lore-discussion

[granite shard]

I think for the hornback she wasn’t a water zombie but might have felt sympathetic to them

[real cedar]

Hmm, I have a feeling The Fool is going to win the contest just by logsitics

Anyone who has the pass already has one of the required Hunters (maybe they won't put the battlepass people in to even it out?) and then the Fool has 2 skns vs Judge at the end so someone who just started playing this event basically only has the Fool to work with

[left summit]

Pale Judge could have the cops as other hunters to use.

[real cedar]

Yeah definitely

[brazen root]

Holy shit they turned hunt lore into a choose your own adventure story

[left summit]

Along with silver spur is another character since he's intertwined with pale.

[granite shard]

The fool will probably win bc I bet it’s gonna be him and the Alice skins

Which are all insanely popular rn

[real cedar]

It really is a question of skin headcount, ye. Who's on each team determines the result

[brazen root]

Silver spur might be on team judge based on that one trailer

Alice probably on team fool?

[granite shard]

I’m a little mixed on this just due to the way the results will be skewed by overall skin popularity/access but I guess we’ll see

Yeah Alice will be w the fool no doubt

[real cedar]

I'd assume they're going to go with the event boosted hunters for the most part

[left summit]

I am curious to see whos with who and alice would be with fool since he corrupted her.

[real cedar]

Oh I missed that part of the annoucement. Only 3 hunters for each team so that probably makes it easier to balance by ownership stats

[granite shard]

I think this actually isn't going to impact the story though to be honest

I think it's just like

each round will have a chapter at the end of it but the bonus for winning is a BB discount

[real cedar]

Idk, they say "directly shapes the lore" at the bottom so it's possible they've got at least a small bit of text for what happens if each side wins.

Imagine if they actually wrote out whole chapters for each round and one of them gets scrapped each time and the story is a disjointed back and forth

[granite shard]

yeah that's why I think that it's probably something that's already been written

as like a complete story

that they're just releasing in bits for this. maybe there's two endings for it

[real cedar]

Alternatively, they could write out a story then swap out a paragraph where needed according to the results

A duel between them looks the same up until one wins after all

Though I think 'the next chapter' is just a phrase rather than actually promising a story

[left summit]

Don't destroy my hope.

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[left summit]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-day-dream-fantasy-vision-think-beyond-the-box-gif-14532123

Even if I've been let down multiple times.

[granite shard]

I'm leaning towards hoping that it will be an actual story just due to like

the way they seem to actually be listening to players wanting story stuff back and including things like the library as an option in the latest survey

[left summit]

After PMMC and other one theirs not much of a story atm.

[real cedar]

Even this story isn't much of a story as it's completely separate from the narrative

Sheriff Hardin and Marshall Brewer have been frozen in time since August, looking into the Benefactors but making no progress

The Demented are just twiddling their thumbs in the gulch

and Sofia and Lulu have been bored so long they settled down in a cabin

[granite shard]

it's still a step back towards things and I think that if we see a story happening here, the final event in the trilogy will likely start pulling back into the main narrative bc there's no chance it wouldn't involve lynch

[strange bane]

I say the Fool wins, just because I prefer him lmao

Bias in the Bayou

Where was the Phantom to defend him in a court of law? This ain’t due process lol

Goes hand in hand with Blood Meridian a bit, the Judge of that story used tarot readings as well

[left summit]

In the end it's which side that has the cooler skin hunter will end up winning.

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-not-wrong-hes-right-he-makes-a-point-not-wrong-that-makes-senses-gif-15543920

[strange bane]

Well…it’s drip or drown and brother the Fool is floating

[real cedar]

Damn, the Fool's discounted gun is better but I can't let the Judge down cause of the lore implications

[granite shard]

glad that they seem to be avoiding the problem of there being a million alices and fools in the bayou by not having them be the chosen hunters for the fool's side

[thorny galleon]

wouldnt blue alice be team judge tho?

[granite shard]

I think she'd be unaligned tbh. the story seems to be she was just doing her own thing and then she fell in with the fool

[spiral mica]

I really miss when we knew which hunters were pledged to which alliance. I think the last time that's been the case was either desolation's wake or scorched earth.

[noble scarab]

None of those hunters really seem relevant to the situation

Also crytek didn’t give an option for a non blood bonds or dlc hunter

It’s only kinda pay to win

[ebon panther]

Pay to win nothing tbf

Unless you care about the discounted skin choices

[granite shard]

I don't think they've ever used free hunters for these sorts of things (by these sorts of things I mean like event boosted hunters)

it's basically always been DLC and blood bond skins

[ebon panther]

Given the new lore behind the free skins I feel like it would be pretty appropriate to give them a place in lore based content

[manic lichen]

To be fair, the lore for this event is so paperthin

Like... why are these hunters fighting together for either the fool or judge?

[granite shard]

I mean the lore for the event is paperthin bc it hasn't really started yet

we have basically the prologue

[manic lichen]

My point and case

[granite shard]

I'd rather wait to judge how it all is after it wraps up

[manic lichen]

Dunno man, at this point we setting up actors on the stage and we still haven't gotten any writing for it.
Feel like round 1 should have started with some establishing text of these characters.

[granite shard]

and like if we're going to have multiple rounds of this where we have an arbitrary 3 hunters per side, I don't necessarily want to see all of them get justified in the lore since this is just a marketing thing to get players involved with a spread of hunters that a majority of players would have at least one of

like I'd rather we get an actual concise story about the judge/fool/I guess alice rather than justifying like twenty different hunters lol

[manic lichen]

Also that

Like... ain't much "community" over this event.

[granite shard]

yeah idk, I just think that if this is the start of lore coming back

we should probably hold off on judgement until it actually gets going

[manic lichen]

Hold off on judgement truly immersive story telling

[granite shard]

haha

[real cedar]

Looking at the image description for Round One, I don't think the story is starting. Judging by the quality, they've got the writer that's been handling the thin lore for the events since Harvest of Ghosts working on it rather than the one(s) that did the Brute lore.

[left summit]

All we can do is wait and watch the story unfold but Rai is correct about the amount of writers they have and how the event "stories" have been so far. I do apologize if this is worded weirdly I haven't had morning tea yet.

[spiral mica]

I like how you put stories in quotation since we haven't really had anything like that since Scorched earth over a year ago now.

There were mere echoes of a larger narrative during Harvest of ghosts and the Garden of the witch, and we try to forget the Murder circus stuff as best we can because all of that doesn't really contribute a whole lot to the larger narrative. I know there are a few of us holding out hope for next event to focus big on stuff like Lynch or more moon trilogy related stuff, but I really wouldn't hold my breath on that.

[gilded umbra]

I’m hoping the next event will include a narrated story.

[left summit]

I hope we do get a story soon.

[weary urchin]

So basically the fool was a good guy but he messed up his patient and got outlawed and then went crazy

Right?

[granite shard]

He was a snake oils salesman so I wouldn’t say he was ever really a good guy

[analog pendant]

Snake oils salesmen were the og essential oil girlies💅🏻

[fickle sluice]

What he did was the equivalent of basically selling meth as rock candy. So no, not a good guy.

[minor sigil]

wait Luz Mala is white?

[granite shard]

Indigenous Argentinian

I believe the body paint is something that a tribe did

[strange bane]

I wouldn’t go so far as to say the Judge is morally good either, more so lawfully chaotic with the tarot deck sentencing. Only a matter of time till the deck forces his justice on an innocent

Lawful neutral vs the Fool’s chaotic neutrality

[real cedar]

Ye, chaos and order are the opposing forces here rather than evil and good

[strange bane]

The Fool is still well, the Fool lol. But at least tried to stop the outbreak. However his execution was…F o o l i s h

Lol

Yee yee

Good afternoon Mad Scribe

Cheers all

My personal bias still leans towards the Fool, because I would rather take good intentions wrapped in chaos than cold emotionless justice. Even mystically charged, still gives me the tyrant ick

[real cedar]

The problem is those good intentions didn't survive. Doc Redmartin might've wanted to help (or might've wanted to get rich on snake oil, who knows), but The Fool wants to burn it all down, come what may. Hunters that want to one day beat the Sculptor shouldn't side with him, while those who don't care for the future and are just looking for fun and freedom would.

With that in mind, I wonder what the next teams are going to look like. We've got enough hunters for 3 rounds if they all get used (22 DLC and BB hunters not counting Scaled Ward, Skinned, The Fool, and Pale Judge) or 4 if they use Pale Judge and The Fool: Fugitive in the final round.

Team Judge:
-Marshall Brewer
-Sheriff Hardin
-Private Eye
-Prodigal Daughter
-Prodigal Son

Team Unknown:
-The Bone Mason
-The Penitent
-The Phantom
-Trapper: Buckshot
-Trapper: Snare

Team Fool:
-Corvid: Brood
-Dororthy Alice: Dream
-Dorothy Alice: Nightmare
-The Gunslinger
-The Rat
-Drowned Rat

If Trappers went with Fool for the freedom angle, I could see the remaining three go Judge for one reason or another, and that would even out for 3 more teams if The Fool and Judge join in

[left summit]

I thought the prodigal daughter was after the son?

[real cedar]

It's one of those hunter relationships that should end in death for one of them but by comic book rules it'll never get resolved so until then they're a group. Like how Luna Wolf and Dire Wolf are supposed to be hunting down Lonely Howl but haven't managed to for the last 3 years.

[left summit]

I fully forgot about the Wolf family.

[real cedar]

Crytek did too

That's the trouble of having 160+ different characters and very limited avenues to expand on em. It really does follow comic book conventions at this point with an ever-expanding cast that is extremely resistant to changing the status quo

[left summit]

Very true i'm still waiting for them to do something with the ronin and miko connection.

[strange bane]

Fair enough, yeh I definitely would like to face down the sculptor one day lol just not following the Judge

Might be my bias leaking through. Cheers all

I find it easier to empathize with the Fool than someone like Chary

To me, his descent into chaos seems human. Seems like a chain of reactions that brought him to where he is now

But I can recognize that this is my bias speaking, lol on the other side of the coin the Judge’s origin could be seen as relatable and human as well

They immediately distanced him from Judge Holden with that back story, which is very understandable lol

I tend to feel a kinship with characters who lose themselves to mobs of angry people judging them, wether the judgement is true or not

It all started with Frankenstein , I feel empathy for monsters lol

Drowned Kid is still my favorite Hunter , goated lore and character design

Undead gunslinger for the win. Big Revenant enjoyer

Sorry 4 spam, cheers lore hunters

[granite shard]

How dare you talk about things you are interested in

[left summit]

IMO they should've kept the formula from the tides trilogy.

Instead of what to me it seems like the story is bouncing all around.

[granite shard]

Yeah agreed, I think the letters and journals were great

Tbh the story is bouncing around bc it was fully killed and they’re trying to bring it back

[left summit]

They still have loose ends from lynch that they could use. If I remember isn't she currently in another dimension ATM?

[granite shard]

The problem is they need to develop how they want to do everything

Like I’m sure there was work done, but they still don’t seem to know how they want to deliver that story

So we’re getting these odds and ends things for now

[left summit]

Hopefully it won't be too long & we'll get a juicy storyline soon because having these what I describe as filler episodes aren't doing it for me but I've also been playing since it dropped on PlayStation so it could just be fatigue.

