lore-discussion

[granite shard]

I feel like the issue w military theming is that there's only so much you can do with the uniform

[earnest jungle]

Honestly I'm fine with having fewer

I've learned enough about the American-Indian Wars to know that having a former cavalry soldier would be a lot like having a former SS soldier. There's a reason Custer killed himself before he could be taken into the custody of the Sioux.

[icy brook]

I’ve been working with the Reynolds Battle lately, I would like to see a few more vets of the era

[earnest jungle]

I believe it was Vine Deloria Jr. of the Standing Rock Sioux who described General Custer as "The Echiman of the Plains."

[real cedar]

There's plenty you can do with the uniform. We've seen Wayward Helmsman and Captain Laffite both pull off separate naval uniform styles. Jesse Buchanan, Prodigal Daughter, and Otis Blackwell with civil war uniforms adapted for Hunting, Sgt. Bridgewater, Mountie with two different styles of "clean" uniforms. Stuff like that

[granite shard]

but like if we're all going for more recent/"active" soldiers of the same conflict on the same side, there's less room for variety than going across several conflicts and countries

[earnest jungle]

Also the mid 1890s was a relatively peacful period of American History.

[granite shard]

it's the same sort of thing I think happens with some of the more pure "cowboy" sort of hunters-- it's a bit more limited in a theme, especially since we see a lot of the tiered hunters hitting the notes of "person in old military uniform" (and cowboy aesthetics)

[earnest jungle]

Too late for the American Indian Wars, too early for the American Colonial Interventions in Asia and Latin America

[icy brook]

I really would enjoy a progressive skin that begins in a new uniform and ruins it with use

[earnest jungle]

like the viper

[icy brook]

We NEED the coveted M1873 trowel bayonet, as seen in the famous Big Hole Battle

[wet island]

https://preview.redd.it/1873-springfield-trapdoor-with-trowel-bayonet-v0-mvtpp2i6c93a1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d6d2fa354ac6d5ced78cd98583b885517f26d65a

[mint wind]

The limitation with military uniforms is that you can only really have the american ones... and let's admit that Crytek should never add confederate uniforms.

[granite shard]

I mean we can have foreign uniforms-- the mountie for one

[mint wind]

To a certain limit, otherwise it'd be deserters and it would be weird for them to leave with their uniform.

Besides, Mountie is more akin to a police than army.

[granite shard]

tbf, for a lot of these people deserting makes sense

like that's the case for sgt bridgewater and he's US based

[icy brook]

A Turkish or Ottoman uniformed character would be very cool

Fez and all

[earnest jungle]

Oh and and uh: the Sultan's Palace from the Concubine's Backstory is a real place in New Orleans

Gardette-LePretre Mansion

Her backstory is in fact drawn from a real life ghost story about the place

[spiral mica]

Previously there have been and still are as far as I'm concerned certain hunters that have very confederate-ish looking clothing that they wear. The idea or concept of a former confederate guerilla turned bounty hunter would not be out of place there. Plus, it's not a very difficult distinguishment to make when you consider most confederates would just wear clothing they had or more organized confederate forces wore what is basically the Union uniform but gray instead of blue.

[earnest jungle]

Story goes that in the 1830s a Turkish prince moved into the place with his Haram and one day the fine folks of New Orleans awoke to find the occupants of the house hacked to pieces and the Turkish prince burried alive

[mint wind]

It was more dirty union outfits that lost the color with time. But the Confederation implies things Hunt really doesn't need.

[granite shard]

• when hunt purposefully brings in soldiers associated with the civil war as a playable character, they make pretty good efforts to confirm them as a union soldier or having a union association

[spiral mica]

I mean, stuff like the old LeMat Mk.II description already implies it. Although it'd be a fair assumption to say that they probably retconned all that. It's entirely possible that the American civil war never even happened and that things like the abolishment of slavery and other reformations made to the U.S. Constitution occurred under entirely different circumstances. It's more or less already been confirmed that real world events in history don't directly translate to the Hunt world.

Either way though I'll continue to say what I've said in the past to people who desire a hunter or other content related to the confederacy, don't count on it.

[mint wind]

LeMat is kind of a testimony about the war. It happened, the soldiers are somewhere, but Crytek doesn't want them in Hunt. A soldier carrying the confederate uniform is much more likely to be one who wanted to fight for it.

[spiral mica]

I agree that despite the historical importance of it all that Crytek likely doesn't want to directly acknowledge it in any major way to avoid certain assumptions and implications.

Although with that being said I won't deny the concept and that it definitely would make perfect sense that there would be something like former confederate guerillas and other veterans of the war from the confederate side that would join the AHA and turn to bounty hunting as a career choice. I just don't ever see Crytek acknowledging that despite what people might want.

[real cedar]

Is it confirmed that real world events don't always translate? There's so many examples where it does, I can't really think of any specific time they've directly contradicted established history. Filling in the gaps is what they do more often.
The civil war 1000% happened. It's mentioned in several places from the History Of blogs to the Prodigal Daughter's bio

[icy brook]

There are/were some pretty obscure events that are referenced, one of the Springfield m1866 mentions the rifle’s impact in Red Cloud’s War

[spiral mica]

I mean, we know for sure that because the existence of certain firearms in-game that the manufacturing history of certain firearms possibly wouldn't align with what actually occurred in real history. I'm not necessarily referring to the notion that certain real life historical events did not and or will not occur in the world of Hunt: Showdown, only that I am merely entertaining the idea that they possibly will not occur in the world of Hunt: Showdown because of certain, albeit, minor details. For example, we can't know for sure if Joseph Alphonse Hout will come up with the idea to convert the Canadian-manufactured Ross rifle into the fully automatic light machine-gun known as the Huot conversion because of something like the Mosin-nagant Avtomat already existing prior to the year 1916. As for the Civil war comment, I'm personally under the assumption that those events are still Canon material within Hunt but also under speculation that because of the current narrative direction that certain events may or may not have been retconned in the lore for convenience's sake and that little tidbits of detail like the previous LeMat Mk.II description no longer being present in the game that it's a possibility that events such as the American Civil War never occurred and that like I said earlier things such as the abolishment of slavery and other reformations made to the U.S. Constitution happened under completely different circumstances.

[high stone]

Yeah, I think it’s good subject matter for Scognamiglio too, since he seemed to be biased toward a mythical/spiritual/supernatural point of view

[high stone]

I think Rai is right, Hunt story has been more about working around actual events and filling in the unknowns with Hunt’s fiction. Also, i’ve seen it clarified a few times, if you read about the Huot-from-Lewis-from-1890s-Mannlicher chain of ideas that leads to the Huot in the 20th century, you can see the Avtomat isn’t a wild alt-reality steampunk thing, it’s become a dumb sticking point because the artist took a little too much directly from the Huot’s appearance

[spiral mica]

Oh for sure, I think Rai is 100% right as well but still a guy can speculate.

[real cedar]

Further, it seems that the avtomat was an incredibly niche invention that the researcher didn't even believe existed until the schematics were found, according to the book of weapons note. It seemingly had no influence on firearms technology outside of the Hunt, leaving everything open for Huot to come up with the idea independently

[high stone]

Hm!

[icy brook]

Imagine being so committed to the bit you design something like that and not try to peddle it

People who transcend the profit incentive will always allude me

[high stone]

There are so many dead end pitches and small productions for new firearms through the 19th century too, they could all be easily stolen designs, copied, influenced, etc.

[real cedar]

The book of weapons blurb on the avto is pretty good:
The original Mosin-Nagant rifle may be one of the most difficult - bordering on the impossible - bolt-action rifles to modify into a fully automatic firearm. No sane engineer would even consider such a thing, and the design of the Mosin-Nagant Avtomat clearly indicates that its creator was an adept, if mentally unstable person. It would have taken extraordinary gunsmithing skills to modify the Mosin-Nagant in this way, making it one of the rarest automatic weapons of its time. As such, it never gained traction among conventional military forces, going too far against the grain of contemporary military theory, and was never mass produced.

Some crazy genius made a couple of them but everyone was like why the hell would you do that?

[high stone]

Haha, pretty good!

[spiral mica]

This is pretty interesting seeing as how there actually did exist schematics for firearms that existed during ww1 that have been completely lost to time.

In the case of Battlefield 1's development Dice basically had to improvise about how some of these weapons would operate, some even based on photographic evidence alone.

Honestly for all we know there could've been a weapon or at the very least attempts for a weapon like the Huot and Avtomat much earlier than 1916.

[noble scarab]

circus ending slide leaked

by leaked i mean it bugged out and reset peoples battle pass, again

[real cedar]

Ugh, so it really wasn't just a turn of phrase.
A whole damn circus can casually travel through the Land of the Dead, that mythical place that even Mr. Chary had to go through extreme measures to breach. Giggles is Lynch tier?

[noble scarab]

chary fucked up, mans shouldve just waited around and bought a ticket

[granite shard]

To be fair for the lotd traversal, shadow step is canonically going through the land of the dead

I think that maybe after tide of desolation shit got fucky

Shrug

[earnest jungle]

Hence my own theory: due to a translation error Mr. chary confused the Heliostone and the Murmur Stone and spent three years hunting for the wrong occult artifact.

[spiral mica]

Yuck I don't like any of that because it could imply that Chary was the one who traded the Heliostone to Post Malone which just wouldn't make any sense at all.

[real cedar]

No idea what the significance is, but I just noticed Sgt. Bridgewater has a coin, medal, or token hanging around his neck that says 'Montana'.
Couldn't find a matching irl example from quick searches.

[icy brook]

I’m unfamiliar with those tokens, but it does align with his station on a reservation from his bio

Fort Missoula was known for its frequent stationing of African American detachments, that may be an inspiration or reference

[spiral mica]

For awhile I thought they were old dog tags

[earnest jungle]

No I mean all this time Chary was looking for the wrong artifact. Chary thought the Murmurstone and the Heliostone were the same artifact when really they were separate.

[earnest jungle]

They look like dog tags so he was probably stationed out in Montana

Dog Tags didn’t become standard issue until 1906 but soldiers would still make use of them.

[spiral mica]

That's still very silly

or like I said Sculptor or Chary are doing the whole Thanos thing and trying to find all the stones

[earnest jungle]

If they could afford it soldiers would purchase dog tags from vendors who would follow armies to offer goods and services

Others would make their own dog tags from old coins or bits of scrap metal they could scrounge.

[real cedar]

I'm going through a bunch of the Crytek artist's Artstations and I've got another real nice find.
On Halloween the Murmurstone was properly revealed. Before we could only see parts of it in the Butcher Cleaver's wallpaper as well as the concept art in the Tide of Corruption story background.

I wonder if we'll ever get to see the full HelioStone?

[lucid anvil]

Ooh, I like the look of that

[real cedar]

It really does look like something The Sculptor would make, right?

[lucid anvil]

It’s got the themes, for sure. It’s got The sorta wasp/hornet paper hive type thing going on

[spiral mica]

Port Sulphur also used it as cover art for their song "Drowning water."

