lore-discussion

[rare dirge]

Well damn that sucks big time

[granite shard]

Who knows man

It’s a spit in the face to all of the people who’ve put work into the game

Makes me sad :/

[tulip kindle]

A lot of franchises spit in the faces of those who made the mistake of actually caring about their universe these days

[rare dirge]

Hopefully this is just a phase and they will bring it back in the future I seriously don’t think they would just throw all that lore out for no reason

[noble scarab]

I know hazmat got to talk to the old devs and directors at one point, wonder how they feel

[tulip kindle]

I wish they added Hazmat instead of Ghost Face

[rare dirge]

As much as the ghostface thing doesn’t make much sense I still think it’s a fun addition to the game and at least they didn’t do any time travel shenanigans and made something new out of it

That’s how I feel personally (I just think the hunter looks cool)

[real cedar]

Well, while the door's wide open anyway... throw him in

[noble scarab]

Let Hazmat narrate a trailer!

[real dove]

Nah, i want grinch

give me christmas grinch skin

lemme blend in to all the bushes

#grinchheadsmanissue2024

[real cedar]

There is now a non-zero percent chance of that happening this christmas

[noble scarab]

He’s as good as any

[real dove]

!jumbo

[noble scarab]

We’ve run low on folklore based Christmas skins

We could get grylla but then people would just ask if she’s a propane or charcoal grylla

[real cedar]

Jack Frost is possible, he was a literary character in the 19th century.
Though an avatar of winter is pretty generic

[tulip kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-boo-gif-1281926785517906930

[noble scarab]

We could get an elf

[real dove]

gotta get them grylla tactics in

smh

[noble scarab]

A nice and jolly elf, that happens to like murder

[real dove]

Need to stop watching once upon a witchlight

[rare dirge]

Yeah but more options that fit into the theme of hunt is welcome imo

[real dove]

yeah

[rare dirge]

Tiered hunters are just generic people and they still got charm

[real dove]

I'd be cool with jack frost hunter

not that we need any more men

[tulip kindle]

Snow Miser hunter

[ember halo]

Alright guys, I'm sure you were cooking all day. Hit me with the ghost face lore.

[orchid tangle]

he found a mask, and it made him KINDA CRAZY 🖐️

now he MURDERS people

[real cedar]

Tomtenisse themed hunter could work

[rare dirge]

If they got ghost face I’m sure they could make Jack Frost female

If anything I’d rather that

[orchid tangle]

she has to still be named jack frost though

thats required

[granite shard]

I feel like the like. Need to make endless seasonal skins for Halloween and Christmas is also dumb

[real cedar]

If you do that then you just have the DC character

[rare dirge]

Yeah

[granite shard]

We got a couple good Halloween and Christmas skins, we don’t need to milk it dry

[noble scarab]

I’d love a good rendition of some of the Yule lads

[tulip kindle]

Originally called Peanut Eyed Ghost or Weeping-Ghost, the Ghost Face mask first appeared as part of the 1991 Fun World mask line called Fantastic Faces. It wasn't until the hit film Scream released in 1996 that he was called Ghost Face.

[granite shard]

God. What if our next hunter is fucking Batman

[real dove]

Jaquline Frost

[granite shard]

1890s Batman

[real dove]

ehehehe

[rare dirge]

Also wasn’t this update positive on female to male hunters?

2 males 3 females?

[real dove]

wut

i gues

no

[noble scarab]

Does it count if it’s the same lady twice?

[real dove]

pumpkin kendo seer hood

if you're doing that, pumpkin is 3 men

[rare dirge]

Oh wait I forgot his 3 outfits are separate

And not like the viper

Odd

[noble scarab]

2 ladies total this go round

[real dove]

kendo pumpkin pumkin pumpkin / seer hood hood

[real cedar]

Viper is also separate now, they axed the progression system in the UI

[real dove]

Yeah

[rare dirge]

Wait fr?

[real dove]

I made a spreadsheet earlier

[noble scarab]

All of the double skins are separate

[real cedar]

Yup, you just see four VIpers standing in a row now

[noble scarab]

The blood bonds one, the perchtas

[rare dirge]

Oh damn alright I wasn’t aware of that one either

Odd choice imo

[noble scarab]

And worse they’re not even in the same line, seems random

[real dove]

I know tech some are NB and dont belong

[noble scarab]

It’s a struggle to find the hunter I actually want in that damn list

[real dove]

but was created for someone not knowing the lore and just looking at the models

+1 for male 2024 now :)

[rare dirge]

Damn I thought they was actually going positive on female hunters this update

Bless us with a female Mountie please crytek 🙏🙏🙏

[real cedar]

Overall the ratio is 62.5-37.5% Men/women (89-54) including the refurbished Tier 1-3 rookie hunters. I don't think they plan to reach 50-50 ever for market data reasons.

[real dove]

sur

e

[noble scarab]

Back to the winter skins, a Scottish Cailleach would be amazing

[real dove]

but comeone and tell me that doesnt look bad

[real dove]

yes

one based on a banshee would be cool

woman in white

guess more halloween tho

[rare dirge]

I am very curious why they don’t do a 50/50 someone a while ago suggested they might get more sales on male hunters but I do really wanna know the stats for myself

[noble scarab]

La llorona (spelling) kinda covers the banshee, but I don’t think crytek remembers that she exists beyond her one appearance as a infernal member

[real cedar]

Idk the stats for Hunt but in other areas where a choice is given like the recent Assassin's Creed games, the split is pretty consistently 80/20 for the male character. It's the majority of the game's demographic after all.

[rare dirge]

I guess that’s true but I know that I personally pick female in games that give me the option despite being male

In legendary hunter terms I can’t imagine many people picking based on the gender of the hunter but instead how they actually look

[orchid tangle]

I usually pick female if I can't play a young male, lots of games with character creation have issues with not being able to make a male that looks under the age of 30

[noble scarab]

I like when the first person model looks good and isn’t fucking broken since release (looking at rednecks daughter and that one twitch drop guy) but i also like to know that the whole model is good, and its a bonus when their lore is fun and engaging

[real cedar]

Most of my picks are men but prodigal, prescient, and brood are really good skins

[real dove]

I would love the stats for most bought dlc/hunter and most played hubters

[rare dirge]

I really want those stats too

I bet reaper is up there for sure

[real dove]

Like, folks LOVE the hood

[noble scarab]

There would be bias for older vs newer skins

[real dove]

I see 1-4 hoods per match rn

[warm quartz]

Do they?

[real cedar]

I think I saw a most played hunter somewhere, let me go check

[real dove]

I don't see that for other dlcs

[noble scarab]

You’d have to pick x time frame

[warm quartz]

I'm not playing because of all the bugs

And the UI

[real dove]

Nah, even a fresh dlc I don't see that

[warm quartz]

Most of my friends dropped the game when UI changed

[real dove]

Could be limited pool

And sure, give it a few months and we will see

[manic lichen]

Honestly think it is less malicious and just one of those "blind biases" of creation.

[real dove]

I hope it doesn't change cause hood glows like a damn light in the bushes

[rare dirge]

Yeah I highly doubt it’s because they hate female hunters but I feel like so many of these new hunters would be just as cool if they were females so it’s odd that they keep the split far

Some hunters you probably couldn’t switch but I can’t imagine hunters like the silver spur would be unpopular just for being female

[noble scarab]

I think a female silver spur would just kinda be marshal brewer

[real cedar]

Marshal brewer + witch hunter

[rare dirge]

LOL yeah i guess but you get my point

It doesn’t seem like a hunter being female or male makes or breaks it so why not do it? Thats what I’m tryna say it’s also why I’m really curious on the stats too

[real cedar]

Damn, I couldn't find it but I know for sure there was somewhere that had a list of statistics for a time period. Reaper and Felis were in the top 3 most popular skins at that point and Mosin+Sparks Pistol was a loadout that got the most wins or kills. Either a 2022 wrapup tweet or a post-Devil's Moon statistics image.

[orchid tangle]

they should readd reaper tanking your FPS

[rare dirge]

They should do an updated one of those

[raw gust]

tbh I think a lot of skins still do. Compare bounty hunt and soul survivor performance

[noble scarab]

That was back when pacts were tied to hunters

So I bet that skewed it a bit too

I forget which pacts were broken during devils moon

[rare dirge]

That is true I’m sure that did skew things a bit

[noble scarab]

Not lunar

[rare dirge]

Grounded

Shadow death cheat solo necro my beloved

[noble scarab]

That was perma death cheat too

It was nice

Broken, but nice

[rare dirge]

And 5 second pre nerf solo necro

And pre nerf shadow

It was so busted

[noble scarab]

What about shadow was nerfed?

It still stops ai from seeing you

[rare dirge]

It’s a burn trait now or whatever

I haven’t found it in so long anyways

[noble scarab]

A few matches ago I killed 3 meatheads and each shat out a scarce or burn trait

It was wild

[rare dirge]

Yeah but even if you find shadow you die once and you lose it

It’s lame

[granite shard]

I think it was a fifth anniversary thing

[noble scarab]

I think it’s pretty fair, especially now that the similar traits work the same way

[granite shard]

Shadow’s a scarce trait now though?

Like it was originally a burn and is now scarce

If it’s disappearing that’s probs a bug

[rare dirge]

It’s both no?

A burn trait that is scarce

[noble scarab]

Plus I feel like you die and you’re just burnt, so no recovering your traits

[rare dirge]

Well even if you don’t get burnt if you get downed and revived you lose it still

[real cedar]

Nope, just scarce. You keep it until you lose the hunter

[rare dirge]

Being fr?

[granite shard]

No it should just be a scarce trait

[rare dirge]

How long has this been a thing

[granite shard]

Shadow, shadow leap, and berserker are scarce traits

Since the engine update

[rare dirge]

…

I’m gonna blow up into a million tiny pieces

[noble scarab]

Berserker since this patch I think

Because it was a pact trait before

[rare dirge]

Clearly I’m missing a lot of information

Like 3rd time today lore discussion filled me in on something

[real cedar]

Once you're dedicated to the lore, learning the mechanical lore just comes easily

[tulip kindle]

https://x.com/HuntShowdown/status/1610697704081866754?t=Oqv59FbZ7brYZ0IBLjXLUg&s=19
All I could find was this

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown) on X

#Hunt2022Recap Curious to know which Legendary Hunters terrified the bayou the most? 👀

2022's deadliest Legendary Hunters are non other than The Reaper, The Viper and The Infected!

