lore-discussion

[granite shard]

also desalle isn't returning this patch

[mint wind]

Might be later on. Or they didn't mentioned it at all.

[granite shard]

that would be an insane thing to shadow drop

I'm relatively inclined to believe all of the additions are in the press release

I'm interested in seeing the specialization of the throwable melee tools

I've been wanting them to have a niche for awhile so I'm hoping they do this well

[mint wind]

If it doesn't come with the update, it might come in the days following.

[granite shard]

they don't tend to do that sort of updating tho

they're probably still working on desalle and we won't see it until later this year

[mint wind]

(Or the potential addition of foliage will prevent it for the entire event, but I doubt it).

[mint wind]

They did for Stillwater.

[granite shard]

but they also said "this is coming"

they wanted people to just play on the new map for a month and then unlock stillwater for the pool

it's like when desalle launched initially and the map pool was just it for a week or two

but more relevant to things actually coming with the patch -- I'm curious to see how the brujas will look. there's a ton of cool directions that can be taken by going a more traditional mexican look with a witch

welders sound less interesting to me bc they're probably gonna be just some people in big aprons and welding masks. tho I am curious to see how many there will be? they specified bruja duo but nothing for the welders

[supple smelt]

might be a mid event kind of thing

happened for stillwater

[granite shard]

again, they have mentioned nothing about that

if you read the press release they detail everything that's coming

they would not leave desalle off because that is a really anticipated return

[supple smelt]

not everything or we’d know what’s in the battlepass

[granite shard]

[supple smelt]

checkmate

[granite shard]

they detail all of the gameplay features that are coming*

if they're going to say which compounds are entering bounty clash, they're going to tell you if a map is returning to the game

[supple smelt]

I’d like to hear theories on what the welders are

[earnest jungle]

I still think Lynch might make an appearance if not as a presence in game than perhaps a mention in the lore given her status as Hunts big witch character.

[mint wind]

I would actually believe DeSalle is ready, or almost ready, to be released. It took them around as long for Lawson.

[granite shard]

I think you should just manage your expectations because this seems to be a smaller update where they're largely making balance adjustments

[supple smelt]

Desalle was the most modern so you think it’d take the least amount of time

[supple smelt]

tbh it feels like a bigger patch than circus in terms of how it affects non event gameplay

[granite shard]

circus had a lot of gameplay additions to bring excitement and a huge event compound. this seems like it's going to be a fairly minimal event thing with a small amount of new weapons and just adjustments to the balance they goofed up over the past year or two

[supple smelt]

I hope the hunters are finally my taste

2 1/2 events without anything I’d use

[brazen root]

Finally, witch hunter can hunt witches

[granite shard]

I'm curious to see just like. how they work as witches

since Witches are an established thing outside of humanity. maybe they're gonna be more of hedgewitches?

I'm not really sure all of the cultural details of brujas in mexican culture so that might be digging into to get theories

it'd be cool to have them be sisters or something like that

[noble scarab]

Poltergeist as a normal trait tho 👀

[granite shard]

just doing a quick glance at wikipedia, seems like there'll be a lot of cool inspirations to draw from for the brujas

[orchid tangle]

I think this is how they're balancing content with the QOL improvements

cuz theres no "new" weapons, no new traits, etc

it's like desolations wake

except desolations wake had the best skins factually

[gilded umbra]

Garden Of The Witch 🪄

[granite shard]

imo it's just gonna be another desolation's wake where it's just kinda a filler event between bigger content drops

obviously I could be wrong, but I think people expecting desalle are going to be sorely disappointed lol

[orchid tangle]

part of me is kinda glad of that because I was getting a bit pissy about these teasers after they said this will be a QOL year
the other part of me wants to go spam "waiter! waiter! more long ammo bolt action please!" in general

[granite shard]

I mean they gotta do events even if it is a QOL year

[gilded umbra]

As long as Thundershower returns I can wait on Desalle. 🌧️

[orchid tangle]

as long as there will be XP boons it'll be perfect for me

[granite shard]

like ultimately they need to keep players engaged and wanting to check in, and events provide that engagement -- especially if the updates are smaller things that are just ungoofing the goofed up state of the game

[granite shard]

bestie I am so sorry to break it to you but I doubt that's coming this patch either haha

[gilded umbra]

I really like that teaser picture. It looks very moody and foreboding.

[gilded umbra]

Damn bro, you just broke my heart. 💔

[granite shard]

unfortunately I am here to beat down people's expectations back down to a reasonable level haha

[orchid tangle]

I still feel like Lynch has to have some sorta relation even if we just get another paragraph of lore like last time. But I really doubt after a single person is hired we're right back on the old trashed narrative instantly

[gilded umbra]

I do appreciate realism. That’s why I didn’t even mention Ash Bloom 🌫️ or Inferno. 🔥

[granite shard]

idk, brujas are witches so that's likely what the intent of garden of the witch is

[orchid tangle]

ash bloom not coming back is my unrealistic expectation

[tiny plover]

I mean a boy can dream. Kevin where are you my boy

My sweet 14 year old in a 25 year old moon body

[gilded umbra]

Damnit Kevin! 😂

[real dove]

I think we'd have news if rain/DeSalle/ash are returning

Likely in the funture

Furniture

Future

[granite shard]

and we'd probably get a mention in the evnet blurb if lynch was involved at all

[real dove]

Yep

[tiny plover]

Curious what the overall theme is though. Is this another event where a group of people go "Man this corruption thing is getting outta hand agian." And making greater effort to curb the incursion

[orchid tangle]

kevin can DIE I just need these events to move along with lore again so we can get back to a tasteful time for Chary to come back from this thanos snap

[granite shard]

seems to be. I doubt we'll see any big narrative so it's probably just gonna be brujas competing w the welders to contain shit

[orchid tangle]

grass and earthy stuff, which tbf is a mystical weird new concept for hunt players

[gilded umbra]

Lynch 😍

[granite shard]

I feel like I have a whack a mole hammer rn

smashing down people's dreams for the event lmao

[tiny plover]

Potentially Healthy competition between hunter parties to actually deal with the incursuon instead of (lore wise at least) blowing each other's brains out??

In this economy?

[granite shard]

it happened in scorched earth!

and tide of desolation!

[gilded umbra]

Smashing Pumpkins 🎃 and Siamese Dreams 😂

[tiny plover]

Interesting to see how its gonna get pushed narratively at all then. Normally theres an other other than sculptor. Your primal pact, demented pacts, etc

[granite shard]

I don't think we'll see a ton this event

we'll maybe get a few blog posts

[tiny plover]

Mm. Might be fun to have a "eh whatever" event like harvest moon again. Aside from Gunrunner, which I groaned at reading lmao

[gilded umbra]

That song for Scorched Earth, Make Them Bleed was so good.

[tiny plover]

Welders sound cool af though

[spiral mica]

Garden of the "Witch" huh?

My prediction was vampires, but witches was a close second. It all sounds like we'll probably be getting more info on Lynch and maybe people like Hexbreaker and Witch hunter. Maybe we'll even get information regarding other members of the Elias family/clan.

[granite shard]

likely not

Garden of the Witch sees cursed nature and Corrupted metal clash. In the story of the Bruja duo and the Welders, each group fights against the Corruption with their own strengths. The Brujas bring organic mysticism to the table, while the Welders are armed with industrial occult practices and fire.

brujas are latin american witches and that's more likley what the "garden of the witch" is referring to here

[real cedar]

It definitely reads like it's another Harvest of Ghosts side story

[granite shard]

yeah

[real cedar]

But at the same time, Lynch got teased in that as well even without any lore to browse through

[spiral mica]

Well, as cool as that sounds it's a little disappointing too since I personally don't know much when it comes to Circe or even the Elias family in general. I only really know that her and her clan were witch hunters by trade and she had some kind of relationship with Mary Burgess.

[granite shard]

I'd like to dive into the Witch/hunting side of things more too but I just think that's likely not what we're going to be seeing here based on the press release

[spiral mica]

Judging by that description though I'm rather hopeful that this next event will be much better than the two previous events. It sounds like it'll definitely be a step above Ghostface mask and a mystical man wearing a jack o' lantern on his head, and Post Malone with his circus clowns.

[granite shard]

it'll likely have at least one woman on the battle pass so I'll be happier than the last two events for sure lmao

[spiral mica]

It really does pain me to say it, but the two events prior were just absolutely terrible. I can definitely find a few things I liked about them, but overall they just weren't all that great for me.

[granite shard]

yeah they just weren't for me

I didn't like pumpkinhead and I just don't care for either post malone or a circus aesthetic so they were misses for my taste

I think we're still too soon to see any MASSIVE changes in terms of events and stuff from HoG/PMMC but it'll hopefully be better?

🙏 hopefully fewer recycled skins

[warped shale]

Wait so turn coat was in the army?

but what army?

[real cedar]

The only army in America

Specifically, he was part of the 7th Cavalry Regiment

[spiral mica]

I agree. I suppose it would be more appropriate to say I'm more cautiously optimistic as opposed to being outright hopeful since it really is a bit too early to tell.

[warped shale]

Where did he get the C96s from

[real cedar]

Army trials or something, idk man we got a Winchester 1893 showing up in 1865 Japan, shit just happens

[warped shale]

Apparently the Texas rangers used them at some point

[acoustic whale]

why can't AHA go full howitzer mode on sculptor's ass?

[real cedar]

Lack of funding, Need for secrecy, and the corruption doesn't live in any fortified positions that need to be shelled, nor do they move in large formations that would be weak to artillery

[real dove]

also unlikely to help

they set everything on fire and the swamps were still infected

[granite shard]

they've also been fighting for years

[real dove]

unless you turn the area into nomansland of barren waste, (also theyre still afaik trying to keep the corruption from public knowledge) artillery wont do much

and thats a LOT of artillery for that era

[acoustic whale]

so how are they fighting the evil exactly?

all i know about is killing bosses etc but how is that helping defeat the main evil

[granite shard]

they're shooting grunts and killing bosses and hoping that works

[real dove]

Honestly, arent most more there for the bounties

[real cedar]

I don't remember if it's outdated lore from Hazmat or one of his headcanon ideas but one idea was that every boss target brought back takes a piece of the Sculptor's energy, so the goal was to deplete it through attrition, then get it to a point where it can be attacked directly in its own realm. If that's not true, then the boss target culling is still keeping the corruption from spreading.
Alternatively, finding a weapon or means to directly attack the Sculptor itself is something that people in the lore have been putting time and effort into, mainly Lynch and Chary.

