swedish working class-guy, during this period, to risk his life in another country then our neighbouring ones. And the small groups of military men would deff not be allowed to ditch their duty to help out a country that far away, esp like USA at that time. Maybe im overthinking... Just so damn cool that you have Swedes included! Hope we get some more lore regarding this :D

But to make things clear, this game will allways take place in USA? I mean if this happens there, it could've happened strange things all over the world?

Oh well, thanks for the context guys! Big up!

cold badger Jul 31, 2018, 1:20 AM

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Well the steam description mentions locations "around the world"

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So maybe!

slim hatch Jul 31, 2018, 1:33 AM

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@past bone Don't forget the influence of modern trends on Development

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Until we have any grounds to claim there is a particular reason other than History, Modern Trends (Multiculturalism n' shit), Just because why not...

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I think that's the best we can say.

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They do it, why no idea we don't know maybe it's just 21st century influence because don't recall lore mentioning global open recruitment.

river rain Jul 31, 2018, 1:49 AM

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It could be because this incident is different from others, thay are gathering reinforcement. I imagine thay dont WANT to do it, but if you need more men... You get more men... Make it happen. If i had to guess i would say that the AHA went to the other AHA-like organizations and offered to higher there hunters for a good price. Or a good reward... Such as cards of the true deck. "You want us to help solve your problem? What do WE get out of it... Money and... cards of the true deck!? Absolutely." I also think the hunters are in it more for the hunt and less for 'my association is better than your association'. I mean... The events i don't think are common... If you were a hunter in the AHA and a hunt was happening in France and the last event had been 10 years ago and you had just been sitting around waiting all this time wouldn't you want to go? Or do you rely feel like "its a hunt... Buuuuut its not in America so forget it."

past bone Jul 31, 2018, 5:15 AM

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@river rain Are you adressing me? I don't care where it takes place, I do think it would be cool and fun tho if you could hunt in other countries/ that has other folklore, if it goes along with the lore of the game.. As long as they keep adding new stuff i'll never stop playing this.

Hahah, are you sober fam? When did I ever mention anything about my feelings about hunting on American grounds? I was >asking< if it allways will take place in America? U seem mad bruv 😄 But you're asking what I would do IRL? No, I wouldn't say no just because it's America, I would say no because it's not worth it. You get 1500$ per toe or finger of a Swedish forest-troll when you kill one, so I would stay in Sweden since they pay me more and. Oh man why am I answering, so stupid >.< im tired aiit.

So to answer your question, no, I do not reeely feel like dat because it's a game we're talking about 😄 And who "sits around waiting" for 10 years because they wanna go back to killing zombies and demonspawn? Would you or what?

Wouldn't wait that long for anything to be honest. I bet at least the Swedish hunters have nice families they wanna spend time with instead of.. But lets say I really am a "hunter", brought to America from Sweden. For whatever reason it could be except the historically correct one about we Swedes emigrated

@slim hatch Word! I beg that they don't give in to the whole "PC-culture" and start adding stuff that clearly is just there because of todays society. Is it only me or is the major part of all grunts black with broken farmer-like clothes? I've noticed it and thought it was cool if they were supposed to be slaves.

tender sky Jul 31, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Unsure if this guy has been discussed- not sure if I missed anything?

slim hatch Jul 31, 2018, 7:07 AM

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Yeah we have discussed it.

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But he was merely 1st of many non-decayed corpses that came into the game.

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He still looks oddly in good shape compared to others but for now i think it might of been red-herring

slim hatch Jul 31, 2018, 8:07 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370142302196334593/447178926561951745/20180519002557_1.jpg

Refer to my post 19/05/18

tender sky Jul 31, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Any more corpses out there as of yet?

slim hatch Jul 31, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Plenty

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They also added some RNG to their spawn

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Creamtorium is one of the biggest RNG fests

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There is also Alice Farm corpses

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And then there is a tree guy one.... Nera Cyprus where Armored in the forest and Ammo box spawns

spark berry Jul 31, 2018, 1:14 PM

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wtf does lore mean somebody teach me

river aurora Jul 31, 2018, 2:42 PM

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I'm actually suprised this game has a community actively discussing lore, which is what I'm passionate about.

Also @spark berry
Lore is the games Universe/setting/story

primal yarrow Jul 31, 2018, 4:50 PM

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How recently did the sculptor attack when the hunters came

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Was it a couple of days? A week?

river rain Jul 31, 2018, 5:37 PM

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my guess is a couple days because there are wounded horses that have not died of dehydration, burning lamps still have oil, and fires on buildings and hay piles are still active. BUT that could all just be game mechanic stuff. @primal yarrow

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I do not know the cannon time for when the sculptor attached to the time the hunters showed up.

slim hatch Jul 31, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Yeah we don't know that unfortunately.

low sleet Jul 31, 2018, 7:36 PM

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I just want a deeper look to the lore

slim hatch Jul 31, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Then pinned posts is your starting point

hallow forge Aug 1, 2018, 2:25 PM

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multi team on this game !!!

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go fix pls

timber rock Aug 1, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Ummmm at the moment we do not know enough about the background lore to see if this would be a clash or not

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Does the Dark Sight potentially not just give them the ability to track the monsters but also absorb a bit of their power or just a bit of the power of things they kill which allows them to evolve, making them tougher, faster, more dexterous ect. Which we see in the form of perks ?

slim hatch Aug 1, 2018, 4:30 PM

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We don't have any grounds for it atm @timber rock Unfortunately

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@hallow forge Greetings welcome to the lore channel we have no indication that lore as such forbids Hunters to join arms during Hunt so you will have to wait until we have more lore to give you an answer on it.

zenith horizon Aug 1, 2018, 10:14 PM

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I wonder if the DSB and the lightning have anything to do with what they do with the bounty afterwards

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Maybe to power up their secret cult doom machine

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/s

lunar estuary Aug 1, 2018, 10:15 PM

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I mean your powers to see in the dank arent necessarily good

