lore-discussion

[noble scarab]

It’s rarely used, but nice to have if you want it

The non deadeye version is less helpful with its ungodly sight

[loud steeple]

I think having a deadeye was the only reason they created the match

[icy brook]

If you look at the original art of the obrez on the Hunt website, the match art was originally named the obrez

I suspect the render or the start of one was in the files so they just dropped it

[topaz mirage]

I have a theory

[noble scarab]

Back to the community event, why is daughter of decay in with the sowers? Are we just going off vibes and costumes now

[granite shard]

yes

honestly the last one was too

thorn wreath I find rly weird since I don't think you can currently purchase her

[noble scarab]

True

[granite shard]

isn't she locked to the christmas season?

[noble scarab]

Daughter of decay is a dlc, thorn wreath is the Christmas one

[granite shard]

yeah

that's who I thought was extra weird

bc that puts the scarecrow team at more of a disadvantage since a lot of players straight up might be unable to get one of the hunters

[deft storm]

yes sir...that's what I said, the bare minimum

what in sin is Shadow Crush

Wow, what's it called?

[supple smelt]

Merwin and Hulbert revolver

[analog pendant]

Shadow crush was a trait during the murder Circus event where you could kill or damage ai using dark sight to “crush” their heads, also did decent damage against larger ai

[topaz mirage]

Theory time? 👽

[deft storm]

danke

[deft storm]

Psychomantis Stranger Things telekinetic head squishing, huh?....they really went Black Ops cringey with that event

[granite shard]

Not unless it’s entirely different than your previous theories.

[worthy nova]

They should not have made shadow leap & crush imo. Somehow feels out of place for hunt, and too powerful

[noble scarab]

Neither of those traits are powerful though? And they fit with the lore more or less

[remote dust]

We are not letting the Rednecks die

William Moses is an American hero

[mint wind]

She's currently available in the shop !

[gilded umbra]

And he makes good Moonshine. 🥃

[loud steeple]

You can purchase her rn

[granite shard]

ah I thought she was locked to christmas time

[noble scarab]

i guess per crytek it is now christmas

[granite shard]

I also could just be misremembering how she works

[noble scarab]

shes still wildly expensive for no reason

1950bb for her bundle, or 1500bb for just her

which makes the bundle seem like such a better deal

however, most other hunters are 1000bb max

[deft storm]

Probably means “Too powerful” not as in hit point damage value, but more in terms of a relatively plausible realistic tone in Hunt SD (verisimilitude, as Rai says)…teleporting and dragon ball skull crushing powers seem like they went overboard, like the hunters are in The Matrix or something.

[granite shard]

I think shadow leap worked as something exclusive to tide of desolation when the lotd was so fucked bc it played into that, with it being you traveling through the lotd

But it still being around is eh

[deft storm]

ehh

[strange bane]

Am I the only one who would enjoy a sling shot or sling like weapon?

Just a sling maybe? Lol make it a tool

[spiral mica]

Anytime a teammate says the word "shadow" midgame I get so excited, but then they end it with "leap" and my excitement turns to disappointment.

[strange bane]

Heheheh

[spiral mica]

Yeah, shadiw leap was a good trait during the event, but now it's so underwhelming.

And sometimes it bugs out and doesn't teleport, but still siphons your health away.

[zenith perch]

So Daughter of Decay is on the side of corruption now?

[spiral mica]

What makes you think that?

[granite shard]

I honestly wouldn’t take these as super canon

[spiral mica]

That was my impression, yeah.

[granite shard]

Like already the last one was weird splitting up the death pact but I think this is the nail in the coffin lol

[zenith perch]

Dang I thought it would have been cool

Gives me a reason to play as daughter of decay again

Haven't played her in a very long time

I kinda regret missing out on her weapon charm

But it looked kinda mid

[brittle patrol]

The writing style seems rather characteristic. Any theories with regard to who has lost this dog? 🤠

[real cedar]

The full story about that can be read here:
https://huntshowdown.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore/Hellhound_Mastery

[brittle patrol]

interesting how this Lost-poster has a sequel. It's rather sentimental with a sprinkle of madness.

Thanks for sharing. At least i know the writer is an (old?) man who is also a hunter and uses a ''six-shooter'' and has probably been betrayed by friends in the past.

[real dove]

DoD being team corruption is indeed really odd to me

Agreed that I don't think the pvp events are the most canon

She just looks like she belongs to team scarecrow

[worthy nova]

Would be cool as a tool to enhance decoy throwing

(Back to the shadow traits) Can’t put my finger on it exactly, but if you’ve seen the direction black ops has gone, shadow leap / crush feel like that same vein? Teleportation, psychokinesis feel like too much to me.

Shadow leap being a one use burn trait, to escape a bad situation, seems alright. (If they HAVE to keep it)

[real dove]

I've yet to see shadow leap used in a way to be good in a fight

It's handy for getting to roofs

Since hives

[granite shard]

I would not mind if shadow leap was just removed from the game tbh

All it ever does it mildly annoy me when I see it over shadow

[real dove]

But in a world where darksight (seeing with your eyes closed) exists, I don't mind it. We have plenty of odd traits (bladeseer, blademancer, poltergeist, etc etc) that can be argued to be odd

Fair. I grab it when I see it as I do like the occasional utility

[granite shard]

I do honestly think the perks where darksight does more than just let you see stuff really pushes the limits of the fantasy

Like shadow leap worked in the specific circumstance of “the land of the dead is fucked and we’re weaponizing that” but now we’re out of that scenario

[real dove]

No disagreement

[worthy nova]

Yeah, i think blade mancer and poltergeist should prob go also… darksight powers being a tool for observation / clue & bounty interaction feels fine (although I suppose using serpent for bounty counts as teleportation/ telekinesis?)

[real cedar]

Serpent interacts directly with clues and bounties only so it still feels proper. Vigor and the old Witness healing similarly feel right, interacting with life force since it's a blood serum.
It's really just the telekineses stuff that feels odd, we don't hear about it in the stories at all.

[worthy nova]

Something about the limited circumstances / power of the bounty make this feel alright

Right, vigor is a neat concept

and witness i like

[real dove]

I like polt lol

[noble scarab]

These people are already supernaturally imbued, what’s a little telekinesis

As a treat

It might be neat if the bounty did give some kind of temporary buff to those dark sight related abilities

Carrying a bounty could buff blade seer into blademancer, or give poltergeist a a bigger range, maybe make shadow leap able to leap to meatheads

The whole harvest of ghosts event was about how hunters were figuring out more to do with their dark sight we just got no lore to back it up with

[real dove]

Don't remind me

Was so hopeful

Would be cool to see more bounty related stuff

Esp with how ez it is to get dark sight now wo bounty

[worthy fern]

Why is Mercy Zeener helping kill some random redneck family?

[real cedar]

She's kinda mental now after getting Rotjaw's arc bloom straight to the brain

[worthy nova]

Is the Lilith Hunter a reference to a real person?

[real cedar]

I doubt it, there isn't much to go on compared to how they usually showcase referenced Hunters. No similar name, no cheeky line, the DLC image doesn't reference anything, etc.

[worthy nova]

Okay. I remember them saying “a familiar face is entering the bayou” in her promo, but maybe cuz she was in the judge story or something?

[real cedar]

I think cause she was in the Web of the Empress trailer a month prior

[worthy nova]

okay, maybe that’s it

[acoustic whale]

any news on lil wayne being added?

[noble scarab]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/Hzw25DRQQX

A rare lore post on the sub

[deft storm]

No, but we got Druski... best that could be done on short notice

maybe Mr. Beast can buy Crytek

[analog pendant]

Lunchly skin for the medkit when??

[deft storm]

glad I don't know who that is

[orchid tangle]

who indeed

[acoustic whale]

pewdiepie skin + lore

[bold ruin]

It also surprised me seeing Jane Eddings working with the redneck family, judging by her lore she feels more likely to work with the demented pact, Corvid obsession etc

[versed crater]

Q.:
In some mythologies the dead ones have they'r own tongue.
In what language woul'd the Grunts speak if they could.
And why they are not able?
Is the power that is controlling them so primal and aggressive?

[orchid tangle]

from what I can tell they're not dead they're just possessed, the person is still there

they are decaying so I wouldn't doubt their body is just too broken to speak

[gilded umbra]

Sometimes it sounds like a Hive is yelling, “Get Out!”

[versed crater]

I like the idea of hidden speech.
I was thinking about it thx to HL2 games. There, if you play the scream audio of the headcrap zombies in reverse, You can clearly hear them in english wail for help! And for "dear god" when you burn them. Here the Grunts are powered just by rage and infinite hunger it seems.
No connectivity of higher mind, or frustration if they cant reach you. Still love the detail that they are mostly holding weapons able to use basic tools for violent purpuses.

[uneven bolt]

Instant ravenholm flashback

[orchid shoal]

Is the homestead 78 the canon gun of pappy redneck?

Or are they somehow related?

[loud steeple]

Pappy redneck’s canon gun is the deadeye crossbow

As far as I know skinless weapons aren’t the canon weapon of any hunter

[spiral mica]

Will you be changing your nickname once inferno finally returns?

[loud steeple]

We’ll see how long inferno is back

[spiral mica]

Hopefully permanently, but last time they tried to bring it back it bugged out.

The ground where the fire was supposed to be would glow, but no flames or smoke would appear so you'd just be standing someplace and start burning suddenly and possibly lose bars because of it.

[fickle sluice]

The corrupted don't speak, because the sculptor does not make them speak. It is assumed that the people who have been turned into grunts for example are still in there, trapped and helpless victims. Held hostage in their own bodies. They witness everything they are forced to do and that is done to them. They feel and taste everything. Which is tragic. Imagine being forced to feed upon a dead horse, feeling your horrificly mutilated body slowly decaying after you have been forced by a higher power to devour your own family just to be stabbed in the brain by a absent-minded hunter on their way through the bayou.

[acoustic whale]

so instead of hunters working together to defeat the monsters of the bayou they kill each other for bounty, gg

[upbeat kiln]

Well, to be fair. Not a lot of reason to work together since none of benefactors reward you for it. If I let you extract with the bounty, only you stand to gain from it. Why should I risk my life to make you richer? I'd much rather just take the bounty for myself 😄

[acoustic whale]

what about focusing on killing the monsters and ending the corruption instead of fighting over bounty

[upbeat kiln]

I think that objective deteriorated over the years as splinter cells and factions of different believes slowly pulled in different directions. You still have groups fighting for the greater good, but since most hesitation and hopes of mutual cooperation in the bayou equals you dying, it is essentially the Dark Forest hypothesis in effect.

