Googles how to refund steam game after 300 hours of playtime
#lore-discussion
plush trout
slim hatch
joins just for sake of it not planning to refund
burnt storm
I don't have any screenshots but hive can be very attractive in certain.. positions..
rotund ferry
@burnt storm your assuming everyone one here is a lesbian
burnt storm
The fact that I'm not attracted to men doesn't prevent me from understanding that some men are attractive 
But yeah, lore.. is promising, right?
river rain
...
rotund ferry
@remote igloo Trolls cant be counted out
minor peak
@slim hatch Another concern. How come AHA would allow Female Hunters to hunt?
I dont think women had a lot rights in 1890, I might be wrong.
slim hatch
AHA seems to be color blind as well
1895 blacks had barely any rights
Yet
Plenty of black hunters
Referring to the part it’s a gift passed by lineage it’s safe to assume they care about you having the gift more than they care about your colour or what’s between your legs
Or it’s just Crytek trying to be PC
Thus no sexism and no racism allowed
@minor peak do you accept such answer?
minor peak
Well yes.
Sure.
I can take that uh.. If you have the gift then you are highly respected.
slim hatch
AHA isn’t about respect
Considering it’s full of unpleasant people
It’s the gift and skill/potential that matters the most
minor peak
I see.
rotund ferry
who is Jacob Ortiz Sullivan?
brisk stone
that content is amazing!!
high helm
seems lovecraftian... but that could be said about most kinds of tentacle monsters
remote igloo
Protip: Those things aren't the monster, they are running from the monster 😄
plush trout
Yikes
cold badger
Wonder if theres a way to kill it?
burnt storm
Well, probably yes
It’s pretty hard to tell if this is just a bunch of separate leeches or if it has some sort of “core” to it
remote igloo
I wish you could dynamite it out of the water 😦
Also, if you sticky bomb a palyers leg, and they jump in the water, does that diffuse it? 😄
hot bridge
rotund ferry
OK BOYS JUST GOT BACK FROM HIGH SCHOOL
WHAT THE ABSOLOUTE FUCK
ok
first thing'
with the kraken
it supports the blood theory
too
and called sticky bombs 😃
burnt storm
The Water Devil: Hunt is getting a new monster in the Water Devil, a wormy, tentacled thing that attacks players in swamps and bayous. It is gross. I do not like it.
burnt storm
Now we know the name
rotund ferry
and worms eat decayed bodies
im calling it the dildo 9000
when is this stuff releasing
burnt storm
Yeah the famous swamp octopus 
rotund ferry
oh yea i love water now
burnt storm
No eta yet tho
slim hatch
I'm aroused, wet, disturbed and I want more of those slimy tentacles.
Sorry i had to put it out there.
rotund ferry
maybe
like i said in casual
its like an earthquake
and the monster is in teh center
shooting the dildo 9000's items at you
Preventing camping
cause he didnt shoot at it
plush trout
Y I K E S @slim hatch
slim hatch
Don't judge me... my name should be self-explanatory
plush trout
That does not explain your tentacle fetish.
rotund ferry
@plush trout you have no right you weeb
slim hatch
OFF TOPIC: ESSENCE OF DARKNESS AND EVIL @plush trout THat should answer your question, part of the character.
---------OFF TOPIC END---------
worn wagon
will bagg of dicks in water be a boss or a free roam enemy?
plush trout
free roam enemy
cold badger
i cant wait until some jackass camper group is shooting at me to take my bounty and they just get tentacle raped
rotund ferry
@rotund ferry lol
minor peak
@slim hatch Let's find a lore about the new water monster.
Where did it come from.
Was it some octopus which got mutated?
slim hatch
Where did it come from where did it go, where did it come from cotton eye joe
@minor peak Will have to wait until they release anything on it
Or until it's ingame so we can examine it.
So we can have push something off from.
slim hatch
Octopi don't live in the swamps
At least to my knowledge
Might be ground worms, tape worms, leeches or any weird mutation of snakes
minor peak
I would wonder how many more creepy new monsters we gonna meet.
Especially in new maps.
Leeches alike.. Ew.
slim hatch
Well it's v0.2 so we have a long way to go
But that adds new aquatic type aside from leeches/butcher
So this is something that we should look deeper into
lucid hawk
anyone get a feel that the new trailer music is inspired by something else? i swear i've heard something similar before and i can't put my finger on it
slim hatch
I believe this belong in another channel (But to answer you, no)
rotund ferry
@minor peak this is the place for unfiltered speculation
let it out
in the the meantime , anyone want a series of Lore connected Photos laid out in chat?
minor peak
Baseless comment.
river rain
sighs deeply as @slim hatch makes the cotton eye joe reference knew it was coming... just didn't think it would be you. anyway. I think its worth noting that this see monster seems to be the first monster that is more than just a warping of something. what i mean by that is all the other monsters are still relatively dog like or human like. an exception would be the spider perhaps, but besides two extra limbs and scuttling around on all of its legs and arms, it still has some basic human resemblances. Its limbs are human limbs, and it still has a human face to it. This see monster looks like something that is something the sculptor made completely original. I do not know what all lives in the Louisiana swamps, but octopus are not one of them.
rotund ferry
copper hare
Bring us GATORHEAD the boss
rotund ferry
Bebop & Rocksteady Dual Boss
slim hatch
@river rain Well @gray basin pm’ed me an interesting thought that we missed it might be eel type
Which would also fit the swampy environment
But as stated we will need to learn more before we can start piecing it together
rotund ferry
we cant answer but speculate
rotund ferry
@slim hatch i honestly dont think so in the video you see air bubbles then the attack my theory is the thing we saw is underwater and that was an attack like sending a wave of thorny coral
slim hatch
No that was water splashing find a bond riddled with fish and throw some breadcrumbs in same result
slim hatch
@rotund ferry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YLdYvRzx3E Sample of what i'm talking about
And it can get even more violent than what is on the vid
runic current
so is it a cluster of small creatures?
or something like The Watcher from LoTR?
most important
how do we kill it?
burnt storm
We might find out more today/tomorrow on the stream
runic current
i hope its not "waste an explosive"
burnt storm
Explosives don't work in water so that's unlikely
runic current
when is the stream?
random lava
@runic current
minor nimbus
what year does Hunt: Showdown take place?
burnt storm
@minor nimbus It’s 1895
slim hatch
^
minor nimbus
Thanks
weak elbow
I actually want more stuff to read up on.
burnt storm
Check pinned messages and books in the game.
rotund ferry
cold badger
why
cold badger
uh
rotund ferry
If hunt is after WW1
That could mean
That a lot of these grunts could be soldiers
shoulda timed right at begining of ww1
cold badger
Hunt takes place in 1895.
sly bison
Yee
cold badger
Some of the tier 2s have confederate cavalry uniforms, implying they're veterans of the civil war.
I think some tier 3s also have cavalry hats.
river rain
☝
rotund ferry
yea
slim hatch
Wtf
That’s beyond stupid
The movie is based on real story where a man was accused of molesting a 6-7 y/o
While being innocent
Just wtf
And the movie is Danish and is set in Denmark
@cold badger I’ll have to agree he is not a troll he is just ‘special’
cold badger
Yeah
slim hatch
It was biggest WTF i read in the morning
sly bison
Lol same
rotund ferry
Morning Yall, Howdy
rotund ferry
sup
primal yarrow
This game needs like a big cinematic trailer
Maybe involving some lore explanation
rotund ferry
Yea maybe the Presidents daughter goes missing in the town
and the hunter have to go in and find her
sterile sonnet
Anyone know what age/year Hunr showdown is set in ?
vagrant glacier
Is there a sort of, I don't know, overall lore log of what we know and the story so far? Cause I would like to read that
low sleet
slim hatch
@sterile sonnet aprox 1895
sterile sonnet
ty
steady brook
cold badger
i wouldn't mind seeing the 1887 in game but functionally it'd just be the specter
magic wagon
I think that 1887 is like a winfield but with shotgun rounds
fervent compass
obvious inspiration
i feel like this was put in the book because and outbreak of a sickness was happening and this was one of the solutions some guy (rawlings) decided to capitalize on , you can hear zombies coughing all the time and breathing irregularly while you hunt
so is the sickness related to the zombies in some way?
rotund ferry
@fervent compass its put in there bc the "Poison Bomb" is a 'make-shift homemade bomb that uses that vaporizer to build it
thats about the extent of it
they just needed a device to explain how a poison gas bomb would work in 1895
burnt storm
Poison bomb is not the reason why that picture is there
rotund ferry
oh whatever u say
burnt storm
It's been in the game long before poison bomb existed
rotund ferry
this was already confirmed weeks ago
the posion bomb is the inhaler
i need a new channe these noobs too much
cold badger
there's no source.
burnt storm
While it could've been used to create poison bomb, the reason why that picture is in the game that hattricks mentioned is much more believable.
