lore-discussion

[real dove]

Delphine?

[torn light]

Frick

I need to brush up on lore lmao

[real dove]

NOLA is new orleans louisiana

[torn light]

The Nola is just from the Delphine?

The lance?*

[real cedar]

The Nola was The Skinned's ship

[real dove]

rip

[torn light]

My punishment for thinking I know lore

[real dove]

I thought it was a reference to the city

[torn light]

Oh

Wait

[real dove]

Nah, punishment for my hubris

it was a ship

you were right

[torn light]

The Delphine was a ship right?

It sounds familiar

But the Nola is the one the screw is from?

[real cedar]

Yeah, the ship featured in Tide of Shadows

and Nola is just mentioned by the lance skin

[real dove]

Delphine is the ship in the tides

it shows up a few times

damn

imagine if we had gotten the delphine as a POI like the circus

[torn light]

Damn that would be dope

[gilded umbra]

Welcome back, lore. We all missed you. 🤠

[full sail]

The Delphine was the steamship that disappeared during a hurricane, transporting it's crew and passengers to the land of the dead as an elaborate trap to bring rotjaw to the mortal plane.

[real dove]

Yep

still would have been a cool POI

[torn light]

With addition of circus though would be cool to see what other POI they come up with

[real dove]

I didnt mind the circus as a poi

it could use some changes (CARPET) but i didnt mind it

[real cedar]

One problem with the website is the bottom [Previous] [Next] buttons go from most recent to oldest, so if you start at Tide of Shadows and want to read the Next one, you hit Previous

[real dove]

ill pass that along

[real cedar]

Tide of Shadows didn't have any significant changes, just tiny fixes here and there.
Tide of Corruption on the other hand, I'm noticing they've removed much of the italicization and bold text - most noticable in Butcher's first chapter, but so far no big changes.

[real cedar]

And now in Tide of Desolation the italicization is back where it oughta be, interesting.

[tiny plover]

A moving island in the shape of a delphine poi would be awesome. Doesnt even need to nessisary be in the water since the damn thing fell from the sky lol

Moving as in rotating locals, not actually moving

Gotta get some guest writers from the community. I would read short hunt stories if there was a place they were published. More or less what they have the framework for atm

[granite shard]

I like fanworks but I don’t think I’d want that to happen unless there was direction from crytek and monetary compensation

Realistically I just want to see them hire more writers again

[tiny plover]

Mmm

[real cedar]

Another interesting revelation in the Desolation's Wake summary: "following the death of Finch and the AHA". I had always had it in my head that Finch was weakened and suffering in his immortality at the bottom of the sinkhole he was dropped in

[granite shard]

Nicolette Stewart’s seemingly back on so hopefully writing is back

[tiny plover]

Death is probably relative for an alleged immortal. Presumed dead more likey

Assuming he's still down there until someone fishes him out

[real cedar]

I thought so too, but the summary makes it seem much more final by calling it a death. Maybe the oleander wasn't just weakening him but properly negating the immortality, like Kevin had hoped to do to Chary

[tiny plover]

Im still skeptical. If bee and butcher can make it out of the LotD, I would be surpized to see Finch perma dead

Of course that was a whole as new god being born

[real cedar]

True enough, if they decided to pull Finch out and clean him up I wouldn't be surprised either

[noble scarab]

Where was it said finch was immortal?

[tiny plover]

Alledgedly

Lol

[noble scarab]

Allegedly immortal

[tiny plover]

Tides trilogy mentions it, and I think a book of weapons entey

[real cedar]

James Byrne Journal, Officer Carbine Deadeye and Musket Bayonet masteries

[tiny plover]

He has macguffin silver blood that makes him immortal. Alledgedly.

[warped shale]

wait so in the lore are all hunters repeatedly resurrected or is that just a gameplay thing?

[tiny plover]

Some are, its mostly a gameplay thing

But there are instances of resurrection in a few ways

Bad hand for example

[noble scarab]

I recalled the silver blood but I didn’t recall any mentions of immortality (supposedly) I’ll have to reread it

[warped shale]

Drowned ones too there’s just a lot of cinematics of digging up graves

[real cedar]

I did not take him seriously, of course, but he met my laughter with a grim smile. He leaned back in his chair and simply watched my reaction to his words in silence as it progressed from mirth to confusion and back to mirth again. But I was determined to humor him. In exchange for patronage, I would be willing to overlook quite a lot of eccentricities, and I made light of his words.

But my mood changed when he admitted to having observed me for some time. Perhaps I should be thankful to know that one has enjoyed my performances so much, but instead I felt uneasy. There is something hard and serious in his eyes I do not like. I could not say why, but it was as if his gaze brought with it a cold draft of air that sent goosebumps up and down my arms.

He took my jokes in stride, but did not veer from his purpose. We are two of a kind, he said, and when I told him I did not see what we had in common, he told me I would in time. At that he laughed. "It took me many, many years to understand as well, "he said, then spoke of the wives he had buried before he had accepted his fate. I struggled to remain cordial, fearing the man a murderer or fiend, but my confusion was evident on my face, and caused him further mirth, and me then further confusion still. At that he called for the bill, leaving me alone to finish my meal, and saying we would meet again. In that moment I grew bolded, and spoke directly of the chance of patronage. More of a mentor, dear James, he said. More of a mentor.```

[warped shale]

what happens when a undead character is shot/killed?

is revenant immortal?

Are the drowned characters immortal?

are in the lore did the drowned get sucked back in the demon hole after tide of desolation

[real cedar]

The Drowned remained after Tide of Desolation, they show up in Desolation's Wake and become the guardians of the bayou while most hunters move on to Colorado

[noble scarab]

Oh ok, when I read that initially I think I interpreted it as saying he was looking for a way to become immortal, not that he already was

[warped shale]

So the drowned are just eternally keeping the corruption in the bayou in check?

[real cedar]

Seems that way, at least for now. Things could change in the future or maybe that was the ending for the bayou's storyline.

[warped shale]

wow that is really depressing

[brazen root]

i mean

beats being dead i guess

[noble scarab]

In theory the outbreak should eventually end

Tho once it fades it might take the drowned with it

[real cedar]

There is some text from the Modern Researcher that says the corruption ended eventually and the Sculptor went away and has yet to return since.

[granite shard]

At least the rat and kid are friends. And the thirteenth mate is just kinda there

[warped shale]

But the corruption is seemingly recurring so maybe each time the corruption returns the drowned show up to fight it

[granite shard]

They don’t have to hang with the captain for eternity so that’s good at least

I feel like after lynch eventually dies it’s possible the magic keeping the drowned alive also goes away tho

[real cedar]

Sometimes it goes like that, sometimes magic summoned zombies are more of a set and forget thing

[warped shale]

I always thought it was weird how they have a ton of drowned sailers and a teenage boy and random Mexican girl

[granite shard]

The kid is in his early twenties according to a friend who used to be on the writing team

Just has a baby face

And I don’t think it’s that weird tbh, the rat and kid had unfinished business in the land of the living so they’d be more willing to do shit for lynch I’d imagine

The thirteenth mate is the odd one out imo

[warped shale]

The captain is drowned too no?

I feel like there’s several drowned skins that aren’t called drowned

I know captain laffite is undead because his shotgun is wrapped in flags he got off ships at the bottom of the ocean

[granite shard]

He’s also a hunter with unfinished building

The captain, thirteenth mate, and rat/kid are the only drowned hunters

[warped shale]

My theory is that captain laffite got some power of his own somehow twisting things making deals recruiting drowned into his crew for some sort of goal

possibly fining is own power or twisting the Lynch’s powers for his own use

[granite shard]

He didn’t though

[real dove]

He didnt have a crew

The Delphine didnt even let him on board

he was set on fire as soon as he walked on

[spiral mica]

Just read announcements and I think it's a big win for all the lore fans.

[granite shard]

Yeah it’s great

I wish we’d get it back in game, but having an officially preserved form of the events is amazing

Also update: no longer guessing, Nicolette Stewart is officially back on hunt

[real cedar]

🥳

The narratives shall be designed

[granite shard]

Ina Koos also referenced to this year as operation health for hunt so I think a lot of things are looking up

[real dove]

HELL YEAH

[earnest jungle]

Can I get a hallelujah and can I get an amen?!

[rotund ferry]

Is the lore back

[granite shard]

Hopefully

The team still got gutted, but Nicolette being back is good

[rotund ferry]

Who are they

[granite shard]

Former lead narrative designer of hunt who moved to Crysis 4 sometime between the end of 2022 and middle of 2023

Also the singer for port sulphur band

[noble scarab]

If the band goes we all go

[edgy aspen]

Who is Nicolette Stewart? Is she the one that drew all the trait art?

[real cedar]

Ina Koos is the one that drew the trait art, Nicolette is described two posts above yours

[spiral mica]

She's the lead singer for PSB, and the former lead narrative designer.

It appears that she's back on Hunt

[vivid crystal]

So, is lore returning?

[real cedar]

It's being archived properly at least. There's the hope that we'll get more down the line

[granite shard]

there's a significantly higher possibility now than there was like a month ago at least

[edgy aspen]

With the two coming soon pages, one for hunters, hopefully so.

I guess the hunters wpuld just archive any lore associated with the hunter via old tweets?

[granite shard]

Most likely it’s going to be the bios that were removed from game

Hopefully it will include links to relevant book of weapons entries

[tiny plover]

Yo, thats cool af. I had no idea she did both

Their osts are some of my favorite. Each event song reminds me of a James Bond theme

[real cedar]

New DLC coming, a voodoo trickster type. Maybe it'll be Baron Samedi themed?
Jeremiah Scruggs mastered the art of deception, blending voodoo with sleight of hand to hide his true power. A performer by trade, but something far more dangerous beneath the surface.

The Rival has been getting a lot of love lately

[granite shard]

huh aesthetics feel similar to the ghost face DLC's

[real cedar]

I like it, elegant and detailed without going overboard with additions. If they had draped voodoo trinkets over it like they did for the Day of the Dead sugar skulls, that'd be a step too far.

[granite shard]

yeah

another tally to the months without female DLC list tho

surely one has to be coming at some point, right?

lol

[torn light]

Do we know who Jeremiah Scruggs is?

Name sounds familiar but I could be crazy and mixing it up with Buster Scruggs

[granite shard]

probably the next DLC hunter

[real cedar]

There's a Jeremy Byrne, the original immolator, that could be the other part getting mixed up

[feral fog]

Good evening, dear hunters. I recently wondered who and how sent "The Kid" to the bottom? He is my favorite hunter and I would like to know his full story. Does anyone know anything about this?

[real cedar]

The Tide of Corruption storyline explains how he went:
https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore/tide-of-corruption-part-one
While this story explains how they came back:
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/tide-of-desolation-drowned-hunters

[granite shard]

chapter four of tide of corruption specifically is what details his death

[noble scarab]

Nvm Rai got it first

[granite shard]

chapter eight here also has a mention of his body https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore/tagged/events/tide-of-corruption-part-two

[spiral mica]

Whoever this Jeremiah Scruggs is he be sharing a name with Buster Scruggs.

