#lore-discussion
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What's the sculptor?
Tldr - eldritch not really a God trying to invade hunter world via medium of spreading infection that turns people into grunts
I need to be injected with teasers like the fool injected people with his special juice
I’m not sure it’s in the budget
bird jail my beloved
So that's why it took 10 months, if layouts are changing that drastically. Entire new buildings and entire new elevated areas
Yup. Makes sense
likely the last map they were working on and if peli is an indication, likely some major changes
looks like it got a facelift too
Realistically less than that cause they did Stillwater and Lawson first
Hard to say exactly whether work was overlapping on it or sequential
A bit of both most likely but they’re not doing 3 at once
Unless their mapping team is way bigger than we all imagine lol
yeah, cant be sure but doing all 3 at once seems silly
dedicate to 1 at a time
makes more sense to me but ja, who knows
I'd guess that pre-production of other map reworks was overlapping with the level designers actually changing the maps
I’m not sure much pre production would go into this other than a designer giving notes
But I’d imagine level designers also do the manual work in most cases
unknown but it has been changed :3
The lack of cover in the uphill section surrounding it was my number 1 issue with the place
Thank god
This looks so good
I love bird jail so much
Looks like there's a massive opening in the side of the main building too
A million new entrances too
Wish I still had my group to play with when it comes out
Let's be mindful that this might be the change highlight, we still don't know if other compounds have been improved this drastically.
even if they haven’t I think this was by far the worst compound to play in
The only one I think an improvement could be good for would be that one giant barn place
Yuup
And yeah I'm assuming that the only other change is the haybales on moses poultry lol, anything more is a pleasant surprise
Heritage, or Moses ?
Nah, at the shipyard you have a ladder and a little access to get inside, not just the side walk.
Ash Creek could use some reworking, other than that I think most of DeSalle's compounds are solid
Desalle is the most modern map so you’d expect it to take the least tweaking
Most of the Lumber themed compounds are a step down, funny enough
well, judging from the peli rework, they decided it did need some major work
Sometimes you have an idea for a compound that seems legit but then doesn't work out when given to the players, like Gas Works
I think gas works isn’t too annoying to fight in but often turns into the two towers fighting
That's the main problem, it funnels players into two core options for tackling the compound, the others aren't as viable. Like the underground tunnels might as well not exist
Gasworks is imo a missed opportunity to bring back double lair - compounds.
My least favourite compound is the new rail yard place
Terminus ?
Kinda disagree, the lair is open enough to make people willing to fight head on even if there's still the boss.
The only compound I'm not a huge fan of would be the only farm there, but only because Hunt already has so many farms... Mammon still have the most well-thought compounds in general imo.
Fingers crossed they did some work inside pelican too, the bottom was a cluster fuck and the top had weird sight lines, only directly across or down to parts of below
If someone was holding the bottom with a shotgun and you didn’t have a full loadout of explosives there wasn’t much you could do
Definitely 👍🏼
So my library hold for Blood Meridian finally came up and: the first appearance of Judge Holden sure is something else
I've been rereading it since I last read it liek freshman year high school
What Hunter has the coolest lore?
it depends. I think for me it's ultimately the witch hunter
GUESS WHO'S BACK
"Something’s out there.
It feels familiar at first glance, but there's something off. The shape. The silence. The way it moves.
Whatever it is, keep your distance."
Since it took this long, surely they've de-circused it?
is it the bear? I don't recognize the shape but that's the only sort of AI I could think of that they added and removed
I really hope so
okay yeah bear. probably decircused
The arm is 1000% the bear
Loved the bear, didn’t love that event so much
honestly I liked the non-post malone stuff
and I liked the gatcha machine I just didn't like the david branding on it lol
It’s a bit of a theme, that. The core ideas are cool, but the tacky branding etc glued on just spoils it
At least it did for me.
I’m not sure it’s the bear but wait actually it might be the bear
the bear's really the only big mob they've added and taken away
At the end of Blood Meridian there’s a dancing bear that the judge kills after the kid compares him to it unfavorably
Scrawny arm and ropes on the snout, it's definitely Ursa Mortis
Looks like the head spikes are gone maybe?
My other thought was that it was some kind of new exploding/fire mob what with the burning photograph
I'm with rai on it being the bear tbh
The hand looks too human
eh, look at the leftmost arm
Bearby
I have missed my belov
You could say thay "Circus-msized" ursa mortis!
Fuck yeah
Heh
Five bucks says bear will be a DeSalle exclusive Wild Target, and they're planning a fourth one for one of the other two maps
It'd be cool to have overlapping wild targets, like Rotjaw could spawn in all the Louisiana maps while some other wild target is DeSalle only or Lawson only
do people care about wild targets even?
i'd rather they spend time on adding a new boss
also do we know if she's gonna be a wild target?
she was basically meatman tier in the circus
she?
the bear
I think having another meatman tier mob would make more sense, esp since the spear's niche got pushed towards the big AI wrecker category
I want her to spawn completely randomly with 0 indication where she is, that'd keep up a scare factor for a decent bit
dude imagine just hitting a bramble bush as you're running through the woods
and suddenly she's chasing you down
I want it because the only time this game has made me jump is when I'm running through water to get distance on an enemy and fucking princess charges out of a bush directly infront of me
I'd like the idea of the bear being a wild target on all the maps.
The Bear would’ve been a good exclusive target for Colorado
Yeah, I agree. I've also said this before, but I wish a lot of the monster appearances changed for Mammon's gulch. Instead of meatheads we'd have meatbears with leeches or something. Hellhounds could've been these really furry looking zombie wolves instead of the Italian mastiff looking hellhounds in the Bayou. Grunts would be wearing warmer clothing for the mountains.
I think this kind of change to the monsters appearances would've helped the different identity that Mammon's gulch has from the Bayou as a map. It would've solidified the idea that we're definitely in a new and different place from the Bayou.
It would basically be the Hunt Showdown equivalent of Dorothy Gale from The Wizard of Oz saying "we're not in Kansas anymore."
I could see it happen for the grunts and maybe the hives but the lore doesn't really support non-mastiff hellhounds and animal meatheads
I mean, I could see a possibility where the Sculptor takes a couple of grizzly bears and fills them with leeches or the incursion affecting a pack of wolves. Really anything that could justify the monsters on Mammon's gulch appearing differently than the monsters seen in the Bayou.
I mean they're effectively just a different style of boss, so why not? I like them
whats the reason for non mastiff hounds
is it like a hive thing where sculptor is just copy and pasting one example
Ye, the sculptor seems to copy a group of hounds over and over rather than it being a shitton of dogs that each individually got corrupted as it (kinda) is for grunts and armoreds
Wasn't it just a ruffian who killed the poor bear ?
Tbf there’s a way to get non mastiff hounds with German shepherds
Since we have that book of weapons entry where bunny had been referred to as a German shepherd
Maybe that's just an example of an unreliable narrator. I kinda assumed it was Crytek's mistake the way it gets disputed in two other spots but perhaps it's intentional, like Micah Mitchell's journal being the wrong year.
The counterargument of course is how do you get your own dogs breed that wrong, or how do you not know what year it is.