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So they might be being used for something bad

slim hatch Aug 1, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Supposedly Dark Sight

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Is one of the more basic abilities

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And even that takes a huge toll on the hunter

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As indicated by Lore writer in the QnA

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Refer to pinned post

lunar estuary Aug 1, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Oop

hallow forge Aug 2, 2018, 3:08 PM

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full camp on this game again and again

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gg

lunar estuary Aug 2, 2018, 3:09 PM

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SilenceThink

slim hatch Aug 2, 2018, 5:55 PM

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@hallow forge Unfortunately we don't have any lore that indicates camping as favourite pass time of the hunters so can't confirm or deny

lunar estuary Aug 2, 2018, 6:04 PM

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tbhfam

rotund ferry Aug 2, 2018, 10:09 PM

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isnt the lore simply just Teddy Roosevelt saying "shoot dem demons"

burnt storm Aug 2, 2018, 10:09 PM

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SHHHHH

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We pretend there's something to it Kappa

lunar estuary Aug 2, 2018, 10:10 PM

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goodnight

burnt storm Aug 2, 2018, 10:10 PM

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But actually, you can read in-game books and pinned stuff in this channel. There's not too much but there's some actual lore to this game @rotund ferry

rotund ferry Aug 2, 2018, 10:11 PM

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I did saw actually

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basically it was the pres noticing some changes with caniballistic people and worms coming out of the ground

cold badger Aug 3, 2018, 2:45 AM

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nah teddy roosevelt wasn't president yet

lunar estuary Aug 3, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Would be like ben Harrison

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Or McKinnly

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Wrong on both counts

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Shows my knowledge on us history lol

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Its Grover Cleveland

hushed meteor Aug 3, 2018, 3:21 AM

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where can I read this lore thing

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or where should i start this is pretty interesting to say the least

lunar estuary Aug 3, 2018, 3:27 AM

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It's in the library

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In game

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Also check pins here

slim hatch Aug 3, 2018, 7:42 AM

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I see a lot of new people here I'm pleasantly aroused.

vagrant glacier Aug 3, 2018, 11:54 AM

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I would like to know as much as possible as far as lore goes for the game and see if I can help out.

minor peak Aug 3, 2018, 11:58 AM

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@vagrant glacier For Hunters..

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"Hunters are the people who inherited or underwent a ritual in order to obtain the Dark Sight. Proved seasoned hunters (Tier III) seem to display symptoms of deterioration as a result of dark sight usage, visible traits are burns, lesions and discoloration of skin. A common claim among Hunters is that they are destined to hell.

The exact reasonings for hunt is unknown but it is implied through the lore texts that they are seeking the True Deck (Because it seems to tell their future) and the Salvation (Because they are destined to hell)."

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This is taken from my own guide.

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Most of what is mentioned is based from lore texts.

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Its pinned btw.

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For Monsters...

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"It is implied in some lore texts the fact that the people of the Lousiana Swamps enjoyed a normal lifestyle who worked in farms with the help of animals as evidenced from the presence of chickens in cages, the number of cornfields, etc. All these were soon to be changed when the demon infestation broke in, transforming most of the residents into grotesque monsters who attacked whoever did not transform, including the animals hence the presence of several dead horses and a few of wounded horses who are whining in pain to approaching Hunters.

In the initial outbreak, in the first reported cases the infected people were isolated and guarded by residents who were armed with crude weapons (torches, cleaver, etc). They were examined by Doctor Reed who believed that they should have headlocks attached on their heads as evidenced by a large number of Grunts who have headlocks on their heads. This experiment failed as even the armed residents were infected and transformed, hence the number of Grunts armed with cleavers and torches in their hands. Infected people slowly lost their feelings, thoughts or any other form of humanity left in them.

Response to this widespread outbreak in the swamps was catastrophic as even some residents armed themselves with firearms to fight back, an effort that quickly turned out to be futile as they were killed by rampaging monsters. Soon after, those incidents got isolated and covered up to prevent widespread panic and attention to the authorities, eventually sending out Hunters to kill and extract the bounty of the bosses by any means."

vagrant glacier Aug 3, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Thank you. This really helps

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So how was the outbreak spread? Was it kind of like a plague through the air or was it the more stereotypical "If they bite you or scratch you you are infected" type of thing?

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Also, what triggered the demon infestation in the first place?

slim hatch Aug 3, 2018, 12:30 PM

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We don't know yet.

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We don't know what starts incidents but we know they are reoccurring and at least in this one main culprit is an entity referred to as Sculptor

vagrant glacier Aug 3, 2018, 12:32 PM

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Ahhhh gotcha. I heard that name while reading through the pinned messages. Didn't quite understand it till now.

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Do you think that "The Sculptor" works by himself or is possibly part of a group of....things I guess you could say. If this is demonic in nature it would make sense to assume that Sculptor is a demon of some sort

lunar estuary Aug 3, 2018, 12:52 PM

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He could also be a human particularly skilled at summoning demons

vagrant glacier Aug 3, 2018, 12:57 PM

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It would make sense. In order for demons to run around and cause trouble they need someone who can summon them and such

hallow forge Aug 3, 2018, 1:50 PM

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OMG!

