lore-discussion

[zenith perch]

Oh wait, it was his frayed sleeves I think, thought it has like ribbons tied to it

[real cedar]

I had the same double take when you mentioned it looked off, ye. The barrel writing and the circular symbol match up though

[zenith perch]

Thought it has stuff tied to it

Swamp Peach is a decent fit

I didn't think about using that Krag with Bloody Red

[real cedar]

Any of the wolf-themed skins would work with her. I'd say the Lebel Marksman Once Bitten especially fits

[noble scarab]

theres the whole wolf themed pack^

[zenith perch]

Yeh

[noble scarab]

an uppercut, the lebel, a crown

maybe 1 more?

[zenith perch]

I wish it was a regular lebel and not the marksman

[noble scarab]

wolfsbane is a lebel aperture

[zenith perch]

The other one, the one with all the scratches on it

I hope we get a scrapbeak BB themed weapon set with the lebel talon

lebel talon and chain conversion

Lebel Talon, Chain Pistol, Medkit, and a ammo box

[real cedar]

Now that I think about it, I really don't mind them retreading old ground and expanding the classic hunters. Giving them new weapon charms and skins and the occasional new buddy hunter has had a better track record than a lot of the new additions this year. The roster is already so huge, it feels good for them to not get forgotten.

I hope Ishim Gird gets a similar upgrade to his connections. For being the head of one of the OG splinter factions and connected to a compound like Redneck is, he's hardly mentioned.

[lucid anvil]

Anyone know what type of cannons are on fort Carmick?

Trying to find out if they are breach loaders or not

I think they must be, because they are pretty substantial

[real cedar]

I couldn't find a good enough image online but loading into the shooting range would answer it pretty quick. It looks like it has the crank for it here

[lucid anvil]

Yes, I saw the crank, but I’m not familiar with how it operates. I assumed it must be, but I wanted confirmation:) thanks!

[zenith perch]

Well said

[tiny plover]

New grandpa looks great. Anyone mention he's likely the story teller for the holloween trailer, if that matters at all?

Also his animation is fucking great. Gives that cantankerous old veteran image a great boost

[tiny plover]

Dude Ive been saying it for years now, but religious hunters of any denomination seem to be a touchy subject. I mean shit, we've only got 1 more voodoo-esque hunter we've seen in AGES. In a supernatural game half set in NO

[real cedar]

They did a really good job of writing for Hail Mary in the final weapon masteries so I think they can do it well if they go for it. You're probably right in that it's a sensitivity thing that makes em reluctant.

[manic lichen]

So Grandpa Moses is flipping the bird which is well... quite open-minded of him as that is not a gesture that came to the US until around the 1880's, so he, as an old man, adopted this "modern" gesture.

[real cedar]

He probably picked it up from Millie

[noble scarab]

We got pappy Moses who is evidently a devout hunter, the redneck, who sat in desalle till the aha found him and made him a hunter, and Millie who only recently started hunting

[tiny plover]

Certainly gives more credibility to the whole "natural resilance" to corruption the Moses family seems to have.

Whether thats to do with something physical or mental, the Moses' have it

[noble scarab]

Have we done any speculating on harvest at all? Based on his hunter animation, I kinda think harvest is the pumpkin, not the guy. In his first form you see him stumbling around and trying to remove his pumpkin, then the second one, he’s violently trying to remove it, lastly he stabs another pumpkin, which seems to show that the man and pumpkin are one

[real cedar]

There's some old lore from a past Halloween event about the pumpkins that might be connected:
Hunters have reported feeling strange around the gourds that have popped up around the Hunt. They're said to draw you in and whisper delights into your ear. The yellow pumpkins beg to be destroyed; to be trampled and shot and sliced until they are nothing but feed for crows. Some have come back feeling strange after encountering those yellow pumpkins, that their odd, sweet scent makes them lose themselves in joy and pleasure and when they wake up hours may have gone by. The AHA originally wanted Hunters to avoid pumpkins at all costs but more began to grow and the Hunt became perilous. So, there is only one thing to do: Get rid of them all as quickly as possible.
If you tie that in with the animations, it could be that Harvest lost himself in the madness that the pumpkins bring and essentially shed his old identity to become this so-called avatar of dark sight.

[noble scarab]

That’d make sense, especially with his 3rd form

[real cedar]

One other potential point with the animations is that Harvest Midnight is specifically using Reaper's Arm to stab the pumpkin. Could Lynch have had a hand in his transformation? She's known to invent occult equipment and has meddled with explosives before in her own lore.

[noble scarab]

I’m willing to bet any of Lynch’s weapons would be considered important to the demented

Could be they found her weapons after she left for the land of the dead and started using them

[granite shard]

I feel like the demented wouldn't like lynch

to an extent I think they would see her more as a threat or a roadblock

[noble scarab]

They might not know she was against the sculptor

We only know she was plotting vs it due to BATS and I guess the drowned

Hunters really only began to suspect lynch in desolations wake

Before that she was just a scary person who provided occult knowledge and experimental weapons

Including dark sight, flash bombs, the ritual blood, etc

[granite shard]

yeah I guess for me it's that I just think that the way the demented have been shown don't really seem to line up with how lynch has been presented

[real cedar]

In any case, Harvest is Pact of Omens anyway so there's little connection to be had there

[noble scarab]

I think she would be able to control or use the demented, maybe even gain a few converts eventually

Didnt we theorize that omens was a mix of demented and night cult members?

[orchid tangle]

So Ghostface backstory was supposed to be harvest and then got changed last second, is my headcanon

[noble scarab]

That makes as much sense as anything

[real cedar]

Going with the assumption that the list of boosted hunters correspond to the pacts, the only Demented hunter is Scarecrow (but he's a Halloween skin so disputable) and there are no Night of the Hunter characters in the list. Several Lunar Pact members came back though such as The Prescient and Luz Mala.

[noble scarab]

I included the night cult because of the bonus charm from last event, made by the night acolyte

[real cedar]

Yeah, it seemed like there would be a connection there but it hasn't come to fruition

[granite shard]

I think it's entirely possible that there would have been a story thread being developed for the event prior to the culling of the narrative

imo it's entirely possible the night acolyte would have led a new pact if there would have been a narrative

[noble scarab]

We might’ve seen a resurgence of the voodoo faction as well, what with the new voodoo hunter

[granite shard]

I think the way we now have these narrative threads sitting there that will seemingly never be expanded upon from here on out is so frustrating

like there had been a point to the bee and pig thing. the same writers who wrote the tides trilogy had been behind scorched earth and wouldn't have forgotten that they killed the butcher's cleaver

but we're just never gonna find out what the plan was there (::::

it just sucks and I'm struggling to feel excited abt any sort of new hunter release now. like it all just feels so pointless now that there's no real ongoing narrative thread

and it feels bad man :/

[real cedar]

Same as it ever was, in some ways. Going all the way back to 2019 with Bad as they Seem ending with "Let's go find Finch" and then that doesn't get expanded upon until 2021.

Oh wait, The moon trilogy was 2022 wasn't it

[granite shard]

yeah 2022

but like at least there had been stuff in the works then. the BATS stuff might not have gotten any movement but there were still book of weapons entries, and then the hunter DLCs started getting lore with I believe the prodigal daughter in 2021

and then the introduction of event storylines

and now... I guess we get DLC hunter lore but what's the point if there's no development for the rest of the world?

[noble scarab]

We won’t know for sure until next event I guess

[granite shard]

we're gonna get distrait hunter backgrounds and then occasionally DLC hunters with 40 word backstories

[noble scarab]

But I’d guess we get a similar trailer that’s just nonsense

[real cedar]

Hey now, it's an average of 350 words I'll have you know

[granite shard]

idk. I hate feeling like a doomer but it just really sucks looking at the future of the narrative for hunt and seeing it look so bleak

[noble scarab]

More random tiered hunters who’s backstory is “x liked killing”

[granite shard]

oh not DLC-- blood bond hunters lmao

[real cedar]

Ah true

[granite shard]

and maybe it's also bc we finally saw things starting to come together that it feels so bad

[real cedar]

If they are going into a holding pattern on the lore, I think that's all the more reason to keep up with expanding old hunters. If we can't get progression, we can at least get fanservice.

[granite shard]

fanservice just makes it feel worse to me tho

[real cedar]

Most hunters have only a few sentences worth of personality so every new weapon skin can be another perspective on em, like Felis' habit of gift giving

[granite shard]

idk. I think with the redneck his original archetype was that he's kinda an everyman in a sense-- he's just Some Dude who got caught up in shit and now his daughter's a badass and his dad's also a badass

[noble scarab]

Then we get off theme skins like the crossbow that is built for the prodigal son, that was somehow carters, then sold to the redneck

[granite shard]

like not every new thing added to characters is bad, I think generally the weapon skins have added a lot to hunters, and some of the expanded hunters have been good (I think the redneck's daughter was good in a vacuum but now feels weaker with the addition of pappy), but idk

[noble scarab]

I think with them, it should’ve been one or the other

[granite shard]

ultimately it goes down to my issue with the "ever expanding mythos of hunt" which like. how is it ever expanding if you've fired narrative designers and killed off any major form of story expansion?

[icy brook]

A mile wide an inch deep

[earnest jungle]

It they close/archive this chat I’ll take it as a sign it’s time to exit the game

I don’t want to be a doomer either but like the lore is the reason I got into the game and without it… well I don’t see any point in staying

The fact they haven’t yet is the only thing keeping any hope of the lore coming back at all.

[zenith perch]

I'm not gonna be a doomer about it, even though David said there's no current plan to add the lore back awhile ago there's always the possibility that they will, especially if we continously give them feedback. And if they don't add lore back, then the don't, I'll just move on and still play the game. Yes I'll miss the lore a lot, but I still love the game play and playing with my friends on here.

[icy brook]

I understand that you can’t just organize these types of things with a flick of the wrist, but I can’t believe that there hasn’t been a license deal for a novel

I know the show concept is dead but still, there is so much revenue potential for license deals

[faint nimbus]

Sorry I’m late to these conversations but I assume it’s confirmed now that pappy redneck is the guy from the harvest of ghosts trailer

[real cedar]

Yup, same tattoo on the forehead

[faint nimbus]

does his description say what his service was? He has a lot of medals

[real cedar]

Here's the description. The medals are general Civil War service medals, no mention of what he did except that one might mean he served in New Jersey

Then again, it could just be fluff meant to show he was a civil war vet, not an exact identifier

Two of the other medals were created in 1905 for instance

[faint nimbus]

I was gonna say the one on the far right with the four sides looks a little modern but what do I know

[zenith perch]

You guys think that he was with the Union or Confederacy

[granite shard]

the new jersey thing probably means union

the other CW related hunters have all been tied directly to the union (PD's mom, captain lafitte even tho he's from LA lmao) so alongside the new jersey medal, it probably points to a union guy

[real cedar]

99 times out of 100 you can assume a Hunt character with civil war ties was with the Union

[zenith perch]

The only Confederate character I know of is Scrapbeak

Tragic story for him

I have a tier 2/3 hunter I saved and she has a big grey coat on, but I don't it has anything to do with the Civil War

But it would be cool of we had more hunters that were Civil War vets or are descendants of those vets on both sides

A lot of cool opportunities for backstories and stuff

[noble scarab]

I would guess they’d not want to touch anything confederate related

[zenith perch]

Yeah

[real cedar]

We got a couple new ones with Otis Blackwell and Jesse Buchanan (though from his bio I think he mugged a vet rather than served 30 years ago)

[zenith perch]

I remember that discussion

[real cedar]

Hopefully we'll get some more of that sort of thing when the other T2/T3s return. Surely by then hunter bios will have returned, right?