[acoustic whale]

ok that makes sense then

[real dove]

Sounds... headcannon

[acoustic whale]

was just wondering if killing bosses was helping or not

[real dove]

The sculptor is limited in its control of the bosses

that I remember

IE, cant "summon" multiple like it can other AI

and different AI are harder to summon- hence some AI being less common (meatheads) then others

[granite shard]

We ultimately have very little knowledge as to how the sculptor functions

[real dove]

sadly

I wish for more

not everything

but jsut... a little more

[acoustic whale]

yeah i've been asking for more sculptor lore too

[real cedar]

Learning a bit more from observations of researchers and such would be real nice but I hope they don't delve too much into origins or motives or anything like that, I like it being eldritch and unknowable

[real dove]

same

In my head it's akin to a cordyceps fungi, and I dont really want to be expounded upon

darksight would be cool

[lucid anvil]

So… going on the name… safe to assume more Lynch?

[real dove]

Nah

She's not mentioned at all in the press stuff

Possible i guess

[lucid anvil]

Different witch then?

[real cedar]

If Lynch isn't hinted at in further stuff then we riot

[granite shard]

the brujas

[real dove]

Yes

[real cedar]

They can't just yank our chains with that knife 😭

[real dove]

lol

We will see

[granite shard]

unfortunately I think they're yanking our chain

imo the connection there is "this is an event called garden of the witch. lynch is a witch so we can use her knife"

[spiral mica]

Apparently he found the dual dolches when he washed up from a flood or something.

I'm also going to point out the fact that some of the weapon acquisition for hunters and the manufacturing date for weapons sometimes don't add up at all. (i.e Kendoka with his slate and Cowl with his krag bayonet)

[warped shale]

Yea but he had to be using them or fighting someone that was

if they are US army then they should be the new army or the pax

[spiral mica]

It only says he found them after washing up, not that they were issued to him when he was a soldier.

Another weird hunter is how Bridgewater has a Specter and a New army when considering what kind of wars he was in and what kind of soldier he was he would've more appropriately had a Springfield and a Pax.

I am curious to see how Cowl's dates of when he was a soldier and of his weapon acquisition line up. Meanwhile Kendoka having a slate pretty much makes no sense.

As cool as that slate skin is it still bothers me to no end that they got the position of the Tsuka wrap wrong

And as I've said before it mentions how Kendoka began building it when the Meiji Restoration began which doesn't line up either.

But these complaints aren't crazy significant or anything just minor nitpicks I have about the representation of Japanese history.

[zenith perch]

After weeks I am back

with a question

a crazy question

do yall think that the Heart's Skewer spear is fits with Morrigan and Midian?

cause it has red. has feathers on it. and has the name heart in the name. and talks about two lovers

[earnest jungle]

Sounds like a solid conclusion

[spiral mica]

I see it belonging to Morrigan and Midian as a possibility, but I also remember the spear skin being featured in promotional material for Bloody Red.

But regardless I'd say from a personal standpoint it looks like the spear skin probably belongs to them.

[restive patrol]

The Specter had a minor stint as a prison guard weapon, so it could've made it out west upon special request but highly unlikely (https://lsbauctions.com/rare-spencer-arms-model-1886-repeating-model-1-of-10-accepted-by-army-ordnance-dept-28-¾-pump-action-shotgun-paperwork-mfd-1887-antique-2/). The New Army skin's description explains it as him receiving the latest due to his stellar performance in the field, even if his unit normally gets outdated or old gear, like the Pax you mentioned.

[warped shale]

Was the pax considered out dated by 1895?

I’ve heard stories of the US army selling off a ton of them in favor of the 1892 colt only to regret it and try to buy back the 45s

[restive patrol]

They were moving to smaller caliber to be more in-line with European armies moving to lighter, faster bullets due to the advent of smokeless powder. However, when the US fought the Moros in the Philippines, they found the 1892s .38 round insufficient at downing them before they managed to reach troops (though to be frank, I don't think anything would stop a guy hopped up on drugs, faith, and bound in bandages), so they pulled out any reserve 1873s left to put into service, and this all eventually led to the adoption of the .45 ACP for the 1911.

[warped shale]

Yea yea I know I wasn’t in the mood for typing all that

The whole cow trials and all

[spiral mica]

Bridgewater was a "Buffalo" soldier out west taking part in the American Indian Wars. He wasn't a prison guard or anything like that he was an infantryman and a NCO so it's extremely unlikely that he would've had a Specter especially when you consider a soldier of his stature would probably not have been allowed to make special requests like that anyways. I can understand him getting the New Army because of performance in the field, but the Pax would've still been more appropriate.

[restive patrol]

though in general, imo, it was out dated even at adoption, the French had double action in their 1870 Chamelot along with the British. The 1873 was adopted due to the reliability and less potential for " wasteful ammunition expenditure", which was fine given the US was fighting natives and had to truck supplies out.

[restive patrol]

yea yea, just postulating how/why those skins were chosen

[warped shale]

It was also colts second(?) non conversion cartridge after the Rollin white patent ended

[restive patrol]

Correct, their first was the 1871 Open Top (which is conveniently also in-game, albeit as skins for the Kid)

[warped shale]

S&W really had the market by the balls

[warped shale]

just got back from taking ash on a stroll

What the hell even is the base conversion supposed to be

It looks sorta like a 1851

but it has the notched cylinder which I’ve never seen on a open top period

[restive patrol]

honestly, cannot tell you, it just looks like an amalgam of different parts from various Colts. You got the grip frame from an 1860 army, the front half of a 1851 navy with a conversion ejection assembly, and a fluted cylinder like a SAA.

[spiral mica]

Yeah, but even if the intention was to give it to him because it had a minor role as a prison guard firearm at the time and somehow found it's way all the way out west into the frontier because of "special request" it's still a weapon choice for him that makes no sense for his character. A better example of a weapon choice like that for a character would've been Monroe since he actually escapes from a state penitentiary and would have likely seen prison guards carrying such a firearm.

[ember halo]

So is the Obrez match a 2 slot?

[granite shard]

probably

[ruby current]

If so, then Obrez base will be a 1 slot

Dual wield it now

[ember halo]

Drum would still provide value with ammo pool but yeah the regular would be just worse

[ruby current]

I suspect they will change some stats on the base 1 to justify this new addition

[granite shard]

maybe the match will have better stability but the obrez will have better muzzle velocity

[ember halo]

Just give me pen on slugs

[ruby current]

Match on the Bornheim increases stability, recoil control, damage, and gives a better sights

I can't remember if it changes muzzle velocity too but I'd say it does

[ember halo]

If I'm paying 200 dollars for a 1 hit kill range decrease give me something in return

[granite shard]

the match for the bornheim probably changes MV but I'm just trying to think in terms of what they'd do here for the obrez to have the match not make it wholly obsolete

so like it could be that the obrez match gives it a stock but at the same time messes w the barrel to reduce its MV

[ruby current]

I think the only solution is a change for the base variant

[granite shard]

it also could just be a strict improvement but who knows

[ember halo]

Well if they follow match precident, match would see increased damage lol

[ruby current]

I believe the match one will be 3 slots

[ember halo]

Weapon holster/draw stat line?

They still need to fix that and this would provide a balancing point to make all of these make sense

Wait I'm in the lore channel wth lol

[narrow hound]

I could see the match being a 2 slot if the stock is foldable and not full wood like reg mosin

[narrow hound]

sure, but thats an MS paint edit from reddit

[ruby current]

Ye but I just can't imagine the Obrez with the wire stock

This carbine version looks cool as hell

[narrow hound]

Definetly, this has insane aura

but it kinda makes no sense to have this in mosin obrez family if its just sawed off barrel

[mint wind]

Looks ugly af.

[fickle sluice]

Ngl, the new mosin variants freaking confuse me

[real cedar]

Called it

[granite shard]

I. I thought we were done with the circus

why can't we be done with the circus

[tiny plover]

McGuffin Stone is still out there doing McGuffiny things?

[granite shard]

The DLC pace has really slowed down so I wonder if this is just a symptom of that— he was designed to be released during the event but timelines changed

[tiny plover]

I mean frick, if they can do a desert rose and drop her post-event, makes sense. I figured it had something to do with rose's dress, big flowy stuff tends to break first on models. But maybe it was just a pace decision

[granite shard]

People have complained abt DLCs being monthly releases so I guess they’re trying to pare that back

(I’m not super duper fond of that decision. I liked the monthly dose of content since it gave something lore-wise to chew on and I like seeing new hunter designs)

(And now that they’ve pared back DLC releases all that means now is people on Reddit are bitching about events being released. They were always gonna move onto something else to be mad about)

[tiny plover]

Hunt is a case study for people never being happy fundementally lol

[granite shard]

Yeah lmao

Like I know I’ve complained a lot recently but like I try and still give props to crytek when they do things well

Reddit is just filled with people who want to be miserable

[tiny plover]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-the-cowardly-dog-macaroni-gif-18202689

https://tenor.com/view/mac-and-cheese-courage-cartoon-gif-11160430

[granite shard]

Lmao

[noble scarab]

Circus relation aside I like his designs

[mint wind]

Hey, if it's just the Circus, then it's not too bad. As long as his name doesn't pop in, it's a win.

[orchid tangle]

I kinda like this skin for the dr facilier vibe, so I'm just gonna ignore the circus existence

[noble scarab]

Post Malone’s voodoo doctor, who only uses the finest Post Malone branded weaponry, each gun has no less than 3874 PM brands on each facet of the weapon

[orchid tangle]

THIS GUY shoulda been the circus leader...

[lucid anvil]

What was his story, actually? Also, I know, old message, but I’m scrolling through an- lol

[granite shard]

That’s his DLC blurb

[lucid anvil]

5th. Henry the 5th, I believe :)

Oh wow

I didn’t realise what day it was lmao

Bigger gap than I thought..

[lucid anvil]

Huh.. thank you! That was actually really fun to read.

