lore-discussion

[spiral mica]

Honestly they probably didn't put much thought into it. They were probably like "we need some clown themed grunts for this event, let's just use preexisting grunt models and give them clown outfits." Then they just used male models to match with the recordings they either already had or did for the event.

But like I said earlier maybe if they distorted the recordings they had to a higher pitch they could've used preexisting models to make the female clown grunts with the clown outfits.

[noble scarab]

If I remember right the laughs were also just mixed over the normal grunt noises so sometimes you’d have both grunt and clown sounds play at the same time

[supple smelt]

ah that makes sense actually

it's the thing in the background of the very first teaser

so it's definitely going to be used for something

[ember halo]

It's really jarring and and sounds terrible when it happens. (All the time)

[sleek sphinx]

kinda fun that the welders are brothers and the brujas are grandmother and granddaughter
I'm mostly glad it's not 2 of the same person at least lol

[granite shard]

Oh cool where’d you get that from? I just put on the psychoghost video and his head was in the way of the text

[sleek sphinx]

rachtaz has the whole bp towards the end

[real cedar]

Damn, I thought I had two days off before I had to start working on the compendium again

[granite shard]

A madman’s work is never done

[real cedar]

The Beast Hunter seemingly succeeded at taming Hellhounds? I wonder if he learned the proper way to do it while he was with the Demented Pact.

[real cedar]

Damn, for the first time a Mythic Hunter is getting an update to their skin collection. Imagine all the people going "Who?" when reading this

[noble scarab]

Glad to see they’re alive

But now what about kev

[granite shard]

He’s around— the lemat marksman has someone referring to him

[real cedar]

None of the videos are showing the lore for the Servant of the Void hunter 😭

[granite shard]

Nooooo

Did they show the Hunter?

[real cedar]

I'll try to find a pic without the gun in the way

[granite shard]

Kinda piratey

I bet none of them could get the lore since they probably owned her on that test build

Prerelease build or whatevs

[real cedar]

I imagine so, yeah

[ember halo]

Who is she?

[real cedar]

Servant of the Void. I'm guessing a BB Hunter cause she's not in the battlepass

[ember halo]

She's cool

I wonder if that barn is going to be a pop up compound, it's everywhere in the promos, and now in the background of the lobby

[real cedar]

It would've been mentioned in the videos if it was. This time it's just a Rare Supply Point that takes the place of the Sealed Cache/Hoard from older events

Oh shit, custom ammo boxes are now guaranteed at Watch Towers...

😭 I SPENT SO MUCH TIME RECORDING DATA ON SPAWN CHANCES, I VISITED NEARLY 200 WATCH TOWERS AND THEY CHANGED THE SPAWN CHANCES BEFORE I COULD PUBLISH MY FINDINGS

[gilded umbra]

Cool, what hunter is this?

[gilded umbra]

Wow, just, wow. 😮

🏴‍☠️

[rare dirge]

Damn that would have been huge knowledge if they didn’t change the chances

Also that’s a really good change though I like that

[real cedar]

I'll finish getting to 200 Watch Towers visited and put it all together in a pie chart anyway, even if it's a little off after the update the general weights for everything else will only change a little with the guaranteed custom ammo box spawn. Or they might not change at all, it could be possible for three boxes to spawn in one tower. Who knows.

[rare dirge]

Very true

My main issue with scarce ammo was the fact that you couldn’t guaranteed find a box in a match let alone the right box with the right ammo

Having spots to go to with 100% spawns is exactly what I was hoping they would do

Very curious on the spawns anyways

[spiral mica]

Ah cool! So the Bruja grandmother and granddaughter theory was correct.

[spiral mica]

Is it ever mentioned or implied anywhere that it was Beast hunter who was the one who muzzled some of the Hellhounds we can find in matches?

[real cedar]

It's not implied anywhere as far as I know, and it would seemingly predate his entrance into the Hunt. Best guess is either some mastiffs already had the collars on when they were set loose from the SPCA barn and were later corrupted (which would fit with most Grunts wearing what they died in), or that it was the AHA or concerned owners who tried it out in the early stages of infection, gave up on it, and then the sculptor copied those designs (which would fit with cage head grunts and concertina armored)

[supple smelt]

Incoming bloodbond hunter? Servant of the void implies some interesting lore

[spiral mica]

So, would you say that it's a possibility that someone before the Beast hunter attempted to tame Hellhounds?

[real cedar]

It's possible the AHA tried it alongside the early tests on Grunts, ye

[noble scarab]

At least one of the og hellhounds was a trained hunting mastiff (or German Shepard)

If they’re like the grunts maybe some of that stays past death

[supple smelt]

would actually be kind of cool to get some more enemy variety with non grunts

more dog types for example, unless hellhounds are all from the same place

[amber pawn]

what a hunter

[spiral mica]

The lore says it was an Italian Mastiff, particularly the Cane Corso breed. Her name was Bunny.

[spiral mica]

I've actually talked about this with some friends on several occasions. When Mammon's gulch first dropped we discussed how it would've been cool to see variations with the Hellhounds like ones that look like a Bernese or Husky or even some that are just wolves. It would've also been cool to see some grunts wearing warmer clothing and the meatheads looking paler and more blistered like their flesh had been frostbitten.

[real dove]

Weirdly, bunny is a German sheeper

Named for her ears

Pretty sure in the lore it's German sheeper too

I'll look

Since the dogs aren't sheepers

Yeah

Bunny is a sheeper

[granite shard]

The mastiff thing comes from a poster in game

(And also the models are far more mastiffy than sheepery)

[zenith perch]

What do you guys think of the uppercut skins

[orchid tangle]

only skins I think look worth while

some of the animations are cool

except the spencer one

idk what the point of that one is

[warped shale]

revenants is good and the brass one that comes with the Wolfpack skin set is really good

Otherwise Pretty mid

[spiral mica]

My personal favorite uppercut skin is probably Rancor or Lord's Prayer, but I also like Intricate sin and Kamacite moon.

I'd say pretty much all the uppercut skins, including the precisions are pretty solid looking.

[zenith perch]

I meant from the battle pass

[real cedar]

I wonder if there's any deeper meaning to the Night Tyrant's connection with the Ghost Face skins. There's a foreboding man on a throne pressed into the leather on both Hush and Night Tyrant: Precision. Very evocative

[zenith perch]

the skins with the weapon animation give me gothic catholic vibes

[gilded umbra]

I’m interested in seeing that hunter Servant Of The Void that someone showed here a few days ago. It’s just something interesting about those eyes. 👀

[spiral mica]

It's interesting that you bring that up because in the latest developer update video for Garden of the Witch at the timestamp 5:50 you can see what appears to be an inspect animation for the uppercut where you do the sign of the cross as if you're blessing the weapon before using it. This could possibly be in reference to a group of hunters like The Devoted or The Sinners who possessed hunters that follow the Christian faith within their ranks.

[real cedar]

Got it done just before 2.3

[spiral mica]

Absolute mad lad!

[noble scarab]

But did you run a chi square test to see if you have statistically significant data?

[real cedar]

Nope lol

[noble scarab]

I’m joking, awesome work lol

[rare dirge]

This is beautiful work

Still helpful data even post 2.3 I’m sure

[smoky anchor]

This deserves an in-game skin

[high stone]

What’s the Night Tyrant?

[real cedar]

New Uppercut Agnostic skin

[high stone]

Oh, ok

[spiral mica]

What about the skin makes it Agnostic?

[real cedar]

It applies to Precision and Deadeye as well

[spiral mica]

Oh is it one of those three-way skins where they all share the same appearance? I'd assume all the skins for this event will be like that, but from what I've seen so far they all look really nice, simple and clean.

[real cedar]

All the weapon skins are, ye

[real dove]

That's the one that is from the ghost face dlc, right?

The style*

Not actually from it

[real cedar]

Yeah

[zenith perch]

Honestly bought that dlc for the skins

I'm really hyped for the carbine skins too

[brazen root]

people are in !!

[orchid tangle]

it might just be because I'm tired and looking at her messed up appearance but I honestly feel like if I was a character like hardin or something and saw one of these guys walking around the bayou talking about prophecies and stuff I'd just shoot them on instinct

seen too much voodoo people bring bad things it's like a roach problem now

[zenith perch]

So she's like a pirate?

[grave depot]

So humor me here, but what's the lore of the event? What's the deal with witches and hobbyist-blue collars?

[granite shard]

Lore appears to be as limited as previous events. We’ll see if there’s any posts on the website

This is the setup for things

[real cedar]

Huh, the Voodoo DLC still isn't out? That's odd

[gilded umbra]

Every event is a lesson 📚

[real cedar]

The Servant of the Void doesn't even have a real bundle 💀 she just stole some of the Welder's guns

[granite shard]

Oh really?

I’m out of the country so I can’t look at the game rn

[real cedar]

New Charms. The Prescient really is blind, she doesn't know there isn't a gem in the charm

[brazen root]

so it is new! bought the prescient charm immediately, looks so good

[real dove]

Is it meant to be the black stuff around the eye?

She is blind so tracks

[granite shard]

She bought the emeralds off of the same guy who sold the heliostone

He loves scamming people

[zenith perch]

MORRIGAN AND MIDIAN ARE BACK

DEMENTED STAY WINNING

💪 💪 💪

[real cedar]

The Researcher is event boosted too, lucky for me 💪

[zenith perch]

Shame Beast Hunter isn't boosted

[gilded umbra]

Butcher’s Cleaver would definitely agree. 🔪

[mint wind]

@real dove bombito skins :D

[real dove]

QHERE

[mint wind]

There !

[real cedar]

Forbidden Lore:

I wish I could see the full description

[spiral mica]

"Gifted exclusively to Hunters who have seen behind the curtain of Corruption and [] of the world, this Charm is a sign of secret knowledge."

[real cedar]

easy guess is something like "into the hidden realms"

[neat juniper]

fourth wall is canon in hunt showdown now

[spiral mica]

[zenith perch]

unrelated to lore, or lore for me if you want, i absolutely tormented two teams of trios with the 1865 silencer and the hand crossbow

[spiral mica]

Do we know if Servant of the Void has any connection with Isaac Powell and the Night of the Hunter?

[granite shard]

Doesn’t look like it

Seems to be her own thing based on her hunter description

[real cedar]

Something related to crushing depths, by her aesthetic and bundle name

[spiral mica]

So she's basically a different kind of doomsday cultist and in no way related to Isaac or Night of the Hunter.