It's not that I don't like the Heliostone and it does look like something the Sculptor would make–it's just that it could've been implemented waaay better than a celebrity collaboration, some clowns and a circus.

[earnest jungle]

This is not at all what I imagined when the stone was described as an insect fossil

[high stone]

There it is! Which artist did that? It really looks like a person’s head with paper wasp nest on it…

[high stone]

Right, i already forgot about that

[high stone]

Ah, got it, Ian van der Mijn

[fickle sluice]

Yeah, I am quite confused. This looks nothing like a fossilized insect to me.

[real cedar]

It's head-like, maybe a paper fossil, maybe a pupa birthed from the first insect to tread on land.

Seems like that fits well enough

Though the ear makes it more than head-like, maybe Cardinal Rain just didn't see that side of it

[lucid anvil]

For some reason I always imagined it as a giant frog-thing

Genuinely couldn’t tell you why though.

[fickle sluice]

Fair enough, I forgot about that part. Somehow that insect thing was all I had left in my memory. Sure looks icky

[orchid tangle]

ngl in my head I really just imagined a straight up normal rock

because I really liked the idea of a bunch of crazy nerds praising a simple rock you could find in an alleyway

[real dove]

I thought of it as like, a trilobite fossil

[earnest jungle]

Honestly same

[granite shard]

honestly I don't think I ever pictured it as anything but that head thing bc I figured the art of the head in the bg of tide of corruption was meant to be the talkrock lol

[earnest jungle]

Also I owe RachtaZ an apology

[noble scarab]

I was picturing something like a ossified praying mantis head

[earnest jungle]

It was Vombuz who made the tweet I was thinking of not him

https://x.com/vombuz/status/1860772682784026878?s=46&t=zC9Tb8v5tufbP2PHKXyeWw

Vombuz (@vombuz) on X

@HuntShowdown Circus was teased during Desolation's wake Chapter Fifteen🎪Everyone is lore expert when they complain about DLC cosmetics, bet they didn't see this one comming!

Twitter · Nov 24, 2024, 7:49 PM

I got the two mixed up in my head because their names both end in Z and for that I apologize

[icy brook]

7 d lore drop

We’re in the endgame now

[spiral mica]

I figured because of all the visual representation of that face during Tide of corruption that it was supposed to be the Murmurstone. Plus, in the event story for Tide of corruption the Butcher's cleaver talks about pulling the Murmurblade from it's mouth. I think the confusion stems from the fact that they referred to it as being some kind of fossilized artifact when it actually looks like a human head wrapped in wasp hive husk.

[crimson dock]

any silverspur lore beyond what is in his dlc?

[spiral mica]

Not particularly. All we've really got on him is whats in his skin descriptions and on the steam page.

[real cedar]

Promo images and wallpapers aren't exactly real lore but there is an image of Hex Breaker and Silver Spur hanging out together and getting bombed.

[earnest jungle]

Canon

[spiral mica]

wait is that Canon fr?

[earnest jungle]

It is if you let it be

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-good-for-them-beckett-mariner-brad-boimler-star-trek-lower-decks-hapy-for-them-gif-2624179561775852989

[earnest jungle]

Ah if I had a nickle for ever mlm cowboy slowly dying of Tuberculosis... I'd have two nickles

Which isn't a lot but it's nice that it's happened twice

[spiral mica]

What's the second one?

I only know of 3 with Tuberculosis but technically Doc Holliday was a Dentist, gambler and Lawman and Arthur Morgan was a gang member.

And Silver spur is a bounty hunter so none of them are really Cowboys in the literal sense.

[noble scarab]

Did any of the guys in broke back mountain have TB?

[spiral mica]

I don't know I've never seen that film

[earnest jungle]

I was talking about Arthur Morgan and Silver spur

[spiral mica]

Y'know it's a bit sad how all these recently released hunters won't get any additional character development beyond what their descriptions say. Pretty much every hunter released from Scorched Earth and onward is only known about through the descriptions. Occasionally when new content is released we'll still get little tidbits of information through new item descriptions but I'm more so talking about character development through event stories and the compendium. Plus, it doesn't help that certain weapon descriptions are lost to us if you don't own the item and how descriptions of hunters you already own are unreadable.

It really stings when you take a minute to realize just how much was siphoned out of this game.

[earnest jungle]

That's why we got to put pressure on Crytek to hire back the writers

[spiral mica]

Oh I'm sure the dwindling player count and the constant complaints are starting to gain their attention

We can only hope that it'll yield some kind of big change in direction

[neon magnet]

I hope we see more Native American characters.

[spiral mica]

It'd be really cool if they would bring back previous event content either through promotional means on the store like they do with the holiday stuff or refeaturing the previous event content as skins in future battle passes. (i.e As The Crow Flies, Light the Shadow, Traitor's Moon)

[tired spear]

they won't

they statuted several times now that it will never happen

heck they even made "mythic" a thing just to make sure everyone knows which skin is never returning

[spiral mica]

Yeah, hence why I said "It'd be really cool." I know very well they wouldn't do something like that.

[earnest jungle]

They could also just give us new skins

[spiral mica]

That's a nice thought but if we're just going to get more bejeweled and gilded guns with the initials of celebrities stamped on them, I'd much rather prefer the idea of revisiting older skins.

[earnest jungle]

Maybe they'll do Royal Phantom style variants

[spiral mica]

I'm still waiting for all the Desert Rose stuff to be featured

Somebody by the name of BigSilver made a relatively detailed and very agreeable post in game ideas about the incorporation of more normal looking skins. It currently has 53 upvotes and only 1 downvote.

[noble scarab]

Average hunt showdown enjoyer

[spiral mica]

Hope he finds his way in here so he can discover the pinned Compendium

[noble scarab]

somone was kind enough to link the blog posts and wiki, so they might eventually make it

[spiral mica]

☝️ this is what we call hope 🙏

[proud vale]

If there were a new game what era should it be in? I thought the late 1920s early 1930s would be a good idea

[spiral mica]

Earlier than 1920s but later than 1890s. I think the brutal and harsh environment that was Trench warfare in the 1910s would make an excellent setting for a Hunt-esque game.

[noble scarab]

The horrors of ww1 Europe, combine active trench warfare with an active “incursion”

[proud vale]

Prohibition era makes more sense to me

[empty basin]

Find out the fighting "russian zombies" of WW1 weren't made by German gas but corruption instead

[spiral mica]

Yeah there's just so much they could do with a WW1 setting

Preferably an earlier setting rather than later as to avoid weapons like the MP18. That's also my major issue with a game set in the Prohibition era because then you've got weapons like the M1918 BAR and M1 Thompson submachine gun. At that point the whole identity of Hunt would be flipped on it's head.

[empty basin]

That's really the only reason I don't really want to go far into the 1900s, it keeps the guns realistic and unique, as well as for the gameplay reasons.

[spiral mica]

any year before 1916-18 would be a good setting for Hunt because modern warfare is still mostly in it's infancy by that point.

[empty basin]

I mean come on dolce is bad but running around with Tommy guns and cut down BAR is too far for me

[spiral mica]

weapons like the Dolch, Cyclone and Avtomat are already extremely aggressive so anything beyond that would be overkill for sure.

[empty basin]

And I don't mind dolce, I'm just saying

Yeah that's what makes them special, the rarity of that kind of tech for the time and to achieve it you have to have cyclone or alamo contraptions

[spiral mica]

Dolch is period accurate but also really advanced for what it is. It also wouldn't be so widespread in the year 1896. Although, past the 1900s it would see a wider production rate.

[empty basin]

I mean the exact years isn't important for me, I don't mind when they fib on a few years in an altered timeline setting, but I just think what makes Hunt unique is setting and the gameplay you get by having to use period correct weapons and so changing the setting will change the gameplay into something much less unique. Especially if it doesn't have great lore to carry some weight...

[granite shard]

she's cool as hell I can't wait to learn more abt her

I need to draw her buying something and pulling the money out of her mask to pay for it lmao

[real cedar]

The outfit looks pretty good but there's something off about the mask, idk what it is.

[noble scarab]

Oh look the discord and sub are neglected again

[real cedar]

There's been quite a few posts today, ye. Twitch drops is coming too

[granite shard]

The mask is a little silly but I like her a lot

This is another promo image of her

[noble scarab]

Didn’t they announce a different hunter? The one with the lion gun

[real dove]

diff things

[granite shard]

An upcoming DLC

[real dove]

shes not the incoming DLC

[granite shard]

She’s either blood bond or a mini event

[real cedar]

Presumably the Last Laugh DLC has a Hunter in it but it may just be an arsenal like Wolf At The Door or Azure Arsenal

[granite shard]

I’m guessing she comes w a chu no ku skin

I think the other day I mentioned wanting another lunar new year skin, so this is cool to see

Nice snake theming with her too

[real cedar]

Poor Annie Oakley though 😂 the Chinese new year hunter came before she got dropped, and the DLC might be released before her too

[granite shard]

God yeah that’s entirely likely

[earnest jungle]

😍 God she looks so pretty 🤩

I think I have a new lesbian crush in Hunt Showdown

Please beautiful masked woman stab me please

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

Has crytek considered going the league of legends way and adding fan service skins?

[granite shard]

🙅‍♀️🙅‍♀️🙅‍♀️

I’ve had enough of that with marvel rivals

[earnest jungle]

Has Crytek considered going the league of legends way and having Netflix make them a hot but controversial two season show focusing on two of their lesbian Hunters?

[noble scarab]

They did try to make a show, but we saw how that turned out

Also rito robbed us of Warwick

[granite shard]

I WAS SO MAD THST HE LOOKED LIKE THAT DUDE

[noble scarab]

I can’t forgive them from what they did to him

[granite shard]

He was also just a total waste of time in act 3

[noble scarab]

Vander was so good in season 1 and he made ww all the more tragic

But no

[granite shard]

I just really really really like silco

[earnest jungle]

I haven't seen Arcane but I get the feeling that Seaons two really should have been two seasons

just like based on what everyone says

and also there was some kind of internal beef on whether or not the show was going to be pro or anti-police brutality?

[granite shard]

It was more that they just didn’t think about that stuff and it was meant more to be a backdrop to the story they actually wanted to tell

[noble scarab]

I mean Vi is policy brutality incarnate

At least in game

[icy brook]

I feel as though her mask is a Tlingit postcontact armor reference

[earnest jungle]

Huh wonder if she Chinese-Tlingit

One parent immigrated to Canada and fell in love with a Tlingit one or both of whom were hunters

Or perhaps a Tlingit or Haida pirate ship got really really lost in a storm.

[orchid tangle]

this dude gets announced 5 days before her release

annie is still in the void

crytek did that just to fuck with people

[granite shard]

I wonder if there’s an issue w her that’s keeping her held back

[real dove]

when did we get pappy?

i remember thinking he was added like, suuuuuuuuuuper late

[granite shard]

Yeah near the end

She was featured more prominently in the initial promo which is what feels strange

[orchid tangle]

yeah I never really thought pappy would be a hunter

I thought he was just a random storyteller character

[noble scarab]

We’re missing a revolver skin too

Maybe more

I think we still never saw a set of bear traps from one promo or another, but maybe those became what was with skull taker

[granite shard]

They were w the skull taker yeah

[orchid tangle]

I'm guessing that pax skin will come out with the lion thing

[spiral mica]

new dlc vibes

Also I don't notice any markings or stamps on the coinage but I'm going to assume they're at least from the beginning of the Qin dynasty when that model of coin was popularized in China.