[left summit]

But don't we also have the statesman story too or did that finish up wasn't able to play much around that time?

[strange bane]

Thank you smalls, am valid

Haha

[granite shard]

It’s kinda wrapped up for now since the backers got decently sorted at the end of scorched earth

[noble scarab]

We need info on the backers that Hardin and brewer were looking into

That might tie into a future map tho

[granite shard]

The statesman side of things tho I’d say is fairly wrapped up

Since the big mystery w him was who was providing the $$$

[strange bane]

Do any of y’all play dnd through discord? Lol I have a need and trying to have fellowship in my area has been a deeply rigorous task

Statesman was here for a good time not a long time

[granite shard]

There’s a lot of threads they can go with, the main issue really is just the delivery and how they want to work it in game

Like a lot of these events were likely being developed when lore was on ice

[noble scarab]

I’m trying to get a game going actually, what kinda dnd do you like?

[strange bane]

Anything at this point. Homebrew pre written hell

Even fallout if I have to haha. Got a ghoul cowboy on ice

Pathfinder? Path found my dude

[noble scarab]

Any interest in non 5e? I was thinking on doing SWADE Deadlands

[strange bane]

I will play an edgelord cleric/fighter with a penchant for raising a hearty toast to his friends and enemies

What is that? Lol am down

My last character was Gerrik the part time Cleric, Githyanki necromancer

[noble scarab]

Deadleads is a horror/weird west alt history kinda thing

[strange bane]

Yesssss

[noble scarab]

Hunt actually fits it nicely

[strange bane]

Sent you a friend request choom, let us spare the lore channel of our math rock debauchery

Lol

Up to you to take me or not, I understand it’s an undertaking for a DM to have a new player

[noble scarab]

I forget who, maybe alpacalix was running a hunt dnd game

[strange bane]

Ooooo

Would be glad to join you guys either way

[real dove]

I ran one for my friends a while back

But not currently dming

[strange bane]

Nice, no worries

[gilded umbra]

Hunt is a natural 20. 🎲

[glass slate]

Is it canon that the horses are actually just Crytek developers stuffed inside horse costumes?

[brittle patrol]

The horses seem highly resistant to physical damage. There is definitely something supernatural about these creatures 🤯 🐴

[left summit]

The hunters injected them with the old blood.

[left summit]

https://tenor.com/view/full-moon-bloodborne-gif-13663686

[brittle patrol]

beautiful visual. What is this situation about?

[left summit]

its the old blood

[brittle patrol]

what a twisted entity. it also seems to have humanoid legs

I still hope for collectible lore within the maps much is unknown to me. A long time ago i remember finding pages.

i've noticed the background stories of the regular hunters have been updated. I'm wondering if the free hunters will ever have a story too. They go by many names but i'm pretty sure these are the same four people

[strange bane]

Haha that sounded like a person doing a horse impression if I’ve ever heard it lmao

[real cedar]

There's a small bit of lore you can read in DeSalle. Three notes in Pearl Plantation and three in Lower DeSalle

[strange bane]

Good afternoon, Hunters

[brittle patrol]

thanks! I´ll go check it out!

[spiral mica]

I was always surprised there was seemingly no easter egg in Hunt Showdown that alluded to this game.

[strange bane]

^Me and my duo seeing the all meta loadouts of our fallen enemies ^

[analog pendant]

Best duo since Jules and Vern

[strange bane]

Agreed haha

Orange and Tangerine

RIP ; (

[analog pendant]

I want a buddy road-trip with Jules and Vern running into Lemon and Tangerine and then they get a camper for the remainder of the trip

[strange bane]

Great movie though. And hell yes lmaoo

[analog pendant]

Lmao

Character lore question: is there anything “off” with the Moses family? Like oh they’re rednecks but also cannibals, ‘cause they seem kinda wholesome

Like William seems like the type of southern dad that carries Millie on his shoulders while hunting, calls her princess and the like, while Pappy will teach Millie how to drink moonshine

[real cedar]

They're moonshiners and potentially horse rustlers, and Pappy Redneck has an unreasonable hatred for owls. Other than thet they're pretty tame as far as Hunters go.

They've been living on that land for generations and running a respectable enough poultry business as part of the DeSalle community up until the incursion. Really it's mainly the potential horse rustling that the sheriff was looking into according to a sign in Lower DeSalle that was their main criminality

[analog pendant]

I Love how you list Pappy’s hatred under that😂

[real cedar]

Killing a LOT of owls does seem like a negative enough thing to put in there

[analog pendant]

No no fair, it’s just majorly outta left field

Lmao

I wish we could see what a Mammy Redneck would or did look like

[analog pendant]

@granite shard

[granite shard]

🫡

No mr beast on my watch

[analog pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-love-bunnykiss-kiss-gif-27147580

[steel plaza]

Was there a change of lore for some of the free hunters? I swear I remember that one of them was a cook and escaped to Bayou for killing someone, but there is nothing like there anymore. Am I going crazy?

[ebon panther]

They've been changed you are correct

[steel plaza]

Interesting, thank you. But why did they change it?

[analog pendant]

Yeah they revamped it

No idea tbh

[ebon panther]

To tie them more into the lore is my guess, the new bios are riddled with connections

[analog pendant]

Actually yeah, it’s to tie them into the world/lore

Like the wedding venue at sixth (I think it’s sixth?) sisters estate is from Joan Damon’s reception where her guests turned into infected and tore her husband apart

[ebon panther]

Oh right I hadn't actually made that connection that's neat

[analog pendant]

I like the changes, but I do miss my girl Joan being an Angel of death for abusive spouses like her og lore depicted her as being

[steel plaza]

Yes, it is riddled with it. And I was wondering if Jesse Buchanan mate turned into Hellborn, or was he consumed by it, or what? But overall I like it

[analog pendant]

Even if now, she’s more of like a guardian Angel putting the souls of the tormented down to rest

She still a badass is my point

[ebon panther]

I'm pretty sure that's what the bio is supposed to entail

[real cedar]

Yup, Delacroix was turned into the Hellborn, it's detailed in the Scorched Earth event story.

[steel plaza]

I need to read it sometime

[brittle patrol]

I feel that the old stories put more emphasis on the characters doing morally questionable things in their past and finding their true calling in the violent ways of the hunt. I find the new stories more relatable to the ingame experience, has sprinkles of lore and is more specific about events in their journey.

[brittle patrol]

they seem a bit weird but i feel like these folks stay a relatively normal family in the crazy context of the corruption. I wonder if there'll be more Moses characters in the future. Is William's wife still alive?

[sinful bloom]

red neck wife is probably the next boss

[brittle patrol]

that would be quite the revelation 😱

[sinful bloom]

if true wouldnt be shocked

[tribal thicket]

so can anyone give me a quick rundown on the backstory?

[sinful bloom]

Of what event

[tribal thicket]

what

why is there zombies

what are the enemies? are the bosses demons

why do we banish them

etc etc

i got thrown into the game and im very new

[sinful bloom]

@real cedar I SUMMON THEE LORD OF LORE TO BEQUETH THIS PEASANT WITH THOU KNOWLEDGE I'LL SHALL SACRIFICE RAIN BOOTS FOR THOU KNOWLEDGE

[tribal thicket]

what are the hunters and what is darksight

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-demon-summoning-spell-gif-20055457

[tribal thicket]

why are the huntters hunters, like i know i read the whole thing with the reaper skin killing keeps him alive is that just edgy shit or is that like actually something

[sinful bloom]

You'll know it a bit just give the Lord time to respond

I must now sacrifice rain boots brb

[orchid tangle]

evrytime I try to think of how hunters get their powers another fragment of the process is lost in my head and it just sounds stupid

all I remember is meat lasso

[tribal thicket]

WHAT?!

meat lasso

[sinful bloom]

All will be explained

[real cedar]

I've got just the video for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBjUCbjZFOs

For a text version: An otherworldly entity called The Sculptor has infected an area of the Louisiana bayou in 1894ish (and then later Colorado in 1896) and that infection/corruption turns people into grunts and armoreds. Some monsters like the immolator, hive, meathead, brute, and boss targets however aren't just random people turned, but instead specific singular people or creatures who've had their souls basically captured and are perpetually copied and brought back by the Sculptor within the incursion zone.
The Hunters that go into these incursions used to be backed by the American Hunter's Association -a centuries old secret society of paranormal hunters - and were paid money to kill the monsters and collect their bounty tokens. These people are vagrants, criminals, psychos, and a few valiant (delusional) people willing to fight monsters for coin, recruited by the AHA and others because they couldn't contain the huge incursion through normal means. They gained dark sight by means of the inoculation - a mixture of chemistry and demon's blood that grants them occult sight and resistance to corruption, but also renders them infertile (cause a pregnant hunter spawns monstrosities).
There's only ever one boss active at a time, so these Hunters began killing each other over who gets the spoils, thus we have how the game is in each match. The AHA basically collapsed in the storyline and now Hunters are more freelance but the bounties are still paid by mysterious Benefactors.

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-it-down-all-elmo-fire-flame-gif-5756411097673413271

He has giveth his knowledge

[tribal thicket]

so it is ootherwordly its not just like zombies zombies

[sinful bloom]

Not the standard zombies your thinking of

[tribal thicket]

oh no bad fuck up in lab zombie outbreak

[upbeat kiln]

some of us has speculated that the "zombies" might still very well be conscious within their decaying husks

[tribal thicket]

i like that

[real cedar]

Yeah, some people in the setting call them zonbi off the Haitian word for a man controlled by magic, but they're not quite night of the living dead

[upbeat kiln]

they are puppeteered against their will

and therefore also feel when you light them on fire

[orchid tangle]

they deserve it for coming one at a damn time while I'm trying to fight someone

[tribal thicket]

yeah cuz in like most other things zombies just burn and dont feel anything if u light a grunt or armoured on fire they scream

[tribal thicket]

yesterday i was sending a message in discord while in a bush and one walked from the road straight to me

[rotund ferry]

Hazmat is a good channel for lore and i do believe that Rai has a google docs full of lore.

[upbeat kiln]

@real cedar is the most dedicated person in here when it comes to the lore ❤️

[tribal thicket]

so is the reapers bio or whatever just edgy to be like oh yeah he is like The reaper or is that like something thats commonplace

the ability to stave off death by killing

[rotund ferry]

That he is.

[sinful bloom]

Rai Is the LORD OF LORE

Anyways I gotta go go make lunch

[real cedar]

Nah, he's the only person like that and it's more tragedy than edgy. His full story on his DLC page explains that he's losing his memory and the only way to remember who his family is - who he is - is to keep killing.

[tribal thicket]

which as a concept is cool as fuck but also super tragic

[rotund ferry]

Some of the entries for character have changed depends on when you started playing referring to the tier hunters for those changes.

[brittle patrol]

How do you feel about these changes?

[rotund ferry]

It's a lot better now compared to what they used to be IMO.

[real cedar]

The changes made them less generic and more connected to other parts of the lore and world

[rotund ferry]

But if your interested in the world lore itself their hasn't been much world building since scorched earth.

so all of the "stories" after SE are just side stories or fillers.

