lore-discussion

[river rain]

For me, i love it when a game has a good story and lore behind it. I mean... I can go into an arena and kill people all day. But why im there is important. And i prefer it not be "because".

[slim hatch]

For just because we can go quake or unreal these 2 games long ago lost their sps (Unreal 1 had damn interest story and world)

On flip side doom delivered great story while being know for raw mayhem

[river rain]

A wonderful combination 😁

[slim hatch]

I think devs could look into those projects to see what might work for this project. And indeed @river rain

Before i bounce Spec Ops the line hidden gem when it comes to story and narrative

[sinful hound]

@slim hatch I have to disagree, i think dark souls lore is told extremely well. Most is done through background storytelling and little snippets of lore through items or dialogue. I like that it isnt very expositional, it makes the player in my opinion want to find out more to understand. It also has the advantage of seeming like your not the sworn hero of the land who gets everything served to him.

Dark souls 1 did do it better than two or three and I havent played demon souls

[lean steppe]

Aren't they already doing it similar to dark souls?
On the web page you can see some tools that are described to be "common among ranch owners" but there is also a tidbit about it having a lockpick hidden inside. It reminds me the most of the division where the hunters are normal people unless shit happens

[slim hatch]

Agree or disagree Dark Souls suffers from lazy writing thats a fact. You like it or not is up to you i’ll not argue over taste your preference is yours. But lazy writing cripples integrity of the world and is merely a trick to hide the fragility of world put out in-front of the viewer/reader/player

And what they are doing right now is also a bare minimum bits and pieces but few things really tying together

Story needs to have beginning and the end. Lore is the law of the world lazy writing is a good way to leave plenty of holes to shove in new elements without having to bother making sure it doesn’t contradict the laws of the world

[lean steppe]

Kind of weird to claim something for a fact and leave it up to reader to agree/disagree to it.
They are doing bare minimum but it's the best way to keep us guessing as to the lore. The game doesn't need a story, or a plot but a background to hunters struggles.

[river rain]

too much guess work is not a good thing.

And questions without answers are not enticing. They are annoying and waists of time.

I agree that lore that dose not tell you everything at the beginning is intriguing. It makes you search for the answers. But when the answers are non existent or "you decide for yourself." that's just lazy.

I have not played dark souls, so i do not know if its sorry is good or bad one way or the other.

Maybe hunt dose not need a story or a plot. But if it gets them it will do much better than with a guessing game background.

[slim hatch]

^

Apache described it very well.

We had this discussion already.

It’s okay to make people look for clues but Dark Souls is known for there being more questions than answers

Initially first for those who care it’s interesting then when questions pile up but there is no answer it becomes frustrating and eventually you just say fuck it and let it be as it is. DS is good example of that and I’ve beaten all of them most lore is just an assumption on the edge of fan-fic

Lore is the law of the world not story it’s the law of how the world is built and functions

And DS is absolutely shit at exposing its lore

I like the games but their lore is absent i’ll add more later

[slim hatch]

Then there is a case of TES lore where too many cooks in the kitchen too much contradiction. Making it a mess, everyone has their own truth and all of them are right due to contradicting lore.

[supple saffron]

"The scariest monsters are the ones that lurk in our souls. We hunt those monsters through with our light. The light shines in the darkness, and darkness can never extinguish it. Let the light guide us, but do not be fooled, for it can betray. But play your cards right and you'll live to see another day, to die another day. So, rise up dead man, it's time to go hunting."

    ~John Hayward

[rotund ferry]

anouther

: ^)

[supple saffron]

AAAAAAAAAAA

@rotund ferry edited

[river rain]

pokes @slim hatch

[slim hatch]

_jumps up flailing tentacles "Fear me mortals I'm your doo- ow it's you hai...." pokes @river rain _

[stoic marsh]

my favorite entry into the current lore involved a muslim character arriving in the states, and he states something about how he's looking forward to getting some cards from the "true deck."

big lovecraft fan, but he always portrayed other races as being the bad guys in the stories, so i'm looking forward to hearing how other cultures have been combatting the powers of darkness throughout time

great thing about an IP like this is... you don't really have to build a lot of lore from the ground up

this is supposedly something that has been going on in our world for who knows how long, and has remained hidden from the public eye

love it

[river rain]

smiles at @slim hatch and lets out a chuckle as essy pokes him. hey essy. I had a question of clarification. I believe the current theory going around is that the doctor changes into one of the bounty targets. Is that correct? I apologize, but i have been busy for a while and have been missing things.

[slim hatch]

Yes

It seems like Doctor became the spider

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-trials-of-dr-reed

This one

[river rain]

I think that theory might be wrong.

[slim hatch]

I must leave them to the maggots now, my brethren. Bread of life, body, red, red water. I will find strength within myself.

++

I have removed the leg. I felt nothing, not even the vibrations of the bone saw against my femur. I dined by candlelight, alone.

++

The stump festers. Puss pools in the wound. I feel nothing. The flesh does not respond, and I bore deeper, and deeper. Nothing.

++

Sores belt my arms. The flesh crawls and bleeds. A moth flutters at my ear. I flee sa fi tyeh ytr ot ekta orot. Dsrow no het gepa a a

[river rain]

The medicine the doctor was drinking.

Its made from pure leach extract.

I know the butcher dose not have any leaches around him.

But.

He is so close to a meat head in all other aspects.

[slim hatch]

This is the final image

• He cut off his own legs

Butcher has legs

Spider has only human head

[river rain]

Personally i don't think removing a leg would matter to the sculptor. I mean he added attleist 2 extra limbs to the spider.

[slim hatch]

We know that Dr.Reed cut-off his legs butcher is generally intact

• If we are to assume that you can correlate the provided stories and find references in-game

There is none like that.

And spider has only human head which would kind make sense that since there were no limbs on Dr.Reed he took a more insectoid form leaving only the head.

Like the rest of the body getting twisted.

Do note it's never stated that it's a fact that Dr. Became the spider but it seems like a plausible outcome.

[river rain]

Oh yes, definitely.

[slim hatch]

After all don't forget we are trying to find connection between texts and what is present in game.

But until devs explicitly confirm our assumptions it's nothing more but an assumption based on available lore

[river rain]

I was just thinking since he was drinking medicine made from pure leach extract, and the butcher shares 90% of the same build as the meat heads witch are filed with leaches that there may be corolation. I recognize that Dr.Reed removed his leg. Maybe even both. But i don't think that matters all that much. Because i don't think that is big factor when the sculptor is at work. If Dr. Reed became the spider he got 3-4 new limbs depending on how many legs he cut off. If he was the butcher he got 1-2 extra limbs. I mean... The spider is not running around on 3 legs, so if its the doctor then something got replaced. Just my thoughts on all this.

[random lava]

what if the spiders head used to be on the butchers body

[river rain]

So... (Not confirmed) the body of Dr. Read is the butcher and the head of Dr.Read is the spider?

That is an intriguing thought.

[slim hatch]

Thats indeed interesting take

[random lava]

i could be way off i havent gone into the lore at all, but i just saw someone say spider is a human head, and the butcher has no head.

😄

[slim hatch]

Well you’re the mod bring us thy lore master or we riot

[random lava]

but then it wouldnt make sense with the cut off leg and all

[slim hatch]

^

[random lava]

maybe the dr isnt either of the bosses

current bosses i should say

[slim hatch]

Yep

[river rain]

Also posible.

[slim hatch]

Also plausible

I demand QnA with lore master!

Probably there is no lore master

[river rain]

A rose by any other name smells just as sweet. There is probably someone like that. Just not called a lore master.

[slim hatch]

Writer

I’ll catch up with you guys later had a bit of a stressful day

[river rain]

Ok.

[junior gate]

Bruh if there is a lore master LET HIM BE SUMMONED

Anyone know the right ingredients to summon one?

[remote igloo]

If you speak the words used in the banishing ritual, yes

[junior gate]

WE MUST COMPLETE THE RITUAL

[slim hatch]

stabs Green Loli Dude "Oooooooooo lore master we give you this Virgin as a sacrafice! Appear before us master of the world!"

[remote igloo]

Not so much

[slim hatch]

@elfin laurel Could you pretend to scream in agony and bleed out? Because we need lore-master / writer here.

pokes @elfin laurel with a rubber knife.

[rotund ferry]

Older concept designs show that the spider is a human

[remote igloo]

The Thing spider 😄

[rotund ferry]

Yikes

[slim hatch]

@rotund ferry Thanks for the old concepts

[rotund ferry]

👍🏻

[gray arrow]

Old concept is better in my opinion

[river rain]

I prefer the current rendition over the old.

[cold badger]

yeah

i kinda like how you think it's just a giant spider until you can kill it and get a closer look

it's hard to clearly tell what exactly the spider is made out of when it's scuttling around the ceiling

[spring lark]

anyone want to play

im 7th prestige rank 100 dont know if i should prestige agian ...

[random lava]

@spring lark please don't advertise. Thank you 😀

Also the best place to look for people is on the LFG section. #eu #na #asia

[river rain]

Question. Would it make sense for there to be a werewolf esk boss later on in the game? Perhaps legitimized as being a variant of a hell hound?

[slim hatch]

Yes and No?

Yes - due to setting but needs a balance of spider's speed and butcher's strength.
No - Because what game and lore shows so far Death and Insects beasts aren't part of the cataclysm yet. More lore needed to say for sure.

[jovial scarab]

btw i read this over 3 times and still did not understand what you were trying to say lol

Also, as people have mentioned before...Alligator boss is required, Snakes required, Bear Traps required, Bears are required, also I think that an enemy Aunt Jemima would be fantastic!