Who's your favorite Legendary Hunter? 🖤

Twitter · Jan 4, 2023, 6:00 PM

[rare dirge]

Oh hey look at that someone found it

[real cedar]

Yeah that must've been one of the two I saw and I got em mixed up

[granite shard]

There was something w felis

[rare dirge]

The viper doesn’t seem right

[granite shard]

Bc I do remember felis and the reaper getting linked up as popular stuff

[real cedar]

Crazy that Reaper was one of the deadliest of 2022 when he came out in the last 40 days of the year

[rare dirge]

Yeah he was crazy popular

Still is from what I seen

[noble scarab]

He was one of the “blend in” skins, minus his mask

[real cedar]

Unless they're only counting hunters that came out in 2022?

[rare dirge]

They probably are if the viper is up there

[real cedar]

and then sampling from December 2022 only so they all have a base chance

[tulip kindle]

He's called Reaper of course he's deadly

[noble scarab]

That’s still just the hunters with the most kills, not the necessarily the most used

[granite shard]

That would make sense

[noble scarab]

General chat is still mostly “well there’s zombies so ghost face fits”

[real cedar]

I try to preach verisimilitude but it falls on deaf ears 😔

[noble scarab]

I almost don’t dare to check the hunt subreddit

[granite shard]

The hunt subreddit is abt as angry and negative as one would expect it to be

[real cedar]

2k likes on "Hunt's identity is dead"

[rare dirge]

I don’t envy the Reddit mods

[real cedar]

and then 250+ likes on comments saying "Oh just like the last 20 times hunt has died?"

[rare dirge]

I’m scared to look there

[raw gust]

The hunt subreddit has always had a lot of valid complaints... They just have every other possible complaint too

[rare dirge]

You guys remember when the beetle was announced? I still get flashbacks to that

[noble scarab]

thing exists
Reddit: unspeakable rage

[real cedar]

I only have flashbacks to the 50 times people have referenced the beetle annoucment being bad

I don't believe the hype

[rare dirge]

Hunt general hasn’t been able to have that slow mode removed for so long because of the UI update and now ghostface 😔😔

Idk it was the first big “controversy” (using that in loose terms here) I experienced here

I think about it a lot

[granite shard]

I usually think that like

The anger is overblown

But idk I think this is just like the straw that broke the camel’s back

[rare dirge]

Yeah I for sure think this is just because people are still unhappy with many other things

[granite shard]

I don’t think anything would have made this a popular announcement but I think the game’s been in a relatively weird spot as of late

[noble scarab]

If it was a non crossover we’d have had one post with the trailer, maybe another with some screenshots. Hype would be average to minimal, with a handful of people telling crytek to fix the bugs before releasing dlc

[restive patrol]

what lack of thematic awareness does to someone

[rare dirge]

I love the “let’s get the art team to do things the art team isn’t supposed to do” people before DLC releases

[restive patrol]

to be frank this time, it does have some merit to it, given that they had to have spent some money on this crossover. Money that could've gone to other parts of the game.

[rare dirge]

But yeah that’s about the best way to describe how most DLC launches go

[noble scarab]

The art team does such a good job

Even ghost face looks great minus the mask

[real cedar]

Yeah, the skins for the DLC look great like usual

If it didn't have that ® I might've bought it day one which I normally never do.

[rare dirge]

Yeah but it’s not like they gonna hire more people with that money they probably would have sat on it otherwise but I can’t know for sure since idk how much this costed them

[warm quartz]

Well, we can all agree that Port Sulphur Band always delivers a banger

[granite shard]

The weapon skins are SO good

[rare dirge]

Amen

I mean it’s a weird spot for me because I really like the hunter and weapon skins I just think it’s really odd that they are adding ghostface

[real cedar]

It could've been the new Reaper if it was any other haunted mask

[rare dirge]

Very true

[real cedar]

You know, the teaser was right

we truly are facing our fear

[rare dirge]

Fear of crossovers

I was truly wondering if they ever would do a crossover

[granite shard]

Literally the only sort of hunt collab I ever wanted was for hunt to have a chapter in dbd

I want to play the assassin as a killer

I did not want dbd to leak into hunt via ghost face

[noble scarab]

Hardin as a survivor^

[granite shard]

Lulu and Sofia as survivors

[rare dirge]

I’m actually so surprised this hasn’t happened yet

[granite shard]

Hunt’s not big enough honestly

[noble scarab]

The twins and Alison as survivors, but they’re dbd exclusives

[granite shard]

Like that’s never gonna happen so I was fine w thinking “wow that would be a fun thing” lmao

[rare dirge]

Bro it would be so fitting I always have thought they had similar aesthetics

[granite shard]

Don’t manifest that

[rare dirge]

The sculptor and the entity give off similar vibes too

[granite shard]

I mean like dbd would have been a more sensible collab than ghost face lol

[noble scarab]

Too late, it’s out there, it’s in apollos hands now

[granite shard]

At least the deathslinger aesthetically fits the game

[rare dirge]

Would it be a double sided crossover though if they ever did it with dbd?

They could add a hatchet and bear trap skin relating to huntress and the trapper somehow imo

[noble scarab]

Monster energy gamer^tm stamina^tm shot legendary skin when?

[raw gust]

It's already over, give us a Belle Delphine hive bomb at this point

[faint nimbus]

There was a bear trap skin shown in the gameplay trailer of the event I wonder what that’s gonna be apart of I don’t think it will be twitch drops cause it’s been a long while since we got a new twitch drops skin and it can’t be dlc cause well… scream

[noble scarab]

Is that not part of the pass?

[faint nimbus]

No

[noble scarab]

Maybe twitch drops then

They did a centennial skin not too long ago

[faint nimbus]

I hope so it’s been too long since we got an original twitch drops skin and not just another charm

the centennial was the one outlier

[noble scarab]

Last twitch drops hunter was the baseball guy that no one runs, from last Halloween I think

[magic basin]

Im a little late to the party, but they could have done so much to make a "ghost" hunter for the Halloween event. And I am disapoint

[noble scarab]

Not sure he’s still even in my roster

[granite shard]

I miss getting new twitch drop hunters

[noble scarab]

Maybe we can get union suit from drops if we have all the others

I don’t want to buy all the basic tiered looking hunters for that though

Or the Vikings

Or the duplicates

[granite shard]

Dude it’s gonna suck if the tiered hunters are considered for this

[noble scarab]

They were last round

[granite shard]

Ugh

[noble scarab]

Any unowned legendary hunter

[granite shard]

I really hate the decision to make them “legendary” hunters

(I know that term has been retired but still)

I never see anyone using them

[noble scarab]

The old system of recruiting tiered hunters was fun, there were a few of them I’d liked to be able to just use whenever

However none of them survived the purge

[granite shard]

I have to prestige bc I’m flat broke rn

But

I don’t wanna lose my hunters w silly names

I still have a bayou Luigi!

[noble scarab]

A lot of the tier 2s and some of the tier 3s

Luigi our beloved

Didn’t crytek promise some “evolving” hunters too

With 2.0

[faint nimbus]

there was talk about reworking non “legendary” hunters to progress visually from tier 1 to 3 as they level up but idk if that’s still a thing they’re working on

[real cedar]

The Rookie hunters will get progressions into Tier 2 and Tier 3 but I think evolving is a term people slapped onto that

[granite shard]

Probs bc evolving was an older term

[raw gust]

They didn't even add any of the good tier 2s

[noble scarab]

The change from random hunters to “only these named hunters actually hunt” feels backwards compared to how the new lore is

Anyone can hunt, but actually it’s only these handful of guys

[real cedar]

The random whiteshirts still exist with free hunters and hopefully other tiers will be added to that later, so the lore there is still intact. The rookie system I think is trying to address an old request for the basic hunters to be buyable

[noble scarab]

I hope so

[raw gust]

I doubt we're going to get all 90 tiered hunters back tbh

[manic lichen]

Lorewise we have lost.... so fucking many Hunters it would make the black plague blush

[noble scarab]

That kinda goes back to the gameplay not matching lore, but that’s to be expected

[manic lichen]

Yeah, just funny

[spiral mica]

ngl if they were to add a Pyramid head hunter skin I might just have to buy that

Pyramid head is basically carcass gunrunner with a white bloody apron instead of a blue one and a giant pyramid on his head

[raw gust]

We could at least finally put to rest who has better cake

[spiral mica]

No stop

We're not rating that like people do in Rainbow six seige...

[raw gust]

We already did the legendary hunter smell test

Would balance Cain btw

[spiral mica]

gotta be honest, the skin isn't even that bad it's just the mask that's the problem. If it was a different mask or no mask at all with a different name than "Ghostface" it'd be fine.

I do question how he's able to keep that knife strapped to his chest from falling out...

[orchid tangle]

I think it just shouldn't be a mask, a nice detailed face and it'd be an S tier skin imo

[spiral mica]

Yeah if it was a detailed face like riding hood or silver spur it'd be good

[granite shard]

The skin is bad because of the mask like

[spiral mica]

Instead of Ghostface®️ they could've called him "The Specter" or something

[granite shard]

The mask just immediately takes me out

[spiral mica]

Make him more hunt friendly

Remove the mask or give him a different one

Or give him a detailed face

[real cedar]

Beyond the design quality, it may have some headsman issues with the color and shape

hard to tell with the lighting though

[zenith perch]

do you guys think that the hunt grandma's gear fits with the demented vibe

[real cedar]

Very much so, ye

[spiral mica]

I notice that too it's black and dark green so seeing him from behind may prove difficult

But the goofy mask should be a dead giveaway

[manic lichen]

He simply doesn't fit.
At best he is a "time-warped" ghost face.
Like literally look like a comic cross-over, like those where Batman will end up in feudal japan.

Sure the outfit is changed to fit better, but it still breaks design/aesthetic of the time period.