[zenith perch]

Hopefully

I remember reading stories about brothers joining up opposite sides of the war and that could be a good opportunity for a dlc

[worthy abyss]

I don't think he’s confederate but that may just be me

He might be, but I always thought they just fucked up the shade of blue of his coat

[zenith perch]

In the trailer for him it shows him as a Confederate iirc

And lore videos mention that as well

[real cedar]

Another point to consider: in the History of Fort Carmick blogpost, the fort was taken over by the Union in 1862, while the trailer occurs in 1863. So the people defending the fort (Like Avis) would be union soldiers

[zenith perch]

Also if I remember correctly he was holding a LeMatt

[worthy abyss]

Uppercut I think

[zenith perch]

Oop

Nevermind

[worthy abyss]

Close enough

[real cedar]

So there really are no Confederates in Hunt, not a single one.
Did reconstruction go differently in that universe? Shipped them off somewhere?

[worthy abyss]

The real answer is that adding a Confederate Hunter as DLC might not fly with the public

There’s a possibility (or just an optional headcanon) that some Tier III/Regulated Hunters like Thaddeus were Confederates, since their coats are black but Civil-War era. However the African-American Tier IIIs can sometimes be seen wearing the same thing so who knows 🤷

[void steeple]

African Americans fought for the Confederacy as well though

[worthy abyss]

Some were with the Confederacy at the time, but it was mostly illegal to have them as soldiers though

[void steeple]

Depends on the location I guess

[granite shard]

if crytek has sidestepped every legendary hunter with ties to the civil war being a confederate, and even a boss, I do not think they would make a black guy a former confederate soldier lol

[worthy abyss]

Yeah no lmao

Well, there is a Tier II out there who’s African-American and wears a brown military coat, so that’s the closest we’ve gotten lmao

[zenith perch]

So Scrapbeak isn't a Confederate?

[faint nimbus]

No he was most likely a Union soldier

[zenith perch]

Damn, I was under the wrong impression this entire time

[worthy abyss]

The Tier II I mentioned is evidence that Confederate gear and guns are still around to be bought/sold/stolen, at the very least

Same with the Maynard and LeMat

[manic lichen]

Which one?

[zenith perch]

I remember finding out about a lot of Hispanics and Latios serving in the Confederacy in platoons and thinking it would be cool to see stuff like that in hunt

[manic lichen]

why?

At the time of Hunt the confederacy had not been a thing for over 30 years.

[zenith perch]

I like the trope in westerns of former soldiers of the Civil War being outlaws/lawman

True Grit being my favorite example. Love that movie to death

[worthy abyss]

Let me find him

[green pollen]

A confederate soldier personally I don’t think would be a bad edition, but they would prob have to do more with his lore than him just being a confed

[earnest jungle]

Based on the Uniforms there are, or perhaps were, random hunters that had the same uniform as we see in the Scrapbeak Trailer. I'm not surprised the Devs want to avoid potentially pissing on the third rail that is the American Civil War by having former confederate soldiers as legendary skins. They tend to avoid the topic of racism all together with the exception of a handful of legendary hunters, and the Armored Lore entry

[real cedar]

Like Rexli says, it's best that they avoid confederate skins that the player can use just cause of the times. The absolute avoidance of them even in obscure lore is a weird quirk though.

[earnest jungle]

No they didn't, while Black Confederate Soldiers did technically exists to say they fought would be inaccurate. The Louisiana Native Guard never saw combat as black men were legally proscribed from serving as combat troops for most of the Civil War. This did not change until March 13th 1865 when the Confederate Congress enacted legislation to permit slaves to be armed and to fight as soldiers. This was however a desperate last act to stave off the inevitable defeat of the Confederacy. And even then it was an extremely controversial decision as there were no shortage of Confederate Citizens, Politicians, and Soldiers who would rather lose the war than win it with an army of slave soldiers.

Active Fighting ended three weeks after the law went into effect and thus there are no records anywhere of any black soldiers being recruted as soldiers to serve in a combat role

The closest we get to African Americans fighting for the confederacy are occasional references to enslaved laborers who accompanied confederate armies during the chaos of battle to defend themselves. But these slaves were not soldiers, and though some were granted pensions after the war they were never recognized as soldiers. And it is quite telling that these individuals are known primarily from union accounts and not confederate accounts.

Which makes sense

It would be deeply embarrassing for the confederacy to win a battle because their enslaved teamsters, cooks, and laborers took up arms given they were fighting a war over the belief that those same men were their natural inferiors

The hostility of the Confederate Government to the idea of enlisting black soldiers can best be seen with Major General Patrick Cleburne - a young up and coming general in the Confederate Army whose promising military career was killed stone dead by him suggesting that the Confederate Army not only recruit enslaved black men as soldiers but to grant them their freedom in reward for their service.

Cleburne should also not be understood as a radical, he did not believe in the equality between black and white Americans. Instead he recognized that slavery was becoming a liability to white supremacy instead of an asset and if the social order of the South was to be preserved it would be necessary to abolish slavery and replace it with more subtle systems of economic and political control.

[void steeple]

There were examples though of blacks fighting, look into Holt Collier for example

[earnest jungle]

Collier is exactly the kind of person I'm talking about. Holt Collier was never a soldier in the Confederate Army he was 12 year old slave who was forced to work as a hunter by his owner to supply the army with meat. Any combat role he may have played during the war would have been strictly unofficial and would not have been recognized by either the Confederate Government, Military, or his owner.

[void steeple]

He was a soldier though

[earnest jungle]

Not really

Soldier implies he was enlisted

And he wasn't, he was a camp slave any combat role he may have played would be strictly unofficial and unrecognized.

[green pollen]

If the fort was claimed by union forces, why in the trailer is Avis charging towards the fort. Also the uniforms in the trailer are way too light, especially the jacket and cap

[real cedar]

He's in the trenches going towards Maw Battery after the fort got hit with cannonfire, and subsequently he gets blown up by a cannon. Seems like the narrative puts him on the defending side

[green pollen]

Hm, alrighty

[spiral mica]

I always wondered how Scrapbeak lost his legs and assumed cannon fire was the most likely reason

[earnest jungle]

Also he was regarded as a hero in the scrap beak entry of the book of monsters which would be unlikely if he was a union soldier.

As it is established by the lore for the slaughter house that Rural Louisana was not friendly to suspected unionist

[spiral mica]

come to think of it the only boss that wasn't a person is butcher

well I guess spider is more of a collection of people rather than one person

[earnest jungle]

Rotjaw was also not a person if we count wild cards as bosses

[spiral mica]

I prefer to categorize wild targets separately from the compound bosses

Hellborn isn't really a person either it's essentially just the result of human sacrificing

the mountain man even refers to it as an "it" in the reveal trailer because he realizes whatever it is was never human to begin with

[real cedar]

Nah, Hellborn is specifically Delacroix

[spiral mica]

and on the topic of Confederate hunters I think yeah, they would definitely exist in the lore but I don't see Crytek ever adding one into the game. The only exception where I could see a Confederate hunter working in the game is something like Ethan Hawke aka Goodnight Robicheaux from The Magnificent Seven, where he is a former Confederate sharpshooter who suffers from PTSD and is a heavy drinker. In my opinion an Ethan Hawke inspired hunter would be perfect because he is a Cajun French speaking man born in Louisiana.

but let me clarify that I'd much rather prefer Ethan Hawke as an inspiration for an original character hunter as opposed to the actual Ethan Hawke being added to the game. Something similar in appearance to Shade being inspired by Clint Eastwood and Silver spur being inspired by Doc Holliday/Arthur Morgan.

and let me also clarify that any "Confederate hunter" would actually be an ex-Confederate because there would be no confederacy in the year 1896 because they lost the war.

[green pollen]

the kkk however...

[worthy abyss]

@manic lichen He was most notably seen in The Kid's trailer, where he shot one of his triomates with a bow
sorry for being so late))

[spiral mica]

You can go ahead and forget any depiction of that group right now because there is no chance in hell that Crytek would ever do anything like that ever.

though hunt has crazy lunatics and doomsday cultists so they'd probably fit right in with the rest of the freaks in the game.

[earnest jungle]

I mean… one of the principle Characters in the background for the game was was a fellow by the name of Philip Huff Jones

Who was a real person

[spiral mica]

Yeah and that's a written depiction not a physical hunter skin depiction as I'm sure Nugget here is referring to

[earnest jungle]

And while the historical Huff was not a klansman he was a member of the White League a White Supremacist Terror Group

And took part in the Battle or Liberty place an unsuccessful coup attempt to oust the reconstruction era government

But he was also consistently portrayed negatively

[spiral mica]

I don't understand what you're getting at though just because there is written lore depiction of historical people belonging to white supremacist nationalist groups I do not and never will want a hunter that physically depicts that sort of history in the game.

[flat elk]

I don't think it's something to bring up here

[green pollen]

I know I know I know

Mb

[spiral mica]

No it's fine you were obviously bringing it up in a historical reference sense and not promoting said group I get that

[earnest jungle]

I wasn’t really getting at anything

I was just thinking aloud

[spiral mica]

It's a mature topic in history for sure but this game is rated M for mature and I'd hope we could be reasonable and mature adults when discussing darker spots in history such as this one.

[earnest jungle]

Honestly I kind if wish Hunt would talk about the darker aspects or history; it can be argued that there exists a dark parallel between the sculptor’s invasion of our realm and the westward expansion of the United States

[granite shard]

I might suggest maybe we leave this topic here and move onto something else

I get hunt’s a rated M for mature game but I think this is a sensitive topic that has been largely avoided in the game for a reason for a reason

[spiral mica]

yeah it is kind of wishful thinking on my part to believe that everyone would be able to maturely handle topics like that so best to move on

[green pollen]

That would actually be really cool, we’ve kinda seen that already with the greed in Colorado but that’s just surface level evils in comparison to everything that’s happened in the 1800s

[spiral mica]

So I'm a little confused is Pappy redneck a new blood bond hunter or is he a teaser for an upcoming dlc character?

[granite shard]

He’s a blood bond hunter

[green pollen]

Blood bond

[granite shard]

Available in game now I believe

[spiral mica]

interesting I'll have to take a look at his bio when I've got time.

aside from his obvious military background and him being the head of the Moses family I don't really don't anything else about him.

[real cedar]

I don't like this style they've been doing lately of just dropping skins willy nilly outside of patches with no paper trail except for social media posts. They did it back in update 1.11 and I nearly missed that the skins existed when I was compiling the compendium.
It makes tracking what skins appeared when harder for people looking back.

[spiral mica]

apparently the crossbow deadeye skin from the event belongs to him even though it shares an appearance with all the skins that Prodigal son owns.

[manic lichen]

No worries and yeah, guess that is a confederate uniform, tho it is also a color swapped model of the union one we have in the game.

[lucid anvil]

He is.

500BB ish I think

[lucid anvil]

The fact we need to clarify this because they’re doing collaborations now lol

[lucid anvil]

Is it specifically the one guy then? I was under the impression it was kinda like the spider- an amalgamation of all the people sacrificed.

[real cedar]

The previous test subjects just exploded and burned up and were considered failures cause they didn't have proper occult reactions. Only Delacroix was in the hole when the transmutation occurred. Further, the Hellborn model itself doesn't have any amalgamation motifs to it, he's just one guy but bigger and fiery.

[lucid anvil]

Ah, fair enough. It’s been a while, I thought I remembered him having two heads.

[crimson dock]

what do we know about the lore of Drifter?

