lore-discussion

[iron estuary]

i just realized there is even a unicode symbol for it: ᛙ

meaning "man"

the lower part is ᚦ or N, meaning "thorn"

[real cedar]

Nice digging 💪

[iron estuary]

thanks, appreciate it

[real cedar]

Are there any other tattoos on him you can get a good image of? Best way to see the back of the hands is looking down with a first aid kit for the left and inspecting a throwing axe for the right. For the sleeves, inspecting while holding only fists will reveal a bit more of the forearms.
If I can get a good look at those beast tattoos I can probably find exactly what manuscript they came from.

Hot damn look at this beauty

Prescient is also one of the boosted hunters for this event, maybe she's going to show up in the lore?

[granite shard]

man that's pretty

I'd love to see more of her

her being tied to the pact of omens specifically is interesting

god what if we get her as a narrator

[real cedar]

Aside from the conversion skin - which I found a frame that calls it Honor's Gift - they also showed off:
-a new centennial shorty silencer which appears to use the same textures as Undertaker's Song silenced verterli and Funeral Dirge bornheim.

Potentially three new legendaries - a sparks rifle in the same japanese style, what appears to be a legendary beartrap, and maybe a new stamina shot if I'm not hallucinating?

[granite shard]

one day the centennial shorty silencer will get a skin that's not the same texture as another skin

and yeah that stam shot is new

[real cedar]

I like the new legendary asset bundle style, they get to put out more skins so the chances that you get something cool for a gun you like is higher. Also the fashion combos are fun

Vetterli Silenced + Cenny silenced will definitely be played cause of the skin choice

[granite shard]

I don't dislike the bundles but I would prefer the gun have a unique legendary

[real cedar]

Oh hell yeah, I can definitely find those

[iron estuary]

my pleasure

last one, note that its a fish or something

or maybe not

it seems to have a tongue

an eel, maybe?

who knows

[noble scarab]

Kinda wild that they’re reusing designs

They did it for the centennial in the last pass too

[zenith perch]

Kinda hoped that there was gonna be another pistol in that design. (I missed Funeral Dirge)

[amber harbor]

I think there was a rumour that one of the devs put it in for the sole reason that he thought vapes are stupid

[granite shard]

goated if real

[spiral mica]

one day krag sniper will actually get a skin

[raw gust]

And it will cost 1200bb

[spiral mica]

honestly if it looks as good as other sniper skins like Seven sights and Hailstorm I'd probably buy it

[noble scarab]

The sparks has the councils verdict now too, lots of good skins to pick from

[faint nimbus]

I wonder what hunters will fit into the pact of omens thematically

[granite shard]

It’s possible the night acolyte, based off of last event’s charm

Tho w the prescient being tied to it in the latest dev update, that feels less likely

[real cedar]

The Prescient, Night Seer, Night Acolyte, The Archaeologist, Silver Spur

[orchid tangle]

I mean the dude whose making all the new technology through discovery of magic voodoo is harvest so I'm not thinking too hard on their pacts appearances

[granite shard]

I don’t see the prescient and night acolyte/seer being on the same side again after serpent’s moon

[real cedar]

I think it's more likely, The Prescient and Night Seer might be fighting but it seems like the Night Acyolyte is rethinking the Night of the Hunter thing cause their apocalypse failed to happen

[faint nimbus]

Wilderness is just a mishmash of primal and grounded together so all hunters under those two got folded is pact of omens a mix of any other pacts? I’ve been trying to think cause they kind of remind me of demented but not enough

[granite shard]

I’d give you acolyte then, but I don’t see the seer being in the same pact as the prescient

[spiral mica]

Best description of wilderness tbh

[lucid anvil]

Hey! Yall taken a look at the voynich on the dark dynamite yet?

Don’t have time to do it myself, but I thought you lot might be able to get something out of it :]

[real cedar]

I tried one strand and it seemed like gibberish for flavor.
It's interesting in the videos and promo images where it makes it seem like voynich is flowing from the satchel. Maybe there's some deeper connection between the script and the dark sight occultism? Something beyond just being a secret cipher for a secret organization

[noble scarab]

I think it’s become their “magic language” as opposed to just a cipher

[high stone]

I really wish you could set down BDBs and just…shoot them.

Not sure what I’m supposed to think about that dark dynamite

[warm quartz]

Pact of omens
No, I don't see seer being in the same pact as the prescient

You don't see it because you're probably doing prescient cosplay right now

[granite shard]

The prescient hates the night seer and had been part of his cult before seeing that he was gonna do insane shit and so she betrayed him

And then he sided w chary and tried to kill her

Like her entire character backstory is “oh yeah she doesn’t like the night of the hunter cult anymore” so I can see acolyte losing faith and doing something else but I do not see the prescient teaming up w the night seer

[warm quartz]

Oh, I thought we're talking about new seer character

We gotta start numbering them

Seer#1 for Powell and Seer#2 for new one

[granite shard]

I also doubt she’s gonna be in the pact of omens since she was set up as opposing pumpkin guy tbh

I thought that was gonna be her pact at first and now I’m second guessing that, but we’ll see

[warm quartz]

Also is it just me or does new weeb character have the trailer guy's face

I think I can see the moustache

[high stone]

WHICH weeb character

[acoustic whale]

current lore just keeps revolving around characters and nothing actually new or important regarding the story of sculptor or the reasons behind the infections etc

[high stone]

Yeah…just soap opera stuff, unfortunately

[orchid tangle]

this event I just hope the characters that're introduced matter

last even we couldn't introduce Shade as a character coz butchers cleaver needs to do nothing for 5 chapters

[honest tulip]

Please don't DM me.

[elder jetty]

It's literally in their about info 😅

[real dove]

Please don't ping staff unless they are active in chat.

[real dove]

Dming <@&792845835855200267> will get you in contact with a CM as well, just have to say you want to be put in contact, may be faster than DMing them directly :)

[warm quartz]

New kendo swordsman

Duh

[faint nimbus]

Do the pact boxes have an official name? In lore or otherwise cause I just randomly got hit with the thought of not knowing what to call them

[native marlin]

i think i have actually heard them say something, but i cant remember what they said

[granite shard]

no BP story (::::

[restive patrol]

well that's reassuring to say the least 🤦‍♂️ . Not to mention the lack of coherence between any of the skins in the pass.

[granite shard]

safe to say any narrative in hunt is dead at this point

fucking frustrating

I know this is just the gaming industry at this point but jesus christ man

ah and now we have literally little red riding hood in the game

[native marlin]

i really hope this isnt a recurring thing, and they bring the book back, i know lore isnt the focus of hunt, but it being there adds so much to everything

[granite shard]

I don't want to be a bummer but I don't think you should expect lore to return any time soon

like even if they do see the demand for its return

it's going to take several months in the pipeline for stuff to be made. and that's also dependent on them going "yes I do actually like the invisible value this provides and the no immediate visible value of it"

[native marlin]

tbf, i dont think they started the recoming of the book right now, i assumed they went to port it over to 1896, and ran out of time/ focused on other things, so i doubt its fully starting now yknow what i mean?

[granite shard]

they never said they were bringing it back to the game

they said they wanted to make a new progression system

[native marlin]

not the book, but no way theyre gonna throw away all that lore right?

[granite shard]

well

they apparently did

[native marlin]

so id hope it comes back in some form

[granite shard]

I'm sorry but this is what I've been saying for a while, they've had layoffs in the already small narrative team and have had zero response to any form of people asking for an official archive or any word on the future of hunt's narrative going forward

we can't even view bios for legendary hunters we already own

the narrative is effectively dead at this point and it fucking sucks man

[real dove]

Yep

[granite shard]

this is happening in every FPS game rn but no other game has just fully nuked the lore like hunt has

even in fucking overwatch you can still go back to winston's computer and see the shit they posted for PvE

there is NO official way to view the vast majority of the work that went into this game

[native marlin]

i 100% see what you mean, and yes it currently is, but the devs have never been the best at communicating, im still holding out hope for this stuff to come back in some form, like they left the spear how it was forever, nerfed it ever so slightly, and finally really hampered it today, without a bit of communication about it

[granite shard]

I understand that, but with the layoffs and the trend in gaming I do not want you to get your hopes up

like the biggest hope had been that battle passes requirre padding, and lore was 15 levels of easy padding, so they would continue the BP lore

but they have now removed that

dude this just fucking sucks man I hate being a downer about things but I just can't find a single positive abt this

[native marlin]

for sure, but they may have removed it bc people were complaining, bc 90% of people dont care so it felt like padding, who knows

its ok to be a downer, it sucks, there isnt anything positive, the positive is it can be better in the future

[real dove]

They could have easily added a weapon crate or HD to the lore levels and kept everyone happy

[native marlin]

for sure, but with crytek, sometimes they dont consider all posibilities

sometimes they overcorrect based on feedback, and thats what im HOPING happened

obv i dont know, maybe theyre happy all lore is gone, but its my hope

[real cedar]

Another way to look at it - unless they've actually laid off their writers and shifted writing blurbs to their artists, they're busy doing something, which kept them from creating the usual 15 chapters for this event.
I said when the trailer first dropped that I hoped this event didn't have a story and I'll stick by it. Trying to weave this weird stuff into a core narrative would be quite a feat.