Just some world building, rather than justifying a poison bomb is more likely.
river rain
@rotund ferrypoison bomb is not the inhaler... Quit making stuff up...
river rain
Your an entertaining one.
slim hatch
@minor swallow Want to take care of that?
minor swallow
More arguments here guys?
slim hatch
Nah the lad is clearly very aggressive and fast to label people and accuse them.
I think that needs to be addressed.
The fact he called me a mother fucker and a bastard on his first visit here.... Tells a lot.
Now he accuses apache of being a troll... While his behaviour is the one clearly classifiable as baiting and trolling.
minor swallow
There is a lot of frustration here. I know everyone is passionate about the story and lore but there is no need for personal attacks. Name calling is against ToS and no one should belittle anyone over discussing stuff like this. With the limited lore right now it is mostly guess work. No need to dissrespect each other at this early stage. It is not about who is right, it is about enjoying the universe of Hunt. Please take a step back and take a breath guys.
A more serious channel was created so that the most passionate lore discussions could occur there for those that want to go deeper and more serious. This lighter lore discussion should not be seeing disagreements. Stick to the Hardcore channel if you feel defensive about the Hunt universe. 'if the poison bomb is an inhaler or not' should not lead to name calling, blocking or disagreement. This is a public channel and people can be wrong, or just state their mind. So please keep this channel more open and friendly.
I am saying this from a neutral perspective and will keep an eye on how things transpire here. This is a warning and I will start taking action if these issues continue.
teal wind
So I understand that there is a malevolent creature malforming men into monsters in LA, but where can I find out what the American Hunters' Association is? I mean, are these guys forming a group of hunters who then go kill each other in a fratricidal contest to get bounties?
slim hatch
No
It's a bit more complex than that but I'm hitting the sack so I can give a shot at explaining tomorrow at an earlier hour
high helm
afaik, either the hunters are still vulnerable to possession, or ppl think that, so none of the hunters trust eachother
fervent compass
lol i like how my short theory spun out of control super fast
tropic dawn
Hey guys! I don't really read much about the lore but I would like to know roughly what year did this game take place.
slim hatch
1895
tropic dawn
Thanks
grave nebula
Can anyone tell me who are these two men?
Are they just hunters or is it the two brothers with one had dark sight and the other tried to take it or something
slim hatch
It’s just two hunters
rotund ferry
Im not sure I like the strict hasidic amish look the cover hunters have
north night
Quick question, how deep/ comprehensive is the lore of this game? I have been writing a short piece about my first game in Hunt, that took place about a week ago. The rando I got paired with was so kind, and the game so atmospheric that it felt as though I was living through a book for a while. I have most of the events blocked out, but certain features, such as the hunters use of dark sight, the means of payment, the background of hunters, and the cause and evolution of the "disease" elude me, and would help beef up the opening quite a bit.
slim hatch
@north night It's decent not too much yet but you can check some of the pinned messages
And you can poke Me or Apache0 with questions if we can answer them we will
No BS
north night
Oh wow, didn't even check that. Thanks for the heads up, this is pretty much all I need to get started.
slim hatch
Glad we could help 😉
sly bison
In the govenor foster article the governor talks as if the people in the "epidemic" are lower beings, like the people theyre are somehow naturally animals or something. Why is that? Was that common for that time period?
rotund ferry
Yo any theories on why alice farm has a lot of body count
slim hatch
@sly bison be nice
I think it might of been area of a last stand.... But on the flip-side Davant is far better fortified than Alice
One thing we could theorize is that being center everyone retreated not knowing they are surrounded
river rain
@sly bison yes. It was common. If you where pore or homeless you where subject to being looked down on by others in society. That combined with the fact that at this point in time people (not all, but a lot in America) generally regarded blacks as sub human. so if you have a mixed community AND a pore community as we see in the hunt: showdown town... well... yah...
rotund ferry
Maybe the meat were tampered with
sly bison
@river rain ahh, I see. I was thinking that but I just needed to be sure. Thanks
river rain
👍
sly bison
@river rain I was just reading over the Pellella not and I noticed when the author started to talk about a sculptor he said "THIS ONE'S ABLE TO POSSESS AND SHAPE MULTIPLE PEOPLE" infering that your average sculptor can only manipulate 1 thing at once.
So that either means that theres a hierarchy or this sculptor is an anamoly among its own, right?
Also what was the polgerist case of '86 mnetioned in this note?
remote igloo
While I doubt it is based on a historical note, events of interest that year:
February 19 – Braamfontein Explosion: A train carrying 56 tons of dynamite explodes at Braamfontein, Johannesburg, killing more than 78 people.
May 27 – St. Louis–East St. Louis tornado: The costliest and third deadliest tornado in U.S. history levels a mile wide swath of downtown St. Louis, Missouri, incurring US$2.9 billion (1997 USD) in normalized damages, killing more than 255 and injuring over 1,000 people.
June 15 – The 8.5 Mw Sanriku earthquake and tsunami kills 22,000 in northeastern Japan.
June 28 – Twin Shaft disaster: An explosion in the Newton Coal Company's Twin Shaft Mine in Pittston, Pennsylvania results in a massive cave-in that kills 58 miners.
July 30 – Atlantic City rail crash: Shortly after 6:30 pm, at a crossing just west of Atlantic City, New Jersey, two trains collide, crushing five loaded passenger coaches, killing fifty and seriously injuring approximately sixty.
November 30 - St. Augustine Monster: A large carcass, later postulated to be the remains of a gigantic octopus, is found washed ashore near St. Augustine, Florida.
sly bison
1895?
remote igloo
Thats 1896
sly bison
oh
Oh
So its not a real historical event.... somehow I thouht it would be, thanks cow.
remote igloo
Well this was a curosry glance
There was a much more in depth one I did a while back
And I can't recall if it was 1896 or not
But there was like something like 10,000 metoerites in the sky or something astrological
Ah here it is
It was the 1885 entry
Here it is
MaddCowQQ - 05/15/2018
Other notable items in 1885 that seem interesting:
Dr. Lazarus Ludwig Zamenhof (1859-1917), Polish ophthalmologist, invented the artificial language known as Esperanto.
Managua, Nicaragua, was leveled by an earthquake.
The 70-room Herrenchiemsee Castle of Ludwig II of Bavaria was built on an island in Lake Chiemsee.
Alphonse Bertillon of the Paris Police Dept. (Surete) developed the Bertillon system to help identify criminals. It was based on a variety or personal characteristics including hair and eye color and various body measurements.
English scientist Francis Galton proved that no two 2 fingerprints were identical.
America's 1st recorded serial murders took place in Austin, Texas.
A new star appeared in the Great Nebula of Andromeda.
Nov 26, The 1st photograph of a meteor was made.
Aug 30, Some 13,000 meteors were seen in 1 hour near Andromeda.
Feb 25, US Congress condemned barbed wire around government grounds.
The last one is more funny than not
sly bison
Oh?
teal wind
What do we know about the AHA?
someone said they aren't a weird fratricidal organization
however hunters go killing each other in large numbers
what is the lore reason for this?
river rain
@sly bison I believe this sculptor is an anomaly among its own. I think that, because it is also mentioned in the letter how we will now have an endless supply of new bounties now. I would think that if it was a hierarchy that a ... we will call it an endless supply sculptor... would have come up before now, but this seems to be the first of its kind.
rotund ferry
In an early Q&A this was asked they said the hunters are greedy and unpleasant
sly bison
Generally....
zealous kiln
The lore makes it sound the PvE is actually meant to be a huge challenge. XD
rotund ferry
not entirely
can u explain how you interpret that,? I mean its relative, for a noob, the pve is hard
for an experienced, its still very dangerous, we just know to limit any contact with the pve
if ur not carefull u can get mobbed by zombies, set on fire and cut
waxen ermine
The dogs to me are the most dangerous cause they're fast and come in groups
Although a shot in the head does the trick usually
After that the hives are dangerous cause they can swarm you while you fight others
Every other monster just requires distance and foresight
sly bison
It really borthers me that the abdulaziz entry on the journal entry puts the date as "IT IS THE NINETEENTH DAY OF THE SHAWWAL MONTH OF THE YEAR THIRTEEN TWELVE"
Doesn't that translate to 19th of October, 1312?