[granite shard]

His hunter bio is all we have

[real cedar]

Jefferson Shiloh made his name playing the stalwart hero on stage, but he made precious little coin. When the Infection claimed his crewmates, he exchanged props for guns and brought his stage persona to life on the Hunt, where it finally earned a killing.
and High Noon:
Stage actor Jefferson Shiloh had one role above all others that he relished performing: a gunslinger, betrayed, slain, and resurrected to court vengeance. Once he turned his sights to the Corruption, Shiloh brought that role to life, turning the legend into a far grislier truth.
And he does some stuff in the Scorched Earth Trailer, gets revenge on the guys who betrayed him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiO-DVP8AGg

[crimson dock]

Thank you both!!

[real cedar]

So it's a nordic shaman type, interesting

Ahh damnit

People were right

[granite shard]

Not my favorite but he’s better than the Vikings, more folklorey

[lucid anvil]

Huh… I… don’t hate that.

[real cedar]

Time to reconsider

[lucid anvil]

Ah. Well, the hunter is decent at least..?

[granite shard]

Oof

Link to the steam page?

[real cedar]

Krag Sniper!
Awful skin style

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3204810/Hunt_Showdown_1896__Taker_of_Trophies/

Steam

Hunt: Showdown 1896 - Taker of Trophies

This DLC contains one Hunter, two Weapons, and one Tool:- Skull Taker (Hunter) - Hidden Strike (Krag Sniper) - Liar’s Bite (Sparks Pistol) - Snake in the Grass (Bear Trap)Skull TakerSkull Taker is fueled by a primal pride. The trophies in his collection were all taken while his prey still drew breath. The runes carved into his mask are meant to ...

Release Date

Coming soon

[lucid anvil]

Shame they’re doing so much reusing… but I think they did an excellent job with the Hunter

Oh, it’s a guy? Huh… maybe I’ve found a new main… we will see I suppose.

I always feel weird running female hunters as a guy. I don’t know why, particularly, I just do

[real dove]

He's out! I love his mask

[real cedar]

The story is pretty nice, the most interesting part is him stealing the injection for himself from a trapped hunter. Suggests that some of em carry the inoculation for quick recruitment.

[real dove]

He carried skulls that showed a lifetime dedicated to the art of killing beasts, some so rare most of the world had forgotten them.

this explains some things

[lucid anvil]

Out now!?

[real dove]

no

but like

[lucid anvil]

Awwww

[real dove]

you can see him

[lucid anvil]

I can perceive

[lucid anvil]

That’s interesting actually. I’ll have to give it a read.

[granite shard]

I can’t see anything

But yeah he’s significantly better than the Vikings

[lucid anvil]

Ooh, that is interesting…

Might have something to replace DA lol

I’ve never pulled away, but those two are pretty similar, so…

I like his cloak

And antlers

[granite shard]

He’s not my favorite hunter in the world but leaning more folklore than Vikings the tv show is just a much better direction

[real cedar]

Better shot of him

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, ok, that mask is super nice.

Art team did a nice job with this one

[real dove]

he's dope

[granite shard]

People can put the “this is a secret predator crossover skin” conspiracy fears to rest thank god lmao

[real dove]

frfr

yay for another male hunter dlc tho! :D He is hella cool

maybe they'll give him clicking noises in his load in for people

[lucid anvil]

XD

[visual finch]

I was wondering, does that means that a ritual is not necessary? The inoculation is sufficient?

[spiral mica]

Oh my God I called it

We got a krag sniper finally

[real cedar]

🤔 good question. The Mountie was similarly unceremoniously injected, so it seems that simply getting it into your veins is all that's needed.
The earlier lore about performing rituals and then drinking a concoction like Russel Chambers describes connects with the earlier version of the incoulation, before Lynch made her own. It could be that the ritual is more ceremonial induction into the AHA than a part of the alchemy, as Daniel Glanton doesn't describe any ritual with his own inoculation, just collecting herbs and boiling them.

[visual finch]

Yeah then probably the ritual is just some formality. It's the Mountie the first one that we have trace of a hunter not partaking the ritual?

[real cedar]

As far as I remember, yeah. Everyone else took the inoculation willingly, The Mountie got forced into it by John Victor.

[spiral mica]

Definitely might have to add this guy to my hunters just for the krag sniper and plus I don't own a sparks pistol skin either so it's a win win for me

I'm not a huge fan of the fact that they once again just reused skin models but again it's not the worst model in the world so I can look past it this time.

[real cedar]

It does feel weird cause most of the time these skin themes are all associated with something. The earlier ghillie skins were all about the start of Mammon's Gulch, now it's a mix between that and a master hunter

[spiral mica]

They're good skins with good lore but at the same time just like all the trapper stuff it's just a platform for them to reuse the model

[visual finch]

Also the runic symbol he got on the skull - the Vigvisir - is icelandic. First Iceland hunter confirmed?

[spiral mica]

Didn't one of the vikings also have the Vigvisir?

[noble scarab]

Glanton likely had the old inoculation, which was made of herbs and a hunter’s heart/blood

[spiral mica]

And I thought the Vigvisir originated from Denmark

[noble scarab]

Also seconding all the hunter looks good, but man those skins are fugly

The bear traps are ok

[real cedar]

Probably not, the lore of this guy traveling everywhere and picking up occult rituals to further his hunt means he could've started anywhere.

[visual finch]

mh good point

[spiral mica]

I'm just curious what the exact specifications are to him being some kind of shaman

Like is he more of a Germanic tribesman type shaman or a Icelandic viking type shaman

Hell he could even be an Irish druid I simply don't know

[green pollen]

His lore only mentioned polar bears, narwhals, anacondas, and wolves, so I assume he’s gone all the way up and down the Americas hunting

[noble scarab]

I don’t even really think he is a shaman. I think he’s just a hunter that got really into ritualistic killing being a shaman is a lot different than that especially for the time period we’re looking at he may simply be styled that way

[real cedar]

He's performing naturalistic rituals and receiving visions for them, that's textbook shamanism

[spiral mica]

He could be Inuit. Viking explorers like Leif Erikson made contact with Inuit and other indigenous peoples long before people like Columbus even had the idea to travel.

Inuit people also have a very strong and deep hunting culture. They believe every living thing has a spirit and maybe taking trophies is his way of honoring the kills he's made.

[noble scarab]

Shamans usually are trying to help nature and the spirits, this guy is just out here murdering things

So maybe he’s more of a dark shaman or skinwalker-esque

[real cedar]

Yeah, the little bit missing is the social connection and healing that's normally associated with shamans

[spiral mica]

It really depends some shamans would oversee ritualistic war ceremonies like ones involving prepping Úlfhéðnar for battle.

[real cedar]

There's like four competing definitions of what a shaman is, and Skull Taker hits 2/4, good enough for me

[brazen root]

yeah pretty cool that he doesn't work for the AHA

wonder what he does with tokens, if he even takes them at all lmao

[noble scarab]

I think the aha is a bit of an afterthought now. I guess someone still pays out the bounties but we don’t know who took over after finch

We know the northern and southern branches collapsed, I forget if they mentioned a western one

[real dove]

Yeah, aha has crumpled in, bounties are being paid out by Mr business man as far as the lore seemed to say

Who knows know tho

[spiral mica]

I wish I knew just how many hunters actually don't directly work for the AHA

Like because Chary was technically the last(current?) director for the AHA does that mean basically all of Infernal pact works for the AHA too?

And yeah the lore for the AHA seems to have changed and it doesn't even feel like they're a focus anymore. We have people like Preston and the benefactors paying out bounties. I'm also still wondering who the benefactors exactly are. Are they more business men? Are they another secret society like the AHA was? Or could it even be the federal government of the United States?

[brazen root]

in addition to paying out bounties, who tf is making and handing out inoculum

[spiral mica]

Well if it was the federal government probably them too

[zenith perch]

New skin is a instant buy for me

[lucid anvil]

Oh for sure. It’s super nice.

[spiral mica]

Yeah I think I've gotta get it

Just for the krag sniper and the hunter is cool

I'm going to assume he's Primal pact too his bio even mentions he has Primal pride

So even though he isn't part of the Frisk family in a way I got what I wanted a new addition to the best pact in the game

[tiny plover]

Strictly speaking there are 4 magior kinds of party in play in the Hunt.

The folks who are in it for money, like those in the Smugglers pact or your average non-legendary hunter. Many of these dudes are former AHA, or have connections to similar resources.

The folks who are in it to curb the apocolypse and fight back the corruption. Anyone from religious fanatics to lawmen, they're the few hunters "Fighting the good fight."

Murder hobos, specifically those in the primal pact and adjacent groups. They are only in the Hunt to kill, be it monster or man, makes nk diffrence. These dudes range from normalish, say like Waldman, or anyone who's just a hunter of supernatural game, to psychos like our new Bone Boy, or Lonely Howl.

Last, Occult peoples, like Charey and the Demented Pact folks. Difftent outcomes sure, but both want power from the otherside. Assention at the cost of Hell on Earth, need be. I would sperate "good" occult practitoners like the Bone Doctor in the 2nd grouping, but honestly, its less cut and dry sides, and more of an 4 way allinment chart lol

[zenith perch]

The Demented pact?

[tiny plover]

So like, Im sure Lonely Howl and The Boner would get on great, assuming they dont kill one another. The Senior Frisks? Less so Id imagine.

Considering they're trying to put their son down for doing the same kinda stuff mentioned in the DLC description for Bonest.

Skull Taker. His name is Skull Taker. There is no bone in his name, dunno why I couldnt remeber it 5 seconds after reading

One of the few hunters without a 'real name' mentioned too.

[spiral mica]

to each their own

[spiral mica]

I think they'd probably get along fine for the most part as long as one doesn't view the other as a challenge to be conquered.

predators fight for territory so that's the only confrontation I'd see between them

ideally they could confront each other aggressively but then become friends later

that'd be a cool story to read

[granite shard]

eh, it was either put him down or bring him back into the fold

seeing as he's still around and kicking after devil's moon it seems like they just brought him back into the fold

[worthy abyss]

is there any lore related reason behind poison being as lethal as it is to monsters?

[spiral mica]

not that I know of particularly I'm sure there's probably some detailed information why assassin takes extra damage to poison in his entry

I'd assume it's the same reason why fire usually always works on some abominable creature in every universe

if you shoot something with a poisoned tip bullet it probably won't appreciate that very much

[noble scarab]

maybe it goes back to the serum making hunters just be built different. i think we see the plague docs kill a dude with their poison, and it does not go well for him

[real cedar]

The Necrosis hive bomb details the differences between an inoculated Hunter getting poisoned and a regular person, so presumably that sort of thing goes for all of the poisons in the game.

[green pollen]

Fucking wild how this game is so dark and serious at times and at other points it’s throwing jars of bees at people and knuckle dusting a screaming, running, burning corpse to death

[spiral mica]

or how you have cowboys with katanas and cavemen with guns

you got giant walking masses of flesh and leeches with fish hooks for weapons and poisonous women with a serious case of scoliosis

you got immolator creepers, hunts grim reapers aw man and you have fluffy the dog from call of duty zombies

a prehistoric princess gator that spews magical lightning from herself, a man made of writhing insects and elbow blades, big bird from sesame street but he has black air force energy, no legs and likes to hoard stuff, a skittering spider made of human corpses, a taxidermized meat abomination with a pig head mounted to it's neck and finally you've got demon of hatred from the hit game hunt showdown: shadows die twice.

this game has some pretty whacky lore

[warm quartz]

I like the his looks and lore

But weapons skins are terrible

He fought summoned things without the gamergirl bathwater serum

So I guess inoculation is only Scluptor thing

[zenith perch]

[real cedar]

YES

BLOODLINE HUNTERS GETTING THEIR LORE

AND EACH PROGRESSION HAS MORE LORE

[real dove]

[noble scarab]

But will we be able to read it after we get them?

