lore-discussion

[spiral mica]

On surface he is this miracle cure salesman, but underneath he's doing some pretty grim experimentation.

[brazen root]

Yep, probably something occult

[loud quartz]

posters on the left say june 20th

[real cedar]

That's an ancient poster though

[loud quartz]

well its also in the new teaser 😄

[granite shard]

but they don't have like "june 20th" showing up in the teaser like "june 6th" is lol

[loud quartz]

but both dates are on a thrusday wich does not fit with our calender this year

[spiral mica]

Is the June 6th poster totally new or has that been seen in the game before?

[sinful warren]

So huh, what do we know about Doc Redmartin again?

[granite shard]

I think the june 6th one is new

[real cedar]

It's an old one related to the Lewis DeSalle storyline

[granite shard]

oh is it? bummer

[real cedar]

the three missing posters along with his letters are all dated to June

[spiral mica]

Could mean DeSalle is closer than we think though maybe

[real cedar]

Sometimes a poster is just a poster

[spiral mica]

This is true

[granite shard]

yeah but things are purposefully chosen for teasers

I think there's been a ton of desalle imagery used recently

[spiral mica]

I initially thought that the image with the hellhound poster was actually DeSalle, but realized later on it was Lawson station.

I think DeSalle is still coming soon though, but maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

[real cedar]

It seems likely that it is, but we've yet to be teased about it

[brazen root]

the old redmartin fine remedies poster is a pretty relevant choice tho, so there's intention behind at least some of the posters

[mint wind]

Also that would be extremely problematic for Crytek to be so late for the final map release.

[brazen root]

after the cure-all (panacea?) with side-effects, "argent occulessence", dr. redmartin wanted for disfigurement, and the gulch storyline's mention of "new inoculums", i'm guessing that that's what redmartin has been working on

[real cedar]

It's strange that a judge would join the Hunt. We've heard before that the AHA was very well connected with people like him, as are the Backers, but to take the innoculation and go shoot people seems beneath his station. Unless something pushed him out of his position and now he performs unofficial circuit judge duties for Hunters that somehow don't want to settle things with bullets.

[granite shard]

what if something went wrong w the doc redmartin case

[mint wind]

Or, y’know, he needs to keep things checked. Since whathever exists without his knowledge exists without his consent.

[real cedar]

Absolutely insane wish:
What if storylines come back and half the narrative is the court drama with the Judge, Redmartin, Leroux on the defense, and Hardin or Brewer as the prosecution?

[mint wind]

[granite shard]

brother that would be so fucking sick I want it so bad

[strange bane]

Full send that would be fantastic

[ivory lotus]

i know there is a gun skin with his name on it

[gilded umbra]

I’m hoping for the return of storylines as well. 📚

[spiral mica]

Imagine if one of the devs dms you and links a Google doc and says "Okay, get to work."

[orchid tangle]

I wonder if they're gonna give him a freaky smile like monroe since the smile is what people usually note most about the judge

I'm all for this event with what we're seeing so far

[real cedar]

Hopefully it's just his appearance and maybe some detail or two that are homages to Holden. It always works best when these reference characters grow into something unique to Hunt, like Skinflint and The Phantom did.

[untold thunder]

I didn't know the judge was mentioned before, where does it mention?

[orchid tangle]

their last teaser before this one talks about a guy who can "raise the judges temper"

[untold thunder]

ohh okay so its not like from an item or whatever

[orchid tangle]

and the hunter that's in this teaser is very clearly inspired by the judge from blood meridian

[real cedar]

Though, it does look like he's got eyebrows and eyelashes so not a total recreation

[orchid tangle]

I mean he already looks a bit differently this guy seems like an actual "lawful" judge

meridian judge is just a sadistic egotist

I'm sure this one will be too

but in a different way

[buoyant flax]

He doesn’t look white enough

[orchid tangle]

you can probably thank hunts lighting for that

almost every teaser for this game ever is very dark

and besides it's better if it's not 1 to 1 copy

[untold thunder]

to me he looks quite grey tbh

[orchid tangle]

we'll have to see ingame

I mean even looking at his left hand it looks normal because how the light shines

[acoustic whale]

so what's this new announcement about

[untold thunder]

yeahh but even then it gives me the same kinda vibe that false saint has with his skin i guess? idk though will have to see

[orchid tangle]

probably just an event hunter

but they're telling some kinda story with it bringing in redmartin into it

[acoustic whale]

so it's just skin lore now

gg

[orchid tangle]

yeah after like 3 gameplay teasers in a row lol

[glossy karma]

On YouTube?

[orchid tangle]

teasers we've gotten for whats coming, no videos yet

[glossy karma]

I wish I was better at reading cursive lol

[orchid tangle]

"Worried about the BIRDS and BEASTS bothering you?
There is something for that too" - the image with the hellhound

"???? Notice: Reports of heightened argent occurrence in the dark. Be Wary" - image with the crossbow

"I was never afraid of falling, just of the ground rushing up to meet me xx NOT ANYMORE!!!" - kiteskin one

[glossy karma]

"argent"
Doom crossover? Lol

[rotund ferry]

Hmmmm something coming who's the bald dude is my question is that the judge or lawmaker for hire

[orchid tangle]

definitely judge

[glossy karma]

So hopeful for DeSalle this time

[rotund ferry]

I wouldn't trust a bald judge but lets see doc is up for grabs for horrible crimes, and "occult" is getting worse possible spreading again we left off at the Gulch basically being an inferno that the others couldn't handle, and maddness sets in more

I might be reading too deep but something big is coming and its not gonna be good

[spiral mica]

I wonder if this Judge and Statesman possibly know each other or have connections.

[lofty quarry]

Okay, can anyone really explain what the text on the banner for hunt means if anything? I know it's a unique language to the game, but I haven't gotten a concrete answer.

[orchid tangle]

voynich sometimes means actual stuff but we think it's gibberish in the banner

last time I checked anyway

Rai would know

[lofty quarry]

Okay then I'm putting it to rest for now. I'm just interested in the judge character. Might have a tie to the statesman, but I wonder what he might have to Hardin.

[lofty quarry]

Thank you!

[granite shard]

I doubt he’ll have a tie to the statesman but we’ll see

The statesman is a lot more on the businessman side of things than the law side of things I believe. Like yeah he was lawful pact but he was basically the emissary of the Backers

[orchid tangle]

the judge is probably just a local force

again judging by his leak I'm guessing he's a genuine judge and just kinda based off blood meridian appearance wise
I bet he'll still be cruel but not blood meridian cruel.

[supple smelt]

Lore for this event is cooking

The pale ogre not being judge Holden is pretty crazy

imagine a collab like that

[orchid tangle]

doubt they'd ever do a 1 for 1 of judge

same argument as we can't add confederates because people will be mean with them
since youtubers love to exaggerate judge is seen as like the biggest image of that sorta thing to nerds now

though that reminds me billy story is pretty fucked up right? I'm not imagining that? I swear there was like a hint or something he's done some bad things to people

[supple smelt]

Oh yeah I never considered the ramifications of adding him lmao

[granite shard]

Yeah it’s mentioned that he attempted to assault Lulu

[orchid tangle]

okay that's what I thought

but didn't wanna drop that incase I completely made that up in my head

[supple smelt]

It’s good that it looks like we’re getting character driven events again

ones that aren’t post Malone I mean

[orchid tangle]

we THINK!!!

I'm still nervous

[supple smelt]

true but the redmartin tie in with the list makes it have more lore than the last 4 events combined

[orchid tangle]

yeah

[granite shard]

I’m not gonna fully it until we see it

But I hope

[rotund ferry]

I think they're trying to get martin before lulu does of he assulted her

[granite shard]

?

[rotund ferry]

Kinda sad cause we have union soldier hunters but since it's after the war but I've seen a few grey coats but could just be muddy

[rotund ferry]

Just adding to what you said if they are after him and if lulu survived his attack she might be after him to

[granite shard]

Oh it’s not redmartin that attempted to assault her, Billy story did

[orchid tangle]

we do have one that's def a confederate because they have the brown coats the confeds sometimes used

the issue is it's a black hunter

soooo

whoopsie there

[glossy karma]

Technically possible since there was apparently legislation allowing the enlistment of slaves near the end of the war, but the war ended before "widespread implementation"

At least according to google 🤷‍♂️

[orchid tangle]

less than a month before the war ended

a lot of white men who served from the start didn't even have uniforms

doubt they're giving one to a black man who was realistically would be a slave of another soldier a uniform when theres less than 30 days in the war so they definitely already knew they were fucked

especially since showing them such respect is humanizing them
the entire point of not letting them serve was "this is a war to keep our property, why would we give them freedoms to be side by side in this fight"

[glossy karma]

Touche

Maybe he wears it as a trophy and to disrespect confederates 🤷‍♂️

[rotund ferry]

I remember that yea

[rotund ferry]

Actually there were black confederate soldiers including native american soldiers also history buried that in a way

[orchid tangle]

it was illegal for them to be soldiers until the end of the war when they were just trying shit

[rotund ferry]

It was the last full measure because after the Gettysburg battle all hope was lost for them so it was fight to finish

But back to the discussion of the grey bald guy I still wonder how he ties in to this

[supple smelt]

this event seems like it has the potential to be hype

just off the theme

[real dove]

What theme

[supple smelt]

Judge Holdenesque character that ties into an existing character

if it's a law themed event I'll be happy

if it's wild west occultish stuff I'll be happy

[strange bane]

I’m already hype from the discussion here, been a while since I was this excited for an event

You guys are the goats of the discord, lore channel best channel

[real dove]

gotcha

Mostly was confused since

hunt feel less set to a theme recently

still grungy elderich horror murderfest but less southern gothic voodoo witchcraft

Def interested to see what all is coming

[supple smelt]

you mean the battlepasses?

or events

or hunt in general

[real dove]

events mainly

but in general

[supple smelt]

I think some events have less theme some more

[real dove]

ja

[supple smelt]

circus funnily enough was the most themed out of the last 4

[real dove]

mainly losing the story made it hard to tie everything bnack into the game

imo

we had stuff that just happened

[supple smelt]

last one at least didn't have random things put in with their metal vs bushwookies theme

halloween event had random stuff, scorched earth had random stuff

[real dove]

true, we do be in the era of agnostic

[supple smelt]

honestly giving the skins in the battlepass their own character was an extra reason to buy them sometimes

would just need an ingame lore section with (NEW) next to the battlepass character stuff

[real dove]

i dont mind BP having lore mixed in

but ive already suggested stuff for that

and dont feel like rehashing

since the comm cares not for lore

tis what tis

I have mild hopes we get some kind of story with this

doubtful it will appear in game

but maybe a series of dev blogs

[granite shard]

I just want the voice acting back man

[real dove]

i want it all back

[granite shard]

yeah

[mint wind]

Ngl we should be grateful the Circus didn't have much lore.