[real cedar]

They're cash coins, part of the new year traditions along with the red string

[spiral mica]

Also something strange I've noticed is that you can actually open the skin menu under equipment options for the Chu Ko Nu even though it has no skins. I'd say it's probably a guarantee that she'll get a Chu Ko Nu skin.

[bleak robin]

My weapon skins and other skins are not saving, is there an option that I can or must activate?

[spiral mica]

No, according to my knowledge there shouldn't be any special option that you have to enable to maintain your choice of skin and they should stay equipped after selecting them. I've been experiencing this same issue since October and I've asked about it on 3 separate occasions in game-questions and haven't gotten a response. So either nobody knows what's causing it exactly or people are just simply ignoring the question. Either way, I would guess it's caused by some sort of UI bug.

[earnest jungle]

They should kiss

[spiral mica]

"pirate" would leave a bad taste in her mouth

I wouldn't remove my mask for a kiss from her that's for sure.

[spiral mica]

I noticed in the promotional art that smalls sent of Zhuge Liu she can be seen with a Chu Ko Nu skin. It's hard to tell but to me it looks very Azure Arsenal.

[granite shard]

Yeah no doubt she’s getting one— apparently zhuge liang was associated with them and her name sounds like a reference to him

[spiral mica]

I wouldn't mind all her stuff being Azure Arsenal. I'm fine with them reusing textures that are actually good looking.

[analog pendant]

Did we ever learn what a figure like Mr Chary looks like? I always figured him being classically devil in human form, Yk like stache with soul patch, sharp facial features, jet black hair, sharply dressed, maybe a ring or pocket watch, the works lol

[granite shard]

nothing too specific, he has long nails and teashade glasses

[noble scarab]

We see him in a part of a devils moon trailer i think

Just a silhouette of a guy in a long coat

[earnest jungle]

I think you might be thinking of a different trailer cause I don’t remember that

And I’ve been looking

On a side note it appears both Ishim Gird and Mary Burges were both apart of Lunar

Mary Burgess makes sense but honestly Ishim surprised me

It also interesting that Black Coat (far back left) went from Grounded in Devil’s Moon to Infernal in Tide of Corruption

Makes me wonder: was he always a member of the Infernals and was merely spying on the Grounded for Chary? Or did he decide to switch allegiances cause Chary very soundly defeated the Lunar Pact.

Or maybe Chary just paid better who knows

[earnest jungle]

https://youtu.be/9Stq9APzWPA?si=Xc1Iqflvlg3Mjtmf

Is this what you were thinking of perchance?

I wish they’d do more stuff like this

[spiral mica]

Yeah I remember now

Tbh Statesman is what I always assumed Chary would look like but now I'm not so sure. Chary is a character that I think has changed a lot, even switching voice actors at one point.

[noble scarab]

https://youtu.be/KoL1GTcRvvg?si=E6053TaY_uVREL-J this is the one

[lapis parrot]

I like like to think that after each contract is done in a hunting ground (desale stillwater lawson and mammon gulch) there are a team of “cleaners” and undertakes elliminating the last monsters and gathering the boddies of killed hunters and bury them

[spiral mica]

I think it'd be a really cool idea to see something like this as a result of losing a hunter in a defeated match but I also think it'd be pretty rare to see a hunter getting a proper burial in the lore. Also, only people that avoid contact with the corrupted or the naturally immune and inoculated would be allowed to tread the incursion zones and any group of cleaners would also have to have a significant amount of members to cover all the locations within a 1x1 km and I don't think the AHA or anyone else is just handing out inoculations to just anyone let alone a group of cleaners wanting to take on the task of killing monsters and gathering the corpses of fallen hunters.

[lapis parrot]

The A.H.A has many doctor they could have synthesized the innoculation

[earnest jungle]

The inoculations require a human sacrifice to make

[lapis parrot]

Remember the A.H.A is bassed at a asylum

And who is gonna miss some inmates

[spiral mica]

Is it mentioned anywhere if a throwing spear skin was planned for the Bloody Red bundle?

[granite shard]

I've never really seen it mentioned anywhere officially. I feel like that spear has to be coming out at some point

maybe something with it was bugged and they held it back?

[spiral mica]

Maybe, at first glance I thought it was a bomb lance but I was like "wait that's too thin to be a bomb lance, that's actually a throwing spear skin!"

[ember halo]

An actual good spear skin

[granite shard]

the one that launched w the spear is so good tho

[spiral mica]

I've always felt like it was weird that we've only gotten one throwing spear skin since it's release 6 months ago. I also feel like the Viking hunters bundle and Skulltaker were the perfect kind of hunters to incorporate some kind of throwing spear skin.

[earnest jungle]

Ironically The East Louisiana State Hospital was relatively humane as far as mental health clinics go; one of the few that didn't practice eugenics.

[earnest jungle]

Also not everyone who works at the East Louisiana State Hospital is a member of the AHA plenty of people would notice patients disappearing and in fact notice patients turning up missing.

There's a reason the AHA conducted it's Ego Death Experiments in say Pelican Island Prison and not in the Hospital.

Pluss at least one Doctor: Doctor Lemonier did notice something was up with one of his patients William Salter and had to be permanently silenced when he started snooping around.

Now you can sort of homebrew an inoculation but it requires you to cut the heart out of a dead hunter who has already been inoculated to do so. So either way there's no way to create the Innoculation that doesn't involve murder.

And as the trial of Avis Wyndham Jr demonstrates not even hunters can be killed without someone missing them.

Besides you don't need specialized Hunters to act as cleaners when the Hunters themselves and just random civilians who wander into deadzones can do it themselves.

[lapis parrot]

Huh i just realized it

[granite shard]

Hey man, you really should perhaps think about other things to discuss here now

[spiral mica]

Is this what people refer to as beating a dead horse?

I think it is!

[earnest jungle]

Just block em

[spiral mica]

He's not really breaking any rules that I know of he's just being annoying with the repeated question. Although I recall a mod asking him to stop the last time so we'll see what happens.

[earnest jungle]

No I mean like on a personal level

I've plenty of people on here blocked because I find them annoying

I block for any reason and no reason

It's all vibes based; if you annoy me I block

[spiral mica]

I don't really like to block people personally unless they're really being a problem to me directly.

and usually if someone is harassing me directly a moderator response is likely to happen.

[earnest jungle]

Eh this isn't blue sky blocking and unblocking is as easy as pie and needn't be permanently

[spiral mica]

Yeah but usually when I block someone I don't intend to unblock them. Ever.

[high stone]

I had thought this too, but I can’t remember why…where does it talk about that? Also, does it say “Ego Death Experiments?”

[real cedar]

The Filed Under Lynch stories from the Pax masteries. She sacrifices a person to summon and trap a god/demon/spirit/entity then wring it for all its juices, and the Modern Researcher suggests in a footnote that the sacrifice is likely made every time they need a batch of the inoculation.
The Ego Death experiments was the Pelican Island Prison storyline.

[fickle sluice]

In the devil's moon story, chapter 6, there's mention of someone who goes around and collects, refurbishes and sells the names of dead hunters.

[Sighs] Unsurprisingly, Hunters once again gave into their greed, and now I have four hundred thirty-seven new names on my ledger. Business is booming. After all, they have no use of the name they had been called before.
Maybe I read alot into it, but to me that was the explanation why we always had Hunters with recurring names in classic Hunt's recruitment screen.

[granite shard]

wish he didn't have the clown makeup, but his design otherwise is pretty cool

the hyena's a nice touch for the whole "last laugh" theme since the whole yeen thing is laughing and whatnot

yeah, deffo a yeen pelt since his name the hyena

hopefully this is the last of the clown/circus skins we get for the neat future lol

[real dove]

I think it's not super obvious

the paint

He's cool imo

also

on fire lion?

can we get that as an AI

he doesnt like PM

[granite shard]

he's cool, really don't like that post malone is baked into DLC descriptions now tho

[real dove]

i mean, he's a hunter and this guy was part of the circus and :/

[granite shard]

idk, again, I think this is the last of it for this so like

whatever at least we're moving past it soon

[real dove]

we still have annie

tho she wont have the dlc blurb

[granite shard]

yeah

and she doesn't look circus-y

[real dove]

so maybe no ties to PM

tru

[granite shard]

either way, I like the sort of tragedy of a dude having to put down his beloved pet

[real dove]

yeah

he's got a good story with him

[granite shard]

hopefully not all of the DLC descriptions from here foward are this short tho

I feel like they had started getting longer for a bit there

[orchid tangle]

fuckkkk it is clown makeup, I saw from a glance on my phone and thought he was a badass native

[real dove]

same, i thought he was a native too

[lucid anvil]

I just can’t take anything serious anymore when it’s talking about post Malone as an actual important character

[real dove]

🙃

[granite shard]

I wish that they'd just refer to him as his hunter name the ringmaster/desposed king

I know why they don't, but I wish that they would

[lucid anvil]

Yeah. At least then you could pretend it’s someone else

If you squint a bit and tilt your head

But nah lol
Just straight up modern rapper

Blegh… also, am I wrong or does he have the joker scars where his mouth is?

[real dove]

it looks like paint

[lucid anvil]

Think he does right? And under his eyes?

[lucid anvil]

Really? Looks like scars to me. Could be wrong!

[granite shard]

yeah I think it's paint

[real dove]

will find out when he drops and i can nyoom in on his face

[granite shard]

everything looks like partially rubbed off clown makeup to me

[lucid anvil]

Well, we will see :)

Not a fan of most of the recent hunters tbh

This guy is cool, but I don’t like his face. Other than the face, nice skin

[real dove]

skulltaker is cool

i will fight for my skull boy

[lucid anvil]

Oh yeah, skulltaker is great- forgot about him lol

[real dove]

D:

[lucid anvil]

He’s pre murder circus though isn’t he?

[granite shard]

I like zhuge lie a lot

I think her mask is a little silly but she looks dope

[mint wind]

The lore reading was good, but that is still a no.

It's worse when before it's always the Ringmaster only.

[noble scarab]

I feel like the writing on the dlc and weapon descriptions is way off. Also they just copied the skull taker lore to a point?

Also these skins are fugly

[high stone]

….I think that’s a whole hyena carcass..

[granite shard]

Yeah it is lol

[high stone]

Jeez, he’s committed

[spiral mica]

I honestly can't tell what they were going for this time. The whole circus beast tamer theme is relatively obvious, but other than that I don't understand the whole Hyena stuff. Circus's had lions, tigers and even bears but Hyenas? Also, is he supposed to be native American because I'm getting some native American vibes from him with the necklace, haircut and face paint.