Either way I’m excited to get some of our tiered hunters back

[real cedar]

Yup, the video shows these already unlocked and available to read in its own page down in the progression tab on Home

All the new lore from the video. Nothing too crazy but they have enough personality to set them apart

[noble scarab]

One of my favorite tier 2s, the guy with the bowler-ish hat got a new coat.

[real cedar]

The T2 coat looks better than the T3. I'm really glad that they are indeed separate unlockable skins and not an automatic progression as you level up the hunter as some predicted

[noble scarab]

Fingers crossed we get some of the other tier 3s

I honestly liked better him before he got either coat

[real cedar]

I'm gonna be spending so many hours doing PvE to unlock all these guys. It technically takes longer but I need the reliability for sure

Maybe one regular bounty hunt win to get them to like 20ish, then PvE from there on out

[noble scarab]

With a decent round I’ve been seeing my guys reach ~30 from one match

Then taking 2-3 more wins to get to 50

Or the best being land on 45, then die next match

[real cedar]

I've gotten into the habit of playing normal until I reach around 42, then doing one meathead farming match to get them to 50 for the retire bonus since I'm still prestiging. But with 18 or so skins to unlock, I can't wait until a good streak

[noble scarab]

Those exp boons have been helpful

[real cedar]

Definitely. I miss when they were semi-common in hunting towers rather than just supply points and firewatch towers

[gilded umbra]

I don’t use those hunters but this is really cool. 😎

[steady shell]

Hey yall, i just got the kid DLC and i really love it, but i noticed that the handkerchief on his right hand is blooded with gm i think on it, is this his moms and he's trying to find his killer or what?
Edit: Gm, not gw

[real cedar]

There's nothing specific in his lore that gives the handkerchief significance, but some theorize that it could be a reference to The Kid from Blood Meridian, who also had a wound on his hand from a bar fight.

[steady shell]

Ooh, thanks

[tiny plover]

AYY YOOO

AND WE FINALLY GET THE GLASSES LADY FROM THE OG SPLASH ART

I really gotta watch that update I keep forgetting

Maybe, just maybe, after like, 3k hours, Ill prestige once more, start the grind. Main thing at this point holding me back was losing all my old tier 2-3 hunters (because Im a horder).

[spiral mica]

So I found this guy underneath the bridge inside one of the mines. He's sitting in front of a interesting little statue that I couldn't quite make out and he's got a bag of decoys(?) next to him too. The only way I was able to find this was throwing a beetle underneath the bridge as this spot cannot be accessed otherwise.

I couldn't really get a better view of the little statue so I was wondering if anyone here had a better image or any information regarding it.

[calm grove]

Hello, I just realized something in deadfall Timber, we all know there is a tree which serve as a access ramp to the roof of the main building. But this tree has been sawned off by somebody who was certainly very new to the job of lumberjack, damaging the house. Or it's the irony of a lumberjack making a tree fall on his own house 🙂

And with the event, certainly didn't have time to correct the mistakes or being fired by the owner.

[lucid anvil]

Did we ever find that that last medal on pappy redneck was?

[real cedar]

Nope, we gotta get a spyglass on his body

[real cedar]

Which mine? Can you post a map with a dot vaguely in the area? I'll check it out when I can.

[lucid anvil]

Ok, it’s not a spyglass.. but I did find someone running the skin and get this:

Sorry for the low quality, I’ll see if I can get a better one

Here, wider shot, but that’s a screenshot I took

[real cedar]

Well by the eagle alone it certainly could be prussian rather than american. Looks like it has some writing on the top as well, that'll help in finding it.
My first instinct is that it's a circular medal attached to a maltese cross as a combo, rather than a wholly intact medal.

First possibility: The National Defense Service Medal, created in 1953

100%, this is the one. It all lines up

[lucid anvil]

Excellent!

I’m glad I could help :)

[eternal grove]

Do we know what the symbol means on the ring of dire wolf and on the cloak and mask of lonely howl?

[loud steeple]

I would guess it’s the family crest. Whether it has a meaning beyond that idk

[eternal grove]

The family contains dire wolf, lonely howl and luna wolf?

Are those members of a group as well?

[loud steeple]

Yes they all have the same surname

Frisk

[granite shard]

Dire wolf and Luna wolf are married and lonely howl is their son

[spiral mica]

Should be in between Split river and Oro iirc

Underneath that large catwalk leading to one of the armories with the metal slide doors

Like I said it's blocked off with boards so the only way to see it is with a beetle

[real cedar]

Alright, I'll go take a look and get some clearer screenshots for ya

[spiral mica]

Appreciate it!

[outer steeple]

Hey I have a question for you lore buffs in here

I've got pretty bad OCD and overthink certain things

anyway I found out there is tier 2 confederate soldiers skins, and would just like to ask if this game ever portrays the confederacy in a positive light

just wanna know because I stopped playing for a bit after finding out about the skins but think I may be overthinking it a tad, if the game never really shows them in a positive light

[warm quartz]

It portrays both American Civil War sides in negative light

[real cedar]

Outside of those T2 skins, which idk if they're actually confederate, there's basically zero mention of the confederacy except in online blog posts detailing the union winning against em, and the slight possibility that Scrapbeak might've been one back before he got tortured and turned into a monster, but that's debatable. No named hunters have any connection to em, no text lore characters have any connection to em, nothing.

[spiral mica]

The old LeMat pistol description referred to it as being the "infamous icon of the confederacy"

[spiral mica]

War is hell and if people knew where war would lead them than they wouldn't want to wage it

[outer steeple]

Thanks a ton, like I said.. huge overthinker

[granite shard]

I would be surprised to see hunt portray the confederacy in a positive light tbh. The lore has generally been really inclusive and like rai has said, has really gone out of its way to avoid a lot of confederacy mentions

Like one of the main examples is captain lafitte. He’s a dude from Louisiana, yet fought for the Union in the civil war

[real cedar]

Even more than that, he's a dude from Louisiana whose entire life has been basically cursed to be a loser

[granite shard]

Lmao yeah, if anyone would be a confederate it would be him since his whole character is “lmao look at how much this dude sucks” but even then they go out of their way to keep him unaffiliated w the confederacy

I think the more likely explanation w some of the potential confederate uniforms is like… military surplus essentially. None of these guys look old enough to have fought in a war that happened thirty years prior

[outer steeple]

I really do appreciate the answers though, I feel a lot better about returning to the game now

[warm quartz]

Do you really judge games by how they portray confederacy?

[icy brook]

If we’re digging into atrocities committed by weapon designs the Krag, Mosin, and trapdoor have the Lemat handily beat, but that conversation isn’t worth having

[spiral mica]

Weapons kill and people sin?! 😱

[spiral mica]

Something tells me they wouldn't like War of rights

It's a shame more people don't try games like hunt or war of rights there really isn't a lot of games out there that portray the mid to late 1800s

[real cedar]

I used the beetle exploit to get a better look, the statue is a miniaturized angel statue, the kind you see in Blanchett Graves

[spiral mica]

I guess I should've expected it wasn't anything new and just a reused asset but it's crazy how from behind it looked like something entirely unique

Also in that second image you sent it looks like there's runes on the side of the statue but thats probably just the reflection from the orange and red glow in beetle sight

[eternal hazel]

Is Pappy redneck connected to the “Redneck” Hunters?

Yea there connected, Moses Family

[topaz mirage]

Has anyone seen the aliens at king snake mine, the developers are hinting potentially that aliens may have something to do with the sculptors plans. If you look at the top of the frame at kingsnake you can see a dead alien body, nearer to the ufo

[green pollen]

What ufo what

[spiral mica]

Yeah I'm confused or completely uninformed if there's a ufo and an alien corpse at king snake mine

I'll need some screenshots or proof to verify that claim

I know people think the monolith statue is alien related but it's actually not

The only games I know that really prioritize alien Easter eggs is fallout with their crashed ufos and aliens

[green pollen]

Fuck you mean Easter egg, I beat one in the head with a 2x4 in fallout

[spiral mica]

Well the one in Fallout 1, 2, 3 and New Vegas were all Easter eggs because there was something specific you'd have to do to trigger them

But Fallout 3 had the mothership zeta dlc which was hardly an Easter egg and in Fallout 4 there was nothing special you needed to do just go to the correct location on the map and you'd see it

But in every Fallout game there is the presence of aliens called the zeta and they're not really Easter eggs just hidden parts of the game that are canon

[granite shard]

the hunt stuff is just an easter egg, nothing's ever been implied in canon itself abt aliens

[warm quartz]

What weapon do you think hunters would use if they didn't have to fight each other?

[real cedar]

Bomb Lance and a Vandal 73C would be very reliable for fighting targets and clearing out corrupted. Maybe trios where one guy uses a medium ammo rifle to down infected at range, one guy is the dedicated boss killer, and one guy is a switch hitter that supports em.

[warm quartz]

I mean lorewise

[noble scarab]

There’s a few ufos in game, actual Easter eggs, ones in desalle, and I think 1 in mammons

They’re small and are just kinda jutting out of rocks out of bounds

Don’t think there’s any alien bodies tho

Some of the burnt corpses kinda look like those weird plaster casts they keep parading around Peru I guess

[real cedar]

Lorewise the AHA was underfunded and poorly manned so they'd probably just use whatever guns they can reliably supply with ammo. Russel Chambers picked off grunts for a long while with just a nagant deadeye for instance. You'd probably see plenty of cut-down and modified guns, plenty of bayonet, hatchet, and trauma variants

[noble scarab]

Hardin was also having his kidnapped orphans just take guns and knives from the previously dead orphans as well

Not a lot of guns going around

Back then I guess if they needed a decent or exotic gun, it had to be smuggled in

That angle seems forgotten, but maybe the weapon supply has just improved

[real cedar]

More hunters from around the world getting involved + the treasures from the Delphine + the backers sending shipments, lots of money flowing now

[noble scarab]

Lots of hunters also probably brought in more guns when they joined, we see most if not all of the legendaries sporting additional weapons that aren’t their main one

[spiral mica]

I really hope it stays that way

extraterrestrials and cowboys is a fun concept to play around with but I don't really see it belonging in hunt at all

[granite shard]

I mean there’s really nothing to indicate the Easter eggs like that have any bearing on the story

[spiral mica]

I like the more supernatural and almost cosmic horror aesthetic that hunt has with all the entities and powers in the game

I know people have said it already but it would've been cool to get some lore on dark sight for this event

[noble scarab]

Lore? In hunt? Are you kidding?

[warm quartz]

It wasn't exactly underfunded, it consisted of the various professional hunters

It's just that as Louisiana event happened, those individuals were far spread and the event had to be contained here and now

So everyone who could hold a gun got recruited

[spiral mica]

no screwdrivers are kidding me

[spiral mica]

I think what he's pointing out is as an organization it was underfunded but how the organization was funded doesn't include the wealth or equipment availability of individual hunters.

[regal wolf]

whats up with this lore?

[real cedar]

I believe the side of that building mentions it's partly a bakery alongside a general store, so the owners must've had a kid who wanted to draw a cupcake with a face.

[real dove]

Fnaf

prolly not, but first thing that popped in my head

[warm glacier]

Kerrty who is a streamer

[real cedar]

Oh shit you're right, same little hands and everything

[granite shard]

I think the bakery’s sign also says bakerrty or something similar to that

[brazen root]

It do

Bakerry, with the optional T formed from the hanging cables

[manic lichen]

Armenian Hunters when?