[remote igloo]

Bears don't live in swamps

[river rain]

Actually, Louisiana dose have black bear.

[remote igloo]

Not saying LA doesn't have black bears, saying that bears don't live in swamps

[scarlet tree]

Has nobody seen a bear in the swamp, or has nobody who has seen a bear in a swamp lived to tell the tale????

#RealQuestions

#ExposeTheTruth

#Woke

[remote igloo]

I see people in the ocean, doesn't mean they live in the ocean 😄

[river rain]

True. And building on that, it means despite the fact that people don't live in the ocean there is a reasonable possibility you will see people in the ocean. Basically, the bears might not live in the swamp itself, but there is a reasonable chance you might see one moseying on through. Sound reasonable?

[scarlet tree]

Okay, but what about skinwalkers

Let's shift gears here

[river rain]

If you're wondering if skinwalkers will make an appearance in the game, i don't think that would happen. Skinwalkers in my opinion don't fit well into this game, setting, or story.

[halcyon patio]

give me new bawss plxz

[river rain]

...

[remote igloo]

Cloud is from Final Fantasy 7

Obv

[slim hatch]

@elfin laurel Green loli dude where is our lore master, lead writer! I poked you with a rubber knife we need him/her/it/apache attack helicopter here! (Yeah yeah yeah we know you're a lass but that's your unofficial name now)

[river rain]

looks over at @slim hatch. Just smiles and shakes head.

[slim hatch]

So I've been torturing Green Loli Dude in private to get us the lore-writer/master here.

She claims that he doesn't use Discord.

🤔

Should we force them to force him to join discord?

[tropic dawn]

Yes

[remote igloo]

Yes... Because forcing someone to do something has never backfired before 😄

[opaque oar]

Wait, why are beast bosses out?

" Because what game and lore shows so far Death and Insects beasts aren't part of the cataclysm yet."

What about the dogs?

Werewolf would be keeping with the underlying theme that the bosses have a human base, but still mix in something we already have, e.g. the hellhounds

[remote igloo]

They said that they are going to shy away from 'traditional' mythological entities when possible

[opaque oar]

Alligator boss a la killer croc

Ah, I think moving away from traditional things would be good. Create some new mythos.

In keep with the swamp (though I'd also like to see some other locales) some kind of catfish/amphibian boss would make sense

[slim hatch]

@opaque oar Look at the dogs they are undead

Same as Resident Evil dogs they aren't werewolves they are corpses.... of dogs

[opaque oar]

But I don't see that precluding a dog-human boss.

I do see how the spider-human is more in keeping with the insect theme, a la hives

[river rain]

Disclaimer. When i said werewolf boss i said werewolf ESK boss. All i meant was some form of dog/human monster.

Traditional werewolf would be... Difficult... To work into the game and legitimize.

[slim hatch]

stabs green loli duded with a rubber knife "Ooooo Satan accept @elfin laurel as a sacrifice! Bring us thy lore mastah!"

slips 200$ into @elfin laurel 's pocket with a wink "Could you maybe think of a way to ask questions to lore writer?"

[elfin laurel]

[river rain]

Im confused now... Are we sacrificing Maquannas or bribing him... Because due to the nature of sacrifices I don't think we can do both.

[dense mango]

Just gotta do it in the right order brah

[remote igloo]

Bribe, Sacrifice, BBQ and then take your bribe back 😄

[elfin laurel]

Him?

Do I look like a guy?

[spring anchor]

Because girls don't game pfff tsss

[remote igloo]

I was going to reply, You look like text to me

But I don't think people would get it 😛

[pastel bramble]

Random theory before I go to sleep:
The power of Dark Sight was explained in one of the gameplay previews as being "a bit of Hell inside of you" and it got me thinking: Dark Sight manifests in sinners - Especially murders - And is what they see when they close their eyes. It's as much a curse as it is a blessing because when a hunter has their eyes closed (for instance, when trying to sleep) thy see the dark, hellish world that's visible in Dark Sight.

Seeing this nightmare world all the time eventually makes hunters unhinged and crazy, which is why they're willing to risk their lives going into the monster infested areas to kill hellspawn.

Dark Sight acts as a kind of divine punishment, depriving the sinful of peace and driving them to destroy the monsters that they constantly sense.

But that's just a theory...

A GAAAAAAME theory!

Gnight

[river rain]

@elfin laurel. Don't know. Cant see you. All i see is text with a picture buy it. :-) .

[elfin laurel]

Watch our streams 👀

@spring anchor removes Jesse from the finalists of the content creators

[bleak stone]

Maquannas is a lady.

[remote igloo]

Comradebrandon is a socialist name 😄

[bleak stone]

A russian dude named me this when I was 19.

[remote igloo]

You were born and already 19 years old? o.O

[bleak stone]

Lol.

[remote igloo]

😄

Thats ok

[bleak stone]

I was playing accordion at a bar, and he was feeding me vodka and calling me comrade.

[remote igloo]

My 'Russian' name is Sasha, cuz tey don't have a 'Zaq' equivalent in Russian 😦

[bleak stone]

Gamer tag ever since.

[remote igloo]

Thats cool 😃

[bleak stone]

What is Madd Cow in russian?

[remote igloo]

энцефалопатия крупного рогатого скота

[bleak stone]

"bovine encephalopathy"

[remote igloo]

A Russian map would be pretty fun

[bleak stone]

+1

[remote igloo]

Now that I think about it

[bleak stone]

I agree.

[remote igloo]

Gives the snow + mountains

And a different feel

[bleak stone]

Sorry for side-tracking this channel... I like @pastel bramble's theory -- it reminds me of Dark Souls lore.

[remote igloo]

I think the Dark Vision is a side effect for being in the business. Either 1 of 2 things. 1) Their work puts them needfully close to great evil and residual hell essence is slowly corrupting them sorta like 'evil radiation' and the dark sight is a by product. Or 2) They were afflicted with the curse and/or immune to certain portions of being transformed by the Sculptor type influence. The bounty is possibly a way to keep the 'human' side of them from being completely overridden which is why they could be fighting over it

[river rain]

@remote igloo i dont think the 1st one is right. It just dose not seem to fit. Hang around the evil long enough and you will get a way to track it? I think the second is closer but still off. I think its a curse, or something to that extent, that is placed on the hunter but the hunters request. I also dont think it grants them any resistance to speak of because in the LE book it talks about how the sculptor can possess anyone and therefore no one is to be trusted. As far as the bounty being a means to save there human side... Perhaps. Perhaps not. I don't have a solid opinion on that yet.

[remote igloo]

First makes sense in that if you work around hazardous materials, without the right protection, you can get infected similar to a biological poison or radiation

[river rain]

Yes.

But biological poison or radiation dose not help you out. The dark vision is rather helpful... Bessides some pain.

[remote igloo]

It makes sense if it's a corruption based entity

Which from the sounds of the diary makes sense

Dr. Reeds was beginning to 'turn' before he lost his marbles completely

[river rain]

So are you thinking that everyone (or thing) that begins to be corrupted gets dark sight?

[remote igloo]

Possibly. I mean we clearly can see that visual based senses are much more muted as creatures can't see as well as they can hear

It would be cool/backed up if by carrying the bounty things seemed more attracted to you

But since it doesn't we aren't too sure

I would assume that corrupted based creatures would have some sort of tie in with regards to their connection with their boss

[river rain]

pokes @slim hatch

[remote igloo]

And the clue puddles are just 'parts' of exposure to this world/realm/dimension etc...

[slim hatch]

sticks eye out of pipe "The fock ye want?!"

[spring anchor]

Shiit

[river rain]

looks down at @slim hatch. your input.

[slim hatch]

@remote igloo Dark Vision is a gift refer to the letter of a hunter to his daughter.

It's a trait that is passed through ancestry

[remote igloo]

So it's like the lineage thing from Buffy?

'The Chosen One' only not just a single person having it?

[slim hatch]

Yep

it's some form of inherited trait hunters have

That's why if you would look up into one of our older discussions

[remote igloo]

So is this whole thing just two sides fighting and hunters are just pawns?

[slim hatch]

We discussed that at present the fact hunters kill eachother makes no sense

As the trait is bloodline based rather than created

[remote igloo]

Going through months worth of chat is slightly unrealistic

[slim hatch]

Yeah it's just i get frustrated answering same stuff with delays of like 2 weeks in between 😄

Don't mind me whining

[remote igloo]

This is why I demand forums 😄

Forums are MUCH better for actually conversations

[slim hatch]

Well they gave us wiki technically if we were to document it.

[remote igloo]

Chat windows are just that

Well if the lineage thing is that, then it puts more emphasis that the bounty residue from bosses is more than just a simple snatch and grab

I still think it makes sense that it keeps their human side in check and/or allows them to live longer/procreate or something

[slim hatch]

Well hunter claims that they are banished from heaven and bound to hell

[remote igloo]

Otherwise it doesn't make sense to kill others

[slim hatch]

Basically the price for Dark Vision is supposed banishment from ever getting to heaven.

The point is with present lore available to us.

It indeed makes no sense to kill other hunters.

[remote igloo]

So is the Bounty a way to get in good graces?

[slim hatch]

We don't know yet

[river rain]

Probably not

[slim hatch]

Don't have lore on it.

I'll not state anything until i can at least derive it from available lore / content

[remote igloo]

Yes, but you can infer. With present knowledge cooperation seems the easiest/simpliest unless there is a personal/selfish stake in it

[slim hatch]

But yeah PVP aspect of the game at present is just that a game mechanic that makes no sense on lore basis

Well one explanation a simple one they could go for

Is create opposing factions

They do kinda same thing but their belief system differs.

