lore-discussion

[native marlin]

even if they are its "becuase i said so and thats final"

[raw gust]

I wonder how soon the next collab will be

[granite shard]

Tbh most of the devs prob didn’t have a say in this too

This sort of thing prob came from the top

[real cedar]

If past characters are anything to go by, Ghost Face was conceptualized a year ago, so if they planned to do more, they're probably in the pipeline already.

[raw gust]

The way this was worded there certainly are some coming

[granite shard]

No doubt in my mind we’re getting more

[native marlin]

probably yea, its "this will make tons of money its happening"

[raw gust]

I wasn't expecting them to keep it to one to begin with

[native marlin]

idk how the heirarchy works, but dennis should be pretty high up, and he cares about the game, so id hope he has some sway

[manic lichen]

Ah yes, this is "actually UpperMat is really clever name" level of smugness lmao.

[granite shard]

AT LEAST THE UPPERMAT WAS CHARMING

Also I will die on the hill that I think it at least clearly communicated the deal w the gun

[native marlin]

tbf, their naming convention of uppermat was correct

[granite shard]

I don’t know punches so I didn’t know what a haymaker was

[native marlin]

and since it was in the tree, it helped newer players undertsand it

[granite shard]

But the upper prefix was like “oh okay it’s a lammo version of a non lammo pistol”

[native marlin]

exactly, i didnt hate uppermat, it made sense

[raw gust]

It was strange that it was a 2 slot and the uppercut wasn't though

[native marlin]

thats more just uppercut being busted as a 1 slot, at least it isnt anymore

prob just bc they didnt want people fanning it or something, maybe just to make it a bit unique

[manic lichen]

Except it wasn't, bc the full name of the Uppercut was "Caldwell Conversion Uppercut".
So it would be "LeMat mk2 Uppercut".

Or "LeMat Uppercut"

[native marlin]

yes, but the point was the uppercut was synonymous with the long ammo counterpart, but also too synonymous with the uppercut itself, so they just took the upper part

[clear glacier]

im not a huge fan of them shortening all the names of the guns and never will be

i liked the long names and the lore each gun had

[granite shard]

Mood

[native marlin]

its like technically, if there was another full auto, itd be an avtomat, but the avtomat is too synonymous with itself, its a problem of the variant name becoming its name

[clear glacier]

like ok i guess you can call the auto5 the auto5 and ill probably continue doing so but having the full extended names give em character

[native marlin]

god forbid obv

[clear glacier]

another full auto would be terrifying i main the avto and its power is absolutely oppressive in the right hands (and the right situations, which are rare)

im actually quite peeved by how the officer is now just "officer"

and the normal single action nagant kept its full length name

like what was UP with that bro

[granite shard]

God sorry I’m still thinking about this, “weave new threads into the ever-evolving mythos of hunt” BUT THEY KILLED THE NARRATIVE

How can the mythos be ever evolving if they’ve nuked 99% of it

[real cedar]

It's ever-evolving... into the ground

[granite shard]

[clear glacier]

"damn this thread kinda weird" thread they just sewn in like a purple thread being woven into a golden and black weave

but again i wont look too much into it because ive seen both sides of the argument and i dont think we have a say in it

complaints just arent reaching the right place

[native marlin]

i get why, but gotta remember how confusing having two guns almost exactly the same, but playing WILDLY different is to new players

[clear glacier]

nor will they listen when it comes to colalbs :P

[native marlin]

and its strong yes, but most importantly, its unfun, id rather fight almost any other gun, even a crown with slugs

[clear glacier]

they could just put "officer" on the front and have the m1895 nagant portion ont eh back :P

[clear glacier]

lmao it's actually very fun to fight for me

[native marlin]

that doesnt really fix the issue, sadly, weather front or back

[spiral mica]

I mentioned it earlier that in their needless attempt to try and fit it into the lore they have simultaneously connected the Hunt's IP with the Scream IP because this Ghostface in Hunt is evidently supposed to be the first Ghostface before the one in the 1996 film.

[clear glacier]

i think that fixes the issue perfectly personally

[native marlin]

fair, but that is not the wildly held belief of the community

[spiral mica]

It is literally just Scream 1896

There is no sugar coating it that's what it is and Scream is now Canon in hunt lore according to them.

[clear glacier]

there's a reason it's the most complained-about gun on the subreddit

not that i mind
haters will hate :P

just like how i cant justify putting myself on either side of the debate about

"hunt destroying its narrative"

[clear glacier]

but i will admit i dont think this is a step in the right direction either

[native marlin]

for sure, except most people complain bc its "op" and not unfun, but most people dont know anything about strength in this game

[clear glacier]

lol the avtos been nerfed so many times i wouldnt call it op; old hunt had avtos with 20/10 and it fired in 2shot bursts so

unfun? maybe
fun for me if im using it and fun for me if i kill the guy using it because 75% of avto users hold lmb and expect to win (free avto for me he cant hit anything)

either way i think the thing im most peeved about?

is the whole monstrum and weapon book lore removal

i have no idea if its gonna be added back

they havent said anything on it that i remember of

and that's a damn shame because i loved reading those entries it added so much to the world of hunt

[manic lichen]

Also:

The aim for us is to enrich the narrative and weave new threads into the ever-evolving mythos of Hunt in a whole new way.
Why did you remove the lore book then Crytek? WHY ARE YOU SAYING BS AGAIN CRYTEK!?

[clear glacier]

is it confirmed that they COMPLETELY removed it?

and wont readd it?

[manic lichen]

Since they announced the removal of it there have been zero follow up on the topic from them

[spiral mica]

According to the post that Rai sent it's only going to get worse from here on out. Be prepared to recieve more of these kinds of crossovers in the future.

[granite shard]

Sometimes radio silence is good bc they’re cooking, but this silence has the feeling of the kitchen being demolished

[spiral mica]

No doubt we'll probably get stuff like the great great grandfather of notable Call of duty characters from call of duty zombies and modern warfare. Sony could decide to slip a big check Crytek's way so they can feature something like Spiderman or Venom in the game.

[clear glacier]

this is like the "uneasy silence" sorta shit and not peaceful silence

like calm b4 the storm

[spiral mica]

We'll definitely probably get more serial killers like Micheal Myers, Freddy Kruger and possibly even Jason Voorhees, hockey mask and all.

[granite shard]

I was really hoping we’d continue getting BP lore since it’s a good way to pad out the BP but they seem to be fine just cutting out the levels while upping the grind to make it seem like you’re getting fewer “junk” stuff

[spiral mica]

I can see it now a bloodied machete skin and everything

[raw gust]

I'm thinking I might take a 6 month break from the game and see whether Hunt's unfucked itself by then

The question is whether I bother to do more of this event first

[clear glacier]

i know a lot of people in #hunt-general have been saying stuff that basically translates to "lol cope" and "dont buy the skin if you dont like it" and i honestly cant shake the feeling that most of those people probably dont give a shit about the lore and just want to play

in my personal opinion a game's story and worldbuilding is what contributes to making a really good game and crytek's hunt had it all

[spiral mica]

Hockey was invented in 1875 so a hockey mask hunter is possible lmao

[clear glacier]

the most disappointing part about this battlepass is that there is no lore about it.
nothing. absolutely nothing other than hunter descs and item descs

[raw gust]

The last 3 battlepasses have been pretty piss poor value propositions

[real cedar]

Hockey masks are more of an early 20th century thing though, early hockey was barefaced or at most a wire helmet similar to umpire's bane

[clear glacier]

im not gonna shit my pants and cry or rant about it but it just feels disappointing

i understand its a shorter battlepass but it just feels off

[clear glacier]

value as in items you get for use ingame or actual lore?

[raw gust]

Both tbh. They're mostly reskins now and they remove the lore after the event anyway

[clear glacier]

see what's funny to me
is that i think a hockey mask hunter would unironically fit in better than ghostface

not saying that both will fit in very well but you get my point

[clear glacier]

tbf you cant expect crytek to pump out new weapons all the time

but at the same time id rather if crytek made more additions to the vanilla game (LORE INCLUDED) than spamming events and battlepasses because i understand adding new weapons and mechanics to the game immediately is like putting diesel in a gas-only engine without testing prior

[spiral mica]

Picture Jason Voorhees with an Umpire mask instead of a typical hockey mask

[raw gust]

I don't, tbh I thinkpart of the issue is that the events come out so rapidly now they don't take their time on anything

[spiral mica]

Friday the 1896 introducing Jackson Voorhees 😂

[raw gust]

The weapons are completely pointless and shouldn't be part of the pass anyway imo

You get them whether you bother with the pass or not

[clear glacier]

this is what im also trying to say lmao

[spiral mica]

Halloween 1896 introducing Mason Myers

[clear glacier]

fart fryers

[spiral mica]

Nightmare on lower DeSalle street introducing Fredrick Kruger

[manic lichen]

Oh yeah for sure, some people just wanna play, that is fair and valid.
What gets me is them lacking the empathy to understand that some might actually care.
Also never underestimate people wanting to be edgy and "cool" to point out "it is just a game!".
Displaying they have no understanding of value and media and just primed to consume.

[raw gust]

I do wonder whether any boosts in playerbase they get from the crossovers will stay long term

It can be a pretty frustrating game

[granite shard]

Also like! Lore has invisible value!

[clear glacier]

yeah the last portions you've said i aboslutely agree with and is why ive just decided to be a fencesitter and say absolutely nothing about the whole ordeal as it'll just cause me trouble

"oh you dont like the skin because you feel that it doesn't fit hunt well? who cares about your opinion you're just a crybaby! if you dont like it stop playing" as if they just dont care about the creative narrative at all?

i will say though.
the weapon skins in the bundle are REALLY GOOD.

[granite shard]

They might not personally care about reading the lore but they enjoy the value lore brings in the structure of things

There’s consistency that comes from having a strong narrative backbone

[clear glacier]

This is what I was also trying to say.

Good lore makes a good game. Detracting that story from the game just makes it feel empty.

i find it a

damn shame.

[spiral mica]

The edgy and cool argument can apply to a lot of hunters we have. People bashed on Reaper when he released and several other hunters like Penitent, Devil's advocate and Cowl could all be labeled as "edgy"

[clear glacier]

they detracted from that and added these guys

[noble scarab]

There wasn’t a spot to complain about the lack of lore on the new survey they posted

[spiral mica]

Honestly so many hunters have pretty edgy backstories

[manic lichen]

Been pointing that out a lot.
Who is gonna see Ghost Face and be like: I wanna put down 30 eur to go play the game with that skin!
A lot of "cross over heavy" games are either:

• Well Establish.
• Super Casual.
• F2P.
• Mix of all above.

Hunt is neither of that.