If want to survive:
Assume everyone is hostile.
Stay hidden.
Shoot first if you can.

[acoustic whale]

what about the government? there sure is one atleast

[real cedar]

Most of the government doesn't know about the incursions or the AHA. The parts that do are the ones benefitting from it, and help to keep it a secret.

[acoustic whale]

government doesn't know there is a whole infection/corruption going on in louisiana?

[real cedar]

The governor dismissed it as idle talk of the poor and the AHA has people on the ground containing the info, so word just doesn't get out. It's in the middle of nowhere as well, the area had no broader benefit to the country, so there's nobody really checking up on it.

[acoustic whale]

interesting

ok that clears things up a bit then

[real cedar]

There's plenty of little details that would contradict it if you dug into it like the train full of monsters traveling across the country in Desolation's Wake or the fact the AHA got dismantled so who is actually protecting the secret now, but since they haven't bothered to straightforwardly explore the idea that the government knows more, it's safe to assume that somehow info just hasn't spread - or perhaps it has, but has been dismissed by anyone important.

[mint wind]

Or people are just not really informed about the otherworldy aspect of the corruption and just think about a crisis that doesn't affect them personnally, so they just wait for it to calm down.

[atomic eagle]

this woman definitely would not help the scarecrow. lol

[granite shard]

these things are pretty dubiously canon honestly, more marketing than writers I think

[atomic eagle]

no no. i figured. it's just funny to see her on the bad side

[worthy basin]

In event trailers/cinematics, when Hunters are depicted as dying or killed are they canonically killed/dead or are the events in the trailer not 100% canon. Example being the latest one for the current event where most Hunters from the battlepass or bundles, are killed by each other or the spiderlings. Are those Hunters canonically dead now?

[granite shard]

no

[real cedar]

Videos are generally not canon unless something else in lore references them, like Hardin meeting Rotjaw. There are clear examples of how trailers aren't real where they use game models or locations as simulations of what the real story is, such as The Reaper's wife and kid being Lulu and The Kid, or The Conspirator being burned at the stake by Hardin in Upper DeSalle, despite it actually happening by the British on an island.

[granite shard]

the trailer for tide of desolation also shows a few demented hunters getting killed that doesn't happen

[orchid tangle]

I still want Hardin to have a convict nemesis, I think that's a more realistic but silly idea rather than fairy tale characters

just one of the prisoners he made go fight that lived

[gilded umbra]

Desolation’s Wake 🌞

[spiral mica]

goated event fr

probably my favorite besides tide of shadows.

[spiral mica]

What about stuff like Leonel Frisk killing those hunters on DeSalle(?) and his parents investigating his carnage afterwards?

I feel like those two trailers are pretty accurate to the story.

[real cedar]

Probably canon, but it doesn't really change things this way or that if the video is canon or not.

[spiral mica]

True, I was going to also say how it isn't really a major event in the grand scheme of things. Nobody named or important necessarily dies in either trailer and it's really just a visual indication of what Leonel Frisk is up to and his parents trying to locate him.

[real cedar]

The lines in the trailer 😂
"The things that were once dear to me, now twisted for the world to see"
Truly captures how I feel about the Murder Circus

[granite shard]

[fickle sluice]

Are they fucking kidding me?

[real cedar]

What's wrong, are you not excited for Post Malone’s Murder Circus 2: Corruption Boogaloo?

[noble scarab]

Who has yearly post Malone event on their bingo calendar

But also please crytek tone down the PM on everything.

[topaz light]

I added it just now

😔

[noble scarab]

We only need 5 PM per square inch of skin, not 10

[topaz light]

I'd be happy with 0 mentions

[granite shard]

it's not too late to reconsider crytek

[noble scarab]

Does this mean we might get bear fights?

Can we make ursa mortis fight our now normal swamp bears

[supple smelt]

Cherry on top would be 4 post Malone skins

twice the circus twice the Malone

[real cedar]

Post Malone gets his own Tier 1 to Tier 3 set of evolving skins

[noble scarab]

Do we get another evil rock

[supple smelt]

I actually wonder

Are any of his tattoos referencing something modern

Cause aren’t the ones in game 1:1

[supple smelt]

Honestly surprised they haven’t done it for a paid skin

[noble scarab]

Does the viper count?

He was paid for the last couple of evolutions

[fickle sluice]

God I hate business lawyers

[supple smelt]

yeah but they were 1 skin divided into 4

Not an actual tiered one

[real cedar]

Viper was the start of Hunter variants but we've yet to see a paid skin you actually have to unlock by getting to level 50 with its first variant. Seems unlikely they'd go for that considering people wouldn't exactly be excited to buy locked content and only maybe get access to it later.

[fickle sluice]

Well, I guess I have to adapt my steam review...

[supple smelt]

Kinda funny the Hunter variants just ended up being split into different skins

I thought that system was neat

Don’t see why they removed it

[real cedar]

UI issues, you'd have to right click the small icon in the grid view to change the skin

[granite shard]

it's weird bc it felt like they never really used evolving hunters for evolving hunters past the viper and just did different people

[supple smelt]

The worst duo variant skin is the 2 metal cage heads that look almost identical

[granite shard]

like scourge morrigan/midian and the trappers

but then as soon as 2.0 hit we got hunters that were actually akin to the evolving hunter concept... just sold as two different guys

[supple smelt]

I hope they do a DLC or something with 1 hunter that levels up

[supple smelt]

Grotesque?

[granite shard]

and little red riding hood

and annie oakley

[supple smelt]

I think grotesque might be the single worst variant skin to exist yet

[granite shard]

yeah grotesque is just insane how that was allowed to happen

[supple smelt]

You wouldn’t be able to tell them apart

Literally just the eye holes change

It’s insane

[fickle sluice]

I am so irrationally angry right now

[real cedar]

I'm not as mad cause I noticed it a week ago and went through the stages.
The few of us that caught on cause of the circus in the background of the first teaser image kept it quiet so people could have an extra week of ignorance

[supple smelt]

The hooded skin is post Malone

Wow

His Krag skin is snake themed

[fickle sluice]

See... I was just hoping. I did notice the fucking tent. I did expect the event being recycled. But I was hoping they would ditch that goofy ass and not force a collab on me

[granite shard]

it's likely a licensing thing

a bad contract orsomething would be my guess

[fickle sluice]

As I said: I hate business lawyers

[real cedar]

I had such high hopes when I saw the "return" and the snake theme, I thought someone cool like Russel "Snakeskin" Chambers could become a playable hunter

[fickle sluice]

I'll take fucking Snake Pliskin if it means I don't have to suffer that face

[supple smelt]

This sounds like a fake name they’d use in MGS

[bold ruin]

I know its not about the upcoming return of post, but anyone else wondering just what in the hell the hanged man did to warrant that many (failed) executions?

Like god damn, what did bro do

[icy brook]

Merkin theft

[fickle sluice]

Inappropriate handling of a rooster

[supple smelt]

tried hanging himself and got sentenced to a hanging

[bold ruin]

Mission failed successfully

[real cedar]

Press release is out:
https://press.crytek.com/post-malones-murder-circus-encore-coming-soon-to-hunt-showdown-1896-come-one-come-all-for-the-deadliest-spectacle-of-the-year

Just when the memory of the carnage had begun to fade, reports confirm the impossible: the Corrupted circus has rematerialized. Its surreal, malevolent atmosphere once again bleeds into the gritty historical setting of Hunt, plunging Hunters into a holiday season they will not forget. As old foes and new alliances prepare for a final confrontation, a fresh threat emerges from the wings, promising chaos.

This encore performance brings a host of new horrors and treasures, including themed Legendary Hunters, weapon variants, Legendary Skins, and in-game activities. The Event arrives alongside the massive Update 2.6, which brings back some old friends like the rebalanced and redesigned Shredder weapon, as well as new deadly toys and a unique new feature that will allow players to express themselves like never before!

Adding more to the excitement, Update 2.6 will introduce new Story Challenges, providing players with narrative-driven content in the form of multiple chapter challenges providing exciting rewards. These new journeys will take different forms and are time limited. Story Challenges will be available in-game and will kick off with the release of Post Malone’s Murder Circus Encore.```

Sad to hear that the story challenges are just what they're calling community events, I thought it might be something new and more focused on giving players new stuff to strive for.

[dense stag]

pm forced crytek into releasing at least one pm event a year

[tall lava]

I don't think that is what they mean though

At least I don't read it as such in the press release

"These new journeys will take different forms and are time limited. Story Challenges will be available in-game and will kick off with the release of Post Malone’s Murder Circus Encore."

[real cedar]

Idk, time limited challenges that give rewards? Unless it's just Questlines again - which were scrapped for being a bust - idk what else it could be. It seems very reminiscent of the Judgement of the Fool multi-chapter community event.

If they weren't time limited I'd assume it's something new, but saying that means it's event-specific

Different forms could just be PvE challenges and PvP challenges

and they did say they wanted to get an in-game system for the events but couldn't create it in time for Web of the Empress

[supple smelt]

Haven’t they referred to the fool events and stuff as story challenges

[tall lava]

Not that I know of

[mint wind]

So this time the hooded guy is the Disciple of Death. Actually hope that it will be his complete name and not get the PM before it.

[noble scarab]

Post Malone: Disciple of Death PM PM

Also a reminder that chary died for nothing, buddy should’ve just joined the circus, he could have been in TLOTD as much as he wanted

And the magic rock is back, but they also said it wasn’t a magic rock before, so now I guess it was a real magic rock

Also

[icy brook]

I like how Mcguffins are so often magic rock

Good thing JK Rowling invented that convention in fiction

[earnest jungle]

This is God punishing me for something I know it

[icy brook]

We forge the chains we wear in life

[noble scarab]

Post Malone has come to judge us for our sins

[spiral mica]

Sir Post Malone Ofnir the All-posting
Crytek has high hopes that we continue to suffer

[granite shard]

even gideon does not deserve this crossover

[supple smelt]

I have to inhale hopium that it’s just a single PM skin and an otherwise normal event

[earnest jungle]

The Pale Malone

And Me Scognamiglio's Fool Heir

Anti-life justifies my hate

[manic glade]

Ive never read the lore part of hunt showdown, any tips on how or where to start?