But yeah they could easily put the work in to explain huge variants, they just haven't yet and I don't expect em to until Lore is firmly back in their focus
I'm still having contrasting emotions about lore
this event feels like... if we're gonna ever get chapters again it'll be here, but they JUST axed a bunch of people idk how that becomes a priority again
They axed people, but they also shifted Crysis 4 development onto Hunt, which would include some writers as well as that one narrative lead that sings for Port Sulphur Band. Add in the 5 months to get a story together for this event and it seems very possible.
this is true
I might buy through the pass if they do chapters so I can get a video up of it first day for people
but if I really like the unlocks I might want to grind legit because I'm one of the 12 people who likes working for thigns I already bought
Events are the one time we have some real nice progression in Hunt, it is pretty nice to have stuff to work for
I hope you're right in that doc has two skins for one before he goes crazy and one after. Not like they haven't done that before
Who's a good YouTuber for learning basic Hunt lore (like who/what the heck the sculptor is)?
HazmatFTW has the most comprehensive lore videos, though they're more narrative structured rather than focused on being informative.
There's also Liisn, Hunter's Lodge, and a couple of primers by WiseFish
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yes
vgood
I've got a theory
yes
The names seem like it, Milo and Morggi
Maybe on the gramophone in the circus?
nah it was a post
A post malone?
any post malones today?
I have a theory....

Bah, the new post today is just the bilibili Darin one, and the bilibili one today is just the moses poultry one from a few days ago
I'm still expecting the event's name to drop this week, maybe it's further away than I thought
surprising that none of the teasers have had like
any new weapons in them
usually that feels like what they start with? maybe they're acknowleding that people are kinda tired of the new weapon focus so they're putting eyes on the more interesting part of the update
Might be just another few variants this time and since DeSalle and Ursa are coming back that's much bigger
Or maybe no new weapons, who knows
No, there’s something more to the latest post today. “Something waits in the wreckage” and it ain’t no mouse. 🐁
Squeak
I'm assuming your sudden return is because of Desalle? Hoping for the return of the UFO at Kingsnake mine? I'll admit it'll be fun to see all the little references, and Easter eggs on Desalle again.
I think everyone can agree that they've missed this map.
I agree with this, but no comment on the alien stuff
I found the monolith from a certain science fiction movie….
Desalle still felt like a new map lol
Dracula at church, and Shrek in the swamp.
I found a big fish wearing a hat. 🎩
iirc the Ghost Rider one is always there.
I was honestlyhing thinking release date this week and then drop in like 2 weeks or something
starting to doubt...
oh shit yeah we're gonna have weekly reddit posts of "what is this?" and the screenshot of the monolith again
and it'll double because newer players
usually a week or two of teasers then drops a week or two after announcement
is the new desalle pic in announcements edited in a way?
looks very high rez
ingame engine can't be this clear
All the trailer style pictures with hunters in them are way higher res than is attainable:
I think they’re trying to showcase that they’re bringing back more of the other Hunter models
My maxed out graphics on PC look just like this. 👀
And my graphics on PS5 are very close to that because of my HDR settings and 4K TV. 📺
PC (Max Settings)
PS5 (Calibrated HDR)
idk if this was posted yet but from the CCP
I'm sure theres some translation weirdness here so idk waht they mean by version?
like name of the event? name of some new equipment?
june 6 tho
I can't imagine they're dropping the event on june 6 cuz no trailer yet and that's not a wednesday so maybe that's when the trailer drops
game fest is also june 6 soo
was just about to post this lmao
June 6 is just the giveaway I think
The chinese CMs are wild lel.
I think it has to have some sorta announcement with it because you're not gonna give it to the right guesses, essentially confirming their guess, without showing the goods.
really love them replacing some of the "generic" structures (white houses/shacks) with more unique ones
yeah I like that
It's funny, before I didn't think much of the white shack. Now I'm glad it's gone.
Daaaamn Pearl I see you 👀
I see a new topside entrance from the front there, and the removal of those bushes on the outside of the wall, but it looks like there's going to be additional cover once you actually get into the compound.
Pearl was already impossible to defend now it’s worse lol
Somehow I found it both hard to defend and hard to push
I think it’s my least favorite desalle compound
Upper Desalle is the correct answer
Not necessarily. We still don't know what the back or sides of Pearl really look like so they could've made some changes there as well.
Maybe with these new changes they're suggesting the idea of players attacking from the front instead of the usual rotate and strike from behind that most players would do.
personally it's my favorite. Big ass shootout in a plantation house is peak western gameplay
Pearl Plantation looks great. I can’t wait to die there. 
Was there a story attached to Garden of the Witch?
I can't seem to find any in the library of the great Rai
Not really
It was like harvest of ghosts where they had a narrative blurb in the press kit but I wouldn’t say it was a story as much as a justification for the skins
ah I see
It was basically the welders use machinery and technology and the brujas use nature and stuff and they had to work together to fight a new onslaught of corruption
Was there conflict before the cooperation?
It really wasn’t gone into that deeply haha. Here’s all of the blurbs abt the “story” from the different press releases
It says they were at odds but nothing really specified
Ultimately it’s why I’m still honestly not expecting a narrative for the upcoming event. These sounded like they could lead into something and we didn’t even get a blog during gotw lol
So judging by the screenshots they shared so far I'm guessing that Pelican, Moses and Pearl are the compounds they worked on the most.
I hope the middle-ish fishery one got a bit of a work
That one was basically a rectangle with walls and not much room to move in or out
While this is probably just flavor text I dig how it meshes with the Researcher's Speculations that the torturous human experiments performed by Warden Jabez on the inmates rather than being a symptom of the corruption is what drew the corruption to DeSale in the first place.
My favorite Hunt historian. 🤠
Part of me wonders if they wanted to do more narrative stuff but just weren't able to get it out in time
I feel like it’s just like harvest of ghosts
They just had something short to give a narrative justification
Harvest of ghosts had a narrative justification?
Or a narrative at all? Lmao
It had fun ideas tho, at least in regards to the seemingly evil pumpkin entity
Wasn’t harvest of ghosts when they removed lore
Mhm
Yea it was the first to not have chapters
It was the hellborns book of monsters chapters
With some stuff for the backers mixed in
Harvest of ghosts had this whole thing abt pumpkin boy weaponizing darksight
Was that ever followed up on or?
No, that’s kinda what I’m talking abt lol
Feels like a wasted opportunity to have introduced more offensive combat traits that used dark sight.
These events have had small narrative blurbs in press releases that seem to set up a bigger story
And then nothing
Which is my fear for this upcoming event
Which is fair
Seems like it was a precursor to Shadow Crush and and the other recent dark sight traits
pumpkin man weaponizes darksight and a kendo player, girl who thinks she's a wolf, and fortune teller team up to murder him
...now I really wish we got lore just to see how they dealt with that
Looks like the next DLC
OH MY GOD
AFTER TWO YEARS
A woman
Now it’s time to go two years before the next one
Now the real question is if a mask conceals her face.
it's only been a year and.... 6 DLC
lmao the last solo female hunter was actually 2 years ago
Two years
the only other two were bundled
Yeah
before that they had almost 6 female hunters in a row
Also, don't the uppercut skins from garden of the witch mention Blanchett graves?
Never a streak like this
Yeah, three, scaramuccia, and then three
As opposed to every single DLC for two years containing a man lmao
I know we’ve had a few events where no women were launched
I put together a doc awhile back of the ratio
It was pretty bad
Definitely more diverse across the board, but when you strictly look at dlc it's been 2 years.
post malone's BP didn't have any, just giggles and the circus lady as BB hunters
Harvest of Ghosts didn't have any either in the BP.
it's funny that there's been such a long streak without any DLC ones cause in-game I feel like it probably is 50/50 male/female
true
in terms of what people use
and whenever a female skin releases I feel like I see it 10x more often than new male hunter skins
Okay this was around the harvest of ghost release that I put this together
I think right before
Time frame was after bone mason through probably silver spur’s launch
The ratio got way skewed towards men lol
I wish we could still see every hunter even ones that can't be obtained anymore in the menu
I liked going over old event skins
That's true, but only because it's skins like Bloody red and Desert rose. I think for the entirety of Harvest of ghosts and up until the murder circus the bloody red skins were the most played female hunter. Possibly even the most played hunter skin in general.