[clear glacier]

see but imo those 4 fit into the lore MUCH much better than ghostface

because well
hes ghostface bro. this is just a crossover

[clear glacier]

i honestly dont even wanna use the hunter.
I just want his drippy ass weapon skins

[noble scarab]

Also they don’t even stay true to ghostfaces own bio, the post says he found it on a hunting trip, the lore bio says someone put it on his porch

[clear glacier]

like holy shit that knife and bornheim silencer skin

[manic lichen]

Not to get too into it, but that is also just the playbook of modern (mostly right wing) politics.
And the gaming space is sadly a breeding ground for that.

[manic lichen]

It was more that PEOPLE think they are edge and cool for saying those things :)

[clear glacier]

i just almost said something i will definitely regret but yeah

[manic lichen]

Oh no! :V

moment

[clear glacier]

i dont know what direction hunt will take for its lore and gameplay and whatever but
ever since the ghostface addition ive been left feeling very... uncertain and anxious

the halloween event was fine

id take having no story on a battlepass than

a strange crossover that was just randomly announced and jsut happened

and one that doesnt fit into the hunt lore very well imo

i dunno. theres just an uneasiness in my heart since this thing dropped

[spiral mica]

I mean Keith Cowen, one of my favorite hunters for obvious reasons is just a murderer and scoundrel who poaches alligators and people alike. I can't deny he's a little bit edgy but he's also visually cool so I don't really care what people might think about him.

You can recognize something is dark and edgy but still think it's cool

[granite shard]

idk there's edgy and then there's just like

[raw gust]

Also there's some stuff that tries too hard to be dark and edgy but comes off as tacky (reaper)

[granite shard]

brand deal

[spiral mica]

There's edgy and then there's Ghostface

Teehee look at meee slash slash

[real cedar]

No no he's saying the commentators feel edgy for being aloof and above the whole issue "like why care"

[granite shard]

yeah those people are frustrating

[spiral mica]

The edge adds to the charm of the game

[native marlin]

reaper is edgy, ghostface is ghostface

[granite shard]

like idk, it's just so weird to me when people get dismissive over things other people e njoy

[spiral mica]

It's also worth noting that there's a difference between edgy and gritty

Reaper isn't really even that edgy if you delve a bit deeper into his story but it's all about perspective too

It's how you personally view something based on the information you have

[real cedar]

Being a tragic misunderstood killer is pretty classically edgy imo

[raw gust]

He's pretty edgy idk. Also why does he have 4 scythes

[granite shard]

lots of crops to harvest

his interactions in tide of corruption really did a lot to endear him to me

it just gave him another layer beyond murder man which really helped

[raw gust]

The backstory is fine, I think his visual design is a bit much

I'm sure I would have thought he was really cool when I was 14

[native marlin]

for sure, hes gotten better, but i have so much hatred in my heart for him, cain, reptillian, headsman, etc that i dont know if that can be reverted

[raw gust]

(unironically, not in a insulting way)

[spiral mica]

Lots of corpses to harvest and reap

Reaper is like a vampire bat they both need a certain liter of blood to sustain themselves

[raw gust]

(unless you consider being compared to me at 14 to be intrinsically insulting, which frankly I find insulting)

[spiral mica]

I'm sure if he could avoid it Reaper wouldn't want to kill but he's forced to kill or forget

To me edginess stems from someone who kills for the thrill of it regardless if they have mental issues or not but someone who is forced to kill because they need to in order to survive is different and doesn't strike me as that edgy

People like Penitent are edgy because not only does he inflict pain on himself but onto others and doesn't appear to have any remorse for it but Reaper feels tragic but not edgy. Looks can be deceiving after all.

I guess one way to put it is visually Reaper is a very edgy character but his whole tragic misunderstood killer story doesn't give me edgy vibes

[deft storm]

The "secret" entertainment company business formula looks to be: target those with a 13-14yo mindset and "disposable" income...chase around the current trends with your new cosmetic "products" or superficial additions.... and keep your in-game narratives and plotlines so vague and ViBeS based that you can't ever contradict yourself. It just adds to tHe MyThos

"..spurred discussion" = community spitting blood all over our idea

[orchid tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-mike-ehrmantraut-marmok-gif-15491755101192661700

[sullen iron]

I really don’t like this- the wording irks me so much.
You can tell Crytek really isn’t happy with the community backlash and ridicule

[deft storm]

I noticed this too. That is crazy lol

[orchid tangle]

lets break ghostface down

• made to be a satire on horror movies

• main focuses include, voice changer, phone calls, and working in groups of the same outfit

• no paranormal focus (except those delusions in 6 we don't talk about)

• there is ALWAYS a motive, the ghostface identity isn't just to be insane, there is a reason they target the person they do and their friends

lets break hunt down

• made to be 1896 in a paranormal filled demonic land

• has no horror movies, voice changers, phone calls, and while hunters could all dress up as him, he is one person in lore

• he has no motive, just went crazy cuz lol

• the mask implied to possess him, there wasn't anything to do with a motive, revenge, or anything

so where DOES it fit??

he kills people? characters in hunt kill people? we could get some WILD people in this game if thats what we consider "fitting"

[sullen iron]

In the head of people who wish for mainstream revenue with no love for their own lore?

[granite shard]

Also to be fair this isn’t scream ghost face

The license does seem to be specifically with Fun World the IP holder of the Ghost Face mask

Dbd did a better job making a ghost face character tho

Like their GF collab w fun world the mask IP holder just worked a lot better

[orchid tangle]

dbd was fine without phone calls and what not because it's a game of slashers, you can kinda add about anyone, just like how hunt could add as many cultist or cowboy skins as they want

[manic lichen]

Sure, but that is the cultural zeitgeist of the mask.
People don't see Fun World Ghost Face mask.
They see John Scream himself and that is why corpo do crossover deals with it.

[granite shard]

Yeah 100%

[sullen iron]

Honestly most of my dislike from Cryteks recent actions stems from the fact I want hunt to do well but keep what hooked me 3-4 years ago

[orchid tangle]

the ghostface costume was called peanut eyed ghost before he was in the movies, I see ghostface in the game, they made the bed, gotta lay in it now

[granite shard]

lol fair, I’ve just seen people talking abt them having a collab w scream

[manic lichen]

Well not like hunt is doing much better than 3-4 years ago.

[granite shard]

So I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page in terms of where the license is actually from on that

[orchid tangle]

but honestly, if they just start shitting out IP skins and don't step up their game fixing all the issues we get each update I probably will eventually drop the game, this game has me on aesthetics, the gameplay is nothing special to hook me when I look at other games

[manic lichen]

I'm just waiting for and hoping HUNGER is gonna be good.

[granite shard]

I love the gameplay for hunt and the world of it is so special to me

It’s why I’m so upset :/

[sullen iron]

Yeah that is a great point- why isn’t it much more successful than the past?

[granite shard]

Well it was

The relaunch didn’t go as planned and people are pissed

[deft storm]

Hunger looks it could draw away lots of Hunt players..

[orchid tangle]

well hey! on the good note, we've already proven the slippery slope goes further to people who got annoyed at the ones talking about it

[deft storm]

really?

[granite shard]

Someone asked why it’s not doing well

I answered why it’s not doing well, no need to get sarcastic

[manic lichen]

Honestly I think it is almost worse that Crytek wanna shoehorn all these corpo skins into the lore.
At least if it was just "not part of the universe, we just want money" that would be better.
Instead we need to deal with Ghost Face being actual cannon of the game.

[sullen iron]

In my opinion,The slippery slope is only a fallacy when there is no credible/ logical links for it to work

[granite shard]

Yeah that’s a good point

[deft storm]

no I'm not being sarcastic....did the relaunch really not go as planned?

[sullen iron]

Nah

[deft storm]

just because of bugs?

[sullen iron]

Retention didn’t work

Cause of a few key factors

[granite shard]

I mean the plan for the relaunch was probably to get a bunch of new players on board, but with the bugs and UI, people didn’t stick

[sullen iron]

1. UI shit
2. Bugs
3. Hunt is genuinely a hard game to pick up and learn

[granite shard]

It’s rough, I’m hoping things can turn around but it seems like a lot of decisions were made with the idea that there’d be a ton of new players playing

[sullen iron]

New players do have it rough

[granite shard]

But now it’s already disgruntled older players getting licensed hunters lol

[deft storm]

you're right

[sullen iron]

House divided can’t stand feels

[granite shard]

I think what scares me is if they are taking the feedback into account, I don’t think they can really change plans for the next few updates and there’s probs more decisions like ghost face ®️ ready to ship

[sullen iron]

I fear you are right

[granite shard]

So like if things do change for the better in the future, will hunt still have a strong playerbase to support it?

[manic lichen]

Hunt was steady growing, but always been held back by glaring technical issues.
It was hard to recommend the ultra hardcore game when you could die from the server shitting themselves.
Then Crytek had -some- success with events and people was excited about them, but it was a hard-fought battle to NOT making it a monetization hell, as they hired in monetization people from games like warthunder.
When battlepasses was finally in a "fair" condition, they started to shit out events so much that people simply just got exhausted, Tide trilogy started out well, but lost more and more players over the year as it was event after event after event.

And this is still with all the bugs and glaring balance issues that were slow to be fixed.

In short: Old Hunt would have been able to grow if Crytek actually focused to better the gameplay experience and not the monetization models :)

[raw gust]

A bit conspiratorial but I feel like new player retention was a factor in them deciding to fix the wallbang "bugs"

[deft storm]

the boat might be too big to turn around

[sullen iron]

bureaucracy is hard to stop when in motion

[orchid tangle]

yeah, it's not just coincidence they got ghostface mid-october. The fact they had so much confidence in talking about IPs in their tweet I feel basically confirms they have stuff lined up because something like hunt can't just assume they'll get IPs

[raw gust]

Attack on Titan collab will be lit

[sullen iron]

I didn’t know about the battle pass issues- thank you for your input

[manic lichen]

You want the whole list of all the shennanigans crytek have tried to pull over the years? :p

[sullen iron]

I started end of the 1st moon event but please do go ahead

[granite shard]

BPs were so great from Devil’s moon to tide of desolation and then the quality started dipping in desolation’s wake

[sullen iron]

Never hurts to learn more

[sullen iron]

To help with discussions in the future

[manic lichen]

• Lessen the player "play to earn" venue for Premium Currency, to push sales for bundles for "best deals" akin to mobile games.
• Soft loot box/random reward mechanics where said premium currency can be spent (Chary & Black Market).
• Changed their free events into Premium Battle Pass.
• Premium timed Battle Pass boosters that continues to expires even when you don't play the game.
• Premium weapon and player skins that affects gains of certain event currency, a soft pay-to-skip.
• Increase focus of limited events, deals & player/weapon skins to invoke FOMO in players.
• Daily win reward system that only give pay-out if you win 5 days in a row, a daily log-in system.
• Weekly quest system where the biggest progress/reward payout is behind paid DLC.