That would have it covered

But at present there is only the 1 hunter association

Which means that

[remote igloo]

Makes sense, but you think they would war with eachother during non eruption events

[slim hatch]

Their members are in fighting

It's in human nature to fight over different views.

[remote igloo]

True, until you have a common enemy

During peace time, sure

[slim hatch]

common enemy that threatens your existence.

If they cataclysm is kept in check

They might not view it as something that requires unification

[remote igloo]

But if you and I hate eachother and someone threatens to kill both our families, we usually tend to work together and then stab eachother in the back

[slim hatch]

^

Probably or make amends

But at present the way they have presented the lore

PVP aspects makes 0 lore sense

Also expect delays from me i'm going for a hunt

[river rain]

Something of note. If you go to page 6 (or 11 if you count individual pages and not just clicks.) there is an entry that talks about how "If it can possess anyone, that means that anyone can be the demon. This means no one can be trusted." I think it comes down to 'if i see anything... ANYTHING out there im killing it. I have no idea if it has been possessed or not so im taking no chances.'

[slim hatch]

Yeah but it's irrational

[remote igloo]

Its possible, but I think that is a stretch

[slim hatch]

And hunters have to be rational

Else they won't survive long

They could weave the true deck into it.

[remote igloo]

So do you think the leveling up system and unlocking weapons is lore related based on 'prestige' within the AHA?

I.E. you don't have access to good shit until you prove yourself

Or do you think its just game mechanic

[river rain]

Game mechanic. What is stopping you from bringing your own good weapons if you're a rich guy recently joining? (Sorry. Thats a nice gun but... You got to start with this.)

[remote igloo]

If you recently join you might not realize you need to bring a thousand dollar gun

Also, if its just game mechanic, why not equip people with good gear?

Isn't the idea to not lose hunters/lineage?

[river rain]

I said good. Not thousand dollar. Why would I use a so so rifle when i can bring my own good gun? And as far as starting with good gear... Are you wanting everyone to start with a mosin negant?

[remote igloo]

I'm not talking about the mechanic, I'm talking about if it fits into the lore.

If it isn't lore wise then thats fine, though I don't think having unlocks being tied ot levelling being just for the purpose of a game mechanic

If it is lore wise I'm trying to see how it would fit into the narrative

Which means bringing back bounties earns you a reputation and that lets you have access to some nicer toys

Since you aren't going to march off and die immediately

[river rain]

'Since you aren't going to march off and die immediately' well... Um... Thats the hope attleist... :-)

I see what your saying.

[remote igloo]

True

I have seen T3 decked out people die to hives/armoreds 😄

[river rain]

Personally i think is more game mechanic than lore. With that being said i can see how as you servive longer you get acses to better things being lore related.

[slim hatch]

I think leveling is a mechanic

Yeah better things but thats probs prestige mechanic

Not lvl mechanic which is probably just that a game mechanic

[velvet sorrel]

I wish there was a reporting system in-game that would allow you to report people who are teaming. I literally just got killed by three people that were teaming. I shotgunned one then got shot by the two others that were walking with him.

[slim hatch]

1. Teaming isn’t illegal
2. Wrong channel
3. If it was night crash water spider in the mine then you probably shotgunned me problem is it was another team that actually engaged me while sneaking up on you @velvet sorrel

[blissful shadow]

Sure I was surprised to see new messages in this channel

Now I see why

👀

[slim hatch]

@blissful shadow da bu di da bu da we constantly have new updates but sometimes people mess up the fucking channel!

And i'm tired of stabbing Green Loli Dude :< We have questions that need answers

[river rain]

walks up to @slim hatch. Remember. you promised you would not eat anyone.

[slim hatch]

Yeah yeah yeah Sips on diet blood

[wary marsh]

Can i get some info or links to the best place for me to immerse into lore rn

i wanna know all the things~

why is this happening

what is happening

[lean steppe]

Welcome to the club then. Gran your mug with "I want answers" on it, get some moonshine and twiddle your fingers with us as we try to figure something out

[slim hatch]

^

[rapid loom]

Are we gonna get any Voodoo witches or Skunk-Apes to boss fight? 😃 Also, what happened to all of the alligators? I'm an hours drive from Lousianna, and there certainly gators aplenty.

[river rain]

Voodoo witches. No. i don't see that happening./ Skunk-Apes... ... ... seriously?/alligators. I believe those are in the works.

[round turret]

how did all the Hives die in the same clothes - were they part of a cult ?

[burnt storm]

They were part of the understaffed developer studio 😉

Or the early access club 😛

[chilly zealot]

literally every patch planned so far has it noted to add variations to the AI enemies so yea, lore i think took a back seat in that decision.

[remote falcon]

Creepyhellishgators that could bite your a** if you wander close to the swampy water would be a perfect addition.
I mean, if they could lurk underwater and jump at you, that could be fun.
Do not boop the snoot.

[river rain]

looks over at @slim hatch. Do you have a snoot?

[slim hatch]

Don’t you dare

[river rain]

moves closer.

So you do.

[slim hatch]

Stay back or i'll make you regret ever being born.

[remote igloo]

That makes no ¢. If you were never born how would you ever know what regret to be born even would feel like?

[eager steppe]

dont apply logic to threatening messages, that makes them not have their intended purpose

[eager steppe]

uhm....... quickly hide!

[remote igloo]

😄

[eager steppe]

:p

[dense mango]

Called 000 for a whackjob the other night

At one point he was trying to threaten the dispatcher.

That went well.

[river rain]

moves closer to @slim hatch. Im gona do it.

[slim hatch]

Don't you dare i just finished sketch fitting for reaction

[river rain]

gets a bit closer

Still gonna do it.

[eager steppe]

akwardly watches

[remote igloo]

Sometimes I feel this channel is 1 step away from hentai tentacle bromance

[eager steppe]

hahahahah

you must feel udderly out of place

[slim hatch]

Just fucking do it already!

[river rain]

smiles. if you insist. boops @slim hatch on the snoot

[burnt storm]

Oh that was a good one, Kaas

[eager steppe]

^^

[remote igloo]

I always get milked for puns 😦

[eager steppe]

😄

[slim hatch]

Flips table flailing tentacles How dare you touch me you pathetic mortal scum!

[burnt storm]

Don't worry, there's no cowspiracy against you

[river rain]

jumps over table and lands facing @slim hatch smiling I love you to.

[remote igloo]

I'm out

[eager steppe]

me 2

[burnt storm]

Yeah I feel awkward in this channel 😮

[river rain]

Lol

[slim hatch]

Get lost mortals!

[burnt storm]

Literally vanishes into thin air leaving all his belongings and memes behind

[river rain]

stays where he is

[eager steppe]

picks up Arricado's memes

leaves

[river rain]

@slim hatch. Nice picture by the way.

[slim hatch]

Thanks

[rapid loom]

the Nightmare ghost witch was a boss in the original version of the game. It's not that far out of left field to wonder about it.

[river rain]

Honestly I don't think ghosts or witches will be a thing in the game. Ghosts because the game mostly deals with the mutilation, warping, and distortion of the flesh... Its what the sculpture uses for his creations. So flesh and blood enemy's. I don't think ghosts will show up because I don't know if they have a way to justify it. Maybe they could make some sort of random ghost jumpscare that might happen at night, but even that might be pushing it. And i don't think witches will happen because, if they where a thing, it would point to one of two things. Witches where behind the event (witch i think that it is very unlikely with current evidence) or the town had a witch presence before this all started. Its possible, but I don't think its very likely. Definitely not a big witch presence if anything.

[hollow juniper]

is this a rp channel? lolz

[slim hatch]

No

[hollow juniper]

[lean steppe]

Looks like an official staged screenshot

Very nice

[slim hatch]

It is

[glass hazel]

they gon get booped on the snoot for sure

[spice dust]

It is an official screenshot lmao

[rapid loom]

Ah, ok. It's like a 1895 Resident Evil then. I see. @river rain

[river rain]

@rapid loom Not a bad comparison.

Not spot on, but not bad.

[elfin raptor]

the lore is i shoot u whit my bullet

[slim hatch]

GET OUT!

[plush trout]

What language are these signs from again? or are they made up?

[river rain]

Honestly i don't know.

[past bone]

Would be cool with more lore then what you can read in the menu. Like these "hunters" is part of some old, secret group of demon hunters, secretly funded by the government or something 😛 More lore none the less would be nice.

[remote falcon]

@plush trout : inspired by the Voynich manuscript (unknown writing system)

[plush trout]

ty

[granite meteor]

Does anyone have a link to a site with most recent lore?

[rapid loom]

@granite meteor http://huntshowdown.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Lore This is where I've been looking recently.

I really hope that they expand beyond the Louisana map. I know they are just working out and balancing mechanics, but those other cities/towns mentioned could make some mighty fine hunting grounds.

in 1893 The World's Fair in Chicago took place. The fairgrounds, in an abandoned state and roaming with grunts could be interesting. Serial killer H.H. Holmes had been operating out of his ' murder castle' during this time.

I don't know if it would fit thematically, as is, but I thought it was noteworthy to mention since the in-game Lore mentions chicago briefly.

[plush trout]

My biggest hopes are a mountain and city map

[faint frigate]

ooooo a western styled dust bowl map would be fuckign dope

[granite meteor]

@rapid loom ty kindly.

[quiet thunder]

I'd like to see a map with some desert-like enviroments. Something like southern texas, california or Nevada. Now some might say that long range visibility might be too great, but as long as the region is mountainous and maybe with a light dust storm included, you could still get ample opportunity to sneak up on people unseen.