Yeah, I'd like this for weapon skins too.
On a cynical level, them selling better is probably why they’re more often sold as BB hunters— especially ones w multiple versions
Now we just can't see certain things we don't own, and we also can't read the description of hunters we own.
yep, would definitely see one almost every game during harvest
do BB hunters really make them more? I'm aware that in theory they cost more but people can offset the cost with BBs gained from other stuff
The BB gain in game is so negligible that you’re likely going to put however much money down into the game
what's the real point of splitting things into DLCs vs bundles atp, they charge more for BB stuff anyways lol
Shrug emoji
Now this is an interesting ass DLC.
The Ghost was first referenced in Interview with Fenella Cleve, the Vetterli Marksman mastery
What I mean is, that it was then I noticed the strange things that weren't hunters, or the rot. Did you ever hear the old stories about the Pearl Plantation?
If they're connecting that deep, why not do a second connection? What if it's Fiona, mad with grief over what Lewis DeSalle did to her husband and all those men?
Damn smalls can finally rest
If they'd use that concept art design I'd insta buy
Tomorrow we get the reveal that she’s bundled with a man and then I will scream for the rest of eternity
😂😂😂
Hunt doesn’t really do pride month stuff (shame, I feel like they could at least do subtle pride charms of like bundles of feathers in more natural versions the different flag colors) but this is a pride month release and therefore she should be a lesbian
In this essay I—
"The 'The Ghost of Blanchett Graves' DLC has been postponed! We are terribly sorry for the inconvenience but in place of it we'll be releasing our next partnership DLC 'Freddy Fazbear's® Wrath'"
Lmfaoooooooo
William afton went BACK IN TIME and he’s springing a trap on all the hunters
Can't wait for those dusters I've had the nutcracker for so long
Wait I switched to knuckle knife what am I talking about
Why nowwww
Yall don’t just abuse the throwing axes?
I need something to fuck up immos
Using the butt of my gun is too stamina intensive 
I think the only times I’ve been fucked over by it or wishing I had a blunt weapon I’ve been able to use chokes
It is annoying tho
But I can’t give up the axe utility
They don't aesthetically go with the hunters I use
Love a good aesthetics load out
I also generally keep throwing axes on me
I have them instead of fusees or a flare gun
I hate instaburn shit so I avoid it even if it’s objectively the better play
My fourth tool slot is reserved for derringers
King
I hate traps with my entire being
Valid
I at least don’t trap extracts like some people
And with my luck I always spawn on the opposite side of the map as the boss and don’t get a chance to set them up
I don't take traps as I cannot trust my friends
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I can’t trust myself
that too
If there is a trap I will run into it
Bc they get put in the areas people like to go
However
i am people
one of my friends loves poison hand crossbow
i like to go there
that was a nightmare when there was that glitch where poison clouds kinda went invisible at certain angles
Oh god
Tho for me I used to always run an antidote shot
So that wouldn’t be as much of a concern
Nowadays I bring a milk shot w me so poison is scarier
I've almost always ran 4 weak vit shots because I'm too lazy to make consumable loadouts
I was too lazy to even make strong vit shot loadouts for later in prestiges
I should start bringing milk shots though
I usually do 2 big regen, 1 stam, and 1 milk
yep yep always 4 shots and I'll use whatever explosives I find off of corpses
god I love injecting myself with mystery shots
part of me misses random 3 traits for hunters so I could waste all my frest prestige money on private eyes trying to get one without hundred hands
I misss the 3 randoms traits because I would just play what worked with them
I'm lost. Pearl Plantation and Blanchett Graves are two different locations on two different maps owned by two different families. How does this Ghost of Blanchett Graves Connect to the Ghost of Pearl Plantation?
Alison/Jos DLC
Remanent is revealed to be necrophagic energy
Oh am I stupid and just read the wrong name when I woke up 😂
Well that's disappointing
I have three theories for who this Ghost of Blanchet Graves is going to be:
Theory One (The boring one): The Ghost is a totally new hunter with no previous connections to the lore
Theory Two (The Cool One): The Ghost is going to be a reference/allusion/expy of an existing character/fanart/concept art/Hunt the Gilded Age
Theory Three (The Really cool one): The Ghost is going to be a lore character: namely the Widow Blanchett or someone connected to her.
Was anyone able to confirm if those uppercut skins from Garden of the witch have anything to do with her?
They're both in a similar black gothic style (though they don't share design elements like Night Tyrant and Ghost Face's kit do) and are both from Blanchett Graves but there's no confirmed connection.
Alright this is good info to know, thanks. I like idea that it could be a bride.
Discovered some concept art on Art Station for Hunt Showdown that includes unused assets for tarot cards
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lV4yVo
Creatures have overrun our world, and their flesh is the hunters bounty in a tense match-based, first person bounty hunt from CRYTEK. In a team of two hunters you have to track and kill creatures. The bounties are high, but so are the risks.
Since the redesign of the game we started developing a symbolic picture language for the traits. That w...
Presumably these were going to be for the True Deck and it just makese me wonder how that was going to work from a gameplay and story perspective.
Teaser for today?
Well they're six years old so I doubt that
The Tarot of the True Deck got scrapped back during Beta
I thought so too, but I haven't seen anything yet.
So what is the lore of the game and where does it take place? Is there a reason has to be there?
Lore files pinned in the channel.
rai about to drop a book
There was some early ideas for why it had to be the Louisiana bayou but those ultimately got scrapped.
What remains is that the Sculptor manifests wherever it can, spreading pockets of corruption called Incursions, the two currently are southeast of New Orleans in the bayou and west of Colorado Springs in the mountains.
It's not explained exactly how or why incursions begin, but some theories suggest humans can bring the corruption by tampering with the occult - such as what happened in Colorado with rich people using monster bounties in alchemical experiments - or excessive cruelty. It spreads like an infection, so that's why Hunters are paid well to kill monsters and collect their bounties.
Huge thank you
I need a modern day hunt universe where it's just youtubers making clickbaity stuff about "infinte money strategies" and it's just that lore entry about people farming spider over and over again but now it's a youtuber recommending shitty ammo brands and being sponsored by some company making "ethical" knock off lynch juice
waow
so the ursa return is it's like child?