[native marlin]

i feel if you cant weave it into the core, thats probably a good sign you shouldnt do it, like if its SO out there, in this magical filed world, that it cant be explained, thats prob a bad sign

[granite shard]

there has been layoffs on the already small writing team

I believe rn it’s down to like one regular writer and an editor

[native marlin]

i dont know what their crew it like, but i really hope thats not true/temporary for some stupid reason

[granite shard]

I mean it could be temporary but I know that it’s true lol

[native marlin]

ill hope its temporary then, like sure one person can do all the lore, but that just would show a complete lack of care

[granite shard]

Yeah, idk I feel like shit being a doomer abt this stuff but like from what I’ve seen there’s not really a lot of hope for the future of stuff

[native marlin]

best i can hope is the lore was removed for some temporary reason, like people complaining, or maybe bc its a halloween silly time, but if it doesnt change id be so sad

[granite shard]

I think the only reason we even got scorched earth stuff was bc it was already written

It just feels so fucking awful seeing the amount of work put into the story for this game and seeing crytek just completely toss it out

And slash the narrative team

[native marlin]

yea thats trash, i get its not common to care about it, but it makes the game feel so much more hollow

[granite shard]

The lack of any response on a desire for an official archive also is just

It just sucks

[orchid tangle]

WHAT

that was like half the reason I was excited for today

[granite shard]

🙃🙃🙃

[native marlin]

yea, i never got why it just got taken out, even if it was just left in a tab hidden in the settings, its still SOMEWHERE

[granite shard]

Weird sister has a girlfriend now at least

This event we get:
pumpkin guy
Pumpkin guy
Pumpkin guy
Just some dude who likes kendo
Literally little red riding hood
Weird sister’s girlfriend

[sterile sonnet]

Little Red Riding Hood is cool actually

[granite shard]

Her being literally little red riding hood is not cool tho

[real dove]

I'm shipping her with lonely

[orchid tangle]

I mean it was a bit clear the scorched earth story was just supposed to be hellborns book of monsters, because all the non related to him stuff was useless, we got like 0 actual info out of butchers cleaver and beekeeper walking around.

I feel I'm already a bit critical on crytek but it does get hard to want to defend them a lot, if we gotta allocate resources from the writers to other stuff why isn't the other stuff improving, we still got like 3 year old bugs around.

I do like the riding hoods appearance but it is a bit silly it's just her

[real dove]

Agreed, model is cool, lore is not

[orchid tangle]

and again it's just one of those hunters that's like "random thing happened in their life and now they're CRAZY and a MASTER legendary gunslinger without having even touched a gun in said story"

[warm quartz]

Wow I really like her

Finally some setting appropriate skin

[orchid tangle]

I think night mother and mama maye would be good friends

[warm quartz]

What part of lonely do you not understand

[real dove]

He was hanging out with felis and it's a ship, not canon.

[granite shard]

Yeah I agree. Like it’s hard to give like an in depth sort of backstory to someone when you only have like a tweet’s length to work with

But man

[real dove]

This is like, all the legendaries tho lol

[orchid tangle]

and it drives me crazy

but

then they do the OPPOSITE

statesman, who you'd think would be like the john wick of the bayou, and then he's actually really bad at everyting lol

[real dove]

Nah man he's just the middleman

Man has soft hands just look at him

[warm quartz]

He is some kind of bandit cleaner, not swamp dweller

[real dove]

He's just hardins sugardaddy

[warm quartz]

In a gun fight he holds his own

[lucid anvil]

XD

[orchid tangle]

yeah but he got introduced with such authority, he was killing hunters left and right with hardin in his teaser, they explained it like he was out to raise an army, then he gets insta kidnapped and just throws temper tantrums at the crazies

[warm quartz]

Which was part of his plan apparently

[granite shard]

Tbf he worked his way around the kidnapping

[orchid tangle]

he let hardin be cool though, it was really fun to envision hardin shooting people off the tower into rotjaw water

[real dove]

With money

Cause he's nothing but wealth

[orchid tangle]

he brought us the cleanest skins at least

[real dove]

I'll give him that

[warm quartz]

Nah, it's full of holes

[real dove]

I do love his skins

[warm quartz]

They really dropped skin quality

[orchid tangle]

I thought the centipedes skins were ugly

but I like clean gold stuff, even if we're out in a gross bayou, and now a mountain

[real dove]

I'm not one for shiny gold but they did a good job with his

Esp with the tarnish

[granite shard]

His stuff was nice yeah

Centipede’s were just too samey

[orchid tangle]

I haven't launched hunt yet and don't tell me let me have christmas eve child hope but I'm praying the skins aren't samey and for random guns this time like they were last event

[warm quartz]

I'm gonna post them as soon as the game loads

[orchid tangle]

I'm only on 46%

[lucid anvil]

It certainly looks bleak for the Lore. I’m hoping they’re just working on something big like Rai said. It’s really not that long since last event, and there’s been occasions where things haven’t shipped with events because there’s so little time between them.

[orchid tangle]

damn uni internet

[granite shard]

Well…

[orchid tangle]

fan fiction contest, best fan fic gets put in the game, what could go wrong!

[lucid anvil]

Look back to desolations wake. No song with that one, which I assume is Because it was so soon after the last one.

[orchid tangle]

are you gonna crush a christmas eve childs hope smalls

[granite shard]

Unfortunately yes

There’s also no changes to burn speeds

[warm quartz]

I think they'd release a book by now

[real cedar]

An Acquired Taste was DW's song, wasn't it?

[native marlin]

hell yea

[orchid tangle]

they finally start adding my civil war guns, and then they stop giving skins to the new guns

wahhifhe

[lucid anvil]

Ah- was it? My apologies, I must’ve made a mistake

[real dove]

They've not dropped skins with event guns since like, the starts

[real cedar]

It's odd that neither the hunters or skins are listed in the patch notes

[orchid tangle]

it was 30 minutes 2 seconds ago...

[warm quartz]

They'd probably be signed like "EPIC hunter skin pumpkinheadman"

So I'm fine with that

[real cedar]

That's what I was hoping for, so I could fill out the compendium as the update is downloading

[orchid tangle]

okay so if we're not getting lore please tell me they didn't pad those spaces with weird ammo types

[real dove]

Lol

[real cedar]

They probably just shortened the whole BP to like 30-something

[real dove]

It's 37

[orchid tangle]

damn

[real dove]

And it's full of lance ammo

:)

[orchid tangle]

I don't use lance

that sucks for me

[real dove]

You asked about ammo

[orchid tangle]

I'm just saying

[real dove]

Fair

[orchid tangle]

this pass isn't really for me

except the maynard, I'll insta take that thing into the fucking one compound mode

that'll go well

[round star]

The skins looked so cool in the trailer and it looked Like she has a black Hood. Seeing her beeing a fairytale Chara feels indeed weird.

Btw why does ist say 1260bb on the right but on the picture 900bb? Any Idea.

[orchid tangle]

they're scamming you 😡

[real cedar]

It's a bundle, you get both versions but with a discount

[round star]

Oh i see thank you

[warm quartz]

OK, first we have mister poopy pants here

Starting off great, with this reused asset schodfield

Or should I say "same-themed"

Fusees for our favorite mexacan homunculus

[warm quartz]

Well, it's still same texture as another skin so it doesn't count

[granite shard]

yeah, we knew that was happening which is why I said that

[warm quartz]

Teethflowers

Guy gets freakier

More teeth, at least pentient gets mentioned

Uh, homunculus themed ammo box for Sofia

Weird

Nothing interesting here

I'm starting to get sick of it

[orchid tangle]

I looked at them a minute ago... not pleased... amazing new trueshot skin, at least

[warm quartz]

New weeb

Ancient japanese syringe

"Honor's gift"

For a guy who stabbed his employer?

He probably looted it off him

Japanese trap

Apparently 1903 is just a number, in this timeline slate shotguns are ancient

Finally, a good looking weapon in this battlepass and it's crossbow deadeye

Themed after prodigal son, given to Carter

Oh wow, original AND cool looking

No wonder Hardin was worried about feeding seven men through the winter, they get freaky in the swamps

Bones stolen from Cain? Wonder what it means

Can't believe he killed his baby

Overzealous hunters? Reverend's folk?

Anyway, that's it

Meh, if you ask me

[real dove]

I dig the bone stuff

[warm quartz]

yeah, at least it's originally themed

[real dove]

Reaper charm is neat but eh on the charms

to much visual noise on weapons for me

[orchid tangle]

I m ean to me it's just... if you were gonna take from an existing skin... the undertakers song? really?

and whatever the bornheim is

[real dove]

Also a fan of them tagging hunters to weapons and stuff

[orchid tangle]

I would've been chill if it was all just bone stuff

[granite shard]

none of the battle pass is really exciting this time around really

the peacock pistol is pretty

[real dove]

I like the truama

[orchid tangle]

the real nice skin stuff is in the BB shop

[real dove]

a lOT

[orchid tangle]

that knuckle knife and trueshot are S tier

[real dove]

skulls for the win

[warm quartz]

Now for non-event stuff

[sinful warren]

on the new pax

[warm quartz]

Oh, he DOES get actually gifted weapons?

[orchid tangle]

well... it's private eyes pistol now, in my books

[warm quartz]

Yay, little Perchta

[real cedar]

I wonder if that's a reference to Revenant/Bad Hand?

[real dove]

where did she find small goat skull

and I think so

for badhand

[warm quartz]

Likely

But we get hunters popping up everywhere now

[orchid tangle]

you're stepping on small goats all the time you're just too focused on clues and bounties to see them

[real dove]

to be a charm that's like, the tiniest goat to have ever existed

[orchid tangle]

oh damn

they put his whole damn faceo nit

[granite shard]

that's...