Kind of unfortunate since I was hoping for more lore on the older factions since they've kind of stepped away from the whole Pacts concept.

I was hoping Servant of the Void was another member of Night of the Hunter or something.

[granite shard]

I think she’s less of a cultist and more like

Potentially has time fuckery

[real cedar]

The tentacle tattoos and preaching about horrors from beyond space and time sounds pretty classic Lovecraft cult behavior. I really hope they're not hinting that she's some kind of Cable character.

[granite shard]

It’s lovecraft for sure

But she doesn’t seem to have a cult of her own

[real cedar]

The Crytek press release even describes her as a Tentacle Cultist

[granite shard]

I wonder how the person asking abt eldritch hunters on Reddit the other day feels abt her

I guess in comparison to the night of the hunter she doesn’t feel like the introduction of another cult and more just like

Hey there’s this one insane chick

[real cedar]

Every cult has to start somewhere I guess

[granite shard]

I guess

[real cedar]

Here's all the promo shots from the press release

[granite shard]

Nice

Is maiden the last hunter of the pass?

[real cedar]

Crone is

[granite shard]

I’m gnawing at the bars of my enclosure bc I want to have a proper look at the BP but I can’t bc I’m in England rn lmao

Surprising. I thought they’d put maiden back there since she seems like she’s gonna be popular

[real cedar]

Guess it's another Beekeeper situation

[noble scarab]

We’re missing a Bruja: Mother if they were going for a mother maiden crone thing

[real cedar]

That's the interesting part, isn't it?

[granite shard]

That’ll be a dlc

Finally I get my woman DLC

[real cedar]

It's a "Buy two pigs and paint them 1 & 3" sort of thing where the absence tells a story

[granite shard]

Do their bios mention the mother at all?

[real cedar]

Nope, they just reference each other

[granite shard]

Huh interesting

So maybe DLC in the future

[real cedar]

Could be, with how we got two Circus DLCs

[granite shard]

I’m trying to see if lynch could tie in since people really want her but her description in bats read crone to me

Like one of the thins muses abt how she’s thirty something but her skin looks twice that

[noble scarab]

I dont think in crytek terms bruja=witch

[granite shard]

Agreed

Also these are latina women and lynch is Irish

[noble scarab]

Shame we don’t get much lore with them, I’d be interested to see them talk to llorona

[granite shard]

Sofia too

[noble scarab]

Or luz Mala

[granite shard]

The skull makeup makes me think of her

[noble scarab]

We don’t have too much on luz mala

[granite shard]

Either way, I’m curious to see abt the potential of a bruja: mother. Maybe her absence could be a story hook if they’re gonna do a small event story

[spiral mica]

You think she's a time traveler or something?

[warped shale]

Time traveling themed event where old BP content comes back?

[real cedar]

Christopher Lloyd's Time Warp Event

[warped shale]

Make it like the researcher and the kid are doc and Marty

[orchid tangle]

it would be used to add another modern day influencer

[warped shale]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1imploding-tyler1slamming-desk-tyler1rage-tyler1desk-slam-gif-22666173

[upbeat kiln]

I have a question: What is the connection between the welders and the witches? Is there one? I don't get it.

[warped shale]

this is pretty much the extent of it as I understand it

[granite shard]

They’re set up as opposing factions (as junior said, nature vs industrialism) who are forced to partner together

We’ll see if there’s any form of a story released. Atm I’m not expecting anything and it’s going to be abt the same level as the setup for harvest of ghosts with weaponizing darksight

[warped shale]

they should’ve saved the concept for a bigger event

It feels very under baked given how amazing it could have been

[granite shard]

I mean to me it’s likely more baked than it was planned to be

[warped shale]

I think they should’ve went with a less lore impactful idea

[granite shard]

With how development timelines work, everything for this event was likely planned during the point of time in which they had expected to not have any form of narrative

This isn’t really a lore impactful idea tho

[warped shale]

it’s 2 entirely new factions

[granite shard]

They’re just two groups of people being forced to work together

[warped shale]

It’s just a really neat concept that feels under utilized

[granite shard]

“Factions” is maybe overselling it when it’s a grandma and a granddaughter and a pair of brothers

[warped shale]

I mean they have faction names

[granite shard]

Idk, it’s kinda exactly the sort of filler content expected from a small event like this

[warped shale]

I hope we see the concept of nature vs Industrialism explored on a larger scale with a less ugly nature faction

the burja or whatever are ugly af

[granite shard]

Like it exists to give a little bit of life to the two brujas and welders but nothing more really. We’ll probably see a little something on the website during the event for a story but this was likely never planned to see much more than “here’s the brujas and welders”

I like the brujas a lot, their designs are a lot more interesting to me than the welders

[crimson dock]

is the prescient still alive? unsure why but in my mind i had it that she died in a previous event

[warped shale]

I feel like they where on the road to looking good then had a misstep on the way

[granite shard]

Yeah she’s alive

[real cedar]

She's still around, the only time she's been in danger was the end of Serpent's Moon iirc when the mine entrance collapsed

[granite shard]

She was paired up w the lunar pact during Devil’s moon based on the dlc bundle but I don’t think she made an appearance in the story

[crimson dock]

thank you both!

[spiral mica]

I'm assuming what they mean is that they start off as these groups of duos, but more members will come along. Before Night of the Hunter became a thing it was just Isaac Powell, and that smaller group of militiamen that had indoctrinated him into the Hunt.

Some people are already speculating that we'll be getting a third Bruja in the form of a dlc character who will be the mother of the Bruja granddaughter and the daughter of the Bruja grandmother.

More and more people will probably join the Welders and their cause too. What I especially like about this event is the focus being about these two differing groups coming together to fight a common enemy which is the corruption. They may both have different ways about doing it, but their goals still align for the most part. It also ties in with the idea that this is a time of healing and that also extends to the fact that the developers are genuinely trying to fix the game with operation health.

[warped shale]

Except the welders

they instantly die

[spiral mica]

Well, the trailer material doesn't always translate to the established narrative and lore of the game.

For example, the tide of shadows promotional material paints Gar as being in a group of other Primal hunters, but in the actual event story she is seemingly a solo hunter trailing rotjaw. She's also not the same Primal as Reptilian's group, because near the end of the story she actually attacks his group and even kills Skinned with a bomb lance and nearly kills Hornback with concertina.

[spice canopy]

'afternoon, folks-- I had a question for the community regarding the Lawson Delta:

what happened to the soldiers at lawson delta hunt showdown?

[real cedar]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-history-of-fort-carmick
This story goes over most of it, but the tl;dr is that the fort and the surrounding military installations were decommissioned in 1885 after the end of Reconstruction; as it wasn't needed in peacetime, geographic and economic changes to the area undermined its usefulness, and hurricanes had done irreparable damage to the structures. Soldiers would've been sent off to other forts in other areas before the Louisiana Incident began

[lucid anvil]

On the topic of the fort- these used to be mosins, don’t they?

Have they finally fixed the guns!?

[spiral mica]

I think they're all Krags and Springfield 1866 now. They used to be Mosins and Nitros I think.

[orchid tangle]

I do remember seeing nitros

mosins I didn't pay attention for

[noble scarab]

I recall seeing mosins in wolfshead

Well pre-update

[spiral mica]

The Krag being present at Wolfshead and Battery makes sense because the US had adopted the rifle as the standard longarm just a few years earlier in 1892.

[granite shard]

A little bit of a tarot theme going on for one of the verses in the new PSB song

[real cedar]

Ohhh, they post lyrics on their insta. That's super good to know, most lyric sites get parts wrong

[granite shard]

Yeah I think that’s a new thing

The vinyl also has lyrics for all of the songs on there

If you want to double check any, remind me on Sunday when I’m back home and I can snap a pic

[real cedar]

Looks like Light the Match and The Devil's in the Details are the only two remaining that I transcribed by ear, I'll @ you about it 👍

[granite shard]

Sounds great!

I think I looked up light the match as soon as I saw the lyrics were on there since I was like “there is no way the lyrics online are right”

Spoiler alert: the lyrics online are not right

Okay I did take a pic of the lyrics for LtM when I looked them up at the time — I’ll get Devil’s in the details on Sunday

[real cedar]

Nice, three small fixes 💪

[granite shard]

Fun lore tidbit is that the song might be abt Lulu and Sofia’s relationship

Back when it released Nicolette Stewart posted a couple of tweets of the lyrics with pics of them

Angel of death w Sofia’s pic and angel of light w Lulu’s pic

[real cedar]

Nice

[shut pebble]

What's the story behind "Devil in the Churchyard" OST?

[real cedar]

Dunno if there's more info about what the song means, but there is a small letter from Lynch related to the song:
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/devil-in-the-churchyard

[spice canopy]

yeah both were standard-issue at the time iirc, the Springfield was being phased out of service in favor of the Krag

both are exceptional rifles tho

[real cedar]

Huh, even those lyrics are wrong slightly they mixed up the second and third verse

Thanks for the info 💪

[spiral mica]

Apparently the Springfield was in service until 1873, but there is an 1873 model that was used during later times. The Krag was adopted in 1892 so I'm curious what other rifles, if any, the US used between 1873 and 1892.

[zenith perch]

Erm its actually about Morrigan and Midian ☝️ 🤓

[spice canopy]

pretty sure we just kept using it until the krag phased it out completely

[real cedar]

Looks like it was the Remington-Keene, the 79, 82, and 85 Remington-Lee, the 73/79/80/84/88/89 Springfield Trapdoor, and the Springfield 1882 Short Rifle

[spiral mica]

I had a feeling it was something Remington, but I couldn't remember exactly which ones it was.

[unborn orbit]

Hello, please guide me. I bought this game last week and played it for a few days, but suddenly, since two days ago, exactly after the game update, every time I try to start the game, I receive the message: “Please change the server region.” I don’t know what the problem is.

And every time I switch the server between Europe and other countries, I still encounter the same message. I have restarted my console multiple times and even uninstalled and reinstalled the game several times, but the issue hasn’t been resolved. What could be the problem?

[noble scarab]

Sir this is a Wendys. Please take this to #troubleshooting or elsewhere

[earnest jungle]

I honestly love this story so much

It’s only a paragraph long but it’s also the only piece of lore we have that is written by lynch from her own perspective

I love how much it humanizes her

[spice canopy]

oh you guys meant the springfield as in the musket earlier and not the trapdoor? damn, that one's on me, folks, my bad

yeah, no, the Trapdoor was in service as far as I remember during that time

I'll have to look into Remington-Keene and Remington-Lee

[real cedar]

I just found this on the event blogpost on the website 😂

Iron Fury set, Night Tyrant Set... Mystic Occult Mexican Set

[granite shard]

Mystic occult Mexican could they not have found a better name lmao

[real cedar]

Maybe this writeup came before they had settled on Spirit Caller?