[feral fog]

Thank you!

Thank you all my friends!

[real cedar]

Scruggs is more common of a surname than I initially thought. In the Civil War, 559 Scruggs are recorded to have participated, 482 for the Confederacy and 77 for the Union, so it's very much a Southern name.

[feral fog]

Poor The Kid, he was killed by the cultists and thrown into a rotting river. But the filth brought him back to our world, where the troublemaker still takes revenge on his enemies in the swamps.
To be honest, I'm very upset that this character died in the story and won't appear in the plot yet.

[granite shard]

getting to the chapter where he died back during tide of corruption was a shock for sure haha

I was pretty certain that he wasn't going to stay dead (the part in ch8 where he got sucked into the water was a pretty clear indicator of land of the dead shenanigans) but it was still like "holy shit they just killed my boy"

[warped shale]

Seems fitting somehow

[spiral mica]

He's also not completely alone. Him and Rat have been working alongside each other ever since their resurrection.

Oh and the Thirteenth mate is sort of there too, but he's basically just along for the ride.

[feral fog]

May the filth take me away! As soon as I can recruit a dead man to my team, I will lead him to the desired retribution!

[spiral mica]

There was a fourth, and his name was Captain Laffite, but I'm like 99% sure he's finally gone. If you're asking me, that man earned his rest.

[granite shard]

I don't know if he really earned anything but I don't think anyone's sad that he's gone lmao

[warped shale]

I find the whole drowned crew thing neat

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-crew-lad-davy-jones-potc-liars-dice-jack-sparrow-gif-22528510

captain laffite to the kid be like

[feral fog]

Of course he deserved it, it's clear even without words. You can see everything in the look of every drowned person.

[granite shard]

realistically the rat seems to have been more of the top dog of the drowned group instead of lafitte

[spiral mica]

Yeah, their whole shipwreck nautical theme was really cool. I really enjoyed how all throughout the tides trilogy we were getting stuff like that too.

...then we got clowns and a circus.

[warped shale]

I hope we see the drowned theme but dragged but the bottom of the ocean

Instead of a shallow pond

so like more corral and barnacles

[spiral mica]

I could imagine a map set in the land of the dead being very swampy and heavy on the foliage, but also being really nautical and buried beneath the deepest darkest depths.

[spiral mica]

I'm thinking something like a swampy Marianas trench without all the water. A really deep and dark place with God only knows what lurking below.

[warped shale]

Could do interesting nods to how the hunters in game all die constantly

Could get some skins based off the navy 1851 for the uppercut and conversion

[spiral mica]

I'm assuming we'll probably get a couple skins for the Maynard next event. Also, there are still a lot of weapons in the game that still only have just one skin or none at all.

[warped shale]

what I want to see is more highland content

like a highland equivalent of drown

like “overgrown” or something with tree roots wrapping around them or wrapped in barbed wire with twisted animal traits

[feral fog]

Damn right, and I can't wait to find out the theme of the new event, because I didn't really like the last three.

[warped shale]

circus was neat

I would love a mountain themed event

very personal to me as a mountain dweller myself

[feral fog]

Have mercy, filth, I wish this event would come out sooner.

[spiral mica]

Right, isn't it mentioned somewhere that some of those people in Mammon's gulch that witnessed the early days of the incursion there became something different?

A bunch of those leaf skins from the Scorched Earth battle pass mention that the people tried to fight back.

[warped shale]

Wait are we never going to see characters that die in the lore or in cinematics again?

when does hunt showdown happen in it’s own lore

obviously the games are looking at the lore and characters through a lens

[granite shard]

The matches we play aren’t canon accurate

[earnest jungle]

gameplay and story segregation

[spiral mica]

Yeah, several people running around with nothing but mosins and dolch precisions doesn't exactly hold true to the lore.

At one point many hunters only brought what they could afford or had on-hand. Which is why we would see crudely made guns like the officer nagant carbine.

It wasn't until recently in the lore that Statesman and his benefactors started bringing in more shiny and new weapons like the Mako and marathon.

Also, a bunch of hunters running around with Katanas wouldn't make sense. Really only the Japanese hunters would've brought them from their homes, and the same can be said for the Chinese hunters and their weapons like that Dao skin for the machete and the Chu Ko Nu.

[warped shale]

That’s why I said the game is the world through a lens

[warped shale]

The chu has literally no reason to be in game

I figured with the katanas there’s probably a Japanese blacksmith making them and selling them

[warped shale]

I figured the free hunters had what the aha handed out and then hunters could bring there own or purchase there own firearms or buy them from the ahas fire arms dealers

My head cannon is a lot of tradesmen and gunsmiths went south and west to profiteer of the killing

Like how shops made more off the gold rush then the gold miners did

[granite shard]

The chu ko no has a reason to be in the game due to zhuge liu bringing one with her

[warped shale]

how is it relevant at all logically to the era

Kinda seems like a weird weapon to have in hunt period

like “hmmm yes you know what this old south cowboy shooter needs? An ancient Chinese crossbow!”

[real cedar]

There was reports of the Chu Ko Nu being used all the way up to the Sino-Japanese war in 1894 but even so it seems really weird to add it in. It was hardly taken seriously as a weapon

[spiral mica]

Nah, ideally only Miko, Ronin, Kendoka and maybe a handful of other Japanese hunters would've brought over weapons from Japan.

We're talking like maybe at most a dozen hunters would have something like that.

Same with the Chinese hunters and their weaponry. Zhuge Liu brought a Chu Ko Nu with her into the hunt and in reality there's probably only like 5 hunters running around with one.

There isn't going to be hundreds of people with krags or mosins because these Incursions and hunts are relatively small and concentrated in a small area. The maps are only 1km x 1km large.

[warped shale]

The krag was US standard issue at the time and is still a very relevant rifle

the chu is a obsolete ancient crossbow from another continent

[spiral mica]

Certain hunters of certain backgrounds are going to have certain weapons that they bring with them and they feel most comfortable with. Reaper has a Specter shorty that his family gifted him after having a ton of success in the hunt, Daughter of Decay was gifted a Berthier from Felis.

[granite shard]

I mean like there’s also hunters bringing bow and arrows into a gunfight

Or a machete

Is the chu ko nu outdated and something few would bring in? Yeah, that’s why there’s likely only one hunter (zhuge liu) who uses it

[warped shale]

at least bows are from the same continent and machetes are just good utility

Seems weird to add a very specific ancient Chinese weapon because one hunter brought it

[granite shard]

They likely wanted to add a repeating crossbow and wanted to go with one that had an actual historical basis instead of making something up

A repeating crossbow is something people had asked for, and this also comes with the balancing mechanic from how it actually works irl by not letting you ADS

[noble scarab]

that didnt stop them with the shredder tho

[granite shard]

Shredder and chu ko nu dropped in the same patch, and only one of them stayed around as a normal weapon

[spiral mica]

ideally even the hunters that bring something like a bow or machete would have an alternative option to use a firearm. Let's say you're a hunter with an indigenous background and you bring the bow your father used to hunt into the incursion zone, even though you have that bow you'd probably also give yourself the option of using something like a Winfield or Centennial to pair with your bow and arrow. One character that comes to mind is The Cowl who uses a krag that he kept from his days in the military while also using a bow that he crafted himself if I recall correctly.

[granite shard]

I’m not arguing whether or not the chu ko nu was a good decision from a gameplay standpoint or anything, I just understand why they would have gone with it from a development standpoint

[warped shale]

Bows would also have the utility of killing monsters

[warped shale]

Yea

[granite shard]

So does the chu ko nu???

[warped shale]

Yea but the chu is from another continent and doesn’t make any sense to be in hunt

[granite shard]

We have hunters from that continent in hunt

[spiral mica]

My argument is that Zhuge Liu bringing a Chu Ko Nu into an active incursion zone makes sense if she's also bringing some sort of firearm. I think you're forgetting that the hunt isn't just about killing other hunters, but it's about killing the monsters that pollute the area too, and so having a Chu Ko Nu for the monsters you encounter makes perfect sense.

[warped shale]

I don’t feel like it would be powerful enough to kill the undead

[granite shard]

It was a weapon of war

[spiral mica]

And hey, maybe once in awhile Zhuge Liu has used that Chu Ko Nu to kill a few hunters.

[warped shale]

even grunts can eat several buckshot pellets

[granite shard]

You can kill the undead with a single punch to the head with knuckle dusters

[real dove]

single shot of poison

[warped shale]

Hunter’s clearly have unnatural levels of strength grunts hives and hellhounds have a extremely high level of durability

[spiral mica]

Grunts are the weakest of the weak, they nearly fall apart when trying to walk or run around. Armoreds which were specifically designed by the Sculptor himself to guard clues can tank buckshot, and obviously so can Meatheads. I've personally killed grunts from like 20 meters away with Romero and Specter buckshot.

[warped shale]

Let me tell you ain’t no dog surviving 45 colt to the chest

[real dove]

hellhound aint no normal dog fam

[spiral mica]

Yeah and most Grunts I shoot in the chest with the Pax die

[granite shard]

Also like people modded the chu ko nu to shoot off frags

They’re clearly able to adapt this weapon into something usable in the hunt

[spiral mica]

Yeah, there's a lot of jerry-rigging in Hunt Showdown. Both Reptilian and Skinned made their bomb lances. Skinned even used parts from his boat.

[warped shale]

Yea I know that’s why I’m saying the monsters have higher durability then normal animals

and even people can survive several arrows to the body

[spiral mica]

Yeah, but your original comment was that grunts are out here tanking buckshot when they actually don't.

[warped shale]

which king Henry was it that Survived with a arrow in his head

[real dove]

This is a game

You're find fault in that this is a game

[warped shale]

????

[spiral mica]

Yeah and that all goes back to the original point that was made. The matches you play in game don't correlate to the actual narrative.

[real dove]

in that your argument is people survive arrows

as for the chukonu- it's been modified, as smalls said, so why wouldnt the modify it to be stronger?

[granite shard]

Also like a baseball bat is sillier to bring into the hunt than something like a katana or chu ko nu

[warped shale]

I don’t care about hunters being one tapped saying a bow realistically would not be great at fighting corruption monsters

[real dove]

Dunno

I'd bring my bow out

45lb draw is gonna deal some damage to the hear

[spiral mica]

In all fairness if I was a hunter I'd totally bring my uncles baseball bat to kill zombies.

