lore-discussion

[real cedar]

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Every game, I can feel my lorebooks, my bios, and even my event stories... the lore I've lost.. You feel it too, don't you?

[mystic lake]

Hi.

[icy kettle]

Hey guys!

[rose mountain]

Howdy howdy. Trying not to be a grump and play the game but it just feels too different to me now :l

[spiral mica]

I'm surprised it's still here tbh

[green pollen]

We could’ve had it all, but we lost a game we didn’t even want to play. A gamble we had no say in

[eternal grove]

The keepers of the ancient texts of Hunt lore live here.

[upbeat kiln]

Question: Is Worm Bite an undertaker?

[topaz mirage]

Can anyone tell me anything more about the secret alien mystery at kingsnake mine?

[real cedar]

Undertaker usually means funeral director, someone who handles the business and rites of funerals.
The rites part and how Worm Bite buries bodies in Stillwater may be enough for someone to call him that colloquially, but idk if he would consider himself one rather than a gravedigger who does his own rites for unclaimed dead.

[upbeat kiln]

Thank you, Rai ❤️

[upbeat kiln]

Can someone catch me up: where have we landed in terms of consensus for the many stages of event lore? Is it canon (and if so - what is the timeline like?) or is it Collins-style in-game novelty that hasn't actually happened within the universe?

Or have we not landed on a conclusion yet? 😄

Don't make me ping the three wise men lol

[real cedar]

I think there are degrees to them.
The trilogies are generally canon in the sense that something happened in them that had rippling effects - Kevin Linus is reportedly seen traveling with Hail Mary and the Witch Hunter in the LeMat Marksman Mastery, Mr. Chary obviously continued to exist, his issues with Finch that he first aired in Serpent Moon get expanded on and Drowned Rat noted he has a feud with The Moon, so the key players of the Moon Trilogy are known to exist, thus the Lunae Diaboli dime novel story was based on something but the writing style of it puts it more in the Collins camp.

I'd say Devil's Moon + The Tide Trilogy was the foundation of the "new narrative", everything since then has been very interconnected and moving in a mostly singular direction, and the stories are built like the weapon masteries where everything comes from an epistolary-style transcribed first hand source unless noted to be a dime novel like the last chapter of Scorched Earth. There's some weight of evidence to everything in the stories.

The earliest and latest events are more of a limbo. Light the Shadow and As the Crow Flies don't really exist cause they had no effect on anything, and Harvest of Ghosts and Murder Circus have the trappings of a story but again don't seem to be related to anything that's been set out - Maybe Murder Circus will have a story and prove me wrong (man I hope not).

The giant knot that Huff caused is still stuck in the middle of the timeline, but if you ignore that (after all, it could all become not canon tomorrow if Crytek said so) the New Narrative is largely intact, albeit logically unsound with how big the gaps are. Devil's Moon happened at some point, Tide of Shadows happened in June-July 1895, Tide of Corruption in November 1895, Tide of Desolation maybe immediately after that, Desolation's Wake might be in the new year, and then Scorched Earth all the way in August 1896.

[granite shard]

I believe he is— if you go to Stillwater (the compound) he overtook an old undertaker’s shop and crossed out the person’s name and wrote his over it so it’s now “worm bite’s undertaker” iirc

The same building has an ad for the phantom’s lawyer job on it

[real cedar]

Oh shit I've never seen that, I gotta go take a look

[granite shard]

It’s delightful, I really love the small details like that on Stillwater

It’s the smaller of the two houses connected w the plank on the roof

[upbeat kiln]

I see. Appreciate it. 😄 ❤️

I wonder what will come of later events, if they plan to implement the lore again. If they will pick up on prior event lore, or simply continue from another point.

[granite shard]

On the south side

I think if they do continue the story, they’d pick it up from where it’s left off

[upbeat kiln]

Awesome, man. Thank you ❤️

[real cedar]

I really hope they pick it back up, we were so close to coming full circle with Lynch and the Twins coming on the scene.

[granite shard]

I was chatting w a friend who had been on the writing team abt some stuff and they had mentioned that stuff will get cut from final releases but is generally still seen as canon on the backend for world building (and i believe in the story bible) so like it would make sense to me that they’d pick up where they left off w stuff

[noble scarab]

I refuse to believe they have an internal consistency book

[granite shard]

I mean like the only giant inconsistencies are the timeline which clashes with huff and then potentially black coat & BC/beekeeper but BC is easily explained and there was likely a purpose to those two being brought up in SE

We just never got to see where it’s going lol

[upbeat kiln]

haha usually I'm the negative Nancy around here, Tib

[granite shard]

And like I know for a fact there’s a story bible and I wish desperately that I could see it

I wanna know what the plan was

[real cedar]

It's standard practice to have a story bible.
Whether they actively use it and keep a running memory of everything to help them sniff out contradictions is another thing entirely.
I compiled the compendium 9 months ago and have been writing up explanations for a whole lot of it since then and even then I regularly forget core parts and confidently say totally wrong things. Imagine what a 6 year story bible looks like in comparison, and the memories split between a rotation of narrative designers

[noble scarab]

I’m imagining a stack of post it notes

[real cedar]

Memento level stuff

[upbeat kiln]

hahahahaha

[upbeat kiln]

The amount of work you've put in that compedium alone makes you qualified as a member of the narrative team dude lol

[warm quartz]

The amount of work he put in that compedium makes him qualified to attend a psychiatric institution

[real cedar]

I wonder if Narrative QA is a thing 🤔

[warm quartz]

Crytek themselves don't care as much about the lore

[granite shard]

Seeing as it was fully deleted from the game

[warm quartz]

At this point I'm certain hunt's lore is just some intern's fanfics he snuck into the game

And crytek just fixed the lore bug

Speak of fanfics, do you guys want a free read of my Hardin x Felis work?

[upbeat kiln]

is it filthy?

[warm quartz]

"Hardin's abbs were glistening in the moonlight, his chiseled body reflected his inner beauty"

"Felis was there too I guess"

[upbeat kiln]

I hate you

[sinful bloom]

I'm curious to see if or how the twins come back cause wasn't the last time heard from em was after they killed lynch?

[warm quartz]

Banished

[real dove]

I'm starting to wonder if the post Malone stuff will be in any way related to the 'old lore'. Assuming we get more post Malone dime novel stuff

[warm quartz]

I think it's clearly stated that they knew they couldn't kill Lynch

[real dove]

Or if we're just gonna get a series of talking rocks and people trying to kill them

[granite shard]

I don’t think we’re gonna get much of anything

[granite shard]

The twins have been in contact with a few hunters post lynch stuff. Most recently Jos and Hail Mary had been in communication via letters

[earnest jungle]

If post malone gets us the old lore back I’ll build a shrine to him in my room

[real dove]

The last fight they had ended up in a tie, no?

[upbeat kiln]

Lynch ran to the other side

[real dove]

Yeah

[upbeat kiln]

She would have lost in this realm

[real dove]

Sorry, I guess I meant it wasn't a loss for the twins

[real cedar]

And ever since then, she hasn't been back to our world as far as we know

[real dove]

Gotcha

[upbeat kiln]

They only got the better of her because the sun was in her eyes

Lynch can't lose

[granite shard]

Yeah we’ve only seen her in the land of the dead afterwards. It’s possible she’s out since the witch hunter started planning her revenge

But we will likely never see that followed up on unless crytek has a massive change of heart

[earnest jungle]

She did have some kind of connection to Gar and given that Enola’s journal eventually found its way into the possession of the AHA…

[spiral mica]

So with all that being said do you think that all the current lore could be pieced together into one narrative or do you think something akin to what Star wars did where a separation between Canon material and legend material should be established aka the new stuff separated from the old stuff?

[granite shard]

stuff had been moving to be pieced together into one narrative

if they just futzed with the timeline and pushed huff's death back to 94 there really wouldn't be a big timeline issue going on

[real cedar]

I think the timeline knot oughta get smoothed out with some effort as Smalls says, that would help connect everything back together, and also help justify those two weird points in the timeline where 1893 is part of when the Hunt is active.
If not, then the alternative is to treat it not as a split, but as a run, akin to comics. It's all happening in the same universe, there's been no indication that the characters we're watching now are different from the past, but at the same time since the writers changed and the story is focusing elsewhere, there's no throughline between past arcs and the present.

[upbeat kiln]

Do we have any major plot events happening between Vincent Orsica disappearing around 1891-1892, and then the Yellow Fever "incident" in 1894?

[lucid anvil]

Talkrock 3: coming this summer
lol

[lucid anvil]

Actually that’s a point- what’s up with lynch at the moment? I think she was mentioned in some recent events, so unless these are set before lynch died… I’ve not read through all of the lore, so you’ll have to bear with me I’m afraid lol

Heh
“Bear”
Death bear

[real cedar]

It's not exactly major but the Haymaker Mastery describes a guy travelling to Louisiana in May of 1893 to kill the rumored Bayou Boogeyman. He travels through a plague-ridden area, sees the corpse of a Hive, and then barely survives a fight with the Assassin. Two hunters that come to his aid offer to share the bounty if he'll take a shot and an oath. He tells em to fuck off and leaves Louisiana.
It's very odd in the timeline, pushing both the Hunt itself and the start of Boss Targets back a year and a half.