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stop the 4 TEAMS !!

vagrant glacier Aug 3, 2018, 1:51 PM

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Wrong chat mate

hallow forge Aug 3, 2018, 1:51 PM

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hm

vagrant glacier Aug 3, 2018, 1:52 PM

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This is Lore chat. Game chat is hunting grounds

hallow forge Aug 3, 2018, 1:52 PM

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ok

lunar estuary Aug 3, 2018, 1:52 PM

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4 teams are obviously lore

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How the hunters make impromptu alliances

vagrant glacier Aug 3, 2018, 1:53 PM

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Why not just make all the teams on the map allies then? Nothing would stand a chance

lunar estuary Aug 3, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Forgot the /s

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Lol

river rain Aug 3, 2018, 3:19 PM

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@vagrant glacier nothing says a demon needs someone to summon them in order to cause trouble. And I am very confident that the sculptor is not a human. The AHA seems very well resourced and competent. If it was simply a human, i don't think it would be such a problem. Find him, kill him, clean up the pets. That and some of the entrys in the Louisiana events books i believe point to the sculptor as an entity and not a person.

shrewd lichen Aug 3, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Can someone explain to me what clues are supposed to be? In terms of in game lore. You're blessed/cursed with the ability to see them from a distance. Are they something that the boss left behind?

faint whale Aug 3, 2018, 4:07 PM

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are all the guns in the game based on actual guns or are some fictional

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also im assuming that since clues are basically holes covered by brittle glass then they literally allow you to glimpse into another dimension but how do the clues appear where they appear id be interested in knowing that as well

lunar estuary Aug 3, 2018, 4:08 PM

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All the guns have historical basis

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The automat is based on the huot automatic rifle

river aurora Aug 3, 2018, 8:01 PM

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For the most part, yeah. Most of the guns are real to an extent, the only issue with some guns being considered anachronistic to the time period unless the game takes place in 1902 (Browning Auto 5 was made during then)
And while the Automat is based on the Huot, it is however ingame an automatic mosin nagant, which hasn't been done. So it's semi-realistic.

Also noted that certain guns aren't near-replicas such as the Caldwell Conversion Pistol. Which has traits from many firearms, such as the Octagonal barrel from the Colt 1851 Navy Conversion, and the loading gate similar to the SAA.

cold badger Aug 3, 2018, 8:07 PM

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guess thats just how the caldwell company did things

lunar estuary Aug 3, 2018, 8:11 PM

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A lot pseudo realistic weapons in hunt

woven crater Aug 3, 2018, 8:38 PM

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So I've been wondering; is the bloodline feature a part of the lore or purely just a levelling mechanic? Wouldn't it be cool if DS was handed down the family trees?

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Maybe the ritual to gain it could be something like a joining into a family, a bloodline, if you will

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Dunno these are just headcanons mostly

obsidian frigate Aug 3, 2018, 8:40 PM

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That would be super cool if DS was acquired through ritual

woven crater Aug 3, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Nanatsu no Taizai-style demon blood-drinking 🤔

obsidian frigate Aug 3, 2018, 8:42 PM

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is that an anime?

fathom badge Aug 3, 2018, 8:44 PM

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I would like to think bloodline is your hunting family/organization's reputation

woven crater Aug 3, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Oh damn organization is a pretty good term

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How about initiation into a family being the DS-getting ritual

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What role would that put us, the one hiring the hunters, in, though

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Woah how about

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A government official hiring Hunters

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Since we've got all the info in the books

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Like the headlines and reports 'n stuff

lunar estuary Aug 3, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Kekkai sensen blood powers

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Gib

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Lol

timber rock Aug 3, 2018, 11:31 PM

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i think by the way the hunter seem to be in lore bits we know

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that they are very lose based bunch

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with very little central oversight

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because one the snippets in the lore paint one of the hunters as just being someone who gets off on hunting other people

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but he must have the dark vision though

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so i am guessing maybe other hunters can give other hunters the dark vision and as long as they are decent with a gun and willing to go into these little hell holes the American hunters Association doesnt really care

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or maybe only the assocaition can give you the dark sight but as long as you are willing to kill monsters they dont care about yout charcter

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so i think Association is a good term cuz they are more like Associates than a proper organisation

vagrant glacier Aug 4, 2018, 12:19 AM

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@river rain that's a fair point but at the same time you have to consider that, if we are going off of regular demon shenanigans based off of Christianity, then someone needs to give them permission to assault the Earth.

river aurora Aug 4, 2018, 12:27 AM

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Has anyone ever figured out what the Gramaphone is singing when you play certain ones scattered around the map?

I only have a very minimal knowledge of other languages apart from English and it doesn't help that it's Opera music.

slim hatch Aug 4, 2018, 1:34 AM

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@vagrant glacier Thing is we aren't

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Refer to pinned posts

vagrant glacier Aug 4, 2018, 1:41 AM

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My mistake

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So for now Sculptor is leaning towards being a demon rather then a human.

slim hatch Aug 4, 2018, 2:06 AM

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No no

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It is 100% an entity

vagrant glacier Aug 4, 2018, 2:18 AM

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I don't mean to sound like an idiot but what's the difference?

woven crater Aug 4, 2018, 6:01 AM

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Inb4 they're all cosplayers

slim hatch Aug 4, 2018, 9:13 AM

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@vagrant glacier Difference is Demon refer to a specific type of mythological creatures entity is creature of unknown origin, type, nature

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Demons have common weaknesses and traits entities don’t as they don’t fit any of the categories

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And it was stated that it’s more of a two world colliding not a classical “some goth killed a virgin goat fucked up ritual and demon is roaming free”

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So you could say Devil is in the details? Pun intended

vagrant glacier Aug 4, 2018, 9:42 AM

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Ahhh good one good one.

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Ayet, thanks for the explanation

river aurora Aug 4, 2018, 2:35 PM

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So I did a little digging on the origins on the Tier 3 hunter variant which gives the impression of being a Union/Confederate Cavalry unit.

Now, what really gets me though is that I can't give a definitive answer on if it's a confederate or union uniform since it's too dark for me to distinguish if it's Blue or Grey.

Also searching for Union/Confederate Cavalry hat presents the same results of the Black hat with the lapel of the crossed sabres.

