lore-discussion

[real cedar]

HazmatFTW has the biggest collection of lore videos to watch

[vast nebula]

Thank you

[noble scarab]

Where’s our alien guy, rachta found him some proof https://youtube.com/shorts/0fV4hCRMWoA?si=MSaFvc8BMP9joiO0

[spiral mica]

I mean, he's not wrong. The Shredder and this event have been some of the most alien and outlandish stuff in the game so far, and not necessarily in a good way.

[unkempt sigil]

I need an answer because I can't find a straight one. Are Grotesque: Shank and Gouge the same character?

[real cedar]

Yes, it's the same guy with a slightly different outfit. The promo images where it shows a duo isn't supported by the text describing just one guy.

[unkempt sigil]

Oh okay, I was wondering about that after I found the lore on the doc. Is there a reason he has two skins?

[real cedar]

Not that I know of. Of all the characters to have more than one skin, the guy locked in a pit for decades is the very last pick. Did they decide to make a second mask for him at some point? Did he love his prison outfit so much he recreated it later when free? It makes no sense.
On a meta level, it seems more like two versions of a concept art were pushed forward and whoever made the model got both done.

[unkempt sigil]

I got the impression one was from when he was initially imprisoned and the other one is when he got out. Because Gouge is much dirtier

But I was hoping for a more clear answer XD

[real cedar]

That mostly makes sense except for the differences in the mask itself, which would require forging a whole new one.
Just one of the silly design decisions that've been made since mid 2023

[unkempt sigil]

I see, well thank you for the answer!

[unkempt sigil]

I really loved both skins and I figured maybe they were brothers or something but this throws a wrench into things :U

[mint wind]

I actually read it as 2 different people, one being accused wrongfully for the crimes the other committed, but ultimately they became smilar criminals.

[sinful bloom]

same

[real cedar]

It's a dual skin, interesting

Mercy Scribner was a legend before she could even ride, outshooting her pa by the time she was five. A frontier trick shooter turned circus star, she dazzled crowds with both her aim and her tales—until the HelioStone changed it all...

So she was supposed to be the Bloody Red / Grotesque of this event but something screwed up I guess

[real dove]

yeah

[plucky lynx]

both really nice

[granite shard]

Wow she really just changes her shirt lol

[real cedar]

Want a new shirt? That'll be 900bb 🙂

[real dove]

she also puts a belt on

:)

and different colored gloved

gloves

what else?

[orchid tangle]

I kinda think it might've been an addition when they realized the wait was not the hype they thought it'd be

[noble scarab]

Perhaps if it hadn’t released as the event was ending it’d have some hype

[real dove]

I agree with Rai

I suspect she was meant to be released way earlier on

[real cedar]

She got a starring role in the trailer and everything

[real dove]

Possibly with all the skins they added, she was pushed back or such

[real cedar]

and like 10 different skins all for her

[real dove]

but the fact her weapons are in the BP is just

odd

[real cedar]

They did it once before with Pappy Redneck being late to the game and having a BP skin, seems like some part of the skin pipeline just isn't working right

[real dove]

yeah

dunno

maybe it's not wanting to release them at the same time as DLC?

Event starts, we get new BB hunter giggles and xmas scarecrow, crytek goes on break, then DLC and Year of the Snake hunter, now her

maybe she was slated before and they just didnt want to overwhelm?

who knows

[orchid tangle]

the thing is grandpa did too, it's just I don't think anyone really thought he'd be a skin lol

I just thought it was a rando background character narrating

old man stereotype warning of horrors

I'm guessing they just took that as people will be fine with it, then overstepped with this new trailer

what they shoulda done imo is made her a battlepass skin replacing one of the clowns, cuz we got 3 clowns on release

[real dove]

Agreed. What is shown in the event trailer should be in the event IMO, out the gate

But her being so late feels like something happened

not that we will ever know lol

[orchid tangle]

oh well, at least the wait is basically over

[tiny plover]

Gotta figure its just a problem with the skin itself. With a big physic dress, could be just a problem of implementation. And then, she's kinda a cool ass fuckin skin, so just dropping her feels like a wasted opportunity

At the risk of rehashing what someone's already posed

[tired spear]

Could be but at the same time. Mama Maye and Mary Ochenkov already exist

So idk

[tiny plover]

Of course, but its not about the ability to have a dress, but get Anne's dress working in particular. Remember all the disabled skins, or Trophy Taker not having his feathers for like 2 months?

[tired spear]

True, true

[tiny plover]

Id even bet its fixed already, but like I said, dont wanna waste the opportunity it provides

Cant be dropping heat on thursdays casually, yknow?

Need a decent reason usually

[noble scarab]

Somehow they can never get around to fixing the missing legs issues with rednecks daughter and steel eyed

[spiral mica]

I can definitely see the whole Rose flower motif they were going for very clearly and honestly I like it a lot. My only disappointment stems from how long it actually took them to provide information regarding her release.

And even though I knew long before that this was going to be the case I'm glad they didn't end up just outright calling her Annie Oakley even though I'm sure everyone and their mother knows that's who she's clearly supposed to be. Just like how The Kid is William H. Bonney or how The Trickshooter is William Frederick Cody.

[spiral mica]

Does anybody know if these runes or letters on the Fifth Tale skin for the mosin obrez translate to anything?

[real cedar]

Looks vaguely like cyrillic, I may as well take a look

Nope, even in the 3d viewer it's way too worn out

[spiral mica]

That's unfortunate but now that you say it does look a lot like cyrillic but I'm not entirely convinced that's what it is either.

[noble token]

made with AI

[waxen knoll]

Its literally just cyrillic

[waxen knoll]

вышняго is the only word i can get and it means "most high" and seems to have religious connotations

едпомогне? "Please help"

Something "most high please help"

[earnest jungle]

The weapon belongs to the sinners

[waxen knoll]

Which fits the theme

[earnest jungle]

who are religious hunters

and more specifically religious hunters from Southwest Asia and North Africa

So could be Chistian, Muslim, Jewish, or one of a thousand smaller religious faiths

[waxen knoll]

When you search the word you get a bunch of sites with orthodox scripture

Which is probably what it is

[noble scarab]

Odd that most of our sinner weapons come from twitch drops. The bow and this one

Otherwise I think they also have another sawed off mosin, and that’s about it I think

Not counting the viper

[real cedar]

Idk if the Fifth Tale is connected with the Sinners. The text doesn't mention anything about it and the design isn't similar to their other skins like Sinner's Jezail or Sinner's Prayer

[noble scarab]

Also we have all these different occult groups, but we don’t have any that does traditional English occultism, like John Dee or Crowley

[earnest jungle]

Maybe I just associate geometric designs with islamic art 🤷‍♀️

I can't articulate why it just feels like this rifle comes from somewhere in southeast europe that was formerly under Ottoman control

[real cedar]

Crowley was in university in 1895/96 so he couldn't have much impact yet.
We've gotten a bit of vaguely hermetic alchemy symbols in some of the skins but otherwise yeah European occultism doesn't factor in too much, most of that is instead covered by the AHA and their practices.

[earnest jungle]

On a side note Dracula was written in the late 1890s.

This means theoretically speaking Dracula could have been based on a real life incident much in the way As Bad As They Seem is

Also I watch Nosferatu last night and I loved it and kind of want a vampire boss.

[real cedar]

Confirming the existence of vampires from a distance similar to Witch Hunter's backstory would be better. Hunt has done really well in avoiding directly copying myths and cryptids for their monsters, it helps them stand out

[earnest jungle]

Maybe a Van Helsing/von Franz style character.

Although we already kind of have that with Plauge Doctor, Researcher, and my own namesake Scognamiglio

[spiral mica]

That is definitely probably untrue. I've seen people in the past claim that Crytek uses AI art and other related assets for the game but I have yet to actually recieve a compelling argument or definitive proof tied to a legitimate source to actually believe that Crytek does indeed use AI like you think they do.

[keen nexus]

If they were, in fact, utilizing "AI" BS for Hunt? They would have to disclose that information on the Steam store page, anyways.

And if they were to, in the future, I'd drop this game instantly. Don't tolerate laziness.

[spiral mica]

I think some of the art direction for the game has lost it's initial identity in favor of things like monetization and collaborations but I do not believe any of that has anything to do with the potential usage of AI assets.

[spiral mica]

Also, it's funny that you mention this because I was talking with some friends last night while playing and we speculated on what the next theme for an event could potentially be and we all reached the conclusion that at some point vampires are probably going to play a significant role.

But I also 100% agree with what Rai said, and if they are to do something with vampires I think it would have to be done in such a way that avoids a direct correlation between the Hunt mythos and something like Bram Stoker's Dracula.

[earnest jungle]

Oh I wasn’t suggesting a direct correlation but more “these are the ents that inspired this fictionalization” kind of thing.

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I know, I wasn't implying that you were suggesting a direct connection between them I was just saying that if they were to actually do something like an event involving vampires it would have to be done in such a way that Rai described.

[orchid tangle]

I don't blame people for thinking some of the old concept art is ai because it has that feel, but ai also wasn't really... a thing people mass used back when that and this skin was made

[noble scarab]

Ai didn’t really start till 2020 ish right? Maybe 21

Hunt was in production in 2018/19

[granite shard]

I wouldn't say AI was really advanced enough for people to start cheaping out and using it for production stuff until like 2023-24

even then, I don't believe crytek has used AI for anything hunt related

[noble scarab]

I agree, but wizards of the coast on the other hand

https://tenor.com/view/where-is-my-free-coffee-gif-25537785

[granite shard]

Yeah

[tired spear]

i was having fun with ai upscaling back in 2020

generative ai came in later

and then LLMs

[spiral mica]

I was looking back at the chapters for Desolation's wake and if anyone else remembers how in chapter 10 Felis mentions about how Centipede works poison into bullets and I was thinking how odd it is that the Mako 1895 didn't receive the option for poison ammunition as one of the few long ammo weapons to actually have poison ammo. Chapter 7 does insinuate that the Mako was brought in by the Statesman and his benefactors but at the same time the Primal does possess one in the form of the claw variant.

[granite shard]

The marathon got poison tho right?

[spiral mica]

Yes, the marathon does have poison, and even though the chapter specifies that Centipede works poison into bullets her hand crossbow skin called "Pincer strike" also mentions that she possesses the "unbound conviction" to match the power of a target and that it is a great feat to do so implying that she is very skilled with her hand crossbow and probably works poisons into the bolts as well. It's understandable that she would just utilize poison in pretty much any and every weapon she has given her obvious theme as the Centipede girl.

I also find it curious that in her hand crossbow skin the word target is capitalized in the middle of a sentence which could imply it's not referring to other hunters but rather the monsters that carry bounty tokens. I also remember a considerable amount of people assuming and speculating that Centipede having been a former Demented cultist was hinting at a new centipede-themed wild target but all of that turned out to be untrue.