[real cedar]

It depends if you want to deep dive into the lore or just a general understanding.
For a deep dive, starting from the beginning is a good way to see how things were laid out and developed over time. You can read through the compendium in the pinned comments of this channel from start to finish to get a full reading of the lore, then move on to reading details about specific Hunters and such, or you can do similar on the wiki by starting at the top of this page and going down. https://huntshowdown.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore

If you want a more general feeling of the game's lore narrated by our best Hunt lore youtuber, check out HazmatFTW's videos.

[tropic tide]

Post malone does not fit into Hunt Showdowns lore ("period")

[orchid tangle]

guys...

[strange bane]

“Somehow….Post Malone returned “

They did say this was the finale, so sheesh I will take what is offered and hope the skins are at least nice lol

Excited to see what they have in store for us with more player expression though

[loud steeple]

Pubg style icons next to your name that are worthless and mean nothing, I’m guessing

[real dove]

I think it'll be akin to charms

Some folks will like it and some folks will just ignore it

[spiral mica]

I hope it's hats.

[acoustic whale]

yo post malone is returning!!

heck yeah

finally crytek is listening to the community

[loud steeple]

[spiral mica]

Tbh I figured at some point they'd bring back the murder circus. I just didn't expect it to be for a second holiday season in a row.

The climax message of the previous murder circus event insinuated that it somehow manifested to the land of the dead awaiting to return.

I guess that also might explain why it's seen on several maps. It's still just one circus, but it moves around somehow.

I know this is like scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of narrative, but this is what we're getting so I'll try to enjoy as best I can.

Hopefully next year for the holidays we see a return to more Christmas/holiday themes and possibly a snow condition or something.

[dull hearth]

I've been hoping a snow map a long time. That would be a nice change.

[supple smelt]

I’d much rather have a winter themed pass than a circus one

maybe next year we’ll get a snow map

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[acoustic whale]

i don't care as long as post is back

i hope they expand the lore a bit more around his character this time

[real dove]

I hope they've learned and it's less focused on him. I think that it's likely the circus cannot return without the post name on in

On it*

And that this has been in the works for a long time, and was always going to happen regardless. Judging from the two teasers, he doesn't seem quite so a punch you in the face PM but will have to see the BP to be sure

[acoustic whale]

i don't care if you guys disagree with me but snoop dog plays and streams (likely plays hunt too), if they can collab with him it would be sick and he'd fit right in

[real dove]

Fair. I don't want to see anyone outside of PSB or devs after post, but we will see in time how it goes

[acoustic whale]

Lil Wayne too because of the face tattoos

[candid fulcrum]

Found this on the Teaser Supplys you guys think its a new song or just lore ?

[real cedar]

It's teasing the new album, Shadows Wake. The album releases on December 12th but I'm guessing the December 10th is going to be the event's start date, the same as this event's end date.

They did a similar teasing back in 2021 for their first album The Sinners Songbook, you could find posters in game teasing a Port Sulphur Band concert in DeSalle

[fickle sluice]

It's also the poster that is one of the extras when you order a vinyl

[upbeat kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-abbott-elementary-gregory-greg-abbott-gif-11973503723217435922

[gilded umbra]

I just read the latest Bileweaver lore. It was awesome. 👏🏼

[spiral mica]

Survey time! 🕑

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-charlie-feeling-evil-plan-masterplan-gif-120341860965623954

[real cedar]

I like the word association in this cosmetic survey. It gives a lot more nuance to "I like it / don't like it" and will hopefully give Crytek new info on what sorts of things players want to see more of.

[tall lava]

Except when people rate Lilith highly and they look at the words associated and it's 99% "attractive"

Gonna be the theme for hunter skins of 2026

[noble scarab]

I think the empress was the weakest of the skins this go round

Mainly her web crown bugs me

[tall lava]

Yeah she had a cool description but goofy look

[mint wind]

Still a nice one !

But she do be goofy.

[real cedar]

It's interesting cause most of the skin is really solid and thematic and then you get to the mantle+headpiece and it goes goofy.

An interesting thing I hadn't noticed in Heritage Pork before. The Moreau family gets mentioned in the Louisiana Slugger story as members of the New Orleans upper class.

[spiral mica]

I was happy to finally get an arachnid themed hunter, and tbf the one we got isn't terrible, but during matches she sticks out like a sore thumb and unfortunately one of the major visual cues for her spider theme is that whole silk crown she wears.

She's also a female hunter and I really wish Crytek would change female hunters being louder than male hunters when they melee or take damage.

I get realistically women can put out more decibels than men, but I don't want realism I want balance to the audio and sound cues.

[real cedar]

I believe this did get fixed an update or two ago, they changed the audio to try and balance it out but people hearing higher pitches more clearly is still somewhat subjective so it can't be 100% solved.

[spiral mica]

I just miss playing hunters like Gar and Hornback all the time, but then someone jumping me because I melee at the wrong place at the wrong time.

They heard me melee or take damage and I'm just like

[real cedar]

Wow that trailer is packed with stuff, I'll try to collect it all.

Frontier 73C skin and Ringmaster #2?

[granite shard]

"thought you'd seen the last of me" fucking wish we had man

[real cedar]

Drilling family skin set

I wonder if this is a clowned up in-lore Port Sulphur Band singer or just someone else singing their songs?

New hammer skin, and snake-themed bear trap

Horse-themed throwing axe skin, and a guy who can only be described as a 'Headhunter'

[spiral mica]

The elephant frontier 73C skin looks pretty cool, but I'm not hyped for another set of circus themed hunters and weapon skins.

[real cedar]

Small easter egg, we can see the Year of the Horse hunter in the background when Headhunter meets Post Malone

[spiral mica]

Horse hatchet looks cool

[real cedar]

Clear shot of the snake-themed lebel, just as grungy as Post now is

The Pax Banner Shot skin is becoming Agnostic

Full trueshot for comparison, the ejector rod shows the size difference

[gilded umbra]

Is this a trilogy? 🎪

[real cedar]

I hope not 💀

Better shot of the classic strongman and his hammer.

Looks like that might be the Determination heart on his chest

Nah, just a random heart

Better shot of the headhunter, he's got wanted posters strapped to his arm

[gilded umbra]

Shrunken Heads

[real cedar]

And lastly a new Krampus with a terminus skin

Oh and Ursa Mortis of course

[gilded umbra]

Ursa Mortis was definitely angry. 🐻

[real cedar]

I wonder if the High Striker is going to be interactable in game? Would be cool.

[analog pendant]

DA is awesome, but this feels like a proper Krampus skin to me

Imo anyways

[gilded umbra]

The other skin is Santa Claus. 🎅

[fickle sluice]

I still don't like Malone, but the rest seems promising. Skins like the Strongman are the way to go, if you go for circus, at least imho. Rest also looks good. I wonder if that Headhunter guy is an hommage to the Call of Juarez Dude lots of people always cried for. If so: good for them. He seems to fit.

Ray McCall

[real cedar]

Sadly none of the skins this time really speak to me, not even the weapon skins. Very underwhelming style overall

[mint wind]

The strongman.

[fickle sluice]

I kinda like a lot of them

They are not making me buy the pass, but my initial reaction was "Huh... neat!"

Honestly? If they did this the first time around, I would not be so salty about Post Malone.

[real dove]

I'm hopefully

Hopeful

The amount of PM seems much less punch you in the face

Will see what the battle pass looks like. But the weapon skins look good to me

[spiral mica]

🫩

I like some of the weapon skins like the horse and elephant stuff, but I wasn't much of a fan of the circus aesthetic then and I'm not really fond of it now.

[gilded umbra]

It doesn’t seem like it is but I was just curious.

[spiral mica]

None of the hunter skins really speak to me either.

I guess the Krampas one is cool

It'll fit right in with the other Christmas stuff like Perchta, Thorn, Coal bearer, and DA.

[proper olive]

Ok what is the lore on the circus

I’m lost

Because idk who’s technically bad

[real cedar]

The Murder Circus is a corrupted entity that somehow travels through the land of the dead to end up in different areas. Post Malone used to run the circus, and might've been the reason it got corrupted in the first place, but he got deposed as leader (I think Giggles runs it now? She at least guides the circus through the LotD) and Post Malone has spent both of these events trying to hunt the circus.

[proper olive]

Uhhhhh

[real cedar]

Right? 😂

It ultimately doesn't matter, the Murder Circus storyline is totally separate from the Hunt storyline, you can forget it ever happened and nothing changes

[proper olive]

So the circus is alive in simple words and we are trying to stop it?

[fickle sluice]

Have you seen the Tim Burton Batman Movies?

[proper olive]

Nope

[icy brook]

I like this circus better than the last one

[real cedar]

Ah I messed up calling it an entity. The circus is a corrupted unit and seems to bring a bunch of stuff with it when it travels but it's not alive.

[fickle sluice]

Dang

[proper olive]

Ah makes more sense

[fickle sluice]

The circus and the people within remind me very much of a force of moorcockian chaos. As in literally being an agent of violent, unchecked transformation (i.e. corruption) with it's only purpose being the spreading of disorder and upheaval

[real cedar]

Demented Pact 2.0 in a way, except it seems like the majority of the circus survived the corruption, and only the clowns and roustabouts got truly corrupted.

[icy brook]

Peak turn of the century anarchist thought

[real cedar]

The Hyena, Crossroads Walker, Post Malone, Desert Rose, Madame Fate (not a Hunter, just a character), and now this new lady Ringmaster and Strongman all got out of the circus

It kinda does a poor job being a nexus of corruption

[fickle sluice]

honestly, the fact that I managed to foist my Moorcock obsession on this event makes it much more bearable for me. It helps me to think about these things in this duality of chaos and order 😊

[noble scarab]

I don’t hate it as much this go round

Maybe I’m just not expecting much

[icy brook]

Same

[granite shard]

None of the hunters really speak to me

Like the best of them are just like fine but uninspired

[real cedar]

Word for word what I said lol, I guess this time around other people can be hype for what they like

[granite shard]

Hopefully the next event will be more exciting lol

[real cedar]

One last gun that wasn't in the trailer. What is this thing? It's got a hinge like a Scottfield but the cylinder is all wrong, seems longer than it should be.

[granite shard]

Could it just be the artist got details wrong?