[earnest jungle]

Hard disagree

I'm a strong believer that even the worst ideas can be redeemed with proper execution.

[orchid thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/death-seal-seals-fire-hell-gif-648615852757996432

[earnest jungle]

I think a good story could have reddemed the murder circus.

It wouldn't be great but it would have been better

[granite shard]

Disagreed: nothing could distract from post Malone

[earnest jungle]

Nothing could have made Postie's inclusion feel natural, but I think a good story could perhaps have made the event better inspite of his presence.

[gilded umbra]

I’m still trying to wrap my mind around that and understand it. It was messing with the immersion for me.

I think his character would have been better if it had a different name.

[granite shard]

Yeah

Like a better story couldn’t have saved the event being about literal post Malone

Better have as little as possible and move on from it

Unlike what they did and we now have like five characters referencing post Malone

[gilded umbra]

If the Post Malone hunter was named The Musician it would’ve fit in the lore better; it still would have been him but it would at least have been similar to the other hunters based on real people.

[granite shard]

Or just the ringmaster

[orchid tangle]

I believe that

I do not believe crytek would've done it right

[mint wind]

Sadly the sole mention of the name PM ends up being enough to taint everything it gets associated with.

[noble token]

Next Michael Jackson plz

[sinful warren]

They seem to be cooking with the lore(??)

[noble scarab]

https://bsky.app/profile/huntshowdown.bsky.social/post/3lprlrpsjpy2e

Hunt: Showdown (@huntshowdown.bsky.social)

“I look the way I feel now, and I feel like makin’ trouble. Maybe I owe the Judge my thanks.” - D̵o̵c̵ ̵R̵e̵d̵m̵a̵r̵t̵i̵n̵ The Fool

Bluesky · May 22, 2025, 5:01 PM

Redmartin has a strike through when the formatting works

[granite shard]

incheresting

god please let there be a story and this isn't just marketing

[noble scarab]

Wonder if that’s a call back to the song from last event

Something something “judgment of the fool”

[granite shard]

maybe the first teaser?

wild for them to have teased it so far ahead

[real cedar]

You called it. The Judgement of the Fool

[granite shard]

honestly I think it was them posting the lyric video

it just had it on my mind

[earnest jungle]

Holy shit you're right

[granite shard]

monkey pattern recognition brain go brr

[earnest jungle]

I'm with you too on I hope we get an actual story instead of just more vibes

[granite shard]

Is the fool a blood meridian ref do you think?

[noble scarab]

Interesting note he’s got Monroe’s knife

[granite shard]

I still know very little abt the book lol

[earnest jungle]

Yeah it is

[noble scarab]

Likely just asset reuse

[earnest jungle]

The judge has a character called the Idiot whom he keeps around as a pet

he's a severly developmentally disabled individual whose been treated like a animal his entire life; to the point that when a group of women show him kindness his immediate instinct was to walk into a river to drown himself.

The Fool is alos the name of a tarot card

Which could be a reference to the protagonist of the Book The Kid/The Man

Whom at the end of the story Judge Holden does something horrific too in an outhouse.

(though depending on how you read the book the judge might not be real and instead what happens in the outhouse is The Man giving into his inner depravity and assaulting a young child)

Given the context I suspect The Fool in this context is meant to be an allusion to The Kid.

Backing up this interpretation is that among the crimes Doc Red Martin is being charged with are Fraud and Imitation

At the end of the book - before whatever happens to The Man in the outhouse - The Judge confronts The Man and accuses him of being a fraud and embracing a false dance by choosing to reject the depravity he half-heartedly embraced when he joined Captain White's doomed Filibuster expedition; and again when he joined the Glanton Gang's scalphunting opperation.

With all of that said: I don't want to get my hopes up narrative wise; but all of this does make me opptomistic that we might get some narrative elements with this update. Maybe a blog post or two; or hell a narrative animation.

On a related note if we are getting a Blood Merridian themed event I hope this will serve as an opportunity to give some of the Native American legendary hunters some love

Judge Holden and John Joel Glanton were real people whose real crimes and attrocities served as the basis for Blood Merridian and the victims of those attrocities were largely Native Americans and Mexican Civilians.

[mint wind]

To be fair, some Natives aren't much better in the book... plus the reference to BM might stop at the figure of the Judge.

[granite shard]

God I just hope there’s a narrative man

These are such great teasers and have so much potential

[earnest jungle]

It's also funny because this event is going to come out right around the time the hold I placed on my library's coppy of blood meridian will come up

[lofty quarry]

Just made a connection. The last Port Sulphur Band band song explicitly mentions a Fool. Looking it up, it seems that Doc Redmartin here has been rebirthed in some way from his torture. The song also mentions The Statesman and Butcher, so I wonder if they play a part in this event or in the next one.

I know I am adding more to this sandwich of riddles, but I thought it would be neat to see.

Wait the hanged man is also mentioend in the song

[real cedar]

Tarot is a heavy theme in Let Us Prey, they use it like 5-6 times

[granite shard]

the visuals of tarot were brought up in the trailers and stuff for garden of the witch

maybe that's just going to be the overarching theme of the year?

[real cedar]

All this tarot and still no Lynch

[granite shard]

gotta have a story to have lynch

[lofty quarry]

Idk, the song references a bunch of prominent figures. I wish they would bring in Lynch to tie to tie it all together.

[real cedar]

They've been teasing us with her this whole time, it's like she's in the shadows plotting something

[manic lichen]

Also wild, never thought we would get more lore for the Spirited in this day and age

[real cedar]

We might, we might not. Eddie Davis knew Doc Redmartin but whether he'll show up in this event (beyond being an Event boosted Hunter, that's pretty likely) is unknown

[brazen root]

No way they added the Joker to hunt

and why is he holding pane? 🤔

[real cedar]

Wouldn't be the first time Chum is basically a reference to Death in the Family Joker.
That teaser has some resemblance to Batman (1989) when the Joker gets transformed. I think Pane is just used as a prop here for the reflection, without further meaning.

[south cloud]

does "coins for charon" or paying the ferryman work in hunt lore? based on this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/1kswn78/hunt_concept_coins_for_the_ferryman_aka_tipping/

Seems like it's a greek/latin thing, but "paying for passage for the dead" also shows up in other cultures i think

[real cedar]

It does. Ferryman's Oar is a Berthier 1892 skin that has ancient coins embedded in the stock, with the blurb taking about the ferryman's toll.
In addition, Worm Bite has a tradition similar to coins, but instead he gives a bullet to each corpse he buries, one last shot at his foe, Death.

[south cloud]

"Ferryman's Toll" is a much better name yea wow. I found this coin trinket that is essentially a ferryman coin as well

Ferryman's coin: https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/uk/wiki/Legendaries/Charms?file=Ferryman's_Coin.png

[supple smelt]

HOLY SHIT

This new teaser is kind of crazy

Definitely feel like they might bring back a lil narrative

Definitely feel like Redmartin will have a normal variant and a tortured variant post trial

Feels like that’s what’s being set up

[granite shard]

That’d be cool

[supple smelt]

His face in the reflection definitely has some kind of metal mask on it right? Or is it another grey pale skin situation

[granite shard]

Feels like a doctor dead by daylight situation

[supple smelt]

I can kind of see a separation between a metal bit and skin

Idk if anyone agrees

[granite shard]

I think you’re right

[supple smelt]

Gonna be a gnarly skin

that mask keeps his mouth open

[granite shard]

Neither seem to really be my aesthetic (please… I just want a woman) but hopefully a narrative exists and carries lmao

[supple smelt]

I like winneford

If this one is a skin (I assume so) then it’s not my style

but at least it seems like it fits

I have a feeling Winneford will look more like Mr X than Holden

https://sm.ign.com/t/ign_ap/video/h/how-to-hid/how-to-hide-from-mr-x-resident-evil-2-remake_ut2u.1200.jpg

@granite shard did you enjoy the Annie Oakley skin

[granite shard]

Not particularly honestly

I’m not huge one one-one interpretations of real people as hunters

I like when they put their own spin on things a lot more

Also the lore connection with post Malone makes the skin worse lol

[supple smelt]

There is one???

wtf

[granite shard]

Unfortunately

Basically every skin released in that timeframe through the voodoo card sharp man has a connection to post Malone that sours it

Also this might sound crazy but I think she is too pretty

Like her and red hood both have like

Generically pretty features whereas most hunt women have more visual interest

[spiral mica]

I just realized that's the knife Monroe made.

[supple smelt]

lol

[spiral mica]

Could this supposed doctor have been involved with all of that?

[supple smelt]

I think they realize it sells more

[spiral mica]

Agreed. They saw how many people bought Bloody red, and decided to do Desert rose in a similar way.

[supple smelt]

I think it’s likely they were made around the same time

[spiral mica]

It certainly could be. They do make a lot of this stuff well in advance.