Also, going back to the idea that the Mako 1895 should've had poison, in the official promo art for Desolation's wake Centipede can be seen with her particular Mako claw skin called "Piercing edge" which both mentions her former allegiance to the Demented pact and confirms that this Mako claw has been with her from the very beginning during her time with the Demented pact. I also find this description odd while simultaneously being the biggest proof in favor of poison ammo for the Mako 1895. This specific description could imply that she's been a member of the Demented as early as the events of tide of shadow or as late as tide of desolation or anywhere else between those events. This would also imply that the Mako 1895 has been around well before the Statesman arrived with the arsenal provided by his benefactors. Evidently if this Mako 1895 claw was her choice of weapon during her time with the Demented and she was working poison into bullets for the Demented she would ideally be utilizing that poison in her 45-70 rounds for her Mako.

[real cedar]

The Centipede not mirroring a Target like the other Demented is part of the thematic idea that later leads her away from the pact. She didn't want to replicate the sculptor's creations, but to surpass them, which is a much more Primal idea.

In that way, she took the spot of the Spider hunter, as centipedes do prey on them

[spiral mica]

Which makes sense, but despite the Demented pacts obvious theme of mirroring targets there also exists plenty of Demented pact members that do not directly mirror a target or type of monster. In fact only 4 out of the 12 known Demented pact hunters are actually themed after an established bounty target.

It's also known that the Demented pact don't exactly worship the monsters, but see them as imperfections, which is why they hunt them. Just like how every pact during tide of shadows was out to kill Rotjaw for their own reasons both the Demented and Primal pact have their own reasons for hunting and killing the targets as well.

[untold jasper]

The Pallid Count: Lore of the Carpathian Rot
Name: Count Elias von Nacht, formerly Elias Thorne (Human Name)

Location: Crumbling ancestral manor nestled deep within the shadowed peaks of the Carpathian Mountains. The specific wing afflicted is known locally as the "Rotwing," its stone perpetually slick with a strange, phosphorescent slime.

Background:

Elias Thorne was a renowned, if somewhat eccentric, antiquarian and folklorist obsessed with ancient Carpathian traditions. He was particularly fascinated by whispers of the Strigoi, vampiric entities said to haunt the region. Driven by a thirst for forbidden knowledge and perhaps a darker, underlying desire for immortality, Thorne ventured deeper into the remote villages than any outsider dared.

In 1888, during a blizzard that isolated him for months, Thorne unearthed a hidden crypt containing not gold or jewels, but a strange, pulsating artifact – a desiccated heart encased in a silver locket. Local legend claimed it belonged to a powerful Strigoi queen. Ignoring the dire warnings of the villagers, Thorne, in a ritual mirroring ancient texts, attempted to commune with the artifact. He believed he could control the Strigoi's power.

He was wrong.

The artifact didn't grant him control; it consumed him. The Strigoi queen's essence, long dormant, found a new vessel in Thorne's body. But the process was imperfect. Instead of a full transformation into a Strigoi, Thorne became something… twisted. His body became a grotesque parody of life, a rotting, animated corpse fueled by a corrupted form of vampiric energy. He became the Pallid Count, a creature of both the living and the dead, a vampiric zombie.

Lair Description:

The Rotwing reflects the Count's corrupted state. The once-grand halls are now choked with a sickly sweet, decaying odor. The walls weep a phosphorescent slime, the same that coats the Count's rotting flesh. Fungal growths, pulsing with an eerie light, cling to the decaying tapestries.

Little something

[rugged iron]

This is fanfic?

[sinful bloom]

yeah what is this

[real dove]

Hey, do you mind keeping fanfics to #fanart ? The lore channel is moreso meant to discuss lore and related stuff, and while I realize fanfic is related, it belongs in fanart more than in here.

[ember halo]

Yeah, we only talk about Post Malone in this channel.

Do we think Post Malone was involved romantically with Giggles the Clown before she took control of the Post Malone murder circus and Helio Stone?

[sinful bloom]

no

[sinful bloom]

for the prodigal sibling whats up with their relationship? cause from the trailer it looks they hate each other is it that just it?

[granite shard]

the prodigal daughter blames the prodigal son for kicking off the chain of events that led to their mother's death

we don't really know much more of their relationship beyond that

[sinful bloom]

oh

i see thank you

[rugged harbor]

With Prodigal Sons release in his lore entry it’s said that he saved Prodigal Daughter once in a fight and presumably now Hunt together, keeping that bullet with his name on it close

Also one stupid thing about their lore is in Scorched Earth they made a crossbow Deadeye skin that was in the exact same style as Prodigal Sons weapons but the description of it says it’s Pappy Rednecks, who wasn’t even in the game yet, something about shooting owls with it

[noble scarab]

They did that this event too, with some statesman themed guns

The carbine and a dolch claw I think

[rugged harbor]

Yeah

[ember halo]

Who ever is doing the skins now is unaware of the old lore. So they just use old styles/assets because it's easy even if it doesn't make sense

[loud elk]

Was playing with a random the other night and he was telling me about some of Hunt’s original lore surrounding the bosses and some of the enemies. Can anyone verify? If it’s legit I can see why they cut it, considering some of the sensitive content it touches on.

[mint wind]

That skin came with Harvest of Ghosts, not Scorched Earth.

[rugged harbor]

sorry, got events mixed up

you understand what I mean though

[real dove]

all of the lore is pinned here, Rai put it all in a 2 part Compendium for us

[loud elk]

Awesome, appreciate it!

[spiral mica]

Ngl it kinda bothers me that such a cool crossbow skin was being used to kill owls. Owls are some of my favorite animals.

[real cedar]

They do hunt chickens so Pappy's got a good reason to keep em away

[spiral mica]

Fair point but it still bothers me

Owl poaching is a real problem and some farmers overhunt them in areas here in the US.

[mint wind]

The Redneck also blew up chickens with his Terminus.

[spiral mica]

Ah so the whole Moses family is just speciesist against Avians.

[grizzled mulch]

He did?

[mint wind]

If I'm not mistaking.

[grizzled mulch]

Cool

[spiral mica]

I have a question in regards to the previous, yet brief, mention of the Prodigal siblings. Is it confirmed that one of the names etched on one of the bullets on Prodigal daughter's spark skin belong to Prodigal son?

If I'm remembering correctly you've got the Archeologist's name on one and either Finch or Lynch's name on another one.

[real dove]

Finch is one

Elwood

[spiral mica]

I'll have to take a look at all the names again when I have time and cross examine some descriptions to determine who exactly Prodigal daughter was or still is trying to kill.

[orchid tangle]

I'm randomly thinking. who was the person who took daughter of decay aside to talk and like knew her backstory. I don't remember if I comlpetely read over who that was or if they never said

I remember thinking they were badass at the time

[earnest jungle]

I assumed that was Statesman

[orchid tangle]

I thought so too but then the statesman was such a pushover when he was actually revealed

but maybe that's just me

[granite shard]

They really read like two entirely different people to me

And I don’t think I’d really consider the statesman’s jacket a tailcoat

[orchid tangle]

the statesman iirc was pretty fast to anger, the person who was talking to daughter looked like they were right where they belong being able to sneak up on her like that and taking her away and knowing her past

that being said, statesman was also able to pull out random bs knowledge on characters he was talking to

[granite shard]

Tailcoat guy felt a lot more empathetic than the statesman

Plus wasn’t the statesman just coming into the bayou in DW? That was a few weeks to a month after ToD

[orchid tangle]

I don't remember but I'd trust your memory

I wish we got clarification on who that was cuz he felt like cool foreshadowing

[granite shard]

Yeah same

Like he’s connected to the backers but if he was supposed to be the statesman that didn’t really come across well

[real cedar]

I thought it was pretty clear. The train connection, the focus on bounties flowing

[granite shard]

But that’s a backer connection, not necessarily statesman specifically. Their personalities are entirely different

And yeah the statesman seems to be fresh into the bayou as of desolation’s wake

[real cedar]

Though it seems like Hardin knows him or knows of him, could suggest he's been there before

[granite shard]

But he’s asking which way to the bounties

Just for reference here lol

I don’t think Hardin was familiar with him, my read is that he was more unimpressed by him being visually underwhelming (just a single skinny rich guy) instead of “did you really send the statesman? Fuck that guy”)

[real cedar]

The trailer version of Hardin's thoughts on him don't have the unimpressed part to me, something more like discomfort, either at the Statesman or what he represents.
"Why did they send him" "Why now, why him"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV56-FEGtx0

[granite shard]

Ah maybe, I need to listen to the audio section. The text gives me an unimpressed read where he’s like ugh seriously until the weapons

Either way I don’t think that changes the way that it doesn’t read like the statesman would have been in the bayou for tide of desolation

I think tailcoat guy was a different representative of the backers scoping out the place

[spiral mica]

Personally, I always figured the tailcoat guy is probably related to Statesman in some way but not actually him.

[orchid tangle]

tbf that trailer gives off a WHOLE nother story entirely

statesman from that trailer is a sadistic looking, cold killer looking to raise an army with a train arsenal

in the actual story he's a whiny captive

[spiral mica]

The Statesman is both of those things. He shot a woman tied to a tree at only five paces away instead of ten and that highlights his sadistic cold-blooded killer side but when he's captured he quickly turns into a domesticated dog with all bark and no bite.

[orchid tangle]

I mean both of those in that context is like the same thing to me

whats the guy from the shawshank redemption

percy or something like that?

evil when he has the person dead to rights (tied to a tree)

but whenever someone has him outgunned he's instantly fearful and whatnot. while the trailer doesn't show all of that he looked kinda brave in it, and wasn't fearful to get in a full gunfight

I meant green mile

[tired spear]

what remains of elwood finch

[mint wind]

The Green Mile, Percy Wetmore. By Frank Darabont too, hence the confusion.

[crimson dock]

is there any more turncoat lore apart from his bio?

[real cedar]

Just the stuff on his DLC description and his skin blurbs

[abstract parrot]

Any lore about Zachary Jones ? Love this skin and I would like to know if there are any weapons related to him etc. such as John Victor's mosin for example

[spiral mica]

Speaking of turncoat is it actually confirmed anywhere that he is a reference to Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian or is it just a coincidence?

[noble scarab]

I don’t think it was confirmed but it’s pretty heavily implied, somewhere his description or maybe one of his guns mentions a “meridian of blood”

[real cedar]

The steam description has that term, ye. It'd be one hell of a coincidence given how obscure "meridian of blood" is as a turn of phrase

[real cedar]

Nope, his bio is all he has. These former T1-3 hunters don't get the same lore treatment as legendary hunters do, especially now that lore is an afterthought

[vivid crystal]

I wonder if they will release some type of conclusion video at the end of the event

like the one they did at the start of it

[ember halo]

Posty re-acquires the helio stone, and ueses it to travel back to the time he came from, in order to perform at the superbowl pregame show

[spiral mica]

Well, we have a baseball themed hunter so maybe at some point we'll get a football one too.

[noble scarab]

Can we get the post Malone Oreos as a consumable

[ember halo]

They should be a tool, 40 charges, 3 second use time with animation, restore 100hp and grant 30 seconds of stamina

[brazen root]

what if its actually a cricket themed hunter

[real cedar]

Desert Rose is here

And the missing throwing spear has arrived!

[ruby current]

Any other new legendaries added?

[real cedar]

Nope, that's all for this update

[ruby current]

Do we have a video of the Desert Rose lobby animations? Am curious but can't check yet

I see the different poses in the image

[sinful warren]

First one just shots around with the fingers, second one greets with the hand/fingers

[mint wind]

She also seems to have some voice acting.