cold badger
islamic calendar runs on different years
it puts it at a pretty early date tho, most of the other dates are the summer and fall
sly bison
Alrighty, thanks
cold badger
Why did u post this in lore channel
dense mango
..because he was asking a question regarding one of the journal entries?
river rain
@dense mango. There was a post that is not there anymore that toaster was responding to. The post he was responding to was definitely not asking about the journal... Or even remotely hunt related.
dense mango
I see. Perhaps he just moved it to the correct channel, in that case.
cold badger
Yeah post got deleted. It was some bear grylls meme.
rotund ferry
circa 1885 there was some huge flood in pennsylvaia
dont know if that counts
some people claimed the flood was triggered by government
a map like that would add nice elements of water without it having to be a frikkin swamp again
cold badger
Why do we keep talking about 1885
rotund ferry
so for lore purposes people are interesting in the date
islamic calanders show counted years
cold badger
yeah but the thing is the louisiana event isn't actually tied to any historical events in 1895
so why look at actual historical events in 1885? it won't reveal anything.
cold badger
You arent going to find any by looking at other things that happened in 1885
sly bison
Ok, jeez. Sorry.
cold badger
i'm not being pushy; its all really interesting information
i just dont think there's anything of any substance regarding the game's lore
sly bison
Ok.
cold badger
that being said the Johnstown flood is like the most gilded age thing that ever happened lol
rotund ferry
Yea I can definitely say we dissected as much as we can
The rest we can only speculate
Until next update
fervent compass
or you can search the map for more clues
tough kindle
past bone
slim hatch
Yeah easter eggs don't count 😄
If it's a reference but not lore reference but po-culture or anything of that sort, it won't add anything to us....
sly bison
@rotund ferry "We" doesn't encompass me, I still have very little lore related knowledge.... I think
tiny gulch
sly bison
Dont know what that means but ok
slim hatch
Lore as concept or Lore as Hunt lore?
sly bison
Both tbh, I think....
rotund ferry
new player to the game could i get a tldr on the lore
rotund ferry
@rotund ferry The lore is virtually non existent at the moment and further digging will only intertwine yourself with the hazardous personalities within this chat.
river rain
@rotund ferryyou can... Just as soon as you tell me what tldr means.
rotund ferry
too long didnt read
basically just summary
its hard to summarize nothing
but its safe to assume any type of monster or demonological entity is fair game
even a giant gorilla could work
river rain
@rotund ferry The year is 1895. You are a member of the American Hunters Association. commonly refereed to as the AHA. This organization if headed by Dr. Philip Huff Jones, an man of secrets and supposedly grate power. The purpose of this organization is to hunt down Demonic forces that have manage to make there way from hell into are world, using whatever means necessary from jury-rigged traps, prototype guns, and even supernatural powers. The entities are referred to as sculptors. The organization has been around for some time, and has conducted many hunts. But there is something different this time. This sculptor is different. Because of this sculptor, there has been a nonstop creation of new monsters... how lucky for you. Something is coming. Marie Laveau; practitioner of voodoo and the occult, wrote a letter to Dr. Jones calling him to action against a growing corruption, V. Caldwell; son to a nationally known gun smith, is supplying new prototypes to the AHA, and from all around the word, hunters are coming to America.
rotund ferry
@sly bison but we dissected all we could with the knowledge we have
And we don’t even know if the lore is cryptic
river rain
@rotund ferry That is a overall summary of what is happening. If you want to know anything specific just ask.
undone goblet
I read all of the lore bits and didnt it mention something about this being all on purpose? Like the entire outbreak, the bosses specifically, were created just to hunt. So the hunters have a real challenge to test their skill. Kind of like the story "The Most Dangerous Game".
sly bison
@rotund ferry Ok, let me explain in further detail, I know YOU did. But I haven't.
rotund ferry
Fair play
After I’m done with stuff I’ll dissect the song
See if there’s any importance
sly bison
?
rotund ferry
New lore
Vex request to be added to hardcore if it helps u have my backing
@sly bison
Ask jizzle
sly bison
Oh, thats a thing?
river rain
@undone goblet no. This was not created on purpose. The members of the AHA... Well... The more blood hungry ones... Are happy that there is now an endless supply of new hunt targets, but this was not there doing.
gusty prairie
Shit shit, fed up with Hunt Showdown for several reasons or even the Players through the completely stupid walls, the always kidney prestiges, the shooting bugs (you touch you do not touch, player and the bosses) the weapons that say no are all good shit nitro cree for kills an elephant so for kills a player 2 ball and still if it is not buggy, shogun at close range I bleed loll at 5 meter I must know kills at yes he There are some bugs when you shoot, one thing that not think you can not kill a boss until you have at least taken 2 clues.ex ....😡 👎
river rain
...
gusty prairie
You're sewing I'm just playing clues and more bosses and know everything and when I'm fed up I uninstalled and it will be over to play games of stupid Shift (wallhack and bug still not solved).
burnt storm
I guess the fact that you chose a lore channel says a lot about validity of your opinion 🤔
rotund ferry
@Ŧëлŗîŗ †† 🐺#4838 Game isnt for everyone, can I take a guess or two at what you play? Fortnight, Overwatch?
how about ya guys
go to the off topic channel
eh?
@gusty prairie
@rotund ferry
what u want?
@rotund ferry why did u @ me?
stop trolling dude
no
this is for lore
you needed to go off topic while typing to the other guy
this is about lore
ill type to who i want
I guess the fact that you chose a lore channel says a lot about validity of your opinion 🤔
BLooD(East) - Today at 2:54 PM
@Ŧëлŗîŗ †† 🐺#4838 Game isnt for everyone, can I take a guess or two at what you play? Fortnight, Overwatch?
mind ur business
well this is lore
stop stalking chat members
and its in a public chat
well considering i do lore
I have to scroll up to seem its important
and stop being so toxic
thank god
you know whats toxic, tracking peoples old ass comments and commenting on themj
ok this was at 3"15
i have to look up to see if its important to lore
people can respond to what they want, noboody was having a convo with ur brother troll lol
and i havent called you any names
while your over accusing me goodbye
no one wants ur toxicity in here
stay in school
slim hatch
@rotund ferry Read the pinned posts
@minor swallow Sorry to be the bearer of bad news that require your attention
@rotund ferry And after that if you've more questions just give me or Apache0 a poke we will answer.
It's 5th person that guy calls a troll, blocks and also insults. And he is getting away with it... Mods take action maybe?
gusty prairie
1,028 hours in all, prestige 7 rank 40
slim hatch
And in wrong channel
river rain
^
sacred sable
please keep this channel on topic guys
rotund ferry
^
tight edge
you know what i want to see added
indians with recurved bows and alligator traps and alligator's
in that specific order
rotund ferry
Please go to suggestions @tight edge
tight edge
do you even know what indian tribes populated the louisiana swamp
"lore" defined -knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth.
i want more traditionally cajun french/indian lore where there's backstory of what happened there
river rain
You want... So if you want it (witch is completely fine) post that you want it in suggestions. Not in lore discussion. And no... No matter how you swing it, talking about how much you want something in the game is not lore.
slim hatch
Will have to agree with stated points.
rotund ferry
Considering the Western context of the game, I think that Native tribes should be a thing in this game
Like new types of enemies
And maybe the reason for all this messed up stuff is that they have put a curse on the hunters to live in eternal torment
Perhaps with a cool fucking Wendigo boss
slim hatch
I think it goes into #feedback-discussion
slim hatch
We work with what we know and push off that we don’t say what think would be good or bad lore. But wendigo boss would be interesting but as it had never been mentioned in lore or ingame it has 0 ties to lore and as such topic for #feedback-discussion channel
cold badger
@slim hatch i think you oughta police this channel less because we have the hardcore channel for going totally hardball on lore
high helm
every time I look in lore channel, @slim hatch is telling someone that something is innappropriate for this channel
fervent compass
cuz it is ^
slim hatch
Thank you
high helm
imo, most of the time it is lore related. Just because it's not perfectly matching your definition of lore-related doesnt mean you should be telling everyone off
slim hatch
The term video-game lore is very well defined by the industry and it's not my definition of lore.
It's the definition of industries that brought you the most lore heavy games like Elder Scrolls, Warcraft etc.
So it's not me pushing my definition. It's me using industry defined term because Hunt is part of the same industry.
And on top of that you're spewing pile of BS because since I've moved to Hardcore i've mentioned wrong channel twice.