[clear glacier]

I scoffed at people who kept talking about how hunt was losing its direction

but now I fear I am joining their ranks

[manic lichen]

Did I talk to you about it yesterday? :V

[clear glacier]

No I don't remember so

i was too busy revelling in my lemat carbine gameplay yesterday

[clear glacier]

^^ honestly this

like ok. 1 goofy ghostface skin is alright

but like

if i stack up everything else

[manic lichen]

Naw it was someone else mb.
But it is the classic pipeline for new players, coming in not understand why people are so "negative/pissy".
And then over time they start to understand it

[clear glacier]

im not really gonna complain though because while i understand it

complaining wont change a thing unless im doing so to the right person

[manic lichen]

Well, my review is already negative for the game, so I threw a comment in feedback and then not buying the skin

And hoping the collateral of this decision will stay low.
But now pandora's box is open.

[high stone]

Welcome

To the Desert

Of the real

Scoff no more

[orchid tangle]

I thought they were losing direction but I wasn't as extreme so I scoffed at people who said we were going cod

now I'm starting to uh

inch my way there

I wouldn't say I'm fully there

but I'm no longer scoffing

[high stone]

Yeah, i don’t know about full COD, but I think there are lots of little warning signs, mainly with changes in art sensibilities and creative choices, things like that.

Waving them away as meaningless seems like a mistake, to me

[orchid tangle]

I mean yeah

smalls warning was already proven

no reason to assume they wont creep further

[high stone]

Oh, what warning?

[orchid tangle]

silliness creep to less serious skins with the seasonal hunters and vikings and stuff

[rare dirge]

Does someone have the picture of the hunt language decoded on hand?

[granite shard]

What gets me too is the “well it’s just a Halloween skin”

Like girlies this is a DLC, it’s being sold year round

[spiral mica]

It's a Halloween themed dlc skin it's not like Mama Maye or Headsman where they return every October

It's just gonna be there on the store forever now

We honestly peaked during the tide trilogy

[warm quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1087681763863691305/1118658828632858746/Voynich_png.webp?ex=67181e38&is=6716ccb8&hm=778a20ff95f923108e979cfdd9a163fd757960a0b559fe5bc3c0007a3fc3414b&=&format=webp&width=1440&height=176

Wtf do you mean you dont?

What if you suddenly stumble onto previously unseen piece of lore in hunt voynich?

[spiral mica]

well they did ask so I'd assume they don't

[warm quartz]

The gull of these people

I just cant

[spiral mica]

We can't all be lore hunters 🙄

the audacity

[warm quartz]

Personally, I tattoed it onto my eyelids

So it's there whenever I need it

[spiral mica]

that's some real hunter attitude right there

imagine actually getting the entire hunt font alphabet tattooed on yourself

[rare dirge]

Thank you and also if I found something like that I’d probably post it here because clearly people here are fluent in it

[high stone]

Ohh yeah I’ve been saying the same thing forever

[zenith perch]

I want The Penitent to be in the lore again

[granite shard]

I want anyone to be in the lore again

[native marlin]

i want the lore again

[spiral mica]

Can someone confirm or deny if Wayward helmsman is dead? the waxed dynamite stick skin called "depth marker" reads as; "The Rat was killed with a dynamite bundle in hand, shot in the back by a man overtaken by ravenous greed. When she returned, Drowned and frowning, brought back this waxed dynamite stick to blow him away into the depths from which she came."

[real cedar]

It seems pretty likely since he is in the scene where the Drowned rip apart the smugglers

[granite shard]

It’s not said it’s him but the drowned rat rips a hunter in two and it’s implied to be him

[spiral mica]

when it says "blow him away" I'm assuming it's referring to Wayward helmsman and "the depths" is referring to land of the dead where drowned rat came from.

because in tide of shadows wayward helmsman shot rat in the back and she dropped the bundle at her feet nearly killing her then demented cultists carried her off to one of the alters made from the delphine's wreck and her soul was ripped apart and sent to the land of the dead.

[orchid tangle]

I just noticed this for the ghostface steam announcement

that is baddd

[high stone]

..wwow

[pearl abyss]

I just looked at the Ghostface lore and it's honestly kinda neat. He didn't start off as Ghostface someone or something threw the mask at him, maybe it the demented wanting more poeople or even the currpotion being wanting him

[spiral mica]

It's pretty generic honestly

Like I get what they were trying to do with him. He's Ghostface and it's October and they tried to fixate him into the lore.
It's reminiscent of how they fit Sam Fisher from Splinter Cell into Rainbow six siege as an operator.

He's supposed to essentially be the actual first Ghostface before the 1996 Scream movie.

implying that now the Scream genre is supposed to be Canon in hunt lore.

Which obviously judging by the feedback so far many people won't accept that, myself included.

[raw gust]

I wonder if they expected this level of backlash or thought everyone would like it

[real cedar]

My thought is that all these updates have been in production for a while. It was supposed to be the big re-launch of the game. Those 60k peak players were meant to stay and have fun and get excited for Bounty Clash then get surprised by Ghost Face. As with the UI, the veterans would grumble but it was meant to be something they could weather.
But the pre-update issues, the massive crashes when the update came, the severely unexpected UI backlash and the many many bugs have soured that golden re-launch.

So it's kinda like a train wreck in slow motion, the updates were already in the pipeline and it was either axe it or send it through and weather the storm

[high stone]

Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six are both Tom Clancy IPs though…Sam could show up at any time, and it wouldn’t matter. The worlds of Hunt and Scream are so far apart, it feels like a really bizarre choice to link them

[tropic heath]

I really wish they would've went in a different direction as opposed to this ghostface DLC. I liked it at first but the more I look at it and the desperate attempt to include it in the lore is kinda bothersome. He doesn't need a hat... I would rather they have done a more apocalyptic version of frankenstein, dracula, samira from the ring, the movie "US," Candyman, Conjuring, or The black phone before I would've requested this generic background and thematic nightmare of ghostface...

[high stone]

A Candyman homage, but he’a covered in wasps, might have been really cool! (Even though he’s already like a cross between a hive and The Assassin)

[tropic heath]

Right?!? So many other avenues of creativity that could've been explored.

I feel like something paranormal would fit better in the lore of Post apocalyptic westerns than ghostface... Hell even some dude with a hockey mask and a machete would be better since we already have umpires bane..

[spiral mica]

Yeah I mean that's a loose comparison it works in Seige because as you said it's a Tom Clancy IP but it feels awkward in hunt because it's the first time they've ever done something like this and it doesn't really fit in the atmosphere of hunt.

They tried to make it make sense and incorporate it into the lore and it just doesn't work at all

[high stone]

The face…is too stupid and silly. The reason they used it in Scream was because it was an off the shelf costume, anyone could have it…you didn’t know if they were a killer or not until you saw the knife flash

[spiral mica]

Dead by daylight is different because the game is about killers and the entity is basically transporting killers from alternate realities and using them as instruments

[high stone]

The mask itself isn’t cool or scary

The skin is just a loud, straight pop culture reference

[real cedar]

An additional angle to look at it is that the Huntification doesn't work for Ghostface cause the mask basically exists to be adapted. There's already hundreds of different variations of it.

[tropic heath]

I love pop culture references but legit make it make sense..

I legit thought that devil's advocate was supposed to be Hunt's version of the ghostface mask...

[real cedar]

It'll always be just the mask

[spiral mica]

The only loud straight pop culture reference part of the skin is the mask. At least they tried to be unique with it and not just do the black robe with the hood.

Like I get it they really tried to fit him into the game but it just doesn't work with the world they've built and the environment they have in this game and it'll never work.

They've already established everything and introducing these pop culture references now will only have a negative effect on the game.

[spiral mica]

Devil's advocate is a reference to the Krampus folklore

But that's different

Making a reference to folklore, mythology and fairy tales is something hunt has done for awhile now

We have Reaper, Devil's advocate, Biatata, Luz Mala, Coal bearer. Now we have little red riding hood. All of these work because they're not loud and obnoxious pop culture references but rather references to long established legends in the world.

[real cedar]

Though I think it's starting to become a problem, compounding together into a weight that justifies other skins that don't quite fit. Like Santa and Red Riding Hood are a step too far even if they originated in the 19th century.

[spiral mica]

I agree I'd be a little bothered if we got something like Alice or the Mad hatter from Wonderland or something from the Wizard of Oz

And what scares me the most is both Wonderland and Oz is public domain so they can 100% do hunters based off those characters

[tropic heath]

I honestly wouldn't mind those if they could WITH LORE make it make sense and if they have good enough story tellers and a good enough vision for "What would these characters look like post apocalyptic" then they could definitely pull off something good and new. But copy pasting with generic lore isn't good practice.

[spiral mica]

Well the world of Oz is 20th century but not sure about Wonderland

Okay so a man named Charles Lutwidge Dodgson created the world of Wonderland in the year 1862

[deft storm]

Hunt's not post-apocalyptic, it just takes place in blighted disaster zones in 1895-6

[spiral mica]

It was in the form of a children's story told to to entertain Alice Liddell and her sisters on a boat trip in 1862

[deft storm]

yes, the creep of fairytale and mythic characters seems like it's becoming a. thing. Llorona's Heir is at least a ghost story, and her model looks like a normal person, so you could say the stories about her are just myths....Red riding hood is neither here nor there

[tropic heath]

I know it's not post apocalyptic but is the easiest way to describe the thematic looks, should've just said blighted disaster zone 1896 alice in wonderland themed characters IG

[spiral mica]

Right I forgot about Llorona

Skinflint too

[deft storm]

Scrooge is a little easier to swallow because it's just a literary reference, he's not magical or mythical, and hey.....Christmas!

[spiral mica]

Yeah but I would still consider Christmas carol story is still a folktale like Frau Perchta and Krampus

[deft storm]

nah it's a book from the 1840's, not really the same as a traditional folktale

that's like calling Frankenstein's monster a cryptid, or folklore

[lucid anvil]

Sure, but it’s still closer than ghostface

It’s sorta melded into wider culture now. It’s not quite the same as importing a character from a late 1900s slasher flick.

[deft storm]

closer to what, what angle are you arguing?

[spiral mica]

Yeah but those stories are like two centuries old now. They're basically fairy tales and folktales to us. We're in the 21st century after all.

[deft storm]

i'm not excusing ghostface, don't want him

[lucid anvil]

Sorry, not worded the best.
Closer to folklore. Closer to being authentic.