Also my fav: Added dirt to the game, just so they could sell us gun cleaning for BB lol

Many of these things have been reverted or altered luckily, but it still something Crytek tried to get away with.

[sullen iron]

That’s why you need pushback

[manic lichen]

And here is the charts on how much more events fills Hunt over the years.

[granite shard]

When was the dirt added? I started playing in may 2021 and don’t remember it not existing

[sullen iron]

Bloat

[manic lichen]

loooooong ago before women I think even.

[granite shard]

The removal of paying to clean your gun and restructuring your bars was good

Didn’t you also have to pay to remove traits too

[sullen iron]

Yep

[manic lichen]

Traits too yes :)

[granite shard]

What a bad dream I’m waking up from

[raw gust]

Controversial but part of me prefers not being able to respec

[sullen iron]

Can I ask why?

[granite shard]

I don’t fully disagree

[sullen iron]

Just curious

[manic lichen]

yeah, but it also did make some silly play patterns

[deft storm]

playing the hand you're dealt is fun

[raw gust]

Severe homogenization of gameplay, before hunters felt more unique

[sullen iron]

Fair

[raw gust]

Mixed feelings about legendary hunters even existing for similar reasons

[sullen iron]

Well I’ve gotta go see you guys

[manic lichen]

Yeah, but it also just made people burn their bars before extracting lol
Sure it cost trait points to get them back, but also you get so many for winning it was hardly an issue.

[raw gust]

Setting yourself on fire to respec

[manic lichen]

[raw gust]

<- Sicko

[granite shard]

Like some hunt clunk needed to be removed

But other parts of it gave hunt a lot of charm

[raw gust]

I agree, realistically it had to happen

[manic lichen]

Hot take: The bar system is novel, but ultimately bad for balance and meta.

[granite shard]

Yeah, and now it feels kinda outdated bc most players will have a singular bar setup and never change it

Like they’re trying to push for different setups w burns making it riskier to have 25 up front

[manic lichen]

That and it just make long ammo so much stronger.

[granite shard]

Yeah

[raw gust]

I don't think relentless should be default but I have been thinking about this and what they can do about it

I think the main issue is repeaters getting >125 damage

[manic lichen]

For sure!
That said it could use a 3 downs and your out system and it would be fine imo

[raw gust]

They never really found a way to make big bars worth it

[manic lichen]

Only for solos

It is a classic design pitfall of assuming people gonna see possibilities instead of just optimization.
Like, I have deemed BIG | SMALL | BIG | SMALL the best for the current meta, so I ain't gonna go with anything else.

[raw gust]

I agree that people stick with what they're used to, but also going down with a big bar is just way too punishing

But also, if they split into 2 25s or something on down, then there would be no reason to run small bars

[orchid tangle]

The reddit is getting more and more sad to watch after the announcement. I usually don't label people things intentionally but some of these posts are just... stupid to be blunt

I don't get why they double down on saying ghostie fits to the lore, especially after lore was dumped.

Mortal kombat introduces tons of ips and understands to keep them as just ips and not lore characters

[real cedar]

It's the worst of both worlds in a way, they're canon to the world and people can point to them as canon but they'll never actually be part of the story in any meaningful way

[deft storm]

some players confused about what "Lore" actually is....I think they think it matches the themes of Hunt....I think

[granite shard]

Or thinking Easter eggs in the map are the same as a brand deal

[orchid tangle]

"That default horse infront of the shack is literally donkey from Shrek dude"

[sinful bloom]

Do we know if they are bringing back the lore tab in the future or no?

[granite shard]

No announced plans

[real cedar]

The only thing we know is that when they announced that the library was being deleted, they said a new weapon and monster progression system was in the works.
Since then, there's been no further talk of the lore returning, which makes me think the lore library really isn't coming back.

[granite shard]

Some people have taken that as lore will return but there’s been no confirmation of that

[ember halo]

It's gone

[sinful bloom]

ik its gone ramp

[manic lichen]

For me it is sucha surface level match.
It is like adding a Glock 18, give it some "old timey aesthetic flair" and says it fit Hunt bc Hunt has guns in it.

[ember halo]

I look forward to how we can talk about how Michael Meyers and Ghost face view each other while hunting bounties in Colorado

[granite shard]

[sinful bloom]

i mean we probably wont get a next collab for a while if they do one again

[granite shard]

That’s optimistic

[real cedar]

I think it'll happen soon, especially by the way the two dev messages talked about it

[sinful bloom]

hey for me thats the only way to keep me playin

[deft storm]

It is that, but somehow a step further, like "it's also Morpheus' G18 from The Matrix Reloaded!!!"

[real cedar]

It's John Wick's Pit Viper from John Wick Chapter 4 but they turned it into a Dolch!

Sponsored by Taran Tactical ™️

[raw gust]

They've all but confirmed they have other ones in the works

[ember halo]

Both responses came off as dismissive and hostile.

I would have been better if they seemed oblivious.

I think we will be seeing more collabs pretty soon

[deft storm]

where did they respond, twitter and....?

[ember halo]

Reddit I can link if you want

It was the community manager that only shows his face when told to

[raw gust]

In retrospect the other community manager quitting right before the engine update was probably a bad sign

[deft storm]

sure I'll take a link

[raw gust]

https://old.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/1gb8kes/developer_update_ghost_face_rampage_dlc/

[deft storm]

gracias

[deft storm]

fuck, forgot about that...what was her name

[raw gust]

Violet, yeah?

[ember halo]

Violet

Yep

[deft storm]

wow

[vernal knoll]

Doesn't come as hostile to me tbh, dismissive maybe, also I don't know what your gripes with the CM are so maybe you feel that way for a reason

[vernal knoll]

What is the other response they've made ?

[real cedar]

This one right here is the much more dismissive one

[deft storm]

twitter one is def worse

[lofty parrot]

I mean, they can type as many paragraphs and be as eloquent as they like, but... It really doesn't change what this looks like tbh.

[orchid tangle]

I honestly would have nothing to say if they were just like "it's not lore, we wanted cash, thought players would enjoy it"

I'd still be annoyed but I'd at least think they're being truthful

man just now reading the reddit post this line really urks me "With that in mind, we want to assure you that the introduction of IP collaborations is focused on working with brands that blend well with the world of Hunt"

that's literally just saying

"your guys point is wrong we're in the right actually"

[granite shard]

honestly I think them putting out a statement was prob a bad idea since nothing they could have said would make it betterr

there was no way to walk this back and people were gonna be mad at anything else

[orchid tangle]

I'm surprised they did

I was hoping for one, I'm certainly entertained by the result, but I wasn't expecting one

personally if I was a game creator and made this mistake I'd only release a statement if it were to say "we hear you, we are too far into development and promises with this current skin, but we will do no more in the future, apologies"

or something along that

[deft storm]

TIL the Scream mask isn't even an Edvard Munch scream reference....it's from 30's Fleischer Cartoons lmfao.
https://www.cracked.com/article_33418_how-screams-mask-was-inspired-by-1930s-cartoons-not-that-munch-painting.html

[manic lichen]

Oh yeah, the Munch thing is an urband legend.

[zenith perch]

After the last several skins being really negative, Ghost Face is very positive on steam

[real cedar]

The last several skins got negatively rated because of the missing skin issue

[zenith perch]

Oh really?

[deft storm]

you knew this whole time without saying anything??

[granite shard]

I think the ghost face dlc is so positive bc it’s the people who bought it and a lot of them bought it to “own” the negative people

[deft storm]

just posting the article so it will hopefully make its way to the people justifying the skin as an inspiration from the 1893 painting

[real cedar]

"Ghost Face is very positively reviewed"

[zenith perch]

[deft storm]

hey, it's still airborne!

[zenith perch]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-gif-18102989

People rn

[granite shard]

Yeahhhh

Like I’m curious as to what the reviews would look like if people who chose not to buy it could contribute

[faint nimbus]

I’ve seen so many ghostfaces today

[zenith perch]

https://tenor.com/view/wazappp-gif-16533663536355085528

[faint nimbus]

I wonder if it’s because of those contrarians buying the skin or if people genuinely really like it

normally when a dlc drops I see one dlc hunter a squad but I’ve seen full lobby’s of ghost face

[real cedar]

People love their memberberries

[noble scarab]

I guess it’s a meme skin now

Can’t wait for a full trio with ghost face, Freddy and Jason

[faint nimbus]

I don’t know why but I’m reminding of the first Christmas event when everyone said that skinflint was too silly for hunt now look at us

[manic lichen]

Ah didn't knew it was part of the discourse.

[real cedar]

What wonderful problems we used to have

[zenith perch]

[zenith perch]

The Shape skin with the the "mask" being a bunch of ash he put on his face from a house fire or something

[tulip kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

Stop giving them ideas

[zenith perch]

Nevah

Or the mask can be the face of someone he skinned

All stitched together

[deft storm]

Skinflint is still subtle...he's like a wink*nudge reference, and holidays definitely get a little room for special skins.. I always think of Headsman as a good Halloween skin, but honestly Mama Maye was really good - as a spooky, Victorian ghost story Halloween character, she looks great

[zenith perch]

He can be a miner too from one of the mines, have like the overalls or something

[raw gust]

Skinflint's biggest issue is wearing a winter coat in the bayou, but a lot of hunters do that

[granite shard]

Imo even the coal bearer isn’t like. The worst

Like he’s as far as I ever wanted them to go

[spiral mica]

Nothing we have gotten so far as been as bad as Ghostface in my opinion

And the reaction people had to it kind of reflects that

[real cedar]

The Vikings are close since they're an unofficial Vikings (2013) crossover.

[granite shard]

The Vikings crossed the line for me

[spiral mica]

Those viking hunters are very very close for me too

[granite shard]

Hex breaker worked bc his design looked good and his lore tied into the witch hunter

[spiral mica]

I've seen people compare Hex Breaker to Van Helsing

I'm not sure if that was their intention there

[tulip kindle]

Fuck it
Add Hugh Jackman's Van Helsing

https://tenor.com/view/van-helsing-hugh-jackman-horror-tips-hat-gif-2184450013420646

[faint nimbus]

Pretty sure that is what he’s inspired by could be wrong

[raw gust]

I think he's more solomon kane but either way thematically more appropriate

[real cedar]

Hex Breaker is a Solomon Kane reference, one line in the text mentions "emerging from crimson shadows". Red Shadows is the first story he appeared in.

[deft storm]

I like how you can see him moving through cornfields because of his meter tall hat

[spiral mica]

To me it's like how Bloodborne looks like the film Brotherhood of the Wolf. It's very similar in appearance.