[real dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/1im8upw/welcome_desert_rose/

O.o lore

NGL thought it was gonna be the reason behind her being so late but lore is just as good

[rugged harbor]

….

[noble scarab]

What are we? Some kind of Hunt: Showdown?

Questionable writing aside, kinda interesting that she was with Carter

[granite shard]

Interesting that the heliostone was literally just a rock

And it wasn’t its influence at all

[noble scarab]

I think this breaks the whole you have to be inoculated to deal with corruption even further

And also messes with the time line a bit by having Carter not being part of the hunt (yet or did he leave hunting to go back to traveling shows) who knows

[rugged harbor]

Yeah, while the Murmur stone from the Tide trilogy seemed to be a completely different but significant artifact this just seems like
“Ooooh evil rock cause corruption ooooooh”

[real dove]

was he not an event hunter

or did I imagine that

[noble scarab]

Honestly I have no clue

[ember halo]

They are analogs for Annie Oakley and Buffalo Bill so it makes sense

[real dove]

I didnt look at the event hunter list this time

ngl once they weren't tied to a pact stopped really looking

but i thought he wa

s

[ember halo]

He should have been but I never checked

I think this whole event was some kind of Murder Circus.

[spiral mica]

It's a bummer that it still mentions Heliostone, murder circus and post malone in her description but aside from that they're both fantastic hunter skins.

I'm also glad we finally get another spear skin, moreover one that was teased in promotional material several months ago.

[real cedar]

He was

Man that story isn't great I can see why the lorebooks were taken away, if this is what we'd be getting from masteries from now on.
I miss the old writers.

[earnest jungle]

I actually kind of like this

And not just because I called this two months ago

[real cedar]

I think the Heliostone is still the source of the corruption, Mercy just thinks otherwise cause she blames the Ringmaster for everything that happened.

If it isn't, then nothing in the Hunt universe is allowed to make sense anymore

The Sculptor can't just attach itself to a moving carnival and localize its corruption like that

[earnest jungle]

Actually he kind of can

The Sculptor's Corruption is an infection

[real cedar]

That would mean it spreads across every destination the circus goes to

[earnest jungle]

Crown & King Auto-5 Slug
RN: If Charlie Salter had returned sooner, before his brother was so far gone, what would have happened? The corruption affecting William was, one might say, contagious. Had Charlie whisked him away to another state, calamity could have spread through the nation.

[real cedar]

The earliest stuff treated it like an infection in the sense that it spreads its domain and grows outward. The circus doesn't grow at all, it stays confined

[earnest jungle]

The threat of an infected person carying the Sculpter's Corruption to new areas has always existed.

[real cedar]

That's exactly why the Circus can't be the Sculptor's corruption as normal. It travels too much and would've infected half of America

[earnest jungle]

That's assuming the circus is traveling normally; but it's already been established that the Circus isn't traveling normally.

They're traveling through the land of the dead

[real cedar]

Traveling to where, though?

[earnest jungle]

Between the different dead zones; it's how the circus can exists simulteneously in Louisiana and Colorado

[real cedar]

That only works if the murder circus didn't exist until it spotaneously came into being in 1896 and immediately traveled to the incursions

Which is true in a meta sense but it has to have come from somewhere that was at risk of infection

[earnest jungle]

The timeline is a little hazzy but I don't think the murder circus was always a murder circus

[real cedar]

Further, the story describes Post Malone leaving the murder circus after things got bad, and then following it for years

[earnest jungle]

I think it was origianlly just a normal traveling circus that wandered into a Dead Zone and became the Murder Circus

[real cedar]

Desert Rose also saw the corruption in the bear and the clowns killing people before it arrived in Mammon's Gulch

[earnest jungle]

We already know that Louisiana and the Colorado are not the only places where incursions happen: the existence of hunters from other countries indicates that super natural shit happens everywhere.

This story could have definetly used more time and more writers to iron out the details

But all in all i don't think this breaks the lore at all.

[drifting spoke]

How long until we see a Japan map...ngl with all those hunters it makes sense

[earnest jungle]

Especially because how the corruption spreads is something we're largely in the dark on

[real cedar]

Supernatural stuff, but not Incursions. Two happening at once is supposedly unprecedented

[earnest jungle]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one I think

[real cedar]

Yeah. I wish we'd get more clarity rather than just throwing new ideas out to make the already thin circus storyline more convoluted

[drifting spoke]

Is the sculptor tied to the heliostone at all in any sense in any of the lore anywhere?

[real cedar]

Not exactly. The Sculptor may have had a part in creating the Heliostone similar to how the Murmurstone was made (or it might've been the Lord of the Dead or it might've been just a rock) but the only connection is that once the Circus entered the incursions, the Sculptor took hold of all the supernatural stuff going on inside it, and replicated it across Mammon's Gulch and the bayou.

Or maybe the Sculptor didn't, and the story intention is that the Murder Circus travels a lot and all its grunts set up the balloons for fun as they wander around the incursions

[drifting spoke]

Helio, murmur, we will get another event with a stone and these will be the way to bring the sculptor into our realm...4 events from now will be when that story finishes... <- prediction

[real cedar]

We need three more stones to complete the Infinity Sculpture

[granite shard]

I see your point rai but I did still breathe a sigh of relief at us not having another mystical fucked up evil rock

I do think the sculptor preying on someone’s greed/arrogance makes sense. But the timeline and insane magic powers beyond the other corrupted things is a lot

[real cedar]

I think if it was just general Corruption preying on the Ringmaster, then it may have been something besides the Sculptor, one of the other entities

[granite shard]

Hm that’s fair. I took it as the sculptor’s corruption but you’re right

[drifting spoke]

Or he one ringed a bunch of shiny rocks and is lording over the deadlands trying to send armies into our realm when some mortal does something with the mcguffin-pebbles

We actually don't know the sculptor plans at all so who knows what may happen in the future

[real cedar]

Here's the desert rose wallpaper from the blog

[spiral mica]

Yeah, and as I've heard plenty of times by now in regards to Post Malone actually being in the game it's only going to be downhill from here, because whatever other celebrity they decide to monetize the game with next probably doesn't even play Hunt.

[stark patrol]

best place to find the lore?

[real cedar]

Pinned messages of this channel, there's a few compendiums and a very nice recreation of the library's UI

[acoustic whale]

can't take the lore seriously anymore after desert rose's bio

[real cedar]

Very vibes over substance at this point

[acoustic whale]

😆

[granite shard]

At least we’re done with post Malone now?

[spiral mica]

Ikr? They could've just dropped a whole bunch of cool historical references about Annie Oakley but instead they just went "POST MALONE" route again.

We're done with Post Malone and onto the next celebrity monetization.

[real cedar]

We knew they were going that way with the Luck Maker skin

She was always supposed to be part of the crew, some shit just happened to delay her for whatever reason

[acoustic whale]

i loved the original lore so much, it's just making me sad

way to reward your OG lore fans

[spiral mica]

So after taking a closer look one of the names is Richard, and both Prodigal son's description and dlc name makes reference to a bullet that Prodigal daughter has and her reckoning sparks skin. Does anyone know if anything related to Prodigal son makes reference to a Richard?

[real cedar]

His name is Richard, ye

[spiral mica]

It's weird to me that his description makes him out to be perfectly okay with the fact that his sister is trying to kill him.

Either he really did have something to do with Prodigal mom's death or he's just okay with the fact that he is being partially blamed for it.

[orchid tangle]

I like that her story is about coming back to stop the circus

and then she arrives the very moment it's gone

I hope that's canon

she got the very last balloon and called it success

[real dove]

Lol I too thought 'she got the last balloon! Nice' when I read it

[vivid crystal]

How I feel after reading that

[acoustic imp]

Carter should appear in everyones lore he’s an absolute chad

[fickle sluice]

The 'stache on that man

[earnest jungle]

I will say the Desert Rose lore definetly makes me think that the Murder Circus event in some form has been planned since at least Desolation's Wake.

[granite shard]

really? I don't get that feeling at all

I think they're using pre-established lore to build connections for it

[earnest jungle]

Some form is the keyword here

[granite shard]

but I doubt the murder circus stuff really took form until post malone started interacting w hunt last summer

[spiral mica]

This line of text makes me anticipate a Post Malone Murder Circus 2: The Sequel

Because as we all know our good pal Posty is the most hunt super fan that ever hunted in the history of hunt and he will provide several groundbreaking and innovative ideas and feedback to the benefit of the game.

[earnest jungle]

And I would agree with that if there weren't mentions of a circus related to the spread of the corruption in Desolations wake.

[granite shard]

I don't think it was spreading the corruption tho? it was just a circus moving across the desert as sofia was on a train

unless I'm thinking of another circus, it was just a caravan making its way across the desert

[earnest jungle]

I double checked the lore and yeah I was misrembering: combinging the vision of the train crossing the desert with the circus caravan

[granite shard]

plus if the circus uses the land of the dead to travel from place to place, they wouldn't be crossing the desert normally like that

[spiral mica]

I mean, the only thing that comes to my mind is that single mention of a circus tent blowing away during the tide of shadows story.

But I don't think there is any correlation between that and the murder circus.

[granite shard]

I don't think it's impossible that they knew they wanted to do something circus related in the future and had something in there as a "we've established circuses here", but I don't think that it was meant as a teaser/firmly planned thing

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I think I agree. I think that when they realized that Post Malone actually played hunt they just wanted to jump on the potential for monetization quickly. I can't really think of any definitive evidence of the murder circus existing prior to that.

People have suggested Rodeo clown hunters and circuses in the past but that probably never correlated to Post Malone and the Murder circus.

[noble scarab]

Crytek for the next go round please limit the amount of PMs on the skins to a reasonable number

[mint wind]

*don't put any PM on any skins, hunters and bios included.

[sinful bloom]

what are the chance post shows up in future lore?

chances

[granite shard]

slim to none

[acoustic whale]

let's move on to the next celebrity, enrich the lore

[sinful bloom]

hopefully next even we get voiced lore again

missed it for this event

[acoustic whale]

snoop dog would fit, been saying it for ages

[granite shard]

I doubt we'll be getting voiced lore again for events or in game

right now I believe there is only one writer left on the hunt team unless there has been quiet hirings

[sinful bloom]

oh thats bad didnt know they only had 1

[granite shard]

they used to have a ton more but there was a shifting sometime around the start of the tides trilogy where a lot of the writers moved to crysis 4 and they hired on a few people to keep writing for hunt. one of those writers was either let go or left, and the head of the narrative team has also left

and so now we're only left with one person and an editor to my knowledge

[acoustic whale]

im worried about crysis 4 lore too lol

[granite shard]

yeah idk what's going on w crysis 4

[earnest jungle]

As Smalls has said unless they’ve done some quiet hirings this is going to be the state of the lore for the medium to long term. Even if Crytek does change its mind about the importance of Hunt’s Narrative; Hunt - and it pains me to say this - has far more important issues the devs really need to prioritize

The current state of the game is frankly unacceptable; and there’s still just so much missing content from the pre-2.0 launch that needs to be added to the game.

I am hopeful things might change; we got more crumbs of lore with Murder Circus than Harvest of Ghosts and they’ve officially archived the Game’s narrative on their website.