[granite shard]

yeah he's fun

just a complete cringefail

[lucid anvil]

I’m sorry, I’m not sure I understand:<

[granite shard]

he's just a loser who fails at everything

and it's fun

[lucid anvil]

Oohhh, right lol

I feel like I know the Housatonic from somewhere…

Hey, yeah! First ship to be sunk by submarine!

[granite shard]

union boat in the civil war right

[lucid anvil]

Mhm, yep!

[real cedar]

Came across another outsource studio on Artstation sharing the work they did in collaboration with Crytek, only started uploading their work 3 weeks ago.
Entangled Studio did concept art going back years, all the way to 2021, and there's some interesting tidbits in how they title their work.
Like this crossbow was indeed made at the same time as the Prodigal Son's equipment, as part of the "Hammered Set". Suggests the concept artists didn't know about the connection to Prodigal, or that the hammered set was co-opted after conception to be his set.
Another funny one was Grotesque's weapons are just titled "Pinhead"

[granite shard]

interesting that the headgear was a later addition to ochenkov's widow

"plague with hat"

neat catch rai!

[gilded umbra]

I have that weapon and use it with The Hornback. It’s awesome.

[real cedar]

Ah there's another one that just started uploading their character models: Little Red Zombies. They made Reaper, Lafitte, Coal Bearer, Prescient, Union Suit, etc.. It's cool how you can track the development of these characters. One studio does concept art, another does model work

[granite shard]

was just about to link that

I wonder if some sort of embargo lifted for them

[real cedar]

Guess so. Entangled uses past tense when talking about working with Crytek, maybe their contract is up

[granite shard]

Yeah that makes sense

[earnest jungle]

So the new hunter is another carnival freak from Post Malone's murder circus

No matter how far we run we just can't escape that clown show

[granite shard]

should hopefully be the last one

it's possible that he was meant to be released in the murder circus timeframe but DLC plans got pushed back

[lucid anvil]

Yeahhh…. I’m really hoping we are done with it, lol. And that it never shows up again. Please, just let me pretend it never happened lmao

Meh…
Biggest hope for me is that we get event lore back, honestly. I really missed it in the last few… and I think the potential story direction could be very cool. Maybe…

Crytek seems to be listening to the community more, so… with any luck, and fingers crossed!

[bold ruin]

I’m not really a fan of the (minimal) lore behind the circus but this new hunter looks insanely cool imo

[granite shard]

hunter looks solid, the circus addition to his backstory just feels unnecessary

[bold ruin]

Id agree there, kinda hoped for a bone doctor connection

[sinful bloom]

I view the circus as like a side side story

Or like the holidays stories

[brazen root]

b plot lmao

[real cedar]

The Louisiana Incident began in late 1893 and ramped up to what we see in-game in 1895 (with one piece of lore pushing the total collapse back to 1893 which doesn't make sense but whatever). The Colorado Incursion began in 1896, with Mammon's Gulch being taken over by August.
The Sculptor and the creation of Incursions goes back centuries, back to the Roman Empire and possibly even further.

[rotund ferry]

So the sculptor is the main antagonist

[real cedar]

Yeah, though it acts more like a natural disaster or cosmic horror than a villain, since its eldritch and has unknown motives.

[rotund ferry]

Ah

[spiral mica]

It's kind of strange she doesn't have a wedding ring on one of her hands

[granite shard]

Mr chary pawned it

[orchid tangle]

so quick question assuming it's something we know, if all the stuff started happening in the 90s, whats up with scrapbeak when going off the trailer. It's implication, imo at least, he gets wounded in battle and I took it as he was kinda left in the grass as a KIA for a bit and got brought somewhere and those amputations occurred and was slowly turned into scrapbeak.

was he just chilling as scrapbeak for 30 years before being relevant or was he a normal dude again walking with weird prosthetics till sculptor came about

[real cedar]

Avis Wyndham survived the civil war after getting his legs blown off. He got some rickety prosthetics and made money as a tinker up until 1895 when his son "got the devil in him" and turned him into Scrapbeak. I'm forgetting the more intricate parts of why the son did it but that's the gist. The louisiana incident had already begun, judging by the son talking about Avis still selling wares and traveling the bayou while near constant gunfire could be heard in the distance.

[orchid tangle]

damn

and here I was thinking he gets dragged away from a field to be experimented on

[spiral mica]

That would probably be a valid explanation too.

[rotund ferry]

Hey correct me on this scrapbeak killed the most hunter right?

[real cedar]

I feel like I've read that somewhere but I can't find it. The 1st and 2nd anniversaries had comprehensive stats put out - the latter labeling the Butcher the deadliest boss before Scrapbeak was added - and As the Crow Flies had some stats, but idk where further stuff is.

[rotund ferry]

Ah I meant more wise

[spiral mica]

I think gameplay and lore wise Assassin and Rotjaw would probably have killed the most people in general, hunters included.

[rotund ferry]

Lore wise I thought it was scrapbeak

[spiral mica]

The Spider is another possibility because if I recall correctly she was designed to hunt down people and monsters that stray too far from the incursion zone. I believe we are to assume that even though in the game the boss targets stay in one place each of them have vastly different behaviors and act upon those instincts accordingly. Scrapbeak will wander to look for shining things and stash them away and guard them sort of like a dragon does in European myth.

[acoustic whale]

isn't the spider a male?

[spiral mica]

Spider is... uh a collection of corpses both male and female presumably.

[acoustic whale]

oh, it looks like a male though when looking at the face

[spiral mica]

I usually play with a lot of people that just refer to Spider as a "she" but it would probably be more appropriate to refer to Spider as an "it" or "them" since it is a collection of many corpses.

[acoustic whale]

yeah i just didn't know it was basically a collection of corpses

[acoustic whale]

what makes you think that

scrapbeak is more of a scavenger

[real cedar]

Chances are it is the deadliest boss if it acts in lore like it does in game

[acoustic whale]

im assuming gameplay and lore are different because ofcourse gameplay wise you'd have to balance the boss and make it challenging to players

but if we talk abilities

it's definitely the assassin

[spiral mica]

Personally I find Rotjaw to be the deadliest because of the way you're forced to fight her. Every other boss you fight on equal terrain in such a way that you would be familiar with, but in Rotjaw's case you fight her in her environment and she has every advantage that you don't.

[acoustic whale]

oh yeah if we're including rot jaw then sure, i was just comparing the 4 main bosses

[granite shard]

Officially, rotjaw is the first boss that’s a she. Valen’s right with the spider probably being an it/they thing since it’s a mass of corpses

But I think bc spiders tend to be more feminized a lot of people go she/her with the spider

[mint wind]

iirc the face of the spider belonged to a girl.

[bold ruin]

Regardless, the face of the spider won’t be moving any more after you introduce it to a cheeky bomb lance

[real dove]

The spiders face is a little girls

Iirc

Hence most calling her she

[tiny plover]

I know its SUPPOSED to be a little girl but like

I really just see the Scream guy

https://tenor.com/view/art-scarface-supernatural-sad-horror-gif-13781057

[spiral mica]

I mean, considering what that little girl must've witnessed before she died it makes sense that her face would be in a perpetual state of terror.

To be perfectly honest it's probably a miracle her face was still intact at all.

[granite shard]

That’s probably one of the welders

That is certainly a welder

Hopefully the brujas will be a little more creative

Oh this could be a skin too bc those are pretty clear welding lines and could be themed around them

[lucid anvil]

Definitely looks like a skin to me, yeah

[real dove]

bigger image off twitter

[rugged harbor]

They look sick, art team cooking as usual

[shy pond]

Who do you think is the US President in Hunt? In theory, Grover Cleveland is starting his 2nd term, but... I'm not saying anything about the Governor of Louisiana.

[tiny plover]

Dude that welding mask is awesome. Gloves, big arms. And deadeye getting some love

[gilded umbra]

The Welder? 🔥

[granite shard]

Looks like it

[lucid anvil]

They almost always do a phenomenal job, yeah.

I’m looking forward to seeing how that guy turns out, actually. It’s certainly a cool theme for an event.

(Also, the fact he’s wearing a welding mask and can still see normally makes me Heh Heh a little)

[real dove]

To be fair: prescient

[lucid anvil]

Fair, fair.

HOWEVER:
counterpoint, they use magic. If welding man doesn’t use magic… I hehe

Awesome design! I just hehe

[gilded umbra]

He’s gonna burn the bayou down with his welding skills and with the AHA as his union. 🔥

[mint wind]

Marshall is going to be pissed.

[noble scarab]

We have actual Pinkertons to take care of that

The detectives are supposed to be Pinkertons, and I think some of the random tiered hunters mentions union breaking

[orchid tangle]

I like that the welder is just straight up a welder as we know them today, I don't think the welding masks existed at this point in history

he looks like a tagilla parody

[real cedar]

It's a bit anachronistic but at the same time it's one of those things where you gotta show what the audience expects, and it's not like it's unfeasible to make in 1896, it just hadn't caught on. Like the Drilling.

[orchid tangle]

I think welding goggles could look badass

[granite shard]

This might also be a way to get the Ned Kelly silhouette for players who really wanted that

[mint wind]

Shhh, you'll bring the frog here.

[supple smelt]

nah, probably the default version of the weapon

[supple smelt]

!nedkelly

[lucid temple]

You have initiated the self-ban sequence, any user below permission level 50 will be banned in 10 seconds.

[real cedar]

It does look pretty default

[supple smelt]

why would they show a skin in the showcase of the default gun

[real cedar]

I still don't get why they needed a new variant name for it. Combining a Precision and Deadeye = Deadeye because of the stock, but combining a Match and Deadeye variant = Sharpeye because of... something else?

[granite shard]

Yeah that’s really confusing to me

I don’t like the new variants for naming of the zoom for different sizes

[real cedar]

Oh wait I think I get it, lemme check the stats

Hmm nope, Bornheim Match has the same sway as Nagant Precision

[mint wind]

We'll see how it goes. Imagine you can switch a deadeye scope.

[real cedar]

That would be amazing

And yet another buff to the Springfield down the line, hopefully

Eh but then also the lebel and berthier...