[noble scarab]

Bloodborne was partly inspired by brotherhood of the wolf iirc

At least the hunter designs

Now that skins are no big deal, we need a Dracula stand in, a traditional witch, a knight, maybe a dude running around in one of those old diving suits

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-diver-eivind-frogman-gif-14830614

[orchid tangle]

someone made a post about this on reddit using it as a way to say people aren't actually that hating of the DLC

I think that's the first post on the internet period that kinda made me pissed off

went off in the comments a bit about how their go to response about hatred is always "If you don't like it don't buy it"

[granite shard]

I do think it's funny how like

people who are always accused of being crytek shills are the most negative abt the ghostface dlc

whereas the people doing those accusations are the ones being like "omg why are you so mad"

[tulip kindle]

And why stop at Dracula? Get all the classic monsters in there because who cares.

[noble scarab]

A werewolf, Frankenstein’s monster (the counterpart of ochenkovs widow)

[tulip kindle]

Invisible Man, The Mummy, Gillman

[noble scarab]

What’s another spooky^tm brand that fits into hunts lore

We have a mummy, kinda

The invisible man would be op unless he had a mask on

[real cedar]

During the skin issue that was a thing, someone had a terrifying fight with a pair of legs

[noble scarab]

We could bring in some walking dead characters, get Rick in there in his sheriff outfit, with a Caldwell 357

Michonne would fit, she’s even got a katana

[granite shard]

sam and dean winchester, the extract becomes the impala when you use those skins

[tulip kindle]

Hunt gameplay is wild these days
https://youtu.be/_Ek5v10EHoI?si=ZMhKonYshfpW3E4u

[noble scarab]

Unrelated thought, crytek are cowards for never making a train as an extract location

[real cedar]

The Colt conversion, the demon knife, what would be the full sized weapon though?

[noble scarab]

A fortified train car would be great

[faint nimbus]

a train car needs an engine to pull it

[tulip kindle]

That wild axe Dean got from purgatory could be a melee weapon too

[granite shard]

it has to be a winfield

[noble scarab]

They hand wave the boats, so a train car and a mini engine wouldn’t be a big deal

[faint nimbus]

years ago some guy on the subreddit made an amazing concept drawing of a hot air balloon extract

I need to find it again

[noble scarab]

You’re not telling me some of those boats didn’t just get air lifted in there. Either that or they rebuilt the fences around them, or the area experienced a rapid water level rise/fall

[orchid tangle]

you're never getting a skin for that ever

[high stone]

please Crytek hear my prayers…I just want The Crypt Keeper as a skin

[zenith perch]

Wasn't saying people weren't actually hating, just didn't know about the skins going away thing that caused all of the other dlcs to be negatively reviewed

[real cedar]

What's surprising is how many bad reviews the Shrine Maiden skin has. I gotta go check out what the issue was

[zenith perch]

The throwing knife

[faint nimbus]

It took until yesterday I’m pretty sure to fix those throwing knives

[real cedar]

I thought so too, but 300 of the reviews are from launch day.

[zenith perch]

That's for Shrine Maiden?

[real cedar]

Yup

[zenith perch]

That's weird

Such a good skin

[real cedar]

It looks like people were against it for the high price while you got less from it. It was a few months before the DLC got updated with the katana skin

[zenith perch]

Ah

[manic lichen]

Think she was the first in a long time that got less items in a bundle.

[zenith perch]

I bought her because of the new Japanese stuff in the battlepass

Shrine Maiden wit da Slate

[spiral mica]

The story of the movie is also very hunter and prey just like Bloodborne but Bloodborne goes from Victorian monster hunters to Eldritch cosmic horror

[manic lichen]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/hunt-showdown-ghost-face-dlc-controversy-statement/
TWO Hunt articles about Hunt from PC gamers in a week? We are blessed

[granite shard]

I feel like I’d be less annoyed on a lore level if it wasn’t “we’re making these guys fit the hunt universe” but instead “this isn’t canon to the main story, but here’s another universe where this character is there”

[manic lichen]

Well suggested it in feedback, lets hope they read it :V

[orchid tangle]

ha

[noble scarab]

canon is dead, we pick and choose what parts we vibe with now

[real cedar]

After looking at it closer, I think ol' granny Bone Mason (May 2023) was the turning point. This last year of skins was getting looser and looser but Bone Mason specifically feels like a good before/after threshhold. Before her, the outlier/goofy skins were:
-Plague Doc (March 2021)
-Cain (July 2021)
-Mama Maye (Oct 2022)
-Kill Buyer (Feb 2023) almost fits as a turning point but DLCs are more prominent and the following couple of skins from the gator questlines were really solid.

After her, you get
-Goofy helmet Wayward Helmsman
-Scarecrow
-Most of the Demented hunters
-Umpire's Bane
-Santa
-Corvid Plague Doc cosplays
-Union Suit
-Prodigal Son weird tie-in lore
-Vikings
-Red Riding Hood
-Pumpkinhead

Most of the skins that people have had complaints about or otherwise point to when talking about how the game's not serious, it's largely from mid 2023 onward.

[granite shard]

Bone mason has been my dividing point too, granted for a different (gender) issue but yeah that stuff is really true as well

[noble scarab]

Union suit fits the same way redneck does

[deft storm]

When was The Reaper? That was another sticking point for me

[noble scarab]

Goofy dude wearing his only/preferred set of clothes

[granite shard]

I think Dec 2022

[real cedar]

October 2022

[raw gust]

I also feel like scarecrow is pretty reasonable. Good investigative journalism though

[deft storm]

ok

Scarecrow, I will say, doesn't feel like the same way they would have done a Scarecrow 3 or 4 years earlier. Different artists, I suppose, and he's still not bad

[real cedar]

Redneck at least plays to an archetype, union suit is just a guy in his underwear, it's only gonna be a goof.
I suppose Redneck could be considered the first goofy guy in that sense, I've got a bias for the earliest skins

[granite shard]

Redneck and red shirt

Tbf if the red shirt dropped today people would be mad

[raw gust]

Being red = goofy

[granite shard]

Haha

[real cedar]

Redshirt kinda fit for the time period cause it was almost like calling out to the statement of playing whiteshirts proudly. Today the same message wouldn't work

[granite shard]

That’s fair

[deft storm]

yea, the target on the back is very on the nose

[raw gust]

The game was never 100% serious, redshirt and redneck were "joke" skins but they also fit the setting and meshed well

Phantom was pretty early and another skin that I would call an outlier

[real cedar]

Yeah, the first blatant reference

[granite shard]

The moment I got really sold on the phantom is when I read his book of weapon entries

[deft storm]

right, no one is saying you can't have a humorous skin at all

[raw gust]

Part of the issue is frequency with these reference skins too

[granite shard]

Like his skin was charming and I liked his prosthetic arm, but the additional lore abt him and lynch and his dad just added a ton of depth to him

Or at least just another layer beyond phantom of the opera cosplaying lawyer lol

I think a lot of skins also just miss out on like. Setting them in the hunt world

The vaquero vs the Mountie is my main example

The Mountie is an occupation skin but his costuming has stuff that sets him in the world

[deft storm]

Phantom still had some gear with thought put into its design as well, not pounds and pounds of jewelry, rags and scarves

[granite shard]

The vaquero is a dude w a bandolier and a mariachi outfit

[raw gust]

There are some archetype characters; the kid comes from a long line of western characters inspired by billy the kid

[real cedar]

Mountie's lore also connects directly with the storyline and other characters to feel more lived in. Benefits of being a DLC character with extra lore budget

[granite shard]

Yeah

But even Hail Mary has stuff that sets her visually in with the hunt

I’m not saying add arcane writing to outfits to make them a hunter

[raw gust]

People say Meridian Turncoat is a Blood Meridian reference, but other than the name I'm not sure who in that book he's supposed to be referencing. Maybe Toadvine?

[granite shard]

But it’s just adding that extra layer

[deft storm]

Vaquero's bandolier looks like it's filled up with paper cartridges too.... seems a little careless not to give him the metallic cartridges for every gun in the game Oh just looks that way in the promo art

[green pollen]

quick question but would anyone have a list of all the legendary skins associated with the Moses family?

[deft storm]

right? There's nothing

[real cedar]

Brookes' Burner fire bomb, Obituary lemat carbine, Shootist's Joy crossbow deadeye, Corn Cob Bowl weapon charm, Hoot and Holler big dynamite bundle, and Kinfolk's Clutch terminus.

[green pollen]

thank you kindly, this redneck loadout is gonna rule

[real cedar]

💪 👨‍🌾

[granite shard]

I think there’s a shotgun too right?

A terminus

[raw gust]

I mean his description does directly say "meridian of blood", but none of the characters are a direct match. Maybe just a thematic inspiration

[granite shard]

Wait I’m dumb

You had it at the end

[raw gust]

Bathcat or Toadvine seem most similar

[granite shard]

I saw the big dynamite bundle listed and my brain went “rai is now listing consumables no more guns”

[raw gust]

Also I wrote that out as "Toadvibe" at first and deeply considered leaving it

[real cedar]

I was scrolling down my list going from redneck to redneck's daughter, I guess sometimes I keep them alphabetical and sometimes I go main-secondary-consumable-charm

[granite shard]

Haha all good, my brain just did a silly

[deft storm]

yea but that's where it ends...I understand the "inspiration", even though it takes place like 45 years before hunt

[raw gust]

He should have come with an Uppercut pair instead of dolches tbh

[deft storm]

to me he looked like he was going to be a Werewolf hunter type character, since he released close to Lonely Howl, the wolf weapon set, and the others....but the Blood Meridian reference made me think otherwise..

[clear glacier]

His costuming stuff? I missed this wheree was it?

like was there lore entries for it

or was it simply from the guy's look

[spiral mica]

does anyone else think it'd be hard to flip up the sights on the drilling with some of the gloves that hunters wear?

these gloves are specifically "Kote gloves" and they're actually more akin to something like armored mittens but the ones Kendoka wears have more of the glove shaped but are still very thick and padded.

[normal jewel]

yeah pretty much but i also do not really see the point in flipping the sight up or down exept "Balancing" (because the gun needs a visiual animation for switching firemodes)

[granite shard]

by costuming I just mean his outfit

[spiral mica]

The LeMat carbine doesn't really have a visual effect for switching fire modes so I never understood why the drilling needed one in the first place

[normal jewel]

it actually has you switch also the cocking lever just pay attention ist a very unnoticable thing

[real cedar]

The irl Luftwaffe M30 Drilling automatically flipped the rear sight up and down when you changed fire modes with the switch on the grip, so I guess the Hunt designers wanted to mirror the functionality but with a more 1895 style.

[raw gust]

They opened up a can of worms by using that drilling specifically to model from.