I think that’s 2d art not a 3d model

[real cedar]

Possibly, but for being so front and center I'd assume they'd be showcasing something from the event.
Maybe it's a holster gun from his model

[granite shard]

Yeah maybe, just feel like atp they’d say something if they had a new gun

Oh wait

There’s a scarce weapon missing right?

One of the press releases hinted at another new scarce weapon I think

Maybe it’s that?

[real cedar]

I think the new scarce weapon was the shredder coming back, the press release before this newest one just mentioned new toys which the water bottle might count as.

[granite shard]

Oh gotcha

[tall lava]

Idk if they would describe water as raw primal power or whatever the term they used

Pretty sure Post is just holding a scottfield skin there

[granite shard]

The raw primal power of water

A gamer’s greatest counter

[real cedar]

It looks more like a Scottfield Trueshot, I'll try and get a comparative screenshot

Since it's 2d they probably did just get the length wrong and it's not meant to be a new variant. Otherwise they'd have mentioned it

Yeah it's definitely just a Scottfield with some perspective thing throwing me off. The lack of divots in the cylinder especially.

The extended trigger guard and cylinder changes might make this one of the best scottfield skins, it's pretty cool looking if it exists.

[verbal escarp]

Wth this entire time I’m thinking they gonna add something like a blunderbuss or watever all this thinking for it to be a returning weapon

[real cedar]

You can still continue to theorize, the new weapon is coming in 2026
Furthermore, get ready for a significant addition to your arsenal in 2026. While we are not ready to reveal all the surprises, watch out for the glint of a new, experimental firearm that harnesses a primal and destructive force, promising to open up entirely new tactical possibilities.

[icy brook]

I genuinely hope it’s some form of esoteric Cthulhu cult obelisk gun

The dark sight satchel is the only equipment that utilizes esoteric practices to actually kill people

[real cedar]

That sounds extremely not Huntlike 😅 I think flamethrower is probably the answer, especially if it's a proper one that spews fuel on the ground which would be the 'tactical possibilities' thing.

It'd also fit with inferno returning

[granite shard]

I'm bloodborne pilled rn so forgive me but something that could be cool at some point would be like

a weapon that uses your health to some degree

[icy brook]

That’s what I was thinking, or requires looting corpses to charge

After shredder homing frisbees, weapon realism isn’t as important to me as it once was

[real cedar]

I think it's more important than ever now that we've seen what straying from it creates

[granite shard]

I like weapon realism for the most part, but I think there's a way to play with stuff that doesn't ruin things

[real cedar]

Ye, Dark Dynamite Satchel is a good enough unreal weapon that fits with Hunt

[granite shard]

I think the reason why I like the idea of something having a negative impact on you to get a stronger effect is that it would be an active risk to you

like if dum dum bullets made you light bleed to do medium bleed

[icy brook]

I think what I really just want is a Lovecraft reference event, we already have Servant of the Void, we have the technology

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

The Deposed King In Yellow

Post Malone event 3

[granite shard]

[icy brook]

Half is better than nothing

[real cedar]

It was published in 1895 👀

[icy brook]

It’ll probably happen at some point

[manic lichen]

Time skip in lore?

[mint wind]

eye eye

[manic lichen]

Games is called Hunt: Showdown 1896
Looks inside
Takes place in 1898

[real cedar]

Probably just a smudge but I'll see if there's other shots that more clearly show an 8 or a 6

[manic lichen]

Dunno, there is clealy ")" on the upper part and "u" on the lower part.

Could just be an error from the artist

[real cedar]

This one from the teaser makes it look like 1883 or 1890.

[manic lichen]

The grand conspiracy is my worst fear.

[manic lichen]

Hmmmm

[verbal escarp]

What the Theres time travel in hunt now

[real cedar]

It's kinda funny, going frame by frame the numbers shift in how they look based on the lighting

[verbal escarp]

What’s next? Magic tricks?

Next update: hunt now takes place in the year 2050

[manic lichen]

AI confirmed?! D:

[manic lichen]

I mean Post Malone is already there

Could be funny as fuck if the big lore plot twist is that he got send back in time

Horrible for the lore

But funny as fuck

[verbal escarp]

I think the devs are cooking

It’s funny how hunt went from this realistic Wild West shooter to celebrities in the game now 😂

I dnt care really it’s just funny the turn it took

[icy brook]

Money talks

[real cedar]

1893 would make sense on the assumption that these are old tickets. This is no longer a real circus after all, what would they be doing printing new tickets in 1896 for?

[verbal escarp]

I missed the post Malone event tbh took a break from the game

[verbal escarp]

So basically hunt is now back to the future?

[real cedar]

No, they've just got old tickets in storage fluttering about

[verbal escarp]

Ah yeah

[real cedar]

If that's the case, it's pretty good attention to detail, I like it

Judgement of the Fool had a similar case where Doc Redmartin's first bounty was in 1894, before corruption had overtaken DeSalle

[verbal escarp]

Interesting I need to read more of the games lore

I think my lore knowledge is outdated last time I read is like in 2022

All I remember is the factions like American association and sinners and others

Interesting stuff

[real cedar]

You've got a fair bit to catch up on but sadly the lore froze after Scorched Earth, nothing has happened since that event and we've been doing sidequests that don't connect to the main story at all for the last year

I guess the Brute and Bileweaver lore is stuff happening but it doesn't have the same feeling of being connected

We'll see whether these new Story Challenges feel similarly disconnected or if we're actually getting lore back

[verbal escarp]

Also the removal of the books and that from the menu

[proper olive]

So the clowns are crazy?

[real cedar]

Yup, here's Winky, Chum, and Giggles' bios:
A maestro of murder, this silent clown is proficient to an ungodly degree with all manner of firearms and thrown weapons. Reduced by the effects of the HelioStone to a single-minded killer, Winky gets the last laugh by cutting smiles into enemy throats.
Raised in the circus to be nothing more than a source of simple amusement, Chum rose to prominence under the tutelage of the HelioStone. He has become its chosen vessel, issuing its commands and doing its will through acts of violence, power, and terror.
The brains behind The Murder Circus, Giggles steers the operation through the Land of the Dead to reach its new destinations. Wickedly smart and patient, she is far more deadly than she appears.

Though Winky and Chum appear to be dead now and only Giggles remains. Hardly a fair fight considering all the other former circus members gunning for her

[proper olive]

I mean that’s good thing I hate clowns

The undead clowns are canonically dead giggles remain and the new ringmaster

[icy brook]

I like the new ring master’s eye lenses, there is a guy who has won the Quigley rifle match a few times who uses an exact lens setup like she has

[proper olive]

Also it seems the hunters all hate the circus is back

But I’ll take it because the spiders are just creepy and scary

[proper olive]

Also wonder how they get the clowns

[gilded umbra]

RIP 🪦 Chum & Winky 🤡

[icy brook]

Chumlee and Big Hoss were probably my two favorite Hunt characters from the lore tbh

[verbal escarp]

Chumlee from that tv show?

Wtf didn’t know he was in the game

[icy brook]

I’m joking

[verbal escarp]

😂

next update: added chumlee and his bro as a purchasable hunter

U could also get his dad in the battle pass

Might as well add the entire shop in the game

[icy brook]

They did have some pretty cool old guns on that show

[orchid tangle]

was giggles not modernized enough for them last time

[real cedar]

I'll take another look but I didn't get the sense that the Giggles skin was new

[orchid tangle]

wtf is that voiceline at 1:14

[real cedar]

Yeah she's the same as ever.

Bootleg Harley Quinn 😔

[orchid tangle]

is the girl with the hair swept to the side not her

[granite shard]

probably a different lady

[real cedar]

Huh I hadn't considered that a possibility

[topaz mirage]

I have a theory 👽

[real cedar]

It's similar mouth makeup and red hair but every other feature about her not being clownish and her lack of, well, giggling, makes it seem like it can't be the same person.

[placid apex]

I feel like it could be giggles if she ran away with the post malone character after he left the circus, no?

[orchid tangle]

I just thought it was a "future" version of her after the circus died like PM getting a new skin

[placid apex]

Thats what i thought too

Since it seems all of the other clown died exept her

[real cedar]

Different hand tats, confirms it

[supple smelt]

So what’s the christmas-y krampus skin

[real cedar]

It's Krampus 🤷‍♂️

[supple smelt]

Is it actually

[real cedar]

Probably

[supple smelt]

I only vaguely remember seeing a mask and some bells

[placid apex]

It could be paint though. Theyre identical colours to her red face paint and others bit red is most vibrent

[real cedar]

We have literal Santa so literal Krampus might be next, that's silly enough that they'd go for it

[granite shard]

krampus is just so weird to do since we already have a krampus themed skin

[orchid tangle]

oh are you not talking about devils advocate

they're doing it again!?!?

[granite shard]

like I get this new guy is more actual krampus themed but idk I think the devil's advocate played with the krampus idea and made it unique for hunt

as opposed to "hey what if we just do krampus"

[supple smelt]

Me hoping there wasn’t a clown skin overload was hopeless but the clown skins coming at least seem a bit better than the last spirit Halloween clowns

[real dove]

Not big on the singer clown

She looks really modern

[orchid tangle]

the only skin that looks kinda neat to me is the girl with the glasses but I'm sure there'll be some aspect to her I'll find out later that'll make me never touch her

[real cedar]

This is getting to levels of "if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike"
There's not enough design language shared between the skins to say it's the same person. Crytek has never done such a drastic change between variants to the point people get confused about their identity.

[placid apex]

I didnt assume there would be confusion and its nothing like the wheels thing since she is a clown, covered in paint so who says her hand patterns arent paint too?