I mean it's gonna be a reskin obviously
but it seems like it's supposed to be different in lore
Woah
Dorothy Alice has piqued my interest
I'm so glad they confirmed the fool is body horror and not a mask
though my first thought of him being hidden in alice farms is how it's one of the few compounds I never want to defend in because of how many holes it has to look through
just hide him in one of the bushes to the right of the compound
ez pz
there are even users with the F word in theyr name
what is wrong here ?
find the error
i wont say it twice
I forget who mentioned the tarot theme but seems intentional—
Lynch as a kid was using Tarot too
I am going to assume this is unrelated to lynch for now
They’ve been pushing the tarot theme by way of the last events song and the new focus on the UI that should have an recap using the tarot-style cards
Plus it’s always been part of the hunt vibe
Yeah
The original Meathead was found dead by an amatuer taxidermist, and later revived by the strike of lightning
Any info on this Ada Ruth Shell
Seems to be the survivor of the first registered existance of the Hive
`Interview with Ada Ruth Shell
Interviewer. “AHA member"
Date: Retracted
Typewritten, questions omitted(...), 8.5" x 11"
1/4
Mama always said not to let my mouth hang open, or a spider'd crawl in. Didn't believe her at the time, but after she went, I never forgot it. I was 13 the day it happened. I know because it was my birthday. Nothing to celebrate. Barely any food to speak of. And Mama so sad. Mama'd a babe that'd died that same year, and Papa'd followed it up to Heaven. Her life was hard and getting harder. Seven kids living, four under the ground, and nobody to help keep us in mutton.
We had one room and a leaky roof, all of us sleeping where we could. No happy memories there. Only found out I was pregnant after we'd all been brought in to the asylum. Doctor told me. I told him well then Praise Jesus, cause I'm the Virgin Mary, and he shook his head. But I wasn't lying. I had never had relations. When they cut the baby out of me, I wasn't supposed to see, but I did. It was strange, and hard, and dead, like a piece of old, chewed-up wood. Don't have any living children.
`
`Patient Record
Name:
Ada Ruth Shell (female, colored, 13 years)
Edward Shell (male, colored, 9 years)
Henry Shell (male, colored, 9 years)
Grace Shell (female, colored, 8 years)
Samuel Shell (male, colored, 5 years)
`
`Admitted: July 19, 8:00
Admittance notes: Five children admitted together. Siblings. Two did not survive incident. Neighbor delivered to Dr. F., reported strange behavior.
Ada Ruth Shell - Will not speak. Crying, but sits quietly. No outward signs of physical injury. 3 months pregnant.
Edward Shell - Restless, pacing. Pupils dilated, vacant gaze. Multiple lacerations on the left arm. Will not speak.
Henry Shell - Restless, in constant motion. Multiple lacerations on the left side of the face. Will not speak.
Grace Shell - Clings to intake nurse. Will not speak but makes shrill noises, as an infant crying. Attempted to suckle though clearly long past the age of weaning. Hair and face caked in blood and possibly feces. Agitated. Refused bath. Given sedative.`
Okay so appearntly she lost an arm trying to take down her mother too
iirc, the bugs that make up the Hive swarm forced thier way insde her and were building a nest inside her before she managed to kill her mother, this was later removed surgically
Sheesh…
Chat this update may be further away than I thought
Ha I thought the song might be teasing it
It's pretty normal for them to announce the name but not annouce the date. If it's anything like previous events, that means it's two weeks away, June 18th. Next week the trailer will drop giving the date.
the judgement of the fool did what??!?
The Pale Judge – A regular judge in Mammon's Gulch turned fallen lawman, he traded his gavel for a gun and a deck of tarot cards. He dishes out sentences on behalf of fate itself, and he's here to deal the final verdict to The Fool.
If he's a Mammon's Gulch judge, why have 1894 on the poster 🤔
also redmartin's a desalle guy lol
guess they just felt forced to continue referencing mammon's gulch
wdym?
Wasn’t that already after he had become a little rogue in theory
The first video teaser where the Judge put a bounty on The Fool has "1894" at the bottom of the poster that Silver Spur holds up.
If it's 1894, what does a Colorado Judge care about a Louisiana crime?
Mammon's Gulch only turned in 1896
good question actually
Can’t wait to never find out
I wonder if they’ll continue with vague allusions to a story or whether it’ll actually be written this time
my expectation is that we get the same as harvest of ghosts/garden of the witch
Cause this time it’s actually semi written though
my hope is that we get an actual narrative on the site or something
I don't think we're going to get anything in the BP or in game again unfortunately
Harvest of Ghosts was vaguely “witches vs welders oooooh spoooky rivalry”
sorry
Wrong event
Garden of the witch
I don’t remember anything even alluding to a story in harvest
Garden of the Witch had the backstory of them being auxiliary support Hunters that got corrupted so that was enough to launch a narrative off of
harvest was set up as an unlikely trio going against pumpkinhead who was weaponizing darksight
Man imagine what a cool narrative there could be if they wanted to go that way. Doc Redmartin narrating in the past what happened to him, the Pale Judge narrating in the present the hunt for the Fool
it's making me scared on the lore :(
O
wow had my hand on the wrong part of the keyboard lol
I'm not convinced there's going to be an event narrative*
I could be wrong but idk
I'll always dare to hope 💪 I think we're getting lore this time
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Judgement Of The Fool 
Judgement of the fool

I hope they bring back Thundershower. 🌧️
Yeah i need it back
A travelling snake oil salesman might have caused quite a lot of disfigurement all over the place
maybe in 94 he got in trouble in mammon's gulch and then it was only in 96 that the judge tracked him all the way down in desalle?
The bounty lists DeSalle specifically, maybe that could be where the poster was printed
If it's just marketing then perhaps 1894 is a typo. Otherwise I'd assume it's narrative
Is it possible the weather conditions will return with different events? The same way they were initially introduced? They seem to be intertwined with the lore of the previous events.
We don’t know when they’ll be back
Obviously, but I was speculating. Those weather conditions originally rolled out with events so it seems more than plausible that’s how they will return. And they were part of the lore of the events themselves so I am just wondering if they will return the same way.
Every big update for the last couple years is paired with an event, so yeah chances are they'll come back in some event or another. Though Fog and Dusk I think came back in between big updates so who knows. Can't seem to find it in the patch notes
they're just gonna rerun tide of shadows
Probably has been said before but it's way to funny to me that the opening lines of let us prey just straight up had the event name lol
"The garden of the witch, the judgement of the fool"
Ikr
I look forward to the next Events: "Footstpes on the Path," and "Someone's Following You"
It makes me wonder if there’s hints for anything else in there tho
Maybe something to keep an eye out for with whatever song they make for this event
I wondered when the name was going to be noticed in the song 👀
I think smalls was right about the werewolf show crossover then because the line "I'm howling at the moon" in make them bleed
I'd honestly kill for some generic monster hunter... uh hunters...
like just a dude in a suit with some wooden stakes in his belt for vampires.
like the witch hunter I don't think has a single bad outfit looking at her concept arts
I feel like the hex breaker hits that monster hunter aesthetic pretty well
he's basically van helsing lol
I like hex
though I will blame his addition for the reason they got the idea for chu ko nu
how so?
I never watched those movies but his character apparently uses a repeating crossbow and people wanted it hard after his addition or took it as a teaser for one coming.
what I'm really saying is I'm just salty we haven't gotten a new pistol family in a long time
honestly I think zhuge liu was probably more to blame for the chu ko nu
Van helsings crossbow was different
they were probaby looking into stuff for the cn audience and saw that
And not hand cranked like that, nor would it have been compatible with explosive bolts
right but I still think the talk of the character and his weapon gave them the idea, I don't really think crytek randomly decided a weapon that was designed in the BC years
supposedly
I would’ve preferred his style of one compared to what we got, or something like the ironside but for the crossbow
They take characters from other ips, why not a crossbow
Plus we could get some more weird guns
Tho we saw how that could’ve gone with posts sawblade launcher
So maybe not
fun world was probably an easier IP to get than a universal studios one
though I've been liking the real 1800s people additions
give me general sickles next it fits all the terrible plays I make
There’s uhhh…the ummm…The Beast Hunter
Got spikes n padding on him
couldn't pay me to use that guy

they wasted that name on him he's just trying to find his poor lost dog
Is it because he’s
his armor is dumb as hell
Nahhhh
I thought the Beast hunter's whole story was him trying to weaponize Hellhounds? He also had nightmares about monsters or something too.