Or it's trying to incorporate Flame Spitter and Evil Eye in the 'set' while ignoring Lockjaw in the Iron Fury set

[granite shard]

Tomorrow I will finally be able to take a proper look

I’m currently in the circle of hell known as trying to check a bag at Heathrow

[heady tree]

Is there any lore connected to the Harbinger's two weapon skins? Did she kill some Welders to get them?

[real cedar]

I think it's just a collected bundle of the new BB skins. For the first time they seem completely unrelated.

Well, second time I suppose. Thorn Wreath's bundle was just a collection of new Christmas skins without any connection between the Hunter and the skins

[heady tree]

Ahh good to know. I'll just wait till she goes on sale alone then. The Welder guns aren't nearly as pleasing as the coven ones - and she seems like she doesn't belong to either faction. Thanks for checking for me.

[real cedar]

I do kinda worry though, the way she's getting advertised alongside the event in Crytek's press release and how the weapon skins are event-related. There's a possibility all the skins are event-exclusive

There's no way to know until the event ends and they do or don't disappear

[granite shard]

God I hope not

I was really hoping we were free of that sort of thing until zhuge Liu

[real cedar]

Yeah, if not for her I wouldn't even consider it

[granite shard]

What’s the rarity tier for her?

Not like it matters since zhuge liu isn’t mythic

But she is tied to a holiday so I guess that’s why she’s not mythic

(Still annoying that the one use of the rarity tiers now has no meaning with her introduction)

[real cedar]

She's Legendary, but so are all the Hunters in the BP. Only the bonus Overspill Charm is Mythic now

[granite shard]

Weird

Annoying

[real cedar]

Seems to suggest that they're all open to coming back one day, which is a positive step (assuming it actually happens one day and proves it really is possible)

[granite shard]

Mythic had a meaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was nice!!!!! Why have we suddenly tossed it away with no indication that they’re going to bring back the non mythic BP skins

I just wish they’d say something to make it clear

[real cedar]

Between the rarity changes and the survey question I think they're going for it, but it'll be a bit before we see it happen

[granite shard]

Hopefully, it’s just one of those things haha

But I think she should just be a standard BB hunter

Bloody red got advertised alongside the Halloween event iirc, and she’s still around

Surprised we didn’t get a hunter with two minor variations. Maybe they’re listening to feedback?

[lucid anvil]

Aww, she was limited time? That’s a pity..

[real dove]

I'll ask

[warped shale]

the main thing is the 1873 being upgraded to use 45-70

[fossil tide]

I'm sorry to keep bringing this topic up, and this thought is coming from an overhyped mindset, but a story solely focused on the Murder Circus event would of been cool.

Replace Malone with an original character though, as it'd never not be uncanny for him to be there

A wandering vagrant who finally got everything he could of wanted, only for it to be taken and corrupted by an unseen force. Now trying to get back what he owned is forced into a world he didn't know existed

[mint wind]

hould have been this way since the beginning. Again, Deposed King and Ringmaster are cool names, none of them needed the PM attribute before that ruined them (for me).

[desert saddle]

Pssst, is there any one reliable spot where I can find all the lore pages from the game / previous events / legendary hunters outside of the game? 👉👈 I know a few youtubers cover it but I'm a lil hard of hearing and the autogenerated subtitles are not helpful. 😅

I've checked the fandom wikia and it is lacking I think.

If anyone replies to this, please @ me so I remember to check back in here! Thank you!! 🙇

[granite shard]

Check the pinned messages in the channel!!

There’s a link to a compilation of all of the lore, put together by rai, it’s really useful

[desert saddle]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!! 💕💕 I'm super new to the discord so I hardcore appreciate that heads up, + THANK YOU RAI 🙏

[granite shard]

of course! it's an awesome resource-- even back in the day when the lore was accessible in game lol

it's organized super well which makes tracking things easier

[desert saddle]

Right?? ;; I miss it but it was also organized kinda weird in game

[granite shard]

real

imo the lore would have been more popular if it was easier to follow

[desert saddle]

I'm so hype to check it out when I get home aaaa 👏

YEAH

[granite shard]

like how cool would it have been to have something that says which hunters had lore attached to which guns

[gilded umbra]

Cool 😎

[neat juniper]

classic rai W

[woeful ferry]

Im in need of a screen shot from the Light The Shadow event? it was piece of text that mentioned some Lore about the intentions of the Native American Hunters.

Anyone happen to have one?

[real cedar]

This one?
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/light-the-shadow-behind-the-scenes

The other one you might be referring to is the in-game descriptions of each of the two paths:
Pierce the Shadow
The darkness doesn't care. Doesn't matter how rich you are, where you've come from, or what evil deeds you've done: The darkness will swallow you up any way it can. As a Hunter you think you'd be used to it all, but darkness always finds a way to crawl under your skin and eat you up. It's going to take a careful eye and a hell of a lot of courage to pierce through the darkness that's built up in the Bayou, but we got some folks that specialize in this particular fight. Darkness isn’t unfamiliar to them; they’ve seen it come and go for generations in Louisiana and its people. If we can get them on our side, a shot through the dark may be just enough to bring back the light.
Cleave the Shadow
Louisiana has always been home. For generations our families cultivated the land and survived on its bounty. All that changed when the settlers came. They drove us out; they carved, and they chopped, and they cleaved out their towns and cities. Now a new corruption seeks to drive them out, borne by shadow. Now they come to us looking for answers, and their pleas are as bitter as the shadows themselves. But we will chop and carve out the darkness until there is nothing left for the sake of our home—but not for them.

[woeful ferry]

YES THATS IT

thank you

[real cedar]

I don't have any screenshots of it sadly, I had to find that by skimming some vod or youtuber's event guide when I was working on the wiki

The dev live stream has a small chunk of it

[woeful ferry]

YEEES thank you

[spiral mica]

common rai W

[acoustic whale]

why can't sculptor just chill

[warm lagoon]

chill pills weren't invented back then

[upbeat kiln]

https://youtu.be/NPsc6eaa0dA

The source has been revealed 🤫

[gilded umbra]

Most impressive, as usual. 📕

[tired spear]

is that a reference to anything ?

(in the waterfall, next to Miner's Folly)

picture frame shows two white roses

and the lantern cannot be broken

[real cedar]

If it is, I don't know it. Just a little hidey spot

[orchid tangle]

idk but I like to think he stripped everything except his hat instead of someone putting it there

if I remember right people strip a lot before dying when having hypothermia in missing 441 cases and such

[warped shale]

Reminds me of Otis blackwells hat

[spiral mica]

This is actually a very believable explanation, but it doesn't explain why there's a framed picture that would otherwise be mounted to a wall sitting next to their corpse.

The miniature sized lantern is perfectly explainable though.

[warped shale]

I noticed that one of the hunters relevant videos for one of the hunters is missing an entry

In the lore doc

[real cedar]

Which one?

[warped shale]

https://youtu.be/CKii3wyzUjI?si=bRmFMZZGfGuoVi8j

in the last scene the kid smacks the guy but isn’t listed under the kids doc

idk if it counts as a cinematic

[real cedar]

Yeah it's a little outside the scope of lore. It's just a player killing another rather than a representation of the character

Though I do imagine they picked the Kid for that scene cause it was in the Lewis Saloon

[narrow maple]

Hi guys, where can I read the whole Hunt Showdown lore from the beginning?

[granite shard]

checked out the pinned messages in the channel

rai compiled all of the lore into two google docs

[warped shale]

I mean there’s other cinematics of a equally small scene of a character

[real cedar]

In a sense of "from the beginning", read the Compendium in order, starting with the Louisoana Event, then the Book of Monsters, the Book of Weapons, then Online Blogs and Events. After that, Hunter bios and legendary skins add a little extra fluff

[spiral mica]

It's still incredible you managed to do all that with just two google documents.

[wheat vapor]

For the new Servant of the Void, Betsy Rohrveldt really minds me of Lovecraft vibes. Especially the whispering sound she makes, almost borderline Cthulhu chant

[celest temple]

Is Servant Of The Void at all related to Hayali, for some reason their skins look very similar

[granite shard]

Doesn’t seem to be related at all

[spiral mica]

Yeah I think it's universally agreed upon that she has very Lovecraftian themes with her name and her tentacle tattoos on her arms.

It wouldn't be the first time Hunt has been inspired by something Lovecraft.

[gilded umbra]

The leeches from Meatheads remind me of a creature from the movie Leviathan.

[noble scarab]

New skins survey is out, but the automod ate my link to it

We want your feedback! 🎯📝

Our latest Cosmetics Survey is live—help us understand how you first discovered Hunt: Showdown 1896 and what you think about the cosmetics

A more in-depth survey covering Event content and gameplay will arrive later

👉 Take the survey here: https://surveymonkey.com/r/FPGNYZS

[real dove]

#general-announcements

Twas also posted here

[granite shard]

the book of weapons addition to the site doesn't add any way to track story threads/which characters have things going on in what weapon

hopefully the hunter pages will have links to the book of weapon entires that have stories abt each hunter

but I was really hoping that they'd add some clarity to the pages on the site bc it would make the lore a lot more accessible to people looking to get into it

[warped shale]

I think the doc has this a
Ready

[granite shard]

yes, the fan made document does, I'm talking about the official archive by crytek

that's something more readily available to people outside of the discord looking to get into the lore and would have been a solid way to make it more accessible

[real cedar]

I was also hoping for a nicer format to insert into the wiki but we can just copy the compendium format of storylines and have links to it on each weapon page

It does make me wonder what the Hunters page is going to be. A huge list of bios or something? I'd much rather they just fix the UI so we can read the bios of owned hunters. Maybe it'll be just the steam DLC stories?

[granite shard]

I feel like it's going to be the hunter bios and DLC blurbs

what would be awesome is if all hunters got DLC blurb level lore in there, but that's a really far shot

I think linking the book of weapon entires about them is only slightly more likely than that lmao

[granite shard]

https://x.com/HuntShowdown/status/1909681900219744281

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown) on X

Last of the Herd - Coming soon.