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🤔

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Also if you're playing as this guy and you're not using the Cavalry sabre. Smh.

minor peak Aug 4, 2018, 3:00 PM

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It is evidented that Tiers 3 are kind of veterans.

slim hatch Aug 4, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Not all

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Some

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But it's just part of customization

river aurora Aug 4, 2018, 3:21 PM

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That or some schmoe from the AHA repurposed the uniform for how much utility it has?

regal ingot Aug 4, 2018, 4:06 PM

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@minor peak There is a T2 variant as well that wears the clothing of a civil war veteran. I don't have one in my stable right now so I can't be specific, but I believe he has on corporal chevrons. The uniform isn't as dirty so it should be able to make out the side, but although I think it's grey my usual partner swears it's blue.

minor peak Aug 4, 2018, 4:06 PM

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Oh yeah.

regal ingot Aug 4, 2018, 4:14 PM

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With it looking like hunters from other associations from around the world are coming to Louisiana for the hunt it would be cool to see some of them have uniform pieces from other countries veterens as well. A few well known contenders that would likely include veterans from nationalities we see in hunt could be the Franco-Prussian War (1870-1871), Russo-Turkish War (1877-1878), Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878-1880), Anglo-Zulu War (1879-1879), and the First Boer War (1880-1881).

lunar estuary Aug 4, 2018, 4:43 PM

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I love this

woven crater Aug 4, 2018, 5:42 PM

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I love you 😌

lunar estuary Aug 4, 2018, 5:57 PM

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PogChamp

low sleet Aug 4, 2018, 6:29 PM

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hntb

graceful rose Aug 4, 2018, 8:42 PM

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@river aurora the grammophone plays "After The Ball"

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actually it is only the refrain

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After the ball is over,
After the break of morn –
After the dancers' leaving;
After the stars are gone;
Many a heart is aching,
If you could read them all;
Many the hopes that have vanished,
After the ball.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_the_Ball_(song)

After the Ball (song)

After the Ball is a popular song written in 1891 by Charles K. Harris. The song is a classic waltz in 3/4 time. In the song, an uncle tells his niece why he has never married. He saw his sweetheart kissing another man at a ball, and he refused to listen to her explanation....

vagrant glacier Aug 4, 2018, 9:05 PM

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@river aurora Question. Did you by chance take a look at the insignia on the front of the hat? I swear I've seen that on Union soldiers before but not on the Confederate uniforms.

graceful rose Aug 4, 2018, 9:49 PM

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I would guess Union as it seemed while reading the lore book in hunt that the hunters are more like operating in the north like in Chicago and New York and are now comming to the south to hunt.
And it seems more blueish to me in game.

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@vagrant glacier the insignia can be found on both, north and south hats

rotund ferry Aug 4, 2018, 10:48 PM

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@graceful rose After this ... I will ask for a valtzer to my mate next time we play this music in game, hopefully he\she will be open minded to accept the joke for a few seconds. (yeah seriously)

graceful rose Aug 4, 2018, 10:58 PM

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😄

vagrant glacier Aug 5, 2018, 12:17 AM

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@graceful rose ahhh gotcha.

regal ingot Aug 5, 2018, 12:54 AM

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@vagrant glacier Yeah, Horsedancingwithcrow is correct. That symbol was on both Union and Confederate hats. Crossed sabers marks the wearer as cavalry.

slim hatch Aug 5, 2018, 11:08 AM

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@regal ingot While it’s a nice piece of world building ultimately i think it will be covered in the wider hunter appearance variation.

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Introducing more different equipment will only allow us to verify that indeed other associations are aware of incident and indeed hunters are pulling for it from across the world.

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So yeah 😐 not much one can get out of the lore by looking at the outfits

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Other than confirming that the game is taking part indeed in 1890’s.

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Which we already know

kindred kettle Aug 5, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Are the monsters even from hell, because they look to be humanoid and even resemble humans in terms of sound.

river aurora Aug 5, 2018, 1:02 PM

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@slim hatch
But does the game actually take place in the 1890's or not? Because the latest gun in Hunt Showdown in the Browning Auto-5 which was made in 1902.

So either some guns are made before said time period for the purpose of gun variation or the game takes place in 1902? Which is it, I personally don't know.

Not here to argue over it, but genuinely something that has been keeping me up at night, no joke.

slim hatch Aug 5, 2018, 1:04 PM

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Game takes place in 1895

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Thats confirmed

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Devs took liberty and adjusted the weapon releases

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Dolch is prototype i assume CK is too

random lava Aug 5, 2018, 1:05 PM

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browning auto5 was made 1898

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game takes place in 1895

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Auto-5

Browning Auto-5

The Browning Automatic 5, most often Auto-5 or simply A-5, is a recoil-operated semi-automatic shotgun designed by John Browning. It was the first successful semi-automatic shotgun design, and remained in production until 1998. The name of the shotgun designates that it is an...

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well designed anyway

kindred kettle Aug 5, 2018, 1:06 PM

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Could be a prototype

minor peak Aug 5, 2018, 1:15 PM

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I mean, guns dont really have to be made in 1895 or before that.

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It can be guns made in 1900 or even 1910.

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Cei Rigotti for example.

slim hatch Aug 5, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Yeah true

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It’s alt earth not our earth

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I think i broke that down once before

cold badger Aug 5, 2018, 2:36 PM

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yeah the tech is slightly bumped up

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which is why electricity is already so widespread

regal ingot Aug 5, 2018, 2:57 PM

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@kindred kettle Most of the monsters are not from Hell. From what has been revealed through the journals and lore snippets an entity called a sculptor has taken hold in this community. It's not the first time it has happened, but this one seems special in the sense that it can influence/infect/sculpt more than one person. It's influence may or may not be spread through a form of moth and there is definately an insect theme going on. Grunts were at one time human, but now obviously are something that resembles what we would most associate as zombies (I wouldn't call them that though, just a reference). Armored were also humans, possibly grunts that have continued to evolve. Their armor is very much like a wasp nest and when you knife off their leg armor you can clearly see bony human feet and legs underneath. Hives seem to have become a nest for these supernatural wasps and based on how they attack when the hive sees you and they all die off when you kill her I would sepeculate she acts as the hives queen as well. Meatheads are bloated humans infested with leaches and I would argue that the Butcher is a further evolution of the meathead. The spider of course has a diesfigured human head and in the original artwork the spiders legs were abcenely bent human legs. The only thing that doesn't fit is the Hell Hounds. Since no other animals are changed or infected currently, to included the penned dogs, I would argue that the Hell Hounds are exactly what their namesake suggests, hounds from Hell. This makes some sense in that they are by far the most intelligent AI in the game.