[cold badger]

Holy fuck the burned down ruins of the columbian exposition would be awesome

[rapid loom]

https://chicagology.com/columbiaexpo/fairfire/

Exactly @cold badger

[muted crown]

The problem with the southwest is that there's very little natural cover, so it would be a total sniper fest. I think a cavern area might help balance that out.

[river rain]

Could always have a mine map. I can completely see a sculpture creating a monster down in a mine we got to go get.

[dense mango]

You could probably test such an idea out on the existing map; just make a certain portion of map have access points to an underground area, say, 1/4 size of the above-ground map

[gusty storm]

there's quite a few underground areas already

[quiet thunder]

@muted crown Hence the need for a map situated in a rocky area, and preferably with a sandstorm that reduces visibility and offers cover. Hunt is already a snipers fest. 😛

[muted crown]

A map heavy with cavern/catacombs sounds bad ass

[cold badger]

Whole map is a cave

[glass hazel]

and

the whole cave... is a map !WOAH MIND BLOWN! haha

[burnt storm]

Wow that's deep

Like a cave

[glass hazel]

beep boop

[split gull]

but............ ? what?

[elfin laurel]

check announcements

[cold badger]

how tf is the Dolch's serial number at 89102 if they're highly prototypical guns

[regal mist]

that's a secret of the feederle brothers

[pale isle]

5 times i filled the bar to revive my teamate and he never got up! gg crytek!

[burnt storm]

@pale isle This is a lore channel, please use technical support for reporting bugs. And as far as I know this bug is already known.

And that bug is fexed on the test server in addition to that 😃

[cold badger]

Do people just select random channels to bitch on?

[slim hatch]

Yes

[sacred sable]

Please keep this channel on topic, theres a lot of channels where you can complqin

[cold badger]

this deerskin outfit is great

is there a compiled list of all tier character variants?

[sacred sable]

don't think so

[slim hatch]

Wrong channel?

[cold badger]

Nah

Talking about weapons counts as lore so outfits count too

[slim hatch]

@cold badger alright then what kind of deep law of the universe can we extract from this magnificent coat?
(mock question non-special clothing had no lore value as it’s trivial and doesn’t reveal any new laws of the universe. It’s just a trivial item with no lore value hence doesn’t belong in lore channel. Weapons as such allow us to deduce technological state of the universe, deviation from reality clothing at present is same as in any other world)

Also you posed question as a question about game file / mechanics which again has no value on the lore and should probably go into #350201608296202251

Variation of coffee mugs in Prey has nothing to do with lore of that world it’s just a diversity of a trivial item so players don’t feel like they come across same mug over and over again (example)

[glass hazel]

Lore doesnt equal law, maybe he was referring to why they have deerskin outfits? that could have something to with the lore

[cold badger]

Its all part of the games world calm tf down

Roleplaying about tentacles isnt lore either if you want to police this chat so bad

[slim hatch]

Hey don't you dare to diss my tentacles! Tilts tentacle menacingly

@prime herald Actually lore is literally law of the universe 😐 That's what lore is.
Canon - is what events transpired.
Lore - explains functionality of the world. Sculptor is canon. Whatever power makes dark vision possible is lore.

And my tentacles are a comic relief that goes too far once in a while. And indeed aside from a joke here and there shouldn't be in lore. Fully aware of that.

Argument about why deer-skin is same as why someone prefers cotton over wool... preference. There was no indication of lore that one material or the other provides any form of advantage against the powers at play within the universe of the Hunt.

check mates drops mic

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2re6eu/eli5_whats_the_difference_between_lore_and_canon/

NorthMed outlines it very nicely

***Canon is the events of the story as they are imagined by the author/creator. The original work as it is first published.

Lore is more substance, it's the backdrop and information that gives the story context in its setting.

---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction)

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Lore <----- Probably the point of origin for the term lore as such.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lore (Refer to Noun Lore definition 2.)

@cold badger

@river rain They are being r00d

[river rain]

walks over to @slim hatch and whispers in her ear.

@cold badger honestly i think clothing could be part of lore if it was some sort of special thing. Like a hunter whereing a hell hound skin jacket or something like that. With that being said, i don't think that a dear skin jacket has got much, if any, lore behind it because its just such a common pice. Its a dear skin jacket... Not much more than that.

[slim hatch]

^

Thank you

[solid wasp]

ничего не понимаю

[uncut geyser]

@cold badger Maybe the meaning behind this is 1889 October 2nd?

[cold badger]

Nah its a serial no. cuz its on the barrel too. Also its called the dolch 96 so it would make sense to day 1889

[glass hazel]

@slim hatch well firstly no that page doesnt say anything at all about lore = law its talking about story context as or world building like there are 8 kingdoms in blah and each is ruled by blah that is the context it is talking about, second a definition from reddit of all places means nothing.

Merriam-Webster Definition:

1 archaic : something that is taught
2 something that is learned -
a : knowledge gained through study or experience the lore of religious architecture
b : traditional knowledge or belief tribal lore
3 : a particular body of knowledge or tradition (the lore of baseball heroes)

From the collins dictionary

noun

1. collective knowledge or wisdom on a particular subject, esp of a traditional nature
2. knowledge or learning
3. archaic teaching, or something that is taught

no where does it mention laws, ||dusts off mic and hands it back||

as per your wikipedia reference though we are creating the backstory for this world not its .... laws. Lore is a body of knowledge, laws are rules. lore could include information on laws (for context) and you could write a law restricting lore but they are not the same thing just because they sound the same.

[slim hatch]

I’m not even going to bother any further only way to win is not to play. Enough proof was given. Laws of Physics aren’t actual laws but body of knowledge that helps you explain how physics work same way lore is law of the universe aka body of knowledge that allows you to explain how stuff work within that universe

Canon is confirmed events lore merely allows explaining how shit works. And I won’t bother resuming this topic again because 24h delay not worth it.

We don’t create any backstory thats fan-fic. We collect given information and deduce what knowledge of the world it grants us allowing us to explain elements, powers and phenomenas within that world

[glass hazel]

Lore is not law. They are called the laws of physics... because everything obeys them. but never the lores of physics. Yeah creating backstory is creating lore, it is not creating law

just like the laws of thermodynamics. this has been way off topic just stop using those words interchangeably they dont mean what you think they mean.

[slim hatch]

Last statement is google "Gameplay vs Lore" anything that touches gameplay mechanics or trivial elements has nothing to do with lore half of the time.

On top of that laws of the universe is just an easier way to explain what lore is without dwelling into a pile of examples on how stuff works. Like Mass Effect (not the title but element of the lore) in Mass Effect is used to explain psionics. It's a fictional element used to explain phenomenons within Mass Effect universe

Like Daedra are immortal according to Elder Scrolls lore and consist of chaotic creatia which is an element in that given world that allows them to exist. There is no backstory to it there are only texts and lore-master statements on how stuff works.

I agree law isn't the best term for it but it's easiest one to use to draw the line between gameplay and lore which many here seem to mix up

[glass hazel]

if it is gameplay then the discussion should be happening in casual/serious or suggestions

and that daedra example is entirely lore, that is 100% lore it adds flavour even if it is practical

mass affect example is also lore

laws in the context of games refers to rules

What I am saying is the word law is not applicable to this in anyway stop trying to force it

[cold badger]

Think bobbys got a point here

[slim hatch]

I know he has a point i disagree that it's full inapplicable but i don't see him offering an alternative more fitting term to explain lore without going deep long explanations.

Thus i use what i know works and has worked for years when defining lore at least among other lore-geeks

So until he provides a better alternative for burst explanation of lore. I'll stick to the one that has been proven to work

[glass hazel]

Just talk about background because that is lore

anything else go somewhere else

[slim hatch]

Background story is indeed part of what defines lore.

[glass hazel]

costumes can be lore

why the hunter are there lore

[slim hatch]

No they are just a game element.

[glass hazel]

why they use the weapons they do lore

[slim hatch]

1st

2nd and 3rd are valid

[glass hazel]

you are overcomplicating what this channel is

[slim hatch]

But as there was no implication for a specific reason we run analogy with earth and appropriate time in history

Aka

Clothing is just because people wear clothes

AS there was no implication that one or another type of material provides anything outside of well clothing

Thus it has nothing to do in the lore as there is no lore behind other than people eat shit piss and wear clothes

[glass hazel]

deerskin jacket for example implies certain things abuot the characters

rugged men

fits with the hunter theme

[slim hatch]

Most weapons have nothing worthy of lore aside from Avtomat probably

Because avtomat deviates from standard IRL analogies so discussing design aspects, origin of avtomat is fully valid

[glass hazel]

if they were dressed in army fatigues then it tells a different story

[slim hatch]

Complaining about avtomat being OP has nothing to do with lore.

Yes that implies they are military but it's a character

And they are just characters 1:1000

The director of AHA

is a unique character

Hunters are well hunters

Their abilities are far more relevant to the lore

[glass hazel]

so an army scout isnt?

[slim hatch]

Than the hunters themselves as few hunter characters have lore relevance.

Army scout? How is he important to the lore / world information from any other army scout of that era?

You don't discuss generic merchant in Stormwind in lore now do you? Why because it's just an element a filler. But you will discuss Alduin, Arthas etc.

Because they are world centric characters

Hunters we use

Are nothing but avatars they have no relevance in the world other than filling the gray mass of AHA members

[glass hazel]

no what I am saying though is that if you had a military scout outfit it would change the feel of the setting somewhat

[slim hatch]

Don't think so

[glass hazel]

visual choices make tangible differences to the feel of the game

[slim hatch]

There are the Blue coat soldiers?