The rest not me so check your facts. Thank you, not discussing it any further.
high helm
triggered much? lol you told me off once for discussing the date and how it relates to what's happening in the game.
slim hatch
What date?
sterile sonnet
@rotund ferry native Americans are planned for the future , and there is some really cool voodo concept art so we just gota wait
high helm
who is misinformed?
slim hatch
I never touched you. Apache0 answered your question and i was addressing Blood
Screenshots open them.
So where exactly did i tell you off for you asking the Date in the lore?
@sterile sonnet LINK
sterile sonnet
i dont think there has been a single day in wich this chanal hasn't been fighting , people just wana discussion about the lore 😄
fervent compass
perhaps , and im just on the side line noticing , but perhaps the majority of off topic discussion in here is the discussion of wether or not something is on or off topic
dm's mabye guys
?
slim hatch
Well we actually had it fine until everyone decided that they need to express wishful thinking and how much they hate their game specifically in lore channel.
So the Hardcore channel was created but it sucks when people who actually want to discuss lore that don't have hardcore access.
Have to deal with BS.
high helm
@slim hatch you said i should go to suggestions after I replied to someone telling them WHY I asked the date... it was part of logical discourse and you had a problem with it
sterile sonnet
@slim hatch i follow almost every art dev on artstation , unfortunately the concepts were removed becous its not out yet so its a bit of a spoiler i guess and they made him remove it from his artstation
ill dig a but if i can find it and pm it to you if i find it
burnt storm
Wouldn't it be smart to tag essence in off-topic and try to discuss it there?
slim hatch
@high helm And i told you that in regards to the "MINE MAP"
I addressed your MINE Suggestion
Not your time question
And to my mind my statement is quite explicit so one more time "WTF you on about?"
Because Mine Map keyword MAP Level arena.... isn't a lore element it's a game element and if you want to visit another game map that has Mine in it you go to suggestions.
And I even supported it but suggesting it in lore will fall upon wrong eyes.
high helm
my mine suggestion already WAS a suggestion... in this channel it wasnt though, it was a response telling someone why I asked the date
fervent compass
eeeeesh dms guys
slim hatch
Look
from: PCPMD#7185 date
^ This into search
Good luck i'm not wasting my time any further here.
high helm
"Arricado - 06/10/2018
Year is 1895
BLooD(East) - 06/10/2018
for event 1
which has been confirmed as prologue event for everything to follow"
event 1
implying there could be other events around the same time period
meaning something, say, 1 year later, would completely fit with the game's lore
Remote place in north america with a ton of death? Klondike.
Klondike would make for good gameplay, so having a map in the Klondike would be expected if that area was part of the plot
why is "event 2" or 3, not lore related?
slim hatch
Yeah and Everyone knows BLooD is spewing bullshit all over the place?
Because it's his fan-fiction?
Read the pinned posts
Go read all lore texts
And you will see there is nothing like that.
And he has blown it out of proportions by now?
The guy is not right in the head.
There is a reason we moved main discussions to hardcore channel
Because this place has to be "Inclusive" of everyone.
But we couldn't do what we actually had to do as people who wanted to piece together the lore.
And what you copy pasted is same stuff i screenshotted for you.
high helm
Don't you realize that shutting ppl down over nitpicky reasons isnt inclusive at all?
slim hatch
But writing fan-fiction and pushing it as truth or talking game mechanics isn't lore?
Go start posting memes in huntingr-grounds-serious or casual that aren't related to hunt
You will be asked to move to off-topic or relevant channel.
Same here. I point people to the right channel unless they are just whining in that case I just want them to whine some-where else.
By being directed to right channel they will get the information, feedback or attention they need to further w/e is troubling them.
And whiners well whiners can go to hell as long as they don't flood shit. Makes sense?
I think my position is completely logical.
high helm
I wasn't suggesting that we allow pushing fanfic as truth, I was suggesting that you lighten up a bit regarding things that are actual lore discussion
slim hatch
I'm blunt...
Wrong channel, period go there. That's where you need to ask it.
You don't go to a christian priest asking about islam?
high helm
By your definition, if I say "This game takes place in a Luisiana Bayou map" then technically it doesn't fit your definition of lore and should gtfo
slim hatch
I never said that.
high helm
you said "map" is not lore
slim hatch
Yes it's not
Have you ever heard of map changes in Tolkein's Lord of the Rings?
Do we have map changes in real life?
Map is a game representation
Of a certain area from within the universe
To which we piece the lore together.
Thus map is just a representation that is a game mechanic and goes to suggestions.
But discussing a lore text that mentions a cave system..
Is lore
But we never had any.
Map as an item might be lore...
Map as in the level we hunt on isn't lore it's a visual representation of the universe we play in. Just a small piece.
From the Fictional Earth the Hunt universe is situated in.
So discussing elements from the map like the giant Hives
Is lore
Discussing the region isn't because it's a small bit of it.
high helm
that's still nitpicky as fuck
slim hatch
That's precision.
My job is precision.
So i'm precise in my definitions and borders so i don't go on wild goose-chase.
high helm
Lore discussion should encompass whatever is happening in The Hunt universe right?
slim hatch
Yes
high helm
Then why is talking about what the other events could be in said universe, bad?
slim hatch
Because makers and writers didn't give us any hints of that.
Lore isn't your fanfiction or unfounded speculation, lore is basing on given information and finding corrolation.
We are figuring out how Hunt universe works. We don't write events for the Writers.
They write the events for us.
Anyway you know what I've the hardcore channel.
Good luck on your goose chase.
I really don't want to escalate the conflict.
high helm
so taking the info that there's more than just the Luisiana Bayou in the story and saying "what else was happening around that time?" is bad? got it
slim hatch
Well if they didn't tell you anything about it how can you know?
fervent compass
guys i hate to do this but @high helm @slim hatch take it to #off-topic
high helm
How can I know that something else was happening around the same time? They did tell us that this wasn't going to be the only chapter, and based on the gear in the game implying that they won't build the next chapter in a completely different time period, I can assume that the other chapters are going to be within a similar time period. Where do lots of zombies happen? Where there are lots of corpses, especially places that have eerie vibes. Currently (in-game) Luisiana during an outbreak of a mysterious plague. Where else would fit?... Saying "____ could be a location for the next chapter" isn't making shit up. Yes it's speculation, but what else is there to discuss other than just copy/pasting stuff from the website
olive isle
Guys where can I start getting into the lore?
slim hatch
Homepage?
Lore texts
And read pinned posts in this channel.
The rest just poke @ Lore hardcore <----I think and one of us if we have an answer will answer.
Hunter's table is also quite interesting.
olive isle
Thank you good sir.
slim hatch
Ah no worries.
Also some pieces if you're observant in the game you can actually tie in to the lore.
So keep your eyes peeled. (Easter eggs don't count 😄 )
olive isle
Okay will do.
olive isle
@slim hatch Thanks once again :3
slim hatch
No worries... Good luck if you've questions just ask.
sly bison
Guys, this is lore. Seriously?
hazy lily
lmfao
slim hatch
@sly bison don’t make my mistakes!
slim hatch
@minor swallow Would you kindly take a minute of your time to explain to people what lore in games, books, novels, comics means?
cold badger
You should stop tagging mods and just keep a screenshot of the definition around.
And dude you dont have to police this channel so hard we have the hardcore channel, you know.
random lava
^ you guys have that channel so you don't police this channel
rotund ferry
How do you get to this hardcore lore channel, I see it mentioned in here but can’t find it?
burnt storm
@rotund ferry Be active and reasonable in the lore channel and you’ll get invited
upbeat barn
Oi lads, I've a question. Has anyone actually discussed the time this takes place? It's the 1890s, right?
remote igloo
1895
slim hatch
^
upbeat barn
@remote igloo thanks lad
muted field
I finally got around to digging into the lore in the game, reading the Louisiana Event book, digging into the pinned files, and looking at the website and searching there and in the "Drag to explore" Sections, and im really enjoying it!!!! Its even more awesome we have this channel to work together to piece stuff together as they release it.
DEFINATELY going to be more active here.
muted field
I may as well start with a question too. Anyone curious about these from "A Hunters Desk"? The picture in front, could be connected to the indoctrination ritual/gaining of Dark Vision. With stuff like literal Hell and a "True Deck" of what I assume is Tarot cards, its not too far out of the realm of possibility that whats depicted is the literal process with some other artifact of sorts?