[spiral mica]

There's a lot of potential for more international hunters

[limpid bobcat]

you saw the reddit post didn't you?

also I dig their pants

they would fit in hunt so much

[warm quartz]

As a water bags for someone wading in the bayo?

[spiral mica]

Are those Lebel rifles they have? I can't tell but they look like Lebels.

I guess it could be a Mauser m1893 too

[real cedar]

They're prop rifles from the photo studio that took the picture.

[spiral mica]

Oh so it's not an actual historical photo?

What is the exact origin of it?

[real cedar]

It's a real historical photo of presumably real Feyadi from 1895, but the rifles and revolver are fakes. Photo studios would provide all kinds of props and stuff for people to pose with.
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/two-armenian-women-pose-with-their-rifles-1895/

[spiral mica]

Ah that all makes more sense

I know there's studios that still exist today that take old timey photos like this with props and everything

[real cedar]

Realized I could translate Corrosive Vessel.
I think it says Tetragamaton but some of the letters are cut off and if that really is the word, it's misspelled

[spiral mica]

isn't Tetragranmaton a Hebrew name for god?

[real cedar]

It's the term for the name, ye

Though I don't really see the connection between that and Corrosive Vessel

[spiral mica]

neither do I maybe it's some kind of mistranslation or maybe they were trying to make up some random word using voynich and actually came close to a Hebrew word for god?

the only conclusion I could draw is that Corrosive Vessel previously belonged to someone of Hebrew origin but considering the skin's description doesn't actually mention that I can't really say for sure

[granite shard]

monkey's paw curls in

source: https://press.crytek.com/hunt-showdown-1896-teases-explosive-collaboration-with-post-malone

[warm quartz]

Who's Post Malone

[green pollen]

please god if they're gonna add post malone let it be his great great grandfather or something like that

[hidden arrow]

Past Malone

[granite shard]

I think it's just gonna be literally post malone and that dime story thing is our first hint of him

there was a balloon in the lawson delta teaser

so I think we're getting his fuckass circus based on that last paragraph

[warm quartz]

Apparently he's an american rapper and a singer

And they're adding him to hunt

Ghostface and his consequences have been disasterous for Hunt: Showdown

[zenith perch]

I don't think they're adding him, if they do I'd be surprised

[granite shard]

I mean look at the dime story

[noble scarab]

Are they saying lore is coming back as “dime novels” again

[zenith perch]

I think he's just gonna be in the lore or something for an event

[granite shard]

that's a hunt design for post malone if I've ever seen one

all of this feels like a build up for a stupid post malone event like apex had

[zenith perch]

Or at most a hunter based off of him, not actually him (I hope)

Post has had a history of playing and liking hunt way before the collab thing with ghost face

[granite shard]

licenses take some time to cook

idk man, there was a balloon in the background of the lawson delta teaser image and this whole dime story is abt him making a traveling circus

[zenith perch]

Carter gonna be in the lore frfr

[granite shard]

maybe he'll stay lore only but christ. lore only post malone still sucks

[zenith perch]

Calamity Jane based hunter please

More Wild West show hunters would go hard

[warm quartz]

Carter killed her in Hunt's universe ☝️🤓

[zenith perch]

Wat

[warm quartz]

Calamy Jane was killed by Carter

He killed her

[zenith perch]

[orchid tangle]

the only bar I held to this game to make it my favorite was the aesthetic

it's actually amusing how somehow they're fucking that up to me with such little requirement

[granite shard]

we'll see what happens. hopefully he's not actually in game

[orchid tangle]

well we were told ghostface actually does 100% fit in hunts aesthetic so if this guy does become a skin I'll be excited to hear their reasoning this time

[warm quartz]

I'd like to point out that there's an actual date on the paper

[real cedar]

Oh boy new lore!
Oh it's more cheap justifications for future collabs

[orchid tangle]

it's funny to read because if they didn't just outright state it was post malone people would 100% think it's scruggs

and I'd really like to see the reaction to people thinking that and it being malone

[real cedar]

"No no you don't understand fans, this 21st century rapper totally fits with our game's aesthetic, here's two small paragraphs about it! Look we even gave him an old timey top hat!"
Crytek better be getting a fat paycheck for this shit

Best case scenario, they'll just add a poster for Malone's Travelling Circus to Lawson Delta.
Worst case scenario, a whole event with skins

[granite shard]

the lawson teaser had a balloon in the background

so hopefully it's just small environmental things but

[green pollen]

I think adding a great great relative of post Malone would be cool, but if I see just his direct name in game some random hunter is gonna get a hook to the jaw

[real cedar]

The only good way to do it would be to make a whole new hunter that's kinda based off themes and has a song title reference or something. Like nobody bats an eye at Last Resort.

[granite shard]

ideal would be like the collab he did w apex

where he seemingly had influence in skin designs but nobody turned into post malone

[real cedar]

That'd be decent, ye

[orchid tangle]

the only good way to do it imo is to not. I don't want relatives, I don't want anything, because at the end of the day it's supposed to be about post malone

[granite shard]

I'm afraid that it's not gonna be the case based on the drawing in the dime story & the direct name drop thing

[earnest jungle]

I’m going to become the joker

[granite shard]

agreed

[spiral mica]

The Gunslinger, May Belle, is loosely based off Calamity Jane I think.

[noble scarab]

We live in a society

[earnest jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-ha-gif-717265033515734384

[deft storm]

I see Scott Lussier interviewing him right there

SCooooooooootttttt

[spiral mica]

Post Malone endorses the game so naturally they were gonna hop on that real quick

like I said all it's gonna take is for someone like Sony to slip Crytek a check for them to feature Venom and Spiderman in the game

[manic lichen]

That was I said when Ghost Face got announced

[spiral mica]

A lot of people have been saying that because it's honestly such a Sony thing to do

[deft storm]

Sure but do not put him in the game and do not interview him with marketing

it is pop culture trash

[real cedar]

Interviewing him for marketing sake is totally fine imo, they want to draw eyes towards their game

[lucid anvil]

I just saw the notification, please tell me we aren’t getting post Malone in hunt

Would genuinely kill the game for me ngl

[spiral mica]

it's a possibility

[lucid anvil]

NOOO

[granite shard]

I'm hoping he's not in the game

that dime store thing having a drawing of a hunt-ified post does not give me much hope tho

[spiral mica]

Call of duty has Nicki Minaj, Hunt Showdown will have Post Malone 😃

[granite shard]

post seems like a nice guy and it's cool that he genuinely likes the game but man I just do not want to see him in it :/

[deft storm]

still connecting it to that culture and idea, having Game Director interview him

[lucid anvil]

I’m not going to bash them too hard unless he comes out as a skin, but… if it does happen, well

[spiral mica]

and you're right it's much too early to actually tell but it's strange they put a lot of effort into it to begin with

[deft storm]

Post can endorse it on his own channel with is own video, Crytek doesn't need to make it look like they want to connect it, and even worse, putting him in any game material

[lucid anvil]

I’ve not seen anything yet. I wonder if people will defend this one, too? Assuming it can happen

[faint gull]

Crytek drops Ghost Face and tries their hardest to say we aren't going to do what COD does. Then immediately makes a Post Malone skin and tries to add lore to justify it. COD here we come!

[spiral mica]

interviewing him for game endorsement is one thing but writing a whole in-game article and featuring a drawing of him in a very hunt-esque fashion is another

[real cedar]

I'm watching the interview now.
"Can we talk about my perk?"
and then they show a little bit about a single shot rifle speedloading trait. Weird he'd say my perk.

[spiral mica]

oh boy

[deft storm]

the Papa Roach reference is well hidden....and absolutely a joke, as a cringey song from 24 years ago

[lucid anvil]

Too early to say. I want to stay optimistic.

[deft storm]

if you can hide a joke that well, it gets a pass, imho

[spiral mica]

Well people say Shade is Clint Eastwood so if they could hide it under so many layers then maybe it could work

but I think when it comes to Post Malone in hunt someone earlier said it best the best way to do it is to not do it at all

[zenith perch]

Reddit is being calmer about the Post stuff than a lot of people in general surprisingly

[deft storm]

whyyy is it Clint Eastwood? Many people are also 15 yos with rotted brains

[deft storm]

interesting

[granite shard]

I think as just an interview it's relatively innocuous

[real cedar]

The poncho and hat of drifter is VERY reminiscent of the Dollars trilogy

[spiral mica]

He's an actor and wears a poncho

[deft storm]

that's it?

[spiral mica]

there's a whole film trilogy called a few more dollars that's literally about that

[deft storm]

about a Hat and a Navajo blanket poncho?

[real cedar]

plus being a wild west actor

[spiral mica]

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-bad-and-ugly-gif-13043925

[real cedar]

and the drifter and high noon names also connect with the films

[deft storm]

loose reference, like Meridian Turncoat? Are those same people ignoring the glasses, scarf, and face that doesn't look like Eastwood?

[real cedar]

Yeah, it's definitey a loose reference rather than literally intended to be clint eastwood or anything

Which is good

[spiral mica]

I prefer loose references

hopefully they decide to loose reference this Post Malone stuff if they do decide to add him in that is

[deft storm]

yeah but not the same as the Last Resort reference

[amber harbor]

Is that a Krag? Or they adding another long ammo rifle

[granite shard]

references and homages are just entirely different beasts from licensed collabs

[real cedar]

Looks like a krag with the magazine on the wrong side

[granite shard]

probably a krag? I think post talked abt liking the krag in the q&a

[spiral mica]

a man after my own heart

Post is a great guy but I just really don't want him in the game like Nicki Minaj in cod

[deft storm]

difference here being the meta - thing?? Shade is a stage actor INSIDE Hunt Showdown, The Drifter isn't an actor in Good Bad &Ugly, Eastwood is an actor in our real world? You all get this, right?

[spiral mica]

well it's not like Shade could be a film actor because there's no film in the year 1896

so they went with the next best thing and made him a stage actor

[deft storm]

i guess you're not getting it

[spiral mica]

I guess I'm not

Shade is just a loose reference to Clint not a licensed collab

[faint gull]

Just give it time to simmer. Reddit will be in full force soon enough.

[spiral mica]

just a simple little homage

[real cedar]

It may be a reference to wild west films in general and the poncho is what pushes it to seem like it HAS to be a Dollars Trilogy reference.

[chilly stream]

The bastardization and dismantling of hunt's lore continues,,,,,,,we truly live in a society

[spiral mica]

the lore just ain't there anymore

there's no road map for lore confirmed

[chilly stream]

no it really aint

[icy brook]

I thought Hunt would hold out against the Fortniteification/Marvelization of media because the devs created something unique in a unique timeframe, but I think this is it for me

[chilly stream]

its extremely frustrating, a major reason i got so into hunt was because it had an actually engaging lore premise and aesthetic

[spiral mica]

It's strictly gameplay and cosmetic over story and lore now

[chilly stream]

thats my thoughts as well

[spiral mica]

evidently you thought wrong

[chilly stream]

creates unique IP
proceeds to completely destroy it in the ever-present march to make dollar graph keep going up

[granite shard]

[spiral mica]

I always suspected Crytek might open it's doors to this kind of stuff but I never would have guessed it would actually happen

[sullen iron]

FiField man, I have nothing against him personally but if he goes through with a celebrity skin then I think he should go.

[lucid anvil]

1000 present.