But realistically even if they do change I can’t see the results of those changes coming any sooner than 2026/2027… and that’s assuming the game survives that long.

So yeah for the medium to long term get used to table scraps; and whatever that poor unappreciated Writer and Editor can give us.

And let us be clear the dip in writing quality is not the fault of the two employees now responsible for writing everything: blame lies solely on management for doing this to the narrative team:

[mint wind]

To be frank, in general Hunt lore is very secondary. They'd rather have more people working on the actual game first.

[brazen root]

If the original writers have moved on the hunt lore community should probably take the elder scrolls C0DA route of rejecting the idea of corporate ownership over canon instead of waiting through like 10-15 years of lore drought before reaching that point

[hushed matrix]

what ever happened to all the lore / content that used to be in the monster journal?

[acoustic whale]

gone

[hushed matrix]

that's.....disappointing

[acoustic whale]

Indeed

[hushed matrix]

where do we petition to get it back? lol

[acoustic whale]

@hushed matrix #feedback

[hushed matrix]

ty

[brazen root]

you can find it here for the time being though, or in the compendium that is pinned in this channel

https://hunt-stats.com/lore

[granite shard]

Thankfully there’s an official archive in progress

[orchid tangle]

this is a fair answer the only problem is
1: they're kinda bad at working on the game
2: why did they just remove all the existing lore

[upbeat kiln]

Refresh my memory; who is it besides Dr. Reed who finds black tar in the veins of a deceased subject?

Found it. Dr. Reinhard Winkler.

[empty basin]

@upbeat kiln enjoyed the new YT vid, always get some new ideas or perspectives from watching

[upbeat kiln]

Glad you liked it ❤️

[granite shard]

the valentine's day post is luna wolf/dire wolf and I looked in the IG comments and someone commented "aren't they siblings"

h...how do people get these things in their minds

[gloomy mantle]

Some people aren't exactly the brightest😭

[orchid tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-of-andy-and-leyley-andy-and-leyley-gif-8791370165591656028

I need them as luna and dire NOW

[granite shard]

lmao

[spiral mica]

I can't really blame the newer people to the game for making assumptions like that since the lore isn't on their radar anymore.

Even if you own luna and dire it's not like you can read their hunter descriptions or anything. 🥴

[granite shard]

I mean

yeah but dire wolf is a black man and luna wolf is a white woman, siblings is a funny jump there

I don't blame people for not knowing they're married, but looking at the two of them and going "ah yes, brother and sister" made me chuckle

[spiral mica]

I actually never knew dire was of African descent. I always figured he was native or mixed since his bio doesn't really make any mention of that sort of thing. I've also encountered people who assumed dire and lonely howl were siblings, but not luna or dire.

And to be fair I'm sure many more people would realize they're husband and wife if they had been around for their trailer two years ago on June 2nd.

[noble scarab]

Huh I thought they were both native

Also in relation to the new UI post there’s a few images of the hunter selection screen. I didn’t notice any new/leaked hunters but maybe someone else might

[granite shard]

I don't think there's really anything about them that looks native american? they wear pelts and stuff but that's more due to them being wolf hunters than them being indigenous

afro-indigenous people exist but dire wolf's skin tone + features have always read pretty clearly as black to me

[noble scarab]

I guess I’ve not ever paid much attention to their skin tones

They do wear face paint and bone jewelry that would fit with being native

[granite shard]

I think leaning heavily onto that sort of thing for indigenous hunters is kinda an issue w hunt, but also I don't think that it's meant to be a signifier that they're native american. I've always felt really mixed on the indigenous hunters we do have bc of the kinda ambiguous native mish mash going on with several of them (wayfinder (wayfarer?)) being the worst offender

I think they're more just supposed to look wild, and the bones are all more just "hi we are wolf hunters wearing what we've hunted" along with the pelts and stuff

[noble scarab]

Yea that makes sense

And we all know crytek isn’t great at American geography, much less trying to distinguish the many native cultures

[granite shard]

yeah, but I'd say largely they fit in more with the other hunter characters who are decked out in pelts and stuff more than they do with the indigenous hunters

[green pollen]

💀

[livid relic]

What was originally written here?

[noble scarab]

Miner’s falls

[spiral mica]

I'm also pretty sure that the statue right next to the bridge at Miner's folly refers to it as Miner's falls.

It's original name also makes more sense when you consider the fact that there is a giant a waterfall right next to the town.

[gilded umbra]

I hope the next event has lore stories.

[granite shard]

I do too, but it's unlikely

they're apparently looking at the feedback on the removal of lore at least. I think it'll be at the end of year/start of next year at the earliest that we'd see any return to having consistent lore unfortunately just due to how deprioritized the lore's become

[spiral mica]

I hope the next event is a lot of things that this previous just wasn't.

[noble scarab]

They need to get up the writing quality just a bit if lores coming back

Otherwise all the new hunters will be “x likes to murder”

And the event will be “weird evil rock bad”

Part 3

[granite shard]

I mean if lore comes back that means they would have hired more writers because now they're down to an editor and a writer. it's possible that some of the old writers from hunt who had moved to crysis 4 are now back on the hunt team but I'm doubtful of that and it's more likely that they've been let go (one of the former writers made a tweet saying they were impacted by the layoffs so)

[noble scarab]

Sad

[spiral mica]

It's pretty unfortunate that they decided to switch up their priorities from lore and story to whatever arc of work they're currently working on.

[noble scarab]

I guess the math maths out. Only .002% of players even know there’s lore to the game. Only .00001% of those that know the lore exists really care about it

From what you see on Reddit and on the steam forums the majority of players may not even be literate

For the rest, it’s just cowboy vs zombie pew pew

[spiral mica]

Well, all things considered at least it's nice to know where people stand on the matter.

[earnest jungle]

There's only soo much two people can do: we have one writer and one eiditor working on Hunt's lore.

[real cedar]

Oh shit they updated it! When Mammon's Gulch first came out, the town was officially named Miner's Folly

[granite shard]

Oh that’s peak

[real cedar]

Really cool to see little changes as they think of flavorful things to put in

[granite shard]

Yeah agreed

[warped shale]

I could’ve sworn it was painted over to say miners folly really recently

[real cedar]

It was, you can see it in the image I replied to. My pics are from the Scorched Earth event

[warped shale]

Oh wait so it was retro actively made to paint?

[real cedar]

Yeah, they changed up the signs to tell a different story than the initial release

[tiny plover]

I always wondered. That name always seemed like something that'd come after mining had dried up, let alone when the corruption hit

Glad to see the fixes lol

[tiny plover]

At least its been adressed
Glad to know its at least in the backround of their minds while focusing on other stuff. At least when updated on it occasionally

Still think there being no way to access hunter lore for hunters you own is dumb though

Like. Its in there, just lemme see it

[spiral mica]

You also can't view the description of some skins you don't own, and that also bothers me.

[hard matrix]

Hi is there any way or website to see the lore of the hunters that can no longer be seen, post malone and others?

[real cedar]

Yes, the Compendium in the pinned messages of this channel has all the lore in the game, with a section for Hunters.
There's also a very nicely made website called Black Room Agency which is collecting the lore in a polished UI.
https://black-room-agency.com/lore/?lang=EN&page=Hunters

[hard matrix]

Ty!

[rotund ferry]

I need someone confirm something scrapbeak was a soldier right

Or was he just a normal person

[spiral mica]

He was indeed a soldier. It's up for debate whether he was Confederate or Union though.

[rotund ferry]

Thank you just had to make sure

Also why does that matter a soldier is a soldier

Just sad that he ends up being Scrapbeak

[spiral mica]

Because not only were the Confederates traitors, but what they were fighting for was overall wrong.

So that's why it matters.

[rotund ferry]

Ah nvm than…

Should have not said that at all

I know rotjow is named princess

And I think the butcher was a failed experiment

[spiral mica]

Rotjaw was a pet named princess who ended up in the land of the dead, and Butcher was a taxidermized meathead.

[rotund ferry]

Ah

Land of the dead?

Like during the tides right

[spiral mica]

Yeah that's the one

It's basically a metaphysical plane of existence that has multiple different versions. The one that is described in the tides event is the one for Louisiana.

[rotund ferry]

It looked normal to me still hunting monsters and stuff

[spiral mica]

If you're thinking of Ash bloom that wasn't exactly the land of the dead itself.

On the map DeSalle and at the very back of the mineshaft up at Kingsnake mine there was a hole in the wall called the Graven Path. It glowed blue out of dark sight and orange in dark sight similar to how players glow orange when using dark sight boost. That was a portal to the land of the dead.

[rotund ferry]

Uhhhh….

But the land of the dead has been closed right after tides

[warped shale]

The fact that every single confed state had slavery written in the constitution

[spiral mica]

Yeah, but the lore kind of insinuates that as long as the conditions are right that a new portal could open anywhere at any time. Just like how the Sculptor's incursions happen.

[warped shale]

I think the portals are related to human immorality

mammons gulch is tied to the rituals they used to try and bring back the oil flow

[spiral mica]

That's one theory I've seen float around but since the narrative is basically out the window right now I haven't seen anyone discuss it much.

[warped shale]

I figured the word “corruption” was used both to mean the physical zombies and all and the sorta corruption in general of people

[spiral mica]

You've basically got several different entities in Hunt and I think the Sculptor is like a cosmic being that fuels off of certain things which could possibly be immorality and sin.

[rotund ferry]

So hunters are kinda on edge and getting ready for another big fight

[spiral mica]

I think usually when the word Corruption is capitalized it's referring to the Sculptor, the incursions and all of that beehive husk stuff you can find around the maps. It basically all goes hand in hand with the whole thing.

[spiral mica]

Well, the last time we heard from the established groups and pacts was in Scorched Earth which was two events ago.

Basically everyone headed to Colorado and encountered the corruption both literally and figuratively.

Somehow the Demented are still kicking it, Lawful and Wilderness teamed up sort of, and we know other pacts like Death and Primal made their way west towards Colorado as well.

[rotund ferry]

Did some groups get hunted down

[spiral mica]

I'd say the Demented are probably gone by this point.

The Infernal pact might also all be gone too.

[rotund ferry]

What happened to then

I know the butcher hunter is dead I think

Because man he’s one of the worst in lore I think

Beekeeper got run over by a boat

[noble scarab]

The infernal got shot up by the death pact during charys ritual which killed or disbanded them

And the butchers cleaver and the beekeeper are still seemingly alive in scorched earth

[mint wind]

Cleaver and Keeper are both dead.

Cleaver was executed for losing the Murmurstone and Keeper had... a troublesome pregnancy.

[granite shard]

Nothing seemed to indicate the beekeeper died? She had to have survived the end of tide of desolation to write her journal

[noble scarab]

Depending on how literal hayali was being in scorched earth, “bee and pig” are both still out there, attempting to redeem themselves from their failures to the sculptor

[granite shard]

disappointing that there was a plan there that we'll never see

[mint wind]

Well, her last entry was her giving birth to the monster that got impaled. She didn't write anything after she... probably exploded open.

[rotund ferry]

Which group was the scariest to face in lore

[real dove]

I think demented

they seems the hardest to reason with

[mint wind]

The Demented, by far.