All we know is that they have military background

But they are no different from the same T1

They aren't unique

Just RNG

[glass hazel]

wow its like it adds to the ...background of the game?

[slim hatch]

That AHA has former members of military?

Yes it does... but that's where it ends

Question about list of RNG Cosmetic items on the flip side does nothing.

[glass hazel]

why? we are building the lore here? maybe there is government involvement?

[slim hatch]

We aren't building lore

Hunt has dedicated lore-writer

We are piecing it together to figure out what's going on in that world.

Based on scraps and pieces of what we are given.

[glass hazel]

yeah and making the game this for them to pick over our ideas

[slim hatch]

Where did you get that idea?

[glass hazel]

thats the whole point of this discord?

[slim hatch]

Nope

[glass hazel]

report bugs make suggestions

[slim hatch]

Nope

Even bug reports go through official website or steam forums

They explicitly ask us not to report bugs here. You can discuss bugs and ideas.

But it has 0.0000000000001% Chance that they will be picked up unless you submit it through official website.

@minor swallow Correct me if i'm wrong

^ Also that guy writes some-fan-fic on hunt on the side.

[glass hazel]

look man thats fine you clearly have a very defined idea of how you think this is but dont come down on people for posting 'A' picture

[slim hatch]

This is how it was from the moment we actually started discussing lore in this channel

[glass hazel]

you are just like any of the other users here you dont get to tell people off and start inventing the laws of the lore server

what you telling people who is right and wrong?

[slim hatch]

So we have a format of how we discuss it.

Some stuff is relevant to the lore piecing some isn't.

[glass hazel]

as long as it fits your invented definitions

[minor swallow]

Hey guys

I can see there is some frustration here

[slim hatch]

"Hey guys does anyone know anything about sculptors origin?" <---- Valid question lets figure it out.
"Hey guys got list of files?" <---- doesn't fit. (Aka: Wrong channel)

And until me and apache actually started digging through lore people would be posting google pics of guns from the assumed timeline talking about how much they want them in. (Which again isn't what lore is about)

[minor swallow]

The purpose of the lore channel is to discuss Hunt related lore. Anything that goes into the channel should be linked in some way to the lore of Hunt showdown, this can even be down to the appearance of the lore in the game. If discussions are not related to the Hunt lore, please use other channels.

[slim hatch]

@minor swallow Nah the issue is we have a bit of a different idea of what is relevant to the lore and what isn't.

[glass hazel]

@minor swallow clear something up real quick

is the word law interchangeable with the word lore

[slim hatch]

I never said it's interchangable

[minor swallow]

Law has nothing to do with Law, unless it is the Lore of the Law in game 😂

[slim hatch]

But an easy way to explain what lore is to an otusider.

[glass hazel]

thats all i had a problem with you spooled this right out the gate

but my point stands talking abuot the outfits is relevant

[slim hatch]

It's not

It's a comsetic item

[glass hazel]

@minor swallow ?

[crude carbon]

There's no specific format

As long as you're discussing lore

Either fan fiction

Or connecting the dots.

[slim hatch]

Fan-fic isn't lore

[glass hazel]

background?

like the backgrounds of the hunters?

[crude carbon]

It's what you guys make of it.

[glass hazel]

working back from their skins?

[slim hatch]

What does it tell us about the world? That htey have deers?

[crude carbon]

If you want to suggest a storyline you can use #feedback-discussion

[minor swallow]

When discussing the outfit of a character, for it to be relevant to lore, there needs to be discussion around it's origin and it's place in the time period. What the clothes could represent and how it could have been developed in the universe

[glass hazel]

thank you

thats all I need

I am out

[slim hatch]

But asking for a list of cosmetic items isn't element of the lore. It's list of cosmetic items.

[glass hazel]

I never asked for a list?

[minor swallow]

to simply state, I like the camouflage of Hunter X, is not discussing and developing the lore discussion. It is more of a #hunt-general , #350201608296202251 discussion.

[crude carbon]

If a hunter wears a skull helmet, wouldn't you want to figure out the lore behind it?

[glass hazel]

thank you

[slim hatch]

Toasterlife did and i told him it doesn't belong here

[glass hazel]

wearing a run down uniform? ex soldier?

[slim hatch]

You jumped in and hence our argument

[crude carbon]

Some hunters seem to wear some uniform yep, so you can discuss where that ties in etc.

No need to discourage people from discussing things.

[crude carbon]

Or having ideas.

[glass hazel]

@slim hatch you never gave him a chance to finish his thought

you just policed him

[slim hatch]

Question mark?

[crude carbon]

You can't tell what the persons intent was.

[slim hatch]

Next statement came only 11min later

[crude carbon]

He could be just asking for it for whatever reason or actually trying to tie in lore with it.

There's no harm in him asking though.

[glass hazel]

^

[crude carbon]

It's not like he's posting off topic memes and de-railing the topic.

[slim hatch]

Yes but in a relevant channel? Where he is more likely to get an answer.

[crude carbon]

Could spark some ideas for people in this channel.

[slim hatch]

Because few people actually sit on lore channel

[crude carbon]

"Oh I never knew it was deer skin, weird we haven't seen any other animals within the game"

[slim hatch]

Game is set in 19th century earth with a bit alternated world.

[crude carbon]

etc It can go anywhere, but there's no negative value in him posting in here for info.

[slim hatch]

It's sorta obvious animals are the same until anyone hints at existence of alternative animal?

[crude carbon]

Morphed deer can be thing. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slim hatch]

Do that

[crude carbon]

Hence why we discuss things.

[slim hatch]

Then we can discuss it.

[crude carbon]

Don't police people about it though or discourage them.

[slim hatch]

Give a hint on it in any official source of lore material

[glass hazel]

yeah but why deer does it look rough? did he make or is he wealthy maybe he bought it?

[crude carbon]

They're doing nothing truly wrong and they obviously don't mean to cause harm.

[slim hatch]

Deer is a common animal of that era to make clothes from?

[crude carbon]

But we haven't seen it in game?

Have the deer wiped out?

🤔

[slim hatch]

Actually the occurance of what is ingame

Is isolated event

Life there is indeed dying out

Animals would quite reasonably flee from the area

[glass hazel]

could be imported? I mean it looks like a nice jacket? are these gentleman hunters?

[crude carbon]

We see horses in the farms obviously.

[slim hatch]

Yeah farm animals

[crude carbon]

Why are only the dogs mutated and undead looking?

[slim hatch]

And wild animals

Sculptor

[crude carbon]

anyway you guys get the jist. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slim hatch]

All undeath is sculptor

We have long ago established that

From the moths and bees to death and decay pointing toward sculptor old news.

[glass hazel]

true?and is boat or coach their main method of travel? because they are wearing riding boots and spurs

[slim hatch]

I don't police anyone i asked if he mistook the channel as the question was addressed toward a game element rather than a world element.

[glass hazel]

I am a teacher

[slim hatch]

@glass hazel I believe that is a merely game mechanic.

[glass hazel]

and that is a closed response, its unproductive

[slim hatch]

Don't forget game mechanics aren't always lore accurate hence why i told you google "Lore vs Gameplay"

You have to differintiate between world element and game element

Some are intertwined

[crude carbon]

Well you guys can have the discussion about that.

[slim hatch]

Some are just there.

[glass hazel]

i'm out

you guys have a good whatever time of the world it is there

[slim hatch]

Afternoon 😊

[crude carbon]

Morning 😄 bye!

[slim hatch]

Ciao

Well that was first weird and unpleasant hiccup

Hopefully won't occur again.

[glass hazel]

Why you gotta be like that?

[slim hatch]

Because my goal is to piece together the Hunt lore you know find out the origin of the powers, figure out what is sculptor as such?

Why is AHA regarded as a very powerful man yet he sits in cover.

[glass hazel]

I think it was incredibly productive we have finally got an idea of what is allowed on the channel

[slim hatch]

The core center pieces. Small things like why do they wear pants are of little interest and value because Hunt universe is based on Earth

[glass hazel]

Lore in almost any capacity

man its like you didnt have that convo, I understand you are interested in the big stuff and that is fine but some people enjoy the little stuff

[slim hatch]

Answer logical question.

[crude carbon]

OH boi

[slim hatch]

In a 19th century world based on IRL earth and history what value do we gain by making a big investigation out of a commodity item common for the time period?

[crude carbon]

I go away

for like 5 mins

Dad's here :3

[queen sparrow]

Ok this seems to be going on far longer than it needs to. I really cannot see why there is such a big debate over all of this. Can we maybe bring it back down a bit and discuss things without being aggressive with others?

[slim hatch]

I believe my last question is non-aggressive and logical

[glass hazel]

@queen sparrow is it ok to discuss smaller lore stuff about the world?

[queen sparrow]

while it may be non aggressive it is exacerbating the discussion that you have been having

[glass hazel]

about the setting and the people in it?

[slim hatch]

@crude carbon I already answered. Sculptor. And i said "Based on close to"

[queen sparrow]

and yes ofc it is ok to discuss small lore based things, it is the lore discussion after all and is not just limited to the larger elements of the game

[crude carbon]

You can discuss, but let's not discourage others ideas or opinions.

[glass hazel]

cool thanks for your input Ice

[queen sparrow]

I have to agree with Valentine there

[glass hazel]

@crude carbon yeah

[slim hatch]

English linguistics?

Definition of "Based on"

[crude carbon]

Maybe some of the dev's will make a confirmation of what's confirmed lore or not

and compile it.

When they have time obviously :3

[slim hatch]

Yeah i already tried to ask for the Lore-writer to pop-in.

Answer was

"He doesn't use discord"

That was the end of it.