Honestly it never made sense why he fell in with the Demented pact if he was actively trying to tame the results of an incursion and had fears about monsters.
Speaking of Crossovers I have a bunch of ideas for crossovers:
Hunt x Hunger
Hunt x Call of Juarez
Hunt x Undead Nightmare
Hunt x Preist
Hunt x Evil West
Hunt x Hard West
Hunt x Weird West
Hunt x West of Dead
Hunt x Deadlands
Any of which would fit the Tone and aesthetic of Hunt Showdown far more than god damn Ghost Face and Post Malone
he wanted to like. Kill the monsters with hell hounds
and is clearly bad at it
I know a lot of people think his mask makes him look like robocop, but it's actually a real thing called a splatter mask. They were primarily used by tank operators during the first world war. They're basically just a way to protect your eyes from debris and shrapnel getting launched into your face.
I think his mission to tame the hellhounds already as a general act of madness
well for me it's just because all the scars around it
it makes it look... implanted into him
Guess it's respecting the creator of the thing he wants to master
Well, it mainly only guarded your eyes and not your entire face. Some models had these little things of chainmail that dangled from the mask itself to also protect your cheeks, nose and mouth.
I think these two would make excellent inspirations for hunters
The one on the right it’s sorta already in the game
I'm not so sure about the second image. Haven't there been discussions in here before about plate armored hunters not really being a good idea in the game?
I mean, some of the hunters we've got now are a little bit armored especially the recent welder hunters, but I don't think I'd want one wearing an entire plated chest piece like that. It feels out of place for the game.
The first image reminds me of Kid with the poncho but older and not drowned.
If it's just a cuirass it can almost work as an eccentricity, that guy in the pic clearly can rock it, but yeah it doesn't fit quite right with Hunt.
I dare not delve too much into that topic, last time I did it summoned Ghostface 😅
I recall the Viking hunters being criticized a lot because 1. they look more like cosplayers instead of Vikings and 2. Vikings don't really fit the theme of hunt.
I feel like a plated hunter would also receive a similar level of criticism.
Breastplates were used in the Civil War now and then so it's not out of the question, but tonally it's off as it belongs more to Napoleonic era and earlier
The same way you can say yeah sure a guy with tattoos that styles himself as a warrior of old is not out of the question, but cmon it's a viking larper.
I get breastplates were used during the Civil war and first world war periods, but I'm more so critical of the idea of some kind of knightly themed hunter. I'm fine with all the Ned Kelly stuff, but I just wouldn't want a fully plated hunter that looks like a knight or something too fantasy related.
Those Viking hunters already give me fantasy character renaissance fair vibes and I do not like it at all.
The male Viking hunter even has the brand of sacrifice from Berserk on his upper back just below the neck, and although I'm a huge Berserk fan and think the reference is cool it also feels totally out of place in the Hunt setting.
This is the full skin so like it’s just the old breastplate
It’s not like a full knight thing
i mean the vikings we got are closer to modern cosplayers than even the 1890s themed cosplayers theyre trying to be
There's a lot of issues with the hunt vikings. And they are the same issues that most of the modern pseudoviking aesthetic has.
Hollywood vikings
With all the icky connotations and misconceptions
there needs to be a word for vikingaboos
I have one, but that paints with too broad a brush and is unkind to people who are merely enthusiastic and not politically problematic
lmao
I feel like I know what it is but also have no clue at the same time
They’re alluding to the Völkisch Movement I believe.
Can’t even say the words lol
Neo-Pagans who consider themselves to be the inheritors of a certain infamous Mid Century German Nationalist Party responsible for the murder of tens of millions of people in one of the bloodiest global conflicts in human history
Interesting, another video teaser but not the trailer
We get to see the judge tho, I like his coat
Yeah I imagined that to be the case
Not all norse neo pagans fall into that category
The head movements at the start, ye
Obviously not
But they do exists and they certainly make life difficult for everyone.
But the people you see running around with the 3 triangles and winged othalas certainly do
A bigger problem within the Neo-Pagan movement is the appropriation of Central Asian, African, Polynesian, and Native American religious practices.
“A sad man with funny cards wants to seal my fate. He might as well smash my skull with his gavel.” - The Fool
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Especially when drawing from closed ethno-religious groups who genuinely have been persecuted in ways modern Euro-American Neo-Pagans just aren’t
For my personal experience, they also tend to make a big nonsensical mix of all the practices and concepts of these culture, and to focus and exagerate some characteristics of these
I get why it happens: Germanic/Norse Neo-Paganism is a new Religion seeking to establish itself as a distinct religious practice while also trying to reconstruct an ancient religion that’s been extinct for centuries.
And there is an inherent clash between those two goals because Christianity is the dominant religion in Europe and Christianity is by its very nature a very syncretic religion
Not a lot really changed when Germanic and Norse Peoples converted. Certain practices certainly stopped but many were just brought into their new Christian Religion. Temples became Churches; pagan festivals were overlaid on Christian festivals. Like the funny thing about Yule is that Christmas wasn’t so much overlaid on Yule as Yule was overlaid on Christmas. Yule was celebrated in February and at the time Christmas was a very minor religious holiday defined mostly by your land lord/king throwing a big party with lots of booze and meat so you’d be less likely to revolt.
And much of what we know about Germanic Pagan Religions come from Christian Sources and a lot of those stories appear to have already been Christianized.
The monk that wrote down a lot of the Icelandic Norse stories was going off of long gone material as well
Or poorly recorded oral traditions, I can’t quite recall
Like even as a child I noticed there was an odd amount of similarity between the Ragnarok Narrative and the Apocalypse Narrative of the Book of Revelations.
And while that could have its origins in the Proto-Indo European Religious origins of both faiths; I’m very skeptical of that because the Book of Revelations is very much a story of the time it was written.
The one diehard Norse Pagan I know of is uhhh… let’s just say what you’d expect of one
They got a couple Celtic pantheon members that way too, lugh was jesused and Brigid turned into a saint
It was a coded message to Christians living in Asia Minor encouraging them to resits Roman Repression and Assimilation.
Revelations was John tripping balls in cave and writing about nero I think
Basically yeah: using fantastical and apocalyptic language to disguise what is basically a message to Roman Christians to become ungovernable and resist Roman Rule
what’s funny is most religions didn’t tend to be exclusive in the ancient world, it was often the case that people believed in the existence of other pantheon’s gods but that they had no bearing over where they lived
Christianity was this way for a while too
Then the Roman Emperors figured out that maybe having a centralized religion might be useful to their empire and the rest is history.
Fun fact: I’m pretty sure almost none of the surviving Bibles (in Greek at this point in time) up to a certain period ever mentioned who authored their verses or chapters. The language in these original texts doesn’t attribute it to anyone and the writer is anonymous and often refers to events they hadn’t seen with their own eyes
The Catholic Church was basically a creation of the Roman Emperors who figured out that since repression and conversion wasn’t working they should try Rehabilitation and Assimilation.
It’s later editions that attribute them to apostles etc and attribute stories to certain people
That’s basically true of the Entire Bible. Surprise Surprise the answer to how Moses knew the parts of the story he wasn’t there for is “because he didn’t write any of it.”