[real dove]

I think Death and Primal I could get along with

[mint wind]

If they catch you... ever heard about the Dark Eldars ?

[real dove]

Law would be annoying, but again, they are still sane

[rotund ferry]

Who was part of that group

Was the burnt marshal in that group

[mint wind]

The main thing about Demented is that they thrive with all types o more or less disgusting bugs and over type of animals like that, they also greatly enjoy scarification and can result to some quite extreme torture ways.

With the Demented, you have the Cowl, the Beekeeper, the Butcher's Cleaver, Cain, the Centipede...

[rotund ferry]

Ah

[mint wind]

Burnt Marshall is a quite reasoned man who belongs to the Infernal Pact.

[rotund ferry]

Ngl feels good to see them gone

Burnt Marshall wants to burn the everything

[mint wind]

He has some lunatics around him, but his pact is rather stable. At least, his version.

[rotund ferry]

Or try to stop the sculpture I think

[rotund ferry]

But man these guys just seem very bad

[real dove]

that was Chary's pact

I trust Chary to be mildly reasonable

Also I think DA and I would be friends

[mint wind]

Well, as the name called, they're all demented. They just want to see the Sculptor's work peak.

[rotund ferry]

Good thing they are hiding

[mint wind]

If it takes them to screw over the LoD and ultimately, Louisiana, Colorado or even just the world, they will do so without a shadow of a doubt.

[rotund ferry]

Are most of them dead

[real dove]

Not really

[mint wind]

Beekeeper and Cleaver are dead (at least Cleaver for sure). The fate of the rest is unknown.

Speaking of the Cleaver, he got covered in honey and eaten alive by bugs. I recall he left himself be killed this way because he lost the Murmurstone.

[rotund ferry]

Good riddance to him

No offense

[mint wind]

It's funny how this hunter was theoretically more popular than Post Malone. I do like the style of the Cleaver.

[rotund ferry]

I do love cleaver also but don’t got him sadly

[real cedar]

Beekeeper and Cleaver might be alive, Hayali describes two Demented he calls Bee and Pig, and Pig especially acts just like Butcher's Cleaver

[rotund ferry]

How….

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-know-dont-know-bird-clueless-gif-12587825

[granite shard]

I don't think that's what happened? She was writing to her human daughter who had left her, and it ends with her watching the creation of the big bug, considering herself to be a child of it, not that it's her child

[rotund ferry]

The demtend should be all hunted down

[granite shard]

I was to witness the molting of our Desolation's Lord. I was to be a child to it, the kind of child my daughter was never brave enough to be.

[mint wind]

It would be silly to not admit someone took the place of the Cleaver, I'd say.

[rotund ferry]

True

But why would hunters side with the sculpter

[mint wind]

I haven't read the lore since I unlocked it, but I recall she was disappointed in his human daughter anyway, so it would make sense that she's happy to have a "child" that actually matches her inhuman decisions.

[mint wind]

Because they're mad. You play with killers, opportunists, madmen, vigilantes or idiots.

[rotund ferry]

Or all the above

Also saw the lore on meatheads…

[mint wind]

More or less.

[rotund ferry]

Creepy very creepy

[real cedar]

Hunt is posting engagement bait on its socials so we may as well engage with it.
Who's got your back? Deckhand, Redshirt, or Hornback?

[rare dirge]

redshirt just some dumb guy who took a dare so for sure not him but its a tough pick between the other two

pretty sure the hornback died at some point or something like that so i think ill take deckhand

[real cedar]

Also, Deckhand looks really weird in that image. Did he get updated with 2.0 and I just didn't notice or something? He's all chalky with brown hair rather than a ginger

[rare dirge]

probably the lighting

[granite shard]

Maybe taken from the lobby or something? The lighting can be weird there sometimes

Anyway I’m picking the hornback

[granite shard]

She got caught up in a conc trap but she probs survived since that’s not lethal on its own in game

[rare dirge]

was it the skinned who died then?

could have sworn one of those wound up dead in tide of shadows

[granite shard]

The skinned got stabbed through the lung yeah

[rare dirge]

brutal

[granite shard]

He never popped up in the land of the dead so maybe he survived? But that sounds pretty fatal to me lol

[rare dirge]

idk man death in the lore never really makes sense anyways

[granite shard]

He’s impossible to get again so him being dead dead is more likely than someone like the researcher getting perma killed

[rare dirge]

wait that guy is dead?

he is like a DLC though so its not like you cant get him anymore though

[granite shard]

The researcher? lol no

[rare dirge]

oh

[granite shard]

The skinned is probably dead, the researcher was an example of a character you can still get so he’d be unlikely to get killed off

[rare dirge]

ah i see yeah

i got him im suprised they made him mythic i lowkey thought they would just drop him sometime randomly

[real cedar]

Maybe it's photoshop or a different in-engine render cause the coloring is definitely different from Deckhand, he's got chalk or excessive sunscreen on his face and hands or something.
If it wasn't nearly identical I'd assume it's a subtle teaser for a new progression hunter

[granite shard]

Maybe it’s with whatever the next event will be’s background lighting

Or photoshopping got weird

Bumped up contrast

[noble scarab]

The ui update post said they tweaked the in-ui hunter lighting, so maybe it’s from that

But I’d go with deckhand

[granite shard]

The reason I’m not going with deckhand is he might be protecting me for that fight but I don’t trust him afterwards

Hornback seems a little more trustworthy

[noble scarab]

I think you buy him a round of the best rum you can find after and he’s chillin, after that you probably should leave

[spiral mica]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Hardin and Lawful cooperating with Death pact in the Desolation's wake story?

[real dove]

more like death was there

they werent really active in the story

[spiral mica]

I doubt Primal would be very open to the idea of cooperating with Lawful sympathizers though.

[real dove]

considering DW, no

I think you misread what I was saying

[granite shard]

Death went along with the lawful pact due to the backers knowing of the spread of the sculptor’s influence but they didn’t approve of Hardin

[spiral mica]

I'm still a little surprised that the Wilderness would either, but I guess it's mainly because Brewer and Thomas had history with each other that allowed them to keep tensions between their groups relatively low.

[granite shard]

Lawful in scorched earth was very different from lawful in desolation’s wake

[spiral mica]

all in all though, I don't really see the Primal interacting with much of any of the pacts outside of situations like Centipede leaving one pact to join another.

[granite shard]

Primal worked together with the death and grounded pacts in tide of desolation

And death

[spiral mica]

I don't really remember Primal being mentioned in tide of desolation. In fact, as far as I can tell the two events where they've been featured the most was shadows and wake.

I will say that I think the Primal in shadows was very different than the one in desolation's wake.

I'm not really sure why that is, but I think it would have something to do with the fact that Rotjaw was no longer a major focus in the story at that point.

I'm also certain that Gar's Primal was different from Reptilian's Primal during tide of shadows, and then you've got Felis's group in desolation's wake which personally I'd like to think is somehow aligned with Reptilian's group but that really isn't confirmed to be Canon outside of some possible insinuation between a potential friendship between Reptilian and Felis in the description for the Monongahela Bruiser skin.

[granite shard]

Primal was in tide of desolation and felis was leading it then. She was their representative as they went into the land of the dead

[brazen root]

Redshirt has toon force, i'm picking him

[real cedar]

Redshirt survived this long and is good at throwing Dynamite so I trust him

[spiral mica]

Redshirt would probably make an excellent Grenadier.

[spiral mica]

I wonder if anyone else besides me thinks Leon Ulitsky's tier 2 and 3 hunter skins look like a Pinkerton investigator?

[warped shale]

Deckhand

he’s a sailor

he’s probably the strongest of the 3

and the best fist fighter probably

the other two are probably better with guns

[upbeat kiln]

How anyone could bet against a guy as confident as the Redshirt is beyond me. Trust me, he is that guy, pal.

[warped shale]

He made the bet drunker then a chorus girl on new years

[upbeat kiln]

he takes the term "beer muscle" to a whole new level lol

[warped shale]

I seem to remember a piece of paper being handed to him in swig of fortune cinematic

Idk if tha head meant to the deed to land

or if he’s somehow contractually obligated to carry his wager out

[noble scarab]

I think that was part of his bet, the deed of land

[spiral mica]

Bold of you to assume a Irish sailor with murderous tendencies wouldn't know how to use a gun.

[rotund ferry]

Hey valen I got a question is Louisiana lost with land of the dead active there?

Or the bayou

Or is it being controlled by the drowned

[real dove]

The drowned were left behind to keep an eye on the swamps

since from the story, sounded like the corruption there was no longer as bad

[rotund ferry]

Ah ok

So do the drowned remember the hunters?

Like who they were?

[real dove]

yes

[rotund ferry]

Ah ok

So the corruption is worse in the new map now

[real dove]

yes

[rotund ferry]

That explains why a lot of the hunters are heading to Colorado to make sure it does not spread like in the swamps but there might be a chance the land of the dead might open in that area and we have to be prepared for the demented pact to return

Because tbh I hope we can hunt down the rest of the depented pact

[granite shard]

it's doubtful that the land of the dead is gonna open up again bc that only happened due to incredibly specific circumstances and meddling by finch and chary

the demented still exist and are up in colorado

[rotund ferry]

Darn

Because those events were fun

[rotund ferry]

Like very specific right

[spiral mica]

Basically what Alpacalix said. One of the few pacts that didn't move west was Drowned and they stayed behind to look after what was the Graven Path just in case it decides to open again. I'd say think of it like Chernobyl. Just because the danger levels have subsided doesn't mean they've been completely eliminated.

[granite shard]

the land of the dead opened up in tide of desolation after sofia shot the murmurstone with a vial of finch's blood. by the end of tide of desolation it was closed again, and by desolation's wake the three remaining drowned pact members were enough to keep everything on track

[spiral mica]

You've also got Preston and his benefactors of occult researchers and specialists who were dabbling with bounty tokens. Something happened at Grizzly lodge, but the exact details are unknown and most of it is just speculations.

[rotund ferry]

Are the drowned immortal?

[granite shard]

the captain died for real, but it's not really specified on if they're immortal or not

they're undead and probably are harder to kill than regular people at the very least

[rotund ferry]

Huh who

[spiral mica]

I'd say they're extremely durable but aren't necessarily immortal. It could also be like a vengeful spirit kind of scenario where they only truly die and move on once their unfinished business has concluded.

Everyone in the Drowned pact had seemingly met their deaths in some sort of unresolved way too. Rat was betrayed by greed, Kid was caught by the Demented and abruptly executed, Lafitte was a rejected and cowardly captain and I'm not entirely sure what happened with Thirteenth mate but I'm going to assume his death was also due to poor circumstances.

[rotund ferry]

Who’s lafitte

[granite shard]

the captain

[spiral mica]

He's was the captain of the ship known as the Delphine.

[rotund ferry]

Does not ring a bell sorry

Is he a hunter

[spiral mica]

The Delphine played an instrumental role in the tide of shadows event, and pretty much the rest of the tide trilogy.

