lore-discussion

[real cedar]

For once, some good news for Lore

https://www.huntshowdown.com/lore

They're making an official archive

Interestingly, there's one extra "coming soon" section besides the Book of Weapons

Something dedicated to Hunters. Will it be all the bios, or all the DLC stories, or something else?

[woeful ferry]

I hope for the hunters, we don’t have any for Otis, Caitlyn or Vinson

[real cedar]

Yeah, we were so close to having all the missing bios with the progression and prestige ones being added but we're still missing the mascot trio

Oh shit, I gotta go check each one of these

Now's the chance for retcons

[real dove]

Oho

That's awesome

Event stories maybe?

They did so much work with those

Please add them

[real cedar]

So far not seeing any big changes, just small punctuation and spelling changes, an extra word here and there that doesn't change any meanings.

[native marlin]

it may not be a continuation of the lore, or a huge win, but having it somewhere official with maybe something more is more then i thought wed get, so im happy!

[gilded umbra]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02y7BCUuzMp2YXCXJdPKGdjGwYuoyLYP2t5rU3PEepeJzDQJPNShahBGSDTcCauxtQl&id=100044400130516

[real dove]

They LISTENED 🙏🏻

[native marlin]

they did a mid event patch and made the lore book officially somewhere

its a christmas miracle

[granite shard]

Thank god man

The hunter section I’m assuming will be DLC blurbs and hunter bios

What would be extra nice is if they point towards each relevant hunter’s book of weapons entries

[native marlin]

thatd be so cool actually

make my lore loadouts easier instead of going "which scottfield is lulus again"

[noble scarab]

It looks like there’s a few new or reworked intros

Mostly for the older entries

[real cedar]

Biggest change so far: the veins of a grunt are now variegated rather than venated

Which refers to coloration rather than formation

[spiral mica]

Good, now let's get a menu option in game again. The option to read and listen to old event stories would be nice too.

[gusty gust]

Dear Crytek: Remove the damn DSA (Dynamic Skill Adjustment). What kind of "competitive" game has it and in such a grotesque form like Hunt?

[gilded umbra]

That’s a brilliant idea and I hope they implement it.

[restive patrol]

love how Hellborn is just missing from the Monsters tab

[real cedar]

Hellborn doesn't have a Book of Monsters entry

They could grab some of the Scorched Earth event paragraphs and form it into a BoM entry though

[granite shard]

I’d be surprised to see new entries for new monsters & guns tbh

I think it’s just an official archive which is good that they listened to feedback

[restive patrol]

imo, still awkward that one of the wild targets, does not have an entry at all when the initial tab says "Know your enemy. These scraps and morsels of truth were combined to give you the knowledge needed to fight back against the darkness." And yea, like you said it'd be a good idea to rework the Scorched Earth event paragraphs into a BoM entry

[spiral mica]

The only information we really have on Hellborn is from the Scorched Earth event story and the reveal trailer. We know even less about the Ursa Mortis other than the fact that it's two circus bears corrupted by the Heliostone.

[native marlin]

in 1896 people stopped writing things down, researcher just looks at new monsters and goes "huh, thats not good"

[spiral mica]

The Sculptor went back in time to Mesopotamia and banned writing things down.

[noble scarab]

things are no longer written down, we must rely on rocks to tell us things

the rocks know

[high stone]

It’s like the other Malone that talks to rocks

[spiral mica]

I can't wait for the Lickstone in the next event

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-licks-rock-rock-lick-rock-lick-gif-18546848

[real dove]

Screamstone

the lore is just AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[orchid tangle]

I can't wait for the sculptor to collect all the stones and put them in a gauntlet so he can make everyones lynch juice fail at the snap of his fingers and they all die

[native marlin]

id believe the rocks if they started telling me things that nobody else could know

[spiral mica]

Something funny I noticed is that some of the older weapon skins still refer to the weapon by it's old names.

[noble scarab]

consistency is hard ok

[spiral mica]

The Mountain King is still king for referring to it by the Winfield 1873

[high stone]

I’m still mad at the weapon name change tbh

[real cedar]

I've softened on it. I don't like the little inconsistencies like the Krag not having a year or the excessive shortening like Sparks losing its LRR but after doing a LOT of wiki work I'm glad the names are shorter and the variant terminology is consistent. I sympathize with the devs who've had to write out Caldwell Conversion Uppercut Precision Deadeye too many times

The biggest sin in the renaming is how it created the name 1865 Carbine cause they're not allowed to double dip on manufacturer names

[high stone]

What would the double dip have been there? I wouldn’t have cared if they just threw it in as another Specter weapon

[real cedar]

The most natural name is the Specter Carbine, it's even listed as such on the model of the weapon. That's what I'll always call it.

[high stone]

Yeah 1865 Carbine is a little awkward and confusing

[spiral mica]

not a great change but also not a terrible change either

I still refer to some of the older weapons by their older names but sometimes I've played with people who just call them Winchester, Colt, Schofield etc

I've had people refer to them by the name of a specific skin too

At the end of the day though I don't really care what people refer to them as it's just a name and names can change

[orchid tangle]

I just think it was a useless change

[mint wind]

Chances are it also happened because of Caldwell being either a cheap gun, a long ammo gun or a shotgun, and Winfield having barely any difference between 1873C and 1873 (the confusion was stupidly easy).

[warm quartz]

Terminus is a winfield gun

[mint wind]

Also that.

[warm quartz]

Wow I got a lore tibid

[earnest jungle]

It's a bloody christmas miracle!

[mint wind]

I didn't spot this one 👀

[green pollen]

Creamstone.

[real dove]

Pls no

Coldstone

With ice cream event

[gloomy mantle]

Now that's a event

[warm quartz]

eventstone

It taught ancient humans to put Post Malone into events

[spiral mica]

Y'know Chary having a 14 year old moon child as a rival is reminiscent of Voldemort having a boy as his rival.

[lucid anvil]

We saw that with the royal phantom lmao

[tired spear]

https://twitter.com/HuntShowdown/status/1870197503338893486?t=6BHBQglRtqr3q9gbvZCiUA&s=19

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown) on X

Hunters, rejoice! The Book of Monsters is now available on our website, giving you access to the origin stories of the Sculptor’s most twisted creations.

https://t.co/RKBNbMjsUQ

Stay tuned, because the Book of Weapons will be coming soon.

Twitter · Dec 20, 2024, 8:00 PM

Why not in the UI, tho?

(also, such a sick artwork as per usual)

[orchid tangle]

I think they realized saying third party sources was a terrible comment to make and this is their bandaid

idk if it was someone here, but I remember hearing something once that described these types of problems as weight gain and loss

like they went well over their desired "weight" when they removed all of this from the game, now they put it on their website, which is good, little bit of a loss, but it's still way over what it was

feels like 4 steps back, one step forward

[earnest jungle]

^This^

[earnest jungle]

So point of clarification: the beekeeper's daughter is dead right?

[granite shard]

I don’t think so

I think she just had enough of her mom and left

[earnest jungle]

I'm re-reading her entires in the story trying to piece together all of the parts written to her daughter

The language is somewhat ambigious

Okay I went over all of the passages and found those relevant to her relationship with her daughter

Listen, little daughter, this tale will nest an egg inside your heart. Nurture it. Bless it with rotten mint and the bones of your enemies. You will need it hatched to go where I have gone.
Only then will I hold you and say that you are beautiful. Only if you ascend with me will I call you mine…
…I can feel it. Some queen is ready to descend from the fog and lay her larva with a quiet thorax. How I wish to go up such soft flesh and palpitate it like her. How I want to be the first thing seen by what's born from that womb.
How I wish I could birth anything other than a human.
When you were a baby, I placed you in a beehive. The bees did not sting you, but you cried and soiled yourself. Even then the bees forgave you--crawled down your throat to let you know--but you couldn't accept their forgiveness. I am earning that forgiveness for you. Everything I do is for you.
The only way to split my soul was to have you. With you, I could feel twice as much. See twice as far. You were to be a queen in a queen-less land. You were to be a miracle of a daughter, not a curse.
The first time I was stung, I cried with joy. The blessing of the stinger is holy. The spreading of venom in blood makes openings in your soul. From there our Lord's thoughts emerge. But some thoughts you must be wary of, child. Some thoughts must be killed before they kill you.
Little one, I've seen the hive where all souls converge. Sky high and stretched with star larvae. Lords quivered from those constellations and combs. Their eyes wept with all the love we waste, and there--in the black rain--I tasted all I've wasted on you.

Little one, I've seen the hive where all souls converge. Sky high and stretched with star larvae. Lords quivered from those constellations and combs. Their eyes wept with all the love we waste, and there--in the black rain--I tasted all I've wasted on you.
When I recall the flavor and spice of it, I almost remember how to forgive you for leaving me…
…I was to witness the molting of our Desolation's Lord. I was to be a child to it, the kind of child my daughter was never brave enough to be.

"Third in a generational line of apiarists, but the first to develop forbidden, esoteric practices. Her devoted mania saved her brood from the tar seeping into their nectar, but no known witchcraft can reclaim a daughter's lost love. "

Okay yeah so the daughter is alive but has gone no contact because her mother got stung by a bee and started hearing the whispers of the Sculptor

[noble scarab]

Wasn’t there also a bit where the beekeeper put her daughter into a bee hive then was mad that the baby cried when it was being stung over and over

Sounds like a solid family relationship

[earnest jungle]

"When you were a baby, I placed you in a beehive. The bees did not sting you, but you cried and soiled yourself. Even then the bees forgave you--crawled down your throat to let you know--but you couldn't accept their forgiveness. I am earning that forgiveness for you. Everything I do is for you." - Chapter 5 Tide of Desolation

[noble scarab]

She didn’t get stung but instead was drowned in bees, just as good

[deft storm]

too bad the tintype photos of the monsters aren't with the entries, the way they were in the game

[earnest jungle]

I just realized that

[spiral mica]

For awhile I had the theory that Centipede was Beekeeper's daughter because iirc the hive barrels are said to have been bee or honey barrels that have been corrupted and Centipede is said to have utilized poison for the Demented pact and worked it into their bullets.

But it seems unlikely that Beekeeper's daughter would've joined the Demented pact along with her considering her impression of her mother.

It doesn't sound like they had the greatest relationship which is understandable. Centipede eventually defects from Demented to Primal herself because Felis taught her there's more to life than "madfolk preaching false prophecies."

[earnest jungle]

Anyone have any idea what those giant braces on Ochenkov's Widow are supposed to be/for.

[high stone]

I guessed it was some kind of scaffolding to hold together pieces of her as she’s put together (i figured she’s like a Frankenstein’s monster?)

[earnest jungle]

That's what I figured as well I was just wondering if the frame/scafold/brace had any kind of specific name

[high stone]

But she didn’t give her builder, uh, time to dismantle the scaffolding

[high stone]

It looks pretty weird, right? It might be a structure made just for her

[sinful warren]

She kinda is, basically the result of Mr. Chary being a bastard

I'm still sad we never got a Mr. Chary skin

[high stone]

Eh!

[earnest jungle]

Now you know how I feel about Lynch and the Twins

[high stone]

Is there some kind of Russian or Eastern Euro tale she’s based on? Ochenkov sounds like it could be from there..