[granite shard]

I think breaking from stereotypes is pretty fine

Honestly a hyena theme is cool since their whole thing is laughing

So it’s clever theming for a circus

[spiral mica]

With any luck this will be the last of the circus slop and we can get back to a genuine theme for the game.

[noble scarab]

We still need Annie

Granted she’s only circus adjacent

[spiral mica]

That Annie Oakley hunter is looking like she'll be the bringer of light as it were. She'll put an end to the circus and it's funny because we see her shooting Chum and Winky in the trailer.

[high stone]

Doesn’t seem Native, it’s just a tooth/claw trophy necklace from Hunting. Clown makeup from performing? I hope this wasn’t supposed to be a wink at that Kraven the Hunter movie that came out…..

[granite shard]

I doubt it, I think he’s just meant to be a wild guy

[noble scarab]

Posts ringmaster variant fits the “lion tamer” vibe more than this guy tbh

[spiral mica]

It's definitely a likelihood that he isn't native but his theme just feels all over the place. I'm not exactly a fan of him but as far as the rest of the circus related hunters go he's hardly the worst.

[high stone]

That’s the current pinterest board/AI pastiche feel of the current Hunter skins 🫠 …those ammo pouches look suspiciously like a post 1920s design

[spiral mica]

Not for much longer I hope

Annie Oakley will save us all

[noble scarab]

I don’t understand the marketing behind waiting till the event is almost done to release something that was teased before the event

[high stone]

Didn’t they just tease another christmas themed skin? The mop headed person with the burlap mask

[granite shard]

she's been in game

or do you mean that they only just posted about her recently?

[spiral mica]

Yeah there's an image of her on the roster so she's already in the game

[high stone]

When did she come out? I missed it, I just saw her for the first time like 2 days ago

[spiral mica]

They just have yet to release her to the players

[granite shard]

bag lady? I'm pretty sure you can buy her

wasn't there a bundle with her

[spiral mica]

Yeah there was I thought you guys were still talking about Annie

Yeah that hunter you guys are talking about is named thorn wreath and she's part of a bundle that came with a krag, winfield swift, large vitality shot and large regen shot skin.

[high stone]

Oh ok, did she at least make it out around xmas?

[granite shard]

yeah she weas out at the launch of the event

[high stone]

Ok, good

Fooled me, i thought it was another late skin

[granite shard]

I think she had some marketing buzz around then too

but yeah it's just annie oakley that we're missing for now. I think bc she's an anticipated skin they want people to tune in at the end of the event

that'd be my guess at least, I know overwatch will show off skins in the season previews that don't get released until midseason or later

[spiral mica]

Tbh I didn't see any marketing around her I just noticed her bundle in game one day.

She's a good skin too and her bundle has some really nice skins. It's basically similar to the Skinflint and Devil's advocate bundles that they have in game now too.

Also I think the game has more Christmas themed hunters than any other group of hunter.

[mint wind]

She might be the Sand Rose that goes with all the bornheims, perhaps.

[spiral mica]

That's Annie Oakley, they're calling her Desert Rose according to all the Bornheim skins and both stamina shot skins in this battle pass.

I'm assuming once she drops she'll also come out with some more weapon skins of her own like a Maynard sniper skin which we have yet to recieve.

[tired spear]

Le cirque mortel

[mint wind]

The name isn't too bad.

[orchid tangle]

he looks very native

and I wish he was

[granite shard]

tbh I'm kinda glad he's not indigenous because a lot of the indigenous hunters have been stereotypical in a few ways, and he would have hit a few of those stereotypes

I do want more indigenous hunters tho

[spiral mica]

I'm fine with the indigenous hunters we have but it's understandable why they'd want to break away from doing anymore if they're unable to represent it properly.

[icy brook]

Teche Wraith and Third Son are pretty decent designs, I’d like to see more western peoples represented now that we have a Colorado map

[earnest jungle]

I think I just realized something

Adélaïde Dessalines might be a trans character

Cause like the name Adélaïde is a girls name

but they say in the interview "Et maintenant ma petite sœur est sans mère, père, ou frère" and then refuse to translate

Translated into english she says "And now my little sister is without a mother, father, or brother." Which could mean a couple things:

• it could mean that Adélaïde and their sister had a brother that is otherwise unmentioned
• Adélaïde themself might be the "brother" which in turn could mean
  • Adélaïde is a trans man
  • Adélaïde is a trans woman

[real cedar]

That's a pretty big stretch based on a single word, if they wanted to do something like that they'd support it with a lot stronger points

[spiral mica]

Also, wouldn't that translation simply imply that Adélaïde and her sister have a brother that just isn't mentioned by name in the interview?

[earnest jungle]

It wouldn't exactly be out of step with their other big trans character Gar whose trans ness is barely even implied anywhere

[high stone]

I would say he does not. It’s hard to tell the skin color with that lighting and face paint, and that’s probably the only telling detail…although Reddit seems to think he looks like “It” and also “The Crow (2024)”, so maybe we’re just talking about an overall crisis of poor media comprehension

[earnest jungle]

Viper is really the only trans character that had any explicit unambigious representation of their identity and that was in a event chapter of serpent moon

But yes it is a stretch which is why I began with the alternative you suggested

[spiral mica]

According to my knowledge Viper is actually non-binary and I don't recall any indication that Gar was trans. I'm going to agree with Rai on this and say that if they did have any intention of doing something like that they would definitely draw more attention to it without providing evidence to suggest otherwise.

[real cedar]

Was Gar part of the list from that one dev stream?

[earnest jungle]

Non-Binary indentities are included under the Trans umbrella

[spiral mica]

Not that I recall, no. I don't remember any mention of something like that in the event story either.

[spiral mica]

True, but again, there's no indication that Viper was female to male only that they go by they/them pronouns.

[noble scarab]

cryteks marketing worked, i just had someone admit that post malone being added them actually made them join

[spiral mica]

I've had people admit that they try the game because of something like Post Malone but whether or not they stick around for the long run is to be determined. From my experiences with the game it's maintaining players that Crytek struggles with the most.

[granite shard]

gar was after that stream happened, I've been told by some people that the intent with the gar was for her to be trans, but it's not really been made clear one way or the other if that intent made it past the ideation stage with her character creation

[granite shard]

using they/them pronouns is a form of being trans. FtM or MtF are binary trans identities, whereas agender (their gender identity) is a non-binary trans identity

it doesn't really matter what gender they were assigned at birth or how they present, they're under the trans umbrella

does that make sense? I think it can be hard to understand sometimes to people outside the community

[native marlin]

id describe it like this, being trans just means youre not your assigned gender at birth, was the viper born with they/them pronouns and not called a man or woman? no? then theyre trans

[spiral mica]

Yeah, and that all might be true, but I've also met people that go by they/them pronouns and identify as Non-binary but don't make it apparent that they're actually trans. So I guess my question is if using they/them pronouns is always a form of being transgender or if there are exceptions?

[native marlin]

no, pronouns do not equal gender inherrently, and sometimes being trans is more of an up to you think, like intersex people, theyre kinda welcome to idnetify as trans, or not, it can be complicated

like for instance someone may be fully cis, but use different pronouns for a form of gender expression, IE: a a cis woman, who is a lesbian, who uses he/him pronouns, hes not a guy, but he is gender non-conforming, still cis though

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I was under the assumption that going by they/them was sometimes just a personal identity thing for people not that it necessarily meant they were transgender.

[native marlin]

it can be 100%

but also if theyre non-binary, or some other identity, they may be transgender

case by case basis kinda

[spiral mica]

I've also seen people go by he/they or she/they meaning they're comfortable with at least two sets of pronoun identification.

[granite shard]

More often than not if someone uses they/them pronouns they’re outside of the gender binary to some extent

[native marlin]

100% people can use many pronouns, some even use any pronouns

and ^

to some degree, might be nonbinary, might be GNC, might be something else, lots of iptions

[noble scarab]

GNC?

gender non-conforming?

[earnest jungle]

Correct

[real cedar]

Here's Zhuge Liu and her bundle's lore

And here's the three charms that were added in addition. Go grab the Gift of Peace charm, it's free!

[real cedar]

Oh shit there's a whole illustrated lore video for Zhuge Liu on bilibili
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1wHftYzEhq

[lucid anvil]

I like the look of that skin

[topaz mirage]

I’m have a theory about hunt showdown lord

Lore

Who wants to hear it?

[lucid anvil]

Let me guess: aliens? Yeah, we’ve all heard it lol

Like 5 times

[granite shard]

YESSS SHE’S A CULTIVATOR. I’VE BEEN WANTING A CULTIVATOR

Love that video that’s so awesome

[real dove]

ooooooooooooooo that vid is dope

[granite shard]

Also I think it’s likely the letter she got was likely Kevin’s

New older sister for my son

[noble scarab]

Our boy kev still putting in work

[granite shard]

Also I think she’s now our second youngest hunter? She’s only 19

The kid’s in his early twenties (per a writer I asked)

Tho I think the scaled ward and lonely howl also might be around 18-20

[topaz mirage]

They believe I am trolling, however I disagree. Unfortunately I am completely beholden to them, as this is their discord

So I will behave

But if anyone would like to talk about the aforementioned 👽 ‘s in private dm’s, I’ll be open to this…

[real dove]

If you have an actual point to make, we are open to discussing it. However, historically you've not made a point

[spiral mica]

It's kind of interesting how Zhuge Liu's description, as well as the description of her Chu Ko Nu and the Gift of Peace charm all make mention of the incursions. Yet, the word incursion isn't capitalized in the Chu Ko Nu description.

The horrors she now faces in the mountains and the Bayou are unknown to her but whatever she had faced against back home is familiar to her.

I forget but it was either the Exiled or Wayfinder from the Light the Shadow event who essentially experienced an incursion before the 1893 incursion.

[noble scarab]

In America there were 2, one got removed, I want to say it was the wayfinder that had one in the cascades

The other one was in NY

Previous Asian hunters mention fighting Nian

[spiral mica]

Yeah, it was either the Wayfinder or Exile that got retconned because the Cascades representation wasn't historically accurate. As far as I know the New York incident is still Canon and obviously so are the Colorado and Louisiana incidents. Technically that would be 4 incursions within North America, 3 of which are Canon.

[granite shard]

there's also the stuff chary learned about with the talkrock

the sculptor's been around doing shit for ages

[earnest jungle]

I think it was because the devs didn't realize the Cascade Mountains were a real place

[granite shard]

I believe it's that they knew it was a real place, but realized later that the dress of the wayfarer wasn't accurate to the peoples that lived there

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the exact reason behind the change.

Although, I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that they didn't realize that the Cascades were actually a real place and if that is the case it wouldn't be the first time they got American geography incorrect.

[icy brook]

European mind truly cannot comprehend the 160 acre plot

[high stone]

Man, this game….