[lucid anvil]

Ah- wait, never mind lol

[granite shard]

Lynch is in the land of the dead meddling w shit, she made the drowned and had a plan to have them bring sacrifices into the land of the dead so she could gain more power but they kinda outsmarted her and were victorious in their fight against the big bug. She’s also the witch who killed the witch hunter’s family

So the witch hunter brought the hex breaker into the fray to start going after her

If the narrative hadn’t been killed it’s likely the story rn would be focused on her

[upbeat kiln]

Yeah.. I was about to say.. Grunts show up in Louisiana at the beginning of 1895, and Hives don't show up until later. So is that a writing error, or is there something else going on?

[lucid anvil]

Right, yeah, yeah! That’s right, I’m remembering now lol. Thank you. :)

[spiral mica]

I could actually see them treating it like a run where it's just a time jump between 1893-1896 and only focusing on the major events and stories between that time.

[noble scarab]

Lynch got retconned to be a witch rather than some other non human entity

[upbeat kiln]

:(((

[noble scarab]

Tho I guess you could argue witches in hunts world are non human entity but those early entries made it seem like lynch was more akin to the sculptor

[granite shard]

Wasn’t she referred to as a witch fairly early on

[spiral mica]

Also, this is easily one of the greatest masterys we have despite the strange narrative. My biggest question about this mastery was how he was able to survive in the plague-ridden Bayou and the only conclusion I could've surmised was he had a natural immunity like William Moses, the Redneck.

[native marlin]

i believe so yea, thats one of my first memmories of her

[granite shard]

Maybe I’m misremembering but I’m fairly certain something like the phantom’s entries called her one at some point

[noble scarab]

She was called a witch by means of saying she was a woman doing magic, not whatever the current definition is

The current one seems more like a skin changer or boo hag

[granite shard]

I guess I just don’t see it as conflicting w her setup

[real cedar]

Rexi brought up a really good bit of lore about Lynch, the Incidental Tarot card meanings. In the Machete mastery she draws cards and one is described as The Red King, "her own card". The meaning: "Ability to manifest energy of the unseen world: to bring forth and utilize its power on earth."
Rather than being something inhuman, it seems the intention was always along the lines of a witch

[spiral mica]

I was gonna say in a way she is pretty much another otherworldly entity like the Sculptor and the moon. Not sure if I'd consider Chary among that list because he's probably either dead or gone but his goal to become an otherworldly entity, basically a God was more or less similar to what Lynch achieved.

[noble scarab]

Depending on how true BATS is Lynch just kind of appeared as a child, but we also see her die and return at least once before her duel with the twins

Chary wanted to be like lynch

[spiral mica]

I'm curious if Lynch could be the 3rd planned wild target since we pretty much know the bear is just new AI

[noble scarab]

And he decides to fight the moon about it

[upbeat kiln]

If we ever got to see Lynch in any shape or form in Hunt: Showdown - I would seriously die happy

[granite shard]

I just wanna see my boy chary

[spiral mica]

Yeah the narrative between the moon trilogy and the tidal trilogy is weird because the lunar pact kind of just dissappears from the story and you've got little stuff like Mary Ochenkov defecting from Infernal to Demented with seemingly no explanation.

[granite shard]

Crytek lives in fear of what I will do w a canon chary design and that’s why we’ve never gotten one

[spiral mica]

Hasn't it been speculated that she could be a boss or wild target for the longest time now?

I only started playing this game during serpents moon and I could swear people were talking about it back then too

[upbeat kiln]

I think she is the baddest bitch in all of the lore. Nothing even comes close for me. I wish Crytek would throw Lynch in there.

and make her fucking OP

let her kick all of our asses

[spiral mica]

I've always assumed Chary is this well dressed Cajun man with a black suit, coat and tophat.

[granite shard]

I have HCs for what he looks like as well, I just want a firm canon design lol

[noble scarab]

I think they basically meant for Timothy stone to be chary, but not British and as old

We see his silhouette I think in one of kevs trailers and they used stone’s model as I recall

[spiral mica]

I love the heavy Cajun accent in tide of corruption

The way he says "Beignet" is just great lol

[granite shard]

Tbh I don’t rly count model reuse as a canon look sort of thing, just a ballpark “we need a guy”

[real dove]

I always assumed Chary was a stand in for the Voodoo Loa Papa Legba

[granite shard]

It’s like how the reaper’s family is reused models of Lulu and the kid lol

[noble scarab]

Yea but it’s meant to get the idea across

So I’d bet it’d be similar

Plus he just seems like a top hat and coat guy

[granite shard]

Yeah, I guess for me it’s just not really a “this is similar to their appearance” but a “this gets the idea across”

[warm quartz]

No, he's just a guy

Guy with a dream

[noble scarab]

And a fear of clouds

For some reason

[warm quartz]

Finally becoming a cloud so he can defeat all clouds

Which he succedded mind you

[granite shard]

The statesman is similar outfit-wise to what I’d picture for chary

[real dove]

We have a lot of characters that are vaguely similar to a lot of the loa, that's why

[noble scarab]

Unrelated but right now the statesman is bugged and is missing 90% of his mustache

[granite shard]

Like generally my ideal would be he would on the surface look like a handsome enough guy but as you pay more attention there’s just shit that’s wrong about him (bloodshot eyes, overly long nails, etc)

Facial hair has been so goofed up post relaunch man it’s wild

[warm quartz]

He's missing 90% of his lower back because of Crytek's laziness

[noble scarab]

I didn’t make it past his stache

[warm quartz]

Yes

[noble scarab]

Rednecks daughter is and always has been missing her lower legs

[spiral mica]

I always saw Chary's goals of wanting to become a God reminiscent of Lucifer's goal to overthrow God the father. Even the Infernal pact's traits resemble one of Satan's appearances as the Baphomet. The Infernal pact hunters are like the other fallen angels that Lucifer convinced to follow him.

[warm quartz]

Doesn't even compare to Hardin's moustache

Disgraceful

But that is the way it is

[noble scarab]

I think steel eyed is missing his legs too, plus witch hunter is fucked again, and even the new dlc has some bad textures and is missing pieces of his attire, and I think the trappers are still shy most of their tassels

[spiral mica]

I'd want them to give him bright yellow and orange goat eyes

[granite shard]

I think that would probably go a little far since he is, at the end of the day, still just a guy

[spiral mica]

True I just love the whole fiery and devilish theme he has

[noble scarab]

What do we think finch looked like

[granite shard]

We actually do have an image of him

Or presumably him based on the context

One moment

[amber harbor]

I imagined him like the caretaker from darkest dungeon (or the guy on the achievements tab idk what his name is)

[spiral mica]

Would a Drowned Finch be possible?

[granite shard]

Based on the tide of corruption story background seemingly being chary’s desk and a big part of his plot involving killing finch, the photo in the center is likely finch

[noble scarab]

Good catch

[spiral mica]

Oh yeah I never thought of that

[noble scarab]

A drowned finch would’ve been better than the 13th mate

[granite shard]

13th mate was such a wild addition

He should have been DLC and the captain should have been the event hunter I feel

Like idk if anyone was exactly clamoring for lafitte but at least it would have been another lore character turned event hunter at the end of the trilogy

[warm quartz]

Nobody would buy that goofy ass clown

[granite shard]

There’s worse looking DLC hunters out there that people still bought 🤷‍♀️

[noble scarab]

We’re about to find out if people will buy actual goofy ass clowns

[native marlin]

the answer is: yes barring them being super easy to see for the sweatlords

[spiral mica]

(cough) Ghostface (cough)

[lucid anvil]

To be fair to them, I think they did the best they could with Ghostface.

It’s just.. as a skin, I don’t think it works because of the fact it’s a straight up collab

[spiral mica]

Remove the mask and it'd be a solid skin tbh

[lucid anvil]

And Ghostface is better than fucking post Malone
You can kinda justify the mask. You can’t do that with a hunter who is straight up a 21st century rapper or whatever

[spiral mica]

But yeah I get what you mean, there's certainly worse collabs they could have done

Like Rick and Morty with rainbow 6

[lucid anvil]

like post malone

[spiral mica]

Yeah has it been confirmed if we're actually getting him as a hunter?

Or if he's just being used as promotional material

[lucid anvil]

I don’t know about that. But given they’ve got a whole model for him, it’s an event based around him as a character in game…

Idk. I think it’s a reasonable assumption

I don’t remember if we have straight up confirmation

[spiral mica]

I guess we'll wait and see before I reserve judgement because yeah the addition of a 21st century rapper/country singer wouldn't be that great imo...

[native marlin]

id not judge it until we see it, it might just be a video thing, but i agree if its a hunter that fits EVEN LESS then ghostface

[spiral mica]

I'm guessing all the post Malone stuff is just promotional material because if they said they're not doing stuff like Nicki Minaj then I don't know why they'd do Post Malone.

[high stone]

Oh wtf! There’s that guy at #5….who is that?

[granite shard]

murmurstone I believe

[high stone]

There was a rendered version in the background of an old Instagram post for the Butcher’s Cleaver of that thing/person. The murmurstone is a person?