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The infection/influence seems to take some time to take hold to full transformation. Their is a diary about a doctor treating the sick. Speculation is the iron masks on some grunts were placed there to keep them from biting their caregivers. One deseaced being dissected there was found nothing but moths inside his body cavity. So short answer, yes. Most of the monsters in Hunt were once human.

wheat estuary Aug 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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I would love (and I'm sure he will be) if the Sculptor was a boss someeday.

topaz roost Aug 5, 2018, 6:04 PM

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What you guys think about putting a skinwalker/wendigo like boss that stalk and hunt other players in the match?

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Or using the concept that @regal ingot said, why not something like a 'moth man' kind of stalking creature that you can hear the howl from miles away.

vagrant glacier Aug 5, 2018, 7:11 PM

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@regal ingot ayyyy that's a pretty good summary.
@topaz roost that would be a neat idea but I could also see some problems. If there is just one on the map then would it be kind of like a mini-boss or something?

topaz roost Aug 5, 2018, 8:05 PM

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@vagrant glacier Yes, he could be a mini boss, and it would be interesting if he were a blind creature, who is drawn entirely by sound, even by movement, even crouched.

And if you're not blind, at least have a bad view and that might or may not appear randomly somewhere on the map.

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*if it were not

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It would be interesting if he were prowling around the map, and attracted by loud sounds like grenades and dynamites, maybe that would leave players thinking well before using these items.

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Something like this, running at you full speed screaming would be terrifying.

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regal ingot Aug 5, 2018, 8:25 PM

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I originally was against the Wendigo because I felt it didn't fit the lore, but after consideration and looking up various depictions of it my basic understanding is that it was originally a human that no matter how much it ate it could never satisfy its hunger, always feeding and yet always starving. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to imagine that a scultor created something similar at one time that became embedded in Native American folklore.

topaz roost Aug 5, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Well, someone has to "defend" the sculptor's creations, why not something like that?

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Because currently the only real problem of hunters, are other hunters ..

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Maybe some parameters for the appearance of this type thing would be interesting.
On servers with many tier 3 players for example.
In terms of lore, I think it would be quiet enough to fit a skinwalker or wendigo into Hunt.

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*quite

rocky bloom Aug 5, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Found this image online of a freaky wendigo

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faint whale Aug 5, 2018, 9:33 PM

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not that freaky looking, too much goat

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too much pan / baphomet inspiration

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they should keep to the silent hill type of theme with their monster designs

kindred kettle Aug 6, 2018, 8:59 AM

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I think a wendigo would be a good target boss

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would make great use of decoys if it is attracted by sound

minor peak Aug 6, 2018, 9:01 AM

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This is lore discussion.

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Not suggestion.

kindred kettle Aug 6, 2018, 9:01 AM

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the real question is, would wendigos exist

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we know that most of the monsters are humanoid, and are definitely human based due to their physique and features. however a wendigo is born from the act of cannibalism

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it may be that a wendigo could diagetically exist in the universe of hunt, unless it follows basic wendigo rules like "cannibalism = wendigo"

minor peak Aug 6, 2018, 9:07 AM

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No lore texts about Wendigos.

slim hatch Aug 6, 2018, 9:08 AM

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^

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Indeed we have no info on Wendigos.

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We could argue in favor of Witches based on Gilded Age but we don't even know if Gilded Age lore has any place in Showdown lore.

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As we don't have any confirmation or info that would tie the scrapped project to current one

kindred kettle Aug 6, 2018, 9:20 AM

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Well we know they use nicknames for monsters, like Armored and Grunts even though that probably isnt what they're scientifically classified as. There might be a monster that resembles a wendigo in movement and attack called a wendigo?

minor peak Aug 6, 2018, 9:29 AM

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Armored because the guy got grown armor plates around.

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Grunts because they are brainless fools.

vagrant glacier Aug 6, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Hmmm. If it's based on cannibalism then couldn't one of the wheezers (infected wandering around the map) make a good lore excuse. Maybe one wasn't quite dead yet but had the urge to eat.

sinful trout Aug 6, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Anybody read the trials of doctor Reed? I've been thinking about it wondering if he's "the butcher" only because when you kill the butcher and banish him he starts swarming with moths and it mentions that Reed occasionally coughed up moths, and sketched some leech blood (and we all know the butcher is basically one big meathead)

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And has anyone found where he and the 13 other survivors held out? I've counted mattresses but I have no idea how many slept on one mattress. I know there was a couple of children so I've looked for an abundance of mattresses with dolls nearby

rotund ferry Aug 6, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Steamy Cards out, lot of lore talks out there also checking back to blogs of months and months away.

sinful trout Aug 6, 2018, 10:57 AM

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My closest guess was still water bend

slim hatch Aug 6, 2018, 11:14 AM

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@sinful trout We have an assumption that he is probably Spider but it's an unverified one.

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In the end He was chopping own limbs off and theoretically he had enough spare parts to stitch them to himself and with help of sculptor survive and transform

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Butcher is a single bloated corpse Spider isn't at least by the looks of it

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But it's an unverified common theory we have in Hardcore

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 12:25 PM

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Yea, I think the card contain somekind of lore @rotund ferry , this is what I have:

Roots of Darkness
"...and I've found it was impossible to go back. We had to burn the roots."

Bone Decoration
"He was just lying there in a morbid silence, showing us the way."

old vessel Aug 6, 2018, 12:47 PM

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"...then I knew she would rise. These walking hives we had to kill twice."

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"I was too late. There was no trace of Dr. Winkler or Father Nico."

slim hatch Aug 6, 2018, 1:06 PM

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@mellow jetty @old vessel Listed it all in #lore-discussion-hardcore along with images Feel free to use it as a reference

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 1:07 PM

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Awesome! Thanks @slim hatch

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 1:29 PM

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@slim hatch I don't have acess to #lore-discussion-hardcore

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The gates from your picture has nothing to do with a lore. However, there are gates between our world and other world. You have two types - stable and unstable gates.

slim hatch Aug 6, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Wait then what gates is it referring to?