[granite shard]

tbh as soon as the ghost face collab was announced I knew we were getting something post malone

[lucid anvil]

Well, at that point there’s no going back lol

[granite shard]

I didn't know when, but based on him interacting w hunt streams earlier this year I knew it was an inevitability

[chilly stream]

The ghost face skin itself is fine, but it set a precedent that im sure will be made worse with time

[spiral mica]

Mortal kombat got their first ghost face too funnily enough

[faint gull]

If all of us OG Hunters that have been hunting since Early Access, or since the full release, stopped playing. Maybe the player deficit would make them realize their starting to negatively impact their beloved franchise.

[chilly stream]

Still insane to me that they basically retconned all the old lore by getting rid of the dedicated pages for it in-game

[orchid tangle]

also I don't like this either, I get it's just a single shot but I'm tired of all the faster pacing loading we're getting

[faint nimbus]

If I had a nickel for every time a video game I liked collabed with post Malone I’d have two nickels

[lucid anvil]

For me, if we ever get a celebrity skin, that’s the game done for me

[chilly stream]

Compared to previous events, they're already getting a player deficit. If anything the collaboration push all of a sudden may be a result of it

[lucid anvil]

I just wish Hunger would come to console and be good so I can have an alternative

[spiral mica]

yeah they removed all the books but you can still read them here in the pinned comments

[lucid anvil]

They have a monopoly for shooters like this on console

[chilly stream]

At least theyre archived somewhere 🙏

[spiral mica]

you can thank Rai for that

[chilly stream]

I hope so badly for hunger to be good but we have like no actual gameplay yet

[granite shard]

imagine if we got an official archive 🙃

[spiral mica]

HA!

in our dreams

gotta make room for more UI tabs anyways

[real cedar]

Fifield was like "yeah they're already archived go check them out at hunt-stats." They love that they don't have to do any work for it

[granite shard]

that's such a frustrating answer

[lucid anvil]

I just wish I had an alternative to Hunt.

[faint gull]

I really hope Hunger turns out to be great! I can't wait for it to go into EA next year. At least that's their plan, currently.

[spiral mica]

check out a game called Beautiful Light

[lucid anvil]

Small issue. I’m on console.

[spiral mica]

aw yeah that's a bummer

[lucid anvil]

As I said, i literally don’t have any alternative

[chilly stream]

Ironically I used to buy all the DLC because I liked the game and its lore so much and wanted to support the devs even if I wasnt always a huge fan of the skins, but I havent in forever and certainly wont start again any time soon. Im not sure if this is a common experience, but I assume Im not alone

[faint gull]

I have that wish listed along with Hunger.

[lucid anvil]

They have pretty much a monopoly. I can’t even find a different extraction shooter, never mind something like Hunt

[chilly stream]

The only other extraction shooters are really all "tacticool" stuff like Tarkov. A historical fiction extraction shooter is unheard of outside of hunt, but imo its way more engaging especially with the southern gothic backdrop

Or was anyway, lol

[icy brook]

Same here, I still think my Bridgewater purchase was a good one

[deft storm]

Absolutely wrong, you can rip all that crap out of there

[lucid anvil]

Sure. But they won’t. And I’m not certain how laws work

[deft storm]

you are correct brother

[spiral mica]

what's cool about Beautiful Light is that it's everything hunt is, a PvPvE immersive horror extraction shooter where your task is to enter, secure and extract with a token, or in this case an artifact. The only difference is this is more modernized with that kind of "tacticool" element you'd seen in Tarkov but the biggest selling point for me in this game is it has asymmetric multiplayer elements, meaning you can actually play as the monsters and prevent other players from extracting with their artifacts.

[orchid tangle]

it's not even about cans or can'ts, they just wont/wouldn't

[lucid anvil]

I would LOVE another game where I can play as the monster

[spiral mica]

I've always wanted a asymmetric multiplayer mechanic or gamemode in hunt like transforming into Rotjaw and killing players trying to kill me for their bounty token and if I won I could keep the bounty token

Left 4 Dead 2 had a gamemode called Versus and that's what it reminds me of

the only major issue is I doubt Crytek would be able to code a gamemode like that

[deft storm]

the lore is archived?

[chilly stream]

Pinned comments here

[orchid tangle]

yeah with no thanks to crytek

[deft storm]

no, I mean whatever Rai is talking about - "Hunt-Stats"...

[chilly stream]

Also their new thing of locking lore behind event progression (assuming they do that anymore, since they didn't this time) is so scummy lol

[real cedar]

DeadeyeBro recreated the UI of the Manual, the Book of Monsters, and Book of Weapons, it's in the pinned comments

[chilly stream]

Port Sulphur Band is all i have left in this world 🙏

[orchid tangle]

don't worry they'll collab with malone when his skin comes out

[tulip kindle]

Post Sulphur Balone

[chilly stream]

😭

[faint nimbus]

I don’t even want to think about how Reddit is handling this

[granite shard]

surprisingly well for now

[faint nimbus]

But the cool thing is at least post Malone know hunt he’s played it which is cool they didn’t just get a celebrity probably like apex he came to them cause he loved the game

[granite shard]

idk, if it goes the direction I'm predicting (w him having a hunter skin and potentially an event... "my trait" could very well be a pact trait) then things will probs go south

[orchid tangle]

I'm hoping he just means it as he came up with the ida

idea

[faint nimbus]

cause I keep seeing people say they would have a double standard if it were Clint east wood like yes hunt will add the 80 year old racist actor who DOSENT know what a video game is

[real cedar]

There's some kind of collab coming, that's already confirmed. Things will get worse on reddit once the info really solidifies.

[granite shard]

my preferred musician collab would have been orville peck

like he has a distinct style that would still work well in the game

[sullen iron]

I’ve put my thoughts on to the ideas tab

[granite shard]

I know it would work well bc the hornback seems to be inspired by him

[sullen iron]

Hopefully someone at least considers it

[vivid crystal]

Lore has returned?

[granite shard]

not really

[real cedar]

Not at all

[granite shard]

it's about as much returned as the ghostface collab had lore attached

[earnest jungle]

Post malone is getting a skin and a quest

[granite shard]

we do not know if he's getting a skin and quests are not in the game anymore

[coarse glade]

As he should!

[granite shard]

we know there is some form of a collab coming but we don't know the extent

[sullen iron]

I disagree fundamentally

[coarse glade]

Posty is great

[real cedar]

Give him a Night of the Hunter skin at most

[sullen iron]

Yeah but he shouldn’t be in

Whatsoever

[tulip kindle]

Post Malone?
More like Post more lore lmao

[sullen iron]

Guns skins? That’s cool

Hunter skin? No

[orchid tangle]

being great doesn't mean it should exist here

I listen to melanie martinez everyday but if I saw that 4 eyed thing in hunt I'm uninstalling

[chilly stream]

The problem isn't whether or not he's a good person, it's an issue of them taking yet another step up the ladder to completely erasing the identity that hunt used to have in favor of clout and monetization

[faint nimbus]

there’s probably some gameplay changes coming since they already teased the new trait. If I may speculate when post had his collab with apex they didn’t just add skins of his face he designed or at least helped design a game mode cause he actually plays the game so maybe there will be something besides just a Malone hunter

[chilly stream]

real and same

[orchid tangle]

I dont think it'll be an event since crytek said the next few updates are gonna be just QOL

but it'd be so fucking funny if they just blatantly lied

again

[chilly stream]

I dont think they can squeeze ANOTHER event between this last one and the christmas one i assume theyll do

[amber harbor]

They still need an event since they're basically seasons now

[zenith perch]

It seems like people are calming down in general now at a glance

[real cedar]

They've likely still got the Christmas event loaded and ready to go so stuff like the new trait might just be a part of it. It's the stuff after Christmas that'll be different since they switched priorities in August.

[zenith perch]

People are talking a out his loadouts and saying he's based

[chilly stream]

In my humble opinion the long ammo+uppercut loadout is not among what I'd consider based but that is just me

[zenith perch]

[lucid anvil]

So… do we have confirmation on a post collab? Like, 100% there’s a collab?

I mean… they must know people won’t like this, right? Or do people like it?

[real cedar]

There's a collab, but we don't know what it is. See here

[lucid anvil]

Ah… so not certain, but heavily implying.

[acoustic whale]

mixing hunt lore with post malone, wtf happened to this game

[noble scarab]

Would we like the idea behind the collab if it wasn’t a collab?

[real cedar]

A travelling circus thing? Eh not really

That sort of stuff would be a small mastery story way back when, kinda like William Carter's stories

[high stone]

I’m not a fan of that cliche. Hunt is really serious, that type of dark carnival whimsy doesn’t belong in the game

[icy brook]

I can get more behind a carnival event, turn of the century carnivals were truly horrifying

[high stone]

were they “truly horrifying”, or did they just have some freaks

[worthy nova]

No dark carnival

No marilyn manson or ICP skins either

[high stone]

Were people paralyzed with fear at the carnival

[granite shard]

The human rights abuses were horrifying

lol

[real cedar]

Some of that stuff already got covered with Scaramuccia as well

[icy brook]

The “freaks” a lot of the time were disabled people or otherwise outcasts that were terribly treated

[high stone]

I know, it must have made people pretty uncomfortable

Not exactly the same as decaying people attacking you with meat cleavers in a dark swamp though

[worthy nova]

I don’t know if the core horrors of hunt are about human rights abuses at the carnival. That’s a different kind of sad

[noble scarab]

A former circus freak gone a Hunting perhaps?

[real cedar]

Human rights abuses are kinda part of the core of it, you see it plenty in the old lore like Hardin's orphan trains, Huff's patients, Pelican Island Prison, but those fit the themes of scientific progress and desperately fighting corruption.

[granite shard]

I don’t think a carnival is out of the range of hunt but I don’t like the idea of it as a major narrative focus

Imo it’d be a solid DLC

[real cedar]

We might just be in the summer of 1896 now where we go on sidequests for a long while

[icy brook]

After the circus tent blew into the Delphine I thought we might be getting a circus themed X in the future

[granite shard]

I guess they said if we’re getting a celebrity hunter might as well let the clowns come out to play in full force

I know it’s not guaranteed we’re getting post Malone but atp I’d be shocked if we didn’t

[icy brook]

Ah yes the Jonkler skin

Very nice

[high stone]

Nah, Circus is too cheesy

[deft storm]

Lmao the discussions in here are always like -

Crytek: “We’re making a new Hunter! He owns a Chocolate Factory… ”

Player A: “please PLEASE do NOT put Wonka in the game.”

Crytek: “We’re putting Villy Vonka in de game 😈 ”

Player B: “Actually Wonka fits the Lore of Hunt Showdown. He does have a hat, and kills children.”

[worthy nova]

The human cost for the sake of scientific progress and plague stuff feels like it fits. Something about the dark circus or carnival immediately undermines how serious it is, for me.

[real cedar]

For sure

[deft storm]

Player C: "llol, lmao even, we already have Zombies, cowbois, samurai, hookers, a mummy, black magic, austin powers, oogie boogie, vikings, Scream costume, and Post Malone, who cares if Willy Wonka is in the game?? I just hope it's the Chalamet Wonka 💦 "

[real cedar]

It's hard to decouple it from modern renditions of the idea like Rob zombie's stuff

[icy brook]

Stages of grief

[worthy nova]

They can always cancel shit. They don’t NEED to put out a Post Malone hunter

[rare dirge]

yeah but if they at the point of announcing it they probably payed too much to back out now

[eternal grove]

Are we going to get back the lore book?

[granite shard]

No

[eternal grove]

Really? Is it officially confirmed?

[granite shard]

Fifield said on stream that lore is not on the roadmap and to look at a fan archive

[eternal grove]

I see. Appreciate it.

[green pollen]

wtf man i just got here like a year ago this is my fav game

[granite shard]

Yeah

[real cedar]

Same, I picked a bad year to get extremely invested in the lore

[eternal grove]

The lore added a lot of depth to the game. I don't understand why did they remove it. Maybe they are planning to create a new narrative and they do not consider the old lore canonical anymore.