[granite shard]

It might have been a human once

[high stone]

Hmm

[high stone]

I would kind of argue that it’s the other way around, as long as you don’t name the character “Post Malone”

His character could be a reeeeaalllyy sneaky reference, but there’s no mistaking Scream’s Ghostface (R)

[high stone]

Tell you what, I’d trade both for one Walton Goggins hunter dlc

[spiral mica]

It's also the cover art used for "Drowning water" used in the tide of corruption event. https://youtu.be/JlXHOb0Dnsg?si=146PvccddGGAnmrZ

[icy brook]

My kidney, spleen even

[high stone]

Oh ok. I’m still suspicious that he was supposed to
be a Sculptor reveal and they backed away from it after deciding on a different plan for the future…

Could be something I don’t remember about the Mumblestone though

[granite shard]

imo w the whole tide of corruption event centering around the murmurstone it makes sense that that's it

like w the connection between BC and the stone, I think that an image of it being used alongside him for promo stuff makes sense

[high stone]

Just thinking the art looks like the wasp nest material formed into a human shape, like it’s associated with the Sculptor and bayou infestation…I don’t know what the murmerstone looks like

[granite shard]

the murmurstone does have a connection w the sculptor

idk, it's not what I had pictured when originally thinking of what it looked like (tbh... I just thought it would be a particuarly shiny rock) but I think it's a sensible enough design for fucked up talkrock

[warm quartz]

That's just murmurstone

On the pic

Not the sculptor

[high stone]

Yeah is the stone described as being personified in the lore? I understand the poster etc….I’m saying it might be a leftover design for a Sculptor appearance, re-purposed for event-lore

[real dove]

Could be either

[noble scarab]

New 🤡 teaser

Which I think is the hat version of the hunter we saw in the recent dev video

[spiral mica]

🤏 🔴

Honk honk

[noble scarab]

Swedish clown be like: Hjönk

[spiral mica]

The whole red background reminds me of The Batman

[noble scarab]

Someone brightened the image, and evidently the clown is standing in front of some kind of candy stand

[spiral mica]

I wonder what hunter in the game is most like Batman in both appearances and actions

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure it knows some stuff about the sculptor. That’s the whole reason chary wanted it, right? Trying to get its stories.

[spiral mica]

I wonder if the Heliostone or whatever it's called also has a connection to the Sculptor

[noble scarab]

Don’t worry, I’m sure the mumbling rock will be perfectly well explained and will fit conveniently with the established setting

[lucid anvil]

I get that. Just easier for me to pretend it’s unique if it’s a mask I think. I can’t disconnect the likeness of post from the actual person irl. Ghostface I can at least imagine it being someone beneath it, if I tell myself it’s a wooden mask.

[spiral mica]

iirc the Murmurstone was found inside Rotjaw's mouth and that's where Butchers Cleaver pulled out the Murmurblade but I forgot if the Murmurstone was actually ever physically described as being a person. I do know it had some kind of insect appearance but that's where my knowledge ends.

[lucid anvil]

Talkrock2

[spiral mica]

Pretty much

[lucid anvil]

:3

Thank you to Alpa for that one, I still find it humorous

[noble scarab]

Wasn’t it described as a petrified larvae or egg case

[spiral mica]

Hunt event MacGuffin 2.0

At least the Murmurstone kinda had time to establish itself this Heliostone stuff is really just out of left field

[lucid anvil]

And as an aside, that’s a REALLY cool design.

[lucid anvil]

I always imagined it as like a big black toad thing

[spiral mica]

I wonder if these "stones" are gonna be like the Infinity stones from Marvel comics

We got the Murmur and the Helio so what's next I wonder?

[lucid anvil]

Chary comes back, has to collect them all or something lmao

[spiral mica]

Are there going to be 6 in all?

[spiral mica]

He'll have to change his name to Chanos

[lucid anvil]

LMAO

[real dove]

Ye

Next it'll be screamstone

[noble scarab]

The murder stone, the stone Cain used to kill Abel

[high stone]

Yeah I like it! (For the Sculptor, or like a Husk Golem zombie)

[spiral mica]

Mosinstone will be the equivalent to the Power stone

[noble scarab]

The dark stone perhaps?

Or nightstone

[spiral mica]

Shadowstone

[real dove]

Heliostone for the sun implies lunastone

Hunt goes to the moon

[spiral mica]

That'll make Kevin happy

[high stone]

@noble scarab re: mermerstobe That’s cool, like a Trilobite fossil:

[noble scarab]

The earth stone

[real dove]

All changed when the Firestone attacked

I guess helio implies fire

[spiral mica]

Can it be used to evolve my Eevee?

[noble scarab]

It’s the helium stone, it floats

[high stone]

I’m turning into the Grumblestone tell you what

[spiral mica]

Morbstone

Get ready for Morbius crossover

Vampire themed hunter somewhere

[noble scarab]

Didn’t you guys love it when John hunt said “its showdown time”

[real dove]

Talkrock, now sunstone, next peoplepebble, then bloodboulder, then...

[spiral mica]

It's funny how many pieces of media has magical stones

Both world of warcraft and Elder scrolls online have a Wrathstone

Marvel has the infinity stones

Pokemon has evolution stones

[noble scarab]

40k has soul stones

[spiral mica]

Yep!

Monster energy drinks have kidney stones

[noble scarab]

Yes

[spiral mica]

There's just too many stones to keep track of

[high stone]

Oof

[spiral mica]

If we get any more stones we're going to be dealing with Stoneflation

The stone economy will collapse and we'll have to resort to something else like grass from the ground or bark from a tree instead of stones

[noble scarab]

The murmurgrass

I think Stephen king wrote a book about that

[spiral mica]

Heliograss

[ocean linden]

Me waiting for the sculptor to design more monsters

[real dove]

No, the rocks make the monsters now

[spiral mica]

He's blessed us with a bear I think

[noble scarab]

The sculptor doesn’t make shit, it just copies

[spiral mica]

Unless the Heliostone doesn't actually have any connection to the sculptor

[noble scarab]

It’s actually really poorly named

[spiral mica]

True the sculptor can only imitate not create, just like the Daedra.

[warm quartz]

That's a grunt

[ocean linden]

Didn’t it create grunts and hives sorta?

With the infection in the first place

[warm quartz]

I mean, it must be

[spiral mica]

Crude mockery and imitation is the bread and butter of cosmic demonic entities hell even CLU from Tron is evil and can only corrupt and imitate but not create

[noble scarab]

They’d have mentioned it if they were adding new grunts I think

[ocean linden]

I hope we get more bug stuff soon

Since the sculptor is very insect related

[spiral mica]

But damn if bad guys only being able to imitate and not create isn't a cool archetype in fiction

[ocean linden]

Where’s our big stalker beetle mommy

[spiral mica]

A giant bloated stalker beetle boss that explodes like a creeper once you kill it could be cool

[ocean linden]

I hope

[real dove]

I want mimics

[lucid anvil]

Ngl, kinda what I thought the murmur stone looked like. Just with a big toad mouth and a big tongue

[real dove]

I think they could be really cool

[spiral mica]

If your team kills it you'd have to leave the compound building or else you'd die in the explosion

[ocean linden]

Hellborn is cool but I do sorta wish it was something else

[real dove]

Downed horses/cows that aren't quite right

[ocean linden]

Immolators always seemed kind of basic compared to hives, armored, and meatheads

[noble scarab]

Immolators aren’t sculptor made at all, or even corruption related

[ocean linden]

Ducks are already mimics. How do water devils not attack them???

[ocean linden]

Sculptor reproduces them though

[high stone]

What sort?

Sorry I see..

[lucid anvil]

Hm… what kinda thing are you thinking a mimic would be like? Idk.. some sorta tentacle wormy creature that wriggles inside things? Maybe you can see a little tendril poking out somewhere and if you wake it up it screams and transforms?

[real dove]

AI that, when close enough, morphs into some other monster

[noble scarab]

It does copy them but that’s why they’re a bit different

[spiral mica]

Same I kinda wished it was the bear as a wild target and they stuck with the corrupted animal theme we see with Rotjaw

[real dove]

Bonus if it's insectile

[high stone]

It would be cool if some of the downed horses erupt into a mass of jumping leaches when you get close

[charred wren]

if your talking biblically, cain used a donkey's jawbone

[spiral mica]

Here's an idea Hunt Showdown mob vote

[noble scarab]

Is that from the Torah? I’ve only ever seen it as a rock

[spiral mica]

Do you think David used a slingshot or a sling to kill Goliath?

[lucid anvil]

I just had an idea-
Horse corpse sprouts beetle legs, and the head splits in half.. upper and lower jaws become mandibles!

[noble scarab]

Terrifying and setting appropriate, crtytek would never add it

[spiral mica]

Buttercup boss

[lucid anvil]

I’d assume sling? I don’t know much about the bible, but thinking of the time it was written.. i

[lucid anvil]

I want to try and draw that, but my art ain’t anywhere near good enough lol

[high stone]

@real dove please hang up the Bible Lore Discussion sign for a minute? 🙂

[spiral mica]

I always figured it was a sling because those things are deadly.

[spiral mica]

I think there's many boss ideas that are all a possibility

[lucid anvil]

I’d think so yeah.

Slings are cool

[spiral mica]

It would just be a question of how well they exactly work in game and if Crytek would be able to program it when certain limitations are considered

Like a flying wild target boss would be cool but I'm not exactly sure if Crytek could do it unless they could like upscale a stalker beetle with a different model and new mechanics programmed in

[noble scarab]

Ok I looked up the jawbone thing, so apocryphal sources state that Cain used a jawbone of a donkey or other ungulate to saw off Abel’s head after he beat, and strangled him, but also Cain didn’t know how death worked yet so he had to try pretty hard to kill Abel

[spiral mica]

Does it actually ever specify if hunt Cain used a stone to kill his brother?

Mind you, these tidbits of lore were before my time.