When the seemingly infinite herds of buffalo had been reduced to mounds of rotting corpses, Levi Anspach stood alone to mourn the slaughter. He had spent a life in harmony with these animals. Now, he was left adrift with a gun and no purpose and

X · Apr 8, 2025, 6:56 PM

positive: cool that they're bringing up the mass killing of buffalos since that was an atrocity against indigenous americans
negative: I'm worried that based off of the bow the hunter is going to look really antiquated (even by 1896 standards) like most of the indigenous hunters have been

I'll have to wait to see for final judgement

[faint nimbus]

I’m just hoping we have a native hunter who’s intro animation isn’t just looking out stoically

[spiral mica]

It's a cool looking bow skin for sure, but I think I still prefer ones like the Wayfinder and Vulture's Wing.

[real cedar]

Interesting name. Anspach is a Belgian surname

I wonder if the DLC guy will be like the Trappers or if it's similar to Teche Wraith who has a French name.

[granite shard]

the buffalo makes me think he's gonna be indigenous

since they were so critical to native americans

[spiral mica]

It'd make sense if the name was Belgian/French because it was Belgian and French fur trappers that traded the most with tribes like the Algonquin and Hurons.

[supple smelt]

interesting, what period are all the previous natives from looks wise?

[granite shard]

They’re all from the same era but a lot of their clothing is very antiquated

[supple smelt]

How antiquated

And I wonder how much of that is outside influence on clothing (if any)

[granite shard]

By leaning very hard into traditional clothing hunters like the wayfarer look like they could have walked out of like the 1600s and stuff. I think the third son is the one who mixes traditional clothing with “modern” (as of 1895/6) sort of sensibility

I have an indigenous friend who has made me really aware of the sorts of way native American people tend to be portrayed in media with very dated, antiquated looks and so it’s something I’ve been thinking about for awhile w the indigenous characters in hunt

[supple smelt]

Yeah what I’m wondering is if the “modernness” of the clothing is due to it being a fusion of European + Native attire vs how much of it was pure innovation

Not saying anything you’re saying is wrong I’m just curious what the big style difference is

I can easily see how a lot of the hunters can look outdated

[granite shard]

Like I think the intentions there are really well meaning and there’s a lot of empathy put into the narrative writing, but it’s a combo of things like most of the indigenous characters wearing stuff that could be from any number of centuries past and also with every time they got assigned to a pact in the game, it was the “we don’t care about your conflict, we care about the bayou” pact, there’s some aspects of how the characters have been treated that could be improved on

[supple smelt]

I think it’s very hard to explore topics like this in depth when the game is very very very minimally dependent on its story and background (to the point they removed lore from the game 💀 ) so covering a heavy topic like that in a genuine way is very difficult and a rocky road

[granite shard]

Yeah it is a difficult road and there have been nothing but good intentions when doing it

But I still do think it’s important to still raise up concerns abt things

Like I’m not trying to crucify the devs here, esp w how largely it’s a European dev team, they’re starting at a disadvantage when trying to portray Native American cultures and stuff

[supple smelt]

What would your idea of an accurate native from the 1890s look like

[granite shard]

I mean like they could really wear whatever was popular in fashion or practical for the hunt bc they’re just people

Like you’re not locked into wearing buckskin because you’re a Native American

[supple smelt]

I mean the problem with that is natives during that period were often forced and indoctrinated to abandon their heritage when it comes to appearance etc, obviously that won’t be the case with everyone but it was genuinely a thing back then that you were a savage unless you complied with white american fashion

So I think reverting to maybe more antiquated clothing and looks for natives is mostly a knee jerk reaction to that and not complete ignorance

obviously I’m never as qualified to speak on this as someone who has studied this topic or is from the cultures affected but I can very easily see why they wanted to distance themselves from it

[restive patrol]

https://youtu.be/RVoq0hLdGmo?si=89AJR6dXZ_3Bhk-R this is a really good video on the subject, breaking down the clothing into three archetypes and the % each one made up in different tribes.

[supple smelt]

now this is what I’m talking about

It really does differ between tribes a ton, I don’t actually know which ones are represented in game

Mostly because all the native skins are mostly locked behind fomo wall from 6 years ago therefor I never see them 💀

this video really covers my questions about the topic well

[real cedar]

This blogpost goes into some detail about Crytek's inspirations, and points to further reading about the local tribes of Louisiana
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/light-the-shadow-behind-the-scenes

[supple smelt]

based article

I haven’t really seen any BTS for any other event

I would be very interested to see it for stuff like the circus and these welders etc

[real cedar]

As far as I've seen, this is the one time they described art inspiration like this.
They probably can't talk too much in detail about a bunch of these newer skins cause they're made by outsource studios from concept to near completion. Naturally a Crytek Art Lead has input into where the concept first begins but they don't have artists in house able to talk at length about a lot of these skins.

And the poor narrative designers are locked in the basement

[supple smelt]

True

I imagine the ideas still come from the crytek art guy

I wonder, everything I see model and concept wise now seems to be outsourced, does Crytek have any 3D artists that still work on hunt showdown outside of animators?

Outsourcing is a pretty shitty practice too ngl, don’t like how standardized it’s become

[real cedar]

Yup, they've got plenty of digital artists that work on gun models and legendary skins, prop design, the event models, etc. You can find em on Artstation showing off things they personally made. Some of the senior character artists like Alvaro Canizares are still around after years, and other character artists are still making skins like Morrigan & Midian, The Centipede, Grotesque, etc. A few have moved on to other companies though.
Mainly outsourcing is how they're able to keep up with demand for cosmetics despite not growing their team (and more recently shrinking it) which is understandable though regrettable.

[supple smelt]

I assume the more chances they get the more they’ll move to outsourcing

[real cedar]

As far as I've seen, all the proper weapons and set design are made in house, only cosmetics and the earliest concepts for Mammon's Gulch were outsourced

And for some of those cosmetics, only the outfits were handled, the faces and hands were sometimes done in-house judging by how the studio shows off the highpolys without them

Ah, there was some prop models handed off to entangled studio, my mistake

[supple smelt]

Very interested in what direction they plan on taking the event after this one

Im guessing due to all the feedback they’re getting we’re probably getting less circus level stuff lol

[brazen root]

welp

[granite shard]

that's certainly a hunter design of all time

I also wish that on a narrative level with him, the slaughter of the buffalo was less about him losing a life in harmony with the buffalo and more about like... the fact that it was an attempt to kill his people?

[brazen root]

yeaah

feels a little... idk, patronizing?

skin looks cool tho

[supple smelt]

Head dress looks like a real one

The war paint on the face looks a bit Hollywood but maybe it was used

https://external-preview.redd.it/H7L0gSZSBKxnFgHRiVuc3e0SoJRgMqGfMHASsLQqGMk.jpg?auto=webp&s=5cd39bad1720e452a0b4b9231ae385a07f728858

https://preview.redd.it/k9i870nbdtb41.png?width=496&format=png&auto=webp&s=825372e5d2232af2d2faae194bf893bbbbb0758e

[granite shard]

isn't that a painting from a non-native artist of a guy he imagined

[supple smelt]

possibly but the real ones I saw weren’t far off

White and black was used

It does seem like they copied tanto from the Lone Ranger lmao

[faint nimbus]

Is it just me or is that one feather on his back humungous

[noble scarab]

Might be a thunderbird feather

Those exist in hunt

[real cedar]

Or a California Condor

About the right size

[granite shard]

are thunderbirds part of the comanche beliefs? I'm assuming that's meant to be the nation he's supposed to be part of (he seems to be largely inspired by johnny depp's tonto and then has a passing resemblance to comanche warrior wear)

feather could also potentially be a bald eagle feather since those are massive birds

[faint nimbus]

One of the skins he has for dynamite bundle is called thunderbirds cry

[granite shard]

yeah

that's why I'm asking mainly haha

[faint nimbus]

from what I know thunderbirds are mostly southwest and pacific native belief

not so sure about plains

[granite shard]

I always thought the thunderbird was something mainly seen along the pacific northwest

I think maybe the Ojibwe have beliefs about it too so it's possible the nations of the great plains have it within their belief system?

they really should specify which nations the indigenous hunters belong to

[faint nimbus]

I’m pretty sure this hunter is supposed to be Lakota, they do have the thunderbird so it makes sense

[granite shard]

hm the clothing seems further removed from lakota stuff than comanche (from my google searching)

some lakota stuff

[real cedar]

Cool to see the Cenny Shorty finally get a non-event skin, not as hype about the Hunting Bow which is way oversaturated with skins at this point. The antler bow is a classic though so I get it.

[supple smelt]

It doesn’t look 1:1 to any outfit I’ve seen

I doubt they used the same tribe for all their reference ngl

Do any of the natives have a war shirt yet? I don’t recall cause most are event

[supple smelt]

I mean it’s a neat skin none the less, it’s not pointless and stands out against other skins

[real cedar]

Definitely better than some other Hunting Bow skins like Daughter of Decay's

[supple smelt]

Ngl I bought daughter of decay cause I liked it but now I don’t

I thought the knuckle knife skin was neat and now I don’t

I kinda regret buying it lol

[granite shard]

The best bow skins honestly are the twitch drop sinners one and the BP Egyptian one

[supple smelt]

Egyptian one is too flashy both for my taste and for visibility

The centennial skin actually looks like one I’d use

The colors appeal to me in a way the other native gun skins don’t

[real cedar]

Looks like it'd pair nicely with Bayou Phoenix

[orchid tangle]

everytime I see a new hunter design where they're like front and center infront of a wilderness background for a split second I always think it's some AI art some guy made to mess with people

[supple smelt]

• the utility item is for an item I’d use

And looks neat

The bow I will never use cause fuck bows

[orchid tangle]

I really think it's just crytek doesn't know history at all lol. If you didn't really know any history you would think natives looked like this all the time by generic art and movie appearances.