[real dove]

head

and i can make my own ammo

and have

blunt weapons go hard

[spiral mica]

I'd probably bring a 1911 and a baseball bat into the hunt personally

[warped shale]

If you can hit it bows are a lot harder to hit with then a rifle

[spiral mica]

If the Hunt was to go on that long that is

[warped shale]

even modern bows can be difficult to aim properly

[real dove]

never been an issue

[warped shale]

Lightweight easy to carry I’d strap one on just to kill immolators

[real dove]

if you know what you're doing, any weapon is deadly

[granite shard]

If knuckle dusters are enough to kill one, why would I waste the space with a bat

I’d bring two actual guns

[spiral mica]

A bow is quieter than a gun and can cause a more severe wound. A gun is louder and people can survive those kinds of wounds. Ideally a bow would be a really good weapon to bring into the hunt if you actually knew how to use it. Most people are bringng guns because a gun is easier to use than a bow.

[real dove]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

not really

in terms of damage

[warped shale]

Silencers + expanding ammo

[spiral mica]

A lot of these Japanese, Chinese and Indigenous hunters are bringing in these crazy weapons because they've been training with them for a long time.

[warped shale]

silencers are common in the hunt universe

[real dove]

I'd much rather get shot with an arrow

[warped shale]

I’d bring a cent shorty silencer a long Bowie knife and a baseball bat

[granite shard]

But like ultimately the point here is there’s a logical reason, both in universe and outside of universe, why these weapons are in the game

[spiral mica]

I'd be scared to get shot with an arrow because it might be tipped with poison or someone's poop. Then I'm dead from infection.

[real dove]

eh

[warped shale]

Poison bullets exist in hunt

[green pollen]

idk, a big ol club aint that bad of an idea, but also how common were bats in stores at the time

i assume you couldn't walk into a general store and have em lying in the corner

[warped shale]

Isn’t baseball the American national sport

I feel like you could

[green pollen]

yeah but its also 1896

not like theres a Big 5 somewhere

[spiral mica]

As long as I'm not getting shot in the head with a bullet I'll take my chances with a bullet instead of an arrow. Also, an arrow can generally sever arteries a lot easier than a bullet, but that sometimes depends on the exact caliber of the round. If I'm getting shot with 45-70 I'm probably dead, if I'm getting shot with .22 I might actually get lucky and live.

[warped shale]

Also how hard would it be to make a baseball bat

[real dove]

bat is just big stick

[spiral mica]

But let's be real for a minute and say I'd rather not get shot with an arrow or a bullet. I wanna live! 😂

[real dove]

hammer would be best option

imo

[spiral mica]

It's not hard. I had a friend of mine make one in highschool shop class.

He used his own wood and everything.

[green pollen]

assuming if you lived in 1896 you probably had a woodworker friend, so not that hard

but also like we'd probably see more trench-macy looking things than a clean baseball bat

[spiral mica]

You could probably look up a YouTube video on how to make a baseball bat.

[green pollen]

i still expect eventually a mace to be an equipment slot blunt, hopefully

[spiral mica]

Plus there's a lot of things you can do with a baseball bat. You can wrap it up in barbed wire, you can hammer a bunch of nails into it, you can even fit it with sawblades or razors.

[warped shale]

Yea also me personally I’d be scared shitless of immolators irl and would carry a bat just to deal with them specifically

[spiral mica]

You can also put studs on it and turn it into a sort of makeshift Kanabo.

[warped shale]

Barbed wire

[real dove]

eh. you dont really want something that could cause the weapon to stick

[warped shale]

Nails

[real dove]

the point of the bat is that it's blunt

[spiral mica]

That's why a Kanabo was usually studded and not spiked.

[real dove]

and you swing it hard into a limited area and shatter bone

yep

[spiral mica]

So it wouldn't stick and maintain it's bluntness

[warped shale]

Are beetles corruption creatures?

[real dove]

adding nails to it just up the chance the wood cracks at some bad time

if adding too amny

[warped shale]

and you can’t use it on immolators anymore which is the main reason you’d want them

[spiral mica]

One of the coolest weapons ever is the Macuahuitl. It starts out as this blunt weapon, but the more you use it the sharper it gets. In the Nahuatl language "Macuahitl" translates to "Hand-wood."

Aztec Jaguar Warriors called "Ocelotl" would use them.

[warped shale]

if you had to become a hunter and had to pick the south or the western zone where you headed

[green pollen]

also replaceable blades

[spiral mica]

Well I'm approximately just one state away from both Colorado and Louisiana so I'm not sure which one I'd choose.

[green pollen]

fuck me if im fighting in a bayou, shit might as well be fighting in Nam

[spiral mica]

I'd probably choose Louisiana just because winter wouldn't be as harsh in 1896 as it would be in Colorado, but that would mean I'd have to deal with Hurricane season and brutal flash flooding in the year 1896.

[spiral mica]

Colorado would be just as difficult. There'd be more verticality and people would use the mountain terrain and tall pines as cover.

Not to mention but around this time Colorado would be home to a lot of people that actually know how to use a firearm. It'd be dangerous to hunt in that area.

[green pollen]

who's to say the southern folk wouldn't know how to use a gun

[spiral mica]

Also if you run into a Finnish or Norwegian guy that knows how to ski you're totally screwed.

[green pollen]

i think like, the entire country at the time would be able to use a gun unless you're dead

[green pollen]

well then i'll get a part time job during the winter

and not bounty hunt

[spiral mica]

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying either one you pick you're probably going to die.

[green pollen]

well yeah but i'd rather fight in the alpines than mucky swamp bayou bullshit

[spiral mica]

To each their own I guess, but I'm picking the Bayou over the mountains.

But that's probably because I've had much more exposure to hot and humid climates with heavy foliage and vegetation.

[warped shale]

Me personally I’d head west I hate leeches and snapping turtles spent 6 months remodeling a pond knee deep in mud and fish guts and I ain’t doing that again

I’d just avoid bounty turn in clues and grunt ears save money from hunting over the summer then hold up in a town over the winter with my savings

[spiral mica]

It's the same argument for if I had to fight in a war. I'm choosing a place like Vietnam over Northeastern Europe.

[warped shale]

Blow it on all come back next year

[spiral mica]

Also just like the creature in my profile picture, I really don't do so fantastic in really cold weather. I'll just burrow for the winter and come out when it's warmer.

[green pollen]

i have and i've seen combat from those conditions

it sucks to walk around alot and it smells like shit constantly and you dont know who or where you're being shot from

[warped shale]

I’ve always been cold weathered but I’d never hunt over the winter no where

I just can’t stand mud or critters in the water

keep me dry and in the fresh mountain air

[spiral mica]

Like I said, there's going to be major downsides for most environments. I'm willing to bet if I went back in time and asked some soldiers at the Battle of the Bulge it they wanted to swap places with some soldiers at Okinawa they'd probably say yes. It's mainly going to be about how much exposure you have to something that harsh. Repeated exposure is probably going to make you want to leave.

Also some people are just naturally better in the cold or hot weather. Some people are just built better for it. I'm one of those people that's built better for hotter weather.

[green pollen]

fair point

👍

[warped shale]

In the mountains you got the caves to hide in too

[spiral mica]

But here's the other thing. If you're a soldier you're evidently going to go wherever your nation sends you. Because if you don't you'll get in trouble lol

[warped shale]

Set up in a cave trap the door stay there over night protected by the mountain

Being a hunter would actually be pretty nice in the west assuming you just avoided the bounty

and avoided other people

[spiral mica]

Some places like Guilin, China also have vast cave systems but still maintains a warmer climate.

Same with Vietnam, some of the terrain is very mountainous with tunnels and caves.

[warped shale]

the caves I’ve been in here are cold

but not very deep

But it’d be save and easy to trap

[spiral mica]

My concern would be trying to survive hunger and infection or trying to stay warm and not freeze to death.

[warped shale]

don’t go hunting in the winter

bring some army rations or hunt for game

I’m assuming the supply camps irl would have a lot of people in them and be aha sponsored

[spiral mica]

Plus trying to find fresh clean water to drink. Drinking directly from a freshwater stream or river in Colorado will get you killed pretty quickly, so you'd have to boil that water on a fire before drinking, but if you start a fire people might go looking for you and if they find you they'll kill you.

You basically got to think about it like you're in the Hunger Games.

avoiding people and not getting killed is just half the battle

[warped shale]

I drank stagnant pond water before I’ll be fine

I wonder how often hunter’s actually kill other hunters especially ones that aren’t carrying a bounty

and I wonder how far apart the camps would be

and how many people would be at each camp

I wouldn’t become a hunter before the hunt moved over to Colorado

[spiral mica]

Maybe you share an immune system with alligators and crocodiles then.

[spiral mica]

Also, this number is probably a lot. More than a few of the current hunter roster is filled with lunatics and psychopaths that will kill you no matter the circumstances. You got this one guy that butchered his own horse because he was "fascinated" about taking apart a body. There's this other guy that goes around and collects human skulls, and then you've got basically every Demented pact hunter in existence.

I'd be afraid my life was in danger from just looking at some of these hunters the wrong way.

[warped shale]

I drank all sorts of water I shouldn’t have as a kid

Got a brain eating parasite once

poor feller died hungry

[warped shale]

Idk I feel like some of that is a bias of how the hunt world is given to us

Obviously we’re not going to hear very much about “bob” who closed 2 rifts and killed 8 grunts then went to a aha camp to blow his money on booze

he would later die of syphilis in 1933

nobody wants to hear about that

nobody wants that as a dlc hunter

Even in game we got a lot of hunters that are motivated either by money and just kill as a way to get it

Or hunters that are there out of moral obligation or a sense of duty

[lucid anvil]

Ngl, I want that

[eternal hazel]

No one is actually in charge of these “rounds” in every hunt showdown gameplay right ?

The AHA

[real cedar]

The AHA used to pay hunters for the bounties they collect (now The Backers do) but as far as the rounds themselves go, it's an abstraction of how lethal the incursions are. It's a sure death for most Hunters to spend more than an hour in a dead zone - though many Hunters spend days in them in the lore.

[eternal hazel]

Interesting

The Backers?