[real dove]

lol

[granite shard]

a decision

[real dove]

should have just put his mustache on it

and only his mustache

[orchid tangle]

if I had to put a person on it for a sheriff I probably would've put lady justice on it but I'm not a group of people in new orleans circca 1888

[real cedar]

That really is a nice looking skin, I'll probably grab it once it's on sale.
Going through prestiges means I don't use the trueshot too much but once I'm out of the grind I'll for sure run it a lot

[lucid anvil]

Saw this sign, thought it was interesting to find on gulch. Probably a hunter taking a momento or something

[real cedar]

There's a whole wagon full of bayou signs on the bridge south of La Plata

Reminds me a bit of that wheelbarrow full of sound trap sticks

[lucid anvil]

Mhm. Cool to see the spear being used as environmental decoration I think.

[warm quartz]

I have no strong feelings about it one way or another

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-sheen-in-heat-horny-gif-12060452

[green pollen]

I NEED THE SKULL CENTENNIAL I NEED IT

[faint nimbus]

I’m a little disappointed in the funeral dirge 1 to 1 skins in the battle pass

the vaquero skins have a bit more going for them but not a lot

[granite shard]

yeah it's

uhhhh Not Great

[faint nimbus]

I really hope this isn’t a trend for all battle pass’s and just skins in general going forward

[granite shard]

looking at the last three battle passes...

[faint nimbus]

Half of the battle pass being the same skin is really gonna make me start not wanting them

[granite shard]

but don't you want three separate versions of mr pumpkin head?

[faint nimbus]

even the dlc’s might get this treatment if silver spur is any indicator

[faint nimbus]

The wolf lady and the seer should’ve been in the bp instead

At least these mediocre skins have some lore to dig into the ones from the last event had nothing

The candy man sounds interesting

[granite shard]

yeah the ones that tie into characters are nice

I like that the mama maye charm calls back to tide of corruption

[faint nimbus]

the frau perchta charm is just kind of funny to me

the dusk one just being her mask even with the fur

[spiral mica]

It's literally her head with a third eye

and yeah I'm not too crazy about all the skins that are just textures of another skin

[real dove]

I dont mind if they are themed the same

but also not a fan of the copy paste :/

I love the bone stuff

[faint nimbus]

with the last battle pass the skins and the same level of sameness but at least they were mostly unique to the battle pass this event they’re just existing skins from the blood bond store

But I do really like the bone and kendoka stuff

[granite shard]

the new things are nice

the peacock skin is fantastic

[faint nimbus]

I finally have more weapons to flush out my ronins loudout

[granite shard]

but like the BB reskins are... ugh

[spiral mica]

the original was a bornheim from devil's moon and I remember it needing to be bought to fully complete the event checklist

the Japanese stuff looks great though

[mint wind]

Which ones ?

[faint nimbus]

maybe if they still have the skin ratings in the surveys they will change them

[spiral mica]

and that Centennial trauma looks cool too

[faint nimbus]

I mean on one hand more stuff in the battle pass on the other hand no lore chapters

[mint wind]

Not much need for lore this time ig.

[granite shard]

like the vaquero ones and stuff

[mint wind]

?

[granite shard]

it's like how last event had skins riffing on the trapper's dlc skins

[mint wind]

I'm a bit confused, not sure I get what you mean.

[granite shard]

like these

[spiral mica]

His name is "Kendoka" and he literally does Kendo

[faint nimbus]

if they’re gonna do skin remix’s at least do them for themes that don’t already have like 3 weapons do something for the old old dlc hunters with no tied weapons

[granite shard]

they're using the assets and skin bases from existing blood bond skin themes and just padding out the BP w them

reskin probably isn't the right term for it but like that's what I mean lol

[spiral mica]

I'm thinking someone at Crytek really liked that Funeral Dirge Bornheim skin and was like "let's do more."

[faint nimbus]

Weird tangent but recently another games been doing this exact same thing. Apex legends has been having any skin releases from the battle pass to store ones just be the same skin on different items it used to be so much worse in the battle pass cause it was one skin on every single item

[granite shard]

honestly there's a trend in all live service fps games rn

[faint nimbus]

at least for apex they changed the battle pass and now are back to original skins but that’s only cause they changed the bp model to charge you twice as much

[granite shard]

overwatch fired a ton of artists so we've been getting a ton of recolors, apex has a ton of recolors or have every skin in an event follow the same exactly color theme and stuff

[spiral mica]

I also can't deny the whole Dios de lo muertos aesthetic that the Vaquero stuff has is really cool

[granite shard]

and also all of them have fired good portions of the narrative team

like none of these things are unique problems to hunt but jesus it sucks seeing hunt get hit by it so hard

[mint wind]

While I can see the issue with the red and white paint, it feels unfair to call "reskin" or whatever for the Vaquero themed ones. They already require more work in, and it can be just a nice way to have some more stuff about them. I understand why it can be a bit annoying, but it ain't as lazy as you think.

if I'm not mistaking what you say too much

[granite shard]

The throng is they have the base texture assets already made

Like yes they have to plan out where to put them but it’s a labor saving method to reuse those assets instead of having to come up with wholly new ones

[spiral mica]

The base asset is that the skin is primarily orange with a white and brown undertone and it has the image of a skeleton reaching out with it's hand

It is most certainly a texture reused

The Vaquero and Centipede stuff are in the same boat

[granite shard]

It’s just kinda another straw on the camel’s back that adds up for me— like having themed weapons are cool but when they’re most of what we get in the BP it feels bad

[zenith perch]

The Japanese skins will be great for Ronin and Shrine Maiden

[spiral mica]

Yeah the new Japanese guy doesn't look half bad

[faint nimbus]

Ok actually the crossbow dead eye skin confuses me so much

It said that it’s from Carter to rednwck but it’s covered in the prodigal sons gear

[zenith perch]

The new done stuff goes so well with demented hunters

[faint nimbus]

Like 1 to 1 this is just his drilling skin

[zenith perch]

(Morrigan and Midian especially for me)

[orchid tangle]

I think that's silly, We've moved to a whole new state, they can bring in literally anything, a whole new storyline or event going on that's been going on in the mountains away from the bayou.

a game like hunt should really get it's creativeness flowing when they're doing a halloween themed event

[granite shard]

Also like, there was the potential for a cool storyline with someone figuring out how to weaponize darksight

Yes it’s a Halloween event but that doesn’t mean they didn’t have any potential story direction

[faint nimbus]

this event just makes me sad I missed half of tide of corruption

[real dove]

I was hella hype for new darksight info

[orchid tangle]

Yeah, it didn't spark too much confidence that the man who learned how to weaponize it was a shirtless guy with a pumpkin helmet but it feels like a major lore point

[zenith perch]

I can be extra fishy with Gar and the Bomb Lance Harpoons

[faint nimbus]

What pact even is the kendoka?

[granite shard]

new hunters don't come pre pledged to pacts anymore I believe so

none of them lol

[warm quartz]

They are selling Red Hood twice

[real dove]

to be fair, as soon as she was announced a LOT of people wanted wolf headless version

and she's better (imo) than shank and stab

i cant recall what his other form was

[granite shard]

idk, she's like a side step to him

the wolf head is different but the outfit doesn't change at all to my knowledge

[real dove]

chuh

just saying its not a new trend

[granite shard]

well

it is a new trend

since the engine update :p

[real dove]

well yeah

you know what I mean tho

first we got male/female versions of pop hunters

[granite shard]

yeah I think it's just a good thing to point out the kinda scummy practice going on w this

[real dove]

now we get skins that aren't really that distinct but going for 900 each

I love hood

and im buying her, lore issues or not

but

concerning

[orchid tangle]

I'm more annoyed about them trying to bait you into buying the bundle as if you're buying the one skin

[faint nimbus]

Wrong channel but still I think that the brood hunters originally being a 2000 bb skin was the start of the trend

[real dove]

i forgot about them

yeah you right

tho

tbf they are very distinctly different

[granite shard]

at least they were significantly different!

[real dove]

yea

[granite shard]

it's like frau perchta as well-- two completely different skins

[real dove]

viper

honestly they didnt have a lot of change either

it was just the face covering/snake, right?

[granite shard]

their outfit also got more stuff as they went along

like they weren't super different but were marketed as an evolving skin and did genuinely fit that

and also weren't sold as a standalone

[real dove]

ja

I was just thinking of multi version hunters

and Viper has the most

[faint nimbus]

the trappers were also evolving hunters weren’t they?