[sinful warren]

I still have hope to see them at some point

[earnest jungle]

Based on her and her Husband's name Petr she's probably Central European

[sinful warren]

Iirc Petr is Russian and moved to US, then met Mary and got married... something like that

I should re-read the whole moon Trilogy again

[earnest jungle]

Petr is actually Czech not Russian

[sinful warren]

Thanks for the correction then

[earnest jungle]

So he probably would have immigrated from either Germany or Austro-Hungary

I think it's reasonable to assume Mary is American though

As it would be strange for Mary to anglicize her name but for Petr not to

[sinful warren]

Pretty sure she just took the Surname since he was her husband

[earnest jungle]

If you wonder why I ask it’s because I’m in the process of writing a Hunt fic for a friend and I decided to add Ochenkov because my girl needs some love and it’s probably going to tie into another fic I have in the works

[high stone]

Ah, ok, Czech makes sense….are there any spooky central European tales that may have inspired it?

[sinful warren]

Don't think so

[high stone]

Looks like “Chenkov” is mostly Bulgarian, “Ochenkov” seems to only exist in Hunt

[sinful warren]

More just like a tragic romance tale

[high stone]

Cool, just a short story?

[spiral mica]

A friend of mine seems to think she's like Hunt showdown's wolverine, but like Heavy Knife Persuader said, something like Frankenstein is probably a better comparison.

I can kinda see my friend's presumption that she's like wolverine because she's like a supernatural mutant weapon that bodyguards. Though, what I'd like to really know is how and why she seemingly defected from the Infernal pact to the Demented pact.

[earnest jungle]

Well my previous fic was a little over 3,000 words and this one is already well over 5,000 and not even done so…

[earnest jungle]

I have two theories:

1. Chary sent Ochenkov to spy on them and now she’s just kids stuck with then
2. Ochenkov’s desperation to resurrect her Petr led her to join the Demented searching for anyone who could bring him back

[high stone]

It would’ve been a tidier story if they cut Chary out….had Ochenkov as a scientist involved with the Jackson Asylum experiments, etc…his wife Mary is killed violently…he tried to bring her back with the same research, but she’s gone mad, and is dangerous now…she kills him…now she’s a widow

[spiral mica]

My hunt fic draft of Felis and Primal friends is currently sitting in google docs and collecting dust... I wish I had the motivation to actually edit and complete it but the likelihood that next to nobody would actually read it has kept me from continuing it.

[high stone]

Haha got it

[earnest jungle]

Hey I’m currently on ADHD meds so if you send it to me I might be willing to edit it

I got that itch for lore like

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[noble scarab]

Random complaint about ochenkov, I think her hunter animation should’ve been one motion or the other. She does the cool heart ripping out then acts like she’s choking. I get what they were going for but it doesn’t mesh well

Well choking for showing that she can’t speak or breathe

Something along those lines

[spiral mica]

That first theory makes a lot of sense because we see the Infernal and Demented pacts oppose each other in tide of corruption. I'd also entertain the idea of the second theory in the sense that she defects from the Infernal and Chary because she could see the attempt of resurrecting Petr with them as a lost cause and thus switches her priorities to potentially resurrecting Petr with the Demented instead. After all, the Demented pact seems to have had quite a large following because they had a whole Demented army at their disposal in the Land of the Dead during the tide of desolation event. I'd think they gathered such a large following because as Felis stated they were madfolk spreading false prophecies but even madfolk can evidently be pretty convincing with false prophecies.

[spiral mica]

I would but 1. I forgot how to share docs and 2. I don't know how to share them while only enabling certain people to edit and restricting others to read-only.

not to mention I'd have to find it again because like I said it's just sitting somewhere in there collecting dust.

[earnest jungle]

I could walk you through it if you’d like I used google docs for college all of the time

[spiral mica]

I actually kind of liked it purely based on the symbolism it has for her character. At first we see her dancing like some kind of puppet, presumably because she's under the direct influence of Chary as a result of his experimentation. She then does this grabbing motion which is what I believe to be a reference to her role in the devil's moon story where she rips Kevin's heart out. Then finally she begins choking(?) and or coming to her senses for a second and realizes the atrocities she's being forced to commit.

[spiral mica]

Perhaps another time. Right now it's late where I'm at and I don't necessarily feel like going through a tutorial right now.

[earnest jungle]

Another time then

Though I guess I did kind of already do judt that in Dms… oops

[spiral mica]

But yeah I'll definitely consider your proposal to look at my work and possibly edit it. Like I said, I'd just have to actually find it again first lol

[earnest jungle]

Lol

And if you’re concerned about being judged… don’t trust me… no matter how bad you think your work is… I’ve read worse and I’ve written worse

[tired spear]

Me want

[spiral mica]

Hopefully soon™️

[tiny plover]

Well they've always wanted other antagonists other than the Sculptor. I think Chary was a fun addition, though if I was reading into the Story trailer for this event right, him showing up at the Circus is an oddish choice

Like, ok fine, he's an occaltist being hunted for having The Mummy Blade Rock (Mummer stone / heliostone), but dude got Dusted, Thanos style. One would assume that'd have lastinger consequences

Like ffs, Finch is alledgedly some demi-god Imortal dude, Gar earned her Deathcheat, Kevin is still on the hook from the moon, Lynch is doing Lynch things, but CHAREY Comes back first?? After getting omega-got like a punkass?

Id get that they would want to reintoduce him eventually, being the presonification of occultist greed among the hunters, but like, keep the bench warmer for a bit longer bozo, Get my Boi Kevin out here to put Ochenkav to rest properly. She's STILL in Kingsnake mine I think

[spiral mica]

I don't recall Chary getting mentioned at all since tide of desolation. After he talks with daughter of decay and gets dusted.

[icy brook]

Good

Real Lynch acolytes get it

[spiral mica]

It's possible most of, if not all the Infernal pact is dead or gone because of their failed attempt during tide of corruption. Meanwhile, it's also possible that Ochenkov was possibly spying on Demented for Chary but eventually defected to them but I don't think she'd be sitting in Kingsnake this whole time.

Although I don't remember her being mentioned directly during tide of corruption, we know she was pledged to Demented so its possible she was around for the land of the dead stuff during tide of desolation and maybe even made it to Colorado for Scorched Earth.

But yeah, Chary is dusted, Lynch is seemingly in the Land of the Dead, Finch is Mama Maye's prized wooden decoration, the Sculptor is doing the usual shenanigans it seems and finally the Moon and Kevin haven't been mentioned in over a year now. At this point I think Post Malone, his talking rocks and murderous circus are the only villains/antagonists that Hunt currently has.

[earnest jungle]

That wasn’t finch that was someone else

[spiral mica]

You're right. I went back and took a look at the story and it appears the wooden man's name is Jellico. He was aboard the Delphine during it's incident with the Murmurstone and Rotjaw.

Mama Maye takes him to Catfish grove(?) where she "pruned him." By pruning they actually mean she tortured him by pulling his teeth. One of the charms from the previous event is a collection of his teeth.

Sofia remarks that his cries of pain sounded like "piss on dry leaves." After the Death pact is finished interrogating him, Mama Maye returns with a cart to transport him for his "pruning" to which Sofia goes onto say Mama Maye left to the sound of "rain on dry leaves."

The description of that man always sounded very "Davy Jone's locker, part of the ship part of the crew" to me.

[warm quartz]

A man who is a plank

Plankman

[spiral mica]

Plank "Jellico" man

[native marlin]

can anyone in here tell me who desert rose is? the person mentioned in the battlepasses bornheim skins and small stam shot? am i blanking on someone or is this person not really anyone?

[noble scarab]

She’s the Annie Oakley looking lady from the circus trailer

Crytek is holding her back from the event for now, either as a dlc or more likely a blood bond hunter

Probably around half way thru

[native marlin]

ahhhh i see, a bit strange to have her skins be so early, but at least shes a person who exists, just weird to read all this stuff about a person who doesnt really exist yet

tysm <3

[real cedar]

They did similar with Pappy Redneck, his crossbow skin was in the BP but he only showed up near the end of the event. Until he appeared I figured it was referring to the regular Redneck

[spiral mica]

Pappy Redneck also appeared in the HoG trailer too

I wonder if they'll continue down this route of featuring some kind of important named hunter like Pappy Redneck and Desert Rose in the event's trailer and battlepass but wait until later on during the event to actually release the skin itself.

[native marlin]

but at least his crossbow was later in the event, so it kinda lined up with his addition, but it is kinda cool to be like "whos this person i dont know!"

[high stone]

They have? Why do you say that? Chary appears to be a symptom of the rocky path Crytek hit a few years ago. I would have liked to hear more about guys like Lemonnier or Huff, Night of the Hunters, real people that are villainous that were set up, yet not followed through on. But the cat is out of the genie bottle now!

I’m less interested in the Dime Store Novel parts altogether though, including Lynch & Twins, I think those are weaker than the monster entries, anyway

[spiral mica]

As someone who only started playing hunt back in 2021-22 I would've definitely liked them to elaborate on some of the older stuff I missed while also tying the older narrative with stuff like LeMonnier, Huff and Night of the Hunt with the newer narrative like the moon trilogy, tidal trilogy and all the new pacts. Instead of dropping stories in these little bits of vague information I wanted something much larger and more expansive and overall more informative to the reader.

There's so much more potential they could've explored with the lore so it's really unfortunate that there isn't a focus on it any longer.

[icy brook]

Just give us a licensed novel already

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-release-me-joseph-seed-gif-12887358985963630884

[spiral mica]

TV show, book, a comic I don't care at this point just something where the lore can be enriched and focused on.

[earnest jungle]

I wonder what's going on with the Night of the Hunt?

It's kind of weird that there's two dooms day cults running around the bayou

I like to think the Night of the Hunt are bitter rivals of the Demented because the Demented keep poaching their recruits

[tiny plover]

Because they keep giving us other antagonists than the sculptor..?

The shady investors, people with their own cult agendas, etc

[tiny plover]

Im guessing based on the monologe Post dictates about how he lost the circus. Someone magic who wanted to disapear who brought with them the Heliostone

I / we dont know who they are, but who the fruck else has these mugguffans and wants to dip from AHA territory incognito

[tiny plover]

Techically their prophecy was bumkiss. Night Seer's first interpretation was wrong, and they keep being wrong if I recall

The Kingsnake event was a failure, both in the sence that it is not yet the end times, but Kevin lives (alledgedly) and his ally Chery is either dust or turned to a life of Clowing

Also, yknow, we in the current day are alive. Therefore he was like, SUPER WRONG

Lmao, since all of hunts events happen in the past, we the "readers" are looking back. World seemingly never ended.

Alledgedly. Maybe probably.

...hopefully..

[tiny plover]

They did follow through through story though? They died? I mean its not a great follow through but like

Huff did a bunch of no good aweful shit and died, the end.

Lemonnier was a tragic figure (iirc) who wanted to help others but got roped into Huff's bullshit, eventually to the point where it gets him killed by Huff.

I guess I can get what you're saying about little payoff to an extent, but, eh? Feels like Huff served his narrative purpose, his Death catalyzed the collapse of the Lousiana Branch of the AHA.