[ruby current]

Some shady group comprised of government officials and rich businessmen that want to use the war on the corruption to gain more power

[ruby current]

You can find references to them in Desolation's Wake and Scorched Earth event entries (they are up on the official website now as well)

[eternal hazel]

Well i unlock the first entry in scorched earth

But damn

[warped shale]

There’d probably be a lot of hunters not after the bounty

in real life back in the day the government(?) used to pay money for wolf ears turned in to reduce the population because they threatened live stock

I’m sure there’s something similar for grunts

[ruby current]

you can read them all up on the website

[ruby current]

definitely not all hunters fight targets

we used to gain blood bonds for accolades, one of which was how many monsters were killed

you could also see the XP that you receive going through your bloodline as some sort of compensation that you would get related to how you helped in clearing the corruption, so ofc many hunters would like to play it safe to survive and only do "small time" jobs in the dead zone

[fickle sluice]

Chances are that Preston (the same as in Preston Oil) is one of said Backers. I wouldn't be surprised. An oil baron trying to reinvigorate his wells in search for more power and money. And in that he fucked up a whole region

[granite shard]

not really chances, more of just straight canon lol

[fickle sluice]

Yeah but at this point I have become careful in these statements. I misinterpeted stuff often enough 😅

[granite shard]

haha fair

[fickle sluice]

Btw I think that "Stuff a human with bounties and stuff a tube with human, watch the magic" is the perfect amount of disgusting and fascinating

[granite shard]

yeah and it makes total sense that some lunatics would want to do that

[fickle sluice]

Personally I find the idea amazing that it's not so much about the specifics as it is about the idea. When that came up in the tides trilogy and Chary had his little preschool theater with psychopaths as a cast I had to laugh hard. But the concept is great and I will totally steal that for my ttrpg

[ruby current]

it is explicited in the entries

[ruby current]

there are also shades of balrog references here

the greed of man (dwarves) descending into forbidden places and reawakening the ragey fire demon

[earnest jungle]

Speaking of Scorched Earth I do think it’s interesting that two different monsters appeared in Mammon’s Gulch at roughly the same time

Whatever was birthed in the chimney of Grizzly Lodge and the creation of the Hell Bourne in Preston Oilfield.

I have this theory called the watertable theory

[noble scarab]

Shame we didn’t learn more about the chimney monster

[earnest jungle]

I have thoeries about that but first my Watertable theory

It’s not for nothing that I call myself Student of Scognamiglio

So like my theory goes that the Land of the Dead is a physical/metaphysical underworld like Hades, Sheol, or the Christian Hell.

[earnest jungle]

I base this supposition of several key details:

• The Clues we investigate appear as bottomless tears in reality - they are describes as wounds in the earth burning where we would bleed
• The Rifts and the Wellsprings appear as black bubling fissures; seeping leaks of dark power into our world. Even the terminology of wellspring implicitly frames this power as something rising up into our world from a world below.
• Both the Butcher's House and the Graven Path are both semipermanent passages that connect the land of the living to the land of the dead and they both exists in the form of subterranean passage ways. Other methods described include be drenched in blood during a hurricane while traveling by boat; having ones body cut to pieces and lowered through a rift; and some unnamed method involving a burning city.
• Finally we have Preston's own occult rituals: stuffing living sacrifices with bounty tokens and dropping them down oil wells which culminated in the creation of the Hellbourne which awakened an evil described as sleeping below the earth.

[noble scarab]

Are you familiar with how the dream/nightmare realms work in bloodborne? Places stacked atop each other. Similar vibes to this

[earnest jungle]

This is where the watertable theory comes in: I think there are places in the world of Hunt Showdown where the barrier of the land of the living and the land of the dead are thin enough as to be permeable allowing for one way or even two way travel.

And I believe it is possible to - with the right rituals and the right artifacts to artificially thin the barrier or just fully punch through the barrier that separates the land of the living and dead.

I believe that Lawson Delta, and Stillwater Bayou are naturally existing dead zones: while DeSalle and Mammon's Gulch are artificially created dead zones. DeSalle was created through a combination of the extractive industries within the region and the profane rituals of Warden Jabez; while Mammon's Gulch was created by the Oil Rejuvenation Rituals.

This could also explain why the Corruption has been able to spread to some areas with ease and in other areas it takes longer for it to take hold.

[noble scarab]

Didn’t Desalle technically come first? Unless you count the small incursion at Blanchet

[earnest jungle]

No

As Russel Chambers demonstrates the dead zones have existed for a while now; grunts are possibly centuries old; and the hives have been around for at least a decade by 1895.

The Louisana Event has been ongoing in the background for a while but sometime in 1890 and 95 it unexpectadly intensified with the emergence of the marked and the boss bounties.

[noble scarab]

I think it’s an error on cryteks or a retcon but they describe Desalle as being “long corrupted” or something like that

[earnest jungle]

That is true

I guess I could go either way on DeSalle being natural or artifical

[noble scarab]

That was before Desalle released and before all the weapon masteries that detailed it

[earnest jungle]

Either way I think these dead zones have existed since pre-Columbian times and were known to and managed by the Indigenous Populations but the Colonization of the Americas and the Westward Expansion of the United States disrupted this: as a result of the genocides conducted to facilitate colonization indigenous populations who knew how to manage the deadzones were displaced with non-native populations who did not; allowing the problem to fester and grow un opposed culiminating in the Louisana Event.

Sort of like how Indigenous peoples of California used to maintain and manage the ecosystems with controlled burns; but when the United States Government took over they stopped doing that and started building dense highly flamible settlements on areas prone to fires and started growing water intensive crops in droubt prone regions now every August the whole State goes up in smoke.

[granite shard]

imo with the way mammon's gulch popped up and the way the sculptor comes and goes over time, I think it's less likely that they've always been there and that it's more likely that there was something in them that caused it

which colonial greed and the post-civil-war south both have plenty of ways to spark that sort of fire

[earnest jungle]

But this is me going into "the Corruption and the Incursions are dark reflections of American Colonial Extraction and Settlement."

[granite shard]

yeah, I just don't see it as something that had been there forever and are more of something caused by the people who have settled there afterwards

[earnest jungle]

And drawing an intentional parallel between the failures of the United States to properly steward and maintain the ecosystems and the failure of the AHA to properly manage the deadzones.

[earnest jungle]

Your Millage Will Vary; this is just my own personal interpretation of what's happening and why.

[real dove]

Yep. Gulch's plague was seemingly created by the bounties going there and being used in rituals (like HotJaw), and since the Sculptor (or whatever being we have now that's the source of the power) can't actually maintain 2, the NOLA infection is reduced. There's not been any signs that things were always there- Gulch was extremely prosperous in the lore, until all that could be pulled from it was. Not really something that has a dark secret at the heart, and more that man got greedy

[real dove]

Fair, but folks are also going to disagree

[warped shale]

I always figured the corruption popping up was tied to human moral corruption

not political or anything just tied to a excess amount of sin

something like revelations

Like the genesis flood or Sodom and Gomorrah

the Bible frequently leans into themes of revenant beings

[earnest jungle]

I was talking about things from a meta level

It's a standing question of whether the Sculptor's corruption brings out the worst of humanity; or the worst of humanity is what draws the sculptor in.

I was just saying there are interesting parrallels between the American Colonial Extraction and Settlement and the incursions by the Sculptor into the land of the living: in both cases the indigenous population is displaced and slaughtered by a settler population who in turn extract from the colonized lands natural resources.

In the Case of the United States the indigenous population are the Tribes and Nations that have inhabited the lands since time immemorial and the settler population are Euro-American colonists; in the case of Hunt the indigenous population are living humans and the settler population are the demons and spirits from the land of the dead who kill and then posses the bodies of their victims.

[acoustic whale]

sculptor is just misunderstood

he fine

just a bit upset and moody

[earnest jungle]

In the case of the United States the natural resources being extracted are precious metals, minerals, furs, crops, timber, and labor. In the case of Hunt the natural resources being extracted are people's souls.

I don't know if these parraellels were intentional on the part of the writers but they exists and that's what matters death of the author and all.

[earnest jungle]

He eats people's souls

[acoustic whale]

we all have our bad days

[real dove]

Where does it say this?

[earnest jungle]

I'm being hyperbolic

[real dove]

Find it hard to believe since the "souls" of grunts are canonically left in them

Mk

Locked in syndrome and all

[earnest jungle]

"He eats people" vs "He steals your soul and turns you into an alabaster statue trapped in the worst moment in your life"

[granite shard]

I don't think the sculptor is the one making the statues in the land of the dead, I think that's a lotd thing

the sculptor's influence has started creeping in there, but I think regardless of the sculptor, those statues would exist there

[real dove]

Agreed. Doesn't really seem like it's vibe

If anything, seems like the LOD freezes "important" events

Hopefully we get more now that they have folks back

[real cedar]

It's called the sculptor, if anything adding statues to the land of the dead is too on the nose

[granite shard]

I think if the sculptor’s influence started messing w lotd statues to start being more awful points in time as opposed to just notable moments, that would be interesting

[real dove]

True

I was hoping the statues would be a better way to discern truth from fiction but alas

Lore

Mia

Lol

[granite shard]

tbf I don't think we're gonna go into the land of the dead again any time soon

[real dove]

I know :c

Stop crushing my dreams Smalls

Lol

[granite shard]

haha sorry gotta keep dreams realisitc

like even w writers, the land of the dead is more closed off now so no verification there

[real dove]

Yeah. Time will tell what we get

[warped shale]

The sculpture cannot create only change things

[real dove]

Sculpture are indeed not know for doing much

[real cedar]

That only holds true for monsters in the main world, we don't know much about the true limits of the Sculptor.
The statues are connected to the Sculptor, at least Drowned Rat says so - presumably she got her info from Lynch. The Murmurstone brought the stories into the land of the dead for the Sculptor, and Chary says the Murmurstone is itself deeply connected to the Sculptor.

[spiral mica]

Yeah, he's like a Daedra from Elder scrolls. He can only imitate, mimic and corrupt things. He is incapable of creating new things.

[real dove]

Ngl i find the fact we've pulled away from multiple sculptors over time to one, but is what is. Undoubtedly a connection between sculptor and statues, but I dont think it's the one creating them (Or maybe it is, just as people paint scenes to freeze moments of time?) Sadly with the end of the in game lore/event lore, hard to tell what the statues were really meant for. Hopefully we will see the online BOW now be updated

[spiral mica]

I mean, I was always under the impression that there was only one sculptor as like this cosmic being, but that the world of Hunt features many different cosmic beings.

[real cedar]

The earliest lore mentioned 'a sculptor' as if they were a class of entities but that's a remnant of the old lore back when the Sculptor was mistakenly identified as a sculptor but instead it was actually an Adze

multiple sculptors essentially became non-canon when that piece of lore didn't return to the Hunt website when the rest of the Louisiana Case File did

[warped shale]

I feel like in one of the Qna things the devs say explicitly the entire idea of the sculpture is that he changes sculpts and corrupts things but never creates

[real cedar]

Doesn't seem like that's there. The earliest QnA hints about sculpting more than bodies in relation to the weird hive structures around the map, and the latest one talks about the recreation cycle of the monsters.

I did only skim it though, might've missed it

[real dove]

it was something like "looks like it's a sculptor" and iirc there was a dev thing about this one being an insect themed scuptor... but is what is

[sinful bloom]

Could the stones be part sculptor or they separate things

[stable crown]

I want this so bad

[real cedar]

The one line describing the Murmurstone's connection to the Sculptor is hard to parse but it seems like they're pretty intrinsically linked.
Its presence demarcates a sacred boundary of the Sculptor's will and influence, much as the pomerium outlined the border of Rome. It is a force of physics and myth intertwined.