[high stone]

I haven’t tested it in a while but the trees before didn’t have any collision behavior above like 25-30 feet, that could be a big part of adding flying critters? Maybe, maybe not

[spiral mica]

Yeah stalker beetles can only go so high up before you're out of range

[high stone]

Right, maybe it has changed

Beetles seem like they go higher than the limit i saw, idk

[spiral mica]

So whenever I hear talk of a flying AI or boss I'm skeptical if they could actually do it or not

[spiral mica]

I'm not sure if that's because Mammon's gulch or not because plenty of times I'll try to gain altitude near places like La Plata and Oro but can't because of the limit and mountains but even though Mammon's gulch feels bigger its still only 1×1km wide and it only feels bigger because of all the mountains and verticality.

[high stone]

I wouldn’t mind AI beetles enemies

[spiral mica]

Well we have bats in the game and I think small manbat creatures could make for some interesting enemy types

[zenith perch]

Manbatbeetle

[spiral mica]

Instead of a squeak they'd shriek loudly and disorient the player similarly to being inside a choke bomb

[zenith perch]

part man

part bat

part beetle

[real dove]

?

We have a sign?

[green pollen]

What about a heron, I think that’d be really cool it see wading around

[real dove]

I just think it would be a fun ai

Some kind of grub or something

Lives in the horses/cows

Can give it tongue or mandibles sure

[spiral mica]

Like a skinchanger parasite

Steals and wears the flesh of people and animals and hunts through mimicry and familiar sounds

It would add a whole lot to the already crazy amount of paranoia that people feel while playing this game

[real dove]

I'm just thinking an armored grub

[high stone]

Jk, sorry

[real dove]

Nothing to be sorry for I just am confused

[green pollen]

Legit pretends to be your fellow hunter and uses their voicelines if they talked in game

This game needs more horror, I want to be scared of the world more rather than the paranoia of being shot. The fear from other hunters should be there, but I want to be scared of the world more

[mint wind]

A knight grub.

[real dove]

Hollow Knight comes to hunt

[high stone]

For years i’ve just wanted them to drop in new unannounced AI with an update. No warning or hints, just new monster jump scare

[mint wind]

Very bad idea sadly.

[real dove]

Wasn't hotjaw kinda a surprise?

I can't remember now

[high stone]

Haha i don’t think it’s a bad idea?

I don’t remember about rotjaw..

[real dove]

RotJaw was announced

I can't recall if Hellboy was

Or if he was kinda a surprise

[high stone]

He was hinted at

[real dove]

Ah

[green pollen]

If they did just add one it would be perfect with in lore hunters not getting any hints or nothing about a new monster, just suddenly a new danger to deal with

[spiral mica]

Both Rotjaw and Hellborn were teased but not outright revealed

Unfortunately people figured out pretty quickly that both Rotjaw and Hellborn were going to be wild target bosses.

[real dove]

RJ was leaked from test servers iirc

Hellboy I just can't recall if he was teased in advance

[spiral mica]

I'd say Rotjaw had a little bit more mystery leading up to her debut with the whole scaled ward and skinned questlines and the trailers

Well if you're talking about datamining and leaks both Rotjaw and Hellborn were probably well known in advance

[real dove]

I'm just hype for bear

I hope they stay

[spiral mica]

I kind of figured an alligator boss was coming eventually so when Rotjaw finally released I was excited but also expected as much. However, I figured Hellborn would've been some kind of generic AI until the teaser trailer showed him alongside immolators and I realized he was probably going to be a wild target at that point.

Honestly the bear would also be appropriate for a wild target but in reality he's apparently theorized to act as a meathead-esque AI enemy

I'm actually really excited to see what the bear is going to be like because imagine it's a meathead sized enemy with the same amount of health but has the speed and aggressiveness as a hellhound. Bears are quite fast when they want to be and they're powerful animals.

[real dove]

Yeah, I'm a little surprised they aren't making him a boss

Them *

[spiral mica]

I figured they wouldn't have a wild target ready so soon after Hellborn. I've said it before but it's only been about 3 months since Hellborn's release but the time between Rotjaw and Hellborn is about a year now.

[real dove]

Ja

[native marlin]

he was teased in advance 100% i cant remember how far though

[spiral mica]

August 9th 2024 so about 3 months ago

[native marlin]

so basically week in advance, makes sense

[zenith perch]

Lore loadout for llorona's heir, what yall think

[spiral mica]

I believe in her trailer she uses the Last Gust skin for the Winfield swift

My buddy that I sometimes play with likes to use the Lord's prayer skin for the uppercut because the red, white and black matches her outfit.

The Winfield slate mastery talks about Llorona acquiring a Winfield slate bayonet for herself so you could also use the No Quarter skin for the Winfield slate bayonet.

And if you don't own any of those skins just use the defaults

I think the conversion pistol, trueshot and regular pax would also be fine choices since some people have speculated that the pistols she has strapped to her waist could be paxs or caldwell conversions.

[zenith perch]

[orchid tangle]

you gotta take 3 conversions and ignore the ones on her belt

[granite shard]

Take only your fists and just drown the competition

[spiral mica]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiO-DVP8AGg ever since this trailer I've wanted to drown people

[rotund ferry]

Imagine NYC as a Hunt Showdown setting

Hunt Showdown: Metropolis 1899

[rugged harbor]

ive been wanting an urban map for awhile

I think itd be cool to have the center 4 compounds be a full downtown center, and as you get to the edges it gets more rural and swampy

[real cedar]

It really does sound enticing, a whole region of multiple levels - Rooftops, 2nd floor, ground floor, even subterranean connections between compounds like the New York tunnels - but at the same time I bet it'd be a bitch to design fairly as well as being a real performance hog if they wanted to have the level of clutter we're used to.

[rugged harbor]

thats very true

[zenith perch]

whats all yalls favorite weapon lore?

mine is Taste of Salvation's

[lucid anvil]

Lollypop gun :)

[sinful bloom]

Do you think we'll see anything with paul Desmuke during the next event

[lucid anvil]

Who?

[sinful bloom]

Sideshow performer mentioned in the sideshow judge

Throwing knife skin

[upbeat kiln]

In terms of the timeline, when would you guys say that Phoebe Brewer infiltrated the AHA?

[granite shard]

Possibly after Devil’s moon since she was working as a Marshall when she arrested Hardin

[upbeat kiln]

No, it would have to be way earlier than that. If we look at the old lore, that was her entire bio iirc

Devil's Moon is after Huff has been killed right?

[granite shard]

The moon trilogy would have to be since it’s when chary had been at his peak influence, but it also does have the timeline issue of not fitting neatly in w that

[upbeat kiln]

"Phoebe Brewer, the first Louisianan woman to become a US Marshall, faced a terrible choice when she became a Hunter: to renounce a lifetime's work. But, there was only one way into the AHA's inner circle, and only one way to fight the evil lurking there. It lost her an eye, her sobriety, and her public image, but her unknown legacy of fighting evil at its strongest was a price worth paying."

[granite shard]

I don’t think anything in her bio conflicts w the idea of brewer joining post buff

Huff* autocorrect

[upbeat kiln]

Of course, in terms of the timeline this could be after Huff's death, I guess?

you're right

[granite shard]

It’s possible that her capturing Hardin and the general Devil’s moon debacle had her go “okay I need to get involved w this shit”

[lucid quail]

Rip Mr chary, we hardly knew ye

[granite shard]

🫡🫡🫡

[icy brook]

I was never a Chary fan, welcome back Lynch?

[granite shard]

He’s just such a silly guy, I support him committing atrocities when he gets so goofy w it

[icy brook]

The devilishly mannered southerner trope isn’t for me

[spiral mica]

I like Chary as an antagonist but keep in mind that he is most certainly the comically evil type of antagonist with no redeeming qualities.

At times he feels like a Disney villain to me who is being evil and nefarious just because he can be.

[noble scarab]

Chary is a mustache twirling cartoon villain

[real cedar]

Probably not, Paul Desmuke was an irl person and they've moved much further away from that style of storytelling over the years. They killed off Philip Huff Jones, haven't mentioned Marie Laveau since 2019, etc.

[sinful bloom]

I didn't know that

[upbeat kiln]

Now that I think about - Brewer infiltrating the A.H.A. has to be after the improved serum of Lynch was implemented - otherwise she would have suffered the same fate as Hannah Kinney, right?

[granite shard]

Hannah kinney’s the chick who gave birth to the Meatman right?

[upbeat kiln]

Yeah. Corrupted by the first serum

[granite shard]

It’s possible, tho brewer looks old enough to be post menopausal

I think post lynch serum makes sense to me tho

My best guess on her is that she had known vaguely of what was going on in the bayou — potentially even told by Hardin — but only got seriously/personally involved after shit went insane

[high stone]

Would Brewer, or anyone, just pass and/or become undead if they didn’t get the serum?

[granite shard]

Only a few people can survive the corruption zone w/o the serum so probs

[native marlin]

i know some people like redneck can, but its hard to remember who else can, also in lore is the whole redneck family able to? bc theyre all kinda connected

[warm quartz]

Would you rather have a sad backstory crybaby?

Clouds ate my momma..... now I kill clouds

[real cedar]

If William Moses is right that it's not some physical thing and instead his pipe smoke, then yeah they'd all have the same non-inoculation resistance

[native marlin]

interesting! i never really knew why, but if they discovered what caused it maybe itd be better to immunitize people that arent going to be hunters, like the general population

[real cedar]

It hasn't been proven or anything, it's purely the Redneck's own claim that the pipe helps him. Chances are it's a natural resistance, which means there's a possibility it can pass through the bloodline

[native marlin]

for sure, i get why they dont test it, i mean, its coming from redneck i wouldnt either. But if they tested it on another person and it worked, thatd be kinda huge

[spiral mica]

There's a difference between having a antagonist that you can sympathize or even empathize with vs having a clear and decisive villain with little to no redemption quality at all. In this particular case Chary happens to be the latter. He works as a irredeemable scumbag of a villain because he features that classic well-mannered devilish southerner trope. He's not supposed to make the viewer question whether he is right or wrong in his endeavors because everything you've seen and heard about him is cartoonishly evil. He commits atrocities, bribes hunters, conducts human experimentation all for the sake of elevating his own status and ultimately his end goal was to become a God. I mentioned it earlier but Chary's story resembles Lucifer and the Infernal pact resembles the fallen angels that follow him. Sometimes a good old fashion villain is all a story really needs.