[brittle patrol]

i can imagine it is hard to change much about the lore when the ingame situation is more or less the same

[rotund ferry]

It's more of they cut the narrative team to 1 or 2 people.

[brittle patrol]

That's a sad situation. I heard about people getting fired.

[brittle patrol]

I do appreciate that. I did like the old stories but they felt more isolated.

Some new stories contradict previous ones. Joan Damon being a clear example

[granite shard]

the old ones all felt kinda bland to me tbh

I was glad to see them updated

[rotund ferry]

They were very bland now we have a hunter wearing rat skin.

[brittle patrol]

That's a spicy detail.

Also there's an explanation for Mercy Zener's eyepatch.

[noble scarab]

One of them is missing their tongue courtesy of the plague birds

[brittle patrol]

I got the idea that the old stories put more emphasis on the characters doing morally questionable things in their past. Either having killed people or a profession that involves violence.

Which one is missing the tongue? I may not have unlocked them all

[noble scarab]

One of the ladies I think

[sinful bloom]

I believe its the cranberry colored coat lady

[rotund ferry]

It's Jane Eddings.

[strange bane]

Good afternoon Lore Hunters!

[analog pendant]

I imagine like the Scotman’s wife in Samurai Jack💀

[strange bane]

Hahaha

The Redneck coming home to his loving wife:

[analog pendant]

Oh I bet he’s the protective wholly in Love type like the Scotsman

“YE GAWDDAMN CITY F***ER WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TALK MUH WIFE AND THE MOTHER OF MY PERFECT DAUGHTER? I’M GONNA FEED YOU TO MUH CHICKENS.”

[spiral mica]

Aside from looking similar and having the same archetype is there any relation between the angel of death and the reaper?

[granite shard]

It doesn’t seem so

[spiral mica]

Bummer. I was hoping there was some sort of bigger connection there besides appearance alone.

[granite shard]

Honestly I’m glad there’s not— I’m not a huge fan of them forcing connections

Like the prodigal son

[spiral mica]

I've always had headcanons for who would be a member of a certain pact or group, but ever since they've kind of stopped focusing on certain hunters grouping up together I haven't really considered any of these newer hunters to be part of anything like that.

Prodigal son was a weird addition. At one point I thought Prodigal daughter had no living relatives left, but I guess that turned out to be a presumption in the end.

Not to mention there are a bunch of holes in his character. Prodigal daughter uses her mother's uniform, but where did Prodigal son get his exactly?

The story just doesn't seem like it was all there to begin with when they introduced his character into the mix.

[granite shard]

I think that he was likely created as a “we want a male version of this popular hunter” first thing and the writers just had to work with it

[spiral mica]

And someone told me supposedly one of the bullets on Prodigal daughter's sparks is meant for Prodigal son, but I've actually never confirmed that for myself.

[granite shard]

He doesn’t seem like something fully planned out, they just utilized the bullets from her gun for a name

[spiral mica]

Prodigal's son description also mentions that supposedly Prodigal daughter wants him dead, but why exactly? Is Prodigal son somehow responsible or partially responsible for the death of his own mother? But why would that be the case?

[spiral mica]

No he really doesn't, and a big thing I've been noticing lately is that a lot of these newer hunters don't really serve any major purpose in the already established narrative. They're kind of just there as part of the game now.

Their relationship with previous characters is minimal at best, and some of them don't really seem to have any relation to the world or previously established characters at all.

And that isn't to say it's every new hunter either. Some of them like Zhuge Liu make sense since she was seemingly involved because of one of the letters Kevin sent.

[granite shard]

I mean like the answer for that really is the narrative was put on ice

I know I’ve said that a lot for things rn, but stuff gets developed well in advance so we’ve just seeing the ramifications of that for the past year

[real cedar]

The letter announcing his (faked) death set into motion a chain of events that led to her death. Prodigal Daughter perhaps suspected or knew he was still alive and blamed him for everything that unfolded, alongside the other culprits.

[granite shard]

This is part of why a core narrative in some form is important bc without one things just feel disjointed

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I know there are several supposed culprits involved, but I don't see how Prodigal daughter would've known he was still possibly alive or as to why she would go and blame him for pretty much everything when she also suspects other people are to blame which is evident by all the names on the bullets on her Sparks rifle skin.

[real cedar]

She's spreading the blame to each part of the chain of events, even if it's trivial compared to who pulled the trigger. Elwood Finch could've just recruited her, and Elise Austin could've just been her hunting partner, but they all are getting blamed.

[spiral mica]

It just feels like Prodigal son shouldn't even really be in that story at all, and if they really wanted an addition to the game similar to Prodigal daughter but male they could've included it without attempting to incorporate him into another character's story where it doesn't really fit all that well into.

[spiral mica]

And this also brings up another good question I have about the capacity in which she blames all these people in. Do we know for sure as to why people like Elwood and Elise are being blamed? I don't think I've ever seen or read anything that indicates the exact reason for them being blamed for her mother's death.

[real cedar]

Literally all we know is that their names are on the bullets

[spiral mica]

So we can only really assume as to why they're actually on there in the first place in regards to Prodigal daughter's story and why her mother died? That's definitely a let down for me.

I was hoping there was at least some additional information I hadn't came across before but I guess not.

[real cedar]

Yup, while being evocative it's always been a very very thin narrative

[spiral mica]

I hope at some point they really do decide to start thickening these portions of the narrative. I know all we've really got right now is the descriptions and charms, but I really do hope we see some kind of major return to a larger story here.

[noble scarab]

shes already missed her chance for finch, rip

[analog pendant]

Is Hail Mary canonically a smoker? I’ve noticed a lot of fanart of her depicts her as such, was wondering if it’s just fan/artist interpretation or lore accurate?

[real cedar]

I don't see anything like that in her two appearances nor in the video.
Maybe it's just an aesthetic thing, a "bad girl" Nun kinda like Eda from Black Lagoon?

[analog pendant]

Mayhaps👀 thanks as always, you wonderful scribe of ours

[spiral mica]

Although it depends on the particular order, Catholic Nuns are generally allowed to drink and smoke and there isn't a universal ban on it.

So Hail Mary smoking a cigarette or drinking a glass of wine isn't out of character for someone like her.

[noble scarab]

She’s already broken some major tenants of most nun orders so what’s a bit of smoking and drinking

Nuns can have a bit of alcoholism, as a treat

Murder too if needed

[brittle patrol]

I can also imagine the hunters needing a little smoke or drink to chill down after the crazy shj# they see

When they cough in a choke-cloud i imagine them smoking

[sturdy cliff]

'I've got this letter from my bishop saying I can do what I want'

[rotund ferry]

Does anyone have a clear screenshot of the text in fort on Lawson Delta on the bedframe?\

[neat juniper]

• me and the boys during crusade

[spiral mica]

Tbf the first time she's killed was out of self defense, and although the exact details are foggy she seems to have some kind of code when it comes to killing kind of like the punisher or batman without a conscience. Her killings are interpreted out of righteousness and for a noble cause of eliminating evil. I reckon it's that ideology that allowed for Circe and her to get so close albeit briefly.

I personally don't believe Mary actively enjoys killing, but does it because she either knows or feels like she has to. There's plenty of unhinged and psychotic hunters out there that do stuff for a darker purpose, but at the same time we've got plenty of hunters that do what they do because the money is good or because of their conscience requires it or in rarer cases like Harold Black it's curiosity and the promise of knowledge that intrigues them.

[noble scarab]

She seemed to be enjoying killing that one dude that her and Circe tortured together

[granite shard]

god forbid a woman have a little fun

[real cedar]

https://huntshowdown.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore/Transcribed_Letters
It took a lot of squinting at the cursive and taking screenshots through a spyglass but for the most part the letters don't have any significance.

[strange bane]

Good afternoon, Lore Hunters

[granite shard]

https://x.com/HuntShowdown/status/1948080726064136618

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown)

⛈️

X · Jul 23, 2025, 6:00 PM

[spiral mica]

I was always told that was a different Nun and not Mary Burgess, but I must admit at one point I thought they were the same. Maybe they are and what I was previously told is incorrect.

[granite shard]

the nun in the lulu and sofia story is not mary

but the circe stuff is mary

[spiral mica]

That's what I was told, yeah.

[real cedar]

Sister Sophie-Angeline rather than Mary Burgess, ye

[granite shard]

tib might be mixing up the lulu and sofia story w the mary and circe breakup one

[spiral mica]

So Mary Burgess wouldn't have tortured anyone I suppose.

[spiral mica]

Also I wonder what this means for other mythic hunters or if it's strictly just this particular questline?

There's no way they'd actually bring back the fabled plague doctor, right?

[granite shard]

I'm also curious to see just how these guys are brought back

[real cedar]

Alternate versions of other Mythic Hunters are now on the table, though their selection process is still unknown. Plague Doc got the Corvids so I don't think he'll get an alt skin

[granite shard]

since the reddit post was pretty clear in they won't bring mythic skins back in their original form

silhouettes look pretty similar to the originals

so probs not new outfits

[spiral mica]

Yeah it really does look like Scaled Ward and Skinned.

[real cedar]

Retextures are easier to get done than remodels, for sure

[spiral mica]

Maybe they're different in some way, but the silhouettes look very similar.

[granite shard]

makes me curious to see if we get moon trilogy stuff next w the charms

[spiral mica]

Maybe they'll include older mythic hunters in newer battle passes instead of new hunter skins?

So people get a chance to get Kevin and Ochenkov?

[granite shard]

I don't want them in BPs

like my assumption is that these versions of hunters will be perma available

[real cedar]

Oh boy, I can't wait until we get a third Post Malone skin to make up for all the people who missed out on the Murder Circus

[granite shard]

gating them behind BPs just furthers the exclusivity cycle issue

rai don't you dare

[real cedar]

I'm gonna guess that it's not as easy as just making a new alt skin, using people's likenesses in media is pretty contractual so if they wanted to do a new skin they may have to reach out to Post.

So out of all the Mythics it's pretty unlikely for that one to come back

[granite shard]

yeah that would be a whole licensing thing again

we'll probs see the plague doctor come back at some point

I guess he wasn't first bc we have the corvids

skinned/scaled ward are an interesting choice bc I don't know if I'd consider them to be like. super highly sought after skins

[noble scarab]

I think a lot of folks like them

I saw a lot of complaints when the skinned was taken out due to a bug fix

I hope that they give the previous owners the new skin

[real cedar]

I'd venture to guess it's a pickrate thing, as a questline rather than a big event they may be among the lowest of Mythics, which would open up a market of people who see the skin and want it for themselves.

[granite shard]

yeah that's fair

[spiral mica]

Yeah, it's a bummer he's not back yet, but I'm hoping we get him back soon.

[noble scarab]

Lower than plague doc you think?

Or cardinal rain/fang shearer

[noble scarab]

I think he is back now

[real cedar]

Definitely not they're trying to make money and not giving it to em would make some people want to complete the collection

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

I did like the quest lines, I guess they just didn’t see much engagement from them

[real cedar]

It's harder math than just the number of people who have the skin cause the playerbase kept growing through the years. Plague Doc is obviously the rarest skin but is he the lowest percentage of active players at the time vs number of players who got the skin when it was available? Who knows.
It could also be they picked those two for their connection to Tide of Shadows and Thundershower.