It’s interesting that there is no original Bible or anything to source from, so you can’t truly know whether what’s down on paper is an edited thing or not
The Bible is a thousand stories by a thousand authors with different perspectives, backgrounds, and intent. We can kind of guess who was written by what by close reading but finding specific authors no chance.
Certainly not the kind of lore discussion I expected to come back to. But very interesting
Yes but specifically the attribution of names to verses etc came about in the early medieval (might be earlier or later)
The Christian Hell is largely a result of translation.
Three different underworlds merged into one because the Latin Vulgate Bible used the same word of Hades, Gahanna, and Tartarous: Infernus.
My favourite result of translation or reinterpretation is that Goliath is initially just a tall man that eventually turns into a giant titan of a human being
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Lol
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Something feels not quite right when you pair a hunt model with a voice and animation lol
Almost looks like an SFM thing sometimes
I figured we were going on public school rules were we can talk about religion in a historical and anthropological context as it relates to the game but even there we kinda got away from the original topic.
It usually devolves into stuff we don't want
So yeah the problem with the Vikings is they’re anachronistic. They look more like what people today imagine vikings looked like and not what people in the 1890s would have looked like
Fair
Das all
I feel like they have to be modeled after the show lmao
Imagine american larpers in 1896 in period accurate larpking garb
And neither is really what Medieval Scandinavians would have likely looked like
Horned helmet larpers would be so funny
God no
It would be
The chick with her mop hair is enough
okay but now it’s both anachronistic to actual Vikings and what people in 1896 thought Vikings looked like based off popular depictions from the period
Man I need to watch the new video but I’m fighting w a dumb computer at work

okay wait I can actually see a skin named Valkyrie or something looking like this
have her be tied to scaramuccia
I feel like both Scandinavians being reverent of their Viking past and/or Americans larping as them is a very new cultural thing anyhow
The image of a hunter in tights and stained dirtied opera costume sprinting through the swamps with a spear just tickles me sideways
Oh totally
like I already can’t imagine scandi larpers in the US in the 50s let alone the 1890s
Actually it wouldn’t be
Now that I think about it
The two would be hella eccentric but not necessarily anachronistic
The Völkisch has its origins in the 19th century.
I wonder how much thought went into their inclusion other than “it’d be cool to have Vikings”
What’s their lore like
if there is much
It’s very dumb
Give me a second to check
They’re brother and sister and they’re larping and they fight over their gun as I recall
But rexli or rai will have the full vision
Yeah that’s basically it
Incredible larp, can’t believe it will go on to influence all post 90s Vikings
truly trend setters
Which to be fair; conceptually a pair of weirdos getting very into pre-christian Norse/Germanic/Celtic religion is not out of place for the time.
Neo-Paganism as it currently exists has its origins in the 19th century.
The Unification of Germany inspired a similar revival in the cultural interest of Ancient Germany as the Italian Unification inspired a revival in the cultural interest or Rome.
It’s more the way they larp, they’re literally characters from the show Vikings
Exactly
The problem is not that Viking larpers are out of place for the 1890s the problem is the style of larp
Also that mostly spawned operas which is where we get the antiquated view of Vikings
which would be much more of a neat/funny thing to see
So yeah the Viking twins could have existed in the 1890s… and probably would have had truly reprehensible politics.
I bet most hunters have reprehensible politics
This revival was inherently tied to German Unification and the desire to create a unified German National Identity and we all know how that ended…
True
I would not care to ask Hardin and Statesman their opinions on Civil Rights
Sorry
Like I feel conflicted on this because as a history minor I believe historical fiction and fiction set in a historical setting has some responsibility to not misrepresent the material conditions of the period; but, I also know not everyone wants to have a discussion on “the unfortunate political realities of the 19th century” when Hunt has at best vaguely alluded to them.
It’s easy for me to get caught up and taken away with my own special interests while forgetting not everyone shares those interests
So you know how you boil a frog...
Hunts kinda got the deadlands thing going on
For better and worse yeah
what 🥺
This kills the frog
unrelated but I did finally get a chance to watch the little trailer and them casting a VA for the judge does give me more hope that they could do something for a story here
I'm still not expecting anything
Agreed
but hopefully
I think maybe a blog post
The same thing that happens to everything else
All 3 “main” hunters had a VA
a voice acted WHAT?!?
Mmm phone autocorrect
👀
They’ve got to have like 3 voice actors total
They had more or are able to hire them when wanted
Probably freelance yeah
For the acted lore entries and trailers
yeah they contract with a casting director to get VAs for these things
I think the guy that did hayali did a post on Reddit or something
Voice acting seems so fun
I'd love to do that some day. Not necessarily as a job, but just for the fun of it.
That teaser trailer was impressive. 
Hey y’all I need to ask something dumb
So rn we have the courruption contained right
I mean...
yeah.. about that
Thanks
my only grip with hunt is they have a black guy in confederate uniform as a tier 2 </3
in the butternut color too so unmistakeable from dirty union
We have a concept of containment
Is the guy old enough to be civil war or is it just a case of surplus?
most of the tier hunters look old enough to at least be alive during the war
it's not like he coulda served in uniform anyway
Ye I remember you talking about that part, I'm just thinking whether they could actually have any connection or if it's just clothing to them
I just don't think it's something they should promote at all without at least giving it context, nobody is gonna really think he just decided to wear the coat of his oppressors because he liked it.
like Jesse is a thief which can put some doubt on his service
this guys a no face, not like he most tier 2s are in the game anymore anyway though
I don't think they're promoting it at all when it seems like you're the only one who's noticed, and most of the time even the people who are looking for it think there's zero confederate stuff anywhere.
Trying to put a lore spin on why that character model exists is just fanwank ultimately
since the war was 30 years prior to the game it would probably be more likely to be surplus
oh yeah it's not gonna rally people or anything, I just think if you're making war looks like this... please make sure you're not treading into bad territory.
and I think that it's not them treading into bad territory but more of this is a game made by europeans
Could be a case of pinterest mislabeling a picture of a civil war uniform as the digital artists are searching reference pics
yeah
it 100% wasn't intentional
I just know CMs have spoken about having history people and I'm tired of these inaccurate things popping up in media
they have history people but also sometimes things just slip through the cracks
esp w a lot of these early tiered hunter designs, that's a lot of stuff at once where they needed to reference american military garb vaguely of the time period but also have all of the hunters look different enough from each other
Do you think that is an example of pandering or just some type of sincere intention for inclusion?
I think they either didn't pay attention to the uniforms they were adding or believe in some lost cause weirdness
and that doesn't make them bad
but I do think the hunter was a mistake and I think they should change his design if they readd that one
OR
Right of course, but accuracy is important.
make him a real hunter and say the coat was a trophy from a killed rebel
I don't think it was pandering or anything
like smalls says it's not even an american company and the civil war isn't in focus of hunt they just didn't know most likely
I'm just salty because they've claimed to have history people working on and they've been passive aggressive before about criticism to it
This idea makes sense and is very plausible.
He could even have a stolen confederate bandana tied around his wrist but maybe that would be visually controversial.
I wonder if we'll see this Judge person decapitate someone using the door of a horse-drawn carriage.
😂
Old enough to have been alive during and old enough to have served in the civil war are very very different. Someone who was old enough to serve in the Civil War would be in their early 50s at youngest in the 1895 at youngest. Occam's razor would indicate that the simplest explanation of these uniforms is that they are of hunters who served more recently in the national guard/armed forces than the civil war
It also just could have been intended to be a khaki uniform
It could also be a war trophy he took to show off that he killed a confederate soldier in combat
Or he may have been an enslave laborer or teamster who was given a uniform sometime during or after the war.