[real cedar]

Part of it is trying to appeal to audience expectations so there's a point where you intentionally go wilder with appearances just to live up to that

[granite shard]

it's frustrating when it gets applied to an already marginalized people

and when doing native americans initially they made a big point about wanting to do right by them

[orchid tangle]

I assume he's supposed to be comanche because that's the generic violent tribe pick. His description confuses me though

[warped shale]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lone-ranger-johnny-depp-movie-film-tonto-gif-16327007

Johnny dep In da house

[granite shard]

comanche is also my guess

[orchid tangle]

I'm on the fence cuz I've wanted more native hunters but it is about as generic as it gets

but I mean crytek isn't good at not doing generic so I shoulda expected as much

[supple smelt]

Keep in mind every hunter we see in hunt is not very accurate to the period and is typically an extreme look

the grounded ones come closest to accuracy obviously

[orchid tangle]

except my goat unionsuit. Let me go back to the 1880s and walk around the woods I'll find 5 of him in a day promise

[supple smelt]

I can’t speak to the authenticity of the hunter as a whole but it has real apparel

[supple smelt]

I wish they released more Union suit esque fellas

Otis could’ve come closest but they turned him into a hunt down the freeman character wearing his larpified uniform

“You fucked up my face”

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-gaming-hop-on-hunt-hunt-showdown-1896-wild-west-gif-467466038843677438

[granite shard]

but that doesn't put them above criticism? like they have stated that they held off on doing native american characters for as long as they did because they wanted to to right by them and now they have put out a character that looks more like a caricature than a member of any nation, while also perpetuating the idea that he's the last of a dying culture

and while also playing with the idea of the slaughter of the buffalo but without actually going into the real impact of that and just mourning the loss of the harmony he had with them

like this straight up misses the mark

[supple smelt]

I don’t disagree

Its tough when he’s a fella you’re selling for 12 bucks so people can go shoot other people as him in a game about hunting monsters lol

and you can only get native skins through paying

[real cedar]

Idk, the ideas are all there so I think it's just a writing skill issue that the exact words aren't captivating enough.

[orchid tangle]

I just want a full nice and clean union uniform, stop adding weirdness on it, just give me some old veteran who doesn't put like skulls and shit on it ready to murder people within his military regulations

[supple smelt]

The writing has not been up to par recently I feel like

Lots of typos I’ve noticed in more recent dlc too lol

Or non sensical grammar

[real cedar]

Cause some of the old writers are gone since mid 2024

[supple smelt]

Real

[earnest jungle]

I return to my original stance on the issue: if there were indigenous hunters who were just regular tiered hunter skins

[granite shard]

I mean we've only recently gotten a lead writer again and the writing team has been two people since the engine relaunch

[supple smelt]

Gone because of firing or gone because of saying adios

[real cedar]

Dunno exactly, a bit of both maybe? I saw one going away post while some others are just gone without info

[granite shard]

so the writing being shorter and less up to snuff is something to be expected but I think they were reluctant to actually discuss the actual attempted genocide that caused the slaughtering of the buffalo

[supple smelt]

I wonder how much of that is them willfully avoiding it

[granite shard]

like they could have just said something like "in an attempt to kill his people, but in defiance he survived" in his bio and that would have both worked with the character they've established and also acknowledged the reality of the slaughter of buffalo

[supple smelt]

But also I think they realize 99% of people don’t read what they write so they’ve invested a lot less into it

[orchid tangle]

I mean they went ahead and added buffalo bill inspired character first so I doubt respecting that event was ever their priority

[granite shard]

but they chose to touch on it!

they didn't have to include a character whose backstory centered around this

[orchid tangle]

my thought is it's crytek being crytek and was thinking of a quick reason to make the character go crazy, thing they liked tkaen from them

not that this is to make an excuse for them

I'm a pro crytek hater

[supple smelt]

I doubt they researched the topic well

this time around anyhow

[granite shard]

I don't want to be a crytek hater, I don't like being negative abt things and I think the hunt team gets a lot more shit than they deserve

[orchid tangle]

the description is weird in general

[supple smelt]

I seriously don’t think more than 30 minutes goes into any of the hunter’s stories nowadays, they realize people buy them for looks

[orchid tangle]

they write it like this dude kept bison as his pets

[real cedar]

Nah they did, it's the same thing with The Exile where they don't mention the trail of tears at all cause it's a game more than a PSA

[granite shard]

they had an entire blog post about what native people faced and the forced migrations

[supple smelt]

yes

how many years ago

definitely an entirely different team and less writing staff too

[granite shard]

I don't see how that makes a difference? this is a precident that crytek started themselves

[supple smelt]

I think the blogpost came from individuals on the team and not a push from management

[real cedar]

And that stuff didn't make it into the game at all, just like it didn't make it into this DLC story either

[supple smelt]

this is all speculation

so

[supple smelt]

True

[granite shard]

but also "Delphine Terrebonne grew up in the heat of her grandfather's rage at his tribe's displacement from Louisiana"

it directly acknowledges the displacement and the impact that it had

it doesn't go in depth on the trail of tears but that's an acknowledgement of the human effect it had

the slaughtering of the buffalo didn't cause a feeling of sadness because of the harmony the native people had with the animals, it caused people to starve

[orchid tangle]

it's that it SHOULDN'T make a difference but it does cuz crytek HAS changed. New priorities, new leadership, new thought processes

[supple smelt]

Long time ago and a different team and it was in a blogpost most people probably didn’t know existed

[granite shard]

but the precedent is there -- and it's not just a blog post

when talking about the light the shadow event they discussed this

[supple smelt]

and this does acknowledge that hunters killing buffalo were bad but not why

[granite shard]

like was david in charge back then? no, but people like dennis are still there

[supple smelt]

that was also for a full event and this is one dlc

Idk I think they generally put less thought into the same aspects they did for light the shadow

Where they did their research because their entire event focused on it

[granite shard]

that doesn't make it better

[supple smelt]

I have a feeling the idea was made up quickly then shipped off to an outsourcing studio who didn’t really reference anything specific

And the Lone Rangerness of it all makes me think that’s the case lol

[granite shard]

that might be why it is the way that it is, but it isn't an excuse?

[supple smelt]

Im not saying its better I’m saying why the bad thing is happening

its not an excuse

I am simply speculating on what has changed since light the shadow to make it this much less thoughtful

[granite shard]

whereas I don't think that's what matters as much as the fact that this is something that relies more on stereotypes and a johnny depp character's aesthetic than being respectful to the real history they're utilizing

[supple smelt]

I find it hard to believe even back then they sat down and spoke to an expert or someone from those/a tribe(s)

[orchid tangle]

well I think it's more of they probably had a few people get an idea on a new character and were told to look up the history on said character or group of people to get an idea of what to do

[supple smelt]

Yeah

This one I think they outsourced it to a studio who made the concept based off of maximalist aesthetics of various images they saw + pop culture

I find it really hard to believe the paint is not a straight lone ranger thing

[granite shard]

I mean the dude looks more like johnny depp's tonto than he does a person from the great plains tribes

and like even if that is the case that they outsourced who made a concept based on maximalist aesthetics and pop culture -- that also sucks and I don't want that for hunt lmfao

[supple smelt]

yeah once again I am not saying these in defense lol

[granite shard]

like is this guy less immediately visually out there than someone like lonely howl? yeah I guess but like he's even less based in factual history

the problem is most people aren't gonna give a shit and are gonna go "haha funny hobo" and encourage more things like this

[orchid tangle]

crytek knows that and thats why they did it

[granite shard]

and that sucks lmao

crytek seems to be reverting some of the bad decisions made under fifield (there's a lot of talk abt that over in the chinese community based on what my friends on rednote have told me about) so like maybe we'll see a course change at some point on hunter direction?

next month marks two years since we've had a DLC that's only a woman

so like more equity in the genders of released hunters (and vehicles of how to gain them since most female hunters have been released as BB hunters) and more thought being put into the representation again would be nice

[orchid tangle]

I hope a new one comes out and it's a character in an animal skull mask and full wrappings where you can't tell it's a woman until they get hit

[granite shard]

haha I'd be so fine w that dude

the fucking monkey's paw is gonna curl in but I just want a DLC that doesn't come with a man

[orchid tangle]

the female hunters are usually better imo so I'd be down for more

private eye, gunslinger, sofia, whatever are among my favorites

obviously I have an aesthetic type here but

[granite shard]

I prefer the brujas over the welders too

[orchid tangle]

I like the brujas more only cuz the welders shouldn't exist

[granite shard]

I'm just not huge on the aesthetic

[orchid tangle]

I kinda liked them in the trailer

industrial guys just come out being extremely aggressive for some reason

bruja chilling in the abckground

[supple smelt]

they seem to sell well so idk why they only do men frequently for DLC

although half of them may be gooner syndrome

[granite shard]

probs bc they can make more money from blood bond hunters

[supple smelt]

can they? Really? blood bonds leave the option for people to obtain them for free

genuine question

[granite shard]

but the rate you earn BBs at is so low that the majority of people are probably spending $$$ on them

[supple smelt]

DLC guarantees cash in crytek’s pocket

[granite shard]

especially if most people are gonna buy them when they launch in a bundle, that's gonna be like, what, 1500 BBs for the hunter and weapon skins?

[supple smelt]

the last few dlc hunters have been duds in terms of how often I see them

[real cedar]

Basically every new bloodbond hunter is Epic and Legendary so 700 - 1000 each. Ignoring the people who will spend gained BBs for that is easy cause it'd take 16 weeks to earn that much

[supple smelt]

And my purely anecdotal evidences will clearly correlate with sales numbers!