Also, the one in the back looks a tad too dog like for the butcher. Maybe some clue for a new boss in the far future?
sly bison
A lot of its guess work
river rain
@muted field. We believe that tarot cards are in play. We have a few entrys where things are referenced that we can match with tarot cards such as 'the tower.' (so basically we agree on that. :-) ). As far as the picture of the key and the lock, I think too little is known to make a reasonable assessment on that. Specifically too little is known about the proses of gaining dark sight. It would be nice to know more, but we will need to wait for now. And the picture in the back there... I think it looks more like a mask than the head of a boss. And personally i don't think that is what it is trying to get at. Also ( Incase you didn't pick up on it in your other readings) things seem to point in the direction of voodoo.
muted field
Yeah I was kinda getting that. Fitting for the Bayou setting
sick epoch
So I wonder if the devs got inspiration from the Deadlands setting
Seems sorta like Hell On Earth but toned down.
slim hatch
I've my doubts.
But in the past people ran a lot of analogies with Cthulhu so shrugs
I take them as unique work so i don't go seeking truth from other author's work as then I'm basically deviating from the lore research 😄
So my tip is stick within lore material recommended and history text book (Since game is historically 1985 with a bit altered history but not too far)
fleet nebula
Awesome dev stream guys, super glad to here about the upcoming TTS impediments! 
😄
sly bison
Whats TTS mean? @fleet nebula
fleet nebula
technical test server
sly bison
Nice!
tough canopy
3v3 or 4v4 mode
sly bison
How about a good 1000v1000 mode?
main quail
how abour more pvp
sacred sable
@sly bison idk what machine would be able to withstand 2000 avtomats just spraying
fleet nebula
You'd need some god-tier servers for that apocolypse
sly bison
@sacred sable I believe in hunts technical skillsl
sacred sable
is there anyone that has read onto this lore that wants to tell me a bit about it?
i'm interested but i don't wanna read onto it and get it wrong which i have a lot in other games lore
sly bison
I can tell you
Some.
The time period is 1895
The American Hunter Association is the leading organization in hunting down monsters (specifically the butcher and spider) for their "husk" which we theorize are traded in for a true deck (or tarrot cards). The true deck is believe to give you powers and save you from hell (I think).
But AHA is not the only organization dedicate to this, there are many, and they do not like to share (same goes for hunter in there own organization. For instance, we believe that most hunters in the Hunt: Showdown are from the AHA and they don't have to kill each other, but a lore writer told us that they're just generally unpleasnt or they want the reward for themselves)
slim hatch
@sacred sable Refer to pinned post.
sacred sable
oohh thanks
sly bison
I'm still gonna say everything I know
slim hatch
Well he can get a recap with some questions and push forward from there 😄
An i already want to correct you.
slim hatch
AHA is never declared as leading organization it's one of many, AHA is confirmed other are only confirmed to exist.
sly bison
So what you're saying is that we think other organizations exist but that may not be true?
slim hatch
As such the bounties aren't a type as such rather it's the targets that have popped up in Louisiana event (which the game at present takes place)
No we kinda know others exist , 1st lore writer answer list.
But we don't know who or what they are.
We know that AHA is a standalone organization opposite to what initially was assumed to be subsidiary of a global one.
We also can fairly certainly say that AHA is known among other organization based on the fact they get prototype weapons from other countries like German Dolch and Russian Avtomat.
sly bison
ok
remote igloo
The whole AHA thing reminds me of the branches in the Buffyverse. They all kinda did the same thing, but all dealt with things differently
slim hatch
We have a theory that Dr.Reed is the Spider and we have some theories on the Sculptors influence symptoms and methods.
sly bison
Can you tell me all you know about The Sculptor?
Actually
I'll just make a doc about what I know and maybe I can just give it to you when i'm done
sacred sable
is any of the book in games about the lore
the documents have answers to questions that a lore person would ask but i don't know the basic lore
sly bison
Yeah
Use the wiki
It compiles all the books information and translates it to english, makes it neater, etc.
rotund ferry
What wiki?
rotund ferry
Thanks
gusty herald
@slim hatch Just read everything you wrote up! Impressive 😃
cold badger
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
slim hatch
@gusty herald It was a group effort but thank you I guess on behalf of the hardcore buds.
civic cosmos
zenith horizon
Would Boba Fett do well in H:S?
sly bison
Idk would my mom do well in star wars?
Would trump do well in CS:GO
Would I do well in a theoretical parallel universe?
uneven linden
Boba Fett would be the guy always dying to Saber/Machete
upbeat barn
can we not do this please
zenith horizon
Would buzzkill do well in H:S?
cold badger
Boba fett has friggin jetpack and laser gun of course hed do well LOL
cold badger
Dumb question
burnt storm
^
zenith horizon
But if he disintegrates the bounty there'd be no way to conduct the ritual?
meager lotus
Can someone remind me during what time Hunt: Showdown takes place?
meager lotus
Thanks!
sly bison
Anyone got a screenshot of the butcher in the loading screen. I need to study it for lore purposes.
slim hatch
I'll take one if i can if i go to hunt today.
elfin laurel
slim hatch
About the ring i just realized it might be Sanskrit
sly bison
Have you been able to get the models yet?
I know there a websites where you can ask stuff to be translated...
cold badger
i'll take a crack at it tomm
slim hatch
Nah Maq tactically ignored the request, I don't think from Business perspective CryTek wants to share their assets. Even if requesting party has good intentions. Can't really trust people.
rotund ferry
man guys who would think to talk about lore on this channel?
fair adder
Why all the tickets Head to New Orleans
slim hatch
Because it's in Louisiana
One of a major towns at the time period
So get to New Orleans and from there head for the swamp
fleet nebula
@Twitter I love this idea, definitley makes for a creepy canabalistic boss (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendigo) 💀
sly bison
Isn't canabalisitc a term used to refer as one eating its own kind?
So either it's human or theres others exactly like it.
ebon torrent
Yes it is sir. Cannibalism is one individual eating others from its own species.
sly bison
N O I C E
sacred sable
imagine a boss that eats downed/dead players to get back health
and after it eats maybe 3-4 it gets a power
sly bison
Plz nu
random river
Imagine a boss that hunts the players while they are hunting
signal obsidian
the old snake boss idea but it roams from compound to compound
sly bison
"There's a snake in my boot!"
timber rock
Maybe not eat downed players but maybe other dead monsters to get health back up
Or some other buff like speed and damage
shrewd lichen
The only issue is that you wouldn't be able to use the clues to find it if it's always moving around.
random river
If they did a boss like the wendigo they could instead of having it be in a building or some place like the spider or the butcher, make it roam an area as its "hunting grounds"
scenic crater
Weapon question, regarding the Specter, or Spencer, in real life.
Because of the reloading. I just don't understand why I need Bulletgrubber there, when I reload it, before its empty.
I think that modern Shotguns can be ready and just reloaded, like all other weapons in the game: Chamber a round and then reload.
So, are some weapon specialists here, who can explain that to me?
I grew up with a Hunter as dad, but he was never much into Pump Guns, so I know a bit about guns, but not enough and since I am not living in USA I cant just try it out myself on easy terms. but I would like to know, if the Spencer system is so difficult or if I just am mistaken in my thoughts of reloading Pump Action Shotguns.
And I hope that here is the right place...^^
mellow umbra
@scenic crater When the action is up it will only allow to load in the tube under the barrel where the shells are, if the action is down you can't load the chamber in any way
For example you are empty and gotta reload again, you can only put 4 shells in the tube before you gotta pump so 1 shell goes into the chamber
Physically not possible to load 1 into the chamber without pumping, so 1 goes in the chamber and 3 are left in the tube
The action being the internal reload block when you use the pump
Prob not 100% correct on the names from parts of the gun but pretty sure it works like that
scenic crater
Its about loading the tube, after chambering with the pump action, but i think i understand you. So its impossible to load shells in the tube, when the gun is chambered?
mellow umbra
Nope, if you open the action, put 1 in the tube, then close the action, pump once then there's 1 in the chamber
But when you have 2 in the tube, then close the action and pump once, the action has 1 in the chamber aswel
And when have the action closed again, open it once 1 shell pops out, unused, then 1 is rdy to go in the chamber cus shell is in a neutral position, not in the chamber or tube. So the tube is empty then you can put 4 new shells in the tube
You gotta sacrifice 1 shell in order to put 1 in the chamber AND have a full tube
So yes, it's impossible to load 1 in the chamber when the gun is in it's base position, the action closed
Hope you understand
@scenic crater
Hence why bulletgrabber is good to have in-game aswell when you grab the unused shell irl. You don't lose the 1 shell that goes out of the action in order to have 1 in the chamber AND 4 in the tube
As far as I know only the Spencer has that kind of mechanism in a pump action shot gun
To recap lmao:
Put 2 in the tube then pump twice , 1 gets chambered, then goes out, then with the 2nd pump, (half pump) the 1 shell goes in the neutral position and keep the action open, then you load the tube with 4 shells, then close the action so the 1 neutral shell goes into the chamber and you have 4 shells in the tube
scenic crater
Yeah, Bulletgrubber is nice ingame and now you enlightened me. Thanks so much. 👌
mellow umbra
worthy onyx
On the topic of the Wendigo, I think it would fit better as a limited event or something.