[orchid tangle]

there's only a few ways to make a clown woman it could deffo be a different person

I just woke up, watched the trailer saw a woman with red hair and clown makeup in the PM rerun event that sang with cutbacks to giggles and assumed it was her

[supple smelt]

I don’t like the bright red circus master outfit with the strange glasses on top of that

I kind of like the bounty hunter looking guy

Singing clown seems mid

The weight lifter looks meh

[orchid tangle]

the bounty hunter looking guy is cool but I had trouble knowing if I was looking at his outfit or PMs they both seemed to have like heads hanging from their belts

[icy brook]

I think the strong man is the best skin of the bunch

[placid apex]

Very, i still like the skin bc im a sucker for clowns but id prefer a more time appropriate version

[orchid tangle]

the weight guy has a cool face sad he has no outfit

[orchid tangle]

theres like 3 girls that look identical to her on my uni campus

[supple smelt]

It’d be so much better and funnier if the clowns were dressed like this and not like they were in a scary clown prank from 2014

Or like they’re Harley Quinn

[orchid tangle]

I'd rather not have clowns

I feel like you can have ONE clown to fit the gimmick

we got THREE

now we're getting more

and I'm already confusing them for the same person

[real dove]

This time feels less clowmy

[real cedar]

It's not a matter of in-universe justification but out of universe.
It's too much difference to assume that the artist who made this design cleaned off her makeup, gave her a new haircut, new clothing, new tattoos everywhere, and all her new clothing has none of her preferred symbols like hearts and diamonds. No character artist would make that many changes when the direction for concept art was "Make giggles as a punk singer". Therefore, the direction must've been something besides that, such as "Make a clown punk singer"

[real dove]

We're getting a sharpshooter and a weight guy

[orchid tangle]

we got a sharpshooter last time with all the clowns tbf

[supple smelt]

Less clowny but still not a single skin Id use I think

[real dove]

We got Annie oakly

Who wasn't really like

Part of the circus lol

New gal clearly is

[supple smelt]

The only skin I’ve used from the past 4 battlepasses is the welder

the rest have been incredibly mid if not bad

[orchid tangle]

I thought she was

and just ran away when things were getting screwey

[icy brook]

The Annie Oakley skin was actually great, people wanted that one for a long while, very good reference

[supple smelt]

I think in every tide or desolation event there’s always 1 interesting hunter visually and story wise

[orchid tangle]

it's easy to make a good skin when it's just 1:1 of an actual real sharpshooter

[supple smelt]

Snake fella is the only one where I think the skin is a bit strange but still fits, just wouldn’t use it

[icy brook]

If William Carter is still alive in lore I’d rather go to his Wild West show

[acoustic whale]

any news on snoop dog

[spiral mica]

It's looking like they decided to go with Post Malone again.

Maybe next time it'll be Snoop Dog.

[acoustic whale]

ik

we'll wait, no rush

[brazen root]

i'm looking forward to post malone 3

[spiral mica]

At this point anything is possible

[gilded umbra]

I was wondering if Murder Circus was a trilogy but then I saw the words, “final performance” so I don’t think so.

[orchid tangle]

yeah but he left the circus

we'll get a third installment where he's officially become the lead singer of port sulphur band and he never goes away

[spiral mica]

Judging by the promotional material that headhunter hunter is possibly a twitch drop.

[real cedar]

He feels kinda twitch droppy

[grim lily]

I just saw a supply point with a fortune telling machine and balloons. Was this a bug or an intentional prelude to another circus event?

[noble scarab]

It’s a teaser for the circus

[zenith perch]

Guys I saw Post Malone from Hunt Showdown at the Cowboys game

[spiral mica]

It just occurred to me that in promotional material that the curtains of the circus tarp look burnt at the bottom. If and when exactly the inferno condition returns it may imply the circus gets burned and finally destroyed for good. Maybe that's what they mean when it mentions a final performance.

[orchid tangle]

and hopefully PM and giggles are trapped inside when it happens

pleaseee crytek I need thisss

[spiral mica]

Post Malone encounters giggles inside the center of the circus stage, they have a little fight, then the circus catches on fire and they both perish inside. The circus is never fated to appear again.

Or, alternatively, Sofia saved a silver bullet and uses it to somehow destroy the corruption attached to the circus just like she did to the Murmurstone.

[real dove]

Lol

[fickle sluice]

Don't forget the obligatory "I know you're somewhere in there"-Fight

[mint wind]

They end up in Joker 2.

[worthy nova]

Yeah, you’re spot on. I feel like this is how they treated the original plague doctor (made to fit hunt) then later made the “on the nose” version, the corvids.

I thought devil’s advocate was a well adapted krampus design

OG plague doc too

but overall, not a fan of the murder circus and everything around it. Wouldn’t miss it, honestly.

[strange bane]

Could be that the DA was so popular they wanted to give us another skin like that. Mayhaps a new Christmas themed hunter would go over better, but I certainly don’t have the chops to come up with something different for Christmas themes. I reckon that is our token new Christmas Hunter this year, similarly to how the Coal Bearer was added during Tide of Desolation. Bit out of place seemingly among the Demented and Drowned pacts respectively, but the event was running through Christmas that year to my understanding

I enjoyed the Corvids but I see where y’all are coming from

I’ll take Krampus part 2 over Santa’s Elf with a cowboy hat to be fair haha

If they bring back Mister Stone I might get that fella this time around, love the details of his character design and how they made him very scrooge like in his lore

Not a fun guy at parties I imagine

But regardless, this all points to some form of new lore to go over so I ain’t got too many complaints at all per se

[gilded umbra]

Sinner's Sinew Hunting Bow visually goes perfectly with Thorn Wreath. What is the history of The Sinners?

[real dove]

Iirc they're a middle eastern group of hunters

[delicate ferry]

ayyoo?? They dropped lyrics for the new songs on the website?!
https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore/tagged/port-sulphur-band

[verbal escarp]

That’s interesting

It has Arabic writing on the bow I think

[real cedar]

The writing on Sinner's Sinew says something akin to "until the last nerve of the last sinner" according to one fan translation.

[verbal escarp]

Interesting

The short mosin was also bought to the bayou from Afghanistan I think

I read it somewhere before

[real cedar]

Ye, it's named and patterned after Afghan Jezails

[verbal escarp]

Man I really like hunts lore

I just wish they kept it more like this

The 3 parties

Removing all the books and that from the menu was unnecessary imo I used to like reading all the info about the monsters and factions

[dry wolf]

Wait that got also nuked? Man I really liked these too

[verbal escarp]

Yeah I’m sure it did u can’t find it now

[real dove]

They're online now but yeah, not in game any

[gilded umbra]

Patron's Prayer: Marksman - The prayers that blessed this rifle are filled with shadows of an old bruja's past. Should you feel the influence of something dark while using it, try to lean in-the fight against Corruption can use all the help it can get.

[noble scarab]

I feel like the wax on all those guns would melt in the bayou heat

[real cedar]

It's so gooey

[remote schooner]

Your hunter licks it when you’re not looking

[analog pendant]

Hunter got hungry and tried to make a s’more with it

[real cedar]

So Story Challenges seem to just be Questlines 2.0 🤔

[brazen root]

lets go

[noble scarab]

Sounds good to me

[supple smelt]

wait what are the rewards

[loud quartz]

each of the 2 story challenges will reward a hunter skin fitting the story

[noble scarab]

I wonder if that’s how we get the krampus

New krampus

Maybe it’s our current krampus but he changed his outfit, who knows

[granite shard]

winds of midwinter sounds like a crimmus thing

[glad verge]

hello my fellow lore keepers, why does carcass gunrunner has to smuggle guns, what's the purpose?

[icy brook]

Money

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[glad verge]

but why put them inside of pigs instead of selling them like normal?

[real cedar]

No import taxes

Jason Trevors has a true American spirit 🫡 🇺🇸 🦅

[glad verge]

RAH!!!

[spiral mica]

Jason Trevors says no taxation without representation.

[real dove]

No taxation cause of gun in pig corpse insertation

[gilded umbra]

This doll is looking into our souls 👁️

[real cedar]

Bruh...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELgDxPWw3j8

Kinda nostaglic to see an old-style DLC trailer but that skin is just wack

She needed somewhere else to put it.

Transformation came with the mask. Just as she’d learned as a child in her homeland, she made it with wood from the same tree, one that stood beautifully out from the others on the eastern end of Windy Run. Once it was finished, she dutifully presented the mask to the tree in reverence before sliding it over her face. Gone were the feelings of exhaustion and fear. The mask depicted the demon queen Rangda from her mother’s stories. When she wore it, she too felt capable of leading armies of evil according to her desire. Her nightmares were the same, but now, instead of making her wake up screaming in cold sweat, they comforted her, like a blood-warm bath that only wanted to cradle her every wicked idea.

The answer had been in her heart all along, seeded there by the stories from her upbringing. She understood now that it never should have been a matter of good versus evil in this Incursion. The secret was in the knowledge that good would never win—that neither side would. For the dance between good and evil was eternal, and was always meant to be. She carved a second mask—one of good—and wore it on her back as proof of her commitment to balance.

But it was the demon queen’s mask that she would wear on her face. For on these hunting grounds, it was evil that reigned, made evident in the Corruption’s every twisted creation and putrefied wound.

To Rangda, such a place was nothing short of paradise.```

[granite shard]

oh I like the skin

honestly I'd rather have like

takes on folklore than takes on fairytales and just hot people lol

I was looking into rangda bc she was accidentally posted to the crytek site the other day and I thought this was a cool take on the figure-- including the mask of the other one in her design is also neat imo

like generally it seems like there was just thought and consideration put into her design which I think is why I'm a fan

[real cedar]

One consideration they missed - how does she see who she's shooting?

[granite shard]

shame that her guns are just biatata's guns tho

instead of something indonesian/balinese

[real cedar]

Ahh I thought I recognized the pattern on the Scottfield

I wish they didn't go so hard on ceremonial dress that only completely insane people would wear regularly and instead tried to take elements of cultures they want to showcase in a more natural way, that felt like someone actually living in their traditions. Even as another masked fellow, Ronin feels right as it's just the mask, otherwise he wears normal clothing.

[granite shard]

my guess is that the corners of the eyes between the eyeballs and the nose are holes in the mask

[noble scarab]

I feel like that mask is gonna either make you a headshot magnet or the hitbox will be wonky and it will keep you alive

But I won’t say no to another mako skin

[granite shard]

tbh I'd say her clothing doesn't feel that strange-- she just has a lot of jewelry

I think traditional japanese clothing is just a lot more familiar looking, but nothing abt her outfit itself aside from the big mask feels that impractical

[real cedar]

It's mainly the big mask on this skin, yeah. If it was shrunk down a tad and used as a shoulderpad or something that would make more sense to be running around the bayou with.