Thats why we shoot at each other. What more do you want

[spiral mica]

The benefactors that we hear about in Scorched Earth also dabble in occult MacGuffins and tbf Chary isn't the only guy trying to play God in Hunt.

Not to mention that there isn't really anything beyond Post Malone murder circus and talking stone plot device during this event.

[tiny plover]

Listen man, helio stone, Murmmer stone

Tomato Tomato, Im Tellin Ya

Crazy how I spell that the same but my brain says they diffrent and pronounced diffrently accordingly lol

[spiral mica]

The one way I could see Chary being the one Post Malone lost the circus to is if Chary was looking to acquire the Heliostone from Post Malone just like he wanted to get his hands on the Murmurstone. However, the little man that is mentioned in the lore monologue in fact traded the Heliostone for a spot in Post's circus so that he could disappear. If Chary happened to be the aforementioned little man it would raise more questions rather than answer them. Like why would Chary want to join the circus and disappear? Why would he trade such a powerful magical artifact like the Heliostone when he made such an effort trying to get the equally powerful and magical Murmurstone? Yet, the most compelling question I'd have would be how exactly would joining a circus in exchange for the Heliostone elevate Chary in any way? His goal was to obtain unfathomable divine power and joining Post's merry little band of misfits doesn't strike me as something that would help him in that endeavor at all.

[amber onyx]

So we dont know who the little man is and the helios stone is another type of stone, similar to the murmur stone from the previous event?s?

[spiral mica]

No we don't know who this mysterious little man is. Although, I do recall Chary described as being a little man It still wouldn't make any sense at all for him to be the one who trades the Heliostone to Post Malone for a spot in his circus just for the Heliostone to corrupt and ruin everything.

And yes, as far as I can tell the Heliostone is essentially a distant cousin of the Murmurstone, capable of doing pretty much everything it could do and more.

[amber onyx]

A portable sculptor haha

[spiral mica]

The Murmurstone however was promptly destroyed by the Death pact, thwarting both the Demented pact's and Infernal pact's plans of using it. Unless Sofia still has some of Finch's magical silver blood lying around and magically shows up to destroy this new stone and put a stop to all the trouble it caused I don't see how any of this is relevant to the previous narrative.

Like I said, I don't think the little man Post monologues about is actually Chary and I think any semblance of a story that this current event has is just a shoddy attempt at giving context as to why Post Malone is in the game and has a circus that turned murderous because of another magical MacGuffin stone.

What's really funny to me though is that evidently this Post Malone murder circus event somehow has more of a story than the previous event, Harvest of Ghosts did.

I know more about Post Malone and his murder circus than I do about Harvest the pumpkin head and Ghostface and what they were doing running around Mammon's gulch supposedly weaponizing dark sight.

[granite shard]

There had been hints at the night acolyte starting to question things with a charm for I wanna say scorched earth

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, pretty much how it seems.

[tiny plover]

I assumed based on how she handled her Boss going to Chary's side that if she wasnt in her own splinter group, she was started to have alterior motivations based on her own shit. I want to say her providence was getting stronger than him, but I may be confusing her with The President, who has a similar story to Accolade

[tiny plover]

I took harvest ghosts as 200% a ghost story told by PawPaw Redneck

Especially considering its trailer and content. Like a dime novel we played through

Strickly speaking, EVERY GAME we play is a recounting since its in the past and we're looking back as modern hunters researching solved/midigated calamities. Every event is just another series of notes chicken scratched in journals strewn around AHA libraries

From first hand accounts to novalizations

[tiny plover]

If for nothing else? Its that this bozo is a fully new character and Im guessing with little to go on, so Chary makes as much sence as like, Cain having it lmao.

I did forget about the shattering of the Murrmerstone though.
Mayhaps this little man was that prick that facilitated the Hellborn rituals, the guy that Brewer and the Researcher boot out Colorodo? Or an associated party?

Makes more sence, occult rat boys scattering once the Law shows up

Also Id love if this event at some point foreshadowed Finch's return

One way or another

I like to imagine he's still just fucking hanging there

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-swinging-wire-gif-15771257

Like this but sad.

[earnest jungle]

Question semi-related to my fic: which of the following characters do you think would be willing to kill child cultists and which would be opposed: Mary Burges, Circie Elias, Devil's Advocate, and Meridian turncoat?

I feel like Circe would oppose murdering children, but Mary Burges would not, and I could go either way on the other two

[granite shard]

I think Circe would kill a child if necessary. She hesitated seeing Kevin but was on board with continuing the plan until the viper got the venom vision that chary was in the wrong

[real cedar]

Additionally, as a witch hunter she's definitely killed "children" before if all witches are able to take on children's skins like Lynch did.

[granite shard]

Yeah

[warm quartz]

I think it's actually is opposite, Mary is a nun with guns and Circe is a witch hunter

[granite shard]

Killing a kid probably isn’t something she enjoys doing but if it’s necessary

Mary was also fully on board with killing Kevin until the viper’s vision

She seemed to actually hesitate less than Circe

[warm quartz]

We don't know much about turncoat except that he survived an ambush I guess?

Devil's Advocate is dangerous to innocents, so I guess cultist children are in danger too

In the end, I think all of them would kill cultist children for something

[granite shard]

Yeah

Honestly the majority of the roster would be fine killing a kid if it was critical to the mission

[earnest jungle]

What if it wasn't?

[granite shard]

I mean a majority would still probably kill the kid

[earnest jungle]

Interesting, interesting

[noble scarab]

If they got paid, then it’s even less of an issue

[granite shard]

A huge amount of the roster does just kinda like killing people

[bold ruin]

I know he wasnt included, but we know that penitent has no issue w killing kids (i mean, he didnt at first, then came the face removal and seasoning w a pinch of salt etc)

[earnest jungle]

Oh yeah he would definetly kill kids

[noble scarab]

I think we could break it down by something like

Would kill kids for money, mission needs, for fun, just because

The list that is wouldn’t kill kids would be maybe 3-4?

[warm quartz]

DA gives the vibe of someone who would toss guns at children, calmly say "It's appears our adversaries are armed" and give them both Rival barrels

[warm quartz]

I think he salts his face exactly so he wouldn't kill kids

He chases the demons away with sadomasochism

[noble scarab]

DA isn’t sane enough to do anything calmly, he’d just start blasting and licking corn

[granite shard]

I think a good number would feel sad abt having to kill a kid

[noble scarab]

Not Hardin

[bold ruin]

At this point yeah, i was saying before but you’re definitely right there

[noble scarab]

Hardin would encourage it

[warm quartz]

Hardin wouldn't wait for an excuse

He suplexes kids for breakfast

[earnest jungle]

I feel like the Meridian Turncoat would kill children if he was being paid for, Nun and Circe would kill a kid if the mission required it, and DA flips back and forth between would not kill children and kills children for fun depending on which personality is in charge.

[bold ruin]

skull taker absolutely would if the kid in question was an endangered species

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/issa-rae-insecure-hbo-gif-23978035

[granite shard]

I think he would be fine killing endangered species

[earnest jungle]

My thinking on the DA is that when he's in DA mode he'd be like: fuck them kids. But when he's in Henry Trapp mode he wouldn't

[warm quartz]

He already did

[granite shard]

He’s running out of chances to hunt it

[warm quartz]

I think it was sabletoothed tiger?

[granite shard]

He does have one of those skulls doesn’t he

[warm quartz]

No, it's in his DLC description

[noble scarab]

No body tell skulltaker that there’s rare cultures that bind skulls into weird shapes

[bold ruin]

Sabretooth for sure, and i think something else

[granite shard]

I’m pretty sure he also has one of those skulls tho lol

Like on his back

[earnest jungle]

Actually the Nun would kill the kids on the principle of them being godless heathens

[bold ruin]

Bone doctor probably wouldn’t? I think

[warm quartz]

"The saber-teeth on his back chronicled a legend—Skull Taker piercing the endling of a species with a primitive spear on a storm-swept plain"

[earnest jungle]

Unless she saw them as victims of the Cult then maybe?

[noble scarab]

Felis would

[bold ruin]

My guy 1v1s a prehistoric apex predator and still gets done in by a hellhound smh

[granite shard]

Felis would kill a kid with zero hesitation

[warm quartz]

Depends on the cult

[earnest jungle]

The only reason Felis wouldn't kill a child is so she could turn them into a child soldier for the Primals

[warm quartz]

Yeah, most of the hunters would kill kids with glee

[noble scarab]

If they’re too weak to be a primal she wouldn’t have an issue

[orchid tangle]

if the children I saw looked like kevin I'd probably feel less bad

[noble scarab]

Mountain man and his trappers might at least feel bad about it

[earnest jungle]

True he does look like he's 30

[warm quartz]

Yeah, some might feel mighty bummed about it

[noble scarab]

Our boy kevs been through a lot

[warm quartz]

But in the end it's like a late term abortion

[earnest jungle]

Kevin I don't think has the heart in him to kill a child

[granite shard]

The way that the witch hunter looks at him and goes “): he reminds me of my little brother this is sad” contrasted w his in game model is so funny to me

[bold ruin]

Smoking that chary pack rip bozo

[earnest jungle]

Same with Sofia

Though she would hand the gun over to Lulu and let her kill the child

[granite shard]

Sofia would kill a kid no question

Not for fun but if she needed to

[warm quartz]

Lulu would prune a nursery if Sofia asked her to

[earnest jungle]

Lulu doesn't need a reason to kill children but she won't go out of her way to kill children

[granite shard]

Yeah

[noble scarab]

If Sofia asked lulu to 1v1 the sculptor she would

She’d win too

[orchid tangle]

if I was in hunt I'd probably only fight in self defense until about 2 minutes and 30 seconds into meeting the characters then I'd assume they're all terrible people and kill

though I would like a drunk night with billy story, the kid, and carter until it ends up in prison

[earnest jungle]

I feel like that's a bunch of hunters really, wouldn't go out of their way to kill a child but wouldn't feel bad about killing a child

[granite shard]

If I was in hunt I’d hope I could convince the witch hunter or lulu or someone to take pity on me

[orchid tangle]

I would try to be friendly with everyone and avoid death but realistically I'd get shot before getting close to anyone

[granite shard]

Lmao

[orchid tangle]

I mean... if I saw a child just chilling around in the bayou I'd assume it's demon fuckery ngl

[granite shard]

“Noooo Circe don’t kill me you’re so hot ahahaha your quest for vengeance against lynch certainly isn’t self destructive and is such a great idea”

[orchid tangle]

nah nvm I'd die for sure I only like the terrible people, I don't think gunslinger would take any chances, private eye iirc is only in the hunt to "get more blood on her hands"

[warm quartz]

I was actually thinking about a fanfic about a hunter hired to save a rich girl from the Incident zone in the early days, finding her dead and then clearing out infected orphanage out of the goodness of his heart, explaining why there are no child zombies

[orchid tangle]

is it possible to have a conversation with the revenant

[granite shard]

I don’t really know how sentient he is

[warm quartz]

Apparently yes, videos keep portraying him with new friends

[granite shard]

He seems to be more of a traditional zombie than the drowned

[earnest jungle]

I think you can talk to the Revanant and he can understand but he can't really reply

[orchid tangle]

I mean

that's how I talk to most people ingame

so it works

[noble scarab]

Depending on how his resurrection worked he might can just project his voice or something without lungs or breathing

He was able to get his gun back from the barkeep well enough, and work with Dr John and the reverend

[earnest jungle]

A thought has occured to me; it is said that the Sculptor's influence is most pronounced on the young, the old, and the unborn. Which would give a good number of hunters the only reason they need to put a child down

[orchid tangle]

see I can only imagine it though in how gameplay is

the last sight most these children will see is a masked freak rushing them with a sword

[noble scarab]

What would the redneck family do

[warm quartz]

Their assscratcher is a child herself

[orchid tangle]

weirdly enough I feel like the redneck family is your best bet at encountering a friendly trio if you're a child

[warm quartz]

To be fair, I think they are as unburdened with morals as they are unburdened with intellect

[noble scarab]

The daughter probably wouldn’t, the redneck, maybe. Pappy would, no questions

[orchid tangle]

idk much of their lore so I'm going off of vibes but to me they just feel like the type of family that'd be really nice to people unless they're working for some 3 letter organization

excluding the aha for my argument

[noble scarab]

I think they seemed to keep to themselves, especially the redneck

[orchid tangle]

I will take the challenge

I will drive up to their house and ask for a little gas to make it to the nearest gas station

[noble scarab]

We never hear about the redneck nor pappys wives at all, which is odd

[orchid tangle]

I'm sure one will become a hunter in a year or so

[noble scarab]

Probably so long as you don’t bother their chickens they’d not mind

[spiral mica]

Reptilian and Llorona probably drown kids like they're Samara Morgan from The Ring.