Like people get to play as the Wendigo, essentially making them the bounty.
sly bison
Yeah, perhaps you and me can continue this in the suggestions chat. I think it would be a lovely conversation.
worthy onyx
sorry, wasn’t sure if the suggestions tab was for technical stuff only
sly bison
Nah it's for like game suggestions... I think.
Think the devs sometimes read there to get the idea sometimes
worthy onyx
also I’m not seeing that tab anymore
worthy onyx
Yup
zenith horizon
Can anyone help me out real quick? What's the style of harnass that the hunters all wear?
spark arrow
You mean the shoulder holster? Or what do you mean exactly.
shrewd kelp
Anyone ever notice that the Butcher and meatheads got the same death animation and lack actual heads? Is the butcher super mutated meat or is he just the same rig and I'm looking too far into it
Hes the ubermeat
spark arrow
Yep and @zenith horizon yep you are talking about the shoulder holster. Must say that it does have a heavy back rig.
slim hatch
@shrewd kelp Butcher and Meathead uses the same base model.
split saddle
That probably dead guy who said hunters are sinners, did he mean Greed because they kill each other or something else?
Greed is the reason Hunters kill each other right? Or is there another reason they don't all work together? I mean if they all worked together they could rid the world of the monsters faster so I assume they're hostile to each other because of greed.
The guy from the diary said they're "sinners" and Greed is one of the deadly sins.
I mean if they don't kill each other, they're doing God's work so why are they Sinners?
spark arrow
Because they ask money for doing their job. It's also a sin to do gods work and ask money for doing it. @split saddle
split saddle
Is there any reason other than greed that they kill each other? Maybe they're from different religions or something?
shrewd kelp
I dont think it's like that
I think it's they're all asking for pay for doing god's work while also coveting the rewards for themselves
So much so to the point of murder pretty much
slim hatch
Read the pinned posts guys
full fog
Hey, so i checked out @sly bison 's lore presentation and I realised that you actually missed (or just forgot to put it in) one very crucial point.
The infection - which is very important because I think this was one of the first incidents.
slim hatch
It’s first iteration and we don’t have confirmation on infection yet
We need to remove red texts and refine presentation
Read other pinned docs as well
If you’ve a lore piece to back it up link it and we can see
We don’t engaged in speculations without basis.
@full fog
slim hatch
No no it’s part of the improvement proccess
If anything if something is wrong or off it has to be brought up.
full fog
but we all can agree on some kind of disease being present in the bayou and also Dennis clearly stated on one of the streams that people were barricading and hiding from the infected citizens
slim hatch
Presentation is supposed to give general introduction, pinned docs some stuff that we managed to pull out or lore writers or have very good verified basis for
Yeah except for incident is supernatural in nature
But it does have traits of an infection in early stages
full fog
you think the disease is not connected to the hell?
slim hatch
I really recommend reading the Trials of Dr.Reed
There is an entity at play, please read the pinned docs there should be 3 in total
1st QnA
List of chars
full fog
already read the qna and the presentation
slim hatch
My discussion with one of lore writers
full fog
imma read the rest of it now
slim hatch
And 2nd QnA (not answered yet)
full fog
alright
slim hatch
Good meanwhile i’ll try to force myself out of bed.
full fog
xd
acoustic wagon
I keep reading about god. Is there a direct link to those 3 monotheistic religions?
slim hatch
Note we have updated the presentation to omit, theories / speculations to reduce confusion.
And as we gain answers we will be expanding the presentation
acoustic wagon
i agree, its just that i have seen alot of people that they are on a mission of god bs and that that is canon. Im unfamiliar with the lore hence my question.
sly bison
Um
You can read the pinned messages
They were made to help new people understand... kinda..
acoustic wagon
Um
Didnt see that, good to know.
Kinda
rain monolith
It's actually sad because if you think about it, if the hunters all worked together they'd be able to wipe the map clear and everyone would make it out alive.
rotund ferry
nik capitalism
split saddle
I see hunters are mercenaries tbh, they're just looking at it as a opportunity to make money.
Kinda like armstrong from mgs revengeance, as long as there's war there's money to be made. So if they get rid of all the monsters by working together, they won't be able to make as much money as they could from perpetual warfare.
zenith horizon
clearly they're not the most moral of men in the first place
split saddle
Doubt they actually give a shit about the state of humanity, they're just here to make sweet $$$.
zenith horizon
or as the lore indicates, to specifically hunt other men
slim hatch
Some are there to hunt others, some are men destined to hell seeking to either absolve themselves or some-how avoid it. Lore shows mixed bag of characters but so far most lore material is written from more favorable hunter's perspective. (Refer to our character's list that is pinned)
shrewd lichen
So I re-watched that movie, Jonah Hex last night and it's got a striking resemblance to Hunt Showdown. Just a lot of things in the movie really remind me of the game. For one thing, Jonah's outfit is straight up a tier 3 Hunter outfit. Just an old civil war uniform with a cloak over it. Then there are the guns (which of course are just plain accurate to the time) but then he also talks about these hellhounds coming to get this one dude haha. Just kind of neat.
regal ingot
@slim hatch From my understanding they are all destined to hell. That's the price of the Dark Sight. From reading through the lore there is an allusion that you are born with it, but in the first hunt story it reads like it was a newly required "gift". My own speculation is that while some are born with it you can also get it from looking into the rifts between the worlds (clues in this case). That would mean some hunters are born with it, some stumble on it accidentally, and others seek it out on purpose. I like that line of thinking, because it lends to a myriad of hunter motivations, from those that "work in the dark so that we may live in the light", to those that have a lust for the hunt for the thrill of the kill, to those for who money is their god. Obviously there are a lot of gaps in lore that need to be filled in. I hope they purposely leave some things unexplained or particularly vague as not having all the dots connected leads to a much more authentic experience. I imagine there being great debate in both the American Hunters Association and their European (and possible Asian) counterparts as to what was causing what, and how it was done, with different groups holding different views. Much how back when biology wasn't a particular study and it was Naturalists who argued the origins of species and presented their findings to an academic body for review and debate.
slim hatch
Nice recap but 1 thing I hope for is that they don’t leave holes... look at DS and Elder Scrolls lore is a mess due to all the holes, while ES is manageable and contradicting, DS is plain nightmare. Lore is there to establish world knowledge how it works and functions, holes in story due to char’s perspective fine by me, holes in lore no thank you.
rough warren
I think lore can work either as extremely concrete or as slightly loose to let people fill in their own interpretations
Both have pros and cons too
jagged shore
when it comes to lore in games with mysterious supernatural elements, like hunt, i think often less is more
rough warren
Dark souls lore is some of my favourite exactly due to this
jagged shore
if you explain everything in supernatural mystery worlds then nothing is mysterious
its just a premise that you can fully comprehend
i much prefer the looser style of making lore, in the case of supernatural horror
as long as its a game that like. pretends to have lore but really doesn't with fake hints.
as long as its not a game*
fnaf is an example of a game that does that. gives a stupid amount of hints to 'mysteries' in the plot, but in reality has no idea what the canon is
slim hatch
Don't mix Lore and Story
Dark Souls is cursed with shitty lore due to story being so vaguely presented and available that game is for everyone it's own.
It's horrible when it comes to sitting down behind table putting your finger down and saying "THIS IS HOW IT WORKS"
Lore is responsible for answering exactly that how stuff works.
Story keep it as vague or explicit as you want.
regal ingot
@slim hatch I'm certainly not suggesting they just leave holes in their lore. The developers should definitely have it all plotted out for continuity during the game. I'm saying that what hunters and the various Hunter Associations know should be presented to us, but a lot of the supernatural should be left open for us for speculation and debate (again from the dev side it should all be fleshed out so they are all designing on the same page). How does the Sculptor infect? What does it infect? I feel like that should either be dripped out to us slowly through snippets of correspondence or left entirely to community debate, much as I would imagine the academics at the Associations would be doing. Based on the journals we have available and what we see in game my opinion is that the living are infected and the Sculptor has no use for the dead. There are several areas of the game where non-grunt corpses are presented, if the Sculptor was able to animate dead in the traditional zombie sense I would think they wouldn't be there. There is also a lack of hunter themed grunts, which again either means the dead aren't worth anything to the Sculptor or that Dark Sight makes hunters immune. The iron cages around many grunts heads again infer that it is the living that are infected as those cages are in place to prevent them from biting their caregivers.