[deft storm]

no, magical folklore is not the same as historical literary characters

folklore doesn't just mean 'old'

folklore is usually oral tradition, also

that's why it's more vague

[lucid anvil]

I didn’t say it was. I said that the book was closer to that than ghostface. To me, taking inspiration from a book which is over 100 years old and has had a massive impact on things is very different to taking a guy in a latex mask from the late 1900s.

[lucid anvil]

I never said it did.

[spiral mica]

You might misunderstand me I'm also not excusing Ghostface I'm just pointing out the absurdity of it compared to the references to stuff already currently in the game.

[deft storm]

yeah we weren't even talking about Ghostface there, we were talking about Santa and Red Riding Hood

[lucid anvil]

Ahhhh
Apologies.

[spiral mica]

Christmas carol is also most certainly a folktale because it features supernatural elements with the ghosts or Christmas past, present and future. It's a story designed to inspire awe and wonder in the reader.

[deft storm]

sorry, was replying to Isaac there

[deft storm]

oh boy, might be bedtime

[spiral mica]

Yeah exactly! It's like a bedtime story.

[deft storm]

nope

[fickle sluice]

This whole discussion leads me back to my question I asked over and over: "Hunt, where do you see yourself in 5 years." And we never heard anything that points in a certain direction. We never heard what the vision for this game or its lore is.

[manic lichen]

Man, people really need to understand the difference between a homage and a brand deal cross over character.

Coal Bearer, Skinflint and so on, are homages to the stories they are based on.
Ghost Face IS Ghost Face. He is a brand.

Reaper could be a homage to Ghost Face.

[real dove]

Yeah. I'm not going to keep arguing with those folks, it's just not worth the time and energy but while I'm not a fan of the Vikings, hex breaker, even red hood, they are still original beings to hunt. They may be based on something (what isn't at this point tho) but they are still in some way original to hunt. Absolutely no diss on the art team- they really did do as good a job as you could to make him mash in- but it's still Ghostface. But even more than that, it's the opening of the gates for whatever, and more than anything that's what I'm worried about

[granite shard]

Llorona’s heir works for me bc she’s not la llorona. She’s a woman who’s been compared to the folklore by people bc of her brutality & affinity for drowning people…. Meanwhile bloody red is just literally little red riding hood

[noble scarab]

If lloronas heir was released in current hunt she’d just be la llorona

[zenith perch]

I've actually been really wanting the poison bomb and hand crossbow skin

[tired spear]

idk in the same way santa is just santa, but more gruesome, i like to imagine bloody red simply having a somewhat similar story and using the already well-established tale to get notoriety

[granite shard]

but like even coal bearer isn't having the stuff that's like

ah he's delivering presents and shit

bloody red's grandma was killed by the big bad wolf

and like coal bearer at least has the excuse of being a holiday skin (tho imo, he was also a bit of a step too far) while bloody red is just

that

plus like even as a baseline, I'm not really in love with the coal bearer and think that he was already a step out of line

so another step past that feels :/

[unkempt wraith]

Yes agree on that.
There were many skins I think didn't really fit the game. Began voting with my wallet against them but that does not help except if many would do it.

[granite shard]

I don't think stuff really got out of hand until recently

like coal bearer was one thing that got a pass bc seasonal skin, then the corvids & hex breaker both pushed a fantasy but landed on the "it works" side due to the lore being solid for the world (and their designs just looking good), but I t hink when we got the vikings and vaquero is when I was like "uh"

bc the vaquero felt like nothing more than fanservice and really nothing abt his design sets him into the world of hunt, and the vikings are just bad

[unkempt wraith]

Reaper was already one bad egg back a while ago imo. His mask just looks like plastic and gave already scream vibes.

Many of the legendary hunter fit maybe the time period but not the occupation. E.g. Mamma May doesn't look like she is chasing prey through the Bayou.

[granite shard]

based on what we saw of her in tide of corruption I think it's likely mama maye isn't often taking part in hunts herself

I think she works

[clear glacier]

the vaquero and vikings are honestly fine compared to what we just got lmfao

i wont take any sides here because people in general are currently screaming at a brick wall (and i have to wholly admit i love the weapon skins in the bundle) but would it hurt to change the mask and lore a bit to make it match hunt more instead of a ghostface crossover

[unkempt wraith]

Nonhunters should not be playable Hunterskins except for special events imo

[granite shard]

I mean like that's saying that a punch to your stomach is better than a baseball bat to your legs. just becuase they're better than ghostface doesn't make them good

like the vikings are completly anachronistic, not because they're vikings but because they're modern interpretations of vikings

[clear glacier]

I personally think the vaquero is very salvageable if the design was messed around a bit more, and I can also say the same abt the vikings

but I'm not sure I can say the same about this

[granite shard]

okay but like

the designs are finished, they're not changing

ghost face is salvagable if they removed the ghost face mask but that's a core part of the collaboration that's not getting changed

[clear glacier]

correct
that's the issue

there's no salvaging this one just the idea of it lmao

which is a shame really

there was so much more crytek could've done

[granite shard]

the core idea of the vikings is just as bad as ghost face lmao

what crytek could have done was not do a collaboration

[unkempt wraith]

Well historical vikings would future even less. But I am also not a fan. One could have been a lot more subtle about them

[clear glacier]

i can see both sides of the argument honestly

[granite shard]

you can't make ghostface unrecognizable enough to both fit into hunt and still also fit into the IP of Fun World's Ghost Face ™️ Mask

[clear glacier]

on the far ends of the spectrum we have people going "bro who cares it's just a skin don't buy it if u dont like it" and the ones who are going insane over how anachronistic cryteks new additions to the game are

[granite shard]

and you also can't make either historically accurate vikings, or what people in the 1890s thought vikings would have looked like, because then Gamers would have been mad bc they wanted their fantasy

I mean I don't think it's unreasonable to discuss how we don't like how things have changed

[clear glacier]

simply put the option probably shouldn't have been there in the first place

which is why i can agree partially with both sides of the argument

[raw gust]

I got into this game because of the atmosphere, it's entirely possible I get out of the game because of it

[clear glacier]

oh no no that portion isn't unreasonable

it's the part where people are throwing shit at the wall malding and screaming insults at the wrong people

[granite shard]

like at some point people have to make their displeasure known. I have been a hugely vocal supporter of hunt and crytek throughout my time playing the game

[unkempt wraith]

And not buying does not work, if others buy and used it. That is if you like atmosphere and all

[granite shard]

but like? there have been a ton of bad decisions lately and I am going to talk about what I don't like about them because hunt is so important to me

hunt isn't beyond saving but at some point the bad decisions are going to add up. we're already at the lowest player count in ages and I don't want to see hunt die because out of touch suits are trying to grow the game past its core player base, without actually managing to bring new people in

this collab was likely pitched with the idea that there'd be a ton of new blood in the game after the engine update. yeah, the old people probably wouldn't have been happy but they probably weighed the odds of new players not having that sort of history w the game and not caring, just wanting "wow cool ghost face!"

except the gamble went bad and now the only people playing rn are longtime players, who are already disgruntled as a baseline

[clear glacier]

what you're complaining about is valid and i can agree with a fair bit of your points

i just wish there were more people complaining like you

it just doesn't sit right to me that a lot of other people ive met either here or outside when complaining about this exact issue take it upon themselves to shit on the art team or scream at a wall and being entirely disrespectful making their displeasure known

I'm actually currently (and have been fora while) very annoyed that I can no longer read the hunt lore ingame anymore because it was "temporarily removed"

[granite shard]

it wasn't temporarily removed lol

[clear glacier]

but by the looks of it it's been about 2 months and idt it's coming back

[granite shard]

there doesn't seem to be anything temporary about it

they've never said anything about plans to return it to the game

there's a new progression system being planned to be brought in, nothing about the library

[clear glacier]

people's done told me it was temporary so i went with it but it's been 2 months in

[granite shard]

like idk, I don't support gamer rage and I think the way people express their frustration is often unproductive and mistargeted. but I think also that at some point people are going to have enough frustrations build up that they lash out

[clear glacier]

maybe people assumed progression meant the lore back

[granite shard]

hunt's at a really low point rn and crytek needs to fight to get the trust of the community back

idk I jut hope that they can turn around and do that

[clear glacier]

im honestly also quite frustrated with a lot of the changes and i hope crytek is able to see some of the more reasonable parts of the community write feedback

because it isn't just the creative direction of the game

ever since 1896 dropped a fair bit of bugs have also come back

i tried overlooking them but some are genuinely affecting gameplay as much as their creative decisions are affecting the game's overall "direction and feel"

[deft storm]

there you go, that's a great way to do it

[slate sorrel]

Vaquero as an idea was fine, but yeah, both in concept and execution Viking is dumb.

[granite shard]

Vaquero existed because, like with Vikings, it was one of the most common fan requests for a skin

And then not only is he more of a mariachi performer than a vaquero, his design also does nothing to really sell him as a hunter

He’s just some dude

Llorona’s Heir and Sofia both sell the vaquero fantasy more than he does imo

[slate sorrel]

Part of me is like "at least it makes sense geographically/historically". I'd like to go deeper on the design but for some reason I can't find a single picture on the internet and my game takes ages to launch.

[granite shard]

Like he just generally feels more like something created to tick boxes of fan requests than something a dev had a cool idea for

[slate sorrel]

I had the same feeling for a lot of the "Japan/Asian" themed Hunters, especially with the new Kendoka skin like ??????? have you ever gotten into a Bogu ? You can't see or hear anything, and you're telling me that's a Hunter ???

And I feel like this one too is a fan request, like the Katana

[granite shard]

The ronin and miko are fine but Kendoka is just some dude in a kendo outfit

Like all of the other Asian hunters are fine and they all look like people in the world of hunt

Kendoka would have been saved if he just wasn’t wearing the mask honestly

If he just had it tied to his belt and had a unique face he would have worked

[deft storm]

Gunslinger is another sweet one, she also looks 1890s, not 1860s

[smoky scaffold]

Yall I think that everything we have been told so far is false and instead that the round earth society made all the lore up and the cat earth people are the only ones who know change my mind

[smoky scaffold]

How else do you explain the plastic water bottle

[clear glacier]

^ hard agree here

the skin looks great but rlly doesn't fit hunt imo

[granite shard]

And like I know there’s a ton that goes into making all of these characters. I have a TON of respect for the art team and don’t want to come off as disparaging them

It just feels like they’re getting stifled by decisions made above them

[clear glacier]

we could've had a Meiji infantryman as a hunter

[slate sorrel]

The nerd in me would also have prefered to call him a "Kenshi" (swordsman), since Kendo wasn't a thing until 1912. But yeah, just the chestplate and the belt would have been good, (maybe with greeves for historical accuracy).