Guess it would have to stick to just Deadeyes

[granite shard]

There’s also the bullseye which is a deadeye for a pistol

It’s like the centennial shorty pointsman instead of marksman

The two slot deadeyes might become sharpeyes or whatever now I guess

[real cedar]

That one makes sense to me since there's a difference in stats to be aware of, it's not as good as a proper deadeye. But if the stats are the same then it's really confusing

[granite shard]

I just think that for the scopes they should just keep the same name

Bc to me the scope name indicates the zoom level more than anything else

[spiral mica]

I wonder if the Monster hunter will be a part of this "Welder's pact" since he's always struck me as someone who would know how to weld. Mostly because his clothing looks the part.

[real cedar]

Carcass Gunrunner likely connects with em a bit, if his homemade weapons and large muscles are anything to go by

[granite shard]

Doesn’t seem like there’s pacts this event

[real cedar]

There'll be event boosted hunters like usual and they'll be themed in the nature & industry style so it's fair enough to group em as pseudo-pacts

[earnest jungle]

Uh what

[spiral mica]

I'm pretty certain that is a joke message

[earnest jungle]

!NedKelly

[lucid temple]

You have initiated the self-ban sequence, any user below permission level 50 will be banned in 10 seconds.

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I don't believe this server actually has a leveling function so everyone would be below level 50 lol

[granite shard]

That’s what you think

You don’t know the deep dark leveling secrets of the official hunt showdown discord server

That’s a secret you only unlock at level 75

[real cedar]

Clearly we're all still around after the self-ban sequence so we must be above level 50

[granite shard]

It’s like a Mr beast ad read. The initial level gain is fast but it slows way down

Also on a more serious level I was talking w a friend of mine abt hunt bc he might pick the game up sometime soon since his friend gifted it to him

He’s really into robots and that made me think abt how an automaton hunter could work

[real cedar]

There was that one automaton back then, the Mechanical Turk iirc

[granite shard]

I do think that would be an interesting niche for hunt to hit at some point. There’s magic enough in the universe that we could see a magic infused automaton sort of thing

[real cedar]

Oh wow 1770, further back than I thought

[granite shard]

(Magic being the phantom’s prosthetic arm)

I feel like an automaton would be a controversial addition but also if they worked it into the lore it could be really sick

We already have little red riding hood. I bet we could do Pinocchio lmao (I do not want Pinocchio)

[real cedar]

I think it'd be way too hard to explain and since they wouldn't bother explaining it at all it'd feel very out of place. A singular magic prosthetic arm invokes mystery but can be discounted, a fully functioning artificial gunslinger opens up a lot of questions that Hunt isn't going to touch upon as it's Gothic Horror rather than Sci-fi. Hunt's idea of an object-person is body horror crewmates fused to ship parts

Though if they were to ever do something that crazy, I bet they'd use that fuse idea to do a Fullmetal Alchemist style soul in armor/mannequin

[granite shard]

I mean like my initial thought was lynch could do something

Since she made the phantom’s arm and is in the land of the dead, she could fuck around to make someone do her bidding in a way where they couldn’t fuck up her plans as much as the drowned did

[real cedar]

The other part is an automaton wouldn't get to be as cool as it could be with how important standardized sounds are. They'd have Hunter_male_pain.wav and regular movement noises rather than mechanical foley

[granite shard]

Ultimately an automaton isn’t something I’m like “we need this right now” but I think it does have the potential to be sick as hell if done right

Lmao what if there’s an automaton with the welders

They’re using tech and magic or whatever was said in that press release

One welder and one automaton

(This is unlikely but damn what if I called it)

[real cedar]

Please no more dodgeballs

[granite shard]

Lmao

If I’m hit by Apollo’s dodgeball I’d like it to be for the lulu and Sofia wedding event

This summer we get an entire storyline abt their domestic bliss

And also murders

Anyway this is my apology for willing it into existence if we get an automaton with no real explanation this event

[orchid tangle]

I hope they go the fortnite route and all BPs have a "funny" food related skin

[spiral mica]

Have they prosecuted yet for leaking such sensitive information?

[real cedar]

I know this is 4 years late but Part 1 of the Scrapbeak event was called A Murder of Crows cause we all had to kill 42 million crow flocks

10/10 name

[real cedar]

As I'm going through the old events, I came across a piece of forgotten lore. Chary's physical contract, depicted during the Winter Solstice event. I haven't bothered looking at the cursive yet but the Latin on the side is interesting. "Flectere si nequeuo superos. Acheronta movebo" translating to "I will move Acheron. If I cannot, I will bow to the gods."

[mint wind]

Chary is a silly goober.

[real cedar]

Ah, I went too literal with the translation and thought the sentences were backwards.
Of course it's a real quote. It's a quote from Virgil in the Aeneid. It's more like "If I cannot bend the will of those above, I shall move those below"

[granite shard]

Wow that cursive is hard to read

[real cedar]

Chary knows how to inflict all kinds of pain

[sinful bloom]

some notes in game that are in cursive are hard to read so pixelated

[lucid anvil]

Hey- anyone know when fort Carmic was abandoned?

[real cedar]

It was decommissioned in 1885 according to The History of Fort Carmick

[lucid anvil]

Brilliant, thank you :)

[lucid anvil]

Well.. I have done some digging, and I believe I may have finally found what the artillery pieces we find around the Fort are supposed to be based on.

https://udemancipationproject.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/parrott-2.png

this is a 200 pounder Parrott gun, in use against fort Sumter.

And this is an example of the guns we find atop fort Carmick.

There are naturally differences… but, from what I have been able to find, this is the most likely base. Someone has probably figured the whole thing out ages ago, but I rather enjoyed myself.

[granite shard]

And there’s our look at one of the brujas

From twit

Big fan of that gun skin

[real cedar]

Poor Specter Carbine Aperture, got forgotten while the new girl gets a skin immediately

[granite shard]

God if this event starts next week when I’m out of the country I’m gonna be big sad lmao

[real cedar]

OH

That's really clever

The melted wax on the gun, the whole thing is used as a stamp

[granite shard]

oh interesting. my thought was candle wax

[real cedar]

Probably, just the silencer at the end reminds me of those cylindrical presses for creating designs

[mint wind]

I'd say it looks more like a desacralized fancy weapon that has been "blessed" by the use of candles on it.

[granite shard]

either way I'm a fan of it

[mint wind]

It do be gud.

[granite shard]

I'm not a big fan of the theme reuse but I wouldn't be mad about it going across some different guns

deffo confirms the gun from yesterday being a skin too

[noble scarab]

I bet we get more day of the deal themed guns

Also I wonder if they’ll do the skin repetition thing, meaning that we’ll get the rest if the carbine variants as that skin

[orchid tangle]

I'm glad we're back to getting skins of weapons added in the same update

[rugged harbor]

I love the look of this one

I hope they keep doing skins in similar styles together because I LOVE this carbine skin

Both ornate and occult, perfect vibes

[spiral mica]

Are those peacock feathers?

[earnest jungle]

Some kind of bird feather or flower

[leaden root]

That skin is fire, too bad silenced weapons are getting nerfed dmg

[granite shard]

the theme will likely be used across a few different weapons

[ember halo]

I hope we get some cool guns with the same theme

I love the witch/ornate theme

My wishlist is a haymaker, a shotgun, and a berthier/lebel.

But this would be a miracle probably

[mint wind]

I wonder if they'll release more springfield compact skins, or Scotty precision skins too...

Highly unlikely, because barely anyone plays them, but one can hope...

[spiral mica]

Yeah, they look like peacock feathers 🦚

Also, I notice some similarities between that new 1865 silencer and the Duke's contract skin for the Winfield shorty.

[granite shard]

My thought is embroidery

Or beadwork

[torn light]

The wax on the silencer is a bit of an interesting design choice but I'm assuming it's for some sort of flavor

[real cedar]

I wonder if it used to look different but then its owner fired it a bunch

[real cedar]

Better view of the Obrez Match. I'm 50/50 on this being the base skin or a legendary skin

[granite shard]

with all of the welding lines I'm gonna assume legendary

[real cedar]

That's why I'm 50/50 on it, but on the other hand... who the hell would pay for that as a skin?

[orchid tangle]

a skin to rival the vagrant

[granite shard]

it's probs gonna be a BP skin

god knows we've had some pretty big stinkers on BPs in the past lol

[ember halo]

Yeah that's a BP skin, I'll bet a Fifield quarter

[foggy matrix]

Hey there. The cannons are actually 8in double-banded Brooke Rifles. They were a Confederate design and were used for coastal defense or on Confederate warships during the Civil War.

[lucid anvil]

Huh. And here I thought I knew my guns…
I have no idea how you people do it, lol
Thanks for the correction.

I need to see about learning how to do proper research, tbh. I’m sure there’s a better method than what I do, but I havent learnt it just yet, haha

[foggy matrix]

It is a little difficult given the varying types of guns around the time. A good way to approach it is figure out what it is being used for or what it might have been used for and then look for details mentioning it.

Also I figured they were not Parrott guns because of how short the barrel is and the two barrel bands. Also since Fort Carmick is in Louisiana, I figured there really would not be Parrotts there and that surplused or captured Confederate artillery would better serve the fort

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ginger-billy-i-knew-it-knew-it-called-it-right-gif-19057684

[spiral mica]

Those welders need some more training I think

[narrow hound]

since they showed the silenced carbine with a skin I'm very sure that this is a skin aswell

[smoky basalt]

I would

[spiral mica]

This is kind of what I was thinking as well. It's definitely a more simplistic looking skin if it is one, and it gives me Closed Casket vibes for the Obrez mace with all the weld marks, nails and metallic bits attached to it.

As for why the supposed skin appears to be on the simpler side I think that's partly due to the fact that players have been asking for a more basic and clean approach to cosmetic appearance when it comes to weapons and hunters, and I feel like that desire has only been amplified since the murder circus event. I think a good chunk of players kind of miss when the game was essentially just cowboys and monsters.

Personally I don't mind a simpler theme for weapon and hunter skins, but I'm also not totally against the more detailed and ornamental themes. For example, I really enjoyed the nautical themes that came with the tide events. I think given what we currently know about this next upcoming event that we'll be seeing a lot of welding related stuff including the weapon skins which I assume will have lots of metallic pieces and weld marks on them.