[noble scarab]

The bayou is filled with nothing but the most sensible and practical of attire

[real cedar]

It used to be, at least

[granite shard]

tbh if I had to choose between carrying two wooden masks or running around in a fully sealed off leather bodysuit like the burnt marshall or any of the plague doctors

I'd pick the masks any day of the week

[noble scarab]

Chains, furs, giant meat hooks, loin cloths, and the list goes on

[granite shard]

or even going back to og hunters

[noble scarab]

A scarecrow suit

[granite shard]

the big coats of the plague doctor/blackcoat/billy story lol

at least she's staying cool 😂

[noble scarab]

Bear on head man

Her and luz mala might be the most comfortable

Minus the issue of all the mosquitoes

[granite shard]

but yeah I think I just would rather have an interesting take on folklore than another little red riding hood or alice in wonderland again

I think it's bc there's a valid reason for someone in universe to do this stuff

whereas little red riding hood is just a little red riding hood reference lol

[supple smelt]

I like the skin

feel like it could exist in old hunt too

[real dove]

Oh her weapons are agnostic?

Sadge

[supple smelt]

feels like every dlc is now

actually sucks

agnostic weapons are the worst thing to happen since the ui

[spiral mica]

Were Lilith's weapons agnostic? If they aren't I'm assuming they will be in the future.

[real cedar]

Are they? There's no suggestion of that on the DLC page

[real dove]

No, I meant they were reuse from a previous DLC

[granite shard]

it sucks too bc like

the character herself is so tied into balinese mythology

but then they use the weapons created for a brazilian woman

[real cedar]

Yeah that's two very different cultures very far apart

[spiral mica]

I feel like agnostic weapon skins for dlc and bundle hunters is just the norm at this point. We're still technically getting new skins though so that's nice.

[granite shard]

like it could have been really cool if it was something like the turncoat or kid where it was just two scotfield skins but each one was themed around one half of the dance

[spiral mica]

I liked this event's spider theme, but it's a shame it was more mosin stuff.

[granite shard]

one rangda and one barong

[spiral mica]

Unfortunately it doesn't look like Crytek was thinking that far ahead lol

[granite shard]

yeah :/

[spiral mica]

But that would've been a really cool idea.

[granite shard]

like I wish the agnostic skins would stay as a blood bond thing and not cut into DLCs or battle passes

[spiral mica]

I also agree

[granite shard]

it's a shame bc it really brings down what I think is a super solid hunter concept

[spiral mica]

I feel like because they're dlc that people are paying for they should be of the highest quality, but continuing to give us more agnostic skins that don't exactly align with the theme of that particular dlc hunter is definitely a poor decision imo.

Like you said earlier the Brazilian theme of the agnostic skins don't align with a hunter that is clearly balinese themed.

[real cedar]

Depends on your definition of old hunt. 2022+ Hunt this could maybe happen in, but 2019-2021 the only skin that stood out was Plague Doc, and even that had theme of practicality over ceremony.
It'd be more akin to seeing a Hopi or Haida mask during Light the Shadow, sure you could probably make a skin like that but it'd really stand out and seem slightly out of place.
Which is a shame as we'd been doing kinda good this year on more "normalish" skins, even cultural displays like the Brujas felt authentic. As Smalls says the one standout has been the storybook cosplayers.

[supple smelt]

Worst skin this pass is definitely the empress

next event will make the normalish skins less common

[granite shard]

worst skin this year imo is the plains warden

[supple smelt]

yeah

maybe

[granite shard]

like I think that rangda's shadow works for me bc she directly ties into real cultural folklore

plains warden is like. almost a racist stereotype

genuinely cannot believe he made it into the game

[supple smelt]

it's johnny depp

[spiral mica]

A part of me really does like her, but a part of me also sees the issues with her.

All the spider silk she's covered in makes her a bit of a headshot magnet too, but not in the same way that harvest is with his pumpkin head.

Unfortunately one of the major visual indications that empress is related to spiders is the silk she has on her so by removing it you're removing a significant portion of her visual identity.

[supple smelt]

it looks like a lady wrapped in tin foil

I think you could have it be a coat or something that has a web pattern drawn on it or something

just don't feel like the execution was good

[real cedar]

Her coat is also kept together by spider silk so they could've gone that way about it, the same way Death Mask is more or less a regular dude but Grunted in the face

[icy brook]

Agree to disagree, I think he is the best of the Native hunters

[granite shard]

He has like zero cultural connection to actual tribes and also perpetuates the idea of indigenous cultures being dead/dying with him being the last of his people

The original indigenous hunters had tangible connections to their nations and had Crytek working with people from those nations whereas he is based on a Johnny depp character

[icy brook]

I do wish they would have referenced a tribe, but overall his clothing and headdress are period accurate to high plains groups

I do buy the backstory because doing literally anything besides being on a reservation during the early reservation period was probably preferable to being on the reservation

[faint nimbus]

I was not expecting a Balinese character at all but it’s a very welcome surprise since I’ve been wanting more Asian hunters

But I am disappointed in the agnostic skins cause they don’t really fit the hunter at all

[gilded umbra]

I would think this new hunter would use a Bomblance.

[real cedar]

That might be going a little too much into stereotypes

[gilded umbra]

True, that would be typical.

[real cedar]

Just from quick research, there's not much that really points to a favored weapon for Rangda. Smalls' idea about dual scottfields for the two sides sounds pretty good though

[faint nimbus]

I do find it a little strange that she was able to put together this whole ensemble AFTER she came to the u.s as a plainclothes hunter like the mask makes sense you can make a Barong mask out of anything but the outfit just confuses me a little, still very cool though

[faint nimbus]

Rangdas only “weapons” are their really long claws and a staff that they carry, maybe they could’ve interpreted the claws as throwing knives but idk

[real cedar]

Yeah, usually these hunters bring their style over with them. There were basically zero Balinese in the USA until after WW2 so outside of maybe west coast orientalist curio traders it'd be hard to find that jewelry. Maybe it's something she had at home and combined with a newly made mask.

[gilded umbra]

When I saw that glimpse of the new upcoming Lunar New Year hunter it reminded me of Hitokiri from For Honor which is cool.

[faint nimbus]

There’s a new lunar new year hunter?

[real cedar]

He's only shown up in a single image and in the background of the bar scene in the trailer, but ye it's a new guy with a mosin skin.

[faint nimbus]

Omg I love him

I can’t really make out what’s on his mask though

[kindred solstice]

He's really cool

[granite shard]

it's a mahjong thing-- he's apparently based on some characters from the hong kong film let the bullets fly

[faint nimbus]

Oh that’s really cool

[granite shard]

I was talking w a friend from the chinese side of the community who explained some of it to me, I guess it's a pun in chinese due to some shared characters between horse thief and mahjong or something

[gilded umbra]

Yeah, that mask is so awesome. 👏🏼

[faint nimbus]

I found a pic and it’s cool that it’s almost a direct reference to the film although these are suit of dots and his mask is a charecter suit

[strange bane]

I thought the Corvids and Plague Doc designs were awesome to be fair lol. Need some layers for cold nights or when the months darken. Black Coat and Billy Story are feeling comfortable in Mammon’s Gulch I imagine, will be even more true if we ever get a snow condition or snow themed map

The new hunter looks pretty cool , kinda out there but I appreciate the effort and research put into the lore and mask even if it is a bit bulky. Will be sick

Also , my understanding behind Burnt Marshall wearing all that uniform is for his obsession with (and possibly prior injury from, hence the Burnt part of his name) fire.

Is alot of leather for the Bayou humidity though! Lol

[analog pendant]

Got a point there lmao

Here’s hoping snow one day😔✊🏻

[strange bane]

But hey, I have slept and fielded in LA wilderness before! The days can be wet and hot and the nights can get cold!

I wore mostly long sleeves and gear while there , so can attest to wanting to cool off alot during daylight hours. However, at night I was thankful for the weight of my gear and the protection from my sleeves

Now this brings to mind a thought, warm weather variants of Hunters with coats and layers! Lol for summer and hot days. Might be a garbage idea and too complicated in execution, but I like to imagine the Black Coat takes his coat off while waiting for the boss to banish or between missions.

Hex Breaker and Turn Coat certainly would as well

Also real glad that we got a proper Legendary Hunter cinematic trailer! Missed those

The trailers are always movie level quality!

[deft storm]

how do you mean "fielded"

[strange bane]

Was in the field there training during my time serving in the Army a couple years back

I reckon I worded that rather poorly, fielded is a strange word choice lol

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[digital blade]

So is there anywhere where I can get a run down on the lore?

[real cedar]

For a quick run down to get your basics, HazmatFTW on youtube has a nice playlist that covers both the broad strokes and some of the more specific details.
For a long run down of the whole lore, the Compendium in the pinned messages of this channel has literally everything put to text, as does the lore hub on the wiki https://huntshowdown.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore
They're both formatted the same so it's just a matter of preference. Being able to CTRL+F the entirety of the lore has been useful a few times.

[digital blade]

Thank you!

[lean horizon]

Hello guys, I had a random thought about the weapons in hunt and that there is a weapon type that technically belongs in the game and those are rifled or even smoothbore muskets because they could still be held by some people in that time as old cheap rifles or family relics. What do you guys think?

[torn rune]

I think if Zombies had it like the ones with broken pistols or they were props in the environment I think it’d work. I personally do not want to reload a muzzleloader when going against the repeating arms of the time

[deft storm]

They don't really technically belong, even though they're still in use by the public for hunting animals. Hard to keep powder dry in the bayou. Smoothbores were being replaced over a century before Hunt, and paper cartridges were replaced with metal ones during the US Civil War because they're much more reliable, and easy to transport without damage. It's more likely you'd encounter a zombie dragging around a cartridge gun

[orchid tangle]

ngl I think the ship sailed on outdated after we got 4th century BC crossbow

not to want to stir the pot worse

but I wouldn't mind scarce meme muskets if it didn't take away from deving other stuff (which it will)

[mint wind]

Hey folks, how about we get the Inferno during the event and it’s the circus burning for good because of the Heliostone.

[earnest jungle]

You think we’ll ever get an event focused on Lynch?

In hindsight it was wishful thinking to assume the first trilogy since Tides would feature the triumphant return of the lore after the gutting of the narrative team

Especially now that the traditional ways in which lore were introduced to the game are functionally gone and now they need to figure out new way to introduce narrative

[acoustic whale]

no, i want post malone to stay

permanently

we also want him present in upcoming events

i like the celebrity collab path and looking forward for the next one

[acoustic whale]

i don't really care about lunch

lynch*

i want to know more about sculptor

[brazen root]

shadows wake releases in 50 minutes !!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or maybe its region dependent

[icy brook]

I’d really like it if we did, that was a very interesting and nostalgic era of the lore

[brazen root]

and its 00:00 in your local timezone

[acoustic whale]

lynch is meh tbh

we want sculptor lore

always wanted to know more about him

please crytek

[brazen root]

there are rumors the sculptor disguises itself as a human and walks among us

it's probably post malone

[acoustic whale]

yooooo

that's sick

[earnest jungle]

What about dinner?

[acoustic whale]

yes i like dinner

[fallow drum]

Yooo

[earnest jungle]

The two are not mutually exclusive Lynch has an extremely one-sided blood feud with the sculptor anything we learn about her will have knock on effects for him and vice versa

[real dove]

Howdy!

[deft storm]

nah, the ship can turn it's ass around and head back into port. If they can remove the flashlights, generators, and revive dart (bye-eeee), they can take out the Cho Ku No joke weapon no problem

there are ten thousand other games around to execute memes in

mistakes were made (Chu Ko Nu)

[orchid tangle]

other than revive dart that's just removing stuff that was time accurate to put in the stupid shit

[deft storm]

that is correct. My point is Crytek is capable of going "oops, our bad, taking that out now"

(Crytek, bring the lights & generators back, btw)

[orchid tangle]

I'd love for that reality

unfortunately heat seeking saw crossbow

[proper olive]

What is the lore of the circus I know that clown lady is bad but I wonder about the undead ones also

[pearl gate]

It was a travelling circus corrupted by something called the heliostone....I'm not quite sure if its touched upon what that actually is but all we know is that it corrupted the clowns and others who entered it

There's a bit of reading about it here but not a lot https://huntshowdown.wiki.gg/wiki/Events/Post_Malone's_Murder_Circus

[strange bane]

The new trailers both looked really promising and I am very excited to see what new lore we get for all the Hunters

Even Posty

He looks like he’s at home in the Bayou a lot more now than first go round. The Trench Shovel is a nice touch

My favorite new hunter based on looks alone is between the Strongman and the Hunter for “An Acquired Taste” story challenge. Man has got some serious twang! Can’t wait to read every word of new lore front to back

[noble scarab]

The guy from the acquired taste is a former tier 2

He got spiffied up a bit

I’m excited for the sharpshooter and the clown singer, I like her rings

[strange bane]

Valid! Yeah they went hard on all the little details

I did not realize this on first glance, but welcome back drippy Tier 2 !!! I thought that yellow bandana looked familiar….

https://tenor.com/view/the-return-of-the-king-lord-of-the-rings-ro-tk-title-card-gif-22191928

Now I like to imagine we will see them return much cooler one by one

[orchid tangle]

idk if I'm missing it but not seeing it here and the incredibly low view count so incase it hasn't been posted the new songs are out

https://youtu.be/T-3NxPjWm2U?list=RDT-3NxPjWm2U

[upbeat kiln]

how dare you, sir.

[spiral mica]

A fitting name for a song that heralds more circus shenanigans lol

[orchid tangle]

follow me to hell is deffo my favorite from this batch

and possibly my favorite of their songs period

[gilded umbra]

Their music is a timeless masterpiece work of art.

[trail ether]

Returning to the game after a while, what happened to the lore? I noticed that the book of monsters and weapons are gone and a bunch of lore relevant weapon names are change

[granite shard]

They removed the lore from the game with the 1896 update. It has recently been brought to the website

[trail ether]

Ah so it's not retconned or something? What about the weapon names?

[granite shard]

I believe the reason for changing the weapon names was to make it easier for new players to recognize them

[lean horizon]

honestly that was the challange i was looking for while thinking about the guns xD

[verbal escarp]

Stuff that I miss the old weapon names

[real cedar]

I was a big critic of the name changes when it was happening but after I took on making the new wiki I was kinda thankful I didn't have to type out Caldwell Conversion Uppercut Precision Deadeye a bunch of times

So I can definitely sympathize with the devs

[granite shard]

I miss the uppermat

[mint wind]

Haymaker sounds nice too :)

[granite shard]

I've never been a fan of it lol

I think uppermat lets you know more about the gun as opposed to being named after a punch

like uppermat lets you know that it's related to the lemat so you can expect that it would have the shotgun part to it

like is it a silly name? yeah but it shows a relation to the lemat more than the haymaker

[mint wind]

But how do you relate an Uppercut to a Caldwell..?

[granite shard]

well you see, it used to be named in a way that cleary communicated that

and then they removed that lol

[real cedar]

Most guns don't explain what they are by their name so I think that's fine. The description does the work

Re-envisioned, single-action combination revolver with an additional shotgun barrel. A Long Ammo conversion of the LeMat.

[granite shard]

I think it sucks tho bc they used to explain their family pretty well by their name

I get that it got clunky but having the family information before made it easy to know when you're picking stuff up in game

anyway now that we've gotten details abt the story missions how are we feeling on them

[mint wind]

Caldwell Rival, Winfield Terminus...

[granite shard]

winfield terminus did communicate something

just like the other winnies it's a lever action gun

[mint wind]

Yeah but you'd have a lil surprise if you were looking to shoot someone from far away.

[granite shard]

I mean yeah but that's also then why you see it have a different final name. you see the start that it's a winfield and then you see it's not an 83/83c so it's not gonna be one of those rifles

[mint wind]

So you have to do more mental exercise to know if you want to switch or not ?

[granite shard]

?

like now compared to before?

yeah I think so, it also still impacts me looking for guns

[mint wind]

As you tell me, you look at the name, but then you also have to watch for the ammo to actually notice what the weapon actually is.

[granite shard]

it's cool having descriptions out of game that let you know the families and stuff because those largely communicate what the playstyle for them is going to be

winfield communicated that they're a levering gun

[mint wind]

So you have to do more mental gymnastic before taking your decision, which is precisely what the naming change was meant to remove.

[granite shard]

yes, I have to do more mental gymnastics now

because I have to fully remember that a ranger is I think the 83c

[verbal escarp]

Now we have to use our brains more this is outrageous

[granite shard]

or is the infantry the 83c?

[mint wind]

That's the Frontier.

Also then you'd have the Winfield 1873c and the Winfield 1873, 2 actually quite different weapons.

[icy brook]

Watch Forgotten Weapons and learn every detail about the weapons, shrimple as

[granite shard]

the c was a pretty good communicator before bc it let you know "it is similar to this other gun but more compact" with it having a smaller magazine size and I believe a little less power

infantry/ranger/frontier communicates none of this

it's now just a snappy name and that's my frustration

winfield before let me know that it's a levering gun, then the other name past that told me the information abt what gun past that

[mint wind]

The c was genuinely evil. Many times I had to do some challenges with either variant and I'd mistake them because of that one letter.

Imo it just boils down to learning how the weapons work, remembering it and done. But it's much easier because they have a distinct name instead of a single letter in the date that changes the entire family.

[granite shard]

this makes it harder to learn these things, that is my problem with it

when I was learning the game, I found the family names incredibly useful

[mint wind]

The sole fact that earlier on I'd take the wrong weapon because of the family name makes me think the change was needed.

[granite shard]

and now I just find a gun in game that I have to just learn what it does instead of having context clues surrounding it

like man we're not going to agree

[mint wind]

We're not

[granite shard]

I don't like the change, you like the change, we can just leave it at that because we fundamentally just disagree on it

[mint wind]

Sounds fair.

Here's a wholesome bongo.

[torn rune]

I’m curious if with the corruption if foriegn and domestic militaries are helping to contain it to certain areas. I don’t know if it’s in the lore at all but I’d imagine the American Military is trying to contain it

[noble scarab]

The military doesn’t know anything about it, at least pre-lore removal

[granite shard]

not really, you see individual soldiers join the hunt but it's largely the AHA (or was before that collapsed) controlling things

[noble scarab]

Some members have found out and are helping, like bridgewater

[granite shard]

yeah

[torn rune]

Interesting. It would be neat to see in like DeSalle by the city outside the map a bunch of caravans trying to evacuate

I feel like you’d have to try and move people out if it’s on the doorstep of a city

[noble scarab]

Most people just died or left when the plague part of the corruption hit

The older lore says the AHA partially bribed and downplayed the issue, especially in the poor and rural parts of the state

In regards to govt officials^

Same as it would be today, a couple hundred grand and some neat occult powers would buy most 1900s politicians silence and complicity

Especially in the gulch where is there is oil and riches to be had

[delicate ferry]

Real talk....
Where is 'tie me to the mast'?
I don't see it on Spotify.

[verbal escarp]

Good question

[real cedar]

I believe that's an album-exclusive track

[delicate ferry]

Right, well....just gotta wait for my album to come in, I guess.

[real cedar]

It's on the 2024 Shadows Calling, not the new one that just came out

[proper olive]

Hey rai I got a question

[real cedar]

Shoot

[zenith perch]

I think I might actually play the event this time, the rewards for the battle pass actually look good this time

[real cedar]

what question

[analog pendant]

Bro was just trying to get your attention😂

[real cedar]

They got em 😔

I liked em too, used to share my lore at lunch

[analog pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/hanginthere-kitten-meme-ogmeme-mondaymotivation-gif-510367296666512288

[proper olive]

Who’s the main antagonist in the circus now

[real cedar]

Still Giggles, she just got a new friend in Sunshine

[orchid tangle]

it's so funny after bullying lore for so long it's what they put the biggest price tag on

[earnest jungle]

There is some ambiguity as to who exactly knows what in the government.

[proper olive]

Wait huh

[real cedar]

The clownface singer in the trailer is called Sunshine, she got betrayed by The Fool and now she's part of the circus.
I haven't actually read her bio yet, still going down the BP list from youtubers. The info came from the dev livestream

[proper olive]

Ah forgot the fool is alive rn

[real cedar]

Oh naturally she's a BB hunter why would I expect any different

[earnest jungle]

On the municipal level the New Orleans District Attorney’s Office and Sheriff’s Department appear to be aware of and working with the ADA on some level based on Hardin’s and The Phantom’s lore.

[real cedar]

and other lore has mentioned generals, judges, etc. though they make it seem as if its individuals in powerful positions rather than the positions themselves working as part of their duties.

[earnest jungle]

The Governor of Louisiana is employed in some kind of cover up in the Bayou but whether the Governor knows what he’s covering up is ambigious

[orchid tangle]

is the marksman girl in the pass

[real cedar]

Yup, she's the midpoint reward

'The Sharpshooter'

[orchid tangle]

awesome

[earnest jungle]

The AHA probably works on a need to know basis and given the competence of the people we’re talking about the AHA probably does its absolute best to keep it’s external allies in the dark as much as possible

This makes it harder for external institutions to police what exactly the AHA is doing but has the consequences that the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.

And Marshal Brewer’s lore provides excellent support for this hypothesis because as a Federal Marshal she was aware of the AHA and the corruption but was not privy to its activities and the efforts being taken to combat the corruption.

[gilded umbra]

Marshal Brewer was great in the narrated stories. I hope they bring those back after this next event.

[real cedar]

This new devil flame-themed weapon set makes me think we're gonna see it and maybe the Infernal Pact (in a new style without their leader?) return alongside the Inferno. So far the BP has two mentions of flame-worshipping groups and the devilish goat was the symbol of the Pact.

[orchid tangle]

no plz chary come home

[real cedar]

🤢

I think we can all agree to pretend this never happened

[acoustic whale]

lore barely makes sense now, it's just lore pieces written for cosmetics to help them get sold

[orchid tangle]

I've always seen hunt lore as how I played with legos as a child, there's a story but it changes on a whim and characters either get completely forgotten and never show up or the defeated big bad comes back 5 gorjillion times

[real cedar]

It's comic book rules for the most part but I wish we'd go back to having a core narrative rather than fluff and snapshots

[spiral mica]

I wonder if that crazed hunter was a member of the Demented pact?

[real cedar]

I think there's plenty of reasons to be crazed without being Demented

[granite shard]

trying to justify post malone by tying him to the twins I feel like is just such a misunderstanding of the lore community

like the general consensus is "we just pretend that it never happened" so I don't understand them going "no see they'll like it if we tie an incredibly popular lore thing to him"

[spiral mica]

I just remember how Chary ordered the infernal to assault the slaughterhouse so they could acquire the murmurstone. It mentions how they had firebombed the defending demented hunters during the fight so it could've been a survivor from the encounter.

Furthermore the death pact had third partied the infernals as they were retreating. That's when Sofia destroyed the murmurstone using Finch's silver bullets iirc.

I'm assuming the description could be a callback to the corruption event from the tide trilogy.

[real cedar]

The timing is off, Tide of Corruption was in 1895 and Murder Circus is in 1896

not that time means much these days

[icy brook]

Chamber of Secrets ahhh rifle

Rare Jos and Fin reference though

[noble scarab]

It’s all just like vibes lore

[orchid tangle]

it's not to try to connect to lore enjoyers it's so theres "technically" a defense that they're not writing off the lore

[noble scarab]

I still can just enjoy the designs and gameplay and the occasional bit of decent lore

[orchid tangle]

idk man this game has me on aesthetics alone. Horror and 1800s America are my favorite settings. If hunt showdowns gameplay was all I had I would've gotten like 50 hours max. I really wish they'd stop messing with the aesthetics and adding weirdness

[noble scarab]

The aesthetics and atmosphere is good too

I like the older guns and somewhat more grounded movement

Compared to something like battlefield

[granite shard]

I don’t think there’s really a reason to bring up Jos unless it’s meant to be something for the lore enjoyers

The average hunt player doesn’t know who Jos is

[orchid tangle]

maybe idk the only way I feel I'll remember this is when some point down the line when I'm arguing the lore isn't cared for as much anymore someones gonna bring up "no they connected him to those guys"

[noble scarab]

Unrelated but what happened to Annie Oakley? She got replaced with posty’s new sharpshooter lady friend

[orchid tangle]

yeah I found that funny

last event we got pm, clowns, a female sharpshooter, and a big bulky guy
this time around we got pm, clowns, a female sharpshooter, and a big bulky guy

but hey now we got a headhunter too that's something

[noble scarab]

At least this time we get less PMs per square inch on the guns

[orchid tangle]

I haven't given a look at the skins I'm surprising myself for once

but if theres no PMs then thats a win

[spiral mica]

It'd be nice if they made a legitimate effort to expose hunters new and old who hadn't particularly had any interest in the lore then maybe the average hunt player would actually know or care to know who Jos is. Instead what we're getting now is very minor tidbits and mentions of the lore instead of a larger narrative purely for the sake of giving us more skins.

[orchid tangle]

if they didn't reintroduce story in the most expensive single thing you can buy then it might've worked

I think it's the most expensive single thing? like excluding bundles

[noble scarab]

Seems like it

[loud steeple]

I think some hunters have been 2k bbs at release

could be wrong

[spiral mica]

I haven't seen anything yet, but I'm also going to assume at least a few of the weapon skins we get will have PM on it.

But at the same time maybe we get lucky and there won't be anything like that this time.

[noble scarab]

The ones with the snake parts might have a few PM

[spiral mica]

I forgot how much it was, but I know some players counted how many "PMs" you could find on the skins and it was way than it should've been.

[real cedar]

It's technically a bundle you have to work for.
1000 Hunter, 600 Weapon skin, 150 Charm

[noble scarab]

It was at least 20 on the sparks pistol silencer

[orchid tangle]

can you buy the hunter normally?

[spiral mica]

I forget if the krag silencer skin from the first circus event had any PMs on it. I don't think it did so I'm hoping they won't this time either.

[orchid tangle]

my point being exclude things you don't have to buy as the upped price, so if I can buy the hunter normally then it's whatever

[real cedar]

True, that does make it different compared to a bundle

[noble scarab]

I think the new kramp is just in that challenge

We get a free one at least, one of the old tier 2s

Supposedly crytek was gonna give us more tiered guys this patch but I haven’t seen any mention of them

[loud steeple]

It def did have “PMs” on it

Every single skin on that pass did

[real cedar]

The returning Tier 3 hunters is on the 2026 side of the roadmap

[noble scarab]

Damn

[real cedar]

So a year has passed since the first Murder Circus 🤔 Is this another thing to ignore/handwave or are we in 1897 now? Or was Murder Circus in 1895 and we ignore its presence in Mammon's Gulch?

Also I think the developers are specifically out to get me the way THEY KEEP TEASING LYNCH LIKE THIS
It could've been any other knife! It didn't have to be Lynch's! It's all connected!

[spiral mica]

Didn't someone here point out that one of the tickets from the promo material had the year 1898 on it?

If old hunt was set in 1895, and Mammon's gulch brought us into 1896, and a whole year has past since the first Murder Circus (that year presumably still being 1896) does that imply the entire year of 1897 has passed offscreen or something and now we're in the year 1898?

[spiral mica]

Just wait in the third Murder Circus event Post Malone will be revealed to have been Lynch the whole time!

All roads lead to Post Malone

[real cedar]

That was a misidentification I think, it's much more likely that the ticket had 1893 on it. A corrupted circus wouldn't be going to the print shop to get correctly dated tickets punched for the circus they don't actually perform in.

[spiral mica]

Fair point, but what connection does the year 1893 specifically have with the circus if any?

[real cedar]

It's one of the years they were performing 🤷‍♂️

[spiral mica]

Was that ever explicitly mentioned though? I'm asking because I don't remember reading anything like that.

[real cedar]

Nope, it's just a guess from what little info we have. The Ballad of Post Malone mentions that the circus grew over time so presumably they had years to get as big as they did, one of those being 1893

[spiral mica]

I guess that makes sense yeah

They would definitely need time to grow before they became as popular as they did

I wonder if they'll also mention who the little man was who presented the Heliostone to the circus. I remember some people speculating it could've been Chary, but I think that's pretty unlikely tbh

[real cedar]

Of previously mentioned people, only The Lord of the Dead fits the sparse description we got. It could of course be something else entirely, but it's not like we'll ever get a real answer to it.

[spiral mica]

It's not that I'm really putting a great deal of care into it, but I am at least a little curious who it could be. The idea that it's Lord of the Dead probably makes more sense than someone like Chary, but personally I find the whole idea that yet another talking rock being the main culprit for rendering the circus corrupted feels a bit uninspired.

Because at that point they should just have someone like this new Sharpshooter lady or Annie Oakley pull up and do to the Heliostone what Sofia did to the Murmurstone.

[vague frigate]

they probably skipped straight to 1898 to open more room for newer guns

i assume early slide pistols are in the works

[loud steeple]

I’d rather flintlocks than more semi autos

[vague frigate]

i hope if advancing time is their intent i hope they make a spinoff game

[loud steeple]

Let’s turn back time

[real cedar]

Nah, I don't think they'll ever add more slide pistols. Any new addition would just be "A dolch but X" or "A bornheim but Y". There's no design space that those two don't already cover. Add in the double action revolvers and semi-auto pistols are very much covered.
Further, proper slide pistols are a symbol of the next era beyond the gilded age, WW1. Even if a prototype existed in 1898 or whatever, it just doesn't fit the theme of the game.

[spiral mica]

This implies they could add the Gewehr 98 and I don't know if I'm ready for that yet lol

[orchid tangle]

I'm kinda shocked they haven't done a colt 1877

it'd immediately be the best non dolch but

still shocked

[spiral mica]

I somewhat agree with Rai. There's only so many new weapons they can give us before we begin moving away from the gilded age and into the 20th century, ww1.

But I also feel like we're due for some new weapons eventually, and hopefully not more stuff like the mosin obrez match.

[real cedar]

I'm always holding out hope for a Remington 1858. A Lancaster is also a good choice that I've heard brought up a few times.

[orchid tangle]

I'm honestly in favor of just adding a bunch of bullshit weapons that don't make any big differences. it gives personality to me, anyone can run anything

It's not like the last time I played cod where everyone was running a mac10 because if you didn't you were guaranteed to lose

I can definitely see why people would be against that, and I am in situations like the 500 different bolt action rifles that look identical to a mosin to the untrained eye

but I don't really mind just adding more 1800s guns

[real cedar]

It would be fun to just have a Mauser with identical stats to a Mosin or a Murata Type 13 with the same stats as a Martini-Henry
It's a bit of a pipe dream though cause why would the modelers and animators and sound designers go to lengths to create a new gun if it's not actually new content?

[fickle sluice]

I hope you're right. I am firmly in camp "meaningful additions" and "mosin but german" is not meaningful. At least to me. I do like the decision to finally implement stuff that also has clear drawbacks. It's something I've been yapping about for years.