[analog dawn]

Hello Hunt Showdown team, I've been looking at an idea in my head for a while, I've been playing this game for a long time and here I come with an idea so it would actually be if possible to create the character Zorro plus he's part of the same era 1800 not the manga Zorro of course but more the real character look on the net you'll see finally here I think he would go well in this game 👍

[spiral mica]

I always figured they were intrinsically linked anyways because of the fact that Butcher's cleaver pulled the Murmurblade from the stone and the Demented pact was all about securing the stone.

I'd also say it's safe to assume that the Heliostone is also probably connected to the Sculptor for the most part.

[granite shard]

It seems more like heliostone is just a rock based on the latest lore bit

[real cedar]

I cant accept desert rose's speculation cause it's too underwhelming and she's got no occult credentials to back it up. "What if the real corruption was the choices we made along the way" is kinda of a bummer ending compared to the plot hook of gaining corruptive power from a mysterious small man and his face-shaped stone

[granite shard]

really? I think it honestly works so much better with the established idea of people's greed/own corruption leading to the sculptor gaining a foothold than there being another magic rock

otherwise it's too many unanswered questions about what the rock actually is/what its powers actually are, where it really came from, etc etc

[real cedar]

The problem is that the way they present it, Post Malone simply existing was enough to corrupt the circus (ironic in a way) - there was no inciting incident like we can speculate for DeSalle and Mammon's Gulch - and it doesn't explain why the circus itself is corrupted rather than the area where it first took hold. That it can move around the country definitely suggests it's the stone's doing rather than a natural incursion.

[granite shard]

but also if we see the circus itself as being the focus of his greed and the transitory nature of a circus, I think it being more of a traveling thing makes sense

[real cedar]

That they don't explain the stone much at all is also a bummer, but it does serve as an intriguing plot hook. I wasn't interested in it much until the small man comment got made, potentially linking it to the Lord of the Dead

[granite shard]

the sculptor works with what it's given and so I could see it being able to work with the idea that a circus travels around

[real cedar]

Another point towards the stone existing is that the circus supposedly travels through the land of the dead at will, a plot point that the murmurstone was heavily focused on.

[granite shard]

but also hunters can do that with shadow leap

[real cedar]

which came from the murmurstone

[granite shard]

is it from the murmurstone? it was introduced after the murmurstone was shot with finch's blood and the land of the dead was destabilized

my read was always it came more from the land of the dead's destabilization than a direct power granted from the murmurstone

like yeah wishy washy bc on one hand the murmurstone's "destruction" is what directly led to the lotd being destabilized but imo it's distinct from it

[real cedar]

The murmurstone survived, it scuttled off. Besides that, the totems get described as granting boons in exchange for secrets and stories by Cardinal Rain and Drowned Rat

[granite shard]

but also irt to the heliostone I don't think there was ever going to be a wholly satisfying answer for it since it mainly just existed to act as a hook for the post malone stuff

[real cedar]

True, in some ways it'd be better off if it wasn't another stone but then I'd prefer not to have to think about it at all in regards to other parts of the lore, either answer just raises weird questions when you try to link it to everything else

[granite shard]

I'm gonna be so for real rn

in terms of the greater hunt narrative scope. I'm just gonna ignore the murder circus lol

[real cedar]

Once we get new info to focus on I'd love to treat it like the Moon trilogy

[granite shard]

hunt's events and narrative have always existed to sell skins but like. idk I'm fine ignoring the event made to sell post malone

like the moon trilogy's timeline weirdness comes from the fact that it was meant to take us to the end of 95 and start of 96, and then that idea got pushed back on when the plan was to push the new map with the 96 year start. and the timeline weirdness is really where most of the bigger narrative problems with it stem from

[noble scarab]

Desalle and the related weapon entries also fucked the timeline

[granite shard]

other than that it builds off of the previous lore in a way that takes things on a new path, but still building without too many off the cuff additions. like the moon now an entity but the way she was introduced fits naturally within things-- she's impacted by the sculptor and can't directly influence things herself. it took chary's meddling in order for her to get a champion (and we see other entities with "champions" of sorts, with sofia being a handmaiden of Death)

whereas the murder circus... introduces literal post malone, the concept of a wandering incursion, a new magic rock, and people traveling through the land of the dead after its been restabilized. like none of these things are impossible and there's ways to defend all of them in the text (as I've done before haha), but it feels a lot less like "hey we have a narrative planned for this" and more of "we just need to put some set dressing here to justify this"

[noble scarab]

I like the concept of the circus

And it could’ve been a fun reoccurring thing

[granite shard]

I'm just sad that the bear is like

narratively locked to the circus

[real cedar]

Chary got half a revamp in the Tides trilogy, maybe the bear will go back to being from Grizzly Lodge somehow

[granite shard]

and one day I will get chary as a playable hunter

[gilded umbra]

I would like to see Lynch in the game. 😍

[earnest jungle]

I have a theory that the monster that came through the chimney was lynch herself

[gilded umbra]

Interesting 🤔

[spiral mica]

I actually kind of liked the whole emphasis that human greed is also a part of the corruption. Like when Lynch took advantage of hunters greed and lead them all into the land of the dead to destroy that giant insect, or when Preston and his group were experimenting with tokens and it lead to the birth of Hellborn and whatever was at Grizzly lodge.

Now granted, the whole greed leads to monstrosities archetype can be pretty tropey at times, but I think the way the narrative handles it in Hunt is a pretty solid depiction.

[real cedar]

It's a good theme, but it's a vehicle rather than a source. It surely can't be that "Post Malone was greedy and ambitious" -> Magic Corrupted Circus. There's a missing link that Desert Rose overlooks, and I think that's why she convinced herself that the stone is powerless. At least the Ringmaster is an understandable thing that can be blamed for everything that went wrong

[spiral mica]

Oh I definitely agree with you on the Post Malone aspect of it. That's why I clarified the Lynch and Preston greed instead of that one. Also I still don't like the notion that the "little man" that gave the Heliostone to Post Malone was probably Chary because it still wouldn't make any sense for him to do something like that. It would make sense for him to keep the Heliostone for himself and try to do what he wanted to do with the Murmurstone.

It's also a possibility that the little man who gave the Heliostone to Post Malone isn't Chary and my assumption is completely incorrect, but I really couldn't see who else it could be.

[real cedar]

It's definitely not Chary. I suspect (more like hope) that it's the Lord of the Dead. The small stature is described in BATS, where he determines who can pass into the Land of the Dead

It doesn't make much sense though, the exact reasons why he'd be out in the world and wanting to hide in the circus

[spiral mica]

When you say this "little man" determines who can pass into the land of the dead is it akin to how Cerberus guards the the underworld in Greek myth or is more like how the ferryman transports the dead across the river?

[real cedar]

I suppose like Cerberus, it's described in Bad As They Seem where the Twins complete a trial to enter it each time.

It wasn't described as the land of the dead in that but I believe the Beekeeper uses one of their phrases to refer to it, Butcher's House or Cold House or something

Hm, can't find the connection I mentioned, maybe I imagined it

[abstract parrot]

How can a character like the Scarecrow, who has embraced the Sculptor's will, in a lore-accurate manner defeat bosses created by the Sculptor?

I mean I love adding a touch of RP when I play, playing with the respective weapons of each character etc, I love the scarecrow but I don't see how to play it in a coherent way?

[real cedar]

The Demented view the bosses as imperfect creations, to be lovingly destroyed on their path to true ascendance. The Demented style themselves in a way to honor the bosses, but also envy how they're treated by the Sculptor and want to be in their position instead

[abstract parrot]

Oh that make sens, thanks for your answer and for your Compendiums btw, spend hours reading each details of the lore

[noble scarab]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/developer-insight-international-women-s-day

Tiny lore drop for some of our women hunters

[granite shard]

The tidbit abt wanting to explore more w the prescient’s lore is interesting

[noble scarab]

I wonder if that’s what they were going for during the ghosts event and the pact of omens

[sinful bloom]

it was probably like a side story type thing

[granite shard]

For the prescient specifically, I doubt it. I think this would be more of something they want to explore with her in the future now that there’s some sort of plan to have lore again

[noble scarab]

An update on all the moon hunters would be nice

Maybe the prescient is working to divine future incursion sites, kev is probably still dying daily. What’s Mary and the viper up to?

[granite shard]

Mary connected with the twins

[noble scarab]

The other Mary, Ochenkov. We have too many Marys

[granite shard]

Oh right

Haha

[brazen root]

I like that they want to explore the coolest hunter in the game more

[spiral mica]

To be fair it is a rather common name.

I think its like in the top 10 names for girls.

[real cedar]

It was the #1 name for girls in the US every decade from 1880 all the way up to 1969 according to social security data

The Prescient details are pretty interesting. I'd always glossed over how she was part of the AHA subgroup that covered up the supernatural

[spiral mica]

I really like the supernatural side that Hunt has. If they decide to elaborate on The Prescient's story I hope we'd see more of that theme.

Prescient was also a former member of the night of the hunt or whatever that doomsday is, right?

[granite shard]

Yeah

In serpent’s moon chary has her do a ritual thing that causes her to lose her sight but also see what will happen if the night seer is successful in his plans

[real cedar]

Kinda, she was tasked with "straightening out" Isaac Powell so she infiltrated them, became enamored with The Night Seer's power, but once she got that power for herself she rejected the Night of the Hunter

[granite shard]

Just for reference— the stuff from serpent moon

[spiral mica]

I'll have to read up more on this later because I still don't quite understand all the Night Seer and Night of the Hunter stuff.

Initially the way I understood it was that basically Prescient used to be a member of the same faction that Isaac Powell belongs to but she defected for some reason unbeknownst to me.

However, when you say that she was "tasked with straightening out Isaac so she infiltrated them" leads me to now believe that she wasn't really truly a part of the Night of the Hunter to begin with like I initially thought.

[granite shard]

I don’t recall that part in her lore

Oh wait no yeah it’s there in the DLC

I think she became genuinely charmed by him tho

[noble scarab]

Didn’t chary imply they were fucking?

[real cedar]

It's reaching a bit to take this

“I see he trusts you,” said Mr. Chary, “intimately.” He paused at that.```
as them having a relationship but not impossible I guess. It's enough for headcanon shippers ![HUL](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/872793404336132127.webp?size=128 "HUL")  
I think that it's more Chary manipulating Ira as he soon moves the convo to Powell not trusting her with everything, but that he can provide the information instead.

[noble scarab]

Chary being chary, who knows

[spiral mica]

Intimately doesn't necessarily mean romantically. You can be Intimate with a good friend or family member.

Although, just going by Chary's devilish nature and the way it's worded it could be romantically implied.

[earnest jungle]

I’m with Tib on this one

[earnest jungle]

Theoretically yeah but given the context and the emphasis placed of “intimate” it’s clearly being used as a euphemism for a romantic or sexual relationship.