[orchid tangle]

the new narrative is ghostface and I already forget the singers name

[granite shard]

I think the higher ups just don’t see the value of lore currently

[orchid tangle]

I can understand why I just wish they wouldn't lie about it

when they launched ghostface and then said they're only doing crossovers that'd enrich the narrative it kinda pissed me off

[eternal grove]

Sure, maybe only a low percentage of the playerbase cared about it, but what would they lose if they keep it in the game? Potentially, it could make some players love their game. The ones who do not care can just ignore it, they would lose nothing.

[orchid tangle]

crytek doesn't tend to make smart decisions in recent times

[real cedar]

It'd take time and effort to port the whole library over to the new UI, I bet that's the reason they decided to scrap it. The other theory is there aren't as many writers as there used to be so keeping up with masteries wasn't in the cards.

[eternal grove]

I see. Definitely not a top priority now.

[granite shard]

Hopefully that decision gets reversed at some point seeing as the library has been a pretty hotly discussed issue over the past few months

It’s been coming up more and more as of late which is nice to see

The UI is less of an ever present complaint so people are able to focus on other things now lol

[native marlin]

i wish they would, but they really need a HUGE outcry to change things, look at dolch fmj, one of the most complained about things and theyre only semi fixing it now, i dont think the lore community is vocal enough to make any sort of change

which makes me really really sad

[green pollen]

What if we protest outside their office

[tired echo]

Is drilling rifle or shotgun?

[native marlin]

for missions? or like logically?

for missions it probably works as rifle, logic wise its both, it has 2 rifle shots and 1 shotgun

[eternal grove]

Yes.

It does not contribute for shotgun challenges.

[real cedar]

Some of it is the lag time involved in development. They released Dolch custom ammo December last year, got feedback on it and the increasingly excessive custom ammo additions, then 6-9 months later (plus change) they've got something specifically to address it.
So if they actually got feedback about lore, we probably won't know about it for over half a year.

[native marlin]

i know its not like "you complained last week and were fixing it now" but it was complained about IMMEDIATELY, maybe you can say they were working on the engine update, so there was bigger fish, but my point was more, something with that big of an outcry took that long, and lore has much smaller of an outcry, so we def cant expect it to be faster

[real cedar]

Yeah

[rugged harbor]

You’re joking.. no more stories? Period? Just the blobs from skins and trailers?

[lucid anvil]

No no, you don’t understand!! Post is going to “enrich the narrative and Weave seamlessly with hunts themes and narrative”!

[warm quartz]

You got your Post Malone dime story, didn't you?

[rugged harbor]

:(

[radiant sail]

😭

[warm quartz]

Ah, retelling of the classic "The Beauty and the Beast"

[spiral mica]

Monroe is dead. The Infernal pact smoked 'em back in Tide of Corruption 1895 and then the Infernal pact got smoked themselves by the Death pact.

[warm quartz]

Althought I must admit Redneck daughter is too much of a Beast for my dear Monroe

[warm quartz]

Nah, Demented pact is living breathing

Infernal pact is probably too

[real dove]

Let's keep it SFW please

[wraith bobcat]

my bad

[zenith perch]

Yall are scaring me

[spiral mica]

(I'm joking)

[zenith perch]

Demented is best pact

[bitter yarrow]

yall my shit got rocked 1984

[warm quartz]

Ackhtually, Lawful pact is the best

[zenith perch]

Nuh uh

[warm quartz]

DUH UH

[zenith perch]

NUH UH

Demented are just silly lil guys

We just silly lil guys

[warm quartz]

Lawful pact are cool 😎

[zenith perch]

Im just a lil guy, I ain't hurt nobody

Hardin on the other hand

[warm quartz]

Papa Hardin reduced prison and orphanage occupancy rate to literal 0%

[spiral mica]

Yeah nuh uh buddy

Primal pact is PRIME

[zenith perch]

Lies and Deception

[warm quartz]

He's candidate of the people

[zenith perch]

Cain is what everyone should aspire to be

@spiral mica epic embed fail, everyone laugh at this user

That's the meme right

Also, Lion King 2 was kinda mid except for My Lullaby

[spiral mica]

Damn there goes any semblance of a compelling argument I might've had 😔

[zenith perch]

[rugged harbor]

Grounded always felt like a true neutral pact

[spiral mica]

They're really not. They were sort of neutral during the Devil's moon event but the Tide of Shadows event marked the moment their group really started taking an active role in opposition to other pacts such as the Primal. According to their ideology they'd also oppose Infernal and Demented. They'd be pretty friendly with the Wilderness pact though because Wilderness is basically just Grounded pact but Colorado/West.

[granite shard]

I'd say that they're probably the most neutral group

[real dove]

I mean daughter of decay is friends with felus

[granite shard]

tide of desolation they end up picking sides but it still worked w their overall theme of generally protecting the bayou

[spiral mica]

Felis is friendly with many people but although grounded would probably be the most neutral out of the pacts I wouldn't say they're completely 100% neutral in the hunt.

[granite shard]

the point is they fit within the true neutral scope of alignments

[real dove]

Ja

[granite shard]

like it's not that they're 100% neutral in the hunt but that within lawful/neutral/chaotic good/neutral/evil setup, they fit that true neutral box the best

[real dove]

They were actively listening, or at least the seeming leader was, to the drowned in TOD

And worked with everyone to bring the talkrock bug down

But yeah, as Smalls said, they might not be neutral to all but they fit in the box the best

[spiral mica]

I only believe they're not 100% neutral only because they oppose Primal in Tide of Shadows and Demented in Tide of Desolation. If you had asked me if I thought Grounded was truly neutral back in Devil's moon I would've agreed.

[granite shard]

they didn't oppose primal they opposed rotjaw

all three pacts clashed not due to fundamental issues with each other but because they were all after the same target

[real dove]

Iirc, primal wanted RJ for power, smuggler wanted money, and grounded wanted the corruption gone

[spiral mica]

Yep Primal aimed to elevate Rotjaw and gain power that's what Gar meant when she says "she is generous with her gifts" and because Primal sought to do this it would've ultimately would've posed a threat to the Bayou and that's a big no no in the eyes of the grounded pact. Simply put that means they didn't see eye to eye and thus opposed each other because of their conflicting causes.

[granite shard]

primal wanted to kill rotjaw

the three groups all wanted to kill her in some way but they were all going for her first

like it's not that they were opposing each other, they were all just after the same goal

[spiral mica]

I'm honestly gonna miss the event stories not just because they gave emphasis on the lore in the game but because they introduced and teased cool mechanics in the game. In tide of shadows it was so cool how each pact's narrator gave insight on the pact specific traits like remedy, instinct and mariner.

[spiral mica]

Their goal to kill Rotjaw was the same, their reasoning behind wanting to kill Rotjaw was not hence the opposition between the three pacts.

[granite shard]

my point is I do not agree with the idea that they were opposing each other. they ended up in conflict at the end when the three pacts all were clashing to achieve the same goal, but it wasn't an opposition in the same way that the infernal pact opposed the demented or the lunar pacts

[warm quartz]

Then why didn't Gar kill her?

They all had different plans for her

[granite shard]

the official description of the primal pact was that they wanted to be the top of the food chain and be the ones to kill rotjaw to cement themselves there

[warm quartz]

Where did Ochenkov's Widow go?

[spiral mica]

Respectfully I disagree. You can spin it anyway but it still appears as opposition between the pacts based on their goals, ideologies, beliefs etc.

[granite shard]

true neutral also does not mean that you do not stand in opposition to anything ever

it means you're not chaotic or lawful, and you're not good or evil

like their goal is not a good or an evil one, it's just simply a preservation of the bayou

[spiral mica]

Not every pact is in opposition of each other but there is pacts that are and would be sworn enemies simply based on what their goals and beliefs are.

I don't believe that grounded is true neutral if they were true neutral they would've sat on the sidelines and allowed the smugglers and primals to fight out during tide of shadows and allow demented and drowned to fight it out during tide of desolation.

[real dove]

Okay, then what would you place them as?

[granite shard]

true neutral is not switzerland

true neutral is, again, not good or evil and not lawful or chaotic

[real dove]

Good, neutral, or evil?

Lawful, neutral, or chaotic?

[granite shard]

they have a goal, the preservation of the bayou, and in tide of shadows the way they see themselves achieving that is by killing rotjaw

[real dove]

We can't have a neutral in the sense you're thinking of, Valen. We can't have someone that sits on the sides and does nothing. They are neutral in the DND sense, not historical sense

If we had Switzerland Neutral the pact would be boring af

[spiral mica]

I really wouldn't place them anywhere I simply don't believe in the good, neutral, evil, lawful or chaotic dynamic because groups of people are made up of individual people and individual people have individual beliefs. No conflict is as simple as good or evil and everyone takes up arms and has conflict with each other for many different reasons. I wouldn't reallt view grounded's goal as being good or evil that much I'll agree on.

[real dove]

Okay, this is pointless of a convo then, since then none of the pacts are good nor evil under that view

[granite shard]

things might not be as simple as "this person is good or evil" but the alignment chart system is a fun thing to think about and a good way for people to get high level understandings of different characters and groups

[spiral mica]

Personally I just love how the pacts are set up. Earlier me and Cain enjoyer were (jokingly) arguing on which pact is better. Demented vs Primal and respectfully we have our different opinions on which pact we value more. That in turn is exactly why we as players are able to choose what pact we align with in-game. It's why we have menus at restaurants.

[granite shard]

yes things get murky and granular when you look more into it, but on a high level you can put the grounded pact into the neutral category while the demented pact can be put into the evil category

[real dove]

Ja

Looking at the WHOLE, there's (imo) pretty obvious categories for pacts

[spiral mica]

I'm just pointing out the overall subjective nature of what exactly you or I as an individual will view as good or evil. It's not always as black and white as it may seem. I wouldn't say anyone's debate point here is "pointless." I'm under the firm belief that everyone's opinion matters and has a right to be voiced.

[real dove]

I'm not looking at individual dude

I'm looking at the pact and their overall actions

And overall, they're neutral

[spiral mica]

And like I said I respectfully disagree with that opinion I do not view the grounded as being neutral at least not anymore since Devil's moon. I would've viewed them as being neutral back during Devil's moon but now that their intentions are more clear and we've been able to see more on the grounded pact I've developed a shift in my initial opinion.

[real dove]

The second you start picking the pacts into people, then yeah, shit may change. But that wasn't the point made by the OG poster

[granite shard]

but their goal is neither good nor evil. they would continue to stand against a "good" group if the goals of that group conflicted with their goal of protecting the bayou

they allied themselves with the other pacts in tide of desolation, but that is bc there was a larger overarching threat to the bayou with the land of the dead's incursions

[spiral mica]

I guess if I had to place grounded in a neutral vs good vs evil category I would personally say they're rather good because to me their cause for keeping corruption out of the Bayou and keeping the nature clean seems noble and just.

[granite shard]

but you see in devil's moon that they're also willing to stand against a "good" group in the lunar pact

because they were still ultimately a threat to the health of the bayou

[spiral mica]

See I just have a difficult time placing Lunar as good or Infernal as evil because as far as I'm concerned Chary wanting to be a God doesn't align with my beliefs and Lunar taking orders from some cosmic moon entity sparks a certain suspicion in me because how are we certain that this moon's intentions are entirely good? The serpent's moon memento claims that the moon is able to give birth to horrifying monstrosities much worse than serpents and that only the demented and twisted would invoke such a thing onto the world.