And scourge and midian

Those never made sense to me cause they just were two different characters

[real dove]

nah

[granite shard]

scourge and midian were, I forget if buckshot and snare shared a spot or if they were two separate ones

[real dove]

oh

[faint nimbus]

I could’ve sworn they were but idk I got them after the engine update

[granite shard]

yeah I can't remember

[real dove]

imo they were separate tho I know they were put together

[granite shard]

I never really used them lol

[real dove]

they were

I use the fuck outta my queen

i dont have buckshot but they were as well

"evolving"

swappable idk the term

but they were also VERY different

so they get a pass from me

gronk and shank were clones with minimal differences

(imo)

[zenith perch]

One was clean and one was dirty

[raw gust]

They look exactly the same to me. The main difference I noticed is that one has a few more straps that you can't really see at a distance

[sleek sphinx]

the eyeholes were the only main diff tbh

[granite shard]

yeah grotesque might be the worst of the worst

I think red riding hood is only a little bit better bc she's at least cute

but even then I don't think her design is all that inspired

[iron coral]

damn, I insta bought red hood, but I'm sad I can't read the lore

[zenith perch]

Hood or Wolf tho

[granite shard]

@iron coral you can read it here

[iron coral]

big red riding hood

will do

[sleek sphinx]

did the previous halloween skins tie into the lore more?

or are holiday skins always kinda wack

[orchid tangle]

they just weren't straight up premade legends

[real dove]

Headsman? Mama Maye? MM did

she was in an event even

[sleek sphinx]

I forgot about her lol

[orchid tangle]

riding hood isn't even a halloween legend lol idk why shes a halloween hunter

[granite shard]

red riding hood is also less of a halloween thing

[sleek sphinx]

true true

[granite shard]

I think this is the issue that rai brought up the other day

[real dove]

mm wasnt really halloween either

imo at least

[granite shard]

where it's like "well we have a plague doctor so let's do a headsman, so now let's do santa, so now let's do--"

and w/o the backbone of lore it's easy to go "okay so let's do little red riding hood"

[orchid tangle]

I vibe with the just bloody hands tho

wish her right hand was also just normal and bloody

[zenith perch]

Confirms wild boss coming

Wolf

[granite shard]

Is that knuckle knife new?

[brazen root]

yep

in the store for BBs

[granite shard]

Damn, I really like it

[brazen root]

yep, its pretty noice. There's a new trueshot skin too

[real cedar]

I really like most of the gold skins they come up with, they're all gorgeous

[granite shard]

Maybe i’ll stop being a dusters gamer and use knuckle knives now since that’s so clean

I’m not a big fan of the Hardin trueshot skin

I do not enjoy him staring at me when I ADS

[real cedar]

judging every shot

[brazen root]

it's not just red riding hood, it's a wonderful addition to the roster of furry hunters

[orchid tangle]

that is exactly what I've done

[granite shard]

I mean her lore is literally just little red riding hood

like she is not meant to be anything but The Actual Little Red Riding Hood

[brazen root]

"From the grateful people of New Orleans, APR 1888"

what did hardin do for the people of new orleans in april 1888?

[granite shard]

might be the year he became sheriff

[real cedar]

He would've been working as a cop for 2 years at that point. He became sheriff in '93

[granite shard]

I'm a fraud

[orchid tangle]

he probably didn't do anyhting huge

just a good service for his time there

[faint nimbus]

I think out of all the new hunters I like the night mother the best

I didn’t get a chance to read her lore before I bought her

[misty falcon]

hey guys

i am trying to buy the blood bonds for the battle pass, but whenever i hit the purchase button, the game says "transaction not possible"

[brazen root]

Man if we had gotten lore this season we would have gotten dark sight lore

[real dove]

I KNOW RIGHT

[spiral mica]

I noticed this too

[real dove]

I was like, actually hype to have Darksight lore

[spiral mica]

says Carter sold it to Redneck but it looks like it belongs or belonged to Prodigal son

[real dove]

the sofia skinned ammo crate is also clearly valgueros

so

theres some really odd skin-hunter combos with this

[spiral mica]

Well seeing as Sofia and Vaquero are both Mexican is makes sense but yeah

[orchid tangle]

it was her godfather or something, everything in mexico is made with the same skull and flower pattern

[spiral mica]

It's very Dios de lo muertos

[real dove]

Yeah but looking at the other skin/hunter combos

[spiral mica]

I'm still waiting on a Santa Muerte hunter

[real dove]

feels like it was just kinda mashed on

[faint nimbus]

Why are there so many skins that people just gave to the red neck

Like the lemat carbine from devils moon that was WAAAAAYY too nice and fancy to be the rednecks

[real cedar]

Everyone likes the Redneck 🙂

[spiral mica]

Felis gives the most gifts and it appears that Redneck receives the most

So a bit of historical inaccuracy here. It says that this Slate was ornamented during the closing days of the Tokugawa Shogunate. However, the Slate is modeled after the Winchester model 1897 pump-action shotgun and the Tokugawa Shogunate ended in the year 1868 when Meiji Restorationists overthrew it and gave birth to Imperial Japan.

Now before anyone says anything I'm well aware that Hunt takes place in an alternative historical setting so I'm open to the possibility that the Winchester model 1897 pump-action shotgun or "Winfield Slate" was created in an earlier year.

[faint nimbus]

the earliest the slate could be is the 1893 model

But that still DOSENT mean it could’ve been there during the Tokugawa shogunate

Neither could kendkoa unless he’s like 60 plus

[spiral mica]

Yeah like I said Tokugawa Shogunate ended in 1868 so it doesn't add up

But again technology in hunt is kind of all over the place because we've got the Avtomat and Cyclone which are ww1 era weapons (i.e 1916-18)

[restive patrol]

Prob went to the slate to give it a skin, as cynical as that is. A springfield or 1865 carbine skin would have fit more but oh well

[faint nimbus]

the Springfield already has a Japanese skin

[real cedar]

I thought it was modeled after the 1893

[spiral mica]

Yep the Seinan

[real cedar]

It used to be called the Winfield 93 Slate didn't it

[restive patrol]

Yea, it's modeled after the 1893 Winchester, I believe the book of weapons mentions it's only for "black powder shells" too and stopped production after a few years, similar to when Winchester transitioned to the 97.

[real cedar]

Still a weird inconsistency. I'm assuming that Kendoka decorated the shotgun with stuff he collected later despite what it says

[spiral mica]

There is a 1893 yes but the model in hunt more resembles the 1897 trench model, especially the ripose variant which features heat shielding on the barrel and a rig for fixing a bayonet.
Now you cannot slam fire the Slate in hunt but realistically you'd be able to slam fire it. It could also be that it's a 1893 model with a bayonet rig attached but that would mean the heat shielding is purely cosmetic.

[faint nimbus]

Still a little disappointed none of the kendoka skins mention a relationship with either Miko or ronin I know that would be a little too all Japanese people know each other but like it would kinda make sense to have the 3 samurai-esque characters know each other

[granite shard]

tbh I'm glad they don't know each other

[orchid tangle]

only reason I get on them for these things is I remember them getting a little annoyed before about there being a group at crytek making sure the history is correct

[restive patrol]

Could just be a jury rigged version to fit onto an 1893, especially with how the heat shield is welded onto the barrel, compared to the more refined WW1 1897. There's a real world example of a 1893 trench gun, albeit modified in the modern day.

[granite shard]

if the lore's getting tossed out and there were layoffs it's also possible that there's no longer a desire for that

[spiral mica]

I am too, I initially thought Miko and Ronin would play a more crucial role during this event but I was mistaken and I'm also dissapointed characters like Kevin Linus (False Saint) have not been featured again since the Moon trilogy.

[faint nimbus]

Kevin I kind of understand cause he’s basically moon Jesus so they kind of have to shelf him unless the moon is back in the story

[spiral mica]

Which makes perfect sense. I don't want to appear as a "errm actually" kind of historian but I do notice these things and feel the need to point them out. However, it's understandable why they might just not put much stock in getting every single historical tidbit 100% accurate because that would take them more time.

[orchid tangle]

they chose a real bad time to toss out the lore

[real cedar]

I can't tell if the new fusee skin is the regular blue light or if it's more white. I was hoping for something spicier but eh

[spiral mica]

This was my thought after I observed the skin closer but again that still doesn't explain the seemingly unnecessary heat shielding on the barrel.

But I can chalk that up as "heat shielding looks cool on a slate"

again I'm not looking to critique them for historical inaccuracies just making simple observations

[faint nimbus]

heat shield was probably to visually differentiate the riposte from the slate

[spiral mica]

that too

some skins have added details to make them more unique from the default weapon

Like in all honesty I love the Reckoning but you likely wouldn't have a bullet satchel on the stock of one but instead just carry one or have a belt

so from an artistic standpoint I understand the attention to detail when it comes to these skins

also anyone else notice the makeshift crucifix hanging on the night mother's hip?

[faint nimbus]

Can someone tell me her description I can’t read it anymore

[granite shard]

the weird sister's girlfriend 🙏

[faint nimbus]

Peak

[spiral mica]

She's in league with Weird sister, and by extension Doctor John and Felis.

I forgot what that faction's particular name was but it's basically the Voodoo community.

Sinclaire is also a very Scottish last name oddly enough so I wonder what the relation is there if there is any to begin with.

[granite shard]

well

probably slavery

[faint nimbus]

Yeah….

[spiral mica]

perhaps I wonder what year she was born though because the United Kingdom outlawed slavery before the United States did and she looks quite young to be born before the year 1862 which is the year the United States passed the 13th Amendment. 1834 is the year slavery was outlawed in the United Kingdom.

[granite shard]

there were slave owners of scottish decent in the united states

[faint nimbus]

There’s a lot of explanations maybe she’s Jamaican and that’s why she has a UK name or maybe there was a plantation owner named Sinclair very possible

[granite shard]

and she wasn't necessarily born into slavery. her parents could have been

[faint nimbus]

I think the only hunter born into slavery was doctor Jhon

[spiral mica]

Indeed but that still doesn't quite explain why she looks so young for someone who would've been born into slavery before the year 1862.

[granite shard]

it's 1865 not 62

and even if she was born in 1865 right before it was outlawed, she'd only be 31

she could very well be in her early 40s

[spiral mica]

that's a fair point

[faint nimbus]

And even still if her parents where enslaved she would share their name

[spiral mica]

she looks good if she's in her 40s

anyways how do you guys feel about the little red riding hood huntress?