[short patio]

A skin for cain

[real dove]

https://youtu.be/9NfxhFYOPXc

[earnest jungle]

That deck of cards

[real dove]

True deck appearing? Omo

Also, no lynch

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-so-awesome-eric-cartman-south-park-s7e13-butt-out-gif-22198948

[earnest jungle]

I’m still holding out hope she’ll get a nod or two in whatever scraps of lore/narrative we’re given for this event

[upbeat kiln]

hm

about that

White hair and black eyes in this one frame?

[real dove]

lynch is not a bruja

[gilded umbra]

Was the trailer shared too early or something? 🤔

It was so cool. 😎

Nevermind, it’s back.

[real dove]

i think they had to unprivate it

[earnest jungle]

Lynch was described as having Platinum Blond Hair like Circe

This could still be lynch in disguisse using a charm or having stolen someone else's skin but I doubt it

[granite shard]

I think it would be really shitty to have lynch take on the form of indigenous latina brujas

I don’t think they’d do that

[earnest jungle]

I don't think Lynch is going to appear directly in this event but I do think they might do some planting and foreshadowing kind of like what they did with Tide of Shadows

[real dove]

I'm holding no breath that we will see any kind of lynch anything with this. The witches here seem like the "good side"

We will see i guess

but

eh

[earnest jungle]

Well I can be delusional if I want to

All of us chose what to believe and I chose to believe there will be some kind of oblique reference or nod to lynch

[granite shard]

I think that if there’s any sort of narrative it’s going to be incredibly limited in scope due to the way that Nicolette was only just rehired for hunt and the team is still so small

I think expecting lynch will be setting yourself up for disappointment

[spiral mica]

Somebody said the witches have the magic of 6* lobbies lol

I really like the Welder hunter skins. I'm wondering what the rest of the hunter skins will look like this event such as the witches.

[gilded umbra]

I said that on You Tube. 🤠

Witches have 6 MMR 🪄

[spiral mica]

Lmao that was your comment?

Hilarious

[gilded umbra]

Yup 😂

[spiral mica]

Their bullets will magically find their targets like they're Mjolnir or Gungnir.

[upbeat kiln]

No but she also throws tarot cards! Like Lynch 😄

[spiral mica]

I know next to nothing about the Bruja so I don't even know if her using tarot cards is accurate.

Maybe she'll imbue them with kinetic energy and throw them at people like Gambit in X-men.

[gilded umbra]

Bruja hunters using Shadow Leap would look amazing.

[ember halo]

Am I insane, I thought she had black eyebrows not eyes

[granite shard]

I'd say that for the bruja in that image her eyes are also not black there but more like a silver

imo she just feels more like a grandma

maybe the brujas will be grandma/great aunt and granddaughter/niece?

bc the silencer image the person in the bg seemed like she had darker hair

yeah this is a younger woman

[orchid tangle]

The narrative is the hunters are so silly they forgot their maps at home so the bruja helps them with her cards to show them the way to a supply point for a medkit

I'll take it over circus

[noble scarab]

Someone on reddit suggested that they’re all variants of the same person again

Welders too

[granite shard]

I doubt they'd do such a gap in age with the same person

the variants all are just different outfits largely, not spanning across decades

more likely to be two separate people in both cases

[noble scarab]

Fingers crossed

[granite shard]

maybe they're both an older relative and a younger relative? like the welders could be a father and son and the brujas a (grand)mother and (grand)daughter

[noble scarab]

I like the idea behind the welders too, it feels like a potential link to the backers mentioned in scorched earth

[orchid tangle]

I kinda like how aggressive they are in the trailer, it's funny to me
idk why, it's well in character, but I'm just imagining a group of welders showing up not saying a word and just coming at you like a resident evil tyrant till one of you is dead

[granite shard]

blurb from the site

[earnest jungle]

I know some of the old writers/designers were Neo-Pagans/Wicca/Witches (I forget the finer details 😖) I could see them doing something like that

The Tripple Goddess/Virgin, Mother, Crone Arhetype is a thing

[granite shard]

"their healing plants" makes me more solid on they're not the same person

[earnest jungle]

true

[granite shard]

also I think that puts the nail in the lynch coffin lol

[orchid tangle]

unite against the corruption

[earnest jungle]

Yeah Lynch is definitely not going to make an appearance; I still think there might be an easter egg reference or allusion to her. I mean it seems like it would be a waste to have an event focused around witches with no mention to either her or Circe.

[orchid tangle]

did scultpor get more powerful randomly or something

[granite shard]

eh I don't think this is the sculptor getting more powerful, it's just that previously their area had been relatively untouched

and now they're forced to take action in a way they previously hadn't

also like I would much rather them have a solid plan for an event story if they want to bring lynch in instead of shoehorning things into an event that was likely planned significantly before the thought of "hey maybe we shouldn't completely destroy the lore" came to mind

[faint nimbus]

Pack it up lynch fans we’ll try again next event

[granite shard]

lynch is sick as hell. I don't want them to force lynch stuff into things that weren't initially planned bc there's a bigger story there that rushing would screw over

[orchid tangle]

this event seems like random world building to me... not thats bad, just saying methinks this'll be another very small narrative event whilst they get the writers back into shape

[faint nimbus]

that’s true but it would’ve been nice to see her again since it’s been a while, the last couple events have been completely unique storylines which is awesome but I like tie ins with existing charecters to keep the world feeling cohesive

[orchid tangle]

so I doubt we'll get chapters or anything

[granite shard]

yeah it's going to be small. I'm not expecting more than like a blog post or two

the last couple events have had the bare minimum of storylines because the writers were essentially all fired

[orchid tangle]

I have to go on a weekend long training after the event comes out grrrrr, people are gonna get the grande mosin before me and I'm gonna get destroyed

[granite shard]

like we gotta understand what's at play here in terms of staffing and timelines -- scorched earth was likely written before the layoffs happened. after scorched earth there were 2-3 people on the team (a writer, an editor, and a lead), we don't know how many writers came back to hunt from crysis 4 and how many were fully laid off, but it's possible the only one back is nicolette and this is a new development

[faint nimbus]

I wonder if there are other weapon variants cause there’s usually 4 right? So 2 “new” mosins a silenced 1865 and what else?

[orchid tangle]

it might just be that since smaller event

[granite shard]

if they return to big event storylines, we likely won't see anything until this summer, and I think that's less likely than the end of the year

[orchid tangle]

this event doesn't really interest me but xp boons yayy

[granite shard]

I like the brujas

I'm gonna be out of the country when it launches

[orchid tangle]

I'm gonna be in some forest camp being yelled at

[faint nimbus]

I really like the idea of different factions fighting over something, magic vs technology is a cool concept to me

[granite shard]

missing the freja overwatch test weekend and the hunt event launch

[faint nimbus]

But sadly im not a huge fan of the welders cause they feel a little too anachronistic with their masks at least the one guy

[orchid tangle]

I like the look of the young one if she's a skin I'll def play her
usually I side with the industrial side of the events because I like normal "civilized" people being greedy over demons but I do not vibe with the welders

their armor should not exist they should be naked

[granite shard]

I think the welders look super boring but also I'm significantly less interested in male hunters than I am female hunters

[orchid tangle]

it took me like 5 scrolls between images to notice the difference between them

[brazen root]

do we know that both welders are male tho

[faint nimbus]

Hopefully the battle pass is a 50/50 split and both the welder dudes aren’t all while the brujas are stuck in the shop

[granite shard]

it would be cool if one's a woman but if the witches are both women then it's likely the welders will be men

I WOULD FUCKING RIOT IF THE BRUJAS ARE IN THE SHOP

I'm so fucking tired of the female hunters being shop only

[orchid tangle]

maybe they'll be a DLC you can only get once the event ends

[granite shard]

I want them on BPs and in DLCs again

[orchid tangle]

you finally get female dlc!!!

[granite shard]

in six years I'll get a female DLC again (::::

it's just so fustrating bc DLCs are the best bang for your buck

[faint nimbus]

How long has it been since the last female dlc?

[orchid tangle]

female DLC and it's a woman in an animal skull mask that put it on because she went crazy and likes to hurt people now

[granite shard]

almost two years since the last DLC of a woman that doesn't include a man

[brazen root]

the red riding hood skins were just so fucking cool that i had to instabuy them even tho they were shop skins

[granite shard]

may 2023 was the bone mason

[faint nimbus]

Damn that really was 2 years ago

[granite shard]

we've had snare and morrigan but they're both in DLC packs with men

yeah

[faint nimbus]

and the last 2 Bps were all dudes

[granite shard]

I get that they've slowed down the pace of DLC but it's so frustrating having it be so long between DLCs now and it's a man

yup (::::

[orchid tangle]

remove both clowns of the last one and put giggles and annie in their place

[granite shard]

like the unfortunate fact of it is that it's likely due to people being more willing to spend money on the female hunters

but it's so ass! I love supporting hunt but I just want to be able to get cool women for a better price

[faint nimbus]

Because of that they’ll charge more for a new female skin with 2 variants rather than having one come with the Bp or a reasonably priced dlc

[orchid tangle]

I don't pay attention to skins well enough recently to know what its like now but a few years back female skins were just better

[brazen root]

the way they've showcased the brujas so heavily makes me hopeful that they actually are BP skins, the same way pumpkinhead and ye olde malone were featured in event promo material

[granite shard]

my issue with some of the recent female hunter skins are their faces are like

too pretty

[orchid tangle]

sofia, lulu, gunslinger, etc
way better than copy paste psycho man

[granite shard]

like compare red hood's face to lulu's

her eyes are a lot bigger and just her features are a lot more just pretty woman

[brazen root]

probably largely owed to her being younger but yea

[faint nimbus]

I’ve thought that but I felt weird actually saying it

[granite shard]

idk something I've really enjoyed about hunt's female designs is the way they weren't afraid to take risks with how they look

I don't want my hunters to look like they have iphones

[faint nimbus]

Thankfully grandma Bruja looks good

[granite shard]

yeah

we'll see what comes this patch. maybe there'll be another DLC hunter who comes out during the event and it's a woman

I'll finally get to shut the fuck up about it

eventually crytek is going to drop a female DLC just to get me to shut up

[faint nimbus]

also I don’t know how to preface this but in the same vain the new trailers make the hunters look too good if that makes sense like they look almost shiny since the 1896 trailer

[granite shard]

they're very HD

[orchid tangle]

that's been working out well for the ned kelly boat

[granite shard]

I feel like the welders are kinda hitting that ned kelly look

[faint nimbus]

That one welder looks very Ned Kelly

I know it’s not coming back but the pre pact pledged hunters were cool to see who’s apart of what faction cause now I could guess who’s apart of the welders and whos joining the brujas

[gilded umbra]

I remember that, I liked already having some of the pledged hunters in my collection.