[real cedar]

It feels kinda like Post Malone where there's some third party in China that thought it'd be great for a cultivator character to get put in and put money towards it so Crytek contacted an artist and VA to make it happen.
Chances are they don't upload that PV to the youtube channel so hardly anyone gets to learn about it. The most secret esoteric lore

That whole channel is pretty funny, the other strange videos that get made. Lots of classic Machinima style sketch comedy

[granite shard]

I feel like this at least lines up with the existing Chinese hunters we have

[real cedar]

The design yeah, the illustrated lore video is the part that feels outside of what Crytek does usually

[granite shard]

I wouldn’t mind that sort of video more often tho tbh, but I’m also just a fan of the arts lol

I wish she had a skin variant wearing the robes she was shown in towards the end

I’m a little biased I think tho, I’ve been wanting a cultivator hunter for awhile lmao

I just think cultivators are cool and would be something interesting to explore in the context of hunt’s world

[spiral mica]

I'm just glad the video includes enjoyable lore about the new character

And I know I've already made one For honor comparison to the new hunter but watching that animated lore video felt exactly like something Ubisoft would do for a new hero release.

Honestly it almost looks like a familiar animatior possibly

[zenith perch]

ive taken a long break from the game

how is it doing

[real cedar]

Lore's dead and Ghostface is killing clowns alongside Post Malone and Harley Quinn

[zenith perch]

how about gameplay wise

[real cedar]

Ohh you were only gone a month or so, my bad 😅
Shredder got hard nerfed and nobody uses it anymore, Blademancer got nerfed but melee pullout damage was collateral damage, and Bounty Clash no longer has special infected in the compounds, that's about it.

[zenith perch]

aight, im still salty abount the spencer buff

[spiral mica]

specter kind of needed a buff it couldn't compete with slate otherwise

[zenith perch]

my poor whinchester 1893

[spiral mica]

the poor specter bayonet was left unchanged

[zenith perch]

it has a huge cycle time now

what you mean

[real cedar]

Was it? the stats on the page changed

[spiral mica]

did they? I'll have to check again to make sure from my understanding the specter bayonet was still not great

[zenith perch]

it has the cycle time buff

[spiral mica]

also the cyclone received a buff to recoil, it now has a recoil of 3 same as rifles like the krag.

[real cedar]

The specter bayonet is still not great cause it's a lower degree of barrel length iirc

medium rather than long

[zenith perch]

idk, i just dont like a lot of the balance changes anymore

they took away the uppercut prescison ammo buff

my favorite gun

[spiral mica]

yeah uppercut got gutted really bad

[zenith perch]

like they make good changes then a few months later make horrible changes

why do game devs do dis

[spiral mica]

well to give them the benefit of the doubt Hunt is their only live service game

Before I started playing Hunt I played For honor and Siege and it was the same thing

some changes were great and others were really bad and that's just how these sort of things go I guess

[zenith perch]

gets exhausting after awhile

[rotund ferry]

I had something dark for a boss fight

Not going to happen sadly won’t make sense

[rotund ferry]

I have the title of the boss and what it does just need to think of what it can look like

[earnest jungle]

Okay what’s the title?

[empty basin]

And how does it fit into the lore?

[real dove]

we have lore?

[icy brook]

Lore machine broke

[rotund ferry]

Herald of the scoulter

[rotund ferry]

Like the name could technically fit but maybe not

[earnest jungle]

No no. I Ike it. it fits lets

Maybe like one of the human cultists who worship the Sculptor finally succeeds in undergoing apotheosis and is transformed into a monster.

I imagine something that’s like 1/3rd angel, 1/3 human, 1/3 twisted insect monsters

Something like Safer Sepheroth from Final Fantasy VII but with cicada wings and other insect parts.

Like a dark parody of an angel

[spiral mica]

Isn't that what happens to Beekeeper in tide of desolation?

[earnest jungle]

No

Given she shows up Scorched Earth and Hyali does not describe her as some kind of demonic abomination

[spiral mica]

Has it actually been confirmed that the Beekeeper is the same Bee that was mentioned in Scorched Earth?

I thought that was still unresolved.

[earnest jungle]

Who else would Bee and Pig be?

Like we know they're members of the Demented and we know in some way they have been branded failiures and exiled

[granite shard]

well, butcher's cleaver was eaten alive by beetles so that's a point for the "potentially someone else" category

we'll never know tho

[earnest jungle]

And black coat was hacked to pieces and burned

[granite shard]

That’s in a fictionalized story

[earnest jungle]

The Rat was blown up and had her soul turned inside out

The Kid had his face blown off with a shotgun

The Cpatian was shot in the eye by Chary

[granite shard]

And we also saw how they were able to come back using specific magic

[earnest jungle]

Death is not exactly permanent

And it feels reasonbale to assume that if the living can cross into the land of the dead through the graven path perhaps the dead can cross over into the land of the living

[granite shard]

We didn’t see that happening with anyone though

Quite explicitly the only people who died and came back were able to do so were by lynch using the power of the murmurstone getting fucked up

My point is that the writers likely had a direction they were going with this that we’ll never see, as the same people who wrote BC’s death also wrote hayali referring to two people as bee and pig

We don’t know for certain if they were the same people or not

[earnest jungle]

All I'm saying is that Tide of Desolation creates a window in time when it's reasonable to assume that if we see a character who was dead before tide of Desolation it's not necessarily a plot hole that we see them alive again after Tide of Desolation

[granite shard]

But we don’t see any other dead hunters coming back to that extent

Like I’m not saying it’s a plot hole I’m saying that there was a direction the writers were going and it’s possible they weren’t the same people

But right now, we have fairly established rules of how people fully came back and butcher’s cleaver doesn’t match that

[earnest jungle]

And I think they are intended to be the Butcher's Cleaver and the Beekeeper because why wouldn't they give them actual names or describe them if they're not meant to be the same character. Why not use different nicknames than the two animals associated with the two known Demented who had become outcasts within their own cult.

[spiral mica]

I really don't know. It's definitely a possibility that they somehow returned to life but as smalls said, we'll probably never know unfortunately.

There's also the question of how accurate the game itself translates to the lore because if things like cheat death are part of the established narrative like how in the tidal trilogy you had traits like remedy, instinct and shadow leap mentioned in the event stories that could help explain why Cleaver and Beekeeper are possibly alive and well in Scorched Earth as Bee and Pig.

[granite shard]

yeah, they got rid of it with the engine update. some of it is available on the website now

https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore

[spiral mica]

In addition to the website, check this channel's pinned messages for Rai's compendium.

[sinful bloom]

@real cedar I summon thee for answers which i hope theee have

what happened to the demented pact after tides of corruption or if anyone else know

[earnest jungle]

After the Butcher's Cleaver lost the Murmmur Stone the Cowl took control of the Demented Pact and basically sentenced him to death by Scaphism and led the Demented Pact through the Graven Path and into the land of the dead where they battled their way towards the mound where a new monster was incubating with the powers that the sculptor drawn from altars.

The Drowned and the Grounded tore open the mound releasing the souls trapped therein; and the Drowned killed the Incubating Monster and absorbed all of the bayou's sins within themselves.

What exactly happens to the Demented between then and Scortched Earth isn't exactly clear

But what we gather The Butcher's Cleaver either survived his exection by stalker beetle or somehow returned from the dead while The Beekeeper was exiled for failing to protect the incubating monster

They then made their way west toward's Mammon's Gulch.

[sinful bloom]

thank you

[brazen root]

i need more rat lore

[earnest jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/such-sights-to-show-gif-22302225

[spiral mica]

I think after Scorched Earth the Demented pact is pretty much just remnants of what they once were in Tide of Corruption. Evidently, the Demented have pretty much beefed with every other pact in the game, Chary ordered the Infernal to attack them during Tide of Corruption, Drowned and Grounded fought them during Tide of Desolation and Lawful was hunting them down and executing them during Desolation's wake. Lawful and Wilderness were also going after them during Scorched Earth. You've still got members like Bee and Pig who may or may not be Beekeeper and Butcher's Cleaver, but they're both in some kind of exile and it isn't clear what has happened to the other major named members of the Demented pact at this point.

But yeah, either way you look at it the Demented pact probably isn't doing too good right now considering everything that's happened to them.

I'm still a little surprised they actually showed up in Mammon's gulch during Scorched Earth. I figured after both Tide of Desolation and Desolation's wake the Demented pact was practically extinct. Sure, you had some stragglers like Centipede but overall their pact should've been history. Also, in Desolation's wake, Hardin says "No more Demented" and by that point he had most of the other pacts collaborating with the Lawful to secure a positive future for the Bayou.

[spiral mica]

@rough compass To answer one of your earlier questions, yes this game has lore but it isn't exactly very accessible at this time and the established narrative is kind of all over the place right now. There hasn't been a focus on the lore for about 3 months now, but many of us are holding out hope that it could change at some point in the future.

https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore for starters you can browse here but this source doesn't have everything. If you check the pinned messages for this channel you'll find a compendium that was put together by a very dedicated user by the name of Rai.

[rotund ferry]

Hello I have a question i'm trying to get some time stuff down for the japanese characters do we have an age on ronin? I didn't see anything when i was doing research on the lore on hunt. besides he was in tokugawa shogunate which ended in 1868

[granite shard]

He fought in the seinan war in 1877

I’d assume he’s somewhere in his early 40s maybe?

[real cedar]

Anywhere from 32-40s, yeah. He had just sworn allegiance so he wasn't that old when the Satsuma Rebellion began

[rotund ferry]

Thank you very much @granite shard @real cedar

[granite shard]

Of course!

Figuring out ages for hunters can be such a struggle

Esp when they look nothing like their age

Like the viper is only around 27

[rotund ferry]

Viper looks way older.

[granite shard]

(They found Delara, their snake, when they were 7, and delara’s type of snake lives about twenty years. Well the reason they went to the bayou was bc delara was dying of old age and chary promised he could prevent her death)

[rotund ferry]

Oh was he able to prevent it? sadly i was to busy to play during serpent moon.

[granite shard]

It’s never fully explained how delara got better, but yeah she’s good to go and the viper’s off finding their own path now!

[rotund ferry]

Alright.

Are the hallows eve characters are they still around besides harvest only cause i didn't see anything sayin anything about them as of yet? or if you have a link/site i could find this or other info from.

[granite shard]

I believe all but harvest should still be available in game

The only time limited blood bond hunter released in the last year is the current girl, zhuge Liu

She might return next year for chinese new year

[earnest jungle]

Viper ain’t got nothing on Kevin. Kevin is fourteen

[spiral mica]

Imagine if hunters actually had fully fledged and readable bios with age, height, weight, eye color, hair color etc. Like operators from Rainbow 6 but even more detailed and in a type of resume format like an employee and an employer to better facilitate the whole bounty hunter concept.

[loud steeple]

They should just give you a death certificate when your hunter dies like in the bloodlines trailer

and have all that info in it

Or when you retire a hunter you get another certificate with all their achievements

[spiral mica]

At this point I'll take anything

Although, it'd be a little uncanny to see your favorite hunter's death certificate.

[rotund ferry]

If my memory serves me correctly isn't Kevin the person who was resurrected?

[real dove]

yeah

by the moon

[noble scarab]

Several times even

[spiral mica]

I remember when Kevin was one of the only hunter getting resurrected. Now there's no many more.