[granite shard]

very possible, but also in that case I'd do cardinal rain and gar for the ToS/thundershower

oh I guess there's also wayward helmsman included in that group

[real cedar]

Oh man

Imagine an actually good Wayward Helmsman skin

[noble scarab]

Could get a drowned version of gar/helmsman

[granite shard]

maybe that's why we didn't get the tide of shadows skins, too difficult to make the wayward helmsman look good

[noble scarab]

The only thing is his weird helmet

Otherwise I think he’s cool

[granite shard]

I don't think I'd want to see drowned versions of those two just by virtue of how the drowned happened

[real cedar]

Oh right, I think Helmsman is dead isn't he? The Drowned killed the Smugglers in Tide of Desolation right?

[granite shard]

yeah I think the rat ripped him apart or something

[noble scarab]

It was suggested the drowned tore apart some smugglers but I don’t think it was specified

[real cedar]

I just remember him being there cause of the line "He's still wearing his stupid metal mask" or something like that

[granite shard]

it's probably that dubious state of "he's dead unless we have something else we can do with him"

[real cedar]

And the easy out is that The Rat doesn't mention who she killed, so he could've gotten away in the fight while the Drowned were maddened.

[granite shard]

yeah

she killed at least one of the smugglers

helmsman might have escaped since he started running

[real cedar]

Ahh and the next chapter also gives an out

[noble scarab]

Found the Helmsman with two Smugglers. Still had that awful metal around his face. When he saw us, he tried to shoot me with an empty gun.
"What are you sailors more afraid of?" I asked. "Ghosts, or captains?"
Laffite stepped out to join me. The Helmsman ran, but–
–Stab. Bite. Their eyes, remove them. The things they've seen, remove them. Feed them to the many thousand mouths that gasp, swallow, funnel to the Land–
I came to my senses holding one of the Smugglers' heads, and an arm too. Oh well. The Witch told us this might happen. That even if our Drowned-selves lost control sometimes, we were doing the right thing.

[real cedar]

Daughter of Decay saw the Drowned rip two hunters in half, but there were three of them

[noble scarab]

Rai beat me to it

[granite shard]

"rai beat me to it" bestie

tbf we all came back after running to the chapter

lmao

[noble scarab]

I’m on mobile and saw rai’s name under the image lol

[granite shard]

smh my head

[noble scarab]

Smalls beat me to it then

[granite shard]

but yeah helmsman probably ran like a coward and let his buddies die

[noble scarab]

It wouldn’t be the first time

[granite shard]

yup lmao

[noble scarab]

In ToS he let the two randos get eaten by rotjaw

[granite shard]

and shoots the rat in the back

[orchid tangle]

earth is my hell and my punishment is all the cool looking characters in media have to be cowards in battle

[gilded umbra]

Any speculations on who those two hunters are in the Legends Return tease? 🤔

I think the one on the left is The Skinned and the one on the right is The Scaled Ward but from what I understand both of them are Mythic and not Legendary.

But both of them were legendary hunters originally so maybe it is them. Hmmm. 🤔

[rotund ferry]

Seems like it's the possible one since the outlines match both of them. If it's not them ill be shocked since i cant recall non mythic hooded characters besides a few tier 3 hunters.

I do hope their is a lore connection why they are returning.

[spiral mica]

originally everyone who is now mythic was a legendary hunter, but no doubt these two in this legends return are Scaled Ward and Skinned.

[spiral mica]

Skinned is dead. He was pierced by Gar using a bomb lance, and I doubt their return will play into any major part of the narrative. It really just seems like they're bringing these two back for people who didn't get them the first time around.

Which is honestly fine. These hunters really were very exclusive as part of a rather brief questline before the main Tide of Shadows event.

It'll be nice seeing more Scaled Wards out there since he's one of my favorite hunters.

[rotund ferry]

I remember that but i can still hope but in the end your most likely correct.

[granite shard]

possible that the skinned survived

a lot of the deaths of hunters seem to be like

"they could be dead but also we didn't fully show the body"

[rotund ferry]

Skinned has joined the moon cult. 🌚

Must state i'm not being serious here.

Buuuuut it would be nice kinda like how they did the drowned rat and kid.

[granite shard]

I'd seriously love more hunters like them

it's cool to see updates on hunters

like wow here's an idea... lulu and sofia where everything is the exact same but now they have wedding rings...

[rotund ferry]

I agree and its always alternative to get DLC hunters as BB Hunter.

[gilded umbra]

I was so close to unlocking The Skinned. It would be cool to get another chance.

[noble scarab]

Bring back that scrapped bride skin idea but it’s Sofia instead

[rotund ferry]

i am sad ill no longer be able to play the older skins or my Luigi hunter ever again.
Tib not a bad idea.

[noble scarab]

Or the end result of someone giving Cain a bath and putting him in a suit

[spiral mica]

Glad you'll finally get another chance then.

He's also a cool hunter, but I definitely prefer Ward over Skinned.

Their lore is synonymous with each other though which is pretty neat.

Reptilian killed Skinned's father, and Reptilian is the adoptive father of Ward.

[noble scarab]

In my brain I think they’re two different categories, as far as hooded dude vs dude with skulls goes

[spiral mica]

Reptilian also killed his own mentor/father figure, and it was looking like they were setting up Ward to also do the same to Reptilian.

Such is the way of the Primal. Law of nature and all that jazz.

[brazen root]

My new headcanon is that the AHA will resurface in some form, like it always has, and eventually become the SCP Foundation

[noble scarab]

The aha would have a long way to go for that. Mostly they solve their problems via gunfire and murder. The SCP guys at least try other options first

[gilded umbra]

Doesn’t The Hornback also fit into that narrative?

[spiral mica]

Yeah, Reptilian is by default a gator hunter and he trades pelts with Hornback who sews them into clothing and other stuff.

Reptilian was teaching Ward how to be a gator hunter and a bounty hunter essentially.

[noble scarab]

Speaking of the hornback, anyone remember her GLOWING dark sight hands?

[rotund ferry]

I hope that the community event/contest will actually shape a story kinda like how HD2 does their story telling would be nice for the community dictate what happens but it's very unlikely.

[spiral mica]

Ward's parents also died in the hurricane of '83 iirc? The Somber Gale skin for the Scottfield precision basically confirms that he was orphaned and subsequently adopted by Reptilian, and Scaled Ward being named "ward" obviously suggests the same father/mentor relationship he has with the Reptilian.

[noble scarab]

They finally fixed it but for awhile when you scanned in dark sight you’d just get blinded

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I actually kind of miss that lol

[noble scarab]

It was 93’ same storm that went into the LotD

[spiral mica]

Ah right I don't know where I got 83 from.

[brazen root]

Hah, hex breaker had something like that too, no? Some symbols on the glove or something

[noble scarab]

His just had his hidden symbol

[spiral mica]

Hex Breaker had that thing where the lower half of his coat was completely messed up.

It looked like shattered wood from a tree

[noble scarab]

Hornbacks had the power of the sun

The rednecks daughter still doesn’t have legs

They only just fixed steel eyed not having legs

[spiral mica]

I remember they recalled a ton of hunters there for a bit to fix some stuff

A good chunk of the hunter roster was just not in the game.

[noble scarab]

There’s also a handful of skins that when you use the sparks or other long weapons their coats clip into view

[spiral mica]

Iron bark still has clipping issues with his skin after 2-3 years now?

[noble scarab]

Black coat, Billy, the bounty hunter guy with tuberculosis

[spiral mica]

And Umpire's bane had no hair at one point

[noble scarab]

Probably more

[granite shard]

Silver spur my beloved wife

[noble scarab]

Right now plague doc’s head friend has no glass bottle

Yea, silver spur

His name escaped me

[spiral mica]

I like how plague doctor has what looks like a giant hive bomb strapped to his waist.

Imagine a big hive bomb like a big dynamite bundle

[noble scarab]

It’s a head with a giant centipede shoved into its mouth

That’s gotta be heavy and buddy is out here in full leather gear running around the swamp

[spiral mica]

Really? I've never been able to take a closer look at it.

Especially now since we can't view what we don't own

[spiral mica]

Centipede was another bugged hunter. Any time you'd select her in the screen as a hunter it would play the archeologist audio instead of her own.

[spiral mica]

Oh yeah I can kind of see it now

[noble scarab]

If I remember when I get home later I’ll take a picture for here

[gilded umbra]

A decapitated head with a centipede in the mouth? Maybe The Centipede gave it to him.

[rotund ferry]

So that's where cowls head went.

[spiral mica]

I wonder what Centipede, Felis, and the rest of the Primal gang are up to since they left the Bayou for Colorado.

I also wonder if Reptilian, Ward, and Hornback joined them.

Probably not there seems to be a disconnect between Reptilian's group and Felis' group despite both technically being Primal.

[gilded umbra]

Allies with different goals?

[rotund ferry]

I'm waiting to see how they are gonna hve Lynch return if they do it at all.

[noble scarab]

Crytek: who’s lynch

[spiral mica]

Perhaps. I know the Primal have changed over the events. At first we had Gar who was Primal and simultaneously Reptilian's group and then in desolation's wake we had Felis and her group.

3 different Primals

[noble scarab]

Mostly joking but if they get whoever wrote the bear lore we’ll be good

[spiral mica]

I honestly just want anything written down and put into the game again

[gilded umbra]

That story was really good.

[rotund ferry]

I'm still waiting for the to continue from SE.

Scorched Earth

[gilded umbra]

That story was great.

[rotund ferry]

It was i thought they were gonna continue it but nope.

[gilded umbra]

They really should. It gave the event more depth.

I’m thinking the current Tarot Trilogy is intentionally lite on stories so they can return after the next event.

[rotund ferry]

After that it was harvest which was a fun filler type story.

[rotund ferry]

I hope so cause the side "Stories" just isn't doing much for me ATM.

[noble scarab]

plague doc head sans glass as promised

[spiral mica]

Oh wow that's way more detailed than I expected it to be. Usually most people wouldn't even notice it unless they take a closer look.

[short patio]

But the glass is missing

[rotund ferry]

Does anyone know if their is a connection between the the head in the jar and centipede or the cowl just curious?
only reason i ask is because of that being the cowls head joke i made yesterday.

[granite shard]

I doubt it

neither of them had any reference to the plague doctor in the lore surrounding them

[strange bane]

Good morning Hunters!

Haven’t been up before noon in a minute lol am vampiric

Plague Doc is awesome, hope they bring him back lol

Although, the Corvids have enough drip to keep the ship afloat haha

[granite shard]

I miss being able to sleep in till noon

[strange bane]

Haha Yee it’s mainly due to my difficulty sleeping around the same time each year

However, late night Hunt sessions are easy to pull off so long as I didn’t have to do labor that day lol

[real cedar]

Bah, I only caught a glimpse of the Games Forged in Germany stream, I wanted to grab stills of what they showcased. I saw the updated Skinned, and a blue Nola's Screw, but I bet there was more

IGN uploaded the last one in full, hopefully they do so again

https://fixvx.com/HuntShowdown/status/1948445180484333823

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown)

They’ve walked different paths shaped by pain and choices made in blood. What brought them back wasn’t fate, but something far more dangerous.