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Game mehanic

slim hatch Aug 6, 2018, 1:34 PM

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@mellow jetty Because the gates you're now talking about by writers were referred to as portals.

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 1:34 PM

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I would assume

slim hatch Aug 6, 2018, 1:34 PM

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That's the thing

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It's an unusual term for Game mechanic

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That's why it's under question

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 1:35 PM

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As for the Dark Sight, there are multiple times devs said: "Welcome to the second circle". In the AHA there's the concept of circles. When you become a member you are the 1st circle. That means you're nothing and you can't use DS. You can only become a hunter when you are in the second circle.

slim hatch Aug 6, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Well there are also circles of hell

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I'd need something more solid to go off from

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Like a lore text

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Or Writer's QnA

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Like we did before

sinful trout Aug 6, 2018, 3:10 PM

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It is possible that the djinn mentioned in the last qna is what Reed turned into. As we have no idea and the references to both the spider and butcher could just be false trails

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Highly unlikely but still a possability

sinful trout Aug 6, 2018, 5:46 PM

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@mellow jetty I was expecting so many answers from that qna and all I got was more questions. DAMN YOU

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Damn, that I am.

sinful trout Aug 6, 2018, 5:51 PM

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If I ask you something

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Will you answer me honestly

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 5:53 PM

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That is the only thing we can do.

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No matter how confusing it may sound, it is always an honest answer.

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 6:10 PM

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@sinful trout Ask away

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 6:34 PM

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So there's a lot of

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'As Above, So Below' symbolism in Hunt

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lots of subtle occult themes

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specifically with the logo: Two crosses, one inverted one upright

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conveniently in the shape of an 'H'

lunar estuary Aug 6, 2018, 6:35 PM

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I wouldnt say an upside down cross is exactly subtle

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 6:36 PM

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well yeah that's one of the most overt exmples

lunar estuary Aug 6, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Ofc

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 6:36 PM

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and when Rehab was saying in the hardcore lore thread about a 'source'

lunar estuary Aug 6, 2018, 6:36 PM

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I didnt even notice it was an H until like last week...

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 6:36 PM

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he said something about being spoken to from within, its too dark, they lead him, etc

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is there some kind of theme here with the Microcosm and Macrocosm?

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where the Hunt in the bayou relates to one's inner journey and fighting one's own demons?

lunar estuary Aug 6, 2018, 6:37 PM

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The hunters do some shady stuff to get the dark sight and it fucks them up physically by using it too

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 6:38 PM

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like ingesting (extraterrestrial) parasites?

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bit of a stretch theory-wise

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I dunno I love this kind of stuff

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I feel like they're trying to do something along the lines of the stories from the Soulsborne games with the vagueness of the narration

lunar estuary Aug 6, 2018, 6:39 PM

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It's a ritual apparently

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But the whole thing is souls esq

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Are there any other sources we can access aside from the Desk of a Hunter and the other stuff on the official website?

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I'd like to do some Lore spelunking and I feel like I've already exhausted the available resources

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at least the ones that are outside the game itself

lunar estuary Aug 6, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Tarot cards when

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 6:47 PM

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^ "when" being the operative word

full fog Aug 6, 2018, 6:51 PM

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boys, is there any summary of the lore so far?

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Until the Books hit the game there is not that much.

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There is something on the steam cards :p

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 6:51 PM

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NYEEHHG guess I'll have to wait until I'm home from work to dig into those

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is there a translation of the German entry from the book about the "Louisiana Event" anywhere?

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I don't speak german

mellow jetty Aug 6, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Figure responsible for fashioning and maintaining the physical universe. Connections?

📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

sinful trout Aug 6, 2018, 8:13 PM

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@mellow jetty has the human name of the butcher or the spider been noted anywhere in the current available lore entries?

finite steeple Aug 6, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Isn't the spider technically pultiple people?

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I always thought those additional limbs where from others

sinful trout Aug 6, 2018, 8:43 PM

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@mellow jetty /don't ignore me/

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I KNOW you're there

obsidian frigate Aug 6, 2018, 8:48 PM

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we got some Gnostic themes going on...

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I like it

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lots of implications with the Demiurge

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So is the Louisiana Event a product of the Demiurge's rage at his imperfect creation?

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and he's sent the "plague" as an attempt to "clean up his mess"?

vagrant glacier Aug 6, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Damn I love the lore to this game. Everytime I think I'm getting close to figuring something out it opens up a whole new level of questions and pieces of information I need to get

rotund ferry Aug 7, 2018, 12:09 AM

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And its not even hardcore lore

lunar estuary Aug 7, 2018, 12:10 AM

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Its souls type lore right now at least

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Very limited

elfin ridge Aug 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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^best type of lore

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imo

fathom badge Aug 7, 2018, 2:05 AM

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less souls type and more in mystery

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cause the souls had (assumedly) the whole sotry there, just hard to find

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and piece together

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currently I believe a lot of the hunt lore hasn't been released yet

blissful shadow Aug 7, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Alright, can anyone summarize the lore of this game??

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Haven't kept up from the beginning so no idea

rough compass Aug 7, 2018, 3:02 AM

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Are theory’s aloud in here?

vagrant glacier Aug 7, 2018, 5:52 AM

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@blissful shadow check the pinned messages

blissful shadow Aug 7, 2018, 5:52 AM

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alright

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 6:56 AM

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@sinful trout I never ignore a hunter. Had to go over my notes. At this moment I don't have knowledge that can help you.

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But tell me something, why do you think that they are of one human?

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Just look at that spider, do you think one person is enough material for something like that?

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 9:29 AM

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Are you saying Spider is made up more than 2 people!?!? But there is only one face!