[granite shard]

negative

[spiral mica]

personally I think she's cool but I know people here have a strong opinion about fictitious fairy tale characters like Santa Claus and Dracula being in Hunt.

And there are many mythological and folktale references across many different hunters

She's definitely not my favorite hunter by any means but she does look pretty cool

I'll admit though I did not expect a little red riding hood reference in hunt from the trailer. I thought this new wolf girl was gonna be more like the Frisk family but I guess in a sense she is still technically a wolf hunter of sorts.

[granite shard]

it's just uninspired and continuing to inch across the line of hunt

like they could have done a red riding hood inspired hunter without just going "she is literally her. that's the fairy tale character. wow it's little red riding hood as a hunter"

[spiral mica]

I agree I think from a writer's standpoint the character could've been done a bit better. My personal take on her would've been something like "a little girl, who was inspired by the little red riding hood fairy tale and grew up to take that love and admiration for the fictitious character into the hunt with her."

as opposed to the hunter actually being little red riding hood herself

[warm quartz]

I hate to ask, but isn't weird sister white?

[granite shard]

That impacts things how?

Her ethnicity isn’t really stated. She seems to have a pale complexion but she could be mixed race

[magic basin]

I think she's fine. She's certainly more fitting imo than someone like plague doctor or the new Kendo guy.
Using actual folk lore from the time as inspiration for new Hunters is a good idea. And as long as the Egyptian Land of the Dead is factual in the game might as well let the Grimm tales be real too. Since they're basically Germanic mythology strained through time anyway.

[spiral mica]

Pretty sure she's of color actually and regardless it never mentions she was a slave.

Only Doctor John is mentioned to have been a slave from Senegal.

[spiral mica]

I tend to agree

I also don't have any issue with stuff like Plague doctors or Voodoo doctors but I think some red cross hunters like a nurse or physician and something like an Army Medic or Navy Corpsman would be cool to see at some point.

[noble scarab]

There’s a lot of unexplored archetypes, we don’t have a miner yet, despite having 2 mines across maps

[rare dirge]

Never crossed my mind that we didn’t have one of those yet I fully agree I think we need one of those

[magic basin]

Historical fiction should remember that it is historical from time to time. I agree.

[raw gust]

I complain about some of the hunters they added but honestly I would play a Yosemite Sam rip off constantly

[spiral mica]

Need a hunter with a stethoscope around his neck

Big doctor

[raw gust]

Especially if he came with matched Pair uppercuts or trueshots

[real cedar]

Something interesting I caught. Idk if these graves that make up the outer walls of Healing Waters always had inscriptions or if they were added just recently, but one of them has a death date of 1896. You can view that as either an oversight in the timeline, OR that Ishim Gird has continued serving Stillwater even while Corruption reigns.

[raw gust]

Is that simultaneously a Dexter and RDR2 reference?

[real cedar]

I'd consider it a reference if it had actually stuck to one or the other. I. Morgan son of A.Morgan, or D. Morgan son of L. Moser

[spiral mica]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-arthur-morgan-rdr2-pullix-gif-27448963

[spiral mica]

As far as I can tell those inscriptions have always been at healing waters but they could've made them more visible

[faint nimbus]

I’m confused and a little disappointed silver spur isn’t one of the event boosted hunters

Normally recent dlc’s are relevant only for that event

like the turncoat was only ever acknowledged in traitors moon and never again

[zenith perch]

what do you guys think of the Night Mother

[spiral mica]

we discussed it a bit earlier she's pretty cool

[zenith perch]

thinking of buying her

[granite shard]

I like her a lot

Best of this batch’s hunters

[spiral mica]

she reminds me a bit of Tia Dalma from Pirates of the Caribbean

[zenith perch]

im missed the voodoo roots from old hunt

[faint nimbus]

I will always enjoy voodoo hunters in this game

I’m glad that they haven’t abandoned them with the new move to the mountains

[spiral mica]

I'm curious about what her backstory could be, what her connection is to Weird Sister, Doctor John etc and why she has a crucifix

oddly enough Bone Doctor is not boosted this event even though Weird sister, Felis and Night mother is.

[granite shard]

Well seeing as weird sister is referred to as her dear

The implication there is romantic

[faint nimbus]

I’ve been trying to read up on what it is my guess right now is that she’s a practitioner of vodou so she could be Haitian but that’s a working theory

[spiral mica]

could also mean they're just really good friends or actual sisters

If Night mother was a slave at one point it'd be cool if Weird sister somehow helped her gain her freedom.

[faint nimbus]

I wouldn’t mind if weird sister and night mother become the next lulu and sofia since we haven’t heard a lot from weird sister in the lore

[spiral mica]

Felis also has a habit of rescuing people

[granite shard]

We also had Hail Mary and the witch hunter get confirmed… and immediately broken up 😂😂

But yeah I’d like to see more abt weird sister

[faint nimbus]

Bayou dating simulator

New form of lore is a visual novel

[spiral mica]

Mountain man too, they subtly dropped some lore with a really good Slate skin and immediately forgot about it

[granite shard]

Honestly a hunt visual novel would be cool

[spiral mica]

Hunt comic when

[zenith perch]

it would be funny if she was Weird Sisters sister

heh

[granite shard]

One of the best works of fiction of all time (umineko when they cry) is a VN

[faint nimbus]

deadlock is doing visual novels for its story and it’s honestly not a bad idea for a story telling device

[spiral mica]

The weird sister's sister

[zenith perch]

the weird sister to Weird Sister

[granite shard]

People meme on visual novels as dating sim slop but they’re just good story vehicles

The addition of music and voice acting really enhances stuff— you don’t even really need a lot of player input features

[spiral mica]

Also whenever I see or hear the name Night mother I immediately think of the Dunmer woman who helped found the Dark brotherhood in Elder scrolls lore.

[granite shard]

Iirc umineko in it’s two point something million words only has one player choice option at the very end lmao

[spiral mica]

funnily enough I've seen people unironically ask for a hunt dating sim

[granite shard]

But like going back to the night mother and weird sister, there’s very little chance the relationship between the two of them isn’t romantic. The use of dear and partners there does have strong implications, esp in a game that’s as queer forward as hunt is

I don’t know if we’ll ever see stuff expanded upon between them seeing as the lore is seemingly dead in the water at this point

[spiral mica]

I can't date Rotjaw because that'd be weird and they immediately killed off Gar after introducing her 😭

guess Hornback or Reptilian is my only option

Hornback would be an awesome spouse. She can sew you unmatched drip

[spiral mica]

funny you mention that because I didn't notice it until 3 matches into the event that there is no story

I think this is the first event without a story too

next they'll delete this channel

[faint nimbus]

The battle pass looks hastily built like it DOSENT look like they intended for there not to be more chapters

I’m gonna cope and just say they ran out of time to record and write all the lore this event so soon after scorched earth

[granite shard]

Hold onto that copium lol

[spiral mica]

I think with a lot of the retextured skins we got this battle pass that this one was definitely put forward a lot quicker than previous ones

[faint nimbus]

But the sad truth is that people probably all voted on the survey to cut lore chapters

[granite shard]

I think we’ll see new battle pass filler junk more quickly than lore chapters

And then they’re gonna moan abt the new filler

Bc they don’t understand battle passes run on filler content

[faint nimbus]

lore fans are starving right now, no gun book no monstruvm no lore chapters

[spiral mica]

It's entirely possible they're cutting event stories from the game entirely because they've already taken away the books

this could be the end of detailed lore in hunt

[granite shard]

It’s just a shame man

Like there’s so much work that went into the lore

Was it perfect? No but it was fun and enjoyable to speculate about

And so them just nuking it and being radio silent abt the future feels bad

[spiral mica]

People have mentioned to me that there was a canceled tv series too

[faint nimbus]

I guess we’ll just have to wait until the mid season survey to see if they have anything to say about it

[faint nimbus]

Tv series never got off the ground really, they gave the rights to a small upcoming streaming service and they didn’t do anything with it so the rights expired

[spiral mica]

That's a shame

I'm sure it would've been a really good show

[faint nimbus]

Tbh wasn’t entirely thrilled because I’m not so sure a live action hunt show would work well

[spiral mica]

imagine if they did something like the Fallout TV show following a singular or group of hunters

[granite shard]

It would need Amazon money for that

Not startup streaming service

[faint nimbus]

hunt is very idk how to say it but disjointed and athereal at times a tv show would have a hard time capturing the same feeling as what’s described

[spiral mica]

I think when it comes to the costume and makeup department there is some really great potential for hunt. We have some very talented cosplayers so imagine what people could do if they had a solid budget.

[faint nimbus]

I still think the pre rendered cinematics do a good enough job at telling hunts story’s

And crytek have even said if they do anything like a show in the future it would be of their own volition

[spiral mica]

I just hope they decide to continue with the focus on lore in hunt because it really did interest me. I love the whole "what if alternative history" genre

[faint nimbus]

I will die on the hill that of all historical fantasy games hunt does its magic the best

[granite shard]

Yeah agreed, it has a pretty grounded setup there

[faint nimbus]

I also like that with all the tie ins to real world religions and beliefs there no one side is right at least the way I see it, in hunt everyone’s belief system is real enough

I know there’s a lot of Christian undertones but all the other stuff like the native hunters the voodoo hunters etc it DOSENT downplay them

That’s what makes hunt feel grounded and real to me like it’s a bigger world

[spiral mica]

I love it when media ties in real religious symbolism and belief into fantasy. You see it in stuff like Elder scrolls and Warhammer 40k all the time.