[warped shale]

where can I find hunter lore

[real dove]

Rai has them in the compendium, pinned in the comments of this channel

If you own the hunter, you can't read them

[warped shale]

why??

[real dove]

No clue

[real cedar]

One guess is that the UI designers couldn't find a good spot to put the bios for owned hunters and just threw up their hands and let it ship as-is cause there was a lot more UI to work on before the deadline.

I hope it gets fixed eventually and we finally get bios for the Blackwell trio

[real dove]

Yeah. I think there are several places they could easily fit it

Just worried that since lore is clearly low priority, it's not something they'll bother with

maybe on the website under the Mythos?

[noble scarab]

They could bury it in the shift menu that you can access when viewing a hunter

[spiral mica]

That's where I was thinking they could've put it.

That way you can still read bios for hunters you don't even own.

[granite shard]

I miss being able to go through every skin that you own/don't own

like for weapons and hunters

[spiral mica]

Yeah, same

I'll never be able to read Plague Doctor, Third Son, Wayfarer, Exile or Viper ever again.

[earnest jungle]

I sucks

[spiral mica]

Yeah, it does. As I've said before at times it really does feel like more was taken instead of added to the game in the 1896 update.

[noble scarab]

At release I think it was, now we’re kinda back

Still need Desalle and weather conditions

[granite shard]

me thinking about desalle

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-my-wife-tails-i-miss-her-a-lot-sonic-the-hedgehog-snapcube-eggman-gif-27436480

[noble scarab]

Give us back the rain, that’s all I ask

[spiral mica]

Didn't they say DeSalle wouldn't be back for another year?

[granite shard]

I think they just said 2025

it'd be weird if it took an entire year for desalle to get updated

[earnest jungle]

RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN!

[spiral mica]

Yeah but maybe there's a lot they want to change about it. I still feel like more could've been changed with Stillwater and a little bit here and there with Lawson but for the most part DeSalle is pretty much perfect.

But yeah in my opinion Stillwater should've been the last map they released because there's still a lot I don't really like about it.

[noble scarab]

I wish they could’ve redone pitching and chapel

[spiral mica]

For example, they took one of the two workbench spawns away from Blanchett and gave it to Lockbay who already had three and now had four in total.

[noble scarab]

Also not a fan of the overblown indoor fog that’s really present on those basement compounds

I went into Stillwater the other day and couldn’t see shit

[spiral mica]

The lighting in the game in general right now is a total mess. Some areas are way too bright and impossible to peak and other spots are so dimly lit and hazy that you can barely see what you're peaking at.

Usually it's peaking out of a building or window and not looking into one.

[noble scarab]

The one bright ass time of day where god help you if you look at the sun or if you dare to attempt to peek something that is even looking towards the sun

Or the other like early dawn or dusk time where all the color is drained out of the world

[vivid crystal]

I must have some great settings on my monitor because I do not have any of those issues 🤔

[noble scarab]

I’m sure brightness effects it too

[rotund ferry]

Does anyone have a picture of the back of ronin's kimono?

[real cedar]

Closest I've got on short notice

[granite shard]

I just loaded into a match, I can get a screencap when I finish up if you need to a more straight on angle

[rotund ferry]

Your the best i was trying to figure out what clan symbol was on the back not near my console so thank you Rai.

Unless i missed something ronin was under the Tokugawa clan not the oda clan correct?

Didn't mean to ping sorry.

[real cedar]

He swore alleigance to the shogunate but I don't think he was part of the clan. The emblem most closely resembles that of the Ōta clan, a vassal of the Tokugawa clan.

[rotund ferry]

So i misremembered i thought it said he swore allegiance to the Tokugawa. Thank you again

[rain dune]

I fw u hunt nerds fs

[spiral mica]

Considering he was a Seinan war veteran he would've likely pledged allegiance to Saigo Takamori of the Satsuma Clan on the side of the Satsuma domain against the Meiji restorationists. It's also worth noting that during that period he wouldn't have been a Ronin.

I like how Ronin is said to have been a Seinan war veteran because from that piece of information we can gather a lot more additional information potentially on Ronin since the Satsuma Rebellion was a real event in history. Miko and Kendoka are a little harder to read up on, especially Kendoka since some of his weapon descriptions simply do not line up at all.

[rotund ferry]

But he would have the Satsuma clan symbol not the Oda clan

That's why i was confused prior cause i thought he had the Tokugawa symbol on the back not the oda .

[spiral mica]

Personally, I think he should've been given a Satsuma symbol instead of the Oda one but I can understand if that was just an oversight on the dev's part.

[rotund ferry]

Sadly that could be the truth.

[real cedar]

The Seinen Sharpshooter skin does mention he pledged himself to Takamori but idk if it's that easy to just change clans rather than be an ally

[spiral mica]

I mean, the two sides during the Seinan war was the Satsuma Domain and the Meiji restorationists and although the Oda clan DID fight in the war, I just feel like having him be directly tied to the Satsuma clan would've been a much better depiction than Oda, especially because like Rai said his Springfield 1866 skin mentions him pledging himself to Takamori.

[rotund ferry]

I agree.

[spiral mica]

Also It's not like Ronin couldn't have continued serving the Oda clan after the war ended because after the Satsuma Rebellion failed and the Meiji restoration was completed, they integrated clans like the Oda into the newly formed government, usually by appointing the houses viscounts.

So I think there is a little bit more going on with Ronin's character than just being on the losing side of the conflict. I think there could've been something he did during the war that could've been seen as dishonorable either by the Satsuma Domain or the Meiji government which prevented him from a continuation in service or possibly even leading him into exile.

I'd like to think something like that is probably what led him to Louisiana as yet another soldier of misfortune turned into a bounty hunter during a incursion. But now I'm kind of treading on headcanon territory rather than established factual information.

[rotund ferry]

Im curious to know if its something to do with his connection with miko.

Chisato Ryoko pressed her ear to the shrine bell to hear it sing of omens to come: plagues of beetles and frogs, crippling winters, a priest breaking their foot between cobbled stones. She clung to the bell the night the shrine burned, her family run off, the priests pushed from cliffs. But Ryoko remained. She alone witnessed the ronin who appeared and cut down each desecrator.

The ronin pulled Ryoko from the temple bell, pressed her ear to a sword, and abandoned her. She could hear a melody in the blade—it sang louder than the bell.

unless im just looking way to deep into something thats not even their which could be incredible true

could be something like the stone instead of a stone its cursed metals made into sword but honestly its probably just nothing

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I remember Miko's trailer had this emphasis on a potential connection between her and Ronin, It also made it appear like it was a negative connection of some kind but in what capacity I really couldn't say.

Plus, It's a bit sad to realize we'll probably never get any additional info regarding whatever relationship they had.

[noble scarab]

We got hyena man before Annie

[tiny plover]

Hey, is Justin Pierce's and by proxy any hunter's description logged?

Im like 95% sure he's from Philidelphia but cant find it ANYWHERE

[noble scarab]

rai should have all the hunter descriptions in the lore page, it’s pinned here somewhere

[real cedar]

Yup, here's the bio:
Justin Pierce worked the streets of Philadelphia as a cop, tackling the worst criminals the city had. But one of them was “connected” and got him fired. Adrift, he wandered until he fell into the Hunt, where he could unleash his righteous fury.

[noble scarab]

I still find it odd that there’s these 1 off vaguely tier 2 adjacent hunters that are now prestige rewards or blood bond hunters

[real cedar]

Makes sense to me, they had a few that weren't going to get rookie/veteran versions so they were put in the Prestige track until it was filled up and the rest got pushed to being BB hunters.

[languid rampart]

received a formal confirmation on that

[spiral mica]

That's pretty cool. I'm still a bit curious as to how or why she got a hold of it. Did they fight because they were enemies and that's how Luz Mala got it? Was it given to her as a gift because they were both Lunar pact? Is Prescient deceased or did she just lose her eyes and charms as a result of a potential fight with Luz Mala?

[rotund ferry]

Is there a connection between moorhound and beast hunter?

[real cedar]

Beyond their shared fixation, nope

[rotund ferry]

Thank you as always rai.

[spiral mica]

Beast hunter being Demented pact was always kind of weird to me because his bio states he was fearful of what the incursions brought and the Demented were out there actively reveling in what it had brought into the world.

[sinful bloom]

Wasnt scarecrow also part of the demented? along with assassin dude

[granite shard]

Yeah

[sinful bloom]

would u be able to send a link to where it shows what happened to scarecrow sorry if missspelling at work

[noble scarab]

hes not mentioned past tide of corruption i think

or whichever tide he was in

i know we see him in the trailer for ToD

[spiral mica]

Nothing has happened to him that I personally know of, but I think it's also possible he could've been one of many Demented casualties during their numerous confrontations with the other pacts throughout the events so far.

[late falcon]

Any consideration of investing in an episode of Secret Level?

[real cedar]

Nothing's been mentioned like that, though it'd be cool as hell.
A few years ago a full Hunt: Showdown TV show was in the works but development fell through

[rugged harbor]

I would love some Hunt based novels

[spiral mica]

Hunt based novels or a TV series would be very cool.

[rugged harbor]

What side of the civil war was Scrapbeak apart of? I was skimming the lore entries and it didn’t say exactly what side he was on just that he was a raglan and liked collecting broken things

[granite shard]

it's not really said. I guess there's some evidence that he could have been in the union (I forget who looked into this, but something w the union taking carmick) but also he could have been a confederate

[noble scarab]

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FZXQC6M

Event survey is up

@earnest jungle @real cedar ^

[real cedar]

Already finished it 2 hours ago 💪 I really like this new style of conditional survey questions when you say you dislike something and you get more options to explain why

[noble scarab]

Yea it was a nice improvement

[mint wind]

I do wish we could have the ability to say "too powerful" for traits and equipement.

[granite shard]

yeah

I used "very powerful" as my "too powerful" point

[mint wind]

It's good that there are some well targetted questions or choices for answers otherwise.

[lucid quail]

How does the Hunt business people purchase firearms for the hunters? Are they a recognized military group/company?

[granite shard]

I don't think there's any single way. a big factor is carcass gunrunner smuggling weapons in tho

[real cedar]

They had a couple of supply contracts with weapon manufacturers like Caldwell early on, though they fell through later cause nobody liked the AHA's director.

[lucid quail]

I believe it's also implied that the Statesman brought in the Mako

[real cedar]

Yeah, he came with a large shipment from the Backers

[warped shale]

wdym gun laws didn’t exist

you could probably just order them in bulk

SBRs where not regulated until the 30s

[rotund ferry]

Yeah back than it was a town by town basis i believe they did have some gun laws but not as strict as today. but American history isnt my specialty.