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 9:34 AM

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@sinful trout
Q: It is possible that the djinn mentioned in the last qna is what Reed turned into. As we have no idea and the references to both the spider and butcher could just be false trails
Highly unlikely but still a possability

A: The word djinn... It would be better not to get attached to the words too much. Check who calls it a djinn...

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 9:49 AM

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@minor peak he's got a point. Not one person has nearly enough material to make the spider. And we've established that parts can grow (based on butcher) it could very well be 2 people. Was anyone else alive still with Reed when he began to turn?

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 9:49 AM

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There is another Doctor according to trading cards..

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"I was too late. There was no trace of Dr. Winkler or Father Nico."

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Dr. Winkler.

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Maybe Doctors became Spider?

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Or it's possible that he arrived to find the spider. (There was no trace of Dr Winkler or father Nico) maybe Winkler went insane just as Reed did and used Nico for spare parts

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Also can someone leave me a link to the abdulaziz letter?

random lava Aug 7, 2018, 9:56 AM

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2people = 8 limbs smarthunt

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 9:58 AM

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@random lava that's what I'm thinking

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Perfect amount of limbs. Accurate enough body size

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Interesting theory

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 10:27 AM

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@mellow jetty can you link me the abdulaziz letter please?

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 10:30 AM

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I can't. At work away from PC. Sorry.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 10:31 AM

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That's fine :)

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 10:52 AM

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And has anybody else noticed on the desk of a hunter the circles note, it looks exactly like an eclipse

vagrant glacier Aug 7, 2018, 11:16 AM

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When I looked at the Spider when it was dead it really did seem like there was more then one pair of "borrowed" human legs and arms. I would think that multiple people were involved in making the Spider

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 11:43 AM

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📎 unknown.png

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 11:44 AM

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Stop.

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I just ate, ffs.

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 11:45 AM

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huntSpider

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 11:50 AM

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So...

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How does a person become hive?

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According to my guide...

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"It looks like a person possessed by some kind of insect spirit turned the body into a hive itself. According to Dr. Reed during the autopsy, the body, two hours after its death, contained only moths (insects) and no organs. It is unknown how the transformation was done but it seems like the chest exploded into a nest full of toxic insects, leaving the upper torso hanging to the left."

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I think a trailer shows the chest exploding into a nest but it is kind of shown off-screen and very very brief.

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 12:32 PM

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"It looks like a person possessed by some kind of insect spirit turned the body into a hive itself. <----- WAT

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 12:50 PM

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Thats what wikia said. 🤔

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Wiki is human written

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And to my mind nobody in Hardcore deals with wiki

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So it might be head-canon since i don't recall coming across that

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:21 PM

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@minor peak there's a reference to the hives in one of the letters. Something about they knew she would rise. These hives that we had to kill twice. Maybe it has something to do with the virus getting into the lungs of someone? To be fair lungs (if dried) could make a good basis to a wasp nest

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:22 PM

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Hive required two shots to die, apparently.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Yeah but you get my point right? I think that's a good starting point on becoming a hive

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Hmmm.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Keep in mind the whole "had to kill twice" could reference to actually killing a human (or grunt) and they transformed after

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Lungs going dry, allowing for moths to settle inside the chest.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:23 PM

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As in 2 lives

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Forming a wasp nest.

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Then as the wasp nest grows, the chest explodes?

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:24 PM

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Something like that

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But you ahve to wonder. How come the wasps only follow the hives command? The hive seems to be controlling them, because they only attack you if the head sees you. And they stop attacking once the hive dies.

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:27 PM

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Are you ref. to the steam card Drowned Maid?

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:27 PM

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I am yes

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:28 PM

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I see. That one contains one more secret.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Oh?

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:29 PM

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It is in a way easter egg

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Apparently the hive can even hear you.

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As it can launch a swarm of insects in distance without it actually seeing you.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Is it the thing to the lower right corner by the barn looking like a hive?

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:30 PM

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See you through the eyes of the other?

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:31 PM

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I think it's no different than a grunt hearing you Sprint. But seriously. Why do the wasps over the hives brain?

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:31 PM

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📎 hhh..PNG

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This?

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:31 PM

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Yeah that

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I doubt that's the Easter egg

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:32 PM

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idk but it seems like a broken tree that caught on fire.

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:32 PM

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Its only a tree imo. That is not easter egg

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Figured. 😄

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Maybe it is the text? Part of it? 👀

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Tree part of the text?

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Nah, forget the tree.

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Drowned Maid.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Hahaha

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The hives all wear maids clothes. Is that what you're refferring to?

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Yeah, all hives wear maid clothes.

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That is unless there are... male hives?

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Or perhaps....

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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I haven't seen any

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Only women can be hives????????

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I mean, look at this.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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I thought that before

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Women can birth babies.

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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On my journey I did not stumbleupon male hive.

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Therefore they can "birth" insects?

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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That's a stretch

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Oh boy, there are no male hive lol.

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:35 PM

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I did not say that, only that I seen none.

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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Hmm.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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Perhaps the wasps are actually milk bees

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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I really suspect that only women can be hives.

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Because like I said.

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Women can birth babies.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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I do as well

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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The ester egg is the name of the card. That is correct. But what is the connection to our world?

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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Maybe they can "birth" insects too?

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One thing is sure, insects didnt come from the lakes.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:36 PM

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Please tell me it's not the song

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I'll be very sad if the Easter egg is nothing but a song lyric

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Hmmm

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Drowned Maid..

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Hmmm

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:37 PM

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It's more like a maid got drowned and..

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I mean..

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:37 PM

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The song you say 😉

shrewd lichen Aug 7, 2018, 1:37 PM

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📎 book_of_mormon.jpg

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📎 IMG_20180806_220309.jpg

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:37 PM

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It's impossible the insects can fly in the water lol.

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Song, smh.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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THATS ALL IT IS

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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What @mellow jetty Might be referencing to is the wet-stool torture for witches

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Also

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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THE BIG EASTER EGG YOU AHD ME SO HYPED FOR IS A SONG BY AN UNDERGROUND BAND?