I found out recently that one of the versions of the La Llorona myth involves her drowning her 3 children to save them from suffering starvation and that's why she's so vengeful and sorrowful.

[earnest jungle]

Ironically I think Lloroba is among the few hunters who wouldn’t murder children

And the reptilian… hmm I think he wouldn’t kill a child, but only so he could use the child as live bait.

[icy brook]

Bridgewater at Wounded Knee

[orchid tangle]

we don't deal with any samaras in here this is a strictly sadako household

[earnest jungle]

Here here

[spiral mica]

I think it depends. He would've killed Skinned just like he did his father but Reptilian technically adopted Scaled ward.

[spiral mica]

You're right

[earnest jungle]

lore question who do you thin the Eventide Timepiece is for

[real cedar]

Easy answer would be the Statesman but the crest on the back of the watch isn't his.

[warm quartz]

He is sadly familiar with poison and has a lover's clock

So I assume his wife got poisoned instead of him

Maybe by him

[earnest jungle]

Returning to the previous conversation

I do think all of the hunters would kill kids but there are different circumstances that would lead them to kill children

[real dove]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-willem-dafoe-alpaca-face-swap-weird-gif-27041152

[earnest jungle]

Ah just coming into this conversation now

[real dove]

yes

lol

[earnest jungle]

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU KILL THE LORE CRYTEK

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-rage-smash-hit-gif-17264356

Your fans debate how little it would take your characters to kill children

[orchid tangle]

well

hardin sent children to their death

do we know if he sent prisoners and children at the same time or was it a wave thing where he was working down the list of people he could use

if it was at the same time thats'e ven worse

[earnest jungle]

He also shot one of those children because he proved to be too good at hunting

[spiral mica]

It's only funny because child murder makes up a noticeable portion of Hunt lore.

Hardin sending kids to their deaths, Chary torturing Kevin and Mary ripping his heart out.

[acoustic whale]

would've been better if they made Hardin a good sheriff tbh

[earnest jungle]

No

[orchid tangle]

I think it was unavoidable, corrupt sheriff one of the biggest 1800s tropes

brewer makes up for it

[icy brook]

There is quite the historical precedent for it, it adds nuance to the character

[acoustic whale]

Hardin looks like the sheriff you'd look up to, sad that hes written as a bad character

Brewer is the complete opposite

(looks wise)

[orchid tangle]

brewer is the old hard ass woman you meet in a small town who is very awkward to talk to

[orchid tangle]

yes, tons of open corruption at the time. My favorite story was Jim Miller. If anyone watched fistful of dollars he definitely inspired the scene where Clint wears a metal plate to survive shots to the heart at the end.

This guy was an assassin and also became a deputy, but he'd target I think it was mexicans, would kill them all the time. One day some other law guy gets sick of his shit and tries to kill him with a shotgun, but miller always wore this giant duster all the time no matter the temperature, so when he was taken to be looked at by a doctor they took off his coat and it was revealed he'd been wearing a metal plate under his coat so he lived, he killed that guy later.

shame that all cool wild west characters are usually racists but that's just gonna be the case with violent people in history

[icy brook]

I grew up near the ghost town of Bannock Montana, their first sheriff was a guy named Henry Plumer who ran a band of thieves called the Road Agents by night

The town eventually caught on and lynched him

[orchid tangle]

wasn't corrupt but theres one sherrif I wish I remember the name of, he got kidnapped by some criminals, he somehow got out of that situation and got a gun off his deputies that came to help him and landed a really far pistol headshot on the criminal who was firing from the porch

[earnest jungle]

Yeah about that: the alleged gang he ran “The Innocents” never existed

[orchid tangle]

though that story is also probably heavily fabricated

[earnest jungle]

When you actually dig into the accusations against plumber compared to the actual historical evidence it becomes obvious that Plumber and many of the others murdered by the Bannock vigilance community were victims of mass hydteria

[icy brook]

Well that’s frontier justice for you

[earnest jungle]

The great tragedy of Hennry Plumber was that he was one of the very few lawmen willing to put his life on the line to the do the right thing and protect and serve and it’s what got him killed.

Plumber was against Lynching and always had been this can be seen through out his career

He believed everyone was entitled to a fair trial and was like targeted by the vigilantes because he was trying to put a stop to the lynchings and protect the rights of the accused

[icy brook]

At the end of the day he still swung from the gallows no matter what side of history you’re on

[earnest jungle]

It’s a dangerous thing to be an honest man among dishonest people

Plumber was an honest uncompromising man who refused to turn a blind eye to murder and the vigilantes killed him for it and distorted history to justify their crine

[icy brook]

I also take my sources on the matter from Dimsdale’s The Vigilantes of Montana, there is a lot of local lore on the story that isn’t particularly true

[spiral mica]

Brewer isn't a Sheriff though she's a Marshal and she's also not 100% clean herself.

[orchid tangle]

well my point is an authority

and she's still def better than hardin

[spiral mica]

Depends on how you look at it. She's still lawful pact so there must be something she sees in Hardin that prompts her to continue following him. I think she definitely advocates for the vision of law and order or as Hardin puts it "Louisiana justice" but I also don't think she firmly agrees with his way of doing things.

[orchid tangle]

wasn't she interrogating him at one point

[spiral mica]

Yeah, iirc the interview with Hardin was conducted by Brewer.

I see the dynamic between Brewer and Hardin being the whole "good cop bad cop" cliche. On one hand you have Brewer who is strict but fair and on the other you've got Hardin where in his eyes the means justify the ends.

Hardin is fine with being judge, jury and executioner but Brewer believes in proper etiquette and doing things by the book.

[granite shard]

I think brewer is just willing to turn a blind eye towards bad stuff if it benefits her

[spiral mica]

Yeah which is why I said Brewer probably isn't exactly clean herself. I wouldn't say Brewer has some moral high ground over Hardin as a person.

[granite shard]

She can claim that she didn’t do xyz bad thing but she won’t actively try and stop it

Like I think she doesn’t necessarily believe in proper etiquette, but she mainly doesn’t want to be the one to break that etiquette

[spiral mica]

Yeah I guess that's a better way at saying it

[spiral mica]

Does anyone else think Jeremy Albano, aka the Scarecrow, probably has a crippling fear of fire?

[orchid tangle]

it's hunt so he probably lvoes it more than anything now

[warm quartz]

All hunters have innane fear of fire

Comes with Lynch's gamer girl bath water

[lofty quarry]

Thought all the lore heads would like this (It's non-cannon) https://sites.google.com/view/pms-murder-circus-fan-lore/home

[warm quartz]

Does it or does it not have Hardin smut?

I'm deciding if I should spend my time reading it

[lofty quarry]

There is Sheriff on Sheriff action involving Hardin and McLeon

Chapter 3 and Chapter 9 might pique your interest

[warm quartz]

😮‍💨

[lofty quarry]

Gotta keep the audience interested, I know

[warm quartz]

OwO when did they add this?

[granite shard]

The murder circus patch

[spiral mica]

One of the nicer additions from this patch I might add.

Although, there appears to be even more content still missing that was showcased from the event trailer.

Like this Trueshot skin and of course the Desert Rose hunter.

Ideally we'll get all this later on as the event progresses

[warm quartz]

Second post malone video?

[spiral mica]

No all this was showcased from the first video

[warm quartz]

No, I mean second post malone video is coming

Deep Post Malone lore?

[spiral mica]

We already got a second video with Post Malone titled "The Show Must Go On."

actually that would probably be the third or fourth Post Malone video because we also have his Q&A and battle pass reaction videos too.

[warm quartz]

The had the in-game one where Post Malone, played by Post Malone, seamlessly vowen into Hunt's narrative, enters the murder circus how he lost the circus to crack rock cocaine addiction of his clowns

Or something like that, I only remember that there was rock and he robbed every corpse he found

[spiral mica]

"The Show Must Go On" video is the one where Post Malone monologues about losing his circus to some unknown individual who I definitely don't believe is Chary, and if it is it would make absolutely no sense.

[faint nimbus]

It’s some person who introduced the helio stone so probably a new character

Cause the helio stone is a completely new thing right? It causes corruption but it’s like the murmur stone right it’s just an individual thing

[lucid anvil]

Talkrock 2

Electric boogaloo

[orchid tangle]

I blame this guy

[earnest jungle]

Who dat

[real cedar]

Pre Malone

[orchid tangle]

he makes talking rocks

[ember halo]

Isn't it giggles?

[spiral mica]

I blame one of these guys. We're in full chaos mode at this point.

[warm quartz]

I don't think it's Chary, I think it's just Mr. McGuffin that got post malone the rock to explain how he got the rock

[bleak venture]

how many of you saw this and went "THEY WERE RAVENS NOT CROWS?!"

[spiral mica]

I bet they did that to spite us because everyone refers to them as Crows

If they really are ravens and now crows though it'd be cool if they could mimic speech to throw off players in a match.

[abstract plaza]

I mean it makes sense ravens is 2 claps and crows is 1

syllables

claps also works because I cant check without clapping

[noble scarab]

It makes 0 sense for them to be ravens other than crytek not knowing the difference in a crow and raven and just using them interchangeably

[real cedar]

It's probably just a UI mistake. Both the old event and very old patch notes refer to them as crows

[earnest jungle]

It's probably just an oversight

[warm quartz]

Ravens are more edgy

That's all there is

[topaz mirage]

hunt showdown aliens?

[lucid anvil]

👽

[upbeat kiln]

I said the exact same thing. I've always thought they were crows lol

[warm quartz]

There's that one hunter I'd like to probe 😏

[native marlin]

theyve been reffered to as crows before, multiple times, i wanna say beastface description and as the crow flys videos, theres been a retcon at some point for some reason

[upbeat kiln]

Noooo?