[granite shard]

so that's roughly fifteen bucks to get the amount of skins you can get in a DLC pack for ten bucks (if you don't buy on sale)

[supple smelt]

but you can offset some of that cost with free blood bonds which frequent players get 50 of a week

[granite shard]

okay, so that's then offset by the fact that if you miss out on a bundle you'll have to pay full price for the skins

so now you have to buy 3-4 skins at the full blood bond cost

[random lava]

or buy them on sale or buy just what you like and not the bundle

[supple smelt]

Most bundles I don’t want to buy tbh

only individual items

[granite shard]

I mean yeah, you can buy them on sale or in the bundle, but I'm just thinking of why if things are popular/sell well they'd be put into a different format for purchasing

[supple smelt]

its very hard to get gun skins I like for guns I like + a hunter I like in the same bundle

[granite shard]

if things sell better, put them in a format that has the potential to make more money, and then see if they continue selling

[supple smelt]

especially when some of them come with like 4-6 items

[granite shard]

and presumably the skins have been selling well enough to keep doing this

[supple smelt]

I am curious to the price disparity

for them I mean

profit disparity I mean

[orchid tangle]

I mean this can be applied to DLCs too

[granite shard]

yeah idk, it's something I've been talking w abt some of my friends with about overwatch since they've brought loot boxes back and why they're offering a strictly free way of getting skins

and the thought we had there is that most people probably buy the skin when it first launches and subsequent reruns might have less of a purchase rate so they're more incentivized to "give them away" with free lootboxes if it builds goodwill and fewer people would buy them after the initial run

[random lava]

sale sure, not only one of the items you want

[warped shale]

Next DLC I’m getting is either gonna be reaper or bones and bounties

idk the mako skins skull ballsak really throws me off

[granite shard]

tbh tho even for the price of one of the blood bond hunter skins I could basically get a DLC with multiple skins for, since quite a few hit that 900 BB mark which is only just a bit less expensive than buying a $10 DLC

[supple smelt]

would legit buy a duo dlc with some army hunters that don’t look larpy

[granite shard]

like 900 blood bonds on one variant of annie or $10 for the entire taker of trophies DLC

[supple smelt]

I buy blood bond hunters I really like

[granite shard]

yeah same

[supple smelt]

I buy dlc I’m favourable on

doesn’t have to be perfect unlike bloodbond ones

[orchid tangle]

I've always wanted a duo pack of a union and confederate officer coming back to the bayou to finish a rivalry or learn to work together in this new age of fighting styles.
but alas we can't trust people to be mature with rebel characters

[supple smelt]

Idk if they’d do a confederate hunter anymore

I know some of the tiered hunters had confederate items

[orchid tangle]

they wouldn't

[supple smelt]

at least what I thought were confederate hats

[orchid tangle]

I'm fine with the idea of them, most hunters are evil people a confederate would fit in, it's just the playerbase isn't gonna be nice with them

[supple smelt]

the wrong kind of player would use it

[orchid tangle]

yeah

the civil wars my favorite war I remember trying to get into war of rights cuz it looked fun

playerbase got very old very fast

[supple smelt]

just play Union

[orchid tangle]

you'll get losers on both sides lol

[mint wind]

It's fine to play a fictionnal evil guy, it's less to play an evil individual who committed or supported historical crimes.

[spiral mica]

So, I like the new hunter design, but it definitely isn't period correct at all. It is really antiquated.

I was also afraid from the beginning that they would cover him or her in Buffalo skin despite his descriptions supporting the assumption that they wouldn't.

[supple smelt]

do you mean the pelt or buffalo apparel in general

cause the latter existed

The whole thing wasn’t that they shouldn’t kill buffalo, it’s that hunters killed them to the point where natives lost something hugely important to their lives intentionally to aid in culturally genociding them

its over hunting that had otherwise been kept in check that caused near extinction of the bison

[spiral mica]

I mean, at that point it's not hunting it's poaching, and what's really unfortunate is this kind of devastation to ecosystems is still occurring today. Particularly in places like Africa.

I'd prefer not to be killing Buffalo at all, is what I'm trying to say.

[supple smelt]

yeah poaching is more apt a term

But natives hunted bison sustainably for ages and then settlers turn up and try to make it go the way of the dodo because they have no restraint in exploitation of everything

I got the feeling that this guy was a hunter

It was their livelihood and then settlers show up to poach them to extinction both for profit and for suppression of natives

[spiral mica]

The bow skin definitely gave me an indication that he was going to be a hunter, but I was hoping for something more up-to-date. Indigenous people in 1896 weren't necessarily brandishing the skins of Buffalo because by this point the Buffalo population was so dwindling you could barely find any in the wild anymore.

[spiral mica]

Buffalo aren't extinct either, efforts from people (like myself) all over the midwest have been doing everything to maintain their presence in the United States.

[supple smelt]

To extinction /=/ extinct

[spiral mica]

There's one particular national park in my area that has a place situated for Buffalo only.

[supple smelt]

well how I intended it anyhow

I haven’t been to the US since 2015 but when I was a kid I saw some bison

[spiral mica]

Oh, yeah if that's what you meant they were definitely on track for extinction.

[supple smelt]

500 left at a point in time apparently

[spiral mica]

Yeah, the Buffalo situation is a lot better now than it was in 2015.

Which is more than I can say for other animals like the Sumatran Tiger in South Asia.

[supple smelt]

the whole dire wolf headline thing is funny because of many reasons including them not being dire wolves but the fact they have to resort to doing stuff like that to even get funding for keeping near extinct animals alive through genetic modification is sad

[noble scarab]

For a lot of those near-extinction cases its kinda not worth it because you end up with a weird bastard version

Like the red wolves, the living ones are more coyote and dog than wolf, and that’s before any external genetic manipulation

[granite shard]

the native people hunting buffalo weren't poaching them though-- buffalo had been a hugely important part of the culture of the nations of the great plains and a major food source for them. the colonizers who did the mass slaughter of the buffalo were the poachers in that sense, but someone like the plains warden wearing buffalo pelts and stuff wouldn't have been one of the poachers

[supple smelt]

He was talking about colonizers in this case I believe

I mean the fact they had a stable and sustainable population while hunting for ages just for it to be wiped out in mere decades by a fraction of the people is crazy

[warped shale]

Obv natives killed buffalo

the issue was how many the non natives killed

[supple smelt]

yes

[warped shale]

CW: real bones

[granite shard]

I was a little confused based on their mention earlier of the plains warden wearing the buffalo pelt lol

[warped shale]

Those are all skulls

[spiral mica]

Yeah I was addressing foreign settlers, not any indigenous peoples.

[supple smelt]

I said hunters here which could include natives which was my mistake, I meant poachers but didn’t find the word in my brain

[supple smelt]

This is actually insane

[granite shard]

a supernatural horror book recently came out with a focus on the slaughter of the buffalo -- the buffalo hunter hunter

I've heard some really great things about it and need to check it out at some point soon

[real dove]

bison used to number in the millions

not anymore

:/

[spiral mica]

We just have to work hard at ensuring their continued survival. Reproduction efforts are at an all time high these days, mostly because nobody is going to be hunting bison any time soon.

[supple smelt]

Poaching for the sake of poaching is insanely bad already but doing it to wipe out the livelihood of a people you want to conquer is another level of evil

[granite shard]

not even the livelihood

like it was straight up an attempt at genocide

[spiral mica]

Nah, the biggest threat to North American ecosystems is people releasing invasive species into the wild where they do not belong, and people feeding native species like deer and elk which can destabilize breeding.

[supple smelt]

yes

[granite shard]

I'm not trying to be pedantic but I just do think that the language used for this is important since it's an often ignored part of US history lol

[real dove]

well, you can if it's a private herd

and via lotteries

I've eaten plenty of bison

[spiral mica]

Trophy hunting is also a bit immoral. It's one thing to keep a memory of an animal you've killed and eaten, but it's another to just kill an animal for the sake of taking their corpse as a trophy. Some hunters will donate their kills to restaurants and grocery business like butchers with the intention that their kills will be consumed by other people other than themselves, and that's fine for the most part, but it's more so ensuring that something you've killed doesn't go to waste for no reason.

[supple smelt]

Its easier to explain with the context of why rather than saying only the outcome for those who aren’t aware of it

[granite shard]

but also livelihood I don't think it as the context as much as wipe out the main food source

[supple smelt]

I don’t know how else to put it in a single term because it’s so many things they relied on

Like economic power as well

By removing bison you remove the possibility for them to use bison pelts and goods to trade with

[spiral mica]

It also depends on the particular tribes. Tribes like the Ute and the Arapaho were the original inhabitants of Leadville Colorado, and their main food source would have been Elk because Bison usually don't wander that far up into the mountains.

Some tribes were affected by the loss of Bison in completely different ways, and some wouldn't hunt them at all. The best way I could explain it is how some Bharatha or Hindi refuse to consume beef for religious and cultural reasons.

[supple smelt]

They tend to be grouped as a whole both by those who wanted to oppress them and those who supported their cause for similar reasons

Them being able to unify as a group now a days is due to how they were oppressed as though they were the same group back then

Even if a native wasn’t directly affected by it they would equally agree it was destructive and colonial

[spiral mica]

I think most people, native or not, would agree that what happened was destructive.

[supple smelt]

Hopefully

but then there’s people who justify anything so who knows

[real cedar]

Elijah Wood, known colonialist

[spiral mica]

He colonized Mordor

[ebon snow]

wait theres actual lore?

someone yap to me

[real dove]

What do you want to know?

In the pins is Rais lore compendium

Which is imo, well done and has the lore grouped together

[spiral mica]

For anyone wanting to get acquainted with the lore of this game I would definitely recommend Rai's compendium in the pinned messages.

I really appreciate how the devs are cataloging and documenting the lore on the website, but I feel like the compendium that Rai has put together just covers way more at the moment.

[grand python]

I think this comment unfortunately captures the state of Hunt lore post 1896 update.
But yes the compendium is the best way for now, I agree

[supple smelt]

wiki.gg has the best documentation for the pages it has

it just has blind spots sadly

[granite shard]

the wiki is an active WIP

[supple smelt]

tbh I think the reason they sidetracked the lore was because no one knew about it before either (even if less do now)

when I played the game my consumption of the lore was loading screens lmao

or those event snippets but I didn’t enjoy how those were handled

if hunt had a semblance of a story to experience and not just read there’d be a lot more people interested

[grand python]

You make a really good point

[real cedar]

That's cause it's my second compendium and yeah the missing pages are annoying, we need more people working on it who are confident in writing guides for the gameplay related stuff like monsters and game modes

[spiral mica]

The thing is we're still technically getting minor tidbits of lore with the new skin descriptions, but new compendium entries and event stories are a thing of the past.

[granite shard]

possible that they won't be a thing of the past forever

but I doubt we'll see anything signifcant until like q3-4

[grand python]

True

[noble scarab]

Fingers crossed if crytek gives us event lore chapters back they don’t make it filler or take up a slot on its own. Pack it with a skin or some hunt dollars. 1k hunt dollars and a lore entry

Something to keep people from complaining about lore

[granite shard]

yeah literally all they needed to do was just add something else to the BP level

[real cedar]

It's funny how the very first event with lore in it got it right, and then never again. Traitor's Moon had you unlock a page of the story every time you completed a level in the BP

[granite shard]

how many skins are in this BP?

it could be each skin tier has a story chapter with it

that also gives free players a reward on those tiers

you get the skin if you buy the BP but if you're f2p you at least unlock something

[real cedar]

I think they took the player metrics from Traitor's Moon and saw it wasn't being read much, and the lesson they got was that it had to be on the same page as the rewards. But instead of just making it easier to read, they inserted it as filler right into progression.