Certainly there is an insect motif. Hives clearly have a nest bursting through their sternum, and the Armored's armor is very reminicent of a wasp's nest. Then there is the spider. The green moth flittering around the website could lend credence to the theory that the "infection" is spread through an insect. It's also my opinion that the sculptor is only targeting, or can only target, humans. Animals in the game are unchanged. Horses while torn apart are still just horses, penned dogs while emmaciated from neglect are still dogs, and crows of course are crows. The only exception would be Hellhounds, but given that their AI is much more aggressive and intelligent than the other mobs I believe they are exactly as their namesake -hounds from hell. While I'd love to have these theories either confirmed or denied by devs I find the debate about it much more authentic to turn of the century monster hunting than actually being presented with straight facts.
slim hatch
But lore has to be concrete else you're creating room for shit-storm arguments that will never be resolved and stay subjective.
One important note.
We aren't sure yet... If it's an infection. Sure by lore texts it's implied that early symptoms do look like an infection / disease but we have yet to have any solid concrete evidence.
About how the lore is written right now.
Refer to pinned posts.
In one of them writers "It's the character's perspective"
So one way or another they already took the precaution in case of a discrepancy to have the defense "It's character's perspective"
Please hold engine you output paragraphs at a time.
regal ingot
I'm not implying it's an infection in the traditional sense. More along the lines of a supernatural "infection" or how the Sculptor comes into changing people into what we face in the swamps.
regal ingot
Fair enough. Influence is probably more accurate.
slim hatch
Thus covering the infection and supernatural effect.
Because lore does imply that there are both or at least supernatural in early stages seems to be biological.
Anyway back to the point so i can wrap it up.
Same thing was done by Elder Scrolls but Elder Scrolls suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen as someone who has sniffed ES lore up, down, left, right and in 200x dimensions (To the point of visiting little known entries Like Shadowkey) too much discrepancy which leads to plain arguments within community and fan-base.
Both sides have their grounds / basis to be right.
But the information is so contradicting that they will never find an agreement.
And that is impractical and unhealthy.
They mystery of getting us tea-spoon amounts of lore.... Is torment enough.
Now imagine getting contradicting lore in big amounts or even worse.... Lore written in a way that only lore-writer knows what truly happened.
Story? Sure why not look at King's works.
Lore, please no... I want to comprehend the world not get confused by it.
We are already a bit puzzled by discrepancy between Hunter's Letter and Initiation ritual
Both of which describe 2 completely different ways of acquiring Dark Sight.
And we are missing a key piece to make it solid piece of knowledge.
And it has been months like that and we reached the point where Lore writers plainly refuse to answer questions as all of them would result in spoilers so we are in period of dreadful wait.
Most answers lore writers give are "Sorry would spoil can't speak on that."
regal ingot
I think we are more or less on the same page. I'm not advocating for loosy goosy lore by any means. I'd just like to see what is known by the Hunter Association presented to us (which I would imagine should include the different ways one can aquire dark sight) while what might not be known by the Hunter Association to be fleshed out and developed by the devs so that the game follows a coherent direction in terms of what is presented to us in game and out, but isn't necessarliy spelled out to us directly.
slim hatch
Yeah i guess we are about on the same page
worthy onyx
Not sure if this has been covered in here, on the wiki, or in the lore book, but does anyone know or have a theory on what the armored zombies turn into if their cocoon is left unbroken?
I assume it turns into a monster like the spider
slim hatch
Ummm we have done some research into Armored.
But there is no basis for such evolutionary step.
We will get more answers as lore arrives.
worthy onyx
That’s good to hear, my reasoning behind the spider thing is just that the armored have the very slender and sharp fingers that are disproportionate to the rest of their body
slim hatch
Um yeah but unfortunately we haven't found any basis on it.
But I could say we will get some clarity eventually.
I know the Lore Writers are working pretty hard.
gleaming pawn
tired belfry
Regarding the Lore : it would be really great if things like perks would follow the Lore and the teir system designed for the hunters so that new perks would simply be to customize your character to fit your playstyle over the need to spend upgrade points on quality of life perks.
for example: beastface perk could be a passive granted in varying degrees to each teir hunter
teir 1: is a green horn fresh off the coach with no experience, simply the desire to make a name and wealth for himself. he has no experience so he gets no stealth bonus from beastface.
teir 2: is a slightly more experienced hunter, and knows not to wear a white shirt out in the wild where all the crows can see him moving. he gets a beastface bonus and can get closer to animals without setting them off
teir 3: is a very experienced hunter and can easily sneak past crows and animals even zombies (unless he makes a sound or gets too close) he gets a high stealth bonus earned over his extensive time in the swamps
another example would be if some sort of suppression or nervous jitter factor were ever added in when it comes to gun fights. the more experienced the hunter, the less suppression he would suffer because of all the gunfights he is been in.
something to make the different teir hunters stand out over the rest, but not in terms of extra health or something that would make them overpowered versus damaging attacks.
this way you could use perks for sniping if you were making a sniper, or a melee/crossbow expert etc, and actually really customize what your character is good and to fit your playstyle
make the perk system deep and immersive, and roll the ones like beastface and greyhound into the tier system. after all that time in the swamps a tier 3 hunter will naturally have more stamina and recover faster than a tier 1 white shirt. these really shouldn't be perks imo.
zenith horizon
So you're arguing that tier 1 hunters shouldn't be able to get the beastface bonus at all
thorny pollen
Seems like a suggestion to be discussed
tired belfry
correct im saying that beastface like a few other perks should just be passively given to the higher tier hunters (which lore wise would make sense as the higher tier hunters are more experienced), which is a good way of separating them in PVE without making them OP in PVP by giving them more health or something. It differentiates the tiers in way that also benefits the PERK system so that perks can now be only things that directly buff your hunters ability to excel in things like sniping ( steady aim ) or pistol gunfighting ( fan the hammer ), etc. so that your valuable points can be used to enhance your playstyle rather than be used on a quality of life perk that can most times seem more mandatory than the sniping perk. It also seems like they just added ALOT of extra trash mobs that weren't originally there just to compensate for the fact that the beastface was added as a perk to make it viable. it seems like alot of these sort of game additions are counter intuitive and can be easily incorporated within the tier system and give people a bigger reason to pay that extra hard earned money for the higher tier hunter. im on my 3rd prestige atm and only buying tier 1 80-90 % of the time because the tier 1 guy can get all the same perks and not much motivation to spend the extra money as its not all that beneficial. i notice ALOT of other more experienced players than me doing the same thing. the tiers should set themselves apart in a more meaningful way that makes sense with the lore and benefits people for picking them WITHOUT giving the higher tiers a DIRECT pvp advantage like a bigger health pool or more damage or something.
the game has this cool money/bounty system and so much in the game could be accomplished automatically by enhancing this system, with new items, the tier system, balancing issues etc. and removes the need for gimmicks like DSB(which changes the game almost completely), to motivate people to risk going for that precious bounty!
regal ingot
@tired belfry The only way I would agree with that is if the tier system was removed as is and hunters essentially gain their tier as the level up. I would argue a lot of the perks youu laid out here affect pvp greatly and locking out players from them just hamstrings people. The perks do generally enhance your playstyle. If you're a lay low move slow kind of player beastface allows you to do that without diverting as far around sound traps, if you're a run and gunner beastface doesn't have much meaning to you. There isn't much point in worrying about scaring cros when you've unloaded your magazine tube in a compound. Fanning is a great trait for people that want to run revolvers, but less so to people that rely on quartermaster or the dolch. I'm a firm believer that the tier system needs a complete rework, or disposed of completely once character customization in introduced, but locking perks to tiers that are already locked behind bloodline just seems like an idea that favors pro players with large bankwads.
jagged shore
do we know what level of conscious enemies are in the game, at least in terms of human conscious?
being a hive seems like its an agonizing experience
if there was any fragment of a person left in there
Like do we know if theyre totally possessed, or if some of the person is left basically
tired belfry
@regal ingot after your first successful extraction you could be able to buy a tier 2 upgrade giving you the passive perks, and then after your second you can upgrade to a tier 3. this wouldnt be too difficult and would make your progression levelling feel more satisfying as well. the upgrade would consist of a new set of clothes to etc to compliment your upgrade and achievement. your recognition for being a notable bounty hunter. if you cant purchase a tier 3 outright you level up a tier 1 to a tier 3 with your successes. you are already having to level up your perks with your level anyway, or spending the money on a tier 3 that comes with some. the pvp benefits would be inconsequential since your tier 1s dont start with them anyway. its more for the pve advantage, that does have an effect on pvp indirectly but i kill alot of tier 2 and 3s with my tier 1s already, and other ppl do too. i think adding quality perks that really help you build your character into something more niche or special that caters to your play style would be better than basically building every guy the same way now just with different guns.
rotund ferry
leggie
i think a hive is
dead
because there is a swarm of insects in the body where the lungs and heart would be
slim hatch
@tired belfry This is a lore channel i suggest you refer your proposal to #feedback-discussion That's there the target audience is.