[granite shard]

yes https://store.steampowered.com/app/2585200/Hunt_Showdown_1896__Law_of_Salvage/

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[rotund ferry]

Ohhhhh that person

[neat juniper]

sailor moment

[noble scarab]

didnt 13th mate just keep getting tossed overboard

[granite shard]

I don't think he really has much lore beyond his hunter bio

[real cedar]

He's the fourth wheel of the drowned's tricycle

[spiral mica]

That kind of death would probably do it for a Drowned pact member so probably

[granite shard]

yeah he mostly just exists to be a hunter in the battle pass tbh

honestly I feel like the captain could have been a battle pass hunter and that would have been sensible

[noble scarab]

i like his design, sadly hes just kinda there

[spiral mica]

Yeah, it was kind of strange how the Drowned pact had four members instead of three since the game now focuses on the whole trio dynamic. He's a cool hunter, but I think his overall existence was more or less just an excuse to include more of the nautical themed stuff in the desolation battle pass.

[neat juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-pose-standing-gif-15566643

[spiral mica]

And to be fair most of the pacts usually have at least 4 or more hunters in them anyways.

But Drowned is the smallest pact in the game with only four and now three members.

[granite shard]

the captain's death is potentially why they made them a quad instead of a trio

since after tide of desolation they'd be brought back down to three members

even then the thirteenth mate is just kinda hanging out there third wheeling to the kid and rat being friends (or at least friendly, since the entire reason the kid got killed was bc he was looking into the rat's death)

[spiral mica]

I'd like to think Rat and Kid are good friends now because of their shared experiences with both of them dying in these very gruesome and horrible ways and then being brought back as the drowned.

[granite shard]

Thirteenth mate hanging out with the rat and kid

[spiral mica]

"Hey Turner?"
"What is it Tona?"
"Hey, I just wanted to apologize for getting you indirectly killed for investigating my death."
"Water under the bridge... and in my lungs, Tona."
"Glad you're still my compadre, Turner."

[warped shale]

The winny 1887 skin in this pack is one of my fav skins in the entire game

[warped shale]

Does the rat and the kid have some sort of connection aside from the whole drowned thing?

I mean why did the kid care enough to be bothered to look for the rat

[spiral mica]

That part I'm not so certain about but I'm sure someone else here could give you a better answer

My guess would be it's because they're maybe both hunters around the same age?

[orchid tangle]

I mean I think the drowned thing alone is good enough to become close

extreme minority, it completely sucks you'd want someone to relate to

[spiral mica]

Yeah, but, he's talking about their relationship before being Drowned. If both of them becoming Drowned was solely the reason they became closer then it wouldn't make sense as to why Kid risked his life investigating into Rat's death during tide of corruption.

[orchid tangle]

in that case, it could be something about pasts, the kid lost his family, the rats father is a pos that's not present, other family is probably gone too. They're both "normal" gunfighters in a world of weirdo murder cultists

[noble scarab]

Was he investigating her death, or was he just investigating the demented pact

[granite shard]

her death

actually on reread

I guess it is more just the altars

"instrumetns of her demise" makes it sound personal to her tho

it is so funny to me tho that the thirteenth mate was totally ignored there

it really does feel like he just existed to be on the BP but they wanted the heart of the story on the rat and the kid lmao

[rotund ferry]

Hey valen which hunter had the worst death so far

[spiral mica]

Probably either Gar, one of the Drowned or Butcher's cleaver.

[noble scarab]

Gar banished, which probably wasn’t pleasant but she was trying to make that happen

The kid got wrapped in barbed wire and then had his face shot off before sinking into the swamp

The hunters chary burned probably had it pretty bad, or whoever all was in those devils moon altars

[spiral mica]

Before Rat became one of the Drowned she was about to blow up some Demented cultists carrying wreckage from the Delphine until Wayward Helmsman shot her in the back which caused her to drop the explosive she was cooking and blew up. The Demented cultists then took her body and her soul was ripped apart and sent to the land of the dead. Before The Kid became a Drowned he was captured and beaten by Demented hunters and when the then leader of the Demented pact, Butcher's cleaver, was finished interrogating Kid for information he used some kind of shotgun to blow half his face off. His corpse was wrapped up in pig skin and stuffed with hay and he was tossed into the water.
After Butcher's cleaver failed to secure the Murmurstone his former accomplices executed him via hive bees where they ate him alive until his corpse was seemingly nothing but bones and picked flesh.
Gar banished atop Rotjaw and I'm assuming being banished is a very painful experience since you'd probably experience jolts of lightning while simultaneously burning up.

[upbeat kiln]

Speaking of that.. What do you think happens when someone is banished?

In one of the old trailers it's stated that they're sent back to hell.

[spiral mica]

These 4 hunters in my own opinion have probably experienced the worst deaths in the story so far.

Because their deaths were either slow and painful and or they were also tortured before they died.

[noble scarab]

I think they’re sent to the land of the dead, express, via rot and necrophagic lightning

[upbeat kiln]

That DOES sound pretty fucking cool tbh

I mean

in like the worst possible way, right?

but still cool

[noble scarab]

Maybe something like what hunters experience when collecting a clue but 100000% more intense

[rotund ferry]

What Happend to gar

[spiral mica]

She banished along with Rotjaw back to the land of the dead. I'm really going on the assumption that banishing is a extremely painful process to experience.

Like I said your body is probably electrocuted with high voltage while simultaneously catching fire and burning up. Presumably this would all happen to you while you're still alive.

[rotund ferry]

That’s very shocking pun intended

[spiral mica]

Very heated and shocking

[rotund ferry]

So jar took princess with her?

[spiral mica]

Pretty much. I forgot exactly what chapter it was but in the tide of desolations story it depicts a statue of Enola and Gar hugging each other inside the mouth of Rotjaw with Lynch sitting on top of Rotjaw's head. My interpretation is that it's some sort of physical representation of them within the land of the dead but how it all works is a little vague so I can't really be sure of it.

[noble scarab]

Gar feels like a proto-drowned and I wish they’d have gone into that a bit more

[spiral mica]

Gar definitely looks like a Drowned but she also possesses obvious themes that the Primal and Demented have.

[manic lichen]

Holy fuck!

[fickle sluice]

For some reason I always assumed that Enola and Gar are the same person. Not sure why tho

[real cedar]

They both got hurricane'd and have a connection with Princess

[upbeat kiln]

I thought that too 😄

Verdict, Rai?

[real cedar]

Gar's bio would have to be lying for Gar and Enola to be the same person. Gar was in the '93 hurricane, while Enola was in the 1812 hurricane. Enola was seen by the Delphine's crew (who entered the LOTD from the '93 hurricane) from a distance, and then the Delphine popped out of the LOTD in 1895 along with Rotjaw, leaving Enola still inside where she talks with Lynch.
In order for Gar to be Enola, Lynch would've had to jettison her out of the LOTD immediately after Rotjaw left, so no 1893 hurricane to be transformed in. They further got solidified as separate in Tide of Desolation when Drowned Rat sees their statues are nestled together in the Rotjaw statue's mouth.

Hm, they might actually be the real live Gar and Enola rather than statue versions, it's hard to tell with the description

[last ginkgo]

Nerds

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-23156898

[real dove]

I really hoped Enola and Gar would end up being fused- that Lynch found Gar's drowned body in the LOD (or outside of it) and used to to get Enola back to RJ (hence Gar's facination with RJ) but alas, all signs point to them being 2 different people despite having many weirdly in common phrases.

[spiral mica]

When I first read all the Enola and Gar stuff I thought Enola was some little girl from the 18th century and Gar was a distant relative.

[earnest jungle]

This is what I believe if I'm being honest.

[granite shard]

I don’t think the timeline matches up for it

[earnest jungle]

I'd chalk that up to time not really existing in the land of the dead; it's all just kind of a soup of past and present and future existing simultaenously

[granite shard]

Like lynch didn’t even get into the land of the dead until 1895 after the twins stuff, and the gar had her transformation in 93

Like time works weird but I don’t think it works that weird, I think it’s more that it passes like soup, slowly and whatnot

[earnest jungle]

Rotjaw herself is proof that time is infact that weird.

[granite shard]

We don’t see things going back in time tho. Like we see stuff being hellishly stretched but not someone impacting things several years back

[earnest jungle]

But we do: the shadow gators that the Reptilian Created

He creates them in 1895 but they appear when Enola enters the land of the Dead in 1812

[granite shard]

The shadow gators I don’t think popped up until we get to the undated parts

[earnest jungle]

Nope

they show up on Day 15

[sinful bloom]

Damn pens and an egg

[granite shard]

Also like even then I don’t think this is proof that stuff from the land of the dead can impact the past. Like those aren’t even necessarily from the reptilian so much as gators die and this is Lousiana

[earnest jungle]

From a meta perspective they have to be the same or what is the point of including them at all in the narrative around Rotjaw.

[granite shard]

Like we do not see actions from the land of the dead impact the land of the living going backwards in time. At most there is a potential link from LotL to LotD but even then, not guaranteed

I don’t think from a meta perspective they have to be the same. From my perspective they just exist to help push the gator and spooky lotd theming

If Enola and the gar were meant to be the same they would have more clearly established that lynch can impact the past from the land of the dead, but the timeline doesn’t add up

[earnest jungle]

We'll have to agree to disagree

I don't think it's just that time moves slowly in the Land of the dead it's that it simply does not exist.

A>B; B>C; C>D; D>B; B>B; B>A

[granite shard]

But time exists in the land of the living and they would still be beholden to that. The drowned didn’t pop up whenever in time, they were able to leave the land of the dead when the connection was made to the land of the living through the graven path

And they came out exactly when the path was open

[earnest jungle]

The Drowned thanks for reminding me!

The Drowned Rat's Description says "Lifeless and decaying, the Rat sank forever. At forever's end, a ritual was performed: the hearts of a hundred sailors set aflame. Incantations uttered to rot flesh in reverse. She awoke cursed with a mind fractured between worlds, charged with saving only one of them."

[granite shard]

Yes

The time is fucked there, I am not denying that time is weird in the land of the dead

I am saying that we never see the strangeness of time in the land of the dead impacting the land of the living

The kid and the rat wandered the land of the dead for ages but time moved normally in the land of the living

[earnest jungle]

And I'm saying that the Drowned, Gar, and Rotjaw are proof we have in fact seen the strangeness of time in the land of the dead impact the land of the living

[granite shard]

We do not see it impacting things back in time

[earnest jungle]

Then we are at an impass

You can't convince me and I can't convince you

Let us leave it at that

[spiral mica]

Is it mentioned anywhere that time travel could be a thing in the lore? I know there's stuff like shadow leap that allows you to travel short distances in the land of the dead but I'm not really sure if that qualifies.

[gilded umbra]

Make Lore Great Again 🤠

[noble scarab]

Best I can recall there’s no time travel

I could see there being ways to look into the past via ritual and confirmed methods of reasonably reliable divination

[earnest jungle]

I Think it would be easier if I drew out what I meant.

[earnest jungle]

So like you have the land of living which has time and the land of the dead which doesn’t

Time exists for people and beings inside the land of the living and stops existing in the land of the dead

The gators did not go back in time because time doesn’t exist in the land of the dead - everyone is going to same place

Again I will admit this is all based on how I interpret how people describe their experience of time in the Land of the Dead and your millage will vary

I'm not asertingg this as fact or the only interpretation this is just my interpretation of the available evidence.