[granite shard]

I hope that at some point they reintergrate lore in with the events since they just feel so hollow with no story backing on them

[supple smelt]

I kinda agree it was neat having an optional story to read to go along with the stuff you were buying and grinding for

like someone like ochenkov’s widow or the witches here would benefit from context and only of the two got it

[granite shard]

also the voice acting added soooo much

like it was so cool to be able to have an actual voice for these characters

[warped shale]

Is there a list of what hunters have cannon VAs?

[warped shale]

I’d like to see at least a little more augh variation

[granite shard]

cardinal rain, wayward helmsman, gar, sofia, butcher's cleaver, burnt marshall, mr chary (not a hunter), drowned rat, beekeeper, daughter of decay, sheriff hardin, felis, marshall brewer, researcher, hayali, and the mountain man

the hunter voices in game should stay the same or be localized, having unique voices per hunter would give too much information

[supple smelt]

These still existed for scorched earth no?

I remember hearing the trapper one

[granite shard]

oh fuck I forgot snare

I was like "three per event mostly, we got brewer, hayali, and researcher" but yeah snare was there too

[spiral mica]

I wish it was Bridgewater instead of Snare like the Mammon's gulch trailer initially gave me the impression it was going to be him narrating.

[granite shard]

what made you think bridgewater?

I know the first one was meant to be that one BP hunter and there was another one that was meant to be the mountain man

[spiral mica]

I actually meant Thomas Bridge aka Mountain man.

My mind said "Bridge" so I typed out Bridgewater lol

It also wasn't the Mammon's gulch reveal trailer, but the Hellborn reveal trailer that had him as a narrator. The map reveal trailer has a different narrator that isn't Mountain man.

https://youtu.be/jRVtl7eiqs4?si=6Bh20eSl0PyxB12x

[granite shard]

haha that logic makes sense

map reveal was the BP hunter

shade drifter/high noon

[supple smelt]

I hope in future they provide us with a third character for certain duos like they did with the rednecks

It’d be cool to have a third Lawman to make the trio, maybe someone a la Bass Reeves

[warped shale]

I want a deputized alt version of another skin

like they just picked up another hunter and recruited him

[real cedar]

Deputized Redshirt with a star bullseye

[warped shale]

lmao would be sick

just take hunters that are sorta scrappy give em a shower set of clean clothes and a silver star

[supple smelt]

Deputy Cain

You know what we are missing, a criminal duo, no?

[warped shale]

Could work honestly

[supple smelt]

Deputy Cain was a normal fellow before he lost his sister Abelline under mysterious circumstances

[warped shale]

I always imagine Cain being similar to the hermit from blood meridian

former slaver driven into poverty and insanity as his evil profession becomes illegal

[supple smelt]

I wonder if there’s a case to make that he is the original Cain

[warped shale]

I mean he wears pants in the book

[supple smelt]

I imagine the lore is ambiguous to make the option of him being a crazy dude who went off his rocker and thinks he’s a bible character the primary idea

[supple smelt]

talking about our cain

[warped shale]

maybe

would be interesting if we got a hunter that was Judas in the flesh

Because according to the Bible he was made deathless after betraying Jesus

[real cedar]

More than that, we're missing an interaction between The Gunslinger and Hawkshaw Jack. Two sides of the law who wear sunglasses and like Ranger apertures. It's just meant to be.

[supple smelt]

I think a bank robber duo would go kinda hard

[warped shale]

I wouldn’t mind a entire BP themed around lawman and crooks

[supple smelt]

Although Idk how you get bank robber across aesthetically

Eye bandanas maybe

[warped shale]

A lot of the old free hunters look like bank robbers

Leo looks very bank robbery ish

[warped shale]

In the lore was the uppercut manufactured as a modification by Phillip jones specially to cope with the larger corruption fauna and the mutated hunters?

Kinda like how in real life Samuel walker contracted colt to make a revolver in a large enough calibre to kill a horse

or as far as modifications are concerned John Schofield requested several modifications to the smith and Wesson “American” model 3 his version coming to be known as the Schofield

[supple smelt]

actually this makes me think

How long has the corruption been there

Cause the whole revolver to kill horses thing was even before civil war no

[real cedar]

It's possible, as the Uppercut mastery alludes to Jones and Caldwell discussing additional firearms shipments, and the Book of Weapons description of the Uppercut says they're rare because of a fire in the Caldwell factory. Victor might've sabotaged the production.

[supple smelt]

In the lore is there a reason why it seems so many guns are conversions instead of new models made for cartridges like the pax?

[real cedar]

I don't think there's ever a mention of that. Though it's only the Conversion and LeMat that are cartridge conversions, right?

[supple smelt]

Correct I think

I don’t know if Springfield used cartridges

Looks like it did

[real cedar]

Yup, .50-70 Government

[supple smelt]

Like when that uppercut tidbit is mentioned it kind of implies it’s a gun that is maybe special and recent

[warped shale]

The 1873 Springfield used 45-70

We have the 1866 it has it’s own unique calibre

[warped shale]

The Springfield is a musket conversion

[warped shale]

Probably just a excuse to add unique guns like the Lemat and conversions for budget guns just make sense for the time as budget guns

in real life conversion stuck around for a while longer then you’d think

part of it has to do with the Rollin White patent giving smith and Wesson exclusive rights to manufacture bored through cylinders required for cartridge guns until 1872/1871 so by the time the patent expired colt and Remington where way behind S&W with cartridges but already had a lot of parts for cap and ball and machinery for making them

some conversions where made from the factory as cartridge guns using cap and ball parts and some were done by independent gun smiths after the they were manufactured

[frail scroll]

where does hutn showdown take place

[real cedar]

In the bayou southeast of New Orleans, and a more fictional area somewhere west of Denver & Colorado Springs. Mammon's Gulch is somewhat analogous to Leadville or Cripple Creek, Colorado.

[frail scroll]

I see, I see, so I also believe guns arent ENTIRLEY geographically accurate?>

[real cedar]

Kinda. There's a smuggler character who claims to be able to get guns from anywhere so long as they can fit inside carcasses which helps explain the Russian and European guns, and then some talk of expert gunsmiths who got hold of prototypes to build like the Auto-5 and Avtomat.

Some of the real weird stuff like Katana and Chu Ko Nu are assumed to have been brought over personally by Asian hunters

[frail scroll]

I see

also, auto 5 would be in america

by remignton

[spiral mica]

You're correct, but they can't refer to the real names because of licensing or something.

Also, some of the geographical data is mostly fictional like Desalle technically being south of New Orleans despite the fact that it would be North closer to the Arkansas border or even a place in Arkansas itself. Some areas like the center of the map at weeping stone mill are more Louisiana Bayou than Arkansas though which is why it's somewhere in between a fictional and non-fictional setting.

[gilded umbra]

I really like this channel. It’s always filled with interesting information. 📚

[real dove]

Yeah, DeSalle being in LA makes very little sense geographically, but is what is. Port Sulphur is a real place tho. and several of the locations are named in some way after towns/places around NOLA- Davant being one iirc. (I looked at NOLA on google maps once looking for ideas for a hunt themed DND campaign I ran)

[acoustic island]

can you check lore in game now?

[real cedar]

Nope, the only lore left in game is bios of hunters you don't own, and blurbs on skins. Everything else has to be found elsewhere, either on the official huntshowdown website, fan made compendiums in pinned messages here, or on wiki gg (coming very soon)

[acoustic island]

alr thanks i'll have a look at the pinned

[hexed sandal]

did they finally make a version of innoculum that isnt just demon blood yet?

[real cedar]

Nope, as of early 1896 they're still using Lynch's serum. Maybe they still have access to a backlog of them since she's gone?

[real cedar]

Oh shit

[supple smelt]

something here is missing 🧐

[noble scarab]

Rai what did you do

[supple smelt]

Found the ark of the covenant

[warped shale]

Well not when the game takes place

The auto 5 was patented in 1898 but didn’t see production until 1903

I guess in the hunt universe he finishes it early then crown and king must be a fictional manufacturer

[frail scroll]

you have a point

1901 btw

[real cedar]

Sometimes I fly too close to the sun 😅

[warped shale]

Why did bone doctor bring revenant back

[real cedar]

Revenant's lore says "The Night Speaker" brought him back, I think the Bone Doctor is just a stand-in for that character similar to Hardin standing in for British lawmen in The Conspirator's video or Lulu being Reaper's wife

Though, it does seem more fitting that Bone Doctor would do it rather than the Night of the Hunter cult, which is more about the apocalypse than practicing necromancy

[supple smelt]

Icarus’ Auto 5

[earnest jungle]

Oh so I guess that wasn’t cut content then

[real cedar]

I think it was cut, but the kind they didn't intend to share

[noble scarab]

There was a similarly named ammo used in the bioshock games, I wonder if it’d have been something along those lines

Basically a longer lasting dragons breath

[real cedar]

Being dangerous once again with sharing stuff that doesn't appear in the game, but this time ENTANGLED Studio uploaded the concept art so surely they have permission to.
There was once an idea to give Drowned Rat a Frontier 73C skin

[warped shale]

Neat skin too bad it’s on a bad gun

[spiral mica]

I noticed that despite "Jury" being a Scottfield swift skin that belongs to Hawkshaw Jack it for some reason isn't part of the detective bundle. I do own the skin, but I recall that even skins that you own still showing up in unpurchased bundles.

[warped shale]

Well the true shot that literally had sharif hardins face on it wasn’t in the Hardin bundle

[spiral mica]

Well, both his Vetterli and his LeMat skin came before the Trueshot skin so you could chalk that up as it just being outdated, but the Judge and Jury skins for the Scottfield variants came out at the same exact time so it doesn't make much sense why it wouldn't be included in the bundle.

[orchid tangle]

please give private eye another weapon doing her "loadout" is so painful 🥲

[spiral mica]

Yeah, Private Eye needs some sort of rifle or large slot weapon to go along with her Scottfield.

Maybe a Marathon since both variants actually don't have many skins?

[orchid tangle]

a marathon or like a spencer would fit a pinkerton imo

[spiral mica]

In fact I think the Marathon only has two skins, one for the regular and one for the swift.

[orchid tangle]

neither of which are obtainable now

[spiral mica]

Yeah, they're both mythic and luckily I was able to get them both back then. That was one battle pass I nearly didn't finish too.

[orchid tangle]

that's been my favorite pass actually cuz I love shiny fancy skinss

didn't care for centipede and her weaponst hough

[spiral mica]

It's still strange to me that they're giving us more skins for weapons like the mosin, uppercut and centennial despite the fact that there are weapons out there that only have one or two skins for them.