[granite shard]

Yeah I think he’s making a dig at her there with that

[earnest jungle]

Like it doesn’t necessarily mean their relationship is in fact sexual or romantic but Chary is clearly implying such a connection

He’s saying something without saying it as it were

Of course Chary is certainly one to talk

Like I know this is hardly proof of anything but Mr Chary has always struck me as a tad… pansexual

[noble scarab]

Chary:

[earnest jungle]

Okay which hunters pour the milk in first and then pour the cereal into the bowl? Go:

I think Hardin definetly goes milk then cereal

[coarse lion]

Nah Hardin does it cereal then milk

The correct way

[tribal smelt]

Hardin definitely doesn’t do cereal first

Dudes psycho

[earnest jungle]

I feel like Hardin does milk first not because he’s psychotic but because he’s just evil

Like Hardin isn’t deranged, or stupid, he’s just a bad person who understands right from wrong and just freely choses to be evil

Sure he doesn’t need to send legions of orphans into the swamps to fight monsters but they’re there and he’ll get paid it some of them survive and it’s not like anyone’s going to notice or care about a trainload of orphans just disappearing into the swamps

[spiral mica]

That's... really true actually, but I'd say the moss would be way older than a century.

[earnest jungle]

This is the 1890s they’ed just end up as slaves on some farm out west; crawling through claustrophobic ventilation shafts in some mine; or using their tiny delicate hands to reach into the crevices of broken machines that the adults hands are too big to fit inz

[tribal smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/losing-it-snapped-mr-krabs-eye-twitch-gif-4376164

[earnest jungle]

Sure he fed those orphans to the hell hound the way an irresponsible cat owner feeds their outdoor cats to coyotes; but those orphans were already middle aged by the time they hit 13 anyway

[tribal smelt]

The slow descent into madness

[earnest jungle]

We’re already there buddy

We’re already there

[tribal smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-insane-cat-crazy-cat-tweaking-gif-3749357198658649145

[earnest jungle]

The orphans thing actually happened btw

That’s cannon

[tribal smelt]

Oddly specific however I feel hardin ain’t THAT evil

Fr???

[earnest jungle]

He started handing out guns; then when he ran out of guns he started giving them knives; and those were the lucky ones

[tribal smelt]

Why would the kid given a knife be lucky?

I’d rather have a gun in the bayou

[earnest jungle]

Because some of them didn’t even get knives

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-confessions-of-sheriff-hardin-pt-1

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-confessions-of-sheriff-hardin-pt-2

I might be misremembering maybe they all got knives

[tribal smelt]

This games lore is actually insane omg

[earnest jungle]

But either way he sent 200 children out to fight demonic dogs at night with no training because if a couple of them survived Huff would pay for the new recruits

[tribal smelt]

And only 5 came back

Shits insane

[earnest jungle]

And he shot one of those five because he was too good at hunting

[tribal smelt]

Dude is actually a monster

[real cedar]

I do like that it's not all for nothing, his core bio does credit him with saving a fair bit of Louisiana from the spread of corruption in the early stages back when there wasn't enough people involved

[earnest jungle]

Like I said Hardin isn’t stupid; he isn’t nuts; he’s just straight up evil

[tribal smelt]

Sure he saved a fair bit but like he sacrificed so many people for jt

[earnest jungle]

Hardin understands right from wrong he just doesn’t care anymore; the ends justify the means.

He’s also just like insanely corrupt

[real cedar]

In a war movie he'd be the jaded general who sends his men into the meatgrinder and ignores some captain's plea that there must be a better way, if only he'd sign off on some costly plan that could turn the tides

[earnest jungle]

Back when he was a deputy then sheriff of New Orleans was a straight up serial killer who used to murder homeless people and when one of the other deputies finally snapped and put a stop to it Hardin seized on the chance to make a name for himself by running him to ground.

And he did so through a combination of offering a large bounty and threatening to kill anyone who sheltered him

[coarse lion]

Lore accurate for late 1800s lawmen

[earnest jungle]

Hardins brand of law and order is as harsh and cruel as it is self serving and hypocritical.

Hardins the kind of man to turn a blind eye to his boss murdering homeless people and then frame the person who finally decides to put a permanent stop to those murders for those very murders just to advance his own career.

[real cedar]

Others attribute the self serving part but idk if I see it. In a sense, all ideologues are self serving in the way that if they're not in power then their beliefs can't flourish, and Hardin believes hard in Order.

Sheriff killing vagrants? Order is preserved. Sheriff gets revealed to be killing vagrants? Can't have that, it'll fracture trust in the cops. Blame it on another and cover it up.

[earnest jungle]

And as a consequence Hardin gets a nice feather in his cap

Hardin can and certainly will talk about law and order and louisiana justice and his uncompromising duty to upholding the law; but he’ll throw all of those same principles away if he thinks it will be to his advantage.

He presents himself as a diligent lawman who would never work with criminals to the benefactors out west but his relationship with Sofia and Lulu and his willingness to offer a truce to Felis probe otherwise

[real cedar]

That's why I think he's only about Order. In his mind there's no laws in the bayou, only cops.

[earnest jungle]

And at the end of the day that order always benefits himself in some way

If the Statesman did not have the backing of the benefactors he would have done nothing to rescue him and he admits as much

[tribal smelt]

Isn’t Sofia just a normal person on a revenge mission for her husband?

[real cedar]

Sofia's got this weird mystical promise with Death itself that got sidelined when she was introduced to the event stories

[earnest jungle]

Sofia and Lulu are lesbian lovers whose idea of a fun date is torturing the people who murdered Sofia’s family to death and potentially just misogynistic and abusive men in general.

[tribal smelt]

Jesus Christ

[earnest jungle]

The lore is extensive

They’re not even the only Gay couple in the game

[tribal smelt]

This games lore is actually like really dark compared to what they show with the brief descriptions

[real cedar]

Wait til you hear about the meathead

[tribal smelt]

Based off the description I’ve seen when loading in I don’t think I want to

Gonna be unbelievably fucked up

[earnest jungle]

Wait until you read about what Lulu and Sofia did to a Bishop who was described as having small hands, sickly blond hair, and a pallid orange complexion.

The Lemat Marksman Lore is wild

And yes though the server censors will not let me speak his name

That bishop is a pastiche of exactly who you think it is

[tribal smelt]

I haven’t a clue

[earnest jungle]

Sorry the Lemat Carbine and Martini-Henry Ironsides lore is wild

[tribal smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-have-the-foggiest-clue-whats-going-on-here-franklin-finbar-mouse-kevin-hart-jumanji-the-next-level-gif-16164687

I’m sorry even the guns have lore??

Ain’t it just a gun??

[earnest jungle]

Used to

The book of weapons was the main source for a lot of the lore

Every time a weapon or a variant dropped we used to get a short story that took place in the Hunt Universe with it

[real cedar]

Better off for it tbh, that connection to irl issues kinda cheapens the whole thing, rather than showing a bonnie and bonnie crime duo doing their own thing in 1895 it becomes some sort of weird fanfiction type thing.

[earnest jungle]

Anyway this is how the story ends

Honestly I go back and forth over whether I see this entire episode is incredibly cringe or just hard as fuck

[tribal smelt]

That last part is genuinely insane

Holy fuck

GIVE US THE LORE BOOKS BACK🗣️🗣️💯

[earnest jungle]

Hunt lore goes hard as fuck;

[tribal smelt]

He’s just kinky

Can’t convince me otherwise

[earnest jungle]

This guy cut off his own face and then shoved a salt bag over his head

[neat juniper]

that's normal

[earnest jungle]

The man literally has no face under that bad

And he did that to forget the fact that he murdered dismembered and crucified his wife and son

[tribal smelt]

HOW would that make one forget they did that

[tribal smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/jaw-drop-shocked-face-funny-sus-gif-6800971269662910489

[neat juniper]

something something pain overrides thoughts + "i am punished for that, i am forgiven, i felt so guilty, i am fine now :)"

[earnest jungle]

Basucally

Anyway he tortured himself so extensively and for so long he actually lost the ability to feel pain which led to the whole cutting off his own face and shoving salt into the open wounds thing

[neat juniper]

you gotta escalate, that's OBVIOUSLY the reasonable option

[earnest jungle]

And it didn’t even work

The memories cane back anyway

[neat juniper]

best part is, he lost ability to feel pain but as soon as he's even touched by a grunt in game everyone hears cries of pain

[tribal smelt]

So let me get this straight. He murdered, dismembered, and then crucified his family and then afterwards feeling guilt and the weight of what he did decided to literally torture himself to the point he physically can’t feel pain anymore?

[neat juniper]

yep

[tribal smelt]

And then escalated to Chopping his entire face off

And shoving salt into it

[earnest jungle]

It’s all in his DLC page

[neat juniper]

wait what
did they just completely move lore from ingame to steam???

[tribal smelt]

How do you find all these remnants of the lore?

[neat juniper]

is there at least a crumb of it left

[tribal smelt]

I’m a console plebian it doesn’t show me any lore on the store ):

[neat juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[tribal smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-frantic-the-voices-gif-4777666775328982944

[earnest jungle]

And the voices got so loud he skinned his face and rubbed salt on the exposed wound

[tribal smelt]

For pleasure

[earnest jungle]

For the love of the game

Oh that’s not the only backstory that involves people being skinned alive

[tribal smelt]

As bad as this is gonna sound do please tell

It’s kinda interesting even though it feels like it shouldn’t

Yknow

[earnest jungle]

So the Witch Hunter’s little sister was skinned alive by long running antagonist Lynch who is now wearing said little sister’s skin as a suit

[tribal smelt]

Didnt lynch also kill the head of the hunters association?

[earnest jungle]

Yep

And created the Drowned

Lynch is a witch and witches in Hunt Showdown draw from Hag folklore in that they’re skinless monsters who steal peoples skin so to blend in with humanity

What Lynch was before she became a witch isn’t clear but if she was ever a human being she threw her humanity away long ago in the pursuit of supernatural power

Not much is known of her backstory; at some point she had a mother who sang Devil in the Churchyard to her as a lullaby and she has some kind of deep-seated personal grudge against the Sculptor - the entity responsible for most of the monsters we fight in game.

She’s also believed to have been the inventor of the Hive Bomb.

Her entire deal is that she’s spent so long gazing into the abyss and the abyss has spent so long gazing into her she just perfectly fine with becoming something just as monstrous as the sculptor if it means settling their grudge.

[tribal smelt]

So the sculptor is he like a supernatural being that’s created the “plague” or?

[earnest jungle]

Basically

We know very little about what it wants or why it does what it does but we do know a few things. It’s name stems from the fact that the Sculptor can’t create things

Instead he twists or corrupts things that already exists

[tribal smelt]

So basically sculpts things into his vision and corrupts them? Which is again why he’s the “sculptor”?

[earnest jungle]

Exactly

And his powers are especially pronounced on the young

Hives are what happens when parasitic wasps crawl up a persons Uterus and then built a nest that grows inside them until it explodes through their torso chest-buster style

Imagine what the sculptor could do with a fetus

[tribal smelt]

Aren’t meatheads from fetuses?