[warm quartz]

Except hunter were always homicidal maniacs

[zenith perch]

my headcannon is that some of the demented dont need the serum

most likely the beekeeper cause she practices witch craft

[warm quartz]

She practices no such thing

Beekeeping is a respectable science

[granite shard]

Is there really anything that denotes her practicing witchcraft?

I didn’t get that vibe at all but maybe I missed something in the text

[zenith perch]

in her bio and in the event books

tldr she used witch craft to save her bees from the corruption but she damaged her relationship with her daughter because of her using witchcraft

[warm quartz]

Her daughter is dead duh

[zenith perch]

If you guys could choose for a dlc to get more skins, like the Trappers, who would you guys choose?

I'd choose Morrigan and Midian

[native marlin]

i dont entirely understand what you mean, like in the same vein?

[zenith perch]

yeah

[rugged harbor]

Prodigal Daughter or Son, more weapons in their style would be sick

[native marlin]

sofia 1000% her weapons are gorgeous i love the character more please god

[rugged harbor]

Sofia does have some pretty weapons

[native marlin]

i also love concubine, tech wraith is sick, honestly any pretty girl/ ornate stuff, its awesome

[native marlin]

YEA!! her throwing knives >>>>> ran them since they came out

[zenith perch]

most of the tide of corruption death pact weapons were for her

[native marlin]

as she deserves

[zenith perch]

namely the bow and pistol

i want more weaposn in that style for her

black and silver

[rugged harbor]

If I could pick a weapon skin pack, to get more of, the Double or Nothing Dlc had some amazing skins, id love more duelie pair skins

[native marlin]

more matched pairs are sick, but they seem to hate them </3

[native marlin]

this would be amazing

[rugged harbor]

Yeah especially with the bugs with trying to equip them

[native marlin]

they basically at one point, added them, and then forgot about them so the ui with them has been broken for a looooooongggggggg time

[rugged harbor]

Mhm mhm

I’d love a matching pair of scottfields, any variant, base, swifts, spitfires they’re the coolest

[native marlin]

i doubt theyll ever make a match again, but ill hope for ya!

[rugged harbor]

I like designing my own skins so I might end up doing that in the meantime x3

[native marlin]

these are cool!! im a sucker for the two animals on them, esp the possum

[rugged harbor]

I need to redo the possum one, it’s so pixelated -w-

I got lots of plans!

[native marlin]

heck yea do it!!

[zenith perch]

What if the reason the Schofield is losing dumdum is cause we're getting this

[rotund ferry]

Lore

I haven't played the game since November 2022

[spiral mica]

Is it losing dumdum or is it just becoming scarce?

[spiral mica]

Here you go, courtesy of @real cedar

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_rKddGsDAJjaijR5uK1gefOipscWTXeFy8Ry0vF-oTY/edit?usp=sharing

[native marlin]

scarce, crytek doesnt remove stuff

and they likely made it scarce bc of the spitfire, removing most of the fast firing dumdum besides the new army

[spiral mica]

They're also making conversion dumdum scarce iirc

Officer too

[native marlin]

ya, thats the one that confuses me, best i can guess is low mmr fanning dumdum, but good players fan fmj anyway

[spiral mica]

I'm just glad I won't have to deal with centennial dumdum as much anymore

[native marlin]

100% at least in theory, it was a scourge and mistake since it was added

[spiral mica]

Yeah dumdum on the centennial made dumdum on other guns less special because a repeating rifle with dumdum is stupidly strong

I can understand springfield, drilling and even Maynard dumdum because it's only one or two powerful shots before needing to reload

[native marlin]

esp bc its medium, maybe like a dumdum winnie or smth would be ok (not saying i want it) but it on cenny was just "why would i ever take springfield"

for sure, that was the origional reason it was ok, one disabling shot to help the single shots, cenny doesnt need it, but i dont wanna flood the lore channel but you right <3

[zenith perch]

Scare

[granite shard]

You say they don’t remove stuff and yet…

[native marlin]

lore so forgotten i didnt even remember them removing it 😔

[rotund ferry]

I just need to know simply why the game is 1896 in Colorado now

They should've just made a second game instead of rebranding this one 😒😒😮‍💨

Live service games will always make such rash decisions

[real dove]

Because the resources of the west were drying up, and the wealthy businessmen decided "what if we use the magic of the bounties to bring back the land there can be no downsides here" and guess what, downsides

all the bounties we were getting since DW were going to them for them to use, spreading the corruption

[icy brook]

Economic speculators looking at Cuba and the Philippines when western US investment returns begin to diminish

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-shrek-gif-23156636

Enter Hunt: Manila

[spiral mica]

you say that but Destiny made a second game and it's been struggling

[vivid crystal]

Basically, the greed of Humanity is the corruption

[spiral mica]

don't assume that if Crytek just made a second game instead of rebranding that all the problems would disappear

[spiral mica]

there's evil in the world and that evil takes advantage of humanity because our minds are easy prey

Hunt is like one big symbiotic relationship, the Sculptor, the Hunters, the AHA they all need each other to survive

[rotund ferry]

It's interesting that the AHA has been around since about 1695

Can't remember the exact date

[warm quartz]

I like Morrigan and Midian pair

I like that Midian is the one who is going to betray the other in end

Too often women are portrayed as the heartless ones

I also like that they probably caw like idiots from time to time

And they have the best dlc trailer to date

Also I like their characters

With morrigan being a hoarding cleptomaniac

And Midian just being a chill freak

[spiral mica]

correct me if I'm wrong but I recall it saying somewhere that Midian and Morrigan were brother and sister?

and I don't remember it mentioning anywhere that Midian is going to betray Morrigan.

[zenith perch]

Don't remember that

[zenith perch]

They do in one of the Tide of Corruption chapters

I think Morrigan is just better designed

Than Midian

I want a Uppercut Precision in the style of Morrigan and Midian's weapons

[real dove]

They are lovers

[zenith perch]

Hey Alpa

[zenith perch]

I have changed my name once again

Morrigan is just my default main at this point

[real dove]

Y'all making it hard to keep up with who being who lol

I run morrigan all the time

My birb queen

Shame Michigan is so goofy

[zenith perch]

I've gone from Romero to Springfield to Slate to Cain to Skull Taker and now to Morrigan Enjoyer

[real cedar]

smh no commitment to your waifu

[zenith perch]

I live many lives

Many waifus

Many enjoyers

[real dove]

Fair lol

[zenith perch]

It's his mask for me

Morrigans looks intimidating

Midians looks goofy

[real dove]

his hair or feathers make him look so funny to me

Michigan hanging out with Cleaver

and Cain

goofy hair club

[lucid anvil]

Well, if it’s 1695 that would predate America as a country, wouldn’t it?

When was America founded again? 17-1800s right?

[granite shard]

1776 was the start of it as its own country

[warm quartz]

It's subtly referenced in his bio

[rotund ferry]

The AHA was founded in the 1600s.

[warm quartz]

His tired of this shit eyes make up for it

[rotund ferry]

New Mexico was founded in 1598, Florida was founded in the 1560s

And before the US was established America was a term

[upbeat kiln]

Maybe this would interest the lore lovers of the channel. This is the origin story to Hunt that was originally planned but was ultimately scrapped :))

https://youtu.be/6SHmnxIo1aU

[real cedar]

I'm 7 min in already. Is 1885 the correct date? A story about an English slaver planning to sail for America with a ton of slaves is more of a 1785 thing

[upbeat kiln]

You are absolutely correct. And yes, the date is correct. It's because the story was based on the Zong massacre. (Which took place a 100 years earlier)

[real cedar]

Pretty interesting video. For once I agree with Crytek's decision not to go forward with the OG narrative team's ideas

[spiral mica]

I'll have to check it again then

[upbeat kiln]

Haha same. It's a bit too on the edge

[zenith perch]

Morrigan is my favorite kleptomaniac

[spiral mica]

I don't really know too many kleptomaniacs

[zenith perch]

hence why shes my favorite

[lucid quail]

Maybe the real post malone murder circus was the friends we made along the way

[warm quartz]

Google translator helped me

Good times when crytek blessed us with Lulu-Sofia relationship

[orchid tangle]

pleasantly surprised they didn't have post sing in the new port song

surprised it wasn't a collab

[spiral mica]

I didn't realize it was already out and I have to say it's not one of my favorites.

[orchid tangle]

I think it's decent

[warm quartz]

Yeah, decent enough for main menu

Certainly not a banger like dark in new orleans

[zenith perch]

The event is out already?

[spiral mica]

I love songs like marked for death and make them bleed because they're the type of songs to get your blood pumping before the hunt begins

[spiral mica]

No but the menu music for the event is out

[zenith perch]

Ah

So soon

[spiral mica]

https://youtu.be/L95qrHZqanc?si=3_MEdQuRRmojdaUa here you go

[zenith perch]

Where is it

Thank

[real cedar]

Hmm yeah it feels like the song is in a perpetual intro

[humble ridge]

Does anyone wants to team up for easter egg hunt and general map exploration?