[spiral mica]

The one on the left in the trailer definitely gives off Ned Kelly vibes, but his headpiece isn't a full helmet like Ned Kelly's is. I also think these two skins could possibly be like Grotesque: Gouge and Shank where they're the same exact person with a different appearance.

[real cedar]

Surely they wouldn't put them both in the same place in a trailer if they're the same person. Showing them off in a static image is one thing but the Blackwell trio shot em both

[spiral mica]

I think this because look at the placement of the bullet sash around the apron and the belt buckles.

[real cedar]

Eh, same thing happens with the Corvids

[spiral mica]

Yeah, initially I would've thought the same thing, but then I remembered back in the new skin showcase video for the scorched earth event. They showed Shade: Drifter and Highnoon separately, and then they showed Gouge and Shank side by side. I think that's what confused a lot of people, including myself, into thinking that Gouge and Shank were two different instead of one person in a different outfit.

[spiral mica]

Yes, I also won't deny the possibility that it could also be a Corvid situation where they have similar textures and prop placement, but their masks help indicate that they're actually two different people.

[granite shard]

with the way that it's "bruja duo" and "the welders" I don't think they're gonna be the same people

my guess is grandmother/granddaughter and father/son for the two duos

[spiral mica]

That's a pretty good observation. If that's the case I'd like the welders a lot more because it's reminiscent of the relationship between Reptilian and Ward.

[granite shard]

I do think it's funny that we have literal magical witches in the world of hunt and then we still have hedgewitches like the brujas

[real cedar]

Makes sense if they learned their trade from a true witch and carried the tradition down the line

Perhaps women like that were the innocents that the Witch Hunter DLC blurb mentioned died at Salem

[granite shard]

possible, plus the innocent women who were killed in salem in our universe too

I'm still not entirely sure if we'll be getting any sort of narrative with this event. yeah the press release from today sounds like it's indicating there being some form of a story, but harvest of ghosts had the same sort of thing

[spiral mica]

For the Bruja duo do we know what the supposed granddaughter looks like or just the grandmother from the trailer and promotional material?

[granite shard]

she's also probably the one from the silencer preview

[spiral mica]

Also I'm not so certain if this Bruja duo will have much relation if any at all to Salem Massachusetts and the Witch hunter stuff.

[granite shard]

I doubt they'll have any. brujas are more of an indigenous latino thing

I think rai meant more like the hedgewitch aspect as opposed to brujas

[high stone]

Nedd Kellie finally made it in, huh?

[spiral mica]

I feel like this time around they're probably trying to go for something different, and I also don't really think the Bruja that speaks to Blackwell and his trio in the trailer is supposed to be Lynch despite her white hair and dark eyes.

[high stone]

And a guy carrying his whole welding torch kit…

Don’t like the witch either, more over-curated costume design…ohwellohwell

You think the white haired witch is a concession for no Lynch, ever?

[granite shard]

I doubt it

I think it's just that she's an old lady

i think we'll get lynch in some form in the future

[gilded umbra]

I’m glad the lore is back. 📚

[real cedar]

Nah, they keep hinting at her so I think she's still in play. Her knife shows up twice, now the tarot cards in the trailer.
Of course maybe it's all coincidence but there's a reason to hope

[ember halo]

Maybe BB hunter

[high stone]

Hmm, maybe. There are more than a few of the “sort-of-but-not-really” Hunter skins the last few years (like Not Ned Kelly), so its seems like they’d go more in that direction of “good enough for the loudmouthed fans”

Doesn’t matter

[high stone]

Is the lore back in game or still just online?

[earnest jungle]

online

[high stone]

Bew

[spiral mica]

Wayward Helmsman was technically Hunt's Ned Kelly.

Now we're just getting something more thematically appropriate when it comes to the whole welded makeshift armor.

[gilded umbra]

It’s just online for now but I hope it gets back inside the game.

[real cedar]

I was combing the trailer for skin additions and I noticed the Welder uses the Spirit of Yule firebomb. Guess it looked better than the default one? I wouldn't expect it to return or anything

He uses Copperhead as well, this guy is an OG

[spiral mica]

He's got good taste if you ask me.

[real cedar]

Not too much in the way of new skin additions being teased. Caitlyn is a baller for choosing to dual wield uppercuts at the end though

[spiral mica]

Is the little twirl that Caitlyn did with the dual conversions at the end normal or is that a new inspection animation?

[orchid tangle]

the reddit seems to be enjoying the brujas so far

[real cedar]

All it takes for some people is a hime cut

[spiral mica]

[orchid tangle]

I'm gonna crash out if I see one more "but theres zombies in the game" as a rebuttal to historical existence arguments

[real cedar]

Could be an inspect animation or it could be little flair for the trailer

[orchid tangle]

I'm hoping it's an inspect

I'm a little disappointed they used the fake surrender trick on the sparks pistol

classic western tale and it's put on a mini rifle sadface

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I hope it's an inspect too.

The only pistol inspect we've got so far is the false surrender for the sparks.

[real cedar]

If it is, I wonder if it'll be just for certain dualies or if they'll open it up to most pistol pairs

Fair amount of work if it's the latter

but getting to do half of a Revolver Ocelot with Pax dualies would be fun

[spiral mica]

I would think if they could they'd make it for multiple different pistols since you could essentially twirl most of the revolvers in the game like that.

[gilded umbra]

Every event is a lesson 📚

[orchid tangle]

I keep watching the trailer trying to understand what's going on to the black guy (I forget his name)
right after he gets the first welder off of the veteran guy something hurts him

but the other welder is only JUST coming into the door with a firebomb

it looks like the evil dead pov demon thing

I hope it's not like some weird dark sight way to damage people

[rugged harbor]

I believe his name is Justin Pierce, but I’ve always called him Preston Garvey from fallout

[orchid tangle]

justin is one of the bloodbond hunters

[supple smelt]

Vincent Hayes?

lemme go find him

[orchid tangle]

yeah it's vincent

[supple smelt]

vinson hayes

that's why I kept messing up his first name

Ik what you mean though, I saw it as a trailer thing with him being damaged by the witches in some way

[orchid tangle]

I'm just so confused what hit him because the second welder isn't even INSIDE whilst he gets hit by something weird

[supple smelt]

I don't think it means anything gameplay wise

[orchid tangle]

I don't think it'd be the witches because it'd be weird to start bleeding a guy out while going on about a time of healing but maybe

all I know is crytek loves to add one really OP trait in their events

[granite shard]

We know the traits for the event

Blademancer, gunrunner, and the dark sight loot one

[orchid tangle]

I thought there was one set that wasn't revealed

must've misread

[granite shard]

They’re not doing pacts so that’s it I believe

[spiral mica]

What is the dark sight loot one?

[granite shard]

Where you get dark sight when looting a body

Corpse seer?

[real cedar]

Corpse Seer, ye

[high stone]

What?

[zenith perch]

Do we know all the weapons getting skins?

[real cedar]

The three new additions Obrez Match, Obrez Sharpeye, and Specter Carbine Silencer are each getting a skin, then there's three others shown here ^

[zenith perch]

What's the obrez match?

[real cedar]

It's a Mosin Obrez, but with a stock and a longer barrel. Seemingly still 2-slot

[zenith perch]

So it's a carbine?

[real cedar]

It's an abomination

A carbine makes it sound like it's meant to be that way

[zenith perch]

Truly a Hunt Showdown moment

I'm excited to try the Spencer Carbibe silencer

Can't wait to not hit anything

[orchid tangle]

I'm excited for xp boons

thats about it

[real cedar]

Yup, time to speed through some prestiges with PvE collection rounds to max out hunters. Hopefully watch towers and supply points still have em

[orchid tangle]

this guy gets it

[real cedar]

It was a real shame when they took em out of hunting towers, it was like a fun loot box when you saw the glow in a tower and went up to find out if it's a four shot or xp boon

[orchid tangle]

it was always a four shot :(

[spiral mica]

Yeah, he's a smuggler, outlaw and gang leader like Ned Kelly, He's Australian like Ned Kelly, and he wears makeshift armor of his own design like Ned Kelly. There are a lot of similarities between Wayward Helmsman and Ned Kelly.

[orchid tangle]

I really with helmsman didn't have the helm though tbh

his skin looks great other than it imo

[noble scarab]

I know they didn’t mention any but it’d be cool if we got another round of old hunters to level up

[fickle sluice]

have you noticed the little mushrooms on the maps? 😄

[spiral mica]

@fickle sluice yep!

[rotund ferry]

Hey y’all

Is that lady in the trailer the witch in lore?

[real cedar]

Nope, she's a Bruja. Capital W Witches in the Hunt universe are proper monsters that take people's skin to wear, while what we'd call witches in our world take on different names in the Hunt universe based on where they're from and what sort of practices they adhere to. Seers, Shamans, Conjurers, Rootworkers, etc.
There's a chance that Lynch has some connection to the Bruja Duo, but that's yet to be discovered.

[rotund ferry]

Huh?

[orchid tangle]

the brujas would be like how witches are in most media
witches in hunt are fucked up monsters pretending to be human, if by "the witch in lore" you mean Lynch that's def not her

[real cedar]

With that new blogpost there's this wallpaper in the background. It confirms that the skin for the 1865 Carbine Silencer is an agnostic one, as this image has the Aperture variant

[granite shard]

Did the press releases mention an event compound?

That building looks like it could be one but they might just have it for promo image purposes

[real cedar]

No compound, just a Rare Supply Point this time. It is interesting that it's the same building as from the initial teaser image

[granite shard]

Huh, interesting they’d make that asset just for teasers

[orchid tangle]

have they explained what rare supply point means

like is it only one or is it unmarked

[orchid tangle]

as much as overgrowth is really cool they might not wanna add it because the amount of people already annoyed with bush camping

[granite shard]

lol true

[spiral mica]

I hope DeSalle returns sometime during the event.