[normal jewel]

i know i own one

[spiral mica]

Ah you're right sometimes I don't pay attention when I switch firing modes because I'm usually about to blow someone away in the heat of the battle 😂

[normal jewel]

Understandable

i only know because i am a gun freak so i know pretty much too much about all the hunt weapons

[spiral mica]

Yeah when the drilling first dropped my friend and I compared it to the model used in Battlefield 5 and the resemblance is uncanny.

They're basically identical but the one in Battlefield is the true drilling with the double barrel shotgun and the under barrel rifle.

[normal jewel]

if one is to shoot i can tell you where he shot from wich gun he was using and the individual positions his nosehairs are standing in

[raw gust]

Drillings are period accurate, and double rifle drillings do exist.

But they clearly used the one from 1930 as the base

[spiral mica]

I have yet to actually see a double rifle drilling in a museum or video because I have never seen one but if they do exist I'm sure they're exceedingly rare

And yeah the M30 was their model for the game and because Crytek is based out of Frankfurt I'm sure the art development team probably visited a museum or something to view the real thing for modeling.

Some of the guns especially the older ones are very accurately portrayed so much in fact that Jonathan Ferguson the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armory museum in the UK did three separate videos analyzing them from the game and had some pretty nice things to say about it.

[raw gust]

Per wikipedia:
Drillings ("drilling" being German for "triplet") normally consist of two matching smoothbore barrels and a rifled barrel (German: Normaldrilling, common drilling), but may cover a much broader range of shapes and configurations.[3]

Since drillings were generally made by small manufacturers, each maker would pick whichever layout they preferred, or whatever layout the customer ordered. The most common layout was a side-by-side shotgun with a centerfire rifled barrel centered on the bottom, such as the M30 L Drilling. A similar arrangement of a side-by-side shotgun with a rifled barrel centered on top, generally a .22 rimfire caliber or .22 Hornet, was also fairly common.

Rarer were the drillings that used two rifled barrels and a single smoothbore barrel. These were harder to make, since, like a double-barreled rifle, the rifled barrels must be very carefully regulated, that is, aligned during manufacture to shoot to the same point of aim at a given distance. This requires more precision than regulation of double-barreled shotgun barrels, which are used at shorter ranges with wide patterns of shot where a small misalignment won't be significant. If the rifled barrels were the same caliber, then the three barrels were generally arranged in a triangle, both rifled barrels on top or one rifled and the smoothbore barrel on top (this being known as a cross-eyed drilling).

Anyway, this is why the drilling costs $530

[spiral mica]

I thought the price was $510

[raw gust]

Eh, something like that

[green pollen]

I know it will never happen, but a slight remodel of the drilling to make it seem less like the M30 would be cool

Or skins that make change the base look of the gun slightly

[orchid tangle]

Don't worry that'll be a whole ass new gun when they run out of variants to put out

[clear glacier]

@real cedar hey i was reading your doc and i realized something

is mr chary still alive or something because as soon as i started reading the tide of shadows portion i got SUPER confused

[real cedar]

Mr. Chary's last appearance is in Tide of Desolation, whether he's alive or not is kinda up for debate.

[clear glacier]

i see

[orchid tangle]

on paper he is unknown but how the writing is foreshadowing a return 100%

or I would say that if they didn't burn the lore down

[acoustic island]

As bad as the burning of the library of Alexandria

[high stone]

I would like a really cheap, janky looking “Hunter Standard Combo” gun, that maybe Tier ones get when they join…like a singleshot medium or compact barrel over a single shot shotgun…maybe with a trauma stock or something too

But it looks very amateur, unpolished

[green pollen]

i love the cheapo weapons. Personally i think we need more hunting and civilian weapons for use

also prob more american weapons. Im fine with the out of border weapons and they have an ingame excuse but hot damn do i want some more american steel

[acoustic island]

So is the lore gonna stay gone for good? Or do you reckon they’re rewriting some stuff?

[raw gust]

Krag being added was my 12/25.
I don't think I would have minded the mosin meta that has been in this game since day one if it was the krag instead

[high stone]

I don’t think they’ve said either way, yet

[acoustic island]

Praying for lore reboot 🙏🙏

[spiral mica]

Hot take but I'm okay if doing crossovers in hunt means we get some semblance of lore back

Hell if it means we can get the books and event stories to return I'll welcome crossovers with open arms

[granite shard]

I'd rather have no lore than crossover lore

Crossover lore does nothing to actually enhance the story of hunt

[spiral mica]

In a perfect world I'd rather have the lore we used to have with 0 crossovers

but because they said crossovers are basically the future of hunt we'll just have to deal with it

[clear glacier]

very hot take indeed

[clear glacier]

it's honestly like
how do i say it?

the lesser of 2 evils lmao

[rare dirge]

Well they said they are still gonna do more in the future but it’s not THE future

At the very least I’m happy they said they are gonna try to keep the theme and style of hunt and be picky with what they crossover and and how they handle it

[spiral mica]

At this point I'm too exhausted to care too much and I'm just happy they're choosing to continue making stuff for a game I play the most

[rare dirge]

Fair enough

[manic lichen]

I would be more confident in their words if the didn't start out with Ghost Fucking Face.

[rare dirge]

well i think it can fit in the story esp since the mask the modern version is based off of a painting from before hunt i really do just think we hate it so much because we connect it to a modren thing

though i agree it doesnt really fit too because i also connect it to the modren thing

[spiral mica]

Their words aren't meant to instill confidence they're just supposed to satisfy you.

[manic lichen]

False

[rare dirge]

what part?

[manic lichen]

“When this mask project was given to me,” says Brigitte Sleiertin-Linden, the artist who developed the initial concept drawings for Fun World’s Ghostface, “I was tasked with designing ghostly faces to be made as masks and to do some drawings with a similar look and feel. So I did a bunch of sketches of different white, ghostly faces with simplistic black facial-feature shapes.”

“As an animation junkie,” she continues, explaining her inspiration, “I loved the old Max Fleischer cartoons, and Betty Boop was one of my faves. Those faces were mostly inspired by the ghosts from some of those old 1930s black-and-white cartoons.”
This flies in the face of the popular assumption that the famed Edvard Munch painting The Scream was the primary inspiration for the mask. “That whole inspired-by-Munch thing is a pat way to write off the design,” Sleiertin-Linden says, “but it’s not where my influence came from.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/wes-cravens-last-interview-horror-788393/

[rare dirge]

well either way you could totally swap the mask out for any other mask and the story they gave for this mask would work

i like that they tried and im just glad it actually looks good

[manic lichen]

Which is actually something I've touched upon too.
The fact you could swap/remove the mask and people would have 0 allusion it is Ghost Face is kinda a lose-lose design.
It doesn't really succeed to invoke the spirit or core concept of Ghost Face's character and the nature of the 90's icons zeitgeist makes it never fit into Hunt's world.

It will always be Ghost Face first and whatever lore/character written second.

That said it is ofc valid you like it and think it looks good :)

[rare dirge]

idk it just feels like people are overreacting a bit i too feel a bit uneasy about colabs but i trust that crytek wont go overboard with it

they talked about being picky about it and if they keep up the original story thing ill be fairly happy with future ones

[manic lichen]

Oh, I don't trust Crytek at all and that is where my issue lies lol
Overracting came bc people counter-pushed with corpo licking and fencesitting.

[rare dirge]

meh day one people were going wild

out of every company i see crytek takes a little more care with their game

[manic lichen]

Sorry, we talking about the game that have been in a perma-buggy state for 6 years.
That JUST got all its lore deleted 3 months ago?

Care is a strong word to use

[real cedar]

The collab definitely came at one of the points where a lot of people lost trust in Crytek.
Like even just 6 months ago, right after the Desolation's Wake event would've had more people tolerant of it. Like hell, the vikings came at that time and I was pretty forgiving of it, it just seemed like a well-intentioned fanservice that missed the mark. Now it's like, are the art direction people working in the last year and a half really on the same page about Hunt as they used to be?

[manic lichen]

Also is the bar for design really this low that the meme of putting a cowboy had on it is what makes things "fit" hunt?

Like this?

[rare dirge]

well the story told in the DLC desc is what im talking about

woulda said the same thing even if he didnt have a cowboy hat

[rare dirge]

no game recently been perfect and dare i say they get to the important bugs like anyone else would

also yeah that lore thing is werid but i doubt they gonna be removing it entirely im sure they working on something for that

[rare dirge]

well again so long as they dont go too crazy with it

like this is how i feel at the CURRENT state i could very well be wrong and they may just start going wild but i really just feel like people are assuming too quicky

[real cedar]

I get what you mean. I'd love to be wrong about it and they turn around completely on the lore, that it just had to be on the backburner cause they put all their focus into the 1896 update.

[rare dirge]

thats kinda the feel i got from this

something tells me if the UI was a smashing success from the start and the new engine upgrade didnt cause so many issues we probobly would have the lore back in and a story for this event

well thats assuming the story team doesnt just do lore i assume its just some more creative people on their team making lore along with other jobs

[loud steeple]

If the devs didn’t manage to fuck it we would have had an actual increase in player counts as well. It’s the same as before 1896 dropped

[rare dirge]

yeah i feel like it could have though tbh i didnt really expect the player count to increase any more then not doing 1896 and just making that event like any other (new map included)

maybe they shoulda pushed it back a bit and made sure to iron it out more

[loud steeple]

The new high concurrent player count should have meant something but the usual bugs and unresponsiveness from the devs scared off all the prospective new players

[rare dirge]

yeah i guess we are more used to it

[manic lichen]

I don't need it to be perfect.
The bugs and jankiness Hunt has been dealing with over its lifespan goes beyond that.
It is reflected in feedback and frequent topics in the community.
Hunt never have felt like a "finished" game and still doesn't.
Every update have an expectancy of something gonna break and that is usually also the case.
People will find something and ask "is this a feature or a bug?", this patch alone we have:

• New Burn Speeds that was noted.
• Whole penetration system that seems to be borked.
• Wilderness being bugged and giving free movement speed.

People attribute the negative reviews about the UI, but we had a free weekend and people still left.
If the UI was annoying, but rest of the game otherwise performed well, I'll guaranteed we have had a higher player retention, people would stomach the UI then, as games with worse UI have done in the past.

[noble roost]

whats with wilderness being bugged?

[orchid tangle]

The game is finished when they decide how punishing death should be

[manic lichen]

I will keep it vague bc it is could be considered me teaching people to do an "exploit".
Basically it is very easy too unintentional to "toggle" a speed boost when you have Surefoot.
Like, you don't have to go out of you way with your actions to toggle it and EVERYONE will accidentally toggle it on and off thru normal play, even if your tried to avoid doing it.