[slate sorrel]

Especially with how good looking their uniforms were

[granite shard]

There were a lot of things they could have done w him lol

Idk it’s just one of those frustrating things where a lot of the designs I’m not huge on could be saved w small additions or tweaks

And then there’s stuff that I just don’t think would have ever worked lol

[slate sorrel]

Sadly, most of these clearly are made to cater to the "samurai" aesthetic fans and then adapting them to Hunt rather than having things that made sense in the context of hunt without too much tweaks.

[granite shard]

Idk I think the miko is a fantastic way of taking a base idea (shrine maiden) but moving from the stereotyped aesthetic and making her look like someone in hunt

Like when we got a miko hunter announced I was thinking we were gonna get some red and white basic miko outfit

[slate sorrel]

It's far from being as "bad" as they could have made it, but idk, feels weird. What I mean is that I don't particularly like the skin, but it's fine enough that I wouldn't go and complain everywhere about how it breaks my immersion.

[granite shard]

Idk, I don’t think it sticks out any more than hunters from other cultures

Not talking about you in particular, but I’ve noticed that the hunters people tend to get the weirdest about their inclusion are the East Asian ones

Like there’s some level of stereotype to their looks, but I think that also goes for all of the international hunters to be honest

And I do think there’s discussion to be had there abt why stereotypes/broad stroke generalizations are used for international hunters and how their designs could be changed to start straying away from that

[slate sorrel]

I think that since a lot of the player base is occidental (especially the english-speaking ones), we are more used to these cultures than to East Asia, and that we associate more the Bayou with rednecks, cowboys and sherifs than with a guy with an Oni mask running around with a Katana.
In terms of Lore it makes sense, but it can still feel weird, that's my rationalization of this feeling.

[granite shard]

But also like we’ve had East Asian hunters in the game since pretty close to the beginning, plus w America being built on immigration honestly it would feel weirder not having anyone from there in the game

Like yeah the ronin’s wearing an oni mask but also we’ve got a guy wearing a target on his back

[raw gust]

New Orleans was the port of the nation at that time so it makes sense a lot of nationalities are present, but honestly it's kind of weird how few Hispanic hunters we had until recently

I know we always had some, you would expect to see more though

[manic lichen]

My German/Chinese friend was VERY happy about the Chinese representation in Hunt :)

[slate sorrel]

still no french/acadians hunters tho 😔

[granite shard]

I know I complained abt them doing seasonal skins each year for Halloween/Christmas despite like seeming like they’re gonna run out of ideas but I am sad that we’ve not gotten any new lunar new years hunters

But also Chinese representation shouldn’t be limited to coming out for lunar new years lol

[manic lichen]

Oh yeah!

That is true!

[manic lichen]

Granny is French

Still no Danish Hunters tho

[slate sorrel]

fr ?

lessssgoooo

[granite shard]

I’m thinking abt the ronin and that made me think abt the katana lore

[granite shard]

We’re never gonna get the third part of alvise’s journal

[manic lichen]

[granite shard]

I wanna see him and the ronin live out their romance

WHY WAS HE BLUSHING WHEN LOOKING AT THE RONIN IF HE WASN’T IN LOVE

[slate sorrel]

me whenever I complain about something (I was wrong)

[unkempt wraith]

Nuh it's older than that. Especially since, during the Satsuma Rebellion the government recruited swordsmen from Kendo practioneers to form the Battotai. They had neglected swordsmanship after meiji for a while and thus the regular troops had problems fighting of the rebellious samurai in melee. This is also why they featured straight blade 'katana' since many of these new "Kendo"-recruits were familiar with shinai not katana.

One can however argue about when and if interchangeable the term kenjutsu was still applied. You can find both

[slate sorrel]

"Kendo" wasn't a word until around 1912, the term appeared as the discipline strayed further and further from Kenjutsu and the first "Kendo no kata" were first written. The practice did exist, (with both Shinai and Armor) but it wasn't called Kendo.

Thus, Kenshi is closer to whatever that Hunter is.

[unkempt wraith]

It was. There is e.g. apparently
a book from 1879 called " Kendo Saikō-ron"

[real cedar]

I tried searching that essay and a bunch of different sites are claiming the name to be something else.
Kendo Saikō-ron
Kenjutsu Saikō-ron
Gekiken Saikō-ron
They all basically mean the same thing but it's bizarre to claim it's one or the other, there ought to be only one true title.

It's seeming like gekiken is the romanization of the characters that the title uses

which tracks with what kendo was called at the time

[unkempt wraith]

Abe-ryu (a sword school) used the term kendo apparently already way earlier

[manic lichen]

Hear me out: Battotai Hunter

[unkempt wraith]

Around 1678.

[unkempt wraith]

Was saying that few days ago, that this would have made more sense. And it would have been nice to have an old rivalry between Ronin and him.

And ofc no Slate skin

But don't think Crytek would make such a skin. Too 'militaristic' 😦

[deft storm]

what why

[manic lichen]

Fits the setting and could be lore for the Ronin

[deft storm]

how does that fit the setting

you know who they should put in, is Samurai Jack

hell yea dude

[raw gust]

I understand steering widely clear of certain civil war uniforms, but this is a game where we shoot people to death, why are all military uniforms out of the question?

Also, aren't Bridgewater and Prodigal Daughter in uniform?

[deft storm]

this whole game is just a nightmare at this point, there's hardly any reasoning behind anything

[deft storm]

Bridgewater: yes, for some reason

PD: No, it's a modified costume made from some kind of dress uniform her mom had as a US Civil War spy

i guess

[raw gust]

Having a spy uniform seems like a bad idea

[deft storm]

prolly a ceremonial/dress uniform given after her service

who knows

[raw gust]

True, just kidding around

[deft storm]

hey it works for some people

[raw gust]

I wouldn't want them to add rep from every military on earth at the time, but one guy from the Russian Army and one guy from the Japanese army would go hard as a bundle

[unkempt wraith]

Well Bridgewater somehow yeah. But also he still doesn't give strong militaristic vibes

[raw gust]

A pair of deserters fighting again a world away

[spiral mica]

Bridgewater is a cavalryman and Prodigal daughter wears her mother's uniform who was a union spy for the civil war.

[unkempt wraith]

And I don't see them adding any "good" imperial Japanese military stuff. Maybe like with the tier 2 and 3 were it kinda looks the thing but also doesnt

[spiral mica]

I'm curious where Prodigal son got his uniform

[deft storm]

it used to look like the whole fucking Hunt operation was illegal... you probably don't want to wear any kind of uniform out there, unless you're The Law

[deft storm]

i almost forgot about tat bullshit

[raw gust]

I didn't want to bring him up around these parts

Clearly it was his mothers other uniform

[spiral mica]

I hate his haircut and his mask

like it's a cool skin but why does his hair look so messy

[raw gust]

It's definitely something slapped together

[spiral mica]

also it doesn't really make sense lorewise but his name is one of the three bullets on prodigal daughter's sparks skin

[deft storm]

too many people want this game to be World of Soldiers 1895

[spiral mica]

they tried to make it fit just like they tried to make Ghostface fit

[raw gust]

It makes sense that he would show up, it just doesn't make sense that he would also be wearing a union army uniform

[spiral mica]

I don't really mind having soldiers as hunters because the hunt has been described as a supernatural war of sorts. It makes sense to have former soldiers that have served in wars turn to bounty hunting.

[raw gust]

I don't only want soldiers as hunters, but I like having some ex soldiers as hunters

[spiral mica]

It adds to the wildness of it all like the wild west

[raw gust]

I know this is a bit pedestrian, but it's amazing to me we got crossovers before a big game hunter

[spiral mica]

same I want the roster to be diverse

[deft storm]

maybe lots of ex-soldiers, I don't think you'll see any uniforms though, that aren't purely for utility

[raw gust]

He doesn't need to be in full safari regalia, but it would totally fit the theme

[spiral mica]

and that's what I like about the legendary skins you have variety in the characters

[deft storm]

the safari theme

[raw gust]

A big game hunter doesn't need to be pith helmet and full khakis. Crytek would probably just do that though and give us the guy from Jumanji

So maybe it's for the best

[spiral mica]

yeah I think that'd be a cool idea for a hunter too

give him a nitro skin or something

[deft storm]

Crytek 2024 maybe

[raw gust]

Well, last time I checked, that's what year it is.

[raw gust]

It's an elephant gun, it could have an ivory inlay

[spiral mica]

there exists a really nice springfield skin that has ivory inlay

I think it was a twitch drop or a questline item

[raw gust]

Yeah, it was a drop

[spiral mica]

it's called old tusk I think

really nice looking skin

I don't condone the use of ivory though

[unkempt wraith]

Agree. And in general I am also more a fan of more suble telling of character by outfit.
Like the maybe would have one or two memento with them but wear like 'regular Hunter gear'. But that is sth most of the Legendary Hunter skins get wrong. It's like Crytek would make someone who was a machinist in his past walk around in his old work clothes and tools dangling around.

[raw gust]

I don't think Crytek is killing actual elephants to make the twitch drops

I hope not anyway

[spiral mica]

There's a fine line between hunting and poaching but I don't think I'd ever hunt an Elephant

they're magnificent creatures

[faint nimbus]

I don’t think anywhere in the world you can hunt an elephant not legally

[raw gust]

I wouldn't kill other people to steal bounties either

[real dove]

Tho to be fair, they do take RAGE JUICE injection so

[raw gust]

There are some places that allow people to do it when elephants would be put down anyway. They are not allowed to keep the ivory

[faint nimbus]

this does remind me of the great description for the nitro skin form the last battle pass how it no longer kills poor innocent bisons but instead not so innocent hunters

[faint nimbus]

That’s…. Kinda horrible

[raw gust]

I guess, but it also provides funds to elephant sanctuaries

It does seem pointless to me to hunt if you don't keep the meat

[spiral mica]

Elephant hunting is necessary because if left to over populate they'll graze fields to the bone. Elephant poaching does nothing but harm the local ecosystem.