[granite shard]

I’d bet against it

More likely we see it in the summer

[spiral mica]

You're probably right

I just miss my favorite map

[granite shard]

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-my-wife-tails-i-miss-her-a-lot-sonic-the-hedgehog-snapcube-eggman-gif-27436480

[orchid tangle]

good thing my factually correct opinion is the best compounds are scupper lake and nicholls and I already got those back

[granite shard]

Respectfully

Are you okay

[orchid tangle]

listen

scupper is such a terrible compound

which makes for the funniest weird fights

I love it

nicholls I just can play pretty much any weapon I like fine and prisons are cool it's where my future lies

[granite shard]

I like bird jail a lot

I feel like it took nicholls and made it a good compound

[orchid tangle]

alice is pretty up there in chaos for me too

[gilded umbra]

I like Deadfall Timber 🪵

[rotund ferry]

Like how bad

[orchid tangle]

wdym

[rotund ferry]

Like the witches how bad are they?

[granite shard]

Pretty bad

[rotund ferry]

Ah ok

I don’t know the lore on them

[granite shard]

I’d check out the lore doc pinned in the channel

You can check out the stuff on lynch

[spiral mica]

Tbf I'd take Scupper and Nicholas over Cyprus and Alain's.

[orchid tangle]

I like cyprus

[spiral mica]

I have lots of issues with Cyprus and by extension all of Stillwater Bayou.

[noble scarab]

I honestly don’t know how the game survived with only Stillwater as a map. Maybe that’s why it stayed small at first

That map has +/- 5 ok ish compounds?

Maybe less

[spiral mica]

Alice, Darrow, Lumber, Healing-waters and Ranch are all good compounds. The rest have some issues. Blanchett Graves is a little bit better since the rework, and Scupper is still not great, but it's a lot better than what it was.

The only corner compound I can tolerate on Stillwater is Catfish grove, and even then it's still not a desirable compound for me. The problem with Stillwater is a lot of the compounds are surrounded by open water and several compounds have a deep underground area where people usually sit and wait for the duration of the match.

It's just a very stagnate map which I guess is fitting since it is named "Stillwater."

[noble scarab]

Slaughter isn’t bad either, tho it feels disjointed between it basically being divided into 3 parts

The White House, the barn, and the fence at the back

[high stone]

Ok, lots of similarities except the most important one

[spiral mica]

and that would be?

[spiral mica]

Right, I forgot about slaughter house it's not that bad.

[high stone]

Having the same appearance as the IRL person’s armored outfit

[spiral mica]

Oh well yeah of course. That's why I said earlier that now we're finally getting something more thematically appropriate when it comes to the makeshift armor that Ned Kelly and his associates wore. These new welder hunters will definitely capture that iconic appearance that many people have wanted in a hunter since the game first launched all those years ago.

[warped shale]

Is there a lore reason for clash/soul survivor?

[real cedar]

There is for Soul Survivor, not so much for Clash.
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/a-communique-for-all-hunters

[warped shale]

Are there any hunters specifically that have been soul survivors?

A how does a hunter become “damned”?

Doesn’t seem to be tied to actually dying

[real cedar]

No idea, this little blurb is all we get so you have to really hammer at it to try and get it to fit into the larger idea of the Hunt.
It may be related to how Tier 3 Hunters tend to look diseased in a way, beyond just muddy. Like the Hunt is taking its toll but not in the usually Corruptive way.
There's no other mentions of Soul Survivor or wellsprings in the rest of the lore, no hunters who survived it.

The QnA suggests that it's just dying and coming back:

Q: Are the damned souls in quickplay hunters that already died then? And the Wellspring is a chance for them to resurrect?
Hearn A: Yes! Hunters get a chance at salvation - but Damned is sort of evocative```

[fossil tide]

It's far fetched, but maybe Soul Survivor takes place whenever a Hunter is downed and waiting a revive?

Could explain why a Hunter can walk off a Sparks shot

idk how to explain the thought process

[warped shale]

Wait so do other hunters that canonically died have a shot to come back then?

Like how beast hunter died in tide of desolation

Me just gotta survive the gulag

ig self revive through the wellspring necro and drowned are all different

[granite shard]

Beast master died in a trailer

Trailers tend to not be canon accurate

[spiral mica]

Is it true that Immolators are former hunters, and that's why your hunter burns up and collapses when you lose Soul Survivor?

[real dove]

no

the first immo was a preacher who was beaten to death

well

beaten to immolation

the rest are copies

[spiral mica]

Yeah I get that part, but I'm talking about all the subsequent Immolators. Are they really all copies of that one original preacher?

Also, what was the preachers name if he has one?

I think he was also the original owner of the Black Hand skin for the Rival.

[real dove]

look in the immo lore

Pretty sure it's there

And yes

they are copies

[noble scarab]

I think his name was Jeremiah something, it’s in the lore sheets tho

I tend to think soul survivor isn’t them being dead, it’s a physically affliction and the rifts are appearing in the bayou and Colorado as clues do, just at different times than clues and bosses

Huff talks about that in the into to soul survivor

They can siphon the energy off the hunters once they are back and use it for something

[high stone]

I guess. Ned Kelly armor is a stretch for Hunting, 1930s welding gear and acetylene torch is a reach around the corner. It doesn’t seem like there’s any point in talking about that part of Hunt’s visuals anymore, though

[warped shale]

what bothers me is less historical accuracy but the point of it

like the one armored guy is neat

but an entire faction absent around a single profession?

Should’ve been a union of various labor workers

[real cedar]

The press release mentions that they've got some kind of industrial occult practices so I think it's similar to the Brujas where there's more than the Welders themselves in the group, but the name stuck because welding was incredibly new and the occult stuff on top of it makes the lead practitioners very noteworthy to Hunters.

[warped shale]

Eh the character design definitely leans into it being only welders I wish diversity of design was built more into the faction

Father industrialism vs Mother Nature is a cool concept

Maybe we’ll see more varied industrial skins soon

I think the one big armored Kelly guy would’ve been enough welders

[real cedar]

Two of them isn't that much, the rest of the group probably looks more normal

[warped shale]

Prolly get like a wood mill worker a sailer a locomotive engineer a butcher

[real cedar]

It's like the Demented, we see all the crazies front and center but there's also more regular cutlists off screen

[warped shale]

just take inspiration from the actual professions that would’ve been in the map pre corruption

[real cedar]

Most of those aren't related to what the Welders do though, they specifically fix up gear for Hunters, similar to supply groups that follow behind armies

It would be cool to see a more tinker hunter though

[warped shale]

figured they’d be a bunch of blue collar workers fighting corruption to get there jobs back

There’s a ton of industrial stuff in the corruption zones so figured it’d be based off the actual compounds

[real cedar]

The press release describes the intent a bit better:

The Event story sees The Brujas, masters of organic mysticism, face a crisis as the Corruption poisons their healing plants. Meanwhile, the Welders, reliant on industrial occult practices, find their minds warped by blood-soaked metal. Initially at odds, these factions are forced to unite against the Corruption, forming an uneasy alliance as they fight for survival.```

[warped shale]

I just pray we see other industrial themed skins

Please give me a miner and a locomotive engineer

and a sawmill worker

[high stone]

I don’t understand your logic here but I know it’s fucking hard to see anything through the welding lens on a mask even in daylight, and an acetylene tank pack must weight 40 lbs at least. It’s more vibes focused visual design for the post-Post era.

[warped shale]

Wdym

“I don’t see your logic here”

I want the Industrial themed faction to have profession themed skins other then welding

[high stone]

Why would there be a union of trade workers

[warped shale]

to reclaim there jobs and land

If you where a tradesmen and the corruption took your job your wife your kids and your home

[high stone]

Whatever

[warped shale]

You’d prolly want to do something to get it back

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-6291937884935153335

[high stone]

Uh i think they would move

To somewhere with jobs. But they are probably dead

[warped shale]

the hunt is a job in of itself

[high stone]

Alright

[zenith perch]

we still need a spider hunter

[real cedar]

I think the Demented are nearly dead at this point but anything's possible

[zenith perch]

i refuse

Demented are the best faction

[warped shale]

I mean if your someone tough enough to work steel lumber or rail and something takes your home and your family your probably gonna try to take it back or suicidally seek revenge

We already have hunters that fit this with the rednecks and all

[high stone]

Why do you think the workers weren’t right in the middle of a plagued area, right along with their spouses and kids

[warped shale]

what

that’s what I said

that they where in the corrupted zones when it went off

and survived like red neck did

steel workers are fucking built different

[high stone]

Oh, i bet they wouldn’t survive

[noble scarab]

Vision wise about 1/4 or so of the roster are missing an eye, or are wearing something that makes them basically blind. Skulls, cloaks, pelts, sacks, etc so I don’t think our welders would be the most vision challenged overall

[warped shale]

They could always just smash the glass or somethin

[high stone]

It just looks cool, buy the skin! Buy it!!

[noble scarab]

After post I’m just glad they look hunt related

[warped shale]

Tbf posts skin was good

[real cedar]

It does look cool tbh, unlike a lot of recent skins. It'd fit right in with most of the old roster, except for the extra amount of baubles they have. OG Hunters traveled light

Looking at the trailer again, there's something weird with Welder 2's arms. Are those tattoos and soot, or corruption?