[crude carbon]

If you give me a list @slim hatch of what you want confirmed

I'm sure we can get that to the lore writer and have some transparency.

[slim hatch]

We need clarification

[crude carbon]

Is that possible Ice?

[queen sparrow]

Lore details will be released as we go, at this time there is not a lot to share as some of it is still inthe works. but more updates on lore will be coming as we progress through Early access

[crude carbon]

There ya go.

[glass hazel]

and it might involve details about the hunters background 😃 disgraced soldiers, wiley hunters. desperate men in desperate times. government meddling? who knows 😃

[crude carbon]

So currently we can discuss and theorize everything.

[slim hatch]

One question i think was torturing us for a while.... At least when we were piecing elements and powers

[crude carbon]

No need to discourage other's and what they think or know what it might be.

[queen sparrow]

All I can really hint at is the narrative team have a lot to come and it should be enough to keep the lore fans pleased

[slim hatch]

What's with the hives every-where (The giant hives) and why element of sculptor is Undeath, Moths and Bees especially where the latter 2 have nothing to really do with the first.

Hive and Armored are insect based monsters

Grunts, Dogs, MeatHead (Debatable) are undeath based.

And meatheads in their nature are connected to leeches which deviates from insects

And butcher is clearly an advanced meathead but yet has aspect of undeath but not the leeches of standard meatheads.

Spider is a blunt example of insect aspect yet it's what feasts on Moths and Bees.

Discrepancies that need clarifications as we failed to find a reasonable explanation for it other than loose connections

[crude carbon]

If this is the list you want PM me it

Or make a google doc.

Some of these seem more questions.

[slim hatch]

@river rain Did i miss anything?

[crude carbon]

but hopefully they can get answered if possible.

Or confirmed.

[slim hatch]

I'll wait until people can compile questions and deductions we have come across over the past months

And then I'll drop it to you.

[glass hazel]

I was under the impression it was an "evolution" grunts being recently turned, armoured having been interrupted in their cocoon but the successful development of the armoured becomes a hive meathead etc. even if it is true it kinda leaves a gap for dogs and the spider?

[slim hatch]

@remote igloo @wary marsh @plush shard @junior gate (Your opportunity to commune with mighty lore master) @stoic marsh @burnt storm @river rain @minor swallow (Yes you participated a lot)

Alright all of ye' lore snifflers... time to unite and compile a list of questions / conclusions and send them off for verification or to be ignored.

@glass hazel Nah they seem too distinct both in their description, nature and behavior.

Armored reminds more of a freshly drowned corpse reinforced by the hive building material (Also look in the chapels there are giant ones) or scroll about 1-2months up

We have been analyzing that for a while.

Sorry unfortunately giving time pointer is the best i can give you can try searching the channel as well

I think we went through most of the interesting stuff about month ago.

[glass hazel]

thats all good haha, just having a peek around

[ember halo]

What about the armored reminds you of a freshly drowned corpse? It isn't bloated and has very little flesh on it.

[glass hazel]

they had the discussion 2 months ago, but if new people are going to come on board a summary may help. I agree about the hive material to an extent but bot so much on the freshly drowned corpse

[slim hatch]

The drowner aspect is that if you look at the legs it reminds of someone who drowned in a swampy area might be just a design choice

As i said not a fact not a conclusion ruther and observation based assumption

• Fresh drowners don't bloat

Their skin actually gets soft a shiney which you can observe on the skin area of armored

Hence the assumption

Don't take my word for a fact on that one

[glass hazel]

the shiny skin could also be from a fluid during the cocoon phase, which could further explain the function of the hives as being the source of the cocoon

because they seem to have a distinct purpose compared to the other infected

[slim hatch]

I think either there is secondary force at play or it's just different aspect of the Sculptor

Also sorry got distracted by work.

Problem is classical definition of entities is that they usually have 1 aspect

While monsters imply that sculptor has 2 aspects death and insects (Leeches fall out of these 2 aspects)

So we need to find or get an answer on if there is another entity at play or if the sculptor has multiple aspects and we are only informed for now about 2 with more to come down the line.

[remote igloo]

Sorry just got here, so we get to lob questions at the lore people is that what I'm reading?

[slim hatch]

Yes

So i'd like to compile a list of questions / clarifications etc.

So we can send it off

[remote igloo]

Do you have a google doc setup so far with questions?

[slim hatch]

Nope but i think we could do that

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1he9akd3ZVEcMijbaTUilVgp-0dTyDHtbrZ3PCCE8Khg/edit?usp=sharing

@remote igloo Here you go

@remote igloo @wary marsh @plush shard @junior gate (Your opportunity to commune with mighty lore master) @stoic marsh @burnt storm @river rain @minor swallow (Yes you participated a lot)

Alright all of ye' lore snifflers... time to unite and compile a list of questions / conclusions and send them off for verification or to be ignored.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1he9akd3ZVEcMijbaTUilVgp-0dTyDHtbrZ3PCCE8Khg/edit?usp=sharing

Here is the URL where we can compile our list and i think once we think we have enough things to keep us going we could review it in-case maybe we have already got the answer for that one. This will allow us to eliminate unnecessary questions

[remote igloo]

So questions:
When was the first 'recorded' incident?
Where did that incident take place?
What is the incident that was largely considered the worst in history (Time and Place)
Are we dealing with a literal hell, or is this just another dimension that emulates our concepts of hell?
So we know that this incident is recoverable as we have present time people looking back in history towards some events. Do the incidents grow in escalation as well? Have both sides been closely increasing their strength in a balanced manner?
Do we know the hierarchy of the enemy? I.E. Lieutenants, Sculptors etc... Would we be able to have a chart show casing how they are organized?
Has anyone ever recovered from a mutation/infection of a sculptors influence?
Have we ever been able to go into their dimension? If so, how bad was it?
Ar we able to permanently close the link/portal between our dimensions?
How many world organizations are there currently?
How many members are there currently?
Is this particular incident in 1895 important? It seems that there is a bit of research trying to figure things out with regards to this particular event.
What happens to people who survive/witness an event? Are they inducted into the organization? Watched? Killed?

There are a few for now

I'll probably add more later

[slim hatch]

You should be able to add them directly to the google doc i think? So the message doesn't fly too far away

[remote igloo]

I only have viewing rights and didn't bother trying to get edit rights 😄

[slim hatch]

Okay i'll fix that

I'll smash those in for now

[remote igloo]

Cheers

[slim hatch]

Also do you mind if i reformat it?

[remote igloo]

Go for it

[slim hatch]

Thanks

Okay i edited them

[remote igloo]

Thanks 😃

[slim hatch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1he9akd3ZVEcMijbaTUilVgp-0dTyDHtbrZ3PCCE8Khg/edit?usp=sharing

Fixed the URL please confirm

[coarse anvil]

Hey guys

Where can i read the full lore with in order

[remote igloo]

You can prally organize the questions into categories as well if needed

[slim hatch]

Yeah we need to format it nicely but first need to get the bucket list of questions ready

@coarse anvil You can give it a shot with Lore in Wiki alternatively go back 1-2 months in lore channel plenty of discussions and examples That's the best we have at present

Sorry accidentally wrote shit

Alrighty done for now

[remote igloo]

Nice

[coarse anvil]

sounds like too much hassle, maybe i'll wait until something complete and organized comes out

[slim hatch]

Your call

[river rain]

@slim hatchI think any questions I have are covered in what you guys have asked.

[slim hatch]

Still review also there is conclusions tab

Which might need verification

[river rain]

I have reviewed it, and have no reel complaints.

[plush trout]

Honestly the lore behind the game is probably just rick grimes imagining hunt:showdown while in his coma

[slim hatch]

Get out! Heretic!

[dull dock]

This is 100% a Rick Grimes coma dream ^

[burnt storm]

I actually like that

[river rain]

No... Just no...

[burnt storm]

Yes, devs. Do it

That is deeeeeeep.

[river rain]

...

[pastel bramble]

Lore question: are all in-game hunters members of the AHA? And if so, why does the association allow/condone/encourage the wholesale slaughter of its members by other members?

Gameplay wise its a strategy, and in-universe it makes sense to reduce or remove your competition, but it seems strange to have members of the same group openly killing eachother

[burnt storm]

Since they only need to act during outbreaks they just eliminate each other as witnesses. And the winning hunters also get killed when they "retire"?

[main quail]

@cain#2195 Propably dont know if killed by ZOMBIES or hunters

[slim hatch]

@plush shard i think it’s just a gameplay mechanic but it’s a good question i forgot to add to the question doc

So feel free to throw it in

[cold badger]

Theyre not killing each other as witnesses, theyre killing each other because they want money.

Theyre not "members" of the AHA the AHA is just the organization that pays out the bounty

[slim hatch]

Actually

If you look proven (T3 hunters) all have a very distinct ring.

So there is some form of membership there.

I don't remember if T2's have I know for a fact T1's don't have that ring. But it's very specific

On the left hand trigger finger

[river rain]

One of the pages in the Louisiana events jernal states that nobody is safe from possession from the sculpture and therefore nobody is to be trusted. It would then make sense why there is all the team killing. The hunters are smart. They take no chances. I mean its a sculpture... With that being said, there are some that team kill because... Well... They want to kill people and this is there chance to do it. Not all that many probably, but some at the least.

[slim hatch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1he9akd3ZVEcMijbaTUilVgp-0dTyDHtbrZ3PCCE8Khg/edit (Reminder quetion page i think we can hand it off by friday)

Would be nice if we could run through conclusions for verification or omit it as such. And then there is the NOTE comment which nobody except for me has commented on yet

[river rain]

I don't have anything real to add. The only thing i would is a somewhat direct question of "are the meat heads the way thay are because the person who originally was changed had taken medicine with extract of leach in it."