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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Wet-stool?

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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Hahaha

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You guys are awesome! ❤

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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That's not funny @mellow jetty

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 1:38 PM

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Stop seeding confusion... We are trying to focus on piecing the lore together not adding more doubt and clutter....

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Yeah, we are awesome when we are tired of you not telling us the exact words about something. 😭

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Amorphis - Drowned Maid

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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@mellow jetty I'll hunt you, I'll kill you, I'll abuse your body and I'll kill you again

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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JESUS CHRIST

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HOW COULD YOU

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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I'll feed it to Spider.

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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@slim hatch That is kinda .... Evil... But then again LOVE is EVOL.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:39 PM

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No

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Enough with the song references

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:40 PM

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Songs, ew.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:40 PM

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Leave 8mile out of this

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:40 PM

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Well yeah, the name of the card is ref. to the Amorphis - Drowned Maid song.

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That is your Easter egg

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:40 PM

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Uninteresting.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 1:40 PM

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💔

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:40 PM

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I thought it was an easter egg towards how the f-- women became the hives!!

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:41 PM

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I never said that other info is incorect or correct.

tropic pagoda Aug 7, 2018, 1:41 PM

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they ded -> hive

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I think

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just a theory

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:41 PM

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It is very intresting to follow the theory you guys I have.

tropic pagoda Aug 7, 2018, 1:41 PM

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I know, it's deep

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:41 PM

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I still suspect that uh..

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:41 PM

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I'm ofc archiving all of this for later use.

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:41 PM

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If Women can birth babies, then they can "birth" insects.

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Thus why they become the hive.

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 1:47 PM

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I can feel you distance yourself from me... Did not appreciate that easter egg that much...

My blood runs cold... It is the time. I go meditate on my chair and listen to them... Maybe they will guide to the answers you are seeking.

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 1:50 PM

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And then we will have full questions about where did that water devil come from..

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 1:57 PM

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@mellow jetty Stop sowing confusion and throwing us off tracks!

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@minor swallow Slap the bitch!

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 2:02 PM

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😄

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 3:37 PM

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@mellow jetty you can regain our trust by answering how women become hives.

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@minor peak actually now that I think of it. I've never seen a female grunt

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@minor peak but how's the whole birth babies birthing insects related... I don't understand

karmic crescent Aug 7, 2018, 3:56 PM

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@sinful trout it's obvious queen parasite infects lady births soldiers builds hive ta da

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Ha flipping ha

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:11 PM

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@slim hatch Sorry to disappoint you but there is a massive amount of respect between the two @minor swallow . Multiple reasons as to why is that. Unfortunately, your slap request will go directly to the trash can. But don't worry I still huntSpider you.

@sinful trout Flipping some papers, flipping some books.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:12 PM

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@mellow jetty thank you :D

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 4:13 PM

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:3

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 4:13 PM

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@mellow jetty As i said I don’t know if i fucking hate you or love you. You’re Not a solution you’re a torment! A tease! A deceiver!

minor peak Aug 7, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Calm down woman, wtf.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Wait.... @slim hatch I think rehab is dissapointed he's not getting slapped "unfortunately your slap request will go right to the garbage"

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@slim hatch DONT BE MEAN TO @mellow jetty HE MIGHT BE ANSWERING ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS. DONT SPOOK THE BIRDS

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:15 PM

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You can't slap the prophet, I'm guarded by them. That is the reason why I'm still alive even after so much traveling and hunting.

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Problem is I can’t verify his words other than trust, so I can’t make a claim as I can’t back it up

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:16 PM

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He said he will alsways be truthful

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Which means he might be speaking truth

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He might be full of shit

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:17 PM

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His messages may be cryptic but it just means we have to work to understand them

slim hatch Aug 7, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Yeah you see cryptic messages don’t allow deductions either

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As they are up for interpretation

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Which can send us off academic track toward wild speculations

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And that is as good as claiming god exists because there is no proof it doesn’t.

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There is no source to verify it would add up at least if he gave us solid lore piece give a hint that we can later verify with the writers

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But he doesn’t

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And it irritates

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Not up for interpretation. There's only one answer to his cryptic B.S we just have to take more guesses and less facts. Since we don't have a whole lot of static lore it will have to change over time

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My guess is he asks mods and crytek if he can release info and they just tell him he can hint at it but can't use them as a source

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:24 PM

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There is something Blue Plain mention yesterday. When I show up, from nowhere.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:25 PM

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What did he mention?

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Rehab was the first ever Hunt Showdown Moderator. He could ask for some lore information but I do not know exactly what information he has researched himself. I trust him personally.

lunar estuary Aug 7, 2018, 4:26 PM

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duh

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:27 PM

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And you saw that most of the time I write in funny ways right? Referring to something as "they" "the voices"

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Yeah

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Its all part of the story, to make it a more interesting. I can't toss all the answers to your face. I,we,they want to know what do you think, how is everything connected.
For example the Hive theory you crafted today. That is something.

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:29 PM

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Well it's based off of a bit of biology and stuff I've noticed in game and through the cards

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I'm really really interested in this lore

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:29 PM

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I can see that 😃

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:30 PM

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But have you an answer to my question? What happens physically to the bodies of the women as they turn into hives?

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Also about the source I did explain to you in a funny way why I can't tell you.

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Time will come, and you'll see I speak the truth.

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@slim hatch

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Do the moths themselves turn into wasps and form on the lungs of the hives? Or does the virus simply create a comfortable atmosphere inside the hives for the wasps

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:32 PM

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For now, I don't have the answer to your question and theory. I'm looking through the books... Aka waiting for a answer 😛

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Gotcha. Well, when the voices speak. Let us know

mellow jetty Aug 7, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Sometimes "they" need a bit of time... We have to be in sync,

sinful trout Aug 7, 2018, 4:35 PM

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I do have one question

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A vague one

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You should be able to answer. Yes or no