[granite shard]

whereas in tide of desolation, the drowned did not present an active threat to the health of the bayou and in fact presented an opportunity to help put things right

[real dove]

Chary killing people for power and trying to take over the moon and torturing a kid doesn't come across as evil?

And the moon fighting back against the sculptor to limit the infection/corruption doesn't come across as good?

I don't understand the part about chary wanting to be God not aligning with your beliefs either

[granite shard]

"maybe we should stop chary from torturing people and stealing the power of the moon" is one of the more generally good stances you can have in the bayou

[spiral mica]

It absolutely does to me yes but to someone else it may come off as necessary to achieve one's goal, who knows maybe a Chary is doing all this horrible stuff to build a better world? I doubt that very much I think Chary is selfish and power hungry but I try to look at things from every angle and understand every potential perspective. I don't like to be black and white about things.

[granite shard]

okay but alignment charts are a black or white discussion

there is room for nuance, but sometimes it is fun to have a high level "what could we generally categorize this goal as?" categorization about fictional characters/groups

[spiral mica]

Why do infernal follow Chary? Is it because they're also greedy and sly scumbags that kill and yearn for power just as Chary does? Or do they see something in him that other people do not, a leader with aspiring ambitions for the world?

[granite shard]

as alpaca has said, we are talking about the high level goals of these groups not the individual people within them

[real dove]

Chary never says he's doing anything for anyone but himself

[earnest jungle]

You can get lost in the weeds in the individual motivations of the different members of the pacts so it’s best to look at things wholistically

[spiral mica]

This all just feels like the whole Stormcloaks vs Empire debate that sprung up when Skyrim released back in 2011. Like I said I can understand where you're coming from but once again, and respectfully I disagree.

[earnest jungle]

Also DnD alignment is stupid and only exists so that players don’t have to think about the moral implications of the basic gameplay loop (find dungeon, kill its inhabitants, loot everything)

[granite shard]

it is okay to disagree, but when someone asks a question surrounding a specific style of categorization, they usually want to think within the bounds of it

[spiral mica]

I'd prefer not to restrict myself to purely focusing on the motivations and beliefs of these groups as a whole but also take into consideration the individual importance of these beliefs and motivations as well.

[earnest jungle]

That’s fair but you run the risk of missing the forest fir the trees

Especially in pacts like the Infernal, Lawful, and Lunar pacts which had very clear leaders and command structures

[spiral mica]

And I did answer the initial question about grounded being neutral, good or evil and I said personally I'd view them as being good but not neutral, at one point I'd definitely see them as being neutral but my opinion has changed over time. It's good that we are able to discuss these things though because I feel that it's a very important topic and theme.

We all love this game and it's great to be part of a community of people that are as passionate as I am when discussing the inner workings of such a compelling universe and it's many stories.

Anyways I've got stuff to do and I'll see you guys later 👋

[earnest jungle]

Also when it comes to individual morality lets not kid ourselves everybody’s a bad guy in Hunt Showdown. There are few if any clear cut good guys and a whole lot of shades of grey and black.

[spiral mica]

I also want to clarify that I didn't intend to attack anyone when sharing my opinion I hope I didn't offend anyone.

[earnest jungle]

The hunters who aren’t deranged serial killers are perfectly willing to work with those that are if it furthers their aims

[granite shard]

honestly one of my favorite things is the way hunt explores how characters can be heroic despite being morally reprehensible people

like sofia has been generally the most productive character in terms of Actually Getting Shit Done for the good of the cause and also is a literal serial killer

[earnest jungle]

To paraphrase The Sea Beast “You can be a hero and still be a bad person”

[spiral mica]

Just like you can be a villain and still be a good person

https://tenor.com/view/gru-moon-gif-10973131198585528214

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[real dove]

They're turned off

[spiral mica]

Yeah I also can't react to messages so I figured they disabled some permissions because of feedback from recent announcements to slow down the chats

[real dove]

Yep

[manic lichen]

As whom?

[earnest jungle]

I mean strictly speaking a villain can’t be a good person because a villain is an antagonist who is a bad person

[spiral mica]

Well the gif I tried to send was Gru from Despicable Me

He's a villain but also a pretty good person as we see in the movies

Or how about Megamind, he's definitely a super villain but still a pretty good guy

I'm sorry I'm using children's movies to make a statement 😂

[manic lichen]

Eventually, but also, while one can atone and change path, it still doesn't remove evil acts.

[granite shard]

both of those characters are the protagonists and heroes of their respective movies

[earnest jungle]

Eh not to get into semantics but because both of them are protagonists they can’t technically be villains

Because definitionally a villain has to be the antagonist

[manic lichen]

☝️

[spiral mica]

In their respective films though they are stated to be villains but people can certainly change and one could argue that by the end of those films they get redeemed and are heroes.

[earnest jungle]

Eh this conversation is getting to bogged down in semantics and hair splitting. Let’s all just agree to disagree and move on to something else

[manic lichen]

Yes, but that makes them an anti-hero at best

[spiral mica]

Sorry to bog it down for you lol

[earnest jungle]

Frankly I think sitting here and discussing the ethics of half-demon bounty hunters who kill people for a living is silly they’re all bad guys.

[spiral mica]

Yeah maybe but it's still fun to discuss anyways

I love seeing people take simple concepts like a space wizards fighting with swords made of concentrated plasma or a super soldier wearing green underwear fighting aliens with a blue AI lady in his head and talking about them in great detail.

It's all part of the beauty of being a deciated fan and expressing passion for a particular piece of media.

[zenith perch]

what other weapon skins do you guys fit skull taker?

[granite shard]

The bone skins from the BP honestly

[spiral mica]

Really anything with bones on it would match him perfectly

The stuff Cain has would work and the last event's battlepass stuff too

[zenith perch]

was thinking Thunderstroke for the rival

[spiral mica]

Shrewed savior too and whatever the Alamo one is named

[zenith perch]

Covert Messenger

[cloud socket]

every time i see #lore-discussion i'm reminded any lore content was removed from the game 😔

[zenith perch]

Bout to change me name to Skull Taker enjoyer

[cloud socket]

pappy redneck sweep

easiest 500 bbs spent ever

[spiral mica]

Hopefully they revert that decision

[cloud socket]

No book of weapons, no book of monsters, no hunter bios, and old event stories just get tossed out of the game

[granite shard]

🥲🥲🥲

[cloud socket]

kinda sad considering how rich the art direction of the game is

[rugged harbor]

yeah it really is, complete head ass decision.

[cloud socket]

I swear it was an oversight

because regardless of user interaction I really see that as something they had put a lot of time in to anyway

like every weapon and mob having multiple entries of lore

hunter bios giving more context

that takes time to come up with

so to throw that away just seems really strange

I get they said they wanted to do away with the books themselves, but I assumed they'd collect the story in a new dedicated place

[rugged harbor]

I just want the library back

[zenith perch]

Skull Taker seems like a Flechette kinda guy

[rugged harbor]

its one more tab in there you can see the the 3 books like before plus another for the past event stories

[real cedar]

They wanted to do a lot more with the library way back when, around the 1.0 release they mentioned future plans on the roadmap for them. Book of Tales, Book of Songs, Book of Traits, Book of Trophies, Book of Cards (before the tarot card idea was dropped). It's a shame it didn't happen.

[spiral mica]

The art direction for this game is unlike anything else I've ever seen and they've decided to put it on the back shelf for right now

Kind of crazy if you think about it

Nothing good lasts forever though I suppose but maybe eventually they'll decide to do lore in the game again

[cloud socket]

Which is wild considering how much of that same labor of love Mammon’s Gulch exudes

[spiral mica]

Mammon's gulch felt like an end and Harvest of ghosts felt like a new beginning

I said it earlier but I'm really gonna miss event stories and stuff like emphasis on the pacts and traits and individual hunter narrators

[green pollen]

I hope later on in events that edit the map, we players (or hunters) are ingrained and what happens in whatever story affects us

[real cedar]

That'd be interesting, normally they build the story off of whatever changes they make to the game, like the demented building ship altars or snakes coming out of Kevin

[spiral mica]

I remember a friend of mine talking about how cool it would've been to see the Delphine floating through the clouds during the tide of shadows event or at least hearing a distant steamboat horn as part of the ambience just like how you can hear Rotjaw roar when the rain condition cycles

also on the topic of the Delphine is it confirmed that the ruined ship just outside the play zone in between Blanchett and Cyprus is the Delphine itself?

I'm guessing it's not because iirc it fell out of the sky in tide of shadows and it's spirit was burned up in tide of desolation

[green pollen]

That would’ve been so cool

[real cedar]

From my own investigation, it doesn't appear to be the same ship. They added in a poster depicting the Delphine at the same time as adding the ship in the distance, so if they were meant to be the same, surely they would've matched designs.
The argument that it is the same ship would be that it fell out of the sky, and when it landed the Demented began stripping it to make the altars. It certainly looks like it's been stripped down to its skeleton. The Delphine's Ghost is its spirit, but not its corpse.

[spiral mica]

I can understand both perspectives but from what I know I lean more towards it not being the Delphine but I didn't know if I was missing any crucial information regarding it

[real cedar]

Yeah, I'm in the same spot

[spiral mica]

I would've loved a compound that takes you through one of those big three-story steamboats that people stay in. They're basically floating resorts.

some people I've played hunt with have also suggested ideas like reworking one of the unpopular compounds like Scupper or Cyprus into a compound like that or converting that dead zone south of Blanchett and north of pitching into such a compound.

[icy brook]

That would be really really cool

[spiral mica]

a really cool idea indeed but one I doubt will actually happen

I think a snow condition or snow related map is in the inevitable future

I always felt like eventually we'd get something snow related but I especially think that now after the Post Malone Q&A

I am also looking forward to the quick load trait for the springfield and possibly also the martini and sparks

[humble night]

Snow in the Bayou is more of an omen than the voodoo that slithered into it

[spiral mica]

It'll probably be Mammon's gulch or someplace completely different

[real cedar]

It seems like the team is seriously thinking about it. People had been clamoring for it for years, and way back before Thundershowers they talked about how rain and snow were currently impossible because they'd have to rework the whole soundstage. When the 1896 update dropped Scott Lussier talked about his personal hope for the next map being somewhere colder, and now they're further pushing the snow idea with this interview.

[spiral mica]

All the puzzle pieces fit into place that the next big thing could be a snow condition for Mammon's gulch at least that's my running theory atm

If it is in the cards it'll be one of the recent things I'm actually looking forward to

[green pollen]

Personally I love scupper lake cause it looks really cool, but some of the entries into the barn are a bit awkward. It all kinda feels like it works against everyone, too many open spots for defenders that can’t be closed off but also too many blocked entry ways and open land for attackers to get a good angle

[green pollen]

If we do get some kind of cold winter map, blood better stain snow

[frank fjord]

That be FIRE

[lucid anvil]

I have to say, I enjoyed that film.

[lucid anvil]

Backbone would work. The veterli bayonet one.

[lucid anvil]

Wait, you can hear rotjaw in the rain!? Damn, I never knew lol

[ember halo]

Guys, what lore will the Posty collab bring to the game?

Do we think he's an agent of the sculptor?

[real cedar]

It'll be something simple and vague for sure. They may even just copy the image word for word

[ember halo]

So if you reference his album " F-1 trillion" he has a song on it "I had some help"

I think this refers to what he has done in game.

I think this may mean he was actually the brains behind what mr chary was doing

[granite shard]

Dear god I hope not

I want this to be as limited in scope as possible

[zenith perch]

Post was the mastermind behind everything

It was Post that destroyed the lore

So he can implant his own lore