Ahh it is tattoos, I start to see a pattern in em

[warped shale]

It would be blacker if it was oil/ welding dirt

Also bro welding in short sleeves

[real cedar]

Could be doing other blacksmithing as well

[noble scarab]

His one tattoo looks snake-ish

[warped shale]

When my dad was still steel working he’d come home and leave a black outline in his chair

Can’t imagine steel working in the 1800s was any cleaner

[high stone]

It’s still very “kewl” video game style, where it’s hard to pass a low bar realism test…it’s ok if you like, I think it has less impact

And, it is pretty far from 1895 gear

[noble scarab]

How volatile are those gas packs he’s wearing? Buddy might would get blown up in his first fight

[high stone]

Acetylene is angry

Quick look on google, it looks like they used carbon arc welding in the 1890s, it’s a big machine

[real cedar]

The one unique part of that time period is that it was the wild west of industry, people would fashion unique ways of doing everything from guns to mouse traps. Even if the welding mask didn't get properly made and mass produced until the 1930s, someone would still have the ability to make a personal one if they wanted to, though less effective. That gives Hunt more leeway in depicting things that were more prevalent in later decades

Like The Conspirator has a 1920s IMCO trench lighter strapped to his rifle but the requirements to create it were solved in the early 1800s, it just hadn't been made cause it didn't need to until WW1

[warped shale]

Hm might be other welding gases like argon

[high stone]

Sure, that can be true in Hunt, but these are also in the “outsourced character art” group, and I think the simplest explanation is the artists aren’t too bothered with trying to be strict about that stuff any longer, things like the IMCO, WWII style pouches on the Fire marshall etc etc

[warped shale]

reminder that hunt is alternate reality

and the masks worn by the welders are prolly home made

[high stone]

I’m pretty sure it’s not, or wasnt

[warped shale]

Other then the horde of the undead there’s a lot of technological differences too

[real cedar]

You're definitely right on both parts, though I think the outsource artists still get a lot of pointers from the Crytek Art Leads on what they want.
I'm ok overall with them getting things wrong here and there in service of the overall theme. A lot of it is working with visual language, and if regular, non-history buffs don't clock that something is off then the design is a success.
The "They could've made it at the time so it's alright" argument only goes so far with visual language though. Something as simple as a Brodie hlemet should never show up in Hunt cause it's a symbol of a different age.

[spiral mica]

They look like brands to me actually.

[warped shale]

You are aware the Brodie helmet is based off pre 1700 designs

and ww1 doesn’t even come very long after hunt

Lmao if the kid didn’t die he’d prolly be a ww1 vet

[real cedar]

That's part of what I'm getting at. That it's similar to a kettle hat and could easily be hand made doesn't mean that it's alright to show up. The gap between the Gilded Age and WW1 is small in time but huge in themes, so symbols of each age need to be carefully curated. The first prototype of the 1911 for instance was designed in 1897 - putting it in the same range as the Dolch or Auto-5 - but it shouldn't ever show up cause it doesn't belong to the themes of the Gilded Age

[warped shale]

if hunt was a milsim or something I’d care but hunt feels so disconnected from our current reality as long as it makes sense or fits within plausible I’m pretty much fine with it as long as it isn’t just a modern thing shoe horned in

The A5 itself is post hunts era

patented in 1999 / 1898 it didn’t begin production until 1903

I sorta see hunt the same way as fallout or Wolfenstien certain aspects need to be very close to historical but what matters most is the game being true to itself

someone way smarter then me used the point of accuracy vs authenticity

Something can be true to the game and authentic without being accurate

[real cedar]

Yup, authenticity and verisimilitude are more important than true historical accuracy, but part of the game being true to itself is being grounded in the Gilded Age, so people are allowed to be a bit wary when it begins to stray from that.
A pair of creative industrial welders fit right in though.

[noble scarab]

The c&k and avto (dolch too, kinda) are all experimental prototypes designed by expert gunsmiths in universe

Tho the c&k could’ve done with a bit more 1895 jank to it rather than just being a browning auto 5

[warped shale]

It is mechanically different

from the real one

[real cedar]

What's the difference?

[warped shale]

real life the bolt should lock open when empty and you should be able to load through the side then hitting the button will close the bolt

The button is modeled

The browning A5 had a auto loader so you could just put a round in the chamber hit the button the bolt would close then you could finish loading

AFAIK the American made Remington models didn’t have the auto loader

Neither did early A5 models

but the bolt should still lock open

because of how many different A5 models there are made by so many companies it’s hard to pin down a specific action especially for a pre production one like what’s in hunt

But it’s a full recoil action or whatever

https://youtube.com/shorts/2BO-RlojBQA?si=SBB5RhBhZov9ZPw8

https://youtu.be/sNXzaoqvsbc?si=7T_DCq0XoXbpi2Bq

Browning was a fucking genius

he’s probably designed half of the guns in the game

the terminous A5 and 1883 slate are all his designs

[real cedar]

Could be similar to the Sparks reload animation mistake they made early on sinc the Auto-5 has been in from the start. Perhaps it took longer to find out, and by then it seemed too late to change.
Though they did change the Rival 78 and Nitro reloads to remove the auto-ejectors pretty late

[warped shale]

I wonder if the ejector removal was done for historical or balance reasons

the rival doesn’t seem to be based on a specific shotgun

[real cedar]

It had to have been historical, as the reload speed remained the same

[warped shale]

and I’ve got a double barrel with an ejector that just broke so you need to flip it over or finger it to get the rounds out

[noble scarab]

The rival is a sawed off generic coach gun is it not?

[real cedar]

It's a Colt Model 1878

[warped shale]

That tappers

And has dish and bead sights

The rival has weird almost pistol like sights

The rival is its own thing unlike anything I’ve never seen

and the barrel bands on it

the barrels are also stupidly thick

I reckon it was modeled before the devs decided to make all the guns based off real designs

[noble scarab]

Maybe something like how the uppercut is a mix of 3 different pistols

[real cedar]

It used to be called the Caldwell Rival so it's 100% a Colt, it's just not the most accurate recreation

[warped shale]

At least the uppercut is its own fictional thing by design

[real cedar]

The Book of Weapons blurb for the Rival:

The Caldwell Rival was produced between 1878 and 1889 in numbers nearing 23,000 and is a long gun refined for general shooting and hunting. The side-by-side position of its double barrels allows for easy loading of a wide range of shot, depending on the size and the nature of the target. An exposed double hammer with a double trigger and 32-inch barrel give the gun its versatility and range. The Rival and shotguns of its kind earned notoriety as so-called "coach guns,"as they were often used to defend the delivery coaches from bandits, though with a sawed-off barrel.```

[warped shale]

Idk colt and Remington did compete over break actions

[real cedar]

The story is aping the Gentleman's Agreement legend between Colt and Winchester the one time they began work on making a lever action and revolver

Colt had made the Burgess lever-action and Winchester was said to be making a revovler with William Mason, then both projects were discontinued

[warped shale]

Maybe it was S&W and colt that were fighting

[warped shale]

I’ve heard of it

I’ve that deal sighted as the reason Winchester didn’t want to make a pump action shotgun for browning

Because of the colt pump action rifles

The lighting or marathon as it’s known in game

[high stone]

Haha, maybe they fit in the 1896 version

[fossil tide]

The Post Malone arc was weird. Like, the lore that it introduced was cool

but it still takes getting used to knowing that Post Malone is now canon in the events of the story

Is there any information on what the clowns are doing in the Land of the Dead?

it's stated that the Helios stone was mucking around with everyone, but what is it trying to achieve by recruiting a bunch of clowns?

[noble scarab]

the lore is that there is no lore

[real cedar]

It's better to forget that the Murder Circus event ever happened. It certainly won't get mentioned in lore again

[noble scarab]

they put so much effort into the mini compound and bear, i wouldnt mind them bringing it back minus the event buffs as a low but random chance like a weather effect or on certain weekends

[real cedar]

I think they'll eventually bring back Ursa Mortis, hopefully in a non-circus style and maybe even with some retconned lore on its origins to tie it back to the Scorched Earth event story that'd be the dream

The circus probably won't come back but the concept of an event compound will definitely get reused down the line, likely in the same spots as the circus spawned

[real dove]

Dunno, I didn't mind the circus and I'd hate to see the effort with the clowns and bear get yeeted with no return

The compound could be tweaked some but I wouldn't mind it returning as a like, weather

[granite shard]

I’d like to see them do stuff like the clown grunts again

[gilded umbra]

Ursa Mortis should be a new elite AI. It could be that it escaped and that there were more of them. 🐻

[granite shard]

I feel like they could also make another AI w similar mechanics too

Buff it a little and dog theme it and we can have a hellhound wild target

[real cedar]

I think I figured out what this house is, now that it's showing up again in the countdown promo

It's going to be used for the lobby background during the event, just like the circus was for Murder Circus

[warped shale]

Maybe we’re getting a new event compound or a new circus like compound all together

Maybe an expanded AHA camp like the circus but more generally themed

with wagons of ammo and event point supply boxes

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I thought the idea of event themed grunts was cool and all, but I didn't like the clown theme.

Maybe they'll give us something different next time.

[granite shard]

Honestly I thought the clown grunts looked significantly better than the clown hunters

They looked like actual era appropriate clowns

[warped shale]

the clown hunters are aight

6/10

C+

[gilded umbra]

I am most pleased to have this occasion to write to you, and to welcome you into the American Hunters Association. You will risk more than most could imagine, even for so righteous a cause, but should you succeed the bounty will nourish more than just your wallet.

The Association has existed in various forms for many hundreds of years, yet its legacy is silence—and a world freed from monstrous, mindless cannibalistic beings; free from those empty, corrupted shells once human now looking only to fill that rotting vessel with your flesh. You will have heard tell of what waits for you in the wilds. Do not underestimate its vile power.

I fear that my oath does not allow me to commit further details to paper. Suffice to say we stand shoulder to shoulder in this cause—though warn you I must: not every Hunter would say so, and you must remember that treachery comes in many forms.

In high regard,
Philip Huff Jones, M.D.

Director of the American Hunters Association and
Superintendent of the Louisiana Asylum at Jackson

[spiral mica]

That's actually pretty fair. I just really didn't like the whole circus theme so I'm probably more than a little biased when I say I didn't like the clown grunts, but you're right I would say they were better than all the circus hunters.

[fickle sluice]

To me, at some point the giggling was just annoying.

And that was my main problem with them.

[granite shard]

I didn’t play too too much of the event so the giggling didn’t wear on me too bad

I thought it was a neat mechanic bc it added another sort of noise trap

(On a feminist level, I wish there had girl clown grunts but they probably didn’t want to do the recording of male and female laughing and stuff)

[spiral mica]

I feel like if they maybe distorted the laughter to a certain degree they maybe wouldn't have to have done separate recordings for each. I think modeling the different appearances for each grunt variant would've been the reason they didn't do it.

[granite shard]

They already had variants tho

[spiral mica]

They did?

[granite shard]

Could have just made one a woman variant, but I think it was audio stuff

[spiral mica]

I've only seen the male variants for the clowns myself.

[granite shard]

Yeah, different clothes and whatnot

Just men