Now, they move through the bayou together, familiar faces carrying stories the swamp hasn’t forgotten.

The hunt begins again. https://t.co/4ZqgKtGRms

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 24, 2025, 6:08 PM

There it is

[noble scarab]

It’s on YouTube ^

New skinned and scaled ward + their skins

I’m excited for the rain

I can’t quite tell if they updated it

[kindred solstice]

Oh, the Scottfield P skin!

I forgot about that one

[noble scarab]

Can’t wait for the community to flip their shit a day later “rain sucks we hate it fuck you crytek I can’t see shit” etc etc

[real cedar]

Oxidized copper Nola's Screw, Bleached wood Ferryman's Oar, can't tell what the difference is with Monogahela Bruiser, Killian's Chance, or Somber Gale.

[noble scarab]

Nola’s screw looks great

The skinned looks older

And those skins are gonna stand out like a sore thumb

[real cedar]

They're ahead of the curve for the upcoming snow map in 3 years

[granite shard]

we'll see how they look in the game itself

[noble scarab]

Im all for less blending in gator skins tho

[real dove]

3

<3

[spiral mica]

https://tenor.com/view/webarebears-icebear-alligator-gif-8062877

They look so beautiful

[rare dirge]

So they are releasing reskins of those questline skins rather then the originals?

[real dove]

yes

[rare dirge]

I like that approach a lot actually

[spiral mica]

I forgot who mentioned it, but someone here was talking about the possibility of releasing alternative versions of mythic skins like this.

[sinful bloom]

#lore-discussion message

Twas the Lord of lore

[spiral mica]

I was referring to this actually

They aren't super identical to the originals, but they are certainly visually distinct versions of them.

Do we know if these new versions are also mythic or legendary?

[rare dirge]

I think personally that’s my favourite way of handling exclusives

[rare dirge]

Don’t think we do yet

I hate to say it but fortnite did it when it came to their skull trooper and that’s when I got hooked on the idea

[spiral mica]

Fortnite pioneered most of this stuff anyways so it makes perfect sense.

[rare dirge]

Give the players who got it originally a little something but still allow newer players to get practically the same thing

I also thought it would be smart if they made only the bonus charms exclusive in events

Either way it allows the people who got it/was there originally to have something while giving newer players the vast majority of the content (even in the recolours case)

[spiral mica]

If they're also mythic hunters which I doubt they will be it would also serve as a sense of rarity for accomplished players who get it because you'll have players who own the original versions of Scaled ward and Skinned, but won't have these new versions because they weren't playing at the time, but if they're just new blood bond hunters with legendary status they might be available on the store indefinitely for anyone with enough blood bonds to buy.

Actually do we even know how they'll be earned?

Are they part of a bundle?

[rare dirge]

I don’t think we really know too much about it I hope they just make them bb skins

In all honesty that oxidized Nola’s screw looks cooler then the OG one so I’m for sure picking them up if they are bb skins

Curious about their lore too I wonder if it will be explored further then just their skin descriptions (I could have sworn the skinned got killed in tide of shadows)

[real cedar]

I'm guessing they'll be a bloodbond bundle similar to the returning Scorched Earth cosmetics

The whole point is to bring this stuff back in a more permanent fashion

[spiral mica]

This is my assumption as well.

I am really curious to see what else they'll bring back if they decide to.

[granite shard]

I’m thinking moon trilogy based off the charms

At the very least Kevin and Mary since I’m not sure how they’d handle the viper

[rare dirge]

You think they will do reskins of those 2 or just rerelease them?

[granite shard]

They’re mythics so reskins

I think this is a clear indication of how crytek wants to approach mythics returning

[rare dirge]

I think that’s awesome those hunters deserve more love

[real cedar]

Moon Trilogy stuff coming back does seem very likely, between the charms from last event and this event, and then Orwellian Effigies returning and The Prescient investigating, it seems to suggest that stuff is coming back.
Viper's fifth evolution could be pretty cool

[spiral mica]

Seeing Kevin and Mary in different outfits would be cool

Mary in a different dress and Kevin is something different than his robes.

Something like that

[real cedar]

a Pre-Saint Kevin would be cool as well, just a more normal Hunter looking kid

[sinful bloom]

Kevin fully mooned out

[granite shard]

I feel like they probably wouldn't make Just A Fourteen Year Old hunter

[sinful bloom]

It would be cool if we got more decomposed Kevin

But I do wonder if they'll have new lore

[strange bane]

Full Moon Kevin and dripped out plague doc, my dreams are coming true

This is one of the crytek moments of all time lol

Now I just need Union Suit

[strange bane]

I genuinely appreciate you guys

You give me a feeling of community

That is priceless

Viva lore

[granite shard]

This is so funny to say in regards to hardin

[loud steeple]

I don’t know in what ways Hardin hasn’t gone over the edge

[granite shard]

Ikr

Like he was feeding people to rotjaw and then there’s the whole orphan thing

Also is that your dog in your pfp

[loud steeple]

Hiring people to help fight the corruption and then shooting them even if they weren’t infected

and yes it’s my dog

[granite shard]

🥺 🥺 what a cutie

[sinful bloom]

It's not Hardin fault that they didn't have a home to return too and he we was feeding the animals don't see anything wrong with that smalls

Y'all folk are so critical of folk being helpful

[granite shard]

[sinful bloom]

Am I wrong smalls

[granite shard]

I feel like the peson wearing the face of another person isn't the best person to take ethics lessons from

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrutes-face-mask-the-office-dummys-face-dwight-schrute-dummys-face-gif-17895643

Idk what your talking about

[granite shard]

horrifying, thank you

[real cedar]

First appearance of Doc Redmartin that was mentioned in the blogpost

[mint wind]

Holden name has been dropped, I ́m happy :>

[sinful bloom]

Man Rai look at that man's 🦵

Also I thought fool was doc

[real cedar]

Ye, he is

[sinful bloom]

Ah so u meant pre fool event gotcha

[real cedar]

Yeah, the blogpost mentions he had an appearance a long time ago but they ended up not doing much with the character until now

[sinful bloom]

Gotcha sorry bout that misunderstanding on my part

[noble scarab]

I dunno, I don’t think the judge has done anything worse than “trains full of orphans” Hardin

I guess maybe it’s an overreach kinda thing, where the judge has made it a personal mission

Hardin just has his ideals

Which are extreme

[rotund ferry]

It's understandable that the judges mission is personal given what happened to his daughter.

[noble scarab]

I forget if we get to really get into Hardins mind much

He’s evidently changed identities a few times but he claims to still be working for the “good” side of things

He clearly cares about himself and wants to come out on top of things while still doing his job

[real cedar]

I think the main thing the blogpost is saying with "beyond the point of no return" is not the morality of actions but the fractured mindset that goes beyond the ideals of law. The Judge doesn't really care about doing the right thing to preserve order, instead he is obsessed with the application of his laws. He's still got enough sanity to determine what is criminal but when it comes time to pass judgement, he lets the cards do it for him and lives with the results even if they're bad, such as releasing The Fool.

[noble scarab]

Kinda like an adeptus arbites from 40k if they were tarot obsessed

[rotund ferry]

I wonder if they will play more into the Tarot cards

[noble scarab]

This is a tarot themed trilogy of events

If we see lynch we’d probably get the empress card, and they’ve made mention of the hanged man too

Plus crytek plays a bit loose with the composition of their tarot decks, they don’t always match up with the normal major and minor arcana

[rotund ferry]

Is it confirmed to be a trilogy dont recall seeing that

[noble scarab]

It’s in here somewhere, I think a community manager might’ve called it that

[rotund ferry]

If you find it LMK.

[granite shard]

it was in the dev update livestream thing iirc

they called it the tarot trilogy

[noble scarab]

I’m sure Rai or smalls would know, I did a quick search through here, we mentioned it here but didn’t get a link

Smalls did in fact know

[granite shard]

haha

[real cedar]

This new blogpost also calls it the Tarot series

which doesn't guarantee there's another one coming but come on, what kind of series is two?

[strange bane]

I believe the next one we get will be the finale

Also, Good Afternoon Lore Hunters!

I had me some ale last night lol

[rotund ferry]

If they do another card than the Empress would be a good one to bring back Lynch like Tib said.

[strange bane]

A few years back, I had a recurring nightmare that a cloaked man in a top hat with a wide grin was flying through the air after me

Random I know, but Redmartin looked familiar to me for some reason…..lmao

[rotund ferry]

Cause the fool card signifies new beginnings, innocence, and the courage to take a leap of faith.

[strange bane]

Agreed Archie

The most powerful card imo

I also dig the Seven of Swords , the power to steal one’s life back

[rotund ferry]

All depends on what they do with the community events cause their are too many cards that could mean to many things especially with all the loose end within the lore and what seems to be the return of the legendary hunters.

[strange bane]

I noticed your pfp and name sake are either Pharis from dark souls or Irvine I think? The Inhuman Archer from Berserk

[rotund ferry]

Irvine From berserk.

[strange bane]

Based and Cultured

Glad I recalled the name properly

[rotund ferry]

The Tower tarot card represents sudden, disruptive change, upheaval, and liberation

this could be the ending card of the Tarot series.

[spiral mica]

Finally someone says it! The means totally justify the end, right?!

[rotund ferry]

Ok so the cards we have used so far are
The Fool =The fool
Judgement= maybe it's judge
there're two more cards that are shown in the trailer but having a hard time reading them could be looking into nothing but it's an interesting theory.

[obtuse timber]

What are bounty tokens?

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[rotund ferry]

Pretty sure its the power of the sculptor so in a way the bosses soul I'm pretty sure.

[real cedar]

It's a unique physical piece of the Target's body that's left behind after the banishing process. Each Target has their own piece, and it seems like they're carried in small vials on the Hunter's bandoliers, seen mostly on Tier 1-3s.

[obtuse timber]

Ohhhhhh okay thank you

[rotund ferry]

I was way off

[real cedar]

I mean, it could still be a piece of the bosses soul but the only things we know about the tokens is that they're physical enough to roll across your knuckles and store in barrels, and have enough power to do weird stuff. The true nature of them is kept a mystery

[rotund ferry]

Rai can you make out what this card says by any chance?

[real cedar]

The Garden

from the previous event

[rotund ferry]

Didn't watch the trailer for that that's why i didn't recognize it.
I dont recall any connection between the two events unless i missed something

[real cedar]

There's no concrete connection that I can think of, but The Fool does mention burning down the garden at one point in one of his trailers, and the Garden of the Witch song Let Us Prey names The Judgement of The Fool before the event came along

They're all just side stories with a slight thematic similarities with the tarot stuff

[rotund ferry]

Ok so this is the 2nd part of the the tarot trilogy i take it.

[real cedar]

Ye

[rotund ferry]

I got a theory ill post it once go over a few things.

[rotund ferry]

Very stupid idea but this is mainly me referring to wanting Lynch could the garden be referring to where lynch is since let us prey all talks about the empress and 6 swords
I mean last we know she went through a rift so Ik its a very big reach.