[drifting plover]

Not to forget, inproper clothing gear. Like Lulu, Mamma Maye, Reaper etc. LIke you dont imagine these guys running through the swamps

[faint nimbus]

maybe I’m stuck in my southeast Asian mindset where elephant killing is a cardinal sin cause we have so little now

Also I’m late to the conversation but isn’t prodigal sons uniform a cavalry uniform? Like Sioux war era with liberties taken?

[spiral mica]

oh yeah I'm not sure about Asia but Africa has laws about preserving the ecosystem

the average African Elephant can graze 3 suburban front yards worth of grass in about a day

[faint nimbus]

I guess I should read up on that

[spiral mica]

a herd of Elephants if left unchecked can turn a green field into a dirt mound

That's why south Africa is way more deserty than it used to be

[raw gust]

This is something that has been an issue for a long time, but ironically the Colorado map kind of fixes this

[spiral mica]

Reaper is just cosplaying

[raw gust]

Of course, then you have people underdressed for the mountains...

[spiral mica]

although I do think it would be cool to see more alt versions of skins like we saw with drowned rat and kid

[spiral mica]

unless they decide to add a snowy weather condition to mammon's gulch I don't see a huge issue with it

[raw gust]

I'd rather have those as battlepass rewards that don't require a full set of assets then the ones we have been getting

[spiral mica]

I mean some of these hunters are pretty drugged up and crazy, especially the demented ones.

[raw gust]

The shade ones from last time were pretty good, I guess I just think pumpkin head is stupid looking

[spiral mica]

he's silly yeah

[raw gust]

Shade's lore was dumb though

[real cedar]

Shade is just Clint Eastwood which is kinda funny

[spiral mica]

Would you say silver spur is Doc Holiday?

[raw gust]

He reminds me of Elric

[faint nimbus]

I don’t get the pumpkin head hate when he was first announced I saw a lot of people saying “finally a headless hot man esque hunter” but now everyone says he breaks the artstyle?

[raw gust]

I don't hate him being in the game, I just think 3 versions of him are a bit much

[real cedar]

There's some connection there, yeah. It's more that a cowboy reaching the end of his road with TB became a story trope because of Holiday.

[spiral mica]

It'll be weird to see him during other seasons besides Halloween

[faint nimbus]

THAT I can understand

[faint nimbus]

Same can be said for like the flintskin

[spiral mica]

I've seen people compare him to how viper had 4 stages and he only has 3 stages but still it does seem excessive

[raw gust]

Viper is whatever to me, but having them all take one hunter slot in the old ui may have helped my perception

Also basketface was great

[spiral mica]

It's lame you can't look at previous skins

I don't own viper so I can't really observe him

I got friends who don't own ward or skinned either but I certainly do

[real dove]

I actually really didnt mind the old carousel

legit just needed it to be able to fav hunter

[drifting plover]

Yes and no. Some of the gear is still not suited for hunting. Pants are really great for hunting and boots. Both for male and female. Both in the swamps and the mountains. The Tier 2 and 3 Hunter were peak design in most cases

[raw gust]

I agree, most people will think this is too far, but I didn't like legendary hunters being added at all

And frankly I stand by that, I'm just aware it's not really realistic

[slate sorrel]

Same word, but used in a completely different context. From what I can read, Abe-Ryu's utilisation of the word Kendo describe teachings of moral/mental practice. Nothing to do with using a Shinai and Bogu to spar while practicing the Kendo no kata.
Gekiken was used as general term which could be translated as "sparring", as in fights that are meant to perfect your technique rather than killing the guy in front of you.

[spiral mica]

btw found this the other day. Fort Bolden sign with a spear.

[slate sorrel]

the loss of random hunters and its' consequences on the amounts of drip in the bayou 😔

[raw gust]

Where is hat man? Is he safe?

[spiral mica]

who?

[slate sorrel]

the "ghillie" ones were absolutely fantastic

the detail of each tier having more esoteric tatoos/jewelry than the one before it 🔥🔥🔥

[raw gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401019644938289153/1298274346468380783/image0.jpg?ex=6718f7b4&is=6717a634&hm=721cf7b36ed29432af86c0db84f192b462e89f0f7094c639cb46cb20ce9bd40b&

[spiral mica]

oh nah that guy is gone

lost and forgotten

[raw gust]

On the one hand, I want all previous skins to be readded, on the other hand these guys are gonna be worse than headsman if you're allowed to take them every time

[spiral mica]

I mean their ghillie suits did work

they were hard to spot

[raw gust]

It felt special when you randomly rolled them

[unkempt wraith]

Only said the word existed. You said it didn't before 1912.

Yes because it has 'do' in it. Simplified: 'jutsu' is only about the techniques whereas 'do' always adds some spiritual thingens towards it

[spiral mica]

I sorta like the idea that a hunter would visually look different the more you progressed bloodline

showing you your hunter as gone from a fresh rookie to a hardened veteran

the ghillie suit guys obviously being the latter

[raw gust]

Maybe if we're lucky the non "rookie" versions of the new prestige hunters won't be on sale and you'll just get them.

Not holding my breath though

[slate sorrel]

I said "Kendo wasn't a thing until 1912", not "the word kendo wasn't a thing...". I implied that I was talking about "Kendo" as the martial art related to sparring with a shinai and a bogu. Which wasn't called Kendo until at least 1912. But I understand that you understood it that way, I should have worded it better.

[spiral mica]

Yeah I wouldn't

I doubt they'll actually bring back the ghillie guys because of what happened to headsman and Cain

[spiral mica]

although I don't see why this guy can't come back

[slate sorrel]

Hardin wishes everyday that he was as cool as hat man

[spiral mica]

nah Hardin is cool put some respect to his name

but this guy is cool too

[slate sorrel]

I played the hat man before I could get Hardin with BBs lmao

now I play Hardin waiting for hat man to come back, life is a cycle

[smoky scaffold]

I stand by my point

[slate sorrel]

Since the lore isn't directly written in the game as before, does anyone here have a source were someone recompiled every piece of lore ?

[deft storm]

good Hatman......goodbye Hatman

he better come back

[real cedar]

Pinned comments in this channel, there's a few documents made up

[slate sorrel]

thx

[manic lichen]

Discomforting truth:
The vikings would be more lore accurate if they had horned helmets.

[real cedar]

ironic

[raw gust]

Amusing

[granite shard]

THAT’S WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING

THAT IS THE 1890S MISUNDERSTANDING OF VIKINGS

BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS THE 2020S MISUNDERSTANDING OF VIKINGS

[manic lichen]

I KNOW 😭

I fucking hate these Vikings, they are so... American

[granite shard]

[deft storm]

it;s alright, save 'em for the opera house

[granite shard]

Which is wild bc they probs weren’t even designed by an American

It just makes me so frustrated bc this is why I never wanted Vikings in hunt

[slate sorrel]

isnt Crytek a german compagny ?

[manic lichen]

Nope, but the American cultural influence (and sadly then propergated by neo nzs) have made that the now cultural perception of the Vikings.

[granite shard]

It’s brutal

[slate sorrel]

Worst thing is that actual vikings are infinitely better looking

[granite shard]

Like I think if we had anything less, the people asking for Vikings would have been disappointed

Bc by and large the people who wanted them are the people who like the metal band cosplayers

[raw gust]

Well, we got plague doctors for the same reasons

[manic lichen]

Oh yeah, I'm Danish and a history nerd, have a good handful of friends who "do Viking" :)

[granite shard]

At least the plague doctors exist to fill a void of people wanting an exclusive skin

Like they can’t bring the og back for legal reasons, so at least this is a compromise

[manic lichen]

Sure, but if they called the plague doctors just for "doctors" it would be wrong.

[raw gust]

The og was also added because people wanted it

[manic lichen]

But here they call them "vikings" but don't really.. well make them vikings.

[granite shard]

The Vikings were just such a bad call and I hate them sm

[manic lichen]

Also the fucking leather armor sorry, but that wasn't a Viking thing either.

[granite shard]

AND THE WHITE WOMAN DREADS

VIKINGS COMBED THEIR HAIR

A LOT

THEY DID NOT LET THEIR HAIR GET MATTED LIKE THAT

[slate sorrel]

chain mail is the peak of fashion, and honestly, a crazy "cosplayer" that made himself a "viking gear" to go hunt for riches could have been at least interesting

[raw gust]

They're going to add a knight too, because of the demand, I just know it.

[granite shard]

Like I’m not an expert in Viking fashion history but I have looked into it enough to like. Try and speak abt it in a more educated fashion

[slate sorrel]

I hade the idea of drawing a similar (for a "knight" cosplayer), but the guy would have a bucket on his head and poorly welded plates of junk as armor

[granite shard]

Bc there’s soooo much information that’s gotten spread abt the Vikings and stuff from various sources

[manic lichen]

My friend call this loadout (in mordhau) Prime Performance

[granite shard]

I’m gonna punch a wall like a man if we get a knight

It’s just. So stupid

[manic lichen]

For knight... hmmm.... think we can get more something closer to a Landsknecht:

[deft storm]

No knights, but there should be a Ned Kelly type guy manning that gatling gun on the extraction coaches

[slate sorrel]

If you don't know about it, I'd suggest looking at Creighton from dark souls 2, not necessarily a Viking (more of a Norman/generic frankish dude imo) but he's drippy, and quite close to actual medieval protection.

[granite shard]

I’d still be fuming

It just looks dumb

[manic lichen]

Yeah

[deft storm]

I'm not thinking he would leave the carriage or boat

[granite shard]

But the issue is we’ve had enough Ned Kelly requests that we’re absolutely getting it at some point

[slate sorrel]

THIS

[manic lichen]

I would like to see a hunter utilizing chain mail.
It would be good vs. bite slashing monsters.
Heck we even still use chain mail today (or well butchers does).