[noble scarab]

There’s also the dreaded cursor bug. Several skins are still missing legs and have been since their release. The random crashes. The servers self immolating. Etc

[rare dirge]

Best way to put it is we got it way better then most other games and I don’t think we gonna realize that until we lose it

1896 was a disaster of a launch

But like way better then literally any launch of any r6 season

The feedback can actually influence this game… most other games won’t change anything unless everyone starts throwing a massive fit all over social media (and most of the time they STILL get ignored)

[granite shard]

Tbh I think the only issue tho is feedback can influence things… but with stuff down the pipeline probably planned for “we’re gonna have a ton of new people in the community and they’re gonna enjoy this” when the scenario is more of a “we don’t have new people and the current players are disgruntled” thing

Will the community survive that?

Idk, I’m scared for the future rn

[real dove]

Same

[rare dirge]

Yeah it’s a little bit worrisome but I’m being optimistic here

I just REALLY doubt they want their game in this bad state

[orchid tangle]

I just don't like the tone and attitude I see from crytek a lot when they finally speak on things

[granite shard]

To play crytek defender a bit in terms of their tone

There’s really not a lot they could do otherwise

Like… they can’t really say “yeah ghost face was a mistake we’re sorry”

[rare dirge]

Well I mean they could but they already bought and designed and etc for this DLC so it was gonna drop either way

[orchid tangle]

I'm also thinking back on times I've seen them get on people for talking bad about the history saying it's disrespectful to the people at crytek making sure things are accurate

because... no... quite literally, this game is very bad with the little history and realism it attempts

for ghostface I just wish they didn't say "you guys are wrong he fits" in a corporate nice way

[manic lichen]

I mean they could say "based on the community responds we understand that X/Y/Z matters and we will take that more into consideration going forward when finding suitable cross over brand deals".

Ofc that would mean they need to follow up on it

[granite shard]

Yeah I think the issue tho is like. What if there’s already stuff cooking they can’t back out on?

So they’d then look like hypocrites

Idk, it’s a rough situation

[manic lichen]

Then you say "we have already committed to a pipeline of products and when that have been cycled out we'll take more care"

[rare dirge]

Yeah that would be the best way of handling that

But I have a feeling they were already being picky with what they crossed over with before backlash maybe they are gonna be more so with future ones because of the backlash?

[zenith perch]

That would be my guess

[raw gust]

I assume they already have a few more in the pipeline

[orchid tangle]

someone on reddit said something scary about their wording that it sounded like they might add just straight up people

like how dbd added nicholas cage

[granite shard]

God I hope not

I don’t think the community would survive that

[sullen iron]

I agree the community is beginning to fray. Even a large creator like Pyschoghost actually said that Ghostface is a mistake. That don’t happen often

https://m.twitch.tv/psychoghost/clip/MildHotArugulaYee-kqnNopY9Fi4uEYXQ?desktop-redirect=true&filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

The clip in question if people wanna check it

[noble scarab]

From reddit^

Also it looks like any comments that disparage ghost face or criticize crytek are being downvoted

[raw gust]

"or personalities"

Will be fun when they add some streamer or celebrity that turns out to be a creeper

That will be great for the brand

[granite shard]

Honestly it’s just people being contrarians at this point

[real cedar]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/youre-not-going-to-see-peter-griffin-or-anime-characters-coming-to-hunt-says-crytek-in-response-to-fears-that-its-scream-crossover-means-its-fortnite-now/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow
Third PC Gamer article about the DLC, this time with developer statements

"From a narrative point of view, we focused on the iconic mask as a deadly heirloom passed down through generations, from killer to killer, finding its way to those easily corrupted with its foul whispers. We loved the idea of exploring the 1890's history of the mask, before it became a 1990s icon."```

The whole heirloom thing really didn't make it into the character's lore

[rare dirge]

Yeah I only heard of it from things like dev statements I don’t think it’s in the DLC desc

[noble scarab]

All the dlc says is that the mask got tossed at the guys door

He put it on and now he’s ghost face

Even with the backstory it’s still just kinda ghost face

[granite shard]

I just don’t get how they think a super 20th century mask fits the 19th century

[noble scarab]

It’d fit better if it was more obviously wooden or otherwise changed

A lot of the edits I’ve seen make it look a lot better, with it fitting into the world

[granite shard]

I’ve said it before, but ultimately the issue is they could only do so much since the IP collab is that mask

It’s why the outfit fits well with hunt but the mask stands out so much

[real cedar]

They put plenty of effort into making the skin fit aesthetically but there's not much you can do thematically. It's a rubber store-bought mask made famous by a 90s deconstruction of horror, meant to be a dime a dozen to really push that anyone could be the killer.
There's just no gothic horror or gilded age connection to be made, and I fear that will continue with other collabs.

[rare dirge]

Yeah unless the colab happens to be with something that takes place in the same time period or something

But that’s just how Colabs would be in hunt

[spiral mica]

When their post said "personalities" I wonder if that means we'll get twitch streamers as hunters

Like RachtaZ with a gold mask

[orchid tangle]

we just missed getting the drdisrespect themed romero 😤

[spiral mica]

Aliens vs Predators just removed their Dr Disrespect skin

[raw gust]

I assume it was for the predators?

[orchid tangle]

idk why they made that skin in the first place, I thought it was a fucking mod edit when I first saw it

[spiral mica]

Yeah...

[raw gust]

Wait, actually?

[spiral mica]

Well yeah duh why else would they remove it?

[raw gust]

This is what they meant with thematic crossovers

[spiral mica]

But anyways yeah I think it's a possibility we'll get streamers as hunters

HazmatFTW hunter would kinda go hard

[orchid tangle]

crytek should do a huuge skin I wanna see how the community reacts to that

[raw gust]

Me too. I was actually going to bring up Dr. disrespect in a cowboy outfit in my original post, but thought it was in poor taste

[spiral mica]

Maybe they'll give us a femboy with a martini rifle skin

[orchid tangle]

henry 1860 😡 😡 😡

I'd still be annoyed though

I'll tell them they're appropriating my culture or something

[spiral mica]

Scandinavian people could say the viking hunters are cultural appropriation

They pretty much are not as bad as For honor vikings but still a very poor depiction of what a viking would've been

[orchid tangle]

I honestly don't know what a historically accurate viking looks like but everytime I saw images of like shirtless dudes with tattoos or horned helmets I just knew in my head it was fake

the only viking fact I know from passing conversation is they didn't wear breastplates

so I'm kinda an expert

[high stone]

I think they’ve lost the grounded gothic horror/guilded age focus, it’s kind of just Netflix and Slipknot spooky costumes now. But there’s no reason they can’t go back!!

[orchid tangle]

I mean the only reason I don't applaud them on the rest of the outfit it it's a duster with a hat and a revolver on the belt

I can find you th at in every american 1800s media everr

I'm thankful they didn't just put him in a black robe but it wasn't that deep of a thought process

[high stone]

I’ve actually got a drawing for that 😎

[noble scarab]

Don’t forget the knife that’s not even secured in its sheath

2 steps off his porch that thing falls out and impales his leg

[spiral mica]

Epic

I'd love to see it if you're able

[high stone]

I’ll post up in the Fan art channel soon!

[tired spear]

nice

[granite shard]

show me his face you cowards

[lucid anvil]

I like that the face is smudged. I’ve not read all the phantoms lore, but that looks deliberate and it gives me the impression he is responsible. Making a break with his old life and such. I should give it another read

[tired spear]

mhm

[rotund ferry]

💀💀💀 NOOOOOO, NOT THE BEE

[rotund ferry]

Leroux Goodman

[tired spear]

Oh lmao yes this is uncanny

[regal wolf]

great gatsby apart of hunt lore now?

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[acoustic island]

wait guys is nehemiah possessed by the mask or is that up to interpretation that it could be mental illness as well?

[real cedar]

It's leaning heavily into the idea that the mask is cursed. Further dev explanations also highlight that, but it could be interpreted that he was already mad, and was susceptible to it.

"our version of Ghost Face tells a historic tale of the legendary mask throughout history. The centuries-old mask was passed down from generation to generation, inspiring bloody killing sprees throughout history. And in the 1890s, it found its way to Louisianna in the hands of a madman, driven to murderous frenzy by its foul whispers. "

[faint nimbus]

I don’t know if this has any lore relevance but in his intro animation harvest midnight uses reapers arm to stab the pumpkin maybe he has some ties to lynch

[acoustic island]

oh ok thank you, so likely a mixture of both? because it also says he was a widower and since then has been in isolation which means the guy was probably severely depressed due to grief, cabin fever could've made it worse? (then's the question yes the mask is supernatural, but how much influence does it actually have?)

[real cedar]

Now that would be a deep cut connection. I'd love if the creators have that much care and it wasn't just a coincidence.

[acoustic island]

i need to read more into lynch still new to the lore

[real cedar]

You can check out the compendium in the pinned messages in this channel, there's a section that links together all of Lynch's appearances and mentions.

[acoustic island]

cool i will do now

[deft storm]

it's a curse alright (on the game)

[acoustic island]

do you think we will ever get the origins of the curse or not?

[deft storm]

I would guess the curse comes from the game's new Director, Scott Lussier, but that's just a hunch

[raw gust]

I doubt that'll we'll get more lore on licensed characters than whatever they release with to be honest

I suppose it depends on what the licensing agreement actually looks like

[real cedar]

If the story continues (big If) these sorts of collab characters will never be featured in it. It's no different than some of the other weirdo skins like Santa

[raw gust]

If it's permissive they might do more but otherwise probably not if they need renegotiate with the rights holder every time

[acoustic island]

i know but maybe with ghostface it's different because of fun world they give so much freedom to ppl who get licensing to the mask but we shall see

for example danny johnson (ghostface from dead by daylight) got a bucket tonne of lore, an entire tome based around him later down the line after his release

[raw gust]

It's certainly possible then, assuming they actually continue with the lore in this game at all

[acoustic island]

yeah that's true i hope they dio

do*

[real cedar]

DBD's whole theme is slashers and horror icons so it makes sense to focus and expand on them. Hunt is really different, they've ignored characters that don't fit with the story but got released anyway. Like Headsman has never been brought up since he dropped 3 or so years ago.

[granite shard]

I’d be annoyed if crossover characters got more focus than the original characters in the story

[acoustic island]

yeah that's very true

[acoustic island]

nehemiah's kind of a blend of both though, the mask isn't original the character is

[granite shard]

The entire reason his character was made was for the crossover

Like the sort of cursed mask thing isn’t anything that super goes along with any of the other lore we have and there’s so many legendary hunters who have been waiting on any sort of story crumbs

[acoustic island]

yh valid point, i just want them to expand on eerything not just ghostface bc what i've read is rlly interesting

[granite shard]

I just would rather them never address him again in the story full stop

[deft storm]

yup

[noble scarab]

They barely address most dlc hunters so we can only hope

And that was before the removal of the lore

[granite shard]

Or when they do, sometimes it’s to add a surprise twin brother to a story that was previously just about a woman and her mother 🙃

[deft storm]

I'd love it if he gets "bugged" and removed from the game

[noble scarab]

They didn’t even finish her story, fucking chary killed finch

And also the nonsense crossbow skin in this battle pass that clearly has the same theme as the aforementioned brothers gear. Has nothing to do with him.