[earnest jungle]

Well you don’t have to because this was the result:

[tribal smelt]

And they eventually just get so big they make the “host” like implode?

[earnest jungle]

Yep

[earnest jungle]

Not quite

The original meathead was the bouncing baby boy of Hannah Kinney

Hannah and her husband were both hunters snd they were both inoculated; meaning they both had demon blood swirling around inside them

So when Hannah got pregnant… the result was her giving birth to a giant headless toddler filled with leaches who disemboweled and devoured her as it did

It’s not clear whether marked are all made the exact same way or if they’re like templates the Sculptor can turn anyone into

I suspect the later because I don’t think there are enough pregnant women in the Bayou for all of the Meatheads to have been corrupted fetuses

Perhaps the meatheads are the answer to why we never see child grunts

[real cedar]

I think the more generic ones like grunts and armoreds are infected and turned (Monroe recognizes the face of an armored once) while the specialized ones are sculpted which is why all hives have the same face

[earnest jungle]

Oh and I stand corrected the meathead hannah gave birth to was not the size of a toddler… it was the size of a kindergartner

[upbeat kiln]

"A scent lingers in the air—earthy, rich, and laced with something unnatural. The land shifts, whispers rise, and an old power awakens.

Change is coming."

@earnest jungle Is that Lynch's knife?

[earnest jungle]

Kinda looks like it but give me a sec

[upbeat kiln]

Right?

[earnest jungle]

Yeah that looks like lynch’s knife

Oooooooooh

[upbeat kiln]

My girl is back to wreck havoc ❤️

[earnest jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-evil-smile-evil-plan-smile-gif-15396049

[granite shard]

I’d be curious to see if they have any sort of narrative for the upcoming event (assuming this is a teaser for that) since it’s a relatively short turnaround from not having a narrative lead to having one again

[earnest jungle]

The Narrative lead writing the next event story line:

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-typing-essay-school-smart-gif-4851885

[real cedar]

That space in the background, is that a DeSalle teaser or just a generic building?

[earnest jungle]

I was gonna comission Lori for some art of Lynch but I might just have to wait a little while if there’s a chance we might get an actual depiction of her

[earnest jungle]

I remeber DeSale being more autumn and this looks more spring

[real cedar]

That's easy to change with screwing with the lightning in this render, I just don't recognize the building so it might be a unique scene crafted for the sake of the teaser

🤔 it does kinda look like a matte painting in the background, maybe they rendered the room then slapped the image on

[earnest jungle]

Where did you find this?

[real cedar]

Socials posted it, twitter is down but instagram and presumably facebook have it

[upbeat kiln]

It's posted on Facebook :))

[granite shard]

Is Twitter still down? Damn

[earnest jungle]

It’s up for me so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real cedar]

Ayy now it's working, for the last hour it wasn't loading posts though the website functioned

[earnest jungle]

Found the post on insta

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHBsMgPqZt7/?igsh=MTZhNTc2Z3lodHloMQ==

huntthegame

A scent lingers in the air—earthy, rich, and laced with something unnatural. The land shifts, whispers rise, and an old power awakens.

Change is coming.

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“A scent lingers in the air - earthly, rich, and laced with something unnatural. The land shifts, whispers rise, and an old power awakens.”

That’s lynch

Or whatever the fuck crawled out the chimney of Grizzly Lodge

Which I believe is Lynch

[real cedar]

New Mosin skin teased as well, looks like the stock got replaced and it's got blue cloth wrap

[earnest jungle]

I didn’t even notice that

Hey @tribal smelt how much do you know about Lynch?

[real cedar]

Full image finally posted to twitter, nothing new revealed

[tribal smelt]

Pretty much nothing. I know he killed the aha leader to like prevent the virus or whatever hunt “is” for money

[earnest jungle]

Well for starters Lynch is a she

[tiny plover]

Is that Stillwater in the backround? Cyprus Huts no?

[earnest jungle]

She’s also the inventor of the Inoculation that grants people dark sight and hunt without becoming infected

[tiny plover]

No, roof isnt big enough

[tiny plover]

Its made of demon blood and human sacrifice

[earnest jungle]

Yep

Specifically it’s made by flaying a living human sacrifice, making rope from their skin, and then using their body to summon a demon that is then bound with the skin rope and “distilled” into the serum

[tribal smelt]

So I’m assuming she killed the leader in order to keep the “hunt” going and make more money by selling her serum?

[earnest jungle]

As far as we can tell she killed him on a whim

They had been working together then one night she had him assassinated

It’s possible she this was part of a botched coup

Hunt was not well liked and was not exactly a competent leader

He was a racist misogynist who had allowed the corruption to fester for years so he could use it to conduct occult experiments involving mind control and immortality.

[granite shard]

Maybe a teaser for the next event compound

[earnest jungle]

Under Huff’s leadership the AHA conducted MK Ultra shit on Pelican Island Prison through Warden Jabez that ultimately culminated in a violent riot and is speculated by a the author of the custom ammo notes to have been what drew the Sculptor to DeSalle in the first place

And she wasn’t even the only one gunning for him an entirely different faction which Victor Caldwell was involved with was actively sabotaging him and trying to take out him and his militia of patients turned hunters

Huff had a knack for turning Allies into Enemies now that I think about it

Lynch, Hardin, Caldwell, Winfield, Finch.

No friendship or partnership - no matter how strong and old it seems just could never survive a five minute conversation with the man

[tribal smelt]

Hardin just turned evil didn’t he?

Or did he also become an enemy after his “hunting”

[spiral mica]

Looks a little rainy

[earnest jungle]

No Hardin was always evil

But Huff, Hardin, Lynch, and Finch used to work together

And then they had some kind of falling out and Hardin got kicked out of the polycue

[spiral mica]

Imagine rain on mammon's gulch. I've been higher up in the mountains than that and it can get a lot of rain.

[earnest jungle]

Lynch was actually Hardin’s mentor IIRC or maybe it was the other way around

When Ada Ruth Shell’s mother became the first hive they were the two who hunted her down

[lucid anvil]

Hunt lore a-stirring?~ I’m exciteeeed

[spiral mica]

I wouldn't say Hardin is necessarily evil, but his image for justice is a little bit warped. Hardin is like the Frank Castle of hunt. He's just going around killing who he personally believes is vermin undeserving of life.

[earnest jungle]

Just to clarify when I say Lynch, Huff, Finch, and Hardin were in a polly relationship this is a joke that is not cannon

I say this because there are a bunch of canonical queer relationships and I feel the need to distinguish what’s a joke from what’s cannon

[spiral mica]

We're hopeful again

The image appears to feature Lynch's knife too so maybe some new Lynch lore.

[real cedar]

All it took was adding Lynch's knife and I'm fully back to trusting the plan

[tribal smelt]

Have we ever seen lynch?

[upbeat kiln]

In every dream I have

I can fix her

[lucid anvil]

XD

[upbeat kiln]

I actually think Collins is the only one to describe her physically

[real cedar]

Not exactly but we've seen The Witch Hunter and since Lynch wears her little sister's skin you can get a good enough idea

[spiral mica]

She is depicted in writing and in similar fashion to Chary, many people have speculated what she could actually look like.

[granite shard]

She looks old apparently

[earnest jungle]

I have a google doc speculating on her appearance with citations and everything

[real cedar]

Drowned Rat confirms Collins' description as white haired at least

[spiral mica]

Other than that we've never physically seen what she looks like. I believe it mentions somewhere that she has white hair and she's a little old looking which is fitting seeing as how she's also this sort of witch of some kind.

[real dove]

irish woman

[earnest jungle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D71ahwc-02aIPGROLF4qeAknz1-QC1PcAFnzrb1hy24/edit

[real dove]

white hair

pretty much all we got, right

[spiral mica]

Wait, she's Irish?

[granite shard]

Yeah

[spiral mica]

She could be a druid I guess

Or at least she could've formally been a druid. I don't think her goals and disposition exactly match that of what a druid is.

[earnest jungle]

It’s been speculated before she might be a loa

[granite shard]

I mean I think she is just straight up a witch

[earnest jungle]

Probably

[real cedar]

It'd be a massive fumble by two respected witch hunters to misidentify her

[spiral mica]

Loa as in the Haitian voodoo spirits?

[earnest jungle]

Basically yeah

They’re derived in part from West African deities that were combined with Catholic Saints and other indigenous deities and demigods of the Caribbean

It’s complicated and it’s been a decade since I did my research on Hatian Vodou which is very different from Louisiana Voodoo

Which placed more of an emphasis on ancestor worship and has its own distinct practices and beliefs

[spiral mica]

Yeah, and you've also got Dominican Vudú which also features Lwa/Loa.

[earnest jungle]

And then there’s Hoodoo which is folk religion all across the American South which is distinct from Voodoo/Vodou/Vudú but gets conflated with it a bunch

And that’s before we even get into all of the shit white people made up about the African Diasporic Religions because they collectively shit their pants when Hatian slaves successfully overthrew French Colonial rule.

I’ve mentioned this before but voodoo dolls aren’t actually a thing in Voodoo/Vodou/Vudú or Hoodoo for that matter

“Voodoo Dolls” do exist in Folk Magical traditions but as far as I can tell they’re mostly a european phenomenon.

Sympathetic magic dolls exists everywhere but “dolls you stab to kill or harm someone” seems to be a european invention.

And their usual purpose was to protect, heal, or help. What we would today call “white magic”

[warped shale]

white magic good

black magic bad

👍

[earnest jungle]

Basically and of course I could get into the racial undertones to the european dichotomy of white and black being associated with good and evil respectively but I’ve soapboxed enough for one day

[acoustic whale]

batman is called the dark knight

he is good

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[faint nimbus]

Is the teaser image just a render or does it actually take place in some ingame location

[granite shard]

if we got a circus in the last event it's possible we get something new in this one

so it could be an event compound?