I guess I really don't mind too much because the skins we've been getting lately are nice. Especially the new uppercut variants for this battle pass. I love that they have those little finger slots on the trigger guard because I don't think any other gun in the game has something like that.

[orchid tangle]

they're on a mission to make most mosin skins weird too so you gotta go for the p100 for a good one

[spiral mica]

I actually don't mind most of the mosin skins, but my favorite is probably Bear's tooth just because it was both a fan creation and it belongs to the Mountain man. The story and concept art for the weapon is pretty cool too, and I think it's free in the store.

[mint wind]

Do you really wonder why popular guns have more skins than the rest..?

[real cedar]

Surely that can't be the case. If it were true, Berthier wouldn't have 5 skins added in a single year

It is kinda interesting to see how the skins reflect popularity. 1865 Carbine is much more popular than it first appeared when it came out

But on the other hand they also went 3 years without a new Mosin skin so it's like 🤔 guess they're not that focused on popularity

[spiral mica]

If it were only the most popular guns getting skins than why does Auto-5 only have 3?

[real cedar]

Hell, they went 2 years without a paid Mosin skin, then another 3 years after that

[spiral mica]

It's been a very long time since the Auto-5 has even gotten a new skin.

[real cedar]

4th anniversary of the last Auto-5 skin is coming up in two weeks

April 28th 2021

[supple smelt]

This is just a concept not a model so I think they chose not to go w it

[real cedar]

Ye

[real cedar]

Oh shit, I gotta keep better track of Artstation

Another outsource studio did a huge dump of what they were working on for Hunt. Looks like it's all 2024 stuff

[spiral mica]

I notice that Christmas krag skin has a bayonet on it.

[real cedar]

Good catch, it was designed as an agnostic skin set but seems like they only went with the base Krag.
I wonder if it's cause they chose to switch it from an event skin to a BB skin, and aren't confident in selling skin sets yet?

Time to find out if any of these others were once agnostic

doesn't look like it

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I'm curious about that too, and this set of agnostic skins make me wonder if there was originally a different intention for a winter solstice event instead of the Post Malone circus stuff, possibly an event centered around Mammon's gulch?

[warped shale]

Was the shade drifter event not the mammons event

[real cedar]

Possibly. Thorn Wreath is kinda just thrown in there as an afterthought, but who knows the exact timeline of skin production

[spiral mica]

Another thing I've noticed about these Artstation skins is how some of them appear to have different coloration as opposed to the ones actually seen in-game.

[supple smelt]

I feel like they could be working on a system that makes an agnostic skin count as 1 actual skin

The fact it became BB makes them selling 3 variants for 3 purchases non sensical

[spiral mica]

That would be an interesting idea, but not one that I think they're exactly privy to.

[supple smelt]

well they requested 3 skins for the variants specifically

so whatever happened something changed

Maybe they wanted a Christmas battlepass

[real cedar]

It'd be easy to do on the UI side, one panel to buy from but three items purchased, no different than buying a bundle. I think it's more that agnostic skin sets may not be worth selling yet as they'd be pretty expensive and some people may just want one out of the grouping and not want to pay for the others.

It'll probably change as they get more used to the system

The monetization devs are probably working on the best way to set it all up

[supple smelt]

I hope we see some of it back ported for skins that are the same model essentially

[real dove]

Events are created long in advance. Months and months. Likely they simply decided to not release all of the skins.

I would be shocked if we ever saw skins be sold as 1 skin for all variations. Mainly as while trees exist, each variant is treated as its own gun. Selling a skin bundle/letting you pick which skin you want for what gun isnt like going to change

It's how they're filling BPs as well

[granite shard]

Yeah the agnostic skin thing feels like mainly a way to pad out BPs more than anything

[mint wind]

If we want to look for a brighter side, better have them than storylines sadly.

[granite shard]

Uhhhh

Disagree there haha

Both of them are BP padding and the stories were at least something new to get on that tier

I don’t really find agnostic skins all that exciting

[orchid tangle]

it depends how they handle them

I'd rather have stories than ugly mosins that have useless shit welded onto them
I'd rather have cool agnostic skins than butchers cleaver and beekeeper doing nothing for 3 chapters

[mint wind]

Well tbh, getting story bits meant you'd acquire limited content that would be completely pointless for you in your games or or in the lobby.

It was literally unlocking wind nowadays, since it's gone after the event, unlike skins that are, albeit quite repetitive, usable at any time as long as the game remains alive.

[granite shard]

But most of these agnostic skins are also useless for me

And the story is something I would go back to over the course of an event and go through and listen to as I was waiting for my friends

[mint wind]

In both case, it's very personal. Unless after I got all chapters, I would not go and listen or read all of it for 2 min once acquired. I skipped some lines like that for ToS.

[granite shard]

yes, but so that's why saying "better to have them than storylines" is just probably not correct

bc I don't think it's better

it's a different form of padding

it's also a lower effort, lower cost form of padding because while there's still work that goes into applying this stuff to the different guns, it's still less than paying writers to develop a narrative, write it, edit it, and have voice acting

[mint wind]

Sure, but work that goes where ? Pretty sure the majority of the playerbase barely took the time to listen to the lines.

And as low effort as the agnostic skins can be, it's still getting a pack of skins for an entire weapon family, where there can be at least 1 or 2 weapons you'd like with a skin.

[granite shard]

but also how many people are using the agnostic skins from last event? and how many of them are applying them to all of the weapons?

[mint wind]

That is a question that can be answered with time. It's already too late for all storylines.

[noble scarab]

From the circus? None of the post Malone or clown shit

Even desert rose’s guns aren’t great

That said I’ve seen a few, not many, but a few people running a couple of circus skins

I haven’t seen a post since the event tho

[supple smelt]

I find them more exciting than lore because they were something to earn, lore I can listen to/read the exact same way I would in game as I would in a video

I can't use lore like I can use a skin

[granite shard]

but like a lot of these skins I won't ever use

like either bc I don't like the aesthetic (and now a good chunk of the BP is taken up by an aesthetic I don't like) or bc I have skins I like more than it

that's not exciting for me

[supple smelt]

idk there's many cases where I like the skin but not the variant it's for

and before it would've been special ammo that's useless or a charm that I'll never in a million years use

[granite shard]

but like the charms would have looked different, or the special ammo could have been something new for a gun I use (or gave a reason to play a new gun) whereas it's now a bunch of levels taken up in the BP for the same exact skin on different guns, without even an interesting new little blurb about it in the description

[supple smelt]

the problem is that many of the guns they've done agnostic stuff for are the worst ones lmao

or at least the most gimmicky

night tyrant is the only one I enjoy having it cover all variants

[granite shard]

I mean there's that, but my base problem is more of the fact that it's a bunch of the same exact skin concept spread over the BP, regardless of the gun it's being used on

[supple smelt]

it would've been filler otherwise

[granite shard]

like battle passes require padding, that's just the nature of how they work, but this sort of padding feels lamer than other stuff they've done

[supple smelt]

it's just useable filler

[granite shard]

plus like now it brings basically all of the weapon skins down into the filler level

do we have any gun skins in this BP that aren't weapon agnostic?

[supple smelt]

uhhh no

but for the circus ones there were which I actually wanted them to be skin agnostic lol

like the blued sparks or the dolch skin

I think for this BP they had way less skins overall so they kinda had to pad it with filler agnostic ones

idk compared to past filler I still prefer it

[granite shard]

I mean if filler completely overtakes actual content tho

I don't think that's preferable

like at least charms, ammo, and lore didn't overtake the actual content of skins

[supple smelt]

I mean I see it as 1 agnostic skin = 1 skin

circus event they gave us more skins than ever

this one is.. ehhhh... but it was expected

[granite shard]

and they were largely filler skins

[supple smelt]

I mean a gun skin isn't a filler skin to me

3 of them still equal 1

if you counted each set of skins as 1 total then it was still more than the previous ones for circus

this one we dk if this is how they intend to keep future ones at but I assume not

[granite shard]

more skins =/= better and I'd rather have the old number of skins but them being either their own unique take on a concept or each skin being its own thing

like starting with desolation's wake the weapon skins have largely been filler skins

[supple smelt]

true but we've always had skins with the same theme even if it made no sense

like the scorched earth one had the ghillie wrapped skins in a battlepass with no hunters where it made sense

[granite shard]

yeah and that was bad and people complained then

[supple smelt]

I do feel like instead of doing a unique skin for each gun they're doing an aesthetic they can apply to multiple

[gilded umbra]

I certainly miss reading the biographies of the hunters in my collection. I was that nerdy kid who actually read the bios of my Star Wars and G.I. Joe action figures. 🤓

[supple smelt]

As we see with the ghostface skins and now the night tyrant being the exact same style

[granite shard]

starting with the centipede's stuff in DW they started just doing the same base assets across different guns. the statesman was similar but his skins had more going for them with more differences

[supple smelt]

yeah...

these welded skins don't appeal to me at all and I don't see them having that much appeal to the majority of people either

[granite shard]

and like even in scorched earth at least at the end we got the cool unique skins after the filler, same with harvest of ghosts

but like with this event it's all filler weapon skins

[supple smelt]

yeah there's no final hunter that feels unique either

[granite shard]

even if it's meant to be a smaller event, they could have put in at least two gun skins that were unique

[supple smelt]

it's 1 part of a duo in which you can have a preference for the earlier one lol

at least the mummy felt unique

[granite shard]

yeah I think ultimately this BP is an example of just quantity over quality

[supple smelt]

idk I don't judge the future of BP's on this event anyhow, we'll see with the next one where they intend to set the bar

this BP has no quantity lol

[granite shard]

I like the brujas a lot (could take or leave the welders. I'm sure they're appealing to some people but not to me) but it's two duos who look veyr similar

[supple smelt]

or at least

it's a lot of repetition

[granite shard]

yeah that's what I mean by quantity over quality

[supple smelt]

the welders are the most appealing part to me and I get them early on

[granite shard]

it's a bunch of weapon skins and they're all the agnostic skins

[supple smelt]

I'm at level 31 and have no real want to finish the BP other than getting the bloodbonds

I still think this event we got per individual gun (not variant) we got more than some before

I'd like the agnostic skins if they didn't intend on giving the same aesthetic to every gun if they're popular

I don't like the fact there can be a skin for 1 variant I have no intention of using that looks 10x better than the skins for the original gun

[noble scarab]

Do we know if the void hunter lady is event locked or just normal