[warped shale]

I don’t even think automatic weapons were banned until the 80s

99% of the guns in hunt don’t even break any modern gun laws

[noble scarab]

Part of the gun smuggling is because the AHA is a secret organization and they had to attempt to sell guns to hunters with that in mind

[sinful bloom]

@warped shale what was the price of a carcano rifle back in the day

[warped shale]

idfk

[sinful bloom]

damn \

[warped shale]

I know you can buy a vetterli for like 150$

good luck finding ammo though

like 15$ a bullet

funny thing

Because of American guns laws

most of hunts short shotguns still adhere to modern SBR laws

assuming the shotgun was manufactured short and not cut down if it doesn’t have a stock it’s not a “rifle” or a “shotgun” it’s classified as a pistol

Don’t quote me though gun laws are ridiculous

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/mossberg-590-shockwave-shotgun/

[sinful bloom]

im still savin up for a krag got a seller for 1.5k

[warped shale]

idk what gun ima get

next year though

probably a 1895 Winchester

or an A5

when I turn 21 I’m gonna get a SBR paper and get a A5 shorty “whippet”

[sinful bloom]

i think they go between 1,500-2,000+ not sure exactly tho

the 1895win

[warped shale]

Depends on condition and year

I’ve sene some scuffed ones that still work for like 800

they still make the 1895 too

My father has a marlin 336 with a cracked stock and broken sight might buy that from him and take to a gunsmith to fix it

[sinful bloom]

go for it as long as ya get a fair price

[spiral mica]

It's because most of them are antiques by this point.

But it is funny how somehow a 100 year old rifle like the Mosin nagant is still finding a place in modern combat today.

[vernal arch]

Is there a way to view the Hunter's lore that I currently own?

[real cedar]

Not at the moment, sadly. The bloodline and prestige hunters can be viewed in their respective pages but owned BB and event hunters are just blank.
I've got them all recorded in the Compendium in the pinned messages of this channel though, if you want to read up on em.

[rotund ferry]

Is the p100 hunter the same hunter that you meet the new tutorial?

[real cedar]

Yup

[warped shale]

AFAIK there’s a pinned post in this channel the google doc has listings for each hunter and all promo/trailers they’re in

[spiral mica]

Is it ever mentioned anywhere if Scrapbeak also has an affinity for collecting corpses?

[lucid quail]

It probably just liked that guy or something

Also, looked into the prices of the 1865 carbine and Pax, thought that the pax being more expensive than the carbine was inaccurate but with some very light "research" it's kinda accurate. Roughly 20$ to purchase each in the 1890s, if this inaccurate please correct me.

[lucid quail]

I'm not sure of any specific numbers or ranges but I would guess the AHA is hiring a very loose guess would be a couple thousand bounty hunters which wouldn't be too hard to give a decent selection of armaments.

In lore atleast.

If hunt was accurate to the player base the AHA would have a decent sized army of hired guns that would probably shoot each other.

[real dove]

Could be mannequin arm? Maybe?

[sinful bloom]

Seems like it is cause in this picture released be crytek ya can see a mannequin head so its very possible

[spiral mica]

I'm not so sure if that really is a mannequin head and also if you rotate the scrapbeak model in the kill feed the arm is way more animated than that of a supposed mannequin one.

[rotund ferry]

It's not a mannequin head its mouth is open so valen is correct.

[spiral mica]

I mean, it makes sense I guess that Scrapbeak would also rob graves and bodies for shiny trinkets. Maybe he also wanted to keep a few of the bodies he's robbed.

I wish I was special enough that Scrapbeak hung onto my corpse.

[rotund ferry]

He was trying to find spare legs..... sound:0:3

[spiral mica]

😬

[rotund ferry]

{but bad joke aside} i wouldn't be surprised since it could be a body from the compound he's at.

Unless he's really trying to get spare legs since he lost his but i highly doubt it.

[real dove]

Dunno. Could be a fancy mannequin/doll with a moveable mouth. The face is also really shiny- could be a death mask, which would make sense if it is a body. But also that's just not what a corpse looks like

Even mummified

Will have to look at him closer in game

Looked up his model, without the promo shine body does seem mildly more feesable

I would do many many bad things for them to create an art of Hunt book

Models, character stories, images from game dev, concept ideas...

gimmegimme

[fickle sluice]

So... all in all we can say that Scrappy has his own Wilson?

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/wilson-castaway-gif-6160618

[noble scarab]

A nice hardcover art and lore combo book, maybe with a faux leather cover

[fickle sluice]

Problem is, that print items cost a whole heap of money to design, produce and especially ship. Especially if you want to make it look nice. That in combination with a probably quite small circle of people who are interested in that would make it prohibitively expensive.

[noble scarab]

Unfortunate

I’d take a digital one too

[fickle sluice]

I love that kind of thing, but even I have a limit of how much I am willing to spend on what is basically fluff

[granite shard]

honestly as someone with some experience in the fandom zine sphere, it's really not that crazy expensive

like it's something that could be sold as a collector's item for hunt and that would widen the circle of appeal past people who like the lore

now, whether or not a company would think it would be worth the investment is a different question, but the cost of production for print materials wasn't that crazy, even at the smaller scale I was working on when I took part in zines

[fickle sluice]

from my (admittedly extremely limited experience) the expensive part is the writing, art, layout and binding if you want good quality and actually pay your artists and writers a wage that doesn't label you as an exploitative piece of shit.

[granite shard]

oh yeah, but the big expensive part (writing) is already done

[fickle sluice]

yeah... not sure if that would actually be enough to fill a book

[granite shard]

honestly if you look at rai's compendium, that would fill up a lot of space

add in all of the concept art for things and that's a pretty good collector's item for hunt fans

[fickle sluice]

I mean... I'd love to see it. I just don't believe in it

[granite shard]

it will never happen but it would be neat

I still need to sit down and start laying out the written lore for my own personal physical copy like I've been meaning to do

(I got into book binding at the end of last year/start of this one lol)

[fickle sluice]

cool hobby

[granite shard]

yeah it's pretty fun!

[fickle sluice]

nice, good luck with it!

[real dove]

I don't even care if it's leather, id honestly prefer it to just be a classic printed hardcover art book like many others games have done

Or has the lore in it. Just be cool to see what the OG ideas were, and how they became what they were

[sinful bloom]

would be neat if for like 10 or 5 books they do a necronomicon style book but make it a hefty price

[real dove]

Yeah. Not saying a lorebook wouldnt be cool

but

[sinful bloom]

ik its a very small group of folk who are into the lore

[real dove]

if you made me choose? I'd ask for an artbook. see the models/ideas/trait art work (i freaking love Ina Koo's work SO MUCH)

ja

If they made novellas like fnaf

idk what id do

buy them

aggressively

[sinful bloom]

any news yet when the ingame lore will return?

[granite shard]

It’s not

[earnest jungle]

If they do decide to bring back the lore it won’t be until next year at the earliest because they had no plans for it at all as of October 2024.

And I honestly doubt they’ll do even that

[earnest jungle]

With the survey coming out I'm going to use it to express my disatisfaction with the absense of Event Story Lines and I hope those who share my disatisfaction will do likewise.

[spiral mica]

I'm not giving up hope just yet

[loud steeple]

50 characters on these explain why you didn’t like something prompts are not nearly enough

[spiral mica]

Yeah, a friend of mine who did the survey said she would've needed several paragraphs to explain her dislike for the current state of the game.

But even if they gave us the option to write short little essays about what we like and don't like I doubt they would take the time to actually read them.

[warped shale]

Hunt showdown comic when??

Ngl

I think sharif Hardin would make for the best hunt showdown main character

[sinful bloom]

If they made a comic I would love tht

[bold ruin]

Id say either him or the bone doctor, maybe have bone doc as a secondary protagonist?

[real dove]

Bone doc would be cool

Hardin imo isn't a likeable character

[granite shard]

prodigal daughter I think could have a really cool comic

[real dove]

Sofia would be neat

Redneck

Since we have a whole family now

[granite shard]

the witch hunter could have a really compelling story too

[real dove]

Trueewee

Chary O.o

[granite shard]

revenge plots are really basic but I do think they give a really solid basis for and interesting story, and everything we've seen from the witch hunter has been neat

[real cedar]

Hardin fits in a walter white or punisher or the new penguin show style, clearly a bad guy but still has enough drive to be a protagonist.
Following proper TV show cliche, the real protagonist would be The Kid, as he gets introduced to the AHA and joins up with two others for a trio. I'd say Sofia makes a good one but that forces the trio to be Sofia, Lulu and Kid, which doesn't quite fit imo.
Researcher and Carcass Gunrunner would be regular side characters to flesh out the Hunting world outside of the bayou, and Huff would be the villain of season 1

[real dove]

And you can add hex breaker and his boyfriend in as characters as well

Swap out the kid for Kevin

[granite shard]

honestly I think sofia/lulu/the kid have the potential to be an interesting trio

when I've pushed around the idea of turning the moon trilogy into a longer form story as a fic, the characters I thought of following for it were honestly those three

[real dove]

What about mountain Man

[granite shard]

I think in terms of the wilderness/primal sort of sphere, felis would be the more compelling protagonist I think

[real cedar]

Hardin, Felis, and one of the occult characters to get the three types of Hunters represented

Set it up in a noir converging storylines way

[granite shard]

there's honestly so many characters that would be solid leads and they would all end up being super different stories

like even just in the occult line, the prescient would be great for just leaning fully into the night of the hunters cult

[real cedar]

Shit, we're overlooking the obvious

the Blackwell trio was specifically designed for this

Caitlynn is the protagonist, the newcomer/foil for the audience that learns about the AHA as we do

[granite shard]

Yeah……………………………………………………….

(I think them so clearly being made for this sort of dynamic makes them more boring. But also if we had actual lore for them my opinion could change)

[real cedar]

Perhaps, but it's how these shows go, the formula is king to investors

[granite shard]

Yeah

[real cedar]

The legendary hunters work better as side characters cause that makes them less beholden to plot structure. They can have cooler stories, albeit shorter.

Redshirt would 1000% need to be in the show as a recurring character

[noble scarab]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/JHqGofT44g

Rare lore post on the sub

[bold ruin]

Every episode ends with him killing that episode’s protagonist with no context

[granite shard]

God seeing someone bring up “BUT THE BLACK COAT’S DEAD” gave me 2023-early 2024 flashbacks to this channel

It’s been a while since I had to bust out my trusty “bad as they seem is a fictionalized retelling of the lives of the twins where even in universe we’re told to take it with a grain of salt” speech

[bold ruin]

All that considered, is it so hard to believe that someone else picked the coat up? I mean, its not like hunters dont loot people…

The black coat might be dead in bad as they seem, but lets face it, theres countless ways he could come back

[real cedar]

The problem is The Black Coat is mentioned by name in both regular lore and BATS

[bold ruin]

B a t

But yea fair point

[real cedar]

This could be answered by The Skinflint's ledger of names. Hunters apparently take the identities of the dead with some regularity.

[bold ruin]

Although he doesnt seem like the kinda hunter to have whatever lore constitutes the necromancer trait, it could be a reason for his return

[real dove]

I'd love for a bit about the twins

[granite shard]

I feel like it’s just generally simpler to go “we’re told that we should take bad as they seem as both nonsense and the truth. This appears to be them playing into the unreliability”

Like sure someone could have taken his name… or Collins just exaggerated his death for dramatic flair

[bold ruin]

Id agree there

My guy slammed a regen shot into his arm and off he went

[noble scarab]

The only argument I have with black coat being dead/alive is that in the (I think) dark in New Orleans trailer, we see lore events that did happen, like bad hand getting shot, the gun runner smuggling, things like that. Among them is black coat getting shot with a hand crossbow.