[zenith perch]

Nightshift delirious idea

What if Butchers Cleaver and Beekeeper show up in the Murder Circus cause they got picked up by it and just traveled with them

[lucid anvil]

Ok… might be my new favourite song lol

[lucid anvil]

I can see what you mean, but honestly I don’t mind it. It doesn’t have the intensity of some of the other songs, especially not the recent ones like make them bleed, but I think it works rather well honestly.

They did a good job integrating the sorta “carnival” sounds too.

[real cedar]

It's kind of like a dark carnival waltz. It's cool how PSB experiments like this now and then even if it's not my thing

[lucid anvil]

Mhm. It’s nice to see them exploring new styles and things. I quite like the lyrics, and like I say, they did a good job making a theme song for a circus event.

And glad they didn’t do a music collab… I’m listening some post atm, just to see, and it’s not bad… but I don’t think it would work with the style post sulphur does tbh

They have a very unique style I’ve yet to find anywhere else

Tbh on repeat listens, I get where people are coming from a bit more
It could definitely do with building a bit more, but I don’t mind it overall

[real cedar]

Funny enough it grew on me on the second listen, I think it'll be a nice lobby song

[lucid anvil]

Oh yeah, it works good as a lobby song

Not so intense as to force your attention onto it, but nice if you want to focus on it

[zenith perch]

People saying it's making Post seem like the villain in the event

[real cedar]

Eh, that's missing the context already provided in the press releases where he's the hero Deposed King trying to end the corrupted circus. Though the Ballad of Post Malone implies there was more going on while he was leading it so maybe only a relative hero.

[warm quartz]

Where did my cool picture of Lulu and Sofia go

[real dove]

Feel free to DM Modmail to find out :)

[warm quartz]

There goes my smile

[hidden arrow]

picture of Lulu and Sofia
removed

I wonder what that was 😄

[real dove]

Let's not :)

hoping we get a trailer longer than 30s this week

i wanna see my bears

[hidden arrow]

Hopefully

Or a date

I just want to know

[real dove]

that too

mostly the bears tho

[hidden arrow]

Honestly, 2.2 is what I'm looking most toward

[real dove]

Same

Has a lot of good changes

[hidden arrow]

If the trade window saves me from a few trades, I'll be the content

[real dove]

Also super curious if the circus stuff will stick around after

[hidden arrow]

Weather Condition - Clowns

[real dove]

Yeah

Foggy, Sunny, Golden Hour, Clown

the normal weathers

mostly I just want the bears to stay

lotta work for the AI

and inferno hasnt returned

sadge

[hidden arrow]

There was a lot of work for the lore as well, but y'know

[real dove]

yeah... I've buried that horse

[hidden arrow]

Burn that bridge when we get to it

[real dove]

we got over it and burned it

lol

[hidden arrow]

Not meee

I'm still mad

[real dove]

Valid! The grave is very shallow

and the horse keeps popping out

trying to find other horses

[fickle sluice]

You should have used its skin, meat and bones.

[real dove]

sadly in my rage of the loss of lore, I'd reduced it into mush

[fickle sluice]

I respect a good rage.

[warm quartz]

Couldn't even post my cool picture on the reddit

Not that I commonly post on reddit 👀

I guess humanity haven't advanced enough to discuss intricacies of Lulu and Sofia's relationships

[torn light]

I would love to see what they can do with updated game engine inferno

Dark inferno was already a beautiful sight

[granite shard]

it'd be interesting to see if they could fix the smoke problem from the original run

where that was prob the worst looking part of it

[torn light]

What I really want also is to be able to run through the fire

Like the big thick pillars of fire

Is mostly just harmful since the fire proof trait is no longer around but I want the ability to do it

[granite shard]

you get two steps in and are red skulled

[torn light]

Yeahhhh, that would the outcome unfortunately D:

[earnest jungle]

Well at least the new song is bop… kinda odd it didn’t feature postie though… I mean he is a singer first and foremost

[granite shard]

$$$

[warm quartz]

That's actually good

Nobody wants Post Malone in hunt

My friends would actually claw my eyes out if he was in the song

Because I keep advocating that will eventually get good again

[real dove]

Same

Ngl I thought we'd get inferno back for SE

[torn light]

It would go well with the theme tbh

[real dove]

Yeah

Hence my surprise

[torn light]

And it really seemed like they had emphasized a little bit of flames/burning

but that was more hellborn/that one compound it seems

So yeah right there with you

[real dove]

I think in time we'll see it return

It's not an uncommon ask for folks

I'm not the only one who misses it

[torn light]

oh for sure, the poll they had after one of the events had dark inferno as the most requested to return

unfortunately it was bugged so it didn't return D:

[real dove]

Sadhe

Sadge

[torn light]

But I'm sure they'll bring it back, just a matter of when

[spiral mica]

this got me thinking what if we got a giant serpent's moon but with a face on it like Majora's mask

[native marlin]

bounty clash mode where if the timer hits 0 it crashes into earth

[spiral mica]

that would be so cool honestly

I think little tidbits of levolution like that would add a certain charm to the game

like how some people thought it would be cool to see the Delphine flying in the clouds during matches

the environment in hunt always felt a bit static at times, you have the AI, sound traps, bosses and of course the different weather conditions but other than that the world around you never felt like it was changing or anything significant was occurring

[native marlin]

a spectacle like the delphine wouldve been awesome, always wanted to see that

[spiral mica]

another cool thing they did was your hunter would burn up in soul survivor if you failed to save your hunter and that supposedly was how immolators were made

now whenever the timer hits 0 and you fail to save your hunter it just takes you to a load screen and places you back in the menu with you or your party

[ember halo]

Belle Delphine collab?

[native marlin]

i never knew that second thing! but yea it was cool! i didnt know they removed it honestly, i rarely play and when i do i am never running out of time if not winning

[native marlin]

finally the next step of hunt

[zenith perch]

I awaken

[native marlin]

welcome to woke

[green pollen]

i really wish during the thundershower event the water level was risen, so certain compounds would be unavailable. Same thing with the inferno event, one or two compounds being completely lit on fire would be cool

though also my theory on why the maps are always the same is that everything kinda reverts back, kinda like how the sculptor always keeps the same infected coming out to the bayou and why the bosses regenerate in different compounds.

[spiral mica]

dynamic fire and water would be so difficult to achieve on the Cryengine

like as cool as it would be to see Scupper lake flooded or Alice farm burn down to the ground I guarantee that they wouldn't be able to do it with the limitations especially when inferno and thundershowers were first introduced to the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WakZu-JR-A

friends I play with have discussed it before but levolution in hunt would be cool just not possible at this time and being able to destroy walls or bring a tower down would completely change the whole identity of the game

I'm not sure how well something like that would even run or how balanced it would be during gameplay

[lucid anvil]

I suppose it wouldn’t even have to be the majority of the places. I don’t think being able to destroy a wall super easily would be good, but maybe if you could do something like activating a dynamite plunger away from a compound to open up a blocked mineshaft entrance or something…

[upbeat kiln]

If we disregard events, what is the last thing that has happened within the Night of the Hunter faction? After the death of Huff?

[granite shard]

it's hard to fully disregard events when the prescient's defection of the cult happened both in her DLC and also within the story there, but I would say either her DLC or the recent charm referencing the night acolyte

[real cedar]

The Dire Divination charm suggesting that the Night of the Hunter cult's apocalypse failed to come (implying that it was Desolation) is probably the most recent thing, though it can't be tied to a date within the timeline.
No amount of foresight could have predicted Corruption’s unprecedented path. Shaken by this failure, Nadia Orville sought out new methods of prophecy to divine what the future held. Doomsday may have failed to arrive, but Nadia had found new eyes of which to see it.

Come to think of it, none of their actions really can, their stories are largely dateless except for Russel Chambers mentioning the faction infighting that started before summer ended

[granite shard]

I think the charm is the one that could most likely be dated by the shit it corresponds to, somewhere between nov 95 and feb 96

[mint wind]

Hello
Rotjaw blue eye turns orange like in the Kingsnake mine when looked at in dark sight.
Good bye and have fun 👋

[upbeat kiln]

huh.. Interesting. Did Nadia ever have a falling out with the Nightseer, or was it only the Prescient who was gunning for him?

[granite shard]

we haven't seen her have a falling out w him yet, but it's possible there was a storyline planned for her

[real cedar]

The Night Acolyte has only appeared in the one Book of Weapons story, a Trials description, and the Dark Sight and Devil's Moon trailers. Before the charm, the last time we heard about her was when she gained a Martini-Henry Ironside skin, Heaven's Key back in 1.13.

We just don't know all that much about her, or really any of the Night of the Hunter stuff. The info is all very subdued

[upbeat kiln]

That's my favorite faction.. I would have loved for them to meet the Sculptor and become one with the other side 😄

[real cedar]

Aside from the crossbow, the new promo gives us a look at what I assume is the upcoming Bloodbond clown girl that was teased - though I can't find which reddit post had the teaser.
Very subtle Harley Quinn vibes with the red/blue nails and the card suit tattoo but I don't think it's more than traces of an homage.