Hunt even takes it a step further because it isn't just purely fantasy but also grounded with real world historical reference

and there's so many examples of it in Hunt too it's not just a subtle undertone

[high stone]

I’ll probably die on the hill of Hunt not being an “alt-reality” what if story, more just…fiction. Not sure most modern days film makers would do it well though, even the cinematics feel like they’re skewed toward teen pg-13 horror

[spiral mica]

it is more fantasy than fiction compared to other alt realities in media

I think Hunt kind of falls more in line with stuff like Attack on titan. It's heavy fictional entertainment that reflects the real world in a very realistic manner and it borrows aspects from history to achieve that end.

actual alternate history would be stuff like that one novel that tells the story of what if Amelia Earhart survived the crash, completed her journey around the world and went onto battle the Luftwaffe above London during the Battle of Britain in 1939.

I can't for the life of me remember the title of that book but at one point I did own it and it's a good read.

[real cedar]

I think Hunt is squarely in historical fiction but not the alt-history genre. AoT dreams up an entire different world with separate history and geography. Hunt is very direct in being exactly 1895/96 and exactly in Louisiana and Colorado. The weight of being live service definitely bends it but the core story is so entwined with irl history that it's hard to compare it to entirely fictional series

[spiral mica]

Yeah I'm more so just trying to needlessly compare the world of Hunt to something that is equally very fictional in nature but in all honesty Hunt is a very standalone unique piece of media and there isn't much to compare it to anyways. It's like trying to compare For honor with something like Chivalry. Like, yeah they're both medieval styled fighting games but everything else from the layout to the basic formula of them is completely different.

I do however, believe that Hunt has expanded a bit on the idea that it was strictly focused in 1985 Louisiana. If you had come to me back in 2020 when the game really started gathering some popularity and told that we'd eventually have a map setting in the state of Colorado with the year progressed to 1896 I probably would've laughed at the idea, but now here we are with exactly that. Also don't quote me on this but I've heard the developers have confirmed that at some point they do want to make a 5th map and ideally someplace much colder. I think because of the live service nature of the game it's able to gradually progress to a certain point and time while simultaneously expanding on the things we get to see and the places we're able to go to. Games like Elder scrolls online have also done this with initially having the game feature a very specific setting, date and time but expanded it's own horizons over time through the use of dlc and chapters.

[high stone]

Stand alone on the video game media stage maybe…I liked it because it was getting away from the tripe of games and game culture. It seemed like a really great take on the scifi/horror of that era too (with some 20th Century hindsight). Like H.G. Wells meets H.P. Lovecraft.

[zenith perch]

You guys think that the Omen pact is a natural evolution of the Demented pact? With Omen pact weaponizing the Corruption?

[spiral mica]

Judging by their presentation I think the Omen pact is more like Lunar or Grounded but their intentions are unclear because there is no event story this time around.

Now I'm not sure if it counts as "weaponizing the corruption" as you say but every pact has the traits and what immediately comes to mind is how the Sculptor seemingly blesses those hunters, even if those hunters are actively working against it.

Take death pact, they had witness. grounded had shadow, remedy and shadow leap. These traits are basically supernatural superpowers and correct me if I'm wrong but to me that would count as weaponizing the corruption in a way.

[granite shard]

shadow leap is canonically utilizing the land of the dead

not the corruption

witness is also likely more due to the death pact's deal with Death/the lord of the dead

[spiral mica]

Doesn't the land of the dead have some sort of primordial connection to the corruption though?

[real dove]

The corruption comes from the Sculptor

[granite shard]

the land of the dead is the land of the dead, it's been seemingly impacted by the sculptor but it doesn't seem to have an innate corruption

[spiral mica]

So the same reason that Louisiana and Colorado have been impacted by the Sculptor it's the same for the land of the dead?

[granite shard]

probably

it doesn't really like go into detail on how any of this stuff works bc none of the characters really know

[real dove]

colorado is caused (likely) by them bringing the bounties there and preforming experiments. But we don't really know

Louisiana's start is unknown

[noble scarab]

There was the infected mosquito too

[real dove]

mosquitoes travel like 100m

[noble scarab]

Tell that to crytek who had one travel from the bayou to Colorado

[real dove]

i think draggin bounties from the bosses and such would be more inpactful

but that's just me

[noble scarab]

They were kinda creating corruption by shoving the bounties into the earth

There’s probably crazy flesh/insect caverns down there where those oil rigs are

[real dove]

if we get lore someday they says "it was a mosquito" i will agree but until then, the mosquito meant nothing except maybe that she was alive again since moswuitos dont care about dead stuff

prolly

(imo, to me)

[noble scarab]

I think the mosquito is just a symptom, or maybe showing that the corruption can spread

But it probably needs another source to fully manifest

[real dove]

dunno. imo the corruption in colorado was the bounties

but since we have no lore

who knows!

[noble scarab]

I think it’s ok they skipped this go round, not sure how they could’ve made mr pumpkin head make sense

The dark sight info would be good to know tho

[granite shard]

tbf they don't even need to work pumpkin guy into the story seeing as the event storyline last time had nothing to do w the BP hunters

[noble scarab]

That’s something else they shouldn’t do, the BP hunter should be relevant

[real cedar]

Going deeper into what exactly an avatar of dark sight is, how some of the other hunters know him, who flocked to him and who opposes him, those would all be good to know.
Like what's The Night Mother's relationship? The trailer says she knows his true name and the video makes it seem like she was there for his beginnings - if the bio is being literal and he straight up came out of the fields.

[noble scarab]

I don’t think the came directly from the ground, we haven’t really seen anything like that

[real cedar]

Just this one shot and the line "Harvest rises from wormy fields of rotten gourds to feast on daylight" is what makes me think of it

Like what's she doing here?

[noble scarab]

Unless he was dead and was reborn as harvest

Which that might be what she’s doing there

Maybe she knows how to bring people back like dr John

[real dove]

she is weird sis's gf

so

could be

[real cedar]

Could be, I'm not too familiar with Hoodoo

[noble scarab]

The manifestation of the concept of harvest would be kinda cool, but that’s not what they went for

[spiral mica]

This is probably the cause

But yeah back to the original question, nothing strikes me as Omen pact being similar to the Demented pact. Technically if you consider the usage of beetles every hunter can weaponize the corruption.

[real cedar]

The aesthetics of Harvest is the main thing that makes me think of a Demented connection

The Demented lost their way after Desolation so it's possible some split off to follow Omens in their own idea of how to pursue Corruption.

None of the event boosted hunters are Demented though except the Halloween skin Scarecrow so it's probably not true

[brazen root]

Clearly, it was both! The corpse and bounty rituals in Colorado started the corruption there, the corruption attracted mosquitoes carrying the grunt virus!

(Which mosquito?)

[zenith perch]

The weaponizing corruption comes from the event details page. Says that they want to inflict and spread pain through corruption or someone very similar

[spiral mica]

That and I just don't see the Night mother having a friendly relation towards Demented pact and who I'm pretty sure belongs to the Omen pact.

But because we can't see exactly which hunter belongs to which pact anymore its really hard to tell

[real cedar]

The epilogue of Tide of Desolation said this:
A mosquito lands on a woman's cheek. It drinks her blood, tastes something feral roiling in its murk. She tries to crush it, misses. The spores infect the insect's mind - set it flying north - toward a shadow beginning to bloom.
and the last chapter of ToD had a line about a mosquito biting Drowned Rat.

[spiral mica]

Like, Carter was boosted last event but which of the pacts could he have possibly belonged to? I simply don't know. It's a possibility that some of these boosted hunters don't even belong to a pact and are just simply boosted for the event.

[zenith perch]

Carter is demented obviously

[brazen root]

Ah so we're just dealing with a mild retcon of how the corruption spread as they hadn't come up with the whole preston making more oil at any cost plot point yet

Ah no wait

toward a shadow beginning to bloom

[real dove]

shadow beginning to bloom--- so it had already started before the squito

[brazen root]

Yeah I'm totally right about the mosquito being drawn to the new corruption and probably bringing some funky viruses or fungi or something

I'm a genius, after all

[real dove]

if only we had lore

that helped confim this

I need to leave this poor dead horse alone

[zenith perch]

The Sculptor seeing a oil tycoon making a big fucky wucky in Colorado

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[brazen root]

The sculptor probably whispered in his dreams that he would promise to give him plenty of oil if he just shoved some corpses into holes

[real cedar]

The Sculptor doesn't even need to influence people, a lot of these guys just naturally want to fuck with bounty tokens for no good reason.
Like Mr. Chary experimenting on Ochenkov's Widow

Makes you wonder what other weird stuff the other Benefactors are doing with their other bounty stashes

[zenith perch]

Preston said his friends are swallowing goat eyes

[real dove]

eyeball boss when

shit what is the dnd monster

[zenith perch]

BE AFRAID

[real dove]

or that

realistic angel boss in hunt when

we have demon from hell

[brazen root]

Hold the phone

[real dove]

give us corrupted angel

people want a flying boss after all

[brazen root]

Detective arriving on the scene here

Let's review the evidence

[noble scarab]

They mention these industry barons worshipping the sculptor as well

[zenith perch]

40k Chaos in Hunt when

[zenith perch]

Remember a skit about that

Be not afraid!
frightened screaming
I said be not afraid!
more frightened screaming

[real dove]

AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/angel-gif-21455925

[zenith perch]

I forgot which type of angel it was

The one with the rings and eyes

The ones we always think about are Powers

[real dove]

seraphim? i dont know my angels

[brazen root]

Bounty tokens, am i hallucinating or remembering right about them being some sort of communication device for the sculptor? Where have i gotten that from?