@slim hatch. As far as you note. Are you meaning that the organization of the enemys is just an out of game thing and not in game stuff? Because if you are, then i agree.

[slim hatch]

I just imply that i think it doesn't have so much value to it as a lore element as it would be a good media content.

Ow yeah wait...

Dr. Was taking a leech extract wasn't he?

If i remember correctly?

[river rain]

1. Ok. We are on the same page.
2. Yes he was.

I figured if he was drinking it himself then its more than reasonable he might prescribe it to some of his paitents.

[river rain]

I suppose something else you could ask is why dogs outside cages become hell hounds and dogs in cages don't change unnaturally. And i know one theory was that hell hounds are not converted dogs and are actually from hell... witch... I dont think it the case but its a theory to ask about i suppose.

[slim hatch]

I think it’s a game mechanic case

[river rain]

Probably

Just thought i would put it there

[olive cliff]

It could just be that something caused them to turn while in the cages, and then they escaped.

[remote igloo]

I personally feel that animals can't mutate. So far hell hounds are the only 'animals' in this eco system. Everything else is formerly human. It also makes sense since we have chickens, horses and dogs not being effected.

[slim hatch]

Okay I guess not much will be added to the question list anymore so I'll send it to off to @crude carbon tomorrow.

[slim hatch]

It is done

[burnt storm]

When you begin your direct message history with God

[slim hatch]

What is god to a Prime Essence the Creator of your mortal Universe.

[burnt storm]

idk maybe a MOD THAT CAN MAKE SURE YOU'LL NEVER POST ANYTHING THAT RUDE HAHAHAHAHA

[plush trout]

Found something for you lore people to analyze. Any idea if the "68 Days" could be important?

I got confirmation that its a feature so the rest is up to you 300IQ people

[slim hatch]

Well it's one off from 69 😏 and we all know where that is going

[remote igloo]

It's been 77 days since the Early Access launched. Given that the test server saved an older copy of your profile, it could just be a timer associated with how long the game has been out. Assuming that the numbers go up instead of down

[plush trout]

But i mean its a feature in game and it only pops up for not even a second when exiting the game

I think there is more to it

[slim hatch]

I think it's improperly designed game feature to show you how long the contract will be available.

Thus not really a lore thing rather a game mechanic

[plush trout]

But what if in 69 days the demon that has infested this place spawns and triggers a huge event where 10 hunters have to team up to take it down and everyone gets a special reward

.

[remote igloo]

First, how do you design an encounter in a FPS that can't be cheesed based on range or hidey spots, and Second, that would just encourage people to troll and wipe servers worth of people trying for the event 😛

[plush trout]

LET A MAN DREAM

[sleek crest]

hey guys

i have new update 1.9 gig. What is this update for?

[slim hatch]

Wrong channel

[tidal gazelle]

do the hunter close there eyes to see the clues and if so is that why some lvl3 hunters have eyepatches on so one eye can see clues and one eye see like normal ?

[remote igloo]

They don't seem to close their eyes in game and my guess is just that pirate patches are cool, and also battle wounds

Otherwise you would always see half real half dark sense

You also don't lose depth perception while eye patched so... 🤷

[tidal gazelle]

is there a exact year this game takes place i know its like 1890-1900

ok so i looked to see when some guns in the game were made and the latest i could find is the crown and king "Browning Auto-5" Designed in 1898 but made in 1902 so i bet the game is set in 1902-1910

[signal obsidian]

they use alot of prototype equipment in the game though so could be even slightly before 98 so

[tidal gazelle]

if it was designed in 1898 how would they have a prototype before it was designed?

[signal obsidian]

because the concept would have existed before its design was completed. so it could have been scrapped together

[remote igloo]

The game takes place specifically in 1895

[signal obsidian]

well there you go

[cold badger]

yeah crown and king is intentionally anachronistic

basically in the hunt showdown universe the auto 5 was invented in 1891, not 1902

it's stamped on the back of the gun

i guess john "crownandking" was 10 times smarter than john browning

i think it's fair to say technology in general is a bit more advanced in the hunt universe than IRL

electric lighting is present in almost every zone in hunt, but even by 1930 only a tenth of American farms had electricity

[plush trout]

I dont think those boats were around back then either

[river rain]

Um... Actually yes. Thay where. Around for a long time. The USS monitor was launched in 1862 ish. It was one of the first iron clad ships. By the end of the civil war many more iron clad ships where added to the Union navy. It would make scence that a secret organization spesholizing in advanced technology would have armored steam bottes. It would not have been a new thing.

As far as the lights, i suppose you could call it a prototype test... Go to a town and say "hay. We got lights. You don't know what those are? Thats ok, not many people do just yet, but soon thay will. Let me explain"... insert explainion... "Yes sir. And boy oh boy would we like to prove to you just how mutch it can improve your lives. Dont believe us? Well how about this. Let us hook up some lights around hear. Just a few hear and there. And lets see if they don't improve your lives one little bit. If you don't like em you can keep em. But mister, i shure do think you will enjoy are product. And by the end you will wonder how on earth you ever did manage to live without electric lights.". Just a theory. Probably wrong... But hay... why not...

Oh... And an addition to the ship thing. There where submarines in the Civil War.

[plush trout]

Na they didnt have boats like this back then

But they had the technology for it

so i guess its cool

[slim hatch]

If i remember the boats really do date back to US civil-war

Yeah they are based on Iron Clad - city class armored boats but i do remember seeing a similar design to the one in hunt years back...

[cold badger]

Its an armored steam powered catamaran

Probably a custom job by the AHA

Most similar thing i could find is this monstrosity from 1875

As for the lights thing its unlikely that they just all happened to get them

I just chalk it up to the hunt world being slightly ahead technologically at this point

Like the universe is dipping a littlebit into steampunk waters without taking the full dive

Which is good imo

[slim hatch]

Ow yeah there is too little steampunk games light/heavy

So yeah agreed with your position

[rotund ferry]

steampunk is stupid

current setting is way better

[cold badger]

Exactly

[orchid idol]

has anyone discussed the idea of the switch from the skulls to the enameled glass and why that can actually be significant?

when looking at clues

[slim hatch]

Nope because nothing to go off

Might be aesthetics

[river rain]

I do not know if anyone has a lot of extra time on there hands. But if thay do, would anyone be willing to take a look through the Louisiana events jernal and the web pages from the official sight and compile a list of mentioned people? So something like (name/occupation/ notable info (sutch as if thay own something of note sutch as the person who is the creator of the inhalant on the last page of the LE book or the doctor becoming corrupted and presumable becoming the butcher/spider, or if thay are related to someone.)/ and if thay are alive or dead). Something that might let us see "so he was talking to him, who has connections there, witch is ran by him." maby someone has already done that, but if not then mabe we should look into it. Might show us something. Or nothing.

[slim hatch]

Don't think i've much time on my hands upcoming week or so + @crude carbon =.= Still waiting on our answers.

But if i get to it before someone else i'll take a look

[bright quest]

what do you guys think about this boi being mounted somewhere on a map? 😄

[cold badger]

Lol no

[remote falcon]

@bright quest a friend told me about the very same idea a while ago - it could be interesting imo ^^ Those things have a very limited arc of fire I think

Smoke generator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrwmTbh_yys

also very limited amount of ammo

it would be easy to know where to throw that dynamite stick 😛

[slim hatch]

PEEPSIES WE GOT AN ANSWER! THX @crude carbon and @elfin laurel
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1he9akd3ZVEcMijbaTUilVgp-0dTyDHtbrZ3PCCE8Khg/edit?usp=sharing

I've disabled editing for now to avoid unnecessary headache if someone gets butthurt about something.

All in all Lore writer is a bastard (JK Love the lad for answering) ambiguous questions are answered with ambiguous answers! There goes the attempt to get his tongue loose.

Now either we need to go on a full new cycle to assemble lore or wait for new material to float-up. Also one of the mods maybe pin this?

Or at least the URL with answers

[burnt storm]

The answers make me pretty optimistic about the importance of lore in hunt for developers.

[graceful edge]

Hopefully we can get some narration during loading screens or some sort of journal that gets filled out as we rank up.

[burnt storm]

Well, the game could follow the path of overwatch, for example. For that hunt has to be very successful, of course, to keep a big team constantly working on it, bringing in new maps and lore all the time. I would love a singleplayer standalone game too.

Although here comes the question of time. Let's suppose we are given a different event to play. The one in 1885, for example. Will they leave the same weapons? Or just bring in some older ones while allowing more modern ones too because 'it's just a game'?

[remote igloo]

If they did a different time piece/map that was separate. They could have an entirely new bloodline with 'other' guns for that time period

This way it would keep people interested in playing the new content but with the requirement to go up the blodline rank so 100s wouldn't have a leg up over brand new people that bought it day 1

OIther than experience of course

[burnt storm]

Crytek buys chivalry developers to make a new medieval map for hunt:showdown

[remote igloo]

Heh

Castlevania style with whips and crossbows

[slim hatch]

Also guys any idea why author refers to sculptor as ‘your sculptor’ if i recall thats how the entity is called

Also i see a contradiction in lore

The hunter’s letter to his daughter stated the gift is inherited yet response states that gift is gained upon initiation

Also we got it confirmed that dark sight indeed affects the user on physical level

[burnt storm]

^Might be both. You could inherit a certain potential but initiation is the way to activate it.