In summation:

https://tenor.com/view/emesis-blue-tf2-team-fortress-2-gif-16892602814653876603

[spiral mica]

My question is how would that exactly affect people inside the land of the dead? Over half the current cast of hunters ventured into the Graven Path and into the land of the dead during the events of desolation. Would aging work differently or would it be like if you traveled out into space and aged slower than people on Earth?

Another question I'd have is if someone from the past like Enola and Princess for example went into the land of the dead, but someone from the future also went into the land of the dead would they both be in the exact same instance like something out of Back to the Future?

I guess what I'm getting at is if you're insinuating that the land of the dead's time zone follows something like Albert Einstein's theory of relativity?

[warped shale]

Prolly

that’s how the kid and the drowned kid exist at the same time

or how revenant and bad hand exist at the same time

[noble scarab]

don't we see the hunters that go in say a long time passes to them while they're in there?

but not much if anyone passes outside TLOD

[noble scarab]

"The paddle churned for years, decades.
Sculpted combs spiraled along the walls into the sky. Each glowed with stars--eggs--larvae--promises from beyond.
After an eternity, we beached onto an island at the core" this is from CH 14 which is the only time anything relating to time is mentioned in ToD

and the time distortion is only mentioned when they reach the mound

[fickle sluice]

Maybe this is just me reading too much Moorcock. But TLOD reminds me a whole lot of the Concept of Tanelorn. A fixed place at the metaphysical center of the universe where all time and space exist at the same time. Granted, semantics are different. But from what I understand, time isn't moving in TLOD, but entropy still exists. Time does nothing in there, but things are still operational in there. Points of ingress like the graven path merely give outsiders a fixture on which to orientate themselves. You can get in and out, but only at your reference point (in time and space).

[upbeat kiln]

can I get a petition for "Em's Animated Adventures" going? 😄

[earnest jungle]

I think this is exactly my take on the Land of the Dead

[real cedar]

Well shit, the new Hunt anniversary video showed off an easter egg I've never seen before

There's a creepy doll hiding underneath C&A Lumber

[spiral mica]

I've seen that a few times now and I have absolutely no clue what that is referencing.

[real cedar]

No reference, the dolls and ducks are just their own genre of easter egg across the maps

[spiral mica]

Lol good to know

[gilded umbra]

I showed a friend one of your Hunt lore videos this morning and she said, “What’s wrong with his voice?” 🤔 and I replied, “Nothing”. 🤠 Your content is superb and appreciated. 💯 Keep up the great work. 👍🏽

[upbeat kiln]

Haha appreciate that, man. Kind of you. ❤️

[warped shale]

Are you that feller I seen in flamboyant horses YT comments writing books

[upbeat kiln]

I'm sorry, what?

[warped shale]

Must’ve been a look alike never mind

[upbeat kiln]

A look alike? I have no idea what you mean, man 😄

[woeful ferry]

Any speculation about when the new lore for the website to be added or are we still in the dark?

[granite shard]

Have they said that they’re adding new lore? It seems to mostly just be them updating the site with the lore removed from the game

[warped shale]

All it just says” coming soon”

[granite shard]

Yeah that’s what I thought

It’s possible we get something new in the hunters page, but I imagine that it’ll be their bios that were removed and maybe a link to the book of weapons pages about them

[spiral mica]

I'm assuming who's ever in charge of maintaining the site will probably update the website with new entries and whatnot periodically as new stuff comes out overtime. I'd still say the fan-made compendium is a more reliable source just because documenting and maintaining the established lore we currently have in the game doesn't appear to be at the front of the agenda.

A lot of what was removed from the game still isn't in there so it's anyone's guess when all that is going to make an appearance finally.

[woeful ferry]

Got a link to the fan made Compendium?

[granite shard]

Check the pinned messages in the channel

[warped shale]

Wait is there a connection between the kid and Captain Laffite?

[real cedar]

They're both Drowned, that's the main connection. The Housatonic likely ended up in the Land of the Dead.

[warped shale]

Huh I did the think the ritual that made drowned hunters had any connection to naval war fare I wonder why they seem so connected

Maybe drowned hunters make some sort of deal which Captain Laffite saving their soul from hell in exchange they serve on some sort of cursed ship in the land of the dead

like davey jones in pirates of the Caribbean

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-crew-lad-davy-jones-potc-liars-dice-jack-sparrow-gif-22528510

[real cedar]

It seems like a lot of ships go to the land of the dead, either in hurricanes or when they sink

[warped shale]

in the bio for the captain it says he guides ships home

When they sink

what the heck is the motives of the drowned characters

some of them sorta make sense like the sailers but what is going on with the rat and the kid

[real cedar]

They were turned into the Drowned by a witch, Lynch, as part of her scheme to guide Hunters into the Land of the Dead and blow up the soon to be born Desolation titan-thingy, which would somehow give her more power

[spiral mica]

I wonder if there's some sort of boat or designated entity that guides people to the land of the dead like Davy Jones was supposed to do and what Will Turner eventually ends up doing.

[warped shale]

That’s what I was thinking

The captain must’ve back ended the Lynch’s power

why would the Lynn want a ton of sailers

[granite shard]

I think it’s less that lynch wanted sailors specifically and more that the land of the dead in Lousiana was just nautical hell

At the end of desolation’s wake, Sofia muses a bit about how death is all waterlogged in Lousiana but it’ll look different elsewhere

[warped shale]

aight but the rat and the kid are the only waterlogged hunters that aren’t sailers

and if it’s about the land of the dead why do the hunters come back to the bayou

the wet kids bio it says ship wrecks he has chokes with captains ship stamped into it

the rat would be the only drowned that ain’t a sailer hunter if the kid wasn’t such a golden retriever he managed to fallow the rat all the way to the captains crew in the land of the dead

[earnest cloak]

Little IRL lore: Winchester 50-95 Express was largest round the Centennial 1876 was chambered for. I found some at auction.

[tired spear]

Oof that's a thiccboi

[real dove]

Night Mother was Weird Sis's GF, right?

or am I recalling her lore blurb wrong

i will look

nvm

yes

right

ty me

also Rai

for making that easy

TILT: PM and I are the same age

Also lol

[real cedar]

[real dove]

I found the GF blurb equally as funny

GG

[noble scarab]

Same, and post is only 29? I thought he’d be 40

[real dove]

nah, we've reached the age I think where a lot of artists and such are the same age or close that we are

I assumed he was mildly older, but not 40

[ember halo]

Damn post is younger than me but looks older

[warped shale]

beard

[ember halo]

Nah I have one too. I think it's the tattoos and beer gut

[grand python]

and chain smoking

[warped shale]

he looks early 20s without a beard

[spiral mica]

Did 50-95 .E ever come in hollow points? Or is dumdum for the Centennial also realistically unjustifiable?

[warped shale]

I think dum dum is a field modification to fmj

different then hallow point afaik

But the name carried over for a while anyway

[real cedar]

The ones in Hunt probably are made that way, rather than manufactured in India like true Dumdum

[warped shale]

Dum dum

hallow point

[spiral mica]

Makes sense I guess since both are intended to cause the most amount of trauma internally after the bullet has made impact.

[warped shale]

Same purpose the name is somewhat interchangeable and there intent is the same

[earnest cloak]

https://www.blackpowdercartridge.com/Media/Articles/2018 Issues/2 Summer/MN-A.jpg

[spiral mica]

"FMJ or Soft and Hollow" well damn.

I guess Centennial dumdum is basically a real thing

[high stone]

Any Hunter could file a split into the tip of a bullet in a few minutes…it’s just artificial scarcity for gameplay balancing

[warped shale]

all bullets cause bleeding anyway

I wonder if the AHA has some kind of convention banning some weapons

[high stone]

Hmm..i doubt it

[brazen root]

They probably ban anything too humane

[fickle sluice]

As if they view hunters as people

[upbeat kiln]

Probably more like the opposite lol

[quaint valley]

Real questions,

Are we all baddies? We're killing fellow humans over money essentially and teaming up as an army and glassing the bayou.

[neat juniper]

half of us only killing others because they are trying to kill us first, so not ALL of us are baddies

but also we keep coming back for the money knowing we will have to most probably kill other people who are trying to kill us

so it's like, 50/50

[spiral mica]

So do you think when centennial dumdum was made scarce did a certain group of hunters or organization also go around and confiscate all the centennial dumdum from hunters?

[real cedar]

In short, yes. Anyone could choose to leave the Incursion zones by buying a ticket to anywhere else in the country, so those who choose to stay and fight monsters for bounty pay are a different breed. But with few bounties and lots of people willing to kill monsters vying for it, Dark Forest Theory murder became the norm. Checking to see if the hunter in the distance is one of the good ones is an excellent way to get a bullet in your face, so better to assume everyone is willing to kill you, and shoot first - just like how players act in game.

[warped shale]

Also the world would change as time passes the law would crackdown on the aha and hunters killing hunters I’m sure some sort of full scale army intervention would happen sooner or later

by 1895 the Wild West is already dying

in 20 years war planes become a thing

[spiral mica]

I think it all depends on the individual hunters. If you're just out there trying to make quick and easy money for yourself or trying to support a family like that one guy from the Berthier mastery then I'd say you're morally justified. If you're someone like Claeg aka Reaper and you're out here killing people to retain your memories, I'd say you're probably in that morally gray area, because you're taking numerous other lives just to preserve your own, and if you're the type of hunter to fall in with groups like Demented or Infernal than you're probably a pretty devious person and up to no good.

[real cedar]

The descriptions of the Rookie hunters give a very nice array of motives for entering the Hunt, ranging from almost noble to straight evil. Good storytelling in that

[spiral mica]

You could also look at it like how people choose a reason to serve in a military. What's the reason you'd choose to be a bounty hunter? Is it because of financial circumstances? Are you trying to be that last line of defense for some semblance of law and order? Are your reasons possibly more personal or are your reasons more sinister and evil?

I think its up to the individual for interpretation.

[warped shale]

there are also the hunters that are deputized into penal hunters

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I've seen comments on older hunter trailers on YouTube that compliment the whole concept of a diverse roster for hunters with different backgrounds and motives.

[fickle sluice]

Personally I think there are no good people who survive a meaningful time in the AHA or what's left of it. There are just "less bad" people.

And as for government intervention: I wouldn't be surprised if Benefactors like Preston have enough economic pull to influence Washington into ignoring what's happening.

[warped shale]

apparently there are a good bit of other factions

[gilded umbra]

We fall only to rise again wiser than before.

[lunar matrix]

Where can I read the hunter lore/ is hazmats video good?

[real cedar]

The pinned messages of this channel has a compendium of all the lore.
Hazmat's videos are great 💪

[gilded harness]

Is there any lore on the last two events?

[spiral mica]

Not really no

[warped shale]

idk about the one before circus but circus had some pretty good stuff

Check the pinned doc in this channel

there’s also the cinematic

[ember halo]

Literal Post Malone had his circus hijacked by giggles the clown. She uses a magical stone to travel in and out of the land of the dead.

[granite shard]

The magic stone is also apparently not magic

[gilded harness]

I know all of what is in the pinned document, which is extremely well done and thorough. I didn't know if there was some kind of website only lore like we used to get in Battelpasses where there were multiple chapters. It's a shame that this feature seems to have been removed as well as Trials, as there was also lore there.