A retcon?

[native marlin]

maybe even a loading screen

[upbeat kiln]

Get out of here

[native marlin]

as we know all hunt things are set in pure concrete forever

fast drying, pure consistancy

[earnest jungle]

This isn't the first time I've seen them flip flop on whether they're crows or ravens

[native marlin]

for sure, the thing i dont get is WHY

its such a small thing, i dont think ive ever heard anyone go "why are there CROWS here?? they didnt come to lousisana until 1939!!!"

like its just a silly thing to focus on, and i cant understand their reasoning

[upbeat kiln]

the programmers Tim and Tom's common Monday argument about whether they are ravens or crows has just finally spilled into the game

[native marlin]

they flip a coin eatch time they add a new interaction or loading screen to see what to pick

[earnest jungle]

I don't think this is even the first time it's spilled into the game

[upbeat kiln]

are you telling me that the crows aren't realistic?

I'm uninstalling

[native marlin]

the death of lore in hunt showdown

not the removal of the books, not the addition of post malone

[upbeat kiln]

that was the feather that broke the raven's back

[native marlin]

the fact theres CROWS HERE

it really was

[earnest jungle]

This happened back during the As the Crow Flies Event of 2021

So it seems that whether the black birds are Crows or Ravens has been a long running internal controversy within Crytek

Perhaps for as long as the game has been around

[native marlin]

i feel like i remember so many things saying crows, obv i dont count just devs playing, bc if dennis suddenly calls hellborn bigillator it isnt cannon, its just been so weird

[spiral mica]

The lore discussion channel is so depraved right now. We've gone from talking about child murderers to crows now. Funny thing is a group of crows is called a murder.

[earnest jungle]

As I pointed out this is not even the first time it has been debated whether the black birds are supposed to be crows or ravens

[native marlin]

no wonder why theyre ravens now, theres no murders in the bayou

[upbeat kiln]

what is a group of child murderers called?

[native marlin]

were all hand in hand working together to cleanse the monsters and share the money :)

[spiral mica]

A prison

[upbeat kiln]

lol

[earnest jungle]

A Church

[upbeat kiln]

jesus lol

[spiral mica]

A government

[upbeat kiln]

alright alright alright

[earnest jungle]

Must... ressist... obvious... joke...

[upbeat kiln]

too much edge on the table now 😄

[spiral mica]

Lol

[native marlin]

talking about child murders is the gateway to edge

lets go back to birds being crows or ravens tysm

[spiral mica]

We've already established they're crows

[upbeat kiln]

they're ravens Valen

[earnest jungle]

Why don't we compare and contrast

These are the crows in game

And this is the difference

[spiral mica]

Nah they're crows. Their behavior doesn't align with that of ravens. Ravens are one of the most intelligent things on the planet and they just sit in the middle of the road waiting to get burned.

[upbeat kiln]

@noble scarab Is a biologist

can we get an educated opinion? 😄

[frozen drift]

Ehh… looks more raven like

And sounds a bit more like a raven

[earnest jungle]

Honestly yeah

the beaks are larger

Like a ravens

[spiral mica]

Left is a crow and right is a raven

[native marlin]

someone get out the ruler

[upbeat kiln]

So.. do we have to retcon the Scrapbeak event to "As the Ravens Fly?"

[spiral mica]

[native marlin]

and pixel measurments

[earnest jungle]

No crows are right and ravens are left, ravens are bigger than crows

[spiral mica]

I asked the Daedric prince Nocturnal and she says they're crows. You cannot argue with a cosmic deity.

[noble scarab]

I vote that they’re supposed to be crows, but they’re made of approx 4 pixels so it’s hard to tell

I also agree that their behavior isn’t right for ravens

[frozen drift]

Perhaps the man who would become scrapbeak previously cared for crows but due to sculptor now ravens are coming to him

[noble scarab]

And give me a moment to check the species range of ravens

[spiral mica]

Their behavior is more like crows and they might look like ravens but that's easily just because of graphical limitation and error. I think they're supposed to be crows.

[noble scarab]

Ravens are not even in Louisiana, maybe Colorado tho

[earnest jungle]

Crytek is famously ignorant of American Geography

[upbeat kiln]

I am going to write Crytek a scathing e-mail at once

[earnest jungle]

The Mountains of DeSalle are proof of that

[spiral mica]

Ravens do indeed inhabit the state of Colorado but only in the west where they're more mountains.

[upbeat kiln]

They are Germans lol they just guess

[earnest jungle]

Also they had to retcon the Wayfarerer because they didn't know the Cascade Mountains are a real place in the United States

[spiral mica]

DeSalle feels like Arkansas to me even though signs indicate that it's supposed to be south of New Orleans.

[earnest jungle]

Actually it's north

[spiral mica]

Isn't there a sign in lower DeSalle that says it's south of New Orleans though?

[earnest jungle]

I don't know but in the song Dark in New Orleans which is about the backstory of the Port Suphur Band they're described as going South to New Orleans from DeSale

and we know they're coming from DeSalle because the Saloon mentioned in their backstory is in DeSalle

(Originally it was in Lawson Delta but that has since been retconned)

[noble scarab]

Someone said at one point that desalle was far west, basically in Texas

[native marlin]

al i know is im calling them crows until death, idc if they put a "RAVENS" sign on each of them

[spiral mica]

Well if DeSalle is indeed north of New Orleans that would make a little more sense but I distinctly recall something mentioning that it was actually intended to be south of New Orleans.

North of New Orleans is Arkansas and even further is Missouri.

[noble scarab]

We can argue all we want about locations but really crytek doesn’t know either

[spiral mica]

But I think there are signs in DeSalle that still say it's situated within Louisiana.

[spiral mica]

True and I can't really blame them either. Trying to determine the geographical data of a nation you only briefly visit of haven't visited at all would be difficult.

What's likely more important to them is that if the maps function correctly and look relatively pretty.

[earnest jungle]

I think it was originally speculated that DeSalle was somewhere in Arkansas, Tennese, Missouri, or Kentuky

Then the devs confirmed it was still in Louisiana

[upbeat kiln]

wait

what

[earnest jungle]

As far as I'm concerned though DeSalle is in the Upper South

[upbeat kiln]

DeSalle is in Louisiana??

[earnest jungle]

yeah it was in the very same stream where they revealed the map

[spiral mica]

Which makes sense from a developer standpoint. Even though DeSalle looks nothing like Louisiana it's clear that Louisiana was their intention because you have places like Pearl plantation which looks and feels very Louisiana.

I guess I shouldn't say DeSalle looks nothing like Louisiana because there are portions of it that do but most of it feels more Arkansas to me personally.

[noble scarab]

Fuck pearl, all my homies hate pearl

[earnest jungle]

I think they even acknowedged that the map doesn't really look like anywhere in Louisiana which makes wonder if the original intention was that it was going to be outside Louisiana and then someone at the top said no

[noble scarab]

The southern compounds feel decently swampy

Darins, then that area with the fishery (which is more in the middle)

[spiral mica]

Pearl is north and feels more swampy than Lower DeSalle, Quarry, Shipyard and Fort Bolden.

Honestly southern DeSalle feels more like someplace out West

[noble scarab]

Pearl just has the atmosphere and architecture

[spiral mica]

Lower DeSalle is like an old West town, Fort Bolden is like some frontier fortress, Quarry is all rocky terrain and Shipyard has some swampy parts but the most southern part of the compound is all rocky like Quarry too.

[earnest jungle]

Aha found my old speculations

[native marlin]

and this is why i love you guys in the lore channel

always interesting

[earnest jungle]

Oh and I've officially written a Novelette length fan fiction for a friend's Hunt OC

based on a piece of fan art of their oc and another hunter interacting

[orchid tangle]

ravens are cooler because they're bigger and it's a cooler name than crow

therefor they are ravens

[icy brook]

It’s kind of funny in Mammons Gulch how there is an oil field on top of a granitic mountain range, very pedantic yet kind of funny

[earnest jungle]

Demons did it

That's the answer to all the mysteries of Hunt Showdown

Why is there oil in Mammon's Gulch? demons did it. How come all of the rivers are only waist deep? Demons did it. Who repairs the windows, doors, and replenishes all of the lootabes? You better believe it demons.

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-emperor-palpatine-darth-sidious-star-wars-the-empire-gif-9375939820440229849

The Sculptor is a pathway to many abilities that some consider Unnatural

[icy brook]

The US government willing to invest in demonic resource sustainability before nuclear energy is the most realistic part of the Hunt lore

[earnest jungle]

Technically speaking if I remeber correctly it wasn't the government but a cabal of buisnessmen

I think it was implied in Scorched Earth that as the oil fields ran dry, the gold and silver veins were exhausted, the buisnessmen who ran Mammon’s Gulch turned to occultism.

[icy brook]

Carnagie and Rockefeller keep winning

[earnest jungle]

Yeah specifically Wyatt Preston was performing human sacrifices in an attempt to reinvigorate his oil fields

Eventually it worked transforming clay into oil

But it also created the Hellbourne

Which appears to basically be an immolator turbo charged by a bounty token into something much worse

[icy brook]

I need to read all the Mammons Gulch lore, I haven’t been playing or following since like June

[noble scarab]

In capitalist terms that’s still a very preferable result

Hell, I bet we could use the hellborn to make power somehow. The thing shoots out lava, use it to make steam and turn a turbine

[earnest jungle]

Upon rereading the lore I think it’s clear what the Hellbourne is: it’s an immolator turbo charged with a bounty token

[icy brook]

So the corruption of Mammons Gulch was introduced by these oil or gold barons and wasn’t organically taken over by the sculptor?

[earnest jungle]

I suspect it was a mix of the two

Much like DeSalle

There was already something there but it was the actions of human beings that really allowed to it grow into a problem.

[icy brook]

I like that concept

[real cedar]

They were playing around with shit and the Sculptor used it as an in with the massacre at Grizzly Lodge

[noble scarab]

The massacre was separate from the hellborn

We still don’t know what did that

[icy brook]

What happened at the lodge? Its such a cool compound

[noble scarab]

A bunch of guys got together with a bunch of bounty tokens, did something, and summoned a monster that ripped people in half

[icy brook]

Nice

[earnest jungle]

Oh and turns out the murder circus has been planned for a while now

There’s clear allusions to it now in Desolation’s Wake, and Scorched Earth… but I have the sneaking suspicion that what ever the writers had planned for that narrative was thrown into the chaos by the slashing or Hunt’s narrative team

And that’s how we ended up with the fucking Helio Stone and multiple events now with no fucking narrative reason to give a shit about any of the characters involved in this drama

Which if I’m being honest is why I haven’t been playing much recently. I played previous events even when I wasn’t a fan of the skins initially but the story actually gave me a reason to fucking care about the skins and the characters

[noble scarab]

what allusions were made to the circus in the other events?

aside from the circus in the 1st tides that was cast into the land of the dead

[earnest jungle]

There’s references to a circus crossing a desert in desolations wake, and Chapter Twelve of Scorched earth seems to be foreshadowing the murder Circus

This seems to be about the Murder Circus

[noble scarab]

Interesting

[earnest jungle]

Chapter 15 of Desolation’s Wake also has this

I don’t know what was originally planned maybe Postie was going to be a member of the murder cult, maybe the man who gave him the Heliostone was

It just pisses me off

[noble scarab]

Wonder if post was just added in last minute

[earnest jungle]

Because I can see some kind of outline for a story

[earnest jungle]

Doubt it

I don’t think a crossover like this is not a last minute kind of deal

There was clearly a plan and then someone(s) decided writers were a needless expense so now the lore is nothing more than an excuse for more crossovers that add fucking nothing to the game

They talk about what a massive deal this is for Hunt; and how this is their biggest most bestest event ever. But what is the legacy of this even going to be? What actually separates this event from all the ones before it.