[supple smelt]

Plus different outsourced studios could mean that certain ones have a different style face

[granite shard]

yeah, I just don't like it tho haha

it's very iphone face

[orchid tangle]

redmartin two days after saying "fat chance" 😔

[supple smelt]

Instagram filter ah

[real cedar]

I'm getting very hopeful for a story, the way they keep using quotes

I bet they're going to do a two-parter skin for Doc Redmartin and The Fool

[orchid tangle]

if they're doing the freak ass smile I hope judge has one too and not just the latter skin doc

[warm lagoon]

is joker confirmed

DC collab?

[real cedar]

We've got bootleg Harley so why not just throw another hack log on the pile

I don't think it'll look that similar tbh, there's probably other media that it's more reminiscent of once we see the full skin

[granite shard]

Honestly my initial read is doctor dbd

[real dove]

To be fair we did get joker

One of the clowns was pretty clearly joker

Green hair red smile etc

[real cedar]

Ye, even the wearing skin as a mask part

[rotund ferry]

Great another clown event

[arctic inlet]

I hope they're adding Judge Holden from Blood Meridian since the posts mentioned "Judge"

[granite shard]

take a look at the teaser from a couple of days ago

[arctic inlet]

Didn't see that, was there something about the Judge?

[granite shard]

Well, the visuals of the hunter are a pretty obvious reference to judge Holden

It’s the second most recent post in #general-announcements

[arctic inlet]

Brotha, thank you!

I'm hella happy about that, this homage is long waited

Yeah, I see now!

[granite shard]

🫡

[arctic inlet]

I hope they'll make him smile all the time

[jolly finch]

I just can't get away from him can I

[granite shard]

Herman Carter is here with you forever

[jolly finch]

I nono want tier 3 shock

[spiral mica]

Gives me Tower vibes from Shadow of Mordor.

[brazen root]

Peak game

[orchid tangle]

looking at it at first I was a bit worried cuz I thought I'd rather want the judge guy to have a freaky smile if anyone but I need to cool it all they've done is reference the book it's not like this is anything official I'm happy to get any freaky body horror hunter.

still love ochenkovs widow

[strange bane]

Honestly excited to see doc red , even if he’s just in one piece

[supple smelt]

I heard someone say they couldn’t play it cause the graphics looked old and I was baffled

[supple smelt]

Close enough

[granite shard]

Thank god it’s a reference over a collab

Makes it infinitely better

[orchid tangle]

Adding one for one crossover characters from blood would definitely be controversial

I'm just hoping that doc skin will be body horror and not a mask

It looks like his lips are cut off but equally could just be metal plate ending since it's so even

[acoustic whale]

when will we get real lore

[real cedar]

Maybe soon, maybe never.
I'm still waiting on owned Hunters getting viewable lore back. It's been nearly a year and the Blackwell Trio still have no text lore about em

[orchid tangle]

I'm getting pretty confident this event will have lore

but just like redmartin I am probably a fool

[loud steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-that's-the-neat-part-you-don't-gif-14180388429135427516

[acoustic whale]

i still have hope that it won't just be character lore

[stable crest]

does anyone have a resource for matching legendary skins to hunters?

[topaz mirage]

Does anyone wish to have private lore discussion with me?

[lone maple]

what you mean

if i say yes do i lose a kidney

[lucid anvil]

Most likely

[noble scarab]

Might get probed

[gilded umbra]

[upbeat kiln]

can anyone sign up for that?

[supple smelt]

I think they do read feedback about the lore being a fun part of the event and want to try to push things in positive directions where there are complaints they can act on

so I’m hopeful

Even though a lot of what comes at them comes from a super negative non constructive place they seem to not care and fix things the right way

at least in the last few updates since the circus

[lofty quarry]

Me waiting for another teaser so I can guess what juicy lore they are making

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[spiral mica]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-crystal-skull-kingdom-of-the-crystal-skull-alien-judging-gif-11101288747902634256

[potent saffron]

[supple smelt]

has anyone written hunt fan fiction? I feel like that’d be a fun project for characters that were abandoned without meaty lore

[granite shard]

I’ve started a couple of things but never got around to finishing them

[noble scarab]

Hazmat made a whole fan lore series

[gilded umbra]

https://youtube.com/shorts/7RmbDo3Ep1s?si=Zlmv9VBLJEv0cLJH

[granite shard]

Wow my beloved wife

[mint wind]

So he has a hat too ?

[earnest jungle]

I have

[supple smelt]

Wait what is this?

oh

I’m blind

[granite shard]

I just like silver spur a lot

[supple smelt]

me too!

2nd fav skin

Although idk why I didn’t recognize him

in the short

The Pale Judge is about as close as you get to Holden without getting sued lmao

[real cedar]

Also, notice where that scene is set?

[granite shard]

I’m gonna be real 95% of my focus went towards looking at my wife and the rest went to reading the text

But yeah DeSalle moment

[real cedar]

oh shit

We're going back in time for this one

[noble scarab]

No crytek just can’t keep a date consistent

2 events from now they’ll say it happened after Colorado

[real cedar]

I mean, they did solve the Huff time knot so I think they're on top of things

Putting the poster so front and center with that date is definitely intentional, we just don't know exactly why yet

Either that video is set in the past and the feud between the Fool and Judge has been longstanding, or the whole story is set in that time

[noble scarab]

I’m mostly joking but the timeline is still kinda weird

[noble scarab]

“Unwarranted mirth”

[real cedar]

He's just a silly guy :3

[earnest jungle]

“Reneging on a Promise, Fomenting Unrest, Hunting without a License, unwarranted mirth, and multiple counts of murder.”

[real cedar]

I wonder if they'll put that poster up in the world during the event, would be cool to see

[granite shard]

God forbid a man have a bit of whimsy

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/society-gif-21121521

[real cedar]

These teasers are a LOT more narrative-based than the vibes of the last three events. I'm getting more and more hopeful for a story of some kind

[brazen root]

Hunting or hunting hunting? 🧐

The latter would imply hunter activities are known to and subject to the law, do we know anything about that?

[real cedar]

He's a doctor of some kind, what if he made his own inoculation and that's how some of these weirder types have been joining the Hunt outside the AHA's control + kept supplying after their downfall? Being the sole proprietor of the ability to go into incursions and sell bounties meant they set the rules.

[real cedar]

The AHA is implied to have powerful allies to a degree, Bad As They Seem mentions "Lynch opened up a world of connections. Superintendents, government men, captains—men who the day before wouldn't have given them the time of day."

[brazen root]

Yeah that's what I've been speculating, no idea if he'll turn out to be a supplier for any hunters we know of, but maybe

[supple smelt]

yep, I feel the same

also why does the grinning fool remind me of disco elysium LMAO

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/discoelysium_gamepedia_en/images/8/83/Portrait_you.png/revision/latest?cb=20191028100206

[brazen root]

dubois as a hunter would go hard

[granite shard]

The fool unlocked the expression

[supple smelt]

I definitely think he’ll look gruesome with what I assume is a metal plate attached to his face holding his mouth open

[supple smelt]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/discoelysium_gamepedia_en/images/7/7b/Portrait_you_fash_nobeard.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20211228170621

the fool before I guess

[granite shard]

Lmao

[supple smelt]

I’m doubting my theory of there being multiple skins now

I think it might just be the one

for Redmartin/The Fool

[granite shard]

I feel like two skins for the event is low for the way they’ve been doing BPs lately

[supple smelt]

yeah

[granite shard]

Bc rn we really only know abt the judge and fool

[supple smelt]

But they usually throw in random skins as well

[granite shard]

I think we might have pre foolishness redmartin and post foolishness

[supple smelt]

Also we haven’t even scratched the surface in terms of reveals yet most likely

[granite shard]

Yeah true

[real cedar]

They teased a transformation with the mirror shot and the text quotes treat Redmartin and The Fool as if they're different, so I think it's definitely two skins

[supple smelt]

Oh wait what if the fool was 3 skins considering that looks like a second trial

Oh wait he’s just wanted

We have a pretty good idea of what he’ll look like although they also did a more tame outfit for post Malone that never showed up

[brazen root]

But yea, I'm just stuck on the possible implications of hunting possibly mentioned as an activity governed by the law. Are these wanted posters for the public? Just for those in the know? Is he wanted by the government or just whichever hunting "authorities" currently exist? If the government, do they use "hunting" as a dogwhistle, seeming innocent to those out of the loop but those in the know will get it? Why even mention hunting at all and risk blowing the secrecy when he's already wanted for so much more?

Maybe he just shot a deer he wasn't supposed to shoot, idk

[supple smelt]

it’s not the government it’s the judge

I don’t think he operates under anyone

He’s more just a character that dispatches his own judgement Im assuming

[brazen root]

Hmmm yeah that seems true

Bssed on the poster

So he's doing a lynching

[real cedar]

Going by the first poster, it seems more official than a lynching

It's in public, presided by a seemingly heard of judge

[brazen root]

See that's interesting

Doc redmartin's trial

Then a wanted poster for the fool

[real cedar]

That it goes from Judge Winneford vs Doc Redmartin to the Pale Judge vs the Fool makes me think the second one is Hunters only

[brazen root]

Did it go off the records after redmartin activated silly mode?

Something like a failed trial caused winneford to go vigilante?

[real cedar]

Reneging on a promise is likely the important bit

I think the trial succeeded,

Redmartin got disfigured, went silly mode, then the Judge went back for round 2

The Fool blames/thanks the judge for how he looks, so I figure that happened post-trial

[brazen root]

Maybe redmartin was ordered by the courts to never mess with inoculums again but injected himself with his side effect prone experimental inoculum cure-all anyways, breaking the promise, and went silly mode

[supple smelt]

hmmm. I have the feeling the Pale Judge turned him into the fool during the first trial and didn’t undergo any transformation himself. Judge Winneford is his actual name and the Pale Judge is just the nickname

just to make it abundantly clear it’s a blood meridian reference

[brazen root]

Hah

[real cedar]

Yeah, he's looking plenty pale in the image we see of him

[brazen root]

Was the court ordered punishment that he be subjected to his own snake oil inoculum or something?