Or hell he could have been one of the like 200 Black Virginians recruited into the Confederate Army in the last week of the civil war that never saw combat
the belt he wears is also more southern styled than northern
wouldn't be cool if we get a field/compound boss that is a group of hunters that is challenging to kill?
Perhaps if they did something about a botched inoculation causing corruption and only gave them world weapons.
AI that can shoot back are real troublesome for games like this cause even if you code it to avoid aiming for the head a stray bullet can still instakill which is just no fun for anyone
Can easily just make their shots deal less damage, like by being incapable of getting the headshot damage multiplier
I was thinking about that as well a few months ago. AI corrupted enemy hunters, but I figured it would be difficult to code them properly.
Question: What is the Lore to Mr. Orwell Chary. Is he dead? Is he alive? Has he been stopped or does he already plan his next move? What happend to him? What happend to the lads that tried to Stop/kill him?
he could potentially come back but right now he got dusted after sofia shot the murmurstone and he's in a little hellscape in the land of the dead getting his ass beat by the moon now
Local man fights moon
oh pog
it'd be nice if they went back and did this for the hellborn but his lore probably got put into scorched earth
actual written book of monsters lore holy
lynch moment
In the most recent teaser, wasn't this one of the breakables during Traitor's moon? What's it doing in Desalle?
damn I'm really here for this monster entry
LORE IS BACK BABY
Yo that lore is messed up lel.
I hope they write new weapon lore
||Local hunter sews newbie into bear fur, newbie turns into undead bear, only 1 head but a guy inside||
The image itself also seems to show a new Sparks Sniper. Might be from the Ghost of Blanchett Graves DLC by the style of it
what's the full image?
oh pog yeah
Oh right there's also an image on the lore
also prob the fool's hands
New skin for the sparks + the fool? (His hand)
Sparks looks to be in a similar style to the ghostface stuff and uppercut from last event
Deep in the cursed swamps of Hunt: Showdown 1896, a new horror emerges. Twisted by cruelty and forged through suffering, the Brute is no ordinary beast. Its flesh, once dead, was stitched and scarred into motion by a veteran Hunter's twisted experiment, one born not of science, but of torment. What began as a boy’s desperate plea for mentorshi...
Almost as fast as Crytek
Oh shit, the stillwater doll easter eggs have lore now
Who is the hunter shooting at the Brute?
Monroe
I thought it was him. His knife is cool. 🔪
🤔 Now that's some odd lore. This is the first time we get a direct description of the Sculptor taking action
It also puts further creedence on the theories that Pelican Island Prison was either the source of the Louisiana corruption, or perhaps at least the source of DeSalle's spreading. Wanton cruelty seems to be what allows the Sculptor in
Yes. I was just about to say that
I think this is one the most interesting entries we've had in a long time
We don't have a lot to go by in terms of the Sculptor being active in its corruption of beings or matter, and I think this ties so well into the presumptions we have made over the years
OH SHIT LORE
I'm late
But HELL YEAH PEEPS WERE SO BACK
I was wondering if mountain man was the guy until he sewed the dude into the skin
This was a great story, as usual. 👏🏼
I still don’t understand the lore of hunt, is the Sculptor a necromancer?
HALLELUJAH
Sculptor is an eldritch entity
More of an eldritch horror. It doesn't have a physical form that anyone really knows of, it's more like an intelligent force that can only work within corrupted areas. Like if magnetism had a will.
The Sculptor takes the souls of those who die, get corrupted, or otherwise interest it, and either reshapes it into something of its liking (Like the Spider and Brute) or just copies its twisted form and remakes it over and over.
Trans dimensional entity from beyond the lands of the dead
Another interesting thing to note from that story - the Inoculation isn't worth much when you're touched directly by the Sculptor. It might prevent the infection or deterioration but if the Sculptor wants to, it can just take you.
The Modern Researcher also makes a good point on what attracts the Sculptor. It's not just cruelty, it's creation. The Butcher, the Hellborn, Jabez's experiments with Ego-Dissolution, Scrapbeak, they're all sculpting things already. So even the nastiest people in the Bayou like Glanton and Salter wouldn't be able to catch its attention as they just mutilate and destroy.
THE LORE LIVES
So what is dark sight? What are the powers hunters have in lore ?
The tides are changing in our favour
does the sculptor celebrate pride month
Dark Sight is a power gained from the Inoculation, which itself is part science, part ritual magic. Every Hunter is required to take it if they want to survive traveling in the Incursion.
The old inoculation was made from plants including Datura, which was historically used to induce occult visions. The new inoculation is made from the essence of captured eldritch entities that are drawn in using human sacrifice and bound in ropes made of human skin. There might be a third inoculation on the horizon though, we'll see.
Dark Sight lets Hunters see more, connect with the rends in the world, and training with it seems to allow them to manipulate life force and for whatever reason teleport and use telekinesis (This never shows up in lore so maybe it's just gameplay)
In lore, Dark Sight leads Hunters to rifts (clues) and breaking open those clues let them peer through the hole and see through the eyes of the Target they're hunting.
The infected zombies are what? People without inoculation caught up in the incursion?
Yeah, that's why you see prisoner grunts at prisons, miner grunts in the mines, etc. There are some that are unique individuals that the sculptor copies as well, such as the Doctor Grunt.
@real dove not too sad that Ursa design is now only for memories ? Since the Brute doesn't have 2 heads...
The real sad part is we don't have a name for the Brute
The whiteshirt inside didn't get identified 😔
Glad the bear looks normal now
Rip unidentified white shirt
who is Grahm? 
Burned man?
my first thought too lmfao
Oh wait
The guy in the story is Grahm 🤷♂️
He doesn't exist in previous lore
ahh okay
Could be wrong
Maybe he'll show up somewhere later, in another story or as a skin
Nvm his name is Grid or Gird or something I think
Priest is Ibrahim or something yeah
Ishim Gird
Ah yeah so nvm
Oh yeh
Maybe it is Joshua then lol
This still gives us some confusing notes, especially about desalle. If someone was cutting up hunters and feeding them to people in the saloon it couldn’t have been fully corrupted like we see in game, at least at that point
Would be busted
Sheeesh
1911 hollow points are very popular
Time for dual wielding 1911s , dante style
Lmao
The tryhards will quake in fear until they adopt it into their ever present meta
Lol
Dante jumpscare
Interview with Fenella Cleve indicates it was a slow, quiet descent, and multiple things seem to coincide with the idea that it was "corrupted" before it became an Incursion. the Pelican Island Prison experiments had been going on since 1894, Lewis DeSalle was kidnapping and killing men, someone shot the Fiddler, etc.
Nah nero would use the Haymaker
I’m just stuck on the redneck lore, which I guess is a bit retconned, but Desalle was always “long corrupted”
Going back to the new bear look I'm really happy they've de-circused it. It would've looked really weird and out of place with all the circus junk still hanging from it.
You can actually see more of the bear itself which is cool. There's details I notice that I didn't notice during the circus event.
It might be that William Moses was only discovered once it was long corrupted. He is in the ass end of the area after all, away from the city.
Like, it looks like it has even more extra arms than I thought.