Events used to celebrate anniversaries, or celebrate common holidays like christmas and halloween. An event that adds a new boss, or a new map, or new characters with new stories to tell. Whst does this event add?

A weapon that’s going away when event is done?

Limited time circus skins?

A new AI that’s presumably only staying around for this event?

This event will come and go and it’s only lasting legacy will be the time hunt sold out and slapped the face of a popular popstar on their game for no adequately explained reason

[granite shard]

I doubt those circus things were in reference to the murder circus stuff

[noble scarab]

It also kinda overshadows the last sell out, our beloved ghost face

[granite shard]

I think those threads has been concocted prior to post malone’s stuff

[earnest jungle]

How this event makes me pine for the days when I thought Ghost Face was the rock bottom

[orchid tangle]

this event at least brought me the most burning question on my mind now

who doesn't fit?
I've heard "at least malone fits hunt..." a good handful of times

[earnest jungle]

Oh if we’re talking skins yeah the Post Malone skins fit the vibe of the game

[orchid tangle]

it's only on clothing though

I own a duster and stetson, even 1800s styled, add me pretty please

[earnest jungle]

I too own a stetson

Come on give Auntie Rexli a skin

[orchid tangle]

if I get a skin I pinky promise to be nice to crytek for a week and a half

[earnest jungle]

I RESEARCHED 19TH CENTURY PLANTATION ARCHITECTURE FOR THIS GAME I DESERVE A SKIN /s

I write Fan fiction

I’ve written over ten thousand words in the past two weeks alone!

(this is a joke I might actually die of embarrassment if I got a skin I’m very camera shy)

[orchid tangle]

I had a western demon story in my head years before I found out about hunt and still often add to it in my head, I need to finally get down to writing it so it can collect dust in my docs

[earnest jungle]

Anyway returning to Post Malone I wouldn’t even give a crap if there was at least a story to go along with it. Anything can be justified with a good narrative.

But without the narrative

It feels like selling out because it doesn’t feel like this apart of anyone’s artistic vision

[orchid tangle]

I'm kinda glad there wasn't a story possible because from the little we get of it, to me at least, really seems like they just gave tide of corruption a new coat of paint

a talking stone takes over a group of people that love murder

replace chary with malone going after that stone and it's probably what they would've done

[earnest jungle]

And where I’m coming from that stuff only exists because there’s no story anymore

[icy brook]

I really hate how Post Malone’s name is used instead of a moniker

[orchid tangle]

they would never

the point is to get attention because celebrity

any it's hilarious because theres about a million advertisements for malone now

I'v eonly seen malone advertise hunt once and it was after the event started

[earnest jungle]

Isn’t that what they did with Postie for like Apex?

[orchid tangle]

I still wish we got clarification on what happened with infernal pact at the encounter with the death pact. THat's wayyyy too many cool characters to just kill off in a single sentence

and they were kinda vague with wording, as if they just "went down" or something

but I suppose it doesn't matter anymore

[earnest jungle]

Nope

[granite shard]

To my knowledge he was never mentioned in the game. All of the skins were characters in streetwear styles and I think he had a say in the aesthetics

It was a very well done collab

[orchid tangle]

for hunt, someone on reddit made a point I agree with fully, that this is like cryteks first time taking someone out on a date so they overdo everything and make them feel extremely special because they don't wanna mess up their first experience like this

[earnest jungle]

That’s actually a perfectly apt metaphor for any time crytek does anything dir the first time

Remember when they first introduced event boosters?

In the form of a consumable purchased with blood bonds that would give you a boost for exactly ☝️ mission

[orchid tangle]

the best feeling with early boosters is wanting to get off but you just reached a battlepass stage where you get an auto activating booster

[earnest jungle]

Oh that was just great

Remember when they were time locked?

[orchid tangle]

but you know what

the somnus was worth it

[earnest jungle]

I mean

Yeah

It was worth it

[orchid tangle]

my first event I really tried at

while I was also basically new because I didn't play consistently

was the holiday one that introduced devils advocate

and like a very smart child, I decided I'd do it allll on quickplay

did not get far

[earnest jungle]

Ooooof

Oh and whatever was going on Mammon’s Gulch I think Finch had some kind of connection given this comment from “Boss Man”

The final chapter really confirms what I suspected.

Preston and his friends did not bring the corruption to Colorado as much as they awoke it through ritual human sacrifices and the result of this was the transmutation of shale into oil and the birth of the Hellbourne.

Possibly multiple Hellbourne, or the same demon reforming every time

[orchid tangle]

From the way mountain man talks of it I'm assuming reforming

[earnest jungle]

Several Locations all seem to have a connection to the Hellbourne: Kingfisher Foundry, Preston Oil, Miner's Folly, Grizzly Lodge.

Theory: Preston's human sacrifices woke an ancient evil deep beneath the mountains with two consequences: clay was transmuted into unnatural petroleum, and that evil took physical form in the form of the Hellbourne.

Preston however places the birth of this creature in the Oil Fields, but evidence also suggests that something was accidentally summoned through the chimney of Grizzly Lodge

[spiral mica]

I'm just glad there are people that still want to discuss the lore before this channel possibly gets archived and despite the recent direction the game's narrative has taken.

[spiral mica]

The stuff that happened at grizzly lodge interests me but I can only speculate what could've happened. Maybe it was the Demented during Scorched Earth that summoned something there. I recently had someone who I was playing with tell me that it looked like there were large tracks of something, possibly a bear, leading away from the backside of the chimney leading outside and into the woods but unfortunately after searching myself I couldn't find any noticeable proof of tracks like that at all.

In my opinion it would've been much cooler if some Demented cultists summoned a bear, similar to the Ursa Mortis, inside grizzly lodge and it killed all of them and escaped into the woods. It could've been an introduction to a new wild target or new AI and everything but instead what we got was the murder circus.

I like Ursa Mortis but I don't like the whole circus theme very much especially when you throw Post Malone into the mixture and the funny thing is I could have tolerated the circus theme a lot better had Post Malone not been in it at all. The Ursa Mortis is definitely weird though. It's like a wild target in the sense that it's completely unique and there is seemingly only one roaming around the circus. It's also actually two bears fused into one monster and the individual bears do have names that I forgot. It's also got an interesting moveset where it charges at players, barreling through anything else nearby and knocking them down. It has a powerful roar that causes damage if you stand too close and much like a meathead targeting poisoned hunters the Ursa Mortis can target bleeding hunters. There's things about it that make it feel like a wild target but also feel like some new meathead AI monster.

[earnest jungle]

The Lodge was the location of a bounty repository and the dead cultists had sage wrapped around their bodies like the body of the man that Delacroix sent to the Pit.

From that I conclude that whatever happened there involved Preston and his “friends”

I have two possible theories: multiple Hellbourne born in multiple locatoons

Or

Bosses were already starting to emerge when the Hellbourne was birthed

[spiral mica]

I wouldn't think there'd be multiple Hellborn but I'm also not going to say there isn't the possibility that more could be created. We have a general idea of who the person is who became the Hellborn, though I don't remember his name he was one of the sacrifices mentioned in the event story.

[earnest jungle]

Delacroix

[spiral mica]

That's the guys name?

[earnest jungle]

He was the foreman at Kingfisher foundry

He carried out the replenishment rituals until he found out his targets were not bandits but completely innocent people

[spiral mica]

Good, I'll make a note to try and remember his name.

[earnest jungle]

He confronted Preston and Preston turned him into the last offering

Theory: in the oil fields Delacroix was transformed into the Hellbourne, and the chimney of Grizzly Lodge became the birthing canal of one or more of the bosses.

The Hellbourne is of but not created by the Sculptor much like Rotjaw

And whatever camethrough Grizzly Lodge was very much of the Sculptor

The Sage around thier wastes was not burnt so that rules out the Hellbourne and possibly the Butcher

[real cedar]

I think the Grizzly Lodge monster was originally going to be the bear but then they axed that idea and twisted it for the circus event

[earnest jungle]

That had crossed my mind

a tease of some kind of monster that was eventually reworked into the Death Bear

The something else that stunk of sage and ripped the Quarry hunter in half

Also just found this https://youtu.be/L1I0j5ZVGE8?si=WDM1P7RnSCSvNtzH

[spiral mica]

Yeah, Preston is not a good person and that fact is hinted at in the very first chapter of the event when Harold mentions that he can be quite endearing and that he favors the use of a spyglass over any weapon because he's always on the lookout for something new to expose and discover. The way Harold describes Preston gave me the impression that he wasn't the kind of person to get his hands dirty and that there was more to him than that meets the eye. It wasn't until later on in the event that my suspensions were proven correct.

[earnest jungle]

Future stories were likely intended to follow Preston, his "Friends," the contents of Preston's Journal, and the list of names Brewer wanted Hardin to investigate.

[spiral mica]

Yeah its funny you mentioned that because I initially thought Hellborn had done that but later on I realized that Greystone isn't even a location that Hellborn frequents so it must've been something else unless we're expected to believe that Hellborn can freely roam Mammon's gulch, which isn't something I'd rule out either.

[earnest jungle]

I kind of assume he can

but like that would be difficult to program

The hellbourne was definitely in Greystone because the burning foot prints that stunk of fire, burned meat, and iron also went there

[spiral mica]

I'm still curious if Statesman and Preaton had any connection at all. The archetype of secret societies benefitting from the supernatural has always interested me and I see that theme present in hunt as well.

[earnest jungle]

I should make a conspiracy web cause of what's building in my brain

Fuck it let’s go

[spiral mica]

Well if we're on the topic of conspiracy I've got a silly question. Is there any suggestions of vampires or something like a vampire in Hunt?

[real cedar]

Just the one easter egg in First Testimonial

[spiral mica]

Easter egg?

I'm unfamiliar with any vampire related easter egg in First Testimonial.

[real cedar]

They took the body getting stabbed with the stock of a rival 78 from the western side of Davant Ranch and placed it in a coffin on the lowermost crypt of First Testimonial, giving it the appearance of a vampire being staked in its coffin

[spiral mica]

Oh wow I can't believe I've never noticed that.

[noble scarab]

There’s another that’s burned and staked somewhere in kingsnake

On the outside, near some cliffs

I feel like there’s another body that’s staked somewhere, but I’m not sure

[spiral mica]

Yeah I suppose with it being an easter egg there probably isn't some larger narrative there to explain the potential existence of vampires or something like vampires in Hunt, because otherwise if there was that one guy that comes in here occasionally and continuously asking about aliens in Hunt would have proper cause to claim that simple easter eggs have a definitive effect on the game's narrative.