[real cedar]

Though it would be in character for Crytek to put out four skins, two Judge two Redmartin

[brazen root]

Disfiguring the doc, just like he had done to his victims before the trial?

[supple smelt]

The Pale Judge being his nickname makes it seem far less official, plus everyone we see there are hunters (even though they’d never make new civilian characters)

I think they bolted a metal mask to his face to keep him smiling, I have a feeling he also made some kind of agreement with the judge

Although the metal mask may be self inflicted who knows

[brazen root]

I'm kinda curious about the caption too

Assuming the town they're referring to is desalle, did desalle have inhabitants in 1894? Had the corruption reached it by then?

[real cedar]

I'll check to be sure but I believe one text makes mention of DeSalle getting corrupted in the summer of 1895

[brazen root]

Hm interesting

[real cedar]

Hmm nope, no distinct dates that I'm seeing in the one I thought had mentioned it

[lucid anvil]

Isn’t the doc a bartender? It’s been a while since I read his bio… did he used to be a doctor before the bartending?

[real cedar]

Interview with Fenella Cleve just talks about the slow descent of the town and her dad dying in February of some unspecified year

[real cedar]

The bartender is The Spirited, who took Doc Redmartin's gun after he couldn't pay a tab

[brazen root]

Trying to think of why the fool would say the town will be laughing at them

Who will be laughing, the inhabitants of desalle, seemingly protective of the fool or otherwise unwelcoming of hunters? The infected monsters of desalle? The metaphorical town itself?

[real cedar]

Clearly he put Joker Toxin in the well

[brazen root]

An entire town in silly mode?

[supple smelt]

Redmartin is mostly mentioned in his weapon right? I’m unsure if he’s been name dropped or spoken about in some events or lore pieces

[real cedar]

Before the weapon, he was just a poster in Lawson & DeSalle, on the notice board with a bunch of other papers

[lucid anvil]

Ohhh! Thats right, I got the two mixed up… I always associated the gun and the guy, so my mind just sorta… mushed them together, lol

[supple smelt]

lemme try to get a better pic

[brazen root]

If after the trial business went down, the newly disfigured fool escaped to the bayou/desalle and silly moded an entire town into a joker cult with his disfiguring, side-effect prone, seemingly occult cure-all joker juice, could that somehow be how the corruption got drawn to desalle?

[real cedar]

I really, really hope not.

[supple smelt]

Very obvious he’s a snake oil salesman based off his gun aesthetic

maybe did some unethical experiments based off the teasers

[real cedar]

DeSalle is described as falling into quiet and ignoring the problem as the corruption began to take root

[lucid anvil]

And the description, if I remember it right. I remember getting the sense he’s a bit of a sleazy character

I probably dont remember it right though, lol

[brazen root]

Yeah I'm thoroughly convinced that the mentions of kidnappings, disfigurement, a universal cure with side effects, and the snake oil means this dude has been cooking up something evil and experimenting on innocents and that's what the judge is after him for.

It used to think the snake oil juice might be inoculum-related, but this whole thing taking place in 1894 makes that seem less likely to me

[supple smelt]

The infamous Doc Redmartin joked he was not so different from a barkeeper, but while he cared for the body, Eddie Davies tended to the soul. Pretty words were meaningless when he couldn't afford his tab, and Eddie went home with a new Winfield M1873

[brazen root]

The gulch storyline is what really introduced the notion of alternative inoculums, so I was hoping this would have something to do with that, but alas

[real cedar]

Right, it wasn't the DeSalle being corrupted in Summer 1895, it was Fenella Cleve returning to it that had to have happened then because Leander Coetzee was no longer doing field work by then, and he had been described in the field after the events of June 26th when Victor Caldwell shot up Jackson Asylum.

[supple smelt]

considering the judge is based off Holden I have a feeling he is also sinister in his own right

[brazen root]

Who isn't sinister in this universe

Lmao

[lucid anvil]

I was correct, I did not remember it correctly

[supple smelt]

hmm

good question

lore heads?

[real cedar]

Sheriff Hardin 🙂

[supple smelt]

There you go

I think some of the characters with less story also tend to not be sinister

Like the concubine is hardly sinister afaik

[brazen root]

Nah hardin is practically a cult member with how religiously he follows some unspecified notion of natural law

[lucid anvil]

I don’t know chief, the orphan murder seems a little sinister to me, lol

[supple smelt]

the orphan reached

[real dove]

Holden is a any measure to get the job done/increase his power

[lucid anvil]

XD

[supple smelt]

for his spoon albeit but none the less

[real cedar]

Felis unironically is not very sinister at all, there's plenty of hunters that can come into conflict just by their nature without having sinister parts to them

[real dove]

Vs sinister

[brazen root]

Felis just wants to climb trees and eat rabbits in peace

[real cedar]

Hardin is definitely sinister to a degree though, that bit with framing Gareth Sherringham as a serial killer fits

[real dove]

Sinister I think of like, slipping through the shadows

Fair

[supple smelt]

What’s the lore behind silver spur actually? I always figured he was a gravedigger and I just remember his description being a vague bundle of paragraphs with typos

or bad English rather

[real cedar]

He's a bounty hunter that likes quiet so much he always takes his bounties dead rather than alive just to avoid the hassle. Then he caught tuberculosis, nearly died when a coughing fit gave him away, and had visions of Mammon's Gulch. He followed em til he discovered The Hunt

[supple smelt]

Oh he’s a bounty hunter yeah

[earnest jungle]

In this context Hunting is most likely a euphemism.

The organization that organizes hunters is known as the American Hunter's Association and as far as the public are concerned the AHA is just an ordinary Hunting Lodge.

[brazen root]

I've always wondered which philosophers of natural law inspire Hardin's position on the matter the most, because he's clearly not operating within the laws of any particular jurisdiction

Is he more of a lockean or hobbesian? Law from rights, or rights from law kind of guy?

Maybe he's a catholic

[earnest jungle]

I doubt Hardin’s particularly well read. His philosophy is the philosophy of all cops: pure will to power.

[supple smelt]

I think Hardin abides by whatever he needs lol

probably more of a feeling he has as opposed to a dedicated philosophical ideal

[brazen root]

Even the most power hungry narcissists like to justify their actions with some kind of political or moral philosophy

[real cedar]

He considers Order to be the ultimate goal more than Law. Like if a Sheriff of New Orleans turns out to be a serial killer of vagrants and a deputy kills the sheriff, he frames the guy for those vagrant murders just to keep order in New Orleans, covering up the problem.

[earnest jungle]

And his moral philosophy is the moral philosophy of all cops: he is an agent of the state charged with maintaining law and order.

Of all the classes of society the police are the most conscious of the role they play and where they stand.

[brazen root]

Wow, what a pragmatist

[earnest jungle]

Which is the philosophy of most copy

Most cops if they have an opinion on the law it is that it constrains them too much and makes it harder for them to uphold the social order of society.

There’s an entire media ecosystem that exists primarily to persuade the civilian population that when the cops violate the law to uphold order it is in the greater interest of justice and to protect society as a whole.

[real cedar]

I don't know if 1895 had that though

[earnest jungle]

The cop who frames the guilty party with planted evidence; the cop who bends the rules to acquire the evidence they need to take down the guilty party; the killer cop that takes it upon himself to be judge jury and executioner or the most heinous of offenders. These are all well tread tropes that are at their core propaganda meant to manufacture consent for police violating the rule of law to uphold the social order.

[earnest jungle]

It did though: Hardin’s entire character is that he is a man who believes the ends justify the means. That no matter how many laws he breaks it is for the greater good to maintain order.

[brazen root]

The funny part is in 1895, even the people liked bypassing the law to sort out problems on their own

[earnest jungle]

The Orphan Trains; his Army of Deputized Convicts; his manhunt for the Primals

[real cedar]

I don't think he had a 2025 media ecosystem backing him

[earnest jungle]

Oh that's what you meant

Obviously the modern media ecosystem that exists to justify the police state doesn't exist: I was mostly just using that as an examples for my argument that cops are thugs deputized by the state to maintain the social order.

Hardin is a Dirty Hairy type.

And indeed most cops are whether they actually enact the brutal vigilante style violence of Harry Callaghan or mearly fantasize about being able to.

[supple smelt]

wasn’t expecting a deconstruction of the police’s attitude with the law in my hunt lore section but neat

Most crooked cops do things thinking they are idealized versions of themselves when really they end up being sleazebags who ruin lives for no reason

[earnest jungle]

The Sicilian Mafia was basically a private police organization that realized you could make more money controlling crime than combating it. After Italian Unification the new Italian State proved ineffective at combating banditry in Sicily; the end of the feudal system; the enclosure of the commons; and the introduction of capitalism lead to an increase in property crime as desperate peasants turned to banditry to survive. So land lords and property owners turned to extra legal arbitors of justice and protectors to do the job the state could not. These groups in turn organized themselves into the first Mafia Clans.

The difference between a Cop and a Gangster is often the same difference between a Crime Lord and a Legitmate Buisnessman: the authoriztion of the state.

A Cop is a gangster with a badge; and a gangster is a cop without a badge.

[real cedar]

Ehh not really

The Demented might be fighting the Corruption in a similar way The Lawful are but nobody likes them for everything else they do. That's the authorization of the anarchist state of the bayou.

The Primal had a problem with the Lawful but they ultimately settled it or at least put it on pause long enough to tackle bigger problems

[earnest jungle]

But what actually seperates The Lawful from every other group of Hunters in the Bayou?

What makes one of Hardin's deputized killers any different from all of the other killers in the Bayou?

One has a badge; one doesn't,

The state mantains a theoretical monopoly on the legitimate use of violence: this is why the violence of the cop is justified when the violence of the bandit and gangster is not.