[faint nimbus]

would be cool to see an overgrown mini compound

Seeing as how this event is probably lynch themed I hope they go very heavy into the occult and super natural side

[earnest jungle]

We don't know it's lynch themed so we should probably keep our expectations in check

The knife certainly does look like Lynches but it could be a misdirect

[faint nimbus]

I know but after seeing the knife I just jumped the shark because I want to get my hopes up for once

[earnest jungle]

I think it'll definetly have something to do with her in some way though

even if she doesn't appear directly

[noble scarab]

They have reused assets plenty, her knife in particular

[granite shard]

I think that even if it is lynch themed rn, with the state of the narrative (still minimal) it would be incredibly disappointing

[noble scarab]

Maybe she finds a new magic or not magic rock

[granite shard]

haha

[earnest jungle]

Each event will introduce a new magic stone building up to the final story line where all the factions race to unite all the stones together

Lynch gathering all the magic talk rocks:

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[noble scarab]

Technically isn’t the murmur stone still out there somewhere? It should be in the land of the dead because it was banished

[earnest jungle]

correct

[gilded umbra]

“An old power awakens”. 🤔

[orchid tangle]

I'm a little skeptical because I thought they said they were gonna take a break from these events to do a bigger health operation. But if it's Lynch themed or something like her I will enjoy it

[noble scarab]

Someone on the subreddit was theorizing we’d get a health update then the event later

I think if they try and do both then we end up with more broken shit

But who knows

[orchid tangle]

we could still get the health first and this is a really early teaser

but just to be blunt sometimes crytek straight up lies so who knows

[noble scarab]

And update with a ton of bug fixes, some ui improvements, and maybe a few new skins would be amazing

[verbal cobalt]

mosin carbine maybr

maybe

[granite shard]

I feel like if they’re teasing the event like this, it’ll come w the health update

Idk I’m really hoping it’s not lynch this early onto there being hope for the narrative again since she’s so big and more than anything having her be put in feels like it’d be an attempt at fanservice to make lore people happy to an extent as opposed to an actual story on her

[orchid tangle]

health update packed with other stuff is better than no health update but it just kinda rubs me the wrong way since that's also what the 1896 launch was supposed to be

[noble scarab]

Please no this feels like something crytek would do

[earnest jungle]

I really do hope this is just like an early teaser and that they're just teasing an event planned for the second or third quarter of 2025

[orchid tangle]

there will be a scene where lynch has all the protagnists beat about to kill them and then a portal opens and Finch walks out of it and says "miss me?"

[sinful bloom]

I mean with 1 story writer on idk about that smalls

[earnest jungle]

Don’t joke

[noble scarab]

Apollo is always watching^

[earnest jungle]

It's all fun and games until Apollo loads the red rubber ball into his M42 Fatman launcher

[orchid tangle]

tbh if it happens it'll happen later than I thought

I was scared watching the cinematic 1896 trailer they were getting a little too close to marvel one liners in that for me

[granite shard]

They have a lead narrative designer now and have talked recently about wanting to do things with lore again

I doubt we’ll be getting anything significant w this event tho bc stuff takes time to cook

Like you might be able to write something quickly, but things in businesses don’t move fast due to all the approvals necessary and whatnot

[acoustic whale]

who is stronger sculptor or lynch?

[granite shard]

Probably the sculptor

[sinful bloom]

Sculptor

[earnest jungle]

Lynch is whole deal is that she wants to become strong enough to defeat the sculptor so deffinetly the Sculptor

[noble scarab]

lynch wanted to basically be the sculptor, and chary wanted to be lynch, thus the cycle continues

either that or chary just had a beef with the moon for some reason

[ember halo]

Did anyone translate the writing on the wall? Is the picture high res enough on desktop?

[heady tree]

What happened to the stone at the end of the Murder Circus story?

[warped shale]

I eat’d it

[spiral mica]

Hopefully it disappeared forever never to be seen again.

[warped shale]

the kid just tripped over it and broke it

[spiral mica]

Jokes aside though it likely went back to the land of the dead along with the rest of the circus. Nothing really clarifies what happened to it.

[warped shale]

https://tenor.com/view/im-only-human-after-all-rory-charles-graham-human-im-just-a-human-normal-human-gif-17597509

[spiral mica]

For all we know Sofia still had some of those magical silver blood bullets and destroyed it like the Murmurstone. That would be incredibly awesome if that happened, but unfortunately she forgot to destroy the rest of the circus.

[real cedar]

It's generic voynich that doesn't translate to anything, I recognise some of the words from the target dummies

[tiny plover]

Objectivly yeah that'd suck. But if they use her as just a teaster skin for lore stuffs they plan to do? That'd be ok. Pandering maybe, but like, thats what ya do for your game's players in varying degrees

Ive been wanting a white haired witch skin in the game for ages now. If they pull a desert rose on her, dropping her without and event/lore, to tee up something else, eh, they've done worse lol.

"Lynch is back in town, and she's doing... something" kinda beat

[ruby current]

Somehow, Lynch returned.

[earnest jungle]

Well we know how lynch returned; she was summoned into the land of the liivng through the chimney of Grizzly Lodge in an occult ritual gone horibly wrong (for the cultists atleast)

[warped shale]

wait so the 3 on the cover of the game

What ends up happening to them?

the girl is in the tide of desolation trailer

and she has the black guys drilling

[real cedar]

That's not Caitlyn, its a Tier 2 that just looks identical. The Cover Trio only became a thing in lore after 1896 and even then, we don't know shit about them except what we can guess from their appearance

[warped shale]

weird I wonder why they didn’t just use existing characters

[granite shard]

None of the non-legendary hunters really had any sort of character beyond being random cannon fodder prior to the 1896 update

[warped shale]

Yes they do or did idk afaik some legendary hunters got demoted in the 1896 update

[granite shard]

Legendary hunter just has a different meaning now

It used to be tiered hunters vs legendary hunters

Legendary hunters were the ones with set names and backstories whereas tiered hunters only had randomized names. That’s changed now but a lot of people still use the term legendary hunter for the non-tiered guys

[real dove]

When was this said?

Reread the lore and shes not even mentioned

[spiral mica]

I actually appreciate that most of the tiered hunters aren't just being treated as generic cannon fodder anymore. They each have their stories, but It's still a possibility that a lot of them will die.

[earnest jungle]

Give me a second and I’ll explain my logic

[spiral mica]

I think it's also perfectly fine to give people that are expected to die a little bit of character development before offing them in the story. They've done this plenty of times with other characters during the events for example (i.e Skinned, Gar)

[warped shale]

Yea because there’s several trailers for dlc hunters that say there legendary when they ain’t

[real dove]

Legendary hunters USED to be the dlc/bb/twitch ones

Now we have a rarity system so it's meaningless however a lot of us who were here before the change still call them legendary hunters

Just as smalls said

I don't mind the progressive hunters

However I liked the random t1-3s as it felt like the AHA hiring anyone they could to kill monsters

[warped shale]

so is the in game tier system meant I reference the character in universe skill or something?

[real cedar]

Yeah, you can see it in how they hold their weapons in the lobby. T1s have no trigger discipline

[warped shale]

Wait no way

Fr?

[earnest jungle]

So the logic goes thusly: two monsters were unleashed in Mammon’s Gulch one came out of the oil wells the other out of the chimney of Grizzly Lodge; I think whatever knew boss/wild target is coming in the next event is the creature that came from the chimney. And if that boss is Lynch then that would mean Lynch came from the Chimney.

I will be the first to say though I have no solid proof for this theory.

Thr closest I got is that the teaser describes this new wild target/boss/ai as an ancient power awakening that smells of earth, and something unnatural

[warped shale]

I hope the next event brings the big money roll

[earnest jungle]

And whatever crawled out of the chimney is associated with sage

I freely admit this is a tenuous theory

I’m not even exactly sure there were two monsters that came from Mammon’s Gulch and it could just be the narrative being unreliable

[real cedar]

Yup

[warped shale]

Lmao

How did I not notice

[real dove]

Reading back, it sounds like the "creature" birthed from the chimney was likely the corruption itself- it should be noted however, that after following some kind of flaming, lumbering monster (Possibly we had multiple HJs created since the story makes it out as if there are more than 1, with Delacroix being one/the last). The Lodge was being used to store the bounties, and Harold himself says

"The Lodge's chimney is covered in hardened pustules and forms a “birth canal," for lack of better terminology. Through it, the Demented and their jester found the remnants of a mass storage site of Bounty Tokens. The trio glowed in Dark Sight from its contaminated energies.
I cannot prove much, but if I were to venture at a cause for a Corruption springing forth from this Token depository, it would be ritual tampering.
We were no strangers to occult “experimentation" in the bayou. We recognized it here. It was as brutal and barbaric as always."

In time, we could very well see a new monster but I STRONGLY suspect that they had created an iteration of HJ in the lodge. We will see (assuming the lore comes back)

[real cedar]

The main thing that points to two monsters is that Hellborn burns people to death, but we get a bunch of bisected people thrown around in a bloody mess, along with sage being only connected to the bodies and otherwise unmentioned in relation to Hellborn. My own theory is that it was meant to hint towards Ursa Mortis before that idea got scrapped and reformed into the circus bear we got

[earnest jungle]

HJ?

[real dove]

Hotjaw

[noble scarab]

bigolator

[rotund ferry]

Who’s lynch

I’m confused

[real dove]

i doubt it. We have multiple firey dudes in the event lore

[real cedar]

We do?

[real dove]

seemed like it to me

at the least, seems like something is able to pop up randomly across the landscape

[granite shard]

I think the main thing that points to the chimney thing not being lynch and instead being either the big boy or another monster is mostly the corruption/sculptor angle of it all

[rotund ferry]

Smalls who’s lynch

[granite shard]

since yeah there's sculptor taint in the land of the dead, but I don't think that a sculptor summoning sort of ritual would be what summons lynch

[granite shard]

a witch who's very important to the lore. currently she's in the land of the dead

[rotund ferry]

Huh?

[granite shard]

If you check out the pinned lore document by rai you can read up on her

[rotund ferry]

Was she in tides?

[granite shard]

Yes

She’s the white haired witch who made the drowned

In tide of desolation

[rotund ferry]

Oh like kid and rat

[granite shard]

Yes

I’d suggest reading up on her lore in the doc since she’s pretty prolific in meddling in the bayou

[rotund ferry]

Is she bad

Or good

[granite shard]

Seemingly bad

Again, I think it’s best to just read everything on her. It’s not a super long read

[real cedar]

Perhaps the stalking part is about how Hellborn is a wandering boss?
Aside from popping up here and there, it seems pretty linear. Delacroix becomes Hellborn -> Crawls out -> Burns the surveyors -> burns the oil fields/Stalks Researcher
Grizzly lodge doesn't factor into it, so something else killed the ritualgoers. The guy in the quarry that got bisected even had a letter from Delacroix, suggesting shit was beginning to go wrong before the Hellborn was even on the scene. Snare thinks it's a different creature entirely as well.

[granite shard]

I think regardless, it’s more likely some sort of monster as opposed to lynch herself

[real dove]

Dunno

Could not be Dela at all

could be simply a fire demon, and dela is one of many sacrificed to him

the fact that the sage is there when the trappers are there (and find the dela note ABOUT the sage) makes me think he's just the last in line

or that there are many

[acoustic whale]

wtf is sculptor's problem?

[spiral mica]

He's just a funny guy

[lucid anvil]

Just a lil guy

Doin silly lil guy things

:3

[granite shard]

https://press.crytek.com/cursed-nature-meets-corrupted-metal-in-hunt-showdown-1896s-latest-in-game-event-garden-of-the-witch

despite the name, doesn't sound lynch related

Garden of the Witch sees cursed nature and Corrupted metal clash. In the story of the Bruja duo and the Welders, each group fights against the Corruption with their own strengths. The Brujas bring organic mysticism to the table, while the Welders are armed with industrial occult practices and fire.