[orchid tangle]

oops wrong chat

[candid helm]

lol yer name

👌

[orchid tangle]

can you tell him to come back already

[orchid tangle]

is this actually him, if so which trailer was it

[real cedar]

A Swig of Fortune trailer, when The Spirited is inspecting his newly gained Redmartin rifle

[orchid tangle]

thank you

[candid helm]

Has phantom been gone for a long time? 🫡

[upbeat kiln]

I wonder what constitutes the point of no return if not the sacrifice of hundreds of children. Lol

[granite shard]

Literally lmao

[sinful bloom]

Non orphans hazmat

Or they forgot their own lore on Hardin

[upbeat kiln]

Governor: "Brewer, you are a raging alcoholic. You are setting a bad example for law enforcement officers. Why can't you be more like Hardin?"

Brewer: "mf what"

[granite shard]

Honestly the fact that brewer still is so loyal to hardin does speak poorly to her

Like it’d be one thing if he got results

But my man’s just committing atrocities and getting nowhere with them lmao

[upbeat kiln]

Hardin is like "let's try a hundred more.. lmao"

[neat juniper]

Eventually one of the orphans will work out

That's how they got Kevin, didn't they

[granite shard]

Yeah hardin saw Kevin and punched a hole through drywall bc he stopped his experiments too early

[neat juniper]

Ninety percents of "ends justify the means" people, abandon their evil plan right before they find the correct child

[granite shard]

Obviously the ten year old orphans were the wrong call. He needed the fourteen year old orphans

[neat juniper]

It isn't a pokemon world, ten year olds are powerless here

[upbeat kiln]

You're right. Hardin didn't lack children, what he lacked was motivation

Get up earlier

Sacrifice more children

If you believe in yourself. The plan will work

[neat juniper]

5:00 - wake up
5:01 - ice shower
5:02 - take a run
5:03 - sacrifice your first child for the day
...

[granite shard]

But being honest, I think it does hardin’s character a disservice to say that the pale judge is the first one to go past the point of no return

Bc I think a lot of hardin’s character centers around his ego and his willingness to just continuously do awful things

[sinful bloom]

Was their any hint of the children being corrupted?

[neat juniper]

Hardin has long gone past the point of no return
He took a sled down this slippery slope, if I dare

[granite shard]

Like he holds onto a thin veneer of law (his statement abt how he’d do worse if he wasn’t a man of the law when feeding hunters to rotjaw) but like that really is just an excuse for him to justify his actions

Like the pale judge has gone into the wacky mysticism area and that has fucked stuff up with him but I think hardin is a much more banal evil

It is kinda hard to talk abt hardin’s evil without delving into political stuff with how, while it’s still fantastical due to the nature of the story, it’s a lot more of a sort of look on policing and what happens when you give people with an ego that level of power and stuff

[neat juniper]

Also, also, he is not technically beyond a point of no return, because there's no like, supernatural compulsion turning him evil, he can just stop at any time
But he won't
Because we like powertripping

[mint wind]

I only recall Hardin being an extreme case of "means justify the end". The guy is still trying to fight corruption and deal with people attempting to harness it or spread it... although it hardly excuses everything he did. Didn't get on the loop enough for the orphanage story and the Rotjaw fast-food (although since hunters are rarely saints, wasn't he just looking to remove some very bad apples ?)

[granite shard]

I don’t think the ends justify the means is really like. A thing though, especially if the ends are never reached

[neat juniper]

It more like means means means and then there's no end

[granite shard]

Hardin I think is very much so a case of someone taking that Machiavellian world view but also failing to actually achieve anything, so all you’re left with is the means

Like almost nobody in the bayou could be accused of being a good person, but also most of them aren’t pretending to be

[mint wind]

Oh I'm really not defending him. He wants things to end, he's just still far behind.

[granite shard]

Yeah I just think tho that at some point even if you’re working towards a “good” goal, you can still cross a moral line

[mint wind]

The nuance would be that he isn't aware he dashed through it.

[sinful bloom]

From my pov maybe he hasn't passed his moral line yet everything for the greater good no sacrifice is to great

[real cedar]

The problem is that Hardin's successes are only mentioned in passing. His bio does state he was instrumental in the early stages of the corruption, and he was instrumental in getting rid of nearly all the Demented during Desolation's Wake. His extreme heavy hand does get results, but those results aren't what the writers are interested in telling a story about.
The early success with halting the infection is undercut by the prisoners he released and the spiraling of the AHA, and the Demented no longer being a problem is undercut by the immediate new fight with the Primal Pact. He had another chance for a big success in investigating the Backers, but the entire universe conspired to make sure he made no progress on that

[spiral mica]

Desolation's wake was such a good event. It might even be my favorite after Tide of shadows. The storytelling and larger focus on Hardin, and the conflict between him and Felis and their respective groups was so well written.
The emphasis on natural order vs civilized order and how both sides have essentially abandoned anywhere between a portion to a significant chunk of their humanity to fight against the monsters in a brutal and unforgiving environment that surrounds them.

[orchid tangle]

I think hardins just working for a good cause but with the worst actions. Felis (I think it was her iirc) kinda mentioned it. How brutal he was in desolations wake with throwing people into the rotjaw water because they weren't answering him.

I feel like it's kinda hard to decide whose a "bad guy" when 99% of hunters are pieces of shit who deserve to die

[spiral mica]

I'm sure the morality and methods of each hunter has been mentioned in the lore before and subsequently discussed here, but I feel like Desolation's wake was instrumental in focusing on that aspect of the narrative.

[spiral mica]

Felis rescued Centipede after one of their "cleansings" of the Demented. Although I usually wouldn't take it upon myself to sympathize with a group like the Demented I'll make an exception here. Basically and to my current understanding of previous events Centipede was essentially indoctrinated into the Demented pact and worked poison into bullets for them. Her bullets were no doubt used to kill other people, but she was really probably only doing what she was told and what she was being told to do was something she not only knew how to do but was also something she was exceedingly good at. When Hardin started "cleaning house" of Demented as it were he didn't care if Centipede was holding a gun for them or making their bullets. She honestly could've just been in the wrong place at the wrong time and Hardin and his goons still probably would've tried to kill her.

I do agree with Hardin on some points like how hunters should be held accountable for their actions, but Hardin is a hypocrite because who holds him accountable for his actions? Who judges him for his and his group's questionable methods?

[orchid tangle]

I mean I can't say I really sympathize with centipede but I don't sympathize with any hunters besides like kevin, sofia/lulu, hexbreaker, maybe brewer, and probably a few others that are slipping my mind

[spiral mica]

Hardin is first and foremost a officer of the law, and yet he's out here dishing out summary executions like it's wholesale slaughter. He's not giving people like Centipede due process, and although you could make the argument that Hardin doesn't have the luxury of due process considering the frontier nature of the environment they find themselves in I'd hardly say that's a feasible excuse for the atrocities he's committed all for the sake of fighting the incursion.

I get the whole abandoning your humanity to fight monsters, but at which point does that abandonment become a necessity or not? It's always important to maintain a piece of yourself in war, and really that's what Hardin is doing here. He's fighting this sort of supernatural war against unseen forces, but he's totally lost himself in the process of fighting. It's a common phenomenon in conflict and it's usually followed by mental conditions like PTSD.

[granite shard]

Tbh why I find Hardin different from people like Lulu/sofia is they’re pretty honest and just killing people. Like ultimately Lulu and sofia are serial killers (when they’re not doing death pact stuff) whereas hardin does a lot of these atrocities while masquerading under that thin veneer of law

I think that’s what makes hardin interesting

[spiral mica]

My thing is regardless if Centipede was guilty of any crimes or not she deserved better and she deserved due process which Hardin neglected to give her or anyone else he's slaughtered for the sake of justice. After the fighting and bloodshed had ceased and you're still unable to extend a gesture of mercy to those you are fighting against then really you're no better than the monsters you claim to be fighting.

[spiral mica]

I agree with this completely. I mentioned earlier that Hardin is a hypocrite because he claims things like holding hunters accountable for their actions yet turns around and really does whatever he deems is necessary all for the sake of the fight for order and justice. You're also correct about it making Hardin exceptionally interesting as a written character, and from a writers standpoint it's flaws in a character like this that can make storytelling very special.

[orchid tangle]

do we know what the law is like there I wouldn't be surprised if habeas corpus and due process is suspended or heavily messed with in incursions

Not that it makes it right but

[real cedar]

As the sovereign power of the territory, the Sculptor makes the laws and everyone else acts as insurgents

The AHA tried to have some control over the Hunters but that failed. The backers had even less and that failed too

[spiral mica]

I sorta mentioned this earlier too, but I'm assuming because these incursions are a unique and freshly discovered phenomenon it's probably one of those instances where due process isn't necessarily suspended, but often overlooked because desperate times call for desperate measures or something akin to that sort of thinking.

[orchid tangle]

I remember at the start of the events story the most formal way they've carried out their "legalness" was reading a dude his rites and killing him

or I guess "saying" his rites

[spiral mica]

The irony of the situation is that the corruption within the AHA and with the hunters themselves runs as deeply as the Sculptor's incursions.

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/george-lucas-its-poetry-rhymes-gif-19518899

[strange bane]

Good afternoon y’all

[spiral mica]

Sup

[orchid tangle]

if I were the backers I'd make everyone be nice I would say you only get 50% of the payouts unless you hug all your teammates after a good hunt

[real cedar]

Demented have to get into the get along shirt

[spiral mica]

Funny, but that shouldn't go without saying that codes of honor like that can also be easily exploitable by people in higher positions.

[orchid tangle]

I would be the highest

[bold phoenix]

Hey hey people

So I've been readin new lore

And it tells us about Pale Judge being called to judge poachers who poached Statesman's elephant

I think it correlates with items we got in desolation wake

Obviosly I'm talking about Final Constitution antidote shot skin

I believe this is the event during which Statesman got sadly familiar with the effects of poison

How do you kill an elephant? You use a really big gun

But why would you need to poach elephant ivory if you can afford a really big gun?

Poachers obviosly used poison to murder the poor animal

[orchid tangle]

they spent all their money on a really big gun

[bold phoenix]

Also I drew Statesman riding his elephant friend

[rotund ferry]

The last news about statesman I believe was in SE correct?

I don't recall them explicitly saying he was poisoned at the end of it. the Ivory guns/spear in this BP could be from the elephant.

Has he been poisoned in the past most likely.

[bold phoenix]

Yes, that's why I figured it out

[brazen root]

sseth here

[strange bane]

Good afternoon

[gilded umbra]

Sheriff Hardin, you killed me yesterday.

[strange bane]

I hope y’all are having a nice day

[analog pendant]

And you!

[strange bane]

Thank you!

[rotund ferry]

Do we know if the Chinese hunters have any connection to each other?

Or have interacted with each other

[gilded umbra]

North Star and the other hunter contained in that bundle have a connection from what I understand.

[noble scarab]

Both sets of Chinese hunters came over together but they are otherwise not related. By set I mean each pair, not all four at once.

[analog pendant]

So I like trying to make loadouts based on characters, whether it’s there lore or if they have equipment that they come with like a dlc, any ideas for Felis?