[granite shard]

Yeah it’s unfortunate

The official site is finally starting to archive the lore

And I believe Nicolette Stewart (former lead narrative designer and also poet sulphur band singer) could potentially be back on hunt?

So I think there might be hope

[ruby current]

the mention of this made me go re-read some of the old entries

damn the writing was so good.

[sinful warren]

wait, when did she leave?

[granite shard]

2023 or so, her and most of the writing team had moved to crysis 4

I don't know if she's 100% back on hunt but she's still at crytek and her insta bio says lead narrative designer for crytek. at this point, hunt's the only project being actively developed there so it's likely she's gonna be doing stuff for hunt again

in what way, I'm not really sure, but hopefully it means that we'll be seeing stuff going forward

[real cedar]

Late summer could have some fun stuff in store, time to hope again

[granite shard]

🙏

the lore removal has been a really constant point of contention in the community since the relaunch, I think in a way that surprised crytek, so I'm hopeful

[spiral mica]

I actually didn't know the lead singer in PSB was so essential to the game's lore until she was actually gone. You can definitely notice the dip in quality now that these people aren't in the picture anymore.

I'm hoping things will change in the near future.

[granite shard]

I heavily disagree, I think the tides trilogy had been really strong and built on the foundation established during her tenure

and stuff like rotjaw's book of monsters entry ended up being one of the strongest book of monsters entries we got

[real cedar]

The tides trilogy would've been written while she was still around, at least the outline

[granite shard]

I'm not sure-- one of my friends had been on that team and the way they talked about it, their team didn't have a gigantic hand in it

[spiral mica]

Didn't you say she left rather late in 2023? I can't really remember the exact dates of the tidal events simply because it now feels like it's been so long since those events and even long for prior ones from those.

[granite shard]

she left sometime in 2023, I'm not sure at which point but it was after devil's moon and before the tides trilogy

[real cedar]

ah then if it was right after devil's moon that would've been enough time for others to write up the whole tides

[granite shard]

but like my general point is that i don't think there was a massive dip in quality in either event stories (which improved after seeing what did/didn't work with moons) or book of weapons entries (most were about the same quality as we've always gotten, with movement towards linking together older stuff and newer stuff). I'm still really glad to see nicolette potentially return bc I liked what happened when she was leading things

[spiral mica]

Well, even so it feels like a lot of people who were crucial to the story just aren't around anymore because the game just doesn't feel the same as it did during the moon and tidal trilogies.

[granite shard]

but I just wanted to speak in defense of the later stuff. imo what fucked things up the most was just getting shit axed late game

[spiral mica]

Yeah I didn't mean that the newer stuff like tides are bad at all. In fact, I'd say tide of shadows is probably my favorite event because of all the cool and new stuff it did introduce to the game. It was the biggest and most successful event besides Scorched Earth.

[real cedar]

The dip happened with the 2024 change in staff I think, mainly you see it in the newer bios and especially post malone's blogpost story

[granite shard]

yeah

scorched earth's I believe had been written prior to the decision to cut the story elements

[real cedar]

It's such a shame too cause Scorched Earth had a bunch of great ideas and story flair with how to present it

[granite shard]

and I think that's why we saw stuff like "bee and pig" be included-- there was likely a plan for that to be expanded upon later

[spiral mica]

Also, when I say dip in quality I mean the two most recent events those being Harvest of ghosts and Murder circus. The vibes just don't feel like they did when I started playing this game.

[granite shard]

ah yeah, that's fair

I was just taking "dip in quality" being in terms of when we actually had lore in events haha

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I completely agree with that.

[granite shard]

but yeah either way, this is still just largely speculation on my part since I could be reading too much into her bio having lead narrative designer for crytek in it, but I'm hopeful

[spiral mica]

I miss when I could read up on the different lore in between games or while loading into one. I'd always go back to refresh myself on the Rotjaw mastery since it was so new and intriguing to me.

I'm hopeful that with enough of the more recent feedback that the overall direction changes to better fit in line with the previous vibes that the game has had.

[granite shard]

🤞

[spiral mica]

Some of the new stuff is definitely cool and all, but in most cases I just feel like old is gold.

[granite shard]

I think they've just tried really hard to capture a larger audience and that hasn't worked

like I want there to be new blood coming into hunt bc the game's a lot of fun and I love playing w people and meeting people that like the game

like I've been on rednote as of late and getting to chat with some of the CN community and it's been such a blast getting to meet other people who love the game and the lore and chatting with them, and I'd just love there to be more people coming fresh into the game here and elsewhere to chat with

[loud steeple]

2022 was def the prime of the game

It doesn’t matter how many cool new things they add because they’re also adding shit that negatively impacts the game

[real cedar]

As far stories go, it's kinda a tossup between 2022 and 2023. The Moon trilogy went in a weird direction and didn't contribute to the overall narrative but the weapon mastery stories from that time were killer. Pelican Island Prison, Sofia & Lulu, Jed Owenthal and his wife.
The Tide Trilogy was definitely the better event trilogy, while the weapon mastery stories of that time were more side things, often one-offs from unknown or unimportant authors that shed a small bit of light on some legendary hunters like Carter and Sheriff Hardin. Mara Cranston hunting Meatheads stands out as a great story, while Micah Mitchell's throws the timeline for a loop.

[spiral mica]

I've had numerous different people on several separate occasions tell me how great the game is at introducing new players and drawing them in, but it's retaining those same players that is an issue. The whole event with Rotjaw really picked up the player base and was the first time we saw a significant rise in numbers. Unfortunately I've noticed over the years that during specific periods, especially in between January and April the game's population drops significantly and some of those players don't return at all.

[spiral mica]

And I really hate to say it but I mostly agree with you on that. Some of the new additions to the game are cool and all, but overall I feel like the majority of them do affect the game poorly.

[edgy aspen]

Bring back lore. Keeps some players around longer. Creates attachment for many. Lack of lore doesn't bring in players. No one is sticking around because lack of lore.

[blazing spire]

For sure man. Old hunt just had so many little details that immersed me and made me love the game and now I feel like it’s kinda lifeless

[warped shale]

There’s still a ton of lore to get into

I do wish it was in game

[upbeat kiln]

@real cedar

Here is the timeline. Though it is incomplete, of course. It contains only the larger pieces of the lore - and not any of the event lore.

Would you maybe like the Photoshop file, in case you want to add stuff? 😄

[real cedar]

Never used photoshop before but might as well, I might add on side plots here and there

[upbeat kiln]

I'll DM it to you ❤️

[mint wind]

Who are Vincetn, Finch and David already ?

[real cedar]

Vincent Orsica is the human name of the Assassin. Elwood Finch is the administrator of the AHA, later Director after Huff dies. David Hennesy was a police chief of New Orleans, whos murder sparked a lynching

[mint wind]

Ok ok.

[upbeat kiln]

In similar fashion to @real cedar's lore compendium. I have compiled all of my lore videos into the Hunt: Showdown Lore Codex

https://youtu.be/N0u7rNTEby0

[real cedar]

Huge lore dump 💪

[gilded umbra]

Impressive work as usual. They should make you a Hunt partner, and your custom hunter should have a 1896 version of a rebreather. 🤠

[wheat vapor]

Sorry I might be late to the lore here (new to the game), but I noticed hunters like Midan and Morrigan have their stories somewhat tied to Scrapbeak. And The Cowl is affected by Assassin. Is there any other hunters who are tied to the bosses we hunt?

[real cedar]

The other two hunters like that are Butcher's Cleaver from Tide of Corruption event (tied to the Butcher), and The Centipede from Desolation's Wake (Spider-adjacent, it's related to her lore of leaving The Demented)

[wheat vapor]

Thats really cool! Thanks I'm gonna look it up now

Is there any specific reason why these legendary hunters are no longer available?

[real cedar]

They were exclusive event hunters for their respective event battlepasses, so now they're marked Mythic and can't return. It used to be you could still at least view them in the menu even if you could never have them, but they changed that with Update 2.0

[wheat vapor]

Ahh I see. Thats a shame, I wish for lore sake players like me can still see them or look them up.

[edgy aspen]

The Researcher is tied to Assassin I believe. The great story of Vincent Orsica and Harold Black.

[granite shard]

Yeah

[real cedar]

AY YO?

[torn light]

Lore hype?

[real cedar]

Event lore is on the website now

[torn light]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/legacy-lore-returns

[granite shard]

hopefully they put the moon trilogy on there

[torn light]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore

Looks like they’ll be updating it slowly but surely

“Coming soon”

[real cedar]

Funny you say that...

[granite shard]

oh?

[real cedar]

They didn't

[granite shard]

yeah

I'm hoping for the future haha

[real cedar]

Ahh

[granite shard]

weird not to include the moon trilogy when it sets up chary and stuff when he's important for the first two tides events

[torn light]

Tide of shadows is the farthest back looks like

So hopefully they’ll go farther back

[granite shard]

still, I'm glad to have an official archive of this for the first time

[real cedar]

Oh and they have a coming soon section for Port Sulphur Band now

[granite shard]

I'd also love to see the voice actors credited at some point

[real cedar]

They're really making me obsolete

[granite shard]

haha, never obsolete in our hearts

[real cedar]

Ah shit now I gotta check each event to see if they've made changes

🙏 maybe they've fixed the timeline?

[granite shard]

the little summary of each chapter is... strange

I do like that each entry page has a summary of what goes on in the story tho

also the "Are they fact, fiction, fable, or fallacy? We may never know for sure, but there's truth to every lie, and a lie to every truth. Read on, and decide for yourself." part is a good reminder for people haha

[real cedar]

The Scorched Earth summary puts some more confirmation on elements of the story, like it is indeed Butcher and Beekeeper. Though the summary says that the hellborn experiment started the incursion rather than the grizzly lodge ritual

[granite shard]

also fron the blog -- "we want to assure you that it will not be abandoned" -- it feels like the uproar abt the removal of lore was really unexpected by crytek

[brazen root]

this is looking pretty good

[brazen root]

lmfao

they're giving you work

[real cedar]

I love to see it 💪

[granite shard]

I’m curious to see how they arrange the book of weapons stuff

Like if they’re gonna do it by weapon type or by storyline

I’m hoping it’s by storyline

[real cedar]

I really hope it's by storyline, that'd make putting it on the wiki so much easier. Also it'd be fun to see if I made any errors in ordering the stories in the compendium

[real dove]

LROELORELORELORE

we're so back gamers

[granite shard]

My hope too is the Hunter tab links to their stories in the book of weapons page

[real dove]

the ship is getting righted

[granite shard]

But realistically I think it’ll just be their bios

[granite shard]

I’m so curious to see what pushed them to make this change tbh

The blog post I think has the implication that new stories will be told too

I think the closest we’ll see that is either q4 2025 or q1 2026

[brazen root]

would be truly goated if they hyperlinked the shit out of this, letting a hunter's page show every story they appear in, for example, and every story they appear in linking to their page

[granite shard]

Yeah that’d be nice

It would be cool too if each hunter could get a DLC page style bio as well

That likely won’t happen but it’d be nice

[torn light]

Not the Nola