It's not the same bear
Lore wise
Asset wise probably
That would make sense
Hm
That's what is was I thought I was crazy
Just some fun, yeah
private dance show, obviously xD
A 6* veteran Rat playing with his food
Poor whiteshirt didn't realize you can't trust people that trap supply points
What's interesting to me is that Grahm seems to be quiet the prolific hunter. Was there from the beginning and worked with a couple other famous hunters
That’s what vigilant is for
Of course, he might be bullshitting. Salter was a recluse (unless he meant Charlie Salter) and Hannah Kinney disguised herself to all but a few close friends until her death. Lynch was pretty infamous so that one seems possible. That he name drops them all shows he's a veteran at least.
He knew about lynch making skin ropes
I did overlook that. While he doesn't directly attribute it to Lynch, it's still an outside source confirming the details of one of Hayden Collins' stories.
might be. let's hope we get even more lore
Okay I’ve got a lot to say but it will all have to wait until I get home
The M1911 is one of the best handguns in the world.
this journal is so fucking goosd
researcher is such a G
My beloved
Gameplay and story segregation. DeSalle died a slow lingering death; as late as 1895 it was still inhabited by a slowly dwindling civilian population.
I miss that saloon in DeSalle.
DeSalle and Mammon's Gulch both still have a small dwindling civilian population just based on what we've seen; it's just they don't appear in game because they don't need to.
If you want a Narrative Explanation; whatever civilian population exists in dead zones actively hides from hunters because they're very justafiably affraid they'll be murdered if found.
And logically we know there must be some kind of civilian population because we know there are people who are affiliated with but not actual members of the AHA serving as guides to lead people into and out of the deadzones. Avis Wyndham Jr was one such individual.
I hope there is a spoken word story with the next event. Those were always really cool.
We won't know for a couple weeks; maybe there will maybe there won't.
Traditionally the voice acting in event trailers has been taken from the narration of the event storyline; but that hasn't been the case in a while now.
To return to the Brute however, I have a lot of thoughts to share.
Please do, the lore is one of the best parts of the game to me.
The brute was initially speculated to be the offspring of Ursus Mortis; but these entries make me think it was the other way around. Ursus Mortis had been a pair of orphaned bear cubs taken in by the murder Circus. I think the Mother Bear killed by "Graham" and the Whiteshirt was the mother of those orphaned cubs.
As for this "Graham" figure; I am at a bit of a loss. The Journal paints a vivid picture of a seasoned veteran hunter with a sadistic streak a mile long. He's been around long enough to have known of Hannah Kinnley, The Salter Brothers, and Lynch; was at one point a fur trapper in Colorado; and wears a bear skin coat with a cowl made from it's skull.
There is off the top of my head one figure who meets the description of all of these descriptions: Thomas Bridger.
However I have my doubts that "Grham" is a pseudonym for Thomas Bridger
For starters Bridger doesn't wear a bearskin coat he wears a Bearskin cloak.
And additionally Graham's sadisim is out of character for Thomas Bridger.
Bridger is missing the sadistic streak part, unless he's very very good at acting. The REDACTED Letters paint him as frightened when he was helping sadists, and the Trappers view him as a surrogate father, a helpful person
It would be quite a twist that he's got some secret hobbies though
As I said Graham's personality seems at odds with how Thomas Bridger has previously been characterized... but another possibility exists...
The Flavor text for the legendary Shotgun Eulogy was named in honor of one of Thomas' lovers/rivals-an enemy with benefits if you will-whose name has never been revealed from a life he has long since left behind.
We were never given a name for this-eventually-deceased lover; but part of me wonders if Graham may have been this man.
I will admit the evidence is tenuous: they're both trappers who have been to Colorado, wear bearskin clothes, and they're both old enough to be Veternas of the Hunt
And if my boyfriend stitched some dumb kid into a bearskin for shits and giggles creating some horific monster I too would call him Bastard.
My final theory is that Graham maybe a pseudonym for another infamous veteran with a massive sadistic streak; who was an associate of Lynch: and that's Danie Glanton.
This theory doesn't work out in a few ways. Milo and Morggi seem to be brown bears by their circus artwork, and are depicted as full grown. All the events Grahm mentions happen in 1894-95, so cubs orphaned during the Hunt couldn't have grown to be circus bears soon enough. Even if they were meant to be black bears, it takes 5-8 years for them to reach full size.
Hunters were known to opperate under false names and identities; Timothy Stone made a career out of selling the papers and identities of dead hunters to living hunters so they could travel freely.
Milo and Morggi could have been yearlings, and despite the name Black bears can come in a variety of colors including brown
I'll see if I can find a picture of Urusus Mortis walking on all fours: that should be able to help us determine whether They're a Blackbear or Grizzly.
Blackbears and Grizzlies have a different profile: black bears have a higher hind quarters than grizzlies and a prominent shoulder hump. As far as I can tell Ursa Mortis doesn't seem to have a shoulder hump but it's hard to tell in the videos I've found of people fighitng it
Claw shape doesn't help either cause a corrupted bear can have long ass spooky claws without it meaning much, hard to be sure especially when the Brute reuses assets.
A possible explanation is that Ursa Mortis didn't really have a specific species outside of "Demon Bear" when being created. And of course this is a European Game Studio so this could be another "Europeans are not especially familiar with American ecosystems and geography" along with the Mountains of Southern Louisiana
So far Art Station has turned up nothing for Ursa Mortis but I'll keep digging
some nat geo stuff going on here
Pawprint is the same, seems more black bear on both but idk
Snout wise The Brute and the Right head of the Ursa Mortis appear to have a straight profile more like a black bear's but the left head looks more dished like a grizzly bear.
Definitely seems like they're the species Ursus daemonium
Hell maybe Ursa Mortis is a hybrid: though that would only raise further questions given the historic range of the American Brown Bear
The pointed ears of the poster seem to resemble that of a black bear but if Im being honest the stance of both bears resemble more of a grizzly.
Perhaps this is a "Mrs. Margaret's Beast Taming Show" scenario where the circus is deliberately trying to trick the audience into believing the bears they're seeing are grizzlies.
Speaking of which.
If they bring back the Murder Circus I propse they replace Post Malone with "Mrs. Margaret" from RDR2
She fits the tone of Hunt a lot better than Postie did I do declare.
Arthur as a hunter when
lol
In all seriousness I really wish they'ed give us more explicitly queer hunters now that narrative aspects of the game. The Viper and Gar and Iron Bark are the only explicitly trans/nb hunters we have
They could do something with the rookie progression hunters
Ja. If we get more
And Sofia
Those hunters tend to get longer stories
Right Sofia is agender; though that never really gets much of a mention in the game.
Though admittedly neither does Gar’s transness get much attention
And trans people did exist in the period. One of Custer’s soldiers was married to a Mexican-American Transwoman who worked as an Army nurse named Mrs. Nash.
And Albert Cashier was a veteran of the US civil War and a Trans Man
We have multiple trans hunters, not as if they aren't aware
I know I just want more
I think we have to get out of an era and see where this new one goes
Give them time- looking like we might be getting lore back and that's a solid win for now. Who knows what's coming now that things are going in a new direction
I’ve said it before but I would pay good money for an official Hunt Showdown Book/Comic/Graphic novel
Agreed
I would too
Water devils are parasites that’s terrifying
mmmhmmm
Also YOU DID THIS!
what'd I do
You made that joke and now suddenly we're getting lore about a living human being stuffed into a bear suit
You are the reason we got this lore
uhh uhhhhhh
the new event shall contain a nitro express revolver, a maxim gun, and we are adding body armor
Quick now give us next week's loto numbers
I think 6