[granite shard]

good eye on the nails

I think the hand tats are pretty weak but I do like the rest of the outfit shown

maybe she'll be a fortune teller?

hm, I can't tell if the sleeves line up or not

[real cedar]

Yeah the colors are a bit off too

[granite shard]

oh also probably don't share the image

[icy brook]

Nice, we got the Jonkler skin collection

[granite shard]

I think the screencaps of that have generally been removed when posted here

[icy brook]

You know my father was a hunt player…

[noble scarab]

how are we gonna aim that thing

and also i hope it does not work with explosive bolts

[real dove]

point at target

[noble scarab]

please crytek

explosive bolts feel bad enough when people are just flinging them at you

[native marlin]

it almost certainly will good luck

[native marlin]

idk if itll be able to ads with a huge block, or be hipfire only, bc if its hipfire only itll be like dualies, frustrating to use and frustrating to die to

[real dove]

true

to be seent

[native marlin]

100% theres a lot that can make it unfun but well have to just wait and see

[icy brook]

If it’s like the historical Chu-ko-nu you have to work a lever to cycle and shoot, I’m hoping it doesn’t have an ADS option or at least a poor one

There must be a gimmick ammo because I don’t see a reason to add it otherwise

[native marlin]

possible! idk anything about it historically, but we know hunt fudges some stuff for gameplay, like the lemat pistol for example

[lucid anvil]

Wait-

Hold on- repeating crossbow!?

Ooohh I’m curious about that…

[real dove]

They opted to not announce it here

but yes

Chu ko nu

[lucid anvil]

But of a shame… they’ve been doing really good with communication recently :(

[lucid anvil]

How are we thinking it’ll operate?

I assume no details?

[real cedar]

The tweet describes it as semi-automatic

[real dove]

the og has a handle

assuming thats what its based on

[lucid anvil]

Hmmm…

The bolts look different, so… presumably it’ll work differently

[warm quartz]

Chinese repeating crossbows are know to be far less uhhh hard on the draw

[lucid anvil]

Makes sense. So i suppose lower damage, less range, less consistent (if any) one shot..?

[warm quartz]

Headshot

Also they were known to have bolts always covered in... poison

[lucid anvil]

Ahhh, interesting…

So, maybe no one shot, but bleed and poison..?

Hm..

[real cedar]

The history of them is pretty interesting. 2000+ years old and repeated mentions of them throughout history even up to the First Sino-Japanese war in 1894, but they weren't exactly mass produced and handed out to troops like Europe did with their own crossbow.

[native marlin]

which is weird to me, id get if it was like only in a privte discourd, but if its posted publicly idk what the benefit would be to not have it here

[real dove]

:/

[real cedar]

They've regularly been spotty on discord announcements, sometimes missing them but more regularly posting them 2-30 min later than other social medias.
Does discord have scheduled posts? That might be the reason.

[granite shard]

I think you could prob get a bot to do it

[native marlin]

if they post it not super late its not to bad, but it just seems simple for people to check every social media, and make sure its posted

[granite shard]

but like if they have an announcement channel here, why not post at least a link to the stuff?

twitter is the main way I would notice hunt news and I've been off twitter more and more as of late, so it would be nice to see stuff get posted here so I don't miss it

[real dove]

Honestly I think posting it to gen announ but not @ people would be enough

no

discord

[native marlin]

obv yea itd be nice for it to just work, but i personally turn on notifs on twitter to see it, id understand why you wouldnt want it though

[native marlin]

100% or have a role to "notify me of every announcement"

[granite shard]

I mean my point is that I am trying to not use twitter so turning notifs on for that would defeat the point of getting off the site haha

[real dove]

Discord is my only social media

[granite shard]

this is an official communication spot for the game so it would be nice having the same comms here, at least for big stuff

[real dove]

feels weird to rely on y'all to tell me about updatse

[native marlin]

thats very fair, was just trying to give you a way to not miss stuff, it would be nice for them to actually consistantly post here

[rare dirge]

Yeah I also only use discord so I just gotta hope people post it here

[native marlin]

fan run announcements channel so we can do it better then they do

[real cedar]

Every channel is the fan run announcement channel

[rare dirge]

It’s probably just to drive up engagement on other social media’s tbh

[native marlin]

i honestly and truely doubt anyone who doesnt have a social media is getting them to see the stuff, esp not people on the discourd, who are already typically more hardcore fans

[rare dirge]

I mean I haven’t yet but I have thought about making a Twitter account just to look at hunt tweets before

Too much of a hassle though

[native marlin]

exactly, and even if, isnt it more important to inform the playerbase, and drum up hype, then to try and get everyone to follow every social media, which is a losing battle?

like we all love the game, weather you view it on discourd, or twitter, is that a huge deal? well all play it if were happy with it

[spiral mica]

if we were still getting event stories this would've been a great event to get to know Alaz better

I think the last major mention we got of her was in the letter she sent to Luz Mala back during Devil's moon.

I sometimes think about what some of the other characters would've sounded like had they gotten their own event stories and voice actors.

[noble scarab]

Give us a Cain or Monroe voice cowards

[spiral mica]

literally give us any voice I'm begging you

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

Post Malone narrated event chapters coming right up

[rare dirge]

theres no way they start with post malone

...right?

[real dove]

Wym?

We've had narrated chapters in the past

Why not now? 🙃

[fickle sluice]

J.K. Simmons narration incoming

[real cedar]

Interesting, it's not the same Hunter as the crossbow teaser

Those throwing knives are sexy though

[real dove]

is it not?

hm

[real cedar]

Nope, different clothes and tats, no saw hanging from the hip

[real dove]

why cant they just have posted the weapon post here themselves now I have to go looking for it ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[granite shard]

She looks good!

[fickle sluice]

yeah good job Art team

[lucid anvil]

I was worried the skins might not be super fitting, but so far they seem to be ok.

Except post Malone. And the clowns, I suppose

[real dove]

well, we are getting a circus

And yeah, the tats are different

you're right

[real cedar]

The two clown BB weapon skins that just dropped are kinda ehh since they're not even event skins. Very gaudy, so well designed in their intent

[granite shard]

I like the knives, the guns aren't my thing

[real cedar]

Knives are real nice, ye

[granite shard]

surprised she's not dropping with the event

[lucid anvil]

On post? Who are we talking about here?

[granite shard]

two huners

[lucid anvil]

Ohhhh

[granite shard]

the one who released today and the teaser from yesterday

[real dove]

Spinner and the hunter holding the new cross

[lucid anvil]

I see lol

[real dove]

yeah

right hand tats are diff

clothing too

but tats are much more "yeah 2 dif hunters" for me

[lucid anvil]

I might have to run throwing knives more. Not sure.

[real cedar]

The buff made em pretty nice

[lucid anvil]

I tried them with my cavalry loadout for the close range? Didn’t hit a single one. Got sad. Jumped out of a window, missed a stab, traded with a shotgun. Was happy.

[warm quartz]

Is it just me, or does she have the same face as Lulu?

[real dove]

Yeah, she reminds me of Lulu a lot

hair+ pretty face makes it hard to ignore

[real cedar]

This whole stealth dropping thing is getting annoying 😩
"Oh here's a new Hunter and three new legendary skins at 8 in the morning! Patch notes? What are those? You better have been here when it happened if you want to know when these were added to the game!"
Tracking the history of Hunt has gotten worse this year. Before it was maybe once a year a fluke would happen and some skins got missed but now it's like every other BB skin.

[warm quartz]

Her menu animation makes me angry

I don't know why

I just really hate it

[granite shard]

yeah I really liked when they just added all of the BB hunters for an update at the start of the update as opposed to just randomly dropping them on a thursday morning

like I assume the event's gonna drop sometime in the next week or two so I would have been fine waiting for a circus act hunter for the circus event lol

[real cedar]

Like are these considered 2.1.1 skins? It was the most recent patch so I guess so?

[warm quartz]

And I don't like her lore

[ember halo]

Have a video or gif?

[warm quartz]

She spins

And suddenly stops and throws knife

And she apparently loves acting like a nasty person

And then everyone claps

[real cedar]

I was about to say that 😂

The throwing knives description is literally "and then everyone claps"

[warm quartz]

Maybe thunderous applause actually means gunfire?

[real cedar]

Could be an unreliable narrator thing where Amelie thinks applause was the reaction, though historically the skin descriptions don't really go that way.

Maybe she just picks really shitty bars filled with her kind of people

[upbeat kiln]

I'm volunteering to donate my left nut to Crytek if they get J.K Simmons to narrate

[warm quartz]

Don't let your mouth write checks that your nuts have to cash

[ember halo]

The writing has been poor imo lately. The Posty dime story thing struck me as poor writing, and this bio did too. Not that it matters anymore.

"Stuff" "things" "x did this then this happened".

[warm quartz]

"I need photos!!! Photos of the Spider!!1!"

[real cedar]

The post malone one especially, I checked with word counter and it was 8th grade tier writing

[upbeat kiln]

"Where were you?! Photographing grunts in the Graves?! You're fired!"

[warm quartz]

"Can you stop bush camping?"
"HAHAHAHAHAH! ...you're serious?"

[ember halo]

That's exactly how it came off to me, I made a post about it that got no traction.

I was told it was on purpose to fit the dime story format but I pulled two 19th century dime stories from online and they don't read like that lol

I'm no expert though 🤷

[real cedar]

The dime story format in-universe doesn't even follow that, Hayden Collins, Simon Moore, and Jasper Priest are much better writers than Oliver Tacchi.

[real dove]

y'all have Screenshots of the weapons with the lore?

im at work :c

[real cedar]

I gotchu

[real dove]

ty fam

Dang, it really is "and then everyone clapped"

lol

[granite shard]

tbh if I had to write stuff to justify collabs and whatnot after getting to write more original stuff I would also start phoning it in

[upbeat kiln]

That's the second time.