[deft storm]

he's too fucking heavy to run around like a Hunter though....a Kelly Hunter skin WOULD be stupid

[granite shard]

Like just bc a guy existed or a thing w a unique aesthetic occurred at some point in history doesn’t mean that hunt needs it

[slate sorrel]

doesn't the dog guy have some on his gear ?

[granite shard]

But people don’t get it

And they just keep begging for it

[deft storm]

yea I wouldn't say exactly like him

[manic lichen]

I will die inside the day we get the fucking musket

[real cedar]

Ned Kelly fits so well but it's very hard to justify a skin where the theme is 'bulletproof' but you're not

[granite shard]

Dude it’s gonna happen

At this point it’s gonna happen

[manic lichen]

The Maynard already doesn't make any fucking sense, it have NONE of its real life counter parts balistics.

[slate sorrel]

I remember back in the day were someone suggested making the cannons usable in Fort Carmick, and putting single shot muskets in the map like the axes/shovels/maces

[deft storm]

that's why I suggested for extraction vehicles only

not for players

[manic lichen]

Me too, also let the cannons at fort being able to fire if you can load them, the cannon balls are twice the size and can't fit any of the cannons anyways :V

[slate sorrel]

something inspired by this, with just the helmet could be ok, but that still would be weird yup

but a guy using some metal to make himself more durable against the dangers of the hunt would make sense, we kinda already have that with the dog guy

[manic lichen]

Again, I want a hunter with like chain mail sleves, something you might want when fighting grunts and dogs

[real cedar]

It's one of those things that would fit well in some other Hunt-connected media like a comic or book

[raw gust]

Arguably wayward helmsman is doing the Ned Kelly thing

[deft storm]

armor systems for players would also fit Hunt perfectly, but that would set some hair on fire

[raw gust]

I would actually quit playing immediately

[manic lichen]

Literally the reason why I play hunt is because there ain't no armor system.

[deft storm]

that's the reason you play Hunt

[manic lichen]

Maybe armor vs. AI could work.
But not vs. players.

[slate sorrel]

Yeah how did I never heard about him, he's amazing but the bucket helmets is the most emblematic thing about Ned Kelly imo

[deft storm]

I'm thinking it would affect your stamina, etc.

[raw gust]

Throw in a crack about how he shouldn't have used pot metal and the improvised helmet would be fine on a skin honestly.

[slate sorrel]

Even then, that would be WAY too much of a disadvantage from not having hunt dollars to spend. Imo one of the best parts of Hunt is that even the cheapest loadout can be effective since the game is overall pretty well balanced.

[raw gust]

"Ked Nelly thought he was clever, protecting his head with his grandmother's bucket. He wasn't as smart as he thought."

[deft storm]

didn't mean to start a thing about Kelly though - fuck those Vikings

[raw gust]

They just look so ass even on top of being completely inaccurate

[restive patrol]

to be frank, it seems to be an amalgmation of the various cartridge based Maynard sporting models and the Civil War Carbine version. They basically took one of the many cartridge based ones, and changed it to the percussion cap Civil War version. It's just weird, too bad the Book of Weapons is gone so we don't know what its supposed to be in lore 🥲

[raw gust]

It's not too much more of an abomination than the LeMat we got I guess

[manic lichen]

Just couldn't find ANY data that any of the Maynards had a MV this high, the highest I could find was like... 390m/s.

[raw gust]

(I am an ugly cartridge LeMat supporter)

[restive patrol]

yea, the Maynard Sporting versions were chambered in everything from 44-40 to 44-100. This here is what I think they based the one in game on (https://live.amoskeagauction.com/lot-details/index/catalog/72/lot/39075/Maynard-Model-1882-No-11-Improved-Hunter-s-Rifle)

[manic lichen]

Also: Maynard should be custom ammo, you ain't fitting those bullets in anything + it might actually balance it a little.

[raw gust]

This is something they've been doing more in general, but I'm more forgiving when it's for balance. See: Centennial's velocity

[slate sorrel]

Would have the book of weapons explained how the Krag has it's magazine cut-off switched on at all times ? 🥺

look at what they took from us

[restive patrol]

also speaking of the Maynard, they posted this on their twitter and said "The first of our many rifles to come with a sniper scope by default, allow us to introduce the Maynard Sniper." https://x.com/HuntShowdown/status/1848426914702049772. Idk what they could possibly add that wouldn't step on any other niches but we will see. Hell maybe, we're getting more percussion firearms lmao

[slate sorrel]

Lee Navy scoped (regular one would make so much sense tho)

[raw gust]

They actually did explain this one, according to them different iterations of the Krag had different positions of the cut off, and the one they modelled it on had the less common position

[slate sorrel]

fr ? AGAIN I stand corrected, complaining for nothing. I am but an insect compared to people with actual working brains. 😔

[restive patrol]

It was changed after the Spanish-American War, when cavalry-men complained that their Krag carbines' magazine cut-off was scraping the inside of their leather scabbards, as they defaulted to rapid-fire and rarely used the single-shot mode

[orchid tangle]

from what I'm seeing from ghostface my prediction is if this happens some rando dude in general chat will make a 2 paragraph post about how it's hypocritical to complain about a full plated knight armor legendary because we already have the beast hunter in armor

I don't like the thought of a ned kelly hunter just because how actually bad the armor was in practice, like yeah it helped him not die instantly, but he walked up on the cops in night through the woods

iirc, he couldn't even lift his arm high enough to shoot most of them because of the armor

and his legs were uncovered so they just leg shot him till he gave up

[deft storm]

Just saw another genius misunderstand the Beast Hunter character design on reddit, it will never stop happening.

[orchid tangle]

were you looking at that huge ass post going over ever single dlc characters appearance

[deft storm]

uh, maybe

I don't remember

[orchid tangle]

I don't think I've ever seen a post that I agree with the main point of but disagree with like the majority of the side arguments of why

[deft storm]

the general uh, media and reading comprehension is all over the fucking place

[manic lichen]

My fav is people who goes "but you didn't complain about Ronin and Katanas!", which yes a lot of fucking people did.
And if/when they add something stupid like Skeletor to Hunt we gonna hear people go "well you didn't complain about Ghost Face!"

[orchid tangle]

yeah

I remember being annoyed at the katana because we hadn't gotten things like the spencer yet
I feel like you should prioritize weapons that were actually commonly used first, but whatever water under the bridge by now

[manic lichen]

I still think the Katana is fucking stupid, granted I am also biased on how fucking over-tuned it is.

But now they removed balance from melee weapons, so guess it doesn't matter.

[orchid tangle]

I don't like melee that one shots at all usually

katana is a bit better since it's a whole stab

but things like baseball bat

that one shots me but a giant bullet coming at me a bajillion mph doesn't?

[manic lichen]

Yeah, melee/bolt weapons are in a weird spot, bc bow and arrow is harder to use than a gun, but so from a balance stand point it makes sense it is more "rewarding" to use.

But like, there is a reason why we don't use them as soon guns got easy to manufacture.

[spiral mica]

If you're strong enough you can definitely kill someone in one swing

[rare dirge]

yeah i mean you really are bringing a knife to a gunfight if you bring melee

i think i can suspend disbelief for balancing reasons

[zenith perch]

Yelling BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! gives you an advantage in melee

Or making weird noises

Both

[spiral mica]

You gotta remember that the year is 1896 and medicine is still pretty bad so getting stabbed with something like a katana or saber would mean instant death for pretty much anyone. I don't care how much of a superhuman hunter you claim to be you're going to die if I slip a 6 inch cold hammer forged bayonet between your ribs.

[real cedar]

Wait a minute, did some of the DLCs get new lore or did I just miss this blurb the whole time? From the Spirit of Nian DLC:

Many think the monster is only a legend. Many think the fight is only a symbol. But each Spring, Nian marks the turning of the year by coming out to hunt, devouring livestock and shredding human flesh between its murderous teeth. Spring is approaching again, and as local Hunters will tell you, Nian is no symbol; Nian is a symptom – of the Sculptor’s influence – and an enemy against which many Chinese Hunters cut their teeth and learn their trade.

After facing Nian year after year with brutal, bloody success, these two Legendary Hunters immigrated to the United States in late 1895, in spite of the Geary Act, with help from both Trevors and Huff. Their skills would prove invaluable in the fight against the corruption in Louisiana, as well as the weapons and tools they brought with them. In 1896, the Chinese New Year would begin on the 13th: a bad omen for what would happen that year in Louisiana. ```

It's not listed as a change in Steamdb so maybe I was just careless 😅 but the 1896 stuff surely had to have been added?

I gotta go check the rest

[raw gust]

I think it was there before

The timeline is sort of fucky before the engine update, we were in late 1895 for like 12 events

I think at one point we were in December 1895, got a "3 months later" and then it was August 1895

Want to say that was Serpent's/Devil's Moon

So the fact that it mentions that 1896 was coming up is not that surprising

[real cedar]

Ah yup the text was referenced way back in 2021 so I just missed it all this time lol

[orchid tangle]

didn't one of the moon events go to like way in the future for some reason in some entries

[raw gust]

Probably, there was a point when much of the lore was written in 1986 (not a typo) by some unnamed researcher studying old texts

I might have the date wrong on that, "The Louisiana Event" book hasn't been in the game for like 5 years

[orchid tangle]

I mean if we wanna say it doesn't matter if it isn't in the game then...

[real cedar]

One of the Louisiana Event newspaper articles is dated 1977. I figure they're still part of the lore since they got reposted to the Hunt website where some of the other lore stories go

Two pages didn't get reposted though, so those ones can be considered retconned

[high stone]

Hmm I don’t remember Trevors, was that person mentioned before?

[real cedar]

Jason Trevors, the Carcass Gunrunner

[high stone]

Haha ahh ok 😵‍💫

[fickle sluice]

Doesn't even have to be that strong. People underestimate how fast the outer end of a long object swung by a grown person moves. People also forget that the movie knockout is not a thing and a bash to the head with a gunstock would more likely kill you than knock you out.

[fickle sluice]

There's also the wax cylinders of the researcher's entries in Scorched Earth that were found in an archive in Vienna.

[spiral mica]

Yeah I know there's a ton of physics involved

[fickle sluice]

Also: bashing heads with a baseball bat while running the Santa skin is just simple family fun

[spiral mica]

His elfs probably made all those bats

[fickle sluice]

That's how wholesome the whole affair is.