[real cedar]

Except there is no State in the bayou

[earnest jungle]

The Lawful would disagree

The Lawful's entire mission is to bring the Bayou to heal

To restore order

It is the primals who seek to maintain the anarchy of the Bayou

Living only by the laws and the rights of nature.

[real cedar]

Intention is the main difference, for the most part. Many Hunters don't have a higher goal than the next payout, and if anything want the corruption to continue for as long as possible - it's likely higher parts of the AHA agree as well. The Lawful want it wiped out totally, for civilized order - for the State - to return.
The Grounded and the Primal both agree on removing the corruption but don't want to take part in the drama that comes with a burgeoning return to civilization.

Ultimately they're all equal thugs without badges, hoping to get their own kind of badge at the end of all this

Whether it's "I'm in control now" badge or "Do what thou wilt" badge

[earnest jungle]

That's exactly my point in a way.

The difference between cops and gangsters is really just the legitimization of the state.

[real cedar]

I think the difference is whether they can form a state at all. The Demented are incapable of ever being legitimized, and the Primal would only be legitimate to the edge of their wilderness territory. Those that can make others agree in their legitimacy are the true state

[earnest jungle]

Is there really much of a difference between getting gunned down by a cop or a gangbanger to the person getting shot? Is there really much of a difference between grand larcency and asset forefiture to the person getting robbed? Is there much of a difference between a getting your skull cracked in by a gangster for challenging the authority of the crime lord and getting your skull cracked in by challenging the authority of the bosses and the politicans?

Its the exact same violence being applied for the exact same reasons

The Lawful Fight to enact the order of the State
The Demented Fight to enact the order of the Sculptor
The Primals/Grounded/Trappers fight to enact the order of Nature
The Death Pact fight to enact the order of the Lord of the Dead
The Smugglers fight to enact the order of profit and trade
The Infernals fight to maintain the order of the AHA
And The Lunars fight to maintain the Order of the Moon

Everyone is in the end fight to impose a different order upon the Bayou what differentiates them is what those orders are and mean. And the Order of the State is no less brutal and oppressive than the order imposed by bandits and criminals.

[real cedar]

It's quite a bit less brutal, if you asked The Kid

Same with the Lunar Pact, Death Pact, and Primal/Grounded

They're all more respected for their actions while having the same capability for violence

[earnest jungle]

My points have honestly become muddled

[supple smelt]

so who is the most innocent character in hunt? obviously opinion based

Has Lulu done anything questionable?

[real cedar]

Kevin

[supple smelt]

is Kevin the kid that is somehow 6 feet tall and an avatar of a god

[earnest jungle]

Lulu and Sofia are lesbian serial killers torture men as foreplay

[real cedar]

Poor kid got flung into all this bullshit and at least according to the dime novel has been somehow doing his best not to kill people

[earnest jungle]

He’s 14 if you cam believe it

[supple smelt]

they’re just having a lil fun

[earnest jungle]

Another Blood Meridian Reference

[granite shard]

Kevin my beloved son

[supple smelt]

I need to read blood meridian

[granite shard]

I love Lulu and Sofia bc I support women’s wrongs

[supple smelt]

amen

[earnest jungle]

And to be fair every person they’ve tortured absolutely deserved it

[supple smelt]

I mean

awomen

[granite shard]

🫡

[real cedar]

Huge Blood Meridian fan excited to read it for the first time

[supple smelt]

yep

https://tenor.com/view/cat-grumpy-grumpy-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-9227286021433237021

much like Morrowind I fell in love with the ideas and aesthetics much before I did the material itself

insta deleted damn

[earnest jungle]

Really

[real cedar]

I think it was the r word from the flash I saw

[earnest jungle]

I abhor tictok censorship

But here I go

[real cedar]

Or did you reference the bishop's inspiration?

[earnest jungle]

I know better than that

The Bishop was a grapist, Billy was a grapist, The John was beating on a working girl, and that Rancher and his men murdered Sofia’s family

On a side note it annoys me when stuff that is depicted in game is censored so we can’t really talk about it.

Like I get for the sake of moderation why they do it but it still annoys me

[supple smelt]

so who is genuinely the most normal or at least individual with the cleanest conscience

Kevin like you said I guess

but that’s a bit of a cop out

Is the redneck a bad dude?

[earnest jungle]

Kevin is the only one who actually avoids killing people

[supple smelt]

Is his family?

[earnest jungle]

Nobody involved in the Hunt is a good person

[supple smelt]

Don’t you take away that agency when you take him as a hunter lmao

[earnest jungle]

It’s all just degrees of bad

[supple smelt]

There’s good and then there’s neutral

[real cedar]

They're moonshiners and maybe cattle rustlers but otherwise they're pretty regular as far as hunters go

[supple smelt]

Surely at least one of these fucks is neutral evil

[earnest jungle]

Gameplay and story segregation

[supple smelt]

okay so they’re normal people

boom answered

hopefully

Although based off appearance alone the redneck has the potential to be insane lmao

[earnest jungle]

It’s somewhat implied that the Redneck has a natural resistance to the Sculptor’s influence due to having grown up in a dead zone and from being so rock stupid

[real cedar]

Redshirt is also pretty normal. Kinda insane to be taking daredevil bets in a corrupted monster wasteland but he doesn't have anything to cloud his conscience.

[supple smelt]

okay

Stupid = good person

there you go

[earnest jungle]

Again every hunter is a paid killer; they’re all to an extent bad people it’s just a matter of degree

[real cedar]

Every single one of them is a single carriage ride away from not having to shoot monsters and people for money but they're all like nah this is where I want to be

[earnest jungle]

Kevin is the only truly innocent good person because he just wants to stop the killing and isn’t motivated by any selfish desires

[supple smelt]

Ngl I thought AHA was simply throwing people in there to deal with the corruption to keep it under wraps rather than sending everyone in to fight each other but I have a vague idea of lore lol

[brazen root]

Kevin is not beating the dishonored outsider allegations

[supple smelt]

I figured the fighting over bounties was more greed from individuals rather than the AHA condoning it

[real cedar]

You're right, they only kill each other to get a chance at the bounty, or later for political pact reasons

The AHA's is okay with it though so long as the bounties keep flowing so they're kinda giving the killing their blessing

[supple smelt]

So in theory you could head canon your character is simply defending themselves from other bloodthirsty killers who don’t have honor

And when you don’t kill hunters you see and speak over VC you are acting like the AHA intended

[real cedar]

Yup, Leon Ulitsky: Survivor bio talks about this
There was something good and clean about Hunting, Leon Ulitsky decided. Shooting monsters was positively righteous, and as for other hunters, well, they were armed and they had a fighting chance against him. Or so they thought.

[brazen root]

Heh

Almost like the narrative was designed to comport with the gameplay

[supple smelt]

ludonarrative dissonance

[real cedar]

or in this case, ludonarrative harmony

[earnest jungle]

The AHA was never really trying to combat the corruption

Huff and Finch sought to control it so they could profit off of it

[supple smelt]

I see

I have no idea who huff and finch are

[earnest jungle]

Two lore characters

Huff was the Director of the AHA when the outbreak began

[real cedar]

Director and Administrator of the AHA back in 1894/early 1895

[supple smelt]

It makes sense that the only way to combat a zombie invasion in 1890+ would be promising profit

[earnest jungle]

But again the AHA was less concerned with combating the corruption than it was acquiring bounties.

[supple smelt]

Yes I mean the only way the AHA would form is if there were a profit incentive for those creating it

I don’t see a free Mason lodge (I assume that’s kind of what the AHA is) doing it out of the good of their hearts

[earnest jungle]

Even before everything goes to shit there is a tacit understanding that out in the bayou it’s every man for himself and the AHA doesn’t really care how you get a bounty

[real cedar]

Idk if that's the AHA's stance or Huffs. The Modern Researcher seems to be part of the AHA and laments the carelessness on Huffs part that allowed the corruption to fester rather than be eliminated.
It definitely is the motive of the Backers though

[earnest jungle]

Potato/Patato

The point is that under Huff’s leadership the AHA wasn’t concerned with combating the corruption but exploiting it

[real cedar]

and then when it fell to pieces Finch wasn't strong enough to pull the AHA back together

[earnest jungle]

Pretty much

[real cedar]

I do wonder where the narrative is going. The Louisiana AHA is done, the other chapters are quiet - Lynch might've killed the New York AHA or maybe just a splinter of it - and Sheriff Hardin and Marshall Brewer seem to be equal parts investigating and hunting the Backers, not exactly working for them as Hardin initially planned.

[supple smelt]

A New York map would scratch almost every itch I have left for a map in this game

even if it was just the outskirts

Yonkers map 🔥

[real cedar]

If Hardin finds out the whole Backers/AHA system is meant to fuel a stable corruption, will he just salt and burn the whole thing, or finally realize his part in this new "order"?

[orchid tangle]

I like to imagine they just called a timeout on the hunt in this to be like "okay this is going TOO FAR guys"

[earnest jungle]

It was never about combating the corruption it was about acquiring bounties: in Scorched earth it is revealed that the AHA was operating as a middle man for a cabal of powerful and influential politicians and businessmen who wanted to get their hands on occult artifacts.

[brazen root]

We also need a mountainous snow map for hateful eight larping, a desert mesa map for spaghetti western larping, and uuuuh a european forest map because i think that would be really cool

[supple smelt]

yes I completely agree apart from the European one cause that’s already on Mammon’s in terms of dense forests

[earnest jungle]

This is why the AHA still pays out a bounty even when you didn’t kill or banish the boss: because they don’t care and it doesn’t matter.