[strange bane]

Nocturnal Lament is one I remember off the top of the dome

Idk if that’s right though lol , will be checked if not

[analog pendant]

Gotta Love Mads

[noble scarab]

felis has the lemat carbine and a romero shorty

[brazen root]

I don't actually know this but it also feels like that little animal skull charm belongs to felis lol

[brazen root]

Ok so its confirmed that the all cure is jonkler juice

[granite shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/1mbkr07/round_1_ends_the_pale_judge_reigns/

[vivid crystal]

I wonder what is in it? The Sculptures bathwater?

[boreal cairn]

What character in Hunt is like the revenant (from the book/movie). I unlocked the mosin skin that references it and am looking for a hunter to pair it with

[noble scarab]

Mountain man or his other two leather clad children perhaps

[strange bane]

Good Afternoon dear friends

Hunters, Corvids, demented , regardless. I hope y’all are having a nice day

[strange bane]

Really love this, keep looking at it and it makes me feel better

Lol

[analog pendant]

And you always, syndi 🤗

[spiral mica]

We have a Scarecrow hunter, right? Do you think he uses some sort of fear toxin?

[real dove]

we have 2

[real cedar]

Finally getting around to reading the new story.
First thing I noticed is that The Pale Judge's backstory has changed. The press release for the event said he was from Mammon's Gulch, but this story has him presiding over Orleans Parish. That does make the overall story more understandable

[gilded umbra]

Where can I read that new story?

[real cedar]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/round-1-ends-the-pale-judge-reigns

The image has better formatting but the raw text is available too

[bold phoenix]

I really don't like it

Crytek said they'll work on the lore and even met with @upbeat kiln

And this here tibit can be summorised with "they drank jonkler juice and went crazy........... thats crazy......................."

[real cedar]

In a vacuum it's not an incredible story but as a chapter of the whole story it begins to tell more than we knew.
Sadly it won't be a 15 chapter story

Hopefully it's around 8 chapters, 4 we get from winning the contest rounds (assuming 4 rounds based on the time we have left and the number of event boosted hunters available) and the remainder after the event perhaps

[orchid tangle]

thats most hunter lore tbh that's not a new thing

[upbeat kiln]

I haven't had the chance to influence any of the writing. I don't even know if that will even be a possibility.

One can hope :)) ❤️

[real cedar]

I believe in the fabled Hazmat story map coming to fruition 💪

[neat juniper]

Hazmat supremacy shall be

[spiral mica]

I think Hazmat will need more than necro+resilience to revive the narrative.

[tropic tide]

When is the spider getting a devotee?? We have hunters that resemble the butcher, assassin, and scrapbeak.. we need an arachnid style hunter to complete the collection!

[sinful bloom]

thats what im sayin been waitin for a spider hunter for years now

[tropic tide]

We have gator skinned hunters and even one with a bear head too 🤣 covers rotjaw and the brute. So spider & hellborn are what we are missing

[sinful bloom]

i really dont care bout hellborne hunter its not even a boss imo but spider yes

just sayin no boss should be able to die in one attack with one item

[granite shard]

My big dynamite bundle to any boss would like to have a word

[thick cape]

Now here me out, can we squeeze in the mars automatic pistol into hunt showdown 😂 the weapon fits very well with hunts crazy guns like the uppermat and the uppercut and the avtomat, it was first designed and I think created in 1897 so we could maybe squeeze it in maybes, I think it'd be fun and a cool addition to hunts crazy guns

[strange bane]

Good morning Legends!

Am awake before noon, perhaps the undead curse has been lifted lol

[real cedar]

I strongly feel like the Centipede is meant to embody the Spider in a meta sense. Similar to how the Spider breaks the mold of the other Sculptor creations by being an arachnid rather than an insect, the Centipede breaks the mold of Demented hunters by embodying a centipede rather than a straight copy of the Spider. They're both analogous to their kin, but also separate from them.

[spiral mica]

I more or less agree with that interpretation tbh. A purely spider themed hunter would be cool to see, but Centipede also fits the bill for the Demented theme they had going.

[strange bane]

Who’s the owner of Eventide Timepiece? The Stopwatch lol

[noble scarab]

Is that the recent twitch drop one? If so I don’t think the owner is listed

Oh no it’s one from desolations wake

Yea no owner is listed and I can’t think of any current hunter that matches that description

“Passed down through generations, this pocket watch stopped ticking the second its owner’s final descendant breathed her last. Now carried on by her lover, it is a treasure that holds both cherished memories and gruesome secrets.”

[gilded umbra]

It’s one of my favorite weapon charms.

[strange bane]

!!!Same!!!! Looks incredible on some weapons more than others, but Eventide Timepiece and Reason to Return are my favorites now

[strange bane]

Blends exceptionally well with the Conspirators Martini

[noble scarab]

I really only use a couple of the charms, most of them just flop around and are in the way

[strange bane]

Fair

For me it depends on if it integrates well with the type of weapon

[earnest jungle]

What on earth did that maniac put in his all-cure to have such effect.

[spiral mica]

It's good to know there are other people out there that try to match the vibe or look of a weapon with a specific charm.

[earnest jungle]

Perhaps this is how: Doc Red Martin "killed" the judge's daughter. The bandit who killed her was poisoned by Redmartin's medicine.

[spiral mica]

Are we certain that particular trailer is actually canon material though?

[real cedar]

The vibes are canon at least

[brazen root]

I use this on my Hyde pax, the bronze-ish color matches very well

[earnest jungle]

This is in reference to the flavor text for one of the judge's weapons describing about how he murdered a bandit who cut off his daughter's head

I previously assumed this to be a post-mortum mutilation though it now occurs to me that rather than Doc Redmartin accidentally poisoning the Judge's Daughter one of the men who had been poisoned by Doc Redmartin killed his daughter.

[strange bane]

Good afternoon y’all

[noble scarab]

The new survey asks about story and lore opinions

Nothing in particular but it asks about it

[real cedar]

As with every survey, I max out the lore questions wherever possible

[granite shard]

Mood

[strange bane]

Good Afternoon y’all, viva lore

I raise my mug of coffee as a toast to the fortitude and fortune of these fine individuals

Finer still is the freeing feeling of foolishly fanning my ability to use a fair amount of flabbergasting vocabulary with the letter F ….very foolish of me indeed lol

[noble scarab]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/JJMYSsvSSU

New images of the returning mythic items

Plus some rain details 👀👀👀

Like a fucking month of twitch drops

Nothing new tho

However the rain is map exclusive to Stillwater and mammons

Horrific, thank you crytek

[real cedar]

They don't want to sully the best maps with it

[noble scarab]

Stillwater and mammons really are the worst

Don’t know how the game survived with just Stillwater as a map in the beginning

[strange bane]

Finished the survey, I’m doing my part!

Doubled down on lore

I hate surveys normally, however if it’s for the future of Hunt, I feel motivated asf lol

This game is my multiplayer bonfire. Idk how because it’s a dark struggle filled game. But it gives me a flow state and sense of immersion that clears my mental fog better than any ole Toby

[real dove]

I wont be surprised if it comes to other maps in time

likely just need to make sure it works on the new maps

not new- updated parts of the maps

[analog pendant]

Cryteck the teases~

[mint wind]

Stillwater is the most "Hunt" map of the map imo.
Rn the one I like the least is Lawson, it just lacks vibe.

[spiral mica]

With all the basement compounds and watery hellhole compounds on Stillwater I can safely say that map is my least favorite.

DeSalle is easily my favorite map.

[past shale]

My first match ever was on Lawson

[gilded umbra]

I think DeSalle is also my favorite map followed by Mammon’s Gulch, Lawson Delta, and then Stillwater Bayou.

Definitely looking forward to Thundershower returning.

[spiral mica]

Imagine that. It looks like we've got the exact same ranking.

However there are days where I do enjoy Lawson more than Mammon's but overall I'd still place Mammon's above it in my own personal ranking of the maps.

[brittle patrol]

Mammon´s gulch is my favorite map. I´m always in awe by the beautiful mountain landscape. I find Stillwater Bayou the scariest map 🌿 😱 🌱

[gilded umbra]

Yeah, it’s creepy and eerie.

[brazen root]

Mammons and desalle on top as the goats

Stillwater has unbeatable atmosphere tho

[short patio]

🤔 i take all 4

The only thing i dont like is night time an that blueish day time (morning ?)

[real cedar]

Dusk/Sundown, somehow harder to see distant people in it than Night, probably because it seems like you should be able to see further than you can, while night you understand your limitations better.

[noble scarab]

Dusk washes out all the colors and makes everything so hard to see

I’d rather have fog or night

[brazen root]

Sundown is by far the most beautiful time of day though

I don't see dusk represented this well in games ever

[tall lava]

To me dusk is the worst

Most amount lighting issues with shimmering, everything looks more flat with the lack of contrast

Sundown was better imo

[gilded umbra]

Thundershower in 5 days. 🌧️

[strange bane]

Good afternoon Hunters!

[gilded umbra]

Greetings

[strange bane]

Memento Amoris , Remember to live

[brittle patrol]

Greetings bountyboys!

bayou-brethren?

[strange bane]

Haha

[strange bane]

Good Afternoon, Bayou Chooms

[strange bane]

Good afternoon, gents ladies and ghouls

[strange bane]

Fall is in the air. Our time of year approaches

[spiral mica]

We're still about 2 months away from October though

I remember as a kid Halloween was one of my favorite holidays with all the dressing up and trick or treating and I remember heading back to school in August and waiting for what felt like an entire year for October to come rolling around and when it finally did little me was always so excited.

Now as an adult I can't really say I feel the same way I did as a kid, and the time between August and October flies by much quicker now, but at least I can look forward to Halloween related events in the video games I play.

[noble scarab]

don't know how the weather was all over but in the southeast it was finally cooler and rainy. made it feel like fall. it was nice, especially after the brutal heat lately

[glad anchor]

Hunt Geoguesser: Where is this?

[real dove]

Swamp

[brazen root]

Keep walking and you'll end up in stillwater

[fallen matrix]

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.1988897,24.9791559,196m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDczMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[fallen matrix]

Suomi = swamp

[strange bane]

Good afternoon Y’all!

[spiral mica]

Looks Midwest

Or maybe not. Maybe someplace like upstate New York, Lake George.

There isn't really any foliage that I can see at least that would indicate it's swamp.

[gilded umbra]

I was born in Rome, near Syracuse.🗽

[spiral mica]

I've heard of your Zoo before. Rosamond Gifford.

[gilded umbra]

I’ve lived in California for years but I have heard that zoo is nice. 👍🏼

[spiral mica]

Never been myself, but I do keep track of notable Zoos in the country.

[gilded umbra]

New Hunt Map Idea: New York ⛄️

[spiral mica]

Post Malone did say in his interview how it'd be cool if we got a more urban map.

[gilded umbra]

Yeah, before we got Mammon’s Gulch I honestly thought it was going to be New Orleans.

[gilded umbra]

I’m still hoping we get to go to that small village north of Mammon’s Gulch.

[real dove]

I'd love a more city map- not totally city- but like, big urban area in the middle kinda like the Mammon caves.

Don't wanna get too cod tho

[brazen root]

Something like blackwater from red dead redemption

[real dove]

Yeah

Would be beat

Neat

DeSalle lower times 3

I'd be happy

Big clock tower jnt be middlw

In the

[brazen root]

Yuup

[gilded umbra]

Yes, we need Greater DeSalle.