[granite shard]

everyone clapping after the black coat getting baseball batted makes sense tho bc everyone just kinda hates the guy and was probably waiting for the opportunity to do that themself lol

[real cedar]

Even with the everyone claps, I like the flavor cause it gives Amelie more depth than just abused employee going postal. She liked the feeling of taking down a tormentor so now she's recreating the moment best she can. Kinda serial killer psychology.

That sorta stuff is a good stepping stone from backstory moment to hunting monsters and killing people for cash

[warm quartz]

You mean captain getting baseball batted by BC, right?

[real cedar]

Otherwise it's like... well you killed your boss, you're free, go do literally anything else?

[granite shard]

oh right yeah captain

literally everyone hated the captain god bless

[real dove]

I don't really mind her stuff, feels akin to most other hunters, "discovered a love for bloodshed, decided to keep killing"

[granite shard]

I think they could have done something more interesting

[real dove]

not gonna disagree

[warm quartz]

Personally I don't see what's so wrong with it

[granite shard]

it's like a half step up from the upgraded tiered hunters

[real dove]

i just think it's par to the coarse compared to th rest

course

[granite shard]

I guess, maybe just something that could have used a DLC blurb to go into more depth on

[real cedar]

BB hunters are going to be small potatoes lorewise most often, nothing wrong with it.

[real dove]

She might get further weapons/charms to build her out more

[granite shard]

hopefully

[real dove]

we've seent charms for hunters and plenty of new weapons for them

[granite shard]

I wonder if she was shadow dropped since they accidentally revealed her early

[warm quartz]

I doubt that

I feel like it might be a good thing

[granite shard]

just feels weird to have her release now as opposed to in a week or two w the event

[warm quartz]

They made too many skins for a battle pass so they release some even before the event

[real cedar]

I don't know the exact mechanics behind it, but wouldn't they have had to put her data such as textures and animations into the game with previous download patches and then revealed it when they decided to release? Idk how much they can insert on the backend

[granite shard]

it's possible they just preload the game w models and stuff, esp for an update coming close to an event release

keeps the next download smaller and there's not really people digging into the files for hunt

[real cedar]

We saw that happen a bit with the Rival Mace's mechanics being in the game but not the model during Scorched Earth

[ocean linden]

I wonder if the event was supposed to start today originally

[fickle sluice]

yeah it would be pretty freaking awesome. JK Simmons either as the new head of the AHA oder one of the benefactors would be amazing

[real dove]

wasnt there a small updoot last night?

or yesterday

thought i saw folks talking about it

[real cedar]

Sometimes steam games will call for downloads for whatever reason but it doesn't happen to everyone like a patch

[trim hound]

Is there more into dod's background?

[warm quartz]

Huh?

[granite shard]

have you read the tide of corruption lore? that's the most we get into her beyond her DLC

[warm quartz]

Who is dod?

Daugther of Decay?

[real cedar]

Daughter of Decay

[warm quartz]

Well, let's see

She is agressively vegetarian

She is friends with Felis

[noble scarab]

Unrelated, new 🤡 hunter

[lucid anvil]

Honestly, I quite like her design

And the knives

[real dove]

I dont see the clown

sideshow act over clown to me

[noble scarab]

Also her bio

Sadly it is once again person likes murder

[real cedar]

It's really just the ruffles, old school clown style.

[granite shard]

ruffles and also the striped leggings

[lucid anvil]

Tbh I’m starting to forget what other writing there is lol

[real cedar]

You gotta look back to the OG 1.0 skins to see interesting variations in storytelling

[lucid anvil]

It’s mostly just “stabby mc stab face was normal… then they stabbed someone, and now they’re on the Hunt for more people to stab… TO DEATH”

[real dove]

Yeah, i guess, she def gives circus vibes just not clown for me

but its been

20? or so years since ive seen a circus

do circuses even exist anymore

[lucid anvil]

They do, yeah. There’s one that comes around near me every so often, I think…

[ember halo]

Gives me Spanish conquistador vibes lol

[lucid anvil]

But idk, I’ve not been to that one in a while. I’ve seen posters about

[real cedar]

Carcass Gunrunner is just doing business for the AHA or anyone else who will pay
Sheriff Hardin wants to contain the corruption any means necessary
Ishim Gird became a Hunter when his congregation turned
Marshall Brewer became a hunter to get in close to the AHA and find their hidden secrets
None of them actually like killing, they've all got other motivations that require violence

[fickle sluice]

but it integrates seamlessly into the lore they weave...

[fickle sluice]

funny enough Circus is a christmas or at least winter thing around where I live. I think there are about 3 or 4 within 45min driving distance right now

[real cedar]

Meanwhile in 2024 Hunt:
Spinning Blade discovers she likes murder
Skull Taker REALLY likes hunting
Pappy Redneck is a good Hunter also yo mama
Ghost Face is a CUHRAZY haunted mask
Blood Red discovers she likes murder
Silver Spur likes money but likes murder more
Grotesque is CUHRAZY and likes murder

Honorable mentions to recent intriguing stories: Shade's story of vengenace becoming real, Vaquero only hunting cause his last target is too, Night Mother wants occult secrets, The Shroud is ultra cursed and is looking for reprieve from the occultists she used to work for

[warm quartz]

What's wrong with liking murder?

No other profession offers so much murder

[lucid anvil]

Nothing, just not particularly interesting when that’s all there is to the story

[warm quartz]

Soldiers have all those pesky officers

Criminals mostly there for the moni and power play

[lucid anvil]

Needs to be balanced out so not everyone is a psychopath

[warm quartz]

I feel like most hunters remaining have to be psychopaths

[real cedar]

It's also a dead end for storytelling, which makes sense since a lot of these character aren't meant to have a story past "they joined the Hunt for you to use"

[real dove]

Well

[warm quartz]

Most of legendary hunter ARE one note

[real dove]

why bother making the characters interesting if you arent going to have lore about them anyway

[warm quartz]

Just there to take place I guess

[real dove]

:|

[real cedar]

It's the difference between "...and that's why they joined the Hunt" and "This could be where the Hunt takes them..." one is an ending, the other gives intrigue towards a continuation, even if it never comes. It makes em feel more active to me, wanting more than just clocking in to Hunt.

[warm quartz]

They set the background for other hunters

[fickle sluice]

I mean, the story can only focus on so many characters without making a mess. I get it. But yeah, a bit more flavour besides potato would be nice.

[real cedar]

Naturally some Hunters are going to be clock punchers and that's alright too

[warm quartz]

Nobody is going to like "good guy" hunter who is there to bring order to the bayo if it's just sad people trying to scrape out enough money to get out

No, we need to understand that it's a psychopath battle royale shitshow

[granite shard]

I think there's still potential for stories with hunters whose lore is "this is why they joined the hunt" -- like what we saw with sofia in tides/wake really moved her past "her family died so she made a deal with death and also likes killing people" but like that was from both event storylines alongside the book of weapons stuff

which... we're not getting more of for anyone

[real dove]

I think we still have a bunch of interesting characters

i just dont think we're gonna get anyhting on them

[granite shard]

we do have interesting characters, it's just rough knowing that they're not gonna go anywhere

so it makes it harder to actually get interested in them

[noble scarab]

We have “good guy” hunters that still hunt and and also try to help, bridgewater, technically Hardin, brewer, Luz mala, and a few more

[real dove]

dod felt very good guy

gal?

[lucid anvil]

What is the Bridgwater lore anyway?

[granite shard]

and idk, I am absolutely coming down on things harder than I would have six months ago bc I'm in a less happy place w the game

[real dove]

Hardin is only good guy if it helps him

[noble scarab]

Mans was a buffalo soldier that found out about the hunt and thought he’d do more good by hunting than by killing natives

[lucid anvil]

Huh. Nice.

[warm quartz]

keep my husband's name out of your goddamn mouth

[real dove]

Hardin

:P

[warm quartz]

He is an angel and I love him and he will save the bayo

[real dove]

By killing everyone

sure

[warm quartz]

He did nothing wrong ever

All those orphans asked for it

And they probably were evil too

[noble scarab]

They for sure were evil after they died and came back

[warm quartz]

Anyhow, new hunter

What does knife thrower assistant do?

Hang cozily on the target wheel?

[real cedar]

She was the one who got strapped to the board, ye

[warm quartz]

Or pass around knives?

[real cedar]

Hence the big scar on her face

[warm quartz]

When where did she learn to throw knives then?

[fickle sluice]

Would you like to know how she got these scars?

[real cedar]

Lotta downtime in a circus, and the knives are right there

She may have also been the second act kinda thing, backup thrower but not the main event

[granite shard]

Plus lots of time to observe how the guy threw knives

[noble scarab]

Now if only throwing knives were useful ingame

[lucid anvil]

Well they buffed them, so I think they’re decently ok

[noble scarab]

Axes and the spear both overshadow knives sadly

[real cedar]

they used to, but knives are now the top of the trio

[granite shard]

Yeah

Knives got turbobuffed and the spear got shat on

[noble scarab]

I haven’t seen anyone using them

[real dove]

I take axes when i dont bring lance

[warm quartz]

Throwing weapons are all for that quiet one-shot

[noble scarab]

I need that space for a flare gun tbh

[warm quartz]

Knives need a headshot and can't oneshot armoreds

So into the trash they go

[noble scarab]

This was pre-buff, but the amount of times I failed to kill a hive with all 6 knives or even 3 axes spoke volumes of their usefulness