[supple smelt]

I think Desalle sort of scratches a more western itch

From what I remember

It’s been like 3 years since I played it prolly

Really a snow condition for mammon’s (or even a new map) and a small urban area that’s just a bit more built than Desalle’s would be nice

a full on desert would go hard but I doubt they’ll commit to that

I just hope the next map (if there is one) isn’t generically themed

Lawson is the only one that felt like it didn’t build on any themes and was just Stillwater if it was a little bit higher quality

5 maps would be an upper limit for me based on purely how no life you’d have to be to know all 5 maps and good spots on them and creating a bigger gap for new players

[brazen root]

The gulch covers one kind of pine forest, but imagine a hilly but smooth european countryside full of farmsteads and old castles, in Germany or something, pics related

[supple smelt]

hmmm

[brazen root]

(this post was fact checked by true european patriots)

[supple smelt]

I don’t think it would fit hunts theme unless it were set somewhere in the US

[real cedar]

They could probably get away with a spot like that in New York

[earnest jungle]

I’ve always wanted a map set on the US Mexico border.

[supple smelt]

Hunt is really like a stereotype of what Europeans think of the Wild West basically lol

[brazen root]

Make it like, virginia or something, i don't care, i just want the vibes

[supple smelt]

This I would agree, but it’s so hard to think their next map would do this before something else

[earnest jungle]

Are they actively working on a new map?

[real cedar]

I'm still guessing Alaska for Gold Rush themes. It might be stepping on Colorado's toes a bit but the people have been clamoring for snow for 7 years and even one of the Devs talked about a personal goal for the next map being a colder climate

[supple smelt]

They would never say so in case it takes longer than expected etc

[brazen root]

No idea, but i mean, they almost definitely have new maps cooking to some degree, even if they're still just ideas and moodboards hah

[supple smelt]

considering they remade 3 of the maps Im guessing it’ll be at least a year or more before the next one

[real cedar]

Yup, Scott Lussier sorta mentioned it in an interview. He hopes the team can get the next one done in less than three years

[brazen root]

Crytek wants to show off the environments cryengine can do, so i think it's pretty much guaranteed that they're cooking up some new environments to turn into a map

[supple smelt]

three years 😢

[granite shard]

Crazy that it was three years between DeSalle and mammon

[real cedar]

and three between Lawson and DeSalle

[supple smelt]

I remember seeing the promo art for whenever frau perchta was introduced and thinking they had added a snow map

[brazen root]

It has almost been one year since the gulch already, time passes quickly

[supple smelt]

or devils advocate

I think it was advocate

[supple smelt]

Yeah, 9 months basically

[granite shard]

Wow a whole baby was made between then and now

[brazen root]

At least one

[granite shard]

No, just the one

😂😂

[real cedar]

The Mammon baby

[brazen root]

No it has to be like

Two babies for sure

[supple smelt]

I can’t believe they named Mammon’s gulch after foxhole mammons

[granite shard]

Nah I checked the records, just a single baby

[brazen root]

Damn

[supple smelt]

in this economy? smh

[granite shard]

A whole baby was made in the timeframe and yet we’re all still here talking abt lore

[brazen root]

Is crytek teasing a baby hunter?

[supple smelt]

tbf could be like the elder scrolls where all you have for the anticipated game is a title screen for 7 years

[granite shard]

The baby hunter is going to be like a renaissance painting baby

Just a jacked man with a baby head

[brazen root]

Hah we kinda knew that would happen with es6 tho, todd was like "fuck you guys, es6 is coming, now let us make starfield first"

[supple smelt]

Starfield decided that the random generation behind daggerfall and arena was worth going back to over hand crafted goodness

which is what made Morrowind and all future titles a success

[brazen root]

Hoping es6 is the entirety of Mundus and its all entirely procedurally generated, the world, the npcs, the story, the mechanics, everything

[supple smelt]

the only good thing I’ve heard about it is a vague appreciation of the story but it’s truly rendering obvious that the creative talent behind Bethesda is either being hindered or is non existent

[brazen root]

After playing starfield and engaging with the lore i just got the impression that todd kinda just pushed his dream project onto the team without much enthusiasm from them

[supple smelt]

which I already kind of felt as a Bethesda hating circle jerker but it’s really obvious when they have the generic writing they have for their modern stuff apply to their own newly made universe it just makes a bland paste

All their other stuff was saved by the fact they could catapult off their/other’s successful world building and design

[brazen root]

I'm anticipating es6 to be a bit of a banger. About as controversial as any other elder scrolls game, but tes lore is stronger than ever thanks to eso

[real cedar]

The technical improvements to CE2 like animation and lighting, and the ability to have such a big procgen world was pretty interesting but yeah the creativity and narrative didn't hold it together. Good enough for one playthough

[supple smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/vivec-elder-scrolls-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-25764345

[brazen root]

Eso lore out-kirkbrides morrowind easily

[supple smelt]

sadly not

it does flesh out some things well

And some thing are left feeling blander than they started due to the need to fuel gameplay that is rarely unique

the epitome of elder scrolls for me is the project Tamriel and Tamriel rebuilt fan projects

because it is taking the implied world of elder scrolls and not compromising due to restrictions or deadlines

[brazen root]

There used to be hype about bethesda switching to a different engine like unreal but thankfully that has seemingly died out a bit thanks to years of unreal semi-slop

Bethesda games aren't the same without the creation engine lmao

[supple smelt]

Unreal isn’t even that bad it’s that devs have been using it quite shittily

[brazen root]

Yeah its very easy to be lazy with

[supple smelt]

although the fact it allows devs to leave such unoptimization means it is likely a bad engine

[spiral mica]

They'll probably remake Morrowind before we get TES6.

Which I'm not complaining, but I've waited over a decade now for the next TES game.

[supple smelt]

Morrowind can’t be remade without shitting on everything that made it feel fulfilling gameplay wise

[brazen root]

Its a fantastic engine in most aspects but just like unity did for mobile games, unreal just enables faster mass production of AA games

The true test of Unreal's capabilities as a full budget AAA engine will be the witcher 4

[spiral mica]

All they really need to do is update the graphics and textures, and also add fully voiced dialogue to the game. They don't have to change anything about the game mechanically or lore wise. They just need to give it a new coat of paint, and for the most part that's what this Oblivion remaster was.

[supple smelt]

Giving Skyrim combat to Morrowind would make it feel a lot more generic, as much as Morrowind’s combat is shat on if you come to accept it for what it is I feel far more rewarded by leveling up in it than any other ES game

[supple smelt]

The dialogue is very novel esque and isn’t written in a way where voice acting it will be very feasible, especially when you can ask every single NPC about the same 30 topics and having each NPC have those same 30 topics voiced

[spiral mica]

Morrowind is also the best TES game because of all the weapon choices and build options you have, and for a game made in 2003 it's pretty incredible.

[supple smelt]

It also rewards you for leveling up

you truly go from zero to hero

You don’t get constantly matched by enemies

Where you neither feel weak or powerful

And combat in Skyrim truly feels like left click right click sim with no variables other than the equipment that matches you’re level

Reading c0da also made me realize that the fan projects are really just as valid as the “official” elder scrolls material

[brazen root]

Nah combat in skyrim is really good, it has parrying, timed blocks, dodge rolls, camera lock, infinitely many weapon types, etc

[supple smelt]

It has never felt more than left click sim against enemies with more HP depending on difficulty

[brazen root]

Mods are canon to elder scrolls gameplay, its c0da, don't question it

[supple smelt]

I mean it’s true if you are judging your own version of Skyrim etc

I don’t enjoy Skyrim anymore as I can’t play it without getting bored but it ended up making Enderal so it was all worth it

Morrowind is a mega interesting world with fan expansions that now match or exceed the original game

Oblivion is still oblivion tho lol

[brazen root]

I honestly can barely judge an es game without taking modding opportunities into account, it's just such an integral part of the experience to me. I start installing mods on my first playthroughs as soon as I discover things i want to fix or change. Like with morrowind i almost immediately installed that one mod that turns the chance to miss into a damage reduction.

[granite shard]

I’m so bad at playing single player games so I’ve never finished an elder scrolls game

[brazen root]

Hah I don't even think you can properly finish an elder scrolls game anyways

It ends when you get bored

[supple smelt]

yep

[granite shard]

So like after an hour 😂😂

I’ve just gone back to Elden Ring recently after playing a few hours and getting distracted back at launch

[supple smelt]

Enderal is the only experience that feels tight enough to where I can and have 100%ed it

It’s only betrayed by the fact it has to reuse so many Skyrim assets for convenience

[orchid tangle]

I've tried to play skyrim like 7 times and never get passed a few hours

[spiral mica]

I feel like with the overwhelming success that this Oblivion remaster has gotten I wouldn't put it against BGS for at least attempting to remaster Morrowind as well. Not to mention all the memes about wishing it had been Morrowind that had gotten the remaster treatment in the first place.
"Boromir would have brought me TES 3 remastered."

[supple smelt]

I enjoyed Skyrim as a kid but the more I played other RPGs the less I liked it

To the point where I can’t get past seeing those first 3 shrines without being bored already

[orchid tangle]

I just don't like bethesda games tbh
though they did publish the evil within and that's one of my all time favorites

[spiral mica]

For some games like Elder scrolls, and Soulsborne are difficult to get into. You either have to be in a certain kind of mood to binge play them or really motivated.

[supple smelt]

Morrowind is more interesting to me as I’ve never experienced it and it fulfills my sense of rewarding exploration and having real difficulty as well as having the most stellar writing and setting of the series imo

[orchid tangle]

I mean I have thousands of hours in soulsborne and done countless challenge runs I just find skyrim and like fallout type games to be really boring to get into
I don't think they're bad necessarily just not for me

[granite shard]

Varre is carrying me through playing Elden Ring again

[supple smelt]

Bethesda games often betray their bigger picture in exchange for simply having a plethora of side content that will ultimately be better than what should be the most important

Morrowind is the only main story where I feel the main story is on par with everything else

[granite shard]

I’m curious to see how the next tes game goes but I’m still not sure it’ll ever come out lmao

[supple smelt]

I hope it will be good but I just don’t think Bethesda have it in them anymore

[spiral mica]

There's definitely a reason these games have won game of the year. They're expertly crafted and enjoyable games for those with the desire to play them. I won't lie and say they're going to be games for everyone, but I would say more people would probably enjoy playing TES games over Soulsborne. Except Sekiro, Sekiro is one of my top 10 games of all time, and everyone should try it out at least once.