[real dove]

unknown

[zenith perch]

Normal looking with 6 wings

[real dove]

I have no memory of this

[real cedar]

It came to you in a dream

[brazen root]

Clearly

[zenith perch]

They're God's choir

[real dove]

Ophanim

ring and eyes

[brazen root]

The sculptor told it to me through a bounty token

[real dove]

(i googled it)

I actually really dont want Hunt to pull a supernatural and go down the religion stuff

Keep it to monsters

[zenith perch]

It came to you from a messenger

[real dove]

(Googliel)

[zenith perch]

Heh

[spiral mica]

This is one sound trap you can't silence 🔪 🚫 🐴

[spiral mica]

Laughed at this

[zenith perch]

[alpine ferry]

Where is the Lonely Howl and the Penitent from?

[granite shard]

lonely howl's from kansas

[alpine ferry]

hm, okay

what about the Penitent?

[granite shard]

I don't know if he has a hometown stated

[real cedar]

Penitent is from Cincinnati, Ohio. The church he came from was directly named; St. Francis Seraph Church, established 1859.

[granite shard]

oh sick I didn't know that was a real church

[raw gust]

In Ohio, he was considered quite normal

[zenith perch]

Ohio doesn't need the sculptors influence to be a hellscape

[spiral mica]

I still don't know what the deal was between Lonely howl and Frau Perchta and then somewhere along the road Lonely howl ended up fighting alongside Felis in Desolation's Wake.

Now I guess he's a Primal hunter and his parents are still looking for him in Colorado maybe?

[noble scarab]

Option 1, the wolf family found their son with the help of Perchta, they made up, now all of them are off doing their own thing
Option 2, the wolf family failed to find him, now he’s just doing his own thing
Option 3, perchta murdered the parents for some reason, now wolf boy is off by himself
Option 4 crytek forgot everything and is gonna retcon them all

[spiral mica]

Option 4 definitely

okay but jokes aside I'm guessing it's sort of a combination of the first 3

[granite shard]

W the devil’s moon blog post abt dire/luna wolf seeking out lonely howl to either bring him back into the fold or kill him

I think the fact that he’s alive and had also been in the grounded pact in Devil’s moon gives the implication that they made up

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/devil-s-moon-dusk-cries-perchta-while-dawn-whispers

[spiral mica]

If I'm remembering correctly only Dire and Luna were pledged to grounded and boosted during devil's moon but I could be wrong

Kind of referencing what Tib said earlier here but because I really don't have a good grasp on the whole wolf family story here I'd assume the best case scenario is that Perchta helped Dire and Luna get on the right track to finding their son but didn't reveal Lonely howl's exact position to avoid his potential death and during this time Lonely howl is getting acquainted with Felis and that's how he ended up in the Primal pact, with Howl, Felis and the rest of the Primal pact eventually in Colorado since it's confirmed in Desolation's Wake story that they were all making their way to Colorado. This would also explain why Dire and Luna might've traveled to Colorado as well, the idea that they're still searching for their son and that Perchta being apart of the search was just a minor stepping stone in the grand scheme of things. So basically my assumption is that Dire and Luna are still on the hunt for their son in Colorado. At least that's how would've tied everything together if I was writing the story.

[high stone]

New Rainbow Six event got a Wolf Head person, too….also some guy who looks suspiciously close to Son of Gunpowder or whatever he’s called

[spiral mica]

Images?

[sinful warren]

That fenrir skin is ugly af

(The Wolf head)

[spiral mica]

yikes

[pallid hollow]

I have a question

[real cedar]

Shoot

[pallid hollow]

Why does the horses and cow just lay on the ground, what’s the lore behind this?

[real cedar]

The cows are starved and sickly, the horses look a bit better but are similarly just broken down and dying I suppose.

[spiral mica]

Likely residents were in a rush to evacuate Louisiana and Colorado as soon as possible when the corruption started

Some of those horses and cattle were injured along the trip maybe?

And they would have to leave them

[real cedar]

The reason there's so many of them just around is potentially mentioned in one Hellhound mastery, where an SPCA near New Orleans had its barn doors opened and all the animals fled

The Springfield 1866 Mastery implies that horses aren't exactly immune to corruption, but they don't turn, instead they just get sick

[spiral mica]

Imagine a horse boss that would be cool

[pallid hollow]

Okay thanks for lore behind that, I’m was thinking that hunt definitely needs some horses that kinda walking around stuff or maybe even ride?

[spiral mica]

It would make sense lorewise but I don't see it in actual gameplay

It's the same idea with stuff like blowing out walls or buildings with dynamite or having stationary Gatling or Maxim machine guns.

[subtle owl]

So, why do AI not trigger noise traps? I understand for gameplay reasons, but the less intelligent noise traps (chickens, dogs) that are territorial, and not asking for help like the horses, or cows, why do they not freak out at the grunts and such? Why do grunts, who are bloodthirsty gobblers, not attack them or try to break in?

I understand they might be used to the grunts and such? But the grunts seem much too mellow with animald

animals*

Another question, water devils, stated in lore to attack anything that moves in water (if im not mistaken) no longer attack grunts and such that enter water? (I recall them doing that before?)

why?

[granite shard]

Gameplay

[lucid anvil]

Most likely because they are affected by the corruption, I would assume. I’m not 100% on water devil lore. Grunts and meatheads don’t attack each other for example

[lucid anvil]

And I can’t speak for the crows and such, but I would assume the grunts only go after dead horses. We see them nibbling on horses quite often. As for why they don’t attack the living ones.. eh?

[noble scarab]

I assume they would, it’s just a gameplay thing that they don’t.

[magic basin]

Surefoot

[amber harbor]

Immolators were supposed to attack other AI too, but I guess that was just in the trailer

[subtle owl]

yeah the lore said that too, they were hyper aggressive right

[amber harbor]

I'm guessing they can't have AI attacking anything other than players

Spaghetti

[subtle owl]

true true

[amber harbor]

Or maybe if they attacked AI genocide would happen

[subtle owl]

True hahaha, that'd be really funny if anything else

[spiral mica]

turns you into a Centaur when you have the perk

imagine if you could run with your bow drawn

https://tenor.com/view/centaur-harry-potter-theo-gif-20727215

[magic basin]

Rework it to just put a horse head on the spider so it matches the art

Just sticking out of the top like a periscope

[spiral mica]

put a horse head on butcher

[magic basin]

And the assassin too, so he doesn't have fomo

[warm quartz]

Was Reptilian released before or after DeSalle?

[granite shard]

After

I believe

Yeah, like two months after

[warm quartz]

Yeah, it has DeSalle bits in the trailer

[spiral mica]

I miss DeSalle

[noble scarab]

Lawson too.

[acoustic whale]

any idea where they are heading with the story now or is it just character lore with no focus on the main story/event?

[native marlin]

no :)

[real cedar]

The main story has two branches atm.

1. What Lynch is doing inside the corruption as she gains power and transforms herself
2. What the Hunters discover about the Benefactors and the new monster they've summoned

[warm quartz]

I feel like we will never hear about benefactors again

[granite shard]

I think the benefactor stuff will depend on whether or not we get main story movement from here on out

I think what we’re getting from here on out is just gonna be DLC blurbs

[spiral mica]

At this point I'll just be happy if we get any focus on any story elements

[green pollen]

Legit the story would be so heat if it focused more on the community and the group of hunters I’m going into the corruption rather then individual people. I think individuals are fine but I wish we (the hunters), we’re included and given a bit more depth, as in how the hunters are affected by current events rather than just 7 people

[granite shard]

Idk I really prefer the focus on people

Like it shows the human element of things which I think is so key

[zealous palm]

Anyone else feels like Mother Midnight might be inspired by Marie Laveau?

[spiral mica]

I get more Tia Dalma vibes from Night mother

[real cedar]

It's very likely since Marie Laveau is directly mentioned in the Hunt lore. One old blogpost even says that Weird Sister has some connection with her.

Ohh man

That weird sister connection to Marie Laveau has me thinking now

Having another crack theory:
At one point Lynch is admonishing Huff for getting involved with Laveau cause she's one of Lynch's people, another Hayden Collins bit has her experimenting with explosives, and lastly she's the inventor of the Hive bomb. With the thin connection between Laveau and this event, what if the Pact of Omens is getting some of their new contraptions from Lynch?

The inoculation that grants dark sight was her design. Even though dark sight existed before her, there's enough there to suggest she could invent new ways of working with it.

The Pact of Omens could be the avenue she uses to get reintroduced to the narrative, having a pact on her side that Death and Lawful (or some other pact) fight against

[granite shard]

A lynch loyalist pact would be interesting

[spiral mica]

I feel like Drowned pact kinda fits that concept already. Though, they are unwilling participants.

I guess infernal pact are Chary loyalists but you've got members like Black coat and Skinflint which undoubtedly are only in it for the money and not that they actually revere or worship Chary like the God he sees himself as.