The counter point is that we also see the rev become an immolator, which didn’t happen, there’s also the bone doc picking up bad hand, when he was supposedly brought back by the night cult

So there are inconsistencies within the trailer

So black coat could’ve died and been rezzed, or he could’ve been not killed at all, or maybe crytek just forgot or discarded their own lore

There’s options

However this was a time when trailers were mostly consistent with lore and certain trailers followed a story line, with Hardin having a tier 1 and 2 following him, later we see that same pair with Hardin when he meets the detectives

[granite shard]

I honestly just don’t count a lot of the videos as canon

[noble scarab]

That’s an option too

[granite shard]

Like, yes we see the black coat dying but it’s not affirming that it’s canon, more that it’s just showcasing the events of bad as they seem

Idk if that makes sense

Plus we have enough trailers that actively don’t align with canon that for the most part I feel like they’re there to look cool

[real cedar]

Yeah, representations of the lore more than factual accounts. They've done it other times like The Conspirator being burned by Hardin standing in as a british lawman

[granite shard]

Brewer was also used as a stand in for lynch before too iirc

And some t1/2 girls for the twins

[noble scarab]

Before the lore removal I treated trailers as canon unless it’s contradicted by something more direct, but after, who knows

[real cedar]

Most trailers were so inconsequential that they may as well be canon cause it has little to no impact. At most you get a small look at some hunters personalities that weren't displayed in text.

Some of the more recent trailers had been especially tied into the lore, Desolation's Wake and Scorched Earth.

Desolation's Wake even went back and confirmed that the Rotjaw teaser with Hardin was canon

[granite shard]

Tide of desolation’s trailer depicted events that just never happened

[noble scarab]

Tide of corruptions teasers with the butchers cleaver were also contradicted later too

[upbeat kiln]

I think if there is one thing we can all appreciate, it is Crytek's consistent ability to be inconsistent.

[plucky lynx]

the one thing we can all appreciate is u

[spiral mica]

I wonder how many people who did the survey asked "where's Annie Oakley?"

[granite shard]

Watch her get added in the final hour of the event lol

[spiral mica]

[real dove]

i mean

it was announced she's coming on the 10th

[granite shard]

Oh it was?

[rotund ferry]

Is scrapbeak a solider?

[real dove]

or we were told we could tell you

[rotund ferry]

Just wanna make sure

[real dove]

Sorry

[spiral mica]

10th of February?

[granite shard]

Yeah he fought in the civil war. Not said which side

[real dove]

I was told we could tell folks

[rotund ferry]

Thank you just wanna make sure kinda sad tbh

[real dove]

I believe AleaS posted in a comment on reddit

[spiral mica]

Well that's pretty cool. It sure did take them long enough to communicate that to us though.

I think in addition to consistency like Hazmat said, there is also a considerable lack of communication at times.

[granite shard]

Hopefully with some CMs back we’ll start seeing communication continuing to improve

[real dove]

Yeah, idk why it's been a downlow announcement

But I can confirm she comes on the 10th

[real cedar]

There was a CM post on the discord that mentioned it too

[earnest jungle]

Based on his uniform, the treatment of Peter Roche, and the fact that Avis was considered a War Hero I think it is reasonable to assume he was a Confederate

[granite shard]

There was speculation abt him being union due to the union’s occupation of carmick iirc

[noble scarab]

Do we know if the year of the serpent hunter was confirmed to be a limited release or is she sticking around?

[granite shard]

Limited

She might return next year

I think it’s kinda frustrating bc I thought they were done w those timed hunters aside from mythics in BPs

[noble scarab]

Yea that’s very frustrating

The Christmas hunter this year is even still around

Tho maybe they haven’t updated things yet

[real dove]

Word

tracking so many things can't keep track of what all is said where

[earnest jungle]

His Unform looks more Cadet Grey than Navy Blue:

Confederate Uniforms were adopted from National Guard Uniforms that made use of Cadet Grey.

[mint wind]

This could be as usual a way to distance themselves from the Confederate. The Scrapbeak is a miserable person that could attract some pity, not something you're willing to do if he was a soldier for the South.

[orchid tangle]

I mean as long as they don't make him an officer or something I think you can go the confederate way.

I've read journals of confederate soldiers, even the lowest of the low were absolutely fighting for racism and pretty vile in their speech. But realistically both sides were racist just one was worse. But you can make a confederate character be sympathized for and not hated, josey wales for example.

but at the end of the day whichever side you were fighting on kinda just came to whichever state you were living in (for most people)

I think scrapbeak would be fine as a confederate just don't make him stonewall jackson preaching fake slave bibles to people

[spiral mica]

Yup, for a time just before the war broke out during that whole transitional period between the national guardsmen and soldiers that were loyal to the confederacy and the union they were still wearing the same uniforms. During this huge exchange between sides from the northern and southern forts any confederates were asked to leave the northern forts and any unioners were asked to depart from the southern forts and in book 1 of the series North and South I feel like they depicted that particular part of America's history pretty well.

[rotund ferry]

Was the assassin like a normal person before turning

[real cedar]

We just don't know. He's a mystery

He has a name and can (could?) talk like a regular person but we don't know how he got all assassin'd up nor when it happened. It seems like he'd been that way for years

[remote rose]

DLC or BBs?

[orchid tangle]

from what I know bbs from what a chinese teaser said

I feel like there would've been a weapon skin teaser by now if she was dlc cuz htose start weeks before the release

[remote rose]

Right on, thanks for the info

[spiral mica]

My friend knows pretty much everything there is to know on assassin because it's her favorite boss in the game. All I really know is that the assassin's name is Vincent and that someone named "The Duke" used to be friends with him. You've also got The Cowl who appears to obviously be obsessed with him, even going as far as to visit wherever he is at the time regularly according to one of his weapon skins.

[rotund ferry]

Rotjaw is a gator named princess not sure about the immulator

Like the boss one

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I'm the one who pretty much knows everything there is to know on the prehistoric princess also known as Rotjaw.

Since she is my favorite boss in the game.

[rotund ferry]

I know she’s a pain to fight sometimes

But what’s the immulatr boss name

[granite shard]

Hellborn

[rotund ferry]

Like any lore on it

[real dove]

hotjaw lore?

[rotund ferry]

On the immulator boss trying to figure out lore on him

[real dove]

was the Scorched Earth lore

/story

Rai has it or you can find it in the youtube vid

[spiral mica]

There's only one Hotjaw ma'am and I'm pretty sure she doesn't look like that.

[real dove]

rotjaw and hotjaw

[spiral mica]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-rogers-captain-america-chris-evans-solnishka-avengers-gif-23187386

[spiral mica]

She has the crown!

I don't see no crown on Hellbores head

He's just a giant immolator

[real dove]

i can add one

but

be annoying to add to the animation

lol

[spiral mica]

Sorry but there can only be one royalty and she's a ✨️QUEEN✨️

[spiral mica]

This might be a silly question but does anyone else ever go back and watch old Hunt trailers and videos and then also go back and listen to the music from them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWhVhow9c9o

I'm definitely under the impression that the moon and tidal trilogy events were some of hunt's best times.

[sinful bloom]

Heres hoping that the next event song is a great one

[tired spear]

Tbh i'm not worried

there hasn't been a single PSB song that's not an absolute banger

[tired spear]

also there's several versions of Hunt's theme (namely christmas and halloween) that aren't available anywhere official, but the biggest offender to me is the absolute masterpiece of a Carol of the Bells cover they made for the Winter Solstice event

also, old event clues that were custom 😭

it really did feel like the corruption was adapting to whatever event was unfolding at the time and it was so cool

[granite shard]

I miss the Christmas flies

Flies???? wtf

Clues*

Thanks autocorrect lmao

[noble scarab]

They were custom per event until the moon trilogy as I recall

[granite shard]

It was tides that changed it iirc

It standardized event clues into what we see now

[rocky path]

This lives rent free in my head every Christmas because of how banger it was and I'm always sad to open the game and not here it again lol

[earnest jungle]

Certainly better than the current state of thibgs

On a side note missed opportunity to make the Helio Stone a chunk of amber with some kind of insect/monster inside

[warped shale]

Yes

I’ve been binge watching all the trailers

[spiral mica]

Most of the songs are great but I wasn't really a fan of Dressed to Die or Curtain Call.

[spiral mica]

I believe the swarm cutter skin for throwing knives is exactly this

Although no matter how many times in inspect I can never quite figure out exactly what kind of insect is inside but it'd probably a centipede.

[faint nimbus]

I always go back to traitors moon that song just hits

[spiral mica]

Marked for Death is obviously my peak but I also really like Dark in New Orleans and Lunar Attrition: Devil.

[faint nimbus]

I think my personal favorite of all time is drowning water

Wish I played more during tide of corruption so I could hear it more

[faint nimbus]

Something I just noticed is that centipedes intro sfx changed from an eagle to some weird roar

[sinful bloom]

for what

?

[spiral mica]

I wish you could edit your own Playlist so you get to choose what songs you want to hear more of

[spiral mica]

For awhile her intro sfx was bugged to sound exactly like The Archeologist's intro sfx.

[faint nimbus]

I always thought it was supposed to represent how eagles eat centipedes as someone in this server pointed out to me

Weird that it was actually just the archeologists sfx and I never caught on

[spiral mica]

Yeah because her intro sfx is the only one I know of that features the call of an eagle or hawk.

I'm actually not entirely sure exactly which call that eagle or hawk belongs to either and it kind or annoys me lol

[real cedar]

Very likely a Red-Tailed Hawk, that call gets used for basically every raptor call in media

[spiral mica]

You're probably right. Damn I should've known that too because I have so many where I live.

[rotund ferry]

Does anyone know if there's a connection between the year of the snake hunter and the other Chinese hunter or are they from separate associations?

[noble scarab]

Assumedly separate

[real cedar]

There's no concrete connection, but there are some similarities:
North Star & Sovereign: "Chen Lan answered the call for aid from the American Hunter’s Association, eager to gain knowledge that might aid the fight on her home turf."
Zhong Kui & Dead Blessing: "Descendant of an ancient line of demon quellers" "The hunter known as Zhong Kui broke with many of his order’s traditions"
Zhuge Liu: "Even in a secluded Taoist monastery in China, the call for Hunters was heard. Zhuge Liu was chosen to go forth into the world to fight unknown horrors"

Two references to answering the call for Hunters, several references to specific groups of hunters, but no through line. China is a big place, it could be that they have their own Chinese Hunter's Association with branches across the country, or it could be smaller disconnected groups of traditionalists such as Zhong Kui's demon hunting order and Zhuge Liu's monastery.

[rotund ferry]

Alright thank you. just wasn't sure for Zhong Kui

[vast nebula]

Does anyone know of a decent youtube playlist to catch up on the lore of hunt? Rly enjoying the game just wna learn bits lol