[noble scarab]

aliens mention

[spiral mica]

But heeey we got zombie clowns in the game so who knows? Maybe we'll get vampires and aliens at some point too...

[noble scarab]

it hasnt happened in awhile but we did have a bunch of guys come in asking about ghouls

[spiral mica]

ghouls?

[noble scarab]

yea, theyd just come in here and ask for lore on them and when they'd be added to the game

[spiral mica]

like demons? or Tokyo ghoul type stuff?

[noble scarab]

i have no idea what they were trying to ask about

[spiral mica]

which is pretty much just glorified vampires anyways

[noble scarab]

i think the original islamic ghoul is something different, let me check

ghūls basically are vampires that eat flesh instead of blood

so a zombie but different

and of no relation to anything in hunt atm

[spiral mica]

I know there's references to other myths like Rougarou, Mauthe Doog and even the Kraken but most of those references are presented through the descriptions of weapon skins.

[noble scarab]

if anything vampires sound like theyd fall into the witch category in terms of the huntverse

tho i could see vampires just being a thing too, if witches and thunderbirds are

[spiral mica]

Ah that makes sense. The spelling of it was throwing me off. Yeah, many different cultures around the world have references to what we would call a vampire. Islam has ghuls, China has Jiangshi and Romania and other parts of Europe of course has "Wampyr" or vampires.

[noble scarab]

those romanian and eastern european ones are fun

[spiral mica]

I know Lynch is technically this sort of sea witch but would consider Frau Perchta and Thorn Wreath are also witches or just hunters masquerading as the legendary folktale figures? Similar to how Henry Trapp isn't actually Krampus but just a dude using the appearance.

[noble scarab]

those hunters are just taking on the aspect of their respective namesakes

lynch is the only one thats not human and never was

[spiral mica]

not just Europe but the entire world has such interesting folklore. It's my aim to visit places like Bran Castle and explore the history of these places in more detail.

[spiral mica]

Okay so that's what i figured as well but I didn't know if there was any proof or information I was missing that would hint otherwise.

[earnest jungle]

This is my attenpt to chart things out

[spiral mica]

I like your little symbols for the pacts

[earnest jungle]

Pacts on the edge are meant to indicate they have a connection but a bit of a distanced connection

[spiral mica]

It's funny how I can recognize pretty much all of them

[noble scarab]

anyone play drg? if so, thats a loot bug in the bottom left above the moon

[earnest jungle]

And colors go from least hostile (green) to most hostile (red)

[spiral mica]

I don't but I can kinda see it yeah lol

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/lootbug-deep-rock-galactic-my-beloved-meme-my-beloved-bug-gif-25937565

[earnest jungle]

The AHA gives the Buiseness Cult bounties and in exchange the buisness cult gives them money

[spiral mica]

you should circle every pact in red and have red arrows protruding from Demented and into every other pact.

I'd say the most hostile pacts are definitely probably Demented, Infernal and Primal.

[earnest jungle]

I have no proof of this but I feel confident that Jabez, Chary, Finch, Huff, and Lynch had some kind of connection to the buisness cult

After all Hacksaw Jack was pretty confident working with Jabez would get him rich

I also have an idea on some other potential members but this is all vibes based.

[spiral mica]

I mean with most of them being AHA they do have connections to each other it's just a question if they still currently have that connection or if it's a now former connection.

correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Chary drop Finch into a gaping hole?

[noble scarab]

he did

[spiral mica]

Yeah so like I said I'm pretty sure most of if not all of them have some sort of connection with each other in some way shape or form.

[earnest jungle]

There are degrees of separation involving some of the pacts. The Night of the Hunt was origianlly apart of the AH but spit away, same with the Primals. The Lunar pact had members of the AHA in it but was founded by Kevin Linus who was never a member. The Drowned are an entierly independent group that collaborated with the AHA but is most interested in keeping the Graven Path Closed, and the Demented are also seemingly founded completely indepentent of the AHA

Friends bringing in frineds bringing in friends until you reach the point that the people initating new hunters aren't even with the AHA really

[spiral mica]

What about grounded and wilderness. Wouldn't they be independent from the AHA?

[noble scarab]

or people like skulltaker, just stealing his way into the bayou

grounded should have people from the aha in it, same for wilderness, not that the aha really contributed to their founding

[spiral mica]

my headcanon is that Skulltaker joined up with the Primal because of what he does. He enjoys the thrill of the hunt and the pride of taking trophies. Felis taught Centipede the value of a similar outlook on life.

[earnest jungle]

Wilderness yes, Grounded are sort of half in half out

they were originally the pact of people who wanted to stay out the Lunar-Infernal War

[spiral mica]

Well hang on, is Mountain man currently or formerly a AHA member? If he was that would loosely connect the wilderness pact to the AHA.

[noble scarab]

hes formerly

[spiral mica]

so that would very loosely connect wilderness to AHA and possibly be the only connection.

[noble scarab]

in theory anyway, he was one of the older hunters that were around when the aha was in control

[spiral mica]

other than that wilderness is independent like Primal and Demented

[earnest jungle]

I see the Mountain Man as separate because he didn't call on the AHA for help he called on his adpoted children for help

[spiral mica]

Some of the pacts have loose connections like this like how Bone Doctor and Felis have relations and Felis is Primal and it was Bone Doctor who told the Lunar pact about burning that one type of flower in the Devil's moon event story.

[earnest jungle]

Perhaps his experiences in Louisiana with the brothers and the fighting disillusioned him towards the AHA

[spiral mica]

I think after all that's happened a lot of hunters would be disillusioned with the AHA

Whereas other hunters don't care and are simply in it for the wealth it brings

[earnest jungle]

Also doesn't help that by 1896 the Louisiana Branch of the AHA doesn't really exist anymore

Finch disolved the Branch sometime prior to his death

[noble scarab]

all the branches on the east coast are gone

[earnest jungle]

All the ones we know about

[noble scarab]

that just leaves the western one, which i think is the only one left

[earnest jungle]

Is there a western one?

I knew there was a New York and Louisiana Branch

[noble scarab]

i think it was mentioned somewhere

[earnest jungle]

Anyway I've long suspected the existence of the Buisness cult

All the way back in 2018 I began theorizing that there was some cabal of buisness men dabbling in occult practices to enrich themselves

I was confident that Henrik Graf - a prominent member and background character - was one of the members of the cult.

And maybe the Blanchets and Peter Rorche

but those two i was less confident on

Same with the DeSalles

On a side note it is I feel a missed opportunity that they didn't make the Butcher's Clever Peter Roche - the former proprieter of the slaughterhouse who was strongly implied to be the Butcher

[gilded umbra]

The Sculptor works in mysterious ways

[icy brook]

I still wish the demented pact had to defend bosses, it would have been such an interesting mechanic

[earnest jungle]

If they ever made a Hunt Showdown RPG I think it would be interesting if bounty tokens could be used like to enhance your character and stuff

But that's not really something I think could be feasibly added to the game

[noble scarab]

if you like ttrpgs, theres deadlands, which would fit hunt exactly

[earnest jungle]

I decided to explore gizzly to look for any references to this and… nope

[earnest jungle]

Okay I decided to compile all of the "lore" in game for the Event

I don't ever want to hear another word about how story chapters were padding the event

Orange and Pink indicate a skin is agnostic, and Red indicates that I'm pretty sure that gun was a rejected Scorched Earth Weapon they decided to add to the game

There are 28 skins in this battle pass

and of those skins

10 Count 'em 10 are literally just the same skin repeated on a different variant

Oh and that's not counting charms, emotes, and standard weapon and ammo unlocks

which there are no repeats of

[native marlin]

i absolutely love the lore, im not a super studier like some people in here, but i at least went through and got all the lore bits (besides rotjaws 5th bc i could never find her and was less than 5 off when they cut off her spawning that one weekend on sunday, im still made about it) but im very interested!! i love knowing all i can about the lore

[earnest jungle]

We get 22 weapons, 5 consumables, 3 tools, and 4 charms on this battle pass of which: 59% are agnostic weapons repeated as individual entries and 40% are agnostic consumables repeated as individual entries giving us an end total of 41% of the legendaries on this battle pass being agnostic skins repeated as individual entries.

And yes it was the Story Chapters that was padding out the battle passes

Anyway I did all of this because some delusional part of me thought there might be a coherent story for the murder circus to be found in the flavor text

And when that didn't pan out I realized that a bunch of these were just agnostic skins and I became curious as to how much of this battlepass is just agnostic skins

[spiral mica]

It's funny how out of those 22 weapons, 5 consumables, 3 tools, 4 charms and 4 hunters I only care about 3 things in that battle pass.

1. krag inspect animation 2. hellfire bomb skin 3. krag silencer skin

that 1865 carbine skin and the dolch claw skin are cool but I don't really run those guns and I like the veil slasher dolch claw skin much better than this one

[earnest jungle]

Anyway the lore for this whole event is: Post Malone had a circus, a short man gave him the heliostone and now they’re a murder circus led by harlequin and the joker.

That’s it

That’s the entire story of the biggest event in the history of Hunt Showdown

That little blurb

I can feel it

I can feel myself turning into the joker

Talkrock save me

https://tenor.com/view/roundhouse-kick-death-bear-bear-regular-show-gif-20240740

We got death bear and three different clowns

I need to spend tomorrow finishing my fic or I’m going to lose my mind

[upbeat kiln]

I can't get over that bear doing a spinning hook kick lol

[visual finch]

Honestly, that's the only way to deliver a kick like that

[orchid tangle]

regular show got away with a lot of shit

[earnest jungle]

Oh oh how could I forget

The murder circus travels through the land of the dead

HOW?

fuck you that's how

the new Talkrock did

Somewhere on the moon Chary is screaming

all of his labarythian plots, his plans within plans within plans, years of effort to open the graven path

And now a bunch of circus clowns are just waltzing in and out free as they may

[granite shard]

There’s a lore backing with shadow step being lotd traversal

[earnest jungle]

Really?

I didn't know that

Funny idea

Charry got the Murmur Stone and the Helio Stone mixed up

Charry spent two years of his life looking for the wrong occult artifact because of some kind of translation error

[topaz mirage]

REAL?! Aliens? in hunt... ... !!!! real... maybe...

[lucid anvil]

Ngl, I appreciate the effort for a shitpost lol

[spiral mica]

It's getting old

[lucid anvil]

They’re persistent, that’s for sure.

[orchid tangle]

tbf, this is exactly the situation you'd read out of an 1800s history lesson

[earnest jungle]

Ancient accounts record the Helio Stone as the Lapis Sol, which was abbreviated as Lap. S. by medieval scribes which was then confused with the Lapis Susurros (murmurstone) which was abbreviated as Lap. Sus.

[acoustic whale]

aliens in hunt confirmed??

[orchid tangle]

primary sources

my only weakness

[acoustic whale]

hunt and crysis same universe? ceph alien reveal? dormant ceph technology confirm??

[earnest jungle]

I was inspired by the fact there are like three or four different competing hypothesis for when Mount Vesuvius erupted based on the ambiguity of the abbreviation of the date given by Pliny the Younger in a letter.