[brazen root]

I barely even count skyrim skyrim as an rpg in any narrative sense, it's really just an rpg by virtue of what you can do with your character imo, and how you can roleplay in the sandbox. It's mostly a sandbox game, y'know? Idk its weird, bethesda have kinda cooked up their own genre that has been the same since oblivion and fallout 3

[supple smelt]

It’s mostly just mass appeal stuff that boils down to being generic and not unique as it once was

[brazen root]

Now that starfield and its expansion are done, we know bethesda have finally started actually working on tes6 full time lmao

[spiral mica]

When I played Morrowind for the first time I actually couldn't get into it, but when I tried it again later on when I was a little bit older I ended up doing 2 playthroughs, and I still didn't even do everything there is in the game yet.

[faint nimbus]

Releasing in 2077

[supple smelt]

Starfield feels like what we can expect from Bethesda, a story and gameplay decided by committee

[spiral mica]

TES6: Hammerfell 2077

[supple smelt]

The older games benefitted from a more unified vision

I will say visually Skyrim stands out much better compared to Oblivion’s generic fantasy look that could be any game

[faint nimbus]

if anything they just JUST started development because Bethesda refuses to work on multiple games simultaneously so it’s gonna take forever

[spiral mica]

Starfield was definitely not the best work from them, but there are some redeeming qualities I can find about it. The new item physics they made for the game were really cool and inventive.

[brazen root]

Just hoping Todd can still manage to drag kirkbride back into the studio to write some fancy new lore into existence, he can do a lot with the redguards

[supple smelt]

Yeah but I play games for good story primarily so those don’t mean as much to me personally

also the in game representations of things like night clubs and cities etc still feel so empty compared to what other games have achieved

[spiral mica]

This is valid. I didn't play Starfield for very long I played it on a friend's gamepass account for a few days and got pretty bored of it.

There were some things I did like about it, but the things I didn't like about it often outweighed the good.

[brazen root]

Starfield was a fun freelancer-like space game, the quests, writing and story were horseshit though. It's not a very good "bethesda game"

[spiral mica]

So overall I rate it as being a poor game.

[faint nimbus]

I think the route of this problem is the creation engine, Bethesda devs themselves have said that it’s too old to compete with modern game engines but Bethesda would have to fundamentally change itself if they adopted a new engine

[spiral mica]

That doesn't mean people shouldn't still try it and play it for themselves and draw their own conclusions about it.

[supple smelt]

funnily enough I actually enjoy Morrowind’s item placing being static, first of all everything doesn’t go flying when you walk in a room and it also makes stealing things a challenge

[supple smelt]

If a setting doesn’t appeal to me at all (what’s unique about starfield’s designs and general vibe?) I have no real inspiration to try it

[brazen root]

I feel like i gave starfield a pretty good shot, i made a character i was invested in, played actively for a couple of weeks, built myself some nice ships, built some bases, explored the key locations and some planets, did the quests, engaged with the lore and drew myself a timeline of events

Overall, pretty okay game. Nothing spectacular, but please don't follow this formula for tes6 lmao

[supple smelt]

a setting like Morrowind’s or VTMBs makes me super enticed to play it even though I’ve heard the combat and gameplay can be complete dogshit

purely based of setting and aesthetics and what the game makes you perceive off of appearance alone

[spiral mica]

It's a double edged sword for me because on one hand static item placement means it won't move away from where you placed it which can be really useful but at the same time it can make the world feel less immersive. It's something that can remind me that I'm playing in a video game world rather than a real one.

[supple smelt]

they copied the daggerfall formula of more must mean better even though hand crafted stories will always be superior to a jigsaw puzzle of random environments and encounters with no meaning

[brazen root]

Poor rai, we've vandalized his channel

[supple smelt]

wdym, elder scrolls is canon to hunt showdown

[acoustic whale]

man im worried tes6 will be meh too, Bethesda been shitting the bed post fallout 4

[brazen root]

True, c0da moment

[supple smelt]

to me as someone who got into fallout because of fallout 4 but played new Vegas cause of price I have gotten jaded over that game as well lol

[spiral mica]

c0da be like "yes, it came to me in a dream."

"I am the dreamer, and this is my dream."

[supple smelt]

I am a bit of a classic circle jerker though

[real cedar]

How did you know I'm sitting here thinking "Alpa is gonna be in here any minute to smack us, better not get involved"

[supple smelt]

I will cut off my hands to make hunt showdown canon in my elder scrolls

[brazen root]

Saw you typing for a microsecond

Okay but unironically though

[supple smelt]

it’s funny how ARG based Morrowind writing can be only to never be explored again

[brazen root]

The hunt lore community absolutely could benefit from some c0da wisdom

[supple smelt]

let’s make a hunt showdown visual novel that fans accept as canon

graphic novel, whatever

[spiral mica]

I actually really enjoy a lot of things in Fallout 4. I like how the power armor went from being just a suit of armor you wear to the equivalent of a tank you operate. I also love how the companion system works in Fallout 4. It feels so much more interactive and relatable like the people I'm traveling with are real people that I should be caring for and protecting. They feel like actual friends. Skyrim was a big stepping stone in companion improvement.

[supple smelt]

really? I felt like new Vegas’ companions felt much more real due to having an arc as opposed to the flat line that are 4’s

[acoustic whale]

making the main character talk in fallout 4 wasn't the best decision though

[supple smelt]

the quest lines for each companion fleshed them out so much better than what I felt in 4

[spiral mica]

New Vegas is also good, but that is Obsidian's work, and not Bethesda's technically.

[supple smelt]

Yes but they were improved for a spinoff but never revisited in the same way

[spiral mica]

I'm more so just pointing out how much companions have improved from Skyrim to Fallout 4.

[supple smelt]

Fallout 3’s companions were straight cardboard

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I didn't feel any major connection to companions in 3 personally.

[supple smelt]

they improved them but marginally compared to what new Vegas had achieved

[spiral mica]

4 also just has better companion choices. MacCready my beloved.

[brazen root]

A lore community is exactly that, a community. Sure, the primary object of interest is the story told through and around the game, but the narrative doesn't belong to the corporation that writes and publishes said game. Any time someone engages in speculation or pondering or theorizing, they're entertaining headcanon, and the resulting lore community is a fuzzy web of different people's headcanons that share many common points but have lots of fuzzy areas where people's conceptions differ. Because of this, I completely agree with the premise of c0da, there is no corporate-designated canon, there is only headcanon

[supple smelt]

They really need new creatives for their games, for the past decade they’ve been very milquetoast with their writing where it’s not bad necessarily just not interesting

[supple smelt]

Jubal-Lun-Sul is that you?

[spiral mica]

I think they're actually realizing that since this Oblivion remaster was actually made by a different studio. They're beginning to look outwards for more creative solutions for their games after their poor performance with 76 and Starfield. I think they're genuinely trying to improve things.

[supple smelt]

they didn’t trust that studio with any of the creative process

They didn’t make new writing

[spiral mica]

I'm at least more hopeful for BGS now than when I was when 76 and Starfield came out.

[supple smelt]

but c0da made me realize it doesn’t really matter how es6 ends when I satisfy expanding the world I love via fan projects

[acoustic whale]

obsidian has extremely talented writers

[supple smelt]

old world blues for hoi4 in the case of fallout and TR and sister projects for Morrowind

[supple smelt]

had, I feel

or at least the crew that came together for new Vegas worked great as a whole, disagreeing sometimes but building off eachother

[spiral mica]

Have you heard the theory that c0da might actually be Kirkbride himself? I don't personally buy into it because there's virtually no proof that it's actually him, but I will admit that some of the writing is eerily similar to Kirkbride's work.

[supple smelt]

What

[spiral mica]

You never know lol

[supple smelt]

is this a shitpost

It is his

the version you read now is simply maintained by fans but it was made by Kirkbride

Some of the art is fan made as well

[spiral mica]

I've been told several times that it's not his work, but rather the work of dedicated fans. They use his art and his sources for newer stories, but the newer entries and additions aren't actually written by Kirkbride himself is what I meant.

[supple smelt]

the original 60ish pages of the graphic novel called c0da were written by Kirkbride

[brazen root]

There's not a soul on earth other than kirkbride who could have written something as unhinged as c0da

[supple smelt]

the illustrations were never completed but it is his

like there is no doubt, he speaks on it

[spiral mica]

Kirkbride is a very unique individual. He's probably achieved CHIM and that's why he's able to glimpse into so much weird and creative stuff.

[supple smelt]

Tal(OS) could only be him

but like it is genuinely confirmed it’s him, I have never seen any doubt or questions about that

[earnest jungle]

I’m gonna eat lunch then draw up what I was thinking of for a hunt map.

[supple smelt]

There’s so many good ideas

[earnest jungle]

My idea for the Mexican Border map is something really really arrid

[supple smelt]

It’s kinda sad that mammon’s gulch feels like a little bit more of a rocky version of desalle and not much more

[supple smelt]

Yeah like RDR1

[earnest jungle]

There’s also a bunch of references to the lore such as map could include

Tuco Ramirez’s grave

Red Casket Gulch

Sofia’s burned homestead

[earnest jungle]

Actually no not the Vaquero's Home

Sofia and Vaqueros homes could not both be located on the same map because Sofia is from South Texas and the Vaquero is from Sonora

[spiral mica]

I've always wondered if Vaquero and Sofia had some sort of connection? I know some of their skins share the same art style.

[real cedar]

Oh what, you think all Mexicans know each other?

Aside from the Day of the Dead theming shared between Vaquero's bundle and bullet coffin I don't think there's any connection

[supple smelt]

they all know one of Danny Trejo’s many characters so yes

[spiral mica]

No, no, no nothing like that jeez!
I meant like Vaquero being one of the guys responsible for the death of Sofia's father, but because they would've lived decently far apart I don't think that's the case.