Alternatively you can pitch it under #350201608296202251
As you break down is fully game-mechanics.
regal ingot
@jagged shore While we can't be 100% sure I would venture to say that there is no human concious left. If you read through the Louisiana incident lore snippets in the game there is this passage for a brief explanation of what you are facing; "The Telegraph says it's not a simple infection. Jones suspects it's a single entity making monsters of men. We probably have a sculptor on our hands. But if the doctor's right somehow this one is able to posses and shape multiple people. Several things to consider..."
little pilot
Is it possible to get an invitation to Lore Hardcore? I've exhausted the discussion here and would like to see what's being dissected there
regal ingot
Wait, there is a Lore Hardcore thread?!
bitter mountain
what year is the game set in again?
regal ingot
Late 1800s. 1895/96. Just around the turn of the Century.
bitter mountain
was wondering if it'd be late enough for a 1911 or or a browning high powered to make an appearance
regal ingot
They've played a little loose with weapons dates so it's hard to say.
signal obsidian
Probably need another 10-15is years then a prototype version might have been a thing
bitter mountain
Yeah I'd hope they stay a little vauge on the year, might even get a BAR
regal ingot
I would think that might be a bit too far. It didn't come around until the end of The Great War.
bitter mountain
It was made in 1917 I think so yeah maybe a bit far out
personally I dont mind fudging it a bit in the name of fun weapons
regal ingot
Yeah, I think you're correct. I was thinking of the 1918 Browning.
digital finch
I think the avtomat is the farthest into the future they reached so far. 1916. so i can see a BAR
bitter mountain
thats kinda where I got the idea, since I wouldn't mind seeing some more low mag count automatics
sly bison
We speculate that the AHA has ties with different organization, thats how they got ahold of the german engineered avtomat long before it was made.
Whats a bar?
sly bison
Oh
worthy onyx
20 rounds in a standard mag though
It’s main drawback was the ungodly fire rate made it pretty inaccurate if it wasn’t mounted
plus it was heavy and didn’t have a pistol grip
sly bison
Rip
jagged shore
it would be cool if they made it so you had to be standing still to fire it
so you had to use a tripod or something
or a monopod
worthy onyx
nah it wasn’t bad enough that you couldn’t fire it
But a mount only gun would be neat
Something like the punt gun would be perfect for that
jagged shore
i just want weird weapons
victorian era experimental designs are great, and id love for some fully fantasy designs with lore explanation
for why theyre needed
worthy onyx
The punt gun was a cannon that duck hunters mounted on small rafts and shot entire flocks of birds out of the sky with
worthy onyx
it would be wonderful for exterminating Crows
but if they were to implement that I’d want it to be costly, low on Ammo, and be pretty picky about its mounting spots
jagged shore
mmhm
I think an air gun would actually be quite cool
as a tool
nearly silent low damage type of thing
the derringer makes firearm tools an interesting concept, and i think an air pistol/air rifle would be a cool addition
I think the lore is a super cool opportunity
For justifying really odd weapon designs
as well as slight anachronism
worthy onyx
I think the slingshot would fit that role better
they are going to add 3 different types so I could see a legitimate good slingshot which would be a small weapon
Then maybe a variant of that slingshot
Then a smaller or worse version which just yeets rocks and has bad damage but is a tool
rotund ferry
yo, where i can take a good look at the tattoos on the third tier hunters??? 👀
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME? 👀 😩
slim hatch
@rotund ferry Best option is in-game we don't have external model viewer, nobody has extracted models yet and I don't think Crytek has published any
I've some screenshots on max settings
With tattoos visible if that helps you?
sleek grotto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_in_Louisiana
1895: A large snow storm spanning from Texas to Alabama left New Orleans with approximately 8.2 inches (21 cm) of snow, Lake Charles with 22 inches (56 cm) of snow, and Rayne with 24 inches (61 cm) of snow. However, these are unconfirmed.[4]
^Incase you need an explanation for a snow storm happening in the swamps
slim hatch
@sleek grotto That is how related to currently available lore?
@rotund ferry Also i just checked my screenies ain't got any but i play daily so i can snap a few for you if you want. granted i won't forget.
signal field
snow here in Louisiana is very akin to hell freezing over, seems appropriate for the game
rotund ferry
@slim hatch ah, right... thanks.
cold badger
@civic trellis Late Summer/Early Fall of 1895
civic trellis
@cold badger thank you
jagged shore
i know theres a lore story that takes place then
but doesnt the main game take place slightly later
the dolch is date stamped for 1896
ik the games victorian era either way
its the only date stamp on a weapon that wouldnt match 1895 tho so it might just be an oversight. also dates of guns are stupid
cold badger
Nope. Its an anachronism.
Game takes place in 1895
The explanation for the dolch is that its a prototype
...EVEN THOUGH ITS SERIAL NUMBER IS IN THE 80 THOUSANDS
main fable
Guys is the spider in game is the doctor reed ?
burnt storm
We didn't get a confirmation of that afaik
main fable
Shame there is exact info everything i read in the lore section in wiki makes no sense to me
Like what is the real cause of this, demon or magic or simply a plague
Wish they explain it later on
slim hatch
All we know is that it's caused by other worldly entity called Sculptor, it's a long lasting conflict and those are re-occurring events.
But unfortunately we don't know exactly how sculptor's influence spreads.
There are indication of supernatural influence but also of disease like influence and available lore material doesn't give more information yet.
tired mural
o°w°o wats dis?
sly bison
A new meme format (sorry I had to)
rotund ferry
I'm surprised the church did not declare a crusade over the Bayou
elfin ridge
@tired mural looks like a cicada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada
rotund ferry
@tired mural there is a theory that the sculptor infects through insects
slim hatch
@rotund ferry I'd say it's a trait of his influence specifically moths
still sparrow
Have we figured anything about the true deck mentioned by the Islamic hunters?
slim hatch
Based on what we found in the song attached Text
True deck instead of what we suspected initially (salvation) actually allows one to forsee the future as implied by Hunter's reaction when he saw Tower.
***Based on the new piece of Lore text, the hunter with the True Deck looking at Tower, is it safe to assume that True deck isn’t a salvation as we assumed initially but rather a tool to foresee your future? The hunter expected to die because from the true deck staring back at him was The Tower. And in Tarot Tower’s meaning is as follows "The Tower is commonly interpreted as meaning danger, crisis, sudden change, destruction, higher learning, and liberation. In the Rider-Waite deck, the top of The Tower is a crown, which symbolizes materialistic thought being bought cheap" -Essy ***
This is what is written in Lore Hardcore notes
still sparrow
So it's basically a tarot deck that actually works?
Good enough explanation for me.
Is there any info as to which country Abdulaziz came from?
still sparrow
@slim hatch AZRAIL- all knowing deity. Mentioned by ABDULLAH BIN ABDULAZIZ in his letter.
big ass mistake
Islamic Angel of Death, actually
slim hatch
When doing edits
Please leave the previous note in
For review purposes
So it's easier to track changes.
still sparrow
In the context of the document Abdulaziz was mentioning that only God knows how and where he will die.
slim hatch
Yes but still
So we can trace the mistake
In brackets leave original description that was there
Done fixed it
still sparrow
Yeah I was a bit confused too as to why he mentioned someone named Azrail when he already wrote the Basmala but then I remembered.
@slim hatch should probably write in the beginning that mistakes or outdated lore theories are in brackets
still sparrow
No problem.
dense berry
Crytek should still make this game as a spin off since it was the original game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilxdDovzO1g
still sparrow
I disagree. Also, wrong chat.
clever flint
Hunt 2 CUMfirmed #PogChamp
full prism
do you guys think a wendigo would fit somewhere into the lore
may be brought to life by whatever created the bosses and the standard enemies
full prism
true true