[warm quartz]

Omg why does Silver Spur look like crackhead femboy in game

Last time I buy dlc without checking the ingame model

[visual finch]

#feedback

[earnest jungle]

I decided to look up information on Port Sulphur and

turns out the town was founded as a company town in 1933

Which is... a couple years after the game takes place

So for my fic I decided to invent a new different Port Sulphur that doesn't exist on any maps

[icy brook]

It would be cool to have a Port Royal style settlement that is only known by hunters

Mostly so I can avoid taxes in game

[high stone]

Got an image?

[high stone]

That’s a neat idea, maybe a code word for a meeting location

[warm quartz]

Redneck for comparison

[river socket]

Is grotesque a cannibal?

[earnest jungle]

Because he has TB what do you expect him to look like?

[earnest jungle]

probably?

[topaz mirage]

Aliens

[spiral mica]

Can I get confirmation if Devil's moon was in fact the first event that featured fully voice acted event stories?

[granite shard]

Tide of shadows was more properly

Serpent’s moon I believe had voice over

ToS is when we got canon voices for the characters

[warm quartz]

I doubt it

Unless he is a very small bite cannibal

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I remember tide of shadows well but I also remember Devil's moon having some of Skinflint and Chary iirc

[granite shard]

They ended up swapping voice actors for chary when we got tide of corruption which is why I count ToS as the first proper one they really went for getting canon voices for the characters in

[river socket]

Idk the description mentioned hunting for food in the bayou or something because he lived off rotted flesh

And it’s not like there’s much on the menu

[spiral mica]

Grotesque didn't show up until Mammon's gulch and he wasn't mentioned in the Scorched Earth story.

[river socket]

I know I’m trying to remember the description

I can’t find it in game after buying it

[noble scarab]

he was innocent, but locked into the helmet and kept in a pit till felis pulled him out, but by then he was nuts. he later changed his helmet and outfit a tiny bit

[spiral mica]

Just like Shade went from Highnoon to Drifter after he was burnt and thrown down a shaft and somehow he survived.

[granite shard]

I don’t know how much we can consider that canon for him

Things shown in trailers tend to be dubiously canon

[spiral mica]

I think some of it Canon like most of the hunter trailers but event trailers sometimes don't feel Canon to me.

Lonely howl's trailer is a good example because in a subsequent trailer we see Luna and Dire wolf searching for clues after his massacre of that trio.

[granite shard]

But for shade there’s really nothing in either his drifter or high noon lore that seems to imply him getting set on fire and sent down a hole

It feels more like that was setting up what was going on with Delacroix and stuff

[orchid tangle]

my problem with the shade stuff is he's already wrapped up when he first gets to mammons but the part of him being pushed down the shaft is mammons, I believe at least

[spiral mica]

Fair point, the only thing I could see supporting the implication that he was burned is the fact that his drifter variant has his face covered with wrappings which reminds me a lot of how someone like Joshua Graham, who was also burned, covers his face.

[spiral mica]

His highnoon variant is pushed down the shaft and that's the one without any face coverings and it's his drifter variant that we see drowning the two hunters that seemingly pushed him down the shaft.

[granite shard]

drifter is the variant with the wrappings and high noon is the progression skin from him

[orchid tangle]

yeah but in the reveal trailer thingie he comes off the train with the bandages and talks like he's enver been in mammons before

[granite shard]

we see his face in high noon and it's unburnt

I don't think there's really anything in his bio/appearance to suggest he actually was burnt and sent down a mineshaft but that the scene of that happening in the trailer was more to represent the stuff happening to delacroix and whatnot, and also to look sick in a trailer

[orchid tangle]

do we know why his glasses have thr third lens

[granite shard]

fashion

[orchid tangle]

is that some weird thing people actually did back then or is it like a spiritual thing

[spiral mica]

Shade's drifter variant is the one that we see killing the two hunters that supposedly pushed him down the shaft. Aside from the fact that his face is covered I don't think there's anything that indicates he was burned.

[spiral mica]

People did wear sunglasses back then but none with a third lense that I know of. I think that part is just purely rule of cool.

[orchid tangle]

I assumed it was like a spiritual third eye type of thing

[spiral mica]

Unless Shade has a third eye I don't think those sunglasses are very practical

[granite shard]

I mean having a third lens doesn't do anything to stop the functionality of the sunglasses

[orchid tangle]

he should give them to prescient

[granite shard]

it just looks silly

[spiral mica]

I don't really see Shade being the overly spiritual type. From my understanding he's just a show performer turned outlaw/hunter.

[orchid tangle]

yeah I get you

I just don't trust crytek because the man who weaponized dark sight into technology wears pumpkins

[spiral mica]

Rai seems to believe he's a take on Clint Eastwood too which given the information he's provided I tend to agree with him.

[orchid tangle]

too bad he's not in the same region with rat

[brazen root]

You don't need to see with your actual eyes when you're a dark sight expert!

[earnest jungle]

Interesting

Sorry my above post has been censored

What’s the over under on the LeMat Carbine and Martini Ironsides Masteries get added to the official archive… given their… contents

[native marlin]

id assume they will, i dont see why theyd write them and then decide "no actually this is too progressive for us"

[earnest jungle]

I’ll have a lot of respect for Crytek if they are brave enough to stand by their writing but I’ll be honest I’m a cynic and expect nothing but cowardice from game’s companies

[native marlin]

thats fair, ig well have to see!

[warm quartz]

Ochenkov's widow is a weapon?

[granite shard]

I thought it was pretty obvious that chary made her to be basically a living weapon

She basically existed to protect him

[upbeat kiln]

And to fist Kevin

[granite shard]

My poor son’s heart got popped like a water balloon

Rip Mary ochenkov you would have loved squishy stress toys

[spiral mica]

Mary Ochenkov would've made a good X-man

[spiral mica]

I sort of miss the intractable totems and the lore behind them. Those effigies in Devil's moon were corpses encased in clay and harvested souls and the shipwreck pieces from the Delphine that the early Demented cultists created.

I forgot what the ones from tide of desolation were but I remember they would also glow red whenever enemy hunters were nearby.

I like how you don't have to go out of your way to gather event points anymore by killing the special infected but I also feel like we lost a cool concept with the totems no longer being a part of the game.

[queen depot]

What do people know about the corvid hunters? I've had a really hard time finding lore on them for the most part.

[earnest jungle]

Witch ones?

The plague doctors or the demented?

The plague doctors are affiliates of the Plague Doctor introduced in as the Crow Flies and like him seek to combat disease and corruption through a combination of mysticism and science

The Demented are worshipers of the Scrapbeak who were connected to but distinct from the Butcher’e Clever’s cult that worshiper the Butcher.

[spiral mica]

Pretty sure the corvid hunters are also death pact members too

[earnest jungle]

On a side note does anyone else find it a little disappointing that the bounty tokens are apparently just coins?

[queen depot]

I'm like 90% sure it's the plauge doctors and not the demented

The "corvid:bile" skin mf

[earnest jungle]

That's why I asked

I wasn't sure who you meant

[queen depot]

Yeah, that makes sense lmao. I realise my phrasing was vauge

[granite shard]

There’s not a heck of a lot, they’re in a couple of book of weapons entries post-desolation’s wake (I think marathon?) and also had a longer piece on the hunt site https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/brood-bile

[queen depot]

Oh that's awesome thank you! I'm gonna deep dive into the bread crumbs lmao

[thick nova]

i love how they ditched this story

as like they DITCHED ALL THE STORIES

[orchid tangle]

I just want hunt dollars to be gold again

[earnest jungle]

Wait what?

[orchid tangle]

I didn't play when it was a thing (so I guess it could also be a hoax like no aperture nitro)

but I was always told it used to be gold

which sounds a lot fucking better than hunt dollars which is just monopoly money in my head

[spiral mica]

Earlier we were talking about Grotesque but I'm curious if anyone else besides me had the misconception that his variants were actually two separate people like the corvid and trapper hunters.

This image is from the skins trailer for Scorched Earth and I remember thinking this was going to be another pair of individual hunters.

One thing that makes me curious though is since there isn't a focus on hunters being pledged to a particular pact anymore I wonder which pact Grotesque belonged to during Scorched Earth. At first glance I would've said Demented just because of his grotesque appearance but because his lore includes him being rescued by Felis maybe she convinced him to join the Primal pact like how she convinced Centipede in Desolation's wake.

[noble scarab]

I also thought they were going to be 2 different hunters

Previously they hadn’t depicted variants of the same hunter in the same exact image

[granite shard]

I think everyone assumed they were two separate people lol

the common consensus was that one would be a girl and the other a guy since they had been doing a lot of pairs with different genders (and seemingly going back through the roster and adding alt gender options for other hunters like the redneck's daughter, prodigal son, and hex breaker)

[spiral mica]

Perchta was technically depicted in the same way but considering her lore and appearance it was easy to surmise that she was a single person. However, Perchta and Grotesque are the only two hunters I know that have been depicted like this.

[orchid tangle]

I thought it'd be a woman and man because they look so similiar it feels like a waste to make two veery similiar outfits for the same dude

[noble scarab]

Are the two variant really even that much different? one has slightly more or less belt buckles than the other and a slightly different mask?

Having two of the almost exactly the same hunter just serves to dilute the pool of random hunters you could get from prestige or something

[spiral mica]

I thought their outfits were relatively okay but the choice of head appearance was very strange because there's basically no difference aside from the eye slots on the helmet. Pretty much every other paired hunter has a very clear difference with their headgear but Grotesque is the only one that doesn't. Hawkshaw Jack and Private eye are also pretty similar but the names of their hunters and the fact that they're different genders makes it perfectly clear. I'm fairly certain that the whole deal with the names of the hunters being the name itself and then the individual variants started with the Perchta dlc with Dusk and Dawn.

[spiral mica]

No, aside from those two differences you pointed out there is pretty much nothing else different about them. I did notice one appears dirtier than the other and for a bit I thought one was sleeveless and the other wasn't but after looking closer they are both indeed sleeveless and the fact that one was dirtier and more belt straps gave me the impression it had sleeves.

[noble scarab]

There was viper too, I think he was before perchta, or maybe that same year

[granite shard]

Perchta and viper were both sold as evolving hunters tho

Like it makes sense that the viper’s skins were just them in four different outfits bc that was kinda the point of an evolving hunter, same w perchta, and that got lost with the other ones that were two different people

It feels like with the scourges & corvids they could have just done what they did with earlier DLCs and had the dlc just include two different hunters but they wanted to get use out of the evolving hunter gimmick

Grotesque and red hood feel like they were meant to be evolving hunters but they just fully got rid of those in 1896… which is wild

[eternal grove]

Do we have any other lore about the Meridian Turncoat outside of the lore texts from the DLC?

[spiral mica]

Viper was part of the moon trilogy but I forget if Serpent's moon was 2021 or 2022. Perhcta was Devil's moon which was around Christmas time so maybe they are the same year.

[granite shard]

Serpent’s moon was 2022

Viper was the first evolving hunter

[spiral mica]

The thing is Viper and Perchta had clear differences. Grotesque is a hunter that makes you stop and think what's different about it?