There’s gotta be a disconnect between the team that writes the skin blurbs and the designers

[deft storm]

that seems to keep happening where gear is split from the set that it was clearly a part of... hopefully it's some simple explanation, like the model wasn't completed in time for the skin pack release

but....

[raw gust]

There's also that mosin skin they posted on twitter and then took down that's styled the same as the trappers and the last battle pass

[noble scarab]

A redneck-ified crossbow covered in owl feathers and some voynich would be been so much better suited for this event

His lemat carbine skin from devils moon is one of my favorite skins

[deft storm]

it's like putting one action figure's accessories in the box of another figure, to pressure you into buying both....not cool

[noble scarab]

We’re also missing a bear trap skin too that was in one of the teasers

[real cedar]

and the recent bloody red: wolf promo on twitter had a new spear skin

[rotund ferry]

Ok I got something to ask

The butcher hunter is dead right?

[real cedar]

It sure seemed that way in Tide of Desolation but then in Scorched Earth Hayali joined up with two demented hunters he called "Bee" and "Pig", the latter crawled around on all fours sniffing for clues just like Butcher's Cleaver was described as doing.

[noble scarab]

I think hayali also mentions that these 2 hunters were given a second chance by their master

[zenith perch]

Mhm

[granite shard]

I think there was likely a plan for it

It just sucks that we might not ever be able to see it

[rotund ferry]

Are they like dead?

[noble scarab]

Well the butchers cleaver got eaten by beetles with all the demented watching, then the beekeeper got blown up or subsumed into some massive land of the dead beetle thing

Also Reddit lore moment

[real cedar]

It seems fair to assume Beekeeper survived since she wrote down what happened

[deft ravine]

https://x.com/i/status/1850518388625338560
Are we going to continue accepting this?

Rolmit 🌐 (@jorgerolmit) on X

@HuntShowdown @Crytek BUY NEW SERVERS, THIS GAME IS HORRIBLE , i have 4000h and is the worst season of hunt showdown.

Twitter · Oct 27, 2024, 12:42 PM

[tall lava]

Sir this is #lore-discussion

[blissful canyon]

I was playing on the new map and just realized there’s a whole ass city not far away, perfectly intact and normal, what’s up with that 💀😭

[native marlin]

people gotta eep somewhere

[rare dirge]

Yeah I saw this like the day the map came out but I just chose not to question it

It still off puts me passing by gasworks though

[granite shard]

I think the explanation for now is the corruption was enabled by specific things in mammon’s gulch and it can’t really exist elsewhere rn

Like it’s zones of corruption where the sculptor has influence, outside of them it’s prob still worse than usual, but functional

It would be cool to see things expand to places like that town tho

[noble scarab]

Corruption aside anyone from town could walk outside and watch a hive or meathead just stroll by

Seems like that’s something that wouldn’t go unnoticed

[granite shard]

I think it’s possible there were active suppression measures in place by people like the backers

[raw gust]

Man, the whole backers storyline would have made a great thematic backing for bounty clash

Also, it should have been called Bounty Showdown, so we'd have both Hunt and Showdown in the game

[blissful canyon]

I know it might be kinda cool to have a city map like that

[rare dirge]

No one here would happen to have a random screenshot of the Mounties gloves? (Front and back) I’m not at home but I’m trying to remember the symbol that’s on the bottom part of the gloves

[manic lichen]

Well, considering how Mammon's Gulch has multiple big industries from raw mineral extraction to food production, that city is basically fucked now from an economical standpoint.

[real cedar]

I was going to go grab shooting range screenshots but I happened to come across a dead mountie so here you go.

[rare dirge]

Perfect thank you so much

[spiral mica]

I'm assuming the federal government is involved in some way or another when it comes to quarantine

[amber harbor]

Bounty clash urban map, instead of a lair its the high stakes poker parlor of the benefactor, along with a couple of city blocks

Or a ferry/Delphine map

[lucid anvil]

I think I recall finding some hasty barricades in the first few days of gulch. It’s hard to tell exactly when the map is set. And while most of the town looks well maintained, some of the grain silos look a little run down. But I suppose that could be written off as reused assets… Hm.

Say, anybody here know if the time of day on mammons changes the coal in the mines? Near the central cache I seem to remember visiting and seeing all the coal veins burnt out…. Maybe it’s set at a different point?

I’m thinking if it is set at a later point, it might be worth seeing if there are more barricades than at daytime. Coal veins take a while to finish burning, if I recall correctly.

[lucid anvil]

I would be curious to see how they do urban warfare.

[real cedar]

The coal veins stop burning outside of events

[lucid anvil]

Ahhh, that’ll be it. I knew it was something like that, but I must’ve misremembered.

[blissful canyon]

Where would I start if I really wanted to get into the lore/story of hunt

[lucid anvil]

Best thing would be the lore compendium. It’s in the pinned messages for this channel!

If you want something more specific to start with, I would go for “as bad as they seem”. That’s what I started with.

[real dove]

#lore-discussion

There's a few lore youtubers out there as well

But asking what questions you may have in there :)

[lucid anvil]

Alpaaaaa
We are already in lore discussion :3

[real dove]

im

dum

and very very tired

https://tenor.com/view/kid-baby-child-girl-tired-gif-16635701

but also lol

[lucid anvil]

XD
Go sleeep!

Or don’t! I mean, I’m not your mum!

[real dove]

im at work :(

will when im home later tho :)

[granite shard]

gg bestie

proud of you

[real dove]

https://tenor.com/view/all-good-face-down-lying-thumbs-up-jaze-cinema-gif-10200328

[high stone]

Maybe a weird question, but do any of you guys know which trailer has the part with Monroe running through the swamp?

I can’t find it anywhere

[noble scarab]

its the dark sight trailer

the one with the 1st version of its dark in new orleans

[real cedar]

https://youtu.be/S19T_j1CFSQ?feature=shared&t=56

[noble scarab]

still probably the best trailer crytek has made

i miss desalle

[spiral mica]

I really like the Frau Perchta trailer

and I'm biased because I also really like Reptilian trailer

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-wetlands-now-you-see-me-now-you-dont-hide-find-me-gif-3389023

[granite shard]

Hayali’s trailer I think is my favorite

His voice actor just really makes it

[spiral mica]

I forget was his VA the same in the trailer as it was in Sorched Earth?

[granite shard]

Yes

[high stone]

Thanks Tib!

[high stone]

Ty!

[high stone]

That dark sight trailer is very stylish

I think The Committed and Prodigal Daughter’s trailers are in the top few

[green pollen]

if this the next dlc im gonna loose my shit

[spiral mica]

rattlesnake jake would go hard

https://tenor.com/view/rango-jake-snake-gif-19181827

[subtle owl]

I need rango as a dlc hunter im begging

[real dove]

If they made a character based on rsj and hired the actor to do lines, I'd be totally okay

[real cedar]

Russel 'Snakeskin' Chambers skin WHEN?

[real dove]

Fr

Wearing like, snakeskin stuff and with the mustache and low voice and hat and yeah fam

FAN SERVICE RATTLESNAKEJAKE HUNTER WHEN

And rango

I had the Rango crew in my hunt DND game

Cause it was funny

They were all druids that could shapeshift into the Rango forms

[worthy abyss]

Does anyone ever think about the town behind the Gasworks?

[manic lichen]

I think of how fucked they are as:

• They don't have gas anymore.
• They don't have livestock supplier anymore.
• They don't have a railyard anymore.
• They don't have 13 industries to provide jobs anymore.

[worthy abyss]

Yeah. I realized that also.
According to those camouflaged weapon skins there were mobs from the city coming there to kill the undead. Whatever happened during/after that didn’t fix it, because in rode the AHA with their merry gang of gothic bitches and infighting

[manic lichen]

Classsic AHA

[granite shard]

Honestly the gameplay/story gap between maps interests me

Bc by at least June 1895 people were still actively living in DeSalle

Enough for lulu and sofia to have their shootout in front of the saloon

[worthy abyss]

I have a feeling that there are still some inhabitants sticking it out here and there after the Corruption spreads, especially since you have to take into account the broken windows, dead hunters, looted ammo boxes, etc.

Those things don’t just fix themselves after each match, they have to be repaired/replenished/buried

[manic lichen]

I don't think it is really cannon that the maps are refilled between matches.
Just one of those "video game" convention that is needed to be taken in a non-linear gameplay experience.

[zenith perch]

I think for gameplay there isn't people around but hunters, but in actuality there would still be people holding up somewhere

If the corruption doesn't kill them

[spiral mica]

Same

The shrewd savior skin for the krag talks about how people living in mammom's gulch attempted to fight back against the corruption

[zenith perch]

Lore is not on the road map currently, David is on a stream rn

[granite shard]

(::::

[zenith perch]

That fucking sucks, incase hoping that it would be at least on the road map

[granite shard]

super frustrating, especially with the way the community has really spoken up about wanting the return of the library

who's stream is he on/what has he said?

[zenith perch]

Denlay

Delanay

Well

I hope that now they're aware of it maybe it could be put onto the roadmap

[granite shard]

(:::: in five years we'll get lore again

[zenith perch]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451

Gotta stay positive:]

[granite shard]

did you happen to get a clip of the moment? I'm at work so I can't look at twitch stuff on my computer lol

[earnest jungle]

Welp it’s been a good run

[raw gust]

Close up the channel I guess

[zenith perch]

No

[granite shard]

All good! I’ll take a look when I’m home

it's so frustrating bc I knew this was coming from the moment they announced they removed the book of weapons but like

it still doesn't suck any less

[zenith perch]

Yeah

[granite shard]

and without this narrative backbone, skins are gonna get more and more far fetched

[zenith perch]

I just hope with all the feedback they add it back in eventually

[granite shard]

it just really feels like fifield looked at all of the things abt hunt that made it unique and started walking them back to make the game more palatable for the standard gamer

and maybe he's not the one making these choices, but these big changes have happened under his direction

[spiral mica]

How disappointing but I expected as much

All I'm looking forward to now is a potential snow condition for mammon's gulch

[zenith perch]

Honestly, part of me can kinda understand it I guess. I have a big group of friends that play hunt and I'm the only one that gives a shit about the lore

[granite shard]

they did very little to market it, even inside of events, and it was presented in a very hard to follow/find format

[spiral mica]

I've said it before too but there's definitely not as much of an audience for the lore. People I play with are surprised to find that I actually pay attention to it in the first place.