[slim hatch]

Also i’m starting to suspect the high reward isn’t the money but something else

Since it’s now confirmed that hunters are all indeed AHA members

Yet they are selfish willing to kill the other members for that ‘higher reward’

[slim hatch]

Thanks Maq

Also lore writer dodged spider question based on ambiguous writing

[burnt storm]

I think the writer answered this way because of what question he was asked. The question is basically from a literature class. About 1 trait all entities have in classic literature. Feels like that's not what they built the whole idea around.

So he didn't really dodge it, it's just not the kind of question he expects to read.

[slim hatch]

I mean we know that spider is human but it’s still far from the traits displayed

Hence the wording as it just looks off

[burnt storm]

But I don't think writers even thought about everything in the light of certain traits that sculptor is expected to demonstrate so we can't make an assumption that someone else is at play if that's what you mean

[slim hatch]

Yeah question was exactly aimed to see if something else is at play

[river rain]

Things are beginning to take shape.

[remote igloo]

So I'm curious on the first answer. "The new Orleans event starts (again) around 1895" Does that mean that the event starts again, as in multiple, or that they are restarting that it takes place in 1895 Again, like in we've answered this already.

With regards to the sundering, that makes sense. That must be the initial incident that sundered the walls between our dimensions etc...

[cold badger]

Oof i was right about hunters not having to kill each other

[remote igloo]

True, but it's just like the game mechanic. You don't HAVE to kill the others

I'm more interested in 'why' the bounty is so high

[cold badger]

Well wandering into a monster infested swamp to kill a giant spider freak isnt exactly charity work

[burnt storm]

I hope we won't get an answer like "500$ was a lot in those times" and maybe get a new reward for extracting with the bounty.

Or rather for banishing the boss and extracting with the bounty as hunter by banishing creates a connection which allows him to enhance his "darkside" abilities or something. Because for me as a solo player there's not much incentive to grab the bounty since the reward for killing the boss is so high/

[cold badger]

Solo is for lusrrs

[burnt storm]

I won't even respond to that

[cold badger]

Thats more gameplay related

[burnt storm]

Basing gameplay mechanics around lore is the best thing.

[cold badger]

Tru

[remote igloo]

I wonder if we are sent back in time and the bounty is just the way back out

[cold badger]

Hm

Probably not

[remote igloo]

Well the way it's phrased "Are the hunters dealing with a literal hell, or is this just another dimension that emulates real life concepts of hell?
A: Both…

So it’s known that this incident is recoverable as there are present time people looking back in history towards some events.
Do the incidents grow in escalation as well?"

So if present day people can view the event it doesn't make sense that there isn't time involved

Specifically saying that this incident is recoverable

Which wouldn't make sense if people from present time view it that way

[cold badger]

The swamp isnt the hell

Hell is where youre banishing monsters to

[remote igloo]

Emphasis on this

So it’s known that this incident is recoverable as there are present time people looking back in history towards some events.
Do the incidents grow in escalation as well?"
So if present day people can view the event it doesn't make sense that there isn't time involved

[cold badger]

How does that make it time travel

[remote igloo]

Because it literally says, "there are present time people looking back in history towards some events."

[cold badger]

Yeah

Looking at a history textbook doesnt make me a time traveller

The lorebook has a excerpt from the 70s

[remote igloo]

Why would present time people look back at an event if it's recoverable? Wouldn't it be 'recovered' as in PAST tense

And the books seem like they are feeding information to people in the past in how some iof it's worded

[cold badger]

No

The books are a compilation of information made after the louisiana incident

[burnt storm]

Actually, that might make sense. And that's what might make events of the 1895 special. The ability to travel to other time and prevent other occasions or go to other dimensions for those bounties which might be used in a ritual to prevent new "events" from happening or something else. Especially if we're told that there are two types of portals and one of them allows to travel to other dimensions. That would also make perfect sense with the weapons arsenal being the same throughout different maps/events/years.

[cold badger]

There arent different maps though

[burnt storm]

A multiplayer game with only one map for its life cycle? Come on.

[cold badger]

Yeah but we dont know if the maps are set in different times

Youre grabbing at straws

[remote igloo]

1885 is interesting in that America's 1st recorded serial murders took place in Austin, Texas.

[burnt storm]

Not really. It will be in a different place and different place means different event and different time

Not guaranteed but very likely

[cold badger]

Think itll all be 1890s

The time period is such an integral part of the gamre i cant see them chsnging it

Maybe branch into early 1900s or 1880s too

[burnt storm]

I mean most important part making that feeling are hunters themselves and their equipment. The surrouding swamps could be 50 years later/earlier and it would't feel too much different

Or that (AGAIN) might be relating to two events happening the same year and I would be slightly disappointed with that. But only slightly.

[cold badger]

I would be way happier with 2 different events in totally different places at the same time than 2 times in 1 place

Because like you said itd be no different

[burnt storm]

Who's saying one place?

I just made an example of swamps

Hell, it could be Aztec or Maya times and location. Would still look pretty gud.

Coming back to that AGAIN there is a note in the book about the yellow fever of 1878 in New Orleans

[cold badger]

New orleans had many yellow fever outbreaks

[burnt storm]

But that one is mentioned in the book.

And if there were many occasions of yellow fever, our events could be presented as yellow fever to cover it up.

Also, you get "cards of the true deck" for selling beast's husk to AHA. So might be that tarot cards are a reward for the bounties.

Did anyone translate the letter btw?

In the book

[remote igloo]

Other notable items in 1885 that seem interesting:

Dr. Lazarus Ludwig Zamenhof (1859-1917), Polish ophthalmologist, invented the artificial language known as Esperanto.

Managua, Nicaragua, was leveled by an earthquake.

The 70-room Herrenchiemsee Castle of Ludwig II of Bavaria was built on an island in Lake Chiemsee.

Alphonse Bertillon of the Paris Police Dept. (Surete) developed the Bertillon system to help identify criminals. It was based on a variety or personal characteristics including hair and eye color and various body measurements.

English scientist Francis Galton proved that no two 2 fingerprints were identical.

America's 1st recorded serial murders took place in Austin, Texas.

A new star appeared in the Great Nebula of Andromeda.

Nov 26, The 1st photograph of a meteor was made.

Aug 30, Some 13,000 meteors were seen in 1 hour near Andromeda.

Feb 25, US Congress condemned barbed wire around government grounds.

The last one is more funny than not

[slim hatch]

@remote igloo Present time means 1895 in world context that is present

No time traveil involved here

@burnt storm

@cold badger 100% Agree to your response

I think even considering time traveling is ridiculous incidents vary that is confirmed, incidents have occurred over the course of history it's confirmed that game is solid set on it's age.

Maximum we get 1-2 years +/- in context of story

[burnt storm]

That’s much more likely, true. But if we have portals between dimensions it could be used and explained in many different ways.

There’s basically nothing there to say it’s impossible.

And it would be a neat excuse to send us to whatever event in the past with the equipment we have.

[slim hatch]

Those are what ifs and i prefer not to speculate on something we have really little basis on.

Dimensions is quantum physics rather than time. That's why while it might be fun 90% of the time nailing time-travel is impossible

One or the other way it goes wrong and suspension of disbelief collapses thus making potentially a great story into nothing but a cringe-fest

[burnt storm]

Well, you don’t have to speculate on that if you don’t like

[slim hatch]

Nah I'm worried that if we speculate too much we will lose focus from piecing lore together and dwell into fan-lore which is basically fan-fiction and that will be bad in terms of giving clarity to the given world.

[gleaming pawn]

Nerds

[main quail]

😂😂

[slim hatch]

points tentacle at the two above @elfin laurel "They laughing at us! It hurts our feels!" adjusts 5cm thick glasses

[plush trout]

grabs asthma inhaler in anger

[burnt storm]

struggles to get out of the school locker but still joins the rebellion

[elfin laurel]

Why are you in a locker?!

[slim hatch]

@elfin laurel We nerds have united here to declare that we will no longer tolerate this vile oppression! If our demands for after lunch naps and geek-cons 10 times a year all over the globe won't be made! We shall riot by stopping to do and produce the geeky stuff that you regulars use on the daily basis!

[burnt storm]

Isn’t that where nerds live? 😮 Or am I pretending to be a nerd too badly?

[slim hatch]

No no you nailed it man

Fuck

Don't break character!

[elfin laurel]

Whats wrong with being a nerd?

I'm a nerd?

got a problem with that?!

[burnt storm]

Which locker are you from?

[plush trout]

You can be the girl in our nerd club

[slim hatch]

tentacleface "It's a reference to how we used to be treated up to late 2000's.

Excuse me?

@plush trout Now that calls for a duel!

I'm the alpha bitch here.

[burnt storm]

Wait are you a girl? 😮

[slim hatch]

Yes

[burnt storm]

Damn I am not supposed to be able to argue with a girl as a nerd

[slim hatch]

With glorious AA Boobs!

[burnt storm]

I should be extremely shy, right? I mean I am

[plush trout]

Do you want to join my nerd crew

[slim hatch]

Bitch please I'm the alpha nerd since i'm an Info Technology and Info Communication technology Engineer on top of that 😄

So it voids my Gender perk

And gives me Alpha Nerd perk

See everything makes sense now doesn't it?

[burnt storm]

blushes and loses all thoughts

runs away

[plush trout]

ALPHA NERD

[slim hatch]

Okay settle down back on topic

[remote igloo]

@The Essence of Darkness and Evil#7241 I just looked back at the document. The phrase I pulled wasn't even the Lore person who wrote it which explains why it has present tense AND past tense in the same sentence. -.- Yes, it was a bit far fetched that time travel could be there, but I also did base that off incorrect info. I thought the empty circle indents where another answer/person chiming in. >.<