[supple smelt]

A woman themed like vaquero in black would go pretty hard

[spiral mica]

We've got Llorona, but I think it's been mentioned here that she's probably dead or missing or something like that?

[supple smelt]

Something like this but less topless

and less modern

[real cedar]

and less hat

[supple smelt]

no

more hat

[spiral mica]

The extent of my lore is mostly on the Primal buddies. The other pacts get foggy for me.

[spiral mica]

What are those pistols she has? They look semiautomatic?

[supple smelt]

Browning 9mm p sure

It’s a fallout piece

Maria-esque guns

[orchid tangle]

I was surprised how long it took them to add a male mexican hunter

I used to complain about that all the time

but they made him so kinda stereotypical feeling idk

I still think it's a solid skin

I think if they wanted to do a sorta flashy outfit a emiliano zapata inspired hunter would've went really hard

[supple smelt]

If there were others in the game it wouldn’t be a problem lol

also him having his hat on the back is such a cop out

[orchid tangle]

I mean yeah I remember freaking out at one point
I like that we have hunters from all over but man

persian assassin before a mexican dude

[supple smelt]

He’s an over the top vaquero but seeing as he might be like 1 of 2 in the entire game is strange

I feel like there was one added with scorched earth

As a BB one that’s sort of generic

[orchid tangle]

jason something I forget if he was mexican

he looks more realistic
not that I'm saying hunters should be realistic

no

justin I think

justice pierce

[supple smelt]

Funny cause they have day of the dead themed guns

[orchid tangle]

I might be misremembering

[supple smelt]

Justin Pierce sounds like he isn’t Mexican then lol

it is yeah I think

[real cedar]

Leo Nunez

[gilded umbra]

If it’s raining in Desalle next month then I will be very happy. 🌧️

[noble scarab]

We can dream

[gilded umbra]

I’m Only Happy When It Rains 🎸

[spiral mica]

People pointed out that the background looks like DeSalle from the new short with the wanted poster, but upon closer inspection it looks like perish with the power lines. I feel in my bones that DeSalle is close, but they must be waiting for the right time to let us know it's finished and ready to return to us.

[real cedar]

It's Lower DeSalle 1000%, Arden Parish's side buildings are all conventional slope roofs and don't have those light fixtures

[spiral mica]

See? I felt it in my bones, and someone who is totally a dev has revealed it graciously!

[brazen root]

Hah, and even more obvious than that, the building on the right is just straight up the saloon lol

[real cedar]

Ah shit I thought there was a shot like that but I couldn't find it in the video

I see now it's the twitter version that isn't cropped to all hell

[brazen root]

Yeah hah

[supple smelt]

Yeah I mean it’s guaranteed Desalle

They set it in Desalle’s most recognizable place and put Desalle on the poster

Plus it’s been long overdue so it would make sense for this

[gilded umbra]

Desalle 🤠

[mint wind]

From a smol PD to straight up Vivec :)
Otherwise it's definitely DeSalle, Crytek should be well aware that players are heavily requesting it, and it's kind of insane how some people in the short's comments are still wondering if it's back.

Even more insane when they think that is a dlc teaser, despite how these teasers never showcase (iirc) BB or DLC hunters that are not in the product.

[granite shard]

They sometimes do

Son of gunpowder had sheriff Hardin and prodigal son had prodigal daughter

But this is clearly an event lmao

[supple smelt]

whar

[mint wind]

Well before

You had a Plague Doctor pfp

Now it's Vivec

[supple smelt]

I was always vivec under the plague doctor mask

checkmate

[mint wind]

Aaaah, explains everything.

[supple smelt]

Just like under that ghost mask you’re probably uhhh

idk

John fallout

[mint wind]

sorry if it was a bit cringy tho lel

[supple smelt]

I mean a battlepass is pretty much just DLC but with more stuff

[mint wind]

If the guy was a 200 y/o ghoul whose flesh and blood turned yellow and still somehow manages to be smarter than a wild ghoul.

[supple smelt]

all depends on how much they invest in the actual event itself for non buyers

[granite shard]

I mean the event is likely coming with DeSalle so like

It’s a content update to the game

[supple smelt]

Yeah that’s already a plus but that’s more added content from the update that will stick

Curious to see if they try anything new this time cause the last one was kind of boring mechanics wise

[mint wind]

Kind of boring is a nice way to say "there was straight up nothing overall".

[supple smelt]

new guns (really just an obrez rebalance and a shitty silencer weapon)

[mint wind]

The goal was just to give the player a big carrot so they keep playing, since people are just deserting when no event.

[supple smelt]

the balance changes were very welcome though

[noble scarab]

I like the mosin deadeye, the other Obrez with its kinda awful sight, not so much

[supple smelt]

It’d be cool to have some sort of bounty system (in the traditional sense), find a certain player or skin and kill them to get a reward

[supple smelt]

hmmm, do you think we get something today?

[gilded umbra]

I certainly hope so. Another teaser trailer would be cool. 😎

Thundershower in Desalle would be so awesome. 🌧️

Inferno was really cool as well. 🔥

And I liked the confusion of Ash Bloom. 🌫️

[supple smelt]

you are almost alone in that lmao

[gilded umbra]

Yeah, I might be the only hunter who likes Ash Bloom. It seems to be the least favorite condition of them all. 😂

[brazen root]

i also think its neat

[tiny apex]

Is the Moorhound Muslim? The Moors are traditionally a name associated with Islam and his backstory makes it clear his family name is Moor and the legendary hound he hunted was terrorizing the area around him before he made it to the Hunt.

[granite shard]

he's from the moors of wales

[real cedar]

Moors are vast, uncultivated areas in the UK. The Moorhound's name is Jacob Arawn, which has Welsh origins, and he's from Portmadoc, a town in Wales.

[spiral mica]

That being said are any of the named hunters we have confirmed to be Muslim? Isn't there a group comprised of Jewish, Christian and Islamic hunters that fight the corruption?

[granite shard]

It’s likely the viper, hayali, and concubine are muslim

Pog. DeSalle confirmed

[noble scarab]

Wooo desalle and maybe some more tiered skins

[spiral mica]

Yeah, some people are complaining it didn't come back soon enough, but I think we should be thankful that it's finally returned to us.

Plus it's not like we didn't know it wouldn't eventually come back anyways. I'll be happy to play DeSalle again.

[real cedar]

10 months is a pretty crazy amount of time to be down 25% of the maps in the game

[spiral mica]

How long was it where we only had Mammon's to play but not any of the other maps?

[noble scarab]

It was about a month of just mammons

[real cedar]

August 15-Sep 18

[spiral mica]

Ah, makes sense. I know DeSalle is the one that took them the longest. I wonder what they've done to it?

[supple smelt]

those are definitely new tiered skins

we’re missing all 3

[spiral mica]

Probably added a couple new ways of entry to some of the compounds.

[supple smelt]

maybe just for the screenshot but I doubt considering how angry people can get over that

[frozen mirage]

Traditionally for moorhound hes got the beard with shaved mustache (Islamic tradition) and arrows on his back (also part of the Islamic). Also moors were predominantly muslim as well.

[mint wind]

Most certainly. There's a post of the shipyard with a hunter wielding an auto-4.

[noble scarab]

Got a link to the shipyard one?

[mint wind]

Oh yeah another access too.

[noble scarab]

Awesome

[spiral mica]

He actually looks pretty cool ngl

[noble scarab]

That’s one of the old tier 2s

[mint wind]

It do be.

[spiral mica]

He doesn't look like any tiered hunter I've ever seen before honestly

[real cedar]

He's got a mustache, and I think the thing on his back is a fishing rod or something, they don't look like arrows.
There's nothing in his story or character that really point to anything Muslim beyond the word moor, which has a different etymology from ethnic Moors.

[noble scarab]

Fingers crossed we get the guy with the vest and blue shirt

[mint wind]

It could have been just for the show, but the fact he has a 1896 weapon imo cements the fact that we'll have new hunters to lvl up.

[spiral mica]

They look like fishing stakes. He does have a bit of a fishing theme going.

[noble scarab]

Buddy is also wearing a tartan

Doesn’t get much more Scottish than that

[spiral mica]

In my headcanon Moorhound is part of Wilderness pact since he's a fisher and a hunter. He'd probably get along with Thomas Bridge, and the trappers just fine.

[granite shard]

He’s welsh lol

[noble scarab]

Close enough

[spiral mica]

What's his real name again? If we have it?

[noble scarab]

Jacob Arawn

[real cedar]

Arawn is King of the Otherworld in Welsh mythology, and is related to dogs and hunting

[brazen root]

wheres that from?

[mint wind]

Apparently Bilibili.

[brazen root]

hmm

[real cedar]

They love doing their own thing

[spiral mica]

Ohh yeah definitely Welsh then.

[gilded umbra]

It’s the return of Desalle!

[earnest jungle]

I haven’t got a chance to read the full lyrics but I can’t shake the feeling this song has something to do with Lynch

[real cedar]

Tarot in Hunt largely belongs to her so it seems likely in some way or another

[earnest jungle]

I assumed at first the six of swords and the empress referred to Lynch

Six of swords representing progress so maybe progressing towards lynch

By Lynch’s card is the fictional Red King from the incidental Tarot

And the Red King Corresponds to the Magician not the Empress

And none of the Empress’ meanings seem to correspond to Lynch

[cloud ravine]

Question was the assassin human?

[real cedar]

We don't know exactly. Either Vincent was once human and become corrupted, or the Assassin was formed from the beginning to act human and it did an incredibly effective job of it for years.

[cloud ravine]

Thanks was not sure tbh what that was that monsters name

[brazen root]

Absolutely crazy idea but what if the fool isn't a hunter skin, but desalle's new wild target

[real cedar]

If they wanted to do a humanoid boss they'd be better off doing a compound rather than wild