[granite shard]

like all they needed to do was market the event lore more, add gameplay related items to the tiers in the BP lore was on, and then make the book of weapons stories easier to find

like when looking at the mountain man, have something go "learn more about him by using the springfield rifle"

[zenith perch]

At least tier 2 and 3 hunters are coming back

[spiral mica]

That'll be nice

[granite shard]

like not everyone is going to be insane about the lore enough to come onto discord and discuss it, but people like learning about the characters they play

it's just. frustrating

[spiral mica]

I've always liked the idea that your tier 1 slowly progresses to a tier 3 the more success they have in the hunt

[zenith perch]

Past BPs with mythic stuff isn't coming back

Im never getting Shrike

[granite shard]

yeah I belive they've said that mythic skins aren't returning

[spiral mica]

Pretty sure that was known

[granite shard]

literally the only skin tier that actually means something lol

everything else is super arbitrary, but at least mythic communicates something of value

[zenith perch]

I heard somewhere they were explore maybe bringing stuff back

[spiral mica]

That does beg the question if other battlepass stuff that isn't mythic tier will ever make a return

[granite shard]

probably

[zenith perch]

He said maybe

[granite shard]

that's likely the entire point of the rarity system

beyond pricing

[spiral mica]

This time around there are no mythic weapon skins in the battlepass only hunter skins in harvest of ghosts are mythic tier

I believe last event didn't have any mythic weapon skins either just as high as legendary tier

[zenith perch]

The Egyptian stuff was

The bow

Hive bomb

And antidote shot

[spiral mica]

I see

[granite shard]

aka the only good skins in the bp

lmao

[spiral mica]

Even though they didn't mention questline stuff I'm assuming because it's mythic it also won't return.

Questlines have always been weird though because the Billy story stuff eventually made a return as twitch drops

[granite shard]

billy story started as a twitch drop hunter

[spiral mica]

Really? I was told he started as a questline

[granite shard]

he was the first twitch drop hunter

[manic lichen]

Nothing should be a timed exclusive, simple as 😌✨
Want something, pay the money, get shit, simple as

[granite shard]

he had a questline when they were experimenting with them, but the only questline hunters that have remained as exclusives were the gator ones

[spiral mica]

See I'd agree with that but then that would enable them to put a price of $20 on plague doctor as a single hunter

[granite shard]

that's better than FOMO

[spiral mica]

Well it pleases me that my gators stay special

[granite shard]

timed exclusives utilize FOMO to keep engagement up

[spiral mica]

That's how they get their concurrent player base so high during these events

[granite shard]

if I had it my way, all hunters would be available for anyone to buy like six months-one year after their event

[spiral mica]

Bounty clash is a time exclusive game mode but I have a feeling that they might introduce it as a permanent addition

Or at least I hope

[granite shard]

okay, that's different from exclusive skins though

exclusve skins are why there were overwatch accounts with pink mercy selling for like $1k

[spiral mica]

Well yeah but time exclusive stuff in general would still help keep the game populated

[manic lichen]

That is better than FOMO.
Rather have to save up 20 to buy a Hunter than being cohered to spend 30 on three hunters I might not truly want.

Except it doesn't, steam charts shows that Hunt is bleeding players every since they upped the events

[spiral mica]

Eh from what I've heard bounty clash has brought in plenty of new players but the biggest complaints I see is about the stability of the servers and being unable to reconnect to a match

And of course the cursor bug that's been in the game since August

[worthy abyss]

Gimme Faultless and we’re square

[manic lichen]

The... the data is easily available... Like this ain't about what we hear.

[worthy abyss]

Correction: Tomahawk and Faultless

[spiral mica]

Bring back Tomahawk too

[rotund ferry]

Question any now lore on the coal bearer?

[granite shard]

nope

[real dove]

No lore on anything now :)

[spiral mica]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-sad-depression-gif-24658304

a chance of rain with no rotjaw in sight

[orchid tangle]

the- erm- aim for us is to- uh- enrich the narrative and weave new threads into the uhm- ever-evolving mythos of Hunt in a whole new way!

[raw gust]

through DLC announcements

Which are now the primary source of hunt lore

[granite shard]

it's just such a shame man, like there was so much work put into this and so many people cared about the lore

like even people who don't care enough to go into this channel still have talked on the reddit abt missing the library, or wanting to read the hunter lore in game

sucks seeing it just wiped like this, and the announcement that there's no lore on the roadmap being in a random stream just kinda makes it sting more :/

I just feel bad for the writers

[faint nimbus]

No lore, no returning battle pass items, game in a funky state hunt got me feeling like I do with apex legends right now

[loud steeple]

Well they’re trying to push it as a mainstream shooter

There’s no significant lore in those

Also adding shitty pop culture reference skins

It’s not was I started playing for

Game is heading in completely the wrong direction

[spiral mica]

"seamlessly!" and "introduce new personalities!"

I'm genuinely curious what twitch streamer they'll decide to make into a hunter first

[real cedar]

Huuge

[spiral mica]

isn't RachtaZ just the phantom with a golden mask?

[orchid tangle]

they'd probably get in contact and work with him on what he'd want

[spiral mica]

like they do with the weapon skins yeah

[raw gust]

They're trying to grow the audience so it probably won't even be a hubt streamer

[orchid tangle]

I just think it's a bit different when it coems to hunters

in a perfect world we wont get it at all

[spiral mica]

I think it's definitely coming

I'm not sure what else they could mean by "personalities"

[raw gust]

They wouldn't word it that way if it wasn't on the table

[spiral mica]

when they reference IPs they're obviously talking about other stuff like Ghostface

but personalities could really be anything

and I'm not necessarily saying I'd want it but my curiosity is definitely peaked on what they could do

[faint nimbus]

Personalities means we’re getting dev hunters we already have Santa fi field now we need a Denis hunter

[raw gust]

US presidental race DLC

(forces you to actually vote)

[spiral mica]

and we've already got twitch partnered skins so actual twitch streamers as hunter skins is just the next step to take

[faint nimbus]

I would say twitch streamers becoming hunters is too far but at this point anything goes

[spiral mica]

a Theodore Roosevelt skin would be cool ngl

[raw gust]

I suppose he'd fit better than ghostface

[spiral mica]

Robin Williams portrayal of Theodore Roosevelt in the movie Night at the Museum would've fit better than ghostface

[faint nimbus]

Hunt gameplay always got me sad now every other part of hunt got me sad

[spiral mica]

well as the old saying goes

hunt giveth hunt taketh

[faint nimbus]

when will hunt giveth

[spiral mica]

thy only giveth occasionally

[faint nimbus]

Hunt o hunt why does thou taketh so

[spiral mica]

to giveth or not to giveth

this is the question we giveth to you o hunt

doth thou giveth an answer o hunt?

or thou canst?

sorry my Shakespearean is rusty

[faint nimbus]

The conformation of battle passe skins not returning has got me in a wack mindset I almost caught myself looking up hunt accounts for sale like I do with apex and tf2 not for boosting but just for fomo of missed items

[spiral mica]

I feel bad for people that missed the tide events

I missed the majority of the serpent moon event and anything before it I completely missed

but everything after that I've managed to get

[faint nimbus]

the tides were the best time to play hunt

[spiral mica]

I took a little break after tide of corruption but I never finished the bonus tier so I missed out on that weapon charm

unfortunately it was one of the cooler ones too but It's only a weapon charm so I'm willing to forget about it

[faint nimbus]

There’s also the point that non mythic bp items can come back so almost anything from scorched earth or harvest of ghost will come back so why did they make older ones all mythic

Tides trilogy imo was easier to follow than the moon trilogy

[spiral mica]

well because harvest of ghosts doesn't have any mythic weapon skins I'd say anybody that misses out on it should be able to get them again

but who really knows

[faint nimbus]

it just makes me wonder why they didn’t do that with the other bp’s

It wasn’t even a year ago that they happened

well it was a year…. But you get what I mean it was not too long ago

[spiral mica]

I'm assuming anything battlepass related and anything with the mythic rarity is actually gone for good but anything like twitch drops or holiday event stuff like Skinflint and Devil's advocate will continue to return

[faint nimbus]

I think I understand all those people asking for the plague doctor now

[spiral mica]

yeah he's never coming back along with the Shrike bomb lance skin

which is a bummer because I didn't really start playing hunt until 2022

I think a lot of people really started playing hunt when Rotjaw came out anyways

[faint nimbus]

again I just wonder what the reasoning is other than player engagement with limited time rewards

Theoretically could they make more money if they sold those old skins everyone wants? Would it break some internal agreement or policy they have?

[spiral mica]

I'm kind of wondering that myself

like I can sort of understand it because they want stuff to be special maybe?

[faint nimbus]

but there’s also such a low amount of people with those “special” items it DOSENT make sense to me to gatekeep them

I can name on my finger the amount of people who bought the blood bond store hunter from light the shadow

[spiral mica]

I'm wondering if hunters like Cardinal rain and Fang shearer are ever going to come back. I don't know if they're mythic or not and I know they were only available during tide of shadows and haven't made a return since then.

[loud steeple]

I have most of the event exclusives and I really don’t care if they bring them back

[faint nimbus]

I have them and I can confirm they are mythic but then later event bb hunters like Waldman and scarecrow aren’t

what are the rules?

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-the-rules-iasip-gif-27514763

[spiral mica]

neither are Corvid or Brood

[loud steeple]

Plague doc was before my time on this game but I remember people that had him saying they would quit if they brought him back. I’ll never understand why people are so petty about owning cosmetics

[zenith perch]

I'm desperate for the Shrike skin

[spiral mica]

I guess by that standard Cardinal rain and Fang shearer are extra special because they're mythic bb hunters from an event specific time

[faint nimbus]

And now with rarities there’s something they can do to make those items feel special make the original run of skins stay mythic but if they re-release lower the rarity

[spiral mica]

whereas hunters like scaled ward and skinned are extra special because they're mythic questline hunters from a specific time

now I'm fortunate enough to own both of them

[real cedar]

It seems like Crytek has a hard rule that the things they advertise as exclusive have to stay exclusive. There's a little confusion on that since the first halloween and christmas skins seemed exclusive but then turned out not to be, though As the Crow Flies from around the same time is exclusive.

[spiral mica]

I cannot miss out on anything gator related

[faint nimbus]

I wish other company’s could do the one good thing Bethesda does and just let you buy a skin you missed if you email them and have enough money in your account

[faint nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/gator-brush-gif-22026233

[loud steeple]

Yeah but the rarities are fucking stupid in my opinion. Who cares what color background an item has. I only care what it looks like in game

[spiral mica]

I'm going to have to make a list of everything that I know is exclusive at this time and everything that isn't exclusive