[zenith perch]

I miss the Lovecraft vibe from the tide events

[real cedar]

Honestly I'm glad the tides is over, the metaphysics of the Land of the Dead and all that are too confusing for my small brain. DW and Scorched Earth so far have had much more understandable plotlines

[zenith perch]

DW?

[real cedar]

Desolation's Wake

[zenith perch]

Ah

[real dove]

Rai the plot of HOG has been the easiest to follow

You don't even have to read it this time!

:D

[granite shard]

[rotund ferry]

H. H. Holmes is the interesting candidate as "Ghostface" imo

[zenith perch]

Let's make our own lore

[spiral mica]

We would

[zenith perch]

I'll start

[spiral mica]

but there wouldn't really be an audience

[zenith perch]

Harvest is the Cowl's brother

[spiral mica]

and that's probably why they're cutting focus on the lore anyways

[granite shard]

I mean like there’s an audience for the lore they just had to actually market it better

[spiral mica]

more and more I'll ask people I play with if they know the lore of this game and they'll reply with something like "wait you actually pay attention to that stuff?"

well we'll never know how they could've marketed it now

[zenith perch]

I'm the only one in my group that pays attention to it

[granite shard]

Like there was next to no marketing for the lore despite the fact that a strong, or at the very least interesting narrative/narrative premise can carry a game to bigger audiences

I got several friends to play the game due to posting abt the lore on Twitter

[zenith perch]

Watch the next actual event be super lore heavy

[spiral mica]

Ghostface will drop in a few days and any semblance of a story this game had will be swept away

[spiral mica]

See I'd want to be optimistic but it doesn't make sense why a story was completely cut this time around

[zenith perch]

I still have hope that all the lore is gonna be added into a better compendium later

They just wanted to ship out the map

[spiral mica]

They had a story for Scorched earth and just decided to cut it now? Then adding it later on with a gap in between events?

It really just doesn't make much sense to me

[zenith perch]

Idk, I don't know the plans they have

But thats just my thought

[zenith perch]

I'm really trying to understand this point of view, but I just don't understand it

[raw gust]

I feel like they would have mentioned it like the maps instead of pointedly ignoring it if that was the case

[spiral mica]

the way I see it is they're just not going to have as much of a focus on the lore as they used to and future events will solely feature new weapons, equipment and cosmetics

[ocean linden]

Maybe not as much lore this time because shorter event? Or because it’s more Halloween related? Or maybe they have something planned with reintroducing the old maps

[zenith perch]

That was my thoughts exactly

[granite shard]

I mean the most likely possibility is that they’re axing the narrative bc leadership doesn’t see it as important to the game

Like, they got rid of the book of weapons and ability to see hunter backstories

It’s not the answer anybody really wants, and it’s going to hurt the game in the long run, but it’s the most likely scenario

[ocean linden]

I’m not sure it will hurt the game. Not many people care about the lore in my experience

Out of the people I play with, 2 do

Well 3 if you include me

[zenith perch]

Let's be honest, the relaunched was rushed. What I think is that the lore took a back seat as they continue to update the old maps and once everything is done it will be added back in hopefully

[granite shard]

I mean like, it’s going to hurt the game in ways that we’re seeing with ghost face

[ocean linden]

I know that’s just personal experience but eh

[granite shard]

You lose a narrative backbone and more stuff starts slipping

[ocean linden]

The lore honestly has been botched since the moon trilogy

It got a bit better during tides but moon trilogy was just

[zenith perch]

Again, I'm not really understanding the view point that Ghost Face is gonna hurt the game

[granite shard]

I love the moon trilogy

[ocean linden]

The writing just wasn’t great during it IMHO. And it jumped around all over the place

[granite shard]

Like the issue is the moon trilogy was experimental

[zenith perch]

The fact that there even was a crossover to begin with shows that the game is gaining attention

[ocean linden]

Tides was at least more cohesive

[raw gust]

Honestly feels true to me. There was still some good stuff here and there but the retcons and new lore format left a bad taste in my mouth.

[granite shard]

They solidified a really solid form for the narrative presentation w tide of shadows but w the moon trilogy you can see them experimenting w how to best tell a more serialized story

[ocean linden]

Chary anime dodging bullets was just too much

[granite shard]

Like that led to an underwhelming narrative finale w Devil’s moon as it went from the more structured story of serpent’s moon to the more traditional hunt lore delivery

[ocean linden]

I felt like Moon wasn’t as grounded

[granite shard]

But I really like the characters introduced in the moon trilogy and also the overarching story

[ocean linden]

Sure, you could say zombies and hives and big babies that spawn leeches aren’t grounded but there was just a bit too much hands on with the supernatural in moon trilogy?

[granite shard]

Not really, I think it expands the world in an interesting way

[ocean linden]

Might have something to do with how it was presented and how much was introduced

[raw gust]

I feel like there was plenty of supernatural stuff before but it was left more in the shadows before Moon

[ocean linden]

Exactly

[raw gust]

Which is an issue of presentation, not direction imo

[granite shard]

And the idea of humans reaching to other supernatural things in an attempt to beat the sculptor makes sense

[restive patrol]

I personally didn't like it cause it just dropped stuff in without any explanation, like the Moon is suddenly alive or these random pacts came up rather than using the factions that were in lore before.

[ocean linden]

It was there but clouded by uncertainty

[ocean linden]

Yep, exactly my problem

[restive patrol]

Imo, they could've built up to that point, but them suddenly appearing? It was too jarring imo

[ocean linden]

[granite shard]

None of the existing factions really would have made sense in the setup for the moon trilogy

And also they did utilize them with the night of the hunter falling in with chary

And the bone doctor’s group also falling in with Kevin

[restive patrol]

I said "built up to that point". Chary came out of left field and Night of the Hunter is barely utilized, with it seemingly disbanded now with that one charm from Scorched Earth, with no explanation

[granite shard]

Chary I don’t think came out of left field

I think his build up was one of the more interesting things hunt had done

Starting w the chary contracts, then the dark tribute, all leading up to traitor’s moon

[ocean linden]

Chary was fine but he was just a bit too much

[granite shard]

I was neutral on chary up until tide of corruption when I became really sold on him

His chapters were just so much fun to read and listen to

[ocean linden]

Devilish bargain dude is a great idea, but not one that dodges bullets

[granite shard]

He’s just a silly little guy committing atrocities

[ocean linden]

Like Lynch was obviously supernatural in some way, but how much was left up to speculation

[granite shard]

It’s not left up to speculation lol

She’s a witch

[ocean linden]

Key word was

[granite shard]

Okay but her being a witch and them expanding on the supernatural on that is interesting and moving things forward

[ocean linden]

And how much supernatural power came from being a witch

I agree but they did it too fast

It didn’t fit the pre established tone

[granite shard]

Really disagree, I think the mako entries were some of the best lore entires we’ve gotten period

[ocean linden]

It went from low fantasy gritty gothic horror to more magical gothic horror

[granite shard]

Like they meshed strong character work in with expanding the lore of both the witch hunter’s backstory and lynch

[ocean linden]

I do think the tides trilogy was much better paced

[granite shard]

The tides trilogy was better paced bc they had done the experimentation of the moon trilogy

[ocean linden]

True

[granite shard]

I just think that people are like super harsh on the moon trilogy bc a lot of its stumbling blocks come down to the formatting of it, and also in a lot of ways it’s told like a dime story (which we get direct confirmation of in Devil’s moon w the dime story excerpts) so stuff is over the top

But, idk, I just think that people write it off really fast and ignore the good parts abt it

It has its problems but serpent’s moon might be one of my favorite event stories

[rare dirge]

moons had the best skins in it

and serpents moon had such a fun gimmick to it

i do need to go back and reread the story in it though

[granite shard]

It’s worth the reread, Kevin getting snakes pulled out of him is wild

[faint nimbus]

moons also had the best event gimmicks the snake ovens the weird moon totems and skull nests from traitors moon and just the inferno itself

also the devil moon obelisks are what I always associate event totems with in my mind

[spiral mica]

Kevin is a snake dispenser

[orchid tangle]

I remember when people were complaining the snake ovens would just be sniper camped the entire game
hunters back then could not mentally handle center map event supply points

[spiral mica]

Also the audio during Devil's moon with Chary experimenting on Mary is really disturbing

[manic lichen]

God damn I am SO fucking happy we done with event totems.
Noisy ass motherfuckers.

[deft storm]

different sensibilities than before....Chary's the same Devilish Bargain cliche they were mocking back in that Ricky Morty episode. It's fun for a comedy, but the idea is a joke now

[spiral mica]

I'd say it's a common trope but I wouldn't say it's a complete joke

[real cedar]

Further, a universe that wants to be immersed in 19th century gothic horror is going to bring up Faustian bargains. Playing it straight might not land with modern audiences, but to hell with them.

[spiral mica]

anybody notice these moyai looking rocks throughout mammon's gulch? this one is near deadfall but there's another in between la plata and oro where hellborn can spawn.

this is probably akin to looking at a cloud and thinking it's shaped a certain way but I totally see a moyai face here

[lunar sky]

🗿

[deft storm]

wait which way is playing it straight here

[real cedar]

Not playing it as a joke

[deft storm]

hunt has a good metaphorical deal with the devil anyway, with the hunters trading their longevity and sanity (at the least) for bounty cash (at the least). Fair enough if people enjoy Ray Bradbury's Mr. Dark archetype in other things, but it's a letdown to see the whimsical fantasy type ideas paired up with hunt's serious paranoia and body horror

and oh yeah WAAAZZZAAAAPPP

[rotund ferry]

Watching H. H. Holmes documentary, I wouldn't be surprised having him as "The first Ghostface" in this AU,

The White Devil made his whole hotel his murder box with sadistic architectures, hidden with 200+ corpses.

Looking at the Judge with his pair of pale black orbs, "I was born with the devil in me, I could not help the fact that I was a murderer, no more than the poet can help the inspiration to sing."

[real cedar]

"We wrote two paragraphs of lore to justify it so suck it up lmao. We're gonna keep doing it, too."

[granite shard]

Thanks I hate it 🙃

“Seamlessly”

[native marlin]

devs do not enjoy being told theyre wrong, kinda like a parent