[granite shard]

The drowned are such a specific thing that I’d hesitate to call them lynch loyalists. Like what I’m picturing is much more like what the infernal pact was

They might not fully believe in what lynch is doing but they’re standing by her 100% and helping her out w her goals

The drowned pact more just tricked by her

[spiral mica]

Yeah, I view the Drowned pact as definitely being the most unusual out of the pacts because it's not like an organized group of hunters or an established faction but rather just 4 people being used as instruments in a supernatural war and like I said you could say many other hunters are in a similar situation just not to the degree that the Drowned pact are in.

You've also got individuals like Mary Ochenkov who were also tricked into helping against their will but that example ties into infernal pact again.

[zenith perch]

Since Scarecrow was demented and now he's omen pact I still kinda think that omen is tied with the demented in some ways

Well, we don't know for sure he's omen

But out of the three I think that's the most obvious one

[spiral mica]

I feel like some pacts are also just way too similar to each other like wilderness and grounded essentially have the same goals but the setting is a different environment. Both pacts push to preserve and protect nature from corruption but their choice in land is merely different. One chooses the Bayou and the other chooses the mountains.

[faint nimbus]

I feel like omen pact is just a blanket of crazy and occult hunters like somehow both night seer and the prescient are in the same pact

since there’s no for the new pact we don’t really know anything about how it formed or what’s really going on

Like why are the smugglers pact back at all other than gameplay purpose. There’s no Delphine so there’s no treasure and I feel like the piratey vibe of the smugglers is gone now that they’re in the mountains

[spiral mica]

Omen pact probably has ties to Doctor John's voodoo community of hunters because of Night mother. I also highly doubt that Omens has anything to do with the Demented despite Scarecrow being Omen. Which I don't think any event boosted hunters are even specifically tied to certain pacts anymore? Carter was boosted in the last event but none of those pacts strike me as belonging to Carter and then you had hunters like Deckhand and Hornback belonging to Drowned in tide of desolation but Hornback belongs to Primal and Deckhand is a smuggler.

[real cedar]

I don't think Scarecrow is Omen pact, he's just a halloween skin

[spiral mica]

I simply think Scarecrow is a boosted hunter this event because Halloween yeah

[faint nimbus]

I feel like he fits omen pact tho more than the other two

There are no set pacts but there’s defiantly ones that hunters feel like they are more in line with

[spiral mica]

He's just a lunatic that was bullied for stealing. Same way Gouge is probably Demented for being imprisoned and freed by Felis.

Centipede used to be Demented but defected to Primal after Felis saved her from the Lawful's slaughter. It's possible after being freed by Felis, Gouge also decided to align himself with the Primal.

There's also the possibility that Scarecrow is dead after the Infernal's assault on the Stillwater slaughterhouse in the tide of corruption story.

[faint nimbus]

I still think the idea of killing off hunters is weird

[real cedar]

I think it's very necessary. We've got something like 120+ different hunters each with their own goals to pursue, and each event showcases like 12 of them at most, nearly always ignoring who they are in favor of them working on the event's plot. Death is the only closure a lot of these guys are ever going to get to their stories. Event hunters especially, they get forgotten immediately after their time is up.

[zealous palm]

Wait, Scarecrow's Omen now?

What happened?

[zenith perch]

That's ny best guess cause he's boosted

[real cedar]

None of the current event boosted hunters are tied to pacts, at best we can make assumptions based on their themes and lore.
Like Black Coat is obviously Smugglers and Iron Bark is obviously Wilderness, but what about Luz Mala? Could be Omens, could be Wilderness. Is Hex Breaker Omens? He's described as hating the sloppy job the AHA did in Louisiana, would he really start weaponizing Corruption? Is he temporarily aligned with Wilderness cause they want to destroy corruption?
What about Captain Laffite? He's beyond dead, his soul burned up with the Delphine or some wild shit.

[spiral mica]

I just assume the Demented have lost a lot of members considering the last few event stories have had them getting opposed by everyone. Infernal pact wiped the floor with them at the slaughterhouse siege, Lawful pact was literally hunting them down and slaughtering them mercilessly. Pacts like grounded and wilderness are no friends to them because they spread corruption and its likely that Primal isn't friendly with them either because Centipede had every opportunity to just go back to them but she chose to stay with the Primal.

Oh yeah and I almost forgot they lost a ton of people in the land of the dead and probably more people during scorched earth because of lawful and wilderness still opposing them.

[zealous palm]

Oh, okay. That makes more sense x3 I assumed Scarecrow got the boost cause thematic with Halloween

[faint nimbus]

Demented stocks are just down

[spiral mica]

Needless to say Demented pact got cooked

[real cedar]

Yeah that's my assumption too, along with Headsman and Mama Maye

[faint nimbus]

I wonder if there’s any end goal to the faction wars like in lore is anyone gonna win? Cause it seems like an infinite stalemate of new factions

This is precisely why we need the horse faction

[spiral mica]

Didn't Iron bark betray Primal for Lawful? I guess he could've moved onto Wilderness because of the cooperation between their two pacts in scorched earth. Luz Mala was lunar at one point and Black coat was Infernal at one point and could be dead. Hex breaker could be lawful because Witch hunter was lawful in desolation's wake. Captain Laffite is most definitely dead.

I'm definitely under the impression that many of this event's boosted hunters are just simply boosted for the event and don't have any major lore implications and that can only be reinforced by the fact that we don't have an event story to really tell us anything that's going on unfortunately.

[granite shard]

Tbh at this point I feel like they’re just doing aesthetics for pact boosts

[faint nimbus]

yeah

[granite shard]

Like theres no actual narrative happening at the moment

[spiral mica]

It's so disappointing

[faint nimbus]

There’s only fanfic at this point so anything’s real

If there’s no lore anything can hatplen

[granite shard]

It’s just such a shame bc I think harvest is goofy but a new conflict starting from hunters weaponizing dark sight is so interesting

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[spiral mica]

That's fine I like writing and typing 😂😊

[faint nimbus]

at this point I’m gonna write my own event narrative

[granite shard]

Do it tbh

I’ve been wanting to write hunt fics but there’s such a lack of audience

[faint nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-bean-dixon-dr-coffee-futurama-themepark-bender-gif-25160461

[granite shard]

Like yea I can just write for myself but I like getting comments and kudos on ao3 😂😂😂

[faint nimbus]

Honestly I’ve been writing a thing for myself for the past couple months about hunt going to Hawaii

idk i watched the lighthouse and have been seeing a lot of vintage photos of Hawaii and thought it was a neat idea

[granite shard]

Nice

[faint nimbus]

I’m never gonna do anything with this writing but it’s good creative exercise

[granite shard]

My main fic thoughts have been doing like. Expanded stories on the two event trilogies

[faint nimbus]

I’m so tired of essays I need to write something unique

[granite shard]

I really love the moon trilogy but it would really benefit by being significantly longer so things can really get expanded upon

Bc in my mind that’s really the big struggle point w hunt— bc they’re pretty limited in word/chapter count, they have to rapid fire the main points

[faint nimbus]

This is precisely why we need more lore devices, hunt comics when?

or just another one of those random lore cinematics in between events like dark sight or bloodlines

[granite shard]

Yeah

Just do what overwatch does and have like fifteen page short stories that expand on things

Like they just released a super unexpected story yesterday that has the community on fire

[warm quartz]

Overwatch comics have a long history of setting it's commynity on fire

And overwatch animations

I think it depends on the community

[granite shard]

I’m of the firm belief that if hunt marketed its lore more, people would flock to it more

Like the issue is that nobody really knew what was going on w the book of weapons and gamers hate that battle passes require padding

Like people are deluded if they think that the next full length event won’t have those lore levels replaced a new sort of filler

Like even now, sure there’s fewer levels in the BP but also there’s point sources were nerfed and there’s less time to complete the event

[real cedar]

Everything comes back to communication in the end, Crytek's biggest weakness by far

[granite shard]

Yeah

Like I think what people didn’t understand was the fact that hunt’s BP doesn’t have the usual filler that things like apex and overwatch’s BP have— sprays, voice lines, emotes, victory poses, etc

It was almost all either direct gameplay content, or more valuable cosmetic content (high quality skins)

Now we’re getting lesser quality skins added into the mix to bulk stuff out

[noble scarab]

Blatant battle pass padding aside, I don’t know why they wouldn’t be willing to have chapters unlock alongside other rewards on the same tier

[granite shard]

Yeah like just put a weapon crate or something

It’s like the library— it wasn’t perfect but straight removing it wasn’t the call

[real cedar]

Or chop down the extra BBs into 40 each and hand them out alongside the chapters

[granite shard]

Yeah!

It just feels so weird to me that the first call for the narrative is nuke it

[noble scarab]

The standard crytek response to something being disliked is to nuke it from orbit

[granite shard]

You’re not wrong

The balancing is either 0 or 11

Either neuter it completely or make it stupid strong

[noble scarab]

The flash bomb, lore, the krag (in the opposite direction)

The spear

[granite shard]

Yup

Spear went from stupid strong to now being basically useless

Burning

[noble scarab]

The katana

I’m glad the spear got nerfed, I like to use the other throwables

Flares too

[granite shard]

My thing w the spear is I think it could have had a great spot as a PvE wrecker

[noble scarab]

The whole thing with flares being able to burn bodies limits your load out choices. You basically are obligated to take them

[granite shard]

But it’s not even really worth it at this point, I’d rather take flares

[noble scarab]

I think the big melees should be pve focused, like the axe and hammer

[granite shard]

Idk if it would just be a nightmare to code, but let the melee tools do more damage to AI or something