[karmic ravine]

can anyone give me any background information on why the name 'jessica' is on the Dolch Bad Blood skin?

[real cedar]

Bad Blood is a copy of the Dolch Precision Bedlam Lullaby skin, recolored to be black and gold rather than silver. Both of them say "Jessica 4-11-1893".
Bedlam Lullaby is the property of Philip Huff Jones, which suggests Jessica has some connection to him, either someone who died that day, or perhaps a daughter that was born. The real irl Philip Huff Jones doesn't have any connection to a Jessica so that angle doesn't help.

[jovial stream]

Heya, loremasters. Do I get this correctly, that the whole epidemic and curse in Stillwater started in Kingsnake Mine when someone performed a ritual there to open a rift to the other side? Do we know the names of who did it and what exactly happened there?

Or devs, yet again, decided to conceal that to not bother writing a coherent lore create a mystery?

[granite shard]

okay so that's not entirely correct

what happened in kingsnake mine is pretty disconnected from what caused the incursion

[jovial stream]

Really? I might have misunderstood the story then

[granite shard]

two big events are tied to kingsnake mine that you might be thinking of:

1. mr chary experimented on mary ochenkov (ochenkov's widow) and kept her stored down there to unleash on a group at the end of serpent's moon
2. in the tides trilogy, when the land of the dead started to have influence on the land of the living, a portal split open in kingsnake mine called the graven path

[jovial stream]

So we don't even know how exactly the curse started and why here?

And if I am correct, we don't even know how the trip to the other side ended. They met the Sculptor and the curse was sort of lifted, but we don't know if they even fought the thing. It's just the curse popped out in another region while poor Stillwater is still an uninhabitable zone full of zombies and monsters and idiots with guns.

[granite shard]

I think you’re confusing the land of the dead with the sculptor

They never met the sculptor

They entered through the graven path, went through the land of the dead to the mound at the center, and managed to kill the big bug that was growing in the mound, and then returned through the graven path to Lousiana

After that, there was a period of time where the bayou was returning to the status quo of corruption, and at the end of that period is when the incursion in Colorado was discovered

The bayou was under control enough that the drowned were able to mostly handle it while the majority of hunters packed up and went to Colorado

We know exactly how the incursion there started: the backers were experimenting with bounty tokens and that caught the eye of the sculptor

[bold phoenix]

I like to think that Lawful pact overtook the bayo with the Investors help

[jovial stream]

Okay, the story is even messier than I got it.

They are doing a really bad job at explaining the story in the game.

[spiral mica]

I mean, the game hasn't had a very solid narrative since the Scorched earth event a little over a year ago now. The 1896 update essentially removed more than it added. We don't have event stories anymore. We don't have the compendium in the actual game anymore, but at least it's situated on the official website but it's missing the Devil's moon story. We can no longer read the descriptions of mythic items that we don't actually own like charms, weapon skins, hunter skins, and equipment skins. For a while there we couldn't even read the description of hunters we did ow, but luckily that was corrected recently.

Quite a bit of the story we have now past scorched earth is mostly conjecture and speculation. There have been hints of a larger story in events like Harvest of ghosts with the whole weaponized dark sight stuff or the Garden of witch event with the welders and Bruja coming together despite their drastically different backgrounds to fight a common foe, but beyond that initial hint there hasn't really been much of a focus on establishing any additional narrative past scorched earth.

At this point in time we just have to assume things like whether or not the Post Malone murder circus is chilling out in the land of the dead right now, or if the fool's snake oil Joker juice is responsible for turning a bandit crazy who then murdered Judge's daughter and that being a key reason for this whole rivalry and current conflict between the Judge and the fool. It feels like these ideas for a narrative again have certainly been established, but without any additional context or more of a focus on them we can't really get a bigger picture of what is actually going on anymore.

The best and most brief way I could possibly explain the current state of the lore is like having a large puzzle that is only partially finished and even though there is a desire to continue that puzzle you're missing important pieces to continue it.

[granite shard]

I also feel like the tides trilogy is the most straightforward and up front lore we have

They explain pretty clearly what’s going on and we get the epilogue to it in the form of desolation’s wake wrapping most of the loose ends up pretty well

Idk there’s stuff that’s been vague in the story before but basically everything that went down in the tides trilogy feels/desolation’s wake like it was pretty well explained within it

[brazen root]

The desolation vibes were also immaculate

[strange bane]

I genuinely adored Desolation’s Wake. Every hunter added is a banger, the story of it was awesome and the PSB track “An Acquired Taste” has got to be one of my favorite songs by them

Also, good afternoon y’all!

[brazen root]

Absolutely

I still use the centipede

And acquired taste is a banger

[strange bane]

We were eating so goof before scorched earth lol

Good*

[strange bane]

But yeh, I hope you all are doing great today! Let’s get some dubs in , and if you’re grinding dark tributes today might be a lucky pull! 🍀

[tired spear]

Tide of desolation and desolation's wake were my favourite modern events both in terms of design and story

Acquired Taste is also my favourite modern song

[midnight zodiac]

The trip to the other side ended with The Drowned and Grounded Pacts foiling The Demented Pact's (and, according to The Rat's suspicions, Lynch's too) ploy to spawn a new eldritch God and they were subsequently ejected back wantonly into the bayou:

The Path spread a cover between us and Desolation and splashed over the cave. It drank us in. Spat us out all across the bayou, in trees, creeks, and on roofs and walkways.

Noone has ever necessarily met the sculptor itself, though implicitly one might get a chance if it has a personal presence, given that Kevin has claimed to have spoken to the moon (right before the moon gave Kevin a gun to shoot Mr. Chary).

[spiral mica]

Besides Tide of Shadows I'd say Desolation's wake is also my favorite.

It was easily the most straightforward, grounded, and coherent storytelling that an event story has given us so far.

[midnight zodiac]

I hope they pick back up on the old storyline that we got in the Moon trilogy to the one on 1896 release launch.

I'm not certain how this, apparently, tarot-inspired trilogy is supposed to tie into that.

[spiral mica]

The Moon trilogy basically concluded where the Tides trilogy began, but recently this battle pass has given us more post-moon trilogy mentions than any other event has so it's possible they'll do something related to Kevin and the moon stuff again.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they do next.

[midnight zodiac]

I wouldn't really say it concluded-concluded over it switched focus in the overall storyline.

It jumps from following Kevin and co's part in attempting to foil Chary from ascending to Godhood to how everyone else is dealing with it and further exploring the Land of the Dead. For Tides of Corruption we get a second antagonistic faction as the death pact fail as Kevin and the Lunar pact did to stop Chary's machinations while, simultaneously, the demented pact take up their own efforts in ascension. Tides of Desolation is obviously the most thorough exploration we've had of the Land of the Dead as well as the point at which the Grounded and Drowned successfully foil the Demented Pact (for now, since Butcher's Cleaver and Beekeeper are running around Mammon's Gulch, investigating that mess of human sacrifice and occult rituals).

We still, overall, don't know how Chary's battle with the moon is going or went, afaik, which seems like something that might be important.

I don't think we'll see a return of the Infernal Pact, given that Chary doesn't seem to have a body anymore.

[real cedar]

Overall I don't like the moon trilogy or Mr. Chary very much, I hope that storyline is over for good.
The moon just isn't a thing in game, it has no impact on what we do so it's hard to feel connected to its storyline. Kevin vs Chary felt more real as we saw the inferno and the serpents and all that but the high concept stuff just doesn't land and seems like a distraction from the core narrative of the game

[midnight zodiac]

I think the weather conditions immersed things pretty well, especially the cursed hurricane winds and the desolation. The map design for Mammon's Gulch ties in pretty well for its launch event - it talks about human sacrifices and the like and lo, we can see evidence of it!

but very fair.

I do miss serpent moon as a weather condition.

The yellow moonlight.

[spiral mica]

When I started playing this game it was right in the middle of the Serpent's moon stuff so I never really got the opportunity to became overly attached to anything related to that storyline. I think smalls said it best earlier with how the tides trilogy is the clearer story with Desolation's wake acting as a sort of epilogue to wrap up the loose ends.

[midnight zodiac]

Oh yeah, Tides is my favorite definitely.

I'm least sold on this Tarot thing.

[spiral mica]

That isn't to say I don't like the moon trilogy at all, but at the same time I completely missed traitor's moon and wasn't super invested with the characters of that storyline.

[midnight zodiac]

I don't think I'm necessarily put off persay by Mr. Chary. I can see it though, he's definitely one of the campier parts of Moon/Tides event trilogies.

[spiral mica]

I also have nothing against Chary as a character or the whole Kevin vs Chary stuff with the moon as a sort of additional deity in the setting like Rai does, but he's correct in the sense that aside from the actual trilogy and events themselves the moon really hasn't played a huge role or had any major impact on anything else besides that very specific period in Hunt.

[midnight zodiac]

Fair, they didn't really escalate the plot point beyond "The moon is now also corrupted, and it is propagating through the moon."

[spiral mica]

Basically what I'm trying to say is the Moon trilogy is good, but I definitely prefer the Tides trilogy and Desolation's wake more. Although with that being said I'd take anything like the Moon trilogy right now over the complete disconnect and conjecture that the narrative is right now. At the very least the moon trilogy had established itself as a story, but these more recent events (e.g Harvest, Murder Circus, and Garden) have all been pretty disconnected from one another.

[midnight zodiac]

Implicitly, it's still an issue, and Mr. Chary is doing whatever the heck he was trying to do, potentially. Maeve notes a black scar forming across the moon and supposes, having watched Mr. Chary pass on, for lack of a better word, that he's doing whatever he wanted to do.

[spiral mica]

I've heard the idea that Lynch and her newly found connection with the land of the dead possibly correlates with Chary and a possible connection he now has with the moon. To me at least it feels like Lynch and Chary are two sides of a coin in the sense that they were attempting to become something more than what they currently were.

[midnight zodiac]

Yeah. I also feel a pretty bad disconnect in the present events, especially the present one. I get how Doc Redmartin was a semi-important figure in all this, but his trial doesn't really push forward any threads on either the occult side of things or the administrative disintegration of the AHA.

[spiral mica]

It seems like they've moved pretty far away from anything Voodoo or supernatural like that in favor of a more basic and vanilla setting like some kind of classic western thriller or something akin to that. There hasn't really been anything super focused on the occult since the Murder Circus event, but I think I speak for quite a few people when I say the Murder circus stuff with the Heliostone and all that is more or less better left forgotten.

[midnight zodiac]

Though, it seems like Lynch always had a connection with it or, at least, has an extensive background in it transcending the period of the hunt, what with all the demon tonics and occult rituals she knows even before she seemingly creates the drowned.

[spiral mica]

Previously stuff like Voodoo and the occult were pretty large plot points in the setting, but now all we're getting is stuff like unusual cooperation between two different groups of people or a bitter rivalry and conflict between a Judge and a snake oil salesman. These aren't huge stories being told here in the context of the larger narrative.

[spiral mica]

I wouldn't necessarily say she's always had a connection to it at least not in the same sense that she does now, but she certainly has had a level of knowledge and understanding of it for a long time.

As far as I can tell there isn't really anything that indicates it, but considering where we see Lynch as a character now it feels like she